Behind the Scenes Minis: Graffiti Animals

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Holly Frey?

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• 1:08Holly Frey?

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• 2:08Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 2:18Holly Frey?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Holly Frey.

• 2:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I'm Tracy D. Wilson.

• 2:23Holly Frey?

  We talked about spray paint this week.

• 2:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yep.

• 2:27Holly Frey?

  I have a story about my own ding dongery as usual.

• 2:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay, good.

• 2:31Holly Frey?

  I initially wrote a note at the bottom of this to talk about where I was like, Millet's life sounds sort of awful to me.

• 2:39Holly Frey?

  I travel a lot, but he traveled a lot and seemed to never settle. Like, and I was telling my beloved about this and he was like, it honestly doesn't sound that different from your schedule. And I was like, shush. But anyway, I played myself on that one. And I do, I really sort of love Millet a little bit because I see things in him that I recognize of myself. I would never claim that I achieve anything near what he achieved. But just that kind of, I want to work in a million different things. I want my hands in a bunch of different pies, busy, busy bee thing. I get it. I don't know that I'm done with Frank Millet. There's a non-zero chance we'll get a more in-depth version of his life on the show in the future because I do find him really interesting.

• 3:24Holly Frey?

  Now it's on to graffiti.

• 3:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 3:28Holly Frey?

  There is an article that comes up a lot in the history of spray paint. It was written in the New York Times, like more than a decade ago. And just as we have, I think, referenced on the show, if you ever just want to be like, man, humans will fight about anything, go to like the New York Times Cooking page or any of their social sites and watch people argue about the recipes. The same thing happened on this article about the history of spray paint and the reference to graffiti art.

• 3:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 3:57Holly Frey?

  Because a lot of people wanted to grouse and say, you cannot put those two words together. To which I say, that is baloney. There is a lot of amazing art in graffiti art. Not all graffiti is art, but graffiti art is a thing. But it was just fascinating to watch people dig in. And some of it did boil down to, is it just because the young people do it that you don't perceive it as art?

• 4:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well.

• 4:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  And there, there are connections between graffiti and black culture also.

• 4:30Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 4:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  There's a racism element.

• 4:32Holly Frey?

  Oh, 100%.

• 4:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  Um, and like, I super get it. If you own a business and somebody is tagging your door or your window or whatever, and you don't want them to be doing that, I understand that that would be a very frustrating experience. But there are graffiti art projects that are beautiful. And also, like, I think there are people on the converse of that who will see graffiti and think that means they are unsafe. And those two things are unrelated.

• 5:12Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I mean, in some, I mean, there's a whole thing to break open here. And I, part of me is like, should we do an episode on the history of graffiti? And I don't know is the answer. But like, there are, are interesting discussions to have there, some of which are, you know, in the case of graffiti art, there are instances, to speak to your point, that some people see it and feel like they're in an unsafe place, or like, it's a bad neighborhood.

• 5:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:40Holly Frey?

  In some cases, those are grassroots efforts to bring life and some sort of beauty to the neighborhood.

• 5:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:50Holly Frey?

  Like, obviously, there are tags that are not meant to be beautiful, and that's fine. But there are a lot that are really, really cool.

• 5:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. One of the places that I see graffiti the most frequently is on commuter rail trains inbound to North Station in Boston. And what I am seeing it painted on is like, derelict rolling stock, like, train equipment that is not serving a purpose anymore.

• 6:19Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 6:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  And otherwise, what would be there is just a deteriorating piece of train machinery. And now it's a deteriorating piece of train machinery with stuff painted on it.

• 6:32Holly Frey?

  Honestly, the stuff painted on it might be holding it together in some cases.

• 6:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 6:37Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I mean, the, sometimes paint will reinforce things a little bit in a way that, like, will prevent rust from hitting a certain area. The other thing that all of this made me think about, though... Was sort of the, I don't know that it's irony, but that Frank Millet invented a paint sprayer, was an artist, never thought about its potential application for art. Like, if you could travel back in time and hand that man an airbrush, what would his brain do? What would he make? Something beautiful, something beautiful. It also, talking about all of this and looking at people arguing about graffiti art, made me think of my youth, of course.

• 7:17Holly Frey?

