Grow Your Audience By Avoiding These 3 Mistakes | Ep 777

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• 0:00Alex Hormozi?

  What's going on? Welcome back to the game. We're talking about making more money, making more impact and all of that fun stuff along the way. So today I want to talk about creators. I want to talk about people who have audiences and that could be in the form of email lists that can be from subscribers or followers, but fundamentally an audience of people who know, like and trust you. I want to talk about the big mistake that I think a lot of creators or audience havers make when attempting to monetize their audience. Now, I will probably make a different podcast at a different time about like what to sell if you're going to make your, you know, your first offer to an audience. But for today, I want to talk about the actual mistake that occurs. And so if you have an audience or would like to have one, this is a big one for you. And I will promise you this,

• 0:42Alex Hormozi?

  which is, once you see this, what I'm about to share with you, you will never be able to unsee it. If you listen to this and realize that, oh, shoot, this is me, I've made this mistake. The good news is you're just like everyone else. So don't worry about it. But you can take steps to unwind it, which I'll talk about as well. Okay, so here's the situation. So let's say we've got influencer influencer X, all right. And he's got an audience of, let's say, backcountry rednecks. Awesome. Cool. That's the audience. He decides, okay, I'm going to sell something to my audience. And so he sells widget number one. And so he launches widget number one. He's very excited

• 1:23Alex Hormozi?

  about it. And we're going to assume that he did the basic math of, okay, what percentage of my audience will I convert? What's the lifetime gross profit per customer? And I want to maximize whatever object I have or whatever widget, if I'm looking picking between four or five different widgets, to the thing that will make that will sell the most potential units at the highest lifetime gross profit per customer. All right, let's just assume that you you did that basic math, which, by the way, if you did that basic math, it would put you in the advanced category, because you'd be amazed at how many creators don't do basic math. Let's assume you did do basic math and you do have widget number one, and it is doing reasonably well. The creator then gets the creative idea to take this wildly next step, which is, hey, Alex says, if having

• 2:05Alex Hormozi?

  one product's good, having a second product must be better. I should do more, right? Isn't that what that is? Products? No, that would be new, by the way.

• 2:13Alex Hormozi?

  Have you ever sold yourself on your own idea? You sell yourself on your own BS. All of a sudden, everyone's quotes align like, you know, all of a sudden you read biblical scripture and you're like, oh, this actually means I really should raise my prices. It's like reticular activation, like everything now reminds you of that thing. So you then say, I'm gonna look at my original list of of things that I was thinking about selling when I decided to sell widget number one. And I'm gonna pick from the remaining list to sell widget number two. Now, why are we doing this? We're doing this because the creator says, ah, I want to make more money. And, you know, I already have a certain percentage of people who are buying thing one. So I'm gonna sell them thing two. Duh, right? Makes sense, obviously. We'll just sell them something else. There's two problems that occur.

• 2:53Alex Hormozi?

  Problem number one is that widget number two that you attempt to sell is typically the second best widget, because you didn't pick it first. Now, you may make the argument, ah, I have new information, I learned a little bit more, this actually would have been a better one. Fine, maybe. The second problem is that you've already made some sort of ask of the audience. And unless your product was exceptional, in which case, by the way, side quest, it's not an ask if the thing you deliver on is exceptional. The problem is that the world has normalized, myself included, the give, give, ask, the give before you ask ratio. Because honestly, I have to assume that most people suck at product. Most people's products are not that good. But in an ideal world, when people buy that product, the next time you have a product, they want to buy it even more. And so it doesn't seem like another ask. It seems like yet another give.

• 3:38Alex Hormozi?

  People are upset if Apple comes out with another iPhone-esque product. Now, I want to be clear, when I say iPhone-esque, I mean, new and amazing thing, not iPhone 28,000, you know, version, right? Hopefully, this won't sound self-aggrandizing. But if I came out with another book, and then at the day after the book, I said, hey, by the way, I have another book. The likelihood that people would buy the second, you know, the next book after that. If they enjoyed the first book, or the one that I just, you know, they just did, maybe to make this realistic, let's say I waited six months or waited three months to launch the next book, then the likelihood is that people would just buy that one too, because they got value from it. It doesn't feel like an ask. Alright, so I make this as a clear point to differentiate this whole, or at least add nuance or color to this concept of giving and asking. Okay,

• 4:23Alex Hormozi?

  back to the second widget. So you have your second widget, and it's not as good as your first widget, and you've already used up some quote goodwill. So you get a lower conversion on a lower widget. And so then, of course, you do this launch, does make as much as you want, makes a little bit, and you're like, okay. But you know what would really grow our business? Because I did this for a whole year now. This is our second year, and I just finished my second year. Widget one was year one, widget two was year two. You know what I could do to this business? I think I could come up with a third widget to sell to my audience. Ah, a third widget, more products. And so you come up with a third widget, the same thing happens again. It's the third best thing to sell. You've already disenfranchised the highest buyers in your audience. And you go to a smaller conversion on a worse widget.

