Ep. 756: Sounding Off and Feral Hogs | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Janis Putelis, Randall Williams, and Brody Henderson recap Janis and Brody's trip to the fish shack, chat about Randall and Steve's latest audiobook project, The Buffalo Hunters, talk with Rich Froning about his new podcast, In Pursuit, go over their top 3 sounds to hear in the woods, and dive deep with guest Parker Hall on feral hogs in Florida. Brought to you in part by MTN Ops. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Steven Rinella?

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• 1:29Steven Rinella?

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• 2:13Steven Rinella?

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• 2:47Speaker 02

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. mountain time. Phil's giggling again because I missed the exact timing of this intro, but oh well, we'll keep on going. 11 a.m. mountain time, that's 8 p.m. for our friends in Latvia. What up Linda, Caspar, Caspar, everybody else? It's Thursday, August 28th, and we're live from Meat Eater Headquarters in a fall-like Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Yanis Patelis, joined today by Randall, Big Randy Williams, and Brody of Kerry and the Hendersons Henderson. That was a tongue twister. Like I said, it feels a lot like fall and that has me fired up. The Aspens are showing a sprinkling of yellow leaves.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  The high today is only 65 degrees. I heard a bugle last night. Montana's archery season opens in nine days. Hmm. And my broadheads are flying true. Oh my. Today on the show, we'll hear about my and Brody's recent trip to Alaska, an audio project called Hide Hunters, our favorite sounds from the outdoors, and a new trail camera photo contest. Rich Froning is phoning in to tell us about the hardest moment in CrossFit competition. And finally, we'll chat with Meat Eater guest star, Parker Hall, about trapping feral pigs in Florida to save sea turtles.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Boys, does it feel like fall to you too?

• 4:38Speaker 04

  It does, but you know. You know, summer's coming back.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  I know, I checked the weather today after we, because this rain was unexpected, to me at least. I had not been checking the weather and then yesterday and today it's all like. Cool, rainy.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Great weather for running and I've been enjoying that.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  I haven't done any running.

• 4:58Speaker 05

  I'm just hoping that this puts an end to fire season.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I didn't check that this morning either. Do you know if any of the fires were extinguished from yesterday's rain?

• 5:06Speaker 05

  No idea, but thinking hopeful thoughts.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  But are you guys jacked too? It's not quite September, but we're almost there.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  Are you guys like, it's here, it's on?

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Monday is a grouse opener. We'll be out there and that's like the official start.

• 5:24Speaker 05

  I'm not quite there yet. I'm not quite.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  You're not feeling it?

• 5:27Speaker 05

  Well, I'm excited, but I, I don't feel like it's at the doorstep quite yet. Got a little travel up ahead of us and.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  His broadheads aren't flying true like yours.

• 5:37Speaker 05

  Well, my broadheads are still hanging on the rack at a store somewhere because I'm just waiting to burn some powder.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  Uh huh, I know. See, that's the thing. You got, if you want to really get fired up at the end of August, you kind of got to be an upland hunter like Brody or an archery hunter. Now you mentioned we're doing some traveling. We might as well get this out of the way. Randall and I are going to be in Columbus, Ohio on Saturday. Do you have the exact location handy?

• 6:01Speaker 05

  Uh, I do not.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Well, while he's, Randall's looking that up, we're doing the tailgate tour again and Randall and I are going to be there for the Ohio State and Texas.

• 6:11Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Uh, game on Saturday. Um, hanging out. Um, so if you're in the area, uh, go to the website. I'm sure you can get all the deets there on where to find us. Randall might have it pulled up.

• 6:24Speaker 05

  We will be at the Dublin Market at Bridge Park.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Okay, Dublin Market at Bridge Park. It's going to be early because, uh, the game starts at 11.

• 6:33Speaker 05

  We're going to start at noon. I'm sorry, we're going to start at 9 a.m.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Nine, 9 a.m.

• 6:38Speaker 05

  Kickoff's at noon.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  So you've probably roughly got two hours to come and see us, nine to 11, Saturday morning. Come and hang out, uh, tell me a hunting story, take a picture, whatever you want to do. We'd love to see you.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  Does it say where I'm going to be on, where ours is on the 27th?

• 6:53Speaker 05

  TBD on your location.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  We'll have to come back to that later.

• 6:55Speaker 05

  Yep, we'll revisit that.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Uh, Brody, we got back. Uh, what has it been now? Has it been a week or two?

• 7:03Speaker 04

  Two. Two, alright. Two, almost, two. And time flies. Hmm. Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Uh, we were at Fish Shack, Rinella's Fish Shack, um, on Prince of Wales Island. Randall, you've been there for a bear hunt.

• 7:14Speaker 05

  I have.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Rhodey, you've been there a whole bunch with your family. This is the first time I took my family there. My biggest worry going into this one was like how my kids, my girls, were going to deal with.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  Steve?

• 7:30Speaker 03

  A little bit, but they've been around him enough. They've kind of grown up with him that they kind of know what to expect and they get my. I, I, I coached them on how to deal with that too, you know? And so that's not too big of a deal because they've been around him. But no, the, uh, southeast Alaska's sort of constant rain, the, the, the constant fifty-five degree temperature. That's really not warm, not cold, but you know, it's like if you're wet in that, those temps, it can, it can be uncomfortable.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, and you're always wet even when it's not raining.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Totally. The living conditions up there, um, it's not unsanitary or anything, but it's very sparse.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Well.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  You know, it's, it's, it is a shack.

• 8:12Speaker 05

  When I was up there, I couldn't get all of the mink shit off my bed that I was sleeping in.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  That's the danger of.

• 8:18Speaker 05

  We got most of the mink shit, but I couldn't get all of it.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, because you were probably the first one there for the season, so you had to deal with all that. Luckily, we were there after all that had been taken care of.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, each consecutive group just scrapes off a little more mink shit and by the time you're the last group like us.

• 8:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  No more mink shit.

• 8:34Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  But we, last group, man, I would rather be the first group. I've only done that like once, maybe twice.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  You would rather be a middle group.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  Oh, you're right.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  The reason we're saying that like middle, like there's a, there's actually four owners of the fish shack. And so there's a period of probably a span of maybe close to two months, roughly.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, six weeks, yeah.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  And the first group comes, you gotta do the job of opening the place up.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  Which isn't bad.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  But then there's like group two, three and four, who like get to just roll in, do their thing and leave. Now, there's work to be done for every group, but the opening and then the shutting the place down is like, it takes a day. It took us a day to shut the place down on our way out.

• 9:16Speaker 05

  Because you're pulling motors off boats and.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  Oh, it's back.

• 9:18Speaker 05

  Getting the water lines all cleared out.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, but to finish my original, um, thought here is I was worried about my girls and how they were going to do there. My wife, I know she's going to be fine. No big deal. Uh, they like excelled, exceeded expectations. Not only did they never once, uh, like even kind of talk about the weather. Like, I don't think they talked about the rain. The adults are bitching about the rain, but the kids like, don't bring it up. They're just like, whatever, man. We put our slickers on and we're going. And that was my big thing too.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  Or not put them on and just run around wet.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then, bro, my girls, I'm like, you girls are gonna learn a lesson. Bro, he's like, I told you.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Brody gets after his kids when they're making mistakes, like running around without raincoats. But anyways, the kids excelled. They didn't give a shit about the rain. And that water is roughly what?

• 10:10Speaker 04

  In the 50s.

• 10:12Speaker 03

  In the 50s. Those kids swam every single day of our trip.

• 10:16Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  The water would come in, the tide would get high, and they would be in the cove, just splashing around like they were at the beach in North Carolina.

• 10:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Couldn't care about the temp.

• 10:25Speaker 04

  Matt Rinella, Matty, he runs around in shorts and crocs, like no rain gear. That kid's impervious to the weather. It's just like, it doesn't affect him.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Um, my oldest received this prestigious Cock of the Cove Award from Steven Rinella.

• 10:41Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  Um, to put this in perspective, uh, we actually have to plan when we're gonna eat dinner, the rest of us, without Steve knowing. Because if you eat dinner, we were eating dinner kinda late, I felt like, a couple nights. And I was like, man, let's eat a little bit earlier. And chef Andy Radzalowski's like, yeah, sure, we can eat it earlier, but, and I didn't really get the but. I guess I wasn't listening. What happens? The next night we eat earlier, we're done at like 7. There's like 90 minutes, maybe two hours of kinda some light left. Well, everybody else wants to like play Bananagrams and have another beer.

• 11:20Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Steven Rinella's like looking out the window and he's like, whoa, we got plenty of time to dig a hole. We're gonna carry some rocks. We're gonna chain one of the big rocks in the hole, then we're gonna cover up the hole and then chain it to my new floating dock. And everybody's kinda looking around like, he's like, who's with me? No one raises a hand. So that's the problem with eating too early. So after that, we were really precise that when we finished eating, there would not be quite enough time to get another chore done. It could just be a little bit of relaxation and time for bed.

• 11:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, that, that was like, we had never done the eating early before.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  You never tried it?

• 11:59Speaker 04

  No, it's always like you eat and go to bed. Which like, you got, you get, you know, it's a long day, but it doesn't leave any time for, you just eat, go to bed.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Okay, I've said this to let you all know that when you're at Rinella's Fish Shack, and I'd like to know if you had a similar experience, but there's work to be done. There's like, uh, shack improvement projects that are ongoing. There's, um, just general upkeep of engines and like, you name it. And then there's the daily stuff, just to keep yourself alive, cooking and eating and cleaning up after yourself and all that stuff. Well, the cock of the cove gets the award when like, you're always Johnny on the spot. You're raising your hand when at like 6:00 PM, no one else wants to go pull shrimp pots. Steve's like, we're going to pull shrimp pots. Who wants to go? You raise your hand. Or dinner's over, everybody else is chilling, rubbing their bellies, adjusting their belts.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  There's a lot of dirty dishes, you get up and start doing the dishes, right? That sort of stuff. Oh, you gotta make another run back from the boats to get more bait. I'll go run back to get more bait, right? Well, my daughter, very proud of her, she chipped in and was crushing it and, uh, Steve awarded her cock of the cove.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  Well deserved.

• 13:14Speaker 05

  Does that entitle her to any sort of liberties the next time around or diminished responsibility?

• 13:21Speaker 04

  Your slate is cleared.

• 13:22Speaker 05

  Just sort of an honorary, yeah, gotcha.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, pat yourself on the back and move on.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Yep. Yeah, Hayden, my kid Hayden was awarded chief fillet officer.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Oh, that's a prestigious honor.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, he, he, he was after it this year.

