Fan Favorite: Jay Samit on The 2 Core Principles for Success in a Globalized World

Jay Samit has developed disruptive solutions for brands like Coca-Cola, Disney, and Microsoft, and he has helped grow multi-billion dollar giants such as LinkedIn and eBay. Serial disruptor, Jay Samit discusses why problems are the solutions to the world’s challenges in this episode of Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu. ORIGINAL AIR DATE: 4-4-17 SHOW NOTES Jay talks about removing limiting boundaries and overcoming issues of trust. [2:58] Jay recounts the unconventional start of his first company. [5:14] Jay shares a simple exercise to help increase insightfulness. [9:47] Tom and Jay discuss the importance of teaching entrepreneurs how to build companies. [14:45] Jay reveals how money is actually created. [17:59] Tom and Jay explore the notion of not being afraid to fail and learning a new skillset. [20:16] Jay talks about solving problems and writing your piece of the story that changes the world. [22:56] Jay walks through how he identifies problems and uses other people’s money (OPM) to launch business solutions. [29:15] Jay explains why leveraging relationships is critical to making insightful connections. [35:17] Tom and Jay discuss classic mistakes entrepreneurs make. [39:41] Jay describes how automation and telepresence is changing the world. [47:11] Jay defines the impact he wants to have on the world. [50:57] FOLLOW JAY TWITTER: http://bit.ly/2ozqt9e http://bit.ly/2ozqt9e%20 INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2oPfMP6 http://bit.ly/2oPfMP6%20 FACEBOOK: http://bit.ly/2nyL5xx http://bit.ly/2nyL5xx%20 LINKEDIN: http://bit.ly/1BEgaVA WEBSITE: http://bit.ly/2n2WVnb http://bit.ly/2n2WVnb%20 BONUSES DISRUPT YOU FACEBOOK: http://bit.ly/2nytPIG DISRUPT YOU TED TALK: http://bit.ly/1oho5SP CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://landroverUSA.com https://landroverusa.com/ Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com https://www.vitalproteins.com/ and entering promo code IMPACT at check out. iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACT when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at https://www.itrustcapital.com/impact Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact Butcher Box: Choose either 2 pounds of wild-caught salmon, 2 pounds of grass-fed ground beef, or 3 pounds of organic chicken breast to get free in every box for an entire year. Plus, get an extra $20 off your first box when you use code IMPACT at https://butcherbox.com/impact What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT atwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ ********************************************************************** LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:07Speaker 01

  If you're going to do something that somebody else already does, you're going to have competition, and you've got to be really, really good. And I hate competition. I guarantee you on any day, there is somebody smarter than me, better looking, better connected, wealthier, I don't care. So if you find a void, something that no one's doing, if you're the only one doing it, by definition, you are the best in the world. And if you're the best in the world, you have no competition. So now, hold on to that turf as long as you can.

• 1:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Impact Theory. I am here with a return guest who I think you guys are going to love. The one, the only Jay Samit. Welcome, Jay.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Good morning, Tom.

• 1:56Tom Bilyeu?

  So crazy, successful entrepreneur, bestselling author, and you've got a new book out called Future Proofing You. And there it is. It's blurry. You're gonna want to move it right in front of your face. There it is. Dude, this book is amazing. So much so, it is the only book that I've ever written the foreword to. I've been asked a lot. And I want to start with the dedication, at least as it appeared in the version that I got. Hopefully, this is what you kept. But here's what I saw. "To the reader of Disrupt You who emailed me saying that he didn't believe anyone could become a millionaire. You're wrong." Nice and simple.

• 2:36Tom Bilyeu?

  So Jay, walk us through what is, what is the book? Like, what was the format? You did something pretty unique that I happened to be fortunate enough to follow along with.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  So, again, a thousand thanks for writing the foreword. It was a magnificent foreword, and I was humbled by your words. But Disrupt You really was the most fun, greatest thing I've done in my life. And the fact that when you write a book to help people, and they email you, and you get what I call love letters from all over the world, heard from people in 140 countries. I don't mean that to brag. I'm just like, how is that possible? But occasionally, you get an email from someone that says, this was all motivational, but I could never do it. And it turns out Jay has very thin skin. That would eat at me. Like, how am I not reaching this person? What, what, what could I do more? So I came

• 3:30Speaker 01

  up with this crazy idea, if you're, if you've read literature, Pygmalion, or My Fair Lady, where could I just take somebody, and I want to take somebody with least amount of advantages. So anybody reading his story would say, well, I'm starting off equal or better. So could I find somebody that grew up on welfare, a millennial, and mentor him one day a week per year? And would it be possible to take somebody with no capital, ground rules, where I gave no money, I made no introductions, and I didn't tell him what business to do? Could I get him from basically homeless to self-made billionaire in 12 months? And I'll write the ending, 11 months. And we sat down, I introduced you to Vin, before I did