  There was a trestle near where I grew up that like, it was a rite of passage for many people to go spray paint it. But those weren't often like beautiful art. It was like literally someone writing like, Ginny was here. It was not really, you know, and it would get painted over periodically. And sometimes people in the community would complain that it had gotten painted over, that it was part of like, the, you know, youth culture of the area. Listen, I graffitied some, not very much, not there, incidentally, but somewhere else. I, of course, picked a weirder place.

• 7:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  Earlier this summer, we've talked about how I spent a couple of weeks away from my desk, doing some family stuff. And I was staying in a very rural part of North Carolina. Just to give sort of an example of where, like, there are two Dollar Generals between my parents' house and where I was staying. Before you get to a grocery store that is not a Dollar General, that's sort of like,

• 8:23Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 8:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Just to sort of set the stage of where we were. And I will say, I did not feel I could be myself in the environment where I was staying. Not at my parents' house, my parents are great, but like, out in public where I was staying. And afterward, leaving, I was flying out of Raleigh Durham, and I met up with some Raleigh Durham area friends for brunch before heading out. And seeing a bunch of like, very affirming graffiti in the bathroom at this restaurant, I was like, I feel so relieved right now to be in a place where even the things that people are writing on the bathroom walls, I feel more at home with.

• 9:09Holly Frey?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw some similar graffiti when we were in Rome.

• 9:17Holly Frey?

  The other thing that I just want to say in all of this is that I am grateful for all of these people that develop spray paint because I sure have used a lot of spray paint in my life.

• 9:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:26Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I mean, I do so many, you know, artsy things and I have made some big honkin' weird costumes that required spray paint. And I have spray painted a lot of things for my house. We have our little Star Wars cantina downstairs. It has a lot of greebleys in it that have required spray painting at some point. I feel like I have had spray paint hand more times than I can count, just when your hand makes the claw because it's been spraying so long. I love those little trigger nozzles.

• 9:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  I was gonna say, do you ever get the little trigger, the trigger thing to help?

• 9:59Holly Frey?

  I do, but then sometimes it just, you know, if you're doing it at scale, you're still gonna get pain. It's just a different flavor.

• 10:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  I also feel like sometimes the little trigger thing affects your control a little bit. And so depending on what exactly you're trying to do, it can make it easier to depress the thing, but more difficult to control what you're aiming at.

• 10:21Holly Frey?

  Yeah, sometimes. Some of them are pretty good, but then like you just get the like palm grip ache instead of the

• 10:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:27Holly Frey?

  ouchy finger ache.

• 10:31Holly Frey?

  Yeah, it's, it's very, it's all fascinating to me. And I like the idea that, you know, many, many minds had to come together to get us to the point where we could just run to the hardware store or the craft store. I mean, when I think about how amazing it was touted that there were 25 different colors and I'm like, now there's like stuff that has, you know, chroma shift flakes in it that look different colors from different angles and like

• 10:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:58Holly Frey?

  every color of the rainbow and beyond. And I love it. Love it. Spray paint the world. It's the best. I'm also, I'm gonna, I'm gonna draw ire.

• 11:09Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 11:09Holly Frey?

  This is such a contentious issue. I deeply dislike

• 11:16Holly Frey?

  Wood grain.

• 11:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 11:19Holly Frey?

  So I want to paint things that are wood. I know that many people get irate when they see like antique furniture that's been painted.

• 11:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:29Holly Frey?

  Not me. Paint right over it, baby. Make it pink, make it purple, whatever. If it were a very finely finished piece, I wouldn't do that, but I also wouldn't buy that for myself.

• 11:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 11:38Holly Frey?

  But I will go into an antique store or a thrift store and find a very old piece of wooden furniture and just paint it some pretty color.

• 11:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. This is not exactly the same thing, but it does connect to the episode when you were talking about whitewashing the basement. I did not really know until seeing one of those historical reality shows where people pretend to be back in time. And I think this was one that was about the building of a castle and I did not refresh my memory about what the title of this was. But one of the things that they were talking about was like you would have the castle with these like dark stone walls. And sometimes not very big windows because you wanted it to be defensible.

• 12:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  Not have big open spaces that your siege, your siege could have people besieging you, just shooting arrows through there. And one of the things they would do was whitewash the walls. And I didn't really know that because most historical sites that I have been to that have had some kind of like castle element, the walls have not been whitewashed. It's just been very dark on the inside.

