4.7 Trillion Missing?! The Government’s Biggest Cover-Up Just Got Exposed | The Tom Bilyeu Show

Welcome to Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu. In this episode, Tom and co-host Drew explore a wide range of captivating topics with their signature insights. From government spending mysteries, like the missing $4.7 trillion at the treasury, to the call for an audit of Fort Knox, they delve into the complexities and inefficiencies within governmental systems. The episode also examines the role of cryptocurrency, including the volatile world of meme coins and the surprising involvement of well-known figures like Elon Musk and the president of Argentina. The conversation touches on the potential and perils of AI advancements, highlighting breakthroughs that could redefine our future, while addressing ethical concerns surrounding its use. In a more personal segment, Tom and Drew discuss love, betrayal, and consequences using an unexpected viral video as a case study. Lastly, they tackle freedom of speech and political dynamics, focusing on recent events in the US and abroad, including Germany’s controversial actions against online expressions. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Government Inefficiency and Mismanagement 05:25 Critique of Big Government Politics 07:43 "Complexity of Lending Systems" 11:02 Gold, Bitcoin, and Strategic Reserves 14:02 Fields Medal: Mathematics' Prestigious Award 19:41 "AI-Driven Game Development Revolution" 21:02 Embracing and Enhancing AI Tools 25:41 Intelligence and AI in Game Design 28:50 Quantum Physics: Observer's Universe 33:17 Impact Over Effort: Storytelling's True Value 34:31 Anime Industry's Creative Cost and Opportunity 38:35 Dog's Emotional Experience 40:22 "Careful Criticism of Trump" 44:28 Free Speech Paradox Reality 48:09 "Responsibility in System Critique" 52:11 The Ultimate Betrayal: Affairs' Impact 53:09 Narrative Performance and Vengeance 56:57 "Relationship Struggles and Future Regrets" 59:34 "Peace Defined" CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://landroverUSA.com https://landroverusa.com/ Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com https://www.vitalproteins.com/ and entering promo code IMPACT at check out iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACT when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu Tax Network USA: Stop looking over your shoulder and put your IRS troubles behind you. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit https://tnusa.com/impact ButcherBox: Choose either grass-fed ground beef, top sirloin or organic chicken breast to get free in every box for an entire year. Plus, get an extra $20 off your first box when you use code IMPACT at https://butcherbox.com/impact ******************************************************************************** What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business: join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business: see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call  Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox: sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ******************************************************************************** Looking for more inspiration? Check out The best Serial Entrepreneur podcasts https://podcast.feedspot.com/serial_entrepreneur_podcasts/?feedid=5651453&_src=f1_featured_email#show_more_btn from thousands of podcasts on the web and ranked by relevancy, authority, social media followers & freshness ******************************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT athttps://cms.megaphone.fm/organizations/0482bfe8-8502-11ed-af5d-3bdc320068d7/podcasts/0a41f61a-9ddf-11ed-9eb7-dbb3a40775f5/episodes/8ac68366-8a85-11ef-bb65-abca3ffdcf54/www.twitch.tv/tombilyeuwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ******************************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ******************************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Grok3 drops and Elon thinks it's on track to win a Nobel Prize. Meta is proving AI can read minds and energy dominance gets an EO. Ashley St. Clair gets an Elon baby. And Germany does its best impression of the modern Gestapo as they arrest people for, you guessed it, memes. Drew, believe it or not, this is real life.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  We are here, man. 4.7 trillion. Like, that's not a small number.

• 1:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:53Tom Bilyeu?

  And we should clarify exactly what that means. So. Uh, everything that the government spends, just as in your own house, you have a field in which you can say, this is what this expenditure is for. And 4.7 trillion dollars worth of stuff has nothing written there. So they made that an optional field. I want you to imagine when you sign up for an account, like it's all required, Drew. Like you gotta give them everything, the security code, your address, all that stuff. And the US Treasury made it optional to say what the expense was for. And the number that that racks up to is 4.7 trillion dollars. That's so crazy. Now, I don't know over what period of time that is.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, but even if that's from the beginning of time, Drew, that's a lot of money.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  I can't tell if there's like a level of ignorance or if this is just really like they don't know. Like I'm, it's, it's getting, it's getting ridiculous. Cause I know it's one thing to cancel a contract. It's one thing to make the U-turn on DEI, but filling in a budget item, I feel like that wouldn't be that hard. So do you think that the government is just, this is its first time being under the spotlight? Or do you think it's just this level of incompetence?

• 3:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, I think it's both. I think it's this level of incompetence and because nobody's put a spotlight on it and thusly made the demand that we're going to make this better. And then, uh, because that demand has never been made, then it's just allowed to go on and on and on and on and on. Now, listen, the government is insanely complicated and I do not want this to sound like it's easy. But there is an idea in business called velocity made good. It is the thing when people talk about why are some entrepreneurs like Elon Musk able to do just incredible things? And other entrepreneurs are not able to get their company going. Something like 96% of all businesses fail to reach.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Is it a million dollars? It's a distressingly low number. And velocity made good is a nautical term and it comes from angling your sails in a way that you're able to capture the energy of the wind and point your vessel in as close to a straight line as where you're trying to go. You often have to tack back and forth in order to get the wind and get the momentum going. But the idea being that there's a big difference between generating a bunch of energy. So running the government, like there's just a lot of money flowing through the system and actually generating momentum, like accurate directional momentum based on that energy. And when you see.

• 4:21Tom Bilyeu?

  That level of incompetence of not doing something as simple as marking down what exactly is this expense for, you begin to understand why everybody thinks of the government as this incredibly plodding thing, that it's like the DMV at scale, that this is not a well-run organization. There's no evolutionary pressure for the organization to run well. Because unlike a business, which you either can pay your employees or you cannot, the government has two tools at its disposal that will make sure that it can always pay its employees, no matter how incompetent the employee is, no matter how incompetent the government is. They can by force extract money from you, known as taxes. They can literally put you in prison if you don't, and they can print money.

• 5:02Tom Bilyeu?

  So even if they're not able to create an environment in which the people can be so productive that they make more money than we spend for all of our government services, they can just make money up out of thin air, which people have heard me talk a lot about.

• 5:18Tom Bilyeu?

  And not only is that horrible in that it makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, without asking people's permission, but you also end up with a government that is wildly inefficient and becomes the barnacles on the turtle that end up drowning the turtle.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  It's ridiculous. And I'm more nervous about it because I feel like the more we uncover from government, we're going to see that it's one thing to expose the media. It's one thing to show that, okay, 60 Minutes was lying. But it's another thing to show that, wait, the government isn't as efficient and isn't as honest and like lied to me about the drones in Jersey. But like, at least make sure like the, the, the systems are right. At least make like, at least make sure we're not running on analog. Like, I'm starting to figure out that like, maybe our defense system is still a green screen like back in the day. Like, it's, I'm just nervous what else Doge is uncovering as they continue this process.

