Bud Crawford: My hand will be raised on July 29th, legacy, fight of the year vs Spence

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/pivot or through my promo code PIVOT Stakes are high, talks are quieted and now it comes down to the two men in the ring Saturday night in Las Vegas! Ahead of the most anticipated boxing match of the year this Saturday July 29th on Showtime Pay Per View fight against Errol Spence Jr in Las Vegas, Bud Crawford sat down with to talk about directing his childhood anger into boxing and being an underdog his entire life. Tough times and close calls are nothing new to the WBO welterweight Champ, who after being shot in the head early in his pro career, said the moment changed his life and redirected the course of his path. It was also the moment he realized he needed to reevaluate his circle and change his surroundings before he jeopardized his future. After being doubted his entire life, Bud makes it clear that he will never let the politics of boxing affect the belief in himself or his will to continue to compete. With a record of 39-0 and 30 KO’s, Bud can still hear the voices of doubters despite remaining victorious. Voices of which Bud has learned to tune out in preparation for the biggest fight of his life. Bud reassures Ryan, Fred, and Channing that he has much respect for Errol Spence Jr. however he’s confident he will leave undefeated. Crawford is dialed in on focusing on himself and letting his work speak for itself, With family and fatherhood his number one priority, proving himself to be the best in the sport is still at the forefront of Crawford’s mind. Tune in this Saturday and don’t miss the Showtime PPV title bout that everyone has been waiting for…Crawford Vs Spence!! Gambling Problem? Call1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (CO/IL/IN/LA/MD/MI/NJ/OH/PA/TN/WV/WY), (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA), Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), visit OPGR.org (OR). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MA/MI/MD/NJ/NY/OH/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. Void in NH/OR/ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. $150 issued as bonus bets that expire 7 days (168 hours) after being awarded. See terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/mmaterms. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Ends 8/20/23 at 11:59PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:31Ryan Clark?

  Chan, he got that Afro too, though, Chan. He got that same Afro.

• 0:36Channing Crowder?

  He got the Malcolm X going.

• 0:39Ryan Clark?

  He got the same Afro.

• 0:42Channing Crowder?

  Bringing the troops. What's up, bro, man?

• 0:44Ryan Clark?

  You don't walk like you can't fight. Hey, you don't walk like you can't.

• 0:49Channing Crowder?

  I mean, I walk in places confident. I know you walk in places stupid confident. I too.

• 0:56Ryan Clark?

  Man, recently, recently, we ran up on one of our homeboys. He had a bodyguard. We got all the way up on him. And then when we got up on him, we hit him like this. And then the bodyguard walked up and was way too late. And look at Chan saying, chill out, man.

• 1:11Channing Crowder?

  Straighten his arm, bro. You good. Yeah, you good. You can't do nothing like that.

• 1:16Ryan Clark?

  You know, they say they don't believe in birth control in Omaha, man.

• 1:19Speaker 04

  Shit, yeah. I just don't, you know, man.

• 1:24Channing Crowder?

  Took seven?

• 1:26Speaker 04

  Seven.

• 1:27Channing Crowder?

  That's cool.

• 1:28Speaker 04

  Six and one.

• 1:30Channing Crowder?

  Damn.

• 1:31Ryan Clark?

  But you got six boys, though. That's cool.

• 1:32Speaker 04

  No, I'm just saying, six and one.

• 1:34Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 1:35Speaker 04

  Six by one person.

• 1:36Ryan Clark?

  Oh, yeah, I got you. Yeah, six and one.

• 1:38Channing Crowder?

  Did you want to have a bunch of kids?

• 1:39Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:40Channing Crowder?

  You always wanted to?

• 1:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I was the only boy. Yes. Hey, Chan, his sisters used to beat him up like your sisters used to beat you up.

• 1:48Channing Crowder?

  I don't talk about it too much because they get mad at me, but I'm 72 and three.

• 1:52Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:52Channing Crowder?

  Two of my losses were to my sister.

• 1:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:54Channing Crowder?

  And one of them, she beat me with the antenna off of an S10.

• 1:58Ryan Clark?

  Man.

• 1:59Channing Crowder?

  Bad on.

• 1:59Ryan Clark?

  Hey, my sisters was rough, man. They was real rough.

• 2:03Fred Taylor?

  And those are all four of the boys right there? Four, well, four? Yeah, four boys, three girls.

• 2:08Ryan Clark?

  Three, that's three of them.

• 2:09Fred Taylor?

  But man, see how they just got in line, bro? He say, sit back there. And they just, my boys, yeah, all over the place.

• 2:15Speaker 04

  Don't get it twisted. They bad.

• 2:18Channing Crowder?

  They don't wash their daddy's hands.

• 2:21Ryan Clark?

  But you know, he chilled too, though. You could tell. When your resume say a certain thing, man, you ain't gotta talk a certain way. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?

• 2:30Speaker 04

  Sometimes you gotta let them know, though. Before you cross that line, you warn them.

• 2:35Ryan Clark?

  You think you, are you as hard as your mom was on you, or no?

• 2:39Speaker 04

  On my, on my kids? Nah.

• 2:41Ryan Clark?

  You ain't like your mom was?

• 2:42Speaker 04

  Nah. By far.

• 2:44Ryan Clark?

  By far?

• 2:45Speaker 04

  By far.

• 2:45Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. She was hell.

• 2:47Speaker 04

  What? She was tough. She was tough. And then I was getting whooped for nothing.

• 2:54Ryan Clark?

  You did something.

• 2:54Speaker 04

  No, that's what she say. I'm gonna whoop you because you gonna do something later.

• 2:58Ryan Clark?

  Hey. You see what Eddie Murphy said, daddy told him, nothing from nothing lead nothing. You gotta do something. Motherfucker punching the mouth.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:31Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the Pivot. We're excited to be here. This is obviously the biggest boxing match that could be made. You know, there are super fights, and there's mega fights, and then there's legacy fights. And the fight between you, Terrence Bud Crawford, and Errol Spence, it's a legacy fight. It's a fight for pound for pound, undisputed champion, for welterweight, undisputed champion. And the reason it's one of those fights is because of what you've accomplished. This is Channing, I'm RC, this is Freddie T-Man, and so we just wanna say thank you for spending some time with us during camp. We are excited about this match, man, but just in understanding your story, but you almost weren't here, bro.

