Neuroscientist Dr. Julia Mossbridge: Was I a CIA Experiment? Remote Viewing, Missing Memories, and the Science of Psychic Abilities

What if neurodivergence, intuition, and psychic ability are all connected, and we’ve been misunderstanding them this entire time? In this mind-expanding episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Dr. Julia Mossbridge—cognitive neuroscientist, author of Have a Nice Disclosure!, and Human Potential Research Lead for The Telepathy Tapes—returns to the studio to pull back the curtain on the brain, consciousness, and humanity’s untapped abilities. Dr. Mossbridge reveals what neurodivergence actually looks like in the brain (and why individual lived experience matters more than labels), her groundbreaking view that there’s no true distinction between unconscious processing of local information and non-local information, why information is not the same as matter or energy (and why that changes everything), and what kinds of information we can access non-locally through remote viewing. She also breaks down: - Tips anyone can use to strengthen intuition, psychic perception, and precognition - Why nonspeakers may lead the next love revolution, and what their abilities are teaching us about consciousness - How to safely explore non-local awareness without losing grounding - Hidden positives & real drawbacks of diagnostic labels (and how they can both empower and limit us) - Cognitive drain we’re all experiencing from modern society, and why so many people feel chronically overwhelmed - Why most people don’t understand how they operate until they revisit their childhood and caregiver relationships - How identifying your special abilities offers the clearest window into your internal world - Brain-based factors that affect our ability to filter environmental and non-local input - True definition of unconditional love—and why it’s a functional state, not a feeling Dr. Julia also opens up about deeply mysterious chapters of her life, including: - Her experiences in a gifted childhood program she believes she doesn’t fully remember - Possible ulterior motives of the program’s administrators - Potential ties to research on radiation exposure and radio waves - What it’s been like to publicly acknowledge extrasensory abilities as a respected academic - When she first realized she had psychic abilities, and how those abilities evolved over time PLUS... Julia guides Mayim through a live remote viewing exercise, demonstrating how unconditional love can be used as a signal to access information from the future, in real time. This episode challenges neuroscience, psychology, and everything we think we know about the limits of the human mind. TUNE IN to MBB to change how you see yourself, your brain, and reality itself! Take your food to the next level with Graza Olive Oil. Visit https://partners.graza.co/BREAKERS and use promo code BREAKERS today for 10% off your first order! Dr. Julia Mossbridge’s latest book, have a nice disclosure!: ⁠https://www.amazon.com/have-nice-disclosure-Julia-Mossbridge/dp/B0G3PKGGSM/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0 or theinspiracy.love Julia's Writings: https://theinspiracy.love/ Julia's nonprofit: https://loveandtime.org Julia's RV team: https://intuitiveforecasting.com Inside The Power We Hold: https://share.google/TY9v2AhHlmgMUVsgI The Bridge Curriculum to Support Nonspeakers: https://bridgetothriving.org/ Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  How does one change things in the universe using one's conscious mind?

• 0:04Mayim Bialik?

  You say an informational-only dimension exists outside of space and time?

• 0:10Speaker 00

  People ask me a lot about precognition and remote viewing.

• 0:13Mayim Bialik?

  What's the difference between remote viewing and thinking?

• 0:16Speaker 00

  If you're a gifted remote viewer and you're doing remote viewing for a defense contractor or intelligence agency, you're doing it because they've already used the analytic tools at their disposal and they know what is predicted by the past. You're doing remote viewing because they want to find out if their prediction is any different from what is actually going to happen.

• 0:34Mayim Bialik?

  Neuroscientist Dr. Julia Mossbridge is a lead researcher for the telepathy tapes. She specializes in precognitive dreams, psi phenomenon, and remote viewing. She's here today to disclose the secrets that she's kept for decades.

• 0:49Speaker 00

  Back in 1981, 1982, they were testing lots of kids and then I was one of the single doubt. I had no behavior issues, but I had a counselor for some reason. I would dread walking to her office. As soon as I closed the door, I don't remember a single thing that ever happened.

• 1:02Jonathan Cohen?

  Tell us about the pink drink.

• 1:03Speaker 00

  I don't know if that pink drink was an amnesic or if it was mixed with some kind of iodine to help protect us from radiation, or if a little bit of radiation could cause psychic capacities.

• 1:12Mayim Bialik?

  It's also possible that whatever was happening, you did not want to remember.

• 1:17Speaker 00

  Intelligence and defense in the US realized they needed to study the effects from all the nuclear testing, from computer screens, cell phones.

• 1:25Jonathan Cohen?

  Is radiation creating psychic people?

• 1:27Speaker 00

  There's two things we need to do before the end of this podcast. One is to talk about what I'm doing with the non-speaking autistic students that I've been studying, but two, we need to get your target for your remote viewing.

• 1:44Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Mayim Viallak.

• 1:45Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:46Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our breakdown.

• 1:49Jonathan Cohen?

  I just give up.

• 1:51Mayim Bialik?

  We're gonna start this episode with us giving up. Why? We had a really, really unique opportunity to have a guest that we've previously had on visit us in person. And the conversation goes from neurodivergence to special abilities to...

• 2:11Jonathan Cohen?

  My am learning how to remote view.

• 2:14Mayim Bialik?

  How love is the universal answer to really what ails us.

• 2:21Jonathan Cohen?

  And if that sounds flaky to you, we give a practical explanation of how to incorporate this into your specific life to change your circumstances.

• 2:30Mayim Bialik?

  She's speaking for the very first time about a series of experiments, some of which she remembers and some of which she mysteriously does not remember, that may have been a government attempt to understand the impacts of certain chemicals on the human nervous system. She's gonna talk for the first time with us about why she chose to disclose this and what it means for all of us and our safety.

• 2:51Jonathan Cohen?

  This episode explores how to increase your own intuitive ability if you can actually start to practice remote viewing and what constitutes a precognitive dream you may be having them.

• 3:04Mayim Bialik?

  We also are gonna talk about the telepathy tapes. Who's the person who can talk about all these things? I will tell you right now, it is neuroscientist Dr. Julia Mossbridge. She's written a very, very, in her own words, weird and intriguing book called Have a Nice Disclosure. She's a cognitive neuroscientist, an author, and educator. She studies in particular exceptional human performance. We've spoken to her about precognitive dreams, about premonitions. She's the human potential research lead for the telepathy tapes and an affiliate professor in the Department of Biophysics and Physics at the University of San Diego. She's also the founder of the nonprofit, The Institute for Love and Time, and a really,

• 3:44Mayim Bialik?

  really exceptional mind and someone who balances the right brain, the left brain, and everything literally in between. We're so excited to have her in person, welcome in person to the Breakdown, Julia. Break it down. We consider you a friend of the podcast and a friend of kind of all things in our universe, and having you physically in our universe is really very special.

