Top Model Coco Rocha on the Body Image, Pressure of Industry and How She is Dealing with Hate

For over two decades, Coco Rocha has defied fashion industry expectations, balancing her supermodel career with motherhood while working with top brands like Chanel and Vogue. Despite facing setbacks, including contract losses due to pregnancy and backlash over her TikTok presence, she became a key advocate for labor laws protecting underage models. As an entrepreneur, she founded the Coco Rocha Model Camp and co-owns Nomad Management, where she mentors and shapes the next generation of talent. Links: Follow my Newsletter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://siliconvalleygirl.beehiiv.com⁠ https://siliconvalleygirl.beehiiv.com/ Companies & Products: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://Marinamogilko.co⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://Marinamogilko.co Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/siliconvalleygirl/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/siliconvalleygirl/ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@SiliconValleyGirl⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@SiliconValleyGirl LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠linkedin.com/in/marinamogilko⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.linkedin.com/in/marinamogilko/ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/siliconvalleymm⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://x.com/siliconvalleymm

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• 0:59Speaker 02

  At an age of 14, 15, let's get on a plane, do a shoot, come home. If it was back then, go to school, do your homework.

• 1:07Marina Mogilko?

  What's the crazy story that happened to you?

• 1:09Speaker 02

  There's too many. Being in a room that's just full of fire, being in water, working with an elephant, they have to pee every 15 minutes. If you see me on the airplane, I'm crying. I wanted to be mom more than anything, but I didn't even think what that means for a model. It's not that important.

• 1:25Marina Mogilko?

  What about AI?

• 1:26Speaker 02

  H and M just replaced their models? Why keep everyone around that's mediocre? It's easier to use AI. But if there is still these core people with great values and who are so good at their job, yes, people will still want to be around them.

• 1:39Marina Mogilko?

  How do you become that model? Coco, thank you so much. I'm enjoying this camp a lot, giving me so much energy. And this is your 147th time doing it. Where does the energy come from?

• 1:52Speaker 02

  I honestly, sometimes at the end of it, I'm like, wow, we did that one more time. But it really has to do with the energy of the room. And as you saw, sometimes at the beginning, people can be shy or bashful and you're like, oh, I'm gonna get it out of them. And then there's a moment, something changes in the room and everyone's... Excited, so it's really not my energy, you're feeling their energy and it it helps me too.

• 2:13Marina Mogilko?

  How do you manage this? So you have a camp that runs ten times a year. You are a top model, you have three kids, and you also have a modeling agency and you invest in businesses.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:25Marina Mogilko?

  Okay, tell me how this all works.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  Yes, I think that it's funny how people see the name of anybody like Coco Rocha and therefore she must do it all. It's beautiful teams. We have a fantastic team led by my husband here at Model Camp. I have fantastic managers at Nomad, but plus my personal managers who again, my husband is my manager. So I guess like family oriented is really important, like we keep our business and family, you know, it's close at hand because as you see, my daughter's here. It's not like it's one and the other, it's all one thing. So we make sure that our teams that can support us, you know, personally, that can like be part of the business. We have great grandparents that help with the kids. I, yeah, I just think like the behind the scenes is what people don't register on,

• 3:12Speaker 02

  especially content creators, models, athletes, actresses and actors. They usually just think it's just us doing all the work, like we're some sort of superman.

• 3:21Marina Mogilko?

  It's still a lot of you, right? You're leading this thing. You're here on the weekend. And then you probably have to travel the next two weeks to another part of the world.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I guess in in my mind, that's normal. Like this is how I've grown up in business. At an age of fourteen, fifteen, it's get on a plane, do a shoot, come home. If it was back then, go to school, do your homework. Then I started having more businesses and more opportunities. So I don't really know any different. So when people say you're busy, I'm like, yeah, I guess I am. This is just kind of how it's always been. So they do say, give a busy person something to do and they'll get it done. Right? It's usually the people that do have multifaceted things that you are, people are fascinated by. But they're the ones that are like, no, I can get it done for you.

