George Santos Airs All of Congress’ Dirty Laundry in Final Interview Before Prison

In a few days, former congressman George Santos will report to prison for seven years. He’s decided to tell the truth about Washington before he goes. (00:00) Why Is Santos Going to Prison? (10:18) Why Did All of Santos’ Colleagues Abandon Him? (16:42) Was the Ethics Report Against Santos Totally Fabricated? (25:08) Expelling Santos Set a Dangerous Precedent (44:42) Why Santos Loves Tim Burchett (48:23) The Moment Santos Realized How Unserious Congress Is Paid partnerships with: PureTalk: Go to https://PureTalk.com/Tucker to make the switch Dutch: Get $50 a year for vet care with Tucker50 at https://dutch.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:25Speaker 01

  Every interview you do, the reporter ends up lecturing you, giving you a moral lecture. And I just lived in DC for too long and I just, I have you in perspective with everyone else you serve with, the other 435. You are not the sleeciest person I've ever seen. Sorry, sorry. You may have the longest prison term, but you are not the most deserving. You are, in my opinion, the funniest member of Congress I've ever seen. And I, to me, that counts for something. So I'm not exactly sure how you got seven, I mean, you're going to prison in how long from now?

• 0:54Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, 24 days from today.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  How in the world did you get seven years in prison?

• 1:23Tucker Carlson?

  I ask myself.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  I bet you do. I'm looking at this and I'm treating this as like a mental exercise. It's gymnastics. Tucker, just put it this way. No one is going to prison for what I'm going to prison for. Because if, if they were, we wouldn't have half a Congress right now. And that's on both sides. I mean, AOC still has a million dollars AWOL from her 2022 campaign that still hasn't been resolved. Nobody knows where it went. Unaccounted receipts or whatever the case excuse is. McCormick down in Florida, the Democrat, she accidentally took $5 billion from COVID relief. It was an accident. It was meant to be 5,000, but somebody added extra zeros.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  She's not going to prison. Even David Schweiker, who, who had a four-year-long ethics investigation against him for misusing campaign funds. Got a $200,000 fine. No one got indicted in 87 days. I am the fastest member of Congress to get indicted in the history of Congress.

• 2:25Tucker Carlson?

  Well, one of the charges against you I just read is identity theft?

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Yes, identity theft.

• 2:29Tucker Carlson?

  So we have, what the estimate is 50 million people living here illegally, most of them working, every non-citizen without a visa with a job in the United States is committing identity theft.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 2:40Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah, that's a fake social security numbers, fake driver's license.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 2:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, they all affect documents. I don't think anyone's ever been indicted of those tens of millions of people committing identity theft, but you were indicted and convicted of identity theft?

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Well, it's not even just that. There's the Dubin decision in the Supreme Court that came down last year, actually, late last year, or mid last year, pardon me, too soon.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Wrong person, actually. So it essentially says that if identity theft isn't the crux of the crime, and if it's a consequence, right, and I'm not making excuses here, I'm just saying you cannot be charged for aggravated identity theft. And this is a case. The case they make against me is that I stole people's credit cards and I went on shopping sprees. That is categorically false. The evidence doesn't even corroborate or substantiate that, right? But they went on with the media narrative because it was easier. For the prosecution, they knew eventually they would squeeze me out of the ability to defend myself, right, and pay for a defense. I went through every last penny I had and bank accounts closing on me, bank relationships, Wells Fargo, I had an account with them for over 15 years.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  I had a great line of credit with them. Boom, closed on me after being harassed with subpoenas by the FBI. Same thing for Citibank, which I kept my business accounts at Citibank. Boom. And I mean, I was, in 2022, at least, I did transactions, legitimate business transactions that were not contested, to the tune of almost a million dollars at Citibank. They closed on me. Like, banks that I had great relationships with wouldn't extend me line of credit. American Express, closed. I'm banned for life from American Express.

• 4:18Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Because the crux of the crimes charged, levied against me, are fraud, are financial fraud. It's white collar. Why would they want to do business with a high-risk client like myself? That's their excuse, right? So as the circle starts narrowing on me, I ran out of options. And that's how I end up in a bad plea.

• 4:38Tucker Carlson?

  Identity theft? I mean, you committed identity theft in the same sense that Sacha Baron Cohen commits identity theft, like in the service of hilarity.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll give you better. I committed identity theft in the same sense that ActBlue committed identity theft. Having clients on reoccurring donations, it's not my donors, pardon me. Having donors on reoccurring donations does not constitute identity theft per se, right?

• 5:02Tucker Carlson?

  And can you explain what that means? So in other words, if I give my credit card to a charity or a bundler like ActBlue, they keep charging it like monthly or something?

• 5:11Speaker 01

  There's a checkbox, right? You're supposed to select that when you're doing the donation. If you don't deselect that, and this is a big issue, I, I agree, in hindsight, political bundlers like WinRed and ActBlue should not even have that option on there. I think that's entrapment. I genuinely believe that, you know, looking in retrospect. It's, it's an onus so large on the donor and on the candidate, it becomes a nightmare. Because if you go there and you donate the max donation to me and forget to uncheck that box, now you're on a reoccurring max, you're going to completely be maxed out by, per the FEC. Now, if I had a good operation and a good treasurer, what would that treasurer do? Start returning donations, going there, manually removing. She wasn't doing any of that. She was moving money around.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  It got so convoluted and I trusted her and, and you know, it is what it is. Here I am. Seven years, if you look at the crux of the crime, it is $55,000 of misuse of campaign funds. I admit to that. I admit that, you know, I, I thought they were all within the purview of spending. I was told it was all, and I had no reservations of making those. I didn't do them in secrecy. They were all blatantly done because they were reported to the FEC. So I bought a new suit here or there, or I got Botox. Apparently, they said it was okay for 800 bucks, although despite the fact that I've spent thousands of dollars on Botox of my own money, but I, I spent 800 of the campaign funds on Botox. Then comes all these other like-

• 6:39Tucker Carlson?

  Are you worried that Botox like affects your brain after a while?

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 6:44Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know much about Botox. It's like the-

• 6:47Speaker 01

  It's a neurotoxin, right?

• 6:50Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, I've always wanted to ask a user that.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I mean, sure, there's a side effect to everything, right? We drink booze, it's bad for your liver.

• 6:56Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, for sure.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Right? So it's, I look at it the same way. But I guess I can, you know, no matter what I die, I'm always gonna have great skin.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  And you're all gonna see that, but you're never gonna know that my liver's falling apart.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  But that's kind of like the entire

• 7:16Speaker 01

  existence of this identity theft. And there's an entire Supreme Court decision that the judge in my case completely ignored. We made that motion, by the way. This is a judge, Joanna Sybert, who was appointed by Clinton, but has a stellar reputation of being fair, very fair, until she tries George Santos. And then she completely broke from precedent. Every attorney in New York was telling my, my legal team, like, you guys drew the judge lottery. So much so that at one point, the DOJ was trying to judge shop. They kept creating relatable indictments within the same case, but presenting them in Brooklyn, trying to get, and then would say, you know, in the interest of justice and of preserving public funds, these cases are related. We want to adjoin them.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Lucky, or I guess not lucky for me, she was very tenacious and says, no, they're all coming to me. She's the senior judge on the bench in the Eastern District of New York. So you would think, you know, she's seasoned, she's gone through all the nonsense, right?

• 8:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  But no, at the end of the day, she just slammed the book at me, 87 months, didn't even, she read the indictment inside the courtroom. She didn't, she went in there with her, with her decision, completely pre-written. She did not, it didn't matter what we can argue during sentencing, she didn't care. It was pre-written, she read it, she read, she read my attorney, she read us, she sided with every single aspect of the, of the prosecution. But what strikes me incredible is Nancy Marks, my treasurer.

• 8:50Tucker Carlson?

  Just got sentenced to six, to three years, pardon me, probation. She's not doing a day in prison. This is a person who has had run ins with the FBI in the past. So I've learned afterwards, this is a person who in 2022, to the own admission and contradiction, by the way, of the DOJ, did worse acts of criminality and manipulation on another candidates, another Republican candidate's FEC reports, a big candidate, by the way, somebody, person didn't win, but millions of dollars worth of a campaign and she was a treasurer. And then to top it off, they never indicted that person or gave her those charges. They were just after me, even though we're talking small potatoes with George.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  They were definitely after you.

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• 12:46Tucker Carlson?

  So that's what, that's what I noticed, just having seen this for so long. You see this pattern where a guy is marked for destruction and it's kind of assured at that point. First his enemies attack, then his allies abandon him, then the media backs up everyone who's against him, and then the justice system moves against him and there's just no mercy at all. And I've seen it with all kinds of people, some who deserved it, others who didn't. But I saw it happening to you and I didn't really understand the details and I, the whole time I was thinking, I know what's gonna happen, that man's going to jail, okay? Cause like, everyone's against him, no one will defend him. But I couldn't understand why it was hap- I'm ideological, so I was trying to think, I

• 13:29Tucker Carlson?

  looked into your positions on everything and, you know, you're conservative for New York, but your positions are not radical at all, they're totally within what we call the mainstream of the Republican Party. So I don't think, this is just my theory, do you think you said anything on the issues that deeply offended people?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Not on the conservative issues.

• 13:48Tucker Carlson?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  I totally offended libs.

• 13:50Tucker Carlson?

  You definitely offended the libs.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  I do that for sport. Here, here's my biggest crime, I'm a gay man who's a Republican and I won a seat in the middle of New York City. That's not, that can't stick.

• 14:00Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, no, they hated you for that, but then the Republicans abandoned you too.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Look, I'll say this, it was a small group of Republicans who abandoned me at first and those were the people who wanted us out of putty scores. Nick LaLota, Anthony Disposito, these are all local guys, right? So the former Congressman Disposito, cause he said that expelling me would secure his reelection. Well, that didn't work out that way, neither for him, Brandon Williams, or Mark Molinaro, all three of them lost their elections, in which they weren't supposed to, but they did. Nick LaLota, who replaced Lee Zeldin, which is an absolute travesty, because Lee was an actual conservative, this dude's just, I can't even detail to you, like, where on the, on the barometer would he even measure as a conservative? Cause the dude caves and votes for every CR that's ever been presented and, and is, is

• 14:46Speaker 01

  contributing to the destruction of our, of our economy, contributing to the destruction of our country in general by putting us in perpetual debt. These guys didn't like me back home because- As I was quote, "the rising star in New York."

• 14:58Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Nobody likes that, you know, it's all about self-aggrandizement for these guys. And when there's one sucking more energy than the other, they're not gonna like him. And that's, that's how it boiled down. So when I was vulnerable for the first time in four years that they've interacted with me, I belly up and they're like, ah, this is an opportunity we're not gonna miss. And they just went in for the jugular, you know?

• 15:18Tucker Carlson?

  But what about in the Congress?

• 15:21Speaker 01

  In Congress, these two guys managed to move people's minds, you know, there's, one's a former cop, the other one's a service, a former serviceman. So they built those relationship with that kind of caucus in, you know, the former cops, a former serviceman. So they kind of have that brotherly bond. So those guys all disbanded towards them and against me. Look, if it wasn't for people like Tim Burchett to extend a friendly hand and pull me in, I probably would have sat in a corner by myself.

• 15:50Tucker Carlson?

  From Tennessee.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  From Tennessee, yes.

• 15:52Tucker Carlson?

  Such a good man.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  He's, he was my mentor and I've learned one thing from him. We don't need to agree to be friends.

• 15:58Tucker Carlson?

