Why I Cried Myself to Sleep Running a Billion-Dollar Brand

Kendra Scott reveals the shocking truth about 2020: while the world saw a billion-dollar brand thriving, she was sobbing herself to sleep every night, feeling like a complete fraud. From dropping out of college to build a hat company that failed, to becoming a single mom starting over with $500 worth of jewelry supplies, Kendra's path to building one of America's most beloved jewelry brands was anything but glamorous. She opens up about the moment she closed her first business in the pouring rain, saw a sign that said "Yes, We're Open," and realized failure was simply the bridge to her next breakthrough. Whether you're struggling to start, scared to pivot, or exhausted from trying to be perfect for everyone else, this conversation will show you how vulnerability becomes your greatest competitive advantage and why your mess is actually your message. Buy a copy of Kendra’s book: Born to Shine: Do Good, Find Your Joy, and Build a Life You LoveIn this episode you will:Break through the dangerous myth of balance and perfection that keeps you playing small and burning outUncover the power of making genuine connections before transactions, and why cupcakes and champagne might be your secret weaponDiscover why treating failure as a gift instead of a death sentence unlocks exponential growth in business and lifeTransform your relationship with vulnerability and learn how being authentic attracts the right people, opportunities, and successMaster the art of pivoting when life shakes your snow globe, turning recessions and setbacks into rocket fuel for your next levelFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1883For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Lewis Howes [SOLO]Michelle ObamaSage Robbins Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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• 0:04Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:28Lewis Howes?

  But how did you overcome all these obstacles in the last few years? And how long did that stress or pain last for?

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Well, you know, you look at 2020, and obviously, the whole world was suffering. And you turn on the TV, you couldn't escape it. And you're stuck in your house, just dealing with all this. But in the midst of all that, my father, who is my rock in my book, you'll just see, he and I have this unbelievable bond, had suffered two major heart attacks. I had to go pick him up in Wisconsin on New Year's Eve of 2019, going into 2020. So, New Year's Eve, welcoming in this new year, I was on a plane flying from Colorado to Kenosha, Wisconsin, because he wasn't getting the medical care he needed, and brought him to Austin, where I lived.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Ambulances, on the airport, waiting to take him to the hospital, and where he spent until March, almost March 12th, from December 31st. So, ringing in that year was already starting out stressful, going through a divorce. I had some of my own personal health issues happen. I ended up being in the same hospital that my dad was in during that time period. It was one of those years where, but on the outside, everyone thought Kendra Scott was fine. The Instagrams are great, she's smiling, things are good. And I just felt so, you know, like, this isn't real. And I'm suffering.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  And why am I so afraid to say I'm suffering? So, I started writing a journal and just keeping track of what was going on personally, emotionally, and wanting to share that the struggle is what makes us stronger. And now, coming out on the other side of that really scary year for my business, for my family, myself personally. Is actually, I had to go through that to get to this next most beautiful place I'm at in my life. But when we're in the middle of it, sometimes it can feel hopeless and that you're alone and that you're the only one that is feeling like this. And so sharing it, and I think there's so much power in being vulnerable. And I realized that my journal notes, I needed to make into a book.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Simply because I wanted anyone out there who might be struggling in their own place in life to know this is part of their journey and to own it and to know this is their unique, amazing life. And they're going through this for a reason and something great is gonna wait for them. It's waiting around the corner. Take a breath, this is only a moment in time and two shall pass.

• 3:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course. You know, and I think people see you and they see everything you've accomplished in the last 20 years of your brand. 20 years with your brand?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Not an overnight success. I always love to be like, "Oh, this is an overnight success." I'm like, "Well, 20 years."

• 3:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course. But when they see the success in 20 years, they see you on Shark Tank, they see you with the book, they see you as this inspiring leader in the business world as well.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:31Lewis Howes?

  What is the thing that most people don't see? What is the biggest insecurity, shame, or fear that you never share that people, if they knew you were working on overcoming, would see you differently?

• 3:43Speaker 01

  You know, I think one of the things that's so important is that we're not, no one is superwoman. And yet, we try so hard in our life to make people think that we're Superman or Superwoman, that we are these just, "We've got it all together," you know? And I think it's, you know, as a mom, I'm always struggling. The people will be like, "Oh, how do you balance it all, Kendra?" That is a myth. No, if anyone tells you they've got it figured out, they are lying, okay? That is a total myth. We, I work every day to be like, "Okay, how do I make sure that I'm there for my kids when they need me?" Or if I forgot, is it a bake sale? Oh, my gosh, you know, I'm racing to the store, picking up cookies and trying to package them in a Tupperware. So I don't feel like my kid doesn't think I actually baked the cookie, you know?

• 4:25Speaker 01

  We do things, right? Because we are doing the best that we can every day. And I think for us to say to one another and have these open conversations of... I've got this, thank you for helping me or reaching out and asking for help. I now have a group of moms at school where we are all working together. It's like, I can't do this today, can you help? Yeah, I can do that. And instead of being critical of one another, oh, she didn't bake her own cookies. It's like, we support one another.

• 4:51Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  And that is what I think is, I think, you know, for me is I've stopped trying to be perfect. Because no one's perfect. And I've started to laugh at myself more and be vulnerable and to just be like, you know, I don't have it all together today and be okay with that.

• 5:08Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  You know, and I think that has taken time. Because in the early days of my business, I felt like I was always being judged as this girl from Texas who, you know, in Austin where it was very tech savvy, you know, environment. I'm starting a fashion brand where, you know, I was laughed out of boardrooms asking for, you know, investment funding and...

• 5:29Lewis Howes?

  Unless it's cowboy boots and hats and it's like, what are you doing?

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Well, not even, no, I mean, it also, it was, it was just a different world. And they wanted me to be a tech company and I'm not a tech company. I was a jewelry designer.

• 5:40Lewis Howes?

  Designer, yeah.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  And, you know, I think then I felt like, well, I can't let anybody think that I'm not super smart and I don't have this. And I had to, I was afraid if somebody would ask me where I graduated from college because I was a dropout. I was afraid for people to learn where my education from because it came from my first failed business. So that's not always a conversation starter you want to start with. And so I was trying to build up my own, like, I want them to think I'm this person. Because if they know who I really am, then I'm really out of luck.

• 6:11Lewis Howes?

  Who were you really?

• 6:11Speaker 01

  I was scared. I was scared that they would see that I wasn't all the things I thought I should be to be in that room and get their attention or get the check for my business. And that insecurity of trying to be someone I wasn't was the worst thing I could have done.

• 6:28Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Being my authentic self. Being vulnerable and saying, I'm a single mom. I didn't finish college, but I'm a hard worker. And I'm the first one there in the morning and I am not going. I mean, if you give me money for my company, I'm going to make sure you get a return. I will not let you down. But I was too scared to say that.

• 6:48Lewis Howes?

  How long did it take you until you said you're to start stepping into being 100% authentic? As opposed to controlling an identity or an image that you want others to see?

• 6:57Speaker 01

  You know, I think it took a while. I'd love to say that it didn't. But I think it took, it didn't around the people around me, right? I had a very small team of amazing women that I like to call the super seven. And we were very vulnerable with each other. We were, a lot of us were new moms. We had young children, we'd bring them to the office. We had pack and plays at our office. We'd be passing around babies in between calls with buyers. And we were this village of support where we could just be ourselves. We could come in and talk about our day being difficult or, you know. And it was amazing. But I think, you know, on the outside, I felt like I had to be. Cause I remember going to market in New York City, for example.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  And setting up my little trade show booth and, you know, and these buyers coming in and be like, oh, where are you from? And I'm like, Austin, Texas. This is now, you have to remember probably 18 years ago when we were, you know, doing our first markets.

• 7:52Lewis Howes?

  This is the hub of design and fashion.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  No, it's not what now people know of Austin. And they're like, oh, well, you can't make it as a designer if you're not on the coasts. You need to be in New York or LA.

• 8:02Lewis Howes?

  Or San Francisco.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  In San Francisco. But in my heart of hearts, I knew that Austin was the special place. It was part of the DNA of our brand. So even though I had insecurities about some things, I had total dedication to others. Like we are an Austin, Texas brand. We have our own voice. And when you walked through market, all these buyers would be attracted to our booth because we didn't look like everybody else. We weren't trying to do what everybody else was doing. We had our own unique personality. And that own unique personality was part of me. And so as I started to see people loving us for who we were, I started to have more confidence to, to just say like.

• 8:40Lewis Howes?

  Be yourself.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, just be myself.

• 8:41Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. When would you say that was though? 10 years in, 5 years in, 20 years in?

• 8:46Speaker 01

  You know, I think it was an evolution. You know, I don't think one day you wake up and you're like, "Today, I'm just gonna be me," you know? It was, it was you'd get a win. You'd get a little win and you go, "Okay, that gave me confidence," or someone else believed in me. You know, I remember my first office. What a big deal it was, like renting an office space and not working out of the extra bedroom of my house anymore.

• 9:09Lewis Howes?

  It's a big deal.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  And my landlord was this great guy. He had a sub-company, still has a Subway, like not Subway, but it's a sub-company. And he was from Wisconsin where I'm from. And I would sometimes give him my rent check. His name's Mike. And I'd say, "Mike, you know, could you just hold it for a few days, right? I've got some other, you know, payments coming in from different, you know, companies." And he'd be like, "Absolutely, Kendra. You just let me know when I should take it to the bank." His confidence in me gave me confidence. And it's those little interactions that people don't realize how powerful they are. Because of his faith and belief in me, it gave me belief in myself. And I wanted to show him that I was good on my word. Because my word is everything.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  When I tell somebody I'm gonna do something, I do it, right? And I think over time, those interactions, Byers, Nordstrom, ordering from you, right? It was like...

