Yvette Nicole Brown on Why It's Never Too Late for Love

Yvette Nicole Brown and Keke reunite for a heartfelt conversation filled with laughs, memories, and surprises. Yvette opens up about marrying at 53, caring for her father through Alzheimer’s, speaking up for what she believes in, and whether a Community movie is finally happening. They revisit Drake & Josh, relive their viral Password “Titanic” moment, and Lady Miss Jacqueline makes a surprise appearance to celebrate their new Audible series, The Weddings of Lady Miss Jacqueline. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Keke Palmer?

  There are people who make you laugh, and then there are people who make you feel safe while you are laughing. Yvette Nicole Brown is one of those people. You know her as Helen from Drake and Josh, classic. Shirley Bennett from Community. And a career full of characters with heart, conviction, and just enough side eye to keep everybody honest. She is also a producer, advocate, caregiver, wife, and the host of the Gracie Award-winning podcast, Squeezed. Now she is stepping into the audible universe of the weddings of Lady Miss Jaclyn as one of its incredible narrators. Today, we are talking about the many lives inside one woman's voice. The voice that makes us laugh, speaks up for what matters, cares for the people she loves, and finally says, "I get to choose joy."

• 0:46Keke Palmer?

  So get comfortable, because this one is going to make us laugh and give us all the feels. Baby, this is Keke Palmer. And baby, this is Yvette Nicole Brown.

• 1:26Keke Palmer?

  Today's episode is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Seventh Generation. I know I'm extra. They know I'm extra. We've made peace with it. But my cleaning products don't get to be extra. They get to work. Seventh Generation keeps it simple, so I don't have to pretend otherwise. Let's get into today's show.

• 1:47Keke Palmer?

  Come on out here, girl. I had you back there for a minute, hearing everything.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Why are you so cute?

• 1:54Keke Palmer?

  We both knew to do the platform.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 1:56Keke Palmer?

  I was like, I gotta let you.

• 1:59Keke Palmer?

  I love gifts.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Yes, I love. It ain't, listen.

• 2:01Keke Palmer?

  You are so.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  First of all, when I did.

• 2:04Keke Palmer?

  Just a classic.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Your show.

• 2:05Keke Palmer?

  OMG, True Jackson VP.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  You remember what you gave me? When I, you and Ashley gave me earrings? That I still have, by the way.

• 2:12Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. Shout out to Ashley and Gordon.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I still have my little earrings.

• 2:16Keke Palmer?

  My dear Ashley, oh, my gosh.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Hi, baby.

• 2:18Keke Palmer?

  We had so much fun on True Jackson VP in those days. Girl.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  You were number one and killing it.

• 2:23Keke Palmer?

  Wait, can I look at my card now? Should I wait?

• 2:25Speaker 01

  You can look at it now. This is a little something. I just wanted to give you.

• 2:28Keke Palmer?

  I'm a big card person.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  You are.

• 2:30Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, yes.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  I hope you like it. It's just a little card.

• 2:34Keke Palmer?

  First of all, butterfly. Come on, I love butterflies.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  That's my baby. My little baby.

• 2:39Keke Palmer?

  "Kiki, I remain so proud of you, the woman you've become, and all the good and whimsy you put into the world. The sky has always been the limit for you. You, baby girl, are one of one. I adore you and am blessed to call you friend." I love you so much.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  You know I love you. This ain't even no news.

• 2:54Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. This ain't news? I love you so, so much.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  I love you, baby.

• 2:58Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. Shout out to Andy Gordon for putting us together.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Man, that was a good time.

• 3:02Keke Palmer?

  That was a good time. Very good time. Very good show.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 3:05Keke Palmer?

  Oh, this is beautiful.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  See that? So it can be an ornament. It could be something you leave on your.

• 3:10Keke Palmer?

  Right on your door. Oh, my gosh.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  And it says, "Be the light," because that's what you are.

• 3:13Keke Palmer?

  Be the light. How beautiful.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Always the light. Every room. You're the light.

• 3:17Keke Palmer?

  Oh, just love you. Takes one to know one, girl.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  We doing the best we can over here.

• 3:21Keke Palmer?

  Okay. Well, let's get into it. I'm so happy to have you on the podcast. Long overdue. You know, I always do my pre-show pull-up questions.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Let's do it. I'm ready. I prepared. Do I gotta get it? Now, your platform or mine gonna get it?

• 3:32Keke Palmer?

  They invaded me.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  All right.

• 3:33Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so you're Zodiac sign. I can't believe I don't know you're Zodiac sign.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  So I did, I did homework, because I knew you were gonna ask this question. I mean, of course, I know.

• 3:41Keke Palmer?

  I just listened to Tracy say it.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  I know I'm a Leo. Hello? And everybody knows.

• 3:44Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  I'm a Leo. Come on now. Come on. So I'm a Leo, and my ascendant is a Virgo, which explains so much. My Pluto is Virgo, which explains so much. And then my moon is Taurus.

• 3:56Keke Palmer?

  Oh, I love a Taurus down.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  And I also have Leo and Venus and sun.

• 4:00Keke Palmer?

  You're very balanced. That fire is keeping it amped up.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Because I don't know that. I was looking forward to you telling me this stuff, because I saw it, but I don't know what it means.

• 4:08Keke Palmer?

  Well, what I hear, when I'm thinking about it, is, first of all, Leo, that Leo energy is strong. That's why you're so fierce. You're always getting out there, making things known.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:14Keke Palmer?

  Um, Taurus, you know, a lot of people give all the aesthetic credit to To- to Libras, but Tauruses are very aesthetic. They beautiful. They know how to align things, make them right. You know what I'm saying? They have a particular way of doing things.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:26Keke Palmer?

  And then the Virgo, I mean.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Well, sailor.

• 4:28Keke Palmer?

  You know, you know.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Does it need to be sailor?

• 4:30Keke Palmer?

  I mean, Michael, Beyonce.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Does it need to be sailor?

• 4:32Keke Palmer?

  Need we say more?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  I don't think you need to say it.

• 4:34Keke Palmer?

  No, no.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 4:35Keke Palmer?

  Um, your love language. What is your love language? How do you like to receive it, and how do you find yourself giving it out?

• 4:39Speaker 01

  I am a words of affirmation, girl. Like, I love, you should know this.

• 4:44Keke Palmer?

  Well, I just received it.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I love to pour into people. Like, I'll pour into strangers. I'll be at the, you know, the frozen food section. You know what? Let me tell you something about your hair. The way you do it, I just love to just put a little something in there. So, words of affirmation, and, um, I think quality time? But I'm such an introvert that it's gotta be one-on-one quality time.

• 5:03Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  You put me in a group, girl, and I'm like.

• 5:04Keke Palmer?

  It's so crazy how you said, I mean, like, I get it, because I can be an introvert, but isn't it so funny that we're still so out here with it, though?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  You know what it is, though? I tell people this all the time, because no one believes I'm an introvert. I'm an introvert that likes people.

• 5:17Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  So if you like people, then you enjoy the time. But the thing is, once I've had the people time, I'm gonna be in fetal position, trying to get myself together for about two or three days. I need to recharge by myself.

• 5:28Keke Palmer?

  It's so true. I need that recharging. Because also, I feel like you probably can relate to this. I really just get very hospitable.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:35Keke Palmer?

  Anytime someone is in my presence, I'm not, look, we both gotta be here. I'm trying to make sure I have a good time, therefore you have a good time. Like, you know, so.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 5:44Keke Palmer?

  But when no one's around, it's like.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Exactly. But this is the thing. I don't think people realize, when you're, I, I think of myself as an outward-facing person. So my, my motto is always, "I want everybody to be all right."

• 5:55Keke Palmer?

  Yes, for sure.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  People don't realize, that takes a lot of energy, because I'm always, I'm going through the room, like, who, what am I here for? Who am I here for? What am I here for? And so, I try to always be a respite and a refuge, and not to be the problem.

• 6:08Keke Palmer?

  Oh, respite and a refuge.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Somewhere in the corner, "Come on, get me when you're ready, and if you need me, I'm here." That's how I move through life.

• 6:14Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I love that. Um, what is something your friends roast you for? If there's anything.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Ooh, um, yeah, I'm a little bossy.

• 6:23Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Leo. Of course.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  I'm a little bossy, and a little, a little bossy. Yeah, and my patience is bad. I found that out getting married. My husband has let me know, "Listen."

• 6:32Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  You are lovely, but calm it down.

• 6:35Keke Palmer?

  That's what can be so scary about getting so close to somebody. They about to start telling you about you.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  But this is what I think about marriage, and I'm no expert. I'm like a year and a half in. But I believe that being married, being married, it's your job to make your mate palatable for the world.

• 6:48Keke Palmer?

  Interesting.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  So you at home, sloughing off them rough edges, saying, "Fix your face." You know, maybe don't say that, whatever, so that they can go out in the world and everybody else can deal with them. So it's your job to get that person together. So Tony's at home, like, "Listen here, player." Like, yo, the way you impatient, that ain't, that ain't good. And so now I'm like, okay, if I do better for him, I'm doing better for the world.