  That's totally right. I mean, he's like a, you know, he's.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  He gets along with Maxine Waters.

• 16:03Tucker Carlson?

  Totally, and he has my politics, I think. And, uh, but he's just a really decent, like Massey, he's a decent person.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  I love Massey, disagree with him on stuff.

• 16:10Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, I get it, but I'm just saying like.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  But I love the guy.

• 16:12Tucker Carlson?

  Person.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:14Tucker Carlson?

  So who were your friends in the Congress?

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Tim Burchett.

• 16:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Um, I loved Trent Kelly in Mississippi. I mean, who would think a gay man from New York getting along with a guy from Mississippi? But I love Trent Kelly, Lauren Boebert.

• 16:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Marjorie was always very, very good to me. Uh, Matt Gaetz, you know, uh, I've known Gaetz longer than I know all of them. I mean, I've just known Gaetz for years at this point. I think since I kind of entered the political scene, he's a very welcoming, he's a great recruiter, I would say for the party. Because he's young and he, he's not, he doesn't have all these preconceived notions about people or how people need to be. So it's very easy to get along with him.

• 16:50Tucker Carlson?

  No barriers with Gaetz. And again, he'll give you his tax like you can call him.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  And I fight with Gaetz plenty, don't.

• 16:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I get it.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  I, I, I argue with him plenty, but I would always go to his office when I needed some guidance on stuff, he was always willing to. Thomas Massey guided me through some tough votes that I didn't understand. Freshman congressman, I don't understand everything. No matter how much of a bookworm you might be, when you get there, you're voting on things that you really don't understand and you need to seek guidance. Sought that guidance from Massey so many times and so many times, he was willingly, uh, available. You know, uh, I would turn around and say, Massey, I understand what you're saying, but I kind of disagree with you. I would take the information and still vote contrary to him sometimes.

• 17:27Tucker Carlson?

  You can't hurt his feelings though.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  You can't though. I mean, look, the one thing Massey and I always will agree on, I'll never vote for a CR. I never voted for a CR, never will vote for a CR. It's just.

• 17:36Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 17:38Speaker 01

  You cannot perpetually live borrowing money. You will bankrupt this nation into oblivion. And if you do not balance the budget, it is, it's the biggest existential threat we have today is not Iran. Despite, we don't agree on Iran.

• 17:53Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  I hate Iran.

• 17:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. Iran's not great. I'm not saying Iran's great.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Iran's terrible, but they're not our biggest problem. Today, our biggest problem is domestic. It's debt, right? And the fact that we, one big beautiful bill. Love the bill, love the intentions, but I think the framework of the intentions are flawed because they started off by cutting back spending based on 2024 levels. They're supposed to cut back spending based on 2019 levels because anything from 2019 forward has Pelosi's COVID pork. And we're still spending at COVID level today. Don't take it from me, call any other member of Congress. We still spend at COVID 19 levels today. We might have rolled back some provisions, but the spending is the same levels of 2020 onward. If you really want to be serious about cutting

• 18:38Speaker 01

  back spending, you go back to 2019 and you cut on top of that because we were already about 40% over budget. That's, that's my standing financially, fiscally.

• 18:47Tucker Carlson?

  I think that seems totally reasonable.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  And it's the only reasonable way forward, but you can't even get the framework of the one big beautiful bill to be perfect. Again, I'm not going to let perfect be the enemy of good. There's good things in the bill, but this version coming back from the Senate? Not, not for me. I don't know about others. It's definitely not for me.

• 19:07Tucker Carlson?

  So, but you don't have to deal with it because you were literally expelled.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Pretty much. Yep.

• 19:11Tucker Carlson?

  So, okay, this is a philosophical question, but I'm sure you've pondered it. You were elected by the voters of your district in New York. In Nassau County.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Yep, Nassau and Queens.

• 19:21Tucker Carlson?

  And Queens.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Don't forget about Queens.

• 19:22Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  I'm a Queens boy.

• 19:24Tucker Carlson?

  And one of the boroughs. So, but that's where your authority comes from. And in a representative democracy, you're representing the democracy.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:33Tucker Carlson?

  You're an instrument of our system. So how can, how can you be fired by other elected representatives? Like, how can, I don't understand how that works.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Well, Thomas Massey said it best. I will not overturn the election results of the Third District of New York.

• 19:49Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so that's what I'm saying, right? And that is just a crisper way to say what I was trying to express.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  That's what he said, exactly. And he says, this is, this is preposterous. Let you go and be fired by the people who sent you here. At the time, no convictions, no, I still had, trial was a long's way. So no due process offered. They call a political hit piece in Ethics Report, and I'll give you a little tidbit of the Ethics Report. And I have to do the air quotes because it irritates me to know that this will forever be in my record. I had a hit type plant person try to work in my office called Derek Meyer from Ohio. Completely insane Looney Tune guy. He wanted to work in my office. One of my staffers said, he's a good guy, whatever. We did vetting on him. Turns out he was nuts. He, he was under investigation for wiretapping a federal courtroom.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  So we said, we don't, we don't need the drama right now. I have enough drama. I don't need a sideshow. So we said, no. This man, after being told no, went to the Ethics Committee. Complained that we made him work for free, made a bunch of stuff. None of it stuck.

• 20:58Tucker Carlson?

  Accused you of slavery.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Pretty much, right? None of it stuck. Then, after a whole week goes by, he decided to pull out, what card can you possibly think he pulled out of the pocket? Sexual assault.

• 21:09Tucker Carlson?

  So, I was gonna go with racism, but okay.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Sexual assault, right? And I said, wow, that's a first even for me. I was shocked. I was flabbergasted, like, wow. I've never been accused of being pervy. So I sit at home, I go back to my partner. I'm like, I'm being accused of being pervy. He's like, they definitely don't know you. Like, I'm such a square. And we were just like shocked. This plays out. He made bombastic allegations about sexual assault and I groped his groin. I invited him to karaoke, none of which was true. Then when he gave his testimony, he gave detailed dates and times. Lucky congresspeople who have good staff like I did have a very detailed calendar of my whereabouts.

• 21:54Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  With plenty of pictures, you know, they're following with pictures and video to post on social media. Look, he's working, you know, the whole dog and pony show.

• 22:01Tucker Carlson?

  He's not at karaoke.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go. So it became so hysterical. The Ethics Committee called him, for the lack of all the words, didn't say a straight out liar, but he lacked credibility and evidence to prove. And that the evidence to counter it was so overwhelming, they dismissed it. This was Office of Congressional Ethics. So the chairman of the Ethics Committee, Michael Guest, in his infinite wisdom in his expulsion resolution, contradicted his own ethics report, which exonerates me from sexual assault. But he puts it in the expulsion resolution that whereas I engage in sexual harassment and sexual misconduct in my office, in my capacity as a member of Congress, to enhance

• 22:47Speaker 01

  the, because he accused me of, the ethics report also accused me of having a number of high interest credit cards to rely to keep my lifestyle up. Oh, I'm sorry. That was Joe Biden's economy. Interest rates were up all across the board. I'm sorry for being American and over leveraging myself. So I have bad spending habits. They use this as evidence against me, you know, and built this entire report.

• 23:15Tucker Carlson?

  Like a trailer park economist going on and they were mad about it.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  They were pretty mad. Like, I'm like, I'm sorry, but I do it well.

• 23:24Tucker Carlson?

  That was kind of the issue. So when you look at this and you have Troy Nels and, and all these very serious former law enforcement officers who look at this and says this reads straight up like a political hit piece. No good cop would ever turn this over to a DA and say, here, here's the charging documents. But this is what the Ethics Committee did. And it was enough, I guess, to convince 105 Democrats, Republicans to join the Democrats in expelling a Republican. If you use Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, then you're overpaying for your phone. That's just a fact. The companies don't want you to hear that, but it's absolutely true. Why is that? Well, think about it. Your monthly payment funds thousands of retail stores, their retail stores

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• 26:00Tucker Carlson?

  You think of all the Republicans who hate their party, worked against their party. You think of all the Republicans.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Those are the 105.

• 26:09Tucker Carlson?

  Fair. But it's, you think of like the crazy behavior that goes on in Congress. And I do want to ask you about that at some point, but like, that is a wild precedent to set. We're just going to expel someone from a body to which he was elected?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, they, they are, they are pretty self-important up there.

• 26:28Tucker Carlson?

  But, but you would think that they would also be interested in self-preservation to the point where they would say, let's not set that precedent. Let's not, start doing that.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Well, here's the funny thing. I, I was expelled, no due process, right?

• 26:40Tucker Carlson?

  And you had not been convicted.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  No, not even, no adjudication whatsoever, just allegations at the point. And had I not been expelled, I'd still probably have juice to put up a fight. But when you're expelled, you lose juice. It's, I, I don't know how to put it to you.

• 26:54Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's, that's well put.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Like, I lost juice. I, I had no gas in my tank to keep going forward. So, yeah, I totally.

• 27:01Tucker Carlson?

  Where was, okay, so the leadership of the Republican Conference, the Republicans in the House would be able, I think, to tell Republicans how to vote on this.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  So.

• 27:12Tucker Carlson?

  So Mike Johnson's the Speaker.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  I'm going to say this. Kevin McCarthy was 10 times a better leader for the conference than Mike Johnson is.

• 27:20Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's for sure.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  I mean, no question.

• 27:23Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I've noticed, yes. I can't believe I'm saying that.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  You, you don't need to agree with Kevin's politics per se.

• 27:29Tucker Carlson?

  No, I agree.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  But he was a great leader. He knew how to, he whipped that into shit.

• 27:34Tucker Carlson?

  On the ideas part. He just wanted to win, right?

• 27:36Speaker 01

  He just wanted to win. He's a winner. He wants to win and that's fine for me. I kind of disagreed with him a lot. Like, I, I've let him down a few times, but you know what? He had my back. So I always go back and I tell Matt Gaetz, do you still really think it was a good idea vacating McCarthy?

• 27:49Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Cost me my seat, cost the conference a seat, you know? But.

• 27:53Tucker Carlson?

  I was so mean to Kevin, who, who I should just say is a nice man. And I saw him at dinner last summer. You see to the table next to me, couldn't even look at me. And I thought, you know, I was so mean to that guy. He's easy to be mean to.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  It's easy because he was the face of something you were angry at.

• 28:08Tucker Carlson?

  That's true. I'm annoyed by Republican leadership always. But then you look at Mike Johnson, who's.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  A disappointment.

• 28:13Tucker Carlson?

  Oh. So much potential. Authorizing all this killing in the name of Jesus. It's like, I can barely stand, I can barely stand it. So, uh, yes, I think those of us who thought kicking Kevin McCarthy out of, I had nothing to do with it, but just cheerleading from the sidelines, we were completely wrong. And I think it's important to admit that.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  I, I agree. And so Mike Johnson takes a posture of, vote your conscience. At least Stefanik is freaking out like, what do you mean, vote your conscience? Like, who?

• 28:39Tucker Carlson?

  This is the Congress. They don't have a conscience?

• 28:42Speaker 01

  She's, she firmly votes to keep me, Mike Johnson, Scalise, most of leadership who matters. And then you have the useful idiots like Richard Hudson, which I don't expect you to know who he is. But believe it or not, he's the chairman of the NRCC, which is in charge of recruitment. Now you wonder why we can't expand the majority.

• 29:01Tucker Carlson?

  Who is he?

• 29:02Speaker 01

  A former staffer become, became congressman, which is a worse way to become a congressman.

• 29:06Tucker Carlson?

