#692 - Sophie Cunningham

Sophie Cunningham is a professional basketball player in the WNBA. She also hosts her own podcast “No Hesitation”. Sophie joins Theo to talk about real vs. fake drama in the WNBA, how she developed her unique persona in the league, and the fight to get players paid more. Sophie Cunningham: https://www.instagram.com/sophie_cham/ ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner @CelsiusOfficial https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Prize Picks: Go to ⁠https://link.prizepicks.com/LME0/TPW ⁠and use code: TPW Morgan and Morgan: Visit https://forthepeople.com/THEO to see if you might have a case. Morgan and Morgan. America's Largest Injury Law Firm. Shopify: Take control of your income. Start your free trial at http://shopify.com/theo ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Mail stuff to: ATTN: TPW PO BOX 40137 Nashville TN 37204 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend X: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Theo Von?

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• 0:41Theo Von?

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• 1:25Theo Von?

  Uh, I'm thankful that I got to sit down with Ms. Sophie Cunningham.

• 1:47Theo Von?

  Oh, so are you gonna be touring, like, just working with Tacovus the whole time?

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50Theo Von?

  Oh, sweet. Dude, I wish I would've known because, yeah, Tacovus sponsors our podcast, too.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Dude, you need to get some shit kickers, man.

• 1:57Theo Von?

  I don't know what happened. I have some. I don't know who took them.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:00Theo Von?

  Um, Sophie Cunningham, what's up?

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 2:03Theo Von?

  Let's start there. How about that?

• 2:05Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 2:05Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  It's good. It's nice outside.

• 2:07Theo Von?

  Oh, it's so nice.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Good weather here, right?

• 2:09Theo Von?

  Oh, I feel, honestly, I almost feel bad being in here.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Why?

• 2:11Theo Von?

  Just because it's, because you just said it, because it's nice.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Well, we should've done this out by the pool.

• 2:15Theo Von?

  Yeah, but I don't know, because sometimes there's wind conditions and we tried one time and they had like, um, a, there was like some nightingales or something, or, uh, sparrows or something. And it was like problematic.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I was kidding, but I could see. Yeah, I wouldn't want a bird to shit on me, so it's fine.

• 2:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, I mean, and it's good luck in some countries, I think. Where is that? If an animal, don't even look it up, nevermind.

• 2:40Theo Von?

  Let's keep it moving, dude. Um, thanks for hanging out.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for having me.

• 2:44Theo Von?

  You're here for the race? Nice.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47Theo Von?

  And what are your plans with the race?

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Um, probably watch some cars.

• 2:51Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Um, meet some drivers, uh, meet some teams. I think that'd be fun. Uh, I have a couple girlfriends coming down.

• 2:58Theo Von?

  Really?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so we're just gonna kick it. Like, this is like my first weekend that I can just like relax and kind of have some fun, so why not?

• 3:04Theo Von?

  Because y'all's season ended, what, like two, two or three weeks ago?

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Ours was like, was it kind of like a month ago?

• 3:08Theo Von?

  Was it?

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09Theo Von?

  I watched the final game.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, not, not great. Wasn't our best.

• 3:13Theo Von?

  Yeah, what's it like right when it ends? Like, right when the, right when the season ends?

• 3:16Speaker 01

  I mean...

• 3:16Theo Von?

  Because you guys were in a best of three with the aces and you, you guys lost.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, um, it's like a, I mean, it sucks. Like, I, I hate to lose. And so, um, I don't know, when you feel like you have the potential, you have the potential of like your team, like you know what you're made of and you can do it, but we just didn't get it done. And so it sucks. But then like after a couple of weeks, it's like, dang, it's kind of nice to like relax and, I don't know, get back home and get around your people, so.

• 3:43Theo Von?

  What did you think y'all were missing? Like, did it come to a...

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Our shots? Duh.

• 3:48Theo Von?

  Bro, you're so right, dude.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Like, that's a big problem.

• 3:52Theo Von?

  You didn't take up any shots in the last game?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  No. It's okay. Maybe next year. Like, what do you want me to say? I don't know.

• 3:59Theo Von?

  That's true, though.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Um, no, I, first game, we got blown out, so not great. Um, had a pretty good game individually, but, you know, that doesn't matter. Um, second game, we won, nice, at home, and then went back out to Vegas. Uh, great environment, I'll give them that, but some tough calls, we didn't make our shots, um, just didn't play great, so...

• 4:19Theo Von?

  It just felt kind of, yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:21Theo Von?

  It was kind of, it wasn't fun to watch, you know? That's probably my favorite team, I think, so...

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Us or Vegas?

• 4:27Theo Von?

  Y'all's team.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 4:29Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  I was like, which one? Well, no, you did come to a, a regular season game.

• 4:34Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, we came. I've come, let me see, I think I've been like, the past two seasons I've been to a game.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, we went with, um...

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Patrick and Connor.

• 4:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, he was in town.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:43Theo Von?

  He's playing in like Poland now or something. Um, but yeah, it was a good time. I love it over there. I love, I mean, I love watching the team, it's a good time. But like, I guess when I'm sitting there as a, as a fan, when I'm watching a game, there's so many other things that I'm wondering if they're going on on the court, right?

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:56Theo Von?

  Like, is there, because a lot of times, y'all's sport is one of the few sports where you can see, where you know some of the people been dating or been in love, or studing around or whatever it's called.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:06Theo Von?

  Or being buddies or whatever. Um, you know, so you're always wondering like how much like of that sort of like lesbian espionage is going on out there, you know?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  I mean, that's a valid point. And like, to each their own. Like, I love, our league is fun. It truly is. And like, the girls are great. Um, I do feel like sometimes there's like a lot of tea and drama going on, but like, for us, that kind of makes it better, because like you know what's going on. I don't know if the fans do, I think like the hardcore fans do, but at the end of the day, like when it's time to play, people like, forget about that. Like, we're professional basketball players, you show up, you do your job. Um, I'm sure the guys have drama with the same girls that they're messing with, like it's the same thing, but ours is just either teammates with the person they're messing with or...

• 5:46Theo Von?

  Right.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Going against, so I can see where, from the outside, it could be weird, but like, I don't know, I think I'm just like used to it.

• 5:53Theo Von?

  Right, yeah, I guess as a fan, you just wonder, man, is it like, if, if they're two exes and they're right there, they're playing against each other, or now they're on the same team, or sometimes it seems like they're trading people to other teams that are like now lovers or whatever, you're like, what is even going on?

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Oh, there is a web. There's a web, but it's like fascinating. I'm on the outside of that web, um, so like I just kind of sit back and eat my popcorn and, and watch it all in full and it's entertaining. It's fun.

• 6:15Theo Von?

  Is there, like, is there like a lesbian mafia in the league? Like, is there, is there any like animosity if people are between, if somebody is straight or bi or gay, is there any animosity between those people?

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Dude, honestly, I'm like strictly dickly, so I have no idea. Like, I don't know who the mafia would be.

• 6:31Theo Von?

  And what does that mean, wiener only, or for wieners or whatever?

• 6:33Speaker 01

  No, like, guys only.

• 6:35Theo Von?

  Men, yeah.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, just men. Yeah, but like, to each their own. Uh, do, go do what you want, like, I don't care.

• 6:40Theo Von?

  Who cares? I don't give a dang if somebody's, you know, being like, whatever they're doing or whatever.

• 6:48Theo Von?

  I don't care at all. I could, in fact, if I did care, it'd be crazy, like, if I went home and I was like...

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Angry about it? Like, why? Who gives a flying fuck? Like, I don't...

• 6:58Theo Von?

  Could you even imagine if I was just drawing pitches? If I was getting, ordering like lesbian voodoo dolls or something? Like, that would be the most obscene thing I could ever even fathom. Um, but yeah, I guess I just wonder how much like, as somebody watching the game, you just wonder, oh, how much extra lore is going on out there? And are people using that? Like, like, is somebody ever posting you up and they're just like, they're flirting at the same time, you know?

• 7:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Like, I, no. No.

• 7:25Theo Von?

  Okay. That's what I wonder, I think is so, is going on sometimes. It feels like some, these like, you know...

• 7:30Speaker 01

  But I, again, I don't know. Like, I'm not...

• 7:32Theo Von?

  Oh, right.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  I'm not in it, but like, you know your teammates and like people that they've kind of been with or have not been with, you know the tea, what's going on, right? So like, when you're playing those people, it's not like you're focused on that, you're literally trying to fucking win a game, you know? Like, that's just like, not even in...

• 7:48Theo Von?

  And somebody's like, hey, pass a note to that other girl or whatever.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 7:51Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  When would, you've been to a game, when would we have time to do that?

• 7:55Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 7:59Theo Von?

  Okay, that's a good point.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:01Theo Von?

  Yeah, I don't know, it just seems like there's so, you guys' league always it seems like has the wildest shit. Like, when people were throwing those wieners on the court and all that?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I got hit by one of them.

• 8:09Theo Von?

  No way.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, in LA. Yeah. Yeah, hit me in the left foot.

• 8:13Theo Von?

  Did it?

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:14Theo Von?

  Did anybody take one home, or was that like taboo or whatever? Do you, do you know about it?

• 8:19Speaker 01

  No, no one's taking that home. I lowkey kind of wanted to take it home, though, just to be like, I was probably the first person to get hit by a dildo while playing a, in a WNBA game.

• 8:28Theo Von?

  Yeah. Or in a sport at all, look that up.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Actually, valid point. Okay, so I was on the free throw line here.

• 8:35Theo Von?

  I bet somebody's hummed one at a...

• 8:37Speaker 01

  And it scared me.

• 8:38Theo Von?

  At a ball boy. Wait, hold on, let me see. Go ahead, let's, yeah, let's play out that, when that wiener hit her. All right, whatever, you know what I'm saying? But let's play it out. And where was, this was in LA?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  So this is in LA and like, I think the clip kind of cut before, but like, we were on the free throw line, she shot it, and I went to go like, box her out.

• 8:57Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  And all of a sudden, something like hit my foot, and I looked down and that's when I jumped, because I like, you're in a game, like, you're trying to compete and win. Like, we're down, I'm, I'm focused on...

• 9:07Theo Von?

  And slow it down so we can see that.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Like right, you kind of get in the way, but right there.

• 9:15Theo Von?

  Oh, there you go. That's a weener.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  I actually got made fun of in the locker room because they're like, have you never seen a dildo before? And I was like, dude, I'm playing a basketball game. I wasn't expecting you want to be thrown at me. So it was fun.

• 9:25Theo Von?

  And did they find out who threw it even? Because?

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. They have cameras like everywhere in those arenas. So they like narrow it down to the person they get like banned for life. But if you really think about this.

• 9:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  If you got hit by one and like it didn't hit your foot and legit like hit your face or something, that could hurt from that far.

• 9:43Theo Von?

  And if it had batteries in it or whatever, or if it was weighted or whatever.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. Could have broke my schnoz.

• 9:50Theo Von?

  Oh, if somebody would have fucking honed it. Do you think about that, though?

• 9:55Speaker 01

  I've already thought about it because I was like, that year, that was last year. I was like, someone's gonna get hit. Like someone's legit gonna get hit in the face by a dildo. And then you know, that's gonna be all over the internet.

• 10:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  So I was just hoping it wasn't me. I don't know.

• 10:07Theo Von?

  Yeah. Um, anyway, Sophie Cunningham, good to see you.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Nice seeing you.

• 10:15Theo Von?

  You're so you're from Missouri, right? That's where you grew up. And were your parents athletes? Or what was their?

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, our whole like family played sports, actually the University of Missouri. So like grandpa, aunt's, uncle's, mom, dad, cousin, sister, like is in the bloodline to go there. So.

• 10:30Theo Von?

  Was it just one sport? Was it all hoops? Or was it?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  For like our whole family. Um, the men were pretty much football and then like all the women were basketball and track and field, more the field portion than the track, but it's still successful.

• 10:43Theo Von?

  What does the field mean? Like shot put or whatever?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Shot put, javelin, throwing, those events.

• 10:48Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:49Theo Von?

  I never, I don't know if I ever really even seen that that much. You don't see like, I don't know.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Did you play sports?

• 10:56Theo Von?

  I play basketball. Bring it up.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Why did I ask?

• 11:01Theo Von?

  I know. It's not even worth talking to me, but we'll keep this going for another few years. Uh, we got one good pic. That's me right there. Bottom left. We had a couple.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  I don't know why I was looking at top right. Like that is not you.

• 11:20Theo Von?

  Also, some of these pictures, I mean, some of these people look like they like, this looks like it's from like the 1800s, bro. What filter is this? Whoever uploaded that is a messed up person.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  Do they not have like, like colored pictures back then?

• 11:37Theo Von?

  Well, obviously they did.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Where?

• 11:41Theo Von?

  Look at six of my teammates, bro.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  No, no, like, like colored pictures, like, like when you take a picture.

• 11:51Theo Von?

  Bro, we had color photography, dude.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I was getting at.

• 11:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, but we just didn't, I think they didn't pay for it in our town. And so this is what we got. But yeah, bro, I was, I was pretty good, actually. But I just don't know. I like to smoke and stuff. I was enjoying, I liked, I was a childhood smoker or whatever. And that was something that I also enjoyed.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  Like cigs or blunt?

• 12:12Theo Von?

  Cigarettes. And so the coaches kind of frowned on that.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Well, were you like 13?

• 12:18Theo Von?

