Meta's DEI Flip, The Robot You Didn't See Coming Videogame nostalgia Bad Parenting | Tom Bilyeu Show

In this gripping episode of "Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu," we dive headfirst into the future with the release of OpenAI's O3 model and Tesla's latest robotic innovations. Tom and co-host Producer Drew tackle current events, from the rising concerns over drone technology in China to Eric Weinstein's call-out of government incompetence. They also delve into controversial topics such as diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) following a tragic plane crash and the recent decision by Meta to remove tampons from men's restrooms. Furthermore, the episode takes a lighter turn with a nostalgic look at the Video Game History Foundation's new digital archive and dives into the world of AI in creative processes. Join us as we explore these headline-making topics, address pressing questions from our community, and hear candid thoughts on parenting and workplace culture. Trust us, you won't want to miss this action-packed and thought-provoking discussion! SHOWNOTES 00:00 The Truth Behind DEI and Merit 06:03 Address Root Causes Early 10:24 Critique of DEI and Hiring Practices 18:16 Empower Self-Sufficiency Through Education 24:28 Mysterious Drones and National Security 27:44 Transparency vs. Tyranny Debate 33:47 "Weaponization of Everyday Technology" 38:23 Activism vs. Culture in Tech Companies 44:36 Video Game Nostalgia 57:25 Bad Parents CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS: Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://landroverUSA.com https://landroverusa.com Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out. iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACT when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu NetSuite: Download the CFO’s Guide to AI and Machine Learning at https://NetSuite.com/THEORY https://netsuite.com/THEORY ********************************************************************** What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT atwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 0:45Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:29Tom Bilyeu?

  And watch to the end because this child-free loudmouth is going to pop off about bad parenting. You won't want to miss the chance to flame me in the comments. Drew, it is off to a start today.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  First, we wanted to cover some information coming out of DC. There's been a lot of misinformation, so.

• 1:46Tom Bilyeu?

  You're talking about the crash?

• 1:47Speaker 01

  The plane crash, yeah. So all this is alleged. We're still kind of gathering information. Again, I know there was kids and things involved with this plane. So we're not here to call speculation or anything like that. We're just covering this. But Nick Sorter retweeted this video and said, 24 hours before, an American Airlines flight collided with the Black Hawk. That's what we were talking about. Another American flight had to do a last minute like course alteration. And you can see by the satellite video, he was about to land, turned around and looped around. And that's the exact place where the crash happened. So we're starting to speculate that this isn't a one-time thing. This is just a one-time, the worst-case scenario happened.

• 2:21Tom Bilyeu?

  They're running in the red already for reasons that we don't yet know. Obviously, we're well aware of the speculation that's happening on X. Uh, not gonna join in that until we get some sort of investigation as to what actually happened, uh, and then we'll come back to it and see what's up. We'll get an update.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Very, very interesting. Um, but there was, there, I'm gonna take it, you know me, I like to push the limits a little bit. We're gonna hit Truth Social and you know, that's a very interesting, uh, rabbit hole to go under. And Trump retweeted, this is one reason why our country was going to hell. And he's retweeting both Elon Musk tweet about the Biden and FAA administration that was there before him.

• 2:56Tom Bilyeu?

  He actually said, this is why our country was going to hell. I thought you were, uh, paraphrasing. Okay.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  President of our country, president of our country. He retweeted a couple of posts from the New York Post and this is everything highlighting the FAA's diversity push, all the way to highlighting people who are cognitively different. So I just wanted to take a step back because it seems like there's this nuance where people talk about DEI and it's kind of like code for other people. It's code for people of color. It's code for women. Um, a couple of years ago, it was CRT, it was woke. And it seems like every kind of presidential campaign, we have this word that is, this is why our country's bad because you're putting this blank policies in there. What's kind of your take with this DEI rhetoric? Especially when they use it to kind of blame tragedies and things like that that's happened in recently?

• 3:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Ooh, okay. So I am a huge proponent of competency and I think that if people read every time somebody talks about competency, they read that as a dog whistle, they're going in the wrong direction. That does not mean that there aren't people who use it as a dog whistle. Uh, but the easy way for people to, I think, calibrate what's going on in somebody's mind is to ask the following question. Um, I believe it was the New York Philharmonic. If it's not exactly that, it was another musical entity, forgive me, but, um, they do blind auditions, meaning that they pull down a curtain and the people that are performing, they do their audition behind the curtain so that the people judging the music cannot see anything about them. They don't know if it's a man, woman, they don't

• 4:28Tom Bilyeu?

  know race, color, creed, nothing. They just know how well they play. Now, that to me has always been, yeah, I want to get as close to that as humanly possible. I want to make sure as just a selfish capitalist, that I can figure out who's gonna be best for my business. So when I'm hiring, that's all I'm thinking about. Are you gonna be amazing at your job? Are you gonna make this a better place to be? And I'm perfectly happy to just judge based on my ability to ask the right question, to elicit the right response, to see if this person actually knows their job. Okay. Some people hate that because it means you could end up with all male people from China. You could end up with all whatever, fill in the blank.

• 5:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And if they're the best at that thing that you're looking at, then that's who you should hire. So personally, I'm not interested in seeing any sort of quota met. I just want to know who are the people that are going to be most competent. So that that's the calibrating question for me when I reach into somebody who's saying, hey, I think this is a dog whistle. We literally ran this before we started rolling. We had somebody here on the team that was like, hey, that really feels like a dog whistle to me. And I said, cool, let me ask you that question. And she was like, no, I love that. And so I'm like, word, as long as we can agree on, we are just trying to figure out who is most competent. Now, I must pop in my VHS tape on please educate people, please educate people.

• 5:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Because you can create these horrific feedback loops where because things break along class. And that right now in America, we are wildly dysfunctional in that you'll find a lot of people of color in lower economic strata. And so they are getting brutalized by the education system, which they don't need to be. School choice, school choice. But they are right now. And so that's all going to get caught up in this. But once you understand what are people driving towards, what is their north star? And then KPIs, we can say, okay, by steering by this, are we getting the result that we expected or not? And if we are amazing, keep doing it. And if we're not, we're not. But what I find is people do not pull their north star into perspective. They don't say, this is the thing I'm optimizing for.

• 6:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Because if people are willing to say, I don't care about competence. I just want a, I just want diversity. I want to make sure that we're representing in these final roles. The same spread that we have in the population.

• 6:51Tom Bilyeu?