• 13:37Speaker 03

  Randall, when you were there, did you feel like you worked your ass off?

• 13:41Speaker 05

  Not really. Um, we didn't do a ton of projects because we were filming. And so the focus was on like getting stuff done.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  Uh, I just. That's interesting because usually even when I've been up there in the past filming, Steve will be like, okay, we did eight hours of filming, now let's do four hours of manual labor.

• 14:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, we, well, we were like, we were a little under the gun until I killed my bear. And then it was like, because we had, we had two bear tags to fill. And so the first two, you know, we flew in, couldn't hunt. And we had a day where we didn't, uh, Steve and I chased a couple, didn't get an opportunity. Then we had a day where it just rained all night and all day and bears didn't come out. Steve and I sat in the rain. So at that point, there was a little bit of anxiety.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Hmm, I see.

• 14:31Speaker 05

  But when I was up there, I, I just sort of decided that I was gonna fill the generator.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  That was gonna be your duty.

• 14:37Speaker 05

  Which brought me back to my days working in Alaska, just filling fuel cans and pouring them and things and uh, that was, I felt like that was a solid contribution. Um.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  Oh, you gotta keep the Jenny running. Nothing worse when you're sitting there.

• 14:53Speaker 04

  Generator problems this year.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh. We had all kinds of mechanical problems. Um, anything else you want to mention about our great trip?

• 15:02Speaker 04

  No, I mean Seth and I kinda talked fishing up there last, was it last week?

• 15:07Speaker 03

  Hmm, you covered off on this a little bit already.

• 15:09Speaker 04

  Not on, not on.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  You covered off on how Seth kept taking out, uh, Rinella's kids and his, Rinella's kids would catch giant halibut.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, I, I, I let people know if you want to get a big halibut, you get in Seth's boat.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  It's pretty funny. Did you let people know that Steve, uh, missed, uh, the gaff shot?

• 15:27Speaker 04

  Did we talk about that?

• 15:28Speaker 03

  The harpoon shot on your wife's big fish?

• 15:31Speaker 04

  I can't, I can't remember if we talked about that. I think we may have, and he didn't miss it. The, the halibut dodged the harpoon.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, according to Rinella, I don't think he's come forward with this story yet. Um, he should discuss it on, on a future Mediator podcast episode, but, uh, I once was just ridden to hell.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  I was there.

• 15:51Speaker 03

  About, uh, a ga, uh, uh, why am I missing that word? A harpoon throw. I had never done it. I didn't realize, I thought it was kind of like a, "Hiya!", you know, you just like throw it. No, you gotta

• 16:03Speaker 04

  drive it.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Put it in there and, and you gotta let him eat, you know?

• 16:07Speaker 05

  I got to harpoon the big one that Steve caught, and it was one of my favorite things that I've ever done in my life. Cause I'm a big Moby Dick guy.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 16:16Speaker 05

  And I also, when I was guiding up there, like netting a big king is like a pretty intense situation, you know, like, cause the one end of the fish is gonna be hanging out of the net, and if it's the, if it's not the ass end, that thing's gonna swim away. So like, brought me back again to the pressure of getting that fish in the boat, but a harpoon, oh, it's just something very romantic about it.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, Kerry had one on for it.

• 16:41Speaker 05

  And I got it.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  And you, you nailed it.

• 16:43Speaker 05

  But the film crew was, uh, Beachcombing at the time, so it didn't make it into the episode. My, my crowning achievement. Yeah.

• 16:51Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 16:52Speaker 05

  But they found something cool on the beach, I think. I don't remember.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  You know what they say, Randall? If it didn't happen on camera, it didn't happen.

• 16:59Speaker 05

  I know.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Um, yes, Carrie's fish somehow got wrapped up in the anchor line.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, it's like.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  They kinda got that freed up.

• 17:08Speaker 04

  She was, but she wasn't even in the boat with Steve.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:12Speaker 04

  Everything was cool.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Oh, it was?

• 17:15Speaker 04

  Everything was cool. The howl that was coming up and wahhh. Here comes Steve, jumps in their boat. And that's when chaos ensued.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  You're kidding? There is, he is always the common denominator.

• 17:27Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  How, why did he feel like he needed to jump in the boat?

• 17:30Speaker 04

  Because he really wanted Carrie to get that thing. It wasn't like, you're doing it. I, I don't think it was like, oh, you guys are doing something wrong. He wanted her to get it.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  Sure, sure.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  And.

• 17:39Speaker 03

  He wanted it too much. And it'll help if I'm in the boat with you.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. Look, man, like, it's fun to like, point the finger, but shit goes wrong with those big ones all the time.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  Extremely fun. Yeah, no, we lost more big ones, uh, that week than we, than we landed. A hundred, a hundred percent. Um, especially when you got like, kids, like, that are around 10 years old, plus or minus, whatever, a couple, three years. And like, you're kinda helping hold rod, reel rod, and you're like, I can feel the, the, you know, levity of the situation on that rod.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  The last fish you wanna lose.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. And you're just like, Matty, do the best you can, buddy.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Um, speaking of hides, bear hides, you got one, uh, when you were up there, but, uh, you have a project about some hides you're working on.

• 18:30Speaker 05

  Yes, yes. The next, uh, the next edition of Meat Eaters American History is available for preorder right now, wherever you get your audiobooks. This is volume three, uh, Meat Eaters American History, The Hyde Hunters, 1865 to 1883. Where we dive into the, uh, industrial scale slaughter of the American buffalo, as Steve likes to say, in the, uh, period following the Civil War. It will be released officially on October 14th. So if you preorder it now, it'll just be on your phone on October 14th. And you can give it a listen on your drive to hunting camp.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  Can you give me a little snippet of like, one of your favorite stories from this project?

• 19:12Speaker 05

  Oh, boy. Favorite stories. Well.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  Maybe a factoid that you found interesting.

• 19:18Speaker 05

  So, one of the more interesting things is there were several stories about skunks. Uh, one was a guy named Skunk Johnson. And they, they, these guys would big, build what they called dugout shelters. So they'd dig into the side of a stream bank and, and, and he was famous for having a really big elaborate one. And at one point, he was surrounded by a group of, I believe, Comanches. And he just was sort of stuck in there. He holed up like it was a siege and he survived only by eating skunks.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  And then there was another guy who was bitten by a rabid skunk. There were like two or three guys bitten by rabid skunks. Uh, one of which, he crawled under a watering station along the railroad tracks, like those big towers, you know?

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:07Speaker 05

  I guess to get out of the sun and he just died. He never left that place. He crawled under it and died. And then another guy was bitten by a, uh, bitten by a rabid skunk. And when he felt one of the bouts of hydrophobia coming on, he took some of the strychnine that they use to, um, poison the hides for scavengers. And he went out back and he swallowed a slug of strychnine and killed himself.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  That's interesting, cause I almost feel like you gotta try to get bit by a rabid skunk.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  I mean, it makes you wonder how many there were out there.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 05

  You know? Fascinating stuff. And then there's another guy that they think he got bit by a rabid skunk, but they don't know. The skunk either scratched him or bit him while he was sleeping. It got on his face.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  I mean, if you're sleeping in a dugout cave on, in a stream bank, along a stream, I mean, all those critters run those streams and you're in there sleeping and they just come in and,

• 21:01Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Whatever. You swat at it and get bit.

• 21:04Speaker 05

  I think that's my, I think that's one of my more fascinating discoveries from the research is just four stories about skunks.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  The thing I think is cool about is like debunking the myth that these guys were like just blood thirsty, like they're somehow doing it out of malice and when actually it was like

• 21:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  It was like a good job to have at the time.

• 21:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, we get into that. I mean, the in the larger context is like after the Civil War, there's just a lot of sort of restless veterans and displaced people, especially if their hometown had been destroyed in the South or whatever else. Like they come back from war and life doesn't go back to normal for them. So they head out west and also like the 1870s are a time of a lot of economic upheaval and businesses failing and bankruptcies and stuff like that. So, yeah, like there's a resource that's free for the taking and it's understandable that these guys would go out there and try to make a living, especially if they're kind of predisposed to be like adventure seekers. So.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  I'm gonna save listening to it. My daughter and I are road tripping to Wisconsin for the rifle season this year.

• 22:13Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  And I'm gonna save it for that.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  Perfect. It'll get you through.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  I'm gonna make her listen to it.

• 22:18Speaker 05

  It'll get you through, I think, six and a half hours of your drive, something like that. So.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Well, that's like a third.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe get 400 miles out of it. That'd be good.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Totally. Um, let's see, what else we got in our little chit chat section here? Um, shooting with the families. Brody and I went out and did did a little plinking, set up some gongs. I need more stands for the gong so we can have more distances.

• 22:45Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  And not have the same, like two gongs on one frame.

• 22:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, get them dialing weird distances, like, you know, in between distances.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 22:54Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, we were just getting started. We didn't get quite as far along with the the competition thing. We were just, I had a brand new rifle that had never been shot.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 05

  The guys should let me know. I'm just on the other side of the mountain.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  I know. Well, I mean, I come back from doing one of these and then there's always like, oh, I should have called Randall. I should have called, you know, Mike, because he's got a kid that also wants to shoot. But I will say, like, we had just, we were at the max amount of like, how many guns can be going out at once? It's different if it's all adults, when you're trying to watch kids that are shooting.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  It can get hectic.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 05

  I don't need to shoot. I can just help. I can just be there to hear the bang.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. Well, then definitely we could use you.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Luckily, we had some quiet bangs going on, at least until Yanis broke out the rifle with the brake on it.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  Man, it's like, yeah, the brakes are tough these days. But when you go to Canada, you gotta, you gotta shoot, break. Um, I will say it's funny how I told my girls going into it, I'm like, I would like you guys to try to shoot about a box, or a whole box, you know, 20 rounds apiece, however you want to do it. Well, they get through like 10, they've hit every gong and they're kind of like, eh. You know, we've shot enough. I'm like, no, you haven't. You know, we might get to do this one, maybe two times, but in before we go on the youth hunt. Like, we need to shoot a bunch. And I'm like, okay, let's do a little competition. You gotta hit 200, 300, 400, and then come, and then, and then bring it back. And we're gonna time you, you know, and every miss counts for 15 seconds or whatever.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  And as soon as that was down, all of a sudden, everybody's like, all right, let me go, let me go, let me go at it, let me go at it. And, and then they each got another, whatever that was, six shots, five shots, you know, quickly. And it's really good because that little bit of stress of that competition, that is what it's gonna feel like when there's a buck. And you have limited amount of time and there's, all of a sudden, there's stress, stress in the situation. Self-induced usually when you're out hunting, right? But like, there is that stress. But it's, you can, you can mimic that by doing a little bit of a competition. I think it's really good for any shooter, you know? Kids get a lot out of it, but.

