How Did This Get Rigged? The NBA Poker Scam w/ Paul Scheer & Jason Mantzoukas

Laci welcomes back comedians, actors, and podcasters Paul Scheer and Jason Mantzoukas (How Did This Get Made?), and the pair immediately have a bone to pick with the studio: why is there a Chewbacca mural on the wall instead of one of them? Paul, Jason, and Laci then bond over their shared distrust of AI on social media before diving into a wild FBI sting that exposed former NBA players and coaches like Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones, who were allegedly involved in rigged poker games. Backed by the Mafia, the operation used insider information to cheat at sports betting on a multi-million-dollar scale. Stay schemin’! Listen to How Did This Get Made? wherever you get your podcasts. CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci How Did This Get Made? Podcast: @HDTGM Paul Scheer: @paulscheer Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/current-and-former-national-basketball-association-players-and-four-other-individuals https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/terry-rozier-tax-lien-sports-betting-ring/ https://www.wsj.com/sports/basketball/nba-gambling-scandal-damon-jones-lebron-james-8a8f4f77?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqeaEzJTg4cht94T_OTRX8F97Huk54E3ijkntEnw6hLa9uRb3g4fWZcRz1Z86GE%3D&gaa_ts=69028121&gaa_sig=ygd3QlDvRJwbSjj9LqwuqIFelkFOD2AAQb4Xqj3sAmJsBIx8DMxsGnvzELsBJn988iMAwXtsdrwEpwiVDQgk0Q%3D%3D https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/nyregion/nba-gambling-scandal-explained.html https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46695228/sources-terry-rozier-arrested-part-gambling-inquiry https://www.sportingnews.com/us/tsn/news/biggest-gambling-scandals-sports-history-bet/df2d2288eca5e3ba71738ecd https://nypost.com/2025/10/27/us-news/alleged-nba-poker-scammer-pookie-painted-portraits-for-celebrities-and-singers/

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• 1:06Speaker 03

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• 1:57Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:58Speaker 04

  Okay-ish.

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• 2:02Speaker 04

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• 2:26Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, the host of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. It is a comedy podcast, I will remind you. First up, I do want to let y'all know that the tickets for Scam Goddess Live are on sale. Y'all know I'm coming to Chicago, New York, Dallas, which is my hometown. So y'all better show out, okay? My mama will be there. And San Francisco. So you can get those tickets now on Live Nation, Ticketmaster, pull up. Let's have a good time, honey, let's key. Now, y'all know, y'all already know, I'm very what? Yes, excited, elated, ecstatic. We have two amazing iconic guests today,

• 3:10Laci Mosley?

  two people that I have... I have to pause, y'all, um, because I'm a little gagged. Two people that I have worshipped in comedy and also had the privilege of doing comedy with. I'm so excited that they're here. They are two-thirds of the podcast royalty, honey. Truly, these guys are some of the funniest people that I literally have ever met. First up, we have a gentleman you know from The League, Black Monday, Veep, and oh, yes, he's a full-on director. Our other equally brilliant guest is known for The League, The Good Place, Big Mouth, Invincible, and so much more. Together, they co-host the iconic podcast, How Did This Get Made? Alongside Paul's gorgeous and equally impressive

• 3:52Laci Mosley?

  baddie-wife, June Diane Rossell, period. Congregation, please rise, wherever you are. Stand up in your car at a red light. And help me welcome Paul Scheer and Jason Mantzoukas back to the show.

• 4:05Speaker 06

  Yes, in person.

• 4:07Speaker 07

  This is big.

• 4:09Speaker 06

  This is so much better.

• 4:11Speaker 07

  Jason and I, obviously, we have a Sirius XM show. I believe this is maybe the second time I've been in the Sirius building.

• 4:17Speaker 06

  Yes, truly.

• 4:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes, that's what Jess was telling me. She was like, Paul is gonna come in the building.

• 4:23Speaker 06

  Never, never, almost never. And so what a treat, not just to be in the, be in the building, but to be with you here in the studio.

• 4:32Speaker 07

  The real show. Now, here's the thing, we're walking down the hallway. They have, you know, big posters of, you know, Sirius talent. And I, and I see Mark Anthony, I see Cher, and then I see Chewbacca. Now, is Chewbacca doing a podcast?

• 4:48Speaker 06

  And, and there's a Chewbacca, but there's not, there's no Lacey? There's no Paul and Jason?

• 4:53Speaker 07

  No. Chewbacca has a full, like, this is not a Disney-owned corporation. I don't know why Chewbacca has his own banner.

• 5:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 07

  And we don't.

• 5:02Laci Mosley?

  And was he in here? Was he on the line?

• 5:04Speaker 06

  Does he have a show?

• 5:05Laci Mosley?

  Like, what is he?

• 5:05Speaker 07

  Is he on Shade 45?

• 5:07Laci Mosley?

  Probably. Like, he's probably been on all the Andy Cohen franchises.

• 5:11Speaker 06

  He's on, he's on Watch What Happens Live.

• 5:14Speaker 07

  He does the Andy Co- uh, Andy Cohen morning show. And then he does just kind of like a mixtape show late at night.

• 5:20Speaker 06

  He did, I did see him bartend on an episode of Watch What Happens Live.

• 5:24Laci Mosley?

  See, that I could believe, Jason. He would be good at that, but talking?

• 5:28Speaker 06

  No.

• 5:28Speaker 07

  No.

• 5:29Laci Mosley?

  In the business of talking? Why does he have a photo in the business of talking?

• 5:32Speaker 06

  And none of us do.

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  He famously does not talk.

• 5:35Speaker 07

  Do you want, well, he talks.

• 5:36Speaker 06

  He talks.

• 5:36Speaker 07

  You just don't understand him.

• 5:37Speaker 06

  And we've made, to be clear, we've made-

• 5:39Laci Mosley?

  I'm being gaslit.

• 5:40Speaker 06

  We've made no- None of us, truthfully, have made any effort to learn that language, you know?

• 5:45Speaker 07

  You want to talk about a scam? Have you heard about the parents who only taught their kid Klingon?

• 5:51Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 07

  And then, like, the Child Protective Services had to take that child away.

• 5:55Laci Mosley?

  As they should.

• 5:56Speaker 07

  Well, they should, but it is a language.

• 5:58Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, but, but who knows? I mean, the parents might have been preparing that child to be part of the Klingon empire.

• 6:05Speaker 07

  And there you go. That's what we need to get to the bottom of.

• 6:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay, on one side, I'm like, it is a language and everything is made up. Everything is made up.

• 6:14Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 6:15Laci Mosley?

  English is made up?

• 6:16Speaker 06

  Yes, absolutely.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  Why do we have scent, scent and scent? And they're all spelled differently and they mean different things?

• 6:21Speaker 06

  For sure. Homonyms are a disaster.

• 6:23Speaker 07

  I live, uh, down the block from a French school. And many people in my neighborhood-

• 6:28Speaker 06

  Get rid of it.

• 6:29Speaker 07

  Get it out. No, but many people bring their kids there. And what they do is they do all their schooling in French, which I've, I'm always trying to wrap my head-

• 6:37Laci Mosley?

  I think I know that French school. I have some friends who, whose kids go to that French school.

• 6:41Speaker 07

  And it's an interesting thing. It's like, all right, so you are going to- You immerse your kids in French is, I mean, is it wrong to immerse your kid in Klingon? I mean, we have to get to the bottom of it. I don't know.

• 6:52Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I feel like Klingon is better than French in America. Like, if you, if you're gonna learn a language at school, you need to learn Spanish. There are Comic Con's every weekend.

• 7:00Speaker 06

  I feel like there are more people who speak Klingon than speak Chewbacca's language, so much so that why, why aren't there? I was gonna say, I mean, his planet is Kashyyyk.

• 7:11Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. What do you call it?

• 7:12Speaker 06

  Like, does Sirius get to Kashyyyk?

• 7:14Speaker 07

  I mean, I would love it.

• 7:15Speaker 06

  If anything, like, Worf should have a show in Klingon for the Klingon listener.

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  I'm standing on business. Chewbacca's gaslighting us. He not saying nothing.

• 7:24Speaker 07

  Take the Chewbacca poster down, Sirius.

• 7:27Laci Mosley?

  Sirius, we want to get rid of the Chewbacca poster. You heard it here first.

• 7:31Speaker 07

  Shake it down. Replace it with us.

• 7:33Speaker 06

  Take it down. What are we doing? Who, who are the stars? What are the shows?

• 7:37Speaker 07

  Chewbacca doesn't even have a show. We need someone to check this out.

• 7:40Speaker 06

  People are saying to you, "We love Scam Goddess," right?

• 7:43Speaker 07

  Yes, we're coming to you. We're seeing your live show.

• 7:45Speaker 06

  Chewbacca.

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  How did this get made? You guys are filling up ears with people. Thousands of people. And, and then motherfucking Chewbacca, like, no, listen. Replacement Theory, the racist got it wrong, okay? It was never the brown people. It was always Chewbacca.

• 8:00Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 8:01Speaker 07

  All I'm gonna say is this.

• 8:02Speaker 06

  He's the problem.

• 8:03Speaker 07

  Chewbacca is the problem. You know what? End of episode. We did it.

• 8:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, we did it. We did it.

• 8:09Laci Mosley?

  Sit me down. Sit me down.

• 8:10Speaker 06

  I'm sorry. I just wanna make sure. We're canceling Chewbacca, right?

• 8:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, we have to. We had to get it out.

• 8:15Speaker 06

  That's the goal of this podcast?

• 8:17Speaker 07

  We have to make sure people know Chewbacca has had it too easy. Too easy.

• 8:23Laci Mosley?

  Just 'cause we can't understand him. We know what's going on. Now, I have to ask you both, and you've kind of already started in on it, but what is your relationship with scams right now? Are there any scams that are in the zeitgeist that you like? Have you been a victim of a scam, a participant of a scam? It could be anything, as long as it's past that limitation.

• 8:40Speaker 07

  I will say that where I am very aware of scams is now with my parents. I'm trying to protect parents from scams. They're out there. It's easy. They're targets. And so you have to just kind of always check in, ask. Like a follow up question. I don't know if they're being taken advantage of, but I'm just, I'm going the extra distance with them. Just a little bit more, just a little bit more. Like, for example, uh, this is a while ago. My dad sent me this like beautiful, like a postcard on Facebook, a digital postcard. And it was something like, being a father is a great gift. I love you, my son. Right? It was a very like, I was like, oh, that's so nice. And I

• 9:20Laci Mosley?

  And you clicked on the link or was it?

• 9:22Speaker 07

  No, it was, it was the like a postcard. Yeah. And it was in the, however, I looked at Facebook. My dad's the only person that's hitting me up on Facebook. I'm not particularly aware of how it

• 9:33Laci Mosley?

  Sent me links and we're like, we're never clicking these.

• 9:35Speaker 07

  And when I, and when I opened, when I opened it to, to read that's a god, it's really nice. And then the card flipped and it said, paid for by the, the people voting for Donald Trump.