• 5:05Alex Hormozi?

  And so what happens is like, let's say the first thing sells 100, and the second thing sells 50, and the third thing sells 30. You just have this like little, it's like you're dropping a marble, and then just keep the little bounces get smaller and smaller. And so unfortunately, a lot of creators or people who have audiences will fall in this very vicious cycle of just like, they keep launching stuff. What I want to explain is the fundamental mistake. Instead of trying to find new products to sell your audience, you want to find new audience to sell your product. I'll say that again. Instead of trying to figure out new products to sell your audience, you will likely be better served trying to find more audience to sell your product.

• 5:51Alex Hormozi?

  Singular. What a lot of people who have audiences fail to realize is that all it does is give you an artificial boost in the beginning. You sell through the audience. Okay. And so it gives you an artificially inflated beginning. Now, if that product isn't good, or it's not recurring, then you're going to be in a little bit of world of hurt because now you're like, okay, what would I do now? Now you have to make your regular call to actions and you sell kind of a maintenance level, which is purely predicated on the amount of new subscribers and followers you generate from your organic content on a regular basis. You then just know that you add, call it 100 people a day to your following and you convert 1% or 2% of those followers and you get one or two sales a day, depending on the price point. And that's it. That's the game. And then you get really sad because you're like, oh, man, the launch was so big, now

• 6:36Alex Hormozi?

  it's not that big. So I should launch a second product. And of course, we know where that ends. I have seen so many influencer businesses that have like nine businesses that all make $0. Not really, they make some money, right? But you think that in your infinite wisdom, you're going to somehow outcompete every other person in the space that you have for each of those verticals because you just had one launch to your audience. And then, of course, because sales aren't coming in the way they used to, you overhired and then you have to cut back there. And then, of course, your reputation suffers because it's not as good as it was before. There's also less excitement, but then you're like, well, I can't cut the team because some couple of customers there. Right? It's just a big mess. So what do you do?

• 7:20Alex Hormozi?

  First things first is you recognize the fundamental truth that I just said, which is you likely need to find more audience to sell your product if you truly believe in the product, rather than trying to find more products to sell your audience. If the product is good enough, it will expand beyond the audience because you have word of mouth. You will also be able to run advertisements to colder and colder traffic. And if done well, that product will actually bring you more warm audience. There's a reason, by the way, I spend so much time on the books. I know that a huge percentage of people actually find me through my books. Someone recommends the book to them at some random conference, they read the book and then they follow my stuff, then they enter my audience.

• 8:05Alex Hormozi?

  And so the product actually creates audience members who then increases the likelihood that they purchase other future products from you in the future. And that is the point. It's more so that you only know, and you have to recognize this as a skilled efficiency. You only know one way to get customers and you're probably also a little impatient. The inverse of that would be somebody who knows multiple ways to get customers and who is patient. It would then follow that you say, okay, I have this product that I believe a lot in. It makes more sense, instead of making a second product, that I simply take all that effort, make this product better. That's the back and then the front. It makes more sense to, instead of promoting a second product to that audience, to try and make even better content to expand that audience.

• 8:47Alex Hormozi?

  And/or run advertisements or do outbound or whatever your next would find affiliate partners that can send you more traffic, whatever it is. To expand my audience. And if the product is good, the product will reinforce your position, ideally positively in your prospects and then soon to be customers minds. And I think this is like one of the fundamental mistakes. I mean, the reason I'm making this podcast, I saw some dude who I want to say like a couple of years ago, had a, I would say like low to medium following. It just launched service after service after service and has like six different businesses now. From an audience that now is dwindling because the guy just sold every, anything that wasn't nailed to the floor, he sold to them. Right. And the stuff wasn't good. You know how I know it wasn't good?

• 9:31Alex Hormozi?

  It couldn't be good. No one's good on their first shot. Right. It takes so much effort to make a good product or a good service. It takes years. It takes iterations. I think the real real is that if you do have that big audience, instead of fucking launching the whole thing. Sell it to one, one to 5% of them. See what they say, get feedback, get some testimonials, improve the product again, sell it to another 5% of them. Right. You create this exclusionary process where you slowly ramp up revenue. You add more people at the right pace and then you're able to basically grow into a sustainable revenue level. That's significantly higher than the launch and then crash model. Now you're like, wait a second, Alex, you launched your book. I sure did.

