Fan Favorite: Jay Glazer on Turning Anxiety Into a Superpower

If you’ve been watching Jay on camera over the years, you might find it hard to believe that, under the surface, he lives with an almost daily struggle with anxiety and depression. But he doesn’t let it keep him down or stop him dead in his tracks - instead he uses it as fuel for his relentless drive and motivation. In today’s interview, we go deep on the importance of loyalty, being of service, and the importance of learning to build yourself up from the inside out, rather than looking for validation only from the outside. If you’ve ever struggled with anxiety and depression and felt like you had to “fake it” to get through the day, this one’s for you. ORIGINAL AIR DATE: 1-25-22 Likewise, I especially recommend that you check out Jay’s new book, Unbreakable: How I Turned My Depression and Anxiety into Motivation and You Can Too: https://amzn.to/33CWuXf SHOW NOTES: 00:00 | Introduction 01:22 | What Drove Jay to Endure Years of Hardship 06:44 | Authenticity, Loyalty, and Helping Others 09:52 | What “The Gray” and “The Blue” Mean to Jay 19:52 | Jay’s Journey to Find Happiness 27:59 | Merging Vets and Players 34:04 | The Origins of Jay’s New Book 39:39 | Helping Others Not Feel Alone in Their Struggle 43:40 | The Balance Between Toughness and Caring CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://landroverUSA.com https://landroverusa.com Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out. Goldback: Goldbacks are currency for now, and for the future, get yours at https://alpinegold.com/shop-precious-metals/ref/impact RoboForm: Protect yourself and get 60% off your first year with RoboForm at https://www.roboform.com/lp?frm=promo-discount-50&affid=tbily https://www.roboform.com/lp?frm=promo-discount-50&affid=tbily Follow Jay Glazer: Twitter: https://twitter.com/JayGlazer Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayglazer/ Support MVP (Merging Vets and Players) here: https://vetsandplayers.org https://vetsandplayers.org/ Order your copy of Unbreakable here: https://amzn.to/3qrXhDa What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT atwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:07Speaker 01

  You're different. Different is good. Different leads to success. Like, don't be a face of the crowd. Be the fucking crowd. Let's be our own damn crowd. So that's one of our matches. And same like our football players. We're seeing too many of them go by the wayside right now. Because when their uniform comes off, they're like, oh, man, I used to play in the NFL. I'm trying to shift that. No. Dude, you played in the NFL. And you playing in the NFL is not who you are. What's behind your rib cage? They got you to put those hours in and outwork the world, but not by a little, by a lot, and, you know, beat out millions upon millions upon millions to play on this level? That's who the fuck you are. That suddenly just doesn't leave when your uniform comes off. But who reminds him of that?

• 1:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Jay Glazer, welcome to the show, man.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Thank you, man. Appreciate you having me. I know we got a lot of mutual friends there, so it's pretty cool that our paths cross like this.

• 2:03Tom Bilyeu?

  We do, and I'm very excited to do it. And I read the book Unbreakable. It is absolutely extraordinary. You actually made me emotional several times. Yeah, it caught me a little off guard, if I'm honest. And I-

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Literally, don't judge a book by its cover, right?

• 2:19Tom Bilyeu?

  No joke, man. That obviously takes on some pretty serious implications as you read the book and begin to learn your struggles with anxiety and depression. But first, I want to start with the Unbreakable side. You've achieved just the absolute highest levels of success in your area. It's really unbelievable, very impressive, the career that you've had. But I didn't know the 10 years of struggle that led up to it. And I'd love to start there, because I think that, as somebody who really prizes relationships, playing the long game, your career is a beacon of hope for a lot of people to do things the right way. And so it's really exciting to hear, and this sounds terrible, but it's really

• 3:01Tom Bilyeu?

  exciting to hear that it was actually really, really hard for you, and that you still stuck it out. So tell us a little bit about why you were prepared to endure the level of suffering and rejection, instead of just getting a normal day job.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  You know, it's crazy, because now I look back, now I know why. And the why was my depression and anxiety. But because of my grave, because of my darkness, I don't know how it is to wake up and like myself or love myself, and from the inside out. Like, I wake up like this. It's every day of my life, and it fucking sucks. It is just the truth of it. And so as a result of me not knowing how to kind of build myself from the inside out, I had to go do everything that I could to try to get some love from the outside in. That makes sense. So yeah, so those first 10 years of my career, man, living in New York City, and you're right, adversity is a gift. And it gets you-

• 3:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Why do you say it's a gift?

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Because you find out who you are. And because nothing, like, nothing happens by doing things that are easy. Like, listen- I I've trained a lot of football players in in I started MMA cross training program for this for for uh when I stopped fighting for NFL players and I've just give them like this simple thing hey man find out who the best is and do more than them that's it right you want to be the best find out what Tom Brady does do more than them find and I used to tell players this all the time they're like oh we can't do that like well you don't want to be great that's what it is so that's the adversity part you got to outwork the world and and one of the things my dad taught me early was if you want your dreams come true be loyal and

• 4:41Speaker 01

  loyalty is a dying art and a lost art but be the most loyal dude on the planet and outwork the world and so for me yeah I I finally got a break if you will to cover the Giants in 93 which is four years after I started making zero money um and I walked in that giant locker room and I'm like a couple things one like damn I I'm not more talented than anybody in here I don't have the education nowhere near than anybody else does in here and I don't have the experience but how could I be different right and different is scary for a lot of people it's not for me so how could I be different and one of those is man I'm gonna if these cats

• 5:23Speaker 01

  work nine to five I'm not gonna outwork them by a little I'll outwork them by a lot and I went I would go there seven in the morning eight in the morning whatever it is until 10 o'clock at night like I wouldn't stop and actually I was so broke straight and drove me back in the city every day for seven years whatever it was because I didn't have enough money to go from the subway and the bus out to Giant Stadium and back so he would drive me and he lived in Jersey but he drove me in every single day for years so I own like you know 28 grand in Lincoln Tunnel fare um but I said I'll be the last dude standing in here Right. And like whoever says quitting is not an option, it's the biggest moron in the world