  But they didn't want you smoking after practice or whatever. It was like it gives this team a bad name. It gives the town a bad name. So we had differences of opinion on that. Are there any?

• 12:28Speaker 01

  So did you quit the team or quit the cigs?

• 12:30Theo Von?

  I quit the team. But I'm fine. Okay.

• 12:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's, I don't know. I would, I think, I always sometimes see those people that have like that whole, the trach thing.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Oh, freaks me out. Like on the commercials and stuff.

• 12:46Theo Von?

  And they'll still smoke some of them.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  I know.

• 12:48Theo Von?

  They'll just put that, they'll put like, um, bring up that people who still smoke with the tracheotomy. And that's probably, and you could put Indiana after it if you want. We know where it happens. No, this is diagrams, bro. Do not take me to eighth grade. Put me in the real, I want to see boots on the ground. Okay. I want to see boots on the ground. There we go. And as she hit.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, the, the trach has a hole for the cigarette.

• 13:18Theo Von?

  Yeah. There's people that will smoke right through that trach hole.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I have never seen that.

• 13:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, that was a big thing when people were trach smoking for a while. Um.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  I don't think that was a thing.

• 13:28Theo Von?

  Yeah. All right.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Got a weird kink going on over there? What's going on?

• 13:33Theo Von?

  You guys are the ones fucking throwing weeners at each other.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  We were not. The, the random fans, they weren't even our fans, you know, is this?

• 13:44Theo Von?

  Oh, this is just somebody trying to, oh, he does.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Ew, that just grosses me out.

• 13:51Theo Von?

  What?

• 13:51Speaker 01

  That like is, uh, you like that? I can't even look at that again.

• 13:56Theo Von?

  What do you mean like it?

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Like you have a hole in your throat for a reason and that's what you're doing?

• 14:01Theo Von?

  No, look, I, I'm not saying I support.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I can't watch it again.

• 14:04Theo Von?

  I think it's very na, I'll say this, it's culturally appropriative of Native Americans. Play it again.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, these are white folks.

• 14:11Theo Von?

  I know, but that guy's using smoke signals.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, what else, what else can you put in there? Not in a weird way, like, uh, like, can people eat through that?

• 14:21Theo Von?

  Yeah, you could probably put, use berries or something. Maybe pecans or something.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  If you put a blueberry and it like, it got stuck into, are you choked? That's horrible.

• 14:31Theo Von?

  Dude, the most horrible thing is when you freaking, you take a sip of water and it, it goes down, people are like, it goes down the wrong pipe. Like suddenly they're a plumber or whatever. And then you're just like, and you.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Can't breathe. And I think it's funny, but like you're dying.

• 14:45Theo Von?

  But you try to pretend like you're fine, like, and you know, you have to like, do you know what I'm talking about or not?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause you're like trying to not cough or like do it politely.

• 14:54Theo Von?

  Yeah. Is there a term for that? There's gotta be a term for that because people suffer from it all the time. Anyway, let's get into this episode. Sophie Cunningham. Uh, this is just how it is today, Sophie. Did your, um, dude, was there a lot of expectations on you to play sports from your kid or just something you wanted to do? Like if your family does it that much, would it be weird if you were like a gamer? Or if you were like, um, you know, if you were doing something that wasn't, like if you weren't an athlete?

• 15:21Speaker 01

  There you go. Um, no, like we have, I mean, I feel like everyone in our family actually did play sports, at least like.

• 15:28Theo Von?

  Look, have some support, okay? If I, if every time you guys went up for a layup.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  And you smoked it and we smoked it out of our little pipe hole. Yeah.

• 15:38Theo Von?

  Just support me when I can't get through a sentence, okay?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Sorry. Yeah, you're right.

• 15:41Theo Von?

  If every time you guys went for a layup and it didn't, I still sat there.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 15:47Theo Von?

  Okay. How many layups were missing the W last year? Let's put it right out.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  A lot. Oh, my God. I, I will say, I mean, our, our, my family and friend group say the same thing. They're like, how the hell does a league that is like the pro, you know, like, and, and we have some phenomenal athletes, like we're, we could kill people, right? Like we're good at it. But we do smoke a lot of layups.

• 16:08Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what it is. Sometimes it just happens. It could be nerves. It could be.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  No, not my teammates.

• 16:15Theo Von?

  The WNBA does not officially track or publish an aggregate league wide total for missed layups. Official league statistics track overall missed field goals. Hmm. That's not really fair.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  No, field goals doesn't count. Cause like Kel, she shoots the shit out of the, like the three point line, three ball, same as Caitlyn.

• 16:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:34Theo Von?

  So that isn't really tracked then.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Looks like we make all our layups.

• 16:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  No stat, doesn't count.

• 16:41Theo Von?

  Did you, uh, did you, were you one of those kids that, that got into basketball early because they got tall?

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Great question, actually. Um, thanks. No, yeah. Cause that's a valid question. A lot of kids do that, right? Like, oh, you're tall. Go, go play basketball or, you know?

• 16:57Theo Von?

  Is there anything? Yeah. Once somebody gets tall, they have to be the model or to play basketball?

• 17:02Speaker 01

  No, just go be a normal human. But, um, no.

• 17:05Theo Von?

  Okay, I'm tall now.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  No, yeah, I was about to say something. Glad I didn't. Um, no.

• 17:11Theo Von?

  Really? That doesn't seem like you.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Look at me, having restraint. So, um, we grew up playing everything. And when I say we, it's like me and my sister, we best friends. And so we did every sport together. And I knew from like a young age, you know how like kids who are doctors, they like were naturally really good at school from a really young age. Like same with like a lot of musicians and singers. Like you're just having natural talent.

• 17:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  That's how I was with sports. And so I knew from a young age, like I was going to be a pro athlete one way or another. I didn't know if it was going to be basketball, volleyball or soccer. Like those were my three. Um, and like, I just naturally loved basketball more. So I knew like, and when I say young, I'm talking about like three, four, five years old. Like I just knew that like.

• 17:52Theo Von?

  That's so young.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Well, I wasn't like.

• 17:54Theo Von?

  How'd you even know? Do you have a diary or something?

• 17:56Speaker 01

  And no, no, I just like, that's always been my mindset. Like I was just good at it. And like, I had so much fun doing it. I loved it. So I was just like, this is where I belong.

• 18:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:06Theo Von?

  And that's your sister right there?

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's Lindsay. She's the best. Like she's the, the best sister out of all of us.

• 18:12Theo Von?

  Is she a better person than you, you think?

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Probably a hundred percent.

• 18:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  And anyone who like knows us would say the same thing.

• 18:18Theo Von?

  That's fair. Yeah. My brother's the same way.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Older or younger?

• 18:22Theo Von?

  He's older than me. He's just better than me, but I'll catch up. Um, oh, that's nice. And does Lindsay hoop still?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  She, we played at Mizzou together.

• 18:31Theo Von?

  Oh, did?

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 18:32Theo Von?

  No way.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  We had two years together. So much fun. Ooh, our glory days. You guys really have to bring that up.

• 18:38Theo Von?

  We can sub it in with a different picture.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  That'd be great.

• 18:41Theo Von?

  But we won't. Look, I'll tell you this, a lot of dudes would throw a weener at that one. Okay?

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Honestly, I don't even care because like nowadays, people in college are like doing Pilates and drinking green juice and like, and like back then, Mizzou was making us eat and lift like football players.

• 18:58Theo Von?

  Really?

• 18:58Speaker 01

  So when I like look back, I'm like, honestly, not mad about it. Cause I was doing what I was supposed to.

• 19:03Theo Von?

  Oh, it sounds like you have some aggression towards them.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  No, no, I'm just kidding. No, I just feel like that's like what was the.

• 19:10Theo Von?

  Were any, did y'all have any smokers on the team?

• 19:13Speaker 01

  No. Like cigs?

• 19:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Like maybe a drunk cig here and there.

• 19:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  And that was me.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  But you know, uh, everyone else know like everyone.

• 19:25Theo Von?

  You're like, I don't think we had any, I don't think we had any smokers on the team. You're the smoker.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  No, I, no, I'm not actually a smoker, but I will have a good drunk cig. I love them.

• 19:36Theo Von?

  Did you smoke a lot of weed growing up or not?

• 19:37Speaker 01

  No, like I'm really not, I, I don't know why I think my family just beat it in like drugs are bad. And I know like weed, people are like, it's not a drug, but like whatever. Growing up, we considered it a drug. Um, but I like, we've, I mean, we, we drink, but that was kind of hard. We did it like we, we did alcohol. That's what I was just about to say. We drank alcohol, but we didn't, we didn't get into drugs.

• 20:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  Which I'm not mad about. Like, I'm so glad they beat that into us.

• 20:06Theo Von?

  Yeah. Don't feel bad about yourself because you didn't do drugs.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  Like I'm.

• 20:10Theo Von?

  Sophie, that's crazy.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  No, I don't feel bad. Like I'm proud that I don't, I'm not a druggie.

• 20:14Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like I, I think that's a good thing.

• 20:17Theo Von?

  It is kind of weird though. You'll meet people now and they're like, yeah, man, I'm sorry. I never did any drugs or whatever.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  That's kind of sad, isn't it?

• 20:23Theo Von?

  It's so sad.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Like it, that's a good thing.

• 20:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 23:30Theo Von?

  When you first started playing ball, you played for the Phoenix Mercury.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:34Theo Von?

  I saw y'all at the airport one time.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Really?

• 23:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Ew, isn't that weird that we weren't traveling? Like we were traveling with kind of like fans in the public. We didn't have private flights.

• 23:42Theo Von?

  Y'all don't have any fans either, to be honest. I mean.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  That one really just bit me in the ass.

• 23:47Theo Von?

  Sorry, sorry.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 23:49Theo Von?

  And maybe that was kind of rude.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  No, it's not. No, I do not. I literally don't care.

• 23:52Theo Von?

  Well, was there a fan? Was there more? I mean, there's more fans now.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, like there's definitely no way we could do it now, but I think you have a good point.

• 24:00Theo Von?

  And that was, that was rude, actually. I'm joking. That was just me joking.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Dude, I don't like I.

• 24:04Theo Von?

  I care though.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Okay, but I don't.

• 24:05Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  And like, here's my thing is.

• 24:07Theo Von?

  Hold on, I need you to care a little bit.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

• 24:10Theo Von?

  Somebody has to apologize and it's going to be me. I'm sorry.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Thanks. But I will say from like your point of view on that, we weren't on TV. Like how were people going to know who we were? Like that's not anyone's fault. It's not your fault. It's not our fault.

• 24:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, people, some people.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  How did you know who we were then?

• 24:25Theo Von?

  Because I saw some of y'all's gear and I, I know that, um, Taurasi was playing with you guys. So I saw her.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:33Theo Von?

  That was, that was the main one that I saw and I saw, um, and I saw you, I remember and I saw, um.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Well, we had, we had, uh, you'd probably know BG, Brittany Griner.

• 24:42Theo Von?

  And y'all had Brittany Griner too.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. And Diana. Those are like the two stars.

• 24:46Theo Von?

  Right. And so I kind of was like milling around. It was like baggage claim and I was like milling around. Anyway, I actually almost came up to get a photo, uh, but I think I was like, ah, what am I doing now? I'm just standing around. And somebody had children. One of the women had children that were, their wife and children were with them, I think.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  It was probably Diana.

• 25:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:05Theo Von?

  It might've been. Um, but how much has the league changed from whenever you got into where it's at now?

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Dude, night and day.

• 25:11Theo Von?

  Is it really?

• 25:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. You can't even compare the two and.

• 25:13Theo Von?

  So it's incomparable.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  I mean, I think the talent you can, because like the talent has always been there. Like there has been some phenomenal, phenomenal people go through the WNBA.

• 25:22Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  But we just didn't have the, um, the platform that we do now. Like we didn't have the TV deals. We didn't have, we, we just weren't exposed. Like people couldn't watch games. I remember like my first three or four years, like my parents had to like download some weird app. And like, even then it was like a black screen the entire time. Like it was just, you could not watch games. And so, um, I definitely think like the last, I don't know, three, four, three years pretty much that, you know, that class of Caitlyn, Cameron Brink, Haley Van Lith, um, Angel. Like that class, they just had the platform. They had the eyes. They had the audience from college. Um, and they brought it into the W and now it's just exploded like, and people love us. Like if you put it on us, if you put really any women's sports on TV, people are going to fall in love with it.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  And my biggest thing that I love about it is like little girls, they can find someone, our, our league is so diverse that they can find someone on TV that like, looks like them or comes from where they come from. And then we're inspiring them to be the next us someday. And so I think that's the coolest part about having this platform is like, it's accessible and people can watch it and you inspire the, the youth. So I love that.

• 26:27Theo Von?

  Yeah. Oh, it's crazy to think that you, that your parents had to do that. Like, how do we watch it? Like we had to go under a bridge. Like we have to meet somebody or something. Like we have to like, that's unbelievable.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm like nuts. I'm happy of where we're at now, but I also like love those times too. Cause I am like in the perfect spot of, uh, I, I saw where the W was at, but I'm also like reaping the benefits of the people who came before me even of like leading us to where we're at now. And so I didn't get all this right away. And so I had a, I saw kind of the bad parts of it, if that makes sense. But now I'm reaping the good parts of being in the WNBA. Does that make any sense?

• 27:02Theo Von?