• 25:06Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  For any shooter, yeah. Um, I got other stuff I'd love to tell you guys about. All right, one last thing, I promise, Phil, Phil, it's already like, it's gonna be the longest.

• 25:16Speaker 05

  Phil, we got any chat, chat going on?

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Second longest episode.

• 25:20Speaker 06

  Most of the chat just complaining that Yanis won't shut the hell up.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  No, they aren't. Are they really?

• 25:25Speaker 06

  No, everyone's loving it. I'm just, I'm just joshing.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  All right, this is great. Uh, Sunday morning, we're having uh breakfast, kind of a late, late brunchy breakfast, the family. And someone looks over and is like, holy, look at Mingus's leg. And on his like lower, uh, I forget which, which front leg it's on, I think it's his left, but you know, maybe six or eight inches above his paw, big old gash. Like two inches long and it's kind of spread open, like a solid inch, maybe more. I'm like, yeet, you know, like that looks bad. Kind of wondering like, who's gonna, who's gonna be the one that takes him to the vet?

• 26:01Speaker 04

  And just for like, people who are listening, you kind of let him roam around and do his own thing.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, we don't have a fence, we don't have a fenced yard. Uh, he wears his uh GPS collar every single day of his life. And then that way, when he, he usually, he's not much of a roamer until it gets uh evening time and it cools off. And then all of a sudden he starts to roam.

• 26:22Speaker 05

  I'm the same way.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  And uh, anyway, so it probably happened the evening before, no one noticed it. And then the next morning like, hey, look at that. Well, all of a sudden, everybody else has somewhere to be. So I'm left with Mingus in his open wound and they're like, take care of it. And I forget, I had to go somewhere too, so I didn't have that much time. Um, but I take a picture, send it to my buddy Jake. I'm like, what would you do right now? He's like, that looks pretty fresh. I think you can just staple it up.

• 26:53Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  I'm like, okay, I have bought the staple gun already, I'm prepared, sitting in my truck. In case we have a mountain lion, you know, mishap. And uh,

• 27:03Speaker 05

  It's like the first thing you need to buy when you're a houndsman.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, I, yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  GPS collar and a staple gun.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Totally. And uh, so I've got that, I watch a couple YouTube videos. Irrigate it with uh, you know, some uh warmed, hot saline solution. Uh, irrigate the hell out of it, maybe scrub it a little bit and uh staple her shut and you're on your way. And uh, so I did that. I got to the, oh, I later we had to meet at a volleyball game for my oldest and I'm like showing him pictures and, and telling him my story. They were incredulous.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  They're like, you didn't do that? You went to the vet. I'm like, no, no, no. I like watched YouTube video and stapled my dog up. It wasn't that hard. And they're looking at it and they're like, well, it looks pretty good, dad. You know, I'm like, well, like it wasn't that hard, but they're very much like,

• 27:53Steven Rinella?

  Nice.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Did you really do this? Um, and then, uh, later though, I caught a lot of scrutiny about like, it's pissing a lot. Maybe you look swollen. Are you sure you did it right? Anyways, I felt like I should be a vet.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 28:09Steven Rinella?

  That's great.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  After doing that, I'm like,

• 28:11Speaker 04

  I've super glued a dog, but not, but stapling, like, did he squirm or yelp?

• 28:16Speaker 03

  He, he gave me like a false, uh,

• 28:18Steven Rinella?

  Snap.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Snap when I irrigated.

• 28:21Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  But the staples, he barely flinched.

• 28:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I didn't anesthetize him.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Was it like clean, like sharp barbed wire kind of cut?

• 28:32Speaker 03

  That's, that's what I'm thinking.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  You know, especially in that spot.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:35Steven Rinella?

  Classic.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  And there's plenty of barbed wire on our property, you know? So, all right. Thank you all for, uh,

• 28:42Speaker 04

  That's the show, folks.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  For coming. We're halfway through.

• 28:49Steven Rinella?

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• 31:28Speaker 03

  We're going to interview Rich Throning now. And this interview, this first one, is brought to you by none other than Mountain Ops. Whether you're training for the mountain or just trying to feel your best every single day, Mountain Ops has your back. Speaking of performance, we're joined today by one of the most accomplished athletes in the world of fitness, four-time CrossFit Games champion, and the man often called the fittest on earth. You guys thought that was me, but no, we're talking about Rich Froning. Um, and he's here bringing that all together in a brand new podcast called In Pursuit,

• 32:09Speaker 03

  where he's exploring how the grit of competition and the challenges of the wild connect to something deeper in all of us. Rich, welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. How are you?

• 32:21Speaker 06

  What's up, boys? How we doing?

• 32:23Speaker 05

  Excellent.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  We're doing great. Is it feeling, Rich, you're down in Nashville, correct?

• 32:27Speaker 06

  A little bit east in Cookeville, but man, it's, it's, it feels like fall here, man. It's getting me fired up. Mornings are crisp, you know, hot during the day, but it cools off pretty good at the evening. So, man, we just had velvet hunt this weekend. I didn't actually get to go out. I was in Texas, but seeing the pictures, man, it's getting me fired up.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I love to hear it. I always thought you were gonna tell me it's just been still hot as balls and it's still summertime, but it sounds like balls there.

• 32:50Speaker 06

  No, humidity dropped this week and man, it's just, you walk outside expecting to just get knocked down by a wall of humidity and there's none. It's, it feels, feels like fall.

• 32:59Speaker 03

  Wonderful.

• 33:00Speaker 05

  Lovely.

• 33:01Speaker 03

  Um, Rich, can you give our listeners a quick behind the scenes peek? Um, and what inspired you to do, uh, the In Pursuit podcast? Like, what's going on with this podcast?

• 33:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, man, it's just a good time and it's honestly, it's just me nerding out and, uh, listening to some specialists in different areas, uh, whether it's, you know, we had, uh, Joel Turner, that episode just launched today. Um, we had Kip Fokes who, uh, runs a, uh, he's got an outfitter up in Alaska for grizzly, moose and all that. And then Joel, we've had on, uh, just talking about shot IQ stuff and the high stress stuff you're talking about with, uh, shooting rifles. We do, he, he does a lot with bows. Uh, so it's just cool to talk to those guys and pick their brains. Uh, we had an NFL guy that, Zach Seeler, that just actually signed a $45 million contract a couple of days after he left here. So, uh, you know, we asked him for a percentage of that since we probably helped with that. But man, it's just, uh, it's my own, uh, I guess pursuit

• 33:59Speaker 06

  for knowledge for, or lack of better terms of just getting exposed to different guys and what they're doing and, um, in the hunting and then also just in, in sport and how we can relate that to the outdoors.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  On that note, like, there's, just reading through sort of the ideas behind, in Pursuit, there's like the grit of mountain hunting, and then how that aligns with, you know, physical performance and the disciplines of CrossFit. Like, how do you, how do you see those two, like, where's that intersection for you?

• 34:29Speaker 06

  Man, I think it's just being a well-rounded athlete. I mean, you just finished a 100-mile race, what, a couple of weeks ago?

• 34:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's been a month now, but...

• 34:37Speaker 05

  And still feel it.

• 34:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, I bet you're still feeling it, yeah. You know, and so with CrossFit, obviously, the, the idea is, you know, without getting too nerdy in it, you know, you, you don't want to be the, the strongest guy in the room, you don't want to be the guy that has the most power, but you also don't want to be the, you know, long, slow guy. You want to kind of be a mix or, or have, have some ability at each of those spots. And so, yeah, the idea is like, man, we just want to be as prepared for the mountains, preferably. You know, that's where my heart is. We got a bunch of guys here that are eastern hunters, and I've, in the last little bit, started doing some whitetail, but my heart's still out west as, as much as, you know, I'm stuck here in Tennessee. But, you know, we're going

• 35:20Speaker 06

  on two elk hunts in the next couple of weeks, archery, and so just being prepared for that, me personally, but also taking that and just helping people that want to, to go out and, and be able to go after something.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  What, tell me, I was thinking about this, I had some, during that 100-mile race, there were some real low points. I could probably, I could point to a couple moments that were like, what I would describe as the hardest. And we'll get to that. I'm actually going to come down and visit Rich, and we're going to talk about this business. But, what in all of your career of competing in CrossFit, is there a moment that stands out to you where you're like, oh, during this competition and this moment, I struggled and had to get through this low point to, to make it to the other side?

• 36:10Speaker 06

  Man, I probably have too many to list. Um, probably the most infamous one was my first CrossFit Games. Um, as an individual, I, uh, you know, the final event, I was leading going into the final and a rope climb. Uh, is the, there was like a three-part event and the final part was a, a rope climb with some burpees in there. And really didn't think anything about it until I started getting to the rope and having done two workouts before that, just couldn't get up the rope. A lot of guys using their feet. When I was a kid, my dad told me not to use my feet because that's for, you know, use whatever acronym you want to use or whatever order you want to use there. Um, I didn't know if it's PG or PG thirteen show. And so I just never used my feet. And so all these guys are going up and down the rope. Well, I got up in a couple of times and, uh, felt pretty good. I think it was about twenty feet.

• 36:54Speaker 06

  And there's, if you type in, uh, Rich Froning falls off rope on YouTube, you're welcome. Uh, but man, yeah, you just, you, I ended up losing the CrossFit Games by three points, uh, which is three places throughout the whole weekend. And man, I was just in a bad spot. And so, you know, there's different things that you can look back on and man, I just, I hate losing. I hate, um, being that guy that I, it's just, I was born into a family of thirty-two first cousins, twenty-five of us are boys. My entire life has been a competition. And so, um, I hate losing. I hate failure. I hate all that. So, man, it's just, uh, used it as a motivator. In the next couple of years, I was like, man, I don't want to have that shame and, you know, huge in my faith. And so that was a, that was a big kind of, uh, eye opener to that of like, man, just, uh, do it for something else. Do it for something bigger than just yourself.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  Awesome. It sounds like quite the fall. I'm definitely YouTubing that. I think Randall's already got it. Yeah, I already got it pulled up.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  I don't know if the sound's on my computer, so I don't want to fire it up right now, but it's lined up.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  All right.

• 37:51Speaker 06

  Blown up. Always ready?