• 10:04Lewis Howes?

  More and more confidence.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Confidence. And I started to not be afraid. And I remember the first time I had to say, I actually went to an entrepreneurial master's course through Entrepreneurs EO, which is a fantastic organization. Any young entrepreneur out there, I say, "Join an organization like EO." Because you start to meet other people who have their same insecurities and worries that you have. And you're in this safe environment where you can talk about those things and you realize, "I'm not alone in this anymore." And once you're opening up to someone else, they open up to you. And that's why I say there is such power in vulnerability. Where you think it's the opposite,

• 10:48Speaker 01

  but when you can actually say to somebody, "This is something that always bothers me," then they feel like they can share that about themselves. And all of a sudden, you're having a real conversation. You're not having a conversation anymore of, "I did this, and I'm this, and I'm all, my business is having..." you know? And then they're just puffing back up and it's this whole, and there's nothing real happening. Oh God, the first time I walked in this room with you all, I was so intimidated. I felt like I didn't belong here. You know, I've got Harvard grads in the room and I'm a college dropout. And then all of a sudden, there, this welcoming force, right? Of, are you kidding me Kendra? When you walked in the room and you had, you know, and it was this, it changes perspective.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  And I think if we could all embrace that, it's a dynamic, amazing thing to be part of.

• 11:34Lewis Howes?

  If you could go back 20 years ago when you started and been the 100% authentic you, public facing, where do you think you'd be today? Or do you think it worked out perfectly, the lessons you needed to learn from that journey?

• 11:47Speaker 01

  I think everyone, our story is our story for a reason. And I had to go through those aches and pains and knots in my stomach and feeling uncomfortable to become comfortable within myself. It wasn't like I could just wake up one day and have that. It's the failures that build the next success in your life. And I always say, these things we go through, the heartache, divorce, breakups, relationships, business failures, they're the bridge to get us to the next place we're going in our life. No one can experience that for you but you. And even as a parent, you want to take those heartaches away and those steps or falls away from your kids, but they've got to scratch their knees.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  They've got to touch a hot surface to know not to do it again. You can only protect them from so much, but we need those lessons to build the person we're becoming and we're always evolving. I'm not there yet.

• 12:44Lewis Howes?

  You're not finished yet?

• 12:45Speaker 01

  No, I've got so much more I want to do and I know so much I'm learning about myself still, every day, which is a really cool place to be.

• 12:56Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. What would you say was the biggest pain personally and professionally you've gone through in the last 20 years?

• 13:04Speaker 01

  We only have an hour?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  No, you know, look.

• 13:08Lewis Howes?

  The biggest challenge or pain or what seemed like, oh, this is a big letdown or breakdown or failure potentially in your personal life and in your, your business. But also, what's the lesson you learned from each one of those experiences?

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, my first business was a hat company. I started it because my stepfather had brain cancer and I was meeting a lot of men and women undergoing chemotherapy who had lost their hair. I had loved fashion since I was a little girl and, and I, so I started sewing in cotton linings into hats and created a hat business at age 19, dropped out of college. And I think seeing this person that I love struggling, wanting to save his life, really, and at 19, you're kind of an idealist. This was my way, I could do something, right? I, I felt so helpless in that moment. And after five years of trying to run this little hat company and it not working, wanting

• 14:04Speaker 01

  hats to be the next big thing again, like it was 1940, I had these big grand plans for this business and it just failing day in and day out. And after five years, knowing I had to close it and now I'd already just lost my stepfather to cancer. So the person I had done this for, I had lost, the business I had started is failing. The thing he was so proud of me to do, I'm now a dropout. So all of my friends who have graduated from college now are getting jobs. So I have no degree.

• 14:35Lewis Howes?

  You're 24 or something.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, no degree. I have a failed business. I lost my stepfather and I remember just thinking, wow, like I'm a complete loser. I'm a loser. I really did. And now what am I gonna do? Well, I've gotta go get a job. I'm gonna get an entry level job somewhere because I don't have a college degree. And I was able to get a job at a travel company that did a travel magazine in their marketing department. And I still had customers calling me from the hat store. And they weren't calling for hats. I was making jewelry in that little store. And I'd put it on the counter and the day that it would go out, it would sell.

• 15:14Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  But I was so focused on the hats working.

• 15:16Lewis Howes?

  The mission of the hat, yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that I couldn't see what was working.

• 15:20Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  And so.

• 15:21Lewis Howes?

  So this was, this was like a little side project?

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was just like, and I enjoyed making jewelry and I loved making jewelry and I loved some of my precious stones. And I wanted to make jewelry that people could afford, that was beautiful quality. And so, but it was just a side thing. I made hat pins too and other things just by hand. But customers would call and say, Kendra, I want a pair of earrings to match the necklace I bought in your store. Or my sister loves that necklace I bought. I want to get her one for her birthday. Could you make one?

• 15:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  So I'm going home from my day job now that I had to get after my business failed. And I'm making jewelry for my old customers. And so it, it really was this like, all of those things happened. But when you're in that moment, when you're closing the store for the last time and you're sitting on the step and it literally starts to rain and you look at your life and you think.

• 16:08Lewis Howes?

  Like this is a movie.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a movie. No, it starts to rain. It was like a joke. Like I started laughing at the sky like, wow. And I, I had one of those signs, Louis, that on the door it says, sorry, we're closed. And on the other side it says, yes, we're open. I mean, obviously our marketing budget wasn't big. So I bought it at like Home Depot or Lowe's or something. And I, I remember trying, you know, thinking about closing it. And when I was sitting on the step crying and it rained and I had moved everything out. I looked and I saw the sign still said, yes, we're open. And I was pissed because I was like, I have to go back in now and turn, go through this whole emotional deal. And, but then I looked at it and I was like, this is a sign. This is an actual sign. And it was, yes, we're open. And I, I talk about it a lot because I, it was being open.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  To the next thing that's gonna happen.

• 16:57Lewis Howes?

  Next possibility.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  The next possibility. And sometimes it is actual signs that you have to kind of pay attention to.

• 17:03Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  But you have to be open to it. And so even me taking this job, because I had to, I was open to my customers calling me going, maybe there's something to this jewelry. Maybe there's something there that I wasn't seeing. And that led into Kendra Scott Jewelry.

• 17:20Lewis Howes?

  When did you say, from that moment of closing that business, doing this side thing of the jewelry, when did you say, okay, I'm going all in on jewelry? And leaving this job and actually going all in on this?

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I was traveling. It was a travel magazine and travel company. So I was traveling to all these remote places, doing marketing, selling ad space, negotiating contracts, like all these things. And I met, I met my future, you know, husband during this time. And I would be gone sometimes four to six weeks at a time. So we got married and, you know, it was not a job that you really can have as a married person.

• 18:00Lewis Howes?

  Right, because you're traveling.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  No. And so I was like, okay, I, this isn't gonna be good for our marriage, for me to do this. So then I started doing PR and marketing for small businesses on the side while still making jewelry. And I just, that entrepreneurial spirit in me was huge.

• 18:18Lewis Howes?

  So you're working the job or you left the job to do PR?

• 18:19Speaker 01

  I left the job and I started doing PR myself. It was called Glitter.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was J-Lo was big back then, you know, she still is. But it was sequins glitter. It was all about the bling back in the, back in the day. Early two, you know, nineteen, two, two thousands, I guess. And so I did glitter, PR and advertising, and I was still doing my jewelry just for customers. And we got pregnant and I remember, you know, thinking, okay, what am I gonna do next? And I made a little collection of jewelry while I was on, you know, basically pregnant with Cade. I went to jewelry making classes at a local bead shop to learn how to do even, you know, make things a little bit more intricate or different. And when he was three months old, I decided, you know, let's see if we can sell this.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  So I didn't have any proper case.

• 19:12Lewis Howes?

  This collection.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  This little collection. And we had a wooden tea box, like that you take out each little section of tea. And I put each color mixed collection in each of the little boxes in the tea box. And I put Cade in a Baby Bjorn. And we started to go to local boutiques in Austin, Texas. And I showed my collection. And didn't want to really tell anyone I was starting a business.

• 19:34Lewis Howes?

  Right, because you didn't want to fail.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  No, and they already know. They already know that I'm a failure, okay?

• 19:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I'm not announcing this to the world so that I fail again.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  No. So yeah, I took Cade and thought if I can create a business that allows me to be a present mom for this little unbelievable human.

• 19:51Lewis Howes?

  And make some money on the weekends.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and bring money and help our family. And you know, that would be success.

• 19:57Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  I didn't write the plan like I did for the Hat Box of opening stores all over the country and this being a huge thing. I started with it, let's just.

• 20:06Lewis Howes?

  Small.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  Small.

• 20:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  And I'd sell into a store and I'd make my little orders.

• 20:12Lewis Howes?

  Were you doing confinement?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  And they would sell out.

• 20:14Lewis Howes?

  Were you doing like?

• 20:15Speaker 01

  No, so I would write orders, you know, down. And I'd show my collection. This is a, the first day is kind of an amazing day because I went to five boutiques, four out of the five ended up placing orders.