• 6:05Speaker 01

  because it's an option every day, right? It just sits on your shoulder every day. And the other thing was, man, how could I be different than them? I think back then, a lot of reporters use their pen as a weapon. I was, I said, you know what? I'm gonna start relationships. And I'm gonna build relationships. I'm not gonna go for the scoop. I'm gonna go for the relationships. And that was harder because it was going against the grain and the norm. And now, everything's built on relationships. That's how you do it. But I had a, endure the years where I just got crushed by my cohorts for having relationships. And a lot of them chilled me and Strahan for having our relationship, used to make fun of us. And well-

• 6:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Because you're a journalist, he's a player, you guys aren't supposed to friend-ize.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Not supposed to be friends, right? But look, we're just in sports, okay? We're not that important. We're not covering the Middle East, we're not covering like real stuff. Like, let's not take ourselves too seriously here. And you're right, we're not, the rules, you're not supposed to, but I looked at it like, well, I'm gonna build relationships. Cause my job is to get scoops with those relationships. Those scoops will come. If I just take a scoop and burn a guy forever? Well, that's short sighted. I'd, you said the long game. I'd rather have the long game and, and have these relationships.

• 7:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Jay, this is really unusual though. So, you know, as I'm reading your book, it, I have the, the privilege, I guess, of reading it from knowing that you end up being successful. But if you were to hear in those early days, like one of the great stories in the book is that Strahan, twice, offered to loan you money. He's like, I know you're good for it. And you shut him down-

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Saying it, like, yeah. Like, not only did I tell him, like, I jumped his shit. Hey motherfucker, don't you ever offer me something like that again. I got that. Don't you ever, and like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, that's like, I'll do this. This is on me.

• 7:51Tom Bilyeu?

  To me, you live by a code. And I'm often asked, you know, what does it mean to live life well? And one of the things that I always tell people is you need to have a code. There needs to be some set of rules, beliefs, whatever, about how you think things ought to be done. And so few people have a code, and even if they have a code sticking- With the code would be very hard and you open the book telling the story of stray hand trying to use the bathroom in your low rent apartment and he had to hold the string to use the restroom. And it was one, it was a powerful reminder of that phase in my own life of where you can, you know, you can't, I, there was a time where I couldn't pay all my bills at once. And so, you know, you're like really juggling things and it's one thing to have a code when things are going

• 8:36Tom Bilyeu?

  well. But what I, I want to know is you were so young and so broke for so long. Why did the code matter to you so much to stick with it?

• 8:45Speaker 01

  You just gotta be authentic to who you are. That's just, it's who I am.

• 8:49Tom Bilyeu?

  How'd you become that? Did you create that? Just the way you are?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  It's just how I, yeah, I've always been like throughout my life, I've always been a person that tried to solve everybody's problems, try to lift people up and probably because I couldn't deal with my own inner problems, right? So I've always been that guy. And the way I kind of look at this, this could be a little morbid, if you will, but I look at the world and people like, my loyalty will be so high that I'm going to treat people like I'm going to be their pallbearer. Right? That's your top five or six people. And that's it. I'll be your pallbearer. And if I can get 10% of the people I'm with to treat me back the same, I got a pretty good little mafia that I'm

• 9:35Speaker 01

  walking with. And, you know, and I say it like this, I still get hurt by the other 90% because I don't understand why we all won't do this for each other. And, you know, I don't, I don't do things for my friends expecting something back. Right? And that's why I think, you know, loyalty, the art of loyalty, man, how can I help someone? How, because it helps me to help other people. It helps me cut through my own gray, but you're. You're hoping that other people are thinking about you independently also without ever having to ask. They do, they do, they don't, they don't. But I think if all of us do that a lot more for each other, we're not just thinking about, hey, how can I get by? How can I move myself up?

• 10:17Speaker 01

  How can I do this? The world would be a much better place and we'd all be able to stress a little less. But I think too many people just kind of take care of themselves and look at, hey, how can I help me? I'm just not wired that way. How can I help you and at least in the moment that I helped you and I lifted you up, that lifted me through my grief a little bit.

• 10:40Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. So we should probably define this idea of the gray and the slivers of blue. I think it's, it's, it makes a lot of sense to me that the being loyal and being there for people and trying to help them and elevate them would work certainly. So I've struggled with anxiety tremendously. And what I find is on the days that are the hardest, if I can do something where it forces me to be high energy, to be helpful, to engage, to try to be of service, that it really... Luxury brands are not charging you more for better cashmere. You're paying for the storefront, the ad budget, the name on the tag, but Quince cuts all of that out. They work directly with

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• 13:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:23Tom Bilyeu?

  And you do an extraordinary job of detailing that in the book. So what is the gray and what is the blue?