• 4:15Ryan Clark?

  It's a dice game, you're sitting in your car, bullets ring out, and you get shot. Take us back to that moment and how that shaped you moving forward, because you said that changed you.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, it changed me in a lot of ways, cuz I was already a troubled kid at that time. I was already trying to find my way in the world today. But when that...

• 4:43Speaker 04

  Issue happened, it changed me into a dark side. But my uncle, being a pastor, he brought me back over to the bright side, you know, and letting me know that God got a lot in store for me. And it wasn't my time to go, and that was just a warning that you got a lot to live for, and just making things make sense. Cause I was always talented, I was always doing positive things. It was just, I was around the wrong people, the wrong crowd, and hanging out and doing the wrong things. But I was always that person in the gym, but leave the gym. I'm with the homies and chilling and doing things that, you know, I shouldn't have been doing at the time

• 5:28Speaker 04

  because I should have been focusing on my career. But it was like a wake-up call.

• 5:32Channing Crowder?

  It's funny, we were just talking about how bad of a kid you were.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:35Channing Crowder?

  How you was out there knocking dudes out in the alleyway, just having fun, six years old, knocking people's teeth out. Like, where did that come from? What was that anger there for? And it's crazy to say, it worked out for you.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Right.

• 5:47Channing Crowder?

  But where was that anger there from?

• 5:50Speaker 04

  I don't know, a lot of people ask me why I was always angry, and I really couldn't give them the answer. I don't know, it was just something in me. And my reply was maybe my father missing in my life and him being in a whole nother state and not there with us. And maybe that was the reason why I was so angry at everything. And my mom, she was always against me, and everything I do or turn around, I'm getting a whooping. So I became immune to pain because you say something, you get a whooping. You do something she don't like, you get a whooping. Anything, you touch something you don't supposed to touch, you getting a whooping.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  So everything was a whooping, a whooping, a whooping. So as a young kid, when I go out into the real world,

• 6:43Speaker 04

  This guy say something I don't like. He do something I don't like. Cause that's all I know. It's like anytime I did something that I wasn't supposed to do or say something or anything, I'm getting a whooping. So it's like, alright, well, that's how it's supposed to be. So when I go to school and somebody say something, mop. Somebody do something, mop. Then you get home, get a whooping like dang. So then it became a point where I'm like, alright, well, I'm already about to get a whooping. I might as well drag it out. You know, so that's how it was.

• 7:18Fred Taylor?

  Is you the illest nigga in Nebraska?

• 7:22Speaker 04

  Not belly. That's a fake movie, man. Y'all gotta stop.

• 7:28Fred Taylor?

  That's to my point then. You know, because obviously that's a classic movie for our culture. And everybody knows that line. Like for me, paint the picture, like what is it to do in Nebraska? I'm from a small town as well. And it's nothing to do in the closest big city is Miami for me. And I know when I first went to Miami, it was like, okay, this is Miami. Like growing up in Omaha, you know, being in trouble, what was there to do? Maybe the lack of led to some of those trouble?

• 8:01Speaker 04

  But no, we had a lot of programs coming up that keep the kids out of trouble and that you can go and do and to stay busy. But Omaha is just like any other city. You got the ghetto, you got the good part, and you got, you know, the the average neighborhoods that, you know, is somewhat cool and not cool, but there's a lot of things to do in Omaha when you from Omaha. There's a lot of trouble to get into when you from Omaha. Hanging out with the wrong people and hanging out. Where you shouldn't be hanging out at.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  When I came up, it was, it was a gift and a curse because we'll go over here and play basketball at the park. And then we'll leave basketball and then go shoot out windows with the BB gun. So it was just like, alright, that was fun. Let's go do something else. Or let's go at the Boys and Girls Club and play ping pong, basketball, football. And then we gonna go beat up these dudes walking up the street. It was always something to do.

• 9:07Ryan Clark?

  They say you shot up the, what is it, Edmison Rec Center with a BB gun?

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:12Ryan Clark?

  Golly, bud, you were bad as hell, man. You know, you're painting a picture for us of what young Bud Crawford lived with. What that life was like. But when we look at your professional career, it's, it almost seems seamless, right? You've won championships in three different divisions. You're the WBO welterweight champ, thirty-nine and oh, thirty KOs. But that's not necessarily how your career got started. When you look at having seventy amateur fights, plus seventy amateur fights, but you don't go to the Olympics. And they say you kind of fell out of favor with USA Boxing. You don't even win the Golden Gloves in your own city.

• 9:56Ryan Clark?

  How did those experiences shape sort of that work ethic that, you know what? I gotta keep grinding. I gotta keep working because they seem to be trying to take things away from me as I'm working to earn them.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Being from Omaha, not being a big boxing state, have led

• 10:17Speaker 04

  a lot of decisions to go against me. But not only that, my reputation. Coming up as a young kid, they always would say, man, that little dude bad. Everybody always put things in people's head like, he's bad, he's bad. Even if I ain't did nothing to you. He's bad, or he's trouble, or he's a ticking time bomb. So when I got to the USA team, fighting in Venezuela in the crowds, getting into it with teammates.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  Getting into it with coaches, I was just that type of kid. You really couldn't say nothing to me without me saying something back or rebuttling from what you said to me if I didn't agree with it. So I had kind of got that reputation that I was uncoachable, which I did everything I was supposed to do. It just was, you're not about to talk to me any kind of way.

• 11:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Speaker 04

  Because I had that toughness in me. Like, you're not about to punk me, you're not about to do none of that to me. You know, where I'm from, you don't talk to me like that and we don't deal with that. So I kind of wore that chip on my shoulder. Losing in the, in the finals, in the Golden Gloves, losing in the trials, it just, it just made me more hungrier because I knew in my heart that them guys didn't beat me and they wasn't better than me. So it just made me work so much harder. And like I said, when I lost the Olympic trials and everybody was coming up to me and they got the cameras in my face, I said, it's cool. I'm gonna see them in the pros. Now we in the pros and now you see politics played a big factor

• 11:54Speaker 04

  in the amateur game and politics still play a big factor in the professional game, but you see where I am, I am right now and you see where all those guys at, that they got a handout. Here, you got a lucky victory over Terrence Crawford. So it all played out the way it supposed to. So I can't be mad at how, how it played out.

• 12:15Channing Crowder?