• 4:14Speaker 01

  the experiment, and to document it, and you have that footage, hopefully. And Vin worked hard. So the last thing I want to do is tell anybody that it's easy. Right, Vin was willing to work harder in one year than most people were willing to work. So he could live the rest of his life in a manner that most people don't. And he sacrificed and he learned. And I tried to take all that mentoring and bring it down to first of all, detailed steps to follow and consolidate it down to what I call 12 truths. If you follow these 12 truths, you will be successful. These aren't crazy rocket science.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Vin's not an engineer, I'm not an engineer. Steve Jobs was an engineer. I mean, you don't need any college degree. You don't have to be in a first world nation. You don't have to be in a big city. You're one click away from seven billion people. Right, so you only have to figure out how to reach them once. And if you can figure out that process, you can do it again and again and be what I call future group. I used to talk about, when the last time we were on the show, I said, whether by choice or circumstance, everyone's job will be disrupted. And some people go, nah, not me. I don't have to make that case anymore post pandemic. I mean, everyone got disrupted.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  But did that mean that was a bad thing or a good thing? I mean, health wise, it's a horrible thing. God forbid you got affected. But every obstacle is an opportunity in disguise. You saw some people made huge fortune stories. So other people wiped out. And so all that I'm trying to do is pay it forward and teach people how they can take control of their own destiny.

• 6:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that to me is such an important question right now. And one thing I think you and I have bonded over is, so something happened generationally between you and I and then the generation that's coming up now, where they feel sort of defeated before they even begin. And I'll, I'll even grant them, okay, cool, maybe it's harder than it was. It certainly is not impossible. You've given some stats about how frequently self-made millionaires and billionaires are still coming online right now. Again, that's self-made. This is not people that have been handed something. And what I love is that you really did put your money where your mouth is to see if this stuff would work.

• 6:47Tom Bilyeu?

  And if people get the motivation behind it, which I'll say in my language and you tell me if this is spot on. I've dedicated the entire rest of my life to making sure that people have an empowering mindset. So they'll at least try. So I cannot guarantee their success, but I can guarantee that really going for something and believing it's possible gives you an advantage that's a thousand fold over somebody who just acquiesces and says, well, this is too hard. So I'm not even going to try.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  I agree a hundred percent, and I'll even take it one step further. I only believe you need two things for success, insight and perseverance.

• 7:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Even in today's marketplace?

• 7:26Speaker 01

  In any marketplace. Okay. I can teach people insight. I've taught it at the college level. I had students my first semester that made a hundred and fifty million dollars and dropped out of school. Probably a good choice.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  But you really help people on the persistence. Cause motivation, just like a shower, doesn't last forever. Okay, you need it again and again. And that's what's so great about your show and what you do and why I so look up. The leadership you bring people.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  But for those people feeling left out and left behind and think that life's just about leftovers. I mean, it's not your fault. That's the first message. Okay. The bottom of one percent, a hundred and forty million Americans own less than one percent of this country. A hundred and forty million Americans with a hundred and twenty million Americans at or below the poverty line. Wages for workers haven't gone up since nineteen eighty-two. And so it is much harder. And much like when you watch sports on television, you see that best of reel, you know? When they catch the ball and hit the ball and it just looks amazing.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  You don't see a full baseball game where nothing happens for a whole long time. Well, social media does the same thing to people. They see everybody's life in the highlights reel. Oh, it's so great. I must be doing something wrong. And it's not that. I've, I would have never understood what a billionaire was, okay, growing up. I didn't know what a millionaire, I came from a working-class family. And if you would have told me dozens of people that I know became billionaires, I'd go like, what are you spoken, this is insane. And yet, every forty-eight hours, as you said, there's a new billionaire created. How is that possible? And so I tried to break down in the book, what we learned that was, was wrong, doesn't work. You talk a lot about having a growth mindset.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Key, absolutely important. But actually, our educational system stifles the mindset. And the example that I, that I talk about in the book is, if we go back to elementary school math, they tell you, if I buy an apple for one dollar and I sell it to Tom for two dollars, I make a dollar. That's how business works. Nothing could be further than the truth. Because that implies what in game theory is called zero-sum game. The only way I get money is by taking your money. Well, if you had that mindset, well, either Tom has the money or I have the money. If they get a raise, I don't get it. If they get a promotion, I don't get it. Foreigners are taking my jobs, immigrants are taking my jobs, other countries are taking my jobs, robots.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  It's, it's me versus the world, it, it becomes this grind up of hatred. On the other hand, I go, Tom, I'm starting this business, I'll sell you ten percent for ten thousand dollars. How much am I now worth? Well, I own ninety percent, so I now have ninety thousand dollars. It wasn't created by the Federal Reserve, it didn't come from a bank, I made it out of thin air. But I can buy things with that, I can sell things, I can hire people, I can do all kinds of stuff. And that is how Jeff Bezos could lose money, year after year after year, for ten years and come out the other side as the richest man in the world. He didn't take money, he created money. Elon Musk, funny, from the last time we sat down together,

• 10:51Speaker 01

  I was updating my first book, Elon Musk was worth seven billion dollars. Very impressive, he's an impressive guy, I love Elon. Uh, he's not worth two hundred billion dollars. What did he do in five years that, uh, the rest of us were asleep? And by the way, he made it all- Luxury brands are not charging you more for better cashmere. You're paying-

