Gary Vee on Entrepreneurship, NFTs, American Dream & Future of Owning the NY Jets

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find From Belarusian Immigrant to Multimillionaire Entrepreneur, Gary Vaynerchuck (known as Gary Vee) joins The Pivot to share his journey of finding success and securing happiness. This conversation with Channing, Fred and Ryan is filled with free game and has an entertainment value second to none. Pull out the notepads and be ready to soak up the financial advice, listen to the life lessons and absorb wisdom through experience. Known for his motivational talks and digital content creation, Gary Vee has affected lives all around the globe and continues to inspire people with his over sharing of experiences and openness. Starting off as a young business mind, first with his father’s business and then expanding into his own empire, Gary Vee shares what makes him still go hard everyday and the little things which have made a big impact on how he conducts his work everyday. The die hard NY Jets fan, Gary Vee shares a story about publicly calling out former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez and jeopardizing his client relationship with the organization by having a fan first mentality, which he firmly stands by today. Ryan asks how he has time for family with all that he does in a day while Channing asks what is the end goal if money isn’t what he’s chasing than what is the purpose? Diving into NFTs, Channing and Ryan try to soak up the basic knowledge behind this economic trend while Fred talks the business structure and where the world is headed because of NFTs. Gary Vee explains how the skepticism around NFTs can be compared to how the world 20 years ago didn’t understand the power of the internet or didn’t think buying alcohol online and dating apps would ever become popular let alone acceptable practices. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  Guys, really.

• 0:31Ryan Clark?

  What up, though?

• 0:32Speaker 01

  You guys really cleaned up this room. What's up, man? Such a pleasure.

• 0:36Ryan Clark?

  What up, little brother?

• 0:38Speaker 01

  What's up, bro? Such a pleasure.

• 0:39Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  What's up, everyone? Good to see you.

• 0:42Ryan Clark?

  That's how you do it, man. When you command the room, you walk in and you speak to everybody, Gary Vee.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  100%.

• 0:47Ryan Clark?

  I like that.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  I like people. I realized my secret sauce was something that was always there.

• 1:15Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the Pivot. We got a saying, man. This is the home of the almost-famous, and the place where everything always works out. Ryan Clark, man, Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder. On behalf of us, man.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  I'm still mad at Fred.

• 1:28Ryan Clark?

  Why? What you do, Fred?

• 1:29Speaker 01

  I'll explain. Fred, actually, it sparked a great run for the Jets. There was a Week 5 game. I think it's Week 5, because I think it made the Jets 1-4 that year. And that's what brought Chad Pennington in to replace Vinny. I don't know if you remember this, Fred, but I don't remember to play clear enough to nail it like I normally do. But I think it was like a very simple screen pass, or something crazy. But Fred went for like an 85 or 90-yard touchdown against the Jets. We lost like 40 to... It was a blowout city. I'm still mad about it.

• 1:57Fred Taylor?

  You guys are in Jacksonville. We had Beasley. One of my former teammates had gone over.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Aaron, exactly.

• 2:02Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, Beasley had went over.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  From West Virginia, right?

• 2:05Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, from the VA. I remember a few times, though, y'all got us. When Keyshawn was here in the playoffs.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Well, '98, that's one of the best days of my life.

• 2:11Fred Taylor?

  '98, when he had the interception, he had a touchdown.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Fumble return, yeah, I remember.

• 2:14Fred Taylor?

  All of that whole game, man.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  No, but that game specifically, you went ballistic. But anyway, I'm su... Listen, let me just say this for your fanbase. I am so genuinely proud of you guys. This show is a real show. Like, I really watch everything. That's what I do for a living. If I would've been a great athlete, I would've watched film for real. Like, I'd be great at film work. I really pay attention, and I'm really honored to be here. I think you guys have put together a real show that brings value, that people watch, that always has something, and so I'm glad to be here.

• 2:46Fred Taylor?

  I appreciate that.

• 2:47Ryan Clark?

  You know, like we said, man, we're excited to have you. I think the one thing we're focused on is continuing to, not only build value in our brand, but build value in our content. And the dope part, but also the hard part about having you on is that you're willing to share.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:05Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not hiding anything about how you got to be at this point.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  The reverse.

• 3:12Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  I'm obsessed with oversharing.

• 3:15Ryan Clark?

  Right, but here's what's crazy to me, right? Everybody knows Gary Vee now, where you are, the things you've accomplished, where you've come from. But you're a kid that was born in Belarus. You're an immigrant. You know, and you mention often, your parents lived the American dream. But that didn't mean that you were handed things. How do you get to this point after having a family that had to build a life in America?

• 3:43Speaker 01

  You know, one of the reasons I've always done super well in connecting with athletes or people in music, like, a lot of people know what it's like to not have a lot and to get to a place, and it's common. That's why entrepreneurship has been really fun for me. When I was a kid, I'm 46, when I was a kid, most people that didn't come from a whole lot and then got somewhere really did come in places like sports and entertainment, because that was the era of college, get a job. Entrepreneurship wasn't really talked about.

• 4:17Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  For me, I had a really funny thing. Not only were we very poor when we first got to America and then slowly went from poor to middle class, but my mother, who's the most important person in my life, I'm sorry, Dad, like, you're tired, I get it, but like, my mom is also one of the cheapest people on earth, which, me and my sister had this, because we're three and a half years younger, my brother AJ, who, you know, you know a little bit, like, is 11 years younger. Me and my sister had more of a similar childhood. We just had like an aha moment like five years ago of wait a minute. Yes, we didn't have a whole lot growing up, but then it was compounded because my mom is the cheapest person on earth. So we were living like way worse than we were and we were really just kinda coming up.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  I think for me, it's why I think I put out so much content. The world is a complicated place. It's right, it's not perfect. It's got all sorts of strengths and weaknesses, flaws. Obviously, there's three black men in front of me. I grew up in, from Belarus in the Soviet Union. The suppression, the issue was being Jewish, right? Like so both my grandfathers spent, one of my grandfathers spent 10 years in jail, basically for being Jewish. So I was always very connected to, okay, certain countries suppress religions, some suppress race. But always, I always saw optimism.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  My brain always said, if anybody has ever done it, well then in theory you could too. It might be hard, there's a lot of things that go along with it. But I think I'm a byproduct of scrapping for my shit. You know, like at 10 years old, when everybody got Nintendo because it was 85, 86, and that was the big thing. You know, for me it was like go and get it. And so that led to lemonade stands, that led to shoveling snow, that led to selling sports cards. I just have always been accountable for my success. But even more importantly, where I spend a lot of my time, I've been accountable for my happiness.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  There's always shit around me that's going on that is not in my control, that is not going well, that I can't control. But I can control how I decide to look at it. And I think, I think that's why I'm passionate about communicating now. No matter how fucked up you're, both your parents, you're a foster child, both your parents are this. You grew up this way, that way. The reality is for everything we've ever seen that's been very hard, there's been stories of people that have gotten there. And I want people to latch on to that versus the reality of what happens, which is if you've decided it's over, it's over.