• 13:30Speaker 01

  The blue, I'm still trying to figure out.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  The gray is it's what I wake up in every day. So gray is depression and anxiety. And for me, ADD, I got everything. I got ADD, yellow metal, green shit, I got everything. But it's, uh, the gray is depression and, uh, I think in the book I say it's equally messed up twin sister anxiety. And they got their own schedule.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  They make the rules a lot. Like I just brought up stray hand here. Um, and I don't know what your anxiety attacks are like, but mine are, they, they range, but sometimes I find myself actually, I have a lot of anxiety attacks. On the air, going on the air, which is weird because I feel really great like in a gym, in a cage, when people are punching and kicking me, my teammates, I'm golden. On camera, I'm great. The rest of the world, I struggle. Like, I'm great in chaos, I suck in calm. And a lot of times I'll create chaos when it's not necessary because I'm just, I don't feel worthy of the calm.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  And that's what the gray does. So sometimes, my gray, I'll literally be on camera.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  I call it wrestling with my abuser. I get a little, I get a little emotional talking about it because it does, it sucks. Like, I'm like, damn, this is like, I don't deserve this shit. I didn't sign up for it either. So I can't ever stop fighting against it. So I'll sit there sometimes on TV, talking to myself while I'm talking to you at home with this fake smile that I have on, trying to pull myself out of it when I'm actually like, please, just let me go. Like, leave me alone. Like, let me, let me just, please, not now. Like, and I just start sweating and, and the gray itself is how I kind of, I wake up in the morning thinking the sky is falling,

• 15:27Speaker 01

  not worthy of being loved, so everybody must hate me, people must be against me. And it's not true, it's not real. But that's what it feels like. And it's a physical thing for me, too. Like, I feel it behind my rib cage, and I feel it on the left side of my gut. You hear about, right, you feel something in your gut or gut punching. That's how I feel. And it, so I was talking about Strahan, a couple of weeks ago,

• 15:51Speaker 01

  I had a, man, anxiety and depression. I usually don't get woken up by them. But this one woke me up in the middle of the night and, man, it just, it kicked my ass. And I told Michael, I said, hey, and this isn't a book, because this just happened two months ago. We were supposed to have dinner. I said, hey, dude, man, I can't have dinner tonight.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  He said, what's up? I said, man, I just had one of these, I had one of these gray days, man, this thing just got me. And I just need to get some sleep. And he's like, you want me to come over? I said, nah. And he said, you want to talk about it? I said, nah, I'm, I'm good. And in 30 years we've been friends, that's the first time I've ever told him that I was struggling today.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  First time, thirty years, and he says to me, why have you never told me? I said, I don't make up the rules of this shit. For some reason, I had shame with you, maybe because we're so competitive. And here's my best friend, and yet I'm able to write it in a book and tell the world, but I couldn't tell him. And if had I, I would have had somebody to turn to for the last thirty years about this that I could talk to. But again, I don't make the rules of this shit. And what I have realized, and I want all your, your, your viewers and listeners to know. When I have opened up to him and other people in the most dudely of sports, you know, football and fighting, it has gotten us so much closer together. It's bonded us in such a way.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  So, yeah, it's, it's crazy how, um, the shame, if you will, you know, kind of takes over. And then what you were talking about, you know, having this, you know, kind of go, go, go. So when you see me on TV, a lot of it is like, man, I'm trying to pull myself up, up out of it. So I have this larger than life personality, um, which the depression and anxiety led me to. And thank God, because it's led me to where I am. But the larger than life personality is to pull myself up and out of it. A lot of time is to mask the pain and it's, it's painful. And it's like, one of my friends the other day called me and he said, uh, Jux said, man, we always knew you were crazy. You didn't know you were in pain.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  And now I'm able to talk to people about the pain that, and I literally, I texted these words to Michael three days ago for the first time, actually, now that I think about it. Even this, like, I, I, man, I just, I texted it to him three days ago, just about being in the, living in this pain. And it used to get me, because of the pain, it used to be that, it used to get me to have a lot of outbursts. And I had a lot of trouble and I did a lot of things I'm not proud of. I'm a fucked up flawed human being. And it's because of this pain, like, I, I love everybody, but I, I'm in a lot of pain. So I do, things are not great for me and others. And, you know, I'm not perfect and I'm, I'm working on myself. Um, so the blue.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Like you were saying about, I'm trying, and this book is a prescriptive, prescriptive book, about how to get us all through the gray to the blue. And by the way, level of gray is different. Like, my level's deep. We all got something nowadays, especially with social media. We're comparing ourselves to everybody else's filtered fraction of a second. It's bullshit. We all feel left out, right? How do you not? Most successful people in the world are like, damn, my life sucks that all these people are doing it. It's just, so, I mean, it's hard for when people going after their dreams and they think that others have gotten theirs, it's not true. And here I am telling you, I'm the top of the world, and I still don't know how to feel it on the inside.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  So, that and the shit we see on Twitter, the bad, um, man, just the amount of hate, like, the human condition's not meant for that, right? So, whatever level you're at here of, of gray, if you will, this book is prescriptive, and the three things are being of service, we just talked about, and there's a lot in the book of how you could be of service. You don't need to have money to be of service. Um, it could be of service on several different levels, but that gives me a break from the gray, and I see blue like, like I, I feel all the time like, like a black and white TV show, right? The gray, like, I love this, like, that's how my life, that's how I see my life, from the inside out.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  I don't get to see the rainbows and unicorns and the beautiful sky that a lot of other people get to see when I'm of service to people, like, doing this right now. It lifts me up, because I know you and I are gonna touch some people, and that will, will pull me up, um, out of some of that darkness. And what I gotta do by this, and then also laughter helps me a ton, because the gray hates laughter, and that's why you see me on TV all the time, always joking around. When I'm having a panic or an anxiety attack on TV, I will try and crack a joke. The sooner I can laugh, the more it goes away. And I may force a joke, I may just let, it may not, it helps me. Um, and that's where I have a whole practical joke chapter, which, you know, this is the,

• 21:01Speaker 01

  is the perils of being friends with Jay Glazer. Um, and then having a team, and, you know, having a team helps me. When I've been limited in my team... Because I wasn't so open about this as I am now. So now like, man, I'm able to to build this team with you and everybody else in the world that we can literally walk this walk together. Um, that gets me to see through the gray a little bit more. And I I'm working on um, feeling like I'm worthy of the blue and I deserve it and um, string it together.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Days of it. And when I like, when I have a good, and I said a rendezvous barber recently, I said, man, today was a good day. And I think great things are about to happen. And I immediately said, I go, I said, with this book, great things are about to happen because I'm gonna help people. And immediately, I was like, oh, fuck, no, no, I just, I just fuck myself. Now, now all the gray is here to come and and fight back harder. And that put me in a hole for about a week by saying that I deserve something good to happen. I got stuck in a dark hole.

