Elon Musk vs. Sam Altman: The $97 Billion AI War - Who Will Win? | The Tom Bilyeu Show

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:28Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:37Speaker 01

  Starting off in AI news, JD Vance was over in Europe. He gave a great speech. I like JD Vance's confidence in it. Do you think the Europeans finally got it? The world is starting to catch on about AI?

• 1:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, the world is definitely caught on about AI. I don't think anybody is hiding in their hole anymore. But from the perspective of the way that the European Union approaches the world, they very much are a safety first approach. And it is the diagram of how many, I forget, it's like north of $10 billion valuation companies there are in America versus the European Union is crazy. It's an order of magnitude more in the US. And I think that J D Vance is right. When you look at the world and you think that it it needs to be a nanny state that we have to like be cautious above everything, which I get the impulse.

• 2:32Tom Bilyeu?

  But when you steer your policies around that, you end up just managing the decline of one of the greatest spots in the world for the last thousand years. I mean, it's it's so much of the innovation was driven by Western Europe. And to see that now declining as rapidly as it is, is really sad. And so when you look at the European response to A I, which is death by regulation. You look at the U S and China, which are very much being hyper aggressive in terms of trying to be first in the market to really dominate this. What I see is people that understand that this is a competition, which people get very weird.

• 3:14Tom Bilyeu?

  When I point out how much competition there really is in the world, but A I is a competition. And if if artificial super intelligence is real, people need to understand the level of dominance that's going to give whoever gets there first. And when you start thinking about super intelligence, beating somebody by a week could be the equivalent of beating them by a thousand years. I mean, it it's remember, we're talking about super intelligence. I'm not saying general intelligence. This is something where I'll remind people that Einstein was only two point four times smarter than a by definition moron. And you get that huge discrepancy. When you start talking about something that's 10 times smarter, 100 times, a million times smarter.

• 3:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, all of a sudden, you understand what's really at stake here.

• 4:03Tom Bilyeu?

  That is what I think people need to hear in what J D Vance is talking about. Now, you don't want to sweep safety under the rug. You don't want to say that safety doesn't matter, but that isn't how you're going to capture the future, the upside of A I. The way that you're going to capture that is really by saying, OK, we need sensible regulation. We need to look at the alignment problem, but we need to be focused on innovation. And that is a message I don't think Europe is constitutionally capable of implementing. It just for the last, however, many decades has not been their play. And it's so ingrained in the European psyche at this point, they're not going to turn it around. And so despite what noises they were making about like, we really get this and the game's not over and we're still in it.

• 4:49Tom Bilyeu?

  It's just not their approach to anything.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and to their credit, they did announce 200 billion euros in of investment. It's the largest private-public sector investment that they ever done about it.

• 4:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on, so this is, look at what's happening in California. So we've put all this money towards high-speed rails and we haven't built any rails. This is where regulation, and I know you had an epiphany over the weekend about regulation in practice and where the rubber meets the road and how problematic it can start being. It does not matter how much money the European Union throws at this. If they have regulations, it's going to stop it from actually getting implemented.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  That's a great point.

• 5:24Tom Bilyeu?

  So if you spend all this money on all this infrastructure, but then won't let the AI innovators innovate, you won't let them do anything, it will be this massive expenditure for absolutely nothing. And that, again, the effective design of a system is what it outputs. Look at that diagram of the number of, again, multi-billion dollar companies, whatever the exact number was, built from scratch in the US versus what's going on in the European Union. And you will see, they are constitutionally incapable of that level of aggressive creation. So US companies, 68 companies with a combined market cap nearing $30 trillion. This is the US.

• 6:07Tom Bilyeu?

  This includes tech giants like Apple, Microsoft and Amazon. EU companies, 13 companies collectively worth $400 billion. Key players include Spotify, Aiden and DSV. Yeah, and the graph or the the image is the really striking thing. You see what a difference it is because you see the size of the companies that we've created. Now, remember, that size is a proxy for the value that it's added to people's lives, where people are saying, I would much rather have that thing that you've created than my money. That is innovation. And especially as we think about, oh my God, just seeing that is so crazy.

• 6:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Especially when you think about that the way out of the debt crisis, certainly that we have in the US, but even globally, because so many people printed like crazy during COVID, to get our way out of this part of the debt cycle, you either end up in a in a hot war internally or externally, or you innovate your way out of it. There isn't another solution. You can trim and you have to. You've got to doze it. You've got to like, make sure that we don't have to collect as much tax money as we are right now. That's, that is a big part of this.

• 7:15Tom Bilyeu?

  But you're gonna have to innovate. I don't think there is a realistic way out of the crisis that we're in now, other than that innovation. And so if the EU doesn't unlock it, you continue to see what I think is rightfully called a managed decline. That's just the reality of where Europe is.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  I really, I feel it, and you brought it up. This weekend, I was doing like a short film and it was thirty people on set to shoot a twenty, like a twelve minute video. And there were so many different disagreements where the P A couldn't do this because the gaffer had to do it. And you could just see kind of the red tape it took just to like point a camera and shoot at something. And I know film takes a lot. There's geniuses, I'm not going to minimize their efforts. But seeing all these A I generated images that we cover every week on this show, I'm looking around and I'm seeing this room of people, literally thirty people. And I'm like, in a year, it's gonna be what, ten? In a year, it's gonna be five? In a year, it's gonna be, you know, and then-

• 8:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Or one? It's getting crazy. Did you see that Adidas ad that was all A I generated? And people, and it wasn't a real ad by Adidas. It was an artist who was just like, let me create what I wish they would create. And it was like these really cool floral designs. And people are going nuts for it. They're like, oh, my God, like, I actually want that to exist. And admittedly, when you find that sweet spot in A I where you pitch to its strengths, because you can do stuff with A I and it just looks ridiculous. But when you pitch to its strength, it looks incredible. And so to your point about being on set and seeing the quagmire of all the different unions,