  From a state?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  From the state of North Carolina.

• 29:08Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  So he was a staffer to a congressman, then became the congressman. And now somebody thought in their infinite wisdom, we're just gonna let him be the, uh, NRCC chair. A total dud votes against me. Then you have the Mormon out of, um, Utah. I can't, I have such contempt for some of these people that I forgot their names.

• 29:27Tucker Carlson?

  Fair.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  He's the deputy, uh, conference chair. Can't remember his name. I know he's super tall. He votes for, he votes expel me.

• 29:35Tucker Carlson?

  So you lose the tall guy?

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I lose the tall guy. Then Lisa McLean, who up until the moment of the vote, she's like, this is so unfair, honey, what they're doing to you, votes to expel me. I'm like, wait, what the hell just happened? Never looked at her in the face again. So this is, this is, this is leadership. Leadership fractured and it gave people a window to say, well, some of leadership went sideways. We're just gonna go with that. Ban of leadership.

• 30:00Tucker Carlson?

  But in the end, as you know, you served in the body, if the speaker said, no, we're not gonna let Democrats kick out this guy for stuff that we all know is pretty common. And, and by the way, if it's a crime, the courts will, will make that judgment.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  That was the only thing I argued with them.

• 30:16Tucker Carlson?

  So, um, if Mike Johnson had said that, you would have been fine. Why didn't he say that?

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Michael gets recently at an event in Mississippi told a person and for the sakes of that person's privacy, uh, cause he entrusted in me that he flat out said it was political because they had polled, um, the neighboring districts and they were getting slaughtered because of me. I find that very hard to believe because I was still being able to go back home, do my district work. I, in the middle of all of that Tucker, I did constituent work. I was doing, uh, town halls. I was doing mobile office hours. I, I, I worked through it, you know, these guys were all scared of doing anything because my name was going to come up. Well, just say I'm not George Santos. If you have issues with George Santos, go visit George Santos's office. That's it. But they, they took it personal and, and, and they made it

• 31:06Speaker 01

  personal and it's fine. And here we are, you know, but that's why I got expelled. So did you know Mike Johnson? I knew Mike Johnson from the fact that me and Lauren Boebert harassed him to run for speaker while we were going through that entire debacle. Yeah, that was unbelievable. I was coming out of the. So McCarthy's, can you just walk us through it for those of us who've forgotten the details? McCarthy gets vacated. Right. And, and, and you know, the one thing I hold till this day in my year from that day was Nancy Mace. Nobody knew what she was doing and all of a sudden it echoed. What's Nancy Mace? Nancy Mace. Just kidding. I love that name.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  All I remember is her very, it, it felt visceral. She screams an "I" that I've, I'm never going to forget the strength she used to say "I" for, for vacating him. It echoed and permeated through the halls and through the chamber and it, you could hear a pin drop because nobody saw that coming. That was a final nail in his coffin. Wow. And I sat there. Nancy Mace growled an "I." With every fiber in her being, I looked, I remember looking at Cory Mills's face and going like. What the just happened? He's like, this changes everything. We were just so caught off guard.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Cause now from M onwards to Z, right? Mace and yeah, alphabet. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. And I sat there just like pondering like, what is happening? Right? So that happens. We instantly get pulled into conference. We've now, you know, you look at Steve Womack's face hitting the gavel and saying the office of the speaker is now vacant. One eye squinting, the other eye almost bogging out of his skull. I remember looking at Womack's face and looking around like, did this just really happen? I'm like, when history couldn't be made even more, but it just just really happened.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  And I'm from my purview, I'm like, oh my God, I'm not the drama anymore. This is so for six weeks, I felt so relieved. I'm sorry, Kevin, but I just felt so relieved. It was not on me anymore. This is about Gates and Kevin. And I don't know if you remember the baby story, me carrying a baby and screaming at a Hamas protester. Yeah. So, so that all happened in that. I was just hanging out with babies at that point, cause nobody cared about me. But we all now get transferred to doing our conference meetings in the Ways and Means Committee room, which is in the Long Worth Office Building, right off of Constitution Avenue. My office was just down the hall. So I was like a two minute walk.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  I joke, my office became the, the hideaway bar. For some of my colleagues. So we were going there and we're doing these, these votes in behind closed doors. And all I kept thinking was how much I hated it when I would be on the outside and read about it. They're all now gathered behind closed doors, voting on this. I said, the hell with the closed doors narrative. I went to X. And I started going and telling people play by play. They were sequestering our phones. I said, I'm a fucking congressman. Sorry.

• 34:27Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  You're not taking.

• 34:28Tucker Carlson?

  You were a fucking congressman.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  I, I literally said, you're not taking my phone. Enough of this shit. No more babysitting. And I was just texting, live texting from in there. Then I started going out there and joining spaces. And there's some space hosts out there diligent Denizen and James and Shell Shock. These guys were hosting these spaces and Lou and, and I'm just giving it to them in real time. And the numbers started piling up with the audiences, tens of thousands of people listening. This is the first time a member of Congress is deflecting from, defecting from the entire conference and telling them what's happening behind closed doors, play by play, who's voting for what, what fights are getting to, what propositions are being offered, you know, even McCarthy's navigation, trying to go back into the speaker's office.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  There was a lot of those deals being cut. Did you know that at one point there was an offer of a co-speakership between McCarthy and Jim Jordan? That was an actual thing. That was on the table. Like Jim will be the speaker and I will be co-speaker with him and we'll share the office.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  This was offered, you know? So I'm telling people this and people couldn't believe it. So then we go through round one. It's Jim Jordan and it's Steve Scalise and I personally, I was very clear about this at the time. Scalise, who I look up to him tremendously, was going through cancer treatment. And I said, come hell or high water, I'm not voting for a man going through cancer treatment.

• 35:53Tucker Carlson?

  Fair.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  This job will kill him faster.

• 35:55Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. It's not good for him or the country.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Good for him or the country. I said, not smart. I don't think he ever quite understood that. I did it from a place of love and I think he took it personal and that's okay. That's totally fine.

• 36:06Tucker Carlson?

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• 37:47Speaker 00

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• 38:44Speaker 01

  And then Jim Jordan, there was a Jim Jordan aspect of it. We went to the floor three times for Jim Jordan and I voted for Jim Jordan. I like Jim. Jim's a great guy. I had personal meeting with him, but it wasn't moving. So when I saw that it started to fall apart, I started lobbying Mike Johnson. Quiet in the corner. He's like, no, no, no, George, I could never. These guys are like two big brothers to me. And I said, Mike, you're the only person in here that nobody dislikes. Like you're the nicest member of Congress. Nobody has an issue with you. You're the only one that can get a consensus. He's like, I could never do this to them. Then Tom Emmer tried. Poor Tom. I mean, the, the marriage equality vote completely ruined him with the conference, especially with the more Christian base, right?

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Your Bob Good's of the world would never vote for him, right? Um, so that went down in a ball of flame. And then the jungle primary started, the jungle rounds. There was like six of them up there from Dan Muser to Byron, Byron, and, and I love Byron. Byron's like a great friend. I, I was very conflicted at that point because here's the guy I lobbied and harassed to jump in the race in the race. And here's a friend of mine. Yeah. But I also said at the time, I said to him point blank, you're my friend, but I don't think you've been here long enough to be speaker. I think it'll eat you up and, and you have so much more to offer. Right? And I didn't want him to compromise on his values because you do have to compromise somewhat as speaker. Yes.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  But I didn't expect Mike to completely just throw his values away.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Mike Johnson, the morning he decided to jump in the race, sends me a text message and says to the tune of, George, I just wanted to say thank you for the encouragement. I've decided to jump in the race. I, I hope I still have your support. My answer to him is, let's go, you know, like muscle emoji. Let's, let's kick ass. I call Lauren Boebert, dead ass o'clock in the morning. She's like, somebody die. I'm like, no, Mike Johnson's jumping the race. She's like, woo, we're like celebrating. And from that point forward, we were his apostles for the MAGA base. Cause we, the two of us were on spaces and then Matt Gaetz joined promoting him. People had no clue who Mike Johnson was and we educated them. So that was my little role there throughout that experiment, I guess I call it. Cause that was an experiment.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  When was that? Uh, September, September of 2023. It was, uh, it went from September throughout October, early November. It was, it was a nightmare. And then he got it. And then he got it. And about a week or two later was Thanksgiving break. Now here's the guy. Two after he becomes speaker. He becomes speaker. Now here's the guy who I lobby like hell, put a lot of credibility into by propping him up on social media. Become speaker and I'm sitting in my bathtub, having a glass of wine. It's Thanksgiving weekend. And I get a call from the speaker and, and you know, naturally you wouldn't answer. I said, I was just,

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Tucker, have you ever been over something so much that you were just like, I don't care anymore about decorum? I'm gonna answer. Yes, I have.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  I just answered the speaker's phone call butt naked in a tub. Did you tell him you're butt naked? I did. I did tell him I was in the tub. Like, you know, Mr. Speaker, right now I, it's put up or shut up because I'm enjoying a bubble bath with wine. He said, I'll pray for you.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  But he was trying to convince me to resign. What do you mean resign? He said, why don't you resign? So this doesn't stay on your record forever and you leave in your own terms? And I said, Mr. Speaker. You had just helped get him elected speaker and then a week later he calls and says, why don't you resign your seat? Yeah, pretty much because he's, he's trying to sell it to me as if it's good for me.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Well, it sounds great. It sounds great. Lose your job. Yeah, it's awesome. Lose the job you blew your entire life to get and not even fulfill the entire term. Sounds like a great deal, Mr. Speaker. No, thank you. I told him, put up or shut up. You can tell the guys I said that because I'm not leaving. They're gonna have to kick me out and they proceeded to do so. So. How long after that did they kick you out? On December 1st. So I want to say two weeks after Mike Johnson became speaker, this was Thanksgiving weekend. So six days later. So he obviously knew, I mean, let's be honest, he knew they were gonna kick you out. I remember calling Guy Rushenthaler, who I love, Pennsylvania congressman, young guy, completely overrated.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  He, he would be a great speaker, you know, super young, dynamic. He's a deputy whip to Emmer. And I remember calling him and I said, Guy, can I just ask you a question? He's like, what? He's like, do you guys have the number? They're like, do they have them? I was like, I don't think so, George. I don't think there's an appetite for this. I said, all right, I think they do. He's like, what makes you say that? I'm like, gut feeling. Yeah. Right? It's like, three times the charm. I had gone through this exercise two times prior. So I, I sat there and I just said, I think they have it. He's like, I'm gonna run some traps and see the numbers. The day of, I'm on the house floor and the numbers are counting, the numbers are counting. Then there was a stall and it didn't seem to budge. And I'll get back to why it budged.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  There's a big reason why it budged. There's a stall and I looked at Guy and I said, this isn't looking good. Look at how many people haven't voted that are in here just talking to one another. And he's like, no, no, no, this is, they're just reasoning. Trust me, this isn't gonna happen. And it happened and it happened in a glorious way for, for those who cheered, you know, for me to be expelled. People were clapping as, you know. And you're standing there? Oh, I stood there. The moment, the moment I saw. While your colleagues clapped for your expulsion? Um, pretty much. The moment I started walking down the aisle, as Kenneth Cole put it, I wore an expulsion chic outfit.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  I wore, Kenneth Cole said, well, he understood the assignment. He wore expulsion chic. I had a coat over my shoulder because it was a heavy coat and I didn't want to have to hustle with it to get in the car. So I had a kind of like a quick way out, right? My, my car was waiting at the Capitol steps for me and it was just, that was it. Very anticlimactic, but. Did you get to clean out your office? Do you know what I did? I stayed in DC for Thanksgiving break because I had a gut feeling. I emptied my office out on the weekend of Thanksgiving when nobody was there to see it. So the one thing I never gave the media. I never gave him the George Santos carrying boxes out of his office. I never, because I looked at my partner, I said, I think they're gonna win this time.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  And to preserve some dignity, I'm not gonna give them the defeated vision of me carrying boxes.

