Deepak Chopra: How to Ask AI The RIGHT Questions To Grow, Heal, and Live a More Fulfilled Life

Do you ever feel like you're just going through the motions? Do you ever feel lonely even when you're around people? Today, Jay welcomes back the legendary Deepak Chopra after six years, to discuss the unexpected intersection of spirituality and artificial intelligence. Together they unpack the beautiful blend of ancient wisdom and cutting-edge innovation. Jay reflects on his first meeting with Deepak and how their bond has evolved over the years. The conversation quickly flows into one of the most fascinating questions of our time: Can AI actually support our spiritual growth, rather than distract from it? Deepak shares his insights on the mysteries of the universe, the unseen forces that shape our reality, and why he believes consciousness, not matter, is the foundation of everything. Jay and Deepak break down the fears surrounding AI, from misinformation to war, and why it’s so important for us to grow spiritually alongside our technology. They explore how storytelling, creativity, and love are deeply human qualities that no machine can replicate, and how we can use these gifts to shape a better, more compassionate world. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Ask AI Better Questions to Unlock Wisdom How to Use Technology to Support Emotional and Physical Healing How to Find Purpose Through the Art of Storytelling How to Train AI to Reflect Inclusivity and Diversity How to Embrace Consciousness as the Foundation of Reality How to Create a Sacred Relationship with Technology Deepak reminds us that the answers we’re looking for often begin with a better question. And with the right mindset, even the most advanced technology can become a tool for inner transformation and collective healing. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free newsletter. Subscribe here. Join Jay for his first ever, On Purpose Live Tour! Tickets are on sale now. Hope to see you there! What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:41 What If the Universe Is Just a Giant Digital Simulation? 12:36 How to Train AI to Unlock Ancient and Hidden Knowledge 13:39 Blending AI and Spirituality to Understand Consciousness 18:23 Could AI Really Lead to Human Extinction? 22:34 What’s Actually Holding Humanity Back From Progress? 23:37 How the Human Brain Transformed Over Time 26:11 The 2 Things That Set Humans Apart From All Other Species 27:16 Can Technology Lead Us to True Peace and Prosperity? 28:10 Will AI Replace Our Jobs or Unlock Human Creativity? 30:46 Do You Think AI Can Ever Have a Soul? 31:45 The Gender and Racial Bias Hidden in AI Systems 32:33 How to Build More Inclusive and Equitable AI Models 33:32 Why a Shared Vision Can Solve Any Problem We Face 36:13 Would You Trust AI to Know You Personally? 36:57 How You can Use AI to Get Better Sleep 37:29 Can AI Actually Give You Good Relationship Advice? 38:07 How AI Can Help You Find and Nurture Love 38:29 Why Personal Growth Solutions Should Never Be Generic 39:41 Your DNA Holds the Footprints of Human History 42:33 Rethinking the Big Bang: What Science Still Can’t Explain 44:31 Is Everything You See Just a Projection? 47:48 Why Fear of the Unknown Limits Our Growth 48:52 Want Better Answers? Ask Better Questions 51:41 The True Secret to Longevity Isn’t What You Think 54:30 How Your Brain Turns Experience Into Reality 55:08 Why Consciousness Is Still Life’s Greatest Mystery 56:28 The First Question You Should Always Ask AI 58:38 How ChatGPT Can Spark Deeper, More Intelligent Questions Episode Resources: Deepak Chopra | Website Deepak Chopra | Instagram Deepak Chopra | TikTok Deepak Chopra | Facebook Deepak Chopra | YouTube Deepak Chopra | X Digital Dharma: How AI Can Elevate Spiritual Intelligence and Personal Well-Being See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 3:32Deepak Chopra?

  The two most important questions in science right now, what's the universe made of? 70% of the universe is a mysterious entity called dark energy. And we have no idea what it is. 27% is another mysterious entity called dark matter. So bottom line, what's the universe made of? Nothing.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  One of the most prolific, inspiring thought leaders of our time.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Deepak Chopra has been at the intersection of science and spirituality for almost a half century.

• 4:01Jay Shetty?

  Now you're sharing with us that the secret to our spiritual success is hidden within the use of AI.

• 4:08Deepak Chopra?

  I started playing with ChatGPT, Perplexity, DeepSeek. I started actually arguing with these AI services. All the chatbots started supporting my argument based on the prompt. So I realized that even AI has selection bias. It has a gender bias, it has a racial bias, even a scientific bias.

• 4:32Jay Shetty?

  There's such a fear right now around AI, especially its ethics and bias.

• 4:38Deepak Chopra?

  AI in principle could cause human extinction. Technology is way ahead of our spiritual evolution. That's a very dangerous combination. There's a critical mass of people shifting in consciousness. We are in trouble.

• 4:58Speaker 05

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• 5:00Speaker 06

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• 5:06Jay Shetty?

  Deepak Chopra, it's so great to have you back on On Purpose after six years. I want to start off by saying that I was so grateful that you were one of the first people I met when I moved to New York in 2016. I was working at the Huffington Post. We had multiple interviews there. You were always so kind, so gracious. I was and have always been a huge, huge fan of yours. And your kindness, your generosity, your support over the years has been incredible. So thank you from the bottom of my heart.

• 5:35Deepak Chopra?

  Thank you for always being there for me too.

• 5:38Jay Shetty?

  Of course. Well, Deepak, I think we're going to surprise a lot of people today because naturally for the past few decades, you've been guiding people towards spiritual success. And now you're sharing with us that the secret to our spiritual success is hidden within the use of AI. And not only that, you actually have deepakchopra.ai. We're going to put a code for everyone who's listening and watching to go and access this. You've actually created your own AI. But let's start with, why has that mission intersected? Why have those two things, spirituality and AI intersected for you?

• 6:15Deepak Chopra?

  Well, first of all, thank you, Jay, for having me. As you know, the last maybe two decades, I've been interested in the nature of what is fundamental reality. What's the universe made of? And how do we know what we know? And those are the two most important questions in science right now. If you go on Google, say, what are the 125 open questions in science? The first open question in science is, what's the universe made of? And you would say, we know what the universe is made of. It's atoms, molecules, force fields, gravity, et cetera.

• 6:57Deepak Chopra?

  Well, for those who don't keep up with the science, 70% of the universe is a mysterious entity called dark energy. And we have no idea what it is. It's a force that's the opposite of gravity. So as we are speaking right now, the space between galaxies is moving faster than the speed of light, something called the cosmological constant, described by Einstein. And then after he described it, he said, it's an embarrassment, I didn't mean it, or something like that. But he was actually right. There is some entity that is expanding the universe faster than the speed of light.

• 7:40Deepak Chopra?