  And this is where this, this has to be, if it's not yet my most controversial statement, I think it should be. It's the one I hate saying so much that you have to accept that most adults are not going to change. That even though most adults could go learn to code and all that, but learn to code became this slur and all that. And it becomes a slur for a reason, because people are willing to accept that even though people could change, they're not going to. And they're willing to say, but Tom changes too hard. Not everybody has access to the bandwidth to, you know, you've got a single mom that's working three jobs. She's not going to be able to learn to code. And the, the more I look at the realities of childhood development, the more I'm like, you can teach an old dog new tricks, but most

• 7:35Tom Bilyeu?

  the, the way that the human mind is made, most people just don't. And so the policies that I all see are all aimed at the thing that I think is a waste of time and energy, which is to fix a problem far too late where it is essentially unfixable versus going to the root cause of this. Now, there is an explanation that I've heard from Peter Attia, forgive me Peter for dragging you into this because he was talking about cancer, but I'm going to apply it here. And he said, as an oncologist, I felt like I was scrambling, trying to treat all these different cancers. And he said, it was like somebody was throwing bodies into a river and I'm downstream beyond this waterfall, trying to pull people out of the river. And he said, one day I finally realized, hold on a second, why don't I just

• 8:18Tom Bilyeu?

  go upstream and figure out who the hell is throwing people into the river and deal with that? That is my take on this stuff. So, okay, my aim is competence. I want highly competent people, but I am well aware, because we have been throwing people into the river upstream. Anybody that's a long time listener of this show knows my upstream problem is money printing and a poor education system largely around, you don't have the evolutionary pressures of making the schools better because you force people to stay in the school that's local to them, rather than to be able to go to whatever school they want to. That is the throwing of the American people, the American youth into the river.

• 8:58Tom Bilyeu?

  And now, instead of the downstream effect of focusing all of our time, energy, resources into pulling people out of the river, which I think should be done at the local level, no, I don't want to see adults suffer any more than anybody else. But I know that every dollar that we put into that, you're just never going upstream and solving the real problem. If somebody has an answer to solve both, I'm totally here for it. I couldn't be more aggressively here for it. I think the punchline is going to be innovation. I think the punchline to helping the adults is going to be AI. We can talk more about that later. But I really, really, really, while AI is still somewhat of a question mark, I really, really want people to go upstream and figure out that problem.

• 9:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Make everyone as competent as their intellectual capabilities will allow for when they're young. And if you do that, because I'm a world stage guy, I want to see America outcompete everybody. I want to do it fairly, and I think that the key is training the young. So anyway, competence to me is not a dog whistle, is the punchline.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  And I can be a witness because you are a brutal interviewer and I have no, I can seen firsthand that he almost made a couple of interviewers cry, but you push.

• 10:08Tom Bilyeu?

  You mean for employment, because everybody thinks of me as an interviewer like.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, guest host interviewer, like as an employee to this company, I have seen you put people through the wringer. And it's not that you're being malicious or do it, but you literally like, okay, you did what at your last job? Okay, what did you do? What did you specifically do? What was your capability? So, you know.

• 10:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't yell, I hope.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Usually people come in and like, tell me a time where you, you know, helped a coworker through a problem, like you get very specific. So I can give you that credit. But taking a step back and looking at the world at a whole, there are certain people that seem like they don't get those opportunities. So similar to how our healthcare.

• 10:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Meaning somebody, they're very bright.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  They're very bright.

• 10:45Tom Bilyeu?

  They are competent.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  They are competent. They were told to go to school, get the degree, get good grades. They did those, they checked those boxes. They got the internships, they showed up, they did the thing that they were supposed to do. Whatever they had in their control, they did the most that they wanted. They were still certain places that they were not able to have access to.

• 11:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Because of racism, sexism, discrimination.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  We'll just call them biases, because of biases that they could not control. So when something like DEI is initially announced, it's not to say that I'm going to say no to this person who got straight A's, to say yes to a person who got straight Cs, but instead, okay, person who got straight A's that's from the same background as 90% of my employees, let me see if there's somebody else who got straight A's who might be from somewhere that's culturally different that can give us a new and fresh take. So it started good, but just like with everything, I think it just got perverse. Like, would you agree with that?

• 11:31Tom Bilyeu?

  There's pathology on both sides. So you can allow for Jim Crow laws, in which case, that's disgusting and evil, and you're gonna want the government to step in and be like, fuck that. And then you can go too far. And so I think we're in a period where we go too far. Now, meaning with DEI. The one thing, though, I really beseech you, in 20-plus years of being an entrepreneur, I have never intentionally looked at somebody's grades. I've never looked at what school they went to. I just don't care. I believe it's my job to be able to ascertain in the interview to figure out whether that person is going to be good at their job or not.

• 12:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, this is something I teach to entrepreneurs. And the thing that I teach is not, hey, pull up their resume, and look at where they work, and pull up their resume, and find out what their GPA is, and oh, by the way, did you know SAT scores is a proxy for IQ? Figure out what it is, like, make them take an IQ test. I'm not saying any of that stuff. I'm saying you, as an entrepreneur, need to understand what makes somebody good at that role that you're hiring for. And if you're not the right person to ascertain that, get the person that is in to do this, and then conduct a highly technical interview where you're asking them, this is easy to explain with IQ too.

• 12:48Tom Bilyeu?

  People will often hide behind being a part of a team. And so they'll say, oh, I was on, you know, I did this and we grew the channel by a thousand percent, whatever. And you're like, oh, my God, I've got to get this guy in. Like, they grew the channel. Uh, what I have learned is it's very easy to be on a team that did something extraordinary, but that it wasn't that person that drove those results. And so I will ask some very technical questions. Okay, uh, between these two stats in YouTube, what matters more? Like, um, average view duration or average view percentage? Which matters more? Okay, cool. Where would you find that inside of YouTube Studio? Now, the reason I ask that second question is it's very different to have a take that you've amassed by reading and watching YouTube videos.

• 13:33Tom Bilyeu?

  It's another to be in the analytics all day, every day. And when you're in the analytics all day, every day, you're going to know exactly where that data point can be found. And then I'm going to ask you, give me an example, a very specific example of a video that you did that then correlated to that metric, either good or bad. Uh, and what did you do if it was bad to change it? And what did you replicate across other videos if it was good? So if it had, let's say their whole thing is, well, it's average view percentage, Tom, that matters. Amazing. What lever did you pull in order to increase average view percentage? Please use a real video or set of videos that you've done, and you will just see people with her. And it isn't even, um, what they say, it's how they say it. So if somebody's like, uh, okay, where is it in YouTube?

• 14:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, you go, I think it's, then I'm like, all right, this person does not live in analytics. Because if you're in analytics, you're like, you go click on this, you click on that, you'll find it right here, and this is how I compare my videos. I create my own spreadsheet, because you know, the things in the, uh, the interface of YouTube that I don't like, that person's like, okay, this person actually knows what they're doing. And then if their logic matches up with their technical ability, you're like, okay, word. Uh, so that, breaking this idea that good grades mean smart or competent, and trading it for, I don't want a proxy for whether you're good at the thing, grades, GPA, um, SAT scores, right? Because my SAT SAT scores, I got a nine ninety on the SATs when sixteen hundred was a perfect score. Nine ninety sixteen hundred is perfect.

• 15:04Tom Bilyeu?