• 37:52Speaker 03

  Rich, Rich, you mentioned, uh, Joel Turner, Kip, uh, uh, uh, me. Who, who else you got that's, uh, that's coming on to talk, uh, on In Pursuit that you're excited about?

• 38:04Speaker 06

  Man, we had Andy Galpin in, Dr. Andy Galpin, he's a.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I listen to him.

• 38:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, man, that was a cool, me, you know, being a nerd, being a fitness nerd, uh, this is what my background is, my degree in, so, uh, being able to like nerd out on that type of stuff was a ton of fun. I've got another guy, Todd Anderson, uh, which is, he's become a friend of mine. He's really into sleep. That'll be a ton of fun of like, you know, what we think, just some minor changes you can make, uh, to, to improve performance, cause I think one of the biggest things in recovery is sleep. Um, we've got a couple new, maybe some nutritionists lined up and athletic therapists or athletic trainer. Uh, so just like, you know, we all see the like CrossFit style stuff or the ultra endurance stuff, but, you know, the taking care of your body, um, when you're not in the gym or not, you know, training for something even outdoors.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  I can tell you, that was my favorite part about running a hundred miles was the, uh, two weeks of recovery and taking that very seriously, which basically means you just sleep your ass off. Lots of naps. Um, is this guy you're gonna talk to, is he a nap proponent? Cause I've been hearing that.

• 39:09Speaker 06

  Some people, I, we didn't really, we haven't gotten into it yet. He's coming on in the next couple of weeks. Um, I mean, I'm, I can't nap. I just, my brain doesn't shut off during the day as, as bad as that sounds like. Once I'm up, I'm up. Um, and so we'll see, man. Now I'll ask him about naps. I'll make sure to put that one on there when we're on there. I'll say, Yannis wants to know about naps.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Oh, definitely. Yeah. Cause I listened to one, I think it was actually on Galpin's show. He was talking to a sleep researcher from the army. And, uh, a couple of big takeaways was one, uh, yeah, naps are great. Don't go over 20 minutes. And then LeBron James takes three to four a day.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  That's what I was gonna say. Napping's huge in the NBA, especially with late tip offs.

• 39:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, that would do it.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  So.

• 39:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, you gotta control those cortisol fluctuations, so.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  And, and I mean, you wanna talk about a, a crossover for elk hunting? If I don't get my midday nap in on elk hunt, I am just, I'm gonna be going downhill.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Little reset.

• 40:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, gotta get that little midday nap in. All right, man, well, I'll look forward to, uh, hearing some episodes. Where can we, uh, find In Pursuit?

• 40:14Speaker 06

  The Meat Eater Podcast Network. It's uh, I think today we just dropped the one with um, we Kip was last two weeks ago and this uh, today was Joel Turner. So uh, those will be on there on, on I guess the channel that this is on. So.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Perfect. We'll check them out there. Well, thanks for Kai joining us, uh, taking time away from your busy day. And um, yeah, I look forward to hanging out in Nashville here when I can get down there to talk running.

• 40:38Speaker 06

  Come on, boys. Appreciate it.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  All right. Thanks, Rich.

• 40:41Speaker 05

  See ya.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Okay. That was Rich Froning, the In Pursuit Podcast. I haven't listened yet, but I need to, especially if he's gonna talk, start talking about sleep, man. I'm into staying up on my sleep.

• 40:55Speaker 05

  Nothing like talking about sleep.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  I'm serious.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  I know. I know.

• 40:59Speaker 03

  I'm serious.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  But it's also sort of funny.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  It is. It is. But people like he just said, people don't take it seriously enough, man. You're not performing at like.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  I can't even sleep in the nighttime, much less the daytime. Yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  Oh, I take my sleep very seriously.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Well, everybody does, but I feel for you because I know a lot of, not a lot, but I know quite a few people in my life that don't have, sorry guys, that have a hard time.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  Oh, all I in bed for hours.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  Sleeping in general.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  All I in bed for hours, just staring at the walls. Get up, walk around, go read a book.

• 41:30Speaker 03

  Take a cold shower.

• 41:31Speaker 05

  Read until my eyes close on the page. Then do that three more times and then I'm probably ready.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:38Speaker 05

  Working through the right stuff right now. Book about airplanes and uh, space travel, about the astronauts, actually.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  Right. As in WR?

• 41:45Speaker 05

  As in R I T H. R I G, R I T H. R I G H T. Sorry. Didn't get a lot of sleep last night. Yeah. Chuck Yeager.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Um, all right. Real quick, this won't take five minutes. Uh, Multrie Mobile Trail Cam. I say that, guys, because in my little script here, it says roughly how long these little bits take.

• 42:05Speaker 05

  But it's good. We can make up some time here.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Mobey Multrie Mobile Trail Cam Photo Contest Round Three. Okay? It's called, titled Big Bull Elk.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  You can go to how to enter your photographs. You go to, there's gonna be an article. I think we're dropping it today on Meat Eater website. And you can submit your big bull elk trail camp photos. We'll pick the top four photos to showcase during next week's show. And then have the chat. So if you come and listen next week live, you're gonna get to actually pick the winner. The chat will do it.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Prizes are.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  Tell them what they're gonna win, Yanis.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  Here you go. Two Edge 2 First Light Spectre Camo Edition Moultrie cameras with 10 watt solar power pack bundles.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  I can't say enough about those solar pack bundles, man. It makes them completely hands off. The cameras are hands off now. If they could now just make a function where the solar panel usually kind of, well, the one that's attached comes out of the top.

• 43:07Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  A lot of them have separate solar panels that you just attach to the cord, which I actually like better because that way you can have the solar panel facing south, camera facing north. But what they need now is another thing where a set of like big clippers comes out of the bottom. Cause what happens to me is I set them up in the spring. Nothing's growing.

• 43:25Speaker 05

  Then.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  And then right about now, all of a sudden, it's like this in front of my cameras. And Moultrie just needs to have a little thing that comes out and just it can reach out about three feet.

• 43:35Speaker 05

  And if they.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  Just douse, douse the stuff around the camera with some herbicide.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Listen, I'm, I'm, that has thought, that thought has crossed my mind. Alright.

• 43:45Speaker 05

  Once they get a drone, a drone that'll just hang them for you. Be set.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  Um, there's three prizes. It doesn't say if there's like a number one, number two, number three prize. They're all good prizes. Prize number two, $250 gift card to the Meat Eater store. A $250 gift card to First Light.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  My goodness.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  And prize four, I'm sorry, there's four prizes. A Case Knives Brett Reeves Signature Mini Trapper Knife.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, doesn't the winner just get all that stuff?

• 44:14Speaker 05

  That seems excessive.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Oh, may, maybe.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Phil, have we just been picking one winner for those, haven't we?

• 44:21Speaker 03

  Damn. Yeah.

• 44:23Speaker 07

  One winner gets everything.

• 44:24Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 44:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  All right. I gotta set up some trail cameras.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Get a quick, awesome bull elk picture. My guess, if, if, if I could just like look into the future a little bit.

• 44:36Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 44:37Speaker 03

  It's gonna be something with a bull elk in a wallow.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  That's a typical spot for a trail cam.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Yep, and you get some water splashing, maybe a bull on his back, pissing all over himself.

• 44:50Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  You could put it on a telephone pole outside Mammoth, Mammoth Hot Springs, too, and you'd do all right.

• 44:56Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  Hey, I don't know if the park's gonna let you put a camera.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  Just keep it quiet.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  Okay, now we're on to, uh, answering a few questions from the chat. Phil, what do we got today?

• 45:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, and Yanis already said so, but just to reiterate, the article is not up yet, but it will be up later today.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 45:11Speaker 07

  So, yeah, keep your, if you want to check back this evening on the meat eater dot com, it should be pretty obvious. Submit your, it's a multi-trail cam photo.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  You know what is up, uh, right now, though, Phil, is my most recent On The Hunt episode, where I went to Wyoming to shoot a pronghorn.

• 45:26Speaker 07

  Check that out.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Trophy pronghorn.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Trophy.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  I was going for a trophy. I learned a lot about judging trophy pronghorn on this trip.

• 45:34Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 45:34Speaker 07

  You guys want to watch Rich fall off of a rope?

• 45:36Speaker 05

  Yes, please.

• 45:37Speaker 07

  Okay. Yeah, I felt bad doing it when he was on the line, but.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Here's Rich going up. He's only using his arms.

• 45:44Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Oh, dang, Rich.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  That's a, that could have been a broken tailbone there.

• 45:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, that looked tough. Yeah.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  In that Spartan race me and Hayden did, we watched a guy, um, you got to swing from ring to ring, you know?

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  A big muscular guy like Rich made the big, long swing, but didn't hold on, landed flat on his back and broke his collarbone. Like, we heard, we heard it snap.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Oof. How did you do on those rings?

• 46:10Speaker 04

  I did all right, because I'm like skinny and spry. Don't go out weight.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Dang, that looks rough.

• 46:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  And he still took third place.

• 46:22Speaker 05

  You ever broken your tailbone?

• 46:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  Oh, it's not fun.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  I mean, I've had it.

• 46:26Speaker 07

  How'd you do it? Have you done it?

• 46:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Is there a story?

• 46:29Speaker 05

  Playing basketball, posting the guy up. He thought it'd be funny to just whap with a knee.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 46:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  Oh, that did it?

• 46:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  No kidding?

• 46:37Speaker 05

  Oh, it was awful. Awful. You're Coxics. That's what they call it.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  Randall can't take those hard fouls.

• 46:44Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  I like the fact that you're a, you're a B-ball player. I'm gonna get my hoop down here from my house.

• 46:52Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. And then in the wintertime, we should set it up in my barn.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  And Max? Ooh.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  That's a good idea. I know that we have Max, you.

• 47:00Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Spencer'd play.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  Spencer and Nick Tapia. All right, let's get a question in, Phil.

• 47:07Speaker 07

  Sure, let's get a question in. Uh, let's see here. Trey Woods is asking for some crew score predictions for the tailgate tour, something like college game day. Randall, you got any predictions, predictions you wanna, you wanna share? At least for the game you're going to.

• 47:23Speaker 05

  I guess what I'm thinking is, I just don't want them to lose.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  At home.

• 47:30Speaker 05

  First game of the season. It's gonna be really, coming as defending national champions. I mean, there's just, there's a lot of pressure and Arch Manning, I mean, I don't know. I just, it's gonna be a bad scene if they lose, so I'm thinking positive thoughts. But as you can tell, I'm also thinking negative thoughts, so.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Well, they still have that literal highlight reel of a wide receiver.