  And bro, you, you brought it up, which I was gonna get to, the politics of it. Like a dude from the streets that at one point figured out your hands is better than the hands of the world, like you figured that out.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 12:27Channing Crowder?

  But now you have to navigate the politics. Now it's a business. Now the business of Bud Crawford is bigger than that. How hard is that to figure out? And the promotional side, like the business side of you is something. You are, I call them ecosystems.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 12:41Channing Crowder?

  Like when you walk in a place, there's people that are working for you. There's people that feeding their kids off of you to, to, to, to work the politics of what you've become. Was it hard to do it and when do you think you mastered that?

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Well, of course, it was it was real tough dealing with the politics and dealing with uh people saying that you're not worth this, or you're not worth that, and you feel like you feel as if you is. So you can't tell me what I'm worth. Just like I can't tell you how much you worth. You know, uh, we go in there, we as fighters, we put our life on the line every time we step in a ring, just to entertain the people that want to see us fight. So you're gonna tell me my life is not worth what I say it's worth?

• 13:27Fred Taylor?

  Hmm.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  So, yes, it's tough. And then the the boxing side of it, I'm still learning. I'm still learning. I haven't learnt it all, but I'm still learning day to day. I'm trying to gain all the knowledge I can and uh trickle it down to the next generation. Because what I deal with is a testimony to where they don't have to deal with it. You know, I will coach them and put them on game to where they don't have to deal with it. And maybe, who knows, in the future boxing can be different, where politics ain't playing a big factor in boxing like it is right now.

• 14:08Fred Taylor?

  Talk about politics, and that that's associated with, you know, all all sports. We all had to deal with it. But talking about legacy, being shot after your fourth fight, right? Uh, being shot and almost losing everything. Was that was that a defining moment where you said, look, I have to start focusing on my legacy? And then fast forwarding to this fight, because RC asked you that this fight is a legacy fight. That's what we say. We look at it and say, this is the matchup we all want. For you, though, is that career defining? Is this a legacy fight for you?

• 14:41Speaker 04

  Well, when I got shot.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  For me to change my life the way that I did and stop hanging out with the guys that I hung out with, my career started going up. It was crazy.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  God do wonders, you know, and I just put it all in his hands. And yes, this is a legacy fight for me. This is a mega fight. This is a superstar fight. This is all those in one with me and Errol Spence Jr. A lot of people, they writing me off because they say, oh, well, he's too small. Or he haven't fought nobody like Errol Spence, or his resume is this, or his resume that. There's a lot of things that a lot of people can say, but on July 29th, all the answers to everybody's questions will be answered.

• 15:34Channing Crowder?

  Quick, I gotta ask, cause you can't go over. Bro, you got shot in the face?

• 15:38Speaker 04

  In the head.

• 15:39Channing Crowder?

  In the head?

• 15:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:40Channing Crowder?

  Tell me about that. I've heard the story, but you get shot in the head. You sit in the car, RC laid it out. You get shot in the head. What's the rest of that night like getting shot in the head?

• 15:50Speaker 04

  I get shot. I dug down, car getting shot up, you know, it's a lot of bullets flying. And at that time, when the bullets stopped, I drove myself to the hospital. And the hospital was like fueled with so many people that they was calling the police up there to escort people out. And I was supposed to fight on TV at that time. And I'm still telling my manager, I still wanna fight. And he like, man, you got a bullet fragment in your head and you talking about fighting? Like, nah, man, we can cancel that.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  I was just like, I was more mad about me missing the opportunity to fight on TV than I really was getting shot. Because getting shot at.

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Was almost kinda like normal because we was already used to getting shot at. But I just haven't experienced the time to actually get shot like all my other peers and all of my other friends.

• 16:54Ryan Clark?

  I think it's sad to hear all of my other friends and all of my other peers. And that story is a story of a lot of people that come from places like where you do cities, where you do communities, where you come from. But we're here, man, for the fight. And we talked to Arrow. And Arrow has a ton of respect for you. And you're the betting favorite. We've, everybody that we've talked to around the fight, they're like, "Man, I don't know. I gotta go with Bud." But you're the B-side, right? You're the guy, even though I'm 39 and 0, even though I got 30 knockouts, I'm the B-side. Arrow says he's the one that puts butts in the seats.

• 17:38Ryan Clark?

  He's the one that makes people buy pay-per-views. What do you have to do to go out and prove that you're that guy? That you're the top dog in this because that's what this fight is about? And how much fear, if any, goes into what everybody is saying is that this is the matchup that changes my life? And you yourself said, "Nobody I fought is like him."

• 18:06Speaker 04

  Well, I didn't say nobody I fought is like him. I said, "That's what a lot of people say."

• 18:11Ryan Clark?

  I got you.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  "Nobody I fought is like him." At the same time, I can't think of one opponent that is just like him. No, I can't, you know? So that statement is somewhat true. But I don't know, man. I just, I respect Arrow. I respect him. I just feel as if they lined him up very great, very great to fight the type of guys that he fought, to be on pay-per-view and to sell pay-per-views. I wouldn't say it was all him, not taking any credit away from him. But you got two fighters that's fighting. When you look at his numbers against Mikey Garcia, there was good numbers.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  But when you look at his fight against Oogis, they weren't so hot. When you look at the fight with Danny Garcia, they really weren't so hot, so. Fighters fighting each other sell the pay-per-views. So this fight with me and Errol Spence, we're gonna surpass more than both of us have did because we got a dancing partner. A lot of people want to see Terrence Crawford. A lot of people want to see Errol Spence. So that's gonna make for a great event. It's not gonna be, oh, well, I sold all the pay-per-views if I win, or he sold all the pay-per-views if he win. It's, we collectively came together, made this a big event.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  And yes, the winner is gonna benefit off of everything, you know, going forward because the numbers is the numbers. But at the end of the day, it takes to the table.

• 19:50Ryan Clark?

  What's y'all relationship like though? Because then y'all FaceTime and talk, talk about family, talk about business, and trying to get this together? Because when I'm looking at you guys in the press conference, right? It was, it was fun, and y'all talk y'all stuff, but it was respectful. You could tell that both of y'all understood what the other man had accomplished and what they were capable of. When you look at him as a man, how do you see Errol Spence?

• 20:20Speaker 04

  Well, like I said, I'm a fan, been a fan. I respect him as a man, as a father. There's no need for me to be disrespectful to a fighter that's not being disrespectful to me. I never came off as, I gotta talk trash to this guy.