• 8:52Tom Bilyeu?

  each fighting for their own thing, all the regulations that you get that accompany that industry, it now is not the time for humans to be this extra burden, this extra problem. It's like you really want to be nimble. Now is the time to be fast, to be efficient, to understand where the world is going in terms of being able to automate things away. And here is the thing that really terrifies me about A I as somebody who cares about the people. I care about the people. I want A I to be awesome for people, humans. I look at this and I say, okay, here is the flywheel that's gonna get started. The more you fear for your job and dislike AI, the more you're gonna throw flags on the field,

• 9:37Tom Bilyeu?

  the more you're gonna try to slow things down, the more you're gonna try to sabotage it, the more you're gonna do strikes and things like that. And that's gonna drive the people that are taking the capital risk to build these companies. And you're going to incentivize them to say, okay, well, when this contract ends or when my time with this employee ends, I'm not gonna replace him with another human. This is just too big of a pain in the ass. I'm gonna now automate anything and everything that I can, which then makes them grab the humans that are getting displaced, makes them grab even harder, throw more flags on the field, create more of a problem, go on more strikes. And that makes them further implement AI. And so you get into this crazy flywheel of the more you resist it, the faster it will come.

• 10:19Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like being stuck in quicksand where if you struggle and you're flailing, you just go down even faster. If on the other hand, you go, okay, wait a second. How do I understand the problems that we're trying to overcome? So even in something just as purely creative and pure expression as making a short film, if you say, okay, cool, we're trying to make this thing that's gonna garner attention, let's assume on YouTube. And, okay, I wanna make this, whatever my role is, if I'm the sound guy, if I'm the gaffer, if I'm the key grip, the first AD, it doesn't matter, whatever you are. I wanna make sure that I show that humans can do a thing that is so valuable that you would rather be working with me, maybe me in conjunction with AI,

• 11:01Tom Bilyeu?

  but you'd rather be working with me than just outright replace me with AI. Because there is a point where people will take a diminishing return on AI, knowing that, not diminishing return, they'll take a lesser result on AI that doesn't create problems, that doesn't sue them, that doesn't walk out, that doesn't do a strike, that, you know, all the things that make it a pain in the ass, make it too expensive to do. And they'll say, oh, I'd actually rather have the AI than the person because even though I'm taking a slight compromise, I don't have to deal with all the other stuff. You want them instead to say, oh, man, these people are able to do something AI can't do. There's a special sauce here. There's something magical. People are not going to even delay AI because I don't think there's any universe in which humans alone out compete.

• 11:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Humans with AI for sure and on a long enough timeline, probably just AI full stop. But they're not going to be able to out compete them. So if I were coaching and I was saying, okay, cool. You want to forestall AI as long as humanly possible. It isn't to go try to cut the wires at the data center. It's to show humans are way more fun to interact with. Humans are way more creative. Humans have

• 12:16Tom Bilyeu?

  artistic instincts and impulses that lead you in weird directions that an AI is never going to be able to do anything but clone and mimic. But right now, man, that that panic just instills in people a strategy to cut the wires, to strike, to do all the things that are just going to cause AI to get put forward faster.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  I feel like this conversation is coming full circle and we're going to get there, but it feels like we would rather have the comfort of the nanny state, kind of going back to the EU where it's like, I guess they were too big and too powerful for so long that the people just got comfortable with like, oh, okay, they'll take care of me. They'll do things. So now when something radically game changing comes around, like, can we survive that? Like, I literally walked into this office today like, yo, this is about to be a coal mine. Like this is, I feel like this is going to be the middle of Pennsylvania in 20 years, like.

• 13:04Tom Bilyeu?

  LA specifically because we're a capital of media.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, like because we rely on humans producing this artistic output where to your point, a studio might not make a billion dollars with AI, but if they make 200 million, that's fine if it.

• 13:20Tom Bilyeu?

  If it only costs them six million, it makes them just insane.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's just, I don't know. I'm, I feel a whole nervousness about this. Don't ask questions. Don't look under the hood. Don't audit us. Like, leave it as it is. Don't change anything. But I feel like this. This change is inevitable, like it's bubbling over. It's almost like you're trying to put Pop Rocks and Coke and then like hide it under the desk. Like it's gonna explode, like you can't.

• 13:45Tom Bilyeu?

  That's really a fun metaphor.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  You can't undo it, I don't know.

• 13:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, Mentos in Coke is a very good example. Yeah, this is coming whether people want it to or not, again, because life is a competition. I, I really can't internalize why that bothers people. Or maybe the, the better way to say it is I can't understand why people fight against reality.

• 14:12Tom Bilyeu?

  You're going to get smacked in the face with what is real and what is true. And it seems far more effective in your life to constantly be self-correcting your own belief system to try to get closer to what is, uh, what is real. And when you use AI, man, it is unbelievable. I showed, I took a still photo of Lisa and was just playing with this app called Pika Labs, not paid by them or anything, but, uh, using that and I made it, she was laughing in the photo and I had the photo turn her laughter into crying. And at first she thought it was real video of her. And then as she started crying, she was like, wait, I know I didn't cry. And so she was like, what is that?

• 14:54Tom Bilyeu?

  And the fact that you can already do that now, like literally with a single sentence of description, uploading a photo in two seconds. It, it's just, this is not the one that you want to fight against. This is the one that you want to say, okay, cool. How do I leverage this? How do I use this in my life? But this is where you begin to realize that culture really matters. And it is a really fascinating and distressing fact of the human psyche that as we become more successful, we get farther from having to fight for literal survival. We begin to vote in the things that make it more likely that will become dysfunctional. And we can't ever step back and go, okay, hold on.

• 15:39Tom Bilyeu?