• 12:46Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 12:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  And the before and after difference of whitewashed versus non-whitewashed walls was incredible. I was like, I've always imagined that this space would have been dark and gloomy and foreboding, but with all the walls whitewashed, it's actually nice.

• 13:04Holly Frey?

  Yeah, yeah. And that also, you know, prevents things like mildew growth and

• 13:09Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 13:09Holly Frey?

  bacterial yuck and all of the things that would make people sick if they were hanging out in a castle fortress for a long period of time. So. Whitewashing. Used in a vernacular in a negative way, but the actual act of

• 13:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  Had a purpose.

• 13:25Holly Frey?

  Putting lime was valuable, is still valuable, still gets done. Anyway, spray paint. I sure love it. Makes me want to go make crafty things, but I don't have time yet.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  First thought is like, wow, how are we going to do all this?

• 13:41Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 15:45Holly Frey?

  We've all done it, tumble down an internet rabbit hole trying to self diagnose. And sometimes doing our own research can leave us more anxious than informed. Your feed is packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge, protein max, detox, track your sleep. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? What's just wrong? That's exactly what Health vs. Hype from the American Medical Association and iHeart Media's Ruby Studio is here to find out. Each episode, Emmy nominated science communicator Trace Dominguez, who's racked up billions of views across PBS, Discovery Channel, and YouTube, talks to doctors, influencers, and real people trying these trends.

• 16:27Holly Frey?

  Not to cancel them, not to hype them more, but to actually understand them. Because when it comes to your health, who you listen to matters. Start asking better questions and listen to Health vs. Hype on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 16:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Guess who's back in the house? The old gays return for season two of Silver Linings, their hit podcast from iHeart's Ruby Studio in partnership with ViiV Healthcare. Just wait until you hear what hosts Robert McMillan and Jess A. have in store this time around. They strut back down memory lane navigating life, love, loss, and everything that shaped them along the way. And as usual, someone just might break into song. From leather bars to bathhouses, dance floors to drag brunch, nothing stays off limits. These are the kinds of insights that can only come from experience. So listen to your elders, honey, and discover the silver linings you can take with you. All sass, zero filter, and decades of perspective from four friends proving that queer joy

• 17:33Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 17:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  We talked about the Dick and Medal and some animals that were awarded it.

• 17:58Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I cried about the Dick and Medal a lot.

• 18:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  I apologize, Holly.

• 18:04Holly Frey?

  She thought it was safe.

• 18:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, well, often when I'm working on an episode, I have a good sense of whether it's going to make you cry. And I misjudged this one because I intentionally leaned toward animals who, some of them were posthumously awarded the medal, but it wasn't because they died while doing the thing that earned them the medal. And I kind of tried to keep the animal harm to a minimum. And so I had thought that made it reasonably safe territory. I was incorrect on this, so I apologize, Holly. And I apologize, Casey, our producer, who is the person who will audio edit the episode.

• 18:45Holly Frey?

  Well, I have to distract myself by thinking about Star Wars so that I stop crying. Yeah, yeah, you know, we cry about all the animal things.

• 18:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  It makes sense. Sometimes I will check with you ahead of time to see if you think something is going to make you cry. And sometimes I am right and sometimes I'm wrong. We all have different things that cause the waterworks to happen.

• 19:08Holly Frey?

  I mean, I cry at everything anyway. I was just telling you, I've been on a kind of grueling schedule as of late and it's going to keep going for a little while. And that makes me very weepy, even when I'm not the least bit sad or emotional. Like, I just have a physical response to being tired that is crying.

• 19:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, yeah. If I am sick at all.

• 19:28Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Like, sick in actual illness or sick just feeling kind of bad. Because like, for example, if I have just gotten a vaccine and it's made me feel a little achy, I might just cry over everything. I remember. I can't remember if I had like a mild cold. I had something, something that was causing me to feel a little unwell. And I turned on My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.

• 19:58Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  And just started weeping over the theme song.

• 20:02Holly Frey?

  It happens.

• 20:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 20:04Holly Frey?