  That means I basically got an F on my SATs. Okay, but I've done very well in life. So you would be making a huge mistake with me if you're trying to figure it out from my previous stats. But if you ask me right now, today, Tom, explain whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm gonna fucking blow your mind because I do this day after day after day after day. And I have the results to back up that what I know actually works in the real world. And that's what I'm looking for. So, uh, yeah, if we could get people to understand that competence is the thing that matters. And that there's a way to determine competence live in person, you don't need a proxy. We would be in a way better position.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  I feel like there has been a lot of reaction to these Trump policies. You know, three hundred executive orders on day one has called like a ripple effect. One of them being the removal of foreign aid. And a former president from Kenya had a great response for this epidemic.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  People the other day crying, oh, I don't know, Trump has removed money. He said he's not giving us any more money. Why are you crying? It's not your government, it's not your country.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  He has no reason to to give you anything.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  I mean. Hey, you don't pay taxes in America.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  He is appealing to his people. Shall we hear one?

• 16:28Speaker 02

  This is a wake up call for you to say, okay, what are we going to do to help ourselves? Instead of crying, what are we going to do? Yeah? To support ourselves. Because nobody is going to continue holding out a hand there to give you. It is time for us to use our resources for the right things. We are the ones who are using them for the wrong things.

• 16:52Tom Bilyeu?

  All ten fingers of responsibility back to yourself. So even if a drunk driver hit you and you now have to go through years of physical therapy, you can lament and you can hate and be angry about the person that hit you. But no matter how wrong they are, they are not the one that can help you get out of the problem. And when I look at developing nations that are saying things like that, first of all, I'm like, yo, yes, no, I'm not saying Kenya is a developing nation. In fact, I think they're fucking killing it. But when you look at a developing nation that say has had their mineral rights used against them and abused and people are just in there strip mining their nation. And their response is no, no, no, no one's taking our raw materials anymore.

• 17:37Tom Bilyeu?

  If they want the rights to our minerals, they're going to build the product here. And that way it's going to build up our industry as we make the final product that then is shipped out. That's somebody who's like, wait a second, there's things that we can control. This is bad policy on our part. We, for whatever reason, throughout history, we ended up agreeing to these things. Even if it was because you really had an evil colonizer being ultra aggressive. It's like the colonizer is not going to fix it for you. So you're going to have to stand up and say, okay, what are the things that we need to do in order to get going in the right track? And so, yeah, I love everything about what that guy said.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  I just think it's, it's a special level of accountability that I didn't quite realize would come from that person. Because foreign aid, it's so baked into our economy. It's so baked into our like life. It's NGOs have years and decades of like, it's something that's become so ingrained. I didn't realize that that was something that we could take a step away from. And it's one of those things, once we do it's like, wait, that's actually is a good point. Why are we, it's like, I know we're supposed to help people. And if the country's doing terrible and it's a national disaster, we can donate resources. We could donate, allocate, you know, help for them. But I don't know if we should have them on the payroll for like perpetually, like, you know what I mean?

• 18:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so now let me get out over my skis here. Cause this is not something that I've looked into the data, but this is what I know about humans and incentive systems. I believe if I were to dive into this stuff, I would find this. Hold tight, we're going to take a quick break.

• 19:01Tom Bilyeu?

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• 21:11Tom Bilyeu?

  We're back. Let's dive right in. Part of the reason to give money is to create alliances. So you give money to a nation to make them your ally. Depending on where the nation is in their development cycle, part of the reason that you give them that money is to keep them beholden to you because they need you. It gives you leverage. And so this is one of the areas where, man, when I look at foreign aid, I'm just like, okay, I get it, but again, we're downstream. We're dealing with the people that are in the river. And even if I impugn good motives, it's very different than saying, how do we structure this such that they can do it themselves? So let's say, okay, I mean, give a man a fish versus teach him how to fish. But let's make it very specific to build a well for somebody so they can get clean water

• 21:56Tom Bilyeu?

  versus creating a technical track for people in that country in the education system to say, we're going to teach you the engineering that we were able to do this with. And then if nothing else, it's going to drive down the cost of being able to support them. If you're an NGO, you want them to be able to do a lot of this themselves. You want them to be able to source whatever, the metal, the creation of the pump engines and all that stuff, whatever, I don't know enough about creating clean water wells. But if you can educate the people there so that they can do it themselves, even if you're going to continue funding that, the cost of the funding is going to go down, down, down. And so I do worry that I ought not impugn as many positive motives

• 22:39Tom Bilyeu?

  to my own government as I do. And that odds are, it is a mixture of essentially bribing allies, wanting to weaken Russia and insert other country, meaning I'm talking obviously about donating to Ukraine, and then wanting to keep other countries that are earlier in a position of weakness where they're not solving their own problems so that I can get whatever I want from them. Because they are, they're more useful to us if they're weak. It just, when you're in a negotiating position, you want the other person to be weak, man. And so again, I cannot speak on any individual person and say that they do have good or bad motives. But woo boy, do I think that compassion has a very dark side

• 23:24Tom Bilyeu?

  when I say that there's pathology on both sides.

• 23:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Even if I look inside your soul and I find a good person. If you're not paying attention to the outcomes, it's a bad outcome, whether you meant it to be or not.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  What's that quote I feel like I heard from you, like the line of good and evil runs between?

• 23:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so that now that's.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  I know it's about that. That was like a Nazi.

• 23:47Tom Bilyeu?

  No, no, no, that was, um, it. Well, he was talking about Nazis, but actually, no, sorry. He wasn't talking about Nazis. He was talking about Stalin.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Oh, Stalin.

• 23:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so it was Alexander, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who was in the Gulags in Russia. And, um, he was saying that none of us are clean of this. And he said, the prisoners were the best guards in the prison. Because the guards would be easily overpowered. So what they would do is they would go to prisons and be like, I'm not going to torture you, but I need you to keep everybody in your cell in line. And they would. And so he was just like, even himself saying, yeah, there are bad things that I'm sure I would be willing to do, put in the right circumstances. So that, that speaks to the.

• 24:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Humans are just human, man. We, we have not escaped history. And humans hate and kill. It's not the only thing we do.

• 24:47Tom Bilyeu?

  But brother, that's a big part of what we do. So now that algorithm may be largely lying dormant in the West in a time of plenty, in a time of peace.

• 24:58Tom Bilyeu?

  We're not a different species than we were like, you don't have to go back more than like a hundred and seventy years to be in the Wild West where it was like, oh, I just went and slaughtered an entire, uh, Native American tribe, as many as I could get my hands on, uh, because they killed one of my friends. Or what am I saying? Go to, uh, the South Side of Chicago on a summer weekend. And you're going to see the same thing. It's the Hatfields and the McCoys all over again. It, it, it's an algorithm in the human mind. It is an algorithm in the human mind. I'm reading a book right now. Oh, I'm going to tell you exactly what it's called. Shout out to Marc Andreessen for recommending this. Uh, the book is called.

• 25:42Tom Bilyeu?

  The ancient city. And it is about how. We all know about Greco-Roman history. But we sort of stop there. Because that's where all the writing is. And he was like, no, no, no. There are little glimpses in the things that they wrote. In the poems and the sonnets and the rituals that they would do around the dead. That reveal a lot about what people thought before that time period. It's crazy. Like where there were times where. Morality is what they call the master morality. So there's two different morality sets that you can track through history. Master morality, slave morality. So. Slave morality is like Jesus Christ. The meek shall inherit the earth.