• 6:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Which is why I think it is a very good idea that we're doing this. It's also why you're hearing the people that are not in power. I always, for some reason, I feel weird saying the Democrats because I don't want to make them the villain. This is all a part of the human psyche. And when the Republicans aren't in power, they do the exact same thing. But when the team that isn't in power is just squawking about all of this stuff. Now, I do think it's twofold. I think, one, they're not in power and so they're going to be against everything the Republicans do. But then, two, when you look at the, DC voted something like 92 or 94% for Kamala Harris. So there is a way of doing business that the current Democratic Party has embraced. That is a very much bigger government, spending more money.

• 6:52Tom Bilyeu?

  And it is a philosophy that I think is absolutely horrific for the American people. So very interesting that once you make it a national election, you've got a very different outcome than when you look at the one area that's going to be most benefited from a tremendous amount of the government. Sorry, they're going to benefit tremendously from the government being as big as possible and pumping a lot of money through the system. It tells you that the government itself as an organism is completely out of step with the rest of the nation. And so seeing people now that happened to go under the moniker of the Republicans, adopting what back in the 90s under Clinton was the same strategy, which by the way was winning. They took us from at the time, the biggest deficit to the biggest surplus.

• 7:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And my hope is that we're able to do that again.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Well, Elon's seen one empty budget item. He wants to make sure something else isn't empty. There's been a call on Twitter to have him audit Fort Knox. It started with an exchange from Zero Hedge on Twitter. He said, "It would be great if Elon Musk could take a look inside Fort Knox just to make sure the 4,580 tons of US gold is there. Last time anyone looked was 50 years ago in 1974."

• 8:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh my God, that's so crazy.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Then Elon responded, "Surely it's reviewed at least every year." It should be, it isn't. I'm gonna be honest, that gold's not there. I don't think it's there. What's your, do you think we still got it?

• 8:12Tom Bilyeu?

  No.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  I don't think we got it either.

• 8:14Tom Bilyeu?

  My, my instinct is that we have loaned that money out. It's not that I think it was stolen. It's that the way that you can loan it out to somebody who can loan it out to somebody, you can loan it out to somebody.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Kind of like how banks do, like?

• 8:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, it's called rehypothecation, I think. So it's crazy. People just don't understand the nature of the financial system. That so much of it is essentially vaporware. It's you have on your books that somebody owes you a brick of gold and therefore you count it as I have this asset. But when there's, you know, eight people in a row that- All say that they have that same asset. Shout out to Peter Schiff. Uh, who gave the example of imagine you have a candy bar. And you loan that candy bar out to somebody who loans that candy bar out to somebody who loans that candy bar out to somebody who loans that candy bar out to somebody who finally eats it. And now you've got a whole bunch of people that are like, wait, where's my candy bar? And so now the person who ate it's got to go buy another candy bar to repay, to repay, to repay, to repay. So.

• 9:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, my gut instinct, I don't know this, this is pure conjecture, but my gut instinct is some very distressing percentage of that gold. Is not physically in Fort Knox, which is how the system works. So I don't want people to be like, oh my God, this fraud, this theft. This is the system and you're. Now potentially seeing, cause what's happening right now, there, this is going to be a very complicated. Answer. And so I want everybody to understand this is only one reason amongst many others, why this is happening. But right now there's like a bunch of people just doing a run on gold. Uh, and so you get a literal, you have the potential for a literal run on gold where you can have enough people put in their IOU for that candy bar.

• 9:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Only for everybody down the line to be like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, there is no candy bar. So you finally get to the guy who's like, damn, I ate it, but I'm going to have to go. Like buy a new one. And if they're unable to get it, now you have a whole bunch of people that are like, wait a second. Where the, the asset that I have is your debt and that person is saying, I can't pay that debt. And so this is exactly how banks collapse. I think it'd be, people will be freaked out. Just as when they look at commercial banking, they'll realize that most small banks, and let me scrap that. Every bank on planet earth is functionally insolvent. And that's why.

• 10:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Bank runs are always this looming fear and the reality is just not everybody needs their money all at once, but the second people have a reason to say, I want my money back. Uh, if enough people do it at once, you run into banking crisis. And this was the whole thing. This is what about a year ago when Silicon Valley Bank went under? Uh, so.

• 10:53Tom Bilyeu?

  If we find that we have that with Fort Knox, you're gonna have a lot of people feel very insecure. And you'd never want people feeling insecure about the banking system.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  I was gonna say this for Conspiracy Corner, but since we're talking about it, I'm gonna bring it up now. This is coming from Walker America on X. He said, here's what's gonna happen. Elon pushes Trump to audit Fort Knox. Then the audit reveals that there's less than 500 tons of gold. The, what's supposed to be in there is 44,580.

• 11:18Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think it's 44,000, right? It's 4,800 and something?

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, 4,580.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Trump realizes China and Russia have way more gold than the US, but very little Bitcoin. Trump issues EO for Strategic Bitcoin Reserve citing national security. Money printer go brrrr and US buys as much Bitcoin as the market will sell. Price of gold collapses in BTC terms. China and Russia realize Trump got the jump on them and start trying to acquire Bitcoin. Price of gold collapses further. Peter Schiff is admitted to a mental hospital. What do you, what's your take?

• 11:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, I mean, that's a Bitcoiner, so it's like, look, that's, that is a plausible scenario. Like if those, you know, between each of those points, there's probably seven steps that have to happen. So, um, but it is a very plausible chain of events. I just doubt very much you're gonna see anything like that. It'll be a bunch of fractaling trees. So it'll be like, um, you audit it and there's less gold, but it's not 500. Trump realizes that China, Russia, and a bunch of central banks have been buying up gold. And, but very little Bitcoin. Maybe he looks at our strategic reserve or looks at the amount of Bitcoin we have and goes, let's make it a strategic reserve.

• 12:29Tom Bilyeu?

  But he doesn't turn on the printer because I like to think myself and a whole lot of other people would start screaming, holy hell. If he's printing money and I don't give a fuck if he's doing it to buy Bitcoin. Cause now you are saying, dear poor people, fuck you. We're going to buy a bunch of Bitcoin and we're just gonna take the purchasing power from you. That would be so outrageous. Uh, wow, would myself and a lot of other people be excruciatingly angry. Uh, that, that's the kind of thing that, that I yell and scream about, that I go to Washington DC, stand on somebody's lawn. Saying yo, this is fucked up. So yeah, I really like step five alone would be would unleash holy hell from a lot of people.

• 13:14Tom Bilyeu?