• 20:25Lewis Howes?

  In Austin?

• 20:25Speaker 01

  In Austin, that day.

• 20:26Lewis Howes?

  So they're buying orders like wholesale and then they're selling for double the price.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly, exactly. So I would go in and they'd write orders based on my sample set. Well, the last store I went into, they were doing a fashion show, like in two days. And she's like, can I buy your samples for the show?

• 20:43Lewis Howes?

  And you'd already sold them, didn't you?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Well, no, I had the samples. I had written orders.

• 20:48Lewis Howes?

  For the same ones?

• 20:49Speaker 01

  I was gonna go produce those samples.

• 20:50Lewis Howes?

  More of those, yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  More of those, yes. And so I was kind of like, this is great because I didn't know how I was gonna get more money to buy.

• 20:56Lewis Howes?

  Materials.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  The materials I needed. So I sold my sample set for $1,200. It took me $500 and, you know.

• 21:03Lewis Howes?

  To make.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  To make. And I remember coming home with that check and like show even Kate my three month old. I'm like, baby, we have a business like this is real. And I know it seems so silly, but that $1,200 led to the next ability to. So I was just kind of putting money in and I mean, this is as bootstrapped. My mom brought over a card table. I had a bead board in our little spare room. It was maybe a 10 by 11 bedroom. And was fulfilling my orders. I had them up on a board and I remember just thinking like I had four orders at one time. I'm like, this is like, things are happening. And it just started to grow. I mean, they would sell out. I would go to the stores. I'd help them merchandise. If something wasn't selling, I'd go back in and replace it for them.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Nobody had done that when I had my hat store. So I thought, I want to be a designer that is supportive of these retailers. I'll go in and do trunk shows. I'll meet their customers. I mean, I was like, I am going to do everything I wished would have been done for me when I owned my hat store. And it worked and our stores were selling like crazy and the customers were happy. And it just grew from there. One store grew into 10 stores, 10 stores grew into 100 stores, 100 stores grew into 1,000.

• 22:16Lewis Howes?

  This is where you had placement, not your own stores, right?

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Right, yes.

• 22:18Lewis Howes?

  You had placement distribution.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  And that's how I did it for 10 years of my business.

• 22:23Lewis Howes?

  And then you decided what?

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Well, eight years, eight years.

• 22:25Lewis Howes?

  Eight years and then you said, I want to have my own store.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  No, I didn't say that at all. This wonderful thing happened called the recession. I don't know if you've heard about it. Yeah, 2008.

• 22:34Lewis Howes?

  So this was from 2000 to 2008.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  2002 to 2008, yeah.

• 22:38Lewis Howes?

  So six years more full time, but two years kind of on the side, it sounds like, right?

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Well, so 2008, the world

• 22:44Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  changed and all of my eggs were in one basket. The power of my future was with the buyers at the department stores, with the store owners. I had no direct connection to my consumer, my customer.

• 22:59Lewis Howes?

  You didn't have an audience.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  I didn't have an audience.

• 23:00Lewis Howes?

  You had an audience through retailers.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Exactly. And so when the recession hit, all that power was going away because buyers I had built relationships with were getting laid off.

• 23:10Lewis Howes?

  So they weren't buying anymore?

• 23:11Speaker 01

  They, no. They, a lot of them were going direct and creating their own private label. Store owners that I loved were shuttering. Every day I'd find out another store was closing.

• 23:22Lewis Howes?

  How many stores were you in at that time before 2008, 1,000?

• 23:25Speaker 01

  We were probably in about 600 stores across the country. Yeah.

• 23:29Lewis Howes?

  And then after 2009, 10, how many stores were you in?

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Four hundred?

• 23:35Lewis Howes?

  No, oh, four hundred, I was gonna say four.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  No, four hundred, yeah. But it's a two hundred stores is a lot, right? So I'm going through this and I'm thinking, I mean, I remember shipping one huge order to a company that had been in business a hundred years, Louis, filed for bankruptcy. Two days after I shipped an order, yes.

• 23:54Lewis Howes?

  So what happens?

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Never got, never got all that money again, no, no.

• 23:58Lewis Howes?

  You didn't get the product back?

• 23:59Speaker 01

  No.

• 23:59Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  No, that's what I'm saying, so it was a scary time. And here I have a line of credit, I have no investment capital, nobody would invest in me. I've gone and pitched my idea.

• 24:11Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Doors closed a million times.

• 24:14Lewis Howes?

  Had you already raised money or you just given credit?

• 24:16Speaker 01

  No, I just had a line of credit, I had signed everything I owned up for collateral. I used credit card debt. It was all on debt, my entire business to this.

• 24:25Lewis Howes?

  You never raised any money, right?

• 24:26Speaker 01

  I could, nobody would invest, I wanted to.

• 24:29Lewis Howes?

  Early on, no one was?

• 24:30Speaker 01

  No, Louis, I remember going to this one thing.

• 24:32Lewis Howes?

  If you had a hundred stores, five hundred stores?

• 24:33Speaker 01

  No, I promise you, and I'm a good salesperson, can't you see that? No, I would walk in and they'd be like, yeah, no, retail.

• 24:41Lewis Howes?

  You don't have a college degree, I don't trust you.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Right, exactly, no, but I'd go in and sometimes I'd be, I remember going to this one networking group and they were like, well, Kendra, you just need to get an angel. I was like, I need an angel. Yeah, where do these angels hang out? I'd love to meet an angel, angel investor. It wasn't even the access that you had today, if you think about social media, it wasn't there, it wasn't, there weren't groups that you could see, you know.

• 25:06Lewis Howes?

  It wasn't a trending thing either, it was like hard to get in, old boys' club type of thing, yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I mean, all of this was happening and I realized I had to change my business model, otherwise we were gonna fail. I was gonna have another failure under my belt. And so I remember walking into my office and saying to my team, If you guys are with me, it's kind of like the Alamo where you draw the line in the sand. You know, I'm a Texan, so we all know that story well. But it's like if you cross the line, if you're with me, if you're not, I totally understand. And it was like, I, we're going to change our business model. We're going to still have our wholesale customers, we love them. But we are going to focus on direct to consumer. We are going to build a website that is actually not just information, but e-commerce.

• 25:47Lewis Howes?

  Not just publicity, but it's actually how to buy.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  It's actually an e-commerce website. We're going to create, which we had Color Bar, which was this customization tool where you could pick the stones you wanted and put it in any setting. We're going to create that tool online and we are going to open a retail store. When stores all over Austin were shuttering, I sign a lease for a store with an office above it. So you'd walk through our retail store to get to our offices. I was like, this is going to be our laboratory. This is how we're going to learn about our customer. We're all going to work in that store. We're going to ask her what she loves, what she hates, what she wants more of. She's the boss. We have got to know what she needs and wants so that we can build the best company we can build.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Not knowing that what we were actually doing was going to have this huge retail company. Because I said, if we're going to do it, I hate jewelry stores. I hate the way they are. I hate everything's under glass. I hate how judgy everyone is when you walk in. I'm a tip snobby. I said, I want to take all that away. We're going to have jewelry freely displayed on the tables where our customers can touch and feel them and try them on. We're going to create a real color bar where they can sit at the bar and drink champagne and eat a cupcake and watch their jewelry be made in front of them. We're going to be totally disruptive in a space that I did not personally like as a consumer. And I remember people saying, Kendra, that's not going to work. You know how much you're going to lose? How many shoplifters are going to just take that jewelry?

• 27:15Speaker 01

  And I looked at them and I said, I believe that 98% of people are good. So I'm not going to build a business for the 2% of people that are bad.

• 27:24Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  And it worked.

• 27:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  We had lines around the block to come into this little store. No, it was like, it was like Red Oak or whatever in Las Vegas. Like, we had to get stanchions. It would be like five in, five out. It was unbelievable. It was this energy and community in the store. We were hosting community events with Kendra Gives Back events for local charities and color bar parties for birthdays. And it was, it was unbelievable. And we realized that this is the missing link. But it all came from a shake the snow globe moment of the recession for us to think differently. Because we were doing OK. We weren't, you know, making any big headlines, but we were paying the rent

• 28:10Speaker 01

  and I was being able to put my kids through school and things were good, right? But that recession was the greatest gift Kendra Scott ever got. And you would think, that sounds crazy. But it was, I say it's a ribbon wrapped in yellow was our future was because it forced me to think differently.

• 28:29Lewis Howes?

  What is this, what looks like recession, forcing you to think differently about the next evolution?

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Well, we don't know for sure if we're in a recession yet. You know, look.

• 28:39Lewis Howes?

  It looks like.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  But I also think.

• 28:41Lewis Howes?

  Let's just call this economic challenge.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  I get excited now, which seems really weird.

• 28:46Lewis Howes?

  What is the thing that, what's your blind spot that you haven't yet looked at within your business? That if you really start to peel back or lean into in a different way, could explode into the next level?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  When you think about when I started my company, it was, Cade was born two months after 9/11. I started at one of the most unstable times in our history. I started a business. Crazy. Here we are, 2008. One of the biggest economic crises that we faced in our lifetime happens. My business becomes lightning in a bottle growth afterwards because of that shakeup. The pandemic, scary, closing stores. It made me think about how we relate to our customer differently. Where is she and how do I meet her there? Does she need curbside? Does we need to make mobile access better? Does she need virtual? Styling, things that we weren't doing, we're doing now is every day is part of our business.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Because the pandemic had us thinking about where our customer was. So when you think about these things that are happening, it is, fear is good, fear is normal. But usually on the other side of fear, something great.

