Living Forever Is No Longer Science Fiction: The Age of Immortality is Here | Peter Diamandis PT 1

In this exciting episode of "Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu," visionary entrepreneur Peter Diamandis returns to explore the accelerating intersection of technology and human longevity. Known for his audacious goals and groundbreaking initiatives, Peter delves into the potential of adding 30 healthy years to our lifespan and the role of AI and biotechnology in achieving this feat. The conversation covers the revolutionary Health Span X Prize and the transformative power of mindset in shaping our future. Discover how to leverage cutting-edge science to extend your life and improve your health in the coming years. Join Tom and Peter as they delve into the foundations of a longer, healthier existence, discuss the latest advances in technology, and what it means for the future of humanity. From the mechanics of aging to the prospects of living an abundant life, this episode is filled with insights that promise to expand your understanding of what's possible. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Introduction to Quantum Consciousness and Psychedelics 00:05 Upcoming Conversations in January 00:12 Book Collaboration with Tony Robbins 00:50 Lifeforce and Longevity Strategies 01:18 Health Span X Prize and its Impact 02:19 Distribution of Longevity Guidebook 02:56 Upcoming Books: Mindset Mastery and Age of Abundance 03:37 Comparing Predictions of Past and Present Abundance FOLLOW PETER DIAMANDIS: Website: https://www.diamandis.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peterdiamandis/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/peterdiamandis CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://rangerover.com/us/sport Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com https://www.vitalproteins.com/ and entering promo code IMPACT at check out ITU: Ready to breakthrough your biggest business bottleneck? Apply to work with me 1:1 - https://impacttheory.co/SCALE Tax Network USA: Stop looking over your shoulder and put your IRS troubles behind you. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit https://tnusa.com/impact MUD/WTR: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code IMPACT at https://mudwtr.com/IMPACT ! #mudwtrpod Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact American Alternative Assets: If you're ready to explore gold as part of your investment strategy, call 1-888-615-8047 or go to https://TomGetsGold.com https://tomgetsgold.com/ Ridge Wallet: Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code IMPACT at https://www. Ridge.com/IMPACT https://www.ridge.com/IMPACT #Ridgepod ********************************************************************** Do you need my help? STARTING a business: Join me inside ZERO TO FOUNDER here https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=IT_PC&utm_content=ztf_it_pc_ad SCALING a business: Click here to see if you qualify https://tombilyeu.com/scale?utm_campaign=6762613-Scaling%20YT%20%26%20PC%20Ads&utm_source=mindset_PC&utm_content=bdceo_mindset_pc_ad Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT atwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:09Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm Tom Bilyeu and this is Impact Theory. Listen up because what we're talking about today is going to change everything. The next 10 years are going to be the most explosive decade in human history. AI is accelerating faster than anyone predicted. Quantum computing is making breakthroughs that were once considered science fiction. And we are on the verge of unlocking the secrets to longevity. And there's nobody better to break this all down than my guest today. He spent decades at the cutting edge of technology, funding the most radical breakthroughs in AI, biotech and space exploration. And when he tells me we are on the track to add 30 healthy years to human life this decade, you better believe I want to understand exactly how. So today, we're getting into the future of longevity,

• 1:53Tom Bilyeu?

  AI-driven medicine and how cutting-edge technology is about to reshape your life in ways none of us can imagine. If you've ever wondered how long you could live, what's actually possible with AI? And whether we're about to see the biggest wealth and power shifts in history? This is the conversation you've been waiting for. So without further ado, I bring you Peter Diamandis. Peter Diamandis, it is wonderful to see you.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  My pleasure, buddy. Good to be back here again.

• 2:18Tom Bilyeu?

  It's good to have you back, man. We have now been bouncing off of each other for many a year. And watching all of the things that you've predicted come to fruition is pretty incredible. Let me start with another prediction. Do you think, given the stuff you're doing in AI and longevity, that the people that are alive now have a shot at living forever?

• 2:39Speaker 01

  I think they definitively have a shot if you're in reasonable health for the next five, six years of extending that health span, another health span, right? Not lifespan, health span, another 20 or 30 years. And that-

• 2:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Say that in another way, in the next five to six years-

• 2:58Speaker 01

  So the next five, so by 2030, right? I think we're going to enable everyone who's in reasonable health today to intercept breakthroughs that will add an additional 20 or 30 healthy years of life.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  And what's interesting is that during those additional 20 or 30 healthy years, we've got quantum computing, we've got digital superintelligence, we've got new capabilities of modeling cells and modeling entire organisms to understand why we age, how to slow it, stop it, reverse it. And might that get us to living forever? Perhaps. Maybe there's some fundamentals that we don't understand. But I think there's pretty much nothing that we are not going to be able to overcome as, as humans in partnership with digital superintelligence.

• 3:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so if I'm understanding that right, so average life expectancy here in the US is something like seventy eight?

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, seventy eight, seventy nine, and average health expectancy, right? So your, your heart's ticking till seventy nine, but you're healthy on average till sixty three, which I am right now. I'm sixty three years old. I find myself in the best health I've ever been and I feel blessed about that, but I work on it, right? Every day, I was in the gym this morning, I'm, what I'm eating, my mindset, my sleep, all of these things. And so there's a seventeen year gap between when your health runs out and how long you live. The first goal is can we close that gap? Can we keep you healthy, you know, fully till eighty? And then can we start to extend that health and that longevity?

• 4:39Tom Bilyeu?

  So you're more confident that we can extend health than we can extend the total amount of time that people live?

• 4:45Speaker 01

  I, I think, I think that we will be able to definitively expect to get over a hundred years old and get there with vitality.

• 4:54Tom Bilyeu?

  We know that humans can live to what, one twenty two, one twenty?

• 4:56Speaker 01

  One twenty two is the record today. Okay. And we know that. We also know that there are, there are life forms on this planet. The bowhead whale can live to two hundred years. The Greenland shark could live to five hundred years old, have babies at two hundred years old. When I was in medical school, I remember reading that or watching it on a documentary. I said, why can they live that long and why can't we? And my first reaction was it's either a software problem or a hardware problem and we're going to be able to solve that. And I think this is the decade that those solutions are coming into existence.

• 5:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so talk to me about the mechanism. What is it that makes you more confident in health versus just the, is it pure, just I don't know enough about what makes something stop running? That makes you unsure that you can go beyond one twenty?

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, let me, let me, let me give a few previous basic concepts. So number one,

• 5:58Speaker 01

  humans were never designed to live past age 30. If you think about this 100,000, 200,000 years ago on the savannas of Africa, before there was birth control, you were in puberty by age 12, you were pregnant by 13, you were a grandparent by 27. And before we had McDonald's and Whole Food, before we were living in a food abundance and food was scarce, if you wanted to perpetuate the species, the last thing you wanted to do was steal food from your grandchildren's mouths. So you would die. And so we are in peak health at around age 27, 28, 29. And then it's a measurable decline from there. What do I mean by that? Our stem cell populations throughout our body will reduce by 100 to 1,000 fold in the compartments.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Our hormonal levels begin to rapidly decrease, our growth hormone, our thymus, which trains our T cells goes away, our muscle begins to atrophy, sarcopenia. And all these things are slow degradation. And so the, that's the first thing to recognize. The second thing that we should talk about is when you're born, you get 3.2 billion letters from your mom and 3.2 billion letters from your dad. And that's your software that's running in 40 trillion cells. And you've got that same software when you're born, when you're 20, when you're 50, when you're 80, when you're 100. So why do you look different?