• 7:02Ryan Clark?

  He mentioned Happy Dad. Hold on, man. I'm gonna go and crack this Happy Dad. Because that was the first question. And we already didn't got deep, man. Shout out to Happy Dad, our sponsor, man. We appreciate y'all. But, sheesh.

• 7:14Channing Crowder?

  No, and it's funny, Gary, because you always talk about, I saw something you did talking about like attacking the negative people, negative influence in your life. And I got something amongst us, like, everything's gonna work out is one of the things that we kinda jumped the hold with our new venture. And Ryan, I think he has coined it toxic positivity. Is my approach to things. And somebody just recently, when I said that, I was like, everything's gonna work out. And they said, would a bum think that? Would a mother of five, they're struggling, you know, on food stamps, would they think that everything's gonna work out?

• 7:49Speaker 01

  The answer is, yes, there's plenty of bums, homeless, I assume, in that context, and mothers of five that think that. There's plenty of billionaires and millionaires, and on paper looking real good to all of us, that don't think that. Being practical, optimistic, or being cynical, negative, has nothing to do with the financial status or the on-paper status. Why do I know that? Because I'm 46, and now I've lived a little bit, a little bit. And I can name on both sides of the column dozens of each. I can name dozens of people who've got it great on paper. Everybody watching right now would be like, that looks good. Money, family, location, gender, rate, whatever you want to go with.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  That I know them personally, and they only believe everything's not gonna work out. They're anxious 24/7.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  And I know people on the left column, or the right column, depending on what side you're looking at the camera right now, who have plenty of ridiculous adverse situations. That was the advantage of growing up the way I did. I got unlimited that. Who are, "Everything's gonna work out." This concept of, I think, toxic positivity conversation. I haven't delved into it, so I'm not gonna talk shit, because I don't like talking about things I don't know. But it fascinates the [bleep] out of me. Because if you don't have optimism, the [bleep] do you have? Like, what are we doing here?

• 9:13Ryan Clark?

  Negativity. It gotta go either way.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, you know how they say you're never still? You're either moving forward or backwards? I always love that. I'm like, "That makes sense." It's not like, it feels like you might, like, but it's always one or the other. I'd like everyone on the other side of the camera to let me know, like, what?

• 9:27Ryan Clark?

  How has that type of positivity, for you though, affected your success? Because it could put you in a place to where sometimes you're thinking, "Everything's gonna work out," and you're so positive that you're lazy, right? That you sit back and you wait for it to happen. That wasn't the way you viewed the world. I mean, you built a company, bro, from 3 million to 60 million, and walked away with nothing. It would be hard for me to be positive about that.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  It was easy, because it was my dad's.

• 9:55Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  And I was so grateful for what my parents did by getting me to, out of the Soviet Union to America, that it always clouded everything. I'm like, "My parents [bleep] saved my ass." So I was always like, "Whatever I can do for them." Plus, all the [bleep] I put out on the internet that people like to, like, razz me for, and I love it. Like, the people that spoof me, or my friends, or like, even people that are haters. I believe it. I believe that the four of us on this show right now are young. I, please God, I would like to see you three men, and I, for sure, for myself, would like to live another 45, 50 years. That's a lot of time.

• 10:29Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Like, we're at halftime.

• 10:31Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  In that general range. That seems like a lot of time. So, for me, it was easy, because I left my dad's business at 34, and I was like, "I got 60 years to do my thing." And I checked that box that I want, I put the right perspective. To your point, I think, I call it practical optimism. Like, I don't believe in the, "I'm just gonna pray and it's gonna happen." It's all action. It's only action. You guys have accomplished what you've accomplished through action.

• 10:59Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  My big thing is that if you don't have optimism, I don't see how you're gonna put in the work required to get something awesome.

• 11:07Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  If you don't believe there's something on the other side, you're not gonna put in the work required to do something special. Or even something solid.

• 11:17Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I just saw one of your last posts. I think it was someone at 50 years old wanting to cash it in.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:24Fred Taylor?

  You know, and I like to tell these guys, they say, "Oh, you're old." I don't like to think that way, right? I like to say, you know, I'm 46.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Cause he's the old dude on the show, bro.

• 11:33Fred Taylor?

  I'm 46 like you, you know? But what I like to say, just that word for me, seems to have a negative connotation, right? Cause some people will give up, like you said. I like to say, "We're seasoned." You know, we're wise, we're experienced.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Wily vets.

• 11:47Fred Taylor?

  Because, "Oh shit, what do you do with it?"

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Throw it away.

• 11:50Fred Taylor?

  Seasoned stuff, you marinate it, it just can get better.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Well, Fred and Fred. For me, 46 is a ludicrous conversation, like...

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Like, Jesus, like, not real years.

• 12:00Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  And I play a lot of math, so for example, one great thing about business, and this is where being in sports, this is why I really loved being in the sports business, it's tough because you're conditioned to start thinking 30s. When you're a professional athlete, your brain, your whole life, you go into the locker room there, and you know, I assume rookie year, like, "There's the old dog, and he's 32."

• 12:22Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  So your brain's telling you that that's old.

• 12:26Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  In business, I just, actually today, I got off a one-hour meeting with a guy who's 66 years old. He's talking about a project that's gonna take him 20 years to build. So, he is 66, so for me, I've been in business, and I'm like, "Oh, in 20 years, I'm gonna be 66 like..." I did this today. "In 20 years, I'm gonna be 66 like him." And then I love to play this game. And 20 years ago, I was 26, and I'll make... That was 9, you know, I was like, "Okay, that was 9/11." "That's 100,000 years ago." And I start playing that game, and I'm like, "Damn, I got so much time." I just really, I actually have really begun to believe that humans... Poor relationship with time. Not actually understanding how much time they do have is what's fucking everybody up.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  That they're too anxious, they cut corners, they're not willing to put in the process.