  Um, yeah, I think it has, it makes sense in the way that it feels like you were there. Like, um, it almost feels a little bit more like you at least were there in some of the years where it was tougher.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. Cause like some of these, and it's not their fault. It's just like how old they are. Like they come in and they, they.

• 27:15Theo Von?

  They just think it's hype.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yes. And they like, they don't, they, all they know is private flights. All they know is the nicest hotels. All they know is like, you have security. My first five years, we had zero security.

• 27:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  And like there's a.

• 27:27Theo Von?

  Oh, I was loitering around y'all at the airport.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Stalker. Like where's our security? And so, no, like, so there's.

• 27:33Theo Von?

  The first thing a stalker says when he gets busted is like, actually I was just here doing security.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  How do you know that?

• 27:39Theo Von?

  Huh? I just, I, there's different, I've interviewed some of these people, um, at home by myself. So, yeah. Anyway, what are we talking about, dude? Somebody help me out. God, what is wrong with me today? Uh, so here's some information right here. It says regular season, same method for both leagues, play by play.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Oh, wait. That's damn near the same thing.

• 28:04Theo Von?

  Wow. So this says missed layups per team, per game. The NBA.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Don't mind, don't mind how many games they play compared to us.

• 28:12Theo Von?

  Okay, hold on.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  I just called this out. Sorry, girls.

• 28:15Theo Von?

  So per team in the NBA, the men miss 7.6 layups per 40 minutes and the women miss 9.7.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Okay. I'm just going to talk a little shit.

• 28:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Because I understand that we miss a lot of layups. Um, we also can't really, majority of us can't dunk the ball. And if I was a man and I was able to dunk, I'd be dunking that thing every single time.

• 28:35Theo Von?

  Yeah. What are you even doing, dude?

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Like you're that high up there? Like just fucking, fucking dunk it.

• 28:41Theo Von?

  Yeah. What are you doing, guy? Mister? Here's what you, that, that should have an asterisk by it. That's like, also these dudes are fucking pussies for not dunking the ball.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  I'm just making myself feel better. Okay?

• 28:53Theo Von?

  No, but you did a really good job of actually reframing that. And I'll say this, um, I think that's one thing that I can relate to about the WNBA is can't dunk, right? Sometimes miss layups and, um, yeah, and some, and you're like, I can't remember what the third one is.

• 29:13Theo Von?

  But anyway, Tacobas, guys.

• 29:17Theo Von?

  When you're stuck in a shitty conversation.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Just switch the subject altogether.

• 29:21Theo Von?

  These nice boots will get you on your way.

• 29:25Theo Von?

  You were saying that there was an incident when you guys didn't have security and it was like, so yeah, tell me about a time when it was, when it was more hectic.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  We weren't secure.

• 29:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. When I was a little insecure.

• 29:36Theo Von?

  Yeah, when you didn't have a firewall.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally. Um, no, we were going through the airport and, um, you know, stuff has like had happened that year and whatnot. But Brittany Griner gets like the worst rap. She is like the coolest person you will ever meet.

• 29:51Theo Von?

  Is she?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Yes, like you would, you and her would be best friends. She's down to earth, she's country, like just chill, super chill. And, um, so I want to shout that out before I even tell the story.

• 30:02Theo Von?

  Okay, yeah, she does get a rap or the energy you feel for some reason is different about her.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, she's the best. And so something happened at the airport and we literally had zero security and we got like swarmed. And they were all kind of going like after her a little bit. And so we all kind of like was as players, like, put a circle around her and like, there was one guy who I guess he was kind of our security. I don't, I don't know. And like, he was carrying, um, her actually Louis Vuitton bags.

• 30:30Theo Von?

  Okay, that's.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  No, listen to this, no, listen to this, this is funny. And I, I was like, I was the caboose and like, he saw what was happening. So he ran in to like push those people away. But when he did it, he threw the bags and he came back and cracked me right in the nose. And I was like, damn, I was like, I was trying to help, but I just get cracked by like a $5,000 bag right in my schnoz. Black eye the next day, it was great.

• 30:56Theo Von?

  People are like, all I'm saying is the WNBA is crazy. And we tried to talk to Brittany Griner and some gay guy hit one of their own players.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  He wasn't gay.

• 31:04Theo Von?

  I know he wasn't, but he was also carrying a Louis Vuitton bag for a WNBA player. So I'm just saying it comes across unique. But anyway, so, but yeah, that's dangerous and you're the one that got it.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, like, yeah.

• 31:19Theo Von?

  You were the victim. You end up in a lot of kind of spaces like that.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  I'm the victim.

• 31:24Theo Von?

  Or like you just end up in the scuffle somehow.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  I don't mean to, I literally don't mean to.

• 31:29Theo Von?

  Really?

• 31:29Speaker 01

  I don't, I mean, like, you're really telling me that I planned for someone to come. Like I was trying to get the caboose of her so they didn't come behind and all of a sudden someone comes and throws a bag and I'm the one who has a broken schnoz.

• 31:41Theo Von?

  It's your friend.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  No, but I'm saying like the guy came up and just threw the bag. Like, how was I gonna know that it's gonna hit me in the face?

• 31:47Theo Von?

  You're right.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  You know?

• 31:48Theo Von?

  You're right about that.

• 31:51Theo Von?

  Like smoke through my neck.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Can you see my napkins? No.

• 31:56Theo Von?

  Is napkins a euphemism for something? That's all I'm asking.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 32:00Theo Von?

  Oh, okay. I didn't know you were talking about.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  He gave me napkins.

• 32:02Theo Von?

  My bad. I don't know if there's like, I just didn't know if there's like, I just, I didn't know, yeah, I just didn't know if there's like a lot of like.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  That's actually hilarious.

• 32:11Theo Von?

  A lot, yeah. I didn't know if there's like a lot of sexual euphemisms out there or whatever.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Never heard that one.

• 32:16Theo Von?

  And some lady's like, hey, yeah, anyway, moving on. Uh, I can't see your napkins. I haven't looked either. I'm a gentleman.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Thank, thank you.

• 32:26Theo Von?

  How much did things change kind of when that class came in with like, um, Angel Reese, Katelyn Clark, uh, Cameron Brink? Bukers was the year after her, I think. But how much, when this new energies come in, like, how much did things change? And how, and how quickly did you notice it as a player?

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think like night and day and immediately, like you just have. Now, I will say like being drafted out to Phoenix because I had Diana Taurasi, who's the GOAT of our game.

• 32:52Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Cause of BG, like I, our games were always sold out. So like the sold out crowds were nothing new to me. Now, like being in Indiana.

• 33:01Theo Von?

  Oh, you guys were always sold out at that?

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, like we are, I've been very blessed with where I've played, truly. Because you would go, like when I got drafted, Indiana, I think they only had like 200 fans. Like it was, I mean, it was nap town. Like people went there to catch up on sleep, you play a game and you wanted to get out. But like now, it's like the place you want to play. People, that's like people's Super Bowl coming into Game Bridge Arena. Like it's, I mean, you've been in it, the energy, yeah, like it's fun. And so now every arena is like that. And so I think since that new class, um, you, you truly do, you have the, the private flights, you have security.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  I know some teams are still kind of working on making sure everyone gets to a certain level, but I know that the Fever are there. Like we're, we're at the highest level you can get at, right?

• 33:46Theo Von?

  And so. Operationally.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, operationally, um, our security. And I know, like, we keep saying that, but like, it's a huge, it's a big deal. Like the more, um, that people, the more you're visible on TV, um, you're going to get more fans. Like people are going to know who you are and that's a really great thing. But there's also a lot of like, kind of crazy people too, that like, we do have a lot of stalkers. I know I do and like, that's the negative side of things that people don't think about. Um, and so you, you do want to feel secure, but.

• 34:13Theo Von?

  Have you received, like, have you had stalkers like?

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, yeah, like I, we'll have to check if I'm even allowed to say this, but like, I like have, I think 20, I think people kind of that the FBI are watching for me, me alone.

• 34:27Theo Von?

  Really?

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:28Theo Von?

  What are some of his names?

• 34:29Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know. I know, yeah, I'm definitely not allowed to say that. I know one of them.

• 34:34Theo Von?

  You do?

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, he's locked away now.

• 34:36Theo Von?

  What, they locked him up because he was stalking you?

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Actually, this is public knowledge. Yeah, his name's Kevin. And the worst part about that is like, my, I have a miniature donkey named Kevin. And now I'm like, well, shit, do I need to rename Kevin?

• 34:48Theo Von?

  Oh, sometimes when he looks at you too. And I wonder if he's in, if he's working for that guy somehow, if he could be channeling visual.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Ew.

• 34:57Theo Von?

  You don't think that's possible?

• 34:58Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know, shit, I don't know, but no.

• 35:01Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:02Theo Von?

  You're ass stupid. This was about two hours ago. Judge denies bail reduction for Sophie Cunningham's alleged stalker. The man accused of stalking Indiana Fever guard Sophie Cunningham, that's you, was denied a bail reduction at Marion County Superior Court hearing, October 23rd.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Nice. Good work, Judge.

• 35:19Theo Von?

  Good job.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Thanks for clapping, everybody. It made me feel good.

• 35:25Theo Von?

  So that's gotta be crazy then. Did you have stalkers before?

• 35:28Speaker 01

  No, why would I?

• 35:30Theo Von?

  Well, I mean, just if you're, you're still playing.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, but.

• 35:33Theo Von?

  But since it's gotten different.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I will say like even just the, I don't know, the skill level of our game is always getting better. The athleticism of these young bucks are, I mean, so many people in our league can dunk now. That's insane.

• 35:45Theo Von?

  Really?

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, and like the, the younger classes even who are like in high school and college, like, people are just getting more and more athletic. So I'm just like.

• 35:52Theo Von?

  Rattle off, so you guys have the one, I know you have one girl on your team that can dunk.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, KK definitely can. She hasn't done it in a game. We have another girl named Shelley. She was, she's like a player development player. She can dunk.

• 36:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  But like.

• 36:04Theo Von?

  I went, I went up to KK one time, I'd start walking in the casino.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  She's the best.

• 36:07Theo Von?

  You play for the Indiana Fever, don't you? She's like, yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  She is the best. Just chill.

• 36:12Theo Von?

  Cool.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:13Theo Von?

  I was kind of excited. Aliyah Boston's probably my favorite player.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Really?

• 36:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  That's ballsy of me sitting right here.

• 36:20Theo Von?

  But you're also a good player.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Thanks, thanks.

• 36:24Theo Von?

  No, I mean.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm literally kidding.

• 36:26Theo Von?

  I mean, uh, yeah, I'm, uh, I'm a Fever fan.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm kidding.

• 36:29Theo Von?

  Right?

• 36:29Speaker 01

  AB's a Fever.

• 36:30Theo Von?

  No, I love being a Fever fan, dude. It's been good. No, but Aliyah Boston's got, just watching her get better so much, it's like amazing.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Oh, I was mean. I thought it was like 200, it's only, it was actually 6,000.

• 36:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, actually, you know what? Here's a stat right here. It says here, the, uh, here are the Fever's regular season home game averages, average per home game.

• 36:49Theo Von?

  Oh, in 2018, the average was 6,300 and then in 2026, the average is 16.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Look at 2022 though, like that's the one I remember.

• 36:57Theo Von?

  In 2022, the average was 1,700 fans.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  We were also in like a coliseum that they do the state fair at, but even then.

• 37:06Theo Von?

  Still, that was COVID times though.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Was it still COVID?

• 37:09Theo Von?

  I mean, it was like coming back from COVID. Either way, yeah, that was a rough.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  I love how people just use that term.

• 37:13Theo Von?

  That's true.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  People today also like, well, COVID, I'm like.

• 37:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, they're like, my husband left or whatever. Like, yeah, he, I got COVID.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  I've never heard that one.

• 37:22Theo Von?

  But people were using it for everything. Yeah. I got busted for pedophilia, but it's COVID times, you know, and you're like, that's, that doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? Like that's still a crime. Okay, still a bad deal, buddy.

• 37:43Theo Von?

  Oh, have, uh, have the halftime shows gotten better like as well with success? Like, what were some of the early halftime shows?

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I was in the locker room, so I don't necessarily know.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Hey, can you wait? I'm gonna go check out what halftime shows are like. I don't know, like.

• 37:59Theo Von?

  Well, what I really want to know is how did you end up with a miniature pony? That's what I want to know.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  I don't know. Where was that? Was it in Indy?

• 38:06Theo Von?

  No, you said you had a small horse. That's all I'm saying.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, we, I mean, we have like horses, donkeys, mules, and like, we just thought a miniature one would be kind of fun.

• 38:14Theo Von?

  Oh, I see what you're saying. It's not something you have in the house?

• 38:16Speaker 01

  No, that'd be gross.

• 38:19Theo Von?

  Would it? I have no idea.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  I mean, do you want horse shit stepping out of the shower?

• 38:23Theo Von?

  No, I didn't know if people have those. I don't know if they put diapers on them. I don't know what that's like.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  I mean, you do see that like on, I guess, social media of like the pigs and like the, I guess there are like goats and stuff that are, I don't know.

• 38:35Theo Von?

  Oh dude, some frickin' lady had a kangaroo in an airplane and had a diaper on it. Bring it up. Bring up that room they found on that plane.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Oh, you weren't on it?

• 38:45Theo Von?

  No, that, it was diapered though.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Wait, but if you were on it, then what?

• 38:49Theo Von?