• 47:54Speaker 05

  Jeremiah Smith.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, that guy's incredible.

• 47:56Speaker 05

  Jeremiah Smith for Heisman.

• 47:58Speaker 07

  Um, that was actually one of the questions here. Randall, is your predictions for Heisman this year?

• 48:02Speaker 05

  You wanna know some Heisman trivia?

• 48:05Speaker 03

  Please, yeah.

• 48:06Speaker 05

  The figure on the statue?

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  That's Jay Berwanger?

• 48:11Speaker 05

  Quarterback at the University of Chicago, back when we were a powerhouse.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  Hmm, interesting.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  I like that. Randall, you're full of stuff like that. We got another one, Phil.

• 48:21Speaker 07

  That was from Trey. John asks, uh, Yannis, have you seen anyone doing a 100K barefoot?

• 48:26Speaker 03

  Nope, I haven't.

• 48:28Speaker 07

  Is that a thing that happens?

• 48:30Speaker 03

  I, I, I think maybe a little bit. There's a, there's some of that barefoot or like super minimalist shoe stuff going on. The, the thing you see sometimes, there's these running sandals that, um, they are, they are very minimalist. I mean, I mean, the sole is flat and it's like a quarter inch. And then there's just a couple straps going over the foot to hold the sole underneath you. That's the closest I've seen to anybody doing one of these barefoot. And, um, I don't know, if you, if you train in it, they probably finish.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  Sorry, I misspoke. Jay Berwanger was a halfback.

• 49:09Speaker 07

  Uh, hmm, I'm disappointed. Uh, Nathan asks, Crew, what are some plans slash traditions that you have, uh, on Labor Day weekend, if you have any? Do you guys have any sort of go-to activities or stuff to do with the family?

• 49:23Speaker 04

  Camping, fishing and/or hunting.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. Camping, it's a great camping weekend.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  It is, it is.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  Send off to the summer before.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're gonna do a little barbecue with the neighbors.

• 49:38Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  Catch up. We haven't seen him in a little while. Um, my oldest daughter just made, uh, pat on her back again, twice in one episode. She made the, uh, Bolesman High School, uh, freshman volleyball team, the A-team.

• 49:52Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  And, uh, I've now realized that, uh, it's a fall sport and, um, it's going to affect, uh, our fall activities.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. My son's figuring that out with the cross country.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Luckily for you season, they don't, it's not gonna affect.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  It's not, we're, we're good for antelope opener in you season.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  All right, all right. And those are the two big ones for us right now. Do you want to do another one, Phil?

• 50:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't know how much has been announced or how much we can say, but Azor King asks, "When is the Meat Eater crew going to do live podcast tours again?"

• 50:25Speaker 05

  I don't think we can say.

• 50:26Speaker 07

  Okay, I would say just-

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Is that right?

• 50:28Speaker 07

  Just keep your eyes-

• 50:30Speaker 05

  I don't want to do it.

• 50:31Speaker 07

  Open. I'm not doing anything.

• 50:32Speaker 05

  I'm not gonna touch it.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, just stay posted. It'll, yeah.

• 50:35Speaker 05

  Hang on.

• 50:36Speaker 07

  Keep your eyes open.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 07

  It's not gonna be, yeah, yeah, I don't know about like the-

• 50:40Speaker 05

  I don't even think you should have clicked on this question, Phil.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  Be optimistic and stay posted.

• 50:45Speaker 07

  There you go, Brody.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you like live in the southeast part of the country, you're probably gonna be pretty excited.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  We're gonna get a call from the C-suite here in a minute.

• 50:55Speaker 03

  If, nobody had said we can't talk about it, so what the hell?

• 50:59Speaker 05

  I just assume I can't talk about things until they tell me to plug it.

• 51:02Speaker 07

  Clean lines of communication around here if they're gonna be mad about it.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  Let's move on. We got a lot of stuff to cover. All right, all right, all right.

• 51:09Speaker 07

  Brody says no more questions. All right, sorry, guys.

• 51:12Speaker 05

  We can do a long, we can do a long-ending question sesh.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  Onto our next interview. Many of you know Parker Hall from Meat Eater's Season 8 episode, "Flathead Catfish and Gray Squirrels", where he taught Steve how to eat sunflower seeds properly, specifically how to build a little gravy in the seeds. This was alongside bank pole fishing for flatheads and squirrel hunting with his feist Ruby. Uh, this episode is recently released on the YouTube channel, um, as part of Season 8 being released there. That started, I think, about a month ago. Um, this is the first episode, um, in Season 8. Highly recommend you check it out.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  There's a very good tutorial on how to fry fish the right way in there, too.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Yes, I, I still do things that I learned from Parker, uh, on that trip. One being, speaking of fried fish, Parker's probably, he's not on yet, so he can't even talk. He's, I'm, I'm talking for him, but Parker seasons his fish before breading it, which I think is crucial.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  The other day, we did a breading that had mixed, um, sizes of the breading itself. Like, there was some panko, there was some flour, some cornstarch. As the breading got used up- The, the big stuff, the panko was gone. It was turning into a just flour and corn starched breading. Which is why, if you think about it, salt and pepper are similarly sized, right? They're fine. And that's why Parker does all, seasons the fish first. Because if it's in your breading, that salt and pepper are not getting onto the fish as much as whatever bigger chunks of breading you have on there. Say it's cornmeal or whatever, right? So if you want even seasoning, you gotta season the fish first. Thanks, Parker. All right. Uh, let's see.

• 52:57Speaker 05

  He's, he's.

• 52:58Speaker 07

  He's currently watching, watching this and cannot say anything.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  We thanked him.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Okay, um, let's see.

• 53:04Speaker 07

  We don't even, we don't even need to bring him on anymore. I think you just covered it.

• 53:09Steven Rinella?

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• 54:28Steven Rinella?

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• 55:51Speaker 03

  Parker and I stay in touch via text, usually sending each other videos of our dogs barking on trail or tree. If you know, you know. Parker is the State Director of the USDA's Wildlife Services Florida Program and his main focus is alleviating damages associated with feral swine. This includes protection of agriculture, natural resources, threatened and endangered species, and disease monitoring. Today he's joining us while he's taking DNA samples from trapped hogs that are threatening sea turtles. Did you know that? That could be a thing?

• 56:28Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  You know.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  Welcome to the show, Parker.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Uh oh, I can't hear him.

• 56:37Speaker 07

  I don't think it's my fault. You got your mic on, Parker?

• 56:42Speaker 06

  How about now?

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Hey. Beautiful. Nailed it.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Did you like that introduction, Parker?

• 56:51Speaker 06

  That was great. That was perfect introduction and also perfect description of why you should bread. I mean, season your fish first. Excellent, excellent description. Perfect.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  Okay, I see that you have a what looks to be either a dead or a necrosized pig in front of you. What are you doing with that thing?

• 57:12Speaker 06

  So, thank you for the introduction and good overview. This, this is a dead pig, not a necrosized. So, something we do in the state is protect, like you said, agriculture, threatened endangered species, sea turtles, people who are trying to manage their land and being overrun with pigs. We are not actually doing sea turtle protection. Although we do it all over the state, this is a land manager that's trying to manage deer and turkeys and warm season grasses and all those kinds of things. So, we had a group of pigs captured today and part of what we do with USDA Wildlife Services is also monitor for diseases. There's a number of diseases that we take, samples we take and we look at, including pseudorabies,

• 57:56Speaker 06

  brucellosis, classical swine fever, African swine fever. We look at some of the flu viruses, HPAI, all sorts of things. So, as part of that, all the pigs that we capture, we do take samples of them. And I was just going to kind of go through that today and show you guys what we take. And then if there's any questions you have about what we're looking for, why we're looking for it, that'd be perfect.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  All right. So, move on.

• 58:21Speaker 06

  All right. So, what we have to do is make sure we put on our PPE. It's kind of, it's good to wear PPE when you're taking samples and dealing with feral swine. And most of you guys know, and one thing that we, we deal with in the southeast, particularly with feral swine, to an extent, is pseudorabies and brucellosis. So, pseudorabies is not a zoonotic disease, meaning we can't, people can't get it, but brucellosis You can and for those of you that are cleaning feral swine and those things that the brucellosis Kind of hangs out in the reproductive tract and the lactating areas and those kinds of things.

• 59:02Speaker 06

  So it's always a good idea to use use some protection when you're when you're cleaning feral swine. If you're if you're going to consume them and all these diseases that we're talking about. Um, some of them could be transferred to people, some can't, but it's they're all all killed. If you cook it to a proper temperature. Um, so something the first thing I'm going to do is going to take some blood. Hopefully this this animal's been dead for some time, so hopefully it's not concealed too much. Um, so pressure's on what I'm doing is trying to make a heart stick. Um, and going in the top of the heart.

• 59:42Speaker 06

  And then that goes into a vial.

• 59:47Speaker 06

  And these these vials are pressurized as you could see. All right, that's this goes into my collection kit. Then I'll take a couple more samples. This next sample, I'll just get a little um drop of uh blood and put it on a um.

• 1:00:04Speaker 06

  On a Q tip and then that goes in some media. Which I cannot open.

• 1:00:12Speaker 06

  Get my Q tip out.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Hey, Parker, if you've got a helper there, would you mind asking them just to angle that camera just up just a hair? We're mostly just looking at the bottom half of your face.

• 1:00:25Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:00:30Speaker 06

  How's that?

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  There we go. Perfect.

• 1:00:32Speaker 06

  Better? Okay, good. All right, and this this goes into media and this in this one particular is looking for a foreign animals. If um African swine fever, we don't, we do not have that in um in the United States, but it's in Haiti and And down that those type of areas, it's in Africa. Um, it's pretty bad. We don't want it in in feral swine in the United States. And the reason we look for a lot of these diseases in feral swine is for protection of our domestics. So some of them we used to have, we've eradicated um and we're trying to keep them out. The feral swine. All over the country can act as a reservoir, right? So if a disease gets in those wild populations, it's much more difficult to get rid of or treat or do whatever you need to do.

• 1:01:17Speaker 06

  The ones that are in captivity, the ones we use for our food source, we could treat those animals and kind of stamp out diseases. So it's really bad if they get in the, in the, in the wild. Try to keep them, you know, try to keep monitoring and if we see something, then we can take proper precautions and talk with our, our state ag and, and our state wildlife agencies and then they can take the steps that they're, they're going to do. So got that one. And the last sample I'll take off of this animal, um, is DNA. Genetic sample.