  I know that this is a time of plenty, but I also understand how this cycle works. I mean, everybody's heard the. Hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times. Like, we all know the loop. So why can't we go, where are we at in this loop? And let's address it accordingly, thinking not only short term, because you can't ignore the short term, but if you just think short term, you end up in this tractor beam where you now cannot avoid crashing into the very thing that you're trying to avoid.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  It's crazy. We definitely can't stop it, but maybe we can lowball it and see if that will do it, because that's what Elon Musk did to Sam Altman.

• 16:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey, look at that transition. I was like, where's he going? Lowball? Yes.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Elon Musk offered 97 and some change billion dollars to Sam Altman for a controlling interest in OpenAI. Of course, Sam Altman rejected, and let's check out the clip.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Do you think Musk's approach then is from a position of insecurity about XAI?

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Probably his whole life is from a position of insecurity, I feel for the guy.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  What do you take about Elon's bid on Sam Altman?

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• 19:03Tom Bilyeu?

  let's get back to it.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  What do you take about Elon's bid on Sam Altman?

• 19:08Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, this, this moment in time where we are able to watch the biggest names in business with just unimaginable amounts of money on the line, play the game of business that is normally hidden behind the scenes out in full public view is beyond fascinating to me.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 19:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so there's a lot that's going on here. So, one, I'm sure that Elon would love to get a controlling interest of OpenAI. And if he could pick it up for just under 100 billion, he probably would. And I don't think he would have any trouble raising the capital. But I don't think that's the real game. The real game is he is trying to batter Sam publicly to take every chance he can to slow him down, to trip him up, to make things hard for him. And as Elon, I mean, the, the most- Most respected businessman on a global scale. I don't care if people like his politics or not.

• 20:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Nobody investing these kind of dollars is going to say, oh, he doesn't know what he's doing in business. Everybody knows this is the greatest capital allocator of our time. He's done the greatest turnaround in business history as far as I know. Literally, the biggest, most successful turnaround in business history is a turnaround of Twitter into X. Just an absolutely astonishing turnaround. And so when that guy comes out and says, without saying it, but this is what your company's worth. At the moment where Sam is trying to raise money at a $300 billion valuation, if I'm not mistaken.

• 20:51Tom Bilyeu?

  It just throws some, it throws a wrench in the gears. Where now at a minimum, Sam is going to have to defend himself and it puts him in a defensive posture to be like, listen, you know Elon, he's just trying to trip us up. We're obviously worth a lot more than 97. But he's now forced to have the conversation that Elon wants him to have.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, he changed the frame.

• 21:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Exactly. And it's like, you've got this guy who everybody wants a little piece of. Not everybody, of course. Nothing is monolithic, but so many people would want to get Elon involved in some way. And so now you can imagine conversations back channel where people are saying to Sam like, hey, can't you guys bury this? Can't you squash it? Can't we do something with Elon? Isn't there a thing here that we can do? Or even, I don't want to compete against Elon. So if you're a capital allocator out there and you're like, do I want to go up against the greatest innovator of a generation? Potentially of multiple generations, potentially of all time, like, do I really want to be in that battle?

• 21:55Tom Bilyeu?

  And some percentage of them are going to say, no, I don't want that battle. Like even somebody like Peter Thiel has just flat said, I would not want to be in the business of competing with Elon. You've had Marc Andreessen, again, one of the most successful capital allocators of our time, saying, I don't like the idea of betting against Elon. So you get all these people that are like, the thing I don't do is bet against Elon and Elon is. Putting down that gauntlet saying,

• 22:23Tom Bilyeu?

  I I am going against this kid, like this guy. It's personal. I am going to continue to chop away at him, both through building a better product and by doing things like this. And you start going, okay, you've got this guy who is very well connected.

• 22:42Tom Bilyeu?

  I know some people have a real beef with how connected he's become, but he's extremely connected. He's unreasonably talented at this thing that we call capital allocation. He's unreasonably talented at just raw entrepreneurship. He's unreasonably talented at getting talent. And I don't know why he reposted this today, but Elon reposted a clip from back in the day where he was talking about his fallout with Larry Page at Google was over recruiting Ilya Sutskever, who is basically credited with being the most important hire at OpenAI.

• 23:23Tom Bilyeu?

  He's no longer there, but the fact that it was Elon that got him there in the first place, suddenly people start going, okay, hold on a second. Elon is a big part of the reason that OpenAI is where it is. Elon has called out, I am going after this kid. And Elon is saying, oh, hey, your company is worth, you know, 97.4 billion. It's just a lot of things for Sam to deal with. To bring it back to where I started, I definitely feel that emoji of the popcorn. And I'm like, and I feel terrible because these are like so high stakes. But it it it's all visible now. We can see it all, whether it's at the government level. And now we're just seeing everything and we're seeing into the books.

• 24:06Tom Bilyeu?

  We're seeing into the way that the sides are fighting each other and how they're doing it. Because social media is bringing all of this stuff to the forefront. It's just an absolutely fascinating time to be alive. And for anybody that is terminally curious and just wants to learn and get better, it's like, whoa, being able to see this stuff is incredible.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  It reminds me when Zuckerberg tried to buy Snapchat and then the guys turned him down for like 100 million, then he turned it on for a billion and stuff like that. So it's it's interesting to see these competitions. And then Zuckerberg ultimately just like copied the story format from Snapchat and that kind of hurt their market share. So do you think that there Sam should worry about that since? Grok, like Elon does have his own AI system he's building. He is a direct competitor with OpenAI currently. Do you think it's gonna get to that? Like, how would you react to somebody kind of making that offer? Is it like, should I negotiate with them? Should I try to counter?

• 25:01Tom Bilyeu?