  Then I would have like, I don't know, I probably would have rung that buzzer, you know? Dude, when they hear that buzzer, they get so pissed. Here you go. Look at this.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  What?

• 38:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  An emotional support kangaroo. I think they did ban, I mean, it's kind of cute.

• 39:04Theo Von?

  No, I know it's cute, but look at him. First of all, he's mixed. But second of all, look at this, bro. I mean, he's just like, what world are we living in?

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Is it strapped in? Like, is it belted in?

• 39:18Theo Von?

  He's carrying his own ticket. How are you missing the obvious things? You can't even.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  I just can, I just.

• 39:25Theo Von?

  Give him some credit, so be.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  Dude, I, I didn't even notice he was holding his own ticket.

• 39:29Theo Von?

  And he knows CPR. The craziest thing is those animals know CPR? Actually, a kangaroo would be good at CPR. They're very powerful, uh, hind and, or they, if they use their, if they were able to use their legs and stuff to push forward.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  I think kangaroos get their power from their tail.

• 39:47Theo Von?

  Well, dude, if that thing beat the fucking air back into my lungs, that'd be sick. You're just, and then he, pow, you're like, I'm back. Drew, Drewski and I were talking about getting a WN, oh, there he is right there in that one.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 40:02Theo Von?

  All I'm gonna say is that one's from Sacramento. If you know, you know.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  What were you about to say? You and Drewski were about to what?

• 40:09Theo Von?

  Oh, me and Drewski thought about starting a, we, we talked about starting a WNBA team or trying to, um.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  In Nashville?

• 40:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, or try to get one somewhere.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Do it.

• 40:19Theo Von?

  Does Austin have a team?

• 40:20Speaker 01

  Um, no.

• 40:22Theo Von?

  We thought about doing it, but we couldn't, we're trying to think of like a good team name, one that's real, you know?

• 40:26Speaker 01

  This should be good.

• 40:27Theo Von?

  Yeah, we didn't know what to do. The studs, maybe we're thinking? Or the Nashville licks, maybe? Like a, like a guitar lick? You think that'd be viable or not? Or is that too? You think it's too crazy or whatever? Or do you think, I think it'll be good.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 40:43Theo Von?

  I mean, yeah, we were talking about trying to, trying to maybe be a part of a team somehow. It'd be pretty cool, I think.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Dude, I think you guys would thrive.

• 40:50Theo Von?

  You do?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, already the team name, I think that is like a marketing genius idea.

• 40:56Theo Von?

  Do you think people would come and play for it?

• 40:57Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, I mean, if the shoe fits, right?

• 41:00Theo Von?

  You're right about that. If the Timberland fits.

• 41:05Theo Von?

  It is what it is. But yeah, I'll have to see if he's still interested in that. You know, the best business ideas come from people who are passionate about what they're creating. People who had an idea and a drive to make something happen. You know, we're always waiting for the right time to do something, like start a business. The truth is, the best time is now. And Shopify can help. Shopify is hands down the best place to start and grow a business. It's the platform where you really own everything, your store, your community. It's easier than ever to start a business today with Shopify.

• 41:51Theo Von?

  Cause you can start from anywhere, anytime, anyplace. We use Shopify for our merch store. They've been great as we've added new products over the years and scaled up or taken products off and scaled down. They take care of the logistics so we can stay focused on the creative side. There's no better feeling than having something that is truly yours. Find out what it feels like to say, that's my business at Shopify.com/ Theo. That's Shopify.com/ Theo.

• 42:27Theo Von?

  You've kind of been out speaking about like things, the way that the league is kind of run and like you guys as chairman or whatever, or chairwoman, what's her name?

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Uh, the commissioner?

• 42:33Theo Von?

  The commissioner.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, Kathy.

• 42:35Theo Von?

  Kathy, yeah. Are there things that you would do or the things that you think would be better to like, that you can talk about that you think would be better to help the league?

• 42:43Speaker 01

  I mean, I think first of all, that is a very hard position to be in and like, give her a little bit of credit. When she started, the league is not what it was now. And so we're, we're in the process of getting a new commissioner. I don't know if you know that.

• 42:58Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. So she, this is her last, I guess, kind of like couple of weeks. I don't, I don't know when, when she's stepping down. So we'll see here. Honestly, I have no idea. Oh, December.

• 43:10Theo Von?

  She's retiring.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  I mean, that's one way to put it.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  I would say.

• 43:16Theo Von?

  Retiring by force, they call it sometimes as well.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  I think that's more like it. Um, I think Adam Silver does a phenomenal job of having a relationship with his NBA players. And so I just think that's what we need on the W side. Like, where we're at as a league, like we need someone to come in here who has a backbone. Who's going to stick to, you know, what they do and hold the standard, but also like, we do have a lot of people who come from a lot of different backgrounds. It's a very diverse, diverse league, which I think is awesome, but you also need someone who, uh, has a common goal, like a goal. And bringing everyone together to like, try to get that goal. And so, um, I think it needs to be a player and owners league first. And so like, that's like having a relationship. Like you don't have a boss, you are the boss.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  But say you had a boss.

• 44:05Theo Von?

  God is my real boss.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  There you go. I like that. Well, it's like, honestly, him walking in here and him not even saying hi to you. And so like, it's like, no, like, we're in the, like, say hi, be human, be nice. And I think that's all we're really asking for is a little bit of respect and just like, be a normal human. Like, we're all trying to work for the same goal. We all want to make the WNBA the best it can be.

• 44:24Theo Von?

  Right.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  So I think in order to do that, you need great communication. You need to be open. You need to have our backs. You need to have the owners backs. We're not always going to get along. We're not always going to agree and the majority of the time, we're not going to get what we want as players. But just having that open line of communication and respect, I think is huge. And I think we deserve that.

• 44:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:41Theo Von?

  So you think that there's more potential for that forthcoming?

• 44:44Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. Like, there has to be. There has to be. And I think she, she did a lot of good things, but again, like, you've got to be willing to have a growth mindset. You have to be willing to, to grow and, um, want to grow our league, want this to be the best league and have this be the, the standard of all female sports leagues, right? And so in order to do that, you have to have someone who's, you know, willing to stick to their guns a little bit, push the limits a little bit, but also like, I don't know, be normal at the same time. Like, I, I don't think that's really that hard to do.

• 45:11Theo Von?

  Do you think she was just too business focused or too, or just like?

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Dude, I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't know her. Like, I don't talk to, she didn't talk to any of us. So how would, how would we know?

• 45:20Theo Von?

  Right. Here's Dan Patrick right here on WNBA Commissioner Kathy Engelbert cancelling her appearance on the show. If you want to be treated as a serious league, this is what happens. These are tough questions, but this is a fair, should we just play it? Okay.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  This was, a couple of weeks after this is when she stepped down. It was like when there was a lot of pressure on her, but this is really funny.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Yesterday, we were hoping to do an interview with Kathy Engelbert. She's the WNBA commissioner. Todd spoke to her a couple of nights ago and we had a pairings party. Todd went up to her. She's been very friendly to the show. Last year at this event was friendly to us and Todd said, hey, we'd love to have you on. There's a lot of questions. People have not heard answers from the commissioner and she said yes. So yesterday after the show, we waited almost two hours for her. This was scheduled. And she's 50 yards away. She's getting practice shots out of the bunker. So that's what's disappointing. We deserve more respect than what she gave us yesterday.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  We want to cover the WNBA. The PR staff, somebody did a disservice to this.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  I love how they picked that shot.

• 46:32Theo Von?

  She kind of seemed, she gives some Biden energy too there.

• 46:36Theo Von?

  Just this is just like this little Biden energy for me and that. But he's saying they felt disrespected. Why?

• 46:43Speaker 02

  She bailed on the last, at the last second for the, the meeting. So.

• 46:46Theo Von?

  I see. And they were looking forward to it.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Well, like, here's our thing.

• 46:49Theo Von?

  You need, you need, you need a spokesperson.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Well, and also like, we have been screaming from the rooftops since this league started that like, we want respect. We want to be on mainstream TV. We don't want to, people have to go to weird websites to watch us. Like, we have been asking for equality. And now that we have it, like, pressures are privileged. Like, you gotta step up to the plate. And that doesn't mean it's always gonna be easy. Like, that is a very tough job. You're gonna have to answer really tough questions. You're gonna have to, maybe not always know the answer, but it's okay to admit when you don't know.

• 47:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  And, and say that. That's why you have a whole staff around you. So you can be your best self and, and lean on them. Like, no one's great by themselves. That's why everyone has a village. And so I just think we need someone representing the WNBA, um, who's, who's willing to do the hard, who's embracing the hard. And also, like, that's a really cool frickin' job, too. Like, I mean, that's a badass job. And so, like, be proud of that. Want, want to be interviewed. Want to promote your product. Like, I just don't understand that point of, you're denying an interview, but people are wanting to talk to us finally. So why are we denying it?

• 47:50Theo Von?

  Right.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  I don't get that.

• 47:52Theo Von?

  Yeah, maybe she's shy.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  You know what? Maybe she is. We'll, we'll give her that. We'll give her a little bit of grace. She's shy.

• 48:00Theo Von?

  The shy commissioner, they'll call her.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:03Theo Von?

  Some people are shy, but sometimes you can't wait forever for them to figure it out.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Also, that's not the job. If you're shy, then.

• 48:10Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Why did, why was she picked in the first place?

• 48:13Theo Von?

  Yeah, do something different. Just work indoors or something. Um, or do something calmer. Work at a, like a, I'm trying to think of somewhere I would work if I was real shy, I guess. Maybe, um, library or movie, work in the movie projector at a theater. Toll booth, but now people get chatty with those people. My buddy was trying to flirt with this toll booth lady for like, two years. Cause every time he'd go by, he'd get like, one word into her, you know? And so finally he got her number, but it took like, he would, she would yell the number like each time he came through, dude. He communicated with her for like, two years. And finally, he kinda got her number and shit. And then went out one time.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  No way.

• 48:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, swear to God. But it didn't, it didn't work out, but.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  Cause they only know how to say one word when they were on the date.

• 48:56Theo Von?

  Well, he'd be going, no, he'd go, yeah, oh yeah, they're on the date. They're like.

• 49:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, that'd be so stupid, dude. I gotta get some help for myself. But I'm gonna be fine. Uh, anyway.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Were you the friend?

• 49:12Theo Von?

  No, I don't know if I've ever been like, somebody like that. Oh dude, I'll tell you one time. I left, um, I was at the bank and I'd been trying to flirt with this teller, right? And so, I finally get up the courage and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna write her a note. But then I'm at the bank writing a note on a thing. And then as I'm slipping it through the thing, you can see her face like.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Uh oh.

• 49:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think she thought it was gonna be a crime.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Oh, oh.

• 49:35Theo Von?

  Cause I was like, putting a note through the thing. And, um, and she just kinda went like this. So she might've been married, or she might've just like, been like, the alarms are gonna go off, you know?

• 49:45Speaker 01

  Feel that. Weirdly, I don't, when's the last time you've been to a bank to do that?

• 49:49Theo Von?

  Um, this was probably three years ago.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Really?

• 49:52Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 49:53Theo Von?

  Well, I was living in LA and it's, I just like, it was more fun to go on errands there, cause the weather's always nice. So it's just like, you get out and it's so great.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  I feel that, actually.

• 50:02Theo Von?

  You know, it's like, okay, I'm gonna go to the bank.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, like get outside and actually do something.

• 50:05Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're like, hey, I'm at the bank. Who works at the bank? Dude, when I was a kid, if you went to the bank, bro, they had like candy, it was good.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Suckers.

• 50:12Theo Von?

  Yeah. And they had that, uh, you remember that, that thing that would go up through?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. You could watch it. You could watch your.

• 50:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like that.

• 50:21Theo Von?

  And you'd be like, oh, that's our money.

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:23Theo Von?

  You know, and then, um, in high school, we would get those things and we would like, fill them with the wheat. We'd like, turn them into, like for smoking dope or whatever.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  So you stole it?

• 50:34Theo Von?

  Well, no, we would use it in the car and then we would send it back into the people.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Oh, and it'd have smoke in it?

• 50:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Oh, you shitheads. Well, or did they like it? Well, one or the other.

• 50:44Theo Von?

  They'd never complain about it. I don't even know what we're talking about, dude. How, do you think, how many points do you think?

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 50:52Theo Von?

  How many points do you think I could score in a WNBA game?

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Dude, I, all I've seen is a picture of you in, when was that? How old were you? All I know is you were ripping cigs and you chose cigs over basketball. So honestly, I'd say you wouldn't score a point.

• 51:10Theo Von?

  Whoa, Sophie, that's not even that fair.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Is that too harsh?

• 51:14Theo Von?

  I think I would score eight points. If you let me play for three quarters, I'm gonna need a little bit of rest.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Like, what did you, what did you do? Like, when you, hey, when you took a break from cigs and you came back to the game, were you like, a point guard? Were you a shooter? Were you smoking lays?

• 51:33Theo Von?

  I was, I was a power forward, probably. I was a slight forward. Something slight. Uh, yeah, nothing. I was good for.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  Left bench?

• 51:46Theo Von?

  I was good. I was good for six points, I think.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Back then?

• 51:51Theo Von?

  Yeah. But that's cause that didn't give me a lot of playing time, dude.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Dude, if you're not getting playing time then.

• 51:56Theo Von?

  They had racial barrier. They had a big racial barrier.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  You're not even.

• 51:59Theo Von?