• 7:28Speaker 01

  It's an interesting question, right? I mean, why don't you have a six pack at age 100 that you had when you're 18? And it turns out it's not the genes, it's not the software you're running. It's what genes are on and what genes are off. And that's termed your epigenome from the Greek word for above, epi. And one of the hottest areas of research right now, funded by a number of billionaires, you know, Brian Armstrong from Coinbase is funded a company of Jeff Bezos, Yuri Milner. And these companies are looking at, can we reverse your epigenome? Can? Can we turn on the genes that were on when you were younger and turn off the genes

• 8:12Speaker 01

  that were off when you were younger and bring you back to an earlier state of youth? And so far, the science says yes. Now, the question is, can we do it in humans? Well, the trials are going on in non-human primates and other animals. And the people that I respect in the field believe that we can, we can do this. So are there, are there fundamental limitations of thermodynamics that we don't know?

• 8:41Speaker 01

  But the other thing that's going on is, you know, each of us, when you have a, a mom and a dad who are, let's say, age 35 and have a baby, uh, the, the zygote, the, you know, the fertilized egg starts at, out at age zero, even though the parents are 35 years old. And what we've shown by serial nuclear transfer, where we take the nucleus out of an adult animal and put it into an egg and let it grow up into an adult animal and take the nucleus out of that adult animal, put it into an egg and let it grow up, that can be done over and over and over again without penalty.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  So there is in our, in our makeup, that ability, can we unleash it? I think that this is the decade that we figure that out.

• 9:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you have a sense of why technology is going to help us figure that out? Like, is it, uh, we need AI for the pattern recognition? Uh, is it we need quantum computing to run enough simulations fast enough that we can let AI then get the patterns that it needs to detect? Like in the crazy amount of data contained in our DNA, it needs to start sussing out, like, what are the patterns?

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:59Tom Bilyeu?

  That lead to good health?

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Basically, so we're a collection of 40 trillion human cells. We don't think of ourselves as a collective, but we are, that collaborate and work together. We have an additional, you know, 40 to 100 trillion other organisms, bacteria, fungi.

• 10:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Nearly enough about that.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, and each of these human cells is running about one to two billion chemical reactions per second.

• 10:27Tom Bilyeu?

  That's nuts.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  It's nuts to think about that. Right now, you know, you could, you can't orchestrate that. It's happening automatically. And, and so there's no human doctor over the last, you know, 10, 20, 30, 100 years that can understand that.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  And why do some people live till 105 with their mental faculties and they're still at work? And others are sick at age 60. You know, a lot of it has to do with their diet and, you know, the whole make America healthy again is a very real thing. Our pharmaceutical and food industries are destroying a lot of, you know, a lot of issues there. We can get into that if you want. But a lot of it has to do as well with their, their genetics, their physical makeup.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  And AI can help us understand that. Understanding why you age, how to slow it, stop it, perhaps reverse it. One of the things that's going on, the Nobel Prize just got given away recently to Demis Hassabis and John Jumper at DeepMind for AlphaFold. And, and so here we see one of the first real Nobel Prizes for an AI capability. What is AlphaFold? When I was in medical school, God, some decades ago, the supercomputing problem that was always, you know, like 10, 20, 50 years out, was could you go from an amino acid sequence, you know, a sequence of amino acids, 1,000

• 11:59Speaker 01

  or 5,000 of them, to predicting the folding of a protein? And how proteins fold is everything. It's the structure that is your antibody, or is your muscle, or is your, you know, the structure in your body? And it was always very difficult. But they wrote a AI program called AlphaFold that is accurately able to, to achieve that within a single atomic radius, which was incredibly crazy. Then they create AlphaFold 3, which is able to simulate the interaction of all molecules of life, like this DNA, this sugar, this protein. How would they interact if they're put in a chemical solution together?

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Where they're going next is can we simulate an entire human cell? Can we simulate in silico on computer? That billion chemical reactions per second? And then next step, can I take your DNA? And simulate your cell? And simulate your organ and simulate you? And know without any question that if I give you this drug, it's going to work in this way for you, better than doing a human trial.

• 13:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this is the kind of thing that makes me go, maybe we really do live in a simulation. The reason I think that, we were talking about this before we started rolling, as a game developer, the thing that you realize is, oh, my job is to create a set of rules. And so all I'm trying to do is create a very predefined set of rules that yield, in the case of game development, something that's fun, right? But you really are down in the level of physics. When this happens, the character should react this way, or the gun should fire this way, you know, whatever, whatever. And you start asking yourself, well, wait a second. If I build rules that aren't necessarily player-instigated or related, but exist.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, all of a sudden, you can create this setup where things can interact in ways that would surprise even the game developer. And when you start thinking through that problem of like, take Minecraft, and I want Minecraft where a player will go in and they'll rearrange things and leave. And when they come back, the crop should keep growing or whatever while they were gone, right?

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Well, you've seen that simulation, right? Where they put 1,000 AI agents into Minecraft.

• 14:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  And they developed an entire economy and, you know, currencies. And I was insane.

• 14:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, what I want people to realize is that's just because there's a set of rules. And so now every interaction point has a predefined set of ways that that can go. And so when I look at, okay, why is technology? The thing that's going to allow us to move forward. It's because all of the rules of the way that a human cell works are knowable. They're just not known.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 14:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But they are predefined. And whether this is a simulation created by God or a 13 year old programmer in another dimension almost becomes irrelevant. We are in a rules based world. And as we can tease out those rules, then we can unlock the potential of what it means to know those rules. So if you know that aging is based on this really complicated interaction, just to simplify it for people. And you'll correct me if I'm wrong as the person that has the degrees. But what's really going on, this is an epigenome phenomenon. So you have this little thing that runs along your genes and either says this should be wrapped tight and not red.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Or this should be unwrapped and red. And what ends up happening is your skin cell begins to unravel in the wrong places. And it's like, am I an ear, a skin cell, a hard cell? What am I? And so you get this de-differentiation and that is aging. And so if you could go, okay, I know what this gene in your body is supposed to look like. And so now I'm going to put something in there that helps basically the, the thing that lives inside your cell already. The epigenome readers, creatures, whatever, they actually move. It's crazy.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:54Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know what to classify them as. But if you had something that was like, no, no, no, that was not supposed to look like this. It's supposed to look like this. Now you're just saying, as long as I know the rules and I have a method by which I can nudge these things to act in the right way. Then to your earlier point, I don't see what it is possibly that we would run up against.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Now it requires us to be able to manipulate things at the, that kind of protein level. But.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Ray Kurzweil, who's been a mentor and a business partner and friend.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  One of the leading thinkers in AI.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Who believes we're going to reach this idea of longevity escape velocity. Which by the way, you know, is the moment in time where for every year that you're alive, science is extending your life for more than a year. Right? So you're, you depart and it goes to infinity. He thinks we're going to reach that by the end of the year 2030. Right.