  And it is literally the most cynical thing in the universe to say money print to buy Bitcoin. Because that makes it sound like Americans are just going to default be advantaged by it, which they're not. And even if like, look, I want to see America win. But if you let me think about this, would the global poor get battered? The global poor doesn't directly own US debt, but their country does. It just seems like it could be devastating.

• 13:41Tom Bilyeu?

  It's immoral to do. So whether it ends up being devastating outside of the US or not, it's immoral. And I would have to hear so much more about like, what is the US doing? With the Bitcoin that it buys, because look, there is.

• 13:56Tom Bilyeu?

  There is a fantasy that you could spin about, we're going to do this. It'll become part of this strategic wealth fund, not strategic, the sovereign wealth fund for the US. And we can make this good for Americans. It's too fucking risky. That feels like Sam Bankman Fried to me. No, no, no, don't worry. I know I'm spending your money, but I'm going to spend it in good ways. Now, the bad news is, I think if you count the receipts, Sam actually did it. Like if they had just left him the fuck alone, he would have been able to pay everybody back. But but everybody agrees, you can't fucking do that. And so if you can't do it at the company level, you should not be able to do it at the country level. It's just as fucking risky. So ipso facto, that's where it was at. Oh, if you guys were here for the episode prep, you would be in on that inside joke, which reminder to join us live for episode prep.

• 14:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays at 8am.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Awesome. Next in AI news, Grok 3 released. It shows some of its benchmarks dominating DeepSeek, Gemini and O3 Mini. And Elon made an interesting assumption of what he sees a future of AI happening.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Earth and Mars transit can occurs every 26 months. The next, we're currently in a transit window approximately. The next one would be November of next year, roughly.

• 15:10Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, stop it for a sec. I want to make sure that I know what the Fields medal is, but I'm almost certain it is for novel solutions. To mathematics, which if I'm correct, I'm just going to search on Grok.

• 15:27Tom Bilyeu?

  If I'm correct about that, alright, the Fields Medal is a prestigious international award given to mathematicians under the age of 40 for their outstanding contributions to the field of mathematics, often described as the Nobel Prize of mathematics. It was first awarded in 1936 and is presented every four years at the International. Okay, uh, so this is for doing something that hasn't been done, like you've got a breakthrough or an insight into mathematics that, um, that is really helping to shape the entire field of mathematics. Now imagine that's coming from AI. Now imagine how scalable that is. So you can just scale AI, scale, scale, scale, scale, scale. To give you an idea, Jensen Huang at Nvidia has made for $500, something that runs their entire AI.

• 16:11Tom Bilyeu?

  So now, how many of those can you spin up? A million? More? So now, more in fact. So now you're dealing with something where you can put that level of intelligence, especially as the inference side of this gets better. So the model, hard part, inference, far easier, certainly cheaper. And if you have a million people who are capable of winning the Fields Medal, dude, this is how things started advancing really quickly.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  You put them on like in a room type thing.

• 16:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so imagine, like when I've said, look, AI on a long enough timeline drives energy costs to zero, but when I say that, I mean, it's going to have to have breakthroughs. And the reason that I get, um, very excited about anybody who talks about AI should be maximally truth-seeking, meaning getting to the physics of things, like actually understanding the nature of mathematics, understanding the nature of physics. Now you can have breakthroughs that we haven't had before and breakthroughs unlock things. They make things possible that weren't previously possible. So now you, you really do enter an age of abundance if we're able to do that. So, um, anyway, hit play, cause Elon goes on to make a, he makes a crazy claim, I think,

• 17:24Tom Bilyeu?

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• 19:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Earth and Mars transit occurs every 26 months. We're currently in a transit window approximately. The next one would be November of next year, roughly.

• 19:54Tom Bilyeu?

  I so wanted the other guy to answer that, like whether it's, does he really think it's gonna happen that fast? Because, look, Elon is notoriously terrible at timelines. But even if he's off by a factor of five, off of his outside estimate of two years, that's only 10 years, man.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  In 10 years.

• 20:12Tom Bilyeu?

  In 10 years, to have a million, 5 million, 10 million of these brains capable of generating those kind of insights? It will require inference to get very good. But, whoa, that's crazy advancement. That's 20,000 years of advancement in an afternoon. Like, really, I mean that literally. So crazy.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  I'm looking forward to it because I actually want to see the problems get solved now. Like, I like that AI can order me a pizza. I like that it can stay on hold for me. But now, it's like, okay, if you can win the Fields Medal, if you can get the Nobel Peace Prize, I need six of you to get together in a room and teach us how we can get to Mars. I need six of you to get into a room and teach us how we can drive, like, how we can have clean water in third world countries. Like, let's actually start turning the corner with the intelligence. So I'm excited for that part of it. If winning the medal means that they will then be able to solve those novel problems.

• 21:04Tom Bilyeu?

  They will be able to. I want you to imagine, this is the AI in Africa that's gonna teach you how to do clean water. You get access to an iPad that, whatever. Like, I'm not saying those are free, but you can get an outdated one that's pretty cheap, access a model that's open source, which my boy Imad Mostak is working as furiously as he can to make sure that everybody, everywhere, all at once, has access to AI. You go and say, how do you build a well? Boom, it gives you the answers. And then you go, okay, 17 of those parts we don't have here. Please scour the web for the cheapest version of that. And it will give it to you. Or, connect me with the NGOs that'll donate the money. Whatever, whatever, whatever. And now, you're able to be self-sufficient. It teaches you how to do it.

• 21:47Tom Bilyeu?

  It helps you find the cheapest parts or recycle things. Like, you give it a photo of like, here's a broken down moped that we have. How do we turn this into clean water? It will actually be able to do that. Not today, but like, when you've got, if this is true, and a few years from now, let's just go all the way to 10. 10 years from now, you've got something capable of winning the Fields Medal. Dude, show it a picture of the seventeen pieces of rusty metal that you have and it's gonna tell you exactly what you need to do, what to look for for the highest likelihood of striking water. I mean, it's just nuts.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  And I know you're excited for this next announcement because Elon also threw his hat into the game development ring. So we're gonna see that progress on, you know, solving physics problems, solving math problems. It seems like he also wants to scale Grok to solve, help him develop video games, which is gonna definitely help with the Kaizen project.

• 22:37Tom Bilyeu?

  We hope. So I don't know what he's gonna do. So I don't know if he's gonna close sources. With Grok anyway, he said, every time we get a fully stable version, we'll open source the previous version. So once Grok is fully stable, Grok 3 is fully stable, then they'll release Grok 2. So he said he thinks that it'll be stable, I think, within six months. So six months from now, Grok 2 becomes open source. I mean, that's, if he does that on the gaming side, that would be absolutely mind blowing. Now, again, I don't know exactly what their approach is gonna be. Are they making really basic games? So the example that they gave was a mixture of, what's it, the Jeweled and Tetris? And that kind of stuff is a very simple form of gaming.