  That's all I'm saying. There was a big racial barrier in our league. Okay? And we were not getting a lot of playing time.

• 52:08Theo Von?

  And that's when the, yeah. So I've had a different W that's kept me on the bench, okay?

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Dude, you're an idiot.

• 52:16Theo Von?

  I know, but I'm good at it.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  You are.

• 52:19Theo Von?

  Thank you.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  You're a pro at it.

• 52:20Theo Von?

  Um, oh, how much, um, how, how much of, uh, cause for some reason, you guys' league creates a lot, like, for some reason, there's like, so much energy coming out of it. Do you feel like that?

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do.

• 52:34Theo Von?

  And maybe it's cause it's women and that's where like the world, like the, the, that's like the creation of like, life, you know? So it's like, that creates like, a lot of like, different energy. But do you feel like the media makes way more bullshit than?

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Dude, yes. Like, that is actually part of our problem. Is like, the media around the W.

• 52:52Theo Von?

  It's gross.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  It, it really is. Because like, you are stirring stuff up that doesn't even exist. And then like, we all see it and it's like, wait, is there, like, no, there's not. And like, a lot of the beef in between players on social media, like, they don't even talk. They've never even really had a real relationship. So like, it's strictly media. And honestly, I just started a podcast myself.

• 53:12Theo Von?

  You did?

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's called No Hesey. And I, me and Drew Hanlon do it. And it's like, strictly basketball. And it's like, where you can, like, all we do is actually talk about what real and good basketball looks like. And it's just an outlet for WNBA, NBA. Because there's not, on the WNBA side, like, all these people covering us, I won't say all, cause I don't wanna discredit the people who do do a good job. But like, the majority, they just want the clickbait. Like, they just want, um, the drama, because that's where the attention pulls. But like, there's so much, like, so many great things going on in our league, that like, that needs to be highlighted. The people playing at an elite, elite level, like, why are we not highlighting, highlighting and breaking down those people's film? Like, that makes no sense to me. And so that's kinda why we started this. Because I personally have seen

• 53:56Speaker 01

  the awesome things that, you know, social media can give you. But I've also seen the real negative, like, bad stuff that it also brings. And it's like, okay, it's never as good as it seems. It's never as bad as it seems. So like, why can't we just have like, real basketball journalism? So that's what I'm here for.

• 54:14Theo Von?

  Nice. Well, yeah, I don't, I still don't know if real journalism even exists anymore.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  I don't know. Well, I would say like, the NBA and like, I would say like, NBA, NFL, MLB, they don't have the, the drama. And like, there are people are actually covering stats in sports and like, good stories. Where ours, it's like, barely any of the real basketball. Like, it's all about, and I think it's cool that people are wanting to know who we are. And like, yes, write stories on how we were raised and X, Y, and Z. But also like, cover what we do for a living. We're, we have this platform for a reason. That's the only reason why you know us is because of basketball. So like, that should be the majority of it. And it's not.

• 54:52Theo Von?

  Yeah, I, I agree. And it's, I mean, I do think the media creates, they, that, that's part of it, right?

• 54:57Speaker 01

  It is.

• 54:58Theo Von?

  They wanna create.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  They're doing their job.

• 54:59Theo Von?

  Right, right.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  But that doesn't always mean like, you can, you can do your job. It depends actually what your end goal is. Like, what's your intent? Are you just trying to be drama and be a diva and stir up shit? Or are you actually going to be like, someone who is respectable and who does a great job and people learn from you, but also have fun while doing it? Like, what's your end goal?

• 55:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  I don't know. That was actually a really good answer by me.

• 55:22Theo Von?

  That was good.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks.

• 55:23Theo Von?

  Dude, isn't it cool when you have a good answer?

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it makes me feel good about myself.

• 55:26Theo Von?

  Dude, when you get to the end of a cool, cool couple of sentences in a row.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Nailed it.

• 55:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're like.

• 55:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's like that lady that lands like after the flips, whatever, in the Olympics or whatever.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Gymnast?

• 55:37Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:38Theo Von?

  Thanks. Yeah, you're like.

• 55:42Theo Von?

  I told you, mom. Look at me now. This is a fucking three sentence thought. Yeah. Dude, that is pretty good, though. I like that. Um, yeah, what's one of the bigger things you feel like that the media stirred up that, that maybe it wasn't even a thing?

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Hmm, I mean, they're like, I would say ninety, ninety percent of the drama that you hear about in the WNBA is made up drama. Like, it's not, I don't know. Like you, and, and another thing is, like, you go from, I get this a lot and I, and I've learned to be a pro to like, not judge people when you're competing against them all the time. Where it's like, if they were on my team, I'd probably absolutely love them. And so I, I don't know. It's, it's us as the women in the league to like, you know, you're gonna compete. You know, you're not always gonna get along. Like, why would you be best friends with, I don't know, people you're trying to, not like, I don't know, try to win against? Yeah. And so if you're always competing and like, never on their side, then you're probably

• 56:42Speaker 01

  gonna create some rivalries. You're gonna create some tension. And I think that's natural. That's what happens when you're a competitor, when you're at the highest level. But also, I think, I don't know, just like, I don't know, people just run with shit that is just not, I just don't get it. Like, I'm like, now, I'm not gonna give you details, details. But like, I'm telling you, ninety percent of WNBA drama is made up shit.

• 57:06Theo Von?

  Welcome.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we really do have like a solid, cool league. Like, I think when people get to know the women in our league, like people like, oh, y'all are, y'all are great. You guys are awesome. It's like, yeah, like actually have a conversation with us.

• 57:16Theo Von?

  Do, which is what we're trying to do here.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:19Theo Von?

  Um, okay. Sorry. I don't know why I sounded kind of gruff, but I was just practicing a new voice. But sometimes it feels like the teams in the W actually don't like each other as much, which I kind of think is better because sometimes the NBA just feels like it almost like a lot of the NBA just feels like everybody's just buddies now.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:36Theo Von?

  It's just a bunch of millionaire buddies. So I think sometimes the thing that's interesting about the W is that like, you know, like some of these women probably have a second job, right? You know, some of these women out here grinding, and so they gotta beat the other team. Whereas a lot of like, I think some pro levels of sports, it starts to feel like, oh, these guys are all just rich friends, who are just like passing around a lot of the same women or whatever and knocking up, and just like getting a lot of the same wombs filled up type of energy, baby mama shit or whatever type shit. But it's like, uh, y'all stuff feels like, I don't know. It just feels like, okay, let's see what's popping out here.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  No, I think there's some like real truth to this. I mean, there's definitely players that.

• 58:24Theo Von?

  And here's a clip of you right now hugging a woman, which first of all.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  I was just trying to show love.

• 58:29Theo Von?

  But that's a little, so you did not like that girl?

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Um, no, I don't have a problem with her.

• 58:37Theo Von?

  Really? Let's watch this one more time.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  Why are you guys laughing? I, I really don't.

• 58:42Theo Von?

  No, I'm not saying you do.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Do you want me to break it down?

• 58:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, break it down.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  I know you want me to break it down, so I will.

• 58:47Theo Von?

  Break it down.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  So how many, that was 15 seconds? So the other like 38 minutes in that whole game, I'm a queen for blaming who I'm about to blame, the refs. Our refs are horrible. And so.

• 59:05Theo Von?

  Are they real refs? Like, are they licensed or whatever?

• 59:08Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah.

• 59:09Theo Von?

  Okay. No one knows.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  You know what? Actually, I've never seen any of their license. So I don't know. They keep showing up. They have some type of credential. I've never seen it.

• 59:21Theo Von?

  They should have to wear it around their neck or at least have a QR code on their chest or whatever.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I think that's a great idea. Maybe we'll add that in. Um, this game was just crazy. Like they were just getting away with stuff that should not, like if that was any of us, they would have called it tech. People would have been already ejected by this game if they called it correctly.

• 59:39Theo Von?

  Right.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  And it was just too much.

• 59:40Theo Von?

  Right.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Like, like this game was just too much. It was just like petty shit.

• 59:43Theo Von?

  Shit had gone way overboard.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  And like, I can deal with that for a little bit, but then like, this is at the end of the game. I'm a little tired. I'm hungry. Horrible combination. And honestly, when she stole this ball, I was like, I was back there. So I was like, okay. I literally in my head was like, you know, you don't have to foul her. Like you don't like, you're, you're up by 15. There's X amount of minutes or seconds left. Who cares?

• 1:00:04Theo Von?

  You kind of wrapped your arms around it. Almost like you were trying to get just a little bit of rest, like a little second of rest.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Well, this is where no one really believes me, but actually I guess you can't really tell them that. I would look like a liar if I was about to say what I was gonna say.

• 1:00:15Theo Von?

  What were you gonna say then?

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Well, what I was gonna say is I was, I was literally just gonna go straight up.

• 1:00:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  But at the last second, I really was like, I was like, fuck it. And so I did that.

• 1:00:23Theo Von?

  Let me hug a bit.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I didn't mean to like get her there, but I mean, I did get her, but shit, if you're gonna do that, buck up. And I, I mean, I'm not ever gonna, I mean.

• 1:00:33Theo Von?

  And then you guys, yeah, it just didn't.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  I mean, but you just get tired of people's shit. I'm sure people in our league.

• 1:00:38Theo Von?

  I'm sure.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Get tired of my shit and I know that and that's fine. And like, that's part of pro sports and I think rivalries are fun. I think when, I think when teams or like players don't like each other, like you know, it's about to be a good ass game.

• 1:00:50Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Like, and like, why don't people want that?

• 1:00:52Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Like be like, I get it. Like you can be cool and as a pro, you have to, you have to, there's a fine line. Still trying to figure that out. The fine line of like being a competitor, but you might be teammates with them down the road. But like, at the end of the day, I'm, I'm sometimes maybe too good at being where my two feet are at, where I'm like, this is, this is my team. I'm gonna go to war with them. I'm, if they need something, I'm gonna be there. Like that's just who I am as a person, as a player, all that. And so in that instance, like that game was too much. I was over their shit. And so I was like, why not?

• 1:01:20Theo Von?

  This is what's up.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Theo Von?

  Yeah. Just gonna inject here myself a little bit. Um, one of the many things that stood out for people was your famous point, right?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:01:29Theo Von?

  And it was, um, and how do you, take me through, so how do you actually do it?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:01:34Theo Von?

  Is there a strategy to it?

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  No, no, I think that I'm, people say pointing is rude. Um.

• 1:01:41Theo Von?

  But how are you gonna give somebody directions if you don't, like if they don't have a, uh, GPS or whatever?

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I'm saying. And like, I.

• 1:01:49Theo Von?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:51Theo Von?

  Say if you drove up to somebody, right? You're with your grandpa or whatever. You drive up and your grandpa's like, how do I get to Johnson's farm or whatever? And the guy just said, well, you go and didn't fucking point?

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  I would be like, I don't know where to go. Like, go that way. Like we were like, I just don't, I don't know. I think everyone's just got so soft.

• 1:02:08Theo Von?

  What if you see something in the sky?

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  I think I maybe have a pointing problem. Well, I don't know. Cause like growing up, it's like, oh yeah, it's over there or like, hey, or like, what's going on? Like I'm a, like I use my hands when I talk. Like that's just who I am.

• 1:02:18Theo Von?

  Pointing problem. You pointing, it's just saying, hey, there.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Theo Von?

  It makes sense.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  And it's not like I walked out there.

• 1:02:25Theo Von?

  And God gave us 10 abilities to point.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. So maybe I should have pointed with this finger.

• 1:02:30Theo Von?

  Oh yeah. I point with that middle one a lot, boy.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. See, and I don't. So anyway, what happened was I, you know, I need to stop sticking it for my teammates. I think that's what it is. That's where I get, that's where I get caught.

• 1:02:42Theo Von?

  Really? But that's fun though. And it seems like it gives you a role too, even more of a role than just, um.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  Smoking lays.

• 1:02:51Theo Von?

  Just.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Theo Von?

  Just shooting threes and being a boss.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean.

• 1:02:57Theo Von?

  Dude, the game I was at, I think he had six threes.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that's what I get paid to do. I should be able to do that.

• 1:03:02Theo Von?

  Type shit. Look at this again. Okay. And bro, this point was up and what were you actually doing? And what were you?

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Thinking?

• 1:03:10Theo Von?

  The point was up for 22 seconds. Were you just making sure they knew who did it?

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  No, really was. I just got in her head. Like, look, like, here's the thing, something happened and I was talking to, uh, the ref 41.

• 1:03:22Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  Um, I'm blinking on his name.

• 1:03:25Theo Von?

  It's like the pointer says, wasn't that an old band or whatever?

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  But what happened was I was like.

• 1:03:29Theo Von?

  Find one other hit song. It's good one.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  But all I was saying, I was like, um, if, if she's gonna get a T, shouldn't she? I literally just went like this and then she got, she just got mad at me. She's like, don't you fucking point at me? And I was like, oh, shouldn't have said that. Boom.

• 1:03:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  And that's when like, she was just going, I mean, look at it. Like she was just going crazy. And so I just held, I just held it. I didn't say a word. Didn't say a word. I got my nails done that day. So happy I did that.

• 1:03:51Theo Von?

  Oh, so you definitely had to put them out on the front porch.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  I mean, no, but.

• 1:03:55Theo Von?

  Put them bitches on the front porch.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  I did, but not even knowing. So.

• 1:03:59Theo Von?