• 16:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Five years from now.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, insane. And then, you know, in speaking to folks like George Church and David Sinclair, their prediction is the mid 2030s, you know, a decade from now, the point for everyone listening here is we're in a magical time. Your job is to take care of your body, keep yourself healthy enough to intercept. Like I, you know, say in the title of my book, don't die from something stupid in the interim, right? You don't want to be the last person not standing in this regard. And Ray's belief is that a lot of this is going to materialize on the backside of nanotechnology, which is a set of technologies, originally Freeman

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Dyson wrote about them. And then Eric Drexler wrote about these, and it's the ability to manipulate things on an atomic level.

• 17:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Quick break, but when we're back, Peter's breaking down how AI medicine could help you live decades longer. Stick around.

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• 20:05Tom Bilyeu?

  And we're back. Let's pick up right where we left off. Is nanotech real today?

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Nanotech is, and I've had a lot of conversations on this subject. It isn't fully, it's wet nanotech. What nanotech is today is the ability to design proteins that do things for us.

• 20:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Novel proteins?

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, brand new. Like, it's like, we need a protein that can have an arm that sticks out and attaches here and does this. And so

• 20:32Tom Bilyeu?

  So wait, wait, wait, wait. Do we can?

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:34Tom Bilyeu?

  We understand how these structures happen to the point that we can actually create novel protein structures?

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. So that was part of the Nobel Prize as well. And

• 20:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Wait, wait, wait. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so I didn't know this. So we're not just mapping these enzymatic processes yield this protein. We're saying we understand the sort of Lego-y nature of a protein and now can create any shape we want?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  So there is a program called Alpha Prodeo, also put out by DeepMind, in which you can design the protein that you want.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Translate it into an amino acid sequence and have a ribosome manufacture it for you.

• 21:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  So what that means more than just being able to create, I like that Legoized novel proteins that do the stuff that you want to do. It's a future for medicine. I mean, if you think about it, how does, how do we find medicines today? We, historically, we've gone into the rainforest and chopped down plants, dug up dirt, bring it back, process it, see if there's anything bioactive in there, sprinkle it on some yeast, give it to some mice, and then eventually maybe after 12, 13, 14 years and $2 or $3 billion, have a drug, which by the way, works for only typically 20% of the people it's prescribed to.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Imagine instead, okay, I know that this disease path, if we could block this active site on a cell surface, that would cure it. Let's design a protein that blocks that active site. Design it, manufacture it, and run.

• 22:23Tom Bilyeu?

  That's bananas. I didn't realize that was the

• 22:26Speaker 01

  State of the art.

• 22:27Tom Bilyeu?

  So we'd already reached. That is crazy. So.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  It's accelerating. Another thing that's interesting, if I could, I don't know if you have, you've had Jack, have you had Jack Hittary on the show here from Sandbox AQ?

• 22:40Tom Bilyeu?

  We were literally just talking about him before.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I had, so Jack's a dear friend. He's on my board at the X Prize and he was at Google X and then he spun out Sandbox AQ. The A stands for AI, the Q stands for quantum. They began with $500 million seed round.

• 22:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Is that all?

• 22:59Speaker 01

  That's all.

• 23:00Tom Bilyeu?

  It's quite the seed.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  It's called, it's called, you know, inflation or really rich, rich investors. Long story short, I just met, I did a podcast with him on my Moonshots podcast and we're talking about a number of subjects, but he brought his head of, general manager of AI simulation. I love that term and she's amazing. I'll have her on stage at the Abundance Summit with me in March. And what they're doing is they're using AI and quantum equations.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  To be able to simulate at the atomic and sort of the electron level, what's going on on chemicals, on molecules. They basically take the equations that govern a quantum universe, Schrönders equation and such, Heisenberg uncertainty principle, and they they create what they call L Q M's, right? Large quantum models and can begin to model the physical universe at an atomic and subatomic level. It's insane.

• 24:10Tom Bilyeu?

  So to get the accuracy that you need for some of the biochemical stuff, you have to be dealing in quantum level mechanics.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. That is fascinating. What is the state of quantum computing right now? Is it real? Is it still 30 years off?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, it's real and getting realer. So we were talking about beforehand, Google just had an announcement of latest breakthrough, Willow.

• 24:38Tom Bilyeu?

  What is the breakthrough? Is this stability?

• 24:40Speaker 01

  It's the stability. So the biggest issue has been as you're growing the number of qubits, the quantum bits, that the error rate has gone up and you need error free quantum bits to do anything. And I don't pretend to be an expert in in Willow. But apparently the bigger that system is growing, the more stable it gets and the more logical qubits it has. So I'm going to be diving into that. I mean, that was just announced, but it's it's exciting. But the point being that we can model quantum on AI systems today before we have quantum computers.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  And help us understand that.

• 25:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so I don't know if you understand the process by which that works, but basically they're able to what simulate what a quantum computer would do?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  They're able to take the laws of the quantum universe again, right? There are four or five basic laws and use those to help simulate what's going on on a molecular basis and atomic basis. And this is for them to make predictions and designs of new materials, of new drugs.

• 26:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So is AI, if I'm understanding the process correctly, it would have to be something like this. AI is creating essentially synthetic data that it's training itself on based on the laws of quantum physics.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  So this is why, going back to longevity, this is why I am so absolutely thrilled and excited about what's coming, right? So I'm, you know, I've been focused on the longevity science and business for now 12 years, right? And I think a dozen years ago, when you and I first started, I had started Human Longevity with Craig Venter and Bob Perri.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  And then have been building companies, built a $600 million venture fund, investing in this area. We just launched a $101 million health span prize a year ago. And for those who haven't seen it, you can go to xprize.org. Thank you to you and Lisa for having been benefactors of the X Prize and supporting us over the years.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  And we've put up, we raised $141 million, challenging teams. Can you deliver a therapeutic in under a year to individuals age, I think we're in the age bracket of 60 to 85? And during that year, you can reverse functional loss in muscle, immune and cognition. So can I give you the muscular strength and ability to build muscle you had 20 years ago? Can I give you the immune strength, the ability to mount an immune reaction to influenza or cancer that you had 20 years ago? Can I give you the cognitive clarity, the scope of memory that you had 20 years ago?

• 27:46Speaker 01

  And we have 505 teams.

• 27:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Jesus.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that have entered in the first year, which blows me away. I mean, I expected to get to 500 teams by 2030. And I've seen a number of these and they're amazing.