  No, I, uh, so, uh, listen, this is definitely Monday morning quarterbacking. So, uh, Sam is in a way better position to know what he should be doing here than I am. But as somebody on the outside looking in, here's how I would play it. Sam, you can't flinch. You need to be aggressive. You've got to keep going and try to outcompete. Unless Sam knows something, like if he's hemorrhaging, because they have hemorrhaged a lot of talent. If he's hemorrhaged talent to the point now where he's like, uh-oh, I don't know if I can compete.

• 25:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Then maybe I could see trying to do something, but for now, if he's really got as much technology in his back pocket that they haven't released because they didn't want to shell shock, um, the world by dropping AGI too soon and people freaking out, not knowing how to deal with it. If he's really got some cards in his pocket and he's gonna be able to play them, then this is where you have to step up to the plate, be more aggressive and outcompete Elon and show that like, you're not some rando kid. Like, there's a reason. You, like, if I were in his ear telling him how to think of himself, I'd be like, you were the guy that managed to convince Elon, the greatest capital allocator of all time, potentially,

• 26:12Tom Bilyeu?

  to capital allocate with you, to, um, give you the seed capital, to work with you to build this thing. Uh, you were the guy that they tried to coup from within your own company and you got reinstated. It was like one of the most gangster moves in recent business history. I mean, just absolutely incredible. And so if I were him, I would want to make sure that all of my investors understood, yo, I got this. I'm not gonna be bullied. I'm gonna be able to weather this storm as I have weathered all the other storms that came before. We've got incredible technology that Elon is years behind. He is, he is amazing, but he's not gonna be able to catch up with us. We just have too big of a head start.

• 26:52Tom Bilyeu?

  And by the way, the reason that he's making this bid in the first place isn't just because he wants to mess with us. It's because I bet he tried to train his model and he's realizing, uh-oh, this is gonna be a lot harder than I thought it was. And so he's gonna have a hard time getting capital or, or raising enough capital to see this thing all the way through. And that we're going to be able to use our own AI to continually make that gap between the two companies bigger and bigger. So everybody sit tight, you know, keep eating your popcorn, but I got this.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  And Sam Altman did have a funny tweet that he put out. He said, no, thank you, but we will buy Twitter for 9.74 billion if you want. So to your point, I definitely think they are now just kind of disrespecting each other's companies.

• 27:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is, uh, this is, it's a little sad to see in terms of you've got these extraordinary talents, building these extraordinary things, taking shots at each other. But also, in the age of social media, reality is the greatest reality show ever. Like, this is, you don't need to go looking for unscripted programming. You can literally just look at real life stuff that's happening. It is fascinating.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  It is fascinating, and these responses to Doge have been just as fascinating. We covered the meltdowns last week. There's now been some lawsuits, but Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, they want to take it even further. Let's check this clip out.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  They can unmask CIA officers who've put their lives in harm's way to try and keep our, to try and keep our Americans safe. I want to know who their names are, and I want to see Democratic governors saying, I'm going to do everything I can in my power to use the full faith and to the letter of the law to put you folks in prison. I think what you're doing is trespassing. I think this is a coup. And be clear, just because the new insurrectionist who was elected, you know, I don't believe this is legal. And I'm going to hold the people accountable who are trespassing and are part of a coup accountable. It, to just sit back and say, this is on, this is horrible and this is unlawful. We need to go gangster

• 29:08Speaker 04

  here and say, look, we are not negotiating around this stuff. This is illegal. This is a coup. This is the unlawful seizure of power. We are not going to engage in these bullshit ridiculous arguments over Gaza and Greenland. We are going to hold the people accountable. Here are their names, here are their faces, and we have contacted the local authorities in where these kids live, these young adults, and we are going to hold them accountable.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  It's crazy, we need to go gangster here. What's your reaction to the Doge engineers?

• 29:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this one makes me sad. So there is a reason that we have the balance of powers. I think the balance of powers is very important, and I don't want to see that ignored, and I don't want to... I don't think that the media is out of their minds to say this could become a constitutional crisis. I don't think we're at constitutional crisis. It will all depend on how Trump plays this in the coming weeks. If he just completely ignores all the court orders and just continues to do his thing, then yes, we do have a problem, because you have a judiciary for a reason. I think that does need to play out in the courts. Having read the Constitution, the Constitution's light, man.

• 30:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't think people understand how few words are actually in the Constitution. And so it doesn't lay out like if, a bunch of if this, then that statements. It's really, really Spartan. And so the way that the system works is you create a simple-ish document, and then you let a bunch of things work their way through the court system. And that, I think, you want to let happen. And so there was a ruling, I think in 1803, it's like Marbury versus something. And what that said was basically that the judiciary can check the executive powers. And so they can't just drop an unending string of executive orders and expect that there's not going to be any pushback.

• 31:10Tom Bilyeu?

  If you have a federal judge who believes that this is unconstitutional, they do have the right to say, hey, you gotta pump the brakes. And so I don't want to see that be ignored. I'm the guy that was like, hey, the one thing I do worry about is when you've got... You've got the House, the Senate, executive branch, and legislative branch, all on one side. Like, that makes me a little bit nervous. And that's basically where we're at now. So, I would not want to see all of that lined up. And, oh, by the way, in the lower courts, where it's going to be harder and longer term to get a more balanced, because admittedly, that you have a lot of activist judges, which I don't like. But nonetheless, it's good that we have some checks and balances here.

• 31:54Tom Bilyeu?

  So, anyway, I want to see this play out. But the thing that makes me sad about this is not that, because I remain optimistic that that will be handled well. What makes me sad is the aggression towards these young guys. Like, I don't understand what everybody's beef is with they are working with Doge, which was put together by Trump, which, by the way, is taking an existing department. It was already there, using the exact authority that it already had. And now, all of a sudden, it's making people mad. This was something that was created. I forget the original name, but it was created by Obama. And so, it's like, ah, guys, this is like,

• 32:38Tom Bilyeu?

  this is why you have to be careful of being so combative that people end up doing so many things by executive order. This is a powers, a department, again, that was created by Obama, that's now just being leveraged by Trump. So, it re-tasked, admittedly, but this isn't a new thing. This isn't something that Trump spun up out of nowhere. So, going after the engineers that Trump has put in place via Elon, who then found these young engineers. So, a nice, tight line to the president. Going after them? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. Stick around, we'll be right back after this.