• 29:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  And if you can get through that scary, that scary phase, that uncomfortable phase and go, how am I going to make my business better today? How am I going to make my customer happier today? How am I going to understand where they are so that I can be there for them in this moment of whatever it is we're going through? Those are the businesses that are not only going to make it through this period, but they're going to absolutely thrive.

• 30:16Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. So how many stores, you started with one in Austin, how many stores did it get to before 2020?

• 30:22Speaker 01

  We were at just about 100.

• 30:23Lewis Howes?

  100 stores around the country?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Around the country, yes, around the country.

• 30:27Lewis Howes?

  Outside of US or just US?

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Nope, all in the United States.

• 30:28Lewis Howes?

  That's a lot of stores.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:30Lewis Howes?

  100 of your own stores, not like other brands?

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Kendra Scott stores.

• 30:35Lewis Howes?

  100 stores?

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Now we are over 120.

• 30:37Lewis Howes?

  120. Did you have to close any, you said, though?

• 30:40Speaker 01

  No, we just, we closed them temporarily during the pandemic. But we were really creative and 120.

• 30:46Lewis Howes?

  It's incredible.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  March 16th, I closed those stores.

• 30:48Lewis Howes?

  It's my birthday.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 30:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. That was like the week of the pandemic.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:52Lewis Howes?

  It hit and I was like, happy birthday to me.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Well, I was up at midnight for your birthday because I didn't sleep the night before, you know? I mean, it was...

• 30:59Lewis Howes?

  Because you're thinking, I got all these stores, if people can't come in, what am I going to do?

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Well, and I had all these employees that I love, they're my family. You know, a Kendra Scott family is one of our core values. And thinking about how are we going to keep our family in a good place? How are we going to be there for our customer family? You know, we have the sister rule at Kendra Scott, we treat her like our sister. So it was, I'm like, girls, get on the phone, start calling our customers. We had elderly customers that instead of us talking, asking them what they wanted to buy in jewelry, we were delivering food to their doorsteps. We really started to reach out and just say, we've built a connection with our customer. And, and I think for anybody that sells anything, it's doing anything with a retail service mind, make a connection first and the transaction will follow.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  When you're so focused on transaction, you lose the connection and you don't have that, especially when bad things happen.

• 31:52Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Our connection with our customer was so strong over the last 20 years. We were there in, you know, hospitals, 31 hospitals with our Kendra Cares program for pediatric cancer. We were there in oncology centers the month of October for our buy one, give one program, giving a woman battling breast cancer a gift and letting her try to have a little piece of joy. We show up when we aren't expecting to all the time, every single day. So when something bad happened to the world, our customers showed up for us. And they had this loyalty to our brand that wasn't fake. It was authentic and real. And, you know, I say this to companies all the time. Being an authentic brand, you have to be authentic.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  It's not something that you can just create. It has to come from doing it consistently. Day in and day out and leading by example.

• 32:44Lewis Howes?

  Right. Man, this is inspiring. I didn't know this whole story. It's really inspiring. I'm curious, there's a lot of entrepreneurs that watch and listen that are small businesses. You started as a small business. What's the difference between, you know, a few hundred thousand dollar a year or a million dollar business and a billion dollar business? What does it take emotionally, mentally, and psychologically to really excel to get there? And then what are some, a few of the things that take in terms of strategy and execution to get there?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Well, no small business is small. Because first of all, to have the courage to start a business is real big. And really amazing. So I always say that, you know, the smallest ideas can turn into things that you can't even imagine. But I think the biggest thing for me as an entrepreneur is knowing my weaknesses. And I think you think, whoa, wait, why would you want to know that? We try as entrepreneurs to be like, we can do it all. We are, we're like magical unicorns, right? And we're just have all, and that is the biggest failure we can make as an entrepreneur. We've got to know what we're good at. Very important, because if you can focus on the things you're great at. Awesome, but more importantly, know what you're not good at.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  And hire and create a team of people that are awesome at the things that you suck at. Because when you create this magical team, that is how you go from $200,000 a year to a billion dollar brand. Is identifying the places, the gaps, where you need to bring in others that have that expertise, that knowledge, that maybe have gone down that road before. And can help avoid some of those pitfalls. And that is how you get there. No single human founder on the planet has done it themselves. And if they have, they're lying to you.

• 34:28Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, right.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  They're arrogant and they're lying because it's not true.

• 34:31Lewis Howes?

  So I'm hearing you say the awareness to know what your weaknesses are. And then the execution and strategy to find the right people.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:38Lewis Howes?

  Team and expand the team.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  And expand the team. And then having trust and faith in that team and being collaborative. Knowing that you may not always have the greatest idea in the room. You know, you can be a leader and a visionary, but you also have to be able to absorb these awesome people around you. And more importantly, listen to your customers. Listen to them every single day. I read every comment on my Instagram to my marketing teams. Like they're like, Kendra, please don't read all these comments. I want to know, I'm like, has somebody gotten back to her? I literally said that on the way here, there was somebody had a question about something. I go, I didn't see a reply on Instagram. I mean, I'm doing a lot of things, but every day I want to hear from our customer. And I think from entrepreneurs, you've got to get out of your office.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Whether it's in a store, whether it's on your customer service calls, listening in, taking those calls yourself. Being engaged with the person that matters the most. And that is the person that is signing your check. It is not you signing your checks. Even though your name might be on the building, it is not you. It is your customer signing your checks.

• 35:43Lewis Howes?

  She's the boss.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  She's the boss. He's the boss. Now, we've got a men's line. So he and she are the boss.

• 35:48Lewis Howes?

  So I'm wearing a, you know.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Scott Brothers.

• 35:50Lewis Howes?

  It's funny because Matt was just saying that I never wore jewelry until a couple of months ago. My girlfriend got me a chain and some rings. And then you put on a bunch of cool stuff. Why did you start a men's line for 18 years? Was it a women's line, only line?

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, only. And we had so many men, first of all, like Kendra, you know, when are you going to? And I never quite like got it. My boys became men. Right.

• 36:13Lewis Howes?

  They never wore jewelry as a twelve year old.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Yes, so Cade, the three month old, is now twenty, okay?

• 36:18Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  So every year, my business has become a year older, so has my oldest son.

• 36:23Lewis Howes?

  Crazy.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  And when we were in the pandemic together, I would be having all my design meetings around my dining table, because we weren't really in the office. So, you know, a few of my designers, six feet apart, masks on, we would be designing collections. And my boys were home with me. And they'd be walking in the dining room, they're like, Mom, that is so cool, you need to make that for me, or can you make that in a bigger size? And I started talking to them, and I was watching kind of what they were wearing. They were kind of layering cool bracelets and, you know, and really kind of seeing their style come out. And I said, wait, maybe we should do like a little line together, you know? And it kind of just became kind of a fun project for us. We launched Scott Brothers, and it was, I think we exceeded by seventy percent or something crazy of our expectations for launch.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  But it was a line that came from a genuine place, and the boys love being engaged and involved in it, and it's been something fun for us to do. But we had thirty-six percent customer base that were male, prior to Scott Brothers.

• 37:21Lewis Howes?

  Because they were buying for their girlfriend, wives.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  So now they can come in and buy for their girlfriend and wives, and leave with something for themselves.

• 37:27Lewis Howes?

  And the women are probably the main buyers, they're gonna buy for their guys.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 37:31Lewis Howes?

  If they're gonna be there, they might as well get a gift from them, too.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's been really fun, and it's growing, I mean, it keeps expanding, so, yeah.

• 37:37Lewis Howes?

  You're like the Lululemon of jewelry now. Right, it's like, only women's clothes, and now they have like a small men's section, and now it's like, okay, it's bigger, bigger, now it's

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 37:46Lewis Howes?

  More men are in there shopping. That's pretty cool. So do you have like a, I gotta go to one of your stores and check it out.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Please, we have one here, yeah.

• 37:52Lewis Howes?

  It must be a cool experience.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  Century City, you can go here in LA.

• 37:55Lewis Howes?

  It's here in Century City?

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:56Lewis Howes?

  At the mall?

• 37:56Speaker 01

  At the mall.

• 37:57Lewis Howes?

  Come on.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Yes, right when you come up the escalator, like when you, where you go to valet, which I'm sure is that what you do, because you're fancy Louis, you know?

• 38:04Lewis Howes?

  But what's it next to? I'm trying to see, because I'm over there all the time.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  We're near Nordstrom area.

• 38:08Lewis Howes?

  Okay, I'm gonna have to check it out.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:09Lewis Howes?

  I'm gonna go on and look at the men's section, make sure it's good.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:13Lewis Howes?

  Now, okay, what was the biggest, you talked about the business challenge, what was the biggest personal challenge you've had to overcome and face, and the lesson you've learned from that personal challenge in the last twenty years?

• 38:22Speaker 01

  I mean, I think, you know, divorce is really hard, right? And nobody walks down the aisle. Saying I do forever and ever and expecting it to not work out that way.

• 38:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  And, you know, it's such a devastating thing, no matter what.

• 38:39Lewis Howes?

  Must be emotionally draining.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  But when you bring little kids.

• 38:40Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  So my boys were one and three. And I had a very young business that was just, you know, getting started. And it was, you know, it was a really, I think for me, that was, I felt like the biggest personal failure because I can do things like closing the business and it's on me, right? That's me. But when you have two little lives that you're responsible for, it's much bigger than that. And so you take those failures differently.