• 22:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Jay, this is, this is the part of your story that is so difficult to comprehend. So I understand people that live in the gray, and it just feels like the world is crashing down around them. And this is why I found the book so powerful. So I understand that. I understand people who don't have to struggle with that and therefore can dream big and be successful. What, what makes the title of your book, Unbreakable, so perfect is that you have this gray crashing down around you, and yet you still find a way to have these big dreams, even when you're not able to say to yourself, I'm gonna be like, good things are gonna happen to me. But you still fucking drive, man. Like,

• 22:48Tom Bilyeu?

  and and this is, if you can help people understand this, of how things can look like they are stacked against you, right? You talk about this with the veterans that you work with, um, in the Unbreakable training, uh, MVP.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Merging veterans.

• 23:03Tom Bilyeu?

  So through that.

• 23:06Tom Bilyeu?

  And helping them reframe like, yes, something bad has happened to you. Yes, you're in pain, but like, you can sit and wallow around in that, or you can do something. How did you train yourself to do that? I mean, we're talking about a journey that started, like you said, 30 years ago. Dude, mental health could not be talked about 30 years ago. It was like an insta pass to being shunned. And so how did you put a strategy together and see it through under all of that?

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Well, it was just the like my depression and anxiety motivated me because I always had that thought of.

• 23:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Cause you were like, fuck this, like I'm gonna.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  And if I do this and this and this, maybe this will bring me happiness. If I do this, maybe this will bring me happiness. So it was my journey for happiness. And what I've really learned is it can't come from the outside. It's got to come from the inside out. And that's what this journey is for me now. Like I've got to learn to love myself from the inside out. It doesn't work. Like I can't just go get Fox interval Sunday and be fucking the happiest guy in the world. Like it's got to come from here. And that's why the motivation for me was convincing myself, man, if I go, if I become rich, if I become famous, if I become this, all, all this shit's going to go away and it, and it does.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  And then part of my struggles too, there's a lot of us out there who are antidepressant, anti-anxiety medication resistant. So I've been on, I've tried 30 something different.

• 24:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Medications over the years and none have worked. Um, like none. And like Vicodin had worked for me. And that was before, that was before the opioid crisis. And I was like, wait, I play a sport of pain. Like I was fighting, I was like, hey, take these. Oh, fuck. Yeah, it feels good. And then realized, okay.

• 24:49Tom Bilyeu?

  And that helped with your depression?

• 24:51Speaker 01

  That will make it feels good. And then until it doesn't, until you go, until you act like more of an asshole to people. Because it, yeah, the roommates in your head did not play along nicely with each other. But you're looking for any sort of break from the pain and there are painkillers.

• 25:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Did you end up struggling with addiction?

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Not addiction, but I've been coach for a long time. Like I started in the nineties. We didn't know any better. Like I was doing mixed martial arts in the early days. Hey, it's a game, it's a game of pain, painkillers. Sounds good to me. Like, made a lot of sense to me.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  But it did cause me a lot of problems when I went out. But yeah, it would, it would dull the pain for me of the gray, short term, but cause more long-term problems. Especially in my behavior and my outbursts and me, me, Vicodin and alcohol and these are not a good combination at all. And like, my Mike, you know, for

• 25:54Speaker 01

  for a dude like me who, who

• 26:00Speaker 01

  who really thinks like, man, it's so hard to be my friend and my friends are getting people, I'm too much for my crew. I've done a lot of fucked up shit over the years and here they are still with me. You know, like,

• 26:14Speaker 01

  and I get choked up because it's like, sometimes I realize when I say it, things like that, like, damn, maybe I'm not as bad as I thought. Like, they're still with me. Like these stray hands and these constant Schwartz, you know, and Mike Merini and like Andrew Whitworth of the world, man, these people are still by my side. Despite me having these blowups, the Randy Couture's, the Chuck Liddell's, despite me having these meltdowns, they're still there. So, maybe I'm not as bad as I think, but it takes things like that for me to, I don't know why it just hit me so hard right there, it did, but, because I don't, I don't talk about the drug side of it. Barely ever. So, yeah, they've been out with me with a lot of manic moments, if you will, caused by that. So,

• 26:59Speaker 01

  it's, and I had a, I've had a curb.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  But that's the motivation of, of Ben. I'm trying to find, I'm trying to find the outside love so much. Where it gives me enough of a break where I can kind of be on this ledge here as I'm working on how to love myself from the inside out. Like, I'm worthy. The universe is not against me. And the sky is not falling, hasn't fallen all this time yet. I wake up every day feeling like it's going to. And a lot of people, successful or not, have that same fear, but no one talks about it. I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna talk about it. I'm gonna put it all out there for us. So we are like, literally, I said, we walk this walk together.