• 9:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 9:45Speaker 07

  And I was like, oh, so like my dad was doing like, uh, like it was like a propaganda, like it's like, hey, we'll get you in.

• 9:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 07

  Send this postcard to your son, but then you get a little ad for Donald Trump in there.

• 9:56Speaker 06

  Because they're hoping that you will then also

• 9:59Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:00Speaker 06

  Support.

• 10:00Speaker 07

  I'm, I'm on board now. I'm like, but I've gotten, they've advertised. It's a, it's actually a genius scam to create something that looks like, oh, I'm going to send this to my son. I'm going to send this to other people.

• 10:13Laci Mosley?

  And it's triggering like a heartfelt moment.

• 10:15Speaker 07

  And then you go paid for by Donald Trump. And you're like, oh, and then it's, then I'm on a list. I'm on a list at that point. The minute I clicked it, I'm on a list.

• 10:22Speaker 06

  I feel like we are now, like it, it used to be that a scam was almost like a multi-phase thing that someone would fall into.

• 10:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? Like, uh, that, that you'd see like a true crime documentary or some, something being done about those, those kind of con people, you know, people who are perpetrating scams, scams. Now I feel like I am falling victim to a scam all the time, which is if I just look on YouTube, I don't know what's real.

• 10:51Speaker 07

  Oh, that's a big deal.

• 10:52Speaker 06

  There's like, so, and this isn't exactly like a scam, but it's

• 10:56Laci Mosley?

  No, it is.

• 10:57Speaker 06

  I'm watching something. I realized recently that like some of the, some of the archetype, YouTube videos that I will watch, mostly pets and babies are all AI now. Or, or I would say like 70% of them are AI.

• 11:11Speaker 07

  A deer getting loose in marshals. That's AI.

• 11:14Laci Mosley?

  I just saw one that was like, These people are going to this pet adoption center and they line up and the pet chooses the owner and then all these like cute little dogs and stuff would run up to people and then they would hug them and they would cry with the dog like that's my dog because it chose me and then I found out it was fucking AI and I was like what?

• 11:34Speaker 06

  That's it.

• 11:34Speaker 07

  Here's what I will say.

• 11:36Speaker 06

  That's the scam of our time.

• 11:37Speaker 07

  The scam, the best scam going on right now, I still am on X because I love fong sports.

• 11:44Speaker 06

  This is your whole.

• 11:45Laci Mosley?

  You call it X? I call it Twitter. That's what his mama named it.

• 11:48Speaker 06

  This is your whole democracy scam thing?

• 11:49Speaker 07

  I call it X because I believe that the owner has a way to change this, the future. Here's what I'll say. Yeah, no, when I'm on Twitter, I follow it because it has all the best sports stuff, but there's a, there is an account called like NBA Central. It's not NBA Central. It's like misspelled.

• 12:07Laci Mosley?

  Central.

• 12:08Speaker 07

  Central. Like it's an R before the A and the L and they constantly are putting out fake reports, so much so it looks like a New York Times screen grab and they're all jokes, but they are really.

• 12:18Speaker 06

  It's like the onion.

• 12:20Speaker 07

  Yes, but like everyone gets scammed by them. So all of a sudden you will see.

• 12:24Speaker 06

  So people report it.

• 12:24Speaker 07

  It will be forwarded around to a million different people and then Stephen A. will be on and be like, I can't believe that Chris Paul said this about Kawhi. And it's like, and then you find out, oh, he just, somebody forwarded him a link to NBA Central, which is not NBA Central.

• 12:39Laci Mosley?

  We should not be listening to Stephen A. Smith. I know he yells. It is hard not to listen to a yeller.

• 12:45Speaker 07

  Our next president?

• 12:49Speaker 06

  The A is for America.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  I guess I got the last bit of the free good education.

• 12:54Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 12:55Laci Mosley?

  Because we learned about false facts, like sources. We would never cite Wikipedia. That's a fucking joke. Anybody can get on there and make shit up. Like it was dot gov. It was dot org. It was like, you know, you, you only went to websites for information that could be sued if they put out misinformation because they have something to lose.

• 13:12Speaker 06

  We're drowning in the nonsense that has been, that began as the idea that Kellyanne Conway said in the 2016, lead up to the 2016, we have alternative facts. Right, which is an absolutely chilling phrase. There are only facts, there are not alternative facts.

• 13:34Laci Mosley?

  Well, now they're calling them opinions. It's like, if you don't have the information, you're just calling it an opinion. I'm opining lies. And honestly, that's a great scam. Like, my lies are opinions, not lies.

• 13:44Speaker 07

  All I know is if I get too happy when I see something, or too angry, I should fact check it because 90% of the time, it is going to be, it's AI rage bait. It's a very specific thing.

• 13:56Speaker 06

  I feel like in the lifespan of your show, we have become a nation of scams. Like, I feel like it is absolutely abundantly clear to me right now that the last bunch of years have been nothing but like scams on a like international level.

• 14:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, scams are a recession indicator.

• 14:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 14:17Laci Mosley?

  Like, people need to afford groceries, they need to be able to take care of their families, they need insurance. Like, people are waking up to the fact that the government is a scam, and that a lot of the institutions and the laws and the things that we have deemed, you know, worthy of our respect, are actually all made up, and a lot of them are bullshit. That's why laws change.

• 14:37Speaker 06

  The flip is true as well. The flip is true as well, which is, I think, the scammers are weaponizing the scam mentality to tell people even the things that are real and are good are scams. Like, the conspiracy, like scams are kind of the same to me as conspiracies. Like conspiracy theories, you know what I mean? It is a-

• 14:59Laci Mosley?

  I do like a tin hat.

• 15:01Speaker 06

  You do, yeah. But I mean, like-

• 15:02Speaker 07

  I do like your line of tin hats, and I think that was a very genius thing to do.

• 15:07Laci Mosley?

  They'll be on PodSweat, guys. Get those tin hats.

• 15:09Speaker 06

  Here's my only problem is my head sweats so much, and then they have zero breathability.

• 15:14Laci Mosley?

  That's you getting rid of all the toxins.

• 15:16Speaker 06

  It's hard, I mean, it's lightweight metal, but it is nonetheless a metal hat.

• 15:20Laci Mosley?

  No, you need to sweat, because that's getting rid of all the toxins, that's getting rid of all the bad thoughts.

• 15:24Speaker 06

  This seems like a scam. Now, these sound like a scam.

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• 16:16Speaker 10

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• 17:49Laci Mosley?

  Now Jason, before we get into historic hoodwink switch, I picked out personally for you both.

• 17:55Speaker 07

  Oh, I can't wait.

• 17:55Laci Mosley?

  I'm just gonna ask you, is there anything else about scams that has been ringing in your head lately? I know we were kind of all bouncing off of each other.

• 18:02Speaker 06

  Not particularly, no. I'm trying to think. I feel like my relationship to scams now is kind of what I was describing, is a mistrust of anything I see. And that that feels like a macro scam to me.

• 18:15Laci Mosley?

  Now, does that make you feel bad that you're having to be so hyper vigilant?

• 18:20Speaker 06

  It makes me feel bad that I have to be hyper vigilant, but it also makes me feel like it's so much more easy to dismiss looking at my phone. It's even easier to be like, oh, this is full of nonsense now. So why don't I just not do it, you know?

• 18:33Speaker 07

  You see, I would think that you would have a disappointment with dogs and babies. Like, they're not doing enough worthy content.

• 18:39Speaker 06

  Well, it is heartbreaking to realize they're not that cute.

• 18:43Laci Mosley?

  Jason, are you fighting babies now?

• 18:44Speaker 06

  They're not that cute.

• 18:44Laci Mosley?

  Are you fighting babies now?

• 18:45Speaker 06

  I would love to, hey, if you've got a baby out there and that baby wants to fight.

• 18:49Speaker 07

  Listen to him. Listen to him.

• 18:54Speaker 06

  These babies, they think they're so strong now.

• 18:57Speaker 07

  Everyone wants to cater to these babies. Oh, yeah, you know what? They can do anything. They can cry, they can yell.

• 19:05Speaker 06

  You know what babies can't do? Fight a 52-year-old man.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  That's true. Babies can't do that.

• 19:10Speaker 06

  They can't do it.

• 19:11Laci Mosley?

  And that reminds me of this very viral video that keeps coming, popping back up, of a man on a plane who was disgruntled with a baby crying for 45 minutes on the flight. And he was like, fuck that baby. He was like, and they're like, sir, you're yelling. He was like, I'm yelling, he been yelling for 45 minutes. What you mean I can't yell?

• 19:30Speaker 07

  I will tell you, as a parent, the worst thing, getting on a plane with a newborn or like a fresh, a fresh baby.

• 19:39Laci Mosley?

  Fresh baby.

• 19:39Speaker 07

  A fresh baby is the most nerve-wracking situation because your baby is gonna act... You don't know. You just don't know. Like you could have the best baby. It's a, it's a crap shoot. You get on there. It could be like three great flights, one terrible flight. It could be their gas. It could be they sleep, they don't sleep. You don't know. So you get on and you're already like, okay, I'm here. I don't want to interrupt anybody else. And then what I realized as a parent was no parent is not trying to make that baby be quiet. Right? Like that was, I think, my interpretation of it.

• 20:09Laci Mosley?

  Parent. I, I have, I was low key on that man's side on the flight because it did kind of feel like maybe the parents wasn't trying to make that baby be quiet.

• 20:17Speaker 07

  There's a certain, there's just nothing that you can do to force a baby to be like, they want that baby. Every parent's like, they don't want that attention. No one wants that heat.

• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  And a baby at thirty five thousand feet.

• 20:29Speaker 07

  Their ears are popping. Like I, like the worst thing was when my kids were more sentient, I could speak to them. Like trying to explain to them how to swallow so their ears would pop. Instead they'd be like, ah, I don't know what's going on. You know, it's like they're learning all this stuff, their bellies, everything. So it's, parents don't want to be in that position. I was never the person that went around and gave out Starbucks gift cards or like did little packages of candy. I've been next to parents who were in that. It's a lovely, a lovely idea, but I'm also like, we're, we're humans. We live here. I, I risk. Yeah, you got a baby. We're, I can live with it. I don't need a Starbucks gift card.

• 21:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, inconvenience is a part of community and we all need to accept that.

• 21:09Speaker 07

  Fucking fly private if you have a big problem with it. Like go fucking spend for money.

• 21:13Speaker 06

  And, and we all have to understand as part of this community that we need to shun the baby. We need, if the baby is, we need to, we need to send it to the bathroom, maybe? I don't know.

• 21:24Laci Mosley?

  There's a closet where the pilot hangs up his jacket. We could put the baby in there.

• 21:28Speaker 06

  More planes need baby closets.

• 21:30Laci Mosley?

  The baby needs to learn.

• 21:31Speaker 06

  Proof baby closets.

• 21:33Speaker 07

  I did believe for a very long time when I was in the, the throes of a lot of baby travel. I believe that the back two rows of the airplane should be ripped out and it should be a little bit of like a baby walk area, something. Because that's the other thing too, is I kind of keep.