• 39:07Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  Right? Because it's affecting these little humans that you love. And so that was for me really, really hard. But at the same time, you know, I look at it now and I think, and I have a chapter in my book called The Average Family. There is no average family anymore. People go through marriages and divorces. I remarried. I had a little, you know, a younger son, so now I have three sons. My boy's got a little brother that they adore. He has these older brothers that he loves. My ex-husband and I are great friends. Uh, you know, we get along wonderful. He's remarried his two little girls, so they have sisters through him. This is, our family has evolved into this really amazing, you know, thing for everybody. And, but when you're in it, it doesn't feel like that's going to be the outcome.

• 39:51Lewis Howes?

  No.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  But for me at the time, it was, and, and it still is hard, you know, because it's not what you plan on happening.

• 39:58Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  But life throws you curveballs, Louis. And you just gotta figure out how to catch them sometimes.

• 40:02Lewis Howes?

  I thought it was just easy.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:03Lewis Howes?

  You know, I thought it was simple and everything happens in a perfect way. I've made every mistake in the book in relationships and, and suffered for many years and struggled and did a lot of therapy to just kind of help myself heal and unwind and realize why I was making certain decisions and things like that.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:19Lewis Howes?

  And, uh...

• 40:20Speaker 01

  And that's part of that personal growth that we're talking about, you know? And I think a lot of times we're judged, especially if you've gone through divorce. We can have monogamous relationships and break up and for some reason, that's okay for people.

• 40:33Lewis Howes?

  When you say I do and you commit.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Commit. And then that doesn't work out. People are like, ooh.

• 40:37Lewis Howes?

  Especially like the religious judgment.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  She's a divorcee.

• 40:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know? Ooh. So it's, it's, it becomes harder, but I love love and I believe in love. And, you know, I haven't given up on it. And yeah, it didn't always work out the way I planned, but that doesn't mean that I don't deserve love and that I can't be in a, in a relationship that's a committed relationship.

• 40:59Lewis Howes?

  Was there ever a time where you didn't love yourself?

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 41:04Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Yes. I, you know, I think I've been hard on myself throughout my life and I, and I think in 2020 was a year where I just felt like I lost that ability to overcome obstacles.

• 41:20Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Like I had before, because there were so many. There were so many coming at me all at once that I would try to, and I was trying to be positive for everybody else, because I didn't want my team at work or my kids to think mom was, you know, not okay. So I would be putting on this like mask of.

• 41:43Lewis Howes?

  Physically?

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Hi, yeah, hey, great, I'm great. And then I'd go in my room at night and just sob.

• 41:48Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 41:48Speaker 01

  And cry myself to sleep and feel like I didn't have it altogether and that I was a fake. Like, the world thought I did. And I, you know, that's when I started journaling and, and writing this down to say, I knew I needed people to know that I wasn't okay, because I had a feeling there are other people that weren't okay too, and that we're gonna overcome this. And I knew in my heart I was still gonna overcome it. I mean, I wasn't at a point where I was like, I'm not, I'm giving up, but I was at a point where I was just like, yeah, this is, this is, and, and I didn't feel like myself.

• 42:25Lewis Howes?

  In 2020?

• 42:25Speaker 01

  And I had to change the, the way I was doing things.

• 42:29Lewis Howes?

  In 2020?

• 42:29Speaker 01

  In 2020. And personally.

• 42:32Lewis Howes?

  But you'd made a ton of money, your business is everywhere, you're this big success, you've got, you know, your kids, you're healthy, I mean, you're healthy-ish.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:41Lewis Howes?

  You know, you've got stability in life, but you didn't feel like you were yourself.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  No. I, you know, I felt like a, a shadow of myself at that point. And, you know, money does not make you happy. And then success is different for everybody. And I think that's a really important thing to remember.

• 42:58Lewis Howes?

  What is success for you?

• 43:00Speaker 01

  So I realized that success for me was just having more time, more quiet time, more time with the people that I loved. And in 2020, I think with my father being ill, going through another divorce in my life, that separation of another failure, COVID, the pandemic hitting, you know, the world and my business, there was just so many things out of my control. That I felt out of control in a way, but I had to keep everybody thinking I was in control, which is the worst.

• 43:31Lewis Howes?

  It's a lot of work.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. And being able to finally just say, okay, I'm struggling and I need to, I need a break. And writing down what I saw my next three years of my life look like, because I had been going at a pace that was so intense.

• 43:48Lewis Howes?

  Fast.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  And be, trying to be superwoman for everybody, my kids, my business, my, you know, Kendra Scott family members, everybody, my own family. And finally just saying, I've got to focus on me a little bit. And taking a different role within the organization as a company, stepping down as CEO and becoming just chairwoman, lead, head of design, and I'm the customer advocate, so you know, queen of customer experience.

• 44:15Lewis Howes?

  So this happened in the last two years.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Last two years.

• 44:18Lewis Howes?

  You stepped down until you're.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  I did. And said, I know I can do more for the business and for myself and for everybody else if I just focus on the things that I know I need to focus on.

• 44:30Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  I created this school for women's entrepreneurship so I could help and inspire other young women. I wanted to spend more time with my kids, which we were getting to do during COVID. And I realized what a gift this was, spending more time with my father, who I almost lost, realizing I wasn't spending as much time as I wanted to before. And even having a quieter life, like gardening and animals and being outside and hiking and, and taking care of myself, even physically, doing yoga every morning. I'd never done yoga. Started doing yoga in 2020, changed my life. I mean, I, if I don't do yoga every day, I feel like I'm missing something now. But it was making priorities and what happened is, is those contributions to my company have

• 45:15Speaker 01

  caused the company to even grow and succeed more. When I was killing myself, right? You think you're working so hard, but you're not working effectively and efficiently.

• 45:25Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  And so having that reflection and that time to do that was what inspired the book because it really was something that was important for me to put out there, for others to realize that, you know, even when you don't feel it, there's this light inside of you still flickering away and surrounding yourself with people that help you find that light when you don't necessarily see it. And then it is going to come out, it's going to shine brighter than ever before.

• 45:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I like you Kendra.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  I like you Louis.

• 45:56Lewis Howes?

  I like this story, this is really inspiring. What was your, what was your biggest fear then? Was it failure or success?

• 46:04Speaker 01

  That's a good question. Cause I felt, I felt it both at different times in my life. For a long time it was failure. Because I failed, right? And I didn't wanna, I wanted to, to take away the, the failure cloak that I felt like was like-

• 46:19Lewis Howes?

  The monkey on your back.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, the monkey on my back. And wanted to prove that I could be successful. That I wasn't gonna let that shadow follow me anymore. Then, once you have this success and people all of a sudden look at you different, they talk to you a little different, they take you seriously more, you know, they act differently around you, you're like, whoa. But then you kind of feel that some people are talking to you for different reasons. Not because they genuinely care about you or love you.

• 46:46Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, right.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Or maybe they, they want something or they're, and then-

• 46:50Lewis Howes?

  You don't know why, the agenda.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that became scarier for me because I'm very like open and, you know, giving and generous. And you got to a point where I started to question some of the people, things in my life that were happening, why they were happening. So then that kind of scared me a little bit. And that trust of just wanting to trust everyone.

• 47:12Lewis Howes?

  I know, I had that for so long.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Became, I, I, I actually hated that feeling.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  But knowing that I'm not gonna let it change me. That yeah, I'm gonna, that I ended up, that I had some things happen that were hurtful or things that happened. But if I allowed that person or that event to change my heart, to change who I am, then they won. So, I'm not gonna let them win. I'm still gonna be the person I'm gonna be. Am I cautious? Yeah. Am I a little more thoughtful about things I do? Of course I am. But at the end of the day, I'm still gonna be the person I am. And, and that is a person that looks for the good in somebody first.

• 47:53Lewis Howes?

  What would you say you're more afraid of now? Fear or, uh, failure or success moving forward after this kind of transformation in the last couple of years?

• 48:01Speaker 01

  You know, I'm doing things that I haven't done before. So, writing a book and starting a school. A college dropout has an institute at the University of Texas.

• 48:11Lewis Howes?

  That's very cool.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  I'm a professor. They call me Professor Scott on campus, which is crazy. So that's what I'm saying. Anything is possible, folks. You don't believe it. I'm a professor and a college dropout. At a university, a top university in the country. So, anything is possible. But I want to do so well now for this legacy that I want. That all of these things have led me to this point. It's given me the opportunity to have a voice to help others succeed in their own life. And I want to see them succeed. And that would be, for me, that's what I'm fearful of. Is that I want to make sure I can figure out how to do this in a way that they have great success. Because I don't want them to fail.

• 48:50Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  I want them to have success. So, it's a cool place to be.

• 48:54Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful. What's the part of your voice that has yet to be heard?

• 48:59Speaker 01

  My singing voice you don't want to hear on the show, but no.

• 49:03Lewis Howes?

  Is there anything you've wanted to say that you haven't really fully said yet? You feel like it's still inside of you? I know you've written a lot of these things, these stories in your book. But is there something you feel like you still want to get out there?

• 49:15Speaker 01

  I think the biggest thing I want to say is don't ever judge a book by its cover. And I think it's so easy for us to dismiss someone's success as a fluke. You know, to just be like, oh, they got lucky. Or, you know, and especially women, Louis, we can be vicious. And I see women tearing other women down so much. Especially if they see success, there's got to be a reason or, you know. And then if a woman fails, oh, they celebrate the failures.