• 7:07Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I love, I love that, because it is collaborative, I would imagine. I mean, I haven't had, not, not married, never been married. But I, I love the idea of this person here checks and balances, and making sure I'm good, and I'm making sure they're good.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Yes, what it is. Everybody need a person to make sure they good. And, and listen, it doesn't have to be a mate. But it don't have to be a mate, though. You know what I mean? Y'all, remember, I didn't get married to 53. So if I didn't have, who was taking care of me up to that time? My mother, my friends, you know what I mean? So it's like, it doesn't have to be a mate. And, um, I, I love this, because you talked about this when Tracy was on, and I'm always big up in Tracy.

• 7:37Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I love her.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  I think that they tell women that we have to check off all this stuff off the list. And if you haven't done it by a certain time, you've somehow failed as a woman. And I think what's so great about me not getting married to 53 is that I had a full, rich life, and had it continued?

• 7:53Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  I'd have been great.

• 7:55Keke Palmer?

  Right, right.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  They seem to think that we're not happy if we don't have nobody, and it's just not true. And so, I tell people, if you want to get married, great. If you don't want to get married, great. Just build a life that works for you.

• 8:06Keke Palmer?

  I love that. There's so much more that we're gonna get into about that, especially even the process in which of, whether you do or don't meet that person. Just the process of having fun and dating and companionship in the middle of all that. So we'll get into that. Last question on the pre-show pull-up is, what is one movie you could watch over and over again? I can't wait to get into your movie taste real quick.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Oh, God, it's gotta be just one.

• 8:26Keke Palmer?

  Okay, give me top three.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll give you top three. Princess Bride.

• 8:30Keke Palmer?

  I actually don't know. Don't get me. I know you know what I was gonna say.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Kiki.

• 8:34Keke Palmer?

  I don't think I've ever seen.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  We got to stop the podcast and watch it right now. You ain't want, you never watched it?

• 8:38Keke Palmer?

  I've never watched it, girl.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something. First of all, it's okay. And, and, and I'll allow it. And I know that you gonna have a time of your life, but I wish you had seen it at, like, 13 or 14. Like, it is a foundational movie. Like, just what it teaches you, um, about love, and about family, and about honor, and loyalty, and fighting, and believing again. Um, Carrie Elwes, um, Robin Wright, um, Billy Crystal.

• 9:04Keke Palmer?

  I know him.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Carol Kane. Um, you know Robin Wright. She was in Forrest Gump. She played Jenny. Jenny.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Jenny in Forrest Gump?

• 9:14Keke Palmer?

  Jenny's life went so alive with that.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jenny went through some things.

• 9:17Keke Palmer?

  I hated that for Jenny.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, she had to suffer through some things.

• 9:20Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, that was tough.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Ma'am, yeah. Um, so your Princess Bride, um, watch, you used to watch over and over again?

• 9:26Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, so Princess Bride.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  The Wiz.

• 9:28Keke Palmer?

  Oh, The Wiz. Come on.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  The Wiz, baby. And, um, this is, I don't know if you know this one, but I think this is another one you should watch if you have not, um, All About Eve.

• 9:39Keke Palmer?

  It's about that little girl? When the mama says?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  No, you gonna love All About Eve.

• 9:42Keke Palmer?

  All About Eve. What happens?

• 9:44Speaker 01

  All About Eve is a story of, um,

• 9:46Keke Palmer?

  An actress.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  A famous actress.

• 9:47Keke Palmer?

  This was it?

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Who has this little-

• 9:48Keke Palmer?

  I'm ready for my close up, Mr. Demir.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  No, no, that's another one.

• 9:50Keke Palmer?

  Oh.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Who has this little, this little, little bitzy comes in and decides she gonna be all nice to her and act like she's, is for her, but the whole time she coming, coming for her spot. All about Eve.

• 10:01Keke Palmer?

  What year is it? It's black and white, isn't it?

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Fifty, fifty-six? Betty Davis says it's gonna be a bumpin' night. Yeah, you gonna love that.

• 10:08Keke Palmer?

  All About Eve.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Watch All About, I promise you, you are-

• 10:13Keke Palmer?

  Girl, you got me to movies tonight.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  You might wanna remake it. You could remake it. And I don't know which role you play.

• 10:19Keke Palmer?

  Maybe it's Angela Bassett in me.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Oh! Y'all, we done did something up in here. We done did something up in here.

• 10:25Keke Palmer?

  Angela Bassett in me, All About Eve, I'm coming in, I'm trying to take a spot.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  But I kinda want you to wait until you could be Margot Channing. Like, I want you to get like another ten, fifteen years on you, and I want you to play Margot Channing, but-

• 10:36Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Maybe you do it with, with Angela now, and then you come back in twenty years and you're Margot Channing. You start as Eve and you do Margot Channing.

• 10:42Keke Palmer?

  And he's gonna be like-

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something.

• 10:44Keke Palmer?

  Channing McLean or Ma- St. Martin or somebody.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, just make me a producer. All I say, make me a producer.

• 10:49Keke Palmer?

  Woo! I love that. We got our next project.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  We got it, we got it, baby, we got it.

• 10:54Keke Palmer?

  Mm-hmm. Okay, so you are known, and this must be a heavyweight title, however, I feel you were with Grace. You're like known as one of the kindest women in Hollywood.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Oh, I hope that's true. That's lovely.

• 11:04Keke Palmer?

  I feel that it's true. I know you, and I know so many other people know you, we all feel that way. But there must be something that gets on your nerves. What's, what, what is some of your pet peeves?

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Have you seen my threads lately?

• 11:14Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, Kiki, I've been friends. Threads is so good.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Threads is so fun.

• 11:17Keke Palmer?

  Threads was a good answer to X.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  It's a good time, it's a good time. So I am very angry about what's happening in the world.

• 11:23Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  I am so disgusted with where we are, and then also when I think about where we could be. You know what I mean?

• 11:30Keke Palmer?

  Look, I know everybody's trying to make sure their family is good. I understand. It's like, you know, hey, I just gotta make sure everything's good at my back door. But I agree with you, like, on a global scale, or, or national at least, you know, it's like, yeah, like, how, how can we all come together? Because what you think is just my problem is just another perspective of your, of your same problem.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  And also, if it's a problem for me now, it's gonna be a problem for you in about ten, fifteen minutes, or days, or whatever. Because it all, that's the one thing that does trickle down. The finances don't trickle down, but the struggle does. So when, when you can't pay for gas, you can't buy groceries, that ain't a black person problem, or gay person problem, or trans person problem. That's a societal problem.

• 12:11Keke Palmer?

  And I probably feel like a lot of people feel this way, um, and I don't wanna like slip into apathy. Maybe you can give me some encouragement on how to stay, you know, hopeful and engaged, because you, you kinda feel like, I don't know if we gonna do it. You know, I, I, I, not like that, but like, but like that.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  I'ma say this, though, Kiki. I, I know for sure that black people are always gonna be okay. Because we've always had to be okay. And you notice that as everything is happening right now, we really okay, all right? As, as a group.

• 12:38Keke Palmer?

  Or as how we've always been.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  As, as okay as we can be with a boot on our neck. We know how to do this. I'm, I wanna get to the point where we no longer have to do it, but we at least know how.

• 12:46Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  And this is the thing, I understand the apathy, but the way we get out is we have to get the people making these decisions out of Congress. So you have to vote.

• 12:54Keke Palmer?

  But you know the people are gonna say, oh, well, everybody's a crunk.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Everybody's not, though.

• 12:58Keke Palmer?

  That's also a big part of it, too, what's, what's happened now is no one trusts anyone.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  But that's what they put in place. They want you to think that everybody's the same. But if you think everybody's the same, just think back four years ago or two years ago, and was it better for you?

• 13:14Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  When, when Barack Obama was in, was it better for you? And I'ma tell you that it was. So that means that they're not all the same.

• 13:21Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  So-

• 13:22Keke Palmer?

  I just love talking about this kinds of stuff, 'cause I'm always trying to figure out how, like, obviously, I'm engaged, I'm voting, but I gotta be, I, I'm also a big believer about being honest about my feelings.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:33Keke Palmer?

  And sometimes I do feel down, and I feel, like, I don't know, I, I wanna know that I feel hopeful that I can make a difference, and I know that I'm not the only person that feels that way. Um, so I appreciate-

• 13:43Speaker 01

  But also, you gotta ask yourself sometimes, why do they want us not to vote? If our vote didn't matter, they wouldn't be trying to make us apathetic. They wouldn't be trying to tell us that both sides are the same, so why even do it? Why are they so insistent on us not voting if voting did not matter? Think about that. They know where the power is. They know. So I'm just saying, I wanna do what they don't want me to do.

• 14:07Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  I'm defiant, like, oh, you don't want me to vote? You don't want me to vote by mail? That's exactly what I'ma do. Exactly what I'ma do. But that's just me.

• 14:15Keke Palmer?

  Yes. But we gotta talk about it. We gotta do it more. I think also the whole getting together, like, the whole keeping us separated, not allowing, you know, eh, you, I'm mad at you, so you're mad at me, and we're mad at each other, and now we can't, that's a big thing, too.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  I think a lot of that is online, too, Kiki. I don't think a lot of that is real. I think that these-

• 14:31Keke Palmer?