• 45:27Tucker Carlson?

  But it seems clear to me, I don't know, but from what you've said, that when Mike Johnson called you a week after you helped get him elected speaker to say you should resign, he knew that he was, that you were on your way out and that he was gonna play, he clearly played a role in that.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  That was literally the reason I decided to empty my office.

• 45:44Tucker Carlson?

  So was that call?

• 45:46Speaker 01

  It was that call, yes.

• 45:47Tucker Carlson?

  So why wouldn't he just be straightforward with you? It sounds like he's lying.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Cause it's politics.

• 45:52Tucker Carlson?

  I know, but you can't tell someone you're gonna pray for them and then lie.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Not very Christian of him.

• 45:58Tucker Carlson?

  It's not, it's not.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  It's just not.

• 46:01Tucker Carlson?

  You can't invoke God and then lie. Like, that's not, you don't do that, that's not a good idea.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  But I've learned one thing about these people in Congress. It wasn't very Christian of him then, just like it wasn't very Mormon of Mitt Romney calling me a sick puppy. So it wasn't very Mormon of him to be so demeaning towards me. So, or tell me-

• 46:20Tucker Carlson?

  Mitt Romney called you a sick puppy?

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Oh, he told me to sit in the back of the room that I, if I were to stay, that I should serve in shame in the back of the room. I said, nobody puts baby in the back of the room. That's not very Mormon of you. And he called me an ass and I called him, it's a very famous exchange between us at the State of the Union. Because it's my first State of the Union, yes, I was center aisle seat. I saved that seat. And Tim Burchett says, well, you fought for this seat, you keep this seat. I'm not moving.

• 46:47Tucker Carlson?

  Burchett said that? Oh, I'm so glad you're telling me this. Again, I'm not endorsing anything, I'm not, all I'm endorsing is decency toward other people.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  And I got a lot of that from him.

• 46:57Tucker Carlson?

  And I'm attacking self-righteousness, which I hate. And is always a sign of rottenness.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  I'm not a choir boy. I don't make representations to be one. I am flawed, I have made stupid decisions that I regret profoundly.

• 47:09Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you think Burchett was so kind to you? You know, because I don't think it's not like his constituents are the same as your constituents.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Absolutely not. Tim Burchett is a special man in more ways than one can explain. I would equate it to him just being a good human being, a good following Christian that actually follows Christianity.

• 47:31Tucker Carlson?

  I believe that.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  Because he reached out to me through Marjorie Taylor Greene on December 22, 2022, after I had taken two antidepressants after I walked out of the Fox News van and got my ass handed to me by Tulsi Gabbard on your show.

• 47:47Tucker Carlson?

  I wasn't there that day. I love Tulsi, as you know, but I, that was not my position. She was sitting in for me that day.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  No, that's totally fine. And I hold no animosity. Clearly, I'm not her friend, but...

• 47:58Tucker Carlson?

  No, that became clear in the course of the interview. So sometimes when people sell products on TV, I love this product, I use this product, there's the question in the mind of the viewer, does this guy really use the product? Does he really love the product? Would he keep the product at home? Ask my dogs. Yes! Now, we are in a garage. I'm not gonna tell you where it is because, again, this is prepping, but this is my garage. There's a gun safe. And this is a part of my stockpile of Ready Hour. Completely real. The second I put it here, the second Ready Hour sent it to me, I felt peace of mind. Because no matter what happens, we're not going hungry in my house. I moved a lot of fishing gear out of the way to keep it in my garage. And ever since

• 48:43Tucker Carlson?

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• 48:57Speaker 00

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• 49:21Speaker 01

  But it was Marjorie. She's like, that was rough. I said, I didn't watch it. I experienced it. I don't need to watch it to know it was rough. So she's like, Tim Burchett from Tennessee really wants to talk to you. Can I give him your number? I said, sure. I didn't even know who or what a Tim Burchett was. And this man comes on the phone and is so kind and so, he extended not just the hand, he extended like a actual body for you to know you can rely. And believe it or not, we end up being diagonally positioned from one another in our offices. It's like maybe 40 feet away from his door. And I took advantage of that because that's where I would run for refuge many times and seek counseling,

• 50:06Speaker 01

  guidance from him. And he was always there, arms wide open.

• 50:09Tucker Carlson?

  It's amazing. I don't think most people watch this know who Tim Burchett is. I happen to know for another reason and I was, I've just been, I really don't like most members, but I do like him.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  One of the kindest human beings you'll probably interact with.

• 50:20Tucker Carlson?

  Thrilled to hear that. So you get elected to Congress. What are your first impressions of it? What did you expect and what did you find?

• 50:29Speaker 01

  I've learned one thing, for the sake of the American people, it's not a serious place. It's essentially an overpaid and a very expensive high school. That's the energy. I mean, people are pulling fire alarms. People are yelling at each other on the Capitol steps.

• 50:43Tucker Carlson?

  They're the stoners, the preppy.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  It's just so bad. And then there's the fashionistas, which was, I was alone in that category. I felt so alone. I couldn't even get one of the lady congresswomen to like join me on that. Like they're all so dull. I mean, I'll give Anna Paulina, she's kind of spicy. Yeah, she'll, she'll put her dad's ties on it. I'm like, okay, that's, that's, that's, that's a look, you know? But we had fun, you know? But it was just so, it's not seri- Tucker, I'm fun, okay? I am a, I have a self-deprecating sense of humor. I am larger than life, but I know how to be serious. When serious is required, I will sit there, I will freaking give you spreadsheet charts of all the analysis I did of a lot of the spending pork and the spending porn that.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Was going on and I would present this to the entire conference. I'd say like, just read this over. I'm being serious. Are we seriously, are we serious about our jobs or we're just doing messaging? Because at that point I learned 95% of Congress, at least in my time there, was messaging. Nothing was serious. Nothing was serious. The only time they were serious was when the uniparty joined and passed their pork, scrupulous CRs. And I remember asking Mike Johnson this on the floor once. Mike, why are we going on recess? It's July of 2023. And we don't have the 12 individual spending bills out of the appropriations committee. What's Kay Granger doing? He's like, oh, it's not Kay Granger's fault. Ask your speaker.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  And I said, wait, what? And I proceed to go to one of Kevin's staffers. I'm like, why am I hearing that? The speaker told Kay Granger not to progress with this 12 individual spending bills. Oh, George, don't worry. It's so complicated, but we're almost there. Well, first of all, now in hindsight, we know we had a senile chairwoman in Kay Granger, who before she ended her term, she went into a mental health care facility for seniors. She was like wandering around Texas, lost. That's the chairwoman of the appropriations committee. The actual, you know, when they talk about the power of the purse? She holds the goddamn purse. She was senile. She was in a memory care facility.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  She was in a memory care facility and I empathize with that and I feel bad. Of course. No one's mocking her. But there was, that's a cover up. But so why would the speaker allow her to be chairman of the appropriations committee? That's the cover up. Mike Johnson knew of this after he became speaker. And so did Steve Scalise, which I like, and so did Elise Stefanic. Leadership knew she was absent for six months. Her staff was still receiving pay without doing any work. This is, this is, this is government corruption 101. I'm gonna call it out on both sides. I don't care. And you should. I don't care. Nobody's, nobody's throwing themselves for me to save me. I'm going to prison for seven years. The only person that can't help me is Donald Trump if he chooses

• 53:42Speaker 01

  to. And, and at that, there's a bunch of people telling him not to. So I, I, why am I gonna be kind to these people and not say the truth? Why, you should be. The truth will set me free, Tucker. That's how I look at it. I totally agree with that. You know, so, so when you go back to that, and I'm having this conversation with Mike Johnson, that's where I also picked up a lot of respect for him because he didn't mince his words. But we find ourselves in, in, in this place that is not serious. They're not serious about passing a balanced budget. I've noticed. They're not serious about cutting, I mean, Elon Musk blew half of his fortune by joining the government and going and being the Chair of Doge. For what? None of those

• 54:23Speaker 01

  cuts have been codified by Congress. We're re-appropriating some of these cuts that were identified. They'll never get rid of NPR funding. No. I mean, sure, the, the only good thing that comes out of public broadcasting funded by the, it's Big Bird and Elmo. Yeah. See, the only good- Who are a little creepy if you think about it, but- Ah, who cares? Aren't we all creepy? You should. To someone. To someone we're creepy. Who is it that has nightmares about you? I forgot. The actress? Oh, that's right. Probably more than one, yeah. Well, but you get what I'm saying. I, I tell you, I know I'm creepy to people because they tell me on X. So, we're all a little creepy. Did you find creepy people in Congress? Oh, tons. Oh, really? Pervy. I mean- Well, actually?

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Pervy. I mean- Seriously? If, I, look, I don't, I'm not in the business of throwing friends under the bus. Right. But in confidence, I've had actually reporters come to me and tell me of how members invite them to their offices. Oh, I have a scoop for you, and then make moves on them. In the office? In the office. In the, in their office. There's some weird sex stuff going on in Congress now. I keep hearing about this. Is that, was that your experience? My experience was that it's a dirty place. I bought up to, I can't believe I'm giving all of this. No, no, no, but I, I keep hearing this from like, members that I know, and it's like, really? I bought up to Brian Stile, the Chairman of the Admin Committee. One of my staffers, there's something called the cages in Congress,

• 55:53Speaker 01

  which is a storage unit for us, right? Those are the congressional cages. Underneath? Underneath, in the basement of every congressional house office building. So I was in Longworth and we're like, uh, there's some stuff in the cages. We might want to go check before we order supplies. And I'm like, the cages? That sounds pretty racy. What's that? They're like, oh no, boss, it's the storage unit. I'm like, oh, okay. Let me go there with you guys. He's like, no, boss, you shouldn't go there. I'm like, why? And he's like, well, you know, there's some rumors. People are going out down there and having sex. I'm like, wait, is this serious? So I know a few other staffers from other members. So I went to some chief of staffs that I've known from the campaign time. You know, when you're campaigning, you're talking a lot more to chiefs than you are to staff, to the actual member. Of course.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  So you built those relationships as a freshman. So I knew a couple of chiefs and they're like, yeah, it's, you know, it happens like I, what am I going to do? Be the cock blocker, the sex police? I don't have time for that. I'm like, is there's no remedy to this? They're like, no. I'm like, why don't we put cameras down there to create deterrence? So I approached this novel idea, which is like, we're talking about installing like maybe six cameras in each one of these sections to Brian Stile. And he says, oh, we don't have time to focus on this. This is all based on baseless rumors. Then I learn that former members were caught having sex with staffers down in the cages. And that's why cameras will never go up. No way. Yeah. So this is, this is what we're dealing with. I mean, the last place on earth I ever thought I'd have to deal with sex scandals would.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  But why in the government building? Like everyone has a house, right? Can I tell you something? I think part of it is this dominance fetish problem that they have in DC. Interesting. What is that? It's the power. Like we're in Congress. I'm a staffer of the hill and you're coming here to service me. That's the mentality, whether you're a member or a staffer, whatever, you know? It's a dirty mentality. And I'm from New York. I have a high threshold for dirty and sleazy, but even for me, that kind of went like a notch above. And I'm like. I don't comprehend this. This is a government building. We're supposed to be boring. Sex was never in the job description.

