109: Exploring Self-Worth Beyond Achievements with Lucy Davis

Lucy Davis is back for her third podcast appearance, where we discuss the importance of balance between high-performance living and mental health. We explore Lucy's love for Texas and her experiences at the Austin Marathon. We also tackle the challenges and insights gained from balancing intense physical goals, business endeavors, and personal mental health. This episode highlights the importance of being present, letting go of external validations, and the empowering shift to self-awareness and vulnerability. Lucy shares her journey of navigating life changes, redefining goals, and the transformative impact of aligning actions with core values and purpose. CHAPTERS: 00:23 Love for Texas 02:40 Austin Marathon Excitement 05:03 Injury and Perseverance 06:25 Reflecting on Business Growth 08:27 Emotional Support and Relationships 12:02 Personal Growth and Self-Discovery 21:33 Balancing Ambition and Mental Health 31:11 Identity Beyond Fitness 37:30 Living in the Moment 39:07 Striving for Relaxation and Presence 41:12 Coping Mechanisms for Stress 46:01 Living a Little: Embracing Life's Moments 51:32 Commitment to Personal Growth 57:02 Mindset Shifts and Core Values 01:05:12 The Power of Vulnerability 01:07:27 Moving Forward Through Challenges 01:20:59 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans Become a BPN member FOR FREE - Unlock 20% off FOR LIFE https://www.bareperformancenutrition.com/pages/bpn-membership?srsltid=AfmBOorlpjVeag2kkt3eZ5UpWcFA5Bb2v5V_93lmO47Vn_Y8DRdLwDLL MENTIONS: BE 2.0 (Beyond Entrepreneurship 2.0): Turning Your Business into an Enduring Great Company by Jim Collins https://www.amazon.com/BE-2-0-Beyond-Entrepreneurship-Business/dp/0399564233 The Let Them Theory: A Life-Changing Tool That Millions of People Can't Stop Talking About by Mel Robbins https://shorturl.at/JCOSB FOLLOW: IG: instagram.com/nickbarefitness/ YT: youtube.com/@nickbarefitness LUCY DAVIS: IG: instagram.com/@lucydavis_fit/ YT: https://www.youtube.com/@LucyDavisFit

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Live a little, like life is so great. I'm so thankful for how hard I have worked and how hard I do work. But living a little to me is appreciating where I'm at right now, appreciating the incredible people that I have in my life, the amount of love that I have to give other people and they've got to give me. It's being present and content. But something I do need to work on is being presently there every single day when I wake up.

• 0:29Nick Bare?

  Sometimes it's not doing harder or doing more, but it's doing different. That is a game changer. I think if you commit to this and follow through, where you're at 10 years from now will be completely different mentally, physically, all the things. So I would like recognize this and commit to the change that you want to, to see.

• 0:55Nick Bare?

  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the podcast. I have Lucy Davis back for her third appearance.

• 1:04Speaker 00

  Third appearance.

• 1:05Nick Bare?

  On the pod.

• 1:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. You ever had three people on before?

• 1:09Nick Bare?

  It's, uh, there might be a few people, but it's like definitely less than four. You're one of them.

• 1:17Speaker 00

  Yes. Happy about that.

• 1:19Nick Bare?

  How's it feel to be back in the great state of Texas?

• 1:23Speaker 00

  It's one of my favorite places in the world. It really is. And people, a lot of people say, oh, you can travel to so many different places. And I, I am doing that. But a place that makes me really happy, I get to spend time with people that I love and appreciate. I will always be coming back here. When I say I land off the plane and I just glow differently, I just feel very content here is probably the best way that I can put it. And I am back multiple times for the rest of the year as well. But no, I absolutely love being back. We didn't bring the weather. I'm not going to hold it against you, but it is absolutely freezing.

• 2:04Nick Bare?

  It is freezing.

• 2:04Speaker 00

  It is freezing. I'm not, I'm not, I didn't bring winter weather clothes. So I've worn this pretty much every single day that I've been here.

• 2:13Nick Bare?

  Well, it feels like every time we have a race, the past couple of weeks here in Texas, like this massive cold front comes in. But I, I've always had this feeling.

• 2:26Nick Bare?

  When I have always flown back into Texas, Austin specifically, there is something about the Austin, Texas airport that makes me feel so welcomed and comfortable. It's like the perfect size. It's not too big. It's not too small. It's really easy to get an Uber or to your car, get in and out. But I always feel just like really good coming back to Austin, Texas.

• 2:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51Nick Bare?

  You feel that?

• 2:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I can relate. It's it's not it's not a complex airport at all. It's literally, you get your bag, you go through, and then you're there, your taxi's there. And also, it's only 10 minutes ish from where I'm staying. So it's not like an hour long journey. I get here, I see people. Jet lag didn't even hit me really at all this time.

• 3:10Nick Bare?

  That's good.

• 3:10Speaker 00

  I think, yeah, I just, I wake up half four, five o'clock anyway. So it almost worked in my favor for the first couple of days, but then I've just naturally still been getting up at half four, five, because I like having the longest days here. I want to get up early. I want to get my run done. I want to be out there. I want to be with people. So yeah, the jet lag completely was absolutely fine this time.

• 3:36Nick Bare?

  Well, I'm excited for you to experience the Austin Marathon.

• 3:40Speaker 00

  I can't wait.

• 3:41Nick Bare?

  I'm a little biased because one is my first marathon ever. And it's in our, it's in our backyard. But the energy of the Austin, Texas Marathon is unlike anything else I have experienced. And when I say like, energy, you know, you go to some of these marathons, and there's people holding signs, and it's it's more like goofy energy. This is like committed energy.

• 4:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:09Nick Bare?

  This is a city that's filled with people who love fitness, who live the lifestyle, lots of runners, lots of endurance athletes. But everything from the start line to the finish at this marathon is just good vibes.

• 4:26Speaker 00

  I I could not be more excited because a lot of people are like, oh, like, what time are you going for? I was like, no, no, I'm doing this marathon for the energy, for the vibes. It's not like I'm not in a marathon block. I have always wanted to do Austin Marathon. Obviously, BPN sponsors this year and it makes so much sense. I think me and Luke are gonna run it together and we're just gonna have a great time. We're there to kind of support other people when we're running it. I know it's also very hilly, so I'll get some hill training in there whilst I'm doing it. But I'm, not every single race that I'm doing has to be, okay, go for a sub three or do that. No, no, I'm going out there for the energy, for the vibes of the race and to

• 5:09Speaker 00

  actually just take a step back and enjoy it and be around people and support other people who maybe are going for a time. But for me, for this one, it's enjoy it, be with the people you love and have the best time doing it.

• 5:23Nick Bare?

  Yeah, I approach races two different ways. One, it is a full send. I put in a huge prep.

• 5:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:32Nick Bare?

  I am dialed. I don't, I don't see the course. I don't see the people. I'm just focused on every intention of each mile. That's like one full extreme. There's nothing really in the middle. The other extreme is just having fun, feeling and embracing the experience, being there for the people. So it's either one or the other. Unfortunately, I can't run this weekend because I'm dealing with some Achilles issues. I never get injured. You know, all these, of all these fitness preps I've ever done, there's always something, as you know, something flares up.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:13Nick Bare?

  Things hurt.

• 6:14Speaker 00

  Naturally.

• 6:15Nick Bare?

  Uncomfortable and you can just train through them.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 6:19Nick Bare?

  This is the first time in a long time I can't train through an injury. My fear is that if I do try to train through it, I'm gonna end up tearing or rupturing my Achilles and then I'm out for a year plus. That's the last thing I want. So I am pretty bummed that I can't run the shakeout tomorrow, which is Friday, and then the race Sunday. But it's still gonna be a great time.

• 6:44Speaker 00

  Oh, it, it's gonna be the best time. I think that's where with injury and there is a difference between, oh, I've got a slight pain and, oh, no, no, no, if I push through this, I'm actually gonna injure myself and put myself out for the whole year. But you still get to be a part of it and amongst it. And I think it's super cool at BPN. Is this the first year they're the main? Main sponsor.

• 7:08Nick Bare?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Speaker 00

  Of it. I was really big from like a business perspective as well, though.

• 7:12Nick Bare?

  This is huge.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  Looking at a different, okay, not running it and things, but from a business perspective, that is so exciting.

• 7:20Nick Bare?

  It's huge. I mean, like, it's still, it is still very surreal for me. Two thousand and eighteen was my first marathon ever. It was the Austin Marathon. And that was such a pivotal point in my life, but also for this brand's future and trajectory. If I didn't run that marathon in two thousand and eighteen, I don't know where I would be and where this brand would be today. That was like where I got the itch. And then from there was another marathon, then Ironmans and ultras and going after sub three. My first sub three attempt was actually the Austin Marathon in two thousand and twenty one, which I missed by twenty four minutes. Huge miss. So trained for the year, came back.