• 4:04Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, and your husband is always with you. And I used to work with my husband, we stopped. And you know, the reason was I didn't feel safe because everything, all the eggs are in the same basket. Like the whole family during pandemic were in the travel business.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:15Marina Mogilko?

  And like, eh, well, you know, I don't know. Have you ever had these thoughts of like, eh?

• 4:19Speaker 02

  I'm sure I've had a moment or two with this turbulence on a plane and I'm like, we're both on this plane. Um, but on the other hand, I try not to think in in that kind of way. My mom was a flight attendant and so she traveled always and she was a single mom, although my dad did live a few provinces over. So in my head, it was kind of like that was all I had and she was able to travel and do things and support me. So I still think like we we live a safe life. We don't do anything too crazy and yeah, I have thought of that. However, I like to think that because we do work together, we get to share things that most couples don't get to share ever. You know, like our date nights, people laugh, they're like, oh, don't talk about business. I'm like, that is our life.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  We do, we sit and we'll talk about what happened the day or what's the next project, what's the next ideas. Most couples don't get to do that. They don't even know what their significant other did. And then plus, we get to bring our kids. So yeah, I guess there's the pros and cons of stuff, but I see too many pros.

• 5:20Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Of us working together. And funny enough, I think most people, because they think they'll fight. Like, oh, I can't be with them all day long because we're just gonna have too much, you know, friction and tension. We don't fight about work. We'll fight about like, oh, why didn't you make the bed and why is the dish is not done? But it's not work. We're very level-headed when it comes to work. We have the same ideas. Usually when he's saying something, I finish the sentence. So we've, we're compatible to work well together and I do love it. And then I hope my kids, if they ever want to like continue family business, if that's what you call it, they have a a chance to continue doing it with family.

• 6:01Marina Mogilko?

  And you, so you've been in the career for twenty plus years?

• 6:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, I gotta do a little math sometimes.

• 6:06Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, and you mentioned something that it's not about like, of course, looks are important, but it's how you network, how you behave on this, at the set, on the scene. Can you walk me through that, like some of your networking tips and you're nice to people?

• 6:20Speaker 02

  I think one of my, I will talk about it later in some of the classes, but one of my favorite quotes is it's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice. And I think too many models, again, might start their careers with this belief that one day I'll be such a success and I can just, I don't know, be intense, aggressive, nasty. I can do whatever I want because people love a villain. And models aren't villains. The models I know that have made it and successfully made it over and over and over are truly the nice ones in the room, most. It's like a zero point something percent that make it to the top, but will usually be very thoughtful and kind. And, and it really like, in the end, if I were hanging out with someone for eight hours

• 7:04Speaker 02

  and they were just so lovely, but maybe their ears are a little quirky or their nose is a little funny, I'm gonna, I'm gonna think it's beautiful now. But if I see something that I truly thought gorgeous, but internally started to be nasty, rude, somehow, they don't look so gorgeous to me anymore. And I think that is how it works in fashion. Some people might wonder like, why is Coco around? She doesn't have unique features, nothing of brunette girl.

• 7:29Marina Mogilko?

  I think you do.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  But I'm not like.

• 7:31Marina Mogilko?

  When I first saw you on the red carpet, I'm like, oh wow, wow, wow.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  But I'm not lowering myself or saying like, oh, I'm not pretty. I'm just saying, some people could say that. But maybe once they meet me, they're like, oh, I get it now. That's what I think most models at Top are. So for all my models that are starting and are so focused on how they look. Looks do matter, like you said, to a point. But then most people are just gonna be gravitated to you because how you work, how you treat people.

• 7:59Marina Mogilko?

  This energy shows, right?

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, and people just realize you love your job. I want to be around someone that loves their job, not someone that sucks the energy out of a room. All right, even though they're gorgeous.