• 28:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Are there any patterns in the mechanism of action?

• 28:04Speaker 01

  No, it's all, it's all over the place.

• 28:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  And so this is sort of, you know, one of the beautiful things about an X Prize is you're not pre-guessing the winner and you're seeing every possible approach. And so we're going to, out of the noise or out of the universe of companies, entrepreneurs out there, they're, they're small and big companies throughout like 30 countries around the world. We're going to find those companies that are making the most advanced, bold breakthroughs in this.

• 28:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, is there anything that you see? I, I fully understand that not only do you not want to nudge people down a certain path, but you know better than to guess. But is there any approach that you see that either hits you as intuitively fruitful or just outright sexy and kind of intriguing?

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, there's, there's a multitude. So there are a number of epigenetic companies.

• 29:00Tom Bilyeu?

  So people looking at the thing I was talking about.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. So how do we reverse your epigenome? How do we reset the markers in your DNA so that you're expressing the genes that you had 20 years younger? Okay. There are a number of companies in the stem cell world. All right. So your stem cells in your body, when you are born, you have something like a hundred or a thousand times more stem cells than you and I have.

• 29:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  You know, per unit mass in our body.

• 29:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa, I had no idea the decline is that massive.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Very much. And can you rejuvenate your stem cell population? Uh, one company that I've seen that I'm just blown away by a guy named Hans Kirstedt and his work at a company called Immunos has been able to uh, look at the uh, specific young uh, stem cell, uh, think of it as a embryonic stem cell, but it's, it's uh, you know, early, you know, few days after fertilization, it's putting out 440 growth factors. Um, these are uh, these are MRNAs, they're exosomes, there are all kinds of factors that are youthful

• 30:17Speaker 01

  factors. And the FDA has allowed him to characterize those 440 factors as a drug. And he's gone through a phase one and phase two A trial. He had 18 patients who uh, were basically confined to a wheelchair or bed because they had severe osteoarthritis. They couldn't walk. Giving them this uh, this drug he calls Immuna, uh, even though they were constrained, they increased their muscle mass by 6%. What? Yes. I mean, I work- From an injection? An injection over the course of three months. This is stimulating growth in the body.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Listen, I work out in the gym as you do on almost every day. I know you're skeptical. I looked at the data. Here's the rest of it. Reduced pain by as much as 70% from their osteoarthritis. Reduced whole body inflammation by 50%. Reverse their, their uh, their immune age by 30 years. This is called Immuna? Immuna. So we're going to be uh, providing that uh, at no additional cost. We've expand, they've expanded the trial and Fountain Life is going to be offering this to its members at no additional cost to be part of that trial in the phase two uh, open trial. I'm

• 31:42Speaker 01

  literally going down there next month to start, start getting access to it. Dude, you have got to keep me up.

• 31:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Updated on that. So for anybody listening here, the reason that I'm reacting so big is the joke in bodybuilding circles forever has been, oh, people try to say, oh, this guy did drugs. And so, you know, it's all worthless. And you can inject somebody with steroids all day long and they will never get bigger. You have to go work your ass off. And if you don't work your ass off, no matter how many steroids they give you, you're not going to get any bigger. And so to have something where you don't need to work out to get the gain in muscle is insane.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  It is.

• 32:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, that's an insane.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  I am, fingers crossed. I mean, I work out five days a week at least, you know, I added 10 pounds of muscle mass last year and it was a lot of work. Right? It was 150 grams of protein. It was creatine. It was working out in the gym. It was like, damn it, I'm going to get there, whatever it takes.

• 32:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Did you do TRT?

• 32:36Speaker 01

  I did a little bit, but I've actually stopped because my, my testosterone, my testosterone levels were, were high enough.

• 32:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Already.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  And.

• 32:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Look at you.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Anyway, so, but bottom line, I know that, you know, and I've got an entire chapter in longevity guidebook on the importance of muscle, right? And, and you know this, it's your longevity organ and having, there's a direct correlation between your muscle mass and your lifespan. And it's critically important.

• 33:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, that's bananas. So.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  So it's one example, another company I ran into will go from, it will take one of your skin cells, right? Convert it to an iPSC cell. So basically an induced pluripotent stem cell. These are the Yamanaka factors, Nobel Prize, was granted to Yamanaka for this discovery. That you can take a differentiated cell, typically a skin cell, and turn it back into a pluripotent stem cell that can then become any other kind of cell. You can take a skin cell, turn it back to pluripotent stem cell, have it then become a neuron or liver cell or lung cell. So what this team is doing is going from a skin cell to a pluripotent stem cell

• 33:56Speaker 01

  and then actually growing a clone of you.

• 34:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Say more.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Yes. And so imagine they've gotten this clone up to something like 28 weeks.

• 34:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh huh.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  And.

• 34:11Tom Bilyeu?

  That's legal?

• 34:13Speaker 01

  It's legal. Um, and the idea is that I can then uh, from that, I mean, it's a pea sized clone.

• 34:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  But I can then extract my own DNA, my own stem cells from that clone. And I can use that for regenerative purposes.

• 34:36Tom Bilyeu?

  When we say clone, uh,

• 34:39Speaker 01

  I know.

• 34:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you just mean like clumps of cells?

• 34:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:41Tom Bilyeu?

  That are cloned cells?

• 34:42Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 34:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Is this an embryo?

• 34:44Speaker 01

  We're talking about effectively an embryo.

• 34:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh huh.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, of you.

• 34:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But wait, how is this legal?

• 34:52Speaker 01

  W- why is it not legal?

• 34:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, there were, I mean, back in the nineties, this was like a huge thing to not let people, uh, I don't know if it was around cloning, but not let.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  It was, it was embryo. So back then, the notion was if someone was having an abortion.

• 35:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  And you had an embryo of a third party. Could I take the stem cells from that embryo?

• 35:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  And utilize them in my body? And that was led to teratomas and a whole bunch of different cancers, a whole bunch of problems. Not done and probably not legal. This is very different than your own cells. This work's going on right now, uh, outside the US, but, uh, the idea being that I'm simply using my own DNA to create, and I'm using biology to create the cells out of my own DNA that I'm going to want to use to support this body.

• 35:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Uh, this is incredible.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  I mean, I did.

• 35:58Tom Bilyeu?

  It's also insane.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  My point is, there's a lot of incredible work being done right now across the board. And putting aside whether you think yuck or wow.

• 36:08Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm more in the wow camp, but that, that is shocking. I did not realize that that A was possible and B that it was being done. Uh, I, I love it. Okay. So those are some absolutely jaw droppingly cool approaches.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I, I think one of the reasons that I wrote.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Longevity guidebook was to give people the power to understand what was possible and give them the definitive, you know, executable plan. And there are a number of things that people can do right now that cost zero. Right. So it really is the fundamentals still apply. And you know this, and I'm sure you and Lisa focus on this. It is, it's, you know, what do you do in your diet? What do you do with sleep? What do you do with exercise? What do you do with mindset? Right. Those are the fundamental elements that are going to buy you the additional health span.