• 13:15Channing Crowder?

  But you don't believe in retirement? You don't believe in an end?

• 13:18Speaker 01

  I don't, but, but I also think it's a very personal journey. Like when I travel, I meet a 69-year-old dude at like, in Florida during like, when I'm with my kids during downtime and I'll get into chatting and I'm pumped for that guy, he's like, "I fucking wrapped it up five years ago, I'm down here." You know, he'll make some funny joke, like, "I'm looking at the pretty girls in Miami, I've got my, you know, metal detector in the sand, I'm fishing." I love, I don't know why, I love the idea of somebody who really loves fishing, 10 hours a day, goes home, watches his sports.

• 13:49Channing Crowder?

  That's my goal.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Bro, that's amazing. Like honestly, on some real shit, there's a big part of me that envies that. There's a big part of me that goes, "Man, I wish my wiring was a little bit different, because that sounds fresh."

• 14:00Channing Crowder?

  But you can do it.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  But I don't want to. I can tell you right now, like if you opened me up right now and read my chemicals, I want to fucking do this for the rest of my life, I like it too much, comma. If I wake up at 71 and just, out of nowhere, you know how some people just do that shit and like, alright, I'm done. Like I do want to just fish, I'm very comfortable in fully following who I am. Right now as I sit here, maybe I'm too on fire, maybe I got too much to do. If at 63, 71, 57, 92, it's like, "Nah, I want to do this," that's fine. I only set one rule for myself, which is, I'm gonna listen to myself. I'm gonna be only focused on one thing. Who am I, how do I want to do it?

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Everything so far has worked out for me because the world caught up to me. Not I had to conform to the world, and I'm gonna keep playing that game.

• 14:55Channing Crowder?

  Is that push, is it about money? Because let's be honest, Gary, you got plenty money. Or is it about succeeding? Like what's that, the goal you're chasing? Everybody chases something.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  You're gonna love this. Recently, last three, four years, honestly, I'm curious. And this will make sense to you all. I'm just curious, how great at this thing am I?

• 15:20Ryan Clark?

  At life?

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yes, but, but in my profession. At life, yes. You took it to a place that I don't even usually go to. I'm like,

• 15:29Speaker 01

  I'm just curious how great of an all-time entrepreneur can I be? It's more out of like, I'm gonna go deep with you guys. You ever see like, you know how in the summer, they've got those lights and the bugs fly into it? They've got that blue light and the bugs just fly to it and buzz and they die? On some real shit. The last five, seven years, as I've gotten more in tune with myself on this, sometimes on a summer day, I'll watch it for like 10 minutes, and I'll laugh and talk to myself. I'm like, I'm one of those bugs. Like, they don't even know why, but they just are so attracted to the light and they're going. I'm so attracted to the process of seeing where I end up in the anvils of entrepreneurship, that I gotta see it. It's like, it's a burning desire.

• 16:11Ryan Clark?

  Here's why that's confusing to me, right? When someone is as accomplished as you are, has succeeded in the ways that you do,

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:20Ryan Clark?

  Like, at some point, life is about an end game, right? The, the journey is beautiful and everybody wants to enjoy the journey, but there's a destination for us all. Fred's one of the best football players I've ever played. I say that about him all the time. Like, for him, it would be okay. I'm retired now, can I get that Hall of Fame jacket?

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:38Ryan Clark?

  And for you, I wanna know where the satisfaction comes from? Because if you're, if you're continuously chasing that light, but you're never gonna burn up. You're never gonna, you're never gonna burst into flames. So, so where do you find a spot to chill, bro?

• 16:52Speaker 01

  This is even more fun, this answer.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  I've been there.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  I'm the most content, hungry person you'll ever meet in your life. If somebody came in this room right now and was like all weird and was like, "I'm a genie from the future and I gotta tell you something Gary Vee." Today, right now, this minute, while you're with these boys, this is the cap. Starting tomorrow, you're making decisions that never allows you to be as accomplished as you were right now. I'd be like, "Bet."

• 17:54Fred Taylor?

  So, does that allow you to be as passionate to see others win? Because you're content with yourself?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  That is a great question. I'm not sure if that's exactly it, but I have a crazy desire for it. Mainly because I don't, I think I see the world as outrageously abundant. Fred, I'll be honest with you, this will forever confuse me. The thought of not wanting somebody else to win because it might affect my winning is like the most foreign thought I've ever had. I just, now, in sport, I love sports. I love competing. There's a winner. You play ping pong, somebody's gotta win. I don't want the other person to win, I want to destroy their face. But in life, the world is abundant.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  And so, I don't know if my contentness matched with my desire and hunger is where that comes from. I just desperately think it would be nice if as many people as possible were happy. I just think shit would get real good.

• 18:57Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, real talk. That's real. But, no, but just in business, like, if McDonald's is growing stupid, Burger King's gonna drop. If stocks go up, something else gotta go down.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  You'll like this.

• 19:09Channing Crowder?

  No, no, no, it has to. Like, that's why the market, does the market the way it goes.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Maybe, but if the category's grown, so for example, in the 70s and 80s, that wasn't true because fast food was growing. Today, it definitely means it's a contracting because people are eating differently. By the way, VaynerMedia, V Friends, I'd like to beat, and you know what's funny, back to y'all? I actually learned this from sports. As a diehard fan...

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Jacksonville would beat our [__] ass 41-0 and then the game be over and Fred's like hugging Beasley. I'm like, "Bees, don't touch Fred, [__] Fred." Like, you know, I'm, you know-

• 19:45Ryan Clark?

  But that's just a Jet fan too.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Fair, fair. But, but fans, and I know everybody just laughed, fans hate it. Like, the hugging and the kissing afterwards. But I understand it, as I got older, every pitch for a new piece of business, I want Vayner to win. But when we lose, if I see the agency's people that won that business, I could be like, "Yo, how's your wife? How's your family?" Like, you want, you can, you can put it into the micro and the macro. In the micro, I'm trying to win everything. In the macro, I get it. And so ironically, something that bothered the shit out of me in my teenage years and my twenties and even my early thirties, became the way I became a businessman. Which was, "I will break your face on the field, but when it's triple zero, I'm gonna ask you if I can donate to your charity,

• 20:32Speaker 01

  or how's your daughter doing? Or, I met your uncle, he used to recruit me. How's he do?" Like, I can have that combo. And so that's how I see it.