• 58:09Tucker Carlson?

  Especially like sadomasochistic tinged sex. Like it's about.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  We all saw the Senate twink, right?

• 58:16Tucker Carlson?

  Oh yeah. The guy having sex in the committee room.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  I in the confirmation room of all when Amy Klobuchar's chair. How tragic.

• 58:25Tucker Carlson?

  What was the response to that?

• 58:27Speaker 01

  I was already out at that point, but.

• 58:30Tucker Carlson?

  Were you shocked?

• 58:31Speaker 01

  A terror. I was not just shocked. I'm gay.

• 58:35Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  I don't want to be associated to that. I I've fought too hard to disassociate from the game Inc. And LGBT mafia, this whole nonsense yesterday in New York City with the gay parade. None of that represents me and my partner. We don't walk around in thongs, in dog masks on all four, like on our, on our, on fours. None of that represents us. We don't walk around naked. Well, what are you achieving with that? And then this kid goes in there and does this. What are you trying to achieve? Marginalize people who have fought like hell? Cause if you go back to Stonewall, Stonewall was about rights, not about promiscuous city. Right?

• 59:15Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  So what are these people trying to achieve? Creating hatred towards us? That that has to be it. They're marginalizing us with these acts. So a person like that twink, that kid from the Senate confirmation room. I loathe a human being like that because I instantly get bundled into a basket. To quote Hillary Clinton of deplorable.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  And I'm not that.

• 59:38Tucker Carlson?

  Then what do you think that is? I mean, it does seem like a way to establish dominance or something like. I get to have sex in the confirmation room. Like there's nothing you can do about it. I don't know. There's, there's a hostility.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Nothing happened. He was fired, but no charges. Nothing happened.

• 59:56Tucker Carlson?

  Are members of Congress sleeping with each other?

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Uh, there's a few.

• 1:00:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  But consensual.

• 1:00:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, well, I assume consensual.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Consensual adults who, who, who are out of their, you know, relationships at this point.

• 1:00:08Tucker Carlson?

  Can you tell who the freaks are?

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  The freaks in Congress?

• 1:00:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  I can't. You know what? I'll say this to you. The freakiest member in Congress is a very good friend of mine.

• 1:00:17Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, she is.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  He is.

• 1:00:20Tucker Carlson?

  He is.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  But I would not, I don't want to go down this path. Let's just.

• 1:00:24Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, I won't. I'm not gonna ask you about Nancy Mace. What is Nancy Mace like?

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  I don't get along. So Nancy and I.

• 1:00:30Tucker Carlson?

  Like, what is that? What is the Nancy Mace thing? I don't know Nancy Mace.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  We used to get along.

• 1:00:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Um, in 2020, um, and then she, she was the first one to, the moment anything goes sideways, that's when you see people who were really your friends. She decided to go totally sideways on me and use me as a punching line and all that, but didn't vote to expel me. Didn't vote to expel me, and I respect her for that. But, you know, Nancy is just, I mean, I can't explain it.

• 1:01:02Tucker Carlson?

  She seems very unhappy. There is a kind of exhibitionism, but it's not just exhibition. There's something really sad.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  She doesn't need to show herself naked. Her tits do it for her. They're massive.

• 1:01:13Tucker Carlson?

  Is that true?

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Like, her tits show up before she does. I mean, if she's turning a door, you'll see her boobs first and you're like, oh, that's Mace.

• 1:01:22Tucker Carlson?

  Are they, are they famous in Congress?

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  They're pretty well known all around the country at this point. Have you not seen the videos? And again, not, not shaming, not body shaming. I think if she's happy with that, that's for her. But I'm just trying to say, you don't need to show yourself naked to get the attention. Just put a nice little cleavage like you usually do and it works well. You know, like, if it's attention, her currency, that's, it's a fact. Her staff will tell you that. If you speak to former staff of hers, your mind will blow.

• 1:01:49Tucker Carlson?

  What do they say?

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  That she's an attention whore, self-aggrandizement maniac.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  That's all they say. Every last one of her former staffers will say that. Every last.

• 1:02:01Tucker Carlson?

  Even by the standards of Congress?

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  That's the scary part. They say that it goes beyond, and these are people who've worked for other people. Remember, we're all megalomaniacs.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  But for her to stand out, it's a very special situation, you know? We're all megalomaniacs. That's not up for question. And if anyone tells you they're not, then they shouldn't be putting their name on a ballot because it takes a special kind of megalomania to say, pick me, I'm the best for you.

• 1:02:30Tucker Carlson?

  No, I totally agree. I could never do that.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  It's like, although I think you'll be president one day.

• 1:02:36Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think I'm the best.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  But I think, but, but nobody is the best.

• 1:02:39Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  But I think you will be.

• 1:02:43Tucker Carlson?

  I feel sad. I just want to be super clear because I know Nancy Mace will see this and I have nothing against Nancy Mace and I'm not attacking her at all. I just feel a sad, it's like, that seems like a super unhappy person who should pause, address whatever is making her show naked pictures of herself, or talk about her sexual assaults, or alleged sexual assaults, or all that kind of behavior. I'm like, you should not be in a leadership position. Okay, number one, you are not settled inside.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  She didn't take care of herself.

• 1:03:12Tucker Carlson?

  You shouldn't be in charge of other people. Like, are you joking? How can you have a system that elevates unhappy, like, obviously crazy unhappy people to positions of authority? That's not a, that's not a working system.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  It explains her turnover.

• 1:03:25Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, is it high?

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  It's the worst. By, by metrics, it's the worst turnover.

• 1:03:31Tucker Carlson?

  Of, among staff?

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  In Congress. Of all Congress people, she has a worse turnover.

• 1:03:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that poor woman. Well, I, I hope whatever she needs, she gets.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Again, I, I don't have, I don't hold an ounce of animosity towards her. I say this, I say this jokingly because it's funny. I mean,

• 1:03:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, it's.

• 1:03:47Speaker 01

  And I, I will not miss a joke if I could make it. So it's not to degrade her demeanor, shame her, but she's definitely traumatized. And, and maybe there's a lot of truth to what this criminal, alleged criminal ex-boyfriend did to her, and it really hurt this woman because she's not the same woman I met in 2020.

• 1:04:04Tucker Carlson?

  But you don't get to lead my country. Well, that is, I mean, I feel like we should be led by sober, responsible people who think longitudinally, who have squared away personal lives, and people who love them, people to whom they're accountable, grandchildren, like, normal people, property owners, people who are vested in the country, not people who are acting out their self-actualization or whatever on stage.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Keyword, sober.

• 1:04:29Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, is there a lot of partying up there?

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I mean.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  The amount of alcohol, the sheer volume of alcohol in Congress is staggering.

• 1:04:39Tucker Carlson?

  I know, and some of them are alcohol, some of them have been caught by alcoholics.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  A lot of them, and some of them are great.

• 1:04:45Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Great people, and alcoholism is a disease that I, it's very sad.

• 1:04:50Tucker Carlson?

  Been there, so I get it. No, I get it.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  You know, look, I will say this, I like, I drink, I'm not an alcoholic, per se.

• 1:04:58Tucker Carlson?

  Per se.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  You know, or by the standards of Congress, I could never be an alcoholic because I can't drink half a bottle of Scotch in one sitting, or three bottles of wine, like I've seen some of these guys crush it. I'm like, two glasses in and I'm just like.

• 1:05:14Tucker Carlson?

  Guys in leadership, too.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Dude, it's.

• 1:05:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know them. I heard from one the other night who I like so much, nice man, texting me late night about something totally bizarre, not bad, and not creepy or anything, but just was clear he was drunk.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  But you know it's the bottle texting you.

• 1:05:31Tucker Carlson?

  Loaded, loaded, sentimental, stuff like that. And I'm like, oh, so you noticed that a lot?

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Well, I smelled it a lot.

• 1:05:39Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  It was so bad. Everything is a party, right? So, think of all those late nights voting, right? Some members, Tucker, would show up so wasted, they would have to sit in the cloakroom and hand their voting cards to sober members to go do their job.

• 1:06:02Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's actually against House rules. I've seen that in my, in my cloakroom. I know what happens in the Democrat cloakroom because I've exchanged notes with the fellow freshman. He's like, it happens here too, it's a shit show. So, yeah, I've, I've watched groups of some of my colleagues, some guys who I genuinely like a lot, sit in the corner of the cloakroom, completely inebriated, incapable of walking outside, standing still, sticking their card and pressing yea or nay and back, especially when we had long amendment battles with like, you know, 70 amendments.

• 1:06:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  They just hand their cards and say, just vote whichever we're gonna vote. I mean, it's the only thing, just don't make me look crazy. I've seen it, you know, I've personally seen it. So, and nobody's ever probably gonna have the cojones to come here and tell you this.

• 1:06:54Tucker Carlson?

  They had, I mean, clearly no one has respect for the institution, obviously.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  Zero, zero. I mean.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Members leave DC to go back home sometimes under like the hush hush, but they're still voting because someone else is voting for them. That's criminal.

• 1:07:11Tucker Carlson?

  That actually happens?

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that happens. I've seen it.

• 1:07:14Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's illegal.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I said. It's criminal.

• 1:07:18Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  You know, it's not hard to pull up flight logs and do like a tabulation of like, wait, how could you be in two places at the same time? The FAA keeps strict flight logs.

• 1:07:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, they do.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  It's not very hard to prove that what I'm saying is fact. It's just do an investigation and you'll see.

• 1:07:37Tucker Carlson?

  What, why don't congressional reporters ever write any of this stuff?

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  It's hard to note to their defense. It's hard to know if a member is there or not. It's imagine 450, 435 people from a bird's eye view, when you're in the gallery, they look like ants, right? They're like scrambling and wait, I didn't stay still. I would go from one end to the other. It's impossible to keep track. The way that they keep track is, oh, they must be here. They voted. Do you know how many times I would go in through under the, so the dais is here and you have the reporters on top of it in the gallery. Sometimes I would come right underneath there. There's a little slip there to vote. They wouldn't see me because I didn't go to fly vote because I was giving an interview out or I was on a phone call and you can't talk in the chamber. So I'd put it in my

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  pocket, go in there, look up, oh, this is a vote, vote, go back out there, continue my phone call. They would never see me, but they're seeing my vote go up. So they're like, oh, he's here somewhere. That's, that's why they get away with it, you know?

• 1:08:35Tucker Carlson?

  What about all the others? I mean, just the general vibe of it. I don't live there. I don't know a hundredth of what you know, but just from dealing with members of Congress a lot by text or on the phone, it seems kind of out of control.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:08:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it feels that way.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  It's a frat house gone rogue.

• 1:08:52Tucker Carlson?

  It feels that way and not in a fun way either.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  At her expense.

• 1:08:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  At our expense.

• 1:08:58Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  That's, but I never.

• 1:09:00Tucker Carlson?

  When was the last time Politico wrote that piece? Like the reporters don't really seem to write about this.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  I don't think there's an appetite because there's a currency of access in DC. That reporters are pigeonholed to and ethics has gone out the window for reporters in large. Because if they actually do the hard bangers, the ones that are in DC. Do the hard bangers, they lose access. The outlets don't want that. So what, there's an outsourcing that happens, right? So they'll get a whiff of something, give it to their editors and say, I can't write this, but find someone. But then when you're outsourcing it and the person isn't there and doesn't have access, the story doesn't get written without confirmation. You can't get a second and a third to confirm, you know, it's tough for them to write it.