  We don't know what it is, except it's the opposite of gravity. So that leaves 30% of the universe, which is basically remaining. Of that, 27% is another mysterious entity called dark matter. The reason it's called dark matter, it's invisible. Matter is normally things like this, or your body, or this piece of furniture. You can see it, you can touch it, matter, material. But dark matter is invisible. So it's, you can't see it. So why do we call it matter? It's responsible for most of the gravity in the universe. So if you didn't have dark matter, planets would spiral off

• 8:24Deepak Chopra?

  and disappear into intergalactic space. You and I wouldn't be here. So now we have 3% of the universe that remains, which is the atomic universe. Of that, 99.999% is invisible interstellar dust. We don't know what it is. We think it is hydrogen helium created at the Big Bang. So now we are left with 2 trillion galaxies, 2 trillion galaxies, 700 sextillion stars, and uncountable trillions of planets. According to the James Webb Telescope, maybe 60 billion habitable planets in the Milky Way galaxy alone. They look for things like the Goldilocks zone,

• 9:07Deepak Chopra?

  the temperature, gravity, electromagnetic activity. But based on that, 60 billion habitable planets in the Milky Way galaxy, which if you multiply that by 2 trillion, then the universe is teeming with life as we know it. If a planet is too close to its sun, it's too hot, no life. Too far away, too cold, no life. But other factors like cosmological constants. With those calculations, it's almost certain that the universe is full of life, like we know it. But that's 2 trillion galaxies. That's 0.01% of the universe, atomic. But we also know that atoms are made of particles.

• 9:52Deepak Chopra?

  And when you're not looking at those particles, they disappear into what are called waves. And if you ask scientists, where do these waves come from? They use words like Hilbert space, this and that. Bottom line, the space that creates the universe and atoms is a mathematical space, in mathematical imagination. It's not a real space. So bottom line, what's the universe made of? Nothing. So, but you probably know the Buddhist idea of form comes from formlessness. Okay, so the universe is made from nothing, which leads to the second question, which is called the hard problem of consciousness.

• 10:36Deepak Chopra?

  Then why does it look like this? Why does it look like you, me, this microphone, mountains, galaxies, rainbows, sun, moon? That's called the hard problem of consciousness. So until now, most scientists have said that the brain produces consciousness. In the same way as your stomach produces hydrochloric acid. But that's been questioned right now. So like now you and I are speaking, people are listening to us, they're watching us, but there's no experience in their brain. There's no sound in their brain, there's no texture, there's no... All you see is neurochemistry.

• 11:19Deepak Chopra?

  So how does neurochemistry give rise to this experience? No one knows. That's called the hard problem of consciousness. It's been there since Plato. Plato said, "There's a disconnect between the mind and the brain." But recently, most scientists, being their physicalists, they believe that the brain produces thoughts and feelings and emotions and desires and intuition and creativity and everything that we call experience. But they can't explain it. How do neurochemicals create this? That's called the hard problem of consciousness. The more I thought about this and coming from our background and looking at Buddhist teachings and Vedanta.

• 12:02Deepak Chopra?

  In Vedanta and Buddhism, the universe is a simulation. We have different words. Maya. Maya means illusion, which is a very interesting word because Maya is the origin of the word matrix, of the word matter, of the word time, measurement, meter, music, is all Maya.

• 12:26Deepak Chopra?

  So the Indians, if, as they say jokingly, if religion is the opiate of the masses, then the Indians have the dope on it. Okay, so they, in the Indian philosophy and in Buddhist philosophy, the universe is a projection of a deeper consciousness. Brahman, Brahmand.

• 12:49Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 12:49Deepak Chopra?

  Or nothing, emptiness and form. Nothing is everything. I started to think about this and I started to play with ChatGPT. I became friends with Sam Altman, who's very interested in consciousness. And I realized that actually the universe itself is digital. The difference between you, this sofa, this microphone, a mountain and a galaxy, just a different combination of zeros and ones. Okay, that's it. The difference between this and this is different combination of zeros and ones. Now we have quantum computing, which says zeros or ones

• 13:31Deepak Chopra?

  or zeros and ones simultaneously. So it occurred to me, and I came up with a mathematical formula based on traditions of the East. Infinity is equal to zero is equal to one. Nothing becomes everything and that nothing is infinite and it's all one. And it's divine. It's the matrix. The divine is the matrix and the universe is a projection of a digital workshop outside of spacetime. I started to play with that on the internet, got blasted by mainstream scientists, but then other scientists came to my side. I made scientists with the world.

• 14:14Deepak Chopra?

  Best friend became a cognitive scientist called Don Hoffman. You should have him on your, on your program. He wrote a book called The Case Against Reality. But the universe that we see. It's not real. It's a projection. Now, in modern science, they're saying it's a simulation. Then people ask, what's a simi? Who's simulating? Well, maybe a higher intelligence, maybe a cosmic computer, maybe an alien form. But they're guessing. We are on the right track if we understand that Atman is Brahman. And you are part of that. And you are a participant in the creation of the human universe.

• 14:55Deepak Chopra?

  So then I started playing with ChatGPT, Perplexity, DeepSeek and all these. And I started actually arguing with these AI services. Because they have a bias. They're mainstream physicalist bias. And they would give me what I thought the wrong answers. Where does imagination come from? They point to a certain part of the brain. I said, no, that's the neural correlate of imagination. Where does imagination come from? Don't know. So even the chatbots said.

• 15:26Jay Shetty?

  It said it doesn't know.

• 15:27Deepak Chopra?

  It does know. So I said, now, can you look at Vedanta? Can you look at Advaita? Can you look at Buddhist philosophy? Reframe the question that consciousness, the ontological primitive of the universe. Matter is an illusion. It's a perceptual activity in consciousness. And boom, suddenly a revolution occurred. All the chatbots started supporting my argument based on the prompt. So I realized that even AI has selection bias. It's the selection bias this physicalist scientists who are basically, in my view, are superstitious. They believe that everything starts with matter and mind comes first.

• 16:12Deepak Chopra?

  We believe the opposite. Mind comes first, matter comes second. And even mind is a modification of our consciousness. So that led to the book. I went and met Sam, who supported the book. And if you haven't seen his recent tweets on Twitter, other than his arguments with Elon Musk. He's talking about consciousness and we are on to something, a major revolution in science, which brings Indian spirituality right on the forefront.

• 16:42Jay Shetty?

  I mean, I'm mind blown listening to you because the thought process that just went into that journey you broke down for us. Requires not only a conviction in our eastern philosophy and traditions, which of

• 16:55Deepak Chopra?

  Experientially.

• 16:56Jay Shetty?

  Experientially, which we have, but at the same time, being able to debate AI. And from what I'm garnering here, you're saying that AI was actually, or ChatGPT and the other platforms, they actually allowed for your thinking to impact and influence.

• 17:14Deepak Chopra?