• 8:11Marina Mogilko?

  What about AI?

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:13Marina Mogilko?

  H and M just replaced their models? They kind of replicated some of their models? What do you think is gonna happen?

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think right now, we're gonna play around with it. And it's gonna be a little shocking, right? It's in the press. If we keep using it, it might not be so shocking, or we might not even care. But there's something to the live audience, the real thing. Uh, for example, you think of theater. Who needs Broadway? No one actually needs it. We can all go watch a movie on Netflix. It's very easy to sit in my bed and watch TV and see something quite fantastic. But there's something about the, the, in the room, the experience to watch someone do it right there. It's just something different. I don't think we're gonna lose that for the next little while.

• 8:54Marina Mogilko?

  What about the commercial, though? Like if it's just, you know, all of the websites they're selling where you're just required to sound like that.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  And it could, you know what, maybe they do start using AI for the simpler things. But look at, we're in a room full of models that don't want to do the simpler things. Isn't that interesting?

• 9:08Marina Mogilko?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  So yeah, models can complain all they want and say AI is taking over. But then on the other flip side, they're complaining that they have these jobs where they just stand there. What do you want? Do you want the job where it's, uh, boring, but you get money? Or are you complaining that AI is taking those? So I don't know yet where I stand on that. But when it comes to the very theatrical photo shoots where the performance has value, I'll see some people will use it because they're just maybe cheap is easier. But there are other people that want the experience.

• 9:39Marina Mogilko?

  The art, right?

• 9:39Speaker 02

  And they want the art and they still exist. And so they'll do it that way, just like, do you know there's a ton of photographers that still use film? That's not easy. They should probably just use digital cameras, but they love the experience of film and they'll continue to use it. So it is going to be kind, like most creative fields, it will start to crumble and we'll figure out what's going on. But then there will be the lie of the tunnel for some individuals. And that's why I say to the models, it's important that you're actually good at your job. Because why keep everyone around that's mediocre? Why keep them people that complain or are mean or nasty? It's easier to use AI. But if there is still these core people with great values and who are so good at their job,

• 10:23Speaker 02

  yes, people will still want to be around them and watch them because it's live art.

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• 11:27Marina Mogilko?

  How do you become that model? Do you think social media for a model is important, social media for us is?

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that we are, and we're gonna have this class a little later, but there there's going to come a time where our content creators or bloggers or, you know, whatever you want to call them and models or traditional models, it's going to be warped into one. You will not be able to model without having a substantial part in social media. And those that have started off in social media, you're gonna have to find a way to make sure that your artistic eye is not just this one direction because people get tired of that. So you have to learn to be amused to other people and sell products that aren't yours. It's one. I think it's so strange how both worlds look badly at each other. Or it's like, you can't be part of my club. Well, you can't. You do.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  And so, models need to take a note from content creators because they took something that was nothing and created an empire. And yeah, content creators look at models and go, how did they get from nothing to all of a sudden on the covers of magazines? What like, we have stuff that we should learn from one another.

• 12:38Marina Mogilko?

  Do you think there exists a fast track to becoming a top model these days? Like you go viral on TikTok and suddenly you're... But like Emma Chamberlain is such a great example, like how she entered the fashion world just being a YouTube creator.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:51Marina Mogilko?

  What do you think about that?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  But how long was she trying to be a YouTube creator?

• 12:54Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, she's been creating on YouTube for over ten years.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  There you go. So I think people say something is fast, forgetting that like there was years before that.

• 13:03Marina Mogilko?

  Maybe not fast, non-traditional, right?

• 13:05Speaker 02

  And I love non-traditional.

• 13:06Marina Mogilko?