• 21:49Laci Mosley?

  Nursing, mama's got to pull her tata out. Like let's have a little closet.

• 21:55Speaker 06

  She can do that anywhere. And if it's near to me, hey, that's cool, too.

• 21:59Speaker 07

  On Southwest, you know, that's part of the whole thing.

• 22:02Speaker 06

  If there's a baby going nuts, at least let me see a titty. If, I mean, like, that just balances the, I mean, for me, I'm like, I'm having trouble sleeping. I'm distracted from the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2, which I'm trying to watch on this

• 22:15Speaker 07

  All the time you're trying to watch it.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  Tiny TV. But meanwhile, let me see a titty. At least, let me just like, let me sneak a peek at a titty.

• 22:23Laci Mosley?

  It's gonna be more National Geographic than Playboy.

• 22:25Speaker 06

  I'll take it. I'll take it at 35,000 feet.

• 22:28Laci Mosley?

  35,000 feet, let me see a titty. Oh, my goodness. No, I, I agree. And Paul, I do sympathize. I don't have any children, but I have, obviously, like, my sister and I, 13 years apart, so I've changed a lot of diapers. I've, I've raised a little baby.

• 22:43Speaker 06

  Sure, sure.

• 22:43Laci Mosley?

  I raised a little colicky baby. She was so colicky, and she's lucky that I saw Law & Order SVU in that Shaken Baby Syndrome episode.

• 22:50Speaker 06

  You can't shake that baby.

• 22:50Laci Mosley?

  Because you can't shake the baby. The baby will die. So I learned that, and then I didn't shake her when she, I'd done everything. She was fed, she was clean, she was changed, her hair was done. I'd rocked her, I'd taken her out for a walk, everything. And she was just screaming, and I just laid on the floor.

• 23:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, I've done that. I've had those moments.

• 23:05Laci Mosley?

  I can't shake her.

• 23:05Speaker 07

  That's the other thing, too.

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  Just lay here.

• 23:07Speaker 07

  Most parents are so fried. Like, you, you are basically, most parents are living on that verge of going, and this is an old reference, but going postal. It's like, we are, we are sleep deprived. I mean, I am now way out of it, but we are sleep deprived, we are, we are angry, we are overburdened, like, trying to travel with a baby. I'm bringing multiple bags, I'm checking, it, it, life sucks. We, we want to get in that fight. I, I think if that guy spoke on that plane, I would have punched him in the dick.

• 23:37Speaker 06

  So it sounds like what you're saying is parenthood is a scam? Not to bring it back to the show, but...

• 23:44Laci Mosley?

  If you want some very cute unemployed roommates, then, you know, have kids.

• 23:50Speaker 06

  I think the real ID is a scam. Does that count?

• 23:57Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, anything to get us to the fucking DMV. I hate going there.

• 24:01Speaker 06

  I had to go.

• 24:02Speaker 07

  What did you pick?

• 24:02Speaker 06

  I had to go just for the Real ID.

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 24:05Speaker 06

  I was like, why? This is, I don't understand.

• 24:09Laci Mosley?

  I have a passport.

• 24:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 24:10Laci Mosley?

  They're like, no.

• 24:11Speaker 06

  And a license. I've got it all. Why do we, why are we? It doesn't matter.

• 24:13Speaker 07

  Well, Real ID is a license now. It just has a different stamp.

• 24:16Speaker 06

  Oh, no, for sure.

• 24:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 24:17Speaker 06

  For sure. Wait, are you working for the government?

• 24:19Speaker 07

  No.

• 24:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it's kind of giving Fed energy. Okay. Now, we're gonna move into my favorite part of this episode. Historic hoodwinkings. This is where I'm going to regale Paul and Jason with a famous con, caper, scam. Maybe it's a group of criminals. Maybe it's a single individual. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. I picked this in particular because we know that Paul's a huge Clippers fan.

• 24:39Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 24:40Laci Mosley?

  And Jason loves shenanigans.

• 24:43Speaker 06

  I love shenanigans.

• 24:44Laci Mosley?

  And if you're gonna shenan once, you're gonna shenan again.

• 24:46Speaker 07

  I will say, the NBA is full of good scams.

• 24:50Laci Mosley?

  It is. So we're, this is pretty recent, you guys. And I actually screamed yes when I looked at the trial dates because there won't be any updates by the time that this airs.

• 25:01Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:01Laci Mosley?

  Because it's so, sometimes when it's really recent, I get scared that it's gonna be updated.

• 25:05Speaker 07

  This is not gonna get to trial.

• 25:07Speaker 06

  So you know what it is?

• 25:08Speaker 07

  I, well, I have, yes. I have elements, but here's the thing. This is gonna be interesting because you have the right research. I think I have an understanding of it, but I think you're gonna actually expand on it.

• 25:18Laci Mosley?

  And I want your understanding.

• 25:19Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 25:19Laci Mosley?

  You know, and this is, and this is where I want you to be, Jason.

• 25:22Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:22Laci Mosley?

  Fly, fly free. So in October of 2025, just as a new NBA season was starting, major FBI stings caught former and current NBA players and coaches working in rigged poker games backed by the mafia and using insider info to cheat at sports betting on a multimillion dollar scale. So we're talking about NBA crime time.

• 25:48Speaker 07

  And we're talking about two very different things, right? Because one is... Like, come and gamble with me. The other is, come and bet on sports with me. Like, they are, are they under the same umbrella? Or are they?

• 26:02Laci Mosley?

  So you're gonna see, because there is some intricacies here. There's some overlap, for sure.

• 26:07Speaker 06

  I think I heard this, yes, I heard this described on the radio, because the part that the radio show that I was listening to was obsessed with, was all, that they were so excited that all the mafia guys still have crazy names. And because all of the people listed in this indictment or whatever are like, hilariously goofball mafia names.

• 26:27Laci Mosley?

  And I need that, okay?

• 26:28Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, thank god.

• 26:29Laci Mosley?

  We're losing recipes, crime recipes, okay?

• 26:32Speaker 06

  Thank god the mafiosos, I haven't changed with the times, so that it's a bunch of like mafia bosses who are like Braxton.

• 26:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I mean, you can't be doing crime if your name is Kyle.

• 26:44Speaker 07

  No, no, no, yeah, come on.

• 26:47Laci Mosley?

  What? I'm not gonna be scared, oh no, Kyle's coming, Kyle? No, we're not scared of him. No, you gotta be scary.

• 26:53Speaker 06

  It's Sawyer, you know, Sawyer, oh no, Sawyer's mad at me?

• 26:58Speaker 07

  I'm just happy that we are able to bring these men to justice, and that's a great legal system that we have here in the country.

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  Again, haul the fed, haul the fed.

• 27:08Speaker 07

  You know, we have these great,

• 27:13Speaker 07

  you know, to get these great names, right? That's what we're talking about. We're talking about these guys were able to find these.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  I love daddy government.

• 27:19Speaker 06

  This is also strange to your other big take, which is overfund the police?

• 27:24Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 27:26Laci Mosley?

  They need more money.

• 27:27Speaker 06

  More money.

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  Militarize them more.

• 27:30Speaker 07

  Every precinct has two tanks.

• 27:32Laci Mosley?

  Fifty-four percent of LA's budget is not enough.

• 27:36Speaker 07

  I thought you were gonna say porpoises, and I was like, yeah, let's get some porpoises on the force, too.

• 27:41Speaker 06

  Oh god.

• 27:42Speaker 07

  Get that kinda.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  Not sea cops.

• 27:44Speaker 07

  You need, who's policing the sea?

• 27:48Speaker 07

  We need them out there.

• 27:49Laci Mosley?

  You're joking, but that would be white people's next frontier. If they got rid of all the brown people, they'd be like, I don't know, who do we police now?

• 27:55Speaker 06

  How do we put it?

• 27:56Laci Mosley?

  The whales?

• 27:57Speaker 06

  How do we?

• 27:58Speaker 07

  Get that manatee.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  Lock him up.

• 27:59Speaker 07

  Get that manatee.

• 28:01Speaker 06

  How do we affix a badge to a seal?

• 28:06Speaker 07

  He's got a great mustache.

• 28:07Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, I feel like the cops of the sea would be hippos.

• 28:10Speaker 06

  Hippos?

• 28:10Speaker 07

  Alright, I like that.

• 28:11Speaker 06

  Okay, I don't mind it.

• 28:12Laci Mosley?

  Hippos are violent for no reason. And they can run underwater.

• 28:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, but like, when I think of the sea, I think of like waves. Like hippos aren't out in the ocean.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's where they should be though, not bothering us.

• 28:23Speaker 06

  I feel like sharks.

• 28:23Laci Mosley?

  Do you think sharks? I don't know, they bitches. I feel like it would be whales.

• 28:26Speaker 06

  Okay, well, it's so big.

• 28:27Laci Mosley?

  Cause whales be fucking up sharks.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  I like that.

• 28:29Speaker 06

  So big, but sometimes I feel like whales are so big and so threatened by nobody that they're just like chill out there. Though I feel like whales are like, fuck man, what are you, what are you so upset about?

• 28:39Laci Mosley?

  So you want police to be insecure and harass people is what you're saying, Jason?

• 28:43Speaker 06

  The shark man.

• 28:44Laci Mosley?

  Put on my ambush mask.

• 28:44Speaker 06

  I'm saying the shark, oh god, wait, wait, where is it?

• 28:47Speaker 07

  Is it here?

• 28:47Laci Mosley?

  So you're saying?

• 28:48Speaker 06

  Am I, am I in the tar, am I in the sights?

• 28:53Speaker 06

  No, I think sharks have the mentality of cops, which is just like vicious out there.

• 28:58Laci Mosley?

  So you want cops to stay the same mentality as they are now?

• 29:01Speaker 06

  I'm just trying to speak to the moment. Is the music still going?

• 29:05Speaker 07

  It is, it is.

• 29:06Speaker 06

  I didn't realize this was a gotcha pod.

• 29:09Speaker 07

  Chewbacca's coming through the door right now.

• 29:10Laci Mosley?

  It's a new thing we're doing.

• 29:11Speaker 06

  Chewbacca.

• 29:13Laci Mosley?

  Fuck a Chewbacca.

• 29:13Speaker 07

  Alright, so bring us in.

• 29:15Laci Mosley?

  So a total of 34 people, including some famous ones, were arrested as a result of two multi-year, multi-safe sports crime investigations. The FBI called this Operation Nothing But Bet. I love that the FBI is trying to...

• 29:28Speaker 07

  Terrible name, a terrible name because there's so many, like...

• 29:32Speaker 06

  Nothing But Bet?

• 29:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 07

  Like Nothing But Net.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  What's, oh, I see, I see, I see, I see. Cause I was gonna say, cause it's so close. It's, that's NBB instead of NBA. They're so close to NBA.

• 29:46Speaker 07

  And Nothing But Net is like, it's not as catchy as like...

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  It's old, like how old are you? And also like, it's not really cute. They also called it Operation Royal Flush. These are stupid.