• 23:22Tom Bilyeu?

  So I don't know if that's what he's trying to do, like solve really simple problems, or if he's going to get it to create a physics engine inside of the game. Because if you get all your rendering handled and your physics engine, if you can create, rig, animate,

• 23:43Tom Bilyeu?

  drop into a physics engine all with AI, dude, anybody that's tried to develop a game understands it takes a whole lot of people, a whole lot of time. And if you could just go,

• 23:57Tom Bilyeu?

  give me a physics engine that matches Fortnite with the aesthetics of Elden Ring, whatever. And now it's like, boom, you get the characters move just like they move in Fortnite, but you have the difficult sort of puzzle solving against the enemies. You have an Elden Ring or the scale of the world, like whatever you want to tell it. Oh my God. Drew, if it's doing it based on physics, that's the thing. Like anybody that- And I found this here at Impact Theory. People's base assumption is, oh, I try it for five minutes. It doesn't give me an output that I can just copy and paste. AI is broken. No, no, no. You've got to go in. You've got to work with it. You've got to understand its weaknesses. You have to know what it does well, what it does poorly. Work around it. Know how you combine different AIs. Know how you bring your own intelligence, your own taste to it.

• 24:42Tom Bilyeu?

  To really make it great. But over a weekend, I went from like, dude, the AI is trash. It can't output anything usable visually to like, hold the fucking phone. Now I'm able to get this really close to things that it would take us, let's say, a week to do. I'm in a single prompt. That's nuts. So if they're able to not only make that kind of physics engine, which I'll make as a stand-in for all the different elements I just laid out, and they open source it, or like with Unreal Engine, the way that they charge is basically, they only make money if you're making money. Now you're getting into something where you can generate incredible games very fast. Iterate on them to make them deeper and deeper and deeper.

• 25:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Let your own community through UGC fractal those things so that they can do like a branching leaf off of that. It's, it's going to be an incredible moment for micro communities. Because you'll be able to have a micro community that is as content-rich as only the biggest games are now.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's interesting to see the future of gaming with AI, but they're already starting. Cause we just seen this Massimo tweet that shows researchers placed a thousand AI agents inside a Minecraft server and they developed their own civilization with government, culture, and economy. Run by California-based startup Altera, the project that had AI agents collaborating to create virtual societies.

• 26:10Tom Bilyeu?

  This is crazy.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  This is like, this is the part that kind of gives me the heebie-jeebies with AI. Is that like, is it? Is it duplicating what humans do, which is create government, culture, and economy? Or is that the best way that things have been done? So I'm trying to figure out, are they just kind of copying us with their own free will? Or is that like the super intelligent thing to do inside of this like platform?

• 26:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, here's how I know we're living in a simulation. When you start building a game, you realize you're just trying to replicate everything in the world, even if you want to make it alien. So the temperature of the planet is wildly different and therefore the flora and the fauna are wildly different.

• 26:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Maybe you even come up with something different than DNA, but you have to have, you, you suddenly realize that the way the world is, is how you have to build it. So, meaning you keep wanting to push the intelligence deeper and deeper. I want to be surprised. I want to be surprised. And so you start going like, this is one thing we're doing in Project Kaizen, which is the video game we're building. You start saying, okay, I want, my whole thing is I played Fortnite and Minecraft obsessed with both of those games. And I tried to make a biome inside of Fortnite, uh, inside of Minecraft, where I took a mountain biome and made it a plains biome, because different things happen in those places. And so I thought, oh, if I cut down all the trees and make it like a plains biome, it will trigger plains biome like stuff happening.

• 27:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And I realized it doesn't work. They've obviously put somewhere deep in the code, once you're a mountain biome, that's it forever. No matter what surface looks like, you are a mountain biome, period and story. I was very disappointed by that because I wanted to terraform. I wanted to cause all this downstream chain of things to happen, just like we can in real life. So in real life, uh, if you plant a bunch of trees, it's going to change the ecology around you. So greening of the deserts, we've seen people do this kind of thing. Uh, playing in Fortnite, I beat it and I just get an umbrella, very disappointing. I want the thing that I win to really matter. So, okay, cool. We're trying to bring those two things together. And so now you start saying, I want to push that intelligence down as far as I can. I want to be surprised. I want things to happen that I never would have predicted.

• 28:23Tom Bilyeu?

  And so you start going, okay, well, what if things mated, right? So the reason that humans use sex for mating instead of cloning, because we could have, there are organisms that clone. So why don't humans clone? Because you realize that, um,

• 28:39Tom Bilyeu?

  As you drive this stuff deeper and deeper, deeper down, you end up with a gazillion microbes living in your gut. Now, you don't really think about it in your day to day life, but if you're programming this thing and you're trying to push the intelligence down as far as you can, you start saying, well, I want different things to happen if this creature eats this thing versus this thing. And I want different things to happen if they live in this region, they encounter these microbes and they eat this thing. And so then what different cultures will arise? Maximum, I want to be maximally surprised, right? And to, to get that kind of, I never would have imagined this. You've got to push that intelligence down as far as you can, all the way to, like humans, you're essentially a bunch of cells competing antagonistically against each other, but you

• 29:20Tom Bilyeu?

  come together in this hole that you call Tom or Drew and you have this common objective for a period of time and, and then you die, right? So as you start doing game development, you just constantly are going back to, well, what do we do? What do we do? What do we do? How far down can you push the intelligence to get these incredible, beautiful, surprising things like space travel? And you just go, oh my God. You're, you're literally, by thinking from first principles, you literally find yourself replicating this world. Now, not one for one, but you find yourself going, oh, these questions have already been

• 30:02Tom Bilyeu?

  answered and the answer is the world that I see. And so when I look at something like this, they're not necessarily trying to build civilizations, but as you code the AI, you're saying to yourself, okay, well, how do I get the AI to do things that are functional and they don't just like walk into a wall forever? So then you start going, okay, well, I've got to give them incentives. They've got to want one thing over another. Okay. Well, what things should they want? You start saying, well, if they don't cooperate, they'll just kill each other. So, okay, we've got to have some way of getting them to cooperate. And so now all of a sudden you're like, oh my God, I'm reinventing organisms. It's fucking crazy. Now I get it. We have the frame of reference of a human. And so there's a lot of our assumptions that just come from what we already are.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But, buddy, like even think about, you want to build the universe.

• 30:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. Well, for, uh, how do you get atoms to coalesce? You want them to replicate like that's going to be more interesting. You want a high change environment, right? So it's like, well, how do you get a high change environment in a way that yields something interesting? And so you start coding all these rules. And that's why when people look at the universe, they go, hold on a second. There are certain variables that are so precise that if those variables are changed even by a tiny like .0000000001%, like the whole universe falls apart. That's so precise. No way. This is somebody click clacking on a keyboard somewhere. Now that's obviously not literally true, but it does make you wonder.