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• 21:12Speaker 04

  And disrespect them to sell a fight?

• 21:16Speaker 04

  My hands gonna do that. All my fights is exciting. So that kinda hurting me in my career. Because a lot of people say, oh, well, you don't talk trash, or you don't do this, or you don't do that. And this is what the people wanna see, and this. I said, no, the people wanna see knockouts. I don't care what you say, I don't care how you say it. I can talk all the trash, I won't. And if I go in there and move around, pitty pat, do all this and do all that. They're gonna be like, oh, he boring. Oh, he just talking, he boring. But if I go out there and be like, yeah, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna whoop your ass. And then I go whoop your ass, and I knock you out, they're gonna be like, man, that dude, he bad.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  He don't do all that crazy talking, he respectful, and he knocking people out. We respect him. Now, if he was to come and be all crazy and disrespectful, then now, now we got confrontation. And that's, that's how it always been for me.

• 22:16Fred Taylor?

  I saw a ratings video, both of y'all talk, y'all talking about respect, right? And it was ratings about ring IQ, you know, offense, defense, the whole thing. And you were very generous, you know, your assessment of him, and very respectful. And then it got to the one question, um, the one rating question. And I think boxers are kinda sensitive to this. They asked about the resume. I think you gave him a six or a seven. And he gave you a point five.

• 22:45Fred Taylor?

  A point five. What do you say to that?

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Well, you know, listen, come July 29th, I guess you're gonna be another point five that I done been in the ring with. And that's, that's how I carry it, because mostly, all the recent fighters that I've been in the ring with, a lot of people felt as if they was gonna beat me. They felt as if I was the smaller man. They felt as if these guys was more proven in the welterweight division. Okay, so be it. I knocked them off now. Oh, this guy was washed up. He wasn't the same fighter, or he was past his prime, or this guy's father throwing the towel, or he didn't train.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  I guess, I get so many excuses. So, July 29th, just give me my credit. Give me my props. Just stamp on it.

• 23:40Channing Crowder?

  Like you say, in the moniker of what they, how they painted, where Earl's bigger, stronger, he can, you know, he can bully you, but you're the technician. It sounds like, it's when, it's when white dudes play sports. And they always say, they work hard. They know the plays. You know what I'm saying? Like, they kind of paint you as, oh, yeah, he's- He has a high motor. Yeah, high motor. Hey, coach on the field. Coach, he's very coach, but like, you, you, you understand the game of boxing, but they're acting like Earl's coming in as this big, you know, Adonis, just whatever. Like, do you, do you like that moniker? And you are a technician, you, the, the, the switch, southpaw, the, like, all that you do is very technical, but do you like that moniker that they put on you before these fights?

• 24:18Speaker 04

  I love it. Because I get the opportunity to prove them wrong. All these guys that they said that was bigger than me, stronger than me, was gonna bully me.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  It seems like I was the bully in the fight.

• 24:33Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  In all of them. When I first came into the welterweight division in 2018, I called for all those guys. I called out all those guys. Only one I didn't call out was Shawn Porter. I said, I'd rather me and Shawn Porter fight at the end because our friendship and our relationship. But set aside that, I wanted to fight Keith Thurman. I want to fight Danny Garcia. I want to fight Pacquiao. I want to fight Jeff Hornet. I want to fight Errol Spence. I want to fight all those guys.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  Nothing happened.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  Where was everybody calling for me to fight Uguas when he had a title? Where was everybody calling for me to fight Shawn Porter when, when he had a title? Nobody was saying, we want to see you fight Shawn Porter. And I told him that when he called me. I said, listen, they just trying to gauge me because of how you and Errol Spence's fight, uh, fell out.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Oh, Shawn Porter did this to Errol Spence. Let's see what Shawn Porter can do with Terrence. Ain't got nothing to do with me, how y'all too far, because the styles make fights. So then after I fight Shawn Porter and then the fight goes how it goes, or he wasn't training, or he was retired, or he's this. But prior to that,

• 25:55Speaker 04

  it wasn't that he was retired, he wasn't training, it was, oh man, Shawn Porter gave Spence a hell of a fight and potentially it should have been a draw, or he could have beat Errol Spence. I don't know if Terrence could beat him, Shawn too rugged, this and that and that. Even with Kell Brook, you know, even with not fought Amir Khan, a lot of people saying, okay, if Bud catch him, he probably can knock him out, but if Bud don't catch him, Bud gonna lose. Jeff Horn, he's too big, he roughed up Pacquiao, he's gonna rough up Terrence Crawford. You know, so I hear it over and over and over and over and over. I always been the smallest guy. I was one of the smallest guys in high school. That never bothered me because I always had the biggest heart.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  So, I can be the smallest guy, that don't mean, that don't mean nothing to me.

• 26:46Ryan Clark?

  Hey, like I've been small. These hands the same.

• 26:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. And they big.

• 26:51Ryan Clark?

  These hands the same. Touch people now, yeah, yeah.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  No, I'm just saying, I got some big mitts, you know what I mean, that's what catching, throwing.

• 26:59Ryan Clark?

  Well, you cannot play no football. I know you couldn't throw, you just ran to every place.

• 27:04Channing Crowder?

  Let's be honest, but you was in Omaha.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  That's cool, man.

• 27:08Channing Crowder?

  There's no top quality football played in Omaha.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  You better not disrespect Omaha like that. Yeah. Amon Green would have ran you over, stop playing.

• 27:17Ryan Clark?

  Did I play Amon? I think I, did Amon go to the Texans? No, Amon was nice in college. Yeah, and Green Bay too. He was nice in the league. He was nice at Green Bay, you right about that too, Fred.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  I think I played Amon, then he goes to the Texans afterwards. Yeah.

• 27:32Ryan Clark?

  That was late. Eric Crouch.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  Nah, I played with him in Washington. He wasn't worth a damn. Hey, man, listen, man, you better put some respect down.

• 27:38Ryan Clark?

  Eric Crouch was just good at Nebraska now.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Like, let's not reach.

• 27:43Fred Taylor?

  I'm gonna tell you this, we came out.

• 27:44Ryan Clark?

  Tommy Frazier.

• 27:45Channing Crowder?

  Tommy Frazier was a dog.