• 4:09Speaker 00

  I feel the same way. I'm really glad to be here.

• 4:11Mayim Bialik?

  I just found out that the last time we spoke... Who did you think I was?

• 4:16Speaker 00

  I recognized you, so I assumed when you told me that you were in the vagina monologues.

• 4:22Mayim Bialik?

  That's not usually what I lead with.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  In Chicago, I was like, oh, my lesbian moms took me to go see the vagina monologues. I must have recognized you from that because it was quite a moment where these

• 4:33Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 4:34Speaker 00

  like vaginas were talking.

• 4:35Mayim Bialik?

  Yes, well.

• 4:36Speaker 00

  And you were one of the vaginas.

• 4:37Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, I didn't even know that she was in that, so that's a deep cut.

• 4:40Mayim Bialik?

  It's a play and there are three women on stage and I did a run of this play. So that was in Chicago, yes.

• 4:47Speaker 00

  Right, so I'm like, wow, I can't believe I remembered that because I have such a bad memory for faces that I was like, wow, I'm very impressed. Somehow that must have made a huge impression on me because I knew that you seemed so familiar. And then after I was done talking with you and I told my husband about my day and he's like, what did you do today? And I said, I had this conversation with this woman, Mayim Bialik. And she's like, oh, you mean like from Big Bang Theory? And I was like, oh, she was in Big Bang Theory? Because I'm so bad with faces. I'm just not good with that. I look at people's energy.

• 5:18Mayim Bialik?

  My voice? You didn't think like, that sounds like that lady who was on The Big Bang Theory for nine years.

• 5:23Speaker 00

  I knew that I knew you and you're familiar, but your way of being, I mean, like actually more a neuroscientist, like kind of an amazing actress. Your way of being on that show wasn't, it wasn't just being yourself.

• 5:35Jonathan Cohen?

  You have a lot less hand and arm movement as Amy than you do as Mayim.

• 5:39Mayim Bialik?

  I will sometimes be in the supermarket and someone will come from the next aisle and be like, I heard your voice and I knew that you're Amy Farrah Fowler. So I was filming this movie, this Jim Jarmusch movie called Father, Mother, Sister, Brother, how they recommend people see it. But I was filming in a very small town in New Jersey and it was a part of New Jersey that might as well not be New Jersey. Like when you think of New Jersey, things like, hey, forget about it. That was not what was happening. I was in a very lovely, you know, log cabin on a frozen lake. It's a one stoplight town and I stayed there for the duration of the filming and they would shuttle us to, you know, wherever we were working that, that day. But, um, you know, I had like my local market. It was literally one intersection, this town.

• 6:23Mayim Bialik?

  So I had the supermarket and I had the Thai place I went to and there was a pizza place, but they didn't have gluten free, whatever. There was a Walgreens. And you know, sometimes when you're like living somewhere for six weeks, you need makeup remover, you need cotton balls, whatever. So I go there and this woman behind the Counter-recognized me, but this is the way she recognized me. In a very small voice, she looked right at me and she said, "Amy."

• 6:52Mayim Bialik?

  And it was not, it was not sexual, but it was an intimate whisper. And I didn't know what to say and I just said, "Yes." And then I bought my cotton balls and I left, but she looked very startled.

• 7:04Jonathan Cohen?

  If you're listening and you happen to see my "am," I think that is the new greeting.

• 7:09Mayim Bialik?

  But also just the marvels of the English language, that all it takes, right? Is a slight inflection to communicate, "Are you the person who played Amy on that TV show?"

• 7:19Speaker 00

  See, I'm such the opposite of this. So because I have a really crappy ability to recognize people's faces, I don't, I don't get starstruck, ever.

• 7:26Jonathan Cohen?

  Right before neurodivergence, I'm gonna tell a story that happened to me recently. I was, I don't know, at least 75 feet away from someone who had their back to me. And they were sitting at a coffee shop. And this person never crosses my mind randomly. But I look at this person, the slouch of their shoulders, the curve of the back of their head, and I turned to my son, I said,

• 7:50Mayim Bialik?

  That's very specific.

• 7:52Jonathan Cohen?

  "That's John Malkovich."

• 7:55Jonathan Cohen?

  And like, he's not someone you see around. We get closer, it turns around, it's John Malkovich, sitting in a coff- like, on a patio. And I'm just like, just kinda a little shocked, a little struck. I'm more struck that I clocked the back of his head and the roundness of his shoulders.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  I'm impressed you remembered his name. I would've been like, "Oh, that's the guy, that's the guy who does the thing." But this is neurodivergence. What we're talking about right now is neurodivergence. Like, I really do have this thing where I'm really friendly to people, because it's possible I know them. And so I'm just like, "Hey, how's it going?" Because they could maybe not be a stranger, because maybe I don't remember their face.

• 8:33Jonathan Cohen?

  I had an interaction. I went to get a cup of coffee, and I had like a big mug of coffee, and Archie had climbed into the front seat. And he's like muddy from the park, so I'm annoyed. And I put the coffee on the top of the car, and I'm like luring Archie into the backseat. And then I get into the, my, my driver's seat, and I'm about to drive away, and this guy who I know, we've had him on the podcast, comes running towards me. I'm like, "Oh, he's excited to see me." It turns out that my coffee is on the top of the car, and he's like saving it. And I'm starting to interact with him in a very friendly way, because I'm excited to see him. It's clear to me after that interaction, he has no idea who I am.

• 9:09Speaker 00

  And now you know what he would do if a stranger had coffee on their roof and was driving away, right? It's the test of the good Samaritan.

• 9:14Mayim Bialik?

  Neurodivergence is one of those things that feels a little bit like, you know, the very famous description of pornography. It's kind of hard to pin down, but you know it when you see it, right? One of my concerns and one of the things that we've talked about here is if everyone is neurodivergent, then no one is neurodivergent in terms of, there's this notion when we're kids of like, you're special, you're different, right? To what level do we want to be different? To what level do we identify as being different? And then to what level do we all realize that if everyone is slightly different, what is the nomenclature that we're trying to use?