• 8:05Nick Bare?

  But this weekend, I think this is the first year the Austin Marathon is ever sold out.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  Wow, that's big.

• 8:13Nick Bare?

  There's over twenty two thousand runners, all of them fueled by BPN products on course. Go gels and electrolytes, the only nutrition source on course.

• 8:24Speaker 00

  That's really, and usually it's not, I think when I've done a lot of marathons, there's usually like five different brands.

• 8:30Nick Bare?

  Right.

• 8:30Speaker 00

  Or there's, you know, you've got multiple hydration things and then electrolytes and then you've got ten different bars. So just to have one, that's really special. That's, yeah, I'm excited about that. It's very cool to be a part of.

• 8:45Nick Bare?

  Honestly, like, that's why I'm not that upset that I'm not running.

• 8:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:51Nick Bare?

  Because I want to be there for the the community. I don't want to miss any part of it.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:57Nick Bare?

  I just want to be able to sit back and take it all in. And just witness all the hard work that's gone in to not just this race, but the last decade of building, not by myself, but with a team and other people. And this weekend's going to be a really.

• 9:19Nick Bare?

  Pivotal moment of of our history as a brand.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  Does that, does it make you feel emotional at all? You know, you think about, I don't know why, cause like I've I've I kind of say I've been with BPM for the last year, cause I think of the Speed Project and that's almost when it hit off. I know it was October, but it does feel like so much longer for me.

• 9:39Nick Bare?

  It's crazy to think that the Speed Project was almost a year ago.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:42Nick Bare?

  I know.

• 9:42Speaker 00

  Me and Jordan were speaking about it. I mean, like the first conversations we had, the first time I really spoke with like BPM was last February. And that's where you are now. And I can't, I was like, it's it's been like a year since that. And when you speak about the brand, cause I'd obviously, I understand the history of it and where you've come from and just from knowing you. But it even makes me feel emotional because it's like a level of proudness of, oh my God, this is actually, and I know how hard it is, I think for like a business perspective to, I guess, like, look from an outside perspective and look in. Yeah, I was just, does it make you like feel emotional or is it just?

• 10:22Nick Bare?

  I know, it's it's all the emotions.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:26Nick Bare?

  I in in a way of,

• 10:30Nick Bare?

  you know, this is gonna be a a big moment for us. And not to say that we've made it, but to say that we're doing it.

• 10:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:41Nick Bare?

  Like, we're doing what we said we'd always do. And I think back to, like, those moments, I can picture myself right now in my college apartment, what that, what that apartment looked like, where I was sitting, the laptop I was working on, the website we had at the time, like where I was packing orders out of, my bed, like all the things, my my printer.

• 11:05Nick Bare?

  That apartment, I can visualize every little component of it.

• 11:12Nick Bare?

  And thinking back to where we started then.

• 11:17Nick Bare?

  And where we're at now, thirteen years later.

• 11:21Nick Bare?

  Two thousand twenty five is gonna be a really meaningful year for us. One.

• 11:28Nick Bare?

  Being the the main nutrition sponsor of the Austin Marathon. That's that's part of it. But then in. Two months, we're moving into our new HQ. A seventy six thousand square foot facility.

• 11:42Speaker 00

  That's so exciting.

• 11:42Nick Bare?

  Have you toured it yet?

• 11:43Speaker 00

  No.

• 11:44Nick Bare?

  Oh, I can't. I'll show you.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:45Nick Bare?

  I'll show you. I can't wait to show you. It's right around the corner.

• 11:50Nick Bare?

  But if you would have.

• 11:52Nick Bare?

  Shown me. You know, twenty two year old Nick Bear. When I was just getting started. Where we would be in two thousand twenty five. I would have said, there's no way.

• 12:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:03Nick Bare?

  There's no way. But it's just been a lot of consistent, hard work. Choosing the hard right of the easy wrong. And honestly, like if I have to. Pin it down to one thing. It's been aligning with the right people. Building with the right people.

• 12:24Nick Bare?

  And that makes the biggest difference. Just having the the the right people in the right seats on your team. To help build with you.

• 12:33Nick Bare?

  Because there's no way I could have got here by myself.

• 12:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:35Nick Bare?

  It's been with the help of a lot of other people, but yeah, it's an emotional.

• 12:40Nick Bare?

  It's an emotional experience for sure.

• 12:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like that with anything, isn't it? Even your when you're going through the most difficult times. You really recognize who who is there for you. And it's almost not necessarily at your worst. But at your worst, like we all go through periods. I even know like the past three months, like last year. I was I was good. I was OK. I was happy. I was not my best self because I was burying a lot of emotions. And almost put myself so far into like work and competing. And not dealing with things that I knew I had to deal with, but I wasn't quite ready to deal with it. And the people who were there for me at that time.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  Business wise, like my team, but also my friends and family and you really recognize in your weaker times and your more vulnerable times where you're not a hundred percent. Who is there for you and then you come out the other side. And I feel great. I'm still dealing with things, but I'm really happy and it's all and the same people are there. That's when you know you've got your people and sometimes you lose them along the way and that's absolutely fine. But yeah, you go through pivotal points, whether it is divorce or having children. Getting married, starting a business, your business goes to shit, whatever it is. The people who are there for you in the times of the suck.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  Are very, very important to me now, like I appreciate it. More than I can even tell some people like how they have been so incredible over the past couple of months. And I can give that back to them now because I haven't had the emotional capacity sometimes. To be able to give that last year, I struggled quite a lot with my emotions and I love giving. It's like my, it's like one of my favorite things about myself is putting on the people first. And I couldn't really do that last year and I really struggled with it. And people stuck by me and that I will carry that with me for the rest of my life, like those people. So like building the business and things that I've got. I know I've got really good people around me. So I enjoy listening to you say that, like thirteen years later.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  So in like five, six years' time, I can be like, oh, do you remember that time? That was really difficult. But you got through it with your people and I know I couldn't do it without people in my life. No way.

• 15:03Nick Bare?

  I struggled with that whole concept for a long time. Where I thought that when I first got started. The people I got started with. And, and when I say got started, this is can be applicable like to a bunch of different chapters in my life. But I just assumed that they were going to be with me indefinitely. Through the highs and lows and the hard times, the good times. And then when people started fading off, when times weren't as high any longer. And you thought that people were so loyal to you.

• 15:40Nick Bare?

  When things weren't going right, they were the quickest to jump ship.

• 15:45Nick Bare?

  And vice versa, sometimes when it was the hardest times, you had people who leaned in even more. But I've realized and learned, I've talked with Steph a lot about this, that there are people in your life who are going to be very close with you forever. There are people in your life where their relationships will kind of fade into the background, but they'll still always be there. Like you, you make a phone call, they always pick up. Then there's people who come in for seasons and chapters of your life and

• 16:17Nick Bare?

  you might be best friends, you might be very close, you might share every part of your life with them.

• 16:23Nick Bare?

  And you just assume that they are going to be a lifelong partner with you forever. And then

• 16:30Nick Bare?

  next year you realize you're not talking to that person at all. But they were in for a very instrumental and important chapter or season in your life. But you might not ever talk to them again, and you're gonna have more relationships like that in the future. There are people who come and go. There's people who stay. Through thick and thin, but that's just part of life. That's part of building relationships. It's the hard part about maintaining relationships.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then you can only learn from it through experience of those different friendships and those different relationships. Like I'm 28 and I'm only just kind of realizing it now. And it's hard. Sometimes the seasonal ones, like that's what you call that. I like referring it to that. It makes sense. Yeah, you have friends for like different reasons or relationships for different reasons. And I was speaking to someone about it last night at dinner. Saying, and I was asked, do you regret anything that's happened in your life? And I don't think I regret a single thing that has happened. And there's been some really hard times, really bad times.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  But if I didn't do those things, if I didn't experience the bad, the good, the negatives, whatever it is, I categorically would not be the person I am today because from the hardest times, from the times that I thought I've not been able to get through it, or I've been at my lowest of my lows, you learn more about yourself in those areas of your life than you do the positives. The positives are great. We all want the positives. I'm a very optimistic person. I have learned more about myself probably in the past six months, especially my emotions and my self-awareness and who I am as a person, than I probably have my whole twenty eight years of life. And it's almost me recognizing that of, I don't regret

• 18:22Speaker 00

  a single thing that's happened. You shouldn't live with regrets. You can't look into the past because you can't change it. You can just change and control what you think moving forward. So I'm not going to be stuck thinking, oh, I could have done this, I should have done that. Yeah, there's probably loads of stuff I could have done, but I didn't. And at that time, I made that decision for a reason. And it was probably the best decision that I could have made at that point in time. Even right now, I think, oh, good God, I can't think about it. No, I don't regret it because I wouldn't have gone through the hardest times to get where I am today. And again, it's just something that I am still learning about myself and learn to be a bit more vulnerable and a little bit more aware of my emotions at the age of twenty eight. And it's just taken me a little bit more time.