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• 13:16Speaker 01

  Things that were public, so we all could have participated. So you don't need capital. You don't need connections. You don't need a fancy degree. I'm not saying not to go to college. There's pros and cons of everything, but you can do it. And the secret is this.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  If you're gonna do something that somebody else already does, you're gonna have competition, and you gotta be really, really good. And I hate competition. I guarantee you on any day, there is somebody smarter than me, better looking, better connected, wealthier. I don't care.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  I hate that. So if you find a void, something that no one's doing, if you're the only one doing it, by definition, you are the best in the world. And if you're the best in the world, you have no competition. So now, hold on to that turf as long as you can. So when I, when I sat down with Vin, Vin came to me with an idea that probably half the people watching the show uh, already have, which is, I understand social media, I can help people do social media. I'm like, yes, so can 50 million other people. And his problem was that he's probably good at it. I'm not, I'm not finding, finding fault with his, his thoughts and skillset. Is the people that he knew in his circle didn't have any money to pay him.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  And their Coca Colas and, and, and the Sylvester Stallones of the world don't need to hire him. There's whole agencies, so he's floundering. But what? If he just focused and said, I do social media for this, and find one thing that nobody else is, is touting as their specialty, could you get clients? Well, if you pick something that really needs help, yes. And then the second you do great for that first client, you're now all in the world, because now you have this case study and say, you're not just saying you're the best in the world, you are the best in the world. And that's all Vin had to do. No capital, nothing.

• 15:21Tom Bilyeu?

  So Vin is the example of just how much of this is possible. I think it's really intriguing. I think it's worth going into his story. So when I met him, um, I trusted your opinion, but didn't look at him and go, oh, that's the obvious choice of the person to choose. He was pretty outlandish. He, you know, dressed very garishly. He was like, had no professionalism about him. Nice guy. I am not in any way, shape or form saying he was unpleasant. I'm just saying, he was very rough, very unpolished. Had a bit of a sort of deer in headlights effect. When I met him, he seemed unconvinced of what you guys were doing and was hopeful to be sure, but wasn't like,

• 16:07Tom Bilyeu?

  you were, it's not like you took a kid that had just graduated with a Harvard MBA and said, "Okay, hey, I'm gonna show that this works." In the book, you reveal this, and even I didn't know this. So, in the book, you pull Vin aside and you say, "Hey Vin, look, I have done an exhaustive search for somebody that I think has the mental fortitude, the skillset, the talents to pull this off, so that I know I'm dealing with a good foundation, because I don't, I have the chills, because I know the punchline to this story. And I want to make sure that you're primed. You know, if I just picked anybody, this could be a real disaster. So, my reputation's on the line here. I needed to make sure that I had the right person, and I have come to you. So, I need you to know that you've got something that other people don't have, and what we're gonna do is we're gonna leverage that, right?

• 16:52Tom Bilyeu?

  And then what's the punchline? How many people did you interview?

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Just Vin. So, I started off this relationship with a lie. And there's a, there's a psychological tool that you can use called the Pygmalion Effect. And the history of it was, a professor went to an elementary school and had all the kids take a test at the beginning of the year. And he looked at the test and told the teacher, "These three students were gonna be super achievers this year. They were gonna grow." And at the end of the year, they measured the whole class, and what? Those three kids, super achievers. Turns out the professor lied. He never looked at the test, picked three names at random, but knew if you treated people differently than they thought that they were smart, they would become smart. So, by telling Vin that he had something special, that I,

• 17:40Speaker 01

  coming from a position of power and authority, a very successful guy, saw something in him, he had to internalize that. So, that, that, that gave him that push at the beginning. The funny thing that I also, was a shock to me. So, he didn't find out, by the way, that I lied to him, until he read the book. I never told him, I never led on after the whole thing. But when I was writing the book, he also led on to something. Six months in, he's now made, you know, six hundred thousand dollars. This is a kid who grew up in public housing, his parents own welfare. I mean, he's mind blown that this could happen. And by that point, there was a trust between the mentor and the mentee.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  And he handed me a piece of paper and said, when we first met, I took him out, bought him a pizza. So the only money I ever gave him was a pizza.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  He wrote it down in a note after our first meeting. And he wrote in his own words, that basically he thought I was full of it. You know, that this old guy, but he has nothing else going for him. And he'll go along and he'll play along because he wants it so bad. I mean, it can't be real, but he'll hate anybody else if they get the opportunity. So the seed was planted. And he gave me this because he wanted me to know that he didn't believe the advice in the beginning. But he went along with it because I said so. And what he would find out is, and what he would say later, is some of the best advice possible. And the reason is, most of us don't have the experience to know many things in business.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Things that might seem counterintuitive, you know, how the world works as opposed to how you were taught how it works. And that's why mentors are so important. I mean, it's one of the 12 truths that you can't do it on your own. There's this myth that the self-made man, it doesn't exist. Okay, everybody got there on the shoulders of those who came before. And I try to teach people the tools of how to find the right mentors. And it's not email somebody out of the blue, like I'm sure you get every day and I get thousands of them. Will you be my mentor? The best mentors, you never use the M word. You start a relationship, you, I teach you how to look through their LinkedIn profile and figure out who would be right for you at that stage.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  You know, the richest man in the world is your mentor right now. The difference between where you are, where they are, the skills might not translate. There's people in your field that would love to help you. The world isn't out to compete.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  The world is really there to help. And the second you get that growth mindset and find other people with that mindset, and there's tons of organizations like SCORE in the US, or EO, or WPO. I mean, the help is there. There's no one standing between you and raising capital. That has never been easier. You don't need special skills. Anything other than insight and persistence, you can hire. So then what it comes down to is, what's your insight? What problem are you going to solve? And the second you go on that journey, you're accomplishing two things. One, you'll make money. But two, since you're solving a problem, you're helping people.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  And joy doesn't come from money. Satisfaction doesn't come from money. Purpose doesn't come from money. Purpose comes from doing something that makes the world better. So, we have a lot of problems. If you're listening to my voice and you have problems, congratulations, you're halfway there. But imagine how great it feels to solve a major issue. And I don't mean day one, you have to do climate change and world hunger. A basic problem.