  And you pointed for 22 seconds, it said.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Well, she just kept going crazy. Like the thing is, don't, don't react. Like, don't, like, don't care. Who cares?

• 1:04:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Like what, if someone pointed at me, I'm like, all right, cool. Like who gives a fuck?

• 1:04:11Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  I don't know. I just, maybe I'm different. I don't know.

• 1:04:14Theo Von?

  That should be the W logo. Did people, there was a bunch of, didn't people sell merch and everything about this?

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Dude, yes. It was honestly, the, the internet's undefeated.

• 1:04:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's funny. It was a good moment.

• 1:04:26Theo Von?

  And how did, was there a certain way that you did it? How do you even unleash it?

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Dude, I don't know. It was just natural. Like my like natural sass just kind of got, got me.

• 1:04:34Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:04:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  But like last year, cause the clip you guys played, like last year, fans would come up and they're like, can you put me in a headlock? And I'm like, ew.

• 1:04:43Theo Von?

  Why?

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  That's not, because of the clip before that we just showed and like now it's like, oh, point. And I'm like, ew. I'm like, let's just take a normal photo.

• 1:04:52Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Theo Von?

  Um, I was, I was joking a little bit ago about, uh, people having other jobs. Do people in the league have other jobs? Do you know?

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Honestly, this is a great point because you were talking about like the NBA getting along. It's because they all make a shit ton of money.

• 1:05:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  So like, no one, I mean, they care, right? And they, they love ball, but like they're all getting paid millions of dollars.

• 1:05:14Theo Von?

  Well, all of them might not be, but a lot of them are. And I agree, they all, they all are friends. So it is, it definitely.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  But it's because of the money. Think about this. Like what is the minimum in, in the NBA salary? I have no idea.

• 1:05:28Theo Von?

  One year of service. First of all, calling it a year of service is an insane statement.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  And that is actually.

• 1:05:34Theo Von?

  When there are people who are actually.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  Serving.

• 1:05:36Theo Von?

  Yeah. One year of service, dude.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Okay. But look, my point exactly is like.

• 1:05:42Theo Von?

  It's 2.1 million.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:44Theo Von?

  And a rookie is making 1.3. It says, the NBA league minimum salary for a rookie for the 2026, 27 season is 1.3. While a veteran with 10 point, while a veteran with 10 or more years of service earns a minimum of 3.8.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  So everyone's at least making a million.

• 1:05:58Theo Von?

  Right. So that might, that might be a part of why they can get along easier, just because they're comfortable.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Cause everyone, yes, everyone's comfortable. My rookie year after taxes and everything, I think I made like $28,000. So yeah, and I'm not like, back then I was not a very scholarly person. Like I went to high school, I went to college because that was the steps to become a professional athlete. And I wish I would have been better in school. Like I wish I would have done like finances or business or something like that. I didn't. And.

• 1:06:23Theo Von?

  That's okay.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fine. But what I'm getting at is like, I was making 28,000. And I was like, I was like, I need to get a job. Like I need to actually do something to make money.

• 1:06:32Theo Von?

  So you were playing in the W and do you have another job?

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  And like, there's a girl, she just came out. Um, she plays for Seattle.

• 1:06:37Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  She actually was working out like a grocery store and playing in the WNBA. So like people actually had two jobs. But now because of our new CBA agreement, which is great, um, it's gonna continue to get better. Like we're all making good money now. So we don't need to.

• 1:06:49Theo Von?

  The median salary, um, is 350,000 is the base pay. What does that say? Let me see, the average WNBA base salary in 2026 is about 518,000, but most players earn far less. With the median at 350 and 45% making 300,000 or less. Wow. That's a great yield of money.

• 1:07:07Theo Von?

  Um, thirty one players earn one million or more led by Kelsey Mitchell, Asia, Asia Wilson, and Nafisa Collier, Nafisa?

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Nafisa?

• 1:07:15Theo Von?

  Nafisa Collier at one point four million each. Katelyn Clark earned five hundred and twenty eight thousand in twenty twenty six and is set to earn five ninety seven.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  She's still on her like rookie contract.

• 1:07:23Theo Von?

  In twenty twenty seven with a potential max deal. Um, wow. So it's gotten a lot better.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Dude, yeah, like.

• 1:07:29Theo Von?

  So that was the only case. So that's the only case you know of a woman that had another job?

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  I mean, I know a lot of people who are doing like side gigs and like I.

• 1:07:36Theo Von?

  Are people, are people doing OnlyFans? Are any players doing OnlyFans?

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I don't know.

• 1:07:42Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  I'm not. I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't know, I guess.

• 1:07:45Theo Von?

  Have you ever thought about it or not?

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  No, I'm like, yeah, no, not at, not in my alley.

• 1:07:51Theo Von?

  I keep my privates to myself.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Well, actually, I guess her.

• 1:07:55Theo Von?

  WNBA affiliated figures who have OnlyFans include veteran Eric, veteran guard Erica Wheeler and former All-Star Liz Cambage.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Wait, what?

• 1:08:04Theo Von?

  Cam Beige, who launched an account after stepping away from the league.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  So Erica's is with OnlyFans trying to show that they have other content on there.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, I've never heard of it, of training family. You know, this, this doesn't make sense to me because that's like McDonald's trying to serve enchiladas. Like, that's never going to be.

• 1:08:24Theo Von?

  Right. If you, yeah, don't, yeah.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  You get what I'm saying? Like, no one, I promise you, no one is going or thinking of that and thinking, oh, family, health content.

• 1:08:36Theo Von?

  Right. Let me go to OnlyFans to see, yeah, this cool recipe or someone building a birdhouse with their son.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  No, yeah, that's just not it.

• 1:08:45Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  And like, really, if she would have stuck it out a little bit, one point five, I'm sure, sounds nice, but she would have been making way more if she would have just stuck in the league, but.

• 1:08:53Theo Von?

  If she'd have stayed in? What are some things that take women out of the league that maybe we don't see?

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Actually, that's good. Um, I'm gonna hit on this point, too, that I think a lot of people, we actually used to have to go overseas because that's where we made the majority of our money. So like now, because of this new CBA and even the last CBA, you saw less and less players going overseas. So like, people would go to China, Russia, um, Turkey, Spain, like, they would make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars over there. So they had to.

• 1:09:22Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  But if you have that WNBA like title within like who you are, you're gonna automatically make more money. Like, that's, we were the most elite level that you could get at, but back then we were making kind of like the minimum almost. And so now it's like flipping. So now we're starting to get paid for, you know, who we are and what we represent and all of that. And so it's good. So you see less and less people going overseas. But there's um, a new um, offseason league, um, that, there's one in Miami and then there's one this year. It's actually called Project B. Um, and I'm, I'm doing it. It's like the first year.

• 1:09:55Theo Von?

  Project B like the pill or whatever?

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  That's Plan B.

• 1:09:58Theo Von?

  Oh, my bad.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  I mean, I could see how you get it confused, you know?

• 1:10:02Theo Von?

  I don't take them.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  I'd be concerned if you did.

• 1:10:07Theo Von?

  Yeah. And would they let me play in the league?

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  I mean, hey, if you're having to take that after some stuff, maybe you do belong in our league. I don't know.

• 1:10:13Theo Von?

  That's all I'm saying, dude.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  We can all find common ground.

• 1:10:16Theo Von?

  That's true.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's all perspective.

• 1:10:19Theo Von?

  We gotta get some help. Um, did, so we finish up where you stand? I think I stepped on you.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  No, you're fine. So like, we're, um, like, some of us too, like, I stopped going and playing overseas because I was making more money in uh, marketing agreements. I was uh, endorsers, partners. I was doing uh, broadcasts for NBA, so like.

• 1:10:37Theo Von?

  Was that before you played in uh, for the Mercury?

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  No, that was like, um, during. So like, our season is from.

• 1:10:43Theo Von?

  Oh, you would finish your season with the W and then go play?

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Yes. So like, so our season is from like mid-April is when training camp starts. And then we would typically in like beginning of October.

• 1:10:53Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  And so then from October to like beginning of April, a lot of people will go play in different leagues to like continue to make more money.

• 1:11:00Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  But I, there's a lot of people, including myself, that like, we made more money not doing that and we made it more off of like.

• 1:11:07Theo Von?

  Brand deals, different types of things.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  All that type of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:10Theo Von?

  So you were able to have those opportunities you didn't have to?

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:11:12Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13Theo Von?

  Um, a, a lot of people's argument with, I mean, you guys are getting paid better. Now you guys have T, television deals and things like that. Um, I do, just even by watching all, I start to get to know other players.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:11:24Theo Von?

  Dude, there was a frickin' dime that played on the tempo. You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Um, white makes black.

• 1:11:31Theo Von?

  Mixed, kind of.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  Um, Izzy Harrison, post player. She's beautiful. But they, they have, they have a lot of pretty players, so.

• 1:11:39Theo Von?

  Oh, dude, the point guard that they had? I saw her in the frickin' pool at the frickin' hotel in Las Vegas.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:45Theo Von?

  She was cool.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  Rice, I think is her last name.

• 1:11:47Theo Von?

  She was tough.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's a rookie. Yeah, she's good.

• 1:11:50Theo Von?

  Oh, no, this lady, this lady uh, been in, oh, Toronto, the Toronto team. Are they the maroon team?

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're new this year.

• 1:11:56Theo Von?

  Is that the tempo?

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:57Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Who is that? Can you look up?

• 1:11:58Theo Von?

  Yeah, just look it up.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Sorry, I should probably know that.

• 1:12:01Theo Von?

  No, it's cool. Oh, Mabry.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, Marina?

• 1:12:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Love her. You know what I love is like.

• 1:12:07Theo Von?

  Tough. Dude, yeah, that.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  She's good. Twenty points per game.

• 1:12:10Theo Von?

  Marina Mabry, that's who I saw play. Um, I saw her in the pool. Dude, I was scared. I was like, I saw her in the pool in Las Vegas. It was during Summer League.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:18Theo Von?

  There was a, you guys had a game, I think, a couple of days, like, towards the end of Summer League, but I was leaving that day. But anyway, um, and I think I saw her in the pool with like her family or something.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Theo Von?

  But she's a bucket though. She's good.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  She's so good. Dude, I think it's so funny, though, that like, normally females are going to like NBA rosters and seeing like, oh, where's the hot one? And now here you are going to a WNBA roster. Where's the hot one?

• 1:12:44Theo Von?

  I didn't say that, bro. I said, I saw.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  You're not saying it. You're literally doing it.

• 1:12:49Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, shit.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  And you did say it.

• 1:12:51Theo Von?

  But.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  I think it's fun. But that's what you're saying is like, the attention, now you know other people.

• 1:12:56Theo Von?

  Well, I got to watch her play.

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  To everybody. I know, she's a badass. Like, she's frickin' good.

• 1:13:00Theo Von?

  Yeah, she was tough.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:01Theo Von?

  Um, oh, you know where I saw you? I saw you at UFC in Vegas.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  That was my first UFC event.

• 1:13:07Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  It was awesome.

• 1:13:08Theo Von?

  I remember Dana saying right after I was talking to her, we're just like.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  I love Dana.

• 1:13:12Theo Von?

  Oh, he loves you. He's like, oh, that's, that's so beat you great.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  No, I, well, what happened? I was just kidding. Like, clearly I don't look like a ring girl. And so, wow, you've said that a little too fast. Relax.

• 1:13:22Theo Von?

  Well, some of them are professional.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  No, like, they're like real ring girls. And so.

• 1:13:26Theo Von?

  Which is a crazy term, dude. Let's just go.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Well, sorry, I don't know. Like, I don't know anything about, about UFC fighting.

• 1:13:33Theo Von?

  Oh, no, some of them are frickin' war, I mean, they are number warriors.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  What's, what are we talking about?

• 1:13:38Theo Von?

  Ring girls. And there's frickin' Patty right behind you.

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  Dude, I know. Oh, that was the best energy fight, I feel like. Like, the McGregor one? Oh, my God, yeah. Uh, what's the, what's the song? Yeah, it's fucking awesome.

• 1:13:51Theo Von?

  Because here's what happened. Usually, they just come out and then they start to fight. But this time, since they have a new deal with Paramount, they had to have.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  I thought you were gonna say because they have a new ring girl. All right, whatever, Paramount.

• 1:14:02Theo Von?

  But I love, I love, I was about, it was about you, though. They're like, oh, this ring girl's so good. Let's just keep having her do laps.

• 1:14:10Theo Von?

  But they had, um, they went to a, they have to, they had more commercial breaks, so they had to go to commercial.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:14:15Theo Von?

  So they just let him basically have this DJ moment in the middle of the ring.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, it was awesome. And so, what, but the McGregor, like, yeah, that's me.

• 1:14:25Theo Von?

  At least she shaved under your arms.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Theo Von?

  That's good.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Thanks. But what I was gonna say is I.

• 1:14:31Theo Von?

  And you're number one.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  Um, I was talking to Dana and I was like, literally kidding. That was the first time I met him.

• 1:14:37Theo Von?

  And you said, let me go.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Love it. I said, hey, I said, right when he was leaving, I said, hey, if you need another ring girl. And I literally went like that. And he's like, you wanna do it? And then I was like, yeah. He's like, no, seriously, you're up in like five minutes. I was like, oh, shit.

• 1:14:47Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I actually got, I don't really get nervous for things and I don't know why I was gonna get nervous to turn left.

• 1:14:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:14:56Theo Von?