• 9:50Speaker 00

  So, as you know, there's no such thing as a neurotypical brain. Like, what actual brain are you pointing to? It would have to be one brain, because brains are so different between, there's so many inter-individual differences between people. How different brains process things. So, if you're saying someone is neurotypical, there has to be like, one person who's neurotypical.

• 10:10Mayim Bialik?

  What a lot of kind of morphological studies do, though, is they take a statistical representation of brains, and they kind of massage them together. And this is, you know, when I worked in neuroimaging, this is what we did. If we're looking at, you know, an autistic brain versus a non-autistic brain, I'll just use really simple terms. What we'd say is statistically speaking, if we have, let's say, an encyclopedia of a thousand brains that are not autistic, we are more likely to see X, Y, Z, and A, B, you know, through X, Y, and Z. We're more likely to see these things, and so what can we isolate?

• 10:47Speaker 00

  How useful are those studies? So, people do those studies. They're trying to get rid of those inter-individual differences, or massage them out by having either a large population, or people who they think are well-selected to be very similar. And then the conclusions from those studies inevitably end up being, we saw this area light up, and this area didn't light up as much as in this other control group among this population. And then you're like, oh, okay. And then you're back where you started. So, it just, it feels to me like those studies are not actually so helpful. It's almost like the new phrenology. You know, in the old days, the map of the head and like, different areas. Oh, you must be really, you know, visual if the back of your head is really big, where the visual cortex is. But it feels like that's all you get.

• 11:33Speaker 00

  They don't go very far in helping explain what is the reality of inter-individual differences. When you look at actual behavior and perceptions of people, what you end up getting is this incredible mix. And so when I'm talking about pointing to neurotypical, I mean, what is the brain of the person who behaves and perceives in some kind of typical fashion that we want to sort of canonize as this is the way a normal brain is?

• 11:59Mayim Bialik?

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• 13:30Mayim Bialik?

  For all of these things, and I think part of, you know, what the telepathy tapes has taught us, is that individual stories matter, individual experiences matter, the, you know, the variety of near-death experiences we've spoken about here, the variety of transcendentals, psychedelic experiences that we've had, you know, those provide information, but I do think that there's something very interesting, especially among young people, with a desire to have a label, and the irony is if you're all labeling yourselves different, then you're all the same different. And when my kids were little and lots of young kids were having these like really shaggy, long hairdos, we kept giving our kids these like conservative,

• 14:15Mayim Bialik?

  like John F. Kennedy haircuts, which they seemed to like, and I remembered thinking, like, will there be some revolution where all these shaggy-haired, you know, rough-again kids will all have haircuts like my, you know, JFK children? But the idea was by trying to be so different, there is often this kind of ricochet back. We're not seeing that in conversations around neurodiversity, though. I think we're seeing more and more levels, right, of difference, all these overlapping layers of trauma, of, you know, all these things.

• 14:51Speaker 00

  I'm excited about that, partly because, like you, I'm a Gen Xer. The Gen X world, we sort of said, like, labels are horrible. That's putting yourself in a prison, and just be free and do your thing. But labels end up being useful, so there's a tension here in the generations, because labels end up being useful when you can use them to be free. In other words, there's so many different labels that it's like saying, my label is Julia.

• 15:18Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 15:18Speaker 00

  And your label is Mayim, and your label is Jonathan, and that's where I think the neurodiversity movement is headed. And then, in terms of neurodivergence, people tend to use that as code for like, extreme neurodiversity, or autism often. And the concern there is, people who need...

• 15:35Speaker 00

  Resources because not only is are they neurodiverse, they're functioning differently in a way that society does not support. If you can't take care of yourself so that you can hold down a job, these are things that society sort of says, whoops, that's a big problem.

• 15:51Mayim Bialik?

  If you can't write like other kids write.

• 15:53Speaker 00

  Anything that makes it hard for the way society is working now to to achieve in that independently. There's a big, you know, in the Western world where like independence, if you can't be independent, then that there you need more resources. And if you end up taking away those resources by saying everyone is different. And, you know, we're all just a little different.

• 16:14Jonathan Cohen?

  If you separate those people who need a label or diagnosis to qualify for help, let's just remove that for a second. What we're starting to see more and more is everyone saying, everyone is a little bit different and I want to understand what my difference is. What is my collection of skills, abilities, deficits, so that I can identify as whatever I am?

• 16:37Speaker 00

  Right, and when you're doing that, you're comparing yourself to some kind of a norm. And my question is, we need to talk about what that norm is because that norm may not be a well functioning person.

• 16:50Jonathan Cohen?

  I would agree with that because a lot of the typical people I see have like other deficits that are just not prioritized as things that society has identified as things that they should be able to do.

• 17:02Mayim Bialik?

  I think everything you're saying is valid. It makes a lot of sense. There was a report about incoming first year students to colleges. And one, I will not name it, one very, very prestigious university had 40% of the incoming class claiming they needed extra time and they need a lot of accommodations. Now, that may in fact be true. However, what happens, and this is what's happening in high schools, and then it's happening in junior highs, and it's happening in elementary schools, and it's even happening. In preschool, the year that many of us weren't even raised to think you had to be in school, is that we keep kind of moving the bar so that we keep sort of redefining what

• 17:44Mayim Bialik?

  accommodations look like. And of course, there's going to be things that fall through the cracks. And, you know, in many cases, I don't know, maybe kids need mental health support, maybe they need lifestyle tips, maybe, you know, I mean, I hate to say it, but like caffeine intake, ultra-processed food intake.

• 18:05Speaker 00

  I completely agree. And I, and I think that you might be mis-hearing what we're both saying, or at least what I'm saying, probably what we're both saying, which is, which is that when you're comparing, when you're saying I'm neurodiverse, I'm different from the norm, the neurotypical, if we don't describe what neurotypical is, then everyone's going to say that. But if neurotypical is like, guess what, if you're neurotypical, you're, you're going to not be able to focus when you're drinking, you know, a lot of caffeine and sugar, you're not, and if you're on your phone all the time, your attention span's going to go down. Like, we don't talk about the cognitive drain that our society creates

• 18:46Speaker 00

  by just being our society and the technology, processed foods, all that stuff. You could be different from the neurotypical in a way that's like really helpful and powerful.

• 18:56Mayim Bialik?