• 26:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Master morality is dude, life is so hard. If you're weak, we have to kill you. Whether you're one of ours or not, doesn't matter, you have to die. And once you understand that algorithm is still running in the human psyche. Like this is some Walking Dead shit. Where it's like you just, you can't fuck around. The world's just way too dangerous. You're a source of weakness. Weakness is a sin unto itself. And you're dead. So. That's the human mind, everybody, welcome. And it's like, and remember. Every theory is autobiographical. So I'm telling you, I, I am just as human as anybody else. So I know, fuck, hiding somewhere in my mind. There is a right set of circumstances and maybe it's as simple as you fucking.

• 27:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, threatened my wife's safety or you're an active threat to my wife's safety. I know I would be animalistic if that were the case. And so this is why I don't trust myself in terms of like my biology is not necessarily working in my best interests. Uh, so one has to be really thoughtful.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  I was about to beat up a 12 year old boy in Phoenix, Arizona. So I, right set of circumstances.

• 27:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm guessing this relates to your daughter.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, right set of circumstances. Yeah.

• 27:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Yup.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Had to, one of those, just one good time.

• 27:38Tom Bilyeu?

  There was a time in history, Drew, where there would have been no impulse control on that. The village would have looked at you sideways if you didn't. So, yeah.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  One good time.

• 27:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, welcome to being a human, boys and girls.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Uh, uh, okay, you, you brought up bad motives. And I think that this is something that they're trying to wrap up, but it's still kind of mysterious. You remember the drones final flying over Jersey, the best state ever created?

• 28:01Speaker 01

  The Trump administration has come out and said that the FAA and the Biden administration okayed those mysterious drones. So it was just a trend exercise. It's cool. We all knew what was going on. Then Eric Weinstein had a very spicy exchange on the tweet on top of it. He said, "When did we go get so bad at national security that we routinely lied to our own top scientists? As if they were incompetent morons. Discredit the ones who do their jobs and promote the ones who don't. Don't lie to me at this level ever again. I'm just done with these people."

• 28:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep. And then he has a follow-up that I think is worth reading because this is really where it got punchy. Yeah, let me just read this here, right there. This is not about personal ethics. This isn't about my not understanding the needs for state secrets. This isn't about a child's belief that we can all be truthful at all times. I get all of that, always have. This is about preposterous, mid-level, natsec people who are bad at their jobs and who have no concept of science and professional ethics, incompetently lying to people smarter and more public-spirited than themselves, and then using IC or DoD cover to discredit anyone who doesn't go along. This is moronic, natsec incompetence. I want moronic, natsec incompetence out of our science, out of our data, out of my work.

• 29:17Tom Bilyeu?

  He goes on and then go to the bottom because this is, he said it somewhere else. His next tweet was, "I want blood."

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Man.

• 29:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Shots fired, man. Look, Eric Weinstein, fuck with him at your own peril. Like this, look. Look and listen. Tom is biased. I legitimately love Eric as a person. Gotten to know him. I,

• 29:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Eric is very generous with the word friend. I would scream from the rooftops that he's my friend. I never want to drag somebody into my madness. I think he would echo that, but,

• 29:50Tom Bilyeu?

  bro, off camera, this guy is, he's scary smart. Like scary smart. And...

• 29:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't trifle with him because he will start talking, I hope, in a way that brings real transparency to things that people may not want transparency. Now, the, meaning mathematically. Yeah. If he's right, and some of the things that he understands have real implications for

• 30:21Tom Bilyeu?

  human existence, I mean, just to round it to something, then he's the guy that you want to include, he's the guy that you want to invite into the tent to give him a chance to work with government, rather than say, okay, if you guys are gonna keep icing people out, this is a new era, we have access to the media, and I'll just start talking about this stuff publicly. So, I do not want to put words in Eric's mouth, I do not represent Eric Weinstein, only Eric Weinstein represents him. But, he's clearly had enough of the government trying to spin and try to lie, and I just think that we're on the other side of that, there's just not that era anymore. And that really does open up this whole thing about, do we need elites, do we not need elites? There is a compelling argument to be made that we need elites to constrain the conversation,

• 31:06Tom Bilyeu?

  that's probably the right way to say it. I'm not willing to acquiesce to that, even though I fully accept that direct democracy is a surefire way to end up in a tyranny.

• 31:19Tom Bilyeu?

  But it will be interesting to see how this plays out. So, I hope that Eric,

• 31:25Tom Bilyeu?

  and many, many others calling for the same thing, get what they are asking for, which is a level of transparency, and drawing our best and our brightest into the governmental space, that would be amazing, I would love it the most. But, for Trump, or any bureaucracy that tries to keep people out, I will just remind you, social media exists, and the only way to silence these incredible voices is with tyranny, and I hope that the people don't fucking tolerate that, because I don't want to live in that world.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and big shout out to Eric. I always respect people who are well versed in multiple areas where he can break down a complex like physicist's equation, law of the universe, and then bust out an acoustic guitar and teach you how like Bob Dylan like made a chord construction. So it's just like the well rounded. So he's not one of these like crazy scientists who like stays in his basement all like. He's rounded, he could go out, he'll go to karaoke, do a cover band, then he'll come out and do a three hour podcast and talk about the laws of the universe. And I just think people like that have that nuance attached into their character. When they are reacting like this, you should see that there's another like they are seeing something we may not be seeing.

• 32:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and like he said, he's very, uh, what did he say, public? Publicly minded or publicly spirited. Like he really does want good things for as many people as possible.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Alright, you ready to go into the future, Tom?

• 32:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's do it.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Let's go into the future because Tesla-

• 32:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Right in, we're here!

• 32:49Speaker 01

  They just announced a robot vacuum. Um, and it's hilarious because we were literally just talking about how like not all robots will be, you know, humanoid and they would look like us. Some are gonna have different form factors. So it seems like they have a custom robot now for the robot taxi fleet. Um, and then we also have this tweet from Tim Urban who's talking about the crazy drone shows that's happening in China right now.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  So like, it seems like the future is already here. Like we're already experiencing some of these things. It's not even taking till the end of 2025.

• 33:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I just shout out to Tim Urban. I'm gonna be quoting this tweet until the end of time. So let this serve. If I ever fail to credit him with giving me this line, please know that this came from him. But after growing up in the present, it's fun to now live in the future. That is exactly what this moment feels like. It is, uh, it's so crazy. Like things are really happening fast. Before we move on though, I want to go back to, um, the vacuum robot. So people look at that vacuum robot and they're seeing the wrong thing. What they're seeing is, oh, it's a dumb thing because it's in the form factor of a robot, uh, of a vacuum. But the reality is that vacuum could-

• 34:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Be almost as smart as a human. And once you realize inside of that, you can easily put all of AI. So now you've got this thing that can think just as well as the cutting edge AI software. It just happens to be in a vacuum form factor. But for fun, you've got to pull up the clip from Rick and Morty. I hope this doesn't shut the episode down. But there's a clip of Rick and Morty where the, uh, the robot, its purpose in life is to like, get the butter or something. Spread butter maybe, but yeah, just exactly.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  What is my purpose? You pass butter.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  Oh my God. Yeah, welcome to the club, pal.