• 19:06Nick Bare?

  It's just a constant learning lesson of life. And one thing I found in, I'll be thirty five this summer, which is even crazy to like, think or say, I'm gonna be thirty five with two young kids. I'm like, where did, how did I get here?

• 19:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. What happened?

• 19:28Nick Bare?

  It was a few months ago, I was hanging out with Fonz and Luke in French, and we were filming some videos, and we were working out, and it was a late night workout, we were feeling it, we were flexing and like filming it. And I got home and Steph was like, you do realize you're like, ten years older than these guys, you're still flexing in a mirror post-workout. So I still feel, when I'm with those guys, I feel like in my early twenties.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 19:55Nick Bare?

  They make me feel young. But what I have found is, as I've gotten older, with each incremental year,

• 20:04Nick Bare?

  That each incremental year is more dense in terms of a quality of wisdom that is gained and achieved.

• 20:16Nick Bare?

  So when I look back to when I was thirty, for example, the amount of insight and perspective and wisdom I was gaining in that year was less than what I am as a thirty four year old and will be as a thirty five year old. Because with more time comes more experience. And I'm not just living to live, but I'm living to grow and get better. I'm searching for that development. So I am pushing to do more, to accomplish more. And with that, there's, there's failure that accompanies it, but when you push, like you're, you're pushing beyond what you think or could be capable.

• 20:57Nick Bare?

  So with each additional incremental year, it's not just another year, it's another year to gain so much more quality wisdom.

• 21:07Speaker 00

  Well, that's one of the things that I've really been working on. And we kind of touched on it the other day when we briefly spoke in the gym. I always felt, because I always hadn't seen you in a while, and I almost opened up to you in a way of being, I have things that I didn't deal with, that I'm dealing with now. And one of my, this is so weird, because I always write my goals up every single year. And I'm a type of person, I have a fitness category, a race category, a business category, a personal.

• 21:35Speaker 00

  I, I'm very much a high achiever, and that is how my brain works. It, it just is. It's the growth mindset. It's looking into the future. It's what's next, next, next, it's next. That I have realized and almost taken a backseat of I'm constantly thinking about the future. That I forget being present is one of the most important things that I have not been doing. And yeah, I worry about the future. I'm not scared to admit that there's things that I worry about, like being a young business owner.

• 22:07Speaker 00

  I worry about other people and I think about them and I put them first. Whereas I've almost had a real reflection of, okay, okay Lucy, you've got all these incredible things happening, but one of the biggest goals, that is your scariest one, I hate to admit it, is you've, you've, you've got to work on your mental health. You've, you've got to do this, or I've been avoiding it, but I'm, I'm semi embarrassed to say or speak about that. I've just kind of been like, nope, I'll deal with you at a different point. You're not important. Now I've realised like my biggest goal for 2025 for this year. Yeah, I've got loads of races. I'm going after a world record. I'm going after world

• 22:51Speaker 00

  first. My biggest goal, the top priority is just putting, putting me first and working on, I think, things that I know I need to work on. I don't know why it makes me feel a little bit embarrassed to talk about because it shouldn't. I'm not embarrassed to talk about mental health and things like that. It's all, it's just, I'm very aware that I haven't done it. So it's kind of, it's recognising things about yourself, like every single week, every single day. Yeah. When I bumped in during the gym the other day, I was like, yeah, I'm, I'm pulling Berlin Marathon because I've got to work on my mental health. Like that sentence doesn't, I don't really, I don't identify with that person.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  I identify with the Lucy hardcore grit. So when I said that to you, I was like, oh.

• 23:41Nick Bare?

  Well, that's why I wanted to have you on the podcast.

• 23:43Speaker 00

  I know.

• 23:44Nick Bare?

  Because we need to talk about this and that's, let's hang out here for a little bit. Because

• 23:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:50Nick Bare?

  People who listen to this podcast have a very similar mindset, like you and me. We are very driven people. Type A, go, go, go.

• 24:03Nick Bare?

  And achieve at our own expense. The intent is never to like achieve at other people's expense, but I think we both are willing to sacrifice our own personal health to achieve and then help other people along the way. And it's like, well, Nick and Lucy, you like, you can take care of yourself later. Because what I have found through this whole journey, and I'm in a similar situation now, right now, where I'm trying to be very intentional with what I pursue and also recognizing the collateral damage that comes along with what I pursue. Because I can push really hard and I can bury myself into the ground and I can do that for a long time.

• 24:50Nick Bare?

  And I'm okay, or I should say, I used to be okay with it affecting me. But then when I realized it was affecting other people in my life, like people who I work with, my family, my kids, that was an eye opener for me of, okay, like, what am I trying to accomplish and why? Am I trying to accomplish more just to do more? Or am I trying to accomplish something that has really meaningful impact, but doesn't create this collateral damage around me? So let's hang out here for a little bit.

• 25:28Nick Bare?

  What does, what does a better mental health environment look like for you compared to where it is right now? And why you've decided to pull back from some of these races? Because you had a very aggressive race schedule going into 2025.

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Do you know what? It's still pretty aggressive and I've already competed four times this year. We're in February and I'm aware of that.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  And I think this is the point for me to say, I enjoy competing. I enjoy that environment. It makes me happy. I thrive off it. I like training for something. Like that is really important to me and I will always have that. And I do have a lot of goals coming up still this year. There's just the one thing that I struggle with and I always have is.

• 26:24Speaker 00

  I have become this like person who has quite a hard exterior. In terms of, oh, she does really cool things. She does hard things. Oh, she's got a business. Oh, she's, she's great. Like. I've identified with that and I've attached on to that. And that's also other people. Essentially validating that as well. Like we work so heavily on social media. There's a lot of people. Not that I need the validation, but they give it to me. They, they do, they give me that validation. So I'm like, oh, I am this person. Which I know I am deep into my core.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  But what's happened, I think over the past couple of months, where I've been through a real significant life change. I've, I've maintained that identity of you're, you're really hardcore. You can't be sad. You can't be vulnerable. You can't cry. You can't care about your emotions because you're this person. And that's what I did a lot last year. Even I, I think back to our podcast, I was probably in that mindset of like, I'm great. I was like, I almost like was masking it. I was competing back to back. I was traveling, working so much. Like I look back and I almost make myself feel stressed about how much I was doing. And.

• 27:39Speaker 00

  I. For me right now, with my headspace and where I'm at, is. Knowing that I am enough as a person for Lucy Davis. And it's almost questions that I ask myself of. Like, am I enough just as Lucy? Am I enough as a daughter? Am I enough as a friend? Am I enough without all my achievements? Will people look at me the same? If I'm not doing things all the time, if I'm not competing, if I'm not competing to a high level. So it's not just competing. When I compete, I want to break world records. I want to go a sub three marathon. I want to do these things. But if I'm not doing them, are people gonna think less of me?

• 28:25Speaker 00

  Are they expecting me to do this? Of course they are. So that's why I put Berlin down. Because so many people are like, when did you sub three marathon? I was like, oh, I'll book it. So I signed up to Berlin, not for me. Not at all for me. That I'm not, I don't know, I will do sub three. I might even do two fifty one day. I didn't, I don't need to do Berlin. It would be straight into a marathon prep after Chicago, after high rocks worlds. Because I didn't want to give myself a break to work my mental health. I was like, if I just keep training in a, in a block for something, if I just keep working, if I fill my calendar so much. I don't have to deal with all these things of

• 29:03Speaker 00

  my real deep emotions. And they're quite sad questions that I ask myself, that, oh, am I enough without doing hard things? Am I enough without these competitions? Will people still think the same? People who love me and care for me. I actually don't think care about anything that I'm doing to that degree. Only I really care about those goals and those races because they're mine and they're special to me and they're important to me. I wouldn't expect other people to understand them. And I know that I have almost hit a wall. Or I'm hitting the wall, or I hit it and now I'm climbing back over the other side

• 29:45Speaker 00

  of, okay, you've not looked after your mindset in terms of dealing with emotions. You've not dealt with trauma. I've not dealt with things that I know I need to, to physically be able to perform, to presently be there for my friends and family. To, to be the best person that I can be. Like, one of my favourite things about myself is I'm a really kind person. Like, I put other people first. I love that about myself. That's what strong mental health will look like to me is believing and knowing deep, deep internally. Lucy, people don't love you for what you're, what you're doing in these things. They love you for who you are as a person.