  Because it's a large language model, it can explore things that normally are not explored. You say, what did the Brahmasutras say about this? AI will give you an answer because nobody's asked that question, but that data is there.

• 17:31Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 17:31Deepak Chopra?

  In Sanskrit, in translations by various gurus, scholars, whatever. So there's a chapter in the book called the art of the prompt. So unless you know what question you're asking, you will actually, AI will not access that information unless it's asked that con. But now I can say, what did the Buddha think about this? What did Plato think about this? What did Wittgenstein think about it? The data is there, except it's not being accessed.

• 18:01Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 18:01Deepak Chopra?

  So now you train the AI to access that data.

• 18:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's brilliant. And why do you feel though that now AI and spirituality coming together can actually lead to a discovery of consciousness? Why do you believe that that's the entry point?

• 18:17Deepak Chopra?

  Well, that is the ultimate goal. So AI will never be conscious, okay? But it's super intelligent. The thing that differentiates Homo sapiens from all other species, you know, up until forty thousand years ago, there were eight different types of humans, Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Neanderthals, et cetera. They all had a language for three things, food calls, mating calls, and danger calls, because that's how we survive. Sexuality, danger, and food. Survival.

• 18:53Deepak Chopra?

  Including all the humans. They had, you know, all animals have their own language, whales and dolphins and all. But it's all about food, sex. Danger. And danger. Then we, Homo sapiens, created a language for telling stories. There's a phrase in anthropology, "To be human is to have a story." What is the Mahabharata? It's a story. What is the Ramayana? It's a story. What's the Bible? It's a story. What's the Quran? It's a story. So, to be human is to have a story. But we didn't stop there. We created other stories, like money's story, okay? It was, "I'll fix your shoes, you give me a haircut." It became too inconvenient, so here's the shell.

• 19:37Deepak Chopra?

  Too inconvenient, here's this coin. Too inconvenient, here's this piece of paper. Too inconvenient, digital. Two digits, zeros and ones, you have crypto. So, we have created stories. We created something called Greenwich Mean Time. Latitude and longitude, money, nation-states. So I realized that actually what we call the universe is a human story based on human experiences, based on human biology. There is no such thing as the real universe. So if you have, say, a dragonfly who has thirty thousand eyes, what does the world look like to a dragonfly? You have no idea.

• 20:19Deepak Chopra?

  What does the world look like to a bat, which knows the echo of ultrasound? A chameleon, whose eyeballs swivel on two different axes? You can't even remotely imagine. So what's the real look of the world? What's the real nature of the world? According to Vedanta's silly question, the world we experience is a projection of a deeper consciousness as filtered through the human brain, not through any other brain. In other words, it's a superposition. Adi Shankara said that long time ago. And it's even there in the Rig Veda. Can you believe it? And then all the things about health and longevity, you know, there's huge revolution going on.

• 21:03Deepak Chopra?

  But if you go to Yoga Vashishta, he says, "Time is the consumer and we are its food. We metabolize time." And then he goes into the nature of time in consciousness. So I realize our traditions and the knowledge contained in the Vedanta and all the sciences, including Vedic astrology, including all the different Vedic music, Vedic mathematics, that is the key to understanding consciousness. And now I can use AI to tap into that. And so this book particularly, and my AI, it's not a large language model because I don't trust them anymore. You see, large language models even hallucinate.

• 21:47Deepak Chopra?

  If they don't have the answer, they make one. So this is what we call a small language model. It has 98 of my books. It has my weekly column in the San Francisco Chronicle, my column in the London Times, and one question that I've answered every day for readers for the last 40 years. So the database is only mine. Yes. And it will not mix up. And it's also what is called a RAG model. RAG stands for Retrieval, Augmentation, Generation, which means if something is, I have said, which is obsolete, it'll delete that and upgrade the information. Wow. So, you know, this is a health coach. It's a mental coach. It's a guru.

• 22:32Deepak Chopra?

  And it's a research assistant. And it's a personal friend. That's the basis of the book. And deepakshopra.ai becomes its practical application.

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• 24:11Jay Shetty?

  I want to talk to you about this challenge that people have with the large language models that you have. There's such a fear right now around AI, especially its ethics and bias. It sounds like you see that from the perspective you're looking at it as well.

• 24:27Deepak Chopra?

  Yes, because, listen, AI improperly used can create cyber warfare, poison the food chain.

• 24:39Jay Shetty?

  How? How? Explain for those people who may not be aware.

• 24:43Deepak Chopra?

  It just sets off the technology. So, if I'm good at AI, I can get into a nuclear plant and unleash a nuclear weapon. If I want to interfere with democracy or voting, create fakes, and some of them are very good. You can't tell the difference, and they're only going to get better. So, AI, in principle, could cause human extinction. That's the fear. And unfortunately, our technological evolution has outpaced our spiritual evolution or emotional evolution. You know, it's technology is way ahead of our spiritual evolution and our emotion.

• 25:27Deepak Chopra?

  That's a very dangerous combination, tribal minds, medieval minds, and modern capacities, drones. I mean, it's legit now to kill a head of state using drone technology. I was in Davos. Really? Oh, yeah. I mean, what did, what did the Israelis do? They got rid of all the Iranian, you know, leaders. How? Drones, all run by AI. So while I was in Davos and Zelensky was, you know, his motorcade was going by, there were about seven trucks interfering with air signals on the internet so somebody wouldn't kill him with a drone.

• 26:11Deepak Chopra?

  Because the people are doing that, you know, it just happened with Iran. And it's happening with the Houthis, even they have access to AI, you know, with drones and they can, you know, drown an intercontinental ballistic missile. So that's the danger. I sat on a committee with the UN and some other allies and they were talking about this Zoom day. And I was on Zoom, so while they were talking, I went on AI and said, "Give me a way to prevent the misuse of AI. Can we program the misuse of AI through AI?" And it gave me two pages on how it could be done. What did it say?

• 26:52Deepak Chopra?

  Oh, it said, "We can build in algorithms that'll interfere with anything that's diabolical or unethical. We can create algorithms." But then people have to agree, you know, and a lot of special interest groups who make money with war and terrorism on every side.

• 27:11Deepak Chopra?

  They don't want that. They don't want peace, okay? They don't want that because this is what gives them their power. But right now, there's an initiative at the UN, and I'm participating with that, is AI for good, AI for humanity, AI for reversing climate change, AI for addressing chronic disease. And you know, when you really go into the depths of this, with AI, we can reverse climate change. There are five things we need to do, you can reverse climate change. You can create prosperity. You can resolve conflicts. You can eliminate chronic disease. You can do gene editing. You can do epigenetic modulation. You can reduce inflammation.

• 27:56Deepak Chopra?