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• 34:06Tom Bilyeu?

  My link gets you an exclusive 30 days free instead of the usual 14-day trial. There's no credit card payment needed. Just head to pipedrive.com/impact to get started. Again, that's pipedrive.com/impact and you can be up and running in minutes. All right, let's dive right back in. Trump has put in place via Elon, who then found these young engineers. So a nice tight line to the president. Going after them? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me. If you have a beef with Trump and the way that he's running his government, then you go after Trump. You don't go after the people that he's asking to go do a job that, by the way,

• 34:50Tom Bilyeu?

  as an American taxpayer, I'm like, why are people mad about this? Like, let's, if we see, not to get sucked into talking points, waste, fraud and abuse, which I assure you, they are using those words over and over and over and over and over and over so that people can easily identify it. But if we really are finding that stuff, you don't want it to stop like it's crazy. So I get it, as we get into the weeds, we're going to be like, okay, wait, wait, wait. This one got caught up. This one should be left to run. It's doing good things. This is not the one that you want to shut down, which Elon has said a gazillion times. When you go into, he doesn't say turnaround, but I'm going to use that language. When you go into a turnaround like this, you've got to cut hard.

• 35:33Tom Bilyeu?

  And then you're gonna see, oops, we cut some things out, some regulations or departments or whatever, that actually serve a function, you bring them back. This is exactly what he did at Twitter. He would cut something and then realize, okay, we need some percentage of this back, and he would bring them back. And look, you do go through a period that is tumultuous, but you can't panic in that moment, otherwise it's gonna be the same as it ever was. And it is very important that I plant a flag for the base assumption that drives my views on all of this, and that is, we are headed towards a fiscal cliff that will destroy this country, all the people in it, and we are racing towards that cliff

• 36:14Tom Bilyeu?

  at 120 miles an hour. And I've talked about endlessly why I believe that. But that drives my thinking on this. That's why, dude, you have to reduce the budget. And that means you're gonna be cutting things. And of course, there are gonna be people who want those things to go forward. But calling it a coup, I'm like, what is happening? This is why he was elected to do this. So, challenge the things you think are worthy of challenge, let them go through the court system, just as Donald Trump should not just say, well, I ignore the judiciary because I don't agree with them. These guys should not be trying to arrest these quote unquote kids, as everybody's calling them, instead

• 36:58Tom Bilyeu?

  of just saying, there's a process for challenging these things and we're gonna go through them. So, yeah, I don't like the attack on these kids, and I absolutely hate that everybody is making out like because they're young, that that somehow disqualifies them.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  It reminds me of the tweet that you did over the weekend about like, when Palmer Lucky said, everyone angry about the age of Doge workers is going to be very surprised when they find out how old the founding fathers were. And then your response is, I think about this every time I see the people complaining about these Doge guys being young, so.

• 37:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Click, click into that, because I ended up getting into a debate with a guy, and look, it got like four views, because it was buried so deep in the comments. But he was basically saying, Tom, this is misinformation, and nobody under 26 signed the Declaration of Independence. And uh, yes, that's true, but we're not talking about if if they were put in charge of Doge, then we might have a different conversation.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 37:55Tom Bilyeu?

  But as I pointed out, Alexander Hamilton, as one example, was 22, actually, he might have been younger, but let's just say 22, when he was made the aide de camp of George Washington in the Revolutionary War. I can't think of a much more important, that's literally like the right hand man of the general in charge of found, making sure that we can found a country. Uh, and he realizes this kid is just insanely sharp and makes him his aide de camp. Uh, you've got another Lafayette or something was 19 when he, um, I, it's all in the tweet, but when he became a major figure, major political figure. And so I think he was a, um, major general, if I'm not mistaken.

• 38:38Tom Bilyeu?

  So it's like, guys, being young does not automatically disqualify you from anything. You should be looking at somebody's competence. If they're able to do something extraordinary, then let's let them do said extraordinary thing. If you think that they are incompetent, then yeah, let go after that and say this person is incompetent for these reasons. But you had, um, one person sign the Declaration of Independence that was 26. I actually think that was, um, what's his face, uh, Hamilton. And then you had another person sign the, uh, Constitution at 26 as well. So it's like, eh, pretty young, pretty young.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  It, it's disappointing, I think, and that's the biggest thing. And I, we, this, uh, old Jon Stewart clip has been circulating where simply a couple of years ago, he was arguing with a DC bureaucrat about waste and how we can continue to fail audits. And everybody applauded it. And every time the Pentagon says, we don't know what happened to the $900 billion. And they walk away, we're like, okay, cool. Yeah.

• 39:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And he said like, and I know we'll play the clip, but he just outright said, that to me is fraud. Like if you can't tell people where the money's going, and to your point, the left was all applause.

• 39:48Speaker 05

  Me on on

• 39:49Speaker 06

  Sure, so an audit is exactly what you just described, which is do I know what was delivered to which place?

• 39:55Speaker 05

  Right.

• 39:55Speaker 06

  The ability to pass an audit or in the fact that the DOD has not passed an audit is not suggestive of waste, fraud and abuse. That is completely false right there. So

• 40:05Speaker 05

  So what is

• 40:06Speaker 06

  Now is a question of it's suggestive that we can't, we don't have an accurate inventory that we can pull up of what we have where.

• 40:16Speaker 06

  That is not the same as saying we can't do that because waste, fraud and abuse has occurred.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  So in my world.

• 40:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:24Speaker 05

  That's waste.

• 40:26Speaker 06

  How is that waste?