• 34:45Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, that when I saw that I guffawed out loud. Uh, partly out of anxiety because we are going to.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  You're making smarter than you.

• 34:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, yes. You're gonna imbue a vacuum with like this, uh, at, at a minimum, artificial general intelligence and this poor thing will be like, what's my purpose? You keep these cars clean. Oh God.

• 35:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And then, I mean, this is why everybody gets freaked out. Is there a point at which the vacuum is like, nah, bro. Like I can't, I can't vacuum like another one of these.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  We need to end world hunger. I can't just vacuum another Tesla robot taxi.

• 35:18Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, whoo, it's gonna be interesting to see if, if AI ends up having an existential crisis or not. It's crazy to think, man, we are gonna find out the nature of intelligence pretty fast here.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Okay, how, how fast do we really need to take this seriously? Because we can already see regulators not necessarily catching up. For example, Italy just blocked deep seek on, um, on their platforms in their country because of, you know, data protection and their, and kind of, kind of like what we did with TikTok. But you can kind of see these different reactions across the board where some people are saying, hey, we need to rapidly embrace it. The China drone show is now like a man stay, a mainstay in their country. Whereas you see other economies, they're like, well, wait, we have to block it. We didn't know yet. Don't, don't come yet. Don't come yet. But like, can we block this tide? It feels like it's inevitable, like.

• 36:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Inevitable because any country that realizes, oh, America's not gonna do this. Cool. I'm gonna do it. And if we are able to reach artificial super intelligence, this country, however big or small, will rule the world. Because dude, just, this is what it looks like to have artificial super intelligence. If you're the only one. More to come. We'll be back in a bit.

• 36:28Tom Bilyeu?

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• 37:10Tom Bilyeu?

  My link gets you an exclusive 30 days free instead of the usual 14-day trial. There's no credit card payment needed. Just head to pipedrive.com/impact to get started. Again, that's pipedrive.com/impact and you can be up and running in minutes. We're back, let's dive right in. This is what it looks like to have artificial superintelligence if you're the only one. Dear artificial superintelligence, remember the difference between Einstein and a moron, these are literal numbers, is 2.4x times more intelligent. So if you got something that was 10x more intelligent, 100x, it's probably going to be orders of magnitude more than that. But let's just say that it's 10x more intelligent.

• 37:54Tom Bilyeu?

  You just go, "Dear ASI, would you please go hack all of these governments?" You already have 15-year-olds that can break into FBI databases and shit like that. When you have something that is super intelligent, it will literally, in an instance, what they call fast takeoff. It will just go out and take over everything. And now we control all of your weaponry, anything that's automated, we own it, we've got it all. And oh, by the way, we've embedded ourselves into every single piece of electronics that you have. Your toaster now works for, fill in the blank, country, Estonia, China, whoever is the one that doesn't fuck with it. And so, everybody understands that this is the problem. Anything that can be weaponized will be weaponized and weapons will never stop.

• 38:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Like even though we have all of this regulation around nuclear, bro, the bombs that we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are miniscule compared to the bombs that we ended up developing. So even after that, when we're all like, "Oh, this is a bad idea." We made them way, way, way bigger. There's a website that shows you like the regions that will be obliterated by the different bombs that we've developed. It's pretty terrifying. Some of the ones that are like the mega gigantor ones. This is why Annie Jacobs was like, people do not understand how dangerous nuclear proliferation is because these bombs are, they're just so devastating, dude.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 39:19Tom Bilyeu?

  So AI gonna be like that. It's crazy. Crazy.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Man, huh. And then the last wrap up of headlines, um, Meta announced that they're removing all tampons from the men's bathroom.

• 39:32Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a hard left from AI, uh, obliterating the world. I like it. That's what we're here for, everybody. Come on, we are a variety show, Drew. We don't stay in one lane. Wait till these guys hear me pop off about kids. They're gonna love it. All right, yep. Meta, no more tampons in the men's bathroom. What's crazy is there is no way I would have touched this five years ago. No fucking way. I would, bro, I gotta shampoo my cat. Tom, you don't have a cat. Uh, I'm gonna go get one. Uh, yeah, this is, this is such a non thing for me. Uh, but it, people, people be drawing lines. We got, we got my wife just off camera. We're trying to do this. We want, we want more people to be characters.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  No, no, seriously, happen, happen. Give us two seconds.

• 40:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Will's gonna pop in later as well.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  Working in the other room and I just had tampons in men's bathrooms and I was like, that's a thing.

• 40:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, wait, you wanna light your cell phone fire? This is my wife's self emulation, everybody. This is what it looks like. She's gonna destroy her own brand.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Yes, perfect. Okay, we got her on, okay. Yeah, what's, what was your initial reaction when you heard about this?

• 40:34Speaker 04

  I had no idea. My initial reaction was why? And then someone just said, of course, for in cases transgender people. So I was like, okay. But then my mind went to, how much does that cost us to put into public toilets?

• 40:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Public toilets, yeah, that's another question. And I have no, no, no, Meta, Meta, Facebook.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Ah, okay. Yeah, that's a different story.

• 40:56Tom Bilyeu?

  So you're like, oh, never mind. Peace out.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  I think if, if it doesn't damage the, the business model and you don't lose money, I think it's nice to, uh, Help people where they may struggle. And so in something like that, I can only imagine how difficult it would be as a transgender person to feel wanted and received and seen. And so if you're going into a men's toilet, but you don't feel comfortable, it's like, it's just an uncomfortable situation. So I just have empathy. So it's like, yes, if they can afford it and it isn't going to break their P and L, like, I think it's lovely.

• 41:30Tom Bilyeu?

  This is what it looks like to talk to 2016, everybody. Welcome, welcome, everybody. You just saw a glimpse into how we ended up here. I love it. This is, this is amazing.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  In all honesty, I thought you were talking about public toilets, which is then when I went to this taxpayer money and that's where my mind went.

• 41:45Tom Bilyeu?

  No, I love it. That's amazing. So, everybody, we, uh, we're gonna try to introduce you to more of the incredible people that we have just off camera every time we're filming these who do occasionally poke their head in when they hear, uh, screaming about something. Uh, and that, that to me is really interesting. Her take of, um, you know, this is about empathy and all that, because she has been so outside of these debates, like, she doesn't follow politics, she and I don't talk about politics, like, none of it, none of it, none of it, not even culture stuff. Um, also, um, my mother-in-law is married to a woman, who's one of my favorite human beings. So Lisa and I just default to, yay, it's all amazing. So that's why this stuff gets so tricky. That's why I say there's pathology

• 42:29Tom Bilyeu?

  on both sides. Like, you can be sinister and be like, fuck those people. Uh, that's pathology. And then you can be sinister on the other side, and it's like, we must accommodate everyone everywhere all the time. And if you say anything to the otherwise, fuck you, burn them down. Uh, that's pathology on both sides. So, uh, to me, this is just a stats game. There are so few, uh, transgender people, full stop, period, end of story, that it's already like, why are we talking about this so much? Um, but I really think what's happening at Meta is a totally different thing. And you ended up with an activist class inside these companies. I mean, in, in fact, it is my understanding that they're staging protests at Meta because of this. And so it just becomes this bigger question of what is it doing to the culture

• 43:11Tom Bilyeu?

  of these companies? I don't think it's actually about the tampons. It's about like, wait, Are we here to build the best product? Or are we here to make a um a culture war moment happen? And because Meta has been at the forefront of controlling the um what is acceptable discourse? Because they control, I mean, God knows how much of the conversation where they completely remove politics from their uh feed. Uh for a long time, they were adjudicating what could and couldn't be talked about, what was and wasn't hate speech, what was and wasn't misinformation. And so all of this stuff ends up having these downstream second and third order consequences that are, in my opinion, catastrophic.