  I do believe in cyber warfare.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  I, listen, let me tell you something. I stopped actively using Facebook in twenty sixteen when I found out the role they played in all that, that disinformation and misinformation. I'm realizing now, especially with AI, we're not gonna know that we're talking to a person anymore. So a lot of this dissension, and I can't stand you, and these little comments, a lot of them are not real people. So I think we're more together than we know.

• 14:57Keke Palmer?

  I say that always when it comes to the black diaspora.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  You better say it.

• 15:00Keke Palmer?

  There's a lot of stuff on there that's always trying to, you and you and you and you and you.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  We love each other.

• 15:03Keke Palmer?

  No, no, we love each other. I don't care where you're from.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  You show me a little bit of melanin, we down.

• 15:08Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  I'm down.

• 15:09Keke Palmer?

  I really love that, it's true, that the internet thing, and this is why so much for me is always being about, like, how can I curate a space?

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:16Keke Palmer?

  How can we be a community?

• 15:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:18Keke Palmer?

  Why does it have to be once a year with Essence? Or once a year with Culture Con? How can we make it a, a consistent once a month gag? Where we getting together, talking on live, anything?

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Yes, ma'am.

• 15:28Keke Palmer?

  To just be in communion and create a safe space to, to actually see reality.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:32Keke Palmer?

  Not just think what we're seeing online is reality, but how we're actually engaging with each other.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Come on, come on with it.

• 15:38Keke Palmer?

  That's so, that's so big. So wait a minute, when you were a teenager-

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:41Keke Palmer?

  'Cause I thought this was crazy. You basically stalked Michael Bivins.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  I did.

• 15:45Keke Palmer?

  A bell-bird vote. So, so, so tell me exactly what teenage Yvette did, and where that audacity came from, girl.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  You know what? I, I always thought that I would be a singer. I wanted to be a singer. That's what I, I started off as, right? And if you ask anybody from high school, everybody thought Yvette's gonna be a singer. And so I felt, once I found out Michael Bivins was, was managing folks, I was like, well, that's my way in. I'mma, I'mma find Michael, I'mma sing for him, and he's gonna manage me. My friends thought I was crazy. Um, and then, uh, BBD came to my college town and did a show, and I went to, to the show, went backstage. I love to say his name, Jeff Dyson, is, um, a long time New Edition bodyguard. And he was at the backstage area, and I was like, Mr. Dyson, uh, I need to get backstage, I have to sing for Michael Bivins. He said, you are not going backstage. I'm sorry to hear that that was your plan. It is not happening. I was, you understand, sir, I gotta do it.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  And I, to this day, and he, to this day, he said also, he doesn't know why he did this, he said, you're not coming backstage, but the guys are staying at the Ki-Ho-Go Fall Sheraton. And if you were to happen to be in that lobby by maybe twelve or two o'clock in the morning, you could see him as he comes in.

• 16:49Keke Palmer?

  Twelve or two o'clock in the morning, that's, that's so music. That's so music industry.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  So, I was like, and it was like, it was like ten. I was like, what am I gonna do for two hours in a lobby? Um, but he told me where they were, and so I went and sat in the lobby and waited for him to come in. And, you know, I always like to tell the joke, there were a lot of women in that lobby, and they were there for other reasons.

• 17:06Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  And I'm in there in my little overalls, and my little Gap overalls.

• 17:10Keke Palmer?

  Looking like Janet.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, Mr. Bivins, can I sing for you? Now, Mike is like maybe four years older than me. I was like, Mr. Bivins, can I sing for you? I followed him through that entire, and I think I was nineteen, so he was like twenty-three. I followed him all through that lobby. And then he kept saying no. He was like, I'm tired, no, no, no. So I'm like, well, I tried this, I thought this was my moment, but I tried. So now I'm walking out of the hotel. Now, this hotel was an atrium hotel, so the lobby's in the middle, and all the rooms are on, on the side, so if you're in the middle, in the lobby, you can look up and see all the floors. So as I'm walking out, I hear singing.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  And I look up, and there's Michael Bivins on like floor six, listening to somebody sing, after he done told me no like three, four times. Now I'm pissed.

• 17:52Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  So I get on the elevator, I go up to the floor, and I'm across from him like this, while the person's finishing, I'm like this. And he looked at me, he, he looked at me, and he was like, and I looked at him, and I was like,

• 18:05Speaker 01

  well, go on and sing then.

• 18:07Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, because why you told me no?

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Why you told me no? We ain't even have to be here, man. We could finish this in the lobby.

• 18:12Keke Palmer?

  And I gotta sing with a bad attitude.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  And I, but I'mma sing the mess out of it, so-

• 18:16Keke Palmer?

  What did you sing?

• 18:16Speaker 01

  I sang, um, Go Outside in the Rain by Malira. I know, you don't even remember that song.

• 18:21Keke Palmer?

  Go ahead, give me a little-

• 18:21Speaker 01

  It's a dope. You, you see, now you didn't play it.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Let me see if I can do it. The day's begun. And there's no one inside this empty house to love me. So it was that.

• 18:36Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. Your voice is so good.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  I ain't sung it in 20 years, y'all. This is alright. The breathing is bad, it's whatever. So I sang that, but I sang the whole thing. Thank you, baby. So I sang the whole thing, the chorus, everything. And so he's, he's still pissed. He's like, what's your name? I said, Yvette. He was like, what's your number? He wrote my number down. What's your cell phones? He wrote my number down on piece of paper. Called me the next day. He said, I wanna, what you saying to me was dope. I wanna manage you.

• 19:03Keke Palmer?

  What that? Oh, my.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  It was a voice message. It was a voice message on the old answering machine. Came home from work and Michael Bivins on my answering machine. And I was in East Coast Family, and that was it.

• 19:13Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. And so over the years, I mean, as you both have continued in your careers, what has been y'all's relationship? Are you guys?

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so deep. So, New Edition fan to being managed by Michael Bivins. Then I graduated from college and moved out here, worked for Michael Bivins as his assistant at Biff 10, and then played his mother in a New Edition movie. And we stayed friends through all of it. You and I are still cool. I still talk to his mom. Just talked to him a couple, like about a month ago.

• 19:38Keke Palmer?

  That is crazy. So, I mean, you were really, I mean, I do feel like this is, like, I know a Leo that would do some crazy [BLEEP].

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Crazy, right?

• 19:45Keke Palmer?

  Have you always just been like, yo, I'm gonna go for it?

• 19:48Speaker 01

  I just always.

• 19:49Keke Palmer?

  Brave like that?

• 19:49Speaker 01

  I, I believed that life should be bigger than what I saw. You know, I grew up in East Cleveland, the hood of East Cleveland, and single-family home, single-parent home. And I knew what Cleveland was. And I just wanted more. I wanted to, I dreamed bigger. And my thing is, what I got to lose? I sang for, I sung for Gerald Levert.

• 20:07Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Gerald Levert.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  In the underwear section.

• 20:09Keke Palmer?

  Cass and on.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Yes, in the underwear section of a department store. I would sing, I sung at grocery stores.

• 20:14Keke Palmer?

  They need to bring that back, by the way. Like, nobody does that anymore. Yo, can I sing for you?

• 20:18Speaker 01

  They do, because first of all, most people can't sing at the drop of a hat anymore. Cause it's all the tune, and it did it to them. It did all the tune and just made everybody just not know what they're doing.

• 20:27Keke Palmer?

  But back in the day, that used to be a thing.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  You, you had to have.

• 20:30Keke Palmer?

  You were like, can I, can I sing for you?

• 20:30Speaker 01

  You had to have your little eight bars ready to go.

• 20:32Keke Palmer?

  Sharon had me ready.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Didn't she have you ready? Now, I bet Sharon was ready when she got her record deal, huh? You know I know your mama had a record deal. You know I know where you come from.

• 20:39Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  You had to have it.

• 20:41Keke Palmer?

  So, East Cleveland, what do you think that East Cleveland taught you? That Hollywood never could, or that helped you in Hollywood?

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Man, East Cleveland taught me to be tough. East Cleveland taught me to, to take up for myself. East Cleveland taught me how to be kind. I know it's, it's a tough, it was a tough way to grow up.

• 20:57Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  But everybody from East Cleveland that I know, they're kind people. Just don't, don't try me.

• 21:03Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  And that's what I tell people now. I think people think, cause I'm on Disney, that I'm no longer from East Cleveland.

• 21:07Keke Palmer?

  Come on. When does your East Cleveland come out the most? Is it when you and your family?

• 21:12Speaker 01

  You know, when I'm home, for sure. Um, but the, the hard part of East Cleveland comes out online, usually. Cause I have to, I have to let people know. I don't, I don't know why people try me. I don't know why they do. It, it never ends well for them.

• 21:23Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  It never does.

• 21:24Keke Palmer?

  I also think people sometimes try people that are nice. I don't really know why.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they don't realize nice is a choice. You gotta understand, I'm kind by nature.

• 21:34Keke Palmer?