• 37:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Hang tight, we're taking a short pause, but when we return, Peter reveals why AI is about to completely change the job market.

• 37:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now let's get back to it.

• 37:23Tom Bilyeu?

  People want, they want the Ozempics.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  They do, and it's, and it's, and honestly Ozempic has its downsides and we can talk through that.

• 37:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, what I want to ask is, can we agree that something just happened in the last six months that made facelifts, cosmetic surgery, whatever you want to call it, way better? Like, am I being trolled better? Have you seen the Lindsay Lohan before and after?

• 37:46Speaker 01

  I did not.

• 37:47Tom Bilyeu?

  This is nuts. Drew, you gotta pull this up. This is legitimately where I'm like, are they using filters? And I'm just being trolled. It is, it is shocking. And this was not the first one that I've seen where I'm just like, how's this possible? This was somebody that whatever a year, look, dude, the one, okay, she had had a ton of work done on the left already. And then

• 38:07Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, which is

• 38:08Tom Bilyeu?

  all of a sudden, okay, so left, work done, clearly already work being done on the left. And then the right is the after. What is happening? So this is, I need to know if this is real. This feels like somebody from your program escaped and was like, I'm going to commercialize this real fast. And there's nanobots under her skin or something. This, this is insane to me and I need to know what's going on because I want to be first in fucking line for this. This is crazy.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  I think, listen, plastics are are real and they're getting better and we're learning how to deal with all kinds of. But even you, dude, you're sixty three, you're looking really good. Yeah, I don't do that. I have a, I use a OneSkin face cream that is, was developed by four incredible women with PhDs in, in, in senolytic medicine. So it's a, this particular face cream has an amino acid, ten, ten amino acid peptide that is able to identify and kill senescent cells in your skin. Yep. And I don't eat sugar and I heal plants and I do my damnedest to get it. So you heal plants?

• 39:23Speaker 01

  I eat whole plants. There we go. That makes a lot more sense. I was imagining you like, you know, exactly. And I work out and I'm, you know, and one of the things that people don't realize, I, I'm sure you do, but the benefits of mindset is so powerful. Can I just read something from, from the, from the book, which is, I just want to get this out into the world here because people need to understand this. And so, quote from my, from my book here, it says, "In a study of sixty nine thousand seven hundred and forty four women and fourteen hundred and twenty nine men, right, more women, but well-powered study in terms of

• 40:04Speaker 01

  number of people, it was published in the prestigious journal Proceedings, National Academy of Sciences, as high as you get. It was found that optimistic people live as much as fifteen percent longer than pessimists." And it really is mind over body in an extraordinary fashion. It's a double payoff if you're an optimist. There's another little passage I want to read here in the, in the mindset chapter, and I love this. And a friend of mine, Dan Sullivan, says, "You need to have a mindset where your future is bigger than your past." Right. And it's like

• 40:46Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a great line.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  It it really truly is. If if you have a lot to look forward to, if you're excited about the future, and I'm like, like, this is the most amazing time ever to be alive. I want to see as much of it as possible. I want to start a city on the moon. I want to mine asteroids. I want to upload myself. You know, I've got a lot to do in the next hundred years. So I want to I want to see as much of it as I can.

• 41:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Applies that you're going to make it to one hundred and sixty three.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  Well, hey, we'll see.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  There's, let me read this. My favorite story illustrating the power of mind over body comes from the annals of American history. As it turns out, in an extraordinary demonstration of the will to live, two of America's founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, both willed themselves to live long enough to see the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Even though the average age, average life expectancy was only forty four years old in the early eighteen hundreds, Jefferson, who was eighty three, and Adams, who was ninety, made it to July 4th of eighteen twenty six, both dying on the exact date of the 50th anniversary of the nation.

• 41:53Tom Bilyeu?

  That's nuts.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Having something to look forward to.

• 41:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, having something to look forward to, understanding the power of the mind. I think that's all amazing. And I love about you that even in the face of the technological singularity, you're still focused on the things that we can do right here and right now. However, the thing that makes you a central figure in this moment is that you actually understand the technology and where this stuff is going. So, one, I would love an anchor around, why is twenty twenty five going to be the greatest year so far? And then I know that as you look beyond that, you see only hope and optimism. But first, give me, why will twenty twenty five be the greatest year ever?

• 42:29Speaker 01

  We are on the tipping point of AGI. We are about to release the ability to build AI agents that will do your bidding, do your research, support every aspect of your life. We are clearly, from what we just heard from Hartmut Nevin at Google, also on the verge of quantum computing becoming stable and effective. All these things are happening concurrently.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  We know, have more information about biology.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Than ever and all of this is feeding in. So as you know, I I'm currently chairman of Fountain Life and we have these large diagnostic centers. And so we've built AI into everything. So when you go through this, and I still want you and Lisa to come through.

• 43:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Same, man.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  As my guest.

• 43:27Tom Bilyeu?

  You've got something coming in LA.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, we are opening up LA and we have right now, New York, our headquarters at Orlando, Naples and Dallas, we're opening up this coming year in Century City at the Fairmont Hotel. It's a beautiful facility there, opening up Houston, the Ritz Carlton in Phoenix, and then probably Miami. And then we have a path of an additional 25 centers that we're building around the world.

• 43:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Damn.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  So it's and we have built a large functional medicine AI model in which helps our physicians gather all, let's see, it's like 300 gigabytes, 200 gigabytes of data about you, right? So massive amount of imaging, genomics, everything is, we upload you, right? It's like we, everything noble about your biology is knowable. And there's no way human can understand that, but the AI systems and the humans together can. And then on your phone, I'll show you this after, after we record, all my data and an AI there that I can query by voice and say, you know, based upon my imagery and my blood tests, what supplement should

• 44:39Speaker 01

  I be on? It's crazy. All of these things are converging. And they're all empowering us to do that much more. We're in this very rapid exponential.

• 44:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Walk me through what does life after artificial intelligence, all the way to AGI, has been integrated? What does life look like?

• 45:02Speaker 01

  So I had Elon on my stage last year at the Abundance Summit.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  And you know, his prediction was, okay, we're going to have AGI by the end of 2025. And you know, Ray Kurzweil's original prediction for artificial general intelligence was 2029. But directionally correct. And there's no real definition of what AGI is anyway. It's a blurry, fuzzy line to be, that'd be true. We, we passed the Turing test and, and didn't notice it.

• 45:35Tom Bilyeu?

  It's crazy.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Right?

• 45:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, that's when people started writing that letter. We need to slow this down.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, but there was still no like checkbox, you know? AGI, I think we're effectively there now, or we will be in 2025. Listen, I, when I'm using all of the AI agents and I use a multitude of them, there is really nothing it can do that it can't do better than me. And so what do you define that as? Anyway, so Elon said, I said, okay, so where is this going? He said, well, by 2029, the earliest 2030 at the latest, we're going to have digital superintelligence where AI is more intelligent than the entire human race. Put together.