• 30:29Speaker 00

  So I think it's what good mental health will look like for me is me feeling that. It's all good of me while saying it. I don't feel that yet. I don't feel.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  That I've not even spoke about this before. So it's really, I feel almost like awkward speaking about it. But I think that's what it'll look like for me is knowing that I am enough.

• 30:55Nick Bare?

  I think this is great stuff to share.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  It's so scary though. It makes me just feel.

• 31:05Nick Bare?

  It makes you, it makes you real.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:08Nick Bare?

  And.

• 31:12Nick Bare?

  I think the one thing that social media has done, it has amplified. Not necessarily our need, but our exposure to external validation. External validation has always been there, but.

• 31:28Nick Bare?

  When you build a platform and a community where there's hundreds of thousands of people following you, like in your case. And you're receiving comments and feedback and, and all these messages providing. This validation around what you're doing, which then forms your identity. You and yourself create an identity around that validation. That's normal. I've, I've one hundred percent been in that same situation.

• 31:58Nick Bare?

  I've been there many times before.

• 32:01Nick Bare?

  My question for you is, this might be hard to answer. Maybe you don't have the answer.

• 32:07Nick Bare?

  I'm assuming you get a lot of your validation from like these physical fitness challenges. Races, competitions, high rocks, marathons, ultras. Who is Lucy Davis without fitness?

• 32:21Nick Bare?

  And what legacy do you want outside of fitness and accomplishments?

• 32:28Speaker 00

  You know, I said to you before, this was one of the questions that I sat with when you were like, oh, I'm gonna speak about this. I didn't even really have.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  An answer and it almost made me feel quite sad because.

• 32:44Speaker 00

  I see fitness as. That's how I've chose to live my life. So it's almost like ingrained in me. It's a part of who I am.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  But it is also recog- and I'm because I happen in sport my whole life. I've almost not known different as in from as soon as I could walk. I was in sport that it's who I am. I almost see like fitness as a lifestyle. And I don't necessarily identify with a particular sport like I don't I don't identify myself like. As a high rocks athlete or as a runner. It's not that. Mine's the the situation I have is I identify with doing hard things, which in turn is me doing all of these races. And.

• 33:33Speaker 00

  Me without like the fitness side of things. I don't think she fully exists right now. I I I I don't, I don't. It will always be a part of my life. Sport and fitness will always be a part of my life. Who I am without that is.

• 33:56Speaker 00

  Understanding that.

• 33:59Speaker 00

  I'm a very giving and kind person. And one of my favorite things to do is be with people that I love and doing things that they enjoy and understanding. Different cultures and learning and writing and photography. And fashion. There's all these different things that I am so interested in. But because I've not been present within my own life as much as I could be. I also own a fitness business. I own a fitness app. So again, it's. Even when I'm thinking about business, it's very much in. A fitness sense. I have other projects that are all in the fitness space that I.

• 34:40Nick Bare?

  You're speaking to the choir right now.

• 34:41Speaker 00

  I know that I just so happen to be launching all the fitness space because that is who I am. And I'm proud of that. Like, I'm really proud of the person that I am today. But it is it's. It's knowing.

• 34:59Speaker 00

  It makes me very awkward to not have the best answer to that question because I'm still figuring it out. And it's not that I don't enjoy doing other things. But yeah, a lot of my hobbies and interests are based around fitness. So like even going for a hike in the mountains, like the mountains are a safe space for me. I love them. They make me feel whole and calm and relaxed. And I can't even the silence. But is that still class as fitness because it's hiking? I don't know. I don't know what realm that comes into. The photography side of it, I love learning about cameras. I've been annoying Tracy so much. I'm like, will you help me fix my camera? I'm going to take all these little pictures. Yeah, maybe that's a little hobby. I love expressing myself through fashion. I love doing that.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  I'm doing a lot of writing at the moment because I have a big project that I've been working on. And I'm writing so much and I'm learning about myself and.

• 35:55Speaker 00

  Are they all not related to fitness? I don't know because it's who I am. So a lot of the things that evolve around my life are based off that. But I think you can pitch them whole into different categories. But yeah, I really struggle with that because it's the life that I've almost chose to have. And I'm super thankful and grateful for it. But it's trying to understand, yeah, does the, the other likes and passions that I have, they still come under the umbrella of

• 36:25Speaker 00

  physical and mental well being, which is fitness, so.

• 36:30Nick Bare?

  But I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

• 36:32Speaker 00

  No.

• 36:33Nick Bare?

  I think people try to make other people feel bad. That their like identity is tied to something they love doing. But who are they to say that you're wrong?

• 36:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:46Nick Bare?

  A few years ago, me and Steph went to premarital counselling before we got married. And that was a point in my life where. I was so focused on just building the business. That's all I cared about. Like so much of my passion is around fitness and building business.

• 37:06Nick Bare?

  And I was creating a lot of collateral damage in my life because I was in an Ironman prep at the time, all scaling and growing business, trying to hire more people. It was just like, it was a very fun but tough time. And the therapist asked me, who am I without BPN? And I sat there and I couldn't answer it. And I got pissed. I was like, this is stupid. I'm out of here. So we just never went back. And I sat with that for a while and I felt really bad because I couldn't answer it.

• 37:38Nick Bare?

  But then I realized, why do I feel bad? I thought to myself, why do I feel bad? Because this person who doesn't know me or live the life that I live or have the same passion and purpose as me, who are they to judge me?

• 37:53Nick Bare?

  So I think this is a time in your life where you have to be focused. And you don't have to have all these passions outside of the one thing that you identify with and you love.

• 38:05Nick Bare?

  But again, I think people make us feel bad for not having that thing. So then we feel bad internally on ourself and it's this internal battle.

• 38:13Nick Bare?

  So when I ask the question, like, who are you without fitness? If you don't have an answer, that's completely okay.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:18Nick Bare?

  Because that is like your focus right now and you shouldn't feel bad.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's almost, I'm just making sure, which is why with the whole very much working on myself and you know, yeah, having therapy and really me working on that element helps me like be more present within like fitness and how it is such an integral part of my life and is who I am and it's who I identify with. But it's also, it's like being out here. Yeah, I'm training a lot and it's, it's fitness based, but I'm training with some of the best people ever and I'm having so much fun. It doesn't, it doesn't feel. Like stressful or anything like that and I'm working on my emotions. I get to run the marathon with Luke and I get to

• 39:05Speaker 00

  be around everyone. We're doing a really cool like filming thing at the moment with like high rocks and it's just, I'm like, this is really fun. But it's also pulling it for me to be, okay, well, be in that moment, Lucy. Be present, be present in this podcast, be present when I'm training with the labs later, be present when we're having steak in Texas. And it's these things that's important to me. It's living in the moment. For a lot of people, I think it's like, oh, live in the moment. No, no, I really, I recognize that I do need to live in the moment. And not be so worried about the future, like the future, the future. I can't think too far ahead. I have my goals. I know what I want to achieve.

• 39:46Speaker 00

  But I shouldn't be thinking about those future intense goals because they are intense every single day of my life. They're goals that I have. They're not going anywhere. I know I can achieve them. They'll be hard to achieve. But I don't need to wake up every single morning and be like, oh, that's, that's intense. No, no, I can be more present. I can, I should feel a little bit more relaxed. I'm not, I'm not the most relaxed person in some instances. I think a lot of my friends, definitely my sister and family would, would say that because I am a high achiever and I look at the next best thing. All the time. I think, yeah, we get a lot of validation from social media and it's not, I don't rely on the validation.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  But I think people are lying if they don't sometimes enjoy that level that people give to us in such a, in such a positive way. So yeah, I guess I'm trying to detach from those sort of things and just be, be who I am, live a little. And yeah, that's, that's good. I think mentally that's where I'm at. It doesn't mean I'm not happy. I think this is the thing, just because I'm working on myself and I'm prioritizing my mental health. I'm a very happy person. Most of the time, like I've always got a very high baseline level of happiness and optimism.

• 41:02Speaker 00

  But there's, there's something internally that's maybe a little bit disjointed at the moment and I've recognized that and I'm, I'm working on it.

• 41:11Nick Bare?

  I can 100% relate to what you're going through right now. And being a little bit older than you, a few years ago, I was really in the thick of this. And I still revisit it quite often. And people like you and me, and again, most people who listen to this podcast have the same mindset. We don't have to be provided motivation and we don't have to be influenced to be disciplined. We are like naturally, our baseline is disciplined. Our baseline is motivated. We, we want to achieve. But I think what we need to do sometimes is like let off the grip a little bit.