• 1:09:45Tucker Carlson?

  It is tough.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  So it's, there's, there's an ethics issue that's going on in Congress and reporting for a while now.

• 1:09:53Tucker Carlson?

  I, I believe that the answer to the question I asked at the outset, which is, why did they decide to destroy you? Not that you did nothing wrong, but your sins compared to the sins of your colleagues didn't really stand out in my opinion at all.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  I was a great volleyball player.

• 1:10:12Tucker Carlson?

  So that's it. So I just want to ask you about that. So the reason I wanted to interview those before I got fired from Fox and I never got to the interview, but I just wanted to tell you, I thought that was the funniest thing I'd ever heard. That was like da da. That was like performance art. That was just incredible.

• 1:10:28Tucker Carlson?

  Volleyball team at Baruch, that's like, I wish I'd thought of that. I'm sorry. I know I will be attacked for being nihilistic or making fun of serious things, but I did think that was funny. I don't care. But I think you may have infuriated people by mocking the system itself. This is my kind of pet theory. I know it's kind of.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Oh, no, it's, it's, it's my theory.

• 1:10:48Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, is it? Okay. So tell me.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  So the volleyball story, a lot of people don't understand.

• 1:10:53Tucker Carlson?

  So what is the volleyball story? Tell us the volleyball.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  I had a GOP chairman in the district, Joe Cairo, who's a sports fanatic, Notre Dame grad, still live, he's like 80 and he still lives in the dawn of Notre Dame. He's, he was, he used to, what do you whistle, like referee, I guess, games until he got injured. So he couldn't, but he still goes to the games. Very big football fit. Every second word out of his mouth is a sports analogy.

• 1:11:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  I don't like football. I go to watch baseball, but I don't understand the plays too much, but I enjoy the, the sport. It's, it's all American, right?

• 1:11:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  I know everything about volleyball, but I've never really played because I never really went to college. So I said, I'm just gonna make up I went to college, played volleyball, and I can have some sports analogies and he'll like me. And it worked. I'm sorry. It was, it was supposed to be a little white lie just to create proximity with one guy, but then he started talking about how I was a volleyball star. I'm like,

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  this went completely. And then I like literally started Googling like, oh, Baruch played Harvard. They beat them. I'm like, that's all I could think of, you know? Sadly, it's the truth, you know? Like, I fucked up. I, I, I fell into the, there's no such thing as a white lie, Tucker.

• 1:12:12Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's true.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  There's no such thing. There's no white little lie just so no, you don't hurt, no, no, no. The truth is imperative because I am, I went from being known by my friends as being a blunt asshole to becoming liar, liar, pants on fire. And it's so shocking. Some of my friends tell me that. They're like, George, how do you go from being the guy who would eviscerate people to their face to now being called a liar? I'm like, I don't know.

• 1:12:39Tucker Carlson?

  You think the politics.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  Baruch volleyball?

• 1:12:42Tucker Carlson?

  My favorite was you had said, or you were perceived to have said, I have no idea what you actually said, but people would say, he pretended to work at Goldman Sachs and he didn't, as if working at Goldman Sachs was something to be proud of.

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  So that, that was another thing.

• 1:12:58Tucker Carlson?

  That's hilarious to me. Like, they're mad that you didn't work at Goldman Sachs? Like, what?

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  That's where Tulsi actually really got me.

• 1:13:04Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, she did?

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  And I tried to explain. And then I said, it's just gonna go everybody's head. I've worked for a company and we contracted work with them. For the sake of embellishing, and everybody embellishes their resume. That's an actual fact. I'm not saying you should, but everybody likes to make them feel a little bit more important. So I put it on there. Oh my God, that was so bad. Oh, big mistake. Never embellish. For me, never embellish.

• 1:13:28Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I'm so grateful you didn't work at Goldman Sachs. In fact, you should get a tattoo that says, I did not work at Goldman Sachs, just to brag about it. Or Citigroup. Can you imagine?

• 1:13:39Tucker Carlson?

  Can you imagine anything more shameful?

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  It's, it's today, actually, I'm embarrassed to ever had said that. Like, thinking to myself today, I'm like, of all things to lie or to embellish, why would I embellish this?

• 1:13:52Tucker Carlson?

  No, because if you were like an OnlyFans performer, or just like a straight

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  That's more honest work.

• 1:13:56Tucker Carlson?

  Straight walker, you could at least say like, I ran out of money, whatever. If you work at Citibank or Goldman, like, it's hard to explain. Like, I wouldn't want one of my children to come home and say, I took a job at Goldman. I would be really upset.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  No, I don't blame you.

• 1:14:08Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't blame you. It's like working for BlackRock and Blackstone. It's, it's, it's, these, these mega corporations are part of the problems we have today.

• 1:14:16Tucker Carlson?

  I completely agree. So, but you think that making a mockery of what the rest of them pretend to hold sacred is what made them hate you?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  I exposed the theater.

• 1:14:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  And you know, it's funny, and I say this because I, do you know when you look up to someone really well, like, and, and, and you're like, this is a stand-up guy, this is somebody I admire, and for me, that was Ryan Zinke.

• 1:14:47Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Always thought he was such a stellar statesman. It's the hat thing going on, I think it's cool.

• 1:14:54Tucker Carlson?

  Former SEAL.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  Former SEAL, Secretary of the Interior, Congressman, just a good man.

• 1:15:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  Do you know what's the first things he said to me on the House floor once? He said, George, I'm talking to you. I know you're going through some stuff, but just remember this. This is all theater. All that matters is you have one of the best seats in the House.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  I completely lost respect for him.

• 1:15:15Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  Like, talk about never meet your heroes.

• 1:15:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, I know.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Like, I sat there like, oh, okay, haha. I, I left so defeated that day. I remember going back to the office, I looked at my chief, I'm like, I, I, I don't understand this place. He's like, what happened? I said, this, this, this happened. He's like, oh, but he's, he's just trying to be funny. I'm like, I didn't think it was funny. I mean, and I, and I, I'm not, not laughing at jokes. And that's when I started to realize it's all theater. And I exposed the theater.

• 1:15:47Tucker Carlson?

  But, I mean, how long can this continue? Does anyone there think like, okay, Congress doesn't actually make meaningful decisions? They passed all their power to the president, to the executive, to the agencies. All the power of regulation, all the real power exists outside of Congress. They have only budgetary power, which they don't really exercise.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  They don't leverage.

• 1:16:06Tucker Carlson?

  Joke and they're having sex in the basement. Like, how long does this go on?

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  I don't think, if, if Congress, I hate using this as an example because it can be viewed as an, as a terrible way, but did you ever watch a show Designated Survivor with Keith or Sutherland?

• 1:16:23Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Essentially, a terrorist attack happens and a conspiracy happens in the country and the whole, during the State of the Union, the Capitol's blown up.

• 1:16:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  All governments wiped out. The only person left is a designated survivor, which is the Secretary of, I think, HUD.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  And he becomes President of the United States, right? And it's Keith or Sutherland.

• 1:16:44Tucker Carlson?

  So we all get crappy housing. We all move into second.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Well, what that show shows, I'm not advocating for that, but what that show kind of shows you is Congress was so broken that when they have the clean slate, they bring this whole, I got goosebumps talking about this, but I think what we generally need is a shakeup. We need to clean house. Republican, Democrat, everyone. I mean, it's bad enough. We have senators like Chuck Grassley, who are like four generations removed from the actual bulk of the working for workforce in America today, who's what, under 40, under 45? Chuck Grassley's almost 90 and he's talking about potentially running for reelection. I don't know that he'll do that, but understand that, and I love Chuck Grassley.

• 1:17:31Tucker Carlson?

  Me too.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  Tons of sacrifices, but we, we need to learn how to let go. We can't all Dianne Feinstein it, you know, and, and to may, may she rest in peace. She was a trailblazer in her own right, you know? I disagree with her, but she was a strong woman, went to Congress, became a senator, whatever. I disagree with her policies, but she served her country in the best way she thought she did. But why are we letting these people die in office in such, it's like watching Joe Biden. It was elder abuse. The whole presidency was elder abuse. Why are we doing this to our country? At what cost is this coming? So I think we need a reset, a great American reset. And that means everybody needs to just not run for reelection. I don't care if you're a freshman today.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  We just need a real reset. I want, I tried to convince them to pass a bill that would say every Congress, if that Congress fails, and it's not my bill, but if that Congress fails to balance the budget, which is its sole duty and obligation, every member therefore would be ineligible for reelection. I was laughed at by every single person I proposed this to.

• 1:18:40Tucker Carlson?

  I bet you were.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  I was laughed at. I mean, we were promised term limits, which I support. I have some issues with it because the moment you pass term limits, you're handicapping the choice of the people and deferring the power to staff, which is dangerous.

• 1:18:57Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  It's a very dangerous move, so there needs to be provisions in term limits that also move on to staff and what capacity they can serve for how long? Because we already have an issue with staff in DC, which is what? Lobbyists, wine and dine committee directors more often than they do members. Do you know why?

• 1:19:16Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  They slip in the pork.

• 1:19:18Tucker Carlson?

  Because they make the decisions.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  And nobody knows. Members aren't reading bills. Unless you're Thomas Massey and Chip Roy, nobody's reading bills. I did.

• 1:19:25Tucker Carlson?

  They don't read them.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  No, I did. Do you know why? I had no committees. I was bored.

• 1:19:31Tucker Carlson?

  Why did you have no committees?

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  I, I stepped down from committee assignments because I genuinely believed it would really hurt the work of the committee. Tucker, I had a tail of 60 reporters at days harassing.

• 1:19:46Tucker Carlson?

  So you, I'm, and pardon my aging memory, you were under, so you get elected in 22?

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:19:57Tucker Carlson?

  You came in January 23 and you're out by December 23. So that means

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  11 months.

• 1:20:03Tucker Carlson?

  11 months and you got there and you were already in the middle of the swarm.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, for I had been already 10 days since the New York Times story broke.

• 1:20:12Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  So when I showed up, you don't understand, there's a video of me. I look like Dora the Explorer. I had a bookbag. I like wearing bookbags, but this particular one was from my 2020 election that I almost got elected in. The absentee ballots reversed the result. Long story. So it was the House GOP conference one and I said, on my first day this time around, I'm going to wear that dumb bag. So I had the bookbag on my back, like literally like first day at school, kind of like vibe. Had my staff with me and we're walking to my office when we turn the corner. At least 50 reporters, cameras. I forgot what they're called, those bigger cameras that do live feeds.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  I mean, you wouldn't believe it. We couldn't open our door without tripping over reporters.

• 1:21:01Tucker Carlson?

  And this was from the very first day?

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  January 3rd.

• 1:21:04Tucker Carlson?

  Damn.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  And then if you go back to the speaker's vote, as we're going through all those rounds. You would think that I was the main subject of the of the vote because C-SPAN cameras were all, if I moved all the cameras, I remember joking, Matt Gaetz is like, George Santos moved, you know where he's sitting because the cameras are pointing in that direction. I don't know if it was matter for his large, somebody said that. Actually, I don't think it was mad. I think it was someone else who said it. But it was like the cameras kept moving in whichever which direction I went. Like if you go back to the coverage of the speaker's vote, it's like me plastered everywhere in in a very uncomfortable way.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Like I was scratching my nose and people said I was picking my nose. I'm like, I'm scratching my nose.