• 20:39Ryan Clark?

  So in that, though, you've developed a passion for communicating the different things about your experiences that has allowed you to succeed to other people. And then not even just like the people in your circle, but those who are young Gary V's guys, you know? And like, the, the simple thing, you'd be like, "Hey, man, just get off your [__] phone." You know what I'm saying? Or, or go do this. What kind of sparked that in you to say, "Okay, I've gotten to this point. I've reached this level of success. Now let me reach back to the rest of the people and get them there."

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Two things. One, clarity for everybody listening. This is where I really am proud of this. A lot of what I talk about has less to do with me and more to do with what I've observed. So I think a lot of what I talk about is not just, "I've done it." I've looked at 5,000, 10,000 things. I'm like, "Oh, we're all doing this thing? Let me talk about that." Because sometimes shit's just too unique. You know, like, like you could tell, like, when you got, when people are like, "I want to be like you." Well, you might move your hips in a way that just that person doesn't move their, you know? So you're trying to find the common ground. That's one. Two, this is where I wish I was filming since I was 13. My favorite thing is that my grade school friends, I moved a couple times.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  I have a real different, I have like grammar school, high school and college and post-college friends. I have like four core groups. The thing I'm most proud of is I didn't really become known until my late 30s. So, all these people really know me. And, the thing you're talking about now, I didn't wake up at 40, or 42, or 45 and say, "You know what, let me give the kids some wisdom." I've been trying to drag anybody around me to win as well, back to that plus, my whole life. So, all I'm really doing now is just doing what I've done with anybody who's been around me, at scale, using social media. I've been wanting people to win alongside me. I get a bigger high when they're winning too, cuz I'm fed.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  And I was fed before I started. Like, I'm on some, you know, some people are very into the foofy-foofy, like, you know, the world's gotten very thoughtful. And so, people are deep meditation, people are deep crystals, and psychics, and all this stuff. There's this one theory that's been going around in a conversation in my world about like, "How many lives do you live? Are you like, are you on like, number 800, and that's why you're so wise?" I haven't gotten educated or deep enough into a lot of the foofy stuff, but god, let me tell you right now, I was way too wise at 6 years old. My, like, my emotional intelligence has been there from the get. And so, if, you know, if there's a theory that I could be sold on, on like,

• 23:25Speaker 01

  "Oh, I must be living my 800th life, and you might be on your 37th." That's one I could get tricked into, because I've always been there.

• 23:33Fred Taylor?

  I wanna get into NFTs, cuz he knows nothing about it.

• 23:37Ryan Clark?

  I don't even get them, Gary.

• 23:39Fred Taylor?

  But I'm pretty sure, much like, I'm trying to verse myself on it even more, right? But, I'm sure a lot of people that are watching, the same. So, and again, it's about seeing others win. And, a lot of times you speak about content and getting in, where you got in. You were doing a lot of stuff before everybody thought it was sexy, before they thought it was cool.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:00Fred Taylor?

  You know, early Coinbase investor, you invest early in a whole lot of things.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:04Fred Taylor?

  Can you break it down to the most simplest form?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  I can.

• 24:08Fred Taylor?

  NFT, and I also wanna know if your kids had any input?

• 24:11Ryan Clark?

  I needed it like, kindergarten form.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go kindergarten, cuz kindergarten is what we all need right now, it's so early.

• 24:17Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Let me give you some context. We're the same age, so this will definitely help. You guys are a little younger, but you should catch on to this. First... Kindergarten stuff. If everybody understood how the world reacted to the internet in 96, 95 and 97, all of this stuff would make more sense. Everybody thought the internet was a fad. People shit on it. People never, people just didn't believe. Social, all three of you should definitely know that. When Twitter and Facebook first hit, people didn't realize it was gonna change the world. So first you have to accept that big technologies come along. So you gotta get curious. Back to earlier, you gotta get curious. The first thing I would tell everybody who's watching, forget about what I'm about to say. Actually, if you're watching this show, listening to this show, spend 10 hours, Google.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  What did I do 18 months ago? What is an NFT? Enter in Google. What is an NFT? Enter in YouTube. And just 101, kindergarten shit, right? So first, everybody who's listening and watching, you owe it to yourself to not just dismiss it because your one friend said so, or because your one friend got it stolen, or they lost some money, or they made some money. You can't just make an opinion on that. You gotta do homework. That's number one. Number two. An NFT, the biggest reason that people are struggling with NFTs right now is they're using their internet knowledge to the blockchain. So all of us, everybody behind the scenes of this camera right now, we know what the internet is. We've been living it for 25 years. The blockchain's different. It's not the internet. It's a ledger that can prove ownership. What does that mean?

• 25:49Speaker 01

  It means you can own digital shit. You couldn't own digital shit on the internet for everybody. You could own it inside of something. You could buy a sheep on Farmville back in the day and own it. You could own a Candy Crush thing, but you could only own it inside of Candy Crush or Farmville. Or Fortnite, or Roblox, or Minecraft. What the blockchain does is lets you own it to the whole world and everybody has to accept it. So you're owning something digital. Let's break this down for a minute. The four of us are all wearing Nikes. Only, what are we in, 2020? Only 50 years ago, which is like, there weren't branded sneakers.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  People just wear fucking sneakers. No pre-Converse, definitely pre-Nike. People just bought 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 dollar shoes and they just wore them. Today, all 4 of our sneakers cost extra than a base sneaker because it's a specific sneaker. That's how fashion works. What I believe is gonna happen with NFTs is 2 things. A, an NFT stands for non-fungible token, that means nothing, just like HTTP or WWW means nothing on the internet. It means you own something digitally. Why is the big question? Why would you wanna own something digitally? It goes to 2 places. One, the place I was just going. Because people want to flex and communicate.

• 27:10Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  All of us right now, if you look at the 4 of us, what we wear, what jewelry we have, what tattoos we have, what clothes we wear, everything we're doing right now. Hair, hat, chain, sneakers, everything the 4 of us are doing right now was by subconscious choice to talk to the world.