• 41:56Nick Bare?

  Because I will grip harder and harder and harder. Until someone's like, hey, like your knuckles, like your knuckles, they're white. You're gripping so hard.

• 42:08Nick Bare?

  When you're going through a very stressful time.

• 42:12Nick Bare?

  What is your coping mechanism? And I'll share you mine first, so you can think about it.

• 42:19Nick Bare?

  When I am overwhelmed or I am stressed.

• 42:23Nick Bare?

  I try to control what I know I can't control. And, and I wasn't able to recognize this myself, but Steph was able to recognize this. So if I'm overwhelmed with work. Or I'm stressed out, there's a lot going on, there's pressure. I will control. To crazy degrees, my diet and my training. I will amplify volume, intensity of training. And I will amplify the strictness of my diet. Where the scale comes out, sometimes my fitness pal and logging feud comes back out. I won't touch anything that doesn't fit into my diet. I will hit my macros to a T.

• 43:05Nick Bare?

  That is the previous obsessive compulsive eating disorder problem within me.

• 43:14Nick Bare?

  And that is just my coping mechanism. Like when I feel like life is getting out of control. I will grab on to what I know I can control. That is my coping mechanism. I now can identify it. Steph and my, my team can definitely identify it.

• 43:33Nick Bare?

  Can you?

• 43:36Nick Bare?

  Picture what yours is.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  I know exactly what mine is. I've almost just like, I've almost just recognized what it is from you saying that. Um, when I'm at very high levels of stress and and I know, I know I can feel it. It just feels different. I will, I will fill my time even more as in I will book more races. I will book in more meetings. I will take on more things for the business that I physically know I don't have the mental capacity to do so. But if I'm doing that and I'm busy enough, I don't have time to even think about being stressed because I have so much on.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  As in, I think that's, that's actually what I do. I, I fill gaps and time. So I don't have a second to sit with my emotions or the feelings of stress. Because then if, if my time is so full.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  I don't need, I'm full. I don't need, I don't have time to sit with my emotions or even worry about those things because and, and by booking new races or new projects within the businesses. And then focused on those that I'm not then worrying about the stresses that I had. They're still there. I'm not, they're probably worse. But that is definitely something that I, I do.

• 45:00Nick Bare?

  It's like the person who has problems gambling. Where you go into the casino, you go in with a hundred dollars and you tell yourself you're only spending a hundred dollars. And you lose a hundred dollars in the first five minutes.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 45:12Nick Bare?

  So you go back and you pull another hundred dollars out to try to break even. But then win a little bit more, more money back and you lose that. And you go back, you keep digging yourself a hole and you never get ahead.

• 45:24Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 45:25Nick Bare?

  And you're hoping that one of these times you go back, it's going to be that hit that gets you ahead and you feel better. But it isn't. You just keep digging and digging and digging.

• 45:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I'm, I'm, I, I recognize it and I am self-aware of it. I think I've become very self-aware over the past couple of months of my emotions and certain like boundaries that I think I've almost set for myself of what I won't, I won't, um, or I don't have the mental capacity for. And that's within like friendships and like my family relationships and business. Like the people that I work with are absolutely fantastic because they, they can, they, I think they know sometimes more about me than I even know about myself because I spend a lot of time with people that I work with and they recognize it sometimes. And then everyone's like, whoa, you're doing it like

• 46:18Speaker 00

  you, we don't need to do that new project. Like I was looking at new units and they were like, hmm, no, no, like without, oh, let's just pause on that. Cause I was trying to fill a gap of the amount of stress that I was feeling. I was like, I'll add to my plate. Why not? May as well, may as well. I'm already in the thick of it. I'm very thankful for people like that who do recognize it. And it also makes me very self-aware of situations that I put myself in.

• 46:46Nick Bare?

  Yeah. Cause then everyone else, when you take on more and say yes to more, it's not just you taking it on, it's

• 46:54Speaker 00

  It's everyone.

• 46:55Nick Bare?

  Everyone else.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:57Nick Bare?

  I want to take a quick break in this episode to talk to you guys about how I use our products around my endurance training and how you can as well. Now here at BPN, we've created products to fuel your performance and optimize your recovery. But I want to talk specifically around how I use these products in my morning run. Before my morning run, every morning, I'm not training fasted. I want carbohydrates and I want electrolytes. So I consume two scoops of G1M Sport, which is our carbohydrate and electrolyte powder, and one Go Bar, which is our lightweight oat-based bar.

• 47:39Nick Bare?

  With this combination, I'm getting about 800 mg of sodium and 76 grams of carbohydrates total. Carbohydrates for the fuel, electrolytes for the hydration. This is going to set me up to have the best run possible. Fuel and hydration. Now, based off of the distance, duration, and intensity of that run, I will add in GO gels during the workout. And the GO gel is our simple ingredient, Endurance Gel, 24 grams of carbohydrates in each gel, and 110 mg of sodium.

• 48:18Nick Bare?

  We have a non-caffeinated version and a caffeinated version. The caffeinated version has 75 mg of caffeine per gel. And I will have one GO gel every 30 to 45 minutes, or every four to five miles. And we really created the GO gel for these bigger effort runs, or endurance training sessions, and races. They are extremely useful during races because you get a quick hit of energy from the fuel, the carbohydrates, some hydration from the electrolytes, the sodium, but they also digest very easily. So you're not going to have stomach discomfort and GI distress. And then after

• 49:03Nick Bare?

  my run, I want to rehydrate, so I'm always adding in our electrolyte powder, one to two scoops. Each scoop has 500 mg of sodium, full electrolyte profile. So I'm using our products to fuel training, enhance hydration, maintain effort intensity during training sessions with the GO gel, and then rehydrating immediately after. So that's how I use our products around my early morning runs and all my endurance training, and how you can as well. So go to bpsubs.com, check out all of our endurance products to fuel your performance. And now, back to the

• 49:44Nick Bare?

  episode. You made this post the other day saying that your new mantra is "Live a little", and we've been skating around that for a little bit, but what exactly does that not necessarily mean to you, but what does that look like?

• 50:02Speaker 00

  Living a little. I say that and it relaxes me. As in, I don't think, you know, when you hear a quote or someone says something to you and you resonate with it at a time in your life when you needed to hear that more than you even realised. My sister said that to me. The first day I landed in Texas, I FaceTimed her. I was like, I've got all these things on. And she was like, whoa. She was like, you're in. And I was like, listing off work things. And she was like, whoa, live a little. And I thought, I do. I was like, I've got, I've got a great life. I almost was shocked when she said it. I was like, yeah, I am, I am living. I've got a great life. I'm really relaxed. And she said, Lucy, everything you've just listed off, you've made

• 50:45Speaker 00

  your trip seem stressful and you've not even been there for a day. I was like, but nothing stressed. And we spoke about it and we went through it a little bit, which why I resonated so much because it's like, oh, live a little. Like, life is so great. I'm so thankful for how hard I have worked and how hard I do work. But living a little to me is appreciating where I'm at right now, appreciating the incredible people that I have in my life, the amount of love that I have to give other people and they've got to give me. It's being present and content and I think for me, it's pulling back on, as I said before, I do enjoy looking into the future and thinking of the this, this and this and this.

• 51:31Speaker 00

  That's great. But something I do need to work on is being presently there every single day when I wake up. And I don't wish my life away at all, but I think I have been doing that. I've been, I've been so fixated on other things that are happening that aren't always in my control. That I'm all, I'm getting, I'm getting to the end of the day. It's like, okay, new day. Go, go again, straight. It's like, whoa, you've just had the best day ever. Like, let's just sit with that and appreciate how incredible life is and where you're at right now and having the gratitude for that and those moments. And that's what living a little is to me. And that's something that I, every single day I wake up.

• 52:14Speaker 00

  I've done a lot of journaling recently, more like brain dumping as I write everything down.

• 52:19Nick Bare?

  It's been helpful.

• 52:20Speaker 00

  So helpful. And I was, I was a little bit against, not against journaling, but the way I pictured it was people writing essays. And I, that almost stressed me out. I was like, I don't have the, the, the time to be doing that. They're almost just thoughts. Like sometimes I write one word and that's it. And it just might be a moment that I'm feeling. So, or like I scribble a little bit, or I draw random things. I was writing about emotions the other day and I, I drew like a beach and waves and the seaside because I was describing to myself how emotions feel like waves and they come and go and we're not tied to them. And they're okay and they pass through.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Some are big, some are small. So instead of writing all that, I just drew it. And I instantly felt very calm about it. But every morning I've woke up and I write a little, and it relax, it just relaxes me. It makes me feel whole. It makes me feel content. And that's where I'm at with that.