• 29:58Speaker 06

  Can I ask you a question? How much time? And how many people do you think are, are, are, how many people are spending how much time just naming operations? Just coming up with clever pun-filled nicknames? That seems like a waste of time.

• 30:16Speaker 07

  Well, it also feels like that's, like you get to that level, like, ah, yeah, now I finally got to name.

• 30:22Speaker 06

  Oh, I get to, I'm in the punch-up room.

• 30:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, the most senior member gets to name it, I feel like, you know, it's like, and you can't really argue with it, it's like, well, you know, it was Clarissa, she's been here for a long time, she gets to name it.

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're blaming a woman? Put on my Air Force Here.

• 30:37Speaker 07

  Yep, yep, yep.

• 30:38Laci Mosley?

  You blaming a woman for a bad name? A woman would've came up with a better name than Operation.

• 30:43Speaker 07

  Get her out. She doesn't know anything about basketball, because of course, women don't watch sports, right?

• 30:49Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, no, I haven't been courtside at a Liberty game ever. I haven't met Ellie.

• 30:55Speaker 07

  Here I am, trying to make the FBI a person a woman, so it didn't seem like it was a male-dominated field, and then I step in my own.

• 31:05Laci Mosley?

  This is inclusion?

• 31:06Speaker 06

  This, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, well, Clarissa, I mean, do you, so you're saying Clarissa didn't deserve to be there?

• 31:12Speaker 07

  Well, Clarissa explained it all, so I figured that, you know, she's one of those.

• 31:16Laci Mosley?

  You know, that's why I have a hat on that says him, I had to trick them, I had to trick them.

• 31:23Speaker 07

  So, nothing but, oh, nothing but bet?

• 31:26Laci Mosley?

  Or Operation Royal Flush.

• 31:28Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 31:29Laci Mosley?

  So, for the rigged poker games, the FBI arrested basketball Hall of Famer and current court, like Portland Trail Blazers head coach Chauncey Billups, as well as members of four mafia families. They arrested Miami Heat guard and 10-year NBA veteran Terry Rozier, and former Cleveland Cavalier player and coach Damon Jones for illegal sports betting with insider info. Damon was actually named in both the poker and the betting investigations, he said, I'm doing all the crime, let, get me in there, yikes. Chauncey and Terry were placed on immediate leave by the NBA. So, we're looking at Damon Jones right here. Damon, honestly, this pose is giving me like, yeah, put me in all the crime, sign me up.

• 32:13Speaker 07

  Well, this is old, dude, Damon, the picture we're looking at Damon is like 90s, right? Like, this is, this is.

• 32:19Speaker 06

  Can I ask a question?

• 32:20Laci Mosley?

  Do the Bucks still exist?

• 32:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, Giannis is on the Bucks, they won the NBA championship maybe like three, four years ago.

• 32:28Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 32:29Speaker 07

  There he is. That's our guy.

• 32:31Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah.

• 32:32Speaker 07

  Look at his point average.

• 32:34Laci Mosley?

  What city is the bu- 1.8 points?

• 32:37Speaker 07

  Wow, it was in 2008. Wow, okay.

• 32:38Laci Mosley?

  He needed to gamble. He probably needed that.

• 32:41Speaker 07

  That's the last season, though. It's his last season. That makes sense.

• 32:44Speaker 06

  So the idea is that...

• 32:46Laci Mosley?

  What city is the books?

• 32:49Speaker 07

  Milwaukee.

• 32:50Laci Mosley?

  Milwaukee? We're calling that a city?

• 32:52Speaker 07

  Oh, man, we're getting a little Clarissa interview over here.

• 32:57Speaker 06

  I mean, what do you define as a city?

• 33:00Laci Mosley?

  Not Milwaukee.

• 33:01Speaker 06

  Not Milwaukee.

• 33:02Speaker 07

  Wow, Cream City. Cream City. Can you pull up...

• 33:05Laci Mosley?

  Cream City?

• 33:06Speaker 07

  Can you pull up their Cream City jerseys?

• 33:08Speaker 06

  Please don't.

• 33:08Speaker 07

  So it's the last year they...

• 33:09Laci Mosley?

  Cream City?

• 33:10Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 33:11Laci Mosley?

  Like cream soda?

• 33:12Speaker 06

  I'm seeing that we can't load Cream City imagery because it's of a porn blogger?

• 33:17Speaker 07

  So, uh, this is, uh, yeah, they see Cream City. That's their jerseys.

• 33:21Speaker 06

  What?

• 33:22Speaker 07

  Cream City.

• 33:23Laci Mosley?

  Nobody has ever heard that.

• 33:25Speaker 07

  Cause Milwaukee beer, you know, the Vernon Shirley, that's the foam on the beer, cream.

• 33:29Laci Mosley?

  You see how much explaining you have to do, Paul?

• 33:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, come on, if you're in the city, you know.

• 33:33Speaker 06

  But don't you not want foam in your beer?

• 33:35Speaker 07

  I think it's...

• 33:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you don't. You actually pour it sideways so that it's not foamy.

• 33:40Speaker 06

  Cream? Okay, I've got notes on Cream City.

• 33:42Speaker 07

  I'm pretty sure it's the head of the beer, am I right?

• 33:45Speaker 06

  Milwaukee.

• 33:45Speaker 07

  Is head of the beer that what?

• 33:46Laci Mosley?

  It's like being like Pulp City. Like, nobody really, like, wants that.

• 33:51Speaker 07

  Cream City, baby.

• 33:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, if Orlando, uh, was Pulp, uh, Pulp City.

• 33:56Laci Mosley?

  Pulp City.

• 33:57Speaker 06

  Right? Because of the orange juice?

• 33:59Speaker 07

  That's what we're talking about, right?

• 34:00Laci Mosley?

  That was a good connection. So, um...

• 34:02Speaker 06

  I can't get over Cream City.

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  I can't either.

• 34:04Speaker 06

  I need them to change it.

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Oh, why would you tell us about that?

• 34:07Speaker 06

  I don't think...

• 34:07Speaker 07

  Cream City...

• 34:08Speaker 06

  I don't think kids call it Cream City.

• 34:10Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 34:11Speaker 07

  Well, I feel like there, every now and then, there's a sporting, like, a uniform or, like, a logo that gets co-opted by popular culture. Cream City feels like that's a great one. Like, you don't even have to...

• 34:22Laci Mosley?

  So you're calling it popular?

• 34:23Speaker 07

  Well, I'm just saying that, like, cause it would look like... Like Jizz City. Like, right, and then, then like, like, when I was growing up, all these kids had like Gamecock hats, right, so you couldn't get in trouble for wearing a Gamecock hat, but it's a Gamecocks on it.

• 34:36Speaker 06

  Right.

• 34:36Speaker 07

  Right, so it's like, I'm wearing a hat that says cock.

• 34:38Speaker 06

  Is a wink wink?

• 34:39Speaker 07

  No, I don't think it's a wink wink, but I, I, I would imagine that those jerseys are selling

• 34:43Speaker 06

  I feel like.

• 34:44Speaker 07

  In the sense of saying like.

• 34:46Laci Mosley?

  Ironically.

• 34:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, I got a Jizz City shirt, like Cream City. Like, it's like, you can get away with being a little dirty.

• 34:51Speaker 06

  But so, so, so, so, but I mean, like, like, in that way that people say about the team that is like, go Birds.

• 34:57Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 06

  Right, right? So would people say like to each other out in the wild, go Cream City?

• 35:02Laci Mosley?

  Go cream?

• 35:03Speaker 07

  Well, this is.

• 35:03Speaker 06

  Go cream?

• 35:04Laci Mosley?

  Ew, that sounds like a threat.

• 35:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, go, go cream.

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  Go cream.

• 35:08Speaker 07

  You just got creamed.

• 35:09Speaker 06

  Okay, well, that does work, actually.

• 35:11Laci Mosley?

  Put a hand sign up.

• 35:12Speaker 07

  Cream.

• 35:13Laci Mosley?

  No. Oh, gosh, so, okay, for the.

• 35:16Speaker 06

  They were steamed and creamed.

• 35:18Laci Mosley?

  For the poker scheme, not cream.

• 35:23Speaker 07

  This poker scheme is pretty amazing.

• 35:25Laci Mosley?

  So, high network fish were lured into playing poker with a group of fake players, only to be cheated out of money using advanced technology to rig the game.

• 35:35Speaker 06

  Fish, like, like whales and.

• 35:37Speaker 07

  That's why, that's why we need to appoint some deputies.

• 35:40Speaker 06

  That's why we need, that's why we need police officers in that community.

• 35:44Speaker 07

  People out there.

• 35:45Laci Mosley?

  We don't need sea police. We don't need ocean police.

• 35:48Speaker 07

  DSV, bring it back.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  I don't want to expand any of our police departments anymore domestically.

• 35:54Laci Mosley?

  We already have the Coast Guard, and I've had to run from them once.

• 35:56Speaker 06

  We need. Please say more.

• 35:58Laci Mosley?

  My, uh, birthday party was a three-day weekend one time, and I had brought my close friends and family to stay in this mansion, and then we had activities that I had planned before the big Fourth of Julacy party, and we had a yacht party, and my sister.

• 36:13Speaker 06

  Did you just say Fourth of Julacy party?

• 36:15Laci Mosley?

  That's what it's called.

• 36:17Speaker 06

  I love that.

• 36:17Laci Mosley?

  I was born on the Fourth of July, it's the Fourth of July.

• 36:18Speaker 06

  Oh, I didn't know that. You just went through it so quickly, I just wanted to foreground it.

• 36:22Speaker 07

  They know, they know.

• 36:24Laci Mosley?

  Everybody knows, why are you gonna celebrate this country, celebrate me?

• 36:26Speaker 07

  I love it.

• 36:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm less problematic.

• 36:29Speaker 07

  Very true.

• 36:30Laci Mosley?

  But quickly, yes, so we, my assistant at the time was trying to kill me. I stand by this. And she booked the yacht and I don't know what the situation was, but I've talked about this years ago. But basically, we got on a boat, like Pablo, who was a very sweaty man in a pirate's hat, who was definitely on cocaine. And he led us to a boat that was like, kind of like a tin can. And on top was this other group of people going to their yacht and on the bottom was us. And we were all dressed in white, so I told everybody to wear white. And my friend Anthony says, and see, I'm shouting you out right now. He said, we look like slaves on Easter Sunday because we're waiting on the curb, like waiting for this like man to come. And so sweaty Pablo comes up all coked up with his sex worker assistant. And we get on this boat.

• 37:15Speaker 07

  I like that you put assistant, but not sex worker in quotes. Like, you should be like, sex worker assistant. So she definitely is a sex worker and then. Possibly assistant. Yeah.

• 37:27Laci Mosley?

  She's assistant in some way, I guess. So we're on this boat.

• 37:30Speaker 07

  She's assisting him get to Cream City.

• 37:33Laci Mosley?

  So I guess the amount of people that we had for the yacht, because we were renting it and it wasn't ours, like you can only have a certain amount of people on a yacht if you're renting it. So.

• 37:43Speaker 07

  Big money problems.