• 27:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, the aggression that you have comes across in the book, and I have to imagine that that has served you well. There is something, when you look at people that really achieve the kind of outsized success that you've achieved, there's oftentimes a pain point. It could be dyslexia and feeling like you're dumb and everybody's making fun of you. And so you overshoot things. It could be growing up in the inner cities, like looking at what Jay-Z has done. You know, it's like, the inner cities break, most of the people that it touches, but the people that get out, they really hit escape velocity. Depression, same thing, you know. You're probably paying two salespeople to do one salesperson's job. That's where today's sponsor, Pipe Drive, comes in. An intelligent, AI-powered sales CRM loved by

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• 29:01Tom Bilyeu?

  payment needed. Just head to pipedrive.com/impact to get started. Again, that's pipedrive.com/impact and you can be up and running in minutes. Destroys most of the people that it touches, but then there's occasionally somebody like you where you're able to focus enough aggression to get beyond it and you come up with these tools and tactics. And for people that that don't know all of your background, which is freakishly well-rounded, so obviously very recognizable for the commentary that you do on Fox for the NFL. I didn't know the depths to which though you were involved in mixed martial arts. And so that is very interesting to me and how much you're using

• 29:46Tom Bilyeu?

  that to help players and veterans who have, as you say, lost their tribe. They, you know, transition out of sports, they go from having this big group, or they transition out of the military, they have this whole group around them and an ethos that carries them. And now they're, you know, in an isolation game, which is like the worst thing for somebody struggling. And as you bring them together, you bring them together over fighting, which I think is really interesting. And there's something out of the book I want to quote. This really hit me out that this was really powerful. And you were talking about how to become a warrior. You said, this is how we create warriors. You have it all in you. One, find out who is the best and do more than them. Talked about that earlier. Two,

• 30:27Tom Bilyeu?

  be relentless. Three, push your breaking point, push your breaking point, push your breaking point, push your breaking point. Four, neutral face. Don't ever show you're hurt or tired. And five, it's your honor to fight hurt. And I was like, dude, there's something about that, like, go hard, fucking don't, don't take it, don't take it from yourself, don't take it from anybody else. Like, you can't, you can't be weak. Like, you've really got to push through. And there were a couple of times, like, you were saying, like, I get hard on people that I know are contemplating suicide or whatever. And I'm not trying to villainize that. But like, there is a moment where you just have to fucking say, like, you gotta get tough, you've gotta push through this. And I'm very curious.

• 31:14Tom Bilyeu?

  When you came to that, was it something you found early? Why is that universal? Like, is, because you seem to use that, I mean, from Demi Lovato, who obviously did not begin as a train fighter, though I'm sure after a time with you. Like, there's some pretty unexpected people.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  She can fight, trust me, she can fight.

• 31:30Tom Bilyeu?

  She knocked one of your teeth out, if I remember.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Wild little fucker, yeah, she got my teeth with a spinning elbow that I taught her. And, you know, we, we're not supposed to do that to each other in the cage. And all of a sudden, wow, I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. And then, yeah, I knocked my tooth out and she was so proud of herself. And then she's like, I'm sorry. I'm like, you're not sorry? And then, you know, obviously she did a whole sorry, not sorry thing. But yeah, it's interesting. The thing you're talking about, the unbreakable mindset, right? Find that warrior. That's what I use for our athletes. Okay, that's the athletes. The other part, the MVP part, which, um, you know, we take former combat vets and former first NFL players, but now expirers, Olympians, NBA, NHL, MLB, anything. We put them together because one of my things in here is you gotta have a team, right?

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Well, when that uniform comes off and you lose your team, that's scary as shit. That's when the roommates in your head really start talking to each other. So I said, man, I know they didn't do the same job, but combat vets, they look up to pro athletes. Pro athletes look up to combat vets. Let's build a new team, put them on a new team and let them build each other up. It's peer on peer counseling, if you will. And I use a lot of the stuff in this book to, as, as our mantras and as our teachings. And I learned a lot from them in our talks. So we train together for about a half hour, just to give you a burn. Then after, we have these hour, hour and a half mental health tunnels. We just sit there and we just talk our shit out, open up. And like for our vets, like they're ingrained not to have individuality and they're great not to talk about it.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  So how are you supposed to get through the transition if you don't talk about what you've done? Everybody else lies on their resume. Combat Vets, don't talk about their resume. Well, it's hard to get through the transition if you won't talk about yourself. And so it's one of the things, yeah, I kind of get on about it like, hey, and you know, they have all these like, you go overseas and you do incredible things. You've saved people and you have grace under fire, courage under pressure. And then they come back over here and they're like, oh, I'm different. Oh, I don't belong. I don't. And I'm like, no, fuck that. You're different. Different is good. Different leads to success. Like, don't be a face of the crowd. Be the fucking crowd. Let's be our own damn crowd. So that's one of our matches and same like our football players.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  We're seeing too many of them go by the wayside right now. Um, cause when their uniform comes off, they're like, oh man, I used to play in the NFL. I'm trying to shift that. No, dude, you played in the NFL. And you playing the NFL is not who you are. What's behind your rib cage? They got you to put those hours in and outwork the world, but not by a little, by a lot. And, you know, beat out millions upon millions upon millions to play on this level? That's who the fuck you are. That suddenly just doesn't leave when your uniform comes off. But who reminds them of that? So I put them together so they can remind each other of that. And yes, you've got to, you gotta be around. Suicide cannot be an option for us.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Cause you know, I know you're in pain, but then you're leaving your pain and putting it on us. Like, don't do that. You gotta stick around for us as much as it sucks and hurts. And like, we've got a lot of members attempt suicide that they now have it since they're the part MVP. And every single one of them has saved somebody since. So like, you never know what lies around next Tuesday. But if you hold on, like, you could do something that can impact somebody else so greatly. And then the people that they save, they might end up saving 10 people, 100 people, 1,000 people, 100,000 people.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  I've gotten saved. So, you know, I'm able to, and I say save, I'm, I'll never get to the point where I will kill myself. Man, I get to the point where I'm like, man, I hope something takes me out. And if...