• 53:20Nick Bare?

  What has held you back from living a little in the past? What is your fear around allowing yourself to live a little?

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Letting other people down, I think is a really big thing for me. Not that I, I don't think anyone would ever say that to me. If I take my foot off the gas a little bit and I'm not this

• 53:43Speaker 00

  go, go, go, go, go, high achiever all the time.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  I worry about letting my team down. I worry about letting my family and my friends and my loved ones down. If I am not identifying with that hard exterior woman that everyone, I, so I'm about to say expects me to be. I don't think anyone expects me to be that ever. I think I could be that I am who I am without that. But in my head, it's if I'm not doing all these incredible, amazing things, if I'm not doing this, if I'm not doing that, I'm not pushing on with business.

• 54:23Speaker 00

  People won't look at me in the same way or I won't respect myself. And I think that's made me not take my foot off the gas to a degree. But by not doing that, I've probably had the opposite effect to myself where like my sister's been so pivot. Like she's, she has, like the relationship you have with your family and like a sibling for me, like my sister. She will tell me how it is and she will be pretty brutal sometimes and she's, she's the only person who really will tell me what I need to hear at different points. And she said the other day, she was like, you're, you're like, you're like, you're almost like wishing your life away. She's like, you're 28, your life's just started. You're in a new chapter, your life has just started.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Enjoy it. She's like, enjoy your time, live a little.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  And it's, uh, yeah, it stuck.

• 55:16Nick Bare?

  My piece of advice for you is I, I think it's like really important and I, I only share this advice. Cause I've been here where you're at many times before. Is, is in the past couple of years, I've been at the same intersection that you're at right now. And I have recognized it and I've said I was going to make a change. And then I never did. And I went back to my old ways and kept burying myself. And then I would finally get to a breaking point where I'd recognize it again. Say I'm going to make a change, go back to burying myself. And through burying myself, it creates all these like rips and terrors.

• 55:58Nick Bare?

  In other parts of your life with people and business and all these things. My biggest piece of advice is recognize this and commit to making a sustainable change. Cause I can guarantee you, if you do make that change, because I'm, I committed that change recently. The growth you see on the other side is 10x what it is if you just maintained what was. I say comfortable, not actually comfortable, but comfortable for you.

• 56:33Nick Bare?

  Sometimes it's not doing harder or doing more, but it's doing different. That is a game changer. And I think if you commit to this and follow through, where you're at 10 years from now will be completely different financially, mentally, physically, all the things. So I was like, recognize this and commit to the change that you want to, to see.

• 57:02Speaker 00

  Do you know what as well, I almost hit this point last year. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm all in with that. I didn't.

• 57:12Nick Bare?

  I've been there, I've been there.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Completely lied to myself. Didn't really do anything about it. Didn't deal with emotions that I knew I shouldn't have been dealing with that everyone was. And it was almost, I give myself some grace because it's like, okay, that's fine. Now I recognize that there's, I'd never had those emotions or how I felt before. I didn't even know how to deal with it. So I just pushed it aside and I did a lot. I learned so much about myself. Whereas now, like the past week, it's hit me and I'm like, oh no, yeah, wait, wait. I'm fully committing to that. And I've, I've done it in different ways of like with, with therapy, for example. Oh, I'm fully committed to this. And I've said to my therapist twice a week, every week, which is, it's a lot.

• 57:56Speaker 00

  I will, there I've had some out here and I'm just sometimes thinking about my whole day. Because I ha, I'm a very committed person. I pride myself in being committed to my sports, to my businesses, to my friendships. And it's like, okay, Lucy, you're committed to this now. And I have, and I'm actually really proud of that. Like the past couple of weeks, like three or four weeks, I have fully committed to this. And that's how I've been, I am, I am a high achiever. So me saying I'm committed to something, I'm going to follow through with it. And I just didn't do that last year and I'm aware of that. Whereas this time, and I've, it's only been like, yeah, three or four weeks where I've really kind of drilled into this.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Like recognize how I'm feeling. I already feel a big weight off my shoulders. I already feel a lot better. So I'm seeing it's not, this isn't an overnight thing. And I'm aware that this is going to be, you know, a good couple of months. But the small changes that I have noticed in myself, being kinder to myself, a new level of confidence, a confidence that's like authentically me though. I think one of the best things that I like about me is that I am very authentically me. Like what you see is what you get kind of thing. It's not, I'm not different online than I am offline. And I'm like proud to kind of like recognise that in these, these changes that I'm going through.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Cause yeah, for a lot of people, it's, they need to put their foot on the gas and do more. Whereas I, I'm doing the opposite and I've never really had to do that before. So the, the big one is me, again, for a lot of people, it wouldn't maybe relate, but pulling out of Berlin for that sub three, because it's not, I could do that race. Oh, for sure. I'm ready for a sub three. I'm, I'm itching for it one day. It's not that I could do that race in September. It's the fact that July, August, September, I want to take off competing. As in, I don't want to be in a prep. I've been in a prep since 2021.

• 1:00:03Speaker 00

  That's like four years. I'm doing that because I want to go on a holiday, which isn't work. I want to spend time with people that I love. I want to not be in a prep. And I don't really need a massive explanation to people for it. But again, that's like me committing to not doing a race. It almost sounds backwards, but it's for different purposes and different reasons that, it sounds really backwards actually, me saying it out loud, but now I'm committing to me prioritising.

• 1:00:35Nick Bare?

  People who truly know how to commit and have committed to something in the past, will completely understand what you're doing and why right now.

• 1:00:44Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:00:46Nick Bare?

  So I just finished reading this book, which is a business book, but like it's very applicable to this. And it's called BE 2.0 by Jim Collins, and it stands for Beyond Entrepreneurship.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Nick Bare?

  It's probably my favorite book I've read in the last two years. I loved, I listened to the audio book when I was running.

• 1:01:10Nick Bare?

  I finished it, ordered the hard copy, and now I lay in bed at night and I'm reading it and highlighting all this stuff. I'm pretty much highlighting the entire book.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Nick Bare?

  I was like, what's the point of this?

• 1:01:20Nick Bare?

  But it talks, it talks about how like in business, vision is so important. But again, this is very applicable to, to life.

• 1:01:30Nick Bare?

  Vision is like what needs created at all corporations, organizations, companies, brands, individual family units. Vision guides strategy, and then strategy guides tactics. And within vision, there are core values, there's purpose, and there's goals. So what most people do, and what I've done before, is I just go and create goals. And my goals in my mind are, are my vision. But my goals aren't aligned with the purpose, and that purpose isn't aligned with core values.

• 1:02:12Nick Bare?

  So first, like to create vision for yourself, or your business, or, or your family, you create core values. Core values aren't like these lofty integrity, honesty. You know, those characteristics, like very straightforward. Like, one of our core values at BPN is that we will not pursue growth at the expense of profitability. Like, we will always be profitable. That's one of our core values. So you create your core values first, and your core values as a business or as an individual shouldn't change more than one time every 100 years.

• 1:02:54Nick Bare?

  Your purpose also shouldn't change more than one time every 100 years. So like our purpose at BPN, which is also aligned with my purpose.

• 1:03:05Nick Bare?

  And as I read this, you'll realize it has nothing to do with like

• 1:03:10Nick Bare?

  these physical feats or challenges. VPN's purpose and my purpose. Help people realize that anything is achievable with hard work, commitment and consistency. And then provide them the fuel, resources and inspiration to do it. Like my, what I get the most out of in life is like helping people realize and achieve confidence. Like you said, you would never run. I, I want to inspire you to go for your first run and then run a marathon one day. And I want to guide you to get there. I want to show you how. Like that is like my purpose. That's what I love to do. And then you create goals. And your goals in a business, for example, which might be different from personal

• 1:03:56Nick Bare?

  are 10 to 25 year goals.

• 1:04:00Nick Bare?

  So your goals are only created after you've already identified your core values and your purpose. And the reason I share that is to say that what I used to do, and I believe a lot of the people do is they create goals they think they want or other people want for them. But what ends up happening is those goals might not be aligned with your core values or your purpose. So those goals are completely in a different, moving in a different direction from where you want to go and be.

• 1:04:37Speaker 00

  I've definitely, I can think of goals off my head that I, I have almost set for other people, thinking I have definitely set them for myself. And I've not, and I also, I think I do really within my heart. I, I know why I do what I do, and it wouldn't even mean I ever have to compete again. Ever and I, I am aware of that, like my, I'm so passionate, so pa- like I, I think about it daily because it excites me so much is.