  I, I think I've told, I may have told you this story. After my little surprise gallbladder surgery last year, which went great, I came home and for the first few days, I did nothing but sit on the couch watching Bluey and crying. And I was even like, what is going on? And then like that second day, I had like a late lunch and after that I was like, oh, I'm fine. And it was like, literally like a window had opened and the sun had come out. And then I read that Dilaudid, which is a very heavy hitting pain management drug that they will give you in the hospital, one of the side effects is uncontrollable weeping. And it was like, oh, I guess it just left my system because I'm aces now.

• 20:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 20:46Holly Frey?

  Some of it initially was like that I felt like garbage and it's that thing of like, is this my life now where I don't feel like myself and I feel like I am incapacitated in terms of my vigor not being here and like not being able to engage with the, but that, that had, you know, passed pretty quickly. And then I still was like, why am I still crying? And it was like, oh, it's chem, it's literally chemical. Okay.

• 21:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:10Holly Frey?

  Cool, cool, cool.

• 21:11Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Fascinating. One of the things that we talked about in this episode was the, the influence that the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals had on the world of veterinary medicine in the UK, which we have a whole episode on like a brief history of veterinary medicine. I can't remember if that's already been a Saturday classic or not off the top of my head.

• 21:36Holly Frey?

  I don't remember either.

• 21:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, we talked some about like the, the shift in focus from large. Farm animals, especially horses, but also cattle and sheep. Too more of a focus on companion animals. And there's a lot that went into that. Some of it had to do with how many people were living in rural areas and had a cow or a horse or whatever. And how many more people were living in urban areas and instead have pets? It was connected to how people thought about animals like dogs and cats and pets. It was also related to the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals.

• 22:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  Establishing this idea that yes, these all, these animals also deserve care, including veterinary care. One thing that we didn't really get into that was discussed in a couple of the things that I read for this episode was that at this point, there was a shift in some of the, what goes under the umbrella of animal rights advocacy. And how prior to this, a lot of people, a lot of whom were women, who were advocating for animal welfare, a lot of them were advocating for like anti cruelty

• 22:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  laws to, you know, outlaw people who used working horses in their, in their daily worlds to, to, you know, not allow cruelty to, toward those horses and to not allow cruelty to smaller animals either.

• 23:14Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 23:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  And at this point, a significant portion of like the animal welfare advocacy shifted toward providing veterinary care for animals. And that just sort of being a shift in the mindset of what animal welfare and animal rights advocacy meant.

• 23:36Holly Frey?

  Yeah. And now we'll go to the emergency vet and stay up all night with our creatures.

• 23:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Holly Frey?

  We've all done it, tumble down an internet rabbit hole trying to self diagnose. And sometimes doing our own research can leave us more anxious than informed. Your feed is packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge, protein max, detox, track your sleep. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? What's just wrong? That's exactly what Health vs. Hype from the American Medical Association and iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio is here to find out. Each episode, Emmy nominated science communicator Trace Dominguez, who's racked up billions of views across PBS, Discovery Channel, and YouTube, talks to doctors, influencers, and real people trying these trends.

• 24:30Holly Frey?

  Not to cancel them, not to hype them more, but to actually understand them. Because when it comes to your health, who you listen to matters. Start asking better questions and listen to Health vs. Hype on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 24:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Guess who's back in the house? The old gays return for season two of Silver Linings, their hit podcast from iHeart's Ruby Studio in partnership with ViiV Healthcare. Just wait until you hear what hosts Robert McMillan and Jess A have in store this time around. They strut back down memory lane navigating life, love, loss, and everything that shaped them along the way. And as usual, someone just might break into song. From leather bars to bathhouses, dance floors to drag brunch, nothing stays off limits. These are the kinds of insights that can only come from experience. So listen to your elders, honey, and discover the silver linings you can take with you. All sass, zero filter, and decades of perspective from four friends proving that queer joy

• 25:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  only gets better with age on the podcast that never gets old. Listen to Silver Linings, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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• 28:02Holly Frey?

  My last trip to the emergency vet was very comedic in the end. It was scary in the moment and then hilarious because, as I've said, we adopted several new cats this year, one of whom is very hard bonded to me. And there was one night where she was just like,

• 28:18Holly Frey?

  breathing really rapidly and it scared me and I,

• 28:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh.

• 28:21Holly Frey?