• 27:28Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  This is who I am. That is a huge deal and it's a frothy thing to talk about with NFTs, but it will be the reason NFTs are huge. The same reason people care about how many followers they have on social media, the same reason they care if they have a blue checkmark, they don't own that, they don't hold it, is the same reason NFTs are gonna be big. People are gonna collect and own NFTs to communicate to the world who they are. Number 2. NFT technology is gonna eat up a lot of functional parts of the world. For example, every sporting event's tickets to the game in 15 years will be an NFT, not a QR code. Why? Because technically it makes more sense.

• 28:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  For the league, the NFL, for the teams, the Jags, Jets, Steelers, and on, it's better for them to issue it as an NFT because if God willing, something magical happens that day, well then that becomes an asset, it gets sold, and they're gonna make a royalty commission on it. Right now, it's a QR code.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Go to eBay right now and type in, everybody who's listening, go to eBay right now. I know only five of you are gonna do this, but you're gonna learn. Type in "used tickets", hit Enter, hit "completed auctions", and just watch how much money is spent every day on used tickets of a concert or a sporting event.

• 28:45Ryan Clark?

  So, for, cuz like this is what happens. One, every single business call we have, Gary Vee, somebody on the call goes, "I know Ryan doesn't care about this." Every single pivot business call.

• 28:57Fred Taylor?

  That would be me.

• 28:58Ryan Clark?

  And it's mostly for it, right? And so, I'm the nervous guy with money. I'm the undrafted free agent. I wanna save money, I wanna make smart investments. So, I'm a person that doesn't know about NFT, but I know about Twitter.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 29:12Ryan Clark?

  And then I see some dude buys, uh, what, Jack Dorsey's first tweet.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Huge mistake.

• 29:17Ryan Clark?

  As an NFT.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Huge mistake.

• 29:18Ryan Clark?

  For what, how much was valued at a certain thing?

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Millions of dollars.

• 29:21Ryan Clark?

  And it sold for pennies.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Cuz that was the same reason that Pets.com was worth billions. If you look back at early internet, all those internet companies were worth billions of dollars, they all went to zero. The same reason all of last year, I made videos every day. 98% are going to zero, 98% are going to zero, 98% are... I like what you're doing, right? I recommend what you're doing. What I don't, I recommend what you're doing in the micro, I need you to do 20 hours of homework in the macro.

• 29:48Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Buying things frivolously, like a turtle with a cigar in its mouth for $20,000, that's smart. Don't do that. But dismissing it because of that is the mistake a lot of smart people are making.

• 30:02Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Understanding that this is the biggest technology infrastructure we've seen since the internet. For me, back to how young we are, you're gonna pay your taxes, you're gonna buy homes on the blockchain cuz it's better technology. Just like we order food now. Like when I said, "I'm gonna put my dad's liquor store on the internet", every person in 1996 said, "Why would people buy wine on the internet?" Or even better, I remember everyone's like, "Who's gonna buy wine on the internet?" And my answer was, "Everyone." And they thought that was crazy. They're like, "Why don't I just go to the store?" I'm like, "'Cause it's better." It's better to buy on the internet. It's why dating happened that way. All my friends used to laugh at me when I told them everyone was gonna online date, because when we were kids, that was like, "You were a dork." That was weird shit. That was like, "You live in your mom's basement. That ain't cool."

• 30:46Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  And I kept saying, "Yes, for now, but eventually, it's better." I'm like, I remember telling my friends in the dorm room, like, "Wouldn't it be awesome to just sit here, lay down, and just, and then you like, meet at like, you don't have to put in work." It's better. It's better technology. And that's why NFTs are gonna win. It's a better technology for a lot of things. These paintings. Why do people buy an Andy Warhol? To communicate. They want their friends to come over and be like, "Yo, look at this $500,000 painting I have." You know, but that's a lot of work. And when you wanna sell it, a lot of work. NFTs, click, click, click, click. So the whole collecting and art thing will go that way. Sports cards. When I wanna sell some Fred rookie cards on eBay, I gotta list it, I gotta post it, somebody's gotta buy it, and then I gotta ship it, and this and that.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Now, click, click, click, click, click. But then, more importantly, back to why the NFL will do this, and other people do it. There's just so much value in the companies that issue the NFTs to issue them. And we on the other side, from the paper tickets that we used to go and bring to sporting events, then it was an email confirmation, now it's a QR code in the app. We don't give a shit, we just need to get in the stadium. And that's why it's gonna play out.

• 31:57Channing Crowder?

  And I gotta say, half, half the fun of getting a woman is the chase.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the chase because-

• 32:02Channing Crowder?

  It's running through the Sahara and getting the gazelle.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  But the question is, what's the Sahara? For some people, the Sahara is at the club and the bar. For other people, it's the wordsmithing. The Sahara's the Sahara, depending on how you just find it. Right?

• 32:17Channing Crowder?

  Hey, that's real right there.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Right? And as you can imagine, for, especially, we got a room full of guys. Listen, a lot of guys are scared of rejection. And that rejection in your face at the bar holds you back. But the rejection on online was tempered and didn't feel as bad. You didn't have to do it in front of your friends. And there's always pros and cons. Everybody tries to make like, these things like, "This was good, this was bad." It's always the middle. For certain people, it's better. For other people, it's not. And that's okay. Here's the one thing I would say for all the listeners and for you three. Technology doesn't get the fuck what we think. Technology doesn't give a shit on our four opinions and everybody who's watching.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Shit's gonna happen and it's our job to either grab the surfboard and ride that wave or let that wave crash us. And every time someone says no, they're just setting up for a wave to kill them.

• 33:10Ryan Clark?

  Wow. So you've given us so much knowledge already. You talked about the things that you've developed, companies you've invested in, the knowledge that you have just about simple investments. But the one thing I said riding over here, I was like, we all know he's a genius. We all know business-wise, he gets it, he gives out information, he wants to see other people win. For us, winning is also family.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:35Ryan Clark?

  How do you have time to do family and kids and those different things?

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Easy.

• 33:40Ryan Clark?