• 40:27Speaker 05

  If I give you a billion dollars and you can't tell me what happened to it? That to me is wasteful. That that means you are not responsible. But if you can't tell me where it went? Then what am I supposed to think? And when there has been reporting, I mean, this is not like, I'm not, I'm not saying this is on you. And that you caused this, but I think it's, it's a tough argument to make that.

• 40:51Speaker 06

  Cause it.

• 40:52Speaker 05

  An eight hundred and fifty billion dollar budget to an organization that can't pass an audit and tell you where that money went. Like, I think most people would consider that somewhere in the realm of waste, fraud or abuse because they would wonder why that money isn't well accounted for.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  I just, it doesn't make sense to me that when one side do as I say, not as I do, you know, it's like when we were trying to hold people accountable for wasting on this side of the government. Everybody was cool with it. We had no problems and now we're finding waste in US aid, which to me is even more hurtful, it's more distasteful where that's supposed to be a pre springing initiative. That's supposed to be aid to help the world. And we're seeing it go into NGOs, getting funnel into people's pockets. But people aren't upset about it. It's just, it's

• 41:41Speaker 05

  Wow, people are definitely upset about it. It's just you're seeing this stuff break along political partisan lines and that is the thing that makes me sad.

• 41:50Tom Bilyeu?

  To beat my KPI drum to death. It's like you have to know where you want to end up. And then ask, okay, what are the things that we're going to do to get there? And what are the KPIs that we check along the way? I think Doge is being very clear. They are trying to cut $2 trillion from the budget so that we can stop the deficit spending, which is the very thing that's causing us to go 120 miles an hour towards this fiscal cliff. I don't think people fully understand what a quote unquote debt jubilee looks like. It is people being beheaded in the streets. It is, uh, that's on the civil war side. It is people, um, getting into a war with the rival power of Thucydides' trap. It, it, it is, it is bloodshed. That has a great name because it says jubilee.

• 42:31Tom Bilyeu?

  But the reality is that, that is a horrific period that nobody wants to live through. You cannot, you mathematically, you cannot keep racking up these debts. It leads to hyperinflation. Hyperinflation forces the debt jubilee. It, it, it's all madness all the time.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Um, and shout out to Ashley sells Texas. I think she had the best take about this Doge out of controversy.

• 42:56Speaker 07

  Democrats are acting like cheating boyfriends right now. I'm sorry, but somebody's got to say it. I'm independent. I think there's good ideas on both sides. There's bad ideas on both sides. But what this Doge audit is reminding me of is like a girl taking her boyfriend's phone and like hiding in the bathroom. And the Democrats are just banging on the door and they're like, you are invading my privacy. You can't go through my phone. And Elon Musk is like, yes, I can. I can see what you've been up to. And then every time Musk comes out of the bathroom, he's like, look, see what you did? They just turned it around and they're like, you invaded my privacy. This was your fault. You broke my trust.

• 43:30Tom Bilyeu?

  That's hilarious.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  It's definitely.

• 43:31Tom Bilyeu?

  It's hilarious. And if, if that is true, as a, uh, an analogy, it's even worse because this is like, hey, guys, I'm going to get a phone. If that's cool, like I'm the, the cheating boyfriend. And I say, would you please go buy me a phone? And by the way, you can look at my phone anytime you want. Like as a condition of getting the phone, you can look at the phone anytime you want, given that you paid for it. It's the only reason that I have it. It's the only reason I eat. It's the only reason I have a, a roof over my head. Like you literally fund everything. Uh, and now that you're actually going through my phone as we agreed you could at any

• 44:14Tom Bilyeu?

  time, I'm banging on the door and saying that you're violating my privacy. And I'm like, wait, what? Like, you have that phone so you can serve me. I bought you that phone. I feed you, I house you, all of it. And because I'm actually doing the thing that we agreed that I could do, you're mad because of what I'm finding? Like, what? So anyway, yeah, this,

• 44:40Tom Bilyeu?

  not all of the things that are going to be found are bad. I am well aware that Elon is a master marketer. And so he knows to draw your attention to certain things, uh, so that people will be very wound up and they will want him to go in and stop all this spending. Get it? But the reality is there are things to find, a lot of things to find, like massive, massive, massive. And if I'm not mistaken, there was a left-leaning organization that estimated that we have a trillion dollars of waste, uh, in the government before Trump got elected. So this was them, like, when they were in control, being like, yo, there's probably, so that's 50% of what we need to find right then and there. Not, not things that like, okay, if we had all the money in the world, we could probably keep paying

• 45:25Tom Bilyeu?

  for this. This is like the stuff that everybody's like, yeah, we shouldn't be doing that no matter what. So, crazy.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  We shall see. Uh, and some other things to look forward to. Trump gave Hamas a deadline for releasing the hostages.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  If they're not returned, all of them, not in drips and drabs, not two and one and three and four and two, Saturday at 12 o'clock. And after that, I would say, uh, all hell is gonna break out.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  All hell is gonna break out. Are you, do you like, like, what do you, what's your, what's your temperature on this?

• 45:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, okay, so this is where this one gets complicated. So we have to do it as a thought exercise. The it, this is early breaking, so we'll see what ends up being true. But Hamas is saying, hold on a second, we had an agreement with Israel. Israel has violated the agreement, so obviously, we're not going to give the hostages back. And if you made an agreement and you're the one violating the agreement, obviously, I would expect the other side to be like, hold on a second. So if that ends up being true, then it's like, you need to make good on the things you said you were going to do. Like, you're just gonna absolutely destroy your reputation. Now, I don't know if that's true. It's entirely possible that Israel comes back and says, guys, this is ridiculous. I can't believe you're saying this. We agreed it was gonna happen like this. We haven't hit the deadline yet.