• 1:21:53Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think there's anything a Democratic member of Congress could do to get expelled? Would, do you think 100 Republicans would vote for the expulsion of a Democrat for, for anything? I mean, assault somebody and they're still there.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Look, I, I reject the notion of expulsion.

• 1:22:08Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  I, I, I wrote a piece recently and I ran it on the South Shore Press on the case of La Monica McIverson. I reject any notion of expelling her. I think she needs to be afforded due process. Just because.

• 1:22:20Tucker Carlson?

  Obviously.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Just because you set bad precedent with me doesn't mean one size fits all. And that gets people a little like off guard when I say that because they would think I, I want to see everybody expelled. No, I believe in the Constitution. I believe in due process.

• 1:22:32Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  She needs to have due process.

• 1:22:34Tucker Carlson?

  The people rule. They'll decide who serves.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  She acted like a thug, don't get me wrong, outside that ICE facility.

• 1:22:40Tucker Carlson?

  I couldn't agree more.

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  But she has due process.

• 1:22:43Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  And Alina Haba's delivering it.

• 1:22:48Tucker Carlson?

  So in the end, you were, the DOJ was as tough on you, the Democrat controlled DOJ, as the, your, some of your Republican colleagues?

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I mean, Merrick Garland supervises case directly.

• 1:23:05Tucker Carlson?

  Directly?

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Directly. I mean, my attorneys were talking to the DOJ attorneys and they say, okay, we got to go back to the AG and see if this works.

• 1:23:12Tucker Carlson?

  Damn.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  And so that's, that's a lot. It's a lot of pressure. Now, I understand probably why. I'm a city member of Congress.

• 1:23:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  That kind of checks. But you would think that that would be more hands off. Once I was expelled, it continued the same. Everything was run through the AG. They had zero agency. The one thing that brings cause for pause is the amount of discrepancies throughout this entire process I had. Exculpatory evidence being withheld for 14 months. Significant, not just nominal, significant exculpatory evidence being withheld for 14 months. Uh, motions ignoring Supreme Court rulings. I mean, we go, it's, it's a laundry list. Um, I'm being forced, Tucker, to pay back 200 and somewhat dollar, 200 and somewhat odd thousand dollars back to the NRCC.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  Money that I've never seen. It was used towards my campaign. And the NRCC in its own admission says they would have spent the money. That's the bare minimum they spend anyway, because my polling numbers were good. The DOJ says they only spend it under false pretenses because I said I was something I was not.

• 1:24:19Tucker Carlson?

  So NRCC is not National Republican Campaign Committee?

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, Committee, yeah.

• 1:24:23Tucker Carlson?

  Is not asking you this?

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  But I'm being forced.

• 1:24:26Tucker Carlson?

  DOJ is requiring it.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Is forcing me because they needed that number in order to get the points higher to get to the 87 month sentence.

• 1:24:33Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it's all so grotesque. By the way, I forgot to ask you, what did your colleagues think of Trump? Like, behind the scenes? What did they say about Donald Trump?

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Oh, I love seeing the fakery. You know, if I, if I, if I got a dollar for every time I heard somebody say, "He's not gonna get elected. This is nonsense. We need to move on from him," I'd be a billionaire.

• 1:24:55Tucker Carlson?

  Able to pay your legal fees.

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I probably wouldn't be going to prison.

• 1:24:59Tucker Carlson?

  You feel the fraudulence, you know?

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  So, I mean, look, Mark Green is one, the chairman of the homeland, who's now stepping down because he's doing some gold deal in Guyana, but is still serving while he's negotiated employment terms. Don't even get me started on that one.

• 1:25:17Tucker Carlson?

  He's negotiating a gold deal in Guyana while still in Congress?

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Yes, and he's notified the Ethics Committee, according to his own public statements, and everything is kosher. They're aware that I've already have employment terms secured. I'm like, you're lobbying for a new job while still holding a position of public trust? That's, that's per se freaking criminal.

• 1:25:38Tucker Carlson?

  I would say.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  I mean, what are we doing? So, so, you know, you have him, you have so many fraudsters there. Like, President Trump has about a good three dozen real allies in the House.

• 1:25:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  Like, that's about a real three dozen real allies, like Elise Stefanic, Marjorie Lauren.

• 1:25:57Tucker Carlson?

  Right, exactly.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Those are his allies. The rest, they're just as dumbfounded as probably the Democrats are that he got elected. And they don't like him. They don't like him and they're fake. They're very fake and it's this posturing and it's painful because I know some of the guys who worked for President Trump who vet this crap and they know obviously they need to play nice or else they're going to stall his agenda. So I'm not here to tell the president to go scorched earth on them, but I just want him to know, you know, there's a lot of fake people there, people who who were literally trashing him. I mean, it just. What do you think Mike Johnson thinks of him? I mean, look, I'll say this about Mike. I know Mike is a supporter because he was in his

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  is um.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  He was in the courtroom. Not just the courtroom. Forget that. I can tell you a bunch of those who showed up there who really care for Trump. He was in his impeachment defense team, right? So Right, right. If you're putting yourself, no, I agree. First term, if you're putting yourself in that position, you care for the guy like Lee Zeldin cares for him, you know, like I think President Trump's biggest ally is already around him with the exception of Elise, who I kind of feel got a raw deal with what happened to her. She should be the UN ambassador. Yeah, I don't understand what that was about. I it's backstabbing. I mean, Elise is a knife holder. She's the new knife holder in Congress. Everybody backstabbed at her on that. But that wasn't, that wasn't by design. That was, that was purposefully done to hurt her. And I think it's really wrong what they did to Elise. Who did it, do you think?

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  Look, the speaker I know lobbied begging for him to stop pulling from the House and ask him to reconsider Elise. And I have that on good authority. I mean, nobody gave me receipts, but I spoke to enough people. Once you hear something from more than three people and it's the same exact words, you start believing that it's credible. And I think that's the standard for reporting, right? Yeah, it was a standard in life. You don't need to give me a receipt or a text message or a recorded phone call, because if three different people within a specific spectrum, right, in DC, all were able to and I didn't just hear it from three, I heard it from about four, five. And they all said the same thing, that the speaker was asking him to reconsider because he was concerned about what was going to happen in her primary up there for in her special election up there. I believe he's

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  culpable. And that's why I believe he brought back the position of the chair of the conference, of the chair of leadership, you know, because it's guilt.

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  Again, I'm not accusing him of anything nefarious. No, I get it. I'm just explaining that math is hard. And this math was simple. If she left and that special election went to hell, that meant we wouldn't have one more seat. And that would have made things even more tight. So. I don't think that's crazy. I mean, that seems like a totally legitimate explanation. And rumors are she's very unhappy, as she should be. I would, I would be a bull with tits.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  I would see red everywhere I go. I don't know how she's still smiling on camera. I'd just be sour puss galore. Do people enjoy serving in the house? Some do. I did. Despite everything, it was an honor of a lifetime. I don't think I'd ever do it again. Cause I don't think there's anything happening there that I think I can be more effective out here than in there. You know, educating people on how it works and how dirty it is. Cause I still have, I will, I will be well sourced in the house for at least another decade and a half. Right? With time, it dwindles down, but I will be well sourced at least with, for a decade and a half. A lot of people who came in this Congress, I already knew them too. From trying previously or just from knowing them from, you know, the MAGA world.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  So again, there's always that. So there's some people who enjoy it. I enjoyed it very much. It was an honor of a lifetime. I'm a people person. I love helping people. It's, it's something I enjoy. And that job gave me the official authority to help people. Yeah. And I found it very fun. I mean, I had Wednesdays, we would, I would answer calls in my office. Again, remember Tucker, I had no committee assignments, so I was pretty free. So I started answering phone calls every Wednesday. And just like pick up the phone. Pick up the phone. Hey, this is the congressman. I just be like, uh, Office of Congressman George Santos, how can I help you? Who's this? I'm like, this is the congressman. No way.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  You pick up your own phone while everybody abandoned. I'm like, no, everybody's busy. The phone was ringing and I'm available. How can I help you? People would be so shocked because a lot of these times it was just agitators calling to nag. And I'm like, how can I help you? Well, you know, Congressman, listen, I take great issue with you, but I'm actually shocked you answered your own phone. I'm like, I mean, what's wrong with answering your own phone? I'm not a lord with a pointy hat sitting on a throne. I'm like, I answer my own phone. So I would have very interesting conversations. I regularly, when I was not in DC, I kept the schedule of nine to five in my district office. I showed up to work every day. And my staff, my chief of staff would find that so strange, being a veteran on the Hill.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  And my, even my district director who worked for Lee Selden previously for four, four terms, eight years, found that very odd. Like, sir, you don't have to be here. Do you have any events, any public agenda? I'm like, no, but I'm on paper. I'm on, I'm on the clock. I'm getting paid. So what can I do to help? And they'd sit there very uncomfortable. I mean, I'm, I'm the principal and I'm sitting there and it's a small space. And it's just like all stiff on the computer. I'm like, guys, you can act normal. Please don't pretend you're busy because if you're not busy, then that means you're ahead on the work. But if you, if you're backed up, let me help. And I did constituent work. I don't care. I totally loved it. People would walk by like, you actually show up? I'm like, yeah, come on in. You want some water?

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  I got Diet Coke in the back. I got snacks. I got the hefty stockpile of snacks on the taxpayer dime because it was for the taxpayer. What kind of snacks? Pirate Booties was a big favorite. It's like an organic puff of, I don't, I think it's an organic popcorn. I, I'm very conscious about labels. So seed oils or those things are no, no, no, no extreme dyes. So I'm like very in line with the Maha movement, right? In Congress, I compared a Danan Nutrition Facts label from America yogurt and one from Europe. Europe has five ingredients, the American one and for strawberry yogurt, the American one had everything but strawberries and like 90%. 18 ingredients, so.

• 1:32:27Tucker Carlson?

  At least.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  So I would keep a lot of pirate booties and some Hershey kisses.

• 1:32:31Tucker Carlson?

  Ooh.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Try to keep it really fun for people. I saw over here you keep dry fruit. I'm a big dry fruit guy.

• 1:32:36Tucker Carlson?

  I like dry fruit.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  I love dry fruit.

• 1:32:38Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know if it's good for you, but I like it.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Mango, dry fruit, the best. Did you ever see the brand peeled?

• 1:32:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, we've got some over there.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  It's so good. I buy that by the bags.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  I love it. I don't know that it's really good for you, but it's really high fructose for sure, but so good.

• 1:32:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I like it too much, so I know it's not good.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:56Tucker Carlson?

  Anything I like is not good.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  That's kind of me.

• 1:32:58Tucker Carlson?

  So you're going away in 24 days. I asked you off camera that I know a million people go into prison. I know more people go to prison than most people. And I always ask everybody the same, like, you don't think you deserve the sentence. You think you got screwed. In your case, I agree with you.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  I'm a first time offender.

• 1:33:16Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's, it's nuts.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  I wasn't even given those credits.

• 1:33:19Tucker Carlson?

  So why not? I mean, if they're, if the system's not going to be fair, then why do you have to play along with the system? Why don't you just split?

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  I'm proud. I'm extremely proud. I'd rather go down with the ship. Like the same way that I, I said, put up or shut up and didn't leave and then quit. I don't run. I don't split. And I could, right? And that's why they called me a flight risk and they sequestered my passports. Cause I'm a dual citizen by birth, but I was born here, but my parents are, are, you know, legal immigrants to this country and I.