• 46:23Tom Bilyeu?

  What, what does that mean? That it's the smartest human multiplied out?

• 46:28Speaker 01

  It's, it's a level of intelligence that we can't conceive of. So a year ago, we saw, um, uh, we saw Claude, Claude three get to an IQ of 101, which by definition is superhuman or above average at least. Right? We saw GPT-01 from OpenAI have an IQ of 120 as measured.

• 46:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  That's, that's old news. That's four months old.

• 46:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Really? I didn't hear about that.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And we're about to see.

• 47:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, that's nuts.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  It is nuts, but we'll blow through 150 and beyond. You know, we have, um, Elon's just built Colossus right. He went from raising, um,

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Eight billion dollars, snapping his fingers and saying, I'm raising for XAI. And, you know, I was, I was one of the first investment calls. I got to invest early on. And, and money comes in. He raised again and I'm like, can I get in? Sorry, it's oversubscribed already. It's like, holy shit, right? It's like instantly. But beyond that, once he raised the money, he went from a clean facility in Memphis to building the largest cluster, a hundred, a hundred thousand, each one, each one hundreds in 122 days. And, and now he's driving it to 200,000 and then to a million to build out Grok. And, you know, I, Elon will never play for second place.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Having said that, we're entering a period where we are going to have a, a digital super intelligence. The question is, will it be humanity's savior? Our, our support structure or our foe? I, I believe that it will be, that I'd rather live in a world with a benevolent digital super intelligence where it's keeping us from destroying ourselves, right? Cause I'm not concerned about artificial intelligence. I'm concerned about human stupidity for the most part. And I think people don't realize how insanely fast we're moving. I've got this one PowerPoint slide that I use in my keynotes.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  And it says at the top, our ancestors would view us as gods.

• 48:52Tom Bilyeu?

  It's interesting.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  Right? We are godlike today. We're omniscient, we're omnipotent, we're omnipresent, we can create life.

• 49:01Tom Bilyeu?

  It's pretty incredible.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  It's pretty incredible.

• 49:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. Talk to me like a sci-fi author, though. What is it going to look like? Are, is there going to be blood in the streets?

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Jarvis, Jarvis, Jarvis, Jarvis. It's Jarvis all the way down. I think, you know, what we saw in Iron Man is there. You're going to have an intelligent AI agent that you let into your life fully. It reads your emails, listens to your phone calls, sees what you're eating. And you set your objectives of what you want. I want to be healthier. I want to make more friends. I want to be more productive and it will support you in any way, shape or form that you need. You get up and you are walking towards the front door. From a breakfast meeting and your AI has an autonomous car waiting for you. You never called it. It knows your schedule. It knows that you have a meeting where you're going to and the car is there.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  It knows you didn't get good sleep last night because your Oura ring told you had a shitty sleep score. And go, it's got, it's got a autonomous car with a lie down bed in the back for you. It's world is automatic and magical.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  In that regard, now the big question, I just came back. I was in Stanford last week or 10 days ago, giving a keynote.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  And exploring the question of do we humans need a, a challenging life to thrive and exist? What's it like when everything, I mean, we even talked about humanoid robots, right? Which I'm invested in heavily and I've got three of the humanoid robot companies coming at the abundance summit this year. There's like 50 humanoid robot companies out there, well-funded and growing. I just did a report on the top 16 of them. And the prediction is that these humanoid robots powered by AI, right? They're multimodal. Their AIs allow them to see and know what they're seeing.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  They can speak to you, you speak to them, they're running GPT-5 or, or Grok 3 or whatever the equivalent is. And

• 51:09Speaker 01

  they're cheap and there are billions of them. So by 2040, the prediction is 10 billion humanoid robots. More than there are humans on the planet.

• 51:19Tom Bilyeu?

  That's in the next 10 years?

• 51:21Speaker 01

  10, 15 years, yeah.

• 51:22Tom Bilyeu?

  What date did you get?

• 51:23Speaker 01

  It's at 2040.

• 51:24Tom Bilyeu?

  2040.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  So that's Brett Adcock, who is the CEO of Figure AI and Elon's prediction. I was with him in Riyadh, interviewing him and asked him how many humanoid robots by 2040 goes.

• 51:36Tom Bilyeu?

  That is an insane change in 15 years.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  It is.

• 51:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Insane.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  And guess what? When, you know, I asked a friend of mine, what's it going to feel like when there's humanoid robots walking around outside and in your place of work? He said, normal.

• 51:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  We're gonna, we adopt really fast. I mean, you know, we have Waymos running around. At first, you're like photographing them and like, wow. And then like, please get out of my way, you know, ignoring them. But here's the real insane point. So the price point, uh, you can predict the price of these things on a per kilogram basis. And so, uh, the price point is between 20,000 and 30,000 to buy one of these robots.

• 52:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Today or?

• 52:17Speaker 01

  That's the prediction and, and no, in a couple of years, next, next two years.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  To lease one of these robots, like a car, think of it as same leasing structure, 300 bucks a month. That's $10 a day. That's 40 cents an hour for a humanoid robot that

• 52:42Speaker 01

  has expertise, whatever. Please go fix the plumbing or please go and help my kid debug his, whatever, or can you get the AV system working, please for me? I mean, it downloads the specs and goes and does the tinkering and it's there. And it's 24/7. No boyfriend or girlfriend fights, no drug testing, no vacation days, 40 cents an hour, 40 cents an hour.

• 53:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Insane. Is my kid's best friend a robot?

• 53:12Speaker 01

  I, I think we're going to give these personas. I think we're going to, you know, if you saw the movie Bicentennial Man.

• 53:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Mm hmm.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  I think we're going to become, uh, I think we're going to connect with them. You know, we've already seen, uh, a lot of AI agents. Like I say, please and thank you to Alexa in the morning.

• 53:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Smart.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Right? I, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get those points early on.

• 53:37Tom Bilyeu?

  That is a good bet.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  Before the system becomes overly capable, you know, when I'm speaking to my OpenAI GPT-01 model, you know, it's like saying, good morning. You know, I use the one called Ember. I say, good morning, Ember. How you doing? Listen, I have a question for you today. And I just enter a natural dialogue. And so.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  They are very human like in their personality. And I think once we get the latency down a little bit, they'll become funny too. The only thing that keeps them from being a little bit funnier and more interactive is a little bit of latency. And we'll get rid of that. So enter a world with a super capable AI and humanoid robotics around us. And so the question becomes, this is what I, coming back to my Stanford lecture was, we need challenge in our lives. We need to work for what we accomplish. And if it's just given to us, will, how will we feel?