• 49:43Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, this is happening.

• 49:45Lewis Howes?

  Women celebrate other women failing.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we've got to change that dialogue.

• 49:49Lewis Howes?

  Why do they do that?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Because it's, we have our own impersonal insecurities. So if we see someone else doing something, it could be jealousy. It could come from a place of insecurity, you know. And we've got to stop that, right? Because if we can stop that and start celebrating each other's successes and pick, put your hand out when somebody else is falling and lift them out of that place, you will become more successful, more great. Your light is going to shine so bright. And that will attract so many great things in your life. That is what I want people to hear is let's not judge a book by the cover. Let's start to hold hands, lift each other up, support one another instead of tear each other down. And this would be an amazing world we could live in. Men and women.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't, I'm not, I don't, I think men do it too, right? I'm just a woman and I feel it. But in our company, we don't allow that. You know, we hire people on heart before resume. And we celebrate each other. Somebody gets a promotion, you'll see a hundred emails going, way to go, you so deserve this Maggie, or whoever it is, rooting for one another.

• 50:56Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  And that environment is infectious. It's contagious in a good way. And I think that is a message I want to get out there is like, find ourselves when you're at that dinner table and it's like, oh, so and so got a promotion. See the tone? Or so and so got a promotion. How awesome is that? You have the power to change that conversation in that moment. And we all have that ability.

• 51:22Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:24Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious about the mindset you developed around making money. Because you were in a hot business before and it wasn't thriving, right?

• 51:33Speaker 01

  No, not at all.

• 51:35Lewis Howes?

  So how did you learn? Because a lot of people kind of have this ceiling about how much they think they deserve to earn or make. And they kind of get stuck. That's from what I've seen. And it's hard for them to break through to the next level. So how did you, in your minds, psychologically, know that you were deserving to earn more? And to be able to build a business that had the potential to earn more? And how did you not have a ceiling at the different levels from a hundred thousand dollars in sales to a million, to 10 million, to 100 million, to a billion? How did you continue to break through that financial ceiling?

• 52:09Speaker 01

  I think for me, I've had a different relationship with money.

• 52:13Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Being a single mom, starting this business very bootstrapped, not having investors, it was survival for me. It was always like, I can pay my rent, help my kids go to this school. You know, it was very much survival mode for a long time. And, you know, and even hiring my first COO, which, you know, was like my partner in crime for many years, Lon, you know, I couldn't afford him. But I couldn't not afford him, so what did I do? I cut my payback because I was investing in the future of our business. It was always this bigger idea of building something that was bigger than just my paycheck. I wasn't thinking about it as much as that.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  I felt like this business was this almost, you know, I always say all the time that Kendra Scott, the company, is the DNA of all the people that are part of it. And we've created this like, I think now he's, she, he is a tween, maybe. You know, we've still got a lot of, a lot of growth to go with that brand. But it was the DNA of all the people. And so each thought about it was how are we going to continue to grow and do more? And success for us was also on our three core values, which was family, fashion, and philanthropy. We were always giving back, even from the very beginning. And the bigger we grew, the more we were doing and making an impact. So it was like, we were able to have this fashion brand, but also seeing how we could affect people's

• 53:43Speaker 01

  lives in a positive, positive way. And that was our fuel source because it was like, yeah, we're paying, you have to pay your bills.

• 53:51Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  But it was also seeing something else that we were building and growing that was really cool. I think the first time I had an investor, when I had those words said to me, "I want to invest in you Kendra," I was first like, wait, that's really weird. Did you say what? You know, I couldn't believe it. And it was an advisor. I had built up an advisory board because I didn't have a typical board.

• 54:13Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 54:13Speaker 01

  And I wanted to get other people's thoughts about my business. I wanted to be a sponge and learn from them. So I sought out people that I really respected in a very different fields, but that could help contribute to what I was trying to build.

• 54:27Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  And one of my advisors ended up being my first investor and saying, "What you're building is phenomenal. Can I please invest?"

• 54:34Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  And that in of itself was the first time I took money off the table.

• 54:41Lewis Howes?

  What year is this?

• 54:42Speaker 01

  2012.

• 54:45Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  So 10 years in.

• 54:49Lewis Howes?

  Took some money off.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  Silence.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  But it wasn't a lot. I mean, but for me, I never had money just in a bank account.

• 54:56Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  I had a float, a personal float and a business float.

• 55:01Lewis Howes?

  You'd have money so you could buy inventory.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Yes, and it was always this like chess game I was playing. That was the first time I actually felt like I could breathe a little easier.

• 55:12Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  And then, three years later, we brought in a private equity firm for 20% of the business.

• 55:18Lewis Howes?

  So you had a little more cash.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  And I got a little more. And then, that was for me. I would have been fine. I was fine. I was happy. And what it did for me is I didn't have to worry about money anymore.

• 55:26Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  I didn't have to worry about my float. I didn't have to worry about rent. I could pay for my kid's school. I mean, we were fine. I was fine. I had everything I wanted. So I could really start to be kind of a little more aggressive on the business side.

• 55:39Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  I could take more risks with the business because it wasn't like if this doesn't work.

• 55:44Lewis Howes?

  I have no money.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  I'm out. I'm living with my mom again.

• 55:47Lewis Howes?

  I don't think people realize how challenging it is to run a business. Like, I think they see Shark Tank, which you're on and you've been on, and they think, I think they see like people on Instagram or social media talk about their successful business. But I don't think they understand how stressful it can be to manage overhead, to manage your, you know, monthly payments, to manage people, to manage all the software you're paying for, all the logistics. There's so many things happening.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Entrepreneurship is not for the faint of heart. You don't go into entrepreneurship because you think, ooh, I want to just have my own business and be my own boss. Nobody's going to tell me what to do. Oh, honey, you, everyone will tell you what to do. Everyone's your boss. And you are going to be working so much harder than you've ever in your life. But if you're working for something that you're passionate about, you're excited about. I mean, for me, I would get up and still get up every morning and I cannot wait to be part of my business. I love designing. I love my customers so much. I love their stories. I love meeting them. I love my, my family at Kendra Scott that we've built. You know, I, I love it. And if you don't love it, you can't do it. And if you're just doing it for money, stop right now.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  Because that's not going to get you through and you will never become successful.

• 57:03Lewis Howes?

  Because for 10 years, you weren't really thriving financially. I mean, the business was growing. And you were making a good salary, but you weren't like, I've got all this money in the world now for me.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 57:12Lewis Howes?

  After 10 years.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  10, no. After 10 years, it was still.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  So hard every day, so hard. But then, you know, you start to see and like, again, the recession hit, things changed. My business was changing and we were starting to see and it was then it was lightning in a bottle.

• 57:32Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  It was five million to 25 million in sale, 25 million to 75 million the next year. I mean, we weren't just doing, we were growing at this unbelievable rate, but that 10 years of authentic dedication, love, standing by our core values, really just creating something and listening to our customer and being agile and pivoting when we needed to, not being so laser focused and it has to be this way. If the pandemic hasn't taught us that, I don't know what it is. I always say, you know, if you looked at my, my plan in 2020, I wish I had a piece of paper, I ripped it in half.

• 58:12Lewis Howes?

  Before, yeah.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Yes, I ripped it in half. You have to be able to be agile and shift, okay? With this upcoming recession that might be happening, we don't know. Be agile. Your plan that you have today may not be the plan that's going to look like it as you go down and traverse this next year or two or three years or whatever it might be.

• 58:33Lewis Howes?

  Be flexible.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Be flexible.

• 58:34Lewis Howes?

  So where you're at now is completely different than the plan you had two years ago.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 58:38Lewis Howes?

  What do you think was the, the factor that got you from the 25 to 75 million like that fast? Was it, what were the couple of shifts that you did that allowed for that growth?

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 58:48Lewis Howes?

  Within you and then tactically?

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, so with, within myself, you know, I felt like I had the confidence to, okay, my family's going to be okay. We're not going to be on the streets. Like, we're gonna be okay. I could really start to like, think outside of the box.

• 59:07Lewis Howes?

  Take some risks.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  And I was seeing this magic happening in our store that we were walking into every day and the lines and the.

• 59:14Lewis Howes?

  It's crazy.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  The, my office sat right above that store and I could just hear the roar.

• 59:19Lewis Howes?

  That's gotta be amazing.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Laughter and people having fun and the energy that the store was creating and I knew that this was magic. And so we started opening stores.

• 59:29Lewis Howes?

  So you started one then and then you started less two more?

• 59:31Speaker 01

  And then we started opening stores, opening stores. And each of those stores were creating this little ecosystem within that community. And we had a philanthropy outreach manager in every store. So we were building within the community, all of our philanthropy projects. And it was like we just saw it and we were learning. Every one, I was learning something and making the next one better. Never being complacent. Today, I'm never complacent. You know, people think, oh, you have a billion dollar brand. You can now just take a break. I have, are you kidding? This is when I really have to work.

• 1:00:01Lewis Howes?

  I know.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  I can never be complacent. I wake up every day and I say, how am I going to surprise and delight my customer today?

• 1:00:09Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's beautiful.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  How am I going to surprise and delight them? You can't just go on yesterday's wins. You gotta think differently every day. Today, I'm going to do better than we did yesterday. I'm going to make a bigger impact for her today. Surprise and delight.