• 31:34Tom Bilyeu?

  So anyway, to answer the actual question you asked, when you're trying to push that intelligence lower, you end up realizing that we function like the very things that when you're just trying to create something interesting emerges.

• 31:52Tom Bilyeu?

  So they're emergent properties, Drew.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  I was gonna push on the creator thing.

• 31:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Please.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Cause it's like you said, it seems like there's somebody behind everything like just click clacking. Or maybe there's somebody who put it all together in the beginning.

• 32:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, like God?

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, okay. I'm not religious. I don't believe in God. Now, when I say that, what I mean is the, the vision that people have captured in religious texts is almost certainly not accurate. Now, okay, let me give you one stat why I think that's true. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you're not living in a locally real universe. But that is true and we can prove it. Meaning a very simplistic way of saying this, that is going to make all the physicists roll in their fucking graves. But is to say that you don't render the universe unless you're looking at it. So if you were the only person in the universe and you turn away from something, that thing is

• 32:52Tom Bilyeu?

  literally a probability cloud. Okay, quantum physics. When you look at it, then now it has to collapse down into a single position. So it goes from superposition to like a known measured, measured position.

• 33:06Tom Bilyeu?

  That's not mentioned in the Bible.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  It's in a different way. It's not called physics and it's not.

• 33:10Tom Bilyeu?

  But that's what I'm saying. The only thing I push back on, there's clearly something. We, why something instead of nothing? That's the ultimate question, right? We exist. We know there's something, even if I'm a dream in somebody else's head. I know it exists.

• 33:28Tom Bilyeu?

  So I don't think we've captured it in the right way. And I don't want my imagination limited by the very useful thing that is religion. But set that aside. I want to remain open to what the real answer is. So I stand in awe of the universe, knowing there's something, some, we could call it a creator, whatever. I just don't think that humans know what that thing is.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Have you seen A Man in Black? I think they nailed it at the end, when, at the end, when they say that our whole galaxy is just a marble in a very big light.

• 33:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I think it was our whole universe, wasn't it?

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, like, like, it's crazy.

• 34:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Well, it's not all sunshine and rainbows and AI world. This is a rendering from that imitates Studio Ghibli's iconic classical style. People hate it. The comments aren't night, aren't nice.

• 34:17Tom Bilyeu?

  I want to get naked, smear myself in butter and just watch this over and over and over. Not everybody likes this, Drew, but I do. This is so incredible. Get the butter, Drew.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  I didn't need that visual because we didn't need this.

• 34:30Tom Bilyeu?

  We all need, we all need that.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  We didn't need the butter.

• 34:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Especially the butter.

• 34:37Tom Bilyeu?

  This is amazing.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  But this is going back to what we said off camera, like. It, art is supposed to inspire other art. So can you own a art style? Like, is that supposed to be you? Or is that the ultimate compliment that people want to duplicate it?

• 34:51Tom Bilyeu?

  I get why people are furious. It, there is a guy named, uh, Mache Cusiera, who we worked with back on Neon Future, the comic book. And he did some art for Steve Aoki and I. Whew, breathtaking. That dude is unbelievably talented. And I won't lie.

• 35:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Over the weekend, he sent me some stuff that he's doing with AI. And I was a little sad that this was no longer him, like painstakingly making these incredible works of art. Now, he'll be the first to tell you, he's just stealing from 90s anime. He's just literally, his style is 90s anime style. But like, there is something a little different about it. And I couldn't love his style anymore if I tried. I mean, just unbelievable. So. I'm glad that he was able to learn from 90s anime artists and turn that into something new. There's no doubt 90s anime people would look at him and be like, "Bro, you're just ripping us off." Which he would also admit.

• 35:54Tom Bilyeu?

  But he put enough on it that it's beautiful and knowing that a human did it and all that. I, there is a part of me that still responds to that. So I get where people are coming from. Of like, you don't want to see somebody now be able to go, "Dear AI, make me that thing that looks exactly like Mashay Kusiera." Just like people are saying, "Hey, I hate that AI is able to make something like Miyazaki would make it." Which is the style that we were showing there from Studio Ghibli. And so I get it. The reason that I want to smear myself in butter because I am so turned on by this is that it unleashes a level of efficiency.

• 36:30Tom Bilyeu?

  So there is a four-second shot from one of Miyazaki's films, I don't remember which one. That took an animator a year to do. And I, I understand the human impulse to be like, "This is such a work of art that, that they would suffer and work that hard to create that thing." But the reality is when I watch it, it goes by in four seconds and like, whatever. So I would much rather people be able to tell stories that get inside my soul and make me see the world differently. And so I want to unleash them to where it becomes about taste, it becomes about commentary, it becomes about doing the thing to me that I wanted to do, which is to manipulate my brain chemistry, give me an insight, make me feel something. That's what I want.

• 37:12Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I get the sideshow of it all is like, "Oh, this was made by a human and it was really hard." And there is something there. There is value in that. But the vitriol of this, I think, misses the point. And the same people that get mad, seeing anime in particular, being so faithfully recreated, are the ones that are like, "You gotta pay animators more. There's no money. There's no money. There's no money to pay them more." Like, this is why all the animators, specifically in anime, have to do everything in consortiums. Because it's this niche, beautiful, incredibly painstaking, incredibly expensive art form. And hang tight, we'll be back in just a moment.

• 37:57Tom Bilyeu?

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• 38:39Tom Bilyeu?

  My link gets you an exclusive 30 days free instead of the usual 14-day trial. There's no credit card payment needed. Just head to pipedrive.com/impact to get started. Again, that's pipedrive.com/impact and you can be up and running in minutes. All right, let's dive right back in. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can either grind the humans into the dirt because it is so hard to do that you just have to pay them like essentially less than minimum wage to work 36 hours a day. So we can all like consume this shit like candy. And I'm gonna bet some of the people squawking the loudest watch this shit at like 1.5. Some of them even watch it at 2X because part of anime culture is to just take in every episode that you can.

• 39:23Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like, listen, I think the far wiser way to look at it is this is gonna unleash creativity. And now an artist who would have otherwise like toiled in obscurity for 20 years, not been able to make ends meet, is now gonna be able to tell these breathtaking stories. So I would love to see some way where when people's work is so clearly being aped, like this literally just looks like it's straight out of Miyazaki's DNA, get financially rewarded for that in some way or that this becomes open source. I don't know. We have to think about what the final answer is. But being mad that people are doing it is the wrong take aggressively.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just wish we could get into people's brains sometimes. But that's what Meta's trying to do now.

• 40:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Heyo, this one's crazy.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  They just published two papers showing that they can decode dots into text with 80% accuracy.