  Well, and also Jonathan sometimes makes me feel bad for the fact that like I read spell, take tests in the time allotted. When I'm given a task, I do it. And he's like, oh, it's so conformist.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Okay, that's super interesting. I'm the same way, but I like, we're both really good students.

• 19:14Jonathan Cohen?

  In her words, "I think quirky nerds help the world go around." They keep all the trains on the tracks, they think about things, they help take big ideas and ground them into actionable tasks.

• 19:28Mayim Bialik?

  We take tests in an hour.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  We can also do things, like someone says this needs to be done, and we go, oh, okay, we'll do the thing.

• 19:35Jonathan Cohen?

  Super, super helpful.

• 19:37Mayim Bialik?

  Instead of like, what if we created a new way to say the word "thing"?

• 19:41Jonathan Cohen?

  The power that she has in her quirky nerd-dom, being so tied to the exact word, makes it difficult for her to understand some things that are seemingly obvious to people who operate with a little bit more abstraction.

• 19:58Mayim Bialik?

  So who's neurodivergent, though?

• 20:00Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, it's just a different side of a spectrum, and both of those skills are highly valuable. And when we know that about each other,

• 20:07Mayim Bialik?

  Correct.

• 20:08Jonathan Cohen?

  utilizing them together.

• 20:10Mayim Bialik?

  And also, there's things about me that seem very, very special needs, that you're like, how do you even function?

• 20:16Speaker 00

  I mean, every single person who got a PhD survived a lot. And there's abuse, and there's all sorts of crap, like people taking you for granted, and blah. So you survived a lot. Other people go through things, and they survive a lot. They get PhD-level experience in whatever they're doing. And so, the problem I have with saying everyone's neurodivergent is that it's just the same thing as saying everyone has special capacities. Why don't we look at this in an extremely positive way? And say, each person has gifts. Each person's cognition is different. Each person can fill in a hole or a blank in the society where their own needs are actually celebrated because they're exactly what's needed in that moment. The person who thinks slowly and processes slowly

• 21:01Speaker 00

  is very helpful when there's a bunch of people running around saying, "We have to do this right now." And then someone's saying, like, "Give me 24 hours, and I will tell you the big problem with this." On a team, you need all those people. So I kind of think we need to think about it. Like, what are your gifts? Your cool abilities, as Vince Surf would call them.

• 21:19Jonathan Cohen?

  And how do you match those and understand those? And how do you understand the other people around you so that you're not constantly saying that they're wrong? How we perceive information, what our skillsets are, impact how we interact, both with other people, but also with ourselves. And the book that you've recently written talks about this notion of disclosure, but also disclosure to oneself.

• 21:45Speaker 00

  Big deal.

• 21:46Jonathan Cohen?

  So when I heard that, I thought a lot about revelations I've had. And it could be like, oh my God, I never realized this about myself, whatever that might be. How much of that I already knew, but I had compartmentalized or blocked off from my conscious awareness, like it sounds like we are all on a process of uncovering information about ourselves that we may already know about.

• 22:14Speaker 00

  Or we may not, and both of those things are true. Yeah. And so it's this discovery process, not just what's in the unconscious mind, but what's in the conscious mind, but isn't framed in a way that you can understand. You know, to understand something, you really, I love the word understand, because you literally have to kind of be a foundation. You have to stand under the piece of knowledge and be like, wait a minute, where does this fit? Almost like you're fitting a brick into a keystone, into a building, you know? And so to understand these parts of ourselves, we need to fit them in some framework where we say, oh, I see this ties to this and this ties to that. Otherwise, they're kind of just free floating things. And as I write about in the book, and we can talk about whenever you want to talk about,

• 22:59Speaker 00

  there are pieces of my life that I did not understand until going through the process of writing the book and talking to people about the process of disclosure. And then I was like, oh, wait a minute. Now I understand some things about myself. Turns out the book was working on me, which is when you know, you've actually written something useful because it had an impact on you, you know?

• 23:20Jonathan Cohen?

  Where I see a lot of this type of disclosure, personal disclosure happening is when people are trying to understand the relationship with their parents, right? They're like, oh, this happened in my childhood and I really never, I had a bad feeling about this. And I'm not talking about outright abuse, although it may include that, but it may just be like a dynamic or an interaction. Or, you know, my mom or dad always interacted with me in this particular way. And they'll say that and they'll have it in their knowledge. But then one day they'll be like, oh, my God, I didn't realize that that pattern of conversation has made me, you know, defensive in this particular way and interact with everyone around me in this other way. And so like, they're aware of it, but when you talk about understanding it,

• 24:02Jonathan Cohen?

  it's like it integrates for them in a totally different way all of a sudden. And it changes their understanding of it.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  And it changes your behavior. So like an example from growing up is really simple example. My mom. Grew up in a family of eight people with a dad who was itinerant and who would come and go. And she had two disabled siblings and it was a rough situation, very poor family. No one was college educated. And so, um, one experience that I had as a child growing up is we would go to restaurants. They would never have enough food, my mom. So we would go to restaurants and my mother was so intensely focused on the food. And so intensely focused on the service because she wanted people to bring food to her. You know, like this was the deal. She had enough money now that people would bring food to her and it better be, the soup better be piping hot. Everything better, it better be exactly right because.

• 24:54Speaker 00

  And my role was to like be nice to the waitress because holy crap, my mom's like a monster. She's like, this isn't hot and da, da, da, da. And so I'd be like, oh, hi, you know, it's sort of just like make nice, make nice, make nice. Because I'm sort of embarrassed, but also like that's what I have to do. And when I realized as an adult, maybe in my thirties or forties, it took before I said, oh, I'm a make nicer. I cover over people's sort of bad behavior and make sure that everything's okay. And I don't want to do that anymore.

• 25:23Mayim Bialik?

  Peacemaker, yeah.

• 25:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, the peacemaker thing, which ends up creating horrible boundaries where you decide it's your job to. There's a wonderful book called The Super Helper Syndrome. And it's your job to fix all the things because people that you can't control, who you rely on for your life are damaging things.

• 25:42Mayim Bialik?

  That's the Enneagram nine for those Enneagram fans out there.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  By the way, I am an Enneagram nine.

• 25:48Jonathan Cohen?

  This leads us to a theme on the podcast, which is, does that type of upbringing make you highly observant to your surroundings? Because you have a coping mechanism. Is that all it is? Or is it that you do that and that opens you up to the ability to have extrasensory experience?

• 26:12Speaker 00

  There's no difference between those two things.