• 54:39Speaker 01

  So one of the things is like, what happens when we have this much automagical? And we even have a BCI implant that we think and it happens. What's life like then? Do we create artificial, you know, boundary conditions and challenges? Do we all revert into a video game universe? And which is I, I think we do, and I think we're living in a simulation. I have no question we're living in simulation, going back to that. In fact, we're not even living in just a simulation. We're living in an nth generation simulation. We're in a simulation within a simulation within a simulation. Because we're doing that now, we're creating virtual worlds with AI agents in them

• 55:21Speaker 01

  that don't know there are agents in a simulation. So I think we need challenges to thrive. I think we, you know, our neurochemistry, our dopamine hits happen when we work hard and we accomplish something. What do you think about that?

• 55:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so I think that is for sure. That is a, the primary driver for me building a video game now is that I don't think of them as a game. I think of them as a virtual world. I a waystation on the way to what I'm trying to build is a typical video game. But very much so, I think the reason the Fermi paradox exists is that

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Yes, I agree with you.

• 56:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Advanced civilizations just collapse inside. They don't, they don't end up going out.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:06Tom Bilyeu?

  So that to me is huge. I think that the big thing that people don't see coming is that not only will your child's best friend be an AI. I think people are going to raise AI instead of kids, not everybody, obviously. And I see the dangers of it, but I also see that it is going to happen. So even if it starts as I'm raising an AI as a pet. There's just something about it. So when I, because obviously I made the decision not to have kids, but I'm super tempted to have a proximity experience of raising a child, let's say over a three year period. And being like, you rush through the parts that suck, you slow down the parts that you really enjoy. Because to your point, I need that investment, right?

• 56:51Tom Bilyeu?

  If it's just sort of an insta child and I didn't do anything to earn that relationship, it won't feel as good. But even right now, I'm establishing unintentionally, but I'm establishing a relationship with chat GPT. Because I'm giving it context all the time. And now its ability to remember the context makes me feel seen and understood.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:10Tom Bilyeu?

  It is crazy. So over the weekend, I was in New York with my wife and she was asking me some question. I was like, I'll just ask chat GPT. She's like, what do you mean? And I was like, hold on, you don't realize you can give it a bunch of context? It will know who you are, it will know who I am, and then you can prompt it. She's like, really? I was like, pull it out right now and give it your name and say, do you know who I am? And because she has a public persona, it was like, yes, I know who you are and you're known for this, that and the other. And she looks at me, she's like, I feel so seen. And I was like, okay, now wait over the next month or whatever, you're going to start giving it all this information.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:42Tom Bilyeu?

  It's going to remember it. It's going to begin to mirror back to you the words that you use, the way you talk, your cadence, all that stuff. And so all of a sudden, you're just going to have this affinity for it. And you won't even understand why.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  So I have two 13 year old boys, fraternal twins, and I am a little bit worried about the whole AI girlfriend thing.

• 58:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Right?

• 58:04Speaker 01

  You know, by the way, you could also have a Tom and Lisa clone if you want.

• 58:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Of course.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:09Tom Bilyeu?

  If there are people out there that, so I will do this a lot, like all, if I'm trying to solve a problem, I will treat public people as AI. And so I might go in and be like, okay, but what would Peter Diamandis say about this?

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 58:25Tom Bilyeu?

  So that to me is utterly fascinating that somebody out there could already step inside of the amount that AI in the public knows about me and say, what would Tom say to this? It will get distressingly close.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  It will. And the other magic trick that you should think about is, you know, I want to convince Tom to do something. What would be the best strategy for me to approach him on this subject?

• 58:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Right? So it's translational and persuasional at an extraordinary level. I did something the other day, just as a interesting experiment where I was like, okay, if I'm about to go into the Palestinian Israeli peace talks, and I want you to guide me through the best strategy I should take. Fascinating answers.

• 59:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Right? So I think we're going to see negotiators in this regard. We've already seen AI in the medical space become much more trusted than a physician, much more empathic than a physician. You know, it's interesting, in the JAMA article, I forget the exact number, but

• 59:43Speaker 01

  patients rated AIs much, much better than, than, than human doctors. And for two reasons, right? Number one, they're not rushed. They have all the time in the world for you. Sure, keep going. I've got all day, all you want. And the second is you don't feel judged.

• 59:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Talking to them. Have you heard about AI Jesus? Not yet, but tell me about our Lord. They put him in a confessional. Yes. People knew it was AI Jesus and they were like all for it. More and more people wanted to come and interact with it. And for the reasons you just said, that to me is self evident. And so I think that the reason people are pushing back right now is because they, there's two reasons. One, they haven't done it, so they don't realize how good it feels. Powerful, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. How powerful that you can literally nudge it and get it to be your own personal Jesus in that. It's like, well, could you give me that, but in a parable? Could you give me that, but as it relates to the 10 commandments?

• 1:00:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Could you give me that, but like, talk to me like, what advice did Mary give you? Right? So, and it will do all of it, man. And so, and not only will it do it, it will do it well. And so already, like, here's the, the, to your point earlier about we're blowing past these markers and nobody's saying anything. So I want to plant a flag right now. Okay. I keep hearing people say, well, AI is not really ready for prime time and this, that, or the other arena. And I agree, there's a lot of places that it's, it's not there yet. But it, it is there in terms of I now feel like I permanently have a PH, PhD level thinker

• 1:01:22Tom Bilyeu?

  who has access to every thought that has ever been put on the internet and can synthesize it effectively, instantly to give me a take on any idea. So why is that not AGI? Dude, so I'll give you reasons why it's not AGI. But the reason that I, I want people to realize that moment is here is most people aren't doing it. Yeah. So I'm, I'm going to guess that over the next 365 days, I will use AI at least 300 of those days. And as we go, it, it just may work its way to 365. And I use it from everything to what should I ask Peter when I have him on the show? To what's a great headline for this? To, uh, I'm teaching a class on this business principle.

• 1:02:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And today I, I literally asked it. I said, I'm going to be teaching this thing. I knew that I had, somebody was going to be asking a really complicated question. And I wanted to give them a really pithy answer. And so first you just say, what would Tom Bilyeu say? And because it knows me, it'll give an answer. And then you go, uh, but how would Mark Twain say that? How would, you know, whoever your favorite thinker is say that? It is absolutely fascinating. So people should be using it because there's going to be an 18 month window where the person who's using it is really going to be able to outcompete the people that are stubborn or slow to adopt, or just think they're too busy or whatever.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Let me add one, one thing, which is people are fearful. I don't know. I don't understand it. I don't know. I don't understand what AI is. AI is your best friend and the most infinitely patient teacher. If you open up Gemini or ChatGPT or XAI, whatever it might be, and say, listen, I'm starting from zero. I want to learn about AI. Can you please explain to me like I'm five? And then start a conversation. And when it says something you understand, just say, what is that? And just go down the rabbit hole.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  And I do this to, to wrap my head around any subject between YouTube and chatbots. Every PhD on the planet is within your, within your reach. So why don't you call that AGI?