• 1:05:15Speaker 00

  Helping specifically women. Because I almost grew up in sport. And I struggled. There was times that, you know, the stereotypical and women can't do this, they can't do that. And I think it must have stuck with me from such a young age. Honestly, the age of like four or five years old, I've been in sport. Like, why do I do now? I don't, I don't want people to do these like ridiculous, insane, kind of like the things that I'm doing. I want them just to know, like as a woman, you're capable so much more than you ever know. And you realize you should, you should be like, hold on to that and be so proud. Like to be a girl and that is why I do what I do. And I know

• 1:05:58Speaker 00

  I don't need to compete or do this or be to, to, to have that as like one of my purposes and why I'm doing what I'm doing. And I do recognize that. But it is, I it's, it is, I probably will definitely read that book and almost like sit with it and break it down myself to understand why I am doing these things as well. Like, I can't give you a solid answer to, I wanted to sit and read that book. I think I saw you post on your story and I've already screenshotted it to, to add to read. Um, and like, I think I learned a lot from it. But yeah, I, I there's, I know my purpose and I do have a lot of my core values, but there's things that I definitely need to

• 1:06:41Speaker 00

  realign and, and work on slightly.

• 1:06:45Nick Bare?

  Yeah, as, as we're talking about this, I'm thinking like,

• 1:06:49Nick Bare?

  I don't want people to think that we're saying you should stop pursuing goals and all these physical challenges and all these things.

• 1:07:00Nick Bare?

  Because as you're talking about like what your, your goals are with creating content in these races.

• 1:07:07Nick Bare?

  As a dad who has a young daughter, Charlie's two and a half years old. I want Charlie to look up to people like you who are women owning who they are, true and authentic and kicking ass. And while other people chirp and make comments and say things, you just keep leaning in. And I, if I could have one.

• 1:07:33Nick Bare?

  Magic power that I could just like cast on to my children as they grow up. It's just confidence. I want them to be so confident. I want them, and that is my goal as a father. I want them to realize that if they want to do something, they can do it. No one's going to tell them otherwise. No one can put them down and they are so strong and they are so confident. I tell Charlie that when I'm putting her to bed every night, like you're, you're going to be so confident. You're going to be independent. You're going to be strong. You're going to be successful. I just like speak that into her.

• 1:08:05Nick Bare?

  And like, that is what you're doing for women in this world. But I think, all right, what I know is like the goal of what we're trying to get across in this, this conversation, this discussion

• 1:08:20Nick Bare?

  is that sometimes in that pursuit, you sacrifice your own personal health because you care so much about helping other people.

• 1:08:31Nick Bare?

  And it's okay to take a step back sometimes and say, I'm going to take care of myself. It hasn't changed my, my goal, my ambitions from be very intentional with like, putting myself first for a little bit so I can better serve other people later.

• 1:08:49Speaker 00

  Well, that's what it is. It's almost, I've, I've taken it as, I'm not a weak person. I'm not. I don't really, that's just not who I am. But me opening up and being vulnerable in this conversation, which is definitely a vulnerable conversation, is actually, it's pretty brave to have people.

• 1:09:11Speaker 00

  I want them to be like, oh yeah, she's this hard. And I am. That is who I am. That is through and through. But also I can be vulnerable and I can be proud of that. And I can be still this, this person, but recognizing and being more self-aware of my emotions. Okay. Well, that will make me a better person for people around me. It will also make me more confident. I lost the level of confidence last year and it's come back so much over the past four, five weeks because I'm focusing on myself. And I'm telling myself every day, I wake up in the mirror. I'm like, you're a great person, Lucy. You are confident. You are successful. You are thriving. That's like a level of confidence that I have needed.

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  And yeah, I'm going after a world record in a month, the one that I got and then got beaten. And then doing last man standing, I've then got high rise worlds. I'm not not doing, I want to do those things. There's just certain races that, yeah, oh, that one can be put on pause. And that's me just being really self-aware. And yeah, I, it, the hope of this conversation is, you know, we're not all completely bulletproof. And we hit a point that it's like, oh, okay, I've got to recognize that. And it's almost, I'm almost like more proud of that. I'm recognizing it and being able to be vulnerable and speak on a podcast about it.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  Because, yeah, hopefully people can take more away from this conversation. People might listen and be like, oh, God, I'm definitely in that area. But I know I can get through it because I can be brave. I can be strong. It doesn't really change who you are. I know my core values is this. I've got that grit in me. I'm committed. I'm consistent. I'm resilient. I pride myself of those. But I'm kind, I'm vulnerable, I'm caring as well. And I think that'll help me be like the most confident person that I can be, that I lost a little bit of myself last year. But yeah, it's a, it's a really interesting.

• 1:11:10Nick Bare?

  And sometimes you, you instill more confidence in people, not by being bulletproof, but by being vulnerable.

• 1:11:23Nick Bare?

  I'm thinking back to like, some of the recent comments in DMs I've been getting around like my whole ankle situation, my, my Achilles, just my foot in general. Not really sure what's, what's causing the problem. I have an MRI Tuesday to really figure it out. I'm getting so many messages saying, dude, I'm so sorry. Like, here's what you can do. Like, you're gonna get back there. Like, don't, don't, don't. Keep your head up. Don't let this destroy you. Like, I'm good. I'm good. Like, my identity, and this might be a different response today than it was two years ago. My identity is not a runner. It's not even necessarily an athlete. That is something that I do.

• 1:12:09Nick Bare?

  But when things happen outside of your control, and they challenge your goals and what you were working towards.

• 1:12:22Nick Bare?

  I now just go back to my core values, my purpose. And I reshift that time and energy towards something else. I'm just gonna keep moving. I'm not gonna lose momentum. I'm gonna reshift and refocus that on moving forward. And like, once this leg is back to normal, I'll be good. We running again, I'll be training, going for that, that 230 marathon.

• 1:12:46Nick Bare?

  But I think a lot of people reached out thinking that my whole soul was crushed. When this happened, like, yeah, it sucks, but like, it's part of it. Now I get to put all this focus towards the BPN community this weekend, running the Austin Marathon, the athletes. Get to cook steaks for you guys today after your workout, like, just keep moving forward.

• 1:13:07Speaker 00

  But that, that's it. Like, everything you just said, it's because I've struggled with injury in the past and I've been like, oh my God, I can't believe, I can't, whoa. Like, injury sucks, like, it actually does. Like, it's, it is definitely like a difficult thing to get through.

• 1:13:21Nick Bare?

  For sure.

• 1:13:22Speaker 00

  But, yeah, I've had it in the, but even with, I tore my forearm in December. And I just didn't train it and people, people were almost like mortified for me for this. I was like, no, no, honestly, like, I'm good. Like, I was really focused on like the businesses. I was spending so much time with my friends. I'd just moved, I'd moved cities. So I was, I was meeting new people. I was spending a lot of time on my own in Manchester because I, I've never been a city girl before. I was so excited. And I realized at that point, I was like, oh, I am actually, if I do get injured or these things happen, there's other things that I can focus on, which is still helping me move towards goals in different ways.

• 1:14:06Speaker 00

  But it doesn't have to be based around me competing or me training or doing different things. And I also think with fitness, because as I said before, it is very much part of my life. Depending on obviously what injuries you get and things like that, I can try new sports. Like I could do some cycling. I don't usually cycle, but my sister's training for seventy point three. They're all in Lanzarote at the moment. I'm gonna fly out and meet them. Go on the bike with them, like try different things, do some swimming and. Yeah, like almost just not pigeonholing myself and attach myself. Which is why I said I don't attach myself to running, to high rocks, to the gym. It's. Yeah, fitness as a whole is is part of my life. But if an injury does happen now.

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  I'm in a far better head headspace to, I I agree with that, to deal with it.

• 1:14:55Nick Bare?

  That's the best part about like.

• 1:14:55Speaker 00

  Different things.

• 1:14:56Nick Bare?

  But cross training.

• 1:14:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:58Nick Bare?

  It's like, how can I train? Let's let's learn something new. Let's try something different. The goals will shift a little bit, but. I'm gonna keep moving my body. I know that. That that's not going away.

• 1:15:09Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:15:12Nick Bare?

  We might have like slightly covered this, but I I do want to ask this question. Because I think like there's some really valuable, like direct key takeaways we can share with people. What is one mindset shift you've made recently? That has transformed your life?

• 1:15:33Speaker 00

  This is very recent because I've only just finished the book. And I don't know if you will will have read it or listened to it, but it's called The Latin Theory.

• 1:15:42Nick Bare?

  Oh, yeah. Mel Robbins.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:44Nick Bare?

  Yeah, I love that book.