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Something like that happened. If I didn't, like in the end, you saw my like my last chapter, I'm on a gurney in Cedar Sinai, is both my lungs aspirated. If I just gave up there, there'd be a lot of people who wouldn't be with us right now. Right? So I've got to make sure that I'm there for everybody. And I can, I can promise you this. Um, man, our, our crew, we've had this in our, our huddle. You'll see, you read in the book, right about those have made that, unfortunately have that decision. I guarantee you, they're in whatever afterlife you believe of, believe in, guarantee you they're not up there seeing everybody cry like, yes,

• 35:58Speaker 01

  they're up there like, oh my God, what did I do? No, no. So I point this out to our group and say, this is your chance to have a, I, I bet you they wish they can have a take back now. Well, this is your opportunity to have a take back. Those of you who attempted it, this is what you would have left behind. And you get to see it firsthand. I know you don't want to leave that behind. So it's really made a huge impact. So that's the MVP part. And I know that that's a lot. We're in seven cities right now. Uh, we had three Zooms a week. Um, and it's me, again, me just grinding and my crew trying to raise money and, and it's free for all vets and combat vets and, um, active duty, uh, military or in combat zones and, uh, pro athletes also. So we're in

• 36:41Speaker 01

  seven cities. That's vetsandplayers.org is our, our website for that. So I'll take a little breather there because then the other part was, was the unbreakable part. Um,

• 36:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, to me, it's, it, I read the book feeling like the two things were interconnected. And I'm curious if you see it that way. So the, the book obviously begins with, you know, how hard your career, what, well, I mean, first you set us up with the gray and then you talk about, you know, look, I, I really struggled for a long time to make it. You detail things out. It is so inspiring to see how hard it was and how long it took you, but how you live by that code. You were super consistent. And throughout the book, you do a couple of times where you're like, okay, here are the keys to success in this. You talked about some of those earlier. And then you get into this warrior mentality and how we can all build that inside of ourselves. And if I remember right, that was tied to this, you know, where people are struggling.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, that was tied to the gym. So it was, it was funny because when I first did the book, Well, people have asked me to do a book, being the NFL insider for years, like, oh my God, the secrets you must have, and I'm like, yeah, I'm putting that shit out. I'm not looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life. And I'll probably put out 1% of what I know on the air, because it's also build relationships. I don't want to burn people, so I want to continue to have the most inside information as anybody else. And if someone deserves to get burned, they deserve to get burned. For the most part, we're, you know, we're, I'm not trying to look at and screw someone over because I know something dicey on them.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  But, you know, this, so I'm at an event for a friend of mine, Mike Baer, who just wrote a book, and

• 38:24Tom Bilyeu?

  I know him well.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  And so Dr. Phil was there, and I think Dr. Phil threw the party, and all these people were there, and this woman walks over, these three women walk over to me, Jan Lacy and Carrie, and they said, okay, we don't know who you are. Everybody in this room is talking about you, but we cannot figure out what you do. Like, you're an actor? I said, no, no. And she goes, yeah, you're on Ballers with The Rock. I go, yeah, that's, but I'm not an actor, I'm just playing my normal dickhead self, and that's because I'm friends with Dwayne. Well, okay, but you're a trainer at MMH for Demi Lovato? Yeah, okay, okay. No, but you're a vet? I said, no, I'm not a vet, but I have charity that's helped a lot of vets, and that's what I'm most proud of. But, and then Dr. Phil walks over and he says, hey, the Cowboys are going to re-sign Dak Prescott, or what?

• 39:09Speaker 01

  And they're kind of looking at him like, why are you asking the guy with the veterans and Demi and the Baller guy that? Like, no, I do the NFL, and they go, all right, your shit's so confusing. Can we buy you a drink? And I said, yeah, I'll take a Sauvignon Blanc. They go, well, we didn't expect that either. They ended up being my literary agents, and Jan Miller and Lacy Lynch, and Carrie Thornton was the publisher, they were like, we need to do this book, especially when I started talking about MDP and how many lives we're saving and powering over there. I said, we'll do it. So, but I always said, like, how am I going to do a book because I got Six different careers going on because I've always done these crazy outlandish things to try

• 39:52Speaker 01

  to find the rainbow and just try and find the blue. So I've always had to go do, push myself more and more. And in that book, you know, Unbreakable, we have the number one gym in the world. And that's what the name Unbreakable came from, my gym, where again, we're trying to push your breaking points. And there's two things about Unbreakable, a couple of things Unbreakable are really unique. One, we train you as a team, right? I talk a lot about teams. And as a result, we're the only gym in America, we got zero mirrors in the gym. None. Because I don't want anybody's back turned to the rest of the team looking at themselves. We're in this together. And you'll have Demi Lovato working out with Sylvester Stallone and Wiz Khalifa coming over here doing this, and the head of this

• 40:37Speaker 01

  company over here, and head of this company doing there, and this person doing, and like, it's just the weirdest shit you've ever seen. But we are a group, we're a team. And I say, hey, you got a fight team. It's a scary world out there now. And I give you like, man, I build good communities and a great locker room. So I'm like, I'm gonna put a therapist in here, because I'm telling you, we're gonna build you from the inside out. That needs to be in mind, body, and soul. But this Unbreakable mindset, okay, it's how I live life, it's how I coach our athletes to play, it's how I fight. And the moment I make the decision to get out of bed every day, which is a hard one for me, like, gray keeps me in bed, it's hard. And somebody just asked me this recently, like, how are you able

• 41:20Speaker 01

  to go after life? And it's hard for you to get out of bed. The moment I make that decision, I get out of bed, like, yeah, I am gonna be so relentless in everything I do. And look, I'm not, I'm a little five foot seven Jewish guy, man, I got everything against me physically. So I, what I don't, what I don't lack is that relentlessness of, man, I will push my breaking point so much. That's how I push my breaking point. I look back and I go, man, I can't believe that used to be hard for me two weeks ago, three weeks ago, four months ago. And now I know I have more in the tank. But also, like the way we train, I do not stop. I don't stop. I don't stop. I don't stop. Until somebody goes, holy shit, get him off me.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Right? And, and talk about our neutral face.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  And it's the complete opposite how I want everybody to be in life. So this is for athletics. I don't want anybody to show it. In life, I want you to talk about everything. It's one big, you know, it's,