  Don't take my kindness for weakness.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  I came here kind, my mother raised me to be kind. But nice is a choice. Like, if I'm nice to you, I have chosen to be nice to you. Cause you, we know too many people that don't choose to be nice. We know too many people going through life just treating people horribly. So know that if someone is kind to you and nice to you, they are choosing to do that.

• 21:51Keke Palmer?

  Yep.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  So don't, don't run afoul.

• 21:53Keke Palmer?

  And also, everybody's not kind. Everybody's not nice.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  No, they're not.

• 21:56Keke Palmer?

  So like, I don't know why, like, when I meet a kind and nice person, I'm just so glad they there.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 22:00Keke Palmer?

  I'm not thinking about pissing them off.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  And my thing is just really be, be kind. I mean, you think it'd drive me crazy, people that pretend they're kind and they're not. And they, you can always tell.

• 22:07Keke Palmer?

  You can.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  Looking a little closer, you go, mm-hmm.

• 22:09Keke Palmer?

  You really can.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  You tell them what they, you see what they're doing. They trying it.

• 22:13Keke Palmer?

  Now, I thought it was cool. You worked in college radio when you went to university background?

• 22:17Speaker 01

  I did. Come on, come on. Come on, research. Come on.

• 22:21Keke Palmer?

  Because I can actually, like, I live for the radio of it all. Like, what was your personality like on there? Were you fun?

• 22:28Speaker 01

  I did, um, I did the Soulful Journey. So it was, I went to a white school, so it was, um, it was, most of the station was usually rock during the day.

• 22:34Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Soulful Journey.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  So I did the Soulful Journey. So I would come in at, like, I think I was like eight to 10, and I would play, you know, R and B songs and, you know, and then I became program director. So then I got to choose what was played. And my, my stamp that I left, I don't know.

• 22:46Keke Palmer?

  Come on, program director.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something. So I don't know if they still do it, but I decided that because we weren't a metered station, which meant what we played did not affect sales or billboard or anything, I thought, we don't have to play, we don't have to play the single. So let's have a new album come out. And let's listen and find the B-side that we think is as good as the single. And we'll be the only station playing this new Usher album, or this new Usher song that nobody else is playing.

• 23:09Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  And this is before streaming, so the only way you could hear the other, the other songs is if you bought the album. Most people wasn't buying the album back then. So, we could play something, nobody, see what I mean?

• 23:19Keke Palmer?

  I love that. And I feel like that needs to be brought back, just the vibe of curation.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:24Keke Palmer?

  I mean, I know they do sometimes stuff, like with the playlist on Spotify or whatever, but just like, again, Avijay, a person that's actually taking you through it.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Like, you should, you should hear this song. I know this is great, but have you heard this? Right? And I've always been a B-side girl. Like, you put an album out, and you talk, something like Thriller. I love Billie Jean and all that, but Baby Be Mine. Baby Be Mine.

• 23:44Keke Palmer?

  She said, Baby Be Mine.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  If you don't know about Baby Be Mine, you don't, you ain't even dug into the Thriller.

• 23:48Keke Palmer?

  That's me with Full Moon. I mean, everybody likes Full Moon, but When You Touch Me. You know what I mean?

• 23:53Speaker 01

  They don't know nothing about When You Touch Me. Come on.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  They don't know. They don't be knowing. You got to go deep. You gotta go deep to the B-side.

• 24:05Keke Palmer?

  That album, I, I.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Full Moon is a vibe.

• 24:08Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Full Moon is a.

• 24:10Keke Palmer?

  From top to bottom.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Brandy's a vibe, dawg.

• 24:12Keke Palmer?

  She's got to be stopped.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Brandy's a vibe.

• 24:15Keke Palmer?

  She's so good. And you know what it is about her? It's similar to like with Lauryn Hill, where it's like, sometimes people are so good, it flies over your head.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you feel like everybody.

• 24:24Keke Palmer?

  Because they make it so effortlessly. Like, like Brandy is so effortlessly good that you don't really realize all the intrigue, like the, everything that's going into it.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  I don't even know if she realized the skill she got. Yeah, I mean, because I remember one time, I remember with Whitney. Whitney was interviewed, and she said once that she, she wasn't aware. It's, it's always just been her voice. So she wasn't really, she didn't get it. Like, everybody being like, oh, she didn't get it. I don't know if Brandy even gets it.

• 24:48Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  I don't know if she even know.

• 24:50Keke Palmer?

  Cause for her, it's just, this is my ear. This is what it sounds like.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  It's kinda like you keep.

• 24:54Keke Palmer?

  Just stop.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  It's how you go through the world, and you do the things that you do. And you don't even know what you're doing, you're just being you. And everybody else is like, how does she do all the things? Just who you are. The one to one. What'd I say? What'd I say in the car? Did I say one to one?

• 25:05Keke Palmer?

  OMG, I just love you.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  I ain't lied yet.

• 25:08Keke Palmer?

  Growing up, for you, were you the funny one, the peacemaker? Were you the church girl, the truth teller? Like, what was your?

• 25:16Speaker 01

  These are all good questions.

• 25:23Keke Palmer?

  I am, by every definition, a lot. My outfits are a moment. My reactions are gank. I've been called dramatic in three different group chats this week alone, and every single time, I said, correct. That's just who I am. And honestly, I've made peace with it. But somewhere along the way, I learned there's a difference between extra where it counts and extra where it's just showing off. And my old cleaning products were absolutely showing off, and doing more to cover up than to actually clean. Girl, sit down. So, I switched to Seventh Generation. Bio-based cleaning power that handles the job without the theatrics. Plus, no dyes, artificial fragrances, or bottles full of ingredients auditioning for a part they didn't get.

• 26:08Keke Palmer?

  It just works. And it doesn't need to announce itself while it's doing it. Seventh Generation provides a powerful clean without anything extra. So, if you already bring the extra to the function, make the switch today to Seventh Generation. A powerful clean without anything extra. My son Leo sees everything. I mean that literally. The kid misses nothing. Every detail, every person, every moment that most adults would walk right past, he is fully present for all of it. Traveling with him has genuinely changed the way I move through the world, because he reminds me to actually be in it. And what I've learned from traveling with Leo is that the best trips aren't about where you go.

• 26:52Keke Palmer?

  They're about what you're dropped into when you get there. A neighborhood that has character. You know, a, a home that has a backyard and a kitchen and a living room big enough to actually live in. A super host who points you toward the coffee shop and the park, and the spot that doesn't have a sign, but absolutely should. When I book a stay on Airbnb, for us, it's not just finding a place. I'm building the world he gets to explore for those few days. And watching him explore it, that's the best part. This is Leo's summer. Find a home on Airbnb and build that world for your kids.

• 27:31Keke Palmer?

  There was a summer where I was 11 years old, on a movie set, learning 100 lines, and somehow, still having the time of my life. Because that's the thing about being a kid. You don't need the conditions to be perfect. You just need to be present, free, and completely unbothered by what comes next. I've been chasing that feeling ever since. The blended pink energy drink is how I find it now. Strawberry, acai, real strawberry pieces, coconut milk, completely blended and frozen, and so good, it's irresistible. The second is in my hand, whatever is on my schedule can wait. Leo and I are going outside, honey. We have lines to forget and nothing to do. Little Kiki will be satisfied. Trust me on that.

• 28:15Keke Palmer?

  Unlock your best summer memories with the blended pink energy drink from Starbucks. Available now. Order now on the app or find it in Starbucks.com.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  I was a class clown respectfully. Because I ain't going to the principal's office.

• 28:34Keke Palmer?

  No.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  You gonna get these jokes, but you gonna get it when she ain't looking, or she can't tell it's me. But you gonna get these jokes. So I was respectful. And I also was nerd. I was like front row center catching the knowledge as soon as it came. I was a voracious reader. Kinda nerdy, but popularly nerdy because everybody could sit at my table. Like, I've always really loved people. So I remember when I moved from the hood to the suburbs when I was in 5th grade. And it was like a culture shock because I'm like in Merangler jeans and my pigtails. And these girls are in like Jordache jeans, hair is permed. And I was like, what is this world? And then they took one look at me and said, absolutely not. And we're like, this, she ain't it. And I remember going like, even at 10 years old, I was like, this seems dumb. Like, why do they, who I just met, I don't know them, I don't know their character or anything about them,

• 29:19Speaker 01

  why do they get to decide my worth? Why do they get to decide who's cool? And so I instead decided that the underdogs were gonna be cool. And everybody can hang together. And so I just kind of have always looked at it like, we have to find a way to make it make sense for us and to make it make sense for other people. And you don't let other people tell you how far you can go in life. I've never let anybody tell me how far I can go.

• 29:44Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  I decide. Me and Jesus.

• 29:47Keke Palmer?

  Yes. I love that, what you just said about that. Because I think it's so easy, and I don't know why that it's like that, but I think it is very easy for people. And whether it's race or money, like you say, you know, this person has money or this person's a different background, you so easily can give your power away.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Ooh, you better hold on to your power.

• 30:04Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? But when you decide that like, actually, what I matters means most?

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:08Keke Palmer?