  Walking the catwalk. She was just making those blogs and suddenly she's the face of Miyumi and Louis Vuitton.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I love that. That's how I wish models would think now, because so many want a traditional experience to almost say, validate, like, oh, I'm a model because I traditionally did the model path. And nowadays, I'm like, why does that matter? No one's, no one's looking at me going like, oh, tradi- traditional, you're, you're the better ones. It's just like, wow, look at you creating something and people actually resonating with it and they're obsessed with it. And here you are in this new category that you never saw yourself before. How great is that? No one is gonna care. I don't think they should care. Like, were you scouted in a mall? And then you went to a, to an agency and then you became a big time deal.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  I prefer actually the models that had background in creating something on their own. And they know what it's like to achieve and fail, so that when they bring it to modeling, they know how to successfully do this and not do it.

• 14:06Marina Mogilko?

  Do you get any backlash from the fashion world? Like, ah, this is not too artistic. This is not fashion.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  When I started, for sure, I got a lot of, uh, uh, not so much phone calls, more like in-person meetings saying, continue using these platforms and we won't work with you anymore. You're watering down the aesthetic of a fashion model. Um, now, look, all of us have to be on it.

• 14:29Marina Mogilko?

  Did you lose any contracts for that?

• 14:30Speaker 02

  I'm sure, not lost contracts, but I'm sure I lost opportunities I wasn't even aware of.

• 14:36Marina Mogilko?

  Wow.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  And I still think to this day, some people might think I'm gimmicky. Some people might think, you know, Coco used to do such of the traditional world and now look at her, she's doing sort of these silly TikTok videos. Oh. But then I have to say for my business, do I actually want to work or support people that do not see how the future is going? So then it actually is a relief for me to not have. My name associated because those individuals or those companies are gonna figure it out soon. But if they don't figure it out, they're just going to die out as a company. And so I'm fine that I wasn't associated, right? So for all my people building businesses or you're modeling careers,

• 15:20Speaker 02

  it's okay to hear the word no because they don't see your value. And maybe one day they will because they realize in growth that you were on the right path. Or maybe guess what, you were on the wrong path. And in growth, you do find yourself with them. But I never say, you know, you know, don't burn the bridge. I don't need to say to someone, you're wrong and I'm right. I bow gracefully, thank you for your time. And we'll see where we're at at another year, another two years. But at this point, social media has not done me bad, except maybe lost a few opportunities. And those people are now catching up, figuring out how to use this platform that they should have started a long time ago.

• 16:02Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, that's great. But have you ever thought of like slowing down at least? Three kids, you're like, you're doing so many things. Were there any thoughts like, oh, maybe with this, I need to stop, but like double down here so I can be more with my family?

• 16:14Speaker 02

  I think people must think I'm always on the move and traveling. I am very much a stay-at-home mom a lot of the time. Again, those businesses are run by some very beautiful, amazing partners and also teams so that it can all flow. I mean, no joke, my husband is the man behind the scenes. And honestly, I trust his judgment and his decision-making that he'll pretty much be like, hey, you have this option. What do you think? I'll be like, yep. And then I kind of forget about it. He'll be like, and that option is now a job and you're going tomorrow. I just get to literally show up and be around the kids, go to school functions, take them to their like play dates, go. I'm I'm with them all the time. It's my favorite thing.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  And so that's our deal is that he does all the computer work behind the scenes and I'll show up for the jobs. But please let me like hang out and be mom. And he's so great at letting me just having those opportunities.

• 17:09Marina Mogilko?

  So I'm trying to understand your schedule. So in a month, how many days are you a normal mom?

• 17:14Speaker 02

  Every day.

• 17:15Marina Mogilko?

  Every day?

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Um, I, for example, this morning woke up. Uh, my middle boy, he has a um, a project on tornadoes. And so we woke up together and we worked on the project.

• 17:28Marina Mogilko?