• 40:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Drew, it's 2025. Will you read that sentence again, please?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  80% accuracy is crazy to me. Eighty percent like and it's not invasive I that like I hit the I hit the lead there with that like it's not like they have to drill into your mind and like plant something you're just wearing sensors and they can get it eighty percent like that's better than Siri sometimes like this is crazy but

• 40:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Siri is a just emotionally intellectually crippled child like good lord Siri needs an upgrade big time

• 40:50Speaker 01

  I know we got with everything that Elon's doing Neuralink but I feel like this could be a game changer I'm thinking about you know kids that can't are kids who are like late speech I'm thinking about kids who might be on the spectrum people who might be neural neurologically divergent this can essentially be a way to communicate with them straightforward with like this can this can change lives like this is kind of crazy

• 41:12Tom Bilyeu?

  This is crazy yeah this this one's gonna be big so they're calling it thought to action so you think a thing and then the it's as if you typed on the keyboard or moved the mouse or whatever it's this is going to be truly unbelievable but it also gets dystopian really fast so this is one of those ones where we're gonna have to have some kind of laws about how this can be used against you so just like you have the right to plead the fifth and say I'm not gonna do anything that's self-incriminating you should have the right to refuse to let this be used on you and because man

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Oh like oh like in like a confession type situation or like interrogation

• 41:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Put the thing on him show him images say whatever whatever and see how they respond that that is uh that gets dystopian and dark very very very fast so look this stuff isn't all upside we do have to be thoughtful this is gonna require some like imagine somebody hacking into that shit like woof I do not need somebody hacking into a stream of my thinking not a fan but being able to have something like this that allows um I mean it could allow things like if you can do it on humans you can do it on pets like imagine being able to effectively communicate with your pet like this is nuts like the dog they're looking at you their tails vibrating like crazy and the AIs like oh they want the ball

• 42:38Tom Bilyeu?

  they want the food they you know whatever whatever

• 42:41Speaker 01

  But, okay, so like I know when I think, I say it in my head and then I kinda, there's that like process. Do you think dogs are talking in their head?

• 42:49Tom Bilyeu?

  No, definitely not.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  So you think it's just like silence?

• 42:52Tom Bilyeu?

  I have you-

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Cause you said read the dog's mind.

• 42:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Have you ever gotten into a flow state?

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Like when you're just like locked in?

• 42:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, you're just doing the thing. You're not thinking, Bruce says a quote, "I kick to the point where I don't think kick, I just kick." So I think that's where animals are. They're, they're having a, as far as I can tell, they're having a very rich emotional life. They are, in fact, my daughter was, um, she was hurt last night, like emotionally hurt. And she did a naughty thing and so she got locked up. And when I let her out, she was just sad and she made me come pick her up. And then took her into the bedroom to see her mommy. And then it was like slowly she warmed up and wanted kisses. And I'm like, this dog is having an emotional experience. So it's not like they're thinking in English.

• 43:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Although they may know words like, I know that treats, my dogs know that word. So they possibly are thinking something like that. But it's more just imagery, emotion, feeling, but to a scanner, it's just pattern. So it's not like the scanner sees words, the pattern just, or the scanner just sees a pattern that it knows, oh, every time you think that, you then type this. Cool. I now know that pattern represents the word, whatever, whatever. When they're playing a video game, the Neuralink guys, I know when you think this way, you want to move left or you want to move right, whatever, whatever. So it would be like that. Anyway, I didn't mean to make this about telepathy with dogs, but just there are incredible applications, there are also very dark sinister applications that we will need to protect ourselves from.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  All right. And this one you kind of threw on my radar. Um, in world affairs and politics news, Trump tweeted yesterday, or a couple of days ago, "He who saves his country does not violate any law."

• 44:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Yikes.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's this like saves makes it weird for me.

• 44:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Bro, I'm gonna need some definitions.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:45Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm gonna need some context, cuz let me tell you, I am the biggest, Trump is not Hitler. Trump is not Hitler. I cannot say that emphatically enough. Trump is not Hitler. But this is the kind of logic that gets people in trouble.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  That's.

• 44:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Like cuz Hitler would have said, well, I save my country. What, what the problem is, everybody? You just stuff a few million people into into concentration camps. You gas a few, we're good, right? The outcome, bro. So you gotta be real careful with that. So, uh, look, I love a lot of things about Donald Trump. I am very excited about what he's doing to the government and at the same time, I trust him as far as I can fucking throw him. And not even that he's lying, though I'm sure every fucking politician ever has lied nonstop. Uh, it's that this is flawed thinking and you have to be psychotically careful. This is why I say people need to distrust themselves. Uh, and Trump is just a guy who does not distrust himself.

• 45:39Tom Bilyeu?

  So I have enough distrust for the both of us, Donald. Uh, so this is where I want people to understand, I'm not on a team. Like somebody put in the comment section yesterday, Tom, you're rapidly losing your, um,

• 45:53Tom Bilyeu?

  say leftist, your left credentials, something like that.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Like the membership card.

• 45:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, you can have it. So I'm not trying to be on a team. I'm trying to say that it is, it is figure outable. Whether given, um, action leads to positive outcome or not. We've seen people run this experiment before where it's like only the outcome matters. Nope, bad. First of all, who the fuck gets to do the read on the outcome? So anyway, that level of thinking is problematic. Uh, I don't think it's unique to him in any way, shape or form. But that's the kind of shit that we have to be on the lookout for. 234 million views. Holy shit. People felt some kind of way about this. Damn. So, uh, yeah. Yeah, this is the one that you look out for, Drew. That is the one that you watch out for.

• 46:42Tom Bilyeu?

  This is why we want checks and balances in our government. Yay. Uh, if this is the, um,

• 46:51Tom Bilyeu?

  The like downside, everything's trade offs. So we get a guy like Trump, not afraid to go in, break things, move fast. Like finally fight for the average American worker, love him for it. And if the downside is, there's also parts of his thinking that are insane and could cause real fucking problems. That's where we go. That's why the founders of this country were like, hey, we have to protect against this kind of shit. So I don't think he's evil, but I do think that that is a dysfunctional way to think.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  I'm just glad that he has the right to think it and that we embrace free speech.

• 47:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Facts.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Where in other countries, not so much. Germany just had a 60 Minutes special last week that just aired that literally is following them arresting people for memes they post, tweets they post, online activity.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  I can't make sense of it because it's one thing, again, we talked about this last week with the Kanye Twitter rant where it's like, okay, it's one thing to go calls for violence, like I tweeted, they're gonna assassinate Elon Musk because of after the Pentagon. AI might have read that like, I'm trying to assassinate Elon Musk. I got blocked. Cool. I'll be in Twitter jail. I'll take that L. But the things that they're cracking down on, on like memes and they're like, it seems as if, it's one thing to say the Nazis should come back. Let's go burn a village down. It's another thing to just re-chair like a picture. Like is it, there has to be a line here, right? Like this can't be normal. This is weird.