• 37:49Laci Mosley?

  So he, we were circling and we were in the water, like in the Pacific, you know, Marina Del Rey. And the coast guard kept coming because it's a holiday. So coast guard kept like driving by and every time the coast guard would drive by, they'd be like, oh, y'all get down, get downstairs or whatever. And so they couldn't take us to our boat because we had an illegal amount of people. They had to wait until the coast guard left.

• 38:10Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 38:11Laci Mosley?

  So we circled around for like an hour until the coast guard left.

• 38:13Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  So I run from the water police. We don't need more of them.

• 38:17Speaker 07

  All right.

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• 40:40Laci Mosley?

  So the high network fish, like, we're talking about like NBA stars. We're talking about people who get windfalls of money very quickly. And oftentimes, especially in sports, you'll see people from every demographic who like have never had this kind of money in their life. So you're seeing people who are getting in and out of the mud a little bit. And even if they're from like a middle-class home or whatever, it's like you chose to get into a barbaric sport that could kill you. So...

• 41:04Speaker 06

  For money that is like in, for many people, just absolutely beyond imagination.

• 41:10Speaker 07

  If you can exist past a season.

• 41:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 41:13Speaker 07

  Which is also a crapshoot.

• 41:15Speaker 06

  Well, what was the, there was a documentary about this very thing. One of the ESPN documentaries called Broke. And it was all about how many people who've made hundreds of millions of dollars in professional sports end up at a still pretty young age broke. How does that happen?

• 41:31Speaker 07

  Because you are living a lifestyle, yeah.

• 41:33Laci Mosley?

  You're supporting your family. Everybody's got a handout.

• 41:35Speaker 06

  And you can only work for so many years.

• 41:37Speaker 07

  Right. And you are living a lifestyle that, yeah, it will never keep up because your money will just go down, down. Now, I thought they were bringing in normies. They're bringing in their own...

• 41:48Laci Mosley?

  Mmm, this is incestuous.

• 41:51Speaker 07

  Okay, got it. That's actually makes it way more dirty to me.

• 41:54Laci Mosley?

  And having an NBA star like Chauncey Billups or Damon Jones at the table as a face card made the games look legit for members and associates of the Banano, Giannovetti, Gambino crime families.

• 42:08Speaker 07

  Love it, love it, love it. Yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 06

  Three, three big giant crime families. Oh, no, the names I'm talking about are like...

• 42:15Speaker 07

  Or the people's names, like their first names.

• 42:16Speaker 06

  Their names are like, like Squeaky Bug.

• 42:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

• 42:20Speaker 06

  They're all like kooky weird names.

• 42:21Speaker 07

  They're all the, the little people inside of the organization. Now...

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna save those names for the end of the episode.

• 42:26Speaker 07

  I love it, love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:29Laci Mosley?

  So Chauncey won the NBA Finals MVP in 2004 while leading the Detroit Pistons to their first championship in 1990 and made his first All-Star team in 2006. So he had built himself into one of the game's great two-way players. Somewhere along the line, he became friends with Eric Ernest. Last name Ernest, probably not that earnest. A convicted felon and gambler with reported ties to the black mafia family. So on Instagram, Chauncey follows Eric's wife and daughter. Chauncey's wife, Piper, also follows Eric's daughter. Chauncey and Eric would sit together at the rigged poker games.

• 43:06Speaker 07

  Mid-season, they have a thing called the NBA Cup, where you are competing throughout the beginning part of the season for this, like, the cup. It's like a mid-season championship. Where are they holding it? In Vegas. They all fly into Vegas. And then when you win, you win a cash prize. Like, everybody on the team wins a cash prize. And I believe the first year LeBron was like, oh, I'm just gonna go gamble with this. Like, because it's nothing money. And they're in Vegas, they're there to gamble. So this whole weekend that people are there, it's just normal. I mean, Ty Lou lives in, he's the coach of the Clippers, lives in Vegas, isn't known to be a poker tables playing, not in these rigged games, even though people have tried to link them together because Chauncey was an assistant coach in the Clippers.

• 43:51Speaker 07

  But this is like fair, fine, whatever. This is what's going on here. But this is like kind of getting them out of the casinos a little bit, right?

• 43:57Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And getting them out of like the protection of the casino. I mean, we know mobs are tied to casinos, but at least like there is some type of like.

• 44:04Speaker 07

  So this isn't even about betting on games. It's about poker games. This is, so there's two parts of it. So the first part of it is this.

• 44:14Laci Mosley?

  No, we're gonna get there.

• 44:15Speaker 07

  Got it. Please continue.

• 44:16Laci Mosley?

  But you bring up very great points, Paul. And so sometimes the poker. Jason, your points have been trash.

• 44:23Speaker 07

  It's fair. It's fair criticism.

• 44:27Laci Mosley?

  So sometimes the poker players used electric shufflers rigged with card readers that would tell an off-site handler who at the table had the best hand. So then the handlers would communicate to the team of cheaters in the room, who would covertly advise the players how to behave in the game to draw as much money out of their target as possible. So they had a very organized machine going here. And they have people with money to lose. Also, I feel like there is an overstimulation when you get a windfall of money. Where you. Stop looking at money like you used to look at it.

• 45:00Speaker 06

  Oh, for sure.

• 45:01Speaker 07

  I never can gamble. That's the one thing I can never wrap my head around. I can't.

• 45:05Speaker 06

  No, zero.

• 45:06Speaker 07

  We one time did a show.

• 45:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, you guys are so straight edge.

• 45:10Speaker 07

  No, it's because it's like.

• 45:11Laci Mosley?

  I'm great at craps.

• 45:12Speaker 06

  Are you?

• 45:13Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 45:13Laci Mosley?

  Because I know when to leave. Every time I do craps, I at least make a payment on rent or something.

• 45:18Speaker 07

  Wow. I think craps is a game that you can win, right?

• 45:22Speaker 06

  That's great.

• 45:23Laci Mosley?

  It's a, it's a, it's a simple numbers scam. You just have to have enough money to stay in for an hour. I've said this a billion times on this podcast. The people are probably think I'm a gambling addict. Look, there's a number you guys can call. I have Aria chips in my Credenza right now from Vegas. I think I have like $500 in chips. I forgot to cash.

• 45:39Speaker 06

  How often are you going to Vegas? Or a casino, I'll say?

• 45:43Laci Mosley?

  Maybe once every three years?

• 45:45Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 45:45Laci Mosley?

  I haven't been in a while.

• 45:47Speaker 07

  I haven't been in a while.

• 45:47Laci Mosley?

  But I do got the itch a little bit because I got these casino chips.

• 45:50Speaker 07

  Get them in the van.

• 45:52Speaker 06

  If you've got the chips. But I would just go and cash them and leave.

• 45:55Laci Mosley?

  See, that's a great way to win at gambling, leaving. That's the only way to win at gambling. Once that shit gets fun, you need to run. Because once it gets fun, they're gonna take all your coins. You sit there long enough, they get you drunk enough, them girls come around with them free drinks.

• 46:08Speaker 06

  The whole thing, that whole thing is a scam.

• 46:10Laci Mosley?

  It is, but I learned from the best. My parents are like, every time they go to Vegas, it's like a free hotel suite and like flight deals and stuff. Like, yeah, because they, because they rip them off. They rip them off and they leave. That's all we do. So, other games used x-ray poker tables that could read cards through felts or computerized, or computerized card analyzers hidden in phones or specialized contact lenses. Okay, one hundred contacts, you ain't told me about those. I didn't know I could have some cheating lenses. Hit me up. So these contact lenses could read secret card markings visible only to the wearer. We've really gotten high tech and cheating.

• 46:49Speaker 07

  They're really interesting. Somebody was doing these, um, the glasses that they had and the contact lenses. It was like, like a very heavy blue, like, so everything would look very dark blue to me if I was wearing the contact lens. But then I would be able to see that marking on the card. But you wouldn't be able to tell and it would be a, I could see you perfectly. It just, everything had a. A hue of blue.

• 47:09Speaker 06

  And so if someone was holding cards across from you, the cards would be marked on the back. So I could see, oh, they've got face cards or they've got whatever.

• 47:19Speaker 07

  And you could see what was on the river. You could see what was in, you know, every card is there being dealt out. Cause you're just seeing the card, like you're seeing all the tops of the cards there before people even pick them up and put them in, you know, before even that.

• 47:29Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 47:30Laci Mosley?

  Listen, scamming is hard work. Okay? These people are innovators.

• 47:34Speaker 06

  Too much technology now. You, I feel like we're hearing about this in the context of like this big scandal, but mustn't this be happening on much smaller scale?

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely.

• 47:43Speaker 06

  Like this feels like the easiest, like glasses and a way to mark cards seems like a, a no brainer. If they got contact lenses. That's a bigger, that's a bigger lift, you know?

• 47:54Laci Mosley?

  It is. Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 06

  That seems like real tech.

• 47:56Laci Mosley?

  That's an investment. So these games were mostly run out of New York City, but also happened in the Hamptons, Miami and Las Vegas, big scam cities. So the one woman named in Poker Pro was Sophia Way, AKA, this is your woman, Paul.

• 48:11Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 48:12Laci Mosley?

  For inclusion.

• 48:13Speaker 07

  Okay, great.

• 48:13Laci Mosley?

  Sophia Way, AKA Pookie.

• 48:16Speaker 07

  Mm hmm.

• 48:17Laci Mosley?

  Who used to paint portraits for celebrities like Kevin Hart and Jadakiss and enjoyed hanging out with hip hop stars and athletes before getting busted in Operation Royal Flush. So this is Pookie right here. Come on with her Chanel bag. That's at least like 17K. Uh, okay, Pookie, that doesn't look like Kevin Hart. That looks like if Michael Jackson and Kevin Hart had a baby in the seventies. What is this? That no mind? What, what?

• 48:42Speaker 07

  That's a weird, that's weird. My mom, my mom got scammed. My mom got scammed by an artist like Pookie because she had them.

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  Pookie cute.

• 48:53Speaker 07

  Yeah, Pookie is cute.

• 48:54Laci Mosley?

  But what did she say, mom?

• 48:55Speaker 07

  Well, it's a longer story and I feel like we haven't even tipped into this. So I, I, I, next time I'll tell you that my mom got scammed by one of these Pookies.

• 49:02Laci Mosley?

  You gotta come back and tell me about Pookie. So, um, Pookie was arrested and then released on home detention after posting a hundred thousand dollar bail and pleading not guilty to wire fraud and money laundering conspiracy charges, all while wearing a World Series. Of poker sweatshirt in court.

• 49:20Speaker 07

  I need to talk about when we get to Chauncey, what he wore. Because that's a big part of this.

• 49:26Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Pookie's still on business.

• 49:27Speaker 06

  And Pookie's friend is wearing like full Hello Kitty sweatshirt.

• 49:32Laci Mosley?

  She said I gotta keep the brand strong. Like she knew she was gonna get photographed. So she's like, yeah, World Series of Poker, y'all still hire Pookie? And, and the money laundering and wire transfers always peek up to me because there's like easy ways to arrest people for scams and fraud. And like, we just saw her painting. And I'm not gonna implicate nobody who's bought the painting.