  And still be this entrepreneur, a serial successful entrepreneur?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Only because my content output confuses people. I've been so smart on how I produce content that I'm just so, on every platform, high volume, it's like, Gary Vee's always on. I'm like, have you noticed though, I'm wearing the same t-shirt in this clip? This was a two-hour talk that I made 39 pieces of content. Most people make content. I live my life and produce content on the backend. So there was this thing where I was meeting with this kid, it went super viral from years ago. The kid's like, how, how, how? And he finally like got me into this mindset, I was like, because you have to document, not create. And it clicked for a lot of people. So for me, like, I'm like, weekends checked out, six, five, six, seven weeks of vacation.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Like, listen, I work hard, but like the reality is, it's not super hard because it's a priority of mine. I want to be with my friends and family.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  I just think I'm very effective and efficient when I'm on the field. You know, a lot of people like, sleep is a big one. I tell people all the time, like, I sleep seven hours a day. And they're like, nah, you, I'm like, yes. I'm like, it's just the other 17 hours are productive as fuck. Like, you know, it's about efficiency. And so, and it's also what we were talking about earlier. I think the thing that I try to take a step back and be introspective, I'm like, oh, okay, I love my shit so much. And again, actually, this will be fun to say for people listening, when I got into the sports world, my brother AJ, we rep about 50 NFL players now, so we're really in it.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  And the thing that blew me away when we got into the game, we got in early, uh, excuse me, we were in the process early. We bought a small firm that had really one great player, Matt Paritas, the center in Carolina now is in Denver. And, you know, we start doing it, we're recruiting kids first couple of years. And I'll never forget, I called AJ and I was like, "Man, some of these guys don't love ball at all."

• 35:41Speaker 00

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• 36:11Speaker 01

  And it was, I actually was excited about it. It was confusing to me because I love my thing. Of course, like many entrepreneurs, I wish I could have balled, right? But I was actually happy about it, I was like, "Okay, they don't love it, they're just very thoughtful and they're like, "This is how I'm gonna be financially sound", just like somebody going to college or something of that nature. But what I realized is like, so much of what I am is, I don't know who you think, and maybe you're that person, who the, out of all the years you played, starting at the beginning, whenever it was, who loved it the most? Like, you know, I'm sure you guys have teammates that retired three years too late because they just were like, "Fuck it, I'm not going until they drag my ass out."

• 36:51Ryan Clark?

  Some guys haven't even retired here.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  I know, I know. And so, I've always, one of the biggest reasons I wanted to get into sports business and, is because I want to teach a lot of athletes that entrepreneurship might be a taste of it. It's not gonna be the same, it's, they're all different contexts. I've never experienced 60,000, 80,000 people cheering for you on the field, but I, I can tell you that what confuses a lot of people with me, and back to like, never wanting to retire,

• 37:19Speaker 01

  My guys, I love this so much. I got D's and F's my whole life in school as a smart kid because I couldn't even give school one second. All I wanted to do in 4th grade to this second is start businesses, sell shit, be an entrepreneur, work.

• 37:35Fred Taylor?

  A lot of athletes are that way. You know, a lot of athletes that way. But you mentioned the field, much like you mentioned Sahara. The field, you know, when you, when you sit back and look at it, you're in the field, you're just competitive. Just in a different sense.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  100%. And, and my whole life, Fred, I wanted to be you. And then somewhere around 6 years ago, I was like, damn, wait a minute, entrepreneurship's not, not that it was better. I'm very grateful, you know, for you guys. Unfortunately, like, you know, time is undefeated in sports. You could be the great, we've seen it. The greatest of all time eventually hit that place. And even if it's late, it's, it's gonna happen. With this thing, I can be 96. And you're just kind of like, and I'm watching. One thing I do is watch. Like I said earlier, when I wanted to give you guys some flowers, because I'm really proud of you fellas, because I really think you're doing it and on your way. I watch 70, 80, 90-year-old entrepreneurs, still doing it.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  And I see it. And like, of course, for some people, especially start getting to 80 to 90, your energy level, the brains, you know, and I, I watch it. But you can do this thing for quite a long time if you love it. And so I think what confuses people of like, does he have time? Is this all he does? They're just mixing my passion. My passion for this is so high. There's not a lot of people I actually think on earth, I can only be tied with people for loving what they do. And you know what's crazy? Do you know what the closest comp I had for it? It was my mother being a mother. When my brother AJ, who's 11 years younger than me, left for college, my mom was depressed. And I was caught off guard. She was a young woman. You know, she had me when I was in the old country, 20.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  She was 31 when she had AJ, so she was 49, 48, you know, when AJ went to school. And she was, you know, that empty nest thing that they talk about. She was dead. And I remember at first I was concerned and worried and upset and tried to make her feel better. And then I took a step back. I'm like, man, this woman really lived her dream life. She wanted to be a mom. Mom was her ultimate. It was who she was built to be. And she's just dealing with like, damn, I'm not gonna be that. I'm gonna always be a mom, but this is different now. And it kind of remind me a little bit about sports. I'm like, damn.

• 39:50Fred Taylor?

  I want to get into your little ones. You have two kids, right? How do they inspire you? I know they motivate you. But how do they inspire you? Did they have any inspiration or input into V Friends?

• 40:02Speaker 01

  They didn't have any input or inspiration to V Friends other than the subconscious nature of like, them going through their childhood and all those shows were probably around. But I was very affected by, by really 80s cartoons like He-Man and, you know, Voltron and Thundercats.

• 40:20Fred Taylor?

  And V Friends is his NFT, fellas. I'm gonna catch you up to speed. I learned that yesterday when I was Googling. So V Channing, V Friends is his NFT. Could you break it down for Channing?

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Is there a kiosk at the mall? Not yet. Not yet. But, but, you know, there are any characters. It really is Sesame Street meets Pokemon. You know, empathy elephant, patient panda, these, these characters. I'm gonna do kids books and video games and kiosks in the mall. When I said not yet, I wasn't joking. I'm taking it from the digital to the physical. I want to build an amusement park like Sesame Place or Action Park or Great Adventure.

• 41:00Fred Taylor?

  As part of a utility?

• 41:01Speaker 01

  In the next 50 years, yes. And as they get older, you know, it's cool, right? Like, you get to see them become people and like...

• 41:10Speaker 01

  They're tenacious, both of them, which I really admire. I really admire tenacity.

• 41:15Channing Crowder?

  Man, because you talk about people and being an entrepreneur, you depend on people.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 41:20Channing Crowder?