• 48:19Tom Bilyeu?

  This is so far from the line. This is crazy. This, this isn't sliding towards totalitarianism. This is totalitarianism. It's, look, it's degrees of, it's not like they run the whole country in this sort of ham-fisted way. But this is terrible. This isn't bad thinking. This is bad policy. This is aggressively bad policy. And there, somebody said, we don't have the clip, but somebody said, the Holocaust is because of free speech. Bitch, please. That is the craziest shit ever. That is a moronic thing to say.

• 49:00Tom Bilyeu?

  What happens is, it goes like this. You have free speech and in the world of free speech, you start putting forward hateful rhetoric. Or you start saying, hey, we should crack down on people that are posting memes that we think are mean or hurtful or whatever. And so then people go, oh, I really like that idea. Yes, we should take free speech away from people. And then you institute a totalitarian government to make sure that people don't have free speech. But let's be clear, it was not the free speech that forced people to show up at your door, raid your house and put you in jail for what you said. It was the fact that they use free speech to then get in a position where they could take it away from you. So this is the messy reality of being a human.

• 49:42Tom Bilyeu?

  There are always in a human society, there are always going to be problems like this. And this is why at Impact Theory, we have something that we call principles. This is a Ray Dalio concept where you give everybody dots. You say whatever you think is true, so the entire company can criticize me and say I'm doing a bad job as a CEO. That's perfectly fine. Nobody's going to get fired for that. I need people that help me remove my blind spots. And I say, you can say anything you want. You can campaign for anything you want. The only thing that you can't do is actually eliminate principles. So no matter how much you hate it, principles is going to stay. So it's foundational, it's bedrock, it's not going anywhere. Even if all of you vote and say, we hate this, it's got to go. Nope, it's the one hard and fast. So because it is the thing from which all of the other good things spring.

• 50:25Tom Bilyeu?

  So this is why freedom of speech matters so much is so foundational. Now, I'm perfectly happy with the limitations that we have. No incitement for violence, terror recruitment, blah, blah, blah, fine.

• 50:39Tom Bilyeu?

  However, this is getting stupid. And the UK is doing this shit. Germany is doing this. This is nuts. And this is exactly how you get people to shut up and not say what they think is true. And if you want to know where that goes, watch the HBO docu-series Chernobyl. Oh my goodness.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Such a good show.

• 51:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Unbelievable.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Such a good show.

• 51:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Unbelievable. And that's what happens when you force everybody to lie.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Talk about a pump and dump. Um, he retweeted the Libra coin. It went up, then he sold off.

• 51:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 51:14Speaker 01

  Left a bunch of bag holders. You talked about the dangers of meme coins already. Um, is he in the wrong for this? Do you think that like?

• 51:22Tom Bilyeu?

  You live by the meme coin, you die by the meme coin. Uh, meme coins, I think meme coins should be legal. I think everybody should be able to do what they want with meme coins, but if you fuck with meme coins, this is their nature. Meme coins is gambling. Meme coins is gambling on culture. I believe you should absolutely be able to gamble on culture. I think you should be able to gamble on anything you want. And does that mean that the, that people who are either extremely emotionally reactive, meaning they get very excited and they can't stop themselves from taking an action, or they don't have the cognitive horsepower and therefore are going to get uh, themselves in trouble? Is that going to happen? Yes, it is. Um, do I think that meme coins should have some regulation around it?

• 52:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, light touch, but I, I think it is pretty disgusting that the way it works when you have money printing is you must buy assets in order to get ahead. They've created a, I'm glad, I'm glad. This is what I'm about to say is a good thing. Uh, a whole bunch of very smart people over the last whatever hundred plus years have created the capitalist system of like the stock markets and things like that as a function of raising capitals. Basically saying, I know people are going to gamble. Let me gamble, let, let me let them gamble so that companies can acquire that capital and do incredible things with it. It's beautiful. It has pulled people out of poverty. It is just gorgeous in the extreme.

• 52:47Tom Bilyeu?

  But when people start acting like they have no responsibility in that system, that's where we have the problem. So we both have, uh, they're forcing you into the system by inflating your money away. Uh, they won't acknowledge it as gambling, which is why I beat this fucking drum to the point where my community gets mad uh, that I refer to it as gambling. Case and fucking point with uh, meme coins. Now, should a president uh, lose sight? Of the fact that they are the president and their words carry extra weight. I think that they should have an internal locus of. They should have an internal value set that says, yeah, I probably shouldn't do that. If I were him, I'd be like, bro, don't do it.

• 53:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Just like Trump should not have done, should not, not, not from a, I don't think it should be illegal. Fine, fucking do it. But act, it's just, it's not a good look. It's not a good look like I was gonna wear a white glove today. And I knew people would have a stroke. I think it looks cool and I am going to do it at some point if for no other reason than troll people. But there's a difference between something that's just bad taste. Versus something that should be illegal. So there should probably be disclosures of some kinds. People know what it is, who owns what, blah, blah, blah. But guys, meme coins is quite literally a thing you do to catch the pump and get out before the dump. That, that is the game of meme coins. That's what they are. They are, they are tied to nothing.

• 54:13Tom Bilyeu?

  It's just a very, not true. They are tied to cultural energy. And you're saying I have a better read on this cultural energy than the next person. I'm a big influencer and I can get people to be really excited about this thing. And I get them excited and then I'm gonna either slowly or quickly. Get out. And so what I don't understand is how people keep acting like that's not the fucking game. So anyway, I had my early experience with all this where I thought that NFTs, which aren't meme coins, but. That that kind of thing was going to attract collectors. And I just learned, oh, cool. It doesn't attract collectors, it attracts gamblers. Now I know. And the world just has to wake up. This is the reality. So I think it's a bad look for me, Lay. It's at least at my distance, I don't follow him super closely.

• 54:58Tom Bilyeu?

  It's the first thing that I was like, act. I hate everything about that. But again, don't think it should be illegal. I think he's right in that you wanna fuck with meme coins? Good luck. You're probably gonna lose your money. Like 95% of people, I think this is a. If this isn't literally true, this is so close that we'll just call it directionally accurate. 95% of people lose their money, 5% make their money.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, all my meme coins are red, so I might be in that 95%.

• 55:26Tom Bilyeu?

  You're you're try you have to pay so deep attention to culture. You've got to be in all the private groups about what people are talking about, what they see moving so that you can move fast. It's the game. I don't like it. I'm not gonna play it. But whatever, I think people should be able to, but I also think they should own their L's.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Speaking of owning L's. Let's just watch this this clip. No context, no context. Let's just watch it.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  I didn't hear the background noise at first, though.

• 56:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow, okay. All right.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Okay, right.