  That's literally all it takes.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  But also when you think about it, look how silly it is. These are my fellow 10-year-olds deciding that I'm not cool enough to be at the, get the pizza at the table.

• 30:18Keke Palmer?

  Just because my hair's in the natural form?

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Because my hair in the natural form and I got on Meranglers? What is, that's, it's just dumb. It's dumb to me. And it's the same, I feel the same way in Hollywood, really. Like, when I came to Hollywood. I was like, I don't, nobody gonna tell me where I'm going, what I could do.

• 30:33Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. I always felt that way as well because I felt my personality, because I was, you know, bubbly or whatever you call it, and I was talented. People would let the things that weren't really considered cool fly by. But I would still feel it at the end. It's like, you only like me because I could sing and I can dance.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 30:51Keke Palmer?

  Or you only like me because you think I'm funny.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:55Keke Palmer?

  But like, if I didn't have those two things and you just had my interests, you would think I was lame.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:01Keke Palmer?

  And so I always hated, I never really wanted to lean into, even when I've had different moments of cool crowds, being like, yeah, Kiki, I've always been like, yeah, but you, you don't really like me.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  You don't really.

• 31:12Keke Palmer?

  You know, you don't really like what I'm about. And so it's like, I'm so uncool. You know what I mean?

• 31:16Speaker 01

  I had a moment, going back to people knowing you. I had a moment recently where I was just like, somebody attributed something to me that I didn't do, right? They attributed something to me. And then they said something to the effect of, you know, this is what you do all the time. So not only had I not done it that first time, I don't do it.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  And I decided in that moment that I was gonna leave them to it. You know what I mean? I wasn't going to go out of my way to defend myself about it. I just was like, you don't know me. Like, you're showing me that you don't know me. So I don't know what we've been doing all this time, trying to, as friends, because you have no idea who I am. And that's okay. But this is now telling me that this is where it ends.

• 32:01Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  But I'm always gonna be kind and friendly, whatever. But as far as trying to extend this and let this live beyond this moment, I'm good. Because I think, this is the one thing about me, and I think you know this to be true, who I am is right here. I'm not fake. I ain't never been fake. This is who I am. And if I say I love you, I love you. If I say I'm for you, I'm for you.

• 32:19Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  And so you never, none of my friends, or even strangers that meet me, have to ever question, does Yvette like me? Is Yvette for me? It's obvious that I do. It's obvious that I'm for you. So if you can see all that I bring in the world and still think I'm not for you, and I've actively been doing things to make your life.

• 32:37Keke Palmer?

  But that can be tough and that can be scary, especially in close relationships, to not let it penetrate you.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:44Keke Palmer?

  Like, it's so interesting, right? Because we know we have relationships and like, you know, yeah, we learn things from our friends. They let us know stuff. We tell each other stuff. Like, sometimes they're hard conversations and we trust them to really be, you know.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:55Keke Palmer?

  But then sometimes somebody might say something, somebody that you're really close to, that you consider, like, I trust you.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:00Keke Palmer?

  They might do something or say something and you can kind of gaslight yourself and be like, well, no, no, no, they wouldn't. To get to the point of, you know, you know how that is?

• 33:09Speaker 01

  I do. But let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, young woman. First, your mother always knows.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Has she ever been wrong?

• 33:17Keke Palmer?

  No. She actually hasn't.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Fran was never wrong. When I tell you, may she rest in peace, when my mother would meet a friend of mine or a guy I was dating, she would tell me immediately, that one ain't for you. That one ain't got you good interests. And it could be my best friend. Watch. She'd be like, watch, watch and see, that one right there? She ain't never been wrong. The ones she said would be my ride or dies, have remained my ride or dies. The ones she said, the ones she said weren't worth it or weren't for me, were not for me. So what I believe is that there's always a tell. And this is the thing.

• 33:50Keke Palmer?

  Damn.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  If it's a close friendship and, check with Sharon now. But if it's a close friendship, right? And they've done something wrong. We're all human, right? Mistakes happen. If they did not intend to harm you and they just happened to harm you and they're sorry, that's different. But I done ran into some dolls.

• 34:07Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. Me too.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Who are actively trying to take you down.

• 34:12Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  And I can't, I can't, I do friendship at such a level, I can't have somebody in the boat plugging, I mean, not making holes.

• 34:19Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  We either whirling together or bailing water together, but you can't be putting holes in the boat.

• 34:24Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Not the way.

• 34:25Keke Palmer?

  And I've met, I think I've met, like, what's been weird, or I don't wanna say weird, but been difficult sometimes for me in these, in friendships or relationships where things have gone awry, is that you don't even know you a whole polka. You know what I'm saying?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  I do know.

• 34:40Keke Palmer?

  Like, a lot of people are like.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  You don't know you. Not only you don't know me, but you also don't know you.

• 34:46Keke Palmer?

  That's really messed up. Because I think I almost would prefer if this is a Dexter's Lab ass [BLEEP]. You know what I mean? Like, she [BLEEP]. But a lot of people are like [BLEEP] to their own life. And it's like, you, you don't even know you, ma'am. So it gets to a point where it's like, that's why I'm scared. I'm scared because I don't know if we're in a horror or comedy or romance [BLEEP]. It's killing me. Isn't that nuts?

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, because this is the thing too. Like, they don't need, to their own detriment too. Like, you don't know you to your own detriment. Like, your life is raggedy because you don't know you. And you blaming other people for your, huh?

• 35:22Keke Palmer?

  Come on.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  You don't know you.

• 35:23Keke Palmer?

  Come on, man.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  You don't know you.

• 35:25Keke Palmer?

  It's so true.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  It's rough. That's rough. I hate that form. I hate that.

• 35:30Keke Palmer?

  Me too, me too. When did you realize that your voice was your superpower?

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Ooh, sending up and speaking up?

• 35:36Keke Palmer?

  Yes, speaking up. And or even just that people followed you.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  You know, I love John Lewis, Representative John Lewis, may he rest in peace. And he used to always say, it's important to get into good trouble, necessary trouble.

• 35:48Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  And I don't know that I knew my voice mattered, or even if that I still, that I even know now. But I do know that it's important to speak up about things that matter. And it's important if there's injustice happening or someone's in trouble or someone's harmed and you have a platform to make it better for them or to sound the alarm. I believe that's what you're supposed to do. I do not believe that any of us that are blessed to have lights on us and mics in front of us, that that's happening just so we can be like,

• 36:14Speaker 01

  that's not what it's about.

• 36:14Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  If all you are concerned about is your clothes and how cute you are, you're missing it.

• 36:20Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  You have to be on this earth to do something that makes it better for other people.

• 36:25Keke Palmer?

  Come on.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Period. And so for me, my thought is, one, I have a college degree. Two, McDonald's is always hiring. Three, I need to be able to sleep at night. So I'm going to always say what needs to be said. And I don't care what I lose. And where's the camera? Which one? I don't care what I lose. Take it.

• 36:46Keke Palmer?

  This one.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Take it all. If it's for the right reason, take it all. That's why when people saying, say something to me. No, when someone says to me, well, I'm gonna screenshot this, do it. Screenshot it.

• 36:58Keke Palmer?

  I also like what you said about the McDonald's because I think a lot of times people feel um they put this pressure on them of being on themselves of being too good.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  I don't work anywhere.

• 37:07Keke Palmer?

  You know, where people use moral, moral, this whole thing online now where it's like, well, that's not. Well, actually, and it's like, we all trying to live.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  We try, do you understand?

• 37:16Keke Palmer?

  Do what's best for you.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Do you understand how quickly I would get a job anywhere?

• 37:20Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean?

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Do you understand?

• 37:22Keke Palmer?

  Well, you have to, I don't know what people don't understand, we're all under the same big ass thumb.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 37:27Keke Palmer?

  You know, no, not any one of us, not maybe somebody that's in the trillions, in the billions, but that's not neither you or I.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Sure ain't.

• 37:33Keke Palmer?

  So it's like, I don't understand how people don't get that.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  But I don't even aspire to be that, you know why?

• 37:37Keke Palmer?

  It's not needed.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Because I don't think you can get there without stepping on some necks. And I'm not, I will never, and I defy anybody in this industry to ever say I did anything underhanded. I have never stabbed anybody in the back, I ain't never stole nobody's show, I've never tried to steal somebody's show. I have sat in for people and said, I'm holding this just until they come back. Don't ask me about doing it long term because I'm not gonna do it long term, I'm in this seat till they come back.

• 38:00Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  That's how I live my life, and I've never been without. So this idea that you gotta stab people in the back, or talk about people behind their back, or do all this dirty stuff to get ahead is a lie.

• 38:10Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  It's a lie.

• 38:11Keke Palmer?

  And then it's now conflated, because of all of that, it's now been also, any time somebody is a little bit successful, you assume those things about them too. So it's like, damn, everybody that is doing good in their life, now they're all terrible too? Like, I don't even know how to.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Maybe God blesses people sometime. Maybe God says, well done, my good and faithful servant, go on, here's a job for you.

• 38:30Keke Palmer?

  Exactly.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Maybe that's what it is. Treat people good, and still, good things happen.