• 26:14Jonathan Cohen?

  So there's, you know, some people say align, right? They're like, oh, we talk a lot about intuition. We talk a lot about consciousness outside of the brain. We talk a lot about developing premonitions, which we spoke about in our last episode. We talk about the CIA as it relates to building, um, experiments to develop extrasensory abilities and even apply them to law enforcement. And some people are like. Actually, none of that is real. All it is is just being slightly more aware of people's tics or tendencies because you have this protective streak. How do you parse those two things out?

• 26:52Mayim Bialik?

  Also, and please clarify, when you say there is no distinction between those, are you saying there's no distinction for you? Or in general, there are no distinctions between those?

• 27:01Speaker 00

  I'm saying for me, there's no distinction between unconscious processing of information that comes in and unconscious processing of information that comes in from non-local sources. So it's all unconscious processing of information that comes in. I also believe that, in fact, everyone has unconscious processing of information that's local. So things that you hear in the environment that you just unconsciously suppress, things that you see in the environment that you unconsciously suppress. And your brain is doing, you know, something like 3% or less of what we're processing actually comes to consciousness. So your brain's doing that all the time, making decisions about what to do, what to say, etc., based on all these unconscious cues. And we don't have to think about psychic stuff for any of that stuff.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  That's just traditional neuroscience and psychology, right? And one of the pieces, we know, I mean, at least I know, from the experiments I've done and from literature I've read from other people, unless everyone else is lying, I know I'm not lying, that you get information also in that same way that comes from non-local sources. By non-local sources, I mean sources distant in space or time, in the way past and the way future, or, you know, way over there.

• 28:11Mayim Bialik?

  We all are aware of the space that we are in, in theory, right? We're in this sort of plane of, you know, three dimensions, right? It goes this way and that way and this way. And then there's a passage of time that we are also aware of, right? We're having this conversation in a very, very small piece of time. If you expand out, though, time is this other dimension that gets added to space and time. But what you talk about is an informational-only dimension that exists outside of space and time. And what you say is that information is not equivalent to matter or energy, though matter and energy can carry it. This information doesn't have to play by spacetime rules.

• 28:54Mayim Bialik?

  It probably has its own dimension with its own rules. And these intersect with spacetime rules. So what is this informational dimension? Can we grok it? You know, can we fathom it? Can we understand it? Or does it live in a sort of, you know, out there space?

• 29:13Speaker 00

  I'm interested that I use the word informational dimension. I'm ambivalent about the word dimension, but I think I use it there just to communicate something. So dimension makes a lot of sense when you're thinking about space. Even when you get to time, it starts to not make sense. Because in a dimension, you can go in both directions. Right now in time, you know, some people generally experience moving in one direction. But, you know, in physics, we actually have time reversibility. And so maybe you can get both directions there.

• 29:40Mayim Bialik?

  And anyone who's had a flashback, anyone who's done EMDR knows that there is a way to place yourself in a, in a different time that's different than just remembering.

• 29:50Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, and that's mental time travel. And I call it time travel therapy. And I have this organization, the Institute for Eleven Time, that does that work. And we talked about that last time I was here. But in terms of this information dimension, again, let's just say there's information space that intersects with spacetime. The rules of it are different because it's not a dimension. It doesn't have the spatial extent. It doesn't have any time related. If you could think about it as a bunch of ones and zeros, sort of metaphorically, although they're not like on paper or they're not in a computer because that's tied to matter and energy. When they intersect with spacetime, now they're tied to matter and energy and we play with them with a computer, et cetera. But the idea is that that exists foundationally to the universe.

• 30:36Speaker 00

  So spacetime is built out of information.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  The ones and zeros are the substrate.

• 30:44Mayim Bialik?

  When we talk about consciousness being foundational and fundamental, right? That most of us think like, oh, the Big Bang happened at some point, not the show thing. And when the Big Bang happened, like, all of matter as we know it was created, and then evolution started happening, and here we are, right? That's like the simplest story. But what we're talking about is that there's some sort of dimension that pre-existed, right? That even pre-existed that, and, you know, there are mystical traditions, the Kabbalah being one of them. There are mystical traditions that talk about, like, you know, even if you read the first chapter of the Old Testament, right? And I'm not saying that the-

• 31:25Speaker 00

  In the beginning was the word.

• 31:27Mayim Bialik?

  Correct, correct. So there's words before matter, and there's nothingness before somethingness, and it's void, right? There's like a null. So the idea is not that, like, the Bible is true. That's not my point. What I'm saying is that for thousands of years, there have been traditions of understanding that there is something before the word something. There's mind, and that the universe has a larger consciousness, for lack of a better word, that generates the probabilistic situation out of which matter then arises.

• 32:00Speaker 00

  Beautiful way of putting it. And, and the way I think of it is the mom of the universe is the mind.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  And also, the mom of the universe is of space-time is time, not space.

• 32:12Mayim Bialik?

  The dad comes home at 5 o'clock and needs his drink.

• 32:14Speaker 00

  And that's the space.

• 32:17Jonathan Cohen?

  You said people only process 3% consciously of what they're experiencing.

• 32:23Mayim Bialik?

  The brain is a processor, and it's mostly using all of its capabilities to filter, and it's constantly experiencing the universe. It's, you know, the number of, like, people think of like, oh, not a lot of people, but if you want to think about, like, oh, there's the brain, and there's the spinal cord, and then there's all my organs, and then here's my body, right? And then there's my mind. What's actually happening is that the brain was designed with-

• 32:51Mayim Bialik?

  Fibers that run throughout your entire body that are constantly communicating information about, should you fall off this chair right now? So I think what Julia was trying to indicate is that a very small percentage of what's going on in the processor is actually communicated and experienced.

• 33:09Speaker 00

  It's almost like your conscious experience is a movie that you're watching, that your brain has set up. It's found the actors, it's directed it, it's edited it, it's put it out there, and then you're like, wow, this happened to me.

• 33:20Jonathan Cohen?

  But this is perfect, right? Because then the question goes to, if I do not like the movie that is being played, what are the options for me to change said movie?