  Six AM? Cause the camp started.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Six AM we, he got up, so we got on tornado project. We had breakfast together. My littlest was with grandpa having a sleepover. And my oldest, as you see, is here. So everyone gets a little time. And then after I leave at a very specific time at model camp. I get to go and I tell the models, I'm going home to be mom now. And usually everyone respects that. I'll have movie night with them. I'll do bath tonight. I put everyone to bed. Wake up, they have school tomorrow. Uh, well, James will run them to school before we have model camp. So we're there.

• 18:01Marina Mogilko?

  That you're involved.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're involved and they're right now hanging out with grandparents.

• 18:05Marina Mogilko?

  And you have your grandparents here, so when you travel.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  So grandma right now is from England. She's here for a little bit. My mom's in Canada. She'll come for a little bit. And James's dad lives nearby. So we always just have like a. Someone nearby. And then we have, like I said, some great staff who are literally like their brothers and sisters. Their oldest and they love them. As you see, like I only just went with one of our staff members. She thinks of them as. They're big sisters. And it's great because they, they need support in different ways. And it doesn't always have to be mom and dad, but like they can share with other people. It's fantastic. I wish I had this when I grew up. Not so much the modeling, I'm just saying. The support. I, it was me and my mom. And then when she was gone, I had babysitters.

• 18:50Marina Mogilko?

  And you had fifty eight babysitters.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Fifty eight babysitters. And I didn't have the support. So I think being very present is very important to me. And it is the hardest thing when we travel, say to Cannes or to Paris. Uh, if you see me on the airplane, I'm crying. I'm wishing to be with them. And I know that it's only five days and it's, I don't do that quite often. But I, it bothers me and I think it's young Coco when her mom left. Comes back and she's missing, but I know my kids are like.

• 19:23Marina Mogilko?

  Do you tell yourself this is the last trip?

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Never is it the last trip, it's just, oh, it'll get better. And it's again, when, when I leave, they're fine. Cause they're like, I'm with my, my grandparents, I'm with my brother and sister. I have playdates planned, you've, you know, filled my days, I'm gonna have fun, it's me. It's my little like remembering how it felt. And it's funny how that's just never gone away, so. I really make sure it's always special with them.

• 19:50Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, mine cry so. This is probably the last trip, but I might have two.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  And you know what, they're good, I look back and yeah, I cried when my mom left, but also I'm not like, how horrible.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  But it's, it's things that I'm like, oh, I wish I was on those trips. I bring my kids and one, I'm sure you're gonna like do more and more with them, the older they get. School gets in the way, but it does, it gets, it starts to be so fun where we get to share all this together.

• 20:18Marina Mogilko?

  Like, can you walk with this decision when you're like, oh, I'm gonna have this kid and the second kid and third kid? And I'm a top model and my body is basically my product, right?

• 20:26Speaker 02

  Oh, so the first time, uh, honestly, I, I didn't probably know enough to know. Uh, I think I was pregnant at twenty four. Twenty four, twenty five, and it was just an excitement, like I wanted to be mom more than anything, so I didn't even think of like what that means for a model. Uh, I probably announced it too early, cause everyone's like, oh, she's pregnant, so she has a bump, so we can't work with her. And I was like, oh, well, why am I working now? Um, after having baby, my body seemed to have gone to through its natural course. And a few months later, I was able to go back to work. I was excited to go back to work, whereas some people say the models are pressured to, they have to do it immediately.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  I thought of it as I can't wait to share my new life with my baby in my world that I love. And so as a model, it is, uh, fascinating. We get to kind of decide things when we go to work, like I can decide if I'm bringing my kid or not.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I need to breastfeed.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have to, to work, but also mom has to take care of you, so if that meant like bringing grandparent, well. They'd watch them and I'd shoot and then I would feed. And then at certain points, okay, they can stay home and I'll, I'll work, but other times I'm like, let's just bring. Why not?

• 21:45Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, with the third kid, like when you know what it takes, when they're two years old, three years old, it's like completely different involvement. Where you're like, oh, maybe I should just.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  No, the third one was the day they announced COVID was the day I found out I was pregnant.