• 38:34Keke Palmer?

  You and I were both, obviously you were on, you did a Nickelodeon with me, True Jackson VP, but you also were on Drake and Josh.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:40Keke Palmer?

  I mean, Drake and Josh, taking it back to those days. What was it like working with them in those early days of comedy? Because they really were, I mean, they were huge influence to comedy of that time in that era.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  I'll throw Keenan and Kel up in there too, and they're all stars.

• 38:55Keke Palmer?

  Keenan and Kel, they was the ones who started the whole.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Forget it, they did all of it. Um, I have always been so impressed with child actors.

• 39:02Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Yourself included. Um, because this business is tough.

• 39:06Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  And to do what you guys do while still going to school, still going through puberty, having to be, um.

• 39:13Keke Palmer?

  Find that sense of self.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Yes, and be an adult while, while growing up in front of a camera, I don't know how you do it. And they were, those babies were already rocking and rolling by the time I joined the show. Like, I didn't start, um, acting until like 2003. Well, I did commercials in the late 90s, but I didn't start on television until 2003, uh, girlfriends was my thing.

• 39:31Keke Palmer?

  Girlfriends.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Girlfriends, baby. And, um, so they were already doing it, and so I was actually on set like watching, like, oh, okay, so that's, okay, that's how we do this. And I learned a lot from those babies, and, um, have continued to pay forward what I learned, and I always try to pour back into all the young people I meet, and even if it's an older person just starting acting for the first time, I try to pour in. Because you, uh, one of my favorite, um, quotes is, a candle loses nothing by lighting another. So this idea that we gotta go through life like this, we're supposed to go through life like this so that whatever God gives us can also overflow into someone else. And so this is a thing that, that we've learned through, I think, Mackenzie Scott, she's the billionaire.

• 40:08Keke Palmer?

  Mackenzie Scott, she's the one who.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, giving away all the money, she's giving, okay. She has given away, I think, like 200, 300 million, and still has a billion.

• 40:17Keke Palmer?

  What?

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Like, it's like, and my numbers are bad, but my point is, however much she's given away, the entrance, interest she's gaining on what's still in the bank, she'll never be able.

• 40:28Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  So she proves that you can be more generous. We ain't judging nobody, we just think you should do better.

• 40:38Keke Palmer?

  In my mind, you know? That's how I think.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  That's how I feel.

• 40:42Keke Palmer?

  Um, okay, so what, what did you think, coming out of the, uh, when the whole thing was out with, with Nickelodeon? Were you shocked and gag, I mean, you know, I was on Nickelodeon too, so I mean, what were your thoughts?

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Were you shocked? I was, I was shocked. I mean, listen, in, in, in the scheme of things with the way we're finding out about these Epstein files and everything else, no, I'm not shocked, like.

• 41:01Keke Palmer?

  That's what I was gonna say, in terms of like, one of that station and, and child.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:05Keke Palmer?

  People, people taking advantage of children, in that regard, I wasn't, I wasn't shocked, you know what I mean? But I was, um, you know, damn, like, like, I think we were all wondering probably too, like specifically with that, like, no one saw anything?

• 41:19Speaker 01

  I can say this, I didn't see anything, and this is what's, now, there's no, there were no, um, what happened to Drake happened before Drake and Josh, it happened like the, between the pilot and, so I found out what happened to him watching that documentary, and I was, I reached out to him immediately, like, oh my God, baby, if I'd have known, I'm so sorry. Um, but I can say being on set, I never saw anything, I've never been on any of, any set and seen anything like that.

• 41:45Keke Palmer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Because like I said, I speak up, what, it ain't gonna happen to me, see it and I say something. I, I would have absolutely said something, so the idea that it's been going on for so long, and I mean, you listen to people like, like Corey, uh, it's Corey Feldman, he talks about it. So I'm saying, it's a, it's a dark, dark thing. Yeah, it's dark, uh, yeah, it broke my heart hearing that.

• 42:08Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, it broke my heart, I really do hope, you know, that he's getting whatever he need.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I hope he is.

• 42:13Keke Palmer?

  To get through this, a lifelong thing, but I really do, and I hope everybody, uh, that did, that had some involvement with that, you know, is punished.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  I hope, I hope so.

• 42:21Keke Palmer?

  Um, now, you said people still stop you about your character Helen Dubois.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, Dubois.

• 42:26Keke Palmer?

  Dubois, Helen Dubois.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Helen Ophelia Dubois.

• 42:29Keke Palmer?

  Yes, now, if Helen managed a movie theater in 2026, what annoying audience behavior would somebody ban first?

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Ooh, that, what would she be mad, what would she be mad about? Uh, you know, I was about to say talking during the film, but I think Helen would enjoy that. Because I think Helen would, I think that's what Helen would do, she'd be in there talking back to the theater. Um, I think she'd be mad about bringing in snacks, because she, she got, she got, she got her, no, but just because the money she'd be losing. Don't be bringing in no Kit Kat up in here, you buy it from the concession stand. I think she'd be very upset about sneaking in snacks, that's, I'm going, that's my one, that's my one.

• 43:01Keke Palmer?

  Yes, why do you think that character resonates so much with people?

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Do you know, I don't know, I, I just posted something yesterday, uh, we did a spring break episode, and MTV came to the house, and Helen sings, uh, I'm so excited, and it's so funny because I don't think of my characters as me, like Helen's her own.

• 43:17Keke Palmer?

  Yes, me too, I totally figure that.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's her own thing, and I watched, and I was like, she's really funny, like, I, I get it, like, if I was a kid, I don't know what it, what it did for the adults, but if I was 12 years old or 10 years old watching that fool, I'd have enjoyed her too. I'd have really enjoyed that, so I think that's what it is, she's a vibe.

• 43:34Keke Palmer?

  I love that, and then came Shirley, Bennett from Community. I mean, sweet voice, sharp judgment, and a little, you know, shade.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  She had a little bit in her, you know.

• 43:43Keke Palmer?

  How did you find Shirley's voice, you know?

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Um, you know what's funny, uh, after I did, had been doing Shirley for maybe three or four years, I got asked to go back and reprise Helen on Victorious.

• 43:56Keke Palmer?

  Come on, Victorious, shout out to Leon Thomas.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Shout out to Leon Thomas, and I was nervous because I was like, I've been doing Shirley so long, and I, I was pretty sure they were different. I tried to make them different, but I was like, oh God, so I went back and started watching old Helen episodes, and I was like, oh my God, like, she's, they are two unique people, so then I realized that if I lock into this woman, whoever the woman is that I'm playing, I can make her special, so I loved, I loved that Shirley ended up with a duality about her, like, she's super sweet, but also very violent.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Very violent, and I mean, I think that she got some bodies, I think there's some bodies somewhere.

• 44:30Keke Palmer?

  I love that kind of vibe, though, I love when a sweet character is also like low key like nuts.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think she'll kill you.

• 44:34Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, that's kind of like me.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Yes, it kind of, yeah, it's me too, that's, I be trying to tell people, don't. Watch yourself.

• 44:40Keke Palmer?

  Be careful.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  Watch yourself. But yeah, so I, I just wanted to lean into her duality, and, you know, and also she's, she's a very, uh, self-righteous Christian.

• 44:50Keke Palmer?

  Ah.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  And I, that's fun to play.

• 44:52Keke Palmer?

  You know, because you know that.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  You know, I know her, you know, I know her, and I'm not, I'm not her, like, I'm, I'm a very liberal Christian, like, I, I, but Shirley's like, again, she was, didn't like gay people, she didn't like the Muslims, like Shirley's all in that.

• 45:06Keke Palmer?

  But swear she's nice.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  She's the sweetest thing, and crazy, just like, you know, she, she would be a, a, a Christian nationalist if there's a black version of that.

• 45:15Keke Palmer?

  Yes, and I'm sure there are.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Oh, we know there are, you're right, there are, there are some. So, um, yeah, so I just leaned into the foolishness of that.

• 45:23Keke Palmer?

  When you're creating like comedic characters, is it just kind of like, like for me, sometimes it's like, if I can envision their clothes and their makeup, or other times it's just like a cadence that they always do, like, what are some of the defining, or ways that you define the voice of a new character?

• 45:39Speaker 01

  It's definitely cadence for me, I think, even before clothes, because especially when I was doing Shirley and Helen, I was a lot bigger, so I knew my clothes were coming from Ross, or Marshall's. So I knew, I knew it was gonna be like a colorful cardigan. Some type of print. So I already knew fashion wasn't gonna be my way.

• 45:58Keke Palmer?

  I'm howling.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  I wouldn't get no answer about who she was.

• 46:01Keke Palmer?

  From the clothes, the long wear generic.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Oh, they dressed them both so bad. So, um, and no shade to the, to the wardrobe. That's just who the women were. That's who they, you know, and they didn't really, I don't think they cared about big women like that. They didn't, they didn't, we didn't have a, a, um, a law roach.

• 46:17Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Trying to put together something magical.

• 46:19Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  So, um, anyway, so it wasn't that, but it was, I would listen, I would read the lines and I would go, what does she sound like? Cause for me, comedy is music. It's all in it.