• 33:31Speaker 00

  Yes, okay, so let's talk about that. So I wrote this article about, it's called 10 Questions for People Who Create Minds, and it's about for people who make AI. Because they're creating minds, potentially, if they're working with the informational substrate of the universe, they're playing with that without knowing it, right? And so the questions are about, like, how do you understand the subconscious? How do you understand the relationship between the conscious mind and the unconscious mind? The key question to answer what you have just asked is, how does one change things in the universe using one's conscious mind? Because we have this experience that if we want to pick up this glass of water, most of the time are successful. We can't always control it. Sometimes we're not successful,

• 34:16Speaker 00

  and we slowly bring it to our lips, you know? And drink. And that if everything goes well, we're good. And most of the time, for most people who don't have apraxia, for instance, everything will go well. So what do you do? What are you doing with your conscious mind? Is it capable of even doing anything? Or is that part of the movie too?

• 34:34Jonathan Cohen?

  Because I don't want to increase my awareness of the part of me that is processing not falling off the chair. That's not helpful.

• 34:42Mayim Bialik?

  But if we want to loop this also back to the conversation about neurodivergence, many people who fall somewhere on the spectrum of neurodivergence often report an inability to filter out things that other brains are filtering out. So if we want to talk about typical and neurotypical, right? Then we want to say, when we're playing pickleball, and I get hit by the ball, and I start shaking and crying, and I don't know why, I would like to have a brain that does not react that way when hit by a pickleball.

• 35:08Jonathan Cohen?

  For context, for people who don't...

• 35:12Jonathan Cohen?

  Weren't on the pickleball court. She got hit in her thumb, which got hurt in a car accident, which she nearly lost that digit. So I would suppose that she time-traveled back to the injury of almost losing that digit and couldn't pull herself back into the current timeline.

• 35:30Mayim Bialik?

  When we're interacting in the world, trauma can interfere with your ability to filter. ADHD can change your ability to filter. Autism can change your ability to filter. And if you examine what our culture has typically locked away, right? Which is people who are mentally ill, especially people with schizophrenia, people who are schizoaffective. And we spoke to Sam Knight with the Premonitions Bureau. There have been times in history where people have said, maybe the things that people are saying when we lock them up might actually have substance. What are they experiencing because they cannot filter?

• 36:07Speaker 00

  Which all comes to when you're working with your own mind. And this is really what we have to work with. This is our tool for everything, is our own minds. There's a couple of rules. And one of them is you work with what you've got. And you understand what you've got. And that little 3% or whatever percent that's conscious, what you know, and that's what you can play with. And some things over time will become conscious and some things will sink back down into unconsciousness. And that will be hopefully for your benefit. And you can work with what you've got. And the way to work with that, the big rule there, is love, rather than judgment. And I don't care if you're autistic. I don't care if you're bipolar, schizoaffective, schizophrenic.

• 36:52Speaker 00

  Love, accessing universal love, almost thinking of it as a force in the universe, and then experiencing the unconditional love that comes from that, really helps you work with whatever you've got.

• 37:03Jonathan Cohen?

  So two ends of the spectrum are those people who are overwhelmed with opening of the filter, and those people who have the filter so tight that they're not experiencing anything beyond what the filter is providing.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 37:17Jonathan Cohen?

  And both ends of the spectrum can be adjusted.

• 37:20Speaker 00

  And you don't have much control over it. That's why it's tricky. So when we get into this, like... Oh, how can we harness this? It's always like, how can we harness it? It's like, when you try to harness something, you're forgetting that most of everything you're seeing in the conscious world is a movie that's already been made. How do you convince the characters to do something different in the movie? You're watching the movie. They can't hear you. And so, and so it's like, it's a tricky... So that's one of these questions for people who create AI. It's also a question for anyone who works in psychology is, how do you use your consciousness to interact with the information substrate to change something?

• 38:01Mayim Bialik?

  There's a chapter called "Coping Tools", and I really like this chapter because it talks about all the things that we do to try and function, which, you know, you say you lose yourself in the internet, or music, or booze, or drugs, or sex, or food. You make dumb choices, right? And when you talk about the way to change, the way to step out of some of these coping tools that you think are helping you, but part of you knows that they're not. It often leads you to trouble, to complexity. You say that forgiving yourself, having this unconditional love for yourself and others, is the language, right?

• 38:45Mayim Bialik?

  That speaks to all of these parts. And unconditional love is like a human response to a natural force we can call universal love. And you talk about all of the things that happen once we kind of open up that portal. There's a little prayer. I wrote it, I called it a prayer. "Actively hiding part", meaning if there are parts of us, right? That we know we're trying to get at. "Please allow me to forgive myself. Please help me access universal love. I don't need to understand how or why it's been hard for me to do this. I just ask that I can do it now. Thanks." So I called this the "Universal Love Prayer", because how many times do we say... I'm just gonna give an example.

• 39:30Mayim Bialik?

  This person is bad for me, right? This relationship is hurting me. This person is hurting me. I know that they're hurting me. And I often have people like, you know, you have friends that come to you. Why do I keep doing this? I don't have the answer to that, right? But there's something in the repetition compulsion that so many of us have. And yes, it's rooted in your trauma and it's intergenerational and blabberdy blue. But what you present as part of a conversation about disclosing parts of you to yourself, parts of you to other people, is this notion that love, with a capital L, is the, it's the goo, right? That's kind of holding everything together.

• 40:13Mayim Bialik?

  It's the cytoplasm of our existence. And anybody who's been paying attention, right, should know, every time we've spoken to a great theoretical physicist, anytime we've spoken to someone who's had a transcendental experience, a spiritual awakening, a deep communing with the universe, what, what people who die and come back, people who are declared dead twice, they come back, what is the message that they have been sent back to give us? Love, compassion, understanding, peace, no conflict, don't sweat the small stuff. Like, how many ways do we need to get the message from the universe, right?

• 40:52Speaker 00

  I love you for seeing that and saying that and really getting it. My, my experience is that people who are reading this book are getting it. And there's nothing more gratifying. I've written other books, I'd never have had an experience where people are getting it. I want to go back with the love piece as a forgiveness coping tool that actually allows you to change, love and forgiveness are obviously, unconditional love and forgiveness are intertwined, to your little marriage spat about you should be different. So in your mind, each of you has a sentence that starts something like,

• 41:27Speaker 00

  If you would just X, then I could love you more.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  If you would just be less precise with your language and understand this is a heart-to-heart connection, I would love you more. If you would just understand that the precision of language is how I function, I would love you more.

• 41:42Mayim Bialik?

  And we can also be a little more generous. If he would just stop drinking. If she would just stop shopping.

• 41:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 41:48Mayim Bialik?

  If he would just quit his job.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  If he would stop hoarding.