  I, I wasn't sure what was going on. I sent a video to the telehealth thing that I have through my veterinarian's office. And the vet that I spoke with was like, oh, this does look troubling. You should take her to the emergency vet. And we went and I hadn't, you know, I had had her like two months at that point. So I didn't know all of her personality quirks. And we went to the emergency vet, we ran a million kajillion tests. We did x-rays, we did all the things. And it really came down to the fact that she had kind of, she had really bad gas and gave herself a panic attack essentially. Because she was uncomfortable.

• 28:59Holly Frey?

  She's a chip off the old block, but.

• 29:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 29:03Holly Frey?

  She's a hoot, that cat. I love her. I love her. I love her. And I mean, I'm sure, right? This is the kind of story that I tell someone like my dad and he's like, that is ridiculous.

• 29:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 29:12Holly Frey?

  Why, why did you spend all that money? Why did you, again, it's because it's my, my little schmookey baby, not to anthropomorphize animals. I don't need her to be a baby. I need her to be a cat, which I love. Yeah, it's very funny. So this idea of the progression of veterinary care being not initially part of having a pet to where we are now just tickles me.

• 29:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Yeah. I have become sort of more aware of how many people keep snakes as pets. Of course, I have known, people have snakes as pets.

• 29:48Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 29:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  But how many people have snakes as pets? And also don't live in a place where there is a veterinarian who treats snakes.

• 29:59Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so not having access to any kind of like emergency or urgent care for their snake when something is clearly wrong. And I see stories about this and it stresses me out a little bit. And I have to remember, I don't, I don't have to read this, this person's forum post about what's, I don't have to, I don't have to read that.

• 30:21Holly Frey?

  Are you into snakes or are you scared of snakes? Or indifferent to snakes?

• 30:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  I find snakes interesting. I have never been really scared of that. I have for sure had experiences where like a snake startled me.

• 30:37Holly Frey?

  Yeah. I mean, my husband startles me sometimes. Anything can startle you.

• 30:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  So when I was a kid, you know, ha, being in the, this would have been like late eighties, early nineties, and we had this idea of the latchkey kids who were coming home and letting themselves in.

• 30:55Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 30:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  I had a key to the basement door of the house. And there was some logic for why I was entering the house after school through the basement and not through the front door. And I don't remember what that rationale was, but I was making my way around the side of the house. And there was a flower bed back there that had stopped to be, being actively maintained as a flower bed. It only had a couple of things in it and was otherwise just bare dirt. And there was a little, like a garter snake or a black rat snake, like some non-venomous, totally normal to have around snake.

• 31:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  But I saw it out of the corner of my eye and it startled me enough that I leapt backwards

• 31:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  like I was in a cartoon. So anyway, I, I am not afraid of them. I do find them interesting. I do also find some of them unnerving enough that I like looking at them to just sort of, you know, keep myself acclimated to the fact that snakes are cool and they're good to have around. But I, I get a little stressed out sometimes with the number of people whose post about their snake is like, my snake is sick and there's no vet to take it to.

• 32:10Holly Frey?

  Yeah, that would suck.

• 32:11Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, which is just a thing to keep in mind if you are bringing an animal into your life.

• 32:17Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 32:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Is veterinary care accessible?

• 32:21Holly Frey?

  Yeah. That's a biggie.

• 32:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. A lot of people focus on like being able to afford veterinary care, especially when it comes to things that are like expensive veterinary procedures. But there's also just like, is there a vet? That you could take it to.

• 32:37Holly Frey?

  Yeah, both of these are important factors.

• 32:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I enjoyed working on this episode. I had just, as like I said in the introduction to it, just the, the longer I worked on Buck versus Bell, the angrier I was. And then I was like, we're gonna do some cute animal stories. And yes, there's animal peril, but also we're gonna talk about some good dogs and cats and pigeons and, and a horse. If you want to learn more about pigeons, Rosemary Moscow has the guides of pigeon, pigeon watching that we mentioned, a number of other books. So lots of stuff from her if you're interested. Whatever's happening on your weekend, I hope it goes great. If you have some animals

• 33:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  in your life, I hope you're able to love on those animals. If they like to be loved on, if they like to be observed from afar, have fun observing, observing your animals from afar. We will be back with something brand new on Monday, but before that, we will have a Saturday classic tomorrow.

• 33:49Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 34:04Holly Frey?

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