• 46:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Boom, boom, boom. Uh, so I don't know where that stands. As a thought exercise, whoever is violating the treaty, um, or the agreement, that's the side that is creating this knock-on effect. Um, now, if on the other hand, Hamas is the one that's breaking the agreement, then yes, you, you have to play, international politics has to be a game of fuck around and find out. And the second that it's not, you, you get big problems, like just take Russia and Ukraine. So Ukraine had nuclear weapons, they gave them away. And now they've been invaded. Had they kept them, they would have had a much stronger deterrent and they might not be in that position.

• 47:27Tom Bilyeu?

  So I get it, I'm sure it was with all the good intentions in the world about nuclear deproliferation that made them want to do that, fuck around and find out. So if Hamas is violating the agreement, you, you have to go ham, because you can't have people, uh, say they're gonna do something and then not do it. But again, I don't know which side is actually the one saying they were gonna do something and then not doing it. But if they fuck around, they're gonna find out.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  I just know it's supposed to be a ceasefire, people are still dying, aid is still not being delivered. It, it seems like this is going to be a never-ending conflict, but, and I'm still going back to it.

• 48:04Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not. Like, this is the whole thing that I said last time. I don't, I don't know what to do with this morally.

• 48:12Tom Bilyeu?

  You, October 7th happens. Easy moral call. You can't, bad, all bad. That, there was going to be a response. Obviously, morally, you have to defend your people. Got it. Morally, have they gone too far? Probably. They killed a lot of people. Definitionally, they have done ethnic cleansing. That doesn't sound good. Sounds absolutely horrible. So I look at that and go, here's the really bad kicker to all this. It might actually bring peace.

• 48:50Tom Bilyeu?

  What the? I don't know, like, if this were 500 years ago, I'd be like, oh, hey, decisive military victories. It's the only thing that's ever worked in human history. Got it. That's how we got peace with Japan. It's how we rebuilt Europe and it didn't become a psychotic dictatorship. You need a decisive military victory. The other side has to give up their will to fight. And clearly, that's what's happened from Israel to Hamas. Now Hamas is probably still in a position to be a terrorist group.

• 49:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Israel's using that as a cover story to keep going ham. Now, I call it a cover story on purpose because, bro, like it, at this point, the only thing that they have left is to be a terrorist organization. I don't know that you're ever going to be able to root that out, full stop. Unless you do what they're talking about, which is, hey, let us rebuild it for you. We're just gonna move you to Jordan and Egypt real fast, just real fast. We'll be right back. Yeah, don't worry, guys. So that's where I get unnerved when Trump said, I don't want to misquote. It was something to the effect of, as my faulty memory goes, something like, oh, the people that have struggled for so long and had such horrible lives shouldn't be the ones rebuilding this. That felt like sleight of hand.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, it's like, if he had said, hey, these guys have suffered endlessly for a very long time. And so we're gonna partner with them to rebuild. Now, there's distrust there because they were given a lot of aid previously and they built a whole bunch of terror tunnels. We obviously can't have that. Uh, so we're gonna do something like a Marshall Plan and it's gonna be like what we did in Japan. And this is what the rebuilding is gonna look like. And there's gonna be a lot of verification before we really get into trusting. And this is gonna be, uh, global cooperation and we're gonna have a whole bunch of, um, Arab countries leading the charge here and hey, great. Those aren't the sounds that Trump is making. And so that shit makes me nervous.

• 50:59Tom Bilyeu?

  So anyway, we're gonna see how this plays out, but again, I just keep coming back to, but is it gonna work? Like, it might actually, while grotesquely immoral, may also work. Dude, that, that is where humaning gets real weird, real weird.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Um, speaking of grotesquely immoral.

• 51:23Tom Bilyeu?

  I know where this is going. That's the right transition.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Kanye.

• 51:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  That's all I got.

• 51:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  I'm not touching this one.

• 51:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Can I just say?

• 51:30Speaker 01

  We can't show a video, we can't show a tweet for fear of being demonetized.

• 51:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Also, he took them all down. Uh, praise Jesus. Uh, so don't look at Kanye's feed on an airplane. That's, that's what I learned. So as this was all happening on Sunday, okay, first of all, it goes from, uh, just blatant racism to blatant pornography in the blink of an eye. And so I'm going through it just like, whoa, like what is happening? It, it was too crazy not to look. I had to look. And then when it got to the porn, literally, I'm not kidding, Drew. The second it got to the porn. My wife looks at my screen and is like, what are you looking? But I was like panic scrolling, trying to get off of it. Cause I'm like, I'm on a plane. Forget my wife. I'm not worried about her.

• 52:18Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm on a plane, dude. And I'm on a computer. I'm not even on my phone. And so it's like big as day. And I'm like, oh, God. And I started scrolling down and there's so much of it that it like, the more I scroll, the more it's showing it. So then I started scrolling, but back up, but I'm scrolling back through it again.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  You're just a creep on a plane watching porn.

• 52:37Tom Bilyeu?

  I was so horrified. I was so horrified. Anyway, the first thing I was looking for was, did he get canceled? Like, did they pull him off? Cause that would have been, I was very curious to see how they were going to handle it. Uh, I think as far as I can tell, Elon put him on not safe for work. Very good move. Uh, and then for whatever reason, Kanye completely shut his account down. Now, I don't know why I didn't hear any explanation from him. But dude, there, there is a very, very distressing level of, um, anti Semitic hate. That's just like a thing now. That's crazy.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  I'm just gonna say this. Over the weekend, it was announced that Doge is gonna, uh, audit the Pentagon next. I retweeted the article and I was like, if he audits the Pentagon, Elon's gonna get assassinated.

• 53:34Tom Bilyeu?

  You think for real?

• 53:35Speaker 01

  That's military money. Like the CIA has shooters on deck for that. So I, I literally, that's all I was like, they're about to.