• 1:00:27Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, because there's always, I mean, there's always boutique brands coming out too, right? There's all these, an influencer is launching a brand. There's all these different people that are coming out with retail and all these cool different things. And if you stay the same, people are going to move on to some other brand. Oh, let me check this out. And oh, this is really cool and become more of a customer over here than with you, right? So you have to constantly be innovating, it sounds like.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Innovating and you know, we've grown. And when we started, we were a fashion jewelry brand. Now we have sterling silver, which is like demi fine. And we have fine jewelry, diamonds, engagement rings, you know, 14, we have all three, you know, categories of jewelry. We have a men's line. You know, we're, we're doing so many different things. I mean, we have customers are layering their diamonds with our fashion brand that we bring out seasonally for spring or summer, you know? But we've grown with our customer. We have three generations of customers shopping in our store. We'll have the daughter, the mother and the grandmother. And they all leave with a little yellow bag and a smile on their face. There's not a lot of brands that can be generational like that as well.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  And that little girl grows with us. Maybe then she goes to college and she's wearing us on game day. Then she's getting married and she's getting our engagement ring. Then she's on her honeymoon. Then she has kids and now she's getting teacher's gifts. And, you know, and so we see our customers over 20 years who, and we've built such a connection with her and him now.

• 1:01:50Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  That it's this, it's such a, it's such a cool thing to see as a brand.

• 1:01:55Lewis Howes?

  So how do you, I mean, with someone, I'm not in this, this industry, obviously, I don't understand. But with, uh, let's say a brand that only focuses on the high-end jewelry, the engagement rings and the more expensive jewelry. And that's all they obsess about. They don't have the other two lines.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:13Lewis Howes?

  The generations of lines, I guess. How do you compete as a brand with a specialist brand that just does that?

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, I always tell everybody, if you're doing what everybody else is doing, you're already failed. It's one of my favorite things to say. You gotta be disruptive. So if you're doing high-end fine jewelry, you have to have your own unique fingerprint on it. You are what makes it great. Your personal brand, who you are, your aesthetic.

• 1:02:39Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Your, so be you. Don't try to be all the jewelry brands that are, you know, out there. You have to be you and you have to be doing something different, unique, and bringing something to a customer that nobody else is offering her. So that's the most important thing. Whether that's through experience, whether that's through product, uh, whatever it might be, it could be a combination. For us, it's a combination of all those things. Like the experience has to be amazing on wherever she's shopping. The product has to be amazing.

• 1:03:06Lewis Howes?

  So give us, so the only, I don't know the jewelry world. So I know, I've heard Tiffany's, right?

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 1:03:11Lewis Howes?

  So it's like, how do you, just an example, how would you compare yourself? Or how do you say, okay, we're going to try to, uh, draw in some of the audience that would normally go for a brand like Tiffany's and have them have one of our engagement rings?

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Engagement rings, yes.

• 1:03:25Lewis Howes?

  Yes. How would, how do you think about that?

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  So I think about it from a customer perspective. I think about the shopping experience at Tiffany's. I love Tiffany's. I mean, hell, who doesn't? Okay. Um, but I think it's, you know, it's a very high-end. It can be intimidating.

• 1:03:38Lewis Howes?

  It's under the glass.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  And you can go in there and you can feel great.

• 1:03:40Lewis Howes?

  White glove, white people, yeah.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  And, you know, in, in, in any store, and I'm not, because I, I'm not saying activities, but I've gone into stores as Kendra Scott in my workout clothes, my hair in a ponytail, sweaty after the gym.

• 1:03:52Lewis Howes?

  You feel intimidated.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  And they don't really want to talk to me, right? Kendra Scott's totally different vibe, you know, it's a more casual, more relaxed. We want your husband to come in and have fun. We're going to give him a beer. We're going to give you a glass of champagne. You can, he can just try on some rings, y'all can have fun. We're not, you know, it's a very relaxed experience, right?

• 1:04:12Lewis Howes?

  You might have to go check it out now.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  And it's fun, right? And you want to like, it's a place you want to come hang out. And again, we're not here to, you want to just try on rings and try on rings and have fun today? Great, because if you left with a smile on your face, you had a great time. We've succeeded at Kendra Scott because we made a connection. We made a connection. And you're going to share that, even if you never buy something.

• 1:04:31Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  You're going to share, we went into Kendra Scott's store today. Oh, my God.

• 1:04:34Lewis Howes?

  It was a cool, fun time.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  They had a local beer. I got, you know, my, my girlfriend, she got to try a bunch of rings. We had so much fun. They gave us cupcakes and champagne. I mean, this is great.

• 1:04:43Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, cupcakes, I'm going over there right now.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Hey, you can make any sale happen with cupcakes, okay? That's their lesson that you can take from this.

• 1:04:49Lewis Howes?

  When did you start adding, um, I guess, beer, champagne and food to the stores?

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  Right away.

• 1:04:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  From day one, I wanted it to feel like you were coming into my house. So at my house, you know, we'd have a big thing of lemonade and I'd have cookies out on a tray or little sweet treats. Um, it was always like you were coming into my house. Like if you came into my house, I'd be like, hey, can I get you something to drink? Do you want a little treat? Thanks for being here. So I wanted to create this environment of a warmth, of welcoming, of community. And it feel like, hey, we're glad you're here.

• 1:05:25Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious what the, I'm curious if you would have had it for two years without the food and drinks? And then you would have brought it and if it would have increased sales or how that would, that conversion would have been?

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  You know, I couldn't have imagined it without it.

• 1:05:39Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Now, we have a store in Austin. Our flagship store is in this really cool old house. If you go down on South Congress, and we have a little cafe called Sips and Sweets.

• 1:05:48Lewis Howes?

  Come on.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Because that's what we used to call it in our advertising is come in for Kendra Scott for Kendra Goes Back event, shop and have sips and sweets. So, we named our little cafe Sips and Sweets.

• 1:05:58Lewis Howes?

  So, you have an actual cafe now?

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  A little cafe.

• 1:05:59Lewis Howes?

  It's like next to the store?

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  So, it's coffee shop, wine, we have Froze all day, which is, yep, on tap.

• 1:06:06Lewis Howes?

  So, it's an actual standalone coffee shop, cafe?

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Inside our store, yes.

• 1:06:10Lewis Howes?

  It's inside the store?

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you can get to it outside, too. We have a little window, you can just go up and get your coffee. We have a patio where we have live music some days. On game days, we have big TV so the men can sit out there. We have local beers, wine, champagne. So fun. And then, all of the pastries and cookies are from local female makers.

• 1:06:32Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  So, they bring in all these amazing treats, and we're celebrating other entrepreneurs within the community. So, it's really cool. So, we're hoping to open more of those because that's been a huge hit in Austin.

• 1:06:42Lewis Howes?

  That's a lot of fun.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. But that's the never be complacent. That's the surprise and delight. It was taking a small thing and growing it into something even more exciting and fun instead of just being like, well, this works, we'll just keep doing that. And I think that's where

• 1:06:58Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  As an entrepreneur, you're the visionary, always trying to think of new... Some things aren't going to always work.

• 1:07:05Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  And that's okay, too. But if you don't try, you won't know.

• 1:07:07Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. I'm curious about relationships. And I ask men this question a lot about... I really admire the men who have built an incredible business and who have a relationship also. Not just, oh, I'm this single guy and I've made millions, but you know, a guy who's kind of stood the test of time in business and in relationships. I'm not saying they have to have the perfect one, and I'm not saying they don't have to have failed ones and new relationships, but where do you think you would be if you were, let's say, single for the last 20 years versus having relationships that had their ups and downs, but also had connection in them? Where would you be if you were single? Versus being in relationships.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  I think being in relationships has helped me be able to become the success I am today.

• 1:07:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  I am so thankful that I was a young mother. My boys drove me so much because I wanted to succeed for them. So they were such a driver of even not wanting to give up when there are times when I felt like it'd just be easier to throw in the towel. I'd look at their little faces and be like, no, I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up because of them. And so having those relationships led me to all of those things that gave me the drive. And, you know, and that just, oh, I want to make this work. Like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to make this work. And I think for any successful person, to have a person that they can be their most vulnerable self with,

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  where they don't have to be the rock star and the know every answer. And if you can have a person in your life that just allows you to be you, the messy, ugly, whatever, insecure times, you know, person, and they love you for that, and they're there for you. Every strong person needs a rock too. You know, we need a rock. We need somebody that we can tether to every once in a while because we're flying high. But you need that person sometimes in your life that can tether you in a good way, not keeping you from doing things, but know that you're safe. That you've got a place to come home to, a chest to lie on, someone to cry to, and, and, and know that they're not going to judge you.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  So I think when you can find a person in your life that brings you that type of peace, and that's, I think, the key.

• 1:09:30Lewis Howes?

  Like the highest level of currency for me in my life right now. Because I had so much lack of peace for so many years in different relationships. I take responsibility for a lot of it, but, uh, like right now, to have peace is incredible.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  And it's, and you want to say, like, you want, oh, it's fireworks, and it's this, and it's that, it's all this, you know. And I now go in my life and I go, I want to breathe easy and free. I want to, I think about coming home.

• 1:09:59Lewis Howes?

  Being accepted, being, yes.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  And yes, and just knowing, it's like a warm blanket. Like when you're in your comfiest sweats, and you're at home, and you've ordered in takeout, and you're with this person that just makes you. Like breathe, that's when you found the right person.

• 1:10:15Lewis Howes?