  Well, could you go left easily or is that a?

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I think I did it. I think I can walk left.

• 1:15:00Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, I would get scared, I think.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  No, it, it's actually way more nerve wracking than what you give those, well, I, I did not give maybe those girls as much credit as I should, but then once I was over there. Well, like, I don't know, like, when, when you're not, when all you see is like them walking, but then when you have to be the one walking, it's like a whole different deal.

• 1:15:21Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Like, give them some damn respect. Shit's hard.

• 1:15:25Theo Von?

  Dude, I've been supporting them, dude. I've even frickin', I think I slid in one of them DMs.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're supporting them for different reasons. UFC, though, as a whole, amazing experience.

• 1:15:35Theo Von?

  Had you been before?

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:15:36Theo Von?

  Oh, you'd never been?

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 1:15:37Theo Von?

  It's the best.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  But I will say I am definitely a newbie because on one of the fights, someone like kicked the shit out of someone and I, I heard the skin on skin and I went, oh, and everyone else is silent. And I had got like, no joke, like twenty five people were like, and I was like, sorry, it's my first fight. And they were like, oh, it's okay. I'm like, are you not allowed to scream here? Like, they can beat the shit out of each other where you can be like, oh.

• 1:15:58Theo Von?

  I hate it. It's kind of crazy. There is like this odd silence. It's same thing happens, I feel like, at a lot of sporting events. At boxing, I notice sometimes people will be very silent while the beating is going on.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Oh, see, and here, here's my thing, too, is like, I'm fine. Like, yeah, you can get a hit in, but once like they're like knocked out, I can't watch anymore. Like, I, I don't know, like, call the fight faster.

• 1:16:18Theo Von?

  Oh, sometimes they let them punch them one more time after he's knocked out and sometimes two more times.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, and just like.

• 1:16:23Theo Von?

  I guess if they've been really bad or whatever.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Choking people out scares the shit out of me.

• 1:16:28Theo Von?

  I'd really get choked out because then at least you're gonna go, you're gonna.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  No, that's like a slower, that's a slower like death. I'd rather just get knocked out because then you're just knocked out. You don't have to like, oh, it's happening. You know, it's like, oh, shit, it happened.

• 1:16:41Theo Von?

  Hmm. I haven't thought about, I actually have thought about it. Yeah, I'd rather just get choked out and then come back and like, what, where was I, you know?

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:50Theo Von?

  Who am I or whatever?

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:52Theo Von?

  Um, and they just had, and this, they had the teams that were walking out on the anthem the other night.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Ah, yeah.

• 1:16:59Theo Von?

  How do you feel about that? Or do you have any thoughts on it? Or is it even?

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  I mean, you know who you're talking to. Of course I have thoughts on it.

• 1:17:05Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's a good, obviously, I wasn't even asking you. Of course, I knew.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  And I think the majority of people know my thoughts, but I will say, like, this is. Like this has been happening throughout the whole season.

• 1:17:17Theo Von?

  Oh, it has.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. So this isn't like anything new. People are just kind of like getting mad about it now, but it's it's happened the whole season. So um, I don't know, like I, I don't know. I just feel like personally I have

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  a lot of, I'm grateful and I support the people who serve. Um, we have family members who have served and you know, they're over there doing things that are imaginable for us to be out here, living our dreams and having the freedoms that we live. And so anytime that I can shout out our veterans and the, the people who are currently, you know, fighting for us to, to live in the best country.

• 1:17:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Um, you know, I'm going to show that support and I'm going to give them love. And so, uh, that's where I stand. Um, that doesn't mean that's where everyone stands. And if it's right, wrong, whatever, but um, no, I take a lot of pride of where I come from and I'm, I'm, I'm proud to be an American citizen.

• 1:18:04Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel. It's like, what do you mean? The least I can do is somebody's over there doing something. I can have a moment of peace or respect.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Theo Von?

  Or prayer, a moment to think about them.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:18:13Theo Von?

  And not to think about myself.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:15Theo Von?

  It's not even about like what I need or any of my feelings or whatever. For me, I totally, it's like the one time where you had to be good.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Theo Von?

  Or like have a moment where you're like, okay, this isn't about me.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  I need 20 seconds of your best behavior.

• 1:18:28Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Do it. Like.

• 1:18:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's how I, I mean, I definitely feel that. I- is there a lot of pressure in the league to do that to like for those kind of what like that kind of stuff to take stands? Or do you guys do that kind of stuff or talk about it as a team?

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, I think that's like something that the WNBA is kind of known for is like, we um, we stand for a lot of things. Um, and again, we have a lot of women in this league and that doesn't mean we're all going to agree. And we're, it's not like we're all aligned on some of those things.

• 1:18:57Theo Von?

  Oh, you guys have, the diversity in there is insane. We think about it. Y'all got mothers.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Theo Von?

  Y'all got stepmothers in there.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:03Theo Von?

  Nobody even thinks about the stepmothers union in the W, right?

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  Valid.

• 1:19:08Theo Von?

  Y'all got studs, y'all got ballers.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:10Theo Von?

  Y'all got women that can dunk, which also should be a special group of women that should meet every now and then, just to discuss what's going on amongst them. Cause that's a rare group, right?

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I think we need more like unifying than more groups.

• 1:19:23Theo Von?

  Oh, I see what you're saying.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  But I get where you're, I get where you're coming from.

• 1:19:26Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  But like, I think we need more unifying.

• 1:19:30Theo Von?

  Yeah. But then there is also this thing that makes it like you, like it does feel something like you're saying, this team probably don't like this team, you know?

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  But I think that's healthy.

• 1:19:39Theo Von?

  I agree too.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  That is what sports is.

• 1:19:41Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Like, tell me, tell me.

• 1:19:43Theo Von?

  I agree. When you see all the players are best friends, it definitely is kind of like, ah.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Okay. But like in college, SEC, that's where I went to school, like not, do you think that Missouri loved every team and every player that we played against?

• 1:19:54Theo Von?

  No.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  Okay. Now take it to the men. Do you think all the men? Like, no, like we don't, like, why are we such, why do we have to be an outlier? Like, it's okay to be a female and compete and

• 1:20:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  have rivalries and it's like, it's okay. That's what sports is.

• 1:20:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  That's what we signed up for.

• 1:20:10Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  So I just, I don't get that.

• 1:20:11Theo Von?

  I agree. Dude, I kind of wish that every, every team was their own state team and then the states all play each other.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  That'd be badass.

• 1:20:17Theo Von?

  It'd be so badass.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:20:19Theo Von?

  I feel like that there's a new possibility for maybe like a, like, I know they've tried with like the UFL for football or, but I feel like, I don't know, you would just have so much more pride. I mean, there is a lot of pride with certain areas and their teams.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I do think like when you're good, like the state, regardless of where you're at, rallies around that good team.

• 1:20:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  And like on, on any sport, like that's just natural. But I think in order to, I don't know, when there, when there's rivalry and there's stuff on the line, you just get like, the fans are rowdier, we're rowdier. Like, I just think that's fun entertainment. At the end of the day, we're in an entertainment business. Like, I don't know.

• 1:20:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  I think it's part of it.

• 1:20:57Theo Von?

  When you're out on the court, is there a lot of studs out there hollering at you or what?

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  Like, like, and the fans?

• 1:21:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Like, or fans hollering at me?

• 1:21:04Theo Von?

  Is there like a lot of lesbian women trying to flirt or anything like that? Does that happen?

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't, I don't, here we go again.

• 1:21:10Theo Von?

  Oh, sorry. I keep going down this road. I just feel, for some reason, I feel like it's like.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  I'm playing a game. I don't know who's yelling at me.

• 1:21:16Theo Von?

  I feel like it's like a lot of girls would be like, hey, let me get your number after the game or something like that. Is there energy like that ever?

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean, yeah, but like it's also.

• 1:21:26Theo Von?

  So that happens in the game sometimes?

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, I'm talking about like before and like after and stuff like that.

• 1:21:31Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  But like in the game, like I promise you, you don't hear people yelling. Like you're that locked in. Like it's like, it's, I don't hear the crowd.

• 1:21:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:21:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Like you can tell the volume if like it's loud or if it's quiet, but you can't hear individual people.

• 1:21:44Theo Von?

  Yeah. I see what you're saying. But yeah, I'm thinking if there's like a girl flirting with you on the court, like let me cross you up and then uncross you, you know?

• 1:21:53Theo Von?

  Or something. Is that crazy to say? I gotta get some help.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  It's a great pickup line. Honestly, like, yeah, it is. But uh, no, no one's ever used that on me. So.

• 1:22:01Theo Von?

  Okay. Well.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  What'd you say? Let me, I'm going to cross you up and then uncross you?

• 1:22:06Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah. Is that good?

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 1:22:09Theo Von?

  I should have been a fricking lesbian. Dude, they said I had the fucking heart of a lesbian when I was a child. Bring up that clip. Can you bring that up? This is true. There's a clip about it. Our doctor said it. You know, I was born with a rare body style. You know, the doctors, when I said, when I was born, some of the doctors said I had the rib cage of a large cat. And some of the doctors said I had the heart of a lesbian. Praise God. That, you know, I had that real, that ticker that wants to, you know, just be naughty and sometimes do something idiot. I didn't know it said all that at the end, but you know what it is. Um, anyway, rough transition here, but uh,

• 1:22:51Theo Von?

  let's talk about uh, your faith. You got baptized as a, as an adult, right?

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  I'm going to bring you to church with me.

• 1:22:59Theo Von?

  Dude, what church do you go, what church do you go to?

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I, because of my lifestyle, I don't have.

• 1:23:03Theo Von?

  It's hard to go sometimes?

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Well, I just don't have like a home, home church.

• 1:23:06Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  But like, I'm just like, I was raised Catholic, but now I'm just like more Christian. Um, so I can never say this word, non-denominational, just said it. Um, and so like, yeah, I just, I, I love Jesus and I've actually listened to you a little bit that you're starting to kind of maybe get into it or intrigued by it a little bit.

• 1:23:25Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Or maybe that was just you not actually, I don't know, but it's okay. But all I'm saying is I, I rely a lot on my faith because of what I do for a living. You get a lot of hate, you get a lot of praise. And I think that just like morally in my head, everything like it just keeps me stable and it keeps me to be who I am. Like I don't care what people's opinions are about me.

• 1:23:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  Because I'm not living for their praise. So, yeah.

• 1:23:51Theo Von?

  Yeah. The part that I like the most or sometimes right now in my life is just like prayer, connection with God. But then sometimes it's like, I'll get too busy and it gets like disconnected. And then I feel scared, almost get a little bit like, ah.

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  Well, don't be scared. Why would you be scared?

• 1:24:04Theo Von?

  Scared, but I, I don't know why I said scared, but I get like, ah, I wish I had, I wish my connection was stronger right now. That's what I get like. Like I, you know, it's like, um, it's like if you charge your phone, but then you see it getting low, but you feel like dang.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Dude, I feel you. Like you need someone to, to feel, but there's nothing, I'm just going to say this and this for other people listening too, but there's nothing that you can or can't do that's going to separate you from God's love and grace and forgiveness. Like that's why Jesus came and died on the cross because he already knew everything you were going to do. So like, I mean, that's up to you now to like, kind of educate yourself and read the Bible of like good, bad, how are you going to represent? But like, you're already forgiven. So like.

• 1:24:43Theo Von?

  No, I think I understand that.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  You get what I'm saying?

• 1:24:45Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  And like you probably feel better when you are.

• 1:24:48Theo Von?

  Right. If you just.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  When you are praying and you are, oh yeah, I mean, yeah.

• 1:24:51Theo Von?

  Yeah. But I just feel, I just feel more of a like personal connection when it's like, um, I'm prayed up.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:58Theo Von?

  My buddy says, stay prayed up.

• 1:25:01Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 1:25:02Theo Von?

  He say that all the time. Stay prayed up. It's almost like if you talk to somebody around them, then you don't have to catch up with them.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Well, that's a thousand percent what it is.

• 1:25:09Theo Von?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, a hundred percent.

• 1:25:10Theo Von?

  So it's like, but sometimes I'll get like, yeah, I'll just, yeah, I'll just get honestly busy.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  I mean, that, but that's, that's natural. That's what it is to be human. You just gotta prioritize the, the good.

• 1:25:20Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like, I feel like sometimes the media doesn't, it, it feels like it's, the media is unfair to Christians. You ever feel like that?

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, it's all, all how you perceive it and your perspective on things, but I do love that there's more and more people coming out that they are Christians and that they are believers. And um, I feel like there's a revival happening and um, I, I love when people um, have the confidence to be their true selves and uh, to represent something bigger than them. Um, and sometimes it can be scary of, you know, you never know how people are going to take that because people have, you know, bad experiences with the church or, uh, really with the church or religious people. And that's not really what it is. And so when you see people coming out, athletes, you know, it's kind of my realm. And you see more and more people who have a huge platform, have a lot of eyes and ears looking at them. Um, it's cool to see them be able to be bold and courageous and come out about Jesus.

• 1:26:13Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is. I think a lot of you, I, you know what I do notice? You see a lot of it amongst athletes. There's a lot of faith in the athlete, in the athlete community. Do you think that that's real? Or do you think that that's posturing sometimes? And I guess maybe does it even matter? But I just thought about it. It's like the more like, more athletes that I've gotten to know, probably in the past four years, I've known more than ever in my whole life.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:33Theo Von?