• 56:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Everything about this makes me sad. It makes me sad. Okay, let's walk through why this makes me sad. Okay, cheating on your spouse, I think, is horrible. What makes love the wonderful thing that is marriage, committed relationship? What makes it wonderful is that life is hard and you're now gonna have a partner in all the ways that that word carries weight. You're gonna have a partner that is gonna help you, you're gonna help them. You've got somebody for whom, at least until you have kids, you're their number one. And it's one of the primary mechanisms by which we bring kids into this world, one of the greatest gifts that you can give to humanity.

• 57:05Tom Bilyeu?

  When you betray that trust by the ultimate betrayal for both men and women for different reasons is

• 57:15Tom Bilyeu?

  For women, it's it's more hardcore if it's emotional. But to have an affair, for men, it's more painful if it's sexual. But having that affair is, it takes the foundation upon which all of that, like joint living and the sacrifices that you make for each other and all the compromises you have to do. And it recontextualizes it. And it says, oh, wow, all those times that I really thought this person was giving me a look that said, I'm special to them. I'm their number one. It wasn't real, like it was a performance. And once you make a performance of your own narrative of what your life was, that that is a deep pit.

• 57:57Tom Bilyeu?

  So I hate that. I also hate that she just wants to punish him. So she is in a moment of vitriol, vengeance. And read Man's Search for Meaning, there's, there's an incredible moment in that book where Auschwitz gets liberated. And they're walking out of the camp and the guy that wrote the book said, he was talking to one of his fellow prisoners, who said, by the end of tonight, I will have the blood of German soldiers on my hands. Meaning I'm gonna go murder somebody today. I'm not waiting a week or a month today. And he was like, that's the wrong response, the guy that wrote the book. And he's like, if, if you give into that, if you let your hate define you,

• 58:42Tom Bilyeu?

  and you go seek vengeance, that's what you're telling yourself is the most important. If, on the other hand, you instead go look for those that you love and you immediately begin to reconnect to love again, to seek the beauty, you've got a shot of getting on the other side of this. And so I get her devastation and I get the impulse for vengeance. I have the impulse for vengeance. This is why I say, don't trust yourself. So I hate that about it.

• 59:12Tom Bilyeu?

  I also hate that they're trying to stay together. And so.

• 59:20Tom Bilyeu?

  He's allowing himself, he, he made this mistake, but he's allowing himself to be torn down and humiliated by the person that he's living this life with, for reasons I understand. But he's allowing himself to be diminished as an act of penance, to be punished, but it won't work. Because what she's leaning into is the vengeance, the hatred, the anger. And the only way a couple's ever gonna get to the other side of this is if you can forgive and like actually let it go. Now, I'll be honest, this is just me. I think you break something that can't be unbroken when fidelity's involved.

• 1:00:04Tom Bilyeu?

  And I don't understand why somebody would want to try to move forward. In that context, I would just say devastating. But the thing that makes the relationship worth all the sacrifices is forever gone. Now, if people have done it and gotten on the other side, great, they're just not, they don't have the same frame of reference I have. So I love it and if people have been able to do it and their lives are amazing, I'm totally here for it. I certainly don't have any moral judgment. But when I look at these two, I'm just like, this is going to be fucking horrendous for the next god knows how many years. This is not gonna be a loving marriage. This is gonna be her essentially testing how much pain and humiliation will he tolerate?

• 1:00:48Tom Bilyeu?

  And she will someday realize it will never quench what she feels.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  It's never gonna help.

• 1:00:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, because what she wants is somebody that loves her and will sacrifice for her and be there for her and all of that. And it's just, she's never gonna get that by punishing him. So anyway, I just hate, hate, hate everything about that.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like this entire video could be summed up as like an emotional decision. Like, yes, you got your licks off. Yes, he's walking around embarrassed. Yes, you're yelling at everybody, but you look messy. Like, we would call this in the culture, like, you look like a goofy. Because now, you're airing dirty laundry in front of other people, and you think you're making him look bad, but you're pushing his baby, you're getting in the same car, you're driving home. So you did all that just to embarrass your man? You did all that just like, so you're burning down your house. So to your point, it's like, what you actually want, this is not gonna give to you. And from his perspective, maybe, you know, he's trying to stay for the kids. Maybe he's trying to do it like, maybe he thinks of pentons. There's some noble thing on the other side of that fence.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  But as somebody who has like, walked away from a relationship, and like, we had to figure out the kid situation and all that, that's not gonna be satisfactory. Because now he's just gonna be a shell of himself for the rest of his life. And he's gonna be that guy that comes home, sits on the couch, watches TV, and emotionally checks out.

• 1:02:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  I don't, yeah, I don't see the happy, sunshine, healthy relationship result from this. It just, it doesn't make sense to me.

• 1:02:17Tom Bilyeu?

  No way. Hard pass.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Man, well, shout out to him. Good luck. Hope they figure it out.

• 1:02:22Tom Bilyeu?

  No doubt.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  That's all I got.

• 1:02:23Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, did we cover everything in the intro, though? That would be my only thing. I wanna make sure.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:02:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Precious little time, but if we miss something from the intro-

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Elon baby mama, that's the only thing missing.

• 1:02:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Ah, okay, there it is. Uh, so really fast on the Elon baby mama. Okay, oh, man.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Never thought I would have, you would say those words on the show in that order.

• 1:02:45Tom Bilyeu?

  I, I love that people have kids. I think it's amazing. I don't think there's anything to celebrate in somebody having as many children with as many different people seemingly as possible. Yeah, that doesn't land for me, but I'm not a baby out with the bathwater guy. So I may take what works, discard the rest. I will not be taking relationship advice from Elon. Uh, however, as an entrepreneur, woo wee. As a government auditor, he's got my vote. But as a father, as a partner, maybe not so much. Maybe not so much. So, there it is. Teach your own, do what you're gonna do. Uh, actions have consequences. Them's are all the truths.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  And then somebody said the fact that the announcement came over Valentine's Day weekend means that Elon was somewhere else, and she just decided to just torch it. Be petty.

• 1:03:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Uh, you know,

• 1:03:37Tom Bilyeu?

  There it is, boys and girls.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Look at that. Billionaires, just like us all, right?

• 1:03:40Tom Bilyeu?

  No, aren't they just?

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  We all have that one crazy ex-girlfriend, right?

• 1:03:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Aren't they just?

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  You know, just like the rest of us.

• 1:03:44Tom Bilyeu?

  He's just got eight of them, so, you know, it's all right. We're collecting them at this point. Okay, everybody, speaking of things you should be collecting, if you haven't already subscribed, make sure you do that. Make sure you're joining us live for episode prep at 8:00 a.m. Pacific Time, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday. We spend about four hours engaging with you guys, prepping for the episodes. So if there's stuff you want to see us cover, that is how you're going to be a part of it. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

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