• 27:47Fred Taylor?

  I mean, but he from Florida.

• 27:48Ryan Clark?

  Tommy Frazier, I got nothing to say about.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  Man, we got a lot of people, man.

• 27:51Channing Crowder?

  Tommy Lawrence?

• 27:52Speaker 04

  We got a lot of people.

• 27:53Fred Taylor?

  Y'all beat the shit out of us.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Lawrence Phillips, all of them, man.

• 27:56Channing Crowder?

  Tommy Lawrence, man, hell.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  Y'all better stop, man, we better. Where you from?

• 28:00Channing Crowder?

  From Georgia, where, you know, where football's played.

• 28:03Ryan Clark?

  But, hey, but you can't come on our show talking to us like this, because we don't box, but now be respectful to everybody else. At least how he talking, y'all better stop playing.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  He, hey, he talking about, man, ain't nothing came, ain't no football came. We was bred on football. Nebraska Cornhuskers was bred on football.

• 28:21Ryan Clark?

  The only people they ever seen.

• 28:22Fred Taylor?

  In the late 90's.

• 28:23Ryan Clark?

  I'm just saying, we was bred on football. But be, be real now, but the only people that ever go to Nebraska from like Omaha, be like some dude named Tommy Ivasivich that played fullback and walk on. The rest of them, they go to Florida and all these other places, they all used to get him and import him.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  You know, you know why? And that's the, that's, that's crazy that you just said that. It's so much talent in Omaha and Nebraska, but they don't want to recruit in-house. Tell me that. That's crazy. So then when you see all the fight, uh, all the players from Omaha, going elsewhere, other teams and shining and making it to the league, and then we looking at the coast for Nebraska like, so you don't want, you don't want to pick him up, huh?

• 29:09Ryan Clark?

  He didn't fit your program, huh?

• 29:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know, so that's, that's a big thing right now, because we got so much talent coming out of Omaha and Nebraska, but Omaha, for some reason, don't want to, you know, recruit in-house.

• 29:23Ryan Clark?

  You recently said your, your last fight in Omaha may be the, the last one you ever bring back there. So just for you, what is it like to now represent Omaha in the way that you do and have them back you like that?

• 29:37Speaker 04

  Man, they always back me. Ever since I was a kid, uh, internationals, Omaha have always been, uh, supportive. They always backed me since they won. That's why it was so meaningful me, meaningful for me to bring a world championship fight back to Omaha. That's all I ever wanted coming up was to give back to them because. They travel, they support, they do, they do everything they post to as fans and supportive uh, community to support Terrence Crawford and his journey to become world champion.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  So, when I became world champion, I demanded that I fight in Omaha, Nebraska. And my first fight was against uh, Gamboa and they showed up, they turned out. And every fight that I fought in Omaha, it got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And that just shows the support level that they got for Terrence Crawford. Because we don't have no NFL teams, NBA teams, or uh, baseball teams, or none, none of those professional teams. I am the professional team of Omaha and Nebraska. So, when you look at Omaha and they want to support a professional franchise, they say Team Crawford.

• 31:01Channing Crowder?

  Wow. And you, you speak about like the support Omaha has for you, but also people question you a lot. Like you're saying, the whole, the whole, he's a technician, but he's not big enough. You always the smallest guy. Do you think you, you've earned the respect that you're shown? Do you think the boxing world gives you the respect that you're shown? And if not, what's gonna do it? Is it this fight? Is it something else? Is it a number you're trying to get to of this and oh? What's that respect gonna come from?

• 31:30Speaker 04

  It ain't gonna never, it ain't gonna never be enough. You know why? Because it's always gonna be somebody that's trying to discredit you from accomplishing what you accomplished. Because there's always a window for them to say, oh, well, the only reason why he won is because of this. The only reason why he won because of that. It's never ending. And I accepted that. Every fight, there's, there's something negative to say about Terrence Crawford. My last fight, they say, oh, well, who is this avocado? Like they didn't know his name.

• 32:05Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 32:06Speaker 04

  Everybody disrespecting this world-class fighter when he number six in the whole division.

• 32:12Speaker 04

  Not in one station body in the whole division. So it's like, okay, when he beat Sugar Shane Mosley for his last fight coming up.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  He was a bum. So this guy, okay, well, I guess I'm fighting all bums then. Just because you probably don't know too much about this guy. That don't make him a bum to be on this level. So when I, when I, when I meet him with, with facts, then they try to downplay the facts. I say, okay, well, you getting in the ring with him then? Since he's a bum, since he can't fight, since he's this and he's that, you getting in the ring with him? And let's see how long you can last with him.

• 32:50Ryan Clark?

  Do people not like you? Right, like, and, and I'm not trying to say this in, in a bad way. There's a, there's a clip from the press conference, from the press tour, and you're walking by a dude in a suit. Big old tall dude, bald head, look like, and you just said, what's up? And when you said, what's up, he turned, he turns around, you kind of walk back, y'all have some words. And when he's walking into the door, he's like, yeah, they didn't let this suit fool him. Right? A lot of times when people have that reaction to you, you have a reputation. And it's either you have a reputation of being a badass and they're like, oh, if I see Terrence Crawford, I gotta get my stripes off of him? Or you have a reputation of being a bad dude.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:34Ryan Clark?

  Right? And, and, and a guy that we can't like because seemingly the way you've dominated your sport,

• 33:44Ryan Clark?

  he shouldn't have to ask you if you have the respect that you deserve. The way you've dominated your sport, it shouldn't be a question of who's, of who's the next guy? Or why Terrence Crawford beat this dude? Sometimes in a political world where we get to make our champions or we get to push who we want to push, it simply comes down to relationships and who I like.

• 34:07Ryan Clark?

  Do people not like you?

• 34:08Speaker 04

  You got people, some people that don't like me because they don't know me. But you got more people that like me than they don't. So the people that don't like me, I just say, okay, cool. They just don't know me. They, they, they don't like me and never even spoke two words to me. They say, oh, well, man. When I, when I, when I first met you, man, I thought you was gonna be this mean, grumpy dude and this and that and that. For what? Like, man, you just walk with that aura about you. Like, you just always ready to fight. I'm like, man, it's just natural walk, you know? I ain't got no problem with you, you know? Like, I ask a question and, you know, keep it moving.

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• 35:43Fred Taylor?