• 49:51Speaker 07

  Art is the biggest fraud that you could get involved.

• 49:54Laci Mosley?

  Art fraud is huge.

• 49:55Speaker 07

  You can't say you were ripped off. You'd be like, I just was not, you know what I'm saying?

• 49:59Laci Mosley?

  Bad investment.

• 50:00Speaker 06

  So, but she was an artist.

• 50:02Laci Mosley?

  So how much were they paying to write off?

• 50:04Speaker 06

  Well, yes.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  Paintings, paid by Pookie.

• 50:06Speaker 06

  But like Kevin Hart is obviously paying her some amount of money for that big gigantic painting.

• 50:12Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what Kevin Hart is doing.

• 50:14Speaker 06

  Is it part of this scam?

• 50:16Laci Mosley?

  Festival.

• 50:16Speaker 07

  But it could, but it could be, it could be that, right?

• 50:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 50:20Laci Mosley?

  For, for so many people or, or none of them, or?

• 50:25Speaker 07

  But I mean, is that a laundering scheme, you think?

• 50:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes. No, art, purchasing art is a laundering scheme.

• 50:29Speaker 07

  Alright, yeah.

• 50:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 50:30Speaker 06

  And so there's somebody who's saying to Kevin Hart or to somebody, hey.

• 50:34Laci Mosley?

  Stop saying Kevin Hart!

• 50:35Speaker 06

  Well, that's, that was the picture you showed, right?

• 50:38Laci Mosley?

  He was just one guy!

• 50:39Speaker 07

  One guy, he's not implicated in the scheme. He's not implicated.

• 50:43Laci Mosley?

  You're looking me in trouble.

• 50:45Speaker 07

  But meanwhile, what we are pitching though, is the money is going out. We're not pitching how the money is hidden coming in.

• 50:50Speaker 06

  But is somebody saying to these people, here's the way to clean this money.

• 50:54Laci Mosley?

  Likely.

• 50:55Speaker 06

  This is Pookie. She does art, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, okay, okay, okay.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  And, and Pookie showed up with her Jackson 5 paintings and...

• 51:02Speaker 06

  I'm trying to figure out if Pookie is, thinks her art is taking off. This is awesome?

• 51:07Speaker 07

  Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  No, Pookie knows what she's doing. She's wearing, literally she went to court in a poker sweatshirt.

• 51:14Speaker 07

  The way that they are dressed, both people are saying a lot.

• 51:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 07

  I'm gonna talk about the next person when you get to him.

• 51:20Laci Mosley?

  So for the illegal sports betting, half of the scandal, gamblers used private info to bet on at least seven NBA games between March of 2021. Twenty three in March of twenty twenty four involving the Charlotte Hornets, Orlando Magic, Portland Trail Blazers, Los Angeles Lakers and Toronto Raptors. Former and current NBA players and coaches, including Terry Rozier, Damon Jones leaked confidential information to the gamblers about upcoming NBA games and player performances. The resulting illegal bets at online sportsbooks and in-person casinos made hundreds of thousands of dollars. So.

• 51:54Speaker 07

  So basically like Damon knows LeBron.

• 51:58Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 51:58Speaker 07

  And LeBron, he's like, are you gonna play tonight? And LeBron's like, nah, I'm not gonna play. But that's not officially announced yet. So then he can go and say to everybody LeBron's out tonight, bet against the Lakers.

• 52:07Speaker 06

  It's like insider trading.

• 52:09Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 52:09Speaker 07

  Right.

• 52:10Laci Mosley?

  Cause he was like helping people, like we all know like parlays pay the best because they're almost impossible bets to get. So if you have a parlay like that with insider information, he was calling the homies and being like, hey LeBron, hey, how the wife, how the kids, how little, how little LeBron doing? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. How your knee doing?

• 52:28Speaker 07

  And so like, and so they could make a bet before it's official.

• 52:32Speaker 06

  The level of eye contact you just were making with me while you were doing that, I was like, this is, I feel very connected right now. And like you're asking about my knee and my knee does hurt.

• 52:43Speaker 07

  See, you should.

• 52:43Speaker 06

  So like I really, I felt, I really felt like.

• 52:46Speaker 07

  Give her that info, tell her, tell her.

• 52:48Speaker 06

  Felt seen in that moment.

• 52:49Laci Mosley?

  You think you're gonna stay in the whole game? You gonna play the whole game? What about third quarter? What about the fourth?

• 52:54Speaker 07

  Now Damon, Damon was getting info about players for bets, but Terry threw games.

• 53:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes, Terry was actually, and we're gonna get into that, but Terry was actually telling people, he was like, you know what? I'm gonna sit out the third quarter or like, you know, I'm gonna play this, da, da, da, da. Like he was making the parlays even more specific. Faking injuries like, yeah, which is even deeper insider trading because he's the one betting against.

• 53:17Speaker 06

  He's impacting, yeah.

• 53:18Laci Mosley?

  And on SportsCenter, Shaquille O'Neal and, um, or inside the NBA, Shaquille O'Neal and.

• 53:24Speaker 07

  Ernie.

• 53:25Laci Mosley?

  Ernie, yeah. They were talking about this. They were like, we love to bet. We bet on golf. We bet on, you know, the kids.

• 53:30Speaker 07

  Michael Jordan, famously.

• 53:32Laci Mosley?

  Michael Jordan, allegedly, big, big, big gambler bet, too much gambling, honestly, but like.

• 53:39Speaker 07

  So this is dead.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 53:42Speaker 07

  That's the whole, that's the rumor, right? That's the whole rumor.

• 53:45Speaker 06

  Even I know, even I know that rumor. I know nothing about sports.

• 53:49Laci Mosley?

  If you don't know the rumor, Michael Jordan's dad, Google it. I'm not gonna stand on here, it's a little dark. But, um, yeah, like, they all know you don't bet on the sport you play in. Like, that's a big no-no.

• 54:00Speaker 07

  No, but you're watching, you're watching Kevin Hart and LeBron do DraftKings commercials.

• 54:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 07

  Right? You're watching ESPN and you're watching, uh, before he's coaching the Lakers, I'm forgetting his name right now, uh, former player, but, like, all these podcasts have, like, here's my fantasy betting line, here's my betting line. These are the guys that you're watching, these are sports stars that are encouraging you to bet. Yes, it might be, like, fantasy, but they are, I wonder if you've ever seen, like, LeBron is in DraftKings commercials. That's crazy.

• 54:30Speaker 06

  It does feel like betting has just become absolutely normalized on, in a way that...

• 54:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you can bet on your phone, which is dangerous. Like, go, go to the racetracks, like they used to do.

• 54:40Speaker 07

  And you're not taking it out.

• 54:41Laci Mosley?

  Get a bookie, get a bookie like the olden days.

• 54:43Speaker 07

  And you're not getting those coins out because that's the whole thing, these sites just run on, yeah, you may go up and you might be right, but you're not taking the money out. It's just like you're putting more money in, it's just kind of sitting in a, it's just like a laundry machine, it's just like spinning around, spinning around, spinning around.

• 54:56Laci Mosley?

  And they target young men. There's so many young men, like, college age, like, leaving high school. Who are in debt from sports betting. Because they target the youth. They get influencers who do, like, comedy online and stuff to do DraftKings and stuff.

• 55:13Speaker 06

  Oh, whoa, wait a minute, hang on, they're doing comedians? They're making deals with comedians?

• 55:16Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, you get in there.

• 55:17Speaker 06

  I'd love to, can I send a headshot resume? Are they still seeing people?

• 55:22Laci Mosley?

  Jason's on DraftKings.

• 55:24Speaker 07

  No, get in, get in.

• 55:26Laci Mosley?

  He's like, guys, it's great.

• 55:27Speaker 06

  Hey, I'm, I'm betting on pickleball.

• 55:29Laci Mosley?

  Literally, they're betting on anything, it's crazy. Like, I've seen advertisements that were like, please don't bet on our children's sports games.

• 55:36Speaker 06

  Hmm, oh, wow.

• 55:37Laci Mosley?

  Like, Little League. That's how thirsty they are to bet.

• 55:41Speaker 07

  People have to keep themselves entertained. They need that. They need it.

• 55:44Speaker 06

  Well, this is part of the male loneliness epidemic.

• 55:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 06

  Which is, you know, trading on that idea that like you spend all your time looking at sports information online, now you're an expert.

• 55:53Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 06

  You could make money.

• 55:54Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 55:54Speaker 06

  You're gonna be rich.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  And I've said this before on this podcast, but I feel bad for the college athletes because they're betting on that too. And then when college athletes have a bad game or something happens, like they're getting harassed online, like you fucked up my parlay.

• 56:05Speaker 07

  Hmm. It's the worst.

• 56:06Laci Mosley?

  And it's like, that's, that's a kid, bro.

• 56:08Speaker 07

  By the way, it's even sadder when it's just your fantasy team and has no money attached to it. And people like harass players because their fantasy team went down. It's like, come on now. Come on now.

• 56:19Laci Mosley?

  People don't have much to live for these days, man.

• 56:22Speaker 07

  So what Terry is doing is a service.

• 56:24Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 56:25Laci Mosley?

  We love it. We love it. I'm gonna ask you if you love it or hate it at the end.

• 56:29Speaker 06

  Society is over. So I guess everybody is really smashing and grabbing as much as they can.

• 56:34Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if it really started to be for real, but, but it's definitely having a breakdown. It used to have a clean veneer. It used to have a great facade.

• 56:41Speaker 06

  But now we're full of just big, big veneers.

• 56:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So Terry was specifically implicated for the March 2023 game between the Charlotte Hornets and the New Orleans Pelicans. He was playing for the Hornets at the time and pulled himself out of the game, like Paul said, as a part of a pre-planned move. He played just 10 minutes before leaving the game with a foot injury.

• 57:05Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 57:05Laci Mosley?

  Sportsbooks received $200,000 in wagers on prop bets for Terry's points, rebounds, and assists. So a year later, the IRS placed a tax lien of $8 million on Terry, which hasn't been lifted. Terry was charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Maybe he was getting some of them pokey paintings. So Damon Jones. He has an interesting background, right? He was an assistant coach for the Cavaliers in 2018, and he famously had an altercation with player J.R. Smith in the Cavs lunchroom. Smith ended up throwing hot soup on Damon, basically because Damon wouldn't stop annoying him with pranks. Smith got a one-game suspension.

• 57:49Laci Mosley?

  Take a page out of Madea's book. We're throwing hot grits, we're throwing hot soup on people, you know?

• 57:54Speaker 06

  I'm also, here's what I'm gonna say. You know, in these environments, I understand there's a social component to, to what they're doing. They're always around each other and so forth. No pranks. I'm not interested in pranks.

• 58:07Speaker 07

  This is the thing. There's so many, but these are young guys. They got a prank.

• 58:10Speaker 06

  No pranks.