• 21:26Tom Bilyeu?

  So, I want to really nail some things home for people in terms of the, um, what you did with Vin. So, you said it, but sort of off the cuff, you never gave him any money. You didn't even introduce him to people, which that would have been, I think, the one thing people would have nailed you for, is, yeah, sure, like, he's now meeting this ultra-successful guy who's incredibly connected, knows everybody, so of course this kid has been successful. But you didn't do that.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's like, no, that's like the CEOs' kid who sells the most Girl Scout cookies, right? You know, 20,000 employees have to buy a box. Yeah, no, I wanted this to be completely fair, transparent, other than the fact that I lied to him, and, and repeatable. If it can't be repeated, what's the point? One of the things I always hated about successful biographies is if you go back in time and do what I did, well, I can't go back in time, I'm living now. So you have to give people tools to work in the future and that's why it's called Future Blue.

• 22:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so now let's start taking it step by step. So you have the 12 truths in the book. Truth number one, where you start, which I think is incredibly important, is sort of where I spend my entire life, is you have to have a growth mindset. So you have to believe this is possible.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 22:41Tom Bilyeu?

  What were some of the other key things specifically that you wanted to get Vin on in the early days? So you knew he'd be primed to achieve what he ended up achieving?

• 22:51Speaker 01

  So one of the things that was key to him, I think generationally, was he really wanted to be famous. Fame to him was recognition, achievement, all the things that come from social media and that presence in people's lives today. And so he wanted to name his company, you know, Vin Clancy such and such. And the very first argument that we had was that in today's world, you're not necessarily going to have a company your entire life. This isn't like Ford Motor Company, which now 100 plus years is still in the Ford family.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  You need a separate identity so that you can sell what you create and wasn't getting through to them. So he grew up in London and I worked with Sir Richard Branson. So it's, I'm like, don't I mean, here's the role model to bring up, okay? Richard Branson created the Virgin brand, still in my mind, the most brilliant brand in the world. The basic reason, what is a virgin? A virgin is someone that's new and doesn't know what they're doing. So if he starts a company like Virgin Cola and it flops because it can't compete against Pepsi and Coke, it actually makes the Virgin brand stronger. It proves that he's a virgin, he's trying new things. He's had 300 companies. He's had eight multi-billion

• 24:16Speaker 01

  dollar companies in eight different fields. Not a college graduate. When I did a very sophisticated deal with him, doesn't know how to read a spreadsheet, doesn't need to. He can hire people to do that. So the second I could separate for Vin that Richard Branson and Virgin were different identities, then Vin could create two different identities. I also had to explain, you have to look like your customer.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  You know, it's not selling out, it's saving time.

• 24:47Tom Bilyeu?

  That's

• 24:48Speaker 01

  If you have this really unique look, he had long hair, he had gold wings on his shoes, he had a coat made out of feathers. I mean, he was out there.

• 24:58Tom Bilyeu?

  You have no idea how accurate that is. That's the kid that I met. I was like, wow.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  I I posted a picture of him, you know, from that before time and and all great, but I'll I'll give my own side of it. So it's not like there's the old guy picking on the new kid. I was suddenly brought in. I was a digital guy from the early days on the internet at seventy eight, you know, did the first music on a computer, first video. And one day I wake up and I'm head of the world's largest music company because the music world went digital. And I'm still corporate guy, wearing suit and tie, and nobody's relating to me. And the head of Virgin Music says to me, Jake, you see anybody else with a tie? See anybody

• 25:43Speaker 01

  else with a jacket? I'm like, oh, yeah, I need to relate. Went out and bought all black wardrobe. And for five years I was in the music business, I only had black head to toe. But I didn't have that barrier where people go, oh, this guy I can't relate and talk to. So Ben got a haircut. Okay, Ben, Ben dressed, even though ninety percent of what he did was virtual. And that's the other big thing. Ben didn't have to rent an office. Ben didn't have to hire tons of people. Ben didn't have to buy equipment. You can create an international successful company remotely and virtually. And if you didn't believe that before the pandemic, I don't have to convince anybody now. The biggest corporations in

• 26:28Speaker 01

  the world realize they don't need the overhead anymore. You don't want to be owning a lot of high rise buildings in dense cities because they're going to be sitting empty. So Ben and I clashed on a lot of stuff. But here's to Ben's credit. Ben's superpower was he knew what he didn't know. He knew that he didn't have the instinct. So whenever he viscerally was opposed to something, he would pause and say, am I against this out of pride or out of fact? And if he didn't have a fact for his argument, he would go along.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  And that served him unbelievably well. It's not that I'm right and I know it all. I've just run so many companies, little companies, big companies. I've been through this that it doesn't matter what your business is. All businesses share a number of key steps and key problems. I mean, every business has to grow. Every business has to figure out how to attract employees and keep employees. Everybody has to manage cash flow. You know, all these issues you may not have the background for, and you may not have learned the shortcuts to success in each of those problems.

• 27:42Tom Bilyeu?