  You talked about it, and then you have this saying right here, "Don't worry about your bank account. Worry about the people that show up to your funeral."

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:25Channing Crowder?

  But there are good and bad people in this world.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 41:28Channing Crowder?

  How do you decipher that? And when you figure out that this person is not helpful towards what Gary Vee's vision is, how do you cut them off? How do you get away from that?

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Now you're going to a place that I had to be vulnerable about recently. So I've, I tend to, I come from a family where like complaining is like the devil. Like, our immigrant DNA, like, we just don't complain. Like, and that's actually amazing and has been foundational for me. But as I've gotten older, I'm like, okay, there's some shortcomings in that. Because then you're really like, not letting people fully in, you're not being vulnerable. People don't really know what is like going on. And so candor is something I struggled with. So let me answer a couple of things. First, I think of it the same way I think of everything. Good, bad, you know, light, darkness. You know, when you come, first I rely on my intuition.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  I've always had good spidey senses. Like, I've met people along the way. First seconds of meeting them, like, this doesn't feel good, and I'm out. And so I've relied on that my whole life. Many people can get in, especially at the, we got 2,000 employees. People get in without me vetting them now. Usually, when I see negativity, people that hate on me in social or bad apples in my universe, usually my first reaction is compassion. And, and I know when people hear this, like, this guy, I'm like, okay. But like I'm telling you, my brain goes into, what is fucking this person up? Did they have a bad mama? Because I've lived a long time operating. I've had people who've gone from good to bad. You sit down with them, instead of you're fired, and go, yo, what's up?

• 43:06Speaker 01

  And they're like, "I'm sorry, but my wife was just diagnosed with terminal cancer." All of a sudden, you're like, of course you're not nice to Karen. You're barely holding on.

• 43:14Channing Crowder?

  I love that you hate Karen, too. I like that.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  But you know what I mean? You're barely holding on in the office. And so I love compassion. I'm always quick to be like, you suck? Let me try to love you first before I hate you back. The biggest reason America's fucked up right now is we hate on hate. We're just... To me, I'm like, "Let me love you first." And by the way, 6 out of 10 times, it's a beautiful rap from there. They're so thankful somebody brought some love to them instead of hate, and you go on to the Hall of Fame in that relationship. 4 out of 10 times, it's not gonna work out. It's too deep, you can't help 'em. You know, whatever it is. But, for me, I think it's just about over-communicating where I stand. If it doesn't work out, you have to fire. I was so bad at firing people my whole career

• 44:01Speaker 01

  that I would dance, dance, around it. Every person that's ever worked for me at my dad's liquor store and at Vayner that doesn't love me is only because of the way I sloppily fired them. It's a big regret of my career. There's definitely a dozen to two dozen people. And it's tough, right? Because I actually have a low rate to fire. Like, I like to develop people. You know, back to sports. Like, I like developing that UDFA third year from practice squad. Like, I love that dream. So I love seeing someone like, "Let me put in some time." Because A, either it'll work out for us, or B, I'll have some karma points because they'll go into the world and do good things. So it takes a lot to get fired with me. Like, you gotta kinda really stink.

• 44:45Ryan Clark?

  So you really gotta stink.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  And to me, I'm like, that was always my threshold. I'm like, "You stink. What are you mad at me for?" But, I realized I was doing a bad job because I wasn't communicating that they stunk. One of the reasons most people stink is they're not self-aware. You guys know, right? All the people that complain like, "Coach is [bleep] me up." Coach isn't [bleep] you up. You aren't in the playbook. You aren't putting in the rep. But they love to blame. And they're super not self-aware. So I was getting caught up. But now, I call it kind candor. I tell people with as much compassion and empathy as I can. I'm like, "Look, this is not working out. So let's start building. Either are you ready to make a U-turn? And can you build and listen to us? Or, let me help you exit gracefully."

• 45:27Channing Crowder?

  So when you say sloppily fire people, what do you, what do you mean by that?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Early in my career, out of, like on Tuesday, I'd be like, Stan, you're doing, you're great, Stan, you're awesome, I love you, brother. And on Friday, I'd be like, Stan, you're fired. They'd be like, what the [bleep] Tuesday? Tuesday, you said we were brothers. So that was bad. Other times, if I was really close to them, because I get close. I just couldn't even get there. I'd be like, Dad, can you fire Rick? And then Rick's like, I mean, never even talked to your dad, the [bleep] you. That was bad. Here, over the 13 years, similar to the Stan one, I do a review meeting with somebody, they got nothing but shit that they suck at. I spend the entire 15 minutes telling them what they're awesome at. Four months later, they get fired, they're like, you know, like, I was never able to be candorous because I didn't like hurting people's feelings. I over, I over went there, which created entitlement,

• 46:16Speaker 01

  which created people not knowing where they stood with me. The reason I changed was the number one thing I think a leader's job is, is to eliminate fear. Is my number one belief. If you're a leader, parent, business owner, president, like, number one rule, eliminate fear. A lot of people weaponize fear in the reverse, but I think it's elimination. When I realized people here were scared, because after a decade of doing it, people are like, yo, Gary will like pat you on the back, but in six months, you could be fired because he's not going to tell you it's not going well. I'm like, I'm trying to be nice in the micro, but I'm [bleep] it up in the macro. People are scared.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Not, not junior people, not, because it was the senior people. Because that was the ones I was most interacting with. I was like, I gotta change this. It was a really humbling moment for me. I was really sad. I don't know what else to tell you. I was like, damn. Because I, back to earlier part of this interview, like, I'm trying to go for it. And I think the Hall of Fame of what I do is not just the money. Bezos and Musk, some of these people are going to make more money than I'm going to make. I want to be the greatest entrepreneur because I did enough to put me on the board financially, because I don't, I know I can't get it any other way. Like, nobody will give me that roses if I don't. But I want to be one of the great enablers of other entrepreneurs.

• 47:41Channing Crowder?

  And one quick, because you brought up fear. A man like you, what are your fears? What are your insecurities? Because your confidence is through the damn roof.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  My confidence is through the damn roof in life. I am petrified of my own health.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Like, I don't want to wake up and be like, "Oh, my side hurts", and go to the doctor, and the doctor's like, "You're gonna die." I'm incredibly fearful of that. Like, like, like, I don't even like saying it, like, like, me and the 12 people I love the most, I just want them to live forever. I'm not, I'm, I'm way better than I was 10 years ago. I think it comes with age. But, man, if we're, if we're being transparent here, I'm petrified of health. Because everything else, I'm in control.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  When you're born with little and you're happy, you're an unstoppable force. When I was 5, 6, right?