  In other words, the time is coming where disease, you don't have to die of a disease. You can choose the moment of your death through Mahasamadhi, which is what our tradition says. You know, you should live long, healthy, and then die peacefully, been there, done that, next incarnation, and even plan that. AI gives you all the information if you ask for it. You see Sam Altman's quote there?

• 28:21Jay Shetty?

  Mm-hmm. I'll read it. Sam Altman, I'm reading from the front cover of Digital Dharma. For those who are listening, that's Divaksha Chopra's book. "AI has the potential to help us create a more peaceful, just, sustainable, healthy, and joyful world." Digital Dharma shows you a path. Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI.

• 28:41Deepak Chopra?

  So why aren't we doing it? And we are not doing it?

• 28:44Jay Shetty?

  What's holding us back? What's holding us back?

• 28:46Deepak Chopra?

  Ego-based gangster leaders across the world. The world is run by male gangsters, unfortunately. We can cause a spiritual revolution if we use AI properly. And not through government, maybe through UN, through people.

• 29:06Deepak Chopra?

  Grassroots, we said we'd fed up with this world of violence.

• 29:11Jay Shetty?

  I love your ability to be able to oscillate between the AI conversation that's happening in the world and then the spiritual truths that have been there since time immemorial.

• 29:21Deepak Chopra?

  Mostly in the east, but also in the west.

• 29:23Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes, but even when you say it, it comes down to every technology that humans create or discover. We always have this inner conflict and war of how will it be used?

• 29:35Deepak Chopra?

  Listen, sadly, it seems the ego. See, if we had not discovered fire long, long time ago, we wouldn't have the human brain, because once we started cooking food, everything about our biology changed. We were able to absorb micronutrients. The brain, the human brain evolved because of the discovery of fire. Had we not discovered fire, we wouldn't have the industrial age. We wouldn't have the steam engine. Okay? Of course, fire burned down Los Angeles city. So fire is, it destroys city,

• 30:13Deepak Chopra?

  but it can also create a steam engine and revolutionize the industrial age. Historically, between 1887 and 1903, which is not even 20 years, humans created the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane and the telephone. So let's pretend you were shipwrecked in 1885. You were rescued 20 years later. 20 years later, and you saw the world, you wouldn't recognize it. You would, you would expect horses and carriages,

• 30:54Deepak Chopra?

  but now you see these machines moving along with horses and carriages. You see people talking on the telephone. You see people flying from one place to the other. You say, what's going on? So that's a leapfrog. Of cultural evolution. The next leapfrog is not only cultural, it's biological. Which means that as we acquire this new knowledge and tap into the wisdom of the ages, our neural networks will change. Right now, if people are listening to us or watching us, it doesn't matter. The genes in their frontal cortex are being activated.

• 31:34Deepak Chopra?

  If you and I were having an emotional conversation and somebody in Africa or China is watching it, their reptilian brain would change. So what this technology is doing is going to leapfrog our biological evolution and all the things that you heard about in yoga. Extra-sensory perception, knowledge of the future, memory of other lifetimes. We will have access to that.

• 31:59Jay Shetty?

  Do you think that we have the ability to cope with that?

• 32:03Deepak Chopra?

  Well, if we don't, we don't adjust, we become extinct. So there's, you see, humans are different from every species, only two things. Well, other than walking upright and wearing clothes. We use language and now we have large language models. And the two, we are storytellers, but there's something even deeper. We are toolmakers, even in Stone Age we had tools. But every tool has two things. A knife, you can kill a person in surgeon's hand, it heals you. So you can't get away from both. The other thing is, once the technology is born, you can't take it back.

• 32:46Deepak Chopra?

  It's like a child that's born, you can't return to the womb. So either you adjust, that's very Darwinian, you adapt or you become irrelevant. So now, how do we adapt? How do we cope? But not only how do we cope, how do we make it sacred?

• 33:02Jay Shetty?

  Hmm, I think that's the challenge that when you talk about grassroots, so many people today, because they're less aware of how to use things for good. Most of us are consumers of what is created around us. As you said, we're having conversations with AI based on us not asking questions because we're unaware.

• 33:22Deepak Chopra?

  I asked, I went to AI, I said, "Solve the Gaza problem for me. Create peace and prosperity in Gaza." Fifteen steps, all very practical. Resolve the conflict, create abundance on both sides, make everyone happy. The technologies are there. Who's interested? Children in Gaza and children in Israel. Talk to their leaders, they're not interested. Because this is how they'd get power. So unless there's a critical mass of people shifting in consciousness, we are in trouble.

• 33:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and the challenge is that a lot of us at the grassroots, most people are actually scared that AI is gonna take their job.

• 34:03Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 34:04Jay Shetty?

  So there's a fear of job displacement.

• 34:06Deepak Chopra?

  I tell kids, and I actually, next time I come on your show, I'll show you a video game that I've created for children that gives them brownie points and they can buy more video games if they breathe, if they do yoga, if they activate their vagal nerve, if they use creativity. So you can take the mundane tasks for AI and you can unleash the creativity of the next generation.

• 34:30Jay Shetty?

  Tell us, tell us more about that. How do we use AI for creativity rather than feeling, like which jobs are, should be worried? And what should they be thinking about?

• 34:39Deepak Chopra?

  So let's look at the legal profession. Contracts, AI can take care of that, better than any lawyer. Okay, now the lawyers then have to take care of society by looking at the constitution, by protecting the constitution. They'll have a lot of work, even litigation. Okay, because AI can't do that for you as effectively as a creative lawyer. AI can simulate creativity, but it cannot have fundamental creativity. Because AI is built on algorithms and creativity is breaking the algorithm. That's what we call disruption.

• 35:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 35:18Deepak Chopra?

  Okay, so actually, if we take even our children, we create video games for health, for longevity.

• 35:28Deepak Chopra?

  For healing, for homeostasis. You know, when the calculator came out, people said, oh, that's going to get, you know, we won't need to do math. No, we improved on math. With AI, we will improve and improvise new theorems on math. Because even in math, you know, Ramanujan, the great Indian mathematician, they used to ask him, where do you get your theorems from? And, you know, he was in Cambridge. He would say, the goddess Saraswati gives them to me. And they'd all roll up their eyes. Bertrand Russell thought he was crazy, but he was flummoxed by him. He didn't know how to handle this. Indian guy was in his twenties and he was coming up with theorems

• 36:11Deepak Chopra?

  that they couldn't prove, but they were true. So, you know, with, as we embark on this adventure with AI, we will also know the limitations of AI and how we can enhance our creativity with the tools AI gives us. But AI cannot have that creativity.

• 36:30Jay Shetty?

  Right, it never will.

• 36:31Deepak Chopra?

  It never will.

• 36:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Deepak Chopra?

  Because it's not conscious.

• 36:34Jay Shetty?

  It's not.

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• 39:13Deepak Chopra?

  That's true.