• 58:11Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 58:12Speaker 07

  I've heard a great story about a very famous, arguably one of the most famous. You put it like a top 10 of basketball players would

• 58:23Speaker 07

  shit in magazines in the bathroom and close it up. And then when people go to the, the bathroom in like the locker room, they go, what, what's this? And open up the magazine and there'd be a piece of human shit in.

• 58:36Speaker 06

  So this is a perfect example of a prank that I don't want to be having.

• 58:40Laci Mosley?

  That's a biohazard.

• 58:41Speaker 06

  Yes, that is horrible. That is.

• 58:43Speaker 07

  I mean Dwight Howard's famous for farting in people's faces and stuff like that.

• 58:47Speaker 06

  Those people are gonna get pink eye and they're not gonna be able to play the next game.

• 58:50Laci Mosley?

  Is this what men think pranks are?

• 58:52Speaker 07

  Dwight Howard is.

• 58:54Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 58:54Speaker 07

  Dwight Howard has a history of doing some of the grossest pranks.

• 58:58Speaker 06

  Here's what I'll say. Unfunny people think that funny pranks is just being mean to other people.

• 59:05Laci Mosley?

  Like being harmful, like.

• 59:06Speaker 06

  Being horrible is like.

• 59:07Laci Mosley?

  I stabbed you. It's a prank. Like, what?

• 59:10Speaker 06

  Yes. Yeah, that's my shit under your fingernails.

• 59:13Laci Mosley?

  And I've played pranks. Sometimes in Ireland we'll play pranks. I played a prank on Danny Pootie. He loves to drink a lot of water and so he has a 10 one, you know? It's a term to just mean use the restroom. But so, you know, I asked one of the PAs to come with me into his trailer because like you can't go into somebody else's trailer alone. Like that's suspicious and weird. And so I was like, can you come with me? Cause I'm gonna do a little prank. And so I found this like fuzzy blue monster mask because it was like around Halloween last time we were there. And I taped it to the head of his toilet seat and then put the toilet seat back down.

• 59:49Speaker 06

  Oh, so when he opened it, like a monster jumped out.

• 59:52Laci Mosley?

  There's like a little monster.

• 59:53Speaker 07

  That's funny. That's a fun, that's a fun prank.

• 59:55Speaker 06

  I'm okay with that.

• 59:55Laci Mosley?

  It was funny. He laughed with a laugh. Like, it was funny.

• 59:59Speaker 06

  That, that to me.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  Shit in a magazine is insane.

• 1:00:02Speaker 06

  That's different. That's mean. That is like.

• 1:00:05Laci Mosley?

  It's beyond mean.

• 1:00:06Speaker 06

  That's hazing. That's cruel. That is, that's disgusting.

• 1:00:10Laci Mosley?

  If you pooping something and I, we gotta fight. Like, I'm sorry. It's a fist to cuss.

• 1:00:14Speaker 06

  You, you know that I'm gonna talk to HR.

• 1:00:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 06

  Here's the deal. He made me handle his shit. I need to talk to HR.

• 1:00:22Speaker 07

  Well, that you can't because then you're rat.

• 1:00:25Speaker 06

  I'm sorry, what?

• 1:00:26Speaker 07

  Then you're rat.

• 1:00:26Speaker 06

  This is mob. Are you mobbed up?

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  So, um, we have to continue. He is, I don't know if he's a mob or the feds now. We don't know what Paul has going on. So, um, being a player and a coach for the Cavaliers is also how Damon got to know LeBron James. Damon later used his friendship with LeBron to place illegal bets on Lakers games. In 2023, Damon revealed details on LeBron's injury before it was public info, asking his gambling associates to place bets on the opposing team, the Milwaukee Bucks. Uh, Milwaukee again, not Cream City.

• 1:01:04Laci Mosley?

  So, his text said, "Get a big bet on Milwaukee tonight before the information is out!" Exclamation point. LeBron is out tonight. Bet enough so Jones can eat two now!" Exclamation point, exclamation point. Why are you sending this via text, bro? Like, this is a crime. Why wouldn't you call? It's 2023 and you're sending texts like, "Hey, do the crime fast. It's a good night for doing crimes." Like, what are you doing?

• 1:01:30Speaker 07

  People never think their phone's gonna get confiscated.

• 1:01:32Laci Mosley?

  That's insane. And so the Lakers lost the game against the Bucks by 115 to 106.

• 1:01:38Speaker 07

  That someone else's phone will get confiscated and then your text will be on it.

• 1:01:41Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Or have we all not heard about the nebulous cloud? The cloud. Nobody really knows what it is, but everything stays forever.

• 1:01:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:49Speaker 06

  Oh, and if you think by doing illegal stuff, anybody in the government, anybody who would be investigating this, they have access to all of it. They have access to the cloud. They have access to everything.

• 1:02:01Laci Mosley?

  Deleted messages, like, everything is forever. Don't put shit in writing.

• 1:02:04Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  Go get a flip phone. I don't understand why Damon didn't go, you know, get one of them flip phones from Nokia.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  I mean, they're doing, they're doing mob biz, they're doing business with the mob. They don't have burners? I would think part of the fun would be going and getting a burner and being like, "I've got a burner."

• 1:02:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, get that burner. Use that burner. Like, freaking bad stuff.

• 1:02:22Laci Mosley?

  So, since these crime rings involve both NBA players and mafia families, there are lots of nicknames.

• 1:02:30Speaker 06

  Colorful characters.

• 1:02:32Laci Mosley?

  Listed in the FBI indictment. Imagine your nickname in the indictment. Here are a few selected AKAs from the documents. Jason's smiling from ear to ear.

• 1:02:42Speaker 06

  This is the only, it's so funny. This is the only part of this story I have.

• 1:02:46Speaker 07

  I love this.

• 1:02:47Laci Mosley?

  So Eric Ernest was also known as Spook.

• 1:02:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Laci Mosley?

  Jarvis Fairley, also known as Ves, Vezino, and Vezino Lox.

• 1:02:59Speaker 07

  I love that.

• 1:03:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't know what he was doing with Lox, but he was known as that. We have Shane Hennan, also known as Sugar.

• 1:03:07Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:08Laci Mosley?

  Damon Jones, also known as Dee Jones or D E E Jones. That's not a very creative name, and you could have did better. What was a better name for Damon Jones? Um, Monmon, Monmon Jones?

• 1:03:22Speaker 07

  I like Monmon.

• 1:03:23Speaker 06

  Heymon?

• 1:03:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Heymon, Heymon. Yeah, I like that too. We have De Niro Laster, which honestly, that name, you could have just kept mobbing with De Niro Laster. That sounds very mobby.

• 1:03:35Speaker 06

  That feels mobby.

• 1:03:36Laci Mosley?

  He went as Nero Peso or Peso.

• 1:03:40Speaker 07

  I like that.

• 1:03:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I like that. I like Peso. I like, I like Nero. Nero feels, if someone was like Nero's coming, I would be afraid. I would be afraid. Terry Rozet was known as Scary Terry and Chum.

• 1:03:55Speaker 06

  Oh, because he was chum in the waters?

• 1:03:57Speaker 07

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:03:58Laci Mosley?

  Bringing it back to the sea cops.

• 1:04:00Speaker 06

  I mean, chum in the waters. I, I mean, I, I hope there's some shark sheriffs around to make sure nothing gets out of control.

• 1:04:06Laci Mosley?

  So if Terry's chum, he's the big fish are coming.

• 1:04:11Speaker 06

  He's attracting the fish.

• 1:04:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:04:14Laci Mosley?

  Oh, they thought about that one.

• 1:04:15Speaker 07

  I like that one. Chum is good.

• 1:04:16Speaker 06

  They called him Chum because he attracted the.

• 1:04:18Speaker 07

  He don't want to be chum.

• 1:04:19Speaker 06

  He attracted the whales.

• 1:04:20Laci Mosley?

  Because you're gonna get ate.

• 1:04:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, and he did.

• 1:04:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:23Speaker 07

  He's the one that had showed up.

• 1:04:24Speaker 06

  Chum, chum.

• 1:04:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 07

  And when he showed up, can I just say, when he showed up to trial, I think he sent a very, or his arraignment, he sent a very clear message, which was he was wearing a hoodie that was Rich Paul, who represents LeBron James and a lot of giant athletes.

• 1:04:40Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:04:41Speaker 07

  He was wearing his sports agency's hoodie.

• 1:04:45Laci Mosley?

  Is it Rich Paul with the D?

• 1:04:46Speaker 07

  Uh, yes, or it was.

• 1:04:47Laci Mosley?

  Um, wait, can we pull up those court looks, Jess?

• 1:04:50Speaker 07

  But I thought that was a very damning thing to do. Like, basically, he's wearing Rich Paul's company's hoodie, which represents all athletes, or the biggest athletes.

• 1:05:01Speaker 06

  So he's saying-

• 1:05:02Speaker 07

  Here it is, like, uh, so you see, I guess he-

• 1:05:03Laci Mosley?

  Is he trying to snitch on everybody and be like, everybody did it?

• 1:05:05Speaker 07

  So he has the Clutch Sports Group shirt on, which I think is sending a message like, y'all knew.

• 1:05:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 07

  So, I'm not going down, you're going down with me.

• 1:05:16Speaker 06

  I'm part of a larger, there is a bigger-

• 1:05:20Laci Mosley?

  So it's a threat.

• 1:05:21Speaker 07

  Many hoodies you could wear, but he chose the one, he wears the one, the Clutch Sports Group one, that basically says, y'all knew.

• 1:05:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and that's a threat.

• 1:05:32Speaker 07

  That's a threat. I believe that is a threat.

• 1:05:35Laci Mosley?

  He's like, I'm gonna start singing like a canary if y'all don't-

• 1:05:38Speaker 07

  I believe that is-

• 1:05:40Laci Mosley?

  Rob your judges and your lawmakers.

• 1:05:41Speaker 07

  I believe he was like, you all knew, you may have gotten profited from this, you may have known, you may have been a part of this. Get out there, because I'll take down everyone.

• 1:05:51Laci Mosley?

  And it's also like, maybe your hands aren't clean, because if he's a smart criminal, he's got some receipts.

• 1:05:57Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:58Laci Mosley?

  So-

• 1:06:00Speaker 06

  Especially if everybody's texting.

• 1:06:01Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Like, why aren't y'all texted in 2025?

• 1:06:04Speaker 06

  I mean, they're not even on, like, Signal or WhatsApp.

• 1:06:08Speaker 07

  Well, Signal doesn't even help.

• 1:06:09Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the fucking government was using Signal. It was like, let's do the secret mission on Signal.

• 1:06:14Speaker 07

  Go too hard on the government.

• 1:06:18Laci Mosley?

  So if-

• 1:06:18Speaker 06

  Pete Hegseth's in the chat being like, the, the, we're, we're bombing the boats at, at 0800, and I'm putting $10,000 on LeBron to drop out in the second period.

• 1:06:29Speaker 07

  Thanks to my friend, Monmon.

• 1:06:30Laci Mosley?

  Shots, shots on Venezuela, shots before Venezuela, everybody?

• 1:06:34Speaker 06

  Can you bet on, um, America's wartime activities?