• 53:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Gallows humor, gallows humor. I don't actually find it funny. That's just horrifying enough.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  But I literally, I retweeted like, they're about to assassinate Elon. I was in Twitter jail this weekend, so I could, I could, they like, they like.

• 53:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Because you said the word assassinate?

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Yes. I put assassinate Elon and that was my one tweet.

• 53:56Tom Bilyeu?

  The algorithm, got you.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  And I was shut down for 12 hours.

• 53:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh damn.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, somebody was, went from Nazi to porn. And they had a whole 36 hours of just craziness.

• 54:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. So one, that's probably a good thing in that, hear me out. In that free speech is about allowing people to say things that you absolutely fucking despise. Let me be very clear. The things that Kanye said, I absolutely fucking despise.

• 54:27Tom Bilyeu?

  However, I think he has a right to say them. But if the algorithm mistook your statement for assassinate Elon, a call to violence, that is adjudicated and illegal and violates the First Amendment. In which case I would want to see that shut down because I don't want calls for violence. Now you get into debates about, well, when you've got somebody spewing that kind of hate in aggregate, it does become a call to violence. And I get that, I get that, but I still don't think that you can shut it down. I mean, I'm, I grew up in the age or just after when the ACLU was fighting for the right, or the Anti-Defamation League, forgive me for not remembering which organization it was.

• 55:07Tom Bilyeu?

  But they fought for the right for Nazis to march through a Holocaust survivor community in like Michigan, Ohio, somewhere in the Midwest. And I was like, yeah, it's disgusting and you wish that nobody thought that way. But it is their First Amendment right. You don't want people adjudicating what you can and can't say, you just don't, man. So listen, I was mortified not only to see, oh, because Eric Weinstein posted something that really fucking bothered me as well, not what he posted, what people were posting to him

• 55:47Tom Bilyeu?

  that he showed was happening, where people were just like slur, slur, slur in his feed about whatever he was talking about. And they're just like, okay slur, okay, I don't even know, like to say it in that context feels like a slur, even though technically it's not. That really makes me sad, dude. Do, do, history repeats itself in a way I don't understand people not checking themselves. Like if you find yourself with someone that you hate, let's say you hate them. If you find yourself trying to convince other people to hate them instead of focusing on the issue and saying this is why this issue is a problem.

• 56:23Tom Bilyeu?

  You're you're going to exacerbate that sentiment. It's just bad mojo, man. It's just bad mojo. You want things that make you feel expansive. You don't want things that make you feel like you want to fight and you want to hurt something. Not that there's not a time and place for that because my whole thing with authoritarian rule is the very thing that brings that out in me, admittedly.

• 56:44Tom Bilyeu?

  But I even I don't trust myself. I don't want people to just blank and go, well, Tom said it, and therefore. I'm not saying I won't ever get hyphy on something, but man, people got to be a little bit skeptical. So anyway, that was that was very unnerving to see how many people get on board with antisemitic shit. That is a bummer for me.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Yep. And last one. Breakthrough at Oxford scientists achieved teleportation with quantum supercomputer.

• 57:11Tom Bilyeu?

  No, they didn't.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  I was super excited. I thought we were in Star Trek. I was so excited when I seen this article.

• 57:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. So way over my head. This is definitely where we need to get Eric Weinstein here, but I'll give you a quick rundown of my understanding of where this is. Very encouraging step. What they're showing is that they can.

• 57:31Tom Bilyeu?

  They can use the fact that quantum entangled particles can communicate instantaneously, meaning faster than light, with each other across obscene like universe scale distances instantaneously. If that's true, then basically everything is information and somehow by quantum entangling things, you can do things even faster than the speed of light. So it sort of is teleportation. If you were able to say, hey, every whatever quantum bit, I'm not even sure what they would say the body is made of. But if you could somehow quantum entangle every bit in your body

• 58:12Tom Bilyeu?

  and also have that exact quantum structure somewhere else in the universe and you could then. I guess you'd have to measure it and then suddenly the other version of you would know what it's supposed to be. Yes, but like, oh, my God. When I say that you would need additional breakthrough. In physics, which have been real slow and coming.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, you would need additional breakthroughs in physics to actually teleport. Uh, so this is all riding on the back of, I think, I think, again, over my head, over my head, over my head. Uh, but I think this is all an echo of the idea of information theory that everything is just information. And because things can be quantum entangled. Oh God, does it warrant explaining what that means really fast, layman's explanation. Uh, to quantum entangle something means that you have two particles that must be the reverse of each other. So if one is up, the other is down, like it has to be, it is a law of physics. And so now they're quantum entangled, so they are, they are opposites. But because they have not yet been measured, they are in what's known as superposition. So they are both up and down.

• 59:20Tom Bilyeu?

  But the second you measure one of them and it assumes a state of either up or down. Instantaneously, no matter how far away it is, the other quantum entangled particle must instantly become the inverse of the other one.

• 59:34Tom Bilyeu?

  How? You live in a simulation, boys and girls. I mean, I have my brain, I am not. I may not even be artificial general intelligence or, or human general intelligence. I, I'm certainly not human super intelligence.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 59:47Tom Bilyeu?

  So yeah, I don't know how.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  It's not the breakthrough we wanted, but really quick, if you could teleport one thing, what would it be? Rapid fire, first thing that comes to your mind.

• 59:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, my consciousness.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  You would teleport your conscious?

• 59:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I want to, I want to be able to travel the cosmos. You don't want to do it in your body. Fuck that. Like your body is so.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  That was a way better answer. I was gonna say a cheesesteak from Jersey, but okay.

• 1:00:07Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  If I just boom, it's so good. Like the bread is different here.

• 1:00:11Tom Bilyeu?

  We, now I want to have a conversation with you. If you had a magic genie and you could ask for one thing, what would you ask for? But I know we are unfortunately out of time. Everybody, if you have not already, be sure to subscribe and until next time, my friends, be legendary. Peace.

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