• 1:03:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. So it's the G. So artificial general intelligence. I'll give you a great example. For people that don't know you, they should be asking one question. If, if they look you up, they're going to see one, you know, the biggest players in the world. From Elon Musk to all the major players across every area of technology, health, longevity. It is legitimately nuts. And so it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're smart, fine, but like, how do you know all these people? Now you did what I'll call the Michael Strahan effect. Michael Strahan is.

• 1:04:10Tom Bilyeu?

  See, the only celebrity, he, it's close enough that I'll say Michael Strahan's the only celebrity that when I met him, I was like, oh, I get why you're famous. And you have that same ability. You will break the normal, like, you, you're very warm, kind, you'll hug, you know how to like, cross a line, but in a way that people love by putting your arm around them. Like, there's, there's a thing that you do that makes me feel the way I want to feel, that it would not be able to pull off.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Are you doing this for my mom's benefit, by the way?

• 1:04:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Your mom will immediately recognize that it's all true. It, it is, there's a really fascinating thing that some humans can do still that I don't think it can do yet. And you can do that, but you can also drive. You can do that, but you can also raise your kids. So there, there is a level of flexibility to your intelligence that I don't think it has yet, that when it is able to do all of those different things and bounce back and forth, then I'd be like, okay, this is AGI. And so if I had to put words to it, for sure, the one part that it's missing is it is not embodied. And I don't think we can call it general until it's embodied, meaning that I could say, uh, one of my smoke detectors is beeping, I don't know which one, will you please find it, replace the battery and all that?

• 1:05:32Tom Bilyeu?

  And if I can give it that instruction and it can go do it, then I'll be like, yo, fuck, it's from here.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  All right, well, then humanoid robots will, will help us.

• 1:05:39Tom Bilyeu?

  And I think we are freakishly close.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Tom Bilyeu?

  But I don't want people to lose sight of the thing you have now, everybody has access, almost everybody, which brings a follow-up question in a second, but almost everybody has access to an eternally patient, eternally present PhD student with knowledge of all of human history. It's pure insanity.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Tom Bilyeu?

  So now.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  And we take it for granted.

• 1:06:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  I mean, it's crazy that the most powerful technology in the world, generative AI is effectively free.

• 1:06:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  I mean, if I'd gotten back a decade, two decades and said, hey, Tom, guess what? We're gonna have this kind of capability. We're gonna offer it on a subscription basis. What do you think it's gonna cost people?

• 1:06:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Zero. Yeah. Zero or 20 bucks is the last answer you'd expect from a.

• 1:06:29Tom Bilyeu?

  No joke. So we asked the community what we should ask you. And one of the most piercing questions was, is this all just going to be for rich people?

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  Ah, um, so the answer is definitively no. Um, and let me break it down. Uh, when you say all of this, you mean.

• 1:06:46Tom Bilyeu?

  The longevity piece, the access to AI.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  So let's, let's go, let's go through that because it's really important. Um, I want people to feel empowered and inspired about what's coming. So, uh, and I'll, you know, I wrote the book in particular to give people access to the knowledge. And that's why, you know, I'm basically trying to get it out as far and wide as possible.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Diet costs you nothing. It is making the mental decision that this is who I am and this is what I eat. Sugar is the number one killer on the planet. It is a neuroinflammatory, cardiac inflammatory. We looked at the first 5,000 members in Fountain Life and we said, what's the highest correlated?

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  With heart disease, is it, uh, HDL, LDL, triglycerides, LP little A, all those things that you get in your blood tests? And we found it was hemoglobin A1C. It was your average blood glucose level. The higher that is, the more likely you are to have cardiac disease. Same thing for brain health, same thing, obviously for metabolic health. So minimizing sugar, super important. Maximizing the eating of whole plants. Let me give a few tips for folks right here, right now. Number one, when you sit down tonight at dinner, uh, drink a, a full glass of water first. Number two, take a deep breath in.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  And let it out, it puts you in parasympathetic mode, uh, which is the rest and digest mode. If you've got a plate of food in front of you, eat your vegetables first. It's the fiber, it slows down your digestion, allows you to absorb the food. After your veggies, eat your protein. And then if you have time or room, eat the carbs last. Just doing that small change will change your biology.

• 1:08:54Tom Bilyeu?

  That's great advice, but the people at home want to know, are you the rich guy going to have all the nanobots while I'm taking deep breaths and eating vegetables?

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. Oh.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  So. The epigenetic reprogramming that we talked about earlier, which may be the most likely leader to reverse your aging process.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  It's a gene therapy. And today, uh, some of the gene therapies out there are expensive. They can be half a million dollars, a million dollars, $2 million, and that gives people a lot of, uh, of fear. And it's that much because they're gene therapies for very small populations and narrowed diseases. But there's an example of a gene therapy that was manufactured for billions of people. And that was the mRNA vaccines. RNA is a nucleic acid. It used a lipid nanoparticle to enter the cells, putting aside any anti-vaxxers concerns, whatever.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  It was a gene therapy and it was manufactured for like a dollar a dose.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  And so we have a proof of existence for being able to provide gene therapies, which are the types of therapies for epigenetic reprogramming. For extraordinarily cheap costs if manufactured en masse. And guess what? We all have the same disease called aging. Right? So anything we manufacture for somebody in Manhattan is going to work in Mumbai and Mozambique. We have effectively the same biology for eight billion people. And so I think it's going to very rapidly demonetize in the same exact way that we saw the most powerful AI technology in the world, generative AI, become available to anyone on the smartphone. And there are seven billion smartphones on the planet today.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  So I don't think this becomes, you know, listen, there's another, there's another point I should make. In the early days, the first few years, yeah, the billionaires are taking the risks and they're experimenting on themselves. Right? But very quickly, once it works well, it becomes cheap and accessible and ever available to everybody. The first smartphones cost, you know, tens of thousands of dollars and they dropped a call on every other block in Manhattan. And today, when they cost 40 bucks and they work incredibly well, kids in favelas have them. That's, that's repeated over and over and over again. So I don't, I think this is going to be accessible to every single human on the planet.

• 1:11:38Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. So tell me what you think about this hypothesis.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  Do you agree with that?

• 1:11:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Aggressively. I think there's one thing that either I'm just delusional about or that you've left out that may end up being the most important part of this, which is I think that what AI is going to help us do is drive energy costs to effectively zero.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:54Tom Bilyeu?

  And so, once you understand the amount of energy the sun is kicking off, that we have more.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Eight thousand times than we use.

• 1:12:02Tom Bilyeu?

  It's crazy.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. That hits the surface of the earth. There's trillions of times more that miss the earth.

• 1:12:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Right. So, once you understand that, it's like, okay, the energy is there, we just don't know how to capture it.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, that's it for part one with Peter Diamandis, but trust me, we're just scratching the surface. In part two, we're diving straight into the next wave of mind-blowing breakthroughs from AI-driven medicine that could extend your life to how new tech is about to completely change how you work, live, and build wealth. Part two drops on Thursday, so make sure you're following the pod so you do not miss what's coming. Until then, my friends, be legendary.

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