• 21:57Marina Mogilko?

  Oh, perfect timing.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  So I was like, I'll just be staying home, being pregnant. It was a little nerve wracking because you're like, there's some something growing in me that I wanted to protect and the world is crazy right now. But no, the third one, I was just, I wanted another baby, so. There was a time where my life, I allowed the industry to, and I say it in a generalization, it's not all bad people, but the industry dictated what I would do and how would I do it and like be thankful and don't mess it up. And I think that I was so over that, that anything when it comes to my decisions now, I won't ever allow that to happen again. So I never really have thought like, oh, why did I get pregnant? I'm gonna mess this all up. It's because I knew that being a mom probably was gonna be far more fabulous than doing this

• 22:42Speaker 02

  five more years, if they told me you were done. And here we are today. We're not done. We're still doing it and I'm glad I took tho- those opportunities. But yes, I know some models that they wouldn't get pregnant because they were so worried about the career. And I'm like, the career is not, not, to me, is not that important to change my entire course of life just so I could be relevant for one more year.

• 23:06Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, and you've done so many other things differently in the industry because you advocated for in New York, right, that girls are now treated as actors, minor girls are treated as minor actors. When you're doing these changes and you're like changing the whole thing completely and you get hate, what is your mindset? Like, how do I continue pushing? What is your support system?

• 23:25Speaker 02

  In 2013, there was a flaw, before 2013, there was a flaw in in that there was no protection for underage models and then we were able to fix that. I thought in my mind, wow, this is going to be that moment in my career where people will look back and be like, remember that time that you did that thing? And I thought it was always going to be a positive reaction. And my first photo shoot after that, I did, I got like a big round of applause at the shoot and I was like, oh, this is it. This is how it will always be. And then one individual just jumped at me and was like, what did you do? Who do you think you are? Because your career is, you know, falling, you thought you should destroy the rest. And I was like, wow. Someone believes that.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  And the room didn't know how to react, so they didn't do anything. And I thought, oh my goodness. Never mind the positive, I might actually be entering rooms where people just can't stand me.

• 24:19Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  And yeah, it it hurts when you have stuff like that, where you realize you're not trying to be the whistleblower, you're not trying to be mean or nasty, you're just thinking that people would like to take care of their models and like to take care of their children. And they didn't see it that way. And so, yeah, I I sometimes still have a hard time in rooms where people look at me and like goody two shoe, the girl that always wants to like better, but is she really that better? I second guess a lot of what people are thinking about me. And it's something I'll have to probably deal with forever.

• 24:52Marina Mogilko?

  How do you deal, doesn't it fade away?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  It doesn't fade away. I'll have great days where I walk in a room and I can tell someone's not in it, I'm like, that's fine. And then other days you're like, why do I feel so vulnerable and and nervous? And I'd say to anyone, it's, you're never gonna have an appropriate reaction, it's just how you're feeling at that time. Hormones, sleep deprived, sick, empowered or not, that is going to dictate how you're going to react to things in that moment. So I never can look back at a moment and be like, you should have done better. That's how I was going to react at that moment for what I was going through at that very time. So that's how I deal with it. And I'm okay if I do cry sometimes from a reaction or response.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  And I'm proud of myself when I react otherwise. But you're right, you do wanna have a team. You want people that can talk to you and be reasonable with you.

• 25:44Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  James is that person with me. It sometimes annoys me how reasonable he is. I'm like, no, I just want you to hear me cry. But he will, like, the other day I had a a moment. And reasonably told me some stuff and I was like, I needed to hear that. That's exactly what I needed to know. I knew it.

• 25:59Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  But I needed to hear it. So for people in business, again, stop finding the yes man. The person that always says yes to you and agrees with you and tells you whatever you wanna hear. Uh, you do need the the no man sometimes. And as much as you hate it in the moment, you don't really wanna hear that you did wrong or you should have done this. Um, those are the people that really. Will benefit your career or your businesses.