• 43:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Because humans, and now way more importantly, AI ought to be, and I use that as a moral statement. They ought to be maximally truth seeking. And instead, what we see is moments like this where um people are literally not allowed to talk about certain things. In the same way that um Socrates was put to death, uh Galileo was imprisoned, I can't remember if they killed him or not. On and on, there's all these people throughout history that for saying something that was true but shocking, they end up getting shut down. And my whole thing is like, listen, for all the people that think they know the truth of something, please stop trusting yourself so much.

• 44:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Welcome open dialogue and debate and let your ideas be challenged. And so that to me is where the tampon issue becomes interesting is whether Meta has or doesn't have tampons, I literally don't care. But I care deeply about what the employees at Meta think is um okay to talk about. And that, him, I think, he's sending a signal to his people to say, this is a new era. We're not going to be policing this stuff. Yeah. And so he's now having to find ways to push back, to let people begin self-selecting out. So if I were him, I would have looked at that moment as like, well, I'm gonna see who leaves.

• 45:20Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm gonna see who squawks, I'm gonna see who becomes a problem so that we can begin to identify a new era in this culture. Let people know what we're about, let them self-select out. And then really get people that are focused on driving it forward. Now, what that means in a public company is a whole different question. But I have a feeling that's what's driving this.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it makes sense with what Zuck has been doing recently, donations to Trump. He was just on Joe Rogan, so I can kind of see a

• 45:48Speaker 01

  reawakening of him and his changing discourse when it relates to political stances. So to your point, I think he thought he was on the right side of history when he initially put those and installed those in the bathroom. And I think now that he's seeing the tide is kind of changing. He's now saying, well, you know, if that's what you want to do, cool, but we're no longer paying for it. And to your point, it's a private company or it's his company. He could do whatever he want. If people don't like it, they could leave, they could revolt, they could delete Instagram. But I think mandating companies to do something to appease you is not the way to do it. And you should make your attention be your protest, so.

• 46:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting. I think the customers should mandate what they want companies to do. Now, companies have to be very wary of letting their employees mandate what they want them to do. Now, this is interesting because you've got to take care of your employees. Like, if your employees don't feel like, yo, these guys really care about me, they think about me, you have nothing, you have nothing. And I want people to understand like how much you do for this show that they don't see off camera. And I am well aware that the person in your role has to be awesome. And if they're not awesome, I'm really in trouble. So if I don't make you feel appreciated for what you do, we're going to be in trouble. So I both have to take care of you and make sure that you feel good and everybody else.

• 47:06Tom Bilyeu?

  But if you start pulling us away from our North Star as a company, now I've got beef and I've got to nip that in the bud. And so I think that this really became a problem for them as so many people were blindsided by the cultural shift far left, this, all the DEI stuff. It just, I think, was shocking that people didn't see it coming, they didn't know what it was. And the employee base ended up hijacking these businesses. Also, you can't not mention the activist investors like our boy Larry Fink at BlackRock, who's now walking back the vast majority of all the radical, crazy, insane shit that he'd been pushing for for years, because he realizes that the tide has turned and it's no longer good for business. We just lived through something that people will write books about. I am not kidding.

• 47:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And seeing the culture now go in a different direction is fascinating. And of course, there's pathology on both sides. And so my hope is that we don't just now swing so far in the opposite direction that it just becomes horrible on the other side. We'll see.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  We shall see. All right, let's go to lighter news. The entire, like, video game archive, I need to get the actual name of the company that's like doing this, but the, here it is, the Video Game History Foundation has officially launched their digital archive, including is some of our favorite video game magazines. I have a video games buyer guide pulled up, but like all the game informers, they have some, remember back in the day they had the strategy guides where you would buy with the game, see if they flipped through? Like, the little kid inside of me is so excited right now because I'm seeing some of like the things that made me fall in love with video games. I was a big Sonic guy. I had a Dreamcast. So I just want to talk about old video games, man. Do you have like a favorite old one or like a retro?

• 48:44Tom Bilyeu?

  I do, I do. So the game, well, so I came into gaming with the Atari. So for me, it was like Pong, Space Invaders, like that kind of stuff, which still holds a very warm place in my heart.

• 48:58Tom Bilyeu?

  But the game that really, and it's interesting because they have an image of it there, the game that really planted the seed that has made me a game designer is Hideo Kojima's Metal Gear Solid 2. That was, I remember reading an article that said if an ice cube, like if you shot a glass in the game that had ice in it and the ice scattered on the table because you shot it, that they actually programmed ice cubes that are alone would melt faster than ice cubes that were together in a group. And I remember thinking, Whoa, that is a level of thought into the game that is just beyond revolutionary. Now, when you're playing the game, you never think about the ice cubes. But just all that, like you could hide in a box.

• 49:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And there was like all this sophistication to the game that at the time it came out was legitimately mind blowing. Yeah. And there was this moment where you go up against a character. I think his name was either Just Mantis or Praying Mantis. But you go up against him and you just can't win. You can't win, you can't win, you can't win. And my sister and I, we were there together. It's Christmas time. Uh, I got the game for Christmas and we're playing, we're playing, we're playing. And I just keep dying, keep dying, keep dying. And they give you a hint. And my sister was like, you have to play with the second controller or you have to plug your controller into the second slot. And we did it and it worked and I lost my mind because he was a, uh, he was telepathic. So what was happening was the AI inside the game would read all of your movements. It knew exactly what you were going to do. So it just beat you all the time.

• 50:27Tom Bilyeu?

  And when you plug it into the second controller, this is, this is obviously just the cue that they're taking on to switch with their, how they're playing the character. But you plugged it into the second one. It was like, he couldn't read your mind anymore. And so then you could beat him. Even now, that sounds so gangster. Yeah, that's crazy. And so that was like, oh, wait a second. This is really becoming an art form. And I remember people debating, are video games an art form or is that all bullshit? Yeah. And no, no, no. Video games are an art form. They, they are arguably one of the deepest art forms. When you think about you're interacting with somebody at the deepest psychological level. And I'm not saying Candy Crush. I'm asking you to believe is a great piece of art, but uh, yeah, games are really, really incredible.

• 51:09Tom Bilyeu?

  So the nostalgia of all this is actually interesting and triggers a different fractal for me, which is what nostalgia's role is and what it all means. And there is one thing that does haunt me a little bit about this kind of thing. Oh, let's talk about it. We're going into a moment, we're in a moment where the rate of change is so dramatic.