• 48:30Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  When I was 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and like, yeah, exactly, like, I got real goosebumps right now in this one. I don't need money to be happy, I'm happy. So like, when you have that, you're not scared. And I know that I can flip the script on any perspective. I'm always gonna be happy. I don't need shit, I'll live in a studio apartment in Queens again and be happy as to rise up again. Like, I'll be on some Rocky shit, you know? But the health thing scares me.

• 48:58Fred Taylor?

  When you are in the shoes of Woody Johnson, when that day comes.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:05Fred Taylor?

  And if Zach Wilson throws an interception to said DB,

• 49:11Fred Taylor?

  how do you?

• 49:11Speaker 01

  I'm very concerned.

• 49:12Fred Taylor?

  We're talking about how you respond to your employees here.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  I'm very concerned, I'm very concerned. I wanna be transparent, so we can play these clips in 30 years when I'm doing it. I am, one of the things that I'm excited about being the Jets owner is, there's no fan of the Jets at that time that's gonna be, I'm gonna be like, "Fuck you, I'm a bigger fan than you." So like, that relationship with the fans is gonna be amazing, 'cause I'm a real fan, and I can really reminisce and know the history, and I've watched every play of a Jets game since 1982, so I'm in it.

• 49:40Fred Taylor?

  Is it kinda Mark Cuban-ish?

• 49:42Speaker 01

  I think Mark's done a really good job, actually. If you look at Dirk, if you look at what I perceive, I could be wrong, well, time will play out. Luka, like, I think, I think he plays a good version of it. Um, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, so, you know, for all the people that work in that organization, they know. I know a couple things. One, I'm in control of who the GM is.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  So the way I run this organization is definitely gonna be a preview to the Jets. I get to decide who the GM is. Who she or he is.

• 50:15Ryan Clark?

  I want to do that one day.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Got you, right. So I, I feel great about I hired him or her, but I'm not going to do their job. Like, I don't know which owners, you know, you hear about Jerry, you think about like in basketball, like the joke with LeBron being the G, like, for me, whoever the GM is, she or he is going to be the fucking GM. I may ask for the seventh round pick, just because, you know, they get the UDFA. I'd like to maybe play, but like, as far, I would never, ever, ever, I only believe in good, good culture. I would never, even though I'd want to, and if people could record me being mad in the owner's box, but I would never struggle with, you know, a five interception game or things of that nature. I, I think I know how to build a winning organization, but I'm a fan first.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  You know, the Jets were one of the first clients of Ainter Media, and the first thing I told them was, "Do not hire us because I'm fan first." And it played out. Sanchez threw five picks against Buffalo in his rookie year, and I, and I love Mark. Him and I have become close. I tweeted out, "Fuck you Sanchez," and the president of the Jets was like, "Yo!" And I was like, and I was crazy. They called me on some like, "They're the client, they have say shit," and he's like, "Hey!" And I was like, "You hey? I fucking told you I'm fan first."

• 51:29Ryan Clark?

  I love that.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  So.

• 51:31Ryan Clark?

  Speaking of fan first, I just need one favor. You said you were a fan of the show.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:36Ryan Clark?

  And we love that. A few years ago, you predicted that Joe Rogan would get 100 mil. Whenever you're doing something and you just outknee streets, and somebody asks you, and somebody asks you about the pivot, can you throw the 100 mil out for us?

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Listen, can I, can I throw something for the pivot for you guys? Couple things. One, this show, there's a lot of people back home, like, you guys have to pump out as much TikTok content as humanly possible. So this episode, take three or four or five clips, pump out TikTok. Right now, there's a 12 to 18 month window that I've seen before, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, MySpace back in the day. The reason Dane Cook and Teala Tequila were famous, it's all the same game. When there's a platform that's giving you more reach than you already have by just posting, you fucking post.

• 52:29Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  You know, back to football, there was a Jets Raiders game in 1994 where the Raiders ran the ball 27 times in a row. And to this day, I still don't understand. I mean, I do understand because I know the sport pretty well. But I still believe in what the Raiders did against the Jets that game. And you guys definitely know this. Sometimes, the matchup is just the matchup. And the play will work every time. And there's a part of you as an offensive coordinator and as an organization. You're thinking about a lot of things like contract. There's a million things running through an head coach. But like, sometimes, you just run the ball 27 plays in a row. Even in the NFL, you would have loved it.

• 53:10Ryan Clark?

  Not just the running, but...

• 53:11Speaker 01

  The concept, the concept, right? Because it probably lands for you guys. Because we don't see that. Even when it's obvious, they gotta mix it up. Because, you know, the receivers might be... I understand the 360 version of it. You run it every play, the receivers are gonna come and be like, you know. And receivers, you know how they are. And so, that's what TikTok is right now. I keep putting out this content for the last three years. Make TikTok, make TikTok, make TikTok. People hear me, but they don't hear me. So I think your show can take another quantum leap. If every episode, you're making four, five, seven, 12 pieces of TikTok per episode and putting it out there. You guys are on your way. You have a real show here. Like, I'm good at what I do. I've been early on a lot of things. Very quickly, I'm like, this has a shot.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  And then, I see you guys moving. It's about post-production for social media that will take you to the next step.

• 54:02Ryan Clark?

  Man, well, thank you. Listen, we get Gary Vee advice for free. I'm all in, man.

• 54:07Channing Crowder?

  I was taking notes, man. I was looking at my phone, I was writing stuff down.

• 54:11Ryan Clark?

  Thank you so much for your time.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Thank you, fellas.

• 54:14Ryan Clark?

  The platform we try to provide is to help people, but also, it helps us learn, man. We learned a ton from you today, man.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  A real pleasure.

• 54:22Ryan Clark?

  Thank you so much, bro.

• 54:23Channing Crowder?

  I love it, man. Thank you, man.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  So much fun.

• 54:25Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate you, fam.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Such a pleasure.

• 54:26Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir. My bad about that, too, bro.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  I loved watching you play.

• 54:30Ryan Clark?

  I appreciate it, man.

• 55:06Speaker 05

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