• 41:51Mayim Bialik?

  Correct.

• 41:52Speaker 00

  If she would stop talking to her friends when it's late at night and I want to sleep. Whatever it is. There's a, everyone has this sentence in relationships that I've, that are, are, where people fight. And it's something like, if you would just. And what that is, is a demonstration of conditional love. Because guess what? Very few people have had the experience of unconditional love. So that's why when, when mystics come and talk about that, or when physicists talk about that, when anyone talks about that, it's a rare treat because it's, people don't really know what that is.

• 42:25Mayim Bialik?

  What is it? Define for us conditional versus unconditional love? Because people, I think, use it very loosely, which I don't like. You know, like, oh, I love you unconditionally. What does it mean?

• 42:35Speaker 00

  So there's two definitions. One is a definition that I used when I actually created an unconditional love assay, which means questionnaire, that we validated for use in experiments so we could find out if people were feeling it. It's like a paragraph long and it's very precise. The shorter version of it, which is also precise, but shorter. Having the experience of being loved and being able to love without needing anything to change. Anything. So it's not, as you could, you could see it's very opposite to, if only you would blank, I would love you. Having the experience of being loved and being able to love without anything needing to change. I always say it twice because it's so radical.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  Like, nothing needs to change here, right? Everyone's doing the best they can with the brains they got and the situation that they were born into. And love is the only thing that frees you from the jail of conditioning.

• 43:34Mayim Bialik?

  It frees you. You have the key to the prison that you are in when you hate someone.

• 43:40Speaker 00

  That's a prison that that couples put themselves in, that that parents and children put themselves in, that friends and family and people in the workplace put themselves in. And it's incredibly freeing, and I can't even tell you how productive that makes you. And I'm not saying I always feel it, but I'm saying, like, I am learning to feel it. I'm practicing it.

• 43:58Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm in 100% agreement. And we've talked about loving-kindness meditations and how powerful accessing this force can be, even for yourself, where you're like, oh, I didn't do the thing. Okay, let me provide myself with love and acceptance, instead of that voice that's going to beat myself up in order to get myself motivated to do something. And, at the same time, how do you speak to those people, maybe it's spiritual bypassing, who are like, I'm just going to have unconditional acceptance for myself, even when my behavior is knowingly off track or out of control?

• 44:36Speaker 00

  Okay, this is a pet peeve. Unconditional acceptance is not the same thing as unconditional love. So you can unconditionally love someone and absolutely not accept their behavior. People can do it all the time.

• 44:46Mayim Bialik?

  I'm doing it right now.

• 44:50Speaker 00

  Wait, let's, let's, let's ask Mayim about that. Mayim, we ask you to put yourself in a place of unconditional love for Jonathan.

• 44:58Jonathan Cohen?

  Those questions are not organized by the document.

• 45:01Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, so what it means is, you know, and what I've been taught in many different sort of avenues around this is, it doesn't mean that I have to accept unacceptable behavior, right? Meaning, you can unconditionally love someone and choose not to be with them. You could unconditionally love someone and say, for example, you are killing yourself with drugs, alcohol, food, sex, whatever it is, and you can say, "That's what detaching with love means," which is, you know, part of like the 12-step structure, right? This notion of, "I don't need to change you. You can do whatever you want, and I then get to make a decision if I would like to sleep in the same bed as that,

• 45:43Mayim Bialik?

  work with that, take a jog with that." With all due respect to all of our parents, many parents, even those who love us, were not trained

• 45:57Speaker 00

  Not at all.

• 45:58Mayim Bialik?

  into how to love us

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Unconditionally.

• 46:00Mayim Bialik?

  unconditionally. Meaning, it's like, "Of course I love my kid," right? Everybody would say that, "Of course I love my kid, but they really need to get their shit together. They really need to like study what I want them to study. They really need to cut their hair," or whatever it is. Guess what? The message to a child, and I say this, you know, I have a 17 and 20-year-old. I mean, I literally, like, from the time that they could comprehend, I was like, "I don't know what I'm doing." Like, you know, like, "Good morning. I've never parented you today. What the fuck's gonna happen? Like, something's gonna happen today. It's gonna be bad, and you're gonna be in therapy." It is that notion of like, "I'm gonna do the best I can," with parents who did the best they could, from parents who fled a country. You know, like, that's my story. Everybody's got a story.

• 46:44Mayim Bialik?

  And everybody fled somewhere. Everyone's got trauma. Ask Gabor Maté. Everybody's got some trauma that's living in them. It trickles down, and I'm hard-pressed. Like, the only time, I'm gonna go, full disclosure, full disclosure, the only time I have experienced and embodied unconditional love is in relation to God.

• 47:06Speaker 00

  People tend not to feel like they are even allowed to have a relationship with God because of the self-judgment and stuff.

• 47:11Mayim Bialik?

  And also, it doesn't need to be a religious experience. And I use the word "God" just because, like, that is true for me. I could say it another way. The only unconditional love that I have experienced is from a connection with something greater than me in this universe.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, that's where it all comes from. But by the way, then that trickles into, wow, simultaneously, if I'm unconditionally loved, when you're experiencing that in that moment, it's almost impossible to not unconditionally love other people.

• 47:37Jonathan Cohen?

  You mentioned the term "hidden part." Let's unpack that for people.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  I'm curious about which of you is more analytical. Mayim and I are similar in that we're analytical creative. We're both analytical creatives, so we're unusual as scientists because we're sort of artist scientists. And you're analytical in an engineering sense.

• 48:01Mayim Bialik?

  He wants to know how things work so that he can make them work better.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  That's what I hear all the time from you.

• 48:06Mayim Bialik?

  I don't want anything to be better. I want it to be the best that it is and keep doing that forever.

• 48:12Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 48:12Jonathan Cohen?

  That is the best description of the two of us and where we bump up against each other.

• 48:18Mayim Bialik?

  In personality tests, it's like, are you interested in how things work? I'm like, the fuck? No.

• 48:23Jonathan Cohen?

  She's like, I don't want anything to change ever?

• 48:26Mayim Bialik?

  As an actor, I've said this to directors, when I've met like new directors, I'm like, I will give you a performance. You keep correcting it until it's exactly what you want. And then I will give you subsequent takes that are that and better. Those are your choices.

• 48:45Jonathan Cohen?