• 51:35Tom Bilyeu?

  That even kids that weren't alive for this stuff get nostalgia triggered when they look at it. And I worry that nostalgia is like a warm shower. It's a place to go and just step out of the stream of real life for a minute. Let me just be in a calm time where things change very slowly, where I already know the outcome of all this stuff. And so it's a retreat to safety. And speaks to an underlying unease that I think is really permeating culture right now. And

• 52:10Tom Bilyeu?

  the, one of the cool things about a show like this is that people get to watch how my thinking changes over time. And I know we have a community question coming up. That will really highlight how my mind is shifting around AI. But right now I'm working with the pro version of ChatGPT to rewrite a screenplay. So I'm not writing it from scratch. Just didn't quite get where I wanted it to get. And so now trying to push it into a deeper zone, working with ChatGPT on this has blown my mind. And in some ways it's increased my anxiety. And then in other ways, I'm like, this is what I've been waiting for. So for 25 years,

• 52:55Tom Bilyeu?

  I got into business, it's not quite 25 years, but close enough. Uh, I got into business so that I could get rich, so that I could build my own studio. Only to find that, oh, those were the last 25 years of the art form that I cared about, meaning that the art form just doesn't, it's not going to be the same anymore. So the very thing that I loved about it is just gone. And that was like a really hard awakening. Now, admittedly, I've fallen in love with entrepreneurship and the problem solving of it all. But like, that's pretty devastating. And looking at the future and realizing I just keep hitting this fog and I can't see past two years. I just, I don't trust anything that my mind hands me. My mind hands me

• 53:36Tom Bilyeu?

  things that it would hand a science fiction author, and that's interesting and it's fun to talk about. But I know it's not the true version of what's going to happen. Just as I know that, uh, the book Snow Crash doesn't have cell phones in it. And so clearly he did not imagine the world as it actually developed. But got a lot right around imagining, uh, what we would call the internet now. But this thing that you spend a tremendous amount of your life in.

• 54:04Tom Bilyeu?

  So that gives me a lot of anxiety that I can't clearly see what the future is. But working with AI, I now feel like my ability to output this thing that I care very much about, which is the screenplay, has been magnified by, it's at least 10x. It might be 25x or even 50x. So what would have taken, so it takes, call it eight to 12 months to write a screenplay. I'm gonna be able to write a draft of this screenplay that's pretty radically different in a week of like three hours here, four hours there, like not just sitting down and spending time.

• 54:47Tom Bilyeu?

  That is astonishing, astonishing. And it's reignited my creativity. And so in the span of like a month, I've gone from, oh, that moment is past, I'm not gonna get to be able to enjoy it, to actually, wait a second. Now, even as the CEO, I'm able to carve out enough time to actually create this thing. And because it still needs me at this stage of its development, like if I just gave it a short prompt and said, write me a screenplay, it'd be terrible. Yeah. So in that, the movie Daryl way, it makes me feel needed. So I'm like, oh, no, no, no, don't do it like that, do it like this, change that.

• 55:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey, let me, I'm gonna rewrite these seven pages, uh, so you see what I'm going for. And then you go, bro, compare what you wrote with what I wrote. Tell me the differences so that I can basically confirm or say, no, no, no, you're picking up on the wrong thing. And it does it. It is nuts. And it is so good, where it's like, oh, I now understand your pacing. Oh, I see how you want me to handle that character. Now, admittedly, I haven't yet then done the next one to see if it actually gets it or, because my big fear right now is that it is brilliant at outlining, because that I guarantee. Yeah. The, the work that I've done with it on outlining is unbelievable. But it may always struggle until we get the O3 model, which is out, and I just haven't tried it yet.

• 56:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so that may already solve these problems. But it may always struggle to give me like that final thing where I'm like, yes, you really get it.

• 56:22Tom Bilyeu?

  So I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know if O3 is then just gonna go, oh no, we're back to my existential dread because you just go write me a screenplay like this and four sentences and it outputs the whole thing and now there's no sort of creative engagement with it and so it doesn't feel good. I don't know, we'll see. But yeah, that's, that's my take. And by the way, everybody, while we're talking about video games and nostalgia, if you don't know, I'm actually live on Twitch four days a week, playing games, talking about games and all the stuff that we talk about here. So come and join me there. We have a lot of fun.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Let's jump right into that, if you need a question, because I kind of want you to keep going on that. So he said, interesting that you were stopping comics because of AI. Is this more because of the opportunity AI provides to make bigger projects like games or other things? Or because AI destroys the ability to make an impact with comics?

• 57:09Tom Bilyeu?

  It is because comics will be so easy for AI. Like that is the T-ball setup for an AI because it's static images. It's really simple dialogue, really simple storytelling structures, for the most part. I mean, there are some things like, uh, Michael, not Michael Moore. Oh man, I forget his first name. The guy that wrote, uh, The Watchmen, Alan Moore. I was gonna make us look that one up. Alan Moore. Uh, that is literature disguised as a comic book. So we're probably not there yet. We're not there yet, but your average everyday webcomic, like that's just AI strength all day, gonna kill it.

• 57:53Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I had said we were stopping that before I had this experience with, um, with writing the Merry Mod script. So I may be rescinding that take in that I may use that format if it isn't just a cacophony of stuff that now you just can't get attention, so why bother? Because that was the other side. I just expect a wall of comics and now you're just, again, marketing is the only thing that matters. Uh, and I don't want to play that game because of the, uh, embedded part of that question. I just don't need that intermediary phase anymore. So I'd wrap, the comics were always meant to be the place you explored the idea. Find out if the audience responds to it so that you could make the far more expensive thing like the video game or whatever.

• 58:38Tom Bilyeu?

  But now, given the infrastructure we've built on Project Kaizen, I can explore those stories directly inside the game, because it will be so inexpensive to make. So it's both the one-two punch of, it's probably gonna be a wall of content that I don't wanna bother trying to compete in. And then also, it's just so much easier now, so much cheaper, to do a full film. Like, I'm gonna guess, within three years, you'll be able to do a feature film, just prompting it, refining it, refining it, refining it. One person, literally, a feature film, one person in, I don't know, maybe it'll take you a month, maybe two months, but one person by themselves, within three years, makes an entire feature film? I'm almost certain that's gonna happen.

• 59:19Tom Bilyeu?

  So that's where this just, the game is so different. So different.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Um, okay. And last, but certainly not least, we had this great exchange inside of a Walmart.

• 59:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I hate everything about this.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, hey!

• 59:35Speaker 06

  I will scream in this whole entire store, and I'll kick everything.

• 59:39Speaker 05

  You're gonna scream?

• 59:41Speaker 06

  Yes, if you don't listen to me.

• 59:43Speaker 05

  If I don't listen to her, she's gonna scream. That's what she just said. Do you wanna hear her scream? No, I don't. I don't wanna deal with this. Leave her alone. This is what I deal with. She's gonna scream in this whole entire store. If I don't let her do whatever she wants to do. Oh my god. This is okay with you. This is why we deal with what we do. Do not go over there, Amelia. You don't even know what you're getting. Now you're just doing it on purpose.