• 1:01:51Speaker 06

  That's just an ear clip. We take that and put that into this media and then that scent. And what we're trying to do in USDA is get a map of feral swine all over the, all over the continental United States to see movements, to see if animals came from one area, been relocated to another area, um, try to stop translocation, try to see natural movements and, and how they're doing. Pigs are, pigs are really taking off all over the country and we're learning a lot of valuable information using this genetic technique.

• 1:02:31Speaker 06

  So those are the three main samples that we would get. That all goes on to a, a data sheet and you can notice they have these barcodes. So when we send that in, the barcode matches with the file scan, scan, scan and goes into, um, you know, the list and then all of our exile, Excel spreadsheets get sent to us and people go through those and take them, take a look and see what our prevalence, prevalences are. Um, like I said, mostly in the southeast, pseudorabies, brucellosis are ones we have. Um, and along with trich, trichinosis, lepto, um, those, those types of things. Um, we also, we also look and when it, we first get the animal, we just kind of go over it and see if there's any lesions or anything that look, that's looking abnormal.

• 1:03:14Speaker 06

  And if there, there are something, we see some blistering, some sloughing of the hooves, then we contact our, our, our state veterinarians and maybe get them involved and see if there's something that, that, you know, was on the landscape that we haven't seen or something we don't want.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  Hey Parker, um, like what percentage of, of the, the pigs you're examining?

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  Have one of these diseases like can you make a ballpark on that?

• 1:03:40Speaker 06

  Actually know the answer to that.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:03:43Speaker 06

  Um, about if I believe it or not, um, about 25% of the pigs that we have in Florida, um, are positive for pseudorabies. Now, like I said, that's, that's not, not it. So people can't get it, but it's fatal in dogs and some other animals. And a little to a lesser extent, um, brucellosis, which is about 15% or so.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:04:05Speaker 06

  So it isn't.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  I have lots of questions, but if you guys have some, please go.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  I don't have a question. I just wanted to say that had I known you were waiting with a dead hog for us, I would have insisted that we interview you first. So you didn't have to sit there with your dead hog and your PPE for 45 minutes, but appreciate you having you on.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  Um, Parker.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  You mentioned, uh, the translocation and that your guys are kind of keeping an eye on that. I'm assuming that that's, uh, being done by humans and that it's probably being done by hunters that want to hunt, uh, feral swine in their area. Is, is that, is that true? Is that what you guys are fighting a little bit?

• 1:04:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's what we find. So USDA is non-regulatory, but if we have a new population show up where they've never been before in the middle of the country, we're able to remove some of those. And then we work with our state game and fish agencies. I feel like these came from, you know, we're in South Dakota and these genetically go back to Orlando or whatever that area. So, um, there's some valuable information that's, that's being gained there. And we, we can tell that there's certain areas in the country where a lot of pigs are coming from. And it, it's, it's pretty neat stuff to be able to see where those hogs are being moved from and where to. So, yes.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  Can you?

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  I was just going to say, can you just tell us, uh, just quickly so we can spread the message of why translocating pigs is a bad idea? If you don't know.

• 1:05:42Speaker 06

  Well, other than the disease issues I've talked about and all the T and E species, agriculture, you know, destruction in the woods, competing with deer and turkeys, they're a non-native invasive species. So it's just like any other non-native invasive species. They don't belong here. They didn't evolve on the landscape and they compete with all of our native animals and, and give our agricultural community a pretty big headache.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Um, I love Parker's job. Parker, you love your job?

• 1:06:15Speaker 06

  Love my job.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Um, how would you, I think there's, there's got to be some kids out there listening, some young people, maybe some old, old people that want to change their career. If someone wanted to get into doing like what you get to do on a daily basis, which is every time we talk to you, I'm like, man, that sounds like fun what Parker's doing. Like what do they need to do in school? And then what do they need to do in after school sort of to get the experience to, to get in that line of work?

• 1:06:41Speaker 06

  Man, thank you for asking that question. Um, we're kind of a smaller agency in wildlife services. So, um, we do have, believe it or not, trouble getting applicants sometimes. So we have different levels of, of, of technicians, you know, there, they can come to work with wildlife services with no college degree. They need some experience in the outdoors, um, trapping, you know, animal damage kind of stuff, any of those types of things. They can come to work in those jobs, those employees are the backbone of wildlife services. They do all the work and we get all the credit. Just like this, this trap behind me and the, and these, um, feral swine that were trapped, I didn't do it. I was too busy doing spreadsheets.

• 1:07:25Speaker 06

  One of my good technicians did it. And so those people are out there and it's a great job. A lot of our jobs are posted on USA jobs. That's the government website. You can also look up, well, your, each wildlife services state has a webpage. You can go and call the state director or call the district supervisor, ask around in the state, um, that they know. As you move up, you do need a college degree, like a four-year degree in some sort of natural resources. Biology, wildlife, all those sorts of things. And that gets you up to that biologist level. And then after you get to that, you can work, work your way up. But the crux and the heart and soul is, is our technicians, you know, um, are, are people who are, who are in the woods making a difference.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Were those pigs pretty easy to trap? Or were these some of those difficult pigs that you've talked about in the past with us?

• 1:08:17Speaker 06

  No, these were, these ones are pretty easy. These, these haven't been messed with a whole lot, so they, they weren't too difficult. And some of them get super hard. And you know, we were talking about a little earlier, protecting, uh, sea turtle nests. And that's a big thing that, that we do. And some of those guys get squirrely because we chase them, we chase them pretty hard. They'll get out, you know, Florida being what it is, we have so much coastline and so many nesting sea turtles and feral swine are in high populations here. So those pigs will get out on the beach and just dig up turtle nest after turtle nest after turtle nest. And some of those can get, can get kind of squirrely to get to.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  If I had known as a younger person that wildlife tech also included trapping and possibly hunting these animals, I could be on a completely different career path.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  Not too late, Yanis.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  All right. Thanks. Thanks for that, Parker. I hope that you actually get some people that call you up interested in possibly working, uh, for that agency. Now, well, before I invited Parker to come on this show, he had texted me and said, hey, man, what you guys should do one time on one of your podcast thingies, that's the term he used, is that, uh, you guys should, uh, name your top three favorite sounds from the woods. And he had already at that time, uh, he, at that moment, he sent me the list, his top three favorite ones, along with a video where you could hear, um, one of the sounds that he said. Um, now Parker, do you want to tell me what your, do you remember what your three are? That you, uh, that you sent to me in text?

• 1:09:53Speaker 06

  I do remember my, I do remember, well, I think I remember my three because they don't really change. But, um, before we get to the three, I think it's super important to point out

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  Please.

• 1:10:03Speaker 06

  that every we do in building up in the outdoors, um, we go through a lot of preparation, a lot of things, and getting all ready and the excitement, and then all of a sudden you're there, but when you hear a sound, you know, it's all come to fruition, something's about to happen. And so I started thinking about that and was like, man, sound is such an important thing, you know, when you're, when you're outside, you know, recreating, hunting, fishing, doing all those sorts of things. So I do know my three.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  All right. Well, I'm gonna let you start then, and I want you to start with, uh, the, the, the number, number three, and then go to two, and then go to the top one.

• 1:10:44Speaker 06

  Okay. Number three for me is probably a tree dog. Um, and I love the sound of a tree dog. Um, you know, I have Ruby and you have your, your good blue dog, who by the way, has a beautiful voice and it echoes out through them mountains. Man, I can't get enough of it. I show it to so many, like, listen to this dog.

• 1:11:10Speaker 06

  I love it. And you know, you, you're, you're running a track, running a track, running a track, and then it, it changes that chomp. Man, you know something's about to happen. So I really love that part.

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  Beautiful. Phil, do you also have Parker's, uh, Ruby?

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  All right, Parker, what's your number two favorite sound in the woods or the outdoors?

• 1:11:52Speaker 06

  My number two sound is a drag singing. Just when you hook up to the fish and that drag.

• 1:12:00Speaker 06

  You know, better than that, you know, it's, it's just something that, that gets your heart going. You know, something good is about to happen. So that's my number two.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  Okay, we're gonna play it right now.

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, last fall, we got to fish similar water to what Parker is fishing there on the coast of Florida. We were on the coast of Louisiana and I'm assuming that was a redfish in that video. And we got to experience a lot of that and you can't help but giggle. Like when that is happening and that reel is going backwards and making that sound singing, you just can't help but giggle. I mean, it is just one of the best. Alright. Number one sound in the turkey woods, Parker.

• 1:12:55Speaker 06

  The best sound now.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry, in the woods, I meant to say.

• 1:12:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, in the woods is when you are hunting a turkey and you've been working him for some time and all's quiet and you're in the game, you know he's coming, but you don't know where he's gobbled last about 20 minutes ago and you're just frozen. And all of a sudden you hear that drum.

• 1:13:21Speaker 06

  I don't pop of you, buddy. And I'm telling you, it gets your heart pumping so fast, you freeze rock solid and you hear it again.

• 1:13:34Speaker 06

  That's the best sound in the woods, if you ask me.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  Beautiful. Now, for those of you, turkey drumming, the spit you can kind of catch on camera, but that sound of the drum itself, it's one of those sounds that is for whatever reason, a microphone has a hard time picking up that hum.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  It's so low frequency.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  And like new turkey hunters, I think hear that, like it doesn't even register with them. Like I've tried to point it out to people and they're like, what are you, I don't hear anything, you know?

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  Um, you guys want to go next or do you want me to go?

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  You can go.

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  Alright, I'm gonna, I'm gonna speed mine up a little bit. We already heard, my number third, uh, number three was Mingus Barkentreed. We already heard Mingus. Number two, this is also a video I sent to Parker. Um, I was really thinking about like what makes me happy when I hear a sound and I was thinking, man, when I drop in some fish or some turkey nuggets into some oil and that, and that oil just is crackling away.

• 1:14:38Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Oh, that is a good sound. And like Parker said, you know, something's good is about to happen. You're about to put that stuff in your mouth.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  That sound changes a little too, like when you first throw it in versus when it's ready.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good point. That's a good point. All right. Number one. And I will say, man, there's a lot of good sounds out there. Uh, but this is what came to mind in the last 24 hours. I was putting some effort into making this come together. Is a deer walking through the woods crunching leaves underfoot, specifically a heavy deer in oak leaves. Um, I don't, were you able to pull, pull anything like that up, Phil?

• 1:15:21Speaker 07

  No, because this is literally the first time I'm hearing about this.