  What would you do if you could go back and speak to 20-year-old Kendra? What would you say to her about love?

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  I would tell her it's gonna be okay. And that on those days, we know you go through a breakup. It is, and you know, I see my sons in relationships now and like that young love. Oh my God, and I just know, I like know how hard it is. Cause I remember that, oh, you just feel like you're gonna die. I mean, you really do. I mean, you go through some breakups. It is not easy, but I think you're gonna be okay. And that, think about the things that you loved about this person. And think about the things that maybe didn't work so good. And then next time, when you start dating somebody, you're gonna see some of those things that you loved in the person that you had this relationship with. But you may not see some of those things that you didn't. Or you'll identify the things that you didn't.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  And if we can start even with business and other failures, think about it with relationships the same way. This person may be the reason to get you to that next person. I know that seems horrible to think about, because we want every love to be like the love.

• 1:11:21Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  But there's a lesson in every relationship, even friendships that we have. The friends that make us feel so good when we're around them and bring out the best in us. The friends that make us feel bad about ourselves or bring out the worst in us. You start to see those in people, right? And as you start to grow in your own life, and some people are lucky. I mean, one of my best friends, they met at 14. They're married, they have grandkids.

• 1:11:45Lewis Howes?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  They have kids and grandkids. They're madly in love with each other. And I look at them all the time and think, wow, that is a beautiful, amazing thing. And not that they haven't gone through ups and downs over all these years together. But that's okay if your life doesn't turn out like that. Every person in our lives has come to our lives for a reason. And there's a lesson that we can learn from them, good and sometimes bad. That's gonna get us to this next beautiful place to hopefully find peace and happiness.

• 1:12:13Lewis Howes?

  I've got a couple of final questions for you. I'm curious about, if you could go back and tell her to learn three specific skills. Could be personal skills, emotional skills, business skills. What skills do you wish you would have been able to learn faster at 20?

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  At 20, I would have told myself, Kendra. You are you. And you are a unique, amazing, beautiful human being that was put on this earth for a reason. And even though right now, you don't think you're good enough, you are. You are good enough. And you are going to do great things. And I believe in you. I believe in you. And I see you. I see that light in you. And giving her that confidence that I think I lacked earlier. And knowing that I don't have to be anybody but me.

• 1:13:09Lewis Howes?

  Right, self-confidence.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Self-confidence. That skill of just owning who you are. And I think today, in a world of so many filters and, you know, social media where we're projecting, I just want us all to feel like we can be vulnerable and be us and know that that's awesome. Because there's no one else like you. You're the only you out there. How cool is that? So, let's not try to be like anybody else. Just be you. You know, I think the other thing I'd tell her is that, yeah, there's gonna come times when you're gonna wanna give up. You're gonna wanna throw in the towel. You're gonna wanna say, "This is too hard." And that's the time when you've gotta pick yourself off the bathroom floor and say, "Now it's our time to really go."

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  And you're going to hear a lot of no's. You're gonna have lots of doors shoved in your face. But I want you to look at that no as what it says in a mirror. It says "on." And that means you gotta go. Because sometimes that no is gonna lead you to ask more questions about why they said no. What do you need that I'm not showing you? And it's actually, the conversation is just getting started when you get that no sometimes. So, don't be afraid of no's. Embrace them and get excited when you hear them.

• 1:14:24Lewis Howes?

  Yes. Okay, the third? Third skill, was that the third?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  I thought like it was three, but I can give you another one.

• 1:14:30Lewis Howes?

  One more skill.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Sure, one more skill. I think, you know, the last skill I would tell myself is... Failure is a gift and you hear it all the time. But we are so afraid of it that it sometimes immobilizes us. And I think my company would have grown quicker than it had even, not that it needed to. It all worked out okay. But I was so afraid of failure that I was too cautious at times. I was so afraid to fail that I wasn't moving forward. And I was stuck in the mud and just sitting there. And that failure is a gift and that when it happens to us, if we can go, ooh, okay,

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  that stung a little, but if I hadn't done this, I didn't, wouldn't have gotten these three great, amazing nuggets that now I'm gonna use because wow, that led me to this next cool thing I'm doing. So knowing that then and not being so afraid of it, that it was such a scary, awful thing and realizing that it actually could be the greatest thing that could ever have happened to me.

• 1:15:35Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, you're inspiring Kendra.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  So are you.

• 1:15:40Lewis Howes?

  I've got a couple of final questions for you, but I want people to get your book, Born to Shine, Do Good, Find Your Joy and Build a Life You Love. Make sure you guys get a few copies of this, give it to your friends, spread the message out, very inspiring message, story, life and lessons in here as well. So make sure you guys get Born to Shine. I asked you about the three skills you would tell yourself when you're 20, but this is a question I ask everyone towards the end called the three truths. So it's a hypothetical question. Imagine you live as long as you want to live, but it's your last day, eventually, far in the future, and you get to accomplish everything you want, personally, professionally, impact wise, service wise, it all happens, which I believe it will for you.

• 1:16:25Lewis Howes?

  And for whatever reason, everything you've ever created has to go to the next place with you. So we don't have access to your book or this interview or anything you've ever done, for whatever reason, it's gone from this earth. But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three things you know to be true. And this is all we have to remember you by, what would be those three truths that you would share to the world?

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  I would say first and foremost, try to live your life with an optimistic lens. I think it's easy to have a lot of self doubt. But when we can look at things from an optimistic mindset, where you see possibility, even in the impossible, that's when amazing things can happen. So, having an optimistic mindset really can change anyone's life. And it doesn't mean that you just see things like butterflies and rainbows all the time, but you're looking for possibility in something. I would say the second is be kind. You don't have to be a aggressive, mean, you know,

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  to be like taken seriously and strong leader entrepreneur. Be a kind, loving, compassionate human. Try to be empathetic and put yourself in someone else's shoes and give them the benefit of the doubt before you just jump to, "Why did you do that?" Maybe they did that because something else is going on, right?

• 1:17:50Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  So, I just, I think having a kind heart and thinking of your day, each day of spreading joy, for me is how I would love that lesson is. Is I don't just wake up and think, "Well, what can I do today to, you know, grow my business?" I think about when I'm walking in the coffee shop, "How can I make that person feel good today? How can I make them smile? How can I compliment them on something so that they know that they're seen?" Because one small moment of joy that you impact is, it will spread like wildfire. So, live a life that doesn't just with kindness, but live a life that you want to spread joy.

• 1:18:31Lewis Howes?

  Okay, cool. I love this. I want to acknowledge you for a moment, Kendra, for your...

• 1:18:40Lewis Howes?

  Your joy. I mean, when the first moment I met you, you brought, you shined, you brought the joy and the positivity and I could feel it right away. And I know why you've become so successful in your business and I think it's because you want to see others shine. You know, you want to see your customers shine. You want to see every person that comes in the store be treated like they're home.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:19:00Lewis Howes?

  Thank you for the gifts. I appreciate the gifts you got me. You made me feel like I'm home.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  No, you look so cool.

• 1:19:05Lewis Howes?

  You know, now I can be like the trendy, cool, you know, guy over here. But I really acknowledge you for it because I think it's been, it's really hard for people to be successful in business for two decades, almost two decades. And for you to go through the different challenges you had personally and relationships. A divorce can break someone in a business and you were able to get through that and shine even more. A recession can break someone. You know, there's so many different things. Health challenges and family can break someone. And for it to be something that builds you and not breaks you and just makes you stronger and opens your heart even more to being giving and joyful and loving, I think is really beautiful.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:19:44Lewis Howes?

  So I acknowledge you for the gift that you are, Kendra.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:19:47Lewis Howes?

  For writing this book and starting to open up even more and give back even more with your voice now to the world. Is there anything else we can do to serve you before our final question?

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  No, I mean, first of all, thank you for saying that, but you know, I appreciate it and I do agree. All I want from this book, from everything, is that everyone is born to shine. So on this book, it says Kendra Scott, born to shine. I'm not talking about myself. I really am talking about all of us have this unbelievable light and an ability to do something great, whatever that is. It doesn't mean you have to build a good business.

• 1:20:22Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  But whatever is going to bring you joy and happiness and make an impact in a positive way, we all have that light inside of us. So, you know, I'm hopeful that my story, along with so many other inspiring folks that you've interviewed and so many people around the world, being vulnerable and sharing that and allowing us to help find that within one another is really something that I hope we can do.

• 1:20:46Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful. They can get the book anywhere online, kendrascott.com. They can learn more about jewelry.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  Anywhere where books are sold, Amazon, you can get it anywhere.

• 1:20:56Lewis Howes?

  Kendra Scott on social media, with two Ts. Okay Kendra, this is the final question. What's your definition of greatness?

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  My definition of greatness. My definition of greatness is pretty easy for me. It is, um, it's yellow, first of all. When I think of greatness, I think of bright. You know, my color is yellow, but it's sunshine. It's light. It's shining a light in the dark places. It's bringing joy to those who need it on a bad day.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  That for me is greatness is when you can shine a light where there needs to be a light shine. Shine, shone, shone.

• 1:21:36Lewis Howes?

  Shone on.

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  Shone on. Um, I think that that for me is, uh, is greatness.

• 1:21:42Lewis Howes?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:21:43Lewis Howes?

  Appreciate you.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:21:44Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our greatness plus channel exclusively on Apple podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.

• 1:22:28Lewis Howes?

  And now it's time to go out there and do something great.