• 10:16Alex Hormozi?

  Fundamentally, you have to be able to do a lot of execution at scale in order to pull this off. And I'm not saying, yeah, I guess I am saying, I think it's unlikely that you have this. Skill set on your team to be able to do this. And this is just me saying this from having met a lot of your teams. So yes, it takes operational skill and intelligence on your team to be able to pull this off on a consistent basis. But my launch was a book. I spent all my time into the book beforehand. I had high confidence that the book would be good. I already I vetted it and validated with other readers that I know, I trust. Their opinion gave me good feedback to make it simpler, to make it streamlined, to to cut out irrelevant stories or parts that are like too advanced or whatever it is, right? I don't see that process, that product iteration process from creators, because they tend to be more marketing heavy, not product heavy.

• 11:00Alex Hormozi?

  And this is obviously something that I've taken a long time in my career to recalibrate. I've spent a lot more time in the last, call it four or five years on product, because I realized, once you know how to sell shit, once you know how to advertise, you realize how incredibly empty it is. Because you have to keep doing it again and again, unless the product's good. And so in the beginning, you suck at product and you suck at marketing. Then you learn how to market and sell, and then you start selling stuff. But you realize how little leverage you have when you have to keep selling every month. You have to keep reloading. You have to keep hunting in the first every month to make your nut. And that's tough. I hate thinking about the amount of sales that I did 10 years ago that I don't get paid from today.

• 11:43Alex Hormozi?

  And when I say get paid from, I just use that as as loose hand for if I had had a better product at that point, or I consistently reinvested in that product, those people might still be with me now. And so the secret to very big businesses, here's the real real. The secret to very big businesses is just you don't lose customers, because it's amazing how big a business can get, even if it sells a small amount of customers, but doesn't lose them for 20 years. That's the real, like, that's how it works. And I'm shouting this a little bit because it just took me too long to get. And a lot of these podcasts I just make to yell at my younger self, just to be clear. And so. You've just got to figure that out. If you have an audience and you're trying to make more money with them, make the product as good as possible. Consider slow ramping it instead of launching it.

• 12:28Alex Hormozi?

  So you can get to a sustainable level and then look at finding more audience rather than finding more products to sell your existing people. And right now, I'm telling you, you won't be able to unsee it. The amount of people who have like nine different products in their profile. You know what I mean? They've got, they've got, you know, five businesses, but they've got like seven employees. There's just stupid. It's just stupid, just dumb, just so dumb. But it's a novice mistake. It's a naive mistake. It's ADDs, entrepreneurial ADD. The thing is, is fortunately, unfortunately, it's super normal. I would say it's, it's, it's more common than it is not. You know, you get your rocks off bragging to people who don't know anything about business by saying that you own four companies. Anybody who does know anything about business is like, oh, this guy's super distracted.

• 13:13Alex Hormozi?

  Novice entrepreneur 101. So, and the reality is that you also don't have four businesses. You're CEO of four businesses and you're running all of them, which means you can't run any one of them well. Also, while maintaining your media, which is probably the biggest part of your business, which you're spending all your time on. This is a bit of a cautionary tale. This is actually inspired by a real person that I saw. And I ended up going into a deeper conversation about this. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to make a podcast about this because I think it's important. And so if that's you, I need you to look at yourself deeply in the mirror and say, if I could only do one of these businesses, which one would it be? And if I took all the time I, I put into the other few companies and just made this one better, how much more money would I be making? And sometimes the answer to that question will make you feel sick to your stomach. Good, change.

• 13:57Alex Hormozi?

  Because at the end of the day, the whole process of entrepreneurship is a learning process. And yesterday is gone. There's nothing you can do about it. Fundamentally, it's sunk cost fallacy to keep something simply because you did it before. The only thing you can control is what you do today. The day you realize the better version of your business is the day you should act on it. Everything else is emotion. With that being said, maybe this is a very frightening podcast for some people. Maybe your boss has five businesses and has done the exact same thing selling to the audience. The skill to solve for is focus, patience, and learning to iterate on a product rather than create new products, and to increase the size of your audience via making the

• 14:42Alex Hormozi?

  existing channel better or bigger, or finding a new channel altogether. And so if you're like, well, what do I do instead? Those are the four steps. Have an amazing rest of your day. Make money. Change the world. Go capitalism. All right. Back.