• 26:27Marina Mogilko?

  I like how you explain this, you do not avoid these feelings, you just you leap through them and you're like, yeah, this is. Yeah, cuz I thought when I was just starting out the creator career, I was like, probably once I'm ten years into it, I just it developed this immune system against hate, never happens.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  Also, it's because you're a good person. So, good people.

• 26:46Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, I get.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  You're not gonna turn into some sort, I hope you don't turn into some robot that has no feelings anymore. I hope you react, I hope you're like, oh, that ignited something that's frustrating me. But if you all of a sudden just like, nothing bothers you, that's strange. And I, I don't want that for people, but like you heard me in class, I do want people to like hear, um, you know, uh, feedback on a photo shoot and not assume it's always negative. Like, not everything someone says to us should be translated as like, they don't like me, they hate me.

• 27:19Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  And I think that's one thing we all need to add in our filter system. It's like, filter that a little before you judge it completely.

• 27:27Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, like thinking of yourself as a business.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, just figure it out.

• 27:30Marina Mogilko?

  Business, me, producer, you know, all the difference.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  And, and so, yeah, sometimes I remember saying to people, um, early on my career, this person bullied me and this person did this and this and this. And looking back, I was like, no, they weren't trying to bully me, I just was immediate response was, that's what they were trying to do. So, I always say like, filter it, just make sure like, what you are seeing is what exactly they're actually giving.

• 27:57Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  And to your surprise, you might realize, not everyone is a meanie, not everyone's trying to be a bully. Depending on their background, where they, their upbringing, where they live, they might just speak matter of fact.

• 28:09Marina Mogilko?

  Exactly.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  And you're from a place where it's, you're a little more soft in your approach.

• 28:13Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, I need some beauty tips from Coco, who has three kids and travels around the world. Um, so when you're going on a sixteen hour trip.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:22Marina Mogilko?

  For three days in China, I don't know.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:24Marina Mogilko?

  What is your strategy of staying alive?

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, you know what, I could sleep on the dot, like I, on a plane, I, I can really just fall asleep, wake up, start. As moms, I think we're very sleep deprived, so I think it's actually great for our kind of work cuz you can take a few hours and start the day. I don't think I have the greatest answers when models ask me, or if people ask me like, how do you do it? Um, it's again, like, ah, there's light at the end of the tunnel. When I get back from that trip, I'll go back to normal life, normal experiences. I'll be able to go to bed in my, and sleep. But right now, it's chaos. And so, get through it.

• 29:07Marina Mogilko?

  Just survive.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Just survive.

• 29:09Marina Mogilko?

  No, I don't know.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 29:11Marina Mogilko?

  Just do just.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  And also, like, that to me, try to find positive out of a negative.

• 29:16Marina Mogilko?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  The negative might be, oh my goodness, I'm gone for hours and I only have to be there for a few hours in the back of the plane. I get to go watch movies and eat on a plane, sleep. And no one's pulling my clothes, even though I'm upset that I'm not with them. There's also like, wow.

• 29:32Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  There's this piece in a little like, this movie I've always wanted to watch. Yeah, there's something exciting about that. So try to find the like, excitement in things that you might dread. Yes, it's sixteen hours, but also how cool that you get to hang with your bestie.

• 29:47Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  Have a champagne, watch that movie, do your job, and then come back. Life is not that hard for, especially the content creators and the models.

• 29:57Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  We're not curing cancer, we're not fighting wars. So yeah, I think a little sleep deprived, we're gonna be okay.

• 30:04Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, this is, and this reflects on all your work ethic, like what you're talking about, like during the show, love that. What's the craziest story that happened to you throughout your?