• 1:06:40Laci Mosley?

  They literally are treating it like it's Battleship. So if convicted, there are fraud and money laundering indictments. Like, if they get convicted of these, these defendants could get decades behind bars. Sports betting has been around since the first Olympics in 776 B.C. Before Christ, yeah.

• 1:06:58Speaker 06

  I mean, not for nothing, that's, that's the Greeks. The Greeks invented that Olympics.

• 1:07:02Laci Mosley?

  We had to scroll it in a tablet.

• 1:07:04Speaker 06

  These are my people, we did it, we weren't-

• 1:07:06Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Jason's back on board.

• 1:07:08Speaker 06

  We did it.

• 1:07:08Laci Mosley?

  The man Zoukis jumped out.

• 1:07:10Speaker 06

  Yep, we made the Olympics happen, and everybody ruined it with betting. And I bet back then, I bet back then, it was the Italians still. I think it was still the Italians, the organized crime, the 700 B.C. version of the five families.

• 1:07:29Speaker 07

  Vincenzo was up there doing it.

• 1:07:31Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:07:32Speaker 07

  Vinnie the Chin.

• 1:07:33Laci Mosley?

  Apolophemous. I don't know.

• 1:07:35Speaker 07

  Apollo.

• 1:07:38Laci Mosley?

  Apollo the mallow. I don't know. But yeah, the sports betting apps like FanDuel and DraftKings have a direct sponsorship deal. Like they have direct sponsorship deals with top American sports leagues, which we've talked about, that are worth billions of dollars spread over years.

• 1:07:53Speaker 07

  Here's what I'll say. There's also something that never was proven and there's a lot of rumor about it. There's great podcasts about it. Refs were doing this in the NBA for a long time. And there's some of the refs are still actually, some were indicted, some were not, some are still reffing. This has been an organization that has had a lot of betting. And if, like, when I look at this, I feel like when they knew the refs were doing it, they're like, we should do it too.

• 1:08:15Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:08:16Speaker 07

  We should make some money too. Make some money on the side. You know, I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:08:20Laci Mosley?

  So wait, final thoughts here from both of you?

• 1:08:24Speaker 07

  I love the way that they're doing these poker tables. We were talking about contacts and this is like James Bond level shit. Like, and we're scamming rich people. You make me feel bad because now I go, well, they're rich kids who are having a lot of money. Then that makes me feel bad. But if you're just scamming like rich people who are trying to find illegal places to bet to get more money, then like fuck them. Like, I'm like, you're like, I need to get even more. I can't even do it in the casino system.

• 1:08:47Speaker 06

  This feels like trickle down scamonomics. You know what I mean?

• 1:08:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:08:52Speaker 06

  Which is like, I feel like scams like this used to exist or have always existed, but just on a very thin margin, which was where illegal betting took place. Which was, like we were saying, if you had a bookie, if you had a connection, if you had a this, if you had a that. But now that betting has been democratized so much, it's such a wider group of people who can be scammed by the the process of betting on sports and I guess everything else. So it hasn't everything. Now, aren't we just prisoner to these kind of scams? As long as this kind of betting culture exists and is not just propped up,

• 1:09:35Speaker 06

  but encouraged by the sports that are being bet on, isn't this just going to proliferate continuously? Isn't this just the tip of the iceberg of some sort?

• 1:09:44Speaker 07

  I guess I also think this. At the end of the day, this is a self like inflicted scam. You're trying to find an illegal thing to do. Like, it's not like they, it wasn't like they went into people's houses and made them play cards with them, right? You know what I'm saying? So it's like you were trying to also scam and get some extra money. Like, that's like, these are things that you're doing something.

• 1:10:07Laci Mosley?

  You can't rob a bank with your homie and then your homie takes all the money you robbed to be like, he robbed me from the bank robbery.

• 1:10:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're, they're doing something. I mean, and not to say that they, anyone deserves it, obviously, but it's like, you're already doing something illegal and weird. And you get scammed in that, it's like, yeah, what do you think the rules? You're already doing an illegal thing, so you're saying, wait, they're, they're tricking me? What was that? If you told me as a Venetian, I'd be like.

• 1:10:30Laci Mosley?

  No longer among thieves.

• 1:10:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's like, yeah.

• 1:10:32Laci Mosley?

  And also, it feels kind of elitist to me because you could have gambled on DraftKings or whatever the fuck you probably are hawking online, or you could have gone to the casino. But you want to go to a place where there are famous people and it's exclusive and private and invite only and underground. It feels like how rich people always kind of shift this, the financial success indicators. Cause like in the eighties, if you were wearing like a purse that had logos or if you're wearing clothing that had logos, that was a significant, like, it was a sign of success, right? It was, rich people would do that. But then now, because logos and brands and luxury brands have become more accessible, either being bootlegged or being, you know, resold or whatever. Now, rich people have moved to quiet luxury.

• 1:11:17Laci Mosley?

  So it's like, I have on an $800 hat, but you only know if you know type shit. So it's like, y'all couldn't, y'all couldn't be with the normies at the casino no more. Y'all had to have an underground ring with celebrities.

• 1:11:28Speaker 07

  And by the way, you probably like, I lost a. I lost a lot of money to terrorists here last night. You know, it's like.

• 1:11:33Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 1:11:34Speaker 06

  There's bragging rights on that front. And then there's the other side, which is helping your buddies get rich with the insider information.

• 1:11:42Speaker 07

  Right. And I can also see them saying, look, the NBA fucked me over. I need more money. I'm broke and I'm gonna take it from the NBA. I mean, it's all like, it's a complicated thing. I mean, is it a good scam? It doesn't seem like they should have, they should have not have texted as much.

• 1:11:56Speaker 06

  I feel like.

• 1:11:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the texting was really where they fucked up.

• 1:11:59Speaker 06

  It seems so dumb. And you know. Sloppy is a great word.

• 1:12:02Speaker 07

  And to Jason's point, this is happening at a high profile place. But that's the whole thing is like, there's a lot of underground gambling going on. If they have this technology for these guys, they have it in those places too. The minute you walk into that thing, you have to imagine.

• 1:12:15Speaker 06

  I feel like once you know that the capabilities are there to cheat at this technological scale.

• 1:12:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Speaker 06

  How can you knowingly participate in that kind of gambling? That kind of sketchy, you know, gray area gambling, you know, basement level, high stakes, blah, blah, blah, without assuming I'm being scammed in some way.

• 1:12:36Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I do have to appreciate cheating innovation, though. You know what I mean?

• 1:12:40Speaker 07

  That's what I'm saying. Like, let's appreciate the way that they did it.

• 1:12:43Laci Mosley?

  Of cheating, the Steve Jobs of conning. Like, you know, he was like, what if I could make a table that could look at everybody's car? I mean, I don't know.

• 1:12:51Speaker 06

  Or the simplicity of, wasn't there a guy in chess a couple of years ago who was wearing a vibrating butt plug?

• 1:12:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:12:58Speaker 06

  And he was getting messages sent to him from somebody that you talked about? Oh, okay, okay.

• 1:13:03Laci Mosley?

  It was like Morris booty coat.

• 1:13:04Speaker 07

  I love this.

• 1:13:06Speaker 06

  Exactly. So I'm like, the technology is there.

• 1:13:08Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:13:09Laci Mosley?

  You know what?

• 1:13:10Speaker 07

  And kink.

• 1:13:10Laci Mosley?

  I love it.

• 1:13:11Speaker 06

  Yes. Yes. The scam technology and the kink technology.

• 1:13:17Speaker 07

  Finally.

• 1:13:18Speaker 06

  Are finally coming together.

• 1:13:19Laci Mosley?

  Merging. And we love that for us. All right, well, that brings us to the end of a very beautiful episode. Thank you so much for being here. We always ask at the end of our show, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to plug? Obviously, if you're not already listening to How Did This Get Made? Like, duh. But anything and everything.

• 1:13:39Speaker 06

  I'll shout out, I'm in season two of The Percy Jackson Show that is airing currently on Disney, as well as the Netflix show, Man on the Inside, season two. Both of which are available now. Like you said, Paul and I and June Diane Raphael are on the How Did This Get Made podcast? And, well, not for nothing, Taskmaster, season 19, is entirely available on YouTube and is hilarious.

• 1:14:03Speaker 07

  So good. I will plug The Dark Web, a show I do with Rob people every week on YouTube. It's just a YouTube show, there's no podcast component. So there you go, enjoy it, free.

• 1:14:13Laci Mosley?

  Love that. And as always, guys, you can find all the images from the show at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. You can find me on Instagram at D I B A L A C I diva Lacey on all platforms. Going Dutch comes out January 15th, only on Fox. Watch the first season if you haven't seen it already. My book Scam Goddess is available, available audio and in hard copy book form everywhere you get your books or put your things in your ears. I am going on a little mini tour, guys, in the spring, starting in March.

• 1:14:45Speaker 06

  Earlier, you said you're playing your hometown and your mom is coming?

• 1:14:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:14:50Speaker 06

  Does she come to every show?

• 1:14:51Laci Mosley?

  No, but she's come to a few. She was in New York the last time I did New York.

• 1:14:56Speaker 06

  Will you bring her onstage? Is she someone that you?

• 1:14:58Laci Mosley?

  She has come onstage in LA.

• 1:15:01Speaker 06

  Is she really onstage?

• 1:15:01Laci Mosley?

  When I did an LA show. Oh, she's fantastic onstage. Everyone loves her. She's like such a, she's such a magnetic force. I have the type, my mother, like, I remember my first, like, TV acting role that was airing. My mom got on Facebook and she was like, hey, guys, tune in tonight on ABC. You might see someone who looks like me.

• 1:15:21Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:15:24Speaker 06

  That's it.

• 1:15:26Speaker 07

  That's good.

• 1:15:26Speaker 06

  Oh, that's so perfect.

• 1:15:27Laci Mosley?

  She's a diva. She's a diva for sure. I made my Instagram Diva Lacey and then all of a sudden my mom pops up with an Instagram and it's Diva LB and I was like, man.

• 1:15:35Speaker 07

  Oh, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

• 1:15:38Laci Mosley?

  But she deserves. She's an icon.

• 1:15:40Speaker 06

  That's so cute.

• 1:15:40Laci Mosley?

  She taught me everything that I know. How to throw parties, how to do anything.

• 1:15:45Speaker 06

  That's awesome.

• 1:15:46Laci Mosley?

  So she'll be in Dallas if you guys want to meet her.

• 1:15:48Speaker 06

  Next time we play Dallas, she better come to our show.

• 1:15:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, we'll give her a ticket.

• 1:15:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I will definitely let her know.

• 1:15:53Speaker 06

  There'll be a ticket at the boot at the Will Call for Diva LB.

• 1:15:57Speaker 07

  I love it.

• 1:15:58Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:15:58Speaker 06

  Right? That's what you said, right?

• 1:15:59Laci Mosley?

  She would show up for that. Congregation, don't forget about trickle down scamonomics. Use it. Use it to your advantage, but don't text about it. Scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Sisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

• 1:16:28Speaker 08

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