  And it does seem like there's a lot more faith-based energy in their world.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:26:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Do you think like coming from like, is this like a comedian, like the comedian world, you don't see it as much? Or you're just like the, cause you're kind of in a different.

• 1:26:46Theo Von?

  Yeah. Comedians, I think you don't see it as much.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  You get what I'm saying?

• 1:26:48Theo Von?

  They're just questioning everything and they're like, you know, a lot of them probably.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  Which I don't think that's a bad thing. Like I don't think questioning and asking the why is bad either.

• 1:26:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  But no, I, I don't know. I think this is all I know. Like I'm, I've only ever been an athlete. So like I've, there are athletes who aren't and that's totally okay. And um, you know, it is what it is. That's, that's their walk. But I know the majority of people that I'm around and who I know, um, they are faith-based.

• 1:27:13Theo Von?

  Oh yeah. I mean, I find more and more of my friends are these days.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:16Theo Von?

  Or trying to. And that's really the biggest thing is just trying to have a relationship.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:19Theo Von?

  Trying to learn about it. We want to have some more uh, religious figures on to talk about stuff on here. It's pretty fun.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  You should. And like people who love history, love science, like talk to these people who are like, I, I don't know. They're just um, experts when it comes to uh, the Bible and that's what they do for a living. And so people are like, oh, well, history and science, it doesn't mix. So actually all pretty much top scientists, they figured out that Jesus did live and he is real. And so you should have them on because I think it'd be a fascinating conversation. And I think you would ask some great questions.

• 1:27:52Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, we want to have that. Yeah, yeah. Thanks. And yeah, we want to have the Pope on, but he won't. I don't even know if he has a phone.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  I mean, someone has a phone around there. They're not the Amish. And even the Amish have phones.

• 1:28:06Theo Von?

  There is a kid that does. Amish Timothy is coming back on.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:28:09Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  Did you know that people in prison have phones now? I didn't know this. I just found this out last week.

• 1:28:14Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think they're Drusky fans. But yeah, a lot of them are. But dude, maybe the Pope, he'd send him some of those smoke signals. He'd even hit us back, dude.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  Ah, maybe. You should start with that if you get him on.

• 1:28:26Theo Von?

  That'd be good.

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  Gosh.

• 1:28:28Theo Von?

  Uh, what about off the court? So what's your life like off the court? Are you engaged? Are you, what's going on? Are you going on Love Island?

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  No, why would I go on Love Island?

• 1:28:37Theo Von?

  I heard a rumor that you were.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  No, I literally like, I am someone who actually like, am trying to, um, I was not always like this. Like, I feel like I was one foot in, one foot out with my faith. And now that I'm like two feet in, I'm not, I'm trying to not live that life.

• 1:28:52Theo Von?

  What is that like being in a relationship, you mean?

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  Um, no, the Love Island.

• 1:28:56Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Theo Von?

  It's kind of ra- yeah.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  A little reckless.

• 1:29:00Theo Von?

  Well, also, the island doesn't seem like it has any love on it.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:29:05Theo Von?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, but some people, but people love, love watching that. I've literally never, I've seen one episode and I felt like my brain cells were dying, so I stopped.

• 1:29:13Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Like, I need all the brain cells I can get, you know?

• 1:29:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Got to protect them.

• 1:29:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:18Theo Von?

  Um, is it ever a common thing in the W where women will like, kind of, where they want to have a family? Does that become a tough thing that some women start to balance? Do you hear about that?

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And I think that's like a more and more thing. And, um, typically, you know, it's, it's people, it's doable. Like, you can be pregnant, go have your baby and come back. Now it's hard on your body. There are, people have done it. Um, a lot of people, um, that were my teammates, this is strictly my experience and like teach their own on this, but their wives are typically the carriers. And so they-

• 1:29:52Theo Von?

  So the wife had the-

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  Has, yeah, has the baby.

• 1:29:55Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they're, they're not the ones having the baby.

• 1:29:58Theo Von?

  Okay, so they don't have the baby, the wife had the baby?

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah.

• 1:30:01Theo Von?

  Okay. And hold on a second. They don't have the baby. The wife has the baby. So the wife carries the baby?

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:08Theo Von?

  So this, and the semen or whatever, they buy it from somewhere?

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. But, but I think like now, this could be totally wrong, but I think now like you can, I mean, no, I know I'm right on this. You can have your partner carry your egg.

• 1:30:21Theo Von?

  Oh, like the assist or whatever?

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:24Theo Von?

  Like the greatest-

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  I mean, if we're talking basketball terms, yeah, the assist.

• 1:30:26Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they, they go and dunk it, you know?

• 1:30:29Theo Von?

  Like the greatest assist or whatever?

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or surrogate. But like, if you don't know balls, you don't know balls.

• 1:30:35Theo Von?

  The surrogates could be a good WNBA name.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:41Theo Von?

  If there were like an expansion team?

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're, you're on a roll. So we got the licks and the surrogates.

• 1:30:46Theo Von?

  I'm just, I'm just brainstorming something.

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  No, I like this. I don't think any idea is a bad idea.

• 1:30:51Theo Von?

  Yeah. Oh, I could see it. I could see it a little bit. Yeah, because I just wonder like, yeah, just something that, I like expansion. You got to freshen the league up, you know? I mean, how many times can you have young MA play at the halftime show? You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to, you got to freshen the league up.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  You got to. You gotta.

• 1:31:08Theo Von?

  We got to-

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  The tides are changing, you know?

• 1:31:10Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  You got to continue to grow with it.

• 1:31:11Theo Von?

  We got to try new stuff. Um, is there any women that you know of that ever, have ever played pregnant in the league? And are they allowed to play pregnant in the league?

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  Uh, yes. Actually, um, I, I think one of my teammates was, like, if I'm, I know she was. I just don't know how far along. Cause I think that's like, is it, I don't know, I don't know. I've never had a kid in my life, but I feel like you'd have to tell your doctors you're pregnant, right? And like-

• 1:31:41Theo Von?

  You could hide it. You could wear like a cummerbund or whatever.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Well, I know, but I feel like once, once the player tells like the team doc or like the team trainers that you're pregnant.

• 1:31:48Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Then like, it's there, they have to be like, okay, at this time, you should probably not play. You know what I mean? But I feel like you could play up to like, three, four months. I don't know. Do you guys know?

• 1:32:01Theo Von?

  I don't know, cause I don't-

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  But people have definitely played pregnant. Like, she's not the only one. There's like, there's been multiple people who, but then you kind of see them taking, like, once they find out, I guess.

• 1:32:10Theo Von?

  Just shooting three pointers or whatever?

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  No, they, they don't play that season. Like, they, they sit out.

• 1:32:15Theo Von?

  Oh, they take a season off?

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:16Theo Von?

  So is that a part of this is their baby season or whatever?

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Um, I mean-

• 1:32:19Theo Von?

  Is like a term for that?

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  I don't know. I, I literally don't know. I should probably know more. But I will say like, back when I first started, like five-ish years ago, like, it didn't, you could not be pregnant and play. Like they, you kind of get, I don't want to say in trouble, but yes, you want to get your salary. But now in our new CBA, now you receive a hundred percent of our base salary.

• 1:32:43Theo Von?

  Wow. So, but, but before you couldn't, you had to, it was like pay or, it was like player pay?

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  Well, you actually looked that up because I'm pretty sure that like we, there was, it was like a bad thing. We're like, we weren't allowed to be pregnant and play. Like, you kind of had to pick and choose what you wanted to do.

• 1:32:58Theo Von?

  WNBA players now receive a hundred percent of their base salary while on maternity leave. That's currently.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:03Theo Von?

  Let me see before that.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:06Theo Von?

  Under older WNBA collective bargaining agreements and historical team practices, pregnancy was frequently treated similar to an injury, illness, or contractual impairment.

• 1:33:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, like you could get cut.

• 1:33:15Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  Which that's like actually insane, right?

• 1:33:19Theo Von?

  Yeah. I mean, yes, it is. Looking at it through the eyes of now.

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  Now.

• 1:33:26Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  But even-

• 1:33:27Theo Von?

  But then it's like, if you're, it's like, yeah, you would think they would keep you on, but I think who knows if there was enough money and, you know what I'm saying? In the end, it's unfortunate that so many things come down to money when you're involved in a business, right?

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:33:39Theo Von?

  If it's just a group of women traveling around playing basketball.

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:42Theo Von?

  For the, completely for the love of the game.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:45Theo Von?

  And gestating together or having a child or some, one of them has a child.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Theo Von?

  Then yeah, you don't, they're, they're-

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  But you would, you would think of though, like as a, if you're like trying, no, but like if you're trying to like promote women and like, everyone's like, oh, we support you. Equality, like all that, then-

• 1:34:04Theo Von?

  And then the second quiche is knocked up, we're fucking letting her hit this-

• 1:34:07Speaker 01

  Psych, you're cut, bitch. Like, what?

• 1:34:09Theo Von?

  This is true.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  So you're, you're, you, yeah, that makes no sense to me. So I'm glad we fixed that. Good job.

• 1:34:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  That was good.

• 1:34:15Theo Von?

  The, the one thing we're learning today, it's one step at a time. So it'd be kind of a hand.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like it.

• 1:34:19Theo Von?

  That's one thing we're learning. Um, where, like, if, say, if, say a man in the world, where does a man meet Sophie Cunningham these days? Cause there's a lot of young men out there that are, you know, not even loiterers, good men probably, you know? Do guys feel like, do you, like, do guys hit on your, your DMs or is it just something like you meet a man in his regular life? Like, could you meet a man at like a gas station or like a Petco or anywhere? Or like anywhere? I'm just thinking of places out loud.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, is Petco a thing? Still?

• 1:34:48Theo Von?

  Are they? Yeah. They have one of the largest hamsters. They own one of the largest hamster reserves in America.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  You kind of remind me of a hamster.

• 1:34:55Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:57Theo Von?

  My first job was selling hamsters.

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:34:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  Well, I'm sure you did a really good job with that. Um, I don't really know. Like I-

• 1:35:04Theo Von?

  It was okay.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Oh, you didn't do a great job?

• 1:35:06Theo Von?

  I sold, we sold them outside of raves. I did all right. But do basketball players mostly date other basketball players? Is that the biggest thing amongst the straight players in y'all's league?

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  Um, I think, I don't know about basketball players, but like typically athletes, like I'm, we're tall, like we're-

• 1:35:22Theo Von?

  Right. You have to, yeah, you can't hug somebody and have them not show up for it.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess, but like you, I don't know.

• 1:35:31Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  I don't know about other, I just don't care enough to know about other people's dating life. And I know like, athletes are hard though. Like, we're hard. Like, our, our schedule sucks. Um, you're always on the road, but like, male athletes are scary. Like, they just, they're scary.

• 1:35:47Theo Von?

  Are they?

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  I mean, they, they have so much money. They have, they're, anything's accessible. And like, you, you know what I mean? Like, that's kind of scary.

• 1:35:54Theo Von?

  Yeah. It can be dangerous.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  Dangerous. There you go. Like, like if you're not mature enough to handle all of that, it could be scary.

• 1:36:01Theo Von?

  It could be fun. It could be dangerous.

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm sure it is fun.

• 1:36:05Theo Von?

  Until it's not.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  Exactly. But honestly, that's in the industry. Think about it. Doctors, comedians.

• 1:36:13Theo Von?

  Yeah. And NBA athlete is a very insider industry right there. Is that what you're saying?

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying.

• 1:36:21Theo Von?

  I don't know what we're talking about anymore. Your podcast is No Hesey.

• 1:36:26Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:26Theo Von?

  And that's out now. You can find it on everywhere. And it's with Sophie Cunningham and Drew Hanlon. And, uh, congratulations.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  Thanks, man. It's new. I think we're on like week five or six and it's been fun. We're trying to figure it out. So.

• 1:36:39Theo Von?

  Nice.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:40Theo Von?

  Do you have big plans for the off season? Is there something specific you're going to do or learn a skill? I know that, um, one of your players, I know that Kelsey Mitchell just finished school. Was she-

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's like getting her PhD.

• 1:36:51Theo Von?

  I know.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  She was doing it during season. She's the best. She's simply the best.

• 1:36:54Theo Von?

  She's so great.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  Um, no, I'm not going back to school. Um, I don't know what I'm doing this off season. I'm kind of just like, having fun doing Project B, which like, we're going to different countries, going to explore that and-

• 1:37:06Theo Von?

  Oh, you are? So you're going to be traveling with that?

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. So like, it's like, you play 10 days and then you're off the rest of the month. So that's kind of awesome.

• 1:37:11Theo Von?

  You're going to be doing that league?

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:12Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't even realize that.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, Project B. So like-

• 1:37:14Theo Von?

  Where are you guys going to be playing?

• 1:37:16Speaker 01

  We'll be, um, over in China, Singapore, Spain, Germany. I think that's it. I think it's only four countries.

• 1:37:23Theo Von?

  Poland too? Are you going to Poland?

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  No, not Poland.

• 1:37:26Theo Von?

  Dang.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  But yeah, so I'll be doing that. But otherwise, just kicking it, hanging out.

• 1:37:29Theo Von?

  Excellent. Uh, all right. Sophie Cunningham, thank you so much.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Thank you. This was a blast.

• 1:37:34Theo Von?

  Was it?

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  It was fun. I really enjoyed this.

• 1:37:36Theo Von?

  Oh, good.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's my speed, my brain speed.

• 1:37:40Theo Von?

  Okay, good.