  You got this, this laid back demeanor, man. It seems like you don't have a worry in the world. But fight fans and even casual onlookers, I can't say I'm an avid boxing fan, right? But I peek in, you know? Big fights come, I wanna see those. Cause I think a lot of times that's what the sport, you know, is about for me. Uh, and, and we've been waiting for that matchup. Now we got it. You know, you confirmed that it's a legacy fight. And this question is about expectations and pressures. You know, that come with it. How do you manage, you know, those expectations? You said, Omar, you know, there's no sport teams. You are the sport team, you know, so you got all that on your back. And this is the matchup that you've been waiting for. Even with the people that say you're too small.

• 36:28Fred Taylor?

  You know, you haven't fought anybody. He got you a point five on the resume. How do you? What are the pressures that come with that? And how do you manage those?

• 36:37Speaker 04

  I don't worry about it. I don't worry about none of those type of things because I know who I am as a man. I know what I gotta do to make sure that I'm straight. At the end of the day, it only matters about my family and my, my circle that cares about me, really genuinely cares about me. Because if I was to go and get punched in the head tomorrow when I spar and I have brain injury and I can't box no more and I'm in a coma or whatever.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  A lot of people gonna tweet, oh, man, prayers, I'm gonna pray for him and this and that and this. But then what? Yep. They gonna go home to their family. They gonna eat good. They gonna do their daily routine. None of them gonna come and visit me. None of them gonna put no money on my, my, my doctor's bill. None, where, where's gonna be all the hundreds of thousands of fans that was following me? Or hundreds of thousands of fans that was supportive? Where, where they at now? Just a, a, another boxer that's lost in the world. And that really happens to more than a, a lot.

• 37:59Speaker 04

  So the only people that really.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Matters when they say something is my family in my inner circle.

• 38:06Fred Taylor?

  And with that, you know, speaking about the boxes that are lost in the world, like, is that, has that ever been a fear? Or you can't think about that?

• 38:14Speaker 04

  No, it never have. Because I always, like I said, I leave everything in God's hands. If that's my destiny, if that's the way my, my book is written, then it will happen. I'm not worried, I'm not scared, I'm not afraid of anything. Because if something gonna happen, it's gonna happen. I can't control it.

• 38:33Fred Taylor?

  For sure.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  I can walk outside and get hit by a car just by just walking. Somebody could be speeding. I can trip on this, on these stairs coming out the ring and break my neck. So, I don't, I don't live with the fact that fear that something may dramatically happen to me in the ring or outside the ring. Because if it's, if it happened, it happened. It ain't nothing that I can do outside of my control.

• 39:02Ryan Clark?

  I mean, I spoke like a man that's been, hell, shot in the head.

• 39:07Ryan Clark?

  And, and said, you know, you felt lucky because you hadn't experienced it like your peers, or you hadn't experienced it like some of your friends. You said something to Fred that struck me. You said, I know what type of man I am. You walked in with three of your boys and, you know, we were just saying, Fred said, hey, when you told them to go sit down, they went, sit down. And you said, hey, don't let that fool you now. They can get after it too. You didn't have a father there every single day. It was your mother Deborah, it was your, your two sisters. But you have your family, you have your seven kids. There's the, the famous post of your daughter losing her shoe, getting her shoe back on, going out and went into 200. And you talked about the perseverance and the grit that it took.

• 39:52Ryan Clark?

  How has your experience shaped how you are as a father?

• 39:58Speaker 04

  Aw, man. It, it shaped me into the greatest father ever.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  I really believe wholeheartedly like there's no person walking this earth that can touch me on this fatherhood and that's how I'm supposed to feel. That's how any, any real father that, that loves to be a dad should feel. I'm there every step of the way. I'm training for the best, I mean, the biggest fight of my career yet and still. My son up here, it's his birthday and I'm like, what you want to do? Today is all about you. I'm gonna do my little workout and everything else is, is yours.

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• 41:10Speaker 04

  Anytime my kids have any wrestling tournaments, birthdays, anything special, anything that's real significant, I'm packing up and I'm leaving. Boxing can wait, but them kids, they gonna remember that and they gonna cherish that for the rest of their life. They gonna always sit there and say, no matter what my dad was doing in life, he always made sure he was there for my birthdays, Christmases, big events, my big tournaments, my wrestling tournaments, things like that. And that's something that I really cherished when I was little because I didn't have nobody there. My mom wasn't there, my dad wasn't

• 41:52Speaker 04

  there. I didn't have nobody there. I used to sit around and look at all the fighters and they family and they supportive system and I just had the coaches and my teammates. But... Like I said, that them experiences made me the man that I am today. And I wouldn't take it back.

• 42:15Channing Crowder?

  It's really a generational curse of changing it. What you've seen, you either see it and agree with it, or you disagree with it. And what you saw, you disagree with that as a father not being there. So now I'm gonna be there. And that's beautiful. We talk about it a lot on this show. And I gotta ask you about, because one thing everybody talks about is how you can jump into, you know, right-handed and go southpaw and go back and forth. And that's one of your strengths. Is that strategic at all? Or does it just, does the fight come to you? Because everybody talks about your instincts. And I've seen you, I just watched it on the way over here. In this corner, and a dude rushed you, little Spanish dude rushed you. And you jumped out of it, got him and hit him in the back, bink, and laid him down right there. And I was like, was that, did you know that was coming? Is that, is that switching back and forth?

• 42:58Channing Crowder?

  Do you say first round, second round, I'm gonna do this. Third round, I'm gonna give him this. Or is that just how the fight comes to you?

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Uh, it's just instincts. It's just how, how, how things is playing out. Sometimes I may feel I have a better advantage in the southpaw stance. Sometimes I feel like I have a better advantage in the orthodox stance. I've been doing it all my life. I used to get yelled at and in trouble for actually doing it. But once I messed up my right hand for fighting in school, I just started practicing more on my left. Because at the time, my left wasn't as strong as my right. Because, you know, I'm right-handed and I always want to hit with the right. But my left became stronger than my right.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  You know, so now I'm evenly powerful with either hand. So now it's just, it's deadly whichever way I go.

• 43:56Ryan Clark?

  Chan often talks about how he strengthens his right hand and his left hand. Oh, my goodness. It's just something, he said.

• 44:04Channing Crowder?

  The left's called the stranger.