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  Okay. But you all, if you're a deer hunter out there, Randall, Brody, you guys have both been there, Pennsylvania, Ohio. It's like another sound that you don't really see it before it happens. It's like a lot of times for me, when I'm in a tree stand, that's what tips me off to the presence. And somehow, I don't know how, but I feel like I'm getting to the point where I can tell the difference between 120 pound doe and 175 to 200 plus pound buck.

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  Not sure. I couldn't do that.

• 1:15:58Speaker 05

  It's been so long since I sat in a tree stand that as you're describing this, all I can think about is how similar squirrels sound to deer in my, in my memory.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Yes. And the moment you think you got that figured out, you're like, ah, it's a squirrel. You look over there and there's the buck you've been waiting after.

• 1:16:14Speaker 05

  Like, how does a squirrel make that much noise?

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  But man, when I hear that sound, same thing, man, it's just like, you know, it's about to go down, you know? Whether it's a doe or a buck, whatever, you better like, you need to get into predator mode, get your bow in your hand, get your release clipped on and, uh, start focusing real fast because it's, it's about to go down.

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• 1:19:15Speaker 03

  All right, who's next?

• 1:19:17Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter, Randall, you would.

• 1:19:18Speaker 05

  Sure, I can go.

• 1:19:21Speaker 05

  I brought in a prop for my first sound.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  Oh, Randall's opening a breakdown rod case.

• 1:19:28Speaker 05

  Now, Brody, if you'll hold this there.

• 1:19:31Speaker 04

  Sure. Is this gonna hurt me?

• 1:19:33Speaker 05

  Nope, I just need you to hold that nice and stiff.

• 1:19:36Speaker 04

  Oh, I know where he's going with this.

• 1:19:37Speaker 05

  Now we go.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  Randall's got a.

• 1:19:39Speaker 05

  We go, picture this. You're sitting by a riverbank at night. You cast your bait out, settles on the bottom nicely.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  A warm summer night with crickets?

• 1:19:49Speaker 05

  Warm summer night, you click off your headlamp and you crack open an ice cold beverage. And then all of a sudden you hear.

• 1:19:57Speaker 04

  Put that by your mic.

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  And then you hear.

• 1:20:05Speaker 05

  And that's how you know old Mr. Catatterfish has your bait.

• 1:20:11Speaker 05

  Nothing more exciting than hearing that bell ring when you're, when you're catfishing at night. Number two. Picture this. It's deer season. You're with your buddy.

• 1:20:25Speaker 05

  He goes one way, you go the other.

• 1:20:28Speaker 05

  You're hiking five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever. And you, you guys are the only guys out there. Then all of a sudden.

• 1:20:39Speaker 05

  Your buddy shoots.

• 1:20:40Speaker 03

  Hmm. What about the thwap?

• 1:20:42Speaker 05

  The thwap is good, too. I was thinking specifically of when we were in Mexico and we we were listening on the radio and our buddy shot a buck.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:20:51Speaker 05

  And he hit it good, but it went off and we could hear him kind of scrambling like, I don't know if like, where is he? Where is he looking for him, looking for him? We're sitting there like biting our lips and then all of a sudden you hear boom. He found him. Just a gunshot where you know exactly what happened.

• 1:21:09Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:21:10Speaker 05

  That's the best sound in the world. Actually, that's number two.

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  That's number two. I'm tracking. You have two great sounds so far, Randall.

• 1:21:17Speaker 05

  Picture this. You're deer hunting in Idaho. It's 4:30. You got a long hike ahead of you. Driving down a bumpy road. You're listening to maybe a podcast, maybe the Meat Eater podcast. Maybe you're listening to some music that'll pump you up. Rock and roll, hip hop, whatever your thing is. You get there. You put your headlamp on. You shut the car off, get outside and you close the door. Perfect silence.

• 1:21:48Speaker 05

  When all that noise just stops, I feel like whenever I close my truck door and it's, there's nothing, it's like something just washes over you.

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  Hmm. The sound of silence.

• 1:21:58Speaker 05

  Sound of silence.

• 1:21:58Speaker 03

  Is your number one.

• 1:22:00Speaker 05

  The sound of silence.

• 1:22:05Speaker 05

  That's my number. That's my top three.

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  Good job, Randall. Good top three. I enjoyed that. Um.

• 1:22:11Speaker 05

  Brody?

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  My number three would be a grouse flushing right at your feet. Um, you got the noise, Phil?

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Ooh.

• 1:22:21Speaker 04

  That's a very exciting sound if you're a grouse hunter.

• 1:22:24Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  And it can take you by, let take you by surprise a lot of times, too. Um, and it means good things. So that's a good one, uh, for me and my dog. Um, my number two is, uh, a magpie called, called the whisper song. Got that, Phil?

• 1:22:49Speaker 04

  It almost sounds like they're talking a little bit when they're doing that, like human talking sometimes.

• 1:22:53Speaker 05

  I'm only familiar with the whisper song by the Ying Yang Twins.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  Not familiar with that one.

• 1:22:58Speaker 05

  Wait, parentheses, the whisper song?

• 1:23:00Speaker 04

  This one's way better than that, um, because.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  Careless whisper?

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  Because this is often out west, the sound of a successful big game hunt. Um, oftentimes very soon after you shoot and walk up to, uh, you know, a mule deer elk, what have you, you're going to hear that song pretty quickly. And it, and it goes on the whole time while you're breaking that animal down because they know a big meal's coming, so.

• 1:23:28Speaker 05

  Good, good things on the horizon.

• 1:23:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, so that, that's a sound I love. Um, my top one, similar to Randall's, um, a little more specific. Um, it's, it's when you, because I think this is a very rare thing to hear, which is like, you get to the glass knob, you sit down and it usually takes a little while to sink in and you realize that is completely quiet. There's no background noise, no cars, no planes flying overhead, no dogs barking, no cows mooing. It's, it's very rare to hear. It may be a little more common out here in the wide open spaces of Montana.

• 1:24:09Speaker 04

  It's tough to find probably in Wisconsin, but like it, it's almost jarring when it sinks in.

• 1:24:17Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:18Speaker 04

  When you're, you're like, oh my God, there's like no background.

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  Like no wind noise even.

• 1:24:22Speaker 05

  And they're no longer panting from the hike in.

• 1:24:24Speaker 04

  You get that rare, that rare, super still day. It's, it's, it's the best.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  Man, you boys got me fired up. I was fired up an hour and 10 minutes ago, 15 minutes ago. I'm extreme. You guys now with the sounds of nature, the top ones, I'm, I might just take the rest of the day off and go fishing so I can hear a real sing or go fry some fish or go find a spot in the woods that is silent.

• 1:24:49Speaker 05

  I want to go somewhere and just see if I get surprised by a gunshot. Ooh.

• 1:24:54Speaker 07

  Everyone's doing.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  Hey, Parker, thank you for joining us. Thank you for bringing, uh, uh, your work, uh, to light here and to share, for sharing and for coming with the idea of the top three favorite sounds. I'm sure we're gonna use that one again.

• 1:25:10Speaker 05

  It was an inspired suggestion. Thank you.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  Very much so. Um, for all of you at home, thanks for watching and listening.

• 1:25:17Speaker 05

  What about, what about?

• 1:25:18Speaker 03

  We gotta do a rap. Oh, we still gotta do more feedback? I figured Phil was just gonna cut me off. Parker, you are free to go, man.

• 1:25:24Speaker 07

  Thanks, Parker.

• 1:25:25Speaker 05

  You can walk away from that dead hog now.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  See ya.

• 1:25:31Speaker 05

  He's a good sport.

• 1:25:32Speaker 07

  Hey, I'll, how about this, Yanis? I'm gonna call a quick audible. Instead of doing questions, how about we go over, the chat had a lot of great, uh, suggestions for sounds from the outdoors.

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:40Speaker 07

  I haven't, I haven't been reading all of them, but we can just kinda, you know, play it by ear. Keith says, uh, drumming of a rough grouse.

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:25:48Speaker 07

  The song of a red winged blackbird and the thwack of an arrow connecting.

• 1:25:52Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  I like all three of those.

• 1:25:55Speaker 07

  Texas smoking says turkeys wouldn't even make his list, which is, seems controversial. Seems like a hot take.

• 1:26:00Speaker 05

  Texas smoking, I like it.

• 1:26:02Speaker 07

  Uh, wood duck as the sun comes up.

• 1:26:04Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:26:05Speaker 07

  It's pretty nice. The first western meadow lark of spring.

• 1:26:10Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:26:10Speaker 04

  That's a good.

• 1:26:11Speaker 05

  I like sand, I like sandhill cranes.

• 1:26:14Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:26:15Speaker 05

  So fun.

• 1:26:16Speaker 07

  Spencer Newheart says a big buck walking through the woods sounds the same as a squirrel.

• 1:26:19Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  No, it doesn't. Spencer don't know.

• 1:26:21Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 1:26:22Speaker 07

  He don't know what he's saying.

• 1:26:23Speaker 03

  He's, he hunted in, uh, North Dakota. They don't have, uh, leaves that the, that the deer crunch on.

• 1:26:31Speaker 07

  Uh, Andrew says an arrow slicing through the air, turkey gobbling in the distance and a bullock screaming at you from thirty yards away.

• 1:26:40Speaker 07

  Uh, you, you guys didn't hear this, Randall, when you were talking about your gunshot. I, I played a gunshot, uh, but I didn't have, I didn't have the audio in, in the room up. So, but the chat heard it and apparently it was timed perfectly. So.

• 1:26:50Speaker 03

  Good job, Phil, once again.

• 1:26:52Speaker 05

  Did it go with my boom?

• 1:26:53Speaker 07

  It did. It did go. It was, it was this.

• 1:26:55Speaker 05

  I look forward to watch, oh, I look forward to watching this on YouTube.

• 1:26:58Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:26:59Speaker 05

  That'll be fun.

• 1:27:00Speaker 03

  Randall, I liked that it was that your friend shoots something and not you.

• 1:27:03Speaker 07

  Spencer is arguing with you. Says that they do have trees, so.

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  Not with leaves.

• 1:27:07Speaker 05

  When you, when, when someone, when you were like with someone and they're like, I'm gonna go after that deer and you're just sitting there and like you lose sight of your body and you lose sight of the deer and you're just waiting and then all of a sudden, boom. It's just like, what happened? You want to know?

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  You do?

• 1:27:23Speaker 05

  Gets, there's nothing better.

• 1:27:25Speaker 07

  Jude says 1 million duck calls all at once on public land.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  No, that's not my, not in my top ten.