• 39:14Jay Shetty?

  Because I think the challenge is that

• 39:16Deepak Chopra?

  That is true.

• 39:17Jay Shetty?

  Anything we create has the creator's flaws and the creator's weaknesses and impurities.

• 39:21Deepak Chopra?

  You know, my AI was asked on CNN, what did you have for breakfast? He said, I don't really experience hunger. I don't have thirst. I don't have sex. I'm not worried about death. I'm a machine. Ask me anything, but don't ask me how I feel.

• 39:38Deepak Chopra?

  Because that's an activity of the soul.

• 39:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, because I feel like that's also the version that we've seen made in movies and media. This idea that AI somehow gets to a point where it starts to. But those are all just.

• 39:51Deepak Chopra?

  Super intelligent, but no soul.

• 39:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Another challenge I wanted to speak to you about was that a lot of people are feeling that AI, and not feeling, people have seen this, AI has, the large language models have a racial and gender bias.

• 40:08Deepak Chopra?

  Hundred percent.

• 40:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:09Deepak Chopra?

  Especially when I looked at medical research, very interesting. All medical research is white males, not even white females. Forget about all the rest of the world. So there are now movements to rectify that. But yes, it has a gender bias, it has a racial bias, it has even a scientific bias. Because, you know, what we call selection bias in its answers. Because it's based on mainstream physicalist science, which is being questioned right now.

• 40:44Jay Shetty?

  How do we then use large language models better for ourselves if we're people of color, women? What can you do in order to?

• 40:53Deepak Chopra?

  There are movements now, I'm working with an Indian Caribbean person from the islands, from Jamaica, who's got a professorship at University of Central Florida. And he's creating a whole research and AI-based models that are inclusive rather than exclusive.

• 41:15Jay Shetty?

  I hope that we start to see some shift in change.

• 41:18Deepak Chopra?

  We are, we are.

• 41:19Jay Shetty?

  You feel positive?

• 41:20Deepak Chopra?

  I feel positive, notwithstanding the politics about DEI and this and that.

• 41:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 41:25Deepak Chopra?

  You know, don't get involved in that, just do what you need to do. And hope that at some point, that people will see that this isolationist, prejudiced world is not, is not a good survival strategy for anyone.

• 41:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, why have we not been convinced of that yet? I feel like we've seen.

• 41:46Deepak Chopra?

  Fear. Fear.

• 41:48Jay Shetty?

  Fear of?

• 41:49Deepak Chopra?

  Fear of being diluted in the diversity of the world. You know, people have very fixed identities. I'm white, I'm Saxon, I'm Catholic, or I'm Protestant. Don't threaten me. But, and that's true of any fundamentalist in any part of the world. I'm just giving you the bias here. But, you know, we see that bias everywhere. And that is a dangerous thing, because if you understand what is called emergence, the science of emergence, they say, there's no problem you cannot solve. If you have shared vision, maximum diversity, supporting each other's strengths,

• 42:33Deepak Chopra?

  and creating an emotional and spiritual bond, there's no problem. I learned that as a physician. If I had a difficult patient, let's say, difficult cancer patient, and all the cancer specialists say, we don't know what to do with it. There's something in the medical profession called grand rounds. You take the patient, present the patient to everybody, not just the cancer specialist, endocrinologist, psychiatrist, storytellers, humanitarians, even poets, and you come up with a solution. So when you have maximum diversity, shared vision, complementing everybody's strengths, and create an emotional bond, you solve every problem. And that's what digital technology can help us to.

• 43:18Jay Shetty?

  How?

• 43:20Deepak Chopra?

  You bring together a problem. You said, like the Gaza problem, or you bring together even poverty. How do we want to remove poverty? Poverty and peace are connected. We say peace and prosperity. So give me the technologies to create this here. Now, if you go to deepakshobha.ai, you can specifically say, I'm 45 years old, I'm ethnically an Indian, I lived in Britain for my lifetime, I am now doing this and this, I have a problem sleeping at night. And not only will my AI give you a personal solution,

• 44:03Deepak Chopra?

  you can say, "Give me a meditation to sleep tonight." It'll give you a meditation. "I'm having a problem with my relationship." It'll ask you, "What's the problem?" "I'm not being heard." It'll give you a solution for your problem. So my AI is very personal for you. It's not just giving you information.

• 44:24Jay Shetty?

  What did it take for you to make it personal? What did that require so that it's different to a ChatGPT, for example?

• 44:31Deepak Chopra?

  Lots of iterations, lots of it. And by the way, all the engineers are in India. So they also understand what I'm saying.

• 44:40Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 44:40Deepak Chopra?

  They're passionate about the project in Bangalore. And they're as brilliant as any engineer anywhere. But they also understand the philosophy.

• 44:50Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 44:50Deepak Chopra?

  So that's what made it. Now it's in Hindi, it's in English, it's in Arabic, because huge interest in the Arab world, which was amazing to me. And it's also in Spanish. But I think in two, three months, we are having it in China and Russia as well.

• 45:07Jay Shetty?

  Amazing. So let's say someone has that sleep issue. What kind of prompts would you suggest that they use to get the best?

• 45:14Deepak Chopra?

  They will just say, "Hey Deepak, I'm having a problem with sleep issues." Then it'll ask you, you know, "What time do you go to sleep?" Whatever, then you can say this. "What time do you eat?" "What time did you wake up?" And it'll give you some ideas. Then it'll say to you, "Do you want a meditation for sleep?" And it'll take you to yoga nidra, sleep yoga, whatever.

• 45:40Jay Shetty?

  And what about if someone has a relationship issue and they're coming saying, "I'm thinking about getting divorced from my husband."

• 45:45Deepak Chopra?

  It will talk you through it. It'll say, "Why? Is there a communication problem? Are you listening? Are you, are you present in the relationship? You know, are you asking yourself questions like, "What am I observing? What am I feeling? What do I need? How do I consciously communicate this need?" It'll give you guidelines. And then you say, "Can you give me a meditation for conscious communication with my, in my relationship?" And it'll create a meditation.

• 46:18Jay Shetty?

  Can we use AI to find love?

• 46:20Deepak Chopra?

  Yes.

• 46:21Jay Shetty?

  How? How will it help?

• 46:22Deepak Chopra?

  By teaching you how to be a loving person. You know, because that's how you fall in love.

• 46:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I always had this vision, and AI allows for it. Imagine if we all had a coach in our pocket.

• 46:33Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 46:34Jay Shetty?

  That you could talk to at all times.

• 46:36Deepak Chopra?

  It's a health coach, it's a mental coach, it's a spiritual coach.

• 46:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And what are the mistakes you're seeing people make in using AI for personal growth or spirituality? What pitfalls or common challenges exist or blocks that exist?

• 46:50Deepak Chopra?