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Oh, there's too many. You're gonna hear later. I'm gonna save those for uh, tomorrow night. I, we have our like, I share all my silly, crazy photo shoots and stories. But uh, you name it, it's probably happened. Weird stuff, like, working with animals, they're not fun. Uh, being in a room that's just full of fire, being in water, working, did you know, working with an elephant? They have to pee every fifteen minutes, so you have to get the photo and then they gotta go. Working with other people's children, it's kinda hard because it's not even your child. We call it guerrilla style, when you don't have the right to be maybe in a building or on the grounds. But you're shooting really fast and hoping no one gets you in trouble.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, things where it's like, you can't control the sun, you can't control the environment, but you have to produce this moment. Those are usually the most challenging. And then, of course, the team. You never know if you're getting, you know, a good team or a bad team early on in your career, because you don't know everyone. So that, I think, was the challenging moments, is like, oh, I have a bully on set, or, oh, this person. It's just not fun to work with, but now I get to, let's say, get to pick my teams a little more. And so it's it's great. It's fun. I love having a shoot where it's just full of laughs and giggles. And we create some fantastic things.

• 31:26Marina Mogilko?

  We're almost done. I just actually wanted to show you some photos.

• 31:33Marina Mogilko?

  Just a sec. What would you say to this Coco? Any advice for her?

• 31:38Speaker 02

  That photo looks so much like Ione right now. It's kind of crazy. I remember shooting that in like lower Manhattan. I remember being so lost in like movement, didn't know what I was doing. But playing with my hair, my long, long hair. The photographer was like, yeah, keep going. And all the photos is just me tangling my hands in my hair. Around that time, I do remember hearing from a photographer saying, he showed me a photo of a famous model at the time. Her name is Gemma Ward. From Australia and he wanted me to copy this pose. And he said, be like this model. And then he said, you'll never be like her.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  But like, try to be her. And I, I look back at that, what a strange thing to, that guy already decided that I would never make it. But try to make it, but you're never gonna make it. And I think it's such as a shocking attitude. To come to anything, being like, well, it's never gonna happen. So I even try. And I that that time in my life, I remember hearing a lot of that. You're never gonna make it, but like, I guess just do try. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna try now. You told me I can't have it. I I definitely now I'm gonna try for it.

• 32:50Marina Mogilko?

  Who is Coco Rocha in five to seven years? What are you doing? Where are you?

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Coco Rocha, I'm assuming is still working with the next generations. If it is model camp, if it's in other ways. Uh, I think that this will never be something, education in fashion is never gonna die out, right? It evolves and we.

• 33:08Marina Mogilko?

  I think you should call this camp Coco Rocha Confidence Camp for like all women, because it's for everyone. It's just for models.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  It's true. It started off for models, assuming that's who wanted this information. And you're right. Since then, it has been all sorts of beautiful people coming in here. With the intent of like producing imagery in their businesses. But yeah, maybe it is going into like life coaching of

• 33:32Marina Mogilko?

  Exactly.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  In another field, but it is still something special to me. I think we have something beautiful here. And I'd love, we're at five thousand ish models that have come through here.

• 33:42Marina Mogilko?

  Fascinating.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  I would love to hear that number in the tens and the hundreds of thousands. And that to the point where the industry has slowly evolved into something far more beautiful than it it is right now. We're on a good path and journey, but we need to like go faster and quicker.

• 33:57Marina Mogilko?

  So would would you say this is the most exciting thing you do now in your career?

• 34:00Speaker 02

  I think that this is the most fulfilling when I see the feedback of what has happened to the models. Like when I hear like a year's time from now, I'm like, wow, James will be like, that girl, she came to model camp. I'm like, wait, isn't that, oh, my goodness, I just saw her. That's always amazing. Not that model camp was the moment that changed their career, but it's just fun to know you had a little bit of part of it.

• 34:23Marina Mogilko?

  Yeah, Coco, thank you so much. You're exciting. You're fascinating. Everything that you do is so much inspiration for everyone watching. Thank you so much.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Thanks for being here. Get ready for your next class now.

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