• 42:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Why does talking work so well? That, that one, while I agree, it feels counterintuitive.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  It not for this stuff. Well, I'm like talking to you right now. It's fucking therapy session for me. It's great. Like, the more we can talk, because we share, it bonds us. Because you probably have something that's going on also a lot that resonates with you, and you're not going to feel so alone. You may not, it's probably things that you won't share with other people. You're afraid to share, A, for shame, or being judged, or I don't know if someone's going to like this. And all of a sudden, we share it, well, that's that team, right? We're bonding over something. You're not as alone. You get to hear it, maybe say to yourself, I was always afraid to say that. Nah, I don't have to be so afraid. Because I'm not alone. I'm not the only one. I'm not the only one who thinks that. I'm not the only one who fears that.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  But the other part is, like, again, back to the athletics part.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Our fighters cannot take a stool in between rounds. I want them pacing back and forth, pacing back and forth. I want, you know, their opponents to look at them like, why the fuck is Randy Couture not sitting down? Like, what's wrong with him?

• 43:23Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a great story in the book.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Great, right? How is he not hurt? And, man, I will just, like, our guys can't take us, no hands on our hips. I say neutral face, because I want,

• 43:36Speaker 01

  I want to see, like, when someone breaks, when you break someone in athletics and sports, in fighting or football, you could hear it. It's awesome. There's nothing like it. When I break somebody else's will, there is nothing freaking like it. You could, it's like a branch breaks for a twig. You could hear it and feel it. And, you know, I tell all our football players all the time. Man, if you're, you can do three-minute rounds with a one-minute break with us, and you don't show it, you damn sure could do a six-second round or seven-second round in the NFL field with a one-minute break. And the moment you turn around, you see someone, I see someone gasping, I see someone with their hands under their nose. I see someone doing that. I forget I'm tired. I start sharpening my weapons even more and then I start becoming

• 44:20Speaker 01

  more relentless and ramping up, ramping up. So they'll beat my ass in the first round or two. We still got a couple of rounds to go and eventually every one of them, they're gonna go, I did not sign up for this. Like I, and, and, you know, I tell us all, tell them all, that game starts, that cage door locks. You better make that guy across from you beg to get out of that cage with you. That's your job. And again, we talk about the pain part of it. Man, I've had, I got, uh, I've ruptured L4, L5, four times, L1, L2, twice, herniated CT245, broken this seven times, broken my ankle twice, dislocated

• 44:59Speaker 01

  that, but tore that, tore that. And every time I'm hurting, I don't tap out and go, oh shit, I'm not gonna train today because I'm not feeling good. Instead, I'm like, man, if I could give this guy a handful, I didn't win. If I can give him a handful and I'm only at 50%, man, that makes me a gangster.

• 45:21Tom Bilyeu?

  It's your honor to fight hurt.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  My honor to fight hurt. Like it's your honor to go out and drop 100 yards on someone with an ankle sprain or an elbow and, but.

• 45:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Because it tells you something about yourself.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  You, yes. And that's, that's where like our crew, we don't really give a shit if we win or lose. And I learned, look, I've been around a lot of greatness and I have, God blessed me with the ability to communicate their greatness, I think, in a more relatable way and to the masses. A lot of times what's normal to them is great and they realize, well, that's not normal. So the more I could teach people on how to be a champion, um, like I was a, I'm a lousy competitor. As I've started to coach, I've gotten really good because now I get it. No one ever taught it to me in the past. Now I'm, now that's my mindset. Like if I am a hurt dude, you will never, ever, ever, ever know. And in

• 46:15Speaker 01

  there, like you'll never see me, nothing. I'll never show it. Now after I may pass out over there, that's fine. But during that's, that's one of the ways I'm gonna try and break you non-verbally.

• 46:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Jay, there really is something. So people need to read the book, which I truly found extraordinary. And you're flirting with this dichotomy through this whole conversation, which I find so useful in real life, which is, okay, look, I'm teaching people how to be so hardcore. Don't show your weakness. Break them mentally. You're like, you can hear it and I love it. And yet you're also the guy that's like, I have a therapist in the gym because after, you know, we sparred for a little while, that's when like the real emotions come out. We can cry and really bond and heal. And something we haven't talked about, but that you go into great detail in the book is, you know, all the ways, big and small, that you've served people and all the people that you've helped. It's really, it's incredible. When people read the book, they're really going to be impressed with a number of different ways that you serve.

• 47:11Tom Bilyeu?

  It's really pretty breathtaking.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Which we all can do it. That's why I'm saying, I'm showing it because everybody could do it.

• 47:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's, here's the truth, Jay. You talk about shooting straight. I'm going to shoot you straight. The reality is most people can do one or the other, but they can't do both. And this is, this is what I find interesting, that you both in the ring, when you're training, you want to break somebody's will in that competition and you want to love them and protect them. And in the book, you, you must use the word teammate 300 times. I mean, it's you, you refer to the reader as your teammate, which will make sense when you read the book, but.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  Because I can't be alone because I'm not, I don't like getting stuck with this. I don't know how to love this dude or like this dude. So I need teammates so I never feel alone. Yeah.

• 47:57Tom Bilyeu?

  It's really important that I think people learn. So I talk about it in Star Wars terms, that there's a light side and a dark side, and that if you eschew one of them, you've given up half of your options. And the, the dark side, the, you know, breaking a competitor's spirit, if you can do it well, where it's like, hey, in this moment, we, we slip into that mode. And then in the other moment, we would never dream to be in that mode. But it's, so there's this idea of the meek shall inherit the earth. And I heard an interpretation of the word meek to mean instead of weak, which is how I always assumed it to be, instead of that, it means somebody who is strong and very capable of fighting, but they keep their sword put away.

• 48:39Tom Bilyeu?