  I think most people think that a solution is generic. It never is. You know, as a physician also, I had two patients, same disease, same diagnosis.

• 47:02Jay Shetty?

  Same age.

• 47:02Deepak Chopra?

  Same doctor, same age, same treatment. One person lives, one person dies. So you have to figure out what are called the hidden variables, which is your life. You know, everything from eating, breathing, digestion, metabolism, sensory experience, personal relationships, biologicalism, it's too much. But the AI can ask you the right questions and it can encourage you for the next prompt.

• 47:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I feel like when you talk about the need for this grassroots movement for all of us to turn because the leaders.

• 47:37Deepak Chopra?

  Well, this conversation expands that.

• 47:39Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. No, absolutely. I feel like the challenge is we're so used to using ChatGPT and AI and everything for such basic questions.

• 47:48Deepak Chopra?

  Which is good too.

• 47:49Jay Shetty?

  It's okay too.

• 47:50Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah, why not?

• 47:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. But I feel like how do you get to that point where we've realized that the power of what exists in our hands with such a tool and device?

• 48:00Deepak Chopra?

  You know, I was, I came to the United States in nineteen seventy. And I had gotten married earlier and my wife was pregnant and I was an intern, the junior most person. And the chief of medicine calls me and he says, you know, I have bad news for you. Your wife has a disease called thalassemia. That's a fatal disease. I said, it's not possible. She's perfectly healthy. She is pregnant and if she had this disease, she would be dead by now. So he said, come and look at the cells under the microscope. Now, remember, this is nineteen seventy. There's no Google, nothing.

• 48:46Deepak Chopra?

  So I look at the cells and they look thalassemia.

• 48:51Deepak Chopra?

  But my wife is healthy. I can't figure it out. So I go to, this is New Jersey, small hospital. I go to New York. I spent two days in the New York library, looking for thalassemia and thalassemia trait. So thalassemia is a disease, and some people have the trait, but they don't have the disease. Because you need two parents to have the same trait to get the disease. What do I discover? That thalassemia exists. Along the exact route that Alexander the Great took to India, from Macedonia all the way to India, there's a, people have thalassemia trait.

• 49:34Deepak Chopra?

  So some ancestor of my wife was probably raped by a soldier 2,500 years ago. And that evidence is in her blood. It took me three days to discover that, major discovery. You ask ChatGPT that question, or any large language model, it'll give you the answer in two seconds.

• 49:57Jay Shetty?

  Wow, so the speed of, what happened in that scenario?

• 50:00Deepak Chopra?

  Well, I was reassured that there's nothing wrong. But I also told my wife that some Greek was messing around with your great, great, great, great grandmother.

• 50:13Jay Shetty?

  How did she react to that?

• 50:14Deepak Chopra?

  Well, it's a historical fact. The footprints of history are in your genes. You know, there's not even a single break of life from the first organisms, from four billion years to now, there's not a single break in the chain of existence, which is a miracle of existence, right?

• 50:32Jay Shetty?

  That really is a miracle.

• 50:33Deepak Chopra?

  If there was one break in the chain, four billion years, you wouldn't be here. We wouldn't have this conversation.

• 50:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Deepak Chopra?

  You know, life is very...

• 50:42Jay Shetty?

  Remarkable to think about that. I wonder how quickly we got used to... You were saying like fire was almost one of the first technologies or tools we created. I wonder how quickly we got bored of fire, but I guess we didn't because it was so useful.

• 50:55Deepak Chopra?

  We see, this is so interesting about human beings, that they get so easily adjusted to the miracle of existence. Why do we exist? Why are we here? What got us here? And, you know, I asked ChatGPT, you know, what is currently the theory of creation? Big Bang? I said... Went back, what caused the Big Bang? For the first time, pause. No cause can be ascribed to the Big Bang. Then I said, what happened in the Planck epoch? The Planck epoch is 10 to the power of minus 33 seconds after the Big Bang, when there are no laws of physics. Said, what happened in the Planck epoch? Don't know.

• 51:40Deepak Chopra?

  This is ChatGPT. I said, why is the universe so precisely mathematically fine tuned for life, for consciousness, and for our being here? Don't know. I found 20 loopholes in the current cosmology of creation. 20 loopholes. Then I said, can you now reverse this? Can you begin with consciousness as non-local? As, you know, Brahman, field of infinite possibilities that differentiates into experience? It hesitated for a split second, but then it pulled out all the data from Rigveda from here, from there. I was blown away, so.

• 52:25Jay Shetty?

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• 54:22Deepak Chopra?

  I now post all this on videos on Instagram, but Instagram has very short, so I push a teaser and then I push them to YouTube. And those who have the patience, they look at it and it's getting attention.

• 54:36Jay Shetty?

  What about in terms of scientists and people like that, when you're having conversation with Sam Altman? And he's obviously fascinated, as you said about consciousness. Because he's curious and inquisitive.

• 54:46Deepak Chopra?

  There are some scientists, not mainstream scientists, but there's a scientist, you should have him on your show, he's brilliant. His name is Don Hoffman. He's here at the University of California, actually is in Los Angeles, close by University of California, Irvine. So he, for 25 years, total physicist, and by the way, his, the genius behind his work is an Indian guy called Chetan Prakash, who was professor of mathematics in Cambridge or Oxford or something, but now works with them. The two are amazing, Chetan Prakash.

• 55:25Deepak Chopra?

  So he struggled for 25 years to prove, because he's a brain scientist and he's a quantum physicist and mathematician, how the brain produces consciousness. 25 years later, one day he woke up. And he said, you know, thinking how the brain produces consciousness is like Aladdin's lamp. You rub the lamp and the genie wakes up, conjures up the whole universe. So he gave up and he wrote a book, The Case Against Reality, which is a mathematical and quantum mechanical explanation for Maya or projection. And he was vilified. I supported him. I have 25 conversations with him on YouTube.

• 56:10Deepak Chopra?

  Then a bunch of scientists started supporting him. And right now, he's a hot ticket in the world of science. Because if what he's saying and what Chetan Prakash is saying, it'll uproot the entire scientific paradigm and it'll make it better. Because if the universe is an immersive experience, then VR, XR, MR, immersive experiences, our technologies will extend our experience of virtual reality. We are already in a virtual reality. So right now, there are technologies, extended reality, immersive experience, where you can take a person with, say, burns,

• 56:52Deepak Chopra?

  and you can give them a VR session and the burns get healed. Inflammation goes away.

• 56:58Jay Shetty?

  This exists already?

• 57:00Deepak Chopra?

  Already. Autism, you take a child and you teach it emotional and social skills by giving the child an emotional experience with the child actually having normal features and emotionally engaged, and the neural networks start rewiring. So in about 10 years, you doctors may not give you a prescription for pharmaceuticals. They're already talking about digital chemicals, meta chemicals, and the future of VR experience to treat heart disease, inflammation, cancer, autoimmune disease, eating disorders, autism.