• 1:15:47Speaker 00

  That changed my perspective on a lot of things. I've always.

• 1:15:56Speaker 00

  Been aware of Mel Robbins. I think she's absolutely fantastic. I like how she speaks. I like how how she comes across. And.

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  I I read like a certain genre of books and this one was recommended to me. Like I I like a lot of business books and things like that. I thought, oh, let them theory. I probably need to let a few things go.

• 1:16:15Speaker 00

  It is one of the best book I actually listen to at my runs. And the let them theory in terms of. The reason this changed my life so much is because, and it was a complete mindset shift. It's not just a book that, oh, no, no, I rarely use this now. Not wholeheartedly, like my, my whole life isn't based on let them. But the idea that you cannot control other people's mindsets. Or how other people react, you can't control every single situation. And you just have to, a lot of the time, let them, let them be, let them do what they need to do. Stop trying to control everything. There's not, there's not things, the, the things that I can control in my life.

• 1:17:01Speaker 00

  There's also things that I can't. And one of those, the biggest things is other people's emotions. How other people feel, what, what they're doing. I think people might pick up from this podcast that I, I do care a lot about what other people think and I, I try not to, but I struggle with it. I, I. You know, socials or friends or family or whatever it is. I'm like, oh, what are they? Let them, let them think what they're thinking. Let them have the emotions that they're having. Let them say what they want to say to me. And then let me. And. It allowed me to have a lot of self-acceptance about myself. And also. I guess a high level of respect for me and my boundaries of not always trying to please people.

• 1:17:47Speaker 00

  I do that quite a lot. I think I do things sometimes just to make other people happy. I'm good at having hard conversations. But sometimes I'm like, oh, I just want to make them happy. I can't control it.

• 1:18:00Speaker 00

  Let them, let them do what they've got to do. I can't control every single situation. And it kind of, I guess, is almost tied into the live a little. Because I'm then not worrying so much about. What other people are doing that I can't control or that I'm not that happy with or whatever it is. It's okay. You've, you've just got to, you've got to let them move on from it. So that's a mindset shift that I've had. Of thinking. And it, it's relaxed me quite significantly.

• 1:18:29Nick Bare?

  Yeah, Steph shared that book with me and I really enjoyed it.

• 1:18:33Nick Bare?

  Yeah, example, like you, you were kind of like. Getting to.

• 1:18:38Nick Bare?

  If you pulled out of a race and the fear was that other people would start talking about that being a weakness or well Lucy Davis isn't as as tough as she used to be. Let them think that.

• 1:18:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:51Nick Bare?

  Let them. Who cares?

• 1:18:54Speaker 00

  It's very freeing. It's completely freeing when you you do listen to even and she speaks quite heavily on like friendships and relationships and whatever it is. You've just got to let them. So I actually would advise people to listen to that book and it's even if you're kind of like not going through something, I think you learn a lot from it and it's very valuable to maybe how we should live our lives to a degree.

• 1:19:22Nick Bare?

  Yeah, I thought it was a good one.

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:25Nick Bare?

  One that I wanted to share, a mindset shift that I've made, I think over the last couple of years, is acknowledging that you don't need a title to start acting like you've already achieved it. And I was spending time with one of our athletes, Sally McRae, she's a good friend of mine. And we were talking, this is probably a few years ago. And Sally's a professional athlete, professional runner. She's like, Nick, you're not a professional athlete, but you train and you eat like one. I was like, yeah, you're right. I don't have that title. And I might never have

• 1:20:07Nick Bare?

  that title. But I'm still going to like, when I set a goal, I'm going to act like I'm a pro. I'm going to train like a pro. I'm going to recover like I'm a pro. I'm going to eat like a pro. I'm with the mindset of a pro. Being professional is not a title. It is a mindset and a practice. And that mind shift was truly like revolutionary for me. And I want people to think that same way. You don't have to be a pro. You don't need the title to start acting like it.

• 1:20:42Speaker 00

  I absolutely love that. And that's so true. It's, I think, almost when I First start getting into running, I was, I was a little bit embarrassed to say that I started running because it didn't really tie with just like going to the gym and had all this muscle and whatever I was doing. And I almost put a self limiting belief onto me that I'm not this. So you can't, quite negative, like around, you can't this, you can't that, you don't look like a runner, you're not this. I almost started to say to myself, you are a runner. And I'm having more of a, a positive outlook on those, because I'm exactly the same way. I'm not a professional

• 1:21:24Speaker 00

  athlete. But everything that I do and like how I choose to live my life and, and being, and I'm not, it's like the, the business thing. I'm not the most successful business and, but you almost put those limiting factors on yourself and you pigeonhole yourself by saying you're not that. So I can relate to that a lot. I think that's a, that is a fantastic mindset shift.

• 1:21:49Nick Bare?

  If you view yourself as an amateur, you're going to train like an amateur, you're going to eat like an amateur, you're going to think like an amateur.

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Nick Bare?

  It's a mindset.

• 1:21:58Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:21:58Nick Bare?

  Game changing.

• 1:21:59Speaker 00

  I like that. I feel like people will take a lot away from this podcast because even I've taken a lot away from it.

• 1:22:08Nick Bare?

  This is one of my favorite conversations.

• 1:22:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I, I feel like I've been sat here sweating because I've, I've definitely,

• 1:22:18Speaker 00

  they're really, it's that like hard conversations to almost have with yourself.

• 1:22:24Speaker 00

  You're, I find you very easy to talk to because we do have like a similar, even though at different stages of life, there's like similarities. But then us having this conversation for your audience, it's like, okay, well, this is probably going to help people. So even if it feels a little bit hard to open up about certain things, that's okay. Cause like I said before, it'll probably make me even more confident moving forward and you open up to a level of bravery. And if people had comments off the back of this, it's that whole thing of, I'm like, okay, let them.

• 1:22:55Nick Bare?

  Let them.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  Let them. You have your comments. I'm good.

• 1:22:59Nick Bare?

  One of the best things Steph has ever shared with me is that sometimes people don't need advice. They just need to know that they're not alone.

• 1:23:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:09Nick Bare?

  And that if someone else is going through something similar,

• 1:23:14Nick Bare?

  they might not need or want the answers of how to climb out of it, but know that they're not the only ones trying to navigate it. And that in itself is like, okay, this is normal.

• 1:23:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Nick Bare?

  I'm okay. I'm gonna make it through.

• 1:23:28Speaker 00

  It's not just a me problem.

• 1:23:30Nick Bare?

  Yes.

• 1:23:30Speaker 00

  It's a, and that's true. I think everyone can relate to people in different ways. And yeah, I think from maybe an outside perspective, this conversation might shock a lot of people for me because when I land in Texas, people are like, you glow differently in Texas. I'm like, okay, I don't want to come across fake because I am so happy and I feel great. But this conversation is important because we need to, to, to share to the people. I am so happy and I, I feel really good and I really do, and I can feel it in my core. But also I'm dealing with, with things at the moment and that's important to share that you can glow and you can be happy and be dealing with things and still get through, that you can still move forward

• 1:24:11Speaker 00

  even through more difficult times where you're still trying to navigate your mindset or is it your physical health or whatever it would be. You don't have to be stagnant during those processes. I'm very much moving forward through this and it's a hard period to move forward through, but I don't feel stuck. And I just, I need people to recognize that you can definitely move forward through more difficult times as well.

• 1:24:35Nick Bare?

  You can still keep moving forward even if you're dredging through some mud. It's just, you're not moving as fast, but you're still moving forward.

• 1:24:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Nick Bare?

  Well, Lucy, another great conversation. Three podcasts down.

• 1:24:47Speaker 00

  I know. The next one will be the fourth when I'm back in March and then May, the last one standing, fifth one.

• 1:24:53Nick Bare?

  I can't wait for you to see the ranch for this race.

• 1:24:57Speaker 00

  So excited.

• 1:24:58Nick Bare?

  I'm putting like so much time and effort into this ranch build out. The trails are gonna be so nice. Like, oh, I cannot wait for you to see it.

• 1:25:07Speaker 00

  I can't wait for that race. It's gonna be fun.

• 1:25:11Speaker 00

  I'm secretly confident about that race. Tell you that. Everyone's thinking, "Oh, these people..." But I'm also doing it. You be... Yeah.

• 1:25:20Nick Bare?

  It's mindset.

• 1:25:22Speaker 00

  It's mindset, it's great.

• 1:25:24Nick Bare?

  All right, until next time.

• 1:25:25Speaker 00

  Until next time.

• 1:25:26Nick Bare?

  Signing off.

• 1:25:27Speaker 00

  Thank you so much.

• 1:25:28Nick Bare?

  Thank you.