• 1:33:49Tucker Carlson?

  From where?

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  Brazil.

• 1:33:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  And, and through my grandparents, I also am legally a Belgium citizen. So they sequestered my documents and all of that, and here we are. I.

• 1:34:02Tucker Carlson?

  But you never seriously considered.

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  Never.

• 1:34:04Tucker Carlson?

  Stowing away to Antwerp.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Inquire, um, reach out, the rag, reached out. I was still in office and saying that he, he had gotten a tip that I was planning to flee. And this was like, I want to say June of 2023, that he had multiple sources confirming that I had plans to flee in a private jet and I was going to split the country. And I was, I had just been indicted probably a month earlier. And I, I called my, my comms director told me this. I said, let's call this guy. I put all my lawyers on the line, put the call on speaker, called him from my office phone. I had my chief of staff, my, my communications director, my deputy chief of staff, my operations

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  director and my, my senior advisor all sitting in the room. And I said, hi, how can I help you? Oh, Congressman, this is Enquirer. I'm the chief editor forgot the loser's name could care less. Uh, and he says, I have, uh, on good authority that you're planning to flee in, in a week or two, uh, in a private jet that you arranged.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  I'm going to keep it PG here, but I said, and who told you this marvelous story? Mary Poppins? You effing inbred like, and then it went from there. And I said, I dare you to publish it. I will sue you. I will bankrupt, I will own your fucking rag. And my, my attorney is on my ear. He's like, Congressman, that's not, no, no, no, you're provoking him. And then I'm like, and furthermore, I will hunt down your entire goddamn sorry lineage. Fucking do it. I dared him, it never happened. I hung up, the entire staff goes to me and he's like, that's not how this call was supposed to go. I'm like, you know what? I'm tired of playing by whatever recommendations you guys.

• 1:35:55Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, a, a call like that from a journalist, um, is almost always inspired by a call to him from somebody else. He's doing the bidding of somebody else. They're like, DOJ is encouraging this, right? They want the story to be out there that you're considering fleeing the country so they can.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  Just like CNN was informed that I was indicted before I was.

• 1:36:16Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 1:36:18Speaker 01

  Two hours before we were notified of the indictment, my attorney, Joseph Murray, got a call from CNN saying, hey, I heard, uh, George Chancos is indicted. Uh, what, what are you doing? And he's like, I'm sorry, this is news to me. The guy goes silent. Two hours later, he's like, hey, now I know you've been notified that he's been indicted. And my attorney is like, what is going on? CNN knew two hours prior to me getting indicted.

• 1:36:41Tucker Carlson?

  So disgusting.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:36:43Tucker Carlson?

  How do you feel about it? I mean, looking at this long stretch.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  Tucker, can I be honest with you?

• 1:36:49Tucker Carlson?

  You will.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know that I survive it. They're putting me in a violent prison. It's a medium facility. I'm not a streetwise guy. I don't know how to fight. I'm a gay man. We statistics tell you what happens to gay men in prison. I don't know that I survive this. I'm being honest. I mean, I can't change that. Um, it's sad. I, you know, I have a family. I have-

• 1:37:13Tucker Carlson?

  Are you serious?

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  I am genuinely serious. You, people think I'm exaggerating when I say this. I've never had to fight a day in my life. I grew up in a very sheltered life apartment kid in New York City. I, I don't have wilderness. I mean, my experience in wilderness, let's call it, I like skiing. You know, but, but it's, it's just not me. I'm not that guy. I don't know that I survive this. I mean, I am, this could be very much my last interview. And I'm not trying to be over dramatic here. I'm just being honest with you. I look at this as practically a death sentence to what could occur to me. And we've seen this. It's not like I'm saying something out of the ordinary. I'm not, I'm not built for this. And I'm not saying, oh, don't, don't want to do the time, don't do the crime. This isn't about this.

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  I, this is about the type of punishment. The justice system is supposed to be reformative for people, not punitive. This is punitive.

• 1:38:06Tucker Carlson?

  We're supposed to dispense justice.

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  This is punitive.

• 1:38:09Tucker Carlson?

  And justice is of course absolute. Some things are absolutely right, others absolutely wrong. But it's also a relative measure. So if a rapist doesn't get seven years, then a guy who's accused of mishandling $50,000 in campaign contribution shouldn't get seven years. Like that's just doesn't, I mean, that's part of justice, right?

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  That's the crux of it.

• 1:38:27Tucker Carlson?

  Right. There's a scale of severity when we describe crimes.

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  The guy who threatened and plotted to kill Anna Luna Paulina, um, and he had three years. The guy who plotted to kill me got probation.

• 1:38:42Tucker Carlson?

  Seriously?

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  Serious. It's, it's public record. Guy down in Florida, I think Brevard County. I, I chose not to ask for like some punitive thing because he didn't actually do it or, or try, but he did devise a plan and notify me of the plan. And then that's why Capitol Police took action. And he, he didn't get any time.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  Rapists in New York City, in New York State, up in upstate New York, there was this guy who molested nine different children. That's six months. Six months. They're sending me for seven years and three months to prison in a medium facility prison with known, with people there who are known gang members and people who are rapists, sex offenders. I should at bare minimum be in a camp. I'm not saying I'm special or I deserve special treatment. It's just about, I'm not a violent person. I'm as, I am a pacifist squared. Like, I don't get into physical altercations. You can come in my face, spit. I don't have the, I don't have this urge to be violent. I'm not violent.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  I'm a total nonviolent human being. Hence, I'm also a very non-interventionist type of person when it comes to war.

• 1:39:59Tucker Carlson?

  Sue, this is like so bonkers. Um, and there's nothing you can do.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  The only thing, the only thing I can do as a human being today is pray that my pardon application or clemency application, commutation, whatever, reaches the DOJ on time and President Trump can act on it. That's literally the only thing I have.

• 1:40:17Tucker Carlson?

  Who do you think is advocating for you to do seven years? Who's whispering in the presidency or that you need to serve seven years in prison?

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  A few people.

• 1:40:24Tucker Carlson?

  Can you name any?

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  Of course. The county executive of Nassau County, Bruce Blakeman, the chairman of Nassau County, Joe Cairo, former Congressman Antony Disposito, Congressman Nick LaLota, these people hate me. It's vitriolic, it's personal.

• 1:40:38Tucker Carlson?

  But seven years in prison for a nonviolent crime?

• 1:40:40Speaker 01

  Some people said that it wasn't enough. There were people actually saying they didn't think it was enough. There was Congressman LaLota was cheering it on his social media.

• 1:40:50Tucker Carlson?

  Man, I think we should be careful before we cheer other people's destruction.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  I completely agree.

• 1:40:56Tucker Carlson?

  That's a principle we should all remember.

• 1:40:57Speaker 01

  I.

• 1:40:58Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't cheer when they shot Osama bin Laden, and I didn't like Osama bin Laden, but.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  I didn't cheer. I just.

• 1:41:03Tucker Carlson?

  I don't cheer anyone's death, period.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  I disagreed with killing Saddam Hussein. I thought it was a mistake.

• 1:41:06Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you, it turned out to be, you were right on that.

• 1:41:10Speaker 01

  And I, it was a very unpopular take at the time.

• 1:41:12Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, Iran controls the country, so.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  Very, very, very.

• 1:41:15Tucker Carlson?

  No, none of the geniuses have ever apologized to that. No, but just in general, wishing misfortune on other people, taking pleasure in the suffering of others is not, it's not a good thing to do. It's very unwise.

• 1:41:25Speaker 01

  It's just bad karma.

• 1:41:26Tucker Carlson?

  Big time.

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  Big time. The world goes around.

• 1:41:29Tucker Carlson?

  I completely agree.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  And karma comes with it and slaps you in the face. It's almost like when you're on the merry go round and you have your hand out and you're slapping people.

• 1:41:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:41:38Speaker 01

  That's karma on the world.

• 1:41:39Tucker Carlson?

  Totally agree.

• 1:41:40Speaker 01

  It's pretty bad.

• 1:41:41Tucker Carlson?

  When I was in prison, you visited me. That's what, you know, that's what we're commanded to do. So, um, do you expect to be visited and by whom?

• 1:41:47Speaker 01

  So I'm not allowed to, because I'm a high profiler, they call celebrity status. They only allow family members. Yeah. I don't know what my technology situation is right now. If I'm going to have access to technology, that's dicey. We, you know, two of my employers said that they, I can keep writing for them from prison. They don't mind. They know that I can figure it out and, you know, whatever access. And that also helps me be able to maintain myself gainfully employed to continue to support and provide for my family, which I'm a big provider for them.

• 1:42:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  I don't know. That's all up in the air. It's, they only start talking to you two weeks out. So next week is when we start to have these conversations.

• 1:42:30Tucker Carlson?

  You ever looked at prison TikTok?

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 1:42:32Tucker Carlson?

  You ever looked at prison TikTok?

• 1:42:33Speaker 01

  I have not, no.

• 1:42:34Tucker Carlson?

  I haven't either, but I was just hearing about it the other day. Apparently prisoners are all over TikTok, recording their thoughts and music videos and stuff from prison.

• 1:42:42Speaker 01

  The last thing I want to do is get caught with a phone and add more time.

• 1:42:44Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right. Last question, are you, what are you doing to prepare psychologically?

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  I've tried everything. I went off, I went on a hiatus. I haven't done media until last week when Mandami, I was on a six week media hiatus and Chanel Rion from OAN had me to, I love Chanel. And I said, you know what? I'll give you one last, we'll do a last one, right? And then when one of your production folks called me, I said, I answered the phone and I said her name. And she's like, you have my phone number saved. I'm like, of course I would. I don't want to say her name because I don't want to dox her. So she's like, can you do it? I'm like, look, I can do it.

• 1:43:25Tucker Carlson?

  The last time you agreed to do my show, it didn't go well.

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  I told her that, by the way.

• 1:43:29Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  So I said, no fill-ins, right? No surprises. But all kidding aside, she was wonderful.

• 1:43:36Tucker Carlson?

  She's the best.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  And we found, this was Sturzen, and here we are today, Monday.

• 1:43:39Tucker Carlson?

  It's because I was having this conversation with somebody who knows you, who was right here in this barn like last week and. George Santos, I was talking to George Santos, I said, how's George Santos doing? And he's doing seven years. I was like, what?

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:51Tucker Carlson?

  Couldn't even, I'm so out of it and I'm just, and I've been so focused on Iran and I'm embarrassed. I didn't fully get it. Seven years federal?

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Tucker Carlson?

  Which means like seven years.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:01Tucker Carlson?

  And I said to this person, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:04Tucker Carlson?

  It is. Has this gotten a lot of attention?

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  Not really, no. I haven't, I mean, the day I got sentenced, they, they wrote little, you know, oh, he sobbed in court. You damn right, I sobbed in court. Seven years of my life. I mean, a big thing, I'm 36, I'm going to be 37 on July 22nd and three days later I have to turn myself into federal prison for seven years.

• 1:44:25Tucker Carlson?

  So, once the pinata party's over, once they've, you know, finished destroying you, knocking the stuffing out of you, they just, it's just, no one cares what happens next. Your name is never spoken again. Well, we'll be here and I, I hope you, you know, are rescued before you have to serve the time. And I hope that if you're not, that it's redemptive and I hope either way you'll come back.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  I appreciate it. Thank you.

• 1:44:46Tucker Carlson?

  George Santos, good to see you.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  Tucker Carlson, thank you for having me.

• 1:44:53Tucker Carlson?

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