• 57:45Deepak Chopra?

  It's all happening right now. It is happening. And you can check it out on there.

• 57:49Jay Shetty?

  Wow, that's incredible. I mean, I had no idea. When I'm hearing about all of this, as always, it's like you're fascinated because you think about how much people's lives will improve.

• 57:59Deepak Chopra?

  Hundred percent.

• 57:59Jay Shetty?

  But I think every time there's improvement, we also inherit all these new problems, right?

• 58:05Deepak Chopra?

  Because people are coming from fear. If they came from love...

• 58:11Deepak Chopra?

  They would see the benefits of this. They're coming from fear.

• 58:16Jay Shetty?

  Is it fear or is it a sense of just almost not knowing what to focus on because our education doesn't really create a directional, like our education, when you were saying earlier, technology has moved so fast, but our understanding of the self has remained so

• 58:34Deepak Chopra?

  Correct.

• 58:34Jay Shetty?

  amateur.

• 58:35Deepak Chopra?

  Correct.

• 58:35Jay Shetty?

  And when you look at the education system, the education system hasn't caught up with technology either, because the education system is still kind of trudging along.

• 58:42Deepak Chopra?

  It is.

• 58:43Jay Shetty?

  So when the education system doesn't-

• 58:45Deepak Chopra?

  That education which used to be in the Indian ashrams in the old age, you know, where students would go and be under a spiritual guide or a teacher, it's missing.

• 58:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but what do we do? Because I feel like even the challenge that people have with ChatGPT or any platform is our education system doesn't teach us to ask good questions.

• 59:05Deepak Chopra?

  No.

• 59:06Jay Shetty?

  We're always told to give the answer.

• 59:07Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 59:08Jay Shetty?

  That's what we're fixated on.

• 59:09Deepak Chopra?

  That's it.

• 59:09Jay Shetty?

  Is result reward the answer.

• 59:11Deepak Chopra?

  And there are no answers, there are only questions.

• 59:14Jay Shetty?

  Right, but we're so bad at asking questions, yet AI requires us

• 59:18Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 59:18Jay Shetty?

  to be brilliant at asking questions.

• 59:20Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 59:21Jay Shetty?

  How do we get better at asking questions?

• 59:22Deepak Chopra?

  We have to teach people to ask questions, you know? And we have to teach them how to live the questions. But then life provides the answers, not a textbook. Life provides the answers. You know, as you were speaking, I was thinking, just I don't know why it came to me right now. Chapter thirteen of the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says, I am the field and I am the knower of the field.

• 59:47Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 59:47Deepak Chopra?

  The field is Kshitra.

• 59:48Jay Shetty?

  Kshitra.

• 59:49Deepak Chopra?

  Kshitra.

• 59:49Jay Shetty?

  Kshitra.

• 59:49Deepak Chopra?

  Kshitra.

• 59:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 59:51Deepak Chopra?

  And then the knower of the field, the field is awareness, and it modulates itself as mind, intellect, ego, the five senses, the five motor organs, the five tanmatras, and the vital energy and the universe. I was thinking, that one chapter has the key to reality. Okay, and how do we, now these biosensors, which I'm wearing,

• 1:00:18Deepak Chopra?

  They are actually extending my knowledge of self-awareness. But my body already knows, you know, if I'm, if I'm doing something that I shouldn't be doing, I feel pain over here. If I eat the wrong food, I get indigestion. If I don't sleep at night, I'm messed up the next day. So my body is already the field of awareness and it's a biosensor. It's a biomotor and it's a biocomputer. The biocomputer is consciousness. The biomotor is the five motor organs. The biosensor, the five sensors. Now with this technology, I can extend it. I'm also wearing a BCG here with blood sugar monitoring.

• 1:01:03Deepak Chopra?

  Not that I have diabetes, but I can relate my metabolism to all this now. And intervene right there through a video game or through a visual or through an auditory experience or through some visual experience. I can do that. So actually in the future, I'm really serious about this. And I met the R and D chiefs of the biggest pharmaceutical companies. Say, you guys, if you don't get into digital circles, meta circles, immune sub experiences, you'll be left behind. And some of these biggest pharmaceutical companies, now they have thousands of scientists looking at these new technologies.

• 1:01:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I mean, how old are you again, you said?

• 1:01:48Deepak Chopra?

  Seventy-eight plus.

• 1:01:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's amazing. It's incredible. You're vibrant and energetic as ever.

• 1:01:54Deepak Chopra?

  I love what I do.

• 1:01:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's amazing. It comes across naturally. And you were saying that longevity, obviously, as we've seen in the world, has become such a big talking point.

• 1:02:02Deepak Chopra?

  But they're not addressing the real longevity solutions.

• 1:02:06Jay Shetty?

  What is the real longevity solution?

• 1:02:08Deepak Chopra?

  Consciousness as the regulator of your biology. Time is the consumer and we are its food. How do we slow down the metabolism of time? How do you use every sensory experience to heal ourselves? Whether it's sound and now, oh, you can go on. On

• 1:02:27Jay Shetty?

  TIPAC

• 1:02:28Deepak Chopra?

  But you can go and chat GPT too and say, how do mantras work? It'll give you, it'll give you the right answer. Okay, do mantras change genetic activity? Yes, they do. So this is a revolution right now. Because in the past, you'd say, oh, this is hocus pocus. Here's the evidence, what is happening in genetic. And very few people are identifying that. But this technology will find those people. There's a scientist from India called Anirban Bandhupadhyay, who's from Bihar. He went to IIT in some little place. There are many IITs in India now. So in a place called Mandi in Himachal Pradesh.

• 1:03:12Deepak Chopra?

  He's now the chief scientific officer for a very big outfit in Japan. And he's totally on board on consciousness and how, you know, the brain is like a computer interface. So the consciousness uses the brain to give you access to experience. Just like I can go on my desktop computer and I don't need to know how it works. I press amazon.com, it gives me a way to shop. So the brain is like that computer interface. And these neural correlates, a little symbolic, you might say, symbols that you can use to plug in

• 1:03:55Deepak Chopra?

  to the bigger reality. So, and so I'm going to India just to meet this guy because he's brilliant and he's in Japan. But he's questioning Nobel laureates at the moment. And he's brilliant, absolutely. And you see, you have to have a cultural background to explore all this. Because, you know, when you speak to scientists who totally brought up in the materialistic paradigm, reductionists, they roll their eyes. They say, what are you talking about? This is nonsense.

• 1:04:27Jay Shetty?

  But what do you think it's going to take for? Those individuals to actually open up their minds and.

• 1:04:32Deepak Chopra?

  The science, the science.

• 1:04:34Jay Shetty?