• 44:06Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he said, who could love him, who could love him more than himself? You know, we were talking about your kids, Bud. You got a lot of kids, man. Like, and you talk about switching stances and doing that. Are you ever gonna switch up your kid-making motto? Because you don't, how many you want to have?

• 44:22Speaker 04

  Man, I think I'm done.

• 44:24Fred Taylor?

  You gotta even it out. You got four boys.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  I know, I'm probably done.

• 44:28Fred Taylor?

  Get the eight pack.

• 44:30Ryan Clark?

  I tell you, if you're not done until you do something about getting.

• 44:32Fred Taylor?

  So let me ask you this then.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  I ain't getting clipped.

• 44:36Ryan Clark?

  Why not?

• 44:37Speaker 04

  They don't live that long.

• 44:39Ryan Clark?

  Who don't?

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Who? Them people that be getting clipped.

• 44:41Ryan Clark?

  I just got clipped.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Ooh, man, you better.

• 44:44Fred Taylor?

  Forty-seven, I made it forty-seven.

• 44:46Ryan Clark?

  We all, so all of us, none of us make, can make babies anymore, but we still here, man.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  Hard to, y'all.

• 44:53Ryan Clark?

  But, but if you don't, if you don't do something about it, it's gonna be number eight, number nine, number ten. It's gonna start lining up like your stoppages. Wait, what you saying? What you saying? What you saying, but hey, if you get out of line, he gonna be the eleventh one stop. If you keep getting out of line, it's gonna be the eleventh one you gotta take care of.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe. I think all my, all my kids except one was playing though.

• 45:15Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 45:16Speaker 04

  All of them. So I'm pretty good at, you know, doing what I do.

• 45:20Ryan Clark?

  So you pretty, you got seven. You feel that tingle, man? You, I know you quick, your hips ain't quick though.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  No.

• 45:28Ryan Clark?

  Boy, you gotta throw them hips back.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  So man, I gotta do some hip thrusts?

• 45:32Fred Taylor?

  So check it, July twenty-ninth, Las Vegas, Nevada. Fish fry. You posted it on your, your, your Instagram. What are we serving? Crawfish? Or shark bites?

• 45:44Speaker 04

  Man, listen. I don't, I don't even eat crawfish, so. You know, we.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  We bout to fillet him.

• 45:52Ryan Clark?

  You know, you say, you say you can't catch Moby Dick with a fishing pole though.

• 45:56Speaker 04

  Listen. If he Moby Dick, then I'mma just, I had to send my friend, you know, go get him.

• 46:04Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you gonna have to go, you had to be Ahab. Ahab was the only one that he, he put it, he dedicated his life. To catching Moby Dick. He said he ain't no little fish, he ain't the biggest fish. And earlier too, I caught something you said, by the way.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  You know, you know what an orca is, right?

• 46:19Ryan Clark?

  A what?

• 46:19Speaker 04

  An orca.

• 46:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  They eat up Moby Dick.

• 46:23Ryan Clark?

  Are you a killer whale?

• 46:25Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 46:25Ryan Clark?

  You a killer whale?

• 46:26Speaker 04

  Would I?

• 46:27Ryan Clark?

  So I have, so this is my question for you though. Earlier, earlier you said, you started to say. I'm, when you're talking about your kids, I'm preparing for my best, you about to say my best fight. And then you said, for my biggest fight.

• 46:42Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 46:44Ryan Clark?

  You don't think he's the best fighter you've ever fought?

• 46:46Speaker 04

  Could be. Look at all the interviews of Terrence Crawford. They ask that same question. Is this your toughest task? Is this your biggest fight? I don't know. Till I get in the ring. I can go in there thinking, you a monster, you Moby Dick. And I go in there and you're like a little strawfish. I'm like, man, this wasn't even that hard. Not saying that he's an easy fighter because none of these fighters is easy. They may look easy on the outside, but all the training, all the things that us fighters go through and put our body through to get to that one moment.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  That fight wasn't easy at all.

• 47:33Ryan Clark?

  If you do what Bud has always done and your hand is raised at the end of this fight, will you think of Mitch?

• 47:41Speaker 04

  And when?

• 47:43Ryan Clark?

  When? When you do that, will you think of Mitch, man? And the fact that you didn't want to go to the gym when you were little? He come to the house, he get you. Your mom, you be telling your mom that you don't want to go and she say, nah, he in the house. Come get him. You know, I know in 2018, you know, you lost him. And I'm sure this is something that he always believed you could become. And you now get to that moment. He obviously won't be here. Will you look back and think about all of those sacrifices and ways that he poured into you that helped you become this Terrence?

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Always, always. I always think of him. I think of him, my uncles, my aunts. I always think of all of them because it kind of hurt that they, they not here to actually see the grown addition of Bud. They only remember the little, well, not Mitch because he, he was present, but the bad Bud, you know? They they know the little Bud running around the neighborhood and none of them got to see the mature Bud. The Bud that's a world champion, the Bud that take care of his family, the Bud that, you know, uh, take care of his community. They don't, they they wasn't able to see those, those things uh in a physical form.

• 49:01Speaker 04

  Uh, so I think of all of them, when I'm in a, when I'm in a back, back dressing room, I'll be hearing little words, little, little people talking to me and it might be crazy to people, but I just be like, I be looking up like, alright, I hear you. You know, and and Midge always said, never mind who he fought, he ain't fought you yet. Cause when I was coming up, a lot of people will always say, oh, man, you fighting this guy or you fighting this guy? And Midge always would say, he'll be like, laddie daddie, we fight anybody. He ain't fought you yet.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  And I go in there with the mindset of, he ain't fought me yet, so I don't care who he fought. I don't care who he beat. He ain't beat me yet. Till he beat me, I don't care about what y'all talking about and how dangerous he is. So that's how I always carried it.

• 49:56Ryan Clark?

  All respect to Midge Minor, man. All respect.

• 49:58Channing Crowder?

  And Bud, you you going into this fight the 29th, you gonna go with the, with the, with the Joe Clark? Had to, cause I was giving you a hell early about it. You gonna go with the fro with the Malcolm X and all you?

• 50:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:11Ryan Clark?

  You ain't go, you ain't go tip faded?

• 50:12Channing Crowder?

  He went to the, he went to the press conference like that with the Gucci polo.

• 50:17Ryan Clark?

  I saw it.