  How did you help Vin get the first customer? Because that's really like when you're starting a business, man, that is the thing that's really daunting.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  So one of the things that I told him, and he did start on this, but it didn't happen to be where he got the first customer,

• 27:57Speaker 01

  was find a charity where you can use your skills for, okay? Because when you get involved with the committees and doing all that stuff, the other people volunteering aren't just volunteers and they go back in a cave. There are executives at different companies. They have different connections. And if you're showing your skills in that world.

• 28:18Tom Bilyeu?

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• 29:51Speaker 01

  Somebody will notice and say, "Ooh, I've got a project for you." So that's a great, you know, to do stuff at nonprofits. I had a digital ad agency that was acquired by a news corp for $200 million. How did we get client number one? We did PSAs, public service announcements for different charities. And my first one went so viral and so insane that of course, everybody in the ad world noticed and go, "Ooh, let's go there." It's that easy.

• 30:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Really fast, I want to push on that. So you say a lot, the phrase, "It's that easy." And what I like about that is, hopefully, it shakes people out because you'll give example after example after example after example of like, "Hey, I had an insight and I put it to use and look, it built this huge thing." Or this person had an insight and, you know, it ends up being a billion-dollar exit. So in the context of getting your first customer or that PSA, you actually had to be good. Like, your PSA had to outperform. Vin ended up-

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely.

• 30:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Vin had to be good. And so, as you think about mentoring somebody or having taken one shot to find this one kid and help him become something, how much of the process is learn your craft?

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. So you don't have to know every aspect of your business. But, and you, you talk about this all the time.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  Sweat equity overcomes intellect ten out of ten times. Right? There's lots of smart people that aren't doing anything and aren't achieving. Like, the world doesn't go, "Ooh, you're magna cum laude. Here's a million bucks." It doesn't work that way. And yet, when you look at universities, C students donate the most money back to universities.

• 31:44Tom Bilyeu?

  That's interesting.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  They're the most successful. Okay? And it is the work that you put in and the continual work. And one of the things that I try to also stress with people is pretty much everything we do nowadays can be measured. And if you can measure it, you can improve upon it. So you can A/B test ads very cheaply if you're doing an ad, okay? We'll run it a hundred times and request, you know, less than a dollar. How many people clicked through this one? How many clicked through that one? Oh, this one got more clicks. We'll go with this. Now we'll make this bigger, make it lower. And in my ad agency example, we did this testing so much so that we got to the point where we'll get the average person to interact with an ad that's interrupting you on the internet for seventy seconds.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  Unheard of. You're gonna stop what you're doing and spend seventy seconds with their app. That was the average.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Then you start getting clients, and then it's how do I motivate? I paid my sales force more than I paid myself. I had contests where you could get a car. I had contests. Um, we used to put the logos up on the wall. I wanted a logo for each letter of the alphabet. If you get a client that gives you some letter that we don't have already, here's ten thousand dollars. Whoever would pick to get people to be more motivated that are in sales, that's a good job. In Vince's case, he was self-motivated after the first month. And again, we're talking about, you know, one mentor session a week. This isn't, I'm holding hands and secretly running the enterprise. Not at all.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  But once he saw what he had within him, because he did the work.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  He got the results. The results were spectacular. Now, here's the other thing about a void. If there's something new, if there's something hot, if there's something that, that the world suddenly pays attention to, that any work you do in that space will be magnified. Okay? I was no computer genius. I'm not an engineer. But the mere fact I was on a computer before anybody was like, you know about computers? Tell us, you know? And so each one of the things that I did, you know, 10 years ago, I was the first app that created video chat for multiple people on a computer or on a phone. What we do with Zoom and everything else nowadays. We were too early.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  But you can't control timing. So Vin just applied the, the same things he would have done, you know, to help a restaurant open or to help anybody. He just happened to find a client with a big need and a real short window. And that's where I was focusing on. Who, who needs you today? Who, who can't survive without this today? And how do you get in front of them so that they discover you?

• 34:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so I want to start putting these pieces together for people. So, okay, Vin needed a growth mindset. Um, you planted a seed in his mind that he was special, that in the beginning probably uh, took the place of a growth mindset. It was like, oh, okay, cool. I've got something special. This guy's going to give me the information to make me in particular blossom. He's looked at all these people, which of course was a lie, but Vin believes that. The first month, we're sort of pushing, pushing, pushing. But what we're trying to get him to see is, hey, Vin, you're, you need to find that void. So there's a lot of people that can do the social media thing, but if you pick one like hardcore niche in there and find somebody that has a very immediate need, now you can get your first customer, you can get moving. We're making sure that he understands you have to be very good at your craft, that

• 35:19Tom Bilyeu?

  you actually have to go out there and deliver results for people that then you can sort of snowball.