  But that is iterative and that is engineering in a way.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  But she optimizes, but she, her assumption of her, you're both optimizers. And I get it. But her assumption of optimizing is that you are actually going to say exactly what you want. And once you do, that's what you wanted. Jonathan, your deal is like, oh, I have now discovered a new thing. And you're like, but you told me a year ago, this is what you wanted.

• 49:08Jonathan Cohen?

  This is so right. This is the rightest thing I've ever heard.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  It doesn't take a psychic person. It just takes a person who notices people. And I'm more like Mayim in this. I'm like, but I literally have the auditory memory of your precise words where you said this thing. And my job is to do the thing that people want. And I'm really good at that.

• 49:26Mayim Bialik?

  People can have a framework, right? That is so different that this is where a lot of people bump up. This is where also a lot of people who are very obstinate, who don't want to engage with other people. It's like they have a very rigid, I think of like obsessive compulsive personality disorder, different from obsessive compulsive disorder. People who are like, this is the way it needs to be. And this is neither one of us, I don't think. But I think of that extreme of someone who's like, I need everything the way it is.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  Can we do an exercise now where you two get to a place for unconditional love with each other? Because I think that could help also other people. So like, could you take the, I don't care what example. The words aren't in the right place where you said they were, or whatever it is. Like, I don't care, just something where like, it's messy, it's not supposed to be messy. Whatever it is, and we go through that exercise.

• 50:13Jonathan Cohen?

  I have been noticing these patterns in the way that she thrives. And instead of seeing it as an attack, which I previously felt, like, the way that she was trying to operate was a limit on me being able to experiment and find those things. I really have shifted my belief to be like, oh, when she gets something, all she's trying to do is create the system to replicate and keep it at the level that we locked in on, which is such a valuable tool. And that was a big shift for me because I, you know, my story is, and comes way before I ever met her, is that people are going to try to make me not be able to operate the way that I naturally operate.

• 50:58Jonathan Cohen?

  Therefore, I can't be myself. Therefore, in order to be in relation, I have to basically shut down how I function in order to be connected.

• 51:07Mayim Bialik?

  There was a book that was written, I think, like, how much of my, how much of me do I have to give up for you to love me?

• 51:12Speaker 00

  Or do I have to give up me to be loved by you? You both have this incredible access, so here are the strengths that are in this relationship. So to anyone out there who's in a relationship where they're struggling and they love each other, like, that's clear, you love each other, and you want to see this relationship work. Since you both have that basic capacity to say, yes, I want the relationship to work, then you can make it work. And so then what is needed is moving into this. What's true is, you are a team, and a team needs people who think differently. This is back to why neurodiversity matters. What you have to work with different capacities, and you also have different fears. Jonathan, your fear is, I'm not going to be able to be who I am, and, ooh, I noticed you're going to be hypervigilant. Ooh, I noticed she's saying this, and now she's not letting me be.

• 51:56Speaker 00

  And you're going to be hypervigilant around, oh, you changed your mind. Because you clearly grew up with crazy-making parents. You're both hypervigilant around the problem that's going to occur, but at the same time, you're very aware.

• 52:09Jonathan Cohen?

  She does not like when I change my mind. Even if that mind-changing is totally justified and moving us towards a better direction, she would rather have a worse result.

• 52:20Mayim Bialik?

  That's 100% true.

• 52:23Mayim Bialik?

  I'd rather burn the house down.

• 52:25Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm like, we made the decision with the information that was available at the time, but new information has surfaced.

• 52:32Mayim Bialik?

  This happens to me even without another person. I have, you know, I have my older son moved to college, so I've got this empty room. I've got an empty room in my house, can't figure out what to do with it. And I was literally like, I need to sell the house because I can't figure it out. It's just gonna sit.

• 52:48Jonathan Cohen?

  She has no tolerance for the unknown, and I love the unknown.

• 52:52Mayim Bialik?

  Because you're always right in the unknown. That's why people like the unknown.

• 52:57Jonathan Cohen?

  I have to give a shout out to my son's mom, my ex. She taught me that more information will be available in time, and I was desperate always to stop the unknown and find a solution. And I saw over and over and over again, to all of my resistance, that that ended with a worse result, always.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  We try to foreclose on the future. And when people ask me a lot about precognition and stuff, I'm like, yeah, it's super interesting. We can get information and stuff. And then they say, oh, let's do it now and find out the answer now. And it's like, actually, it can be helpful, but the same way it's helpful to have more information, and in time, more is revealed. And so it actually makes you have a different relationship with time, where you realize time is your friend. And I am, I relate to your experience. So when I move into a new house, I literally, before I go to bed that first night, not only do I have to have everything unpacked, I have to have the pictures on the walls.

• 53:53Mayim Bialik?

  Hundred percent.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  Pictures on the walls.

• 53:55Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 00

  Because this is my home, and it better be clear.

• 53:58Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 53:58Speaker 00

  You know, I can't sleep otherwise.

• 54:00Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm good at unpacking suitcases, but I'm not good at deciding what something should be until I've lived in it a little bit.

• 54:06Speaker 00

  This is why we're gonna do this exercise. The exercise is gonna be supporting my aim in building those two personalities in your own mind.

• 54:17Speaker 00

  And not outsourcing, because you need his ability to not foreclose on the future and to live with the unknown. And you also need your ability to say, you know, damn it, we're doing this and this. And like, we have to make a decision and action has to happen. By helping her with this exercise, you're also going to be building in your own mind, the mind part. So like, we all have to build these parts in our minds. The part that we have a deficit in is the part where we're learning to build when we're with a new partner, just like your ex-partner helped you build this capacity. You're always working with what you have and where your deficits are. And if you can work in love, then it's just this playtime about, oh, that's number 23. You know, that's your problem, number 23.

• 54:59Mayim Bialik?

  We're going to hit pause on our conversation right here. Part two is going to open with the remote viewing exercise that Julie is going to take me through, which we will reveal the results of at the end of the episode. So you don't want to miss part two. We're also going to get much more into detail about her experiences in public school, the kind of experiments that were done on her, what she remembers, how she's tried to bring those memories back, and what is stopping her. We'll also talk about practical ways to increase intuitive, psychic, and precognitive abilities, and how the telepathy tapes is potentially going to change the way we view not only our own cognitive ability, but consciousness as a whole.

• 55:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Stick around for part two. Until then, join us on Substack, MindBee Alex Breakdown on Substack, to join the Breaker community and get content that is not released anywhere else.

• 55:47Mayim Bialik?

  From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.