• 50:18Channing Crowder?

  No edge up or nothing, bud.

• 50:19Ryan Clark?

  Just a little tip, man, just a little.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  I ain't trying to impress nobody, man. It's, man, it's game time. How y'all say, game time?

• 50:27Ryan Clark?

  But you know they say, they say you, you look good?

• 50:29Speaker 04

  I feel good. I look good. I feel good.

• 50:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, so no edge, no nothing, you not go?

• 50:34Speaker 04

  I might, I might. Look good, feel good.

• 50:38Ryan Clark?

  Fellas, our partners over at DraftKings, man, they put us in a bad spot. They want us to pick between Arrow and Bud. I ain't going, Chan. You'll do it, though.

• 50:47Channing Crowder?

  I got it, man. And I love it. Bud was cool, and I love the swag. But Arrow's the truth, and I'm going with the truth. I think Arrow Spence gonna throw, and he end up knocking out Bud.

• 50:57Fred Taylor?

  Look, I'm gonna go with the knockout bet. The knockout bet. I like both of the guys. I can't pick a favorite, but I'm gonna go with the knockout. Both of them are great. I don't think it'll be a decision, so knockout, six, over/under six round? That's my pick.

• 51:11Ryan Clark?

  Well, Freddie Team brought up the curse to Arrow. Can't be cursed when they both did just show. Can't wait to see who wins.

• 51:19Fred Taylor?

  Bro, we gonna act this and wrap it up. We act all, I guess. Uh, biggest pivot, you know, that defining moment that catapulted you, you know, or changed the direction of your life? What's your biggest pivot?

• 51:29Speaker 04

  The biggest pivot that changed my life?

• 51:34Speaker 04

  I would have to say my uncle and my grandma, being there to support me through all the things that I was going through as a child, and being able to actually give me those words to make me sit down and think. Cause my grandma, she's a gangster. She's a gangster. No, my grandpa a gangster. She's a real one, and she just always kept it real, like, "What you doing with that boy?" Like, she never was the type to be like, "Boy, what you doing tonight?" She always be like, just chilling, like, "What you doing? You going by yourself?"

• 52:19Speaker 04

  Now, you know when you walk out that door, something happen, and you can't even take it back? Like, she always, like, real. Like, she gonna let you do whatever you wanna do, but she gonna give you that, you know what I mean, to put on your mind, like, "Damn." She right. You know what I mean? So I just always cherished my grandma, you know, thoughts on things and how she always tried to talk to me and help me understand like it ain't worth it or this ain't worth it or if you do this and you know you're gonna get in trouble and if you get in trouble, I can't help you get out. I like just little things like that ever since a little kid and my uncle always, you

• 53:01Speaker 04

  know, telling me to believe in God and hold your head high and everything will be alright. Everything happening for a reason and and just, you know, walking in that in that right path, changing my life and seeing how things changed for me and being able to go from fighting for $600 my first fight and not being able to get no, no big promotional company to invest in me because they didn't feel as if I was one of those type guys to being on top of the world, coming from nothing, uh, it's a blessing.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. But are you the best welterweight in the entire world? Definitely. On July 29th, will it finally be settled with your hand being raised in the ring? July 29th, I assure you, my hand will be raised and everybody will be saying that guy is special. That's all it takes, brother.

• 54:11Channing Crowder?

  You should make a baby that night. No, I ain't.

• 54:14Ryan Clark?

  We ain't making no babies.

• 54:15Channing Crowder?

  Eight out the gate.

• 54:16Ryan Clark?

  We ain't making no babies. Appreciate you.

• 54:18Fred Taylor?

  For sure.

• 54:19Ryan Clark?

  Hey, good luck.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Hey, that little joke gonna have no fat on it, me.

• 54:21Ryan Clark?

  Man, that dude solid.

• 54:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, he ain't got no fat on it.

• 54:24Ryan Clark?

  He leaning to you.

• 54:26Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  Benefited, yeah.

• 54:28Fred Taylor?

  Good.

• 54:29Speaker 04

  Like it always benefited?

• 54:30Fred Taylor?

  Oh, yeah, definitely. You know, he can't, he can't really do nothing here in Denver. Oh, you can't? I had, I had a secret cell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to snatch his whole inside out. Damn.

• 54:39Speaker 04

  Hey, why you don't say it like that?

• 54:42Fred Taylor?

  He got no organs.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  I got.

• 54:44Fred Taylor?

  He got like two organs in there. I play safety. Safety, yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 04

  See, you ain't that much taller than me, man.

• 54:48Fred Taylor?

  I'm not. I'm just tougher. Yeah.

• 54:50Ryan Clark?

  I don't know about that.

• 54:51Fred Taylor?

  I'm out of that conversation.

• 54:53Ryan Clark?

  Fuck a man, I'm lying, who got you?

• 54:54Fred Taylor?

  You, like you tried to say, he got shot in the head. You can't tell me you're suffering, man. I'm sorry.

• 55:00Channing Crowder?

  I've seen a nigga try to ball it up and he be still be popping that.

• 55:03Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, you can't tell me.

• 55:04Speaker 04

  I would've took his spot.

• 55:05Ryan Clark?

  Hey, no, bud. Bud, that's like, that's like me saying, I could get in the ring and do it.

• 55:09Speaker 04

  No, it ain't, cuz I played basketball and football.

• 55:11Fred Taylor?

  See, but you say you can take his spot, but then you gotta tackle me.

• 55:15Ryan Clark?

  I fought too, bud.

• 55:16Speaker 04

  Hey, listen, I was, I was, no, no, no, I'm, I'm good at rapping up.

• 55:20Fred Taylor?

  Nah, ain't no rapping up.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  I'm rapping up.

• 55:21Fred Taylor?

  You don't write that chest. Man, I see you coming out the pipe like that.

• 55:26Ryan Clark?

  And my man coming to clean you up.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  Hey, you can play.

• 55:29Ryan Clark?

  You go with the lights, kid.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  Hey, whoever.

• 55:32Ryan Clark?

  You already told him, my green, go for him over.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  I'm saying, he on my team.

• 55:37Ryan Clark?

  He on my team and I'll wrap him up.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm on the way.

• 55:40Ryan Clark?

  I'ma stand him up.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  I'm on the way, bud.

• 55:41Ryan Clark?

  That's all I gotta do, bud, you got no shot.