• 46:29Keke Palmer?

  I always think about that.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  It always is, it's music.

• 46:30Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  And when it's well-written, you can hear the ba-da-ba-ba, the da-da-da. Like you can hear the flow. And so it's easy to find what cadence you're gonna play in the midst of that music. How am I going to sing this piece? Right? So it's that.

• 46:43Keke Palmer?

  I love that so much. It make, that literally, literally is so dreamy to me when I think about that. And when people, when I can relate to someone on that, because I hear lines like, music. And it's like, you should feel like, and even when I know, oh, this is the part of the movie, or this is the part of the scene where things go wrong, or this is how, this is where we gotta get you. It's like we're composing it through the words.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely. It's a composition, it's music. Yeah, absolutely.

• 47:07Keke Palmer?

  Now, is the true, is it true? I mean, word on the street is that there might be a community movie? Like, is this real? Like, should we just keep hoping and dreaming and wishing?

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Oh, how we laugh. Cause we, I swear, Kiki, I'm telling you, if I leave my house, any day I leave my house, I'm gonna hear, I'm gonna be asked at least three times.

• 47:25Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Anytime I leave my house. If, I mean, it might be just the mailman, "Hey, Ed, good to see you." However, um, but yeah, so we are all on board. Like, we literally, we have a lively group chat.

• 47:36Keke Palmer?

  Now, Community, Aziz is in there.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  No, that's, that's, um, that's, uh, Parks and Rec.

• 47:39Keke Palmer?

  But wait.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  This is Donald Glover, Joe McHale. Yeah, Joe McHale.

• 47:42Keke Palmer?

  Donald and Joe.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Jim Rash and Ken, Ken Jong.

• 47:45Keke Palmer?

  He is so funny.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  He's a fool. He's an absolute fool.

• 47:49Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Everyone on that show is certifiable. And our group chat is so much fun.

• 47:54Keke Palmer?

  I love the group chats. We got one on the verbs. And we don't even talk about nothing.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Nothing, no, but it's all, like, we got a lot of bits. Like, we had a lot of bits. We had a lot of free time on the set of Community, so we were always trying to make each other laugh. And so a lot of our bits have lived on. Fifteen years later, we're still doing bits. And so we all, we just talked about this recently, we wanna do it. We, guys, we wanna do it. It's just timing, like, the, the strike did us in, cause we had our date. Everybody had set aside this month in, you know, and then the strike happened, and everybody had to figure out, well, what am I gonna do with it?

• 48:26Keke Palmer?

  It's tough.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  And then it was, the moment was gone. So we gotta find another window where everybody is free.

• 48:31Keke Palmer?

  Well, let me know, because I'll come in there with a little bit, bro.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  You'll come in.

• 48:34Keke Palmer?

  I'm ready for a bit.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  You know this binding, Kiki, don't play.

• 48:36Keke Palmer?

  Come on.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  We'd love to have you.

• 48:37Keke Palmer?

  Let's do it.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Damn, write something for Kiki.

• 48:41Keke Palmer?

  Now, what was up with you doing your own stunts on Criminal Minds Evolution, man?

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:46Keke Palmer?

  You wasn't, you wasn't scared.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  First of all, America, let's define stunts. Let's start there, because for me, stunts.

• 48:53Keke Palmer?

  She said, I picked up a damn club.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  At this age, stunts could be rising from a chair.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  In that case, stunts was running. Your girl don't run. So when they were like, yeah, so we're gonna have you get up and you're gonna, he's gonna say something, you're gonna run, I was like, how many times?

• 49:06Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  How many, how many times? And then there was actually this thing at the end, and I, I, I was gonna look up her name, cause I wanna give her credit, and I'll put it online.

• 49:14Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  My amazing stunt woman had to run in front of a moving car and stop the car.

• 49:18Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  And I was like, the way I run, I'd be in the fell under the car.

• 49:22Keke Palmer?

  Stop in the car, no.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Stop, stop, stop, because I'm, I'm running away from a killer. And so she did that, she did that run, and, and then I did, I kinda came in and they said, she done? Okay, yeah. So those are my stunts.

• 49:32Keke Palmer?

  I love that. I love, I, I try to do a little something, but I do, I'm a big believer, like, you just shouted out that, that young woman. Stunt people, they're amazing. You know, like, they do their thing, they're on point. I know some stunt doubles, my girl Nai Nai, who I just did Spaceballs with, like, some people, some of them go so far as to get the same size as you.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:50Keke Palmer?

  Be the exact, get their, everything, they do.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Porshaana, who does, um, hair on Criminal Minds, had to create these locks. It was a year ago, I do these locks every summer. So she had to redo these locks. Shout out to Hair by Ash Nicole, this.

• 50:03Keke Palmer?

  Oh, period, it looks good.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Thank you, baby. So, but, but Porshaana on set had to recreate this look for my stunt person.

• 50:09Keke Palmer?

  Wow.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  So that, and it looked just like my hair. It was amazing.

• 50:12Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I love that. Same thing with Eddie. Eddie has a guy he's been with for years, named Skoki. That dude look like him to the T, like, body walk the same.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  You just drop Eddie Murphy, what you did? You gonna, you gonna, I'm just saying, we gonna do it. You ain't gonna just throw Eddie out.

• 50:25Keke Palmer?

  Can we talk about the real thing?

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Eddie just called. Eddie, Eddie, Eddie D. Murphy. That's what Eddie, tell me more about Eddie. What Eddie?

• 50:33Keke Palmer?

  Eddie, anyway, anyway, since you called me out. So wait a minute, we gotta talk about what happened between us that everybody reposts. Every other day of the week.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Every time I see it, I like it.

• 50:50Keke Palmer?

  I've said it, I've heard it. We all know the saying, you need to go see that lady. And sometimes, you know, we give an excuse. I'll deal with it later. It's probably too expensive. What if it doesn't help me? Meanwhile, we're still struggling and somebody's worried. But with some research, I found out about Rula. It's a real healthcare company. Sessions average about fifteen dollars with insurance, and they tell you that cost before you book. Providers are vetted, outcomes are tracked, and the majority of patients report genuinely feeling better. You can find someone who specializes in exactly what they're going through. Don't talk yourself out of therapy because you think it'll cost too much, won't work, or you have no idea where to even start.

• 51:33Keke Palmer?

  And trust me, that advice goes both ways. If you're ready to stop talking yourself out of finding care and making progress, then head to rula.com. That's R-U-L-A dot com. And take the first step. Dear diary, I'm writing this down just to make sure I remember this feeling. It was one of those days that kept stacking things on top of each other until I almost forgot to stop. But once I got a blended pink energy drink in hand, something in my chest finally let go. Between the acai and the coconut milk with real strawberry pieces mixed into the frozen blend, and let me tell you, it tastes like the best possible version of today. Some days, you just gotta admit, you can't fix everything.

• 52:17Keke Palmer?

  Some days, you just find your moment, and today, that was mine. Unlock your best summer memories with the blended pink energy drink from Starbucks. Order now on the app.

• 52:30Keke Palmer?

  So, let's take it back. Twenty twenty-two, I was doing hosting password.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Brilliantly hosting password.

• 52:37Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, thank you.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  So good.

• 52:38Keke Palmer?

  And we had you on, you playing a game, I got a chance to play. And I got a chance to play with you.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 52:44Keke Palmer?

  They give me the word Titanic.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  They do.

• 52:47Keke Palmer?

  And I prompt you with Rose. I'm gonna put it like this.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  You're real talkative, you're real.

• 52:54Keke Palmer?

  She's talking. I'm gonna put it like this.

• 52:57Keke Palmer?

  Rose.

• 53:05Keke Palmer?

  Rose.

• 53:08Keke Palmer?

  Oh, oh, see, I don't wanna get it wrong, but I think it's.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Rose.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh, ladies.

• 53:18Keke Palmer?

  Think I'm gonna get it wrong? No, you can't. Okay, one more time. Rose.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  This is getting as hard, this is getting as hard as you think.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  It's Rose.

• 53:28Keke Palmer?

  It's hard.

• 53:34Keke Palmer?

  Listen, there's a lot of black conversation happening. In the eyes. But I'm about to let my sister down, cause I have no idea.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  No, you're not, because.

• 53:44Keke Palmer?

  I'm, I'm, I hate myself.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  No, you got it. Just say it, just say it.

• 53:48Keke Palmer?

  Titanic.

• 53:54Keke Palmer?

  I mean, we became telepathic in that moment. You know, it's like.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  We telepathic anyway, but this is the thing. This is what I, I'm glad we're having this conversation, cause I want people to know, I knew it was Titanic the first time you said it.

• 54:04Keke Palmer?

  No.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  I knew it was Titanic. Now, this is what's crazy, and this is something you did, and I think I told you this before. I said to you, I said, oh, I don't, I don't wanna, I don't wanna disappoint you and let my sister down. And you said to me, you can't.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Not, you can't. You can't. And when I tell you, when you, you in that moment, baby girl, you poured back into me, black woman to black woman, like, it is impossible for you to let me down.

• 54:31Keke Palmer?