• 35:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Having read the book, I know sort of where this goes. So, okay, cool. He's getting the early traction. He's doing the, he's living your, it really is that simple line. He's just doing the things, finding the void, executing, being good at delivering results in those things. But not too long into this process, it stops being fun. And it's like, this shit is hard. How, I've often said boredom kills more entrepreneurs than failure. Because you just realize, oh my God, to get to a million dollars, like, I'm really grinding here. Uh, how did you help him through that process? We've got the growth mindset, we've got the skills, we've got the customers, and now we're kind of tempted to stop.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  So, there's a number of truths. One of them is the gap to embrace failure.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Everybody thinks failure is some shame. And yet, if you play a video game, you don't suddenly sit down and play to the end. You die, figure out what you did wrong, do it again, you constantly course correct. And so you fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. Ooh, I won. It's identical to business. You're going to make lots of mistakes. In Vin's case, what was, you know, anybody that thinks, you know, you're going to know what a year of mentoring somebody and could this possibly happen to be like, it was a nail biter from where I'm sitting, okay? But all of a sudden, okay, he's on the right path, he's doing good. And because of algorithms and policy that had nothing to do with him or anything that he was doing,

• 36:56Speaker 01

  he wasn't doing anything wrong, all of a sudden, Google and Facebook make it impossible for him to run his business. I mean, it was a punch in the gut that would have leveled me. I would have gone like, oh my God, what do you do? But one of the things that I also taught him was that you need more than one revenue stream. Because you never know when something, some beaver blocks that river and makes a dam. I mean, you never know what's going to happen. And so coincidentally, he's suddenly got, I mean, just killed out in left field. But he was working on this other revenue stream and he suddenly realized, I could take the tools that I built for here and use it for my client over here and suddenly, you know, piece it back together.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  So, the other thing people have to understand is there's going to be hardship, there's going to be obstacles. It's not going to go smoothly.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  But you either earn or you learn, so you don't fall backwards. And he kept on learning new ways and with that growth mindset, and you can't underestimate that. You don't go, oh, my God, I failed. You go, okay, that didn't work. What else can I try? You look at it as, okay, I learned what this doesn't work. You know, the old Thomas Edison with the thousand tries at the light bulb. And so Vin was constantly trying new things that definitely didn't work. But you don't know unless you try and developing more and more revenue streams. I mean, one of the ones that he came up with on his own, which was genius, is suddenly when he suddenly had some success,

• 38:32Speaker 01

  a whole lot of work comes his way. Little piddly work that doesn't have the upside and return clients and things worth his time. But rather than just say he was too busy, he would farm them out to people for commission and then just check in to make sure they're doing it up because his name's associated. And now his referral business was minting money.

• 38:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Did you teach him that? Because one of the things that I find most,

• 39:00Tom Bilyeu?

  like if I could steal your brain and put it in a jar, I would. It, it, you have this ability to look at deal structure and, and see an opportunity that other people don't see. And there were a few times in the book where I thought, oh, man, that is like a Jay Samit classic move that he just did. And like, cause when you talk about an algorithm shifting, most people collapse, like they just stop at that point. It's too daunting. Everything feels so far out of your control. It's kind of like you're, you've just spent the last four years building a house and then a tornado comes along and wipes it out. And you are back to the stud, not even the studs, the studs are gone. All you have is foundation. And most people then stop, whereas I've seen you in your career time and time again, go, oh, this could actually be turned into a sculpture.

• 39:44Tom Bilyeu?

  And now like what was meant to be a house is a sculpture and people are paying $10 a pop and millions of people come from around the world. And I'm like, how the fuck did this become this much bigger opportunity than the thing that just got knocked down by the hurricane? So had you prepped Vin for that moment? Like how, how did he? Cause you want, you give people Vin's income month by month by month. And so how, did you warn him ahead of time? Like, how did you shape his mind?

• 40:11Speaker 01

  The obstacles that leveled him.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  To use your metaphor, um, I didn't see that coming. I mean, no one did. That was like unheard of, unprecedented in the history of, of Google and Facebook, never happened before, hasn't happened since, it was horrible.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  But to use your metaphor, when that house gets humbled down, you still have a good solid foundation.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  With a good solid foundation, you can build anything. So, deal structure is so important. And yes, you cannot stand on one foot and teach people every form of deal structure. But at least in this book, I'm trying to show them how most of the wealth that you see in the world wasn't created by hard work and saving, it was created by deal structure. Spielberg didn't become a billionaire by making movies, okay? It was the deal structure. You know, so many of these things are different.

• 41:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Give an example from Spielberg, what did he do?

• 41:08Speaker 01

  So Spielberg was making good movies, great director, making top money, living, living a rich life. But his lawyer realized that Universal Studios was constantly turning his movies into rides. He got the Jaws ride, he got this ride, and the lawyer goes, you know, Steven should get a piece of that, or he's never making movies for you again. And so his lawyer negotiated, I don't know, I'm not allowed to say what the amount is, um, but X amount of dollars per ticket for every ticket ever sold for theme park.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Then Universal decides to open a second theme park.

• 41:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh my god.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  And an international theme park, okay? Uh, George Lucas, nobody wanted to make a cowboy movie in space. It was the worst idea, this thing's not gonna make anything. George Lucas's first sci-fi movie went nowhere, okay? American Graffiti hadn't come out yet. So the most that he would give them was the standard minimum for a, a writer, director, producer. And he said, you know what? Then let me have the sequel rights. We're not making a sequel to this short, kid. Take it for free. Turns out to be Star Wars, the studio comes back. Oh yeah, please, we'll pay you, we want the sequel, we want the sequel.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Well, and this was again, his lawyer. We'll let you have the sequel, George can have the toy rights, free and clear, no royalty paid to Fox, no likeness rights paid to the other stars.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Twelve billion dollars worth of toys later, like, who's laughing? And I can go on and on. McDonald's didn't make their money. Ray Kroc didn't make his money from hamburgers. He made his money from the real estate field of every franchisee buying real estate that they made for location. So you can structure this. What does this have to do with me and my regular stuff? If you're going to be hired to do work for a company, if it's a small little company, and you can figure out how you can make them worth a lot, you can negotiate equity. You can negotiate a percentage of what you make for them. You can make a stretch goal in the contract that they don't believe in, that if you hit this stretch goal, you get a huge pay.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  I was working in a company once, and there were hard times, financial times. And the CEO was like, "We have to find a way to make the numbers." I said, "Okay, if my division does 2X of what it's supposed to make, can everybody in the division get twice their salary?" "For sure." Like, never going to happen. So I sat down, everybody who worked with me, a ton of people, and I made a cut out of the CFO space, and I put him on top of one of those charity thermometers, you know, to fill in as you're raising money. And every week, we started the meeting with, you know, "Where are we on this number?" And everybody got it. I had another guy that I used to work with, that if the whole division hit their numbers,