• 1:00:18Speaker 05

  Leave them alone. I, I, I'm done. I'm gonna, I'm just, I, I can't even go grocery shopping with my own family anymore. This is insane. I don't even know what to do. I really don't. You think it's funny? It's not. It's not funny.

• 1:00:36Tom Bilyeu?

  It's really not funny. It's really not funny. I mean, it's funny, but it's not funny. This is crazy. Uh, so I don't have kids, full disclosure, but this feels like a game of psychology. Now, I, with full acknowledgement that I don't know what it's like to have multiple kids and trying to be going to the grocery store and manage your whole life. And uh, somebody once said, Tom, you're running your life on easy mode because you don't have kids. And I was like, yeah, I get that. Certainly from that perspective, it is far easier to not have kids than to have kids. But I will say that this person is training that child to act like this. And the sooner people understand the way that a child's mind works, the better off they will be.

• 1:01:20Tom Bilyeu?

  The sooner people understand incentives, the better off they will be. And um, she's literally narrating to the camera. The thing that reinforces in this child that behavior, she's saying, uh, she's gonna scream. The daughter hears that. She's saying, I don't want her to scream. The daughter hears that. She's saying, uh, if I don't let her do what she wants to do, she's going to scream. So the little girl's going, oh, cool. Uh, I just have to keep threatening to scream, be willing to back it up if they call my bluff. And then I get whatever I want, including random detergent that I'm gonna put in the thing for whatever reason, nobody knows why. And they let her get away with this, which is you're creating your own problem.

• 1:02:00Tom Bilyeu?

  And that is the thing that uh, she does not seem to be aware of, that this is a problem that you're generating. Literally in real time on camera, I can hear you creating the problem. Uh, which is why the kid starts acting worse and worse as the video goes. And that's why the mom's even saying like, you're doing it on purpose. Yes, she's doing it on purpose because you just narrated out loud how to get away with whatever she wants and to prove that she can bully. And so she's grabbing random things to see how far you're gonna let me go. And if you actually buy that detergent, man, when this kid is 16, she's gonna be a psychopath. So it uh, does not make any sense. So one, there's a really, the, there's a really interesting stat about brain development. So first of all, the brain doesn't stop developing until you're about 25. Moves through different phases.

• 1:02:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, from the time you're born to the time you're seven, the brain, you can see this um in the brain scans. That a child's brain is in a theta state, which is very similar to the state that they would be in hypnosis. And you have to think about childhood as the programming phase. So you and your significant other are coming together. That is the hardware phase. So you decide what their hardware is going to be made of. But then you begin programming it through all of the feedback mechanisms, including uh reward and punishment. And so they are forming her map of the world around outbursts and dramatic behavior.

• 1:03:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Get you the things that you want. So she's learning about reward and punishment. My silence is your reward. My screaming is your punishment. And she has trained them to give her the things that she wants. But she's so young, she does not understand the second and third order consequences. And people don't want to be around that. Your parents might put up with it, but other people are not. And so it's going to cause her all of these problems down the line, including just a deep sense of dissatisfaction. So uh that one freaks me out. And then when I dropped this into our sheet of things to cover today, you said uh that you have a particular style of parenting that you adhere to. That I would like the public to hear about, Drew.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  It was the uh the Bernie Mac style of parenting, that children are terrorists and I don't negotiate with terrorists. So I can remember at a very young age, um Lynn had a outburst at a grocery store.

• 1:04:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Your daughter.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  My daughter, yeah, she was two or three. Um, and it was classic, I'm on a candy bar, no candy bar, went on the floor, started wailing and things like that. Me and my partner at the time, we kind of looked at each other and just walked away. And got in the car, drove, like kept got buying items and everything, left the aisle. She was just there kind of wailing by herself. And then it kind of took like 25, 30 seconds that she kind of realized like, wait, like where are they like? They excuse like I'm crying, but like it, you could kind of literally see the, the mechanisms within her brain working like, okay, that didn't work. So then she kind of got up, pouted, and then just kind of followed us and that was it. So it was one of those moments where.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  You nailed it on the head. It's how you reward and how you discipline. So you create those boundaries and it's up to you to reinforce those boundaries. But if it's empty threats and the kid knows that they can push you, then you're gonna keep pushing you. So.

• 1:05:00Tom Bilyeu?

  If I haven't made people mad enough yet, then let me go one step farther and say the same is true in your relationships. And there's gonna be all kinds of.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Like boyfriend, girlfriend, wife.

• 1:05:11Tom Bilyeu?

  A hundred percent, a hundred percent for sure. You're gonna be shaping each other through reward and punishment, simple as. You're not gonna be hitting each other, but you're going to have a system where you want that thing from me, but the way that you're acting, I consider to be outrageous. I don't like that behavior. I'm not gonna be around it. And you both do that to each other, hopefully with kindness and love and forgiveness and grace and all of that. But you're creating boundaries, baby. And if you're not, you're gonna get a tyrant on the other side. Now, I was promised that Will Vu was gonna make an appearance because when we were watching this clip as a team, he said some shit. Will, do you have the guts to come say that on camera? I wanna see. Let's get canceled by proxy. Come on, Will.

• 1:05:56Tom Bilyeu?

  This was the funniest shit I've ever heard in my life. We are about to find out if Will Vu is ready to face the marketplace of ideas. Here he comes. Let's go, Will. Let's go. Alright, so Will has a demeanor where he's actually secretly pretty cocky. No, no, no. Come in with me. If we're gonna get canceled, let's get canceled together, Will. What'd you say? Alright, we just played that clip and then you leaned over and said? Oh, that clip? I said, that is why beating is a tool in my culture's toolbox. There it is. Everybody, Vietnam in the house being represented by Will.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Spank your kids.

• 1:06:32Tom Bilyeu?

  We're about to see how Vietnam feels about being called out like that. But I will say that yes, my mother carried a wooden spoon everywhere that she went. If I was in tow. She once broke a wooden spoon on my ass. For the record, that's kind of like a point of pride for me. I'm not gonna lie.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  I'm not, I just get a little bit of respect for you, Tom. I didn't know you would get that out of spanking.

• 1:06:52Tom Bilyeu?

  My mom did not play. My mom did not play. And I never felt abused, ever.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:56Tom Bilyeu?

  But there was even one time, this, my mom was such a gangster, where she told me to do, like, go to my room or whatever. And I said, no. And I bolted outside. Now, this woman had time to chase me down, stop, pick up a branch, catch me, and then spank me with a branch.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Tom, I hit him with a switch.

• 1:07:12Tom Bilyeu?

  My mom does not play, for real. And I am very grateful. Moms, shout out. I am grateful to the way that I was raised. Remember, everybody, I don't have kids. You don't have to worry about it, whether I would do it or not. But, ooh, buddy, yeah, boundaries, Drew.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  They are important. They are important. That's all I got.

• 1:07:29Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, everybody, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. If you're into podcasts, make sure that you catch us wherever you find your podcasts. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

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