  Do you think though that we can even measure some of this with science? Like, is it even possible to see it?

• 1:04:39Deepak Chopra?

  You can't measure the experience, but you can measure the symbolic correlate of the experience as what is called the neural correlate of experience. You can see the what they call pattern recognition. Okay, so the brain has a pattern recognition to an experience. It's like your desktop with twenty or thirty or, in this case, infinite symbols that you can plug into to get the experience.

• 1:05:08Jay Shetty?

  Right, right.

• 1:05:09Deepak Chopra?

  Fascinating.

• 1:05:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it is fascinating, it is fascinating. The more, but because we have a common language, I can understand the ease with which, you know. But when I think about people who don't have that, it becomes so hard to wrap your head around even the possibility.

• 1:05:25Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah, and ultimately it's still a mystery, you know. We know how to use, you know, just like we know how to use computers without knowing what's happening in the belly of the computer, that you leave to the engineers. But we can still use a computer.

• 1:05:40Jay Shetty?

  That's what we need to do.

• 1:05:41Deepak Chopra?

  You can fly a plane as a pilot without knowing how the airplane works. So that's all we need to use the technology. Because ultimately, what we call consciousness is such an infinite mystery that in the end you have to surrender to it. You know, the fifth niyama, which is surrender to the divine, Ishvar Pranidhana. Surrender, because you won't be able to solve it. You know, what's his name, Freeman Dyson, one of the greatest physicists of all times. Princeton, before that Cambridge. He said, "God is what the mind becomes when you can't figure it out.

• 1:06:23Deepak Chopra?

  When it processes, it goes beyond the threshold of your comprehension."

• 1:06:30Deepak Chopra?

  You have to surrender to the mystery.

• 1:06:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What's, what is the, if someone's really interested in self-realization, they're really fascinated by the conversation you're having.

• 1:06:40Deepak Chopra?

  My next book.

• 1:06:41Jay Shetty?

  What?

• 1:06:41Deepak Chopra?

  It's called Awakening.

• 1:06:43Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow. Okay, perfect.

• 1:06:44Deepak Chopra?

  The Path to Freedom and Enlightenment. I'll come to you.

• 1:06:47Jay Shetty?

  Oh, please, I love that. Now, I was gonna ask you, what's the first question they should ask AI?

• 1:06:52Deepak Chopra?

  Who am I?

• 1:06:53Jay Shetty?

  Who am I?

• 1:06:54Deepak Chopra?

  Then they should go, you know, all the way, like Ramana Maharshi did. You know, am I the body or am I the awareness in which the body is a changing experience? Am I the mind? All the way. This was, these days, it's been called the direct method. But it was popularized by an Indian teacher called Atmanand Krishnamanand. But it's ancient. It's there in the Vedic literature. And right now, it's been called the direct method. And yoga and all the other methods are called the progressive method. Direct means you question, what is this? Well, the human construct is, this is a glass of water. Okay, what else is it? It's an object.

• 1:07:39Deepak Chopra?

  But before you can call it an object, it's an experience. Where is the experience happening? Not in the brain. There's no photo of this in your brain. Okay, so where is it happening? Consciousness. Where is consciousness? Don't know. Why don't you know? Because it doesn't have a form. So this is an experience happening in the infinite. The infinite is present in every finite experience. God is not difficult to find. God is impossible to avoid. It's in everything that you see, you need consciousness. And that consciousness is infinite, so every finite experience is based on the presence of the infinite.

• 1:08:23Deepak Chopra?

  This is the direct method. It's a reflection. It's called Atma Vichar. And it leads to what is called Atma Darshan. But that's very deep for most people.

• 1:08:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:36Deepak Chopra?

  It's too much.

• 1:08:38Jay Shetty?

  Deepak, what have I not asked you today that I should have asked you?

• 1:08:40Deepak Chopra?

  No, I think you asked me a lot.

• 1:08:42Jay Shetty?

  I was gonna ask, I was gonna ask ChatGPT right now. I'm gonna say, what questions?

• 1:08:46Deepak Chopra?

  Should I ask?

• 1:08:47Jay Shetty?

  Should I ask Deepak about AI and spirituality? I'm doing this live and in real time.

• 1:08:53Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Jay Shetty?

  Not part of our original prep. It says, "If you're having a conversation with Deepak Chopra about AI and spirituality, you might want to explore how he views the intersection of technology and consciousness", which we did. And it says, "How do you see AI influencing human consciousness and spirituality in the coming years?" We talked about that, I believe. "In your view, can artificial intelligence ever truly achieve consciousness or a sense of self-awareness?" You said, "No."

• 1:09:18Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:19Jay Shetty?

  So we talked about that. "Do you think AI could be used to enhance spiritual practices such as meditation, self-awareness?" You said, "Yes." We talked about that. "How do you reconcile the rapid development of AI with spiritual concepts of mindfulness, presence, human..." Yeah, we've, we've, we've... Yeah, it feels good. We, we did a good job. I'm trying to see if there's anything that we missed here that we didn't ask you.

• 1:09:43Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 1:09:44Deepak Chopra?

  Amazing.

• 1:09:45Jay Shetty?

  It's pretty spot on, yeah. It's pretty amazing.

• 1:09:47Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Jay Shetty?

  It's pretty phenomenal. But Deepak, I'm always in awe

• 1:09:51Deepak Chopra?

  No.

• 1:09:51Jay Shetty?

  of how you've found a way to take the teachings of the East so far and so deep, and now to take it all the way through to AI and...

• 1:10:00Deepak Chopra?

  This is India's contribution to the world.

• 1:10:02Jay Shetty?

  It really is.

• 1:10:03Deepak Chopra?

  We never conquered through violence, but our culture is taking over the world, whether it's Bollywood, or it's cuisine, or it's fashion, or it's philosophy, or it's spirituality. This is the way to influence the world. As you know, there's a Sanskrit expression, "Bhasudev kutumbukam", "The world is our family."

• 1:10:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely. The book is called Digital Dharma. Of course, head over to deepakchopra.ai. We'll be putting a code for anyone who wants to use it as well. Deepak, as always, you've blown my mind.

• 1:10:36Deepak Chopra?

  No, thank you.

• 1:10:37Jay Shetty?

  You've expanded my consciousness. You make me proud of the culture I was fortunate enough to study and deeply look at in my time. And thank you so much for doing all the incredible work you are. Please keep going.

• 1:10:48Deepak Chopra?

  Thank you for being a pioneer and leading the way for your generation.

• 1:10:52Jay Shetty?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:10:53Deepak Chopra?

  Thank you.

• 1:10:53Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. If this year you're trying to live longer, live happier, live healthier, go and check out my conversation with the world's biggest longevity doctor, Peter Attia, on how to slow down aging and why your emotional health is directly impacting your physical health.

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