• 1:27:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, a lot of, we got a lot of upland birds flushing. So yeah, thanks for, thanks for sharing your thoughts, chat. Appreciate it. Yanni, you are completely off camera right now.

• 1:27:42Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:27:45Speaker 03

  I'm just kicking back, reading along with you.

• 1:27:47Speaker 04

  We could do least favorite sound sometimes too.

• 1:27:50Speaker 03

  Oh, I hate to dwell on the negative.

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, but you know, it's part of life. Things going wrong out there.

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  Yep. Alright, so no questions today, Phil?

• 1:27:58Speaker 07

  Well, you know, we're, we're at a good time. You guys, you guys don't seem very receptive to questions.

• 1:28:03Speaker 05

  No, I'd love to hit a couple of questions, Phil.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  We love questions.

• 1:28:05Speaker 05

  We got plenty of time.

• 1:28:06Speaker 03

  The only reason that I would get finished right now is for your time, Phil. I want to be respectful of your time.

• 1:28:12Speaker 07

  That does mean a lot. I didn't have breakfast and it's lunchtime and I'm getting them.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  Get a little hungy.

• 1:28:17Speaker 07

  Uh.

• 1:28:17Speaker 03

  Peckish?

• 1:28:18Speaker 07

  Let's see, Spencer is asking, he says, ask the guys how the Sig Range Day competition went. In parentheses, who won? Is he talking to you?

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  I don't even know what range day competition he's talking about.

• 1:28:31Speaker 04

  Oh, when we were out at the...

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  It was the whole crew?

• 1:28:35Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:36Speaker 03

  Who did win?

• 1:28:37Speaker 05

  The whole crew except for me and Steve, who are recording the audiobook.

• 1:28:40Speaker 03

  Were you there, Brody?

• 1:28:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:42Speaker 03

  Was I there?

• 1:28:42Speaker 04

  Yep. We were shooting together.

• 1:28:46Speaker 03

  Who won? I'm guessing Spencer won. Good job, Spencer.

• 1:28:49Speaker 05

  Let's move on to another question.

• 1:28:51Speaker 04

  What does this have to do with what?

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  I don't know. He's just wanting to talk smack. He's just sad he's not here right now.

• 1:28:57Speaker 07

  He's, well, that's the thing is like this happens with Randall and Randall's in the chat sometimes. They're the ones fielding questions. So people just ask them questions for the whole show.

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  Oh, look, Azor King asks, when are we doing another, uh, live podcast tour? Possibly at the end of this year.

• 1:29:11Speaker 05

  Look at Nate's question.

• 1:29:13Speaker 07

  Oh, which, let's see.

• 1:29:15Speaker 05

  At the bottom, at the bottom.

• 1:29:17Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Nate asks, what, it says, Phil, what was Randall's score on trivia if he played yesterday's game yet? He needs to know if his win is legit.

• 1:29:25Speaker 05

  I got a perfect game driving into the, driving into the office yesterday.

• 1:29:30Speaker 05

  I mean, it felt like questions one through five were just gimmies for me.

• 1:29:34Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 1:29:34Speaker 05

  Chronograph?

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  I know, I can't believe I'm, Brody and I both had the same wrong answer.

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  Great Basin National Park?

• 1:29:43Speaker 07

  Oh, people, people in the YouTube comments, Yanni, uh, were angry about the, about Nate's tree stand answer.

• 1:29:50Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:29:50Speaker 07

  They said that that should have been accepted.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  No, it shouldn't have.

• 1:29:54Speaker 03

  Well, it wasn't me to make the final call. Spencer was hosting, so.

• 1:29:59Speaker 07

  Alright.

• 1:29:59Speaker 03

  I agree with it. It wasn't the right answer.

• 1:30:03Speaker 07

  Uh, let's go, let's call the show there, guys.

• 1:30:05Speaker 04

  You don't want to end on a good one?

• 1:30:07Speaker 07

  Was that not a good one?

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  No, Phil's saying there's no good questions left. Randall?

• 1:30:11Speaker 07

  Well, here, here's the thing. I, I, I love everyone who watches this show every week. If you, if you're asking questions in the chat, uh, you're, you're, you're doing a great job. But a lot of the questions are sort of like, hey, can I have some tips about deer hunting? And we need to get more specific with the questions, you know?

• 1:30:25Speaker 04

  Um, yes.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  Hot tip for good questions.

• 1:30:28Speaker 04

  Weird question?

• 1:30:29Speaker 05

  Can we get a weird one?

• 1:30:30Speaker 07

  Weird question.

• 1:30:32Speaker 04

  Randall just doesn't want to go.

• 1:30:33Speaker 07

  I, I normally don't flag this super weird question. Okay, Freddie Rick said he was late to the show because he was butchering an antelope. And then he followed up with, what is a good use for the outside round besides jerky or grind?

• 1:30:44Speaker 03

  Ooh, outside round is a different term than what I know. Is, is he talking about top round?

• 1:30:50Speaker 04

  I don't know if he's talking top or bottom.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  It's gotta be one of those two. Um, oftentimes, I mean, I just roast it.

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  Hmm. It's, they, they've, both of the rounds make good steaks.

• 1:31:00Speaker 05

  I eat a lot of round steaks.

• 1:31:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:31:03Speaker 05

  I ate a lot of round steaks.

• 1:31:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally. If it's, and what I'll do sometimes if I cut one and it's a little bit chewy, the next time I make that same cut, I just give it a little pounding.

• 1:31:12Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  And it's fine.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  And listen, man, I feel like people don't use enough good cuts off the hind quarter. If you want good burger.

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  Use good cuts. If all you use is shank and shoulder for burger, it's not gonna be great burger.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  Preach that shit, Brody.

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  Uh, do any of you eat your wild game brains?

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:31:33Speaker 07

  That was from Peter.

• 1:31:34Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:31:38Speaker 03

  But they want to know why not. Peter wants to know why not.

• 1:31:44Speaker 04

  Uh. Yeah, that's my answer too.

• 1:31:49Speaker 03

  I guess like no one's ever come to me and been like, hey, this is a good idea. It's delicious. You should prepare it this way. Like I just, you know, you hear of some tribes somewhere eating some brains every now and then.

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  There's also like, and I don't want to be like scared and like people for no reason. There's also like disease concerns with eating brain, some brains of some animals like CWD collects in the nervous system and you know, brain. Um, remember that wasn't there some rumor flying around about eating squirrel brains one time?

• 1:32:23Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:32:25Speaker 04

  So yeah, just don't do it.

• 1:32:28Speaker 07

  Uh, see, here's an example of one that I'm not sure it like I Brody, I want your take since you're, you're, you're, you always give an honest response to things. You pull me back in Gabriel asks, put in for my first draw hunt in Southern Indiana and drew a bow tag for middle of October. It's a unit that he can't get into beforehand to scout. He has two days to hunt. Any advice or pointers?

• 1:32:47Speaker 04

  I think this is not a question for me because it's like a whitetail bow archery hunting question. So I'll pass it off to Yanis.

• 1:32:57Speaker 03

  Um, and you know, I, I can't get into beforehand to, so there's no scouting and he has to literally just roll in and hunt.

• 1:33:05Speaker 04

  The cold roll.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know, a lot of people say that October is the time for afternoon hunts. Um, going on that notion and whether that was the case or not, I would spend at least the first half of the first day, maybe more, maybe three quarters of that day, just pounding the ground and looking for sign and learning those woods and trying to figure it out. I'm guessing it's a, it sounds like it's a good tag to have if it's so limited. So maybe there's not a lot of pressure. I think that you pounding around and trying to figure it out for three quarters of a day that just then leaves you like an evening hunt and then possibly, you know, a morning and the evening the next day.

• 1:33:49Speaker 03

  Uh, that is time better spent than just going in there off of a and like a little bit of, not that you should definitely do a whole bunch of Onyx scouting.

• 1:33:59Speaker 04

  Well, that's what I was gonna say.

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  Ahead of time, but like you can't rely and don't be like, that's gonna be the perfect saddle. You just don't know. You gotta go there and look. You should find out, maybe call down there and see what the acorn crop is like this year. Like in Wisconsin this year, we have a booner crop. But find out what's going on down there for feed ahead of time. Um, that'll, you know, educate on where you need to go, what you need to do. But I, I think my number one thing would do to do was just be to take the time on the ground the first day and pound the ground. Find the sign and, and you don't have to find rubs and scrapes and all that. Find like some good looking deer trails that look recently used. Find fresh, uh, scat. I think that you're gonna be well on your way.

• 1:34:43Speaker 04

  Um, one thing I would add, even though this isn't my type of hunt, but if, if this guy is talking public land, I'd be looking on Onyx for something that presents difficult access for a lot of other hunters.

• 1:34:58Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:34:58Speaker 05

  Got to hike over a ridge.

• 1:34:59Speaker 03

  But the difficult access might have already been overcome or been sort of presented through this draw of a tag or whatever.

• 1:35:06Speaker 04

  Maybe. It's Indiana, so there seems like there's gonna be hunters, you know?

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  True, true. Good luck, Gabriel.

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  Uh, let's do one. Last one, Phil.

• 1:35:17Speaker 07

  Last one here. This one's for Randall. If, if I could, O H.

• 1:35:23Speaker 05

  I O.

• 1:35:25Speaker 04

  I cannot support that as a Penn State fan.

• 1:35:30Speaker 03

  Thank you all for, uh, listening and watching at home. Uh, I hope you enjoyed this episode of Meat Eater Radio Live. Uh, who's, uh, hosting next week? Is it one of you?

• 1:35:40Speaker 05

  I'm hosting. I'll have, I'll be joined by Cal and Seth.

• 1:35:44Speaker 03

  Hey, hey, that sounds like a banger of an episode.

• 1:35:47Speaker 05

  It's gonna be real fun.

• 1:35:48Speaker 03

  Uh, tune in. They're gonna choose the winner of the Moultrie, uh, self, uh, big, big bull trail camera photo contest.

• 1:35:56Speaker 07

  Be choosing the winner.

• 1:35:57Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 1:35:57Speaker 03

  Okay, but you guys are gonna.

• 1:35:58Speaker 07

  But you have to be watching live to vote.

• 1:36:01Speaker 03

  Okay, Randall's gonna present. We're gonna choose the top four. Randall's gonna present, uh, the top four. And to leave you, one more time, let's listen to Randall's.

• 1:36:12Speaker 07

  One of his favorite sounds.

• 1:36:17Speaker 03

  Till next time.

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