  If, if you are not dangerous, then you are not being gracious by not getting into a fight. Right? I heard that from.

• 48:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Farah Sahabi, I don't know if you know him, but MMA trainer, amazing, amazing guy. And I was like really struck by that statement.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Say it to me again.

• 49:00Tom Bilyeu?

  If you are weak and don't know how to fight, you are not being gracious by, you know, avoiding conflict. You're avoiding conflict because you know you're going to get your ass beat. If, if you're Farah Sahabi and you're a trained mixed martial artist and you know that you could fuck this guy up six ways to Sunday and you decide to leave it be to calm the situation. There's, there is gratitude in that. There's gratefulness. There's, there's a gift. There's graciousness in that.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:26Tom Bilyeu?

  And, and that to me is what your book encapsulates. This is, look, you fucking struggled, man, but this is not the book of somebody who has had it easy and therefore was persistent. It is a story of somebody who's struggled in every way imaginable, still managed to keep a North Star and move towards it relentlessly. When people hear you detail out those 10 dark years, dude, it is unbelievable. And then punchline is, oh, and by the way, I spend all my time loving on other people because of that it echoes back, right? So it's this, this incredible tale, and this is what I think life should be for everybody.

• 50:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Is to find that ability to both break somebody's competitive spirit and find joy in the ability to pull that off. And at the same time, care about that person as a human and love people so much that I can only imagine how many times you've taken phone calls and like suicide watch and all that. It's like you deal with heavy shit.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:24Tom Bilyeu?

  But dude, Jay, I, I, I am not glossing over how much you continue to struggle. But what I want people to hear in your story is that this is somebody who has built up every tool that he can. You are slathered in muscle. You know how to fight. You're quick witted. You have proven tenacity and loyalty win over everything. It's, it is an amazing journey that you take people on in your life, which you happen to have detailed in a book. Uh, it is not surprising to me in the least that you have collected this extraordinary group of people in your life. Every one of the people that I know that you know are incredible human beings. So anyway, it, your book details a strategy that I think is breathtaking.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  Thank you, Matt. I really appreciate that. It's.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  That's, that's a wow for me, man. That's a big wow factor for me. I appreciate that a lot. Again, it, it, things like this, like I'm trying to piece a lot of these together. So I can learn how to celebrate myself from the inside out. Know how to do it from the outside and, you know, hang with all our friends and party and this and that. And, you know, fighting all that stuff, but for the inside out, that's where my, that's where the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is for me. And, um, this is the next step for me and, and trying to figure that out and attain it. In the meantime, yeah, I get to use my pain to help other people through theirs, right? I could use my own gray to help people through their darkness. And that for me is, man, that's, you know, probably why God put me here and found my why.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  I, I do, I, I told this to Stray the other day. I said, I think I found my why for the first time. I think I found my why. So I appreciate it. And, and again, I don't try and figure life out. Like I was, for years, I'm like, damn, you know, fuck, why, like, why you like this? Why you like this? And I don't try and figure life out. I don't try and figure out why good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people and all that stuff. You know, I just, for me, now I kind of know the why of, man, I had to go through all this. So I can help other people through theirs.

• 52:30Tom Bilyeu?

  I get it, man. I respect it. So glad you wrote the book. Where can people follow along with you? Where can they get the book?

• 52:36Speaker 01

  Oh, go, uh, you can go to Harper Collins or Amazon or Barnes and Noble. It sold everywhere where you would normally buy books, uh, audio tape. Uh, audio comes out soon also, uh, January 25th is the launch date. So go on, preorder now. Um, I do the read for the audio version. So yeah, as I, the way I talk is the way I write, as you, as you probably saw, um, I'm honored, like The Rock wrote my foreword, which is like, man, like such an honor. And he and I are able to get deep in it also, which is just great where he could use, he wanted to do it because he's like, hey, you're going to be that voice of the gray for all of us. And again, here's the biggest star in the world and we all have some gray that.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  I'm hoping to be this, like I said, I'm hoping to be a light for people through their gray. So maybe they'll help me get through mine. So, um, and then, yeah, if you, uh, go to my Instagram or Twitter, there's a link on it there also. But yes, I would love you all to walk this walk with me. The more teammates we can have. And I want people also to share in their own struggles with this, with other people who are like, when I, I've been on social media in real time, like, hey, this is what this shit feels like, right? I don't want to do filtered crap and make people feel worse about their lives. Like this is it. So when you see those, comment, if you're struggling, comment. It's been really cool to see other followers then lift them up and be teammates

• 54:03Speaker 01

  together and help them out. And, um, also like, it's good for us to remember to celebrate and a lot of love ourselves up, right? So things like this allow me to celebrate myself and love myself up. Gee, it's even hard for me to get it out, like celebrate. No, oh shit. It's hard. It's really hard for me, man. It's legitimately hard. Um, but things like this get me a little bit more toward what I need to get to, to that blue.

• 54:31Tom Bilyeu?

  It's amazing. The book is amazing, guys. If you have ever struggled with anything, whether it's just having a hard time achieving what you want to achieve in your life, this book, trust me, is for you. If you've carried the weight of any kind of mental illness that creates that sense of overwhelm, uh, that things aren't going to go your way, this book is definitely for you. Uh, if you want to laugh, this book is for you. It really, really is, uh, phenomenal work. Uh, Jay, thank you so much for coming on the show today, man. I really appreciate it.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  And Unbreakable is things that could have broken us, but didn't. That makes us unbreakable. Like all our scars. Again, be proud of your scars. Be proud of the stuff that has knocked you down. Be proud of the crap, the adversity that you've gone through and it didn't break you and you came through that other side of the tunnel. That's what being unbreakable is.

• 55:17Tom Bilyeu?

  I like it.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  Appreciate it.

• 55:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Thank you, guys. Speaking of things that will help you become unbreakable, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

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