• 44:00Speaker 01

  you, your spouse and your kids, everybody, the whole company, goes to Hawaii each year for vacation. So think of how you structure things. At the minimum, say, if I hit my target for this contract, I get renewed. Because if you build a company and you do all this great stuff, they can later hire somebody that'll work for less than you, once you've already made them. So deal structure is so important. And so in Future Proofing You, I really try to go through a bunch of deal structure examples, and why you may need to bring in and spend the money to have an expert to help you structure certain types of deals at certain times in your life.

• 44:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so here's my takeaway from you as a human. Certainly, the thing that I take away from your books, which are so important. I cannot stress how much I consider your books important for anybody who's trying to accomplish something in their lives. But the punchline is you can learn this. The way you think about deal structure, all the stuff you walk people through and disrupt you, all the stuff you watch, walk people through and future-proof you is you can learn it. Maybe it's even, it's not like physics hard, but sure, it doesn't come naturally to people. I don't care. It's like, if you want to own your life, if you want to take your time, turn it into usable skill set and have the kind of extraordinary outcome that you had with Vin, who again,

• 45:27Tom Bilyeu?

  you picked a random ass kid who grew up on welfare, you didn't give him any connections, no money, nothing. You taught him a certain way to think, you taught him how to think about deal structure, how to be impervious to changes. And it's like, it fucking worked. The kid hit a million dollars in revenue in 11 months. It's so crazy. And when you're reading the book, you're like, oh my God, is this gonna work?

• 45:47Speaker 01

  But was there anything, put you on the spot, was there anything in either of these two books that you go, wow, that's rocket science, that's complicated, that's, you know, I have to learn Pythagoras' theorem? Or was it all common sense where you kind of go, huh? And it's just common sense?

• 46:05Tom Bilyeu?

  We need to give you a new word, because it isn't common sense. But it is, once you have been introduced to it, it suddenly seems self-evident. But it is not the thing that I would ever expect people to have sort of on average across the board. It's one of those things where there are certain types of minds that see that, just like it becomes apparent to them. They are the people that can pull themselves out of the matrix. Okay, I'm fascinated by people that can do that. I'm not a person that can pull myself out of the matrix. But once somebody presents to me the path out, I'm willing to do the fucking work to get out, right? So we all have our thing. You're able to pull yourself out of the matrix.

• 46:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, you've actually packaged, hey, everybody, here's how you do it. It, this is something, it is a process. And here is the process, and now it's up to you to go learn. What I am so desperate for people to understand is, what you teach is a process. It is not rocket science. It is not Pythagorean theorem. But it does require the cultivation of your will, your purpose, your ability to fall and get back up. You even, one of the sub headings of one of the chapters or one of the sections in one of the chapters is cultivating purpose. And I thought, I want it, if I could put my finger on one thing in the table of contents

• 47:31Tom Bilyeu?

  that proves you know what the fuck you were talking about, it doesn't say, "Find your purpose." It says, "Cultivate your purpose." So talk to me about cultivation. Like, hey, people aren't going to be born with this. They don't need to be born with this. How do they cultivate something like purpose?

• 47:48Speaker 01

  So we all have our unique life's journey. And life is hard. I mean, for everybody. There's different levels of hard. I'm not third world country, where do I get clean water hard? But everybody has their own, their own pains and stuff. And when you see and experience pain or see injustice or things that get to you,

• 48:12Speaker 01

  each one of us would like to fix something, to make the world better. And as you can start aligning what you do to helping others, the greatest joy you'll ever get is when you help someone else. And the more you're helping others, the more you end up helping yourself. I mean, I've got very little joy, zero joy out of running big companies. I mean,

• 48:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Out of running what?

• 48:38Speaker 01

  That's big companies. You know, I've run companies with 200, 300, 400,000 employees. There is a reason why they pay you a ton of money to do that. Your inbox is filled with hate every morning. Hate your company, suing your company, hate you, why is this? You know, everything sucks, shareholders, ever. I mean, the whole world, it's miserable. And I dedicated my life to teaching people how to achieve their dreams. And my inbox is filled with, on my lowest day, a random note that comes in from somebody. I shared one in this book that I asked for permission because I was so moved by it. But a woman about 50 years old

• 49:20Speaker 01

  decided she was going to pick all her money and, and go into the Airbnb, you know, rent some places and, and be in the property business. And she lost everything. And she was planning to kill herself. And she called her daughter to say goodbye before she killed herself. And her daughter goes, you're killing yourself because you lost money? That's the stupidest thing in the world. And her daughter gave this woman my book. And this woman wrote me to thank me that it got her out of that darkness. And now she has a successful business and she's moved on. So I found my purpose. Um, we all have it. When I was young, my purpose wasn't, I want to be rich and I want, I want a yacht.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  It was I had two small children. And how can I give them a better life? And for so many people, they think a better life means buying your kids the things you didn't have. A better life is teaching them the things you didn't know. So that they don't have to make your same mistakes. But that's been my life's work. And now that they have their own lives, I had a void to fill. I was, you know, lost. I was offered tons more jobs and, you know, been there, done that, don't need the money. There's no motivation to put up with the aggravation. But I did have an engineer who worked for me decades ago.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Who reached out to me and he had a solution for climate change, poisons in our foods. Um, and he needed to get his company off the ground. So I said, I have a moral obligation to go on as chairman. And so I'm chairman of Greenfield Robotics, which instead of putting poison on our food to grow food, let's just think that for a second. How's that rational? All of our crops are grown with tons of herbicides and pesticides. We put enough stuff to kill them, but uh, it's not going to hurt us. But now we find out it's cancer. So we have little robots that go up and down the fields, take care of the weeds.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Or 300 million acres of corn and cotton, you know, you don't need a camp anymore. But that also means you don't have to till the soil. And the number one source of greenhouse gases is not cars and factories. It's farming. So if we don't till the soil, we sequester carbon. We take poisons out of our soil, so it doesn't go down the Mississippi to all the fish. And we take poisons out of our diet, so we don't die. How can I not join on to that purpose? If I have the skill set to help, it'd be morally wrong not to. So you can find purpose in any job. And the proof of it is, let's look at immigrants. I don't care from what country to what country.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  An immigrant made a choice to go from point A to point B. Point B may have been really horrible, but they're now on a, on a mission and they have a purpose to their life. So you may see them sweeping up, or you may see them at an entry level job. But that's not their destination. And that propels them. And that's why one third of Fortune 500 companies were founded by an immigrant or the first generation child of an immigrant. They're on a mission to do something. And so.

• 52:37Tom Bilyeu?

  How can people make that more robust in themselves? So you get a spark of something. Nobody's born with a purpose. Um, how do you fan those flames and turn it into something that will sustain you? When the job is getting hard, when you're bored out of your mind, when you want to give up? How, how can you make that a strong enough thing to carry you through?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  So to, to find the purpose and all that, I, I put in a bunch of questions to ask yourself. And as you answer these questions, it will become obvious what that is. Uh, you set goals along with your purpose. You know? If it can be measured, then it can be improved. How can you, what can you, what impact can you have to use your language this year? How do you do it? Fear is a tool. Fear is good. You're not going to overcome your fear. That's another big, one of the truths in this book that most people don't talk about. You, it's good to be fearful. That's why we're here. If your great, great, great, great, great grandfather wasn't afraid of that saber tooth tiger, you wouldn't be here.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  And you're not going to change that. But maybe you're afraid of the wrong things. You're afraid of losing money. You're afraid of, of being embarrassed. You're afraid of what your friends or parents will say if you start a company and it fails.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Shouldn't you be more fearful that you're trading away a year of your life, 10 years of your life, your entire life for a job that's unfulfilling? Or a job that will never give you the lifestyle that you want? I'd be afraid of wasting the one life I get the one time I'm on this planet. That's the big driving fear. How do I make today count? How can I start my dream today? And a lot of what I've read about isn't about, you know, here's your five year plan. What are your five goals for tomorrow? And you and I share that approach. Every study shows if you write down your goals, you have a much better chance of making them happen. Plus, you're focusing. And if you do it the night before,

• 54:38Speaker 01

  you no longer have worries keeping you up all night because you got the ideas down. And when you're sleeping, those solutions will come.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  You're freeing your subconscious. You're freeing everything that blocks you. And so, a lot of the things that may sound to people that haven't read my books like tree hugging hippie, you know, sit under the pyramid stuff, that's not me. There's actual biological science on how we work. How our fear response works, how all these things work. So if you can leverage the science of what makes your body function to help empower you. Athletes do it. Athletes have to get in that mode so that they get adrenaline to run.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Yes, they work out hard at exercising to make their, their, their meat muscle, you know, their, or what they are as, as good as biologically possible. But that won't get them those reflexes. That won't get them across the finish line.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  And it's the same thing. And by the way, these same techniques will work in finding a partner in life, you know, finding, uh, you know, dating. I mean, it's all straightforward and doable. And that, that's my message with future. But when I realized I'd left some people behind that didn't believe they could do it, I was willing to bet my entire reputation that they can.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  I was worried and I was fearful.

• 56:05Tom Bilyeu?

  But it worked.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Jay, thank you so much, man. Where can people find you? Obviously, go to Amazon, wherever books are sold, kind of thing, but how can people connect?

• 56:15Speaker 01

  So as I did with the first book, I made a workbook. So there's more exercises. It's all free. It's 32 pages and you can get that at my website, jaysemit.com, J A Y S A M I T dot com. You can follow me on social media, LinkedIn, anywhere. Love to hear from you. Love to hear the,

• 56:35Speaker 01

  how you feel about the book and hope that everybody, you know, gets their journey made a little bit easier. Thank you so much again. Thank you for writing the foreword.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  For Tumble.

• 56:49Tom Bilyeu?

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