  It's impossible.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  You can't let me down, because one, you just can't, but also, I know you know this. I know you know this. And so then I was like, in my mind, I'm like, I know it's Titanic, I know it's Titanic. It's Titanic. But, and then, so when I said it with resignation, like, I hate myself, Titanic. And it went off, I was like, that was me, like, I knew it, cause I knew it. But we had, we locked, we locked.

• 54:55Keke Palmer?

  Baby girl, like, what is that? What do you think that that is? Like, what is that, like, I just imagine, like, like, where do we get that thing in our culture, where it's like, I'm looking at you and it's like?

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Cause we know each other. We know.

• 55:08Keke Palmer?

  Like, what is that?

• 55:09Speaker 01

  This is the thing, this is the thing that I wish, and I hope this is not offensive.

• 55:13Keke Palmer?

  No.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  I'm okay if it is.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  At this point in life, and I say this, and I've said this to white people, and my white friends have, have been like, that makes sense.

• 55:22Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Black people know white people better than white people know white people. Okay? We have, especially people in my generation, have endured microaggressions and a lot of mess at school, at the doctor's office, at work, from white people. I love y'all, which, some of y'all, for our entire life. And we've had to code-switch and mask to survive, right? Because of that, we have a shared understanding of what this world is for us, what this country is for us. So when we are somewhere, and we see some foolishness, and we know what the foolishness is, because we've experienced it our entire lives,

• 56:07Speaker 01

  we see it, our sister sees it, our brother sees it.

• 56:11Keke Palmer?

  It creates a, a language that exists in the margins. Because if I'm, if there's a system or there's an institution that I'm not a part of, that doesn't really acknowledge where I'm at.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Or my worth as a human being.

• 56:23Keke Palmer?

  Then it's missing a layer. It's actually missing a very important layer that gives context around not only those people, but yourself, to your point. Cause if you're not seeing everything, then you're not seeing everything.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  And you're also not seeing who you are, or seeing what your behavior does to other people. And this ain't all white people, don't, don't.

• 56:43Keke Palmer?

  But it, but it, it is an interesting way to look at and explain what that under-layer is that happens in our community.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  But this is what it is, though. We are in spaces often that are not safe, where we cannot say what we wanna say for fear of being seen as aggressive or whatever. So we have to do this to each other.

• 57:02Keke Palmer?

  Or, you know it's your girl.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  And now while I'm here with you like this, then I go, yes, Mary, what did you want me to do? I'll absolutely do that. I'd be so happy to do that for you.

• 57:19Keke Palmer?

  Please.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  It's just that, it's knowing where you're safe and where you're not. And if it's not safe to speak, then I'm gonna tell you here.

• 57:29Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it could be, it could be like, girl, you're so crazy. I'mma holler at you. You know by, there's so many languages. This is a fun, that's a game in itself. I'm thinking of now another game and another show we should host. Where it's like, what you, how you say what you need to say and you see if you can get them to know it. You know what I mean?

• 57:47Speaker 01

  And you'll win every time.

• 57:48Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, that would be so fun.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  You'll win every time.

• 57:51Keke Palmer?

  Honey, when I tell you I'm reading between the lines.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  We got telepathy. I have seen a sister in a grocery store. I don't know her, she don't know me, but I know her.

• 58:01Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  And we see some mess go down and go.

• 58:04Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  And it's understood. You good? Okay.

• 58:07Keke Palmer?

  Exactly. Oh, my gosh, that is so true. I seen that happen recently. I was at a restaurant with some folks. And this brother was on the corner and like the, he would be, the guy was being so disrespectful to him. He was security for the place. And the guy was being so disrespectful to him and this dude, he starts doing pushups on the ground, like after this guy tries to humiliate him. And I just said like, hey, brother, you good, brother?

• 58:27Speaker 01

  You good?

• 58:27Keke Palmer?

  I like how you handle yourself. And it's like, we, we know, we know. It's like, hey, brother. You know, you just know.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  I got you, I got you.

• 58:33Keke Palmer?

  Cause that wasn't cool and you gotta, you don't want the establishment to make you, you gotta remain calm.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  And also, I don't want you leaving with that.

• 58:40Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  I want you to, I want you to feel love.

• 58:42Keke Palmer?

  I see you. I see everything it took for you to not haul off and lose your job. Because this guy decided to disrespect you in the workplace.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  There it is.

• 58:51Keke Palmer?

  It's tough, man.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  It is, man. It's tough. Listen, and, and this is the thing, like anybody that's offended by what I said, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that, but I think that it's important for you to listen

• 59:02Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  to what I said. And, and perhaps consider that maybe there is a part of you and your experience that you, that we may know better.

• 59:11Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah. I think it's so interesting what you said too about like, and just in terms of this idea around opinions. I was talking about that the other day where it's like, you know, people gotta be able to say certain things, you know what I mean? Now, I, I think we can get into differences when it comes to like government officials or people in big, major power positions. You know, I think there's a level of responsibility that comes around those opinions that should be thought about more clearly. But when it's just like somebody online, you know, or you're just listening to somebody on some, you came to somebody's page.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  And you don't like what they said?

• 59:40Keke Palmer?

  I don't care. This is what they said, you know?

• 59:43Speaker 01

  I don't care if you like it.

• 59:44Keke Palmer?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 59:45Speaker 01

  I don't care if you like it. It is, I wanna back up one more time, cause um, one of my dear friends is my, one of my makeup artists, she's my main makeup artist, my friend Beth, she's a white lady. Beth and I had this conversation two days, three days ago. Um, she was talking about the state of the world and, and what's happening with the economy and how everybody's suffering and how no one seems to care about anybody anymore.

• 1:00:04Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  And she got emotional. And she said, I was watching the news and watching how people are suffering and how people are being treated. And I realized that this is what black people have dealt with in this country their entire lives. And she said, I've been doing it for 15 months and it's debilitating.

• 1:00:21Keke Palmer?

  So many people, I'm not, you know, love to Beth.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  And it's love to Beth.

• 1:00:24Keke Palmer?

  But it's like, I, I do find it interesting how they're only, like, sometimes human life is the last thing that wakes people up.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:00:33Keke Palmer?

  Like, you know, you, you know, hearing about somebody being killed in the streets, you know what I mean? A young boy not coming home, mama can't find him. That's not what, that's not what made you.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  And to, and to her credit, I wanna give her her love, she actually said, and I know it's crazy, that I'm just figuring it out now. But this is the thing, they're siloed. She's liberal. But I'm saying, the people that are shocked by what's happening in the world and, and those that still don't believe it's actually happening, or think it's only happening to the bad people, I think that they're siloed. So how do you reconcile that when you go out into the real world and you're around black people and you've never been around them? Did you see the video recently of the little, of the white woman with the baby and the cake?

• 1:01:14Keke Palmer?

  No, tell me about more of this.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  This. Oh, it went viral. So this white woman was out with her husband and her kids, her daughter and her, her son. And they, the little girl, little toddler wanted some cake and this black family having a celebration.

• 1:01:25Keke Palmer?

  Oh, I know this. And she wanted to go over there and get it.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  And she said, well, my, what my toddler wants, my toddler gets. And I wrote about it and I was like, perhaps this would have been a teaching moment for your toddler. Where you could tell your toddler everything you want, you will not have in life. This is a good life lesson. You can't have everything that you want.

• 1:01:42Keke Palmer?

  And it actually helps your daughter.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  It helps your child.

• 1:01:44Keke Palmer?

  It's good for them though. And I get every chance I get, Leo, that's not yours.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  That's not yours.

• 1:01:48Keke Palmer?

  Sweetie, mama can get you something, maybe.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  We will see.

• 1:01:51Keke Palmer?

  But at the end of the day, you gotta let that back, let that go.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Let it go. That's not.

• 1:01:55Keke Palmer?

  And he's like, mm, it moves on.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  But, but listen, you gonna learn it in life. You better learn it at, at three in the safety of mama where she can maybe order you some cake of your own. Then learn it out in the streets or at your job. Learn it today.

• 1:02:07Keke Palmer?

  And I think some people run to that, to silos in that regard because they think it's going to give them safety. You know what I mean?

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  But they're learning now that it's not.

• 1:02:14Keke Palmer?

  And that's what James Baldwin said. James Baldwin said that years and years ago. He said, it's not true.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 1:02:19Keke Palmer?

  If I'm just treating another person bad and you're believing that, well, just, that's not me. I'mma just, I'mma just be over here because I don't want that to be me.

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  It's gonna be you.

• 1:02:26Keke Palmer?

  It's only going to be just a matter of time before it catches up to you too.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  To be you.

• 1:02:30Keke Palmer?

  You know?

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  And this is the thing, life is tough enough. We just need to love each other. That's it. Just love each other. I don't care how much melanin you got or don't got.

• 1:02:40Keke Palmer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  If you're a good person, come on over here and sit down.

• 1:02:42Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, that's it.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Just be a good person, sit on down and let's build.

• 1:02:45Keke Palmer?

  Yes. And I love, I love that you also shared the conversation with Beth because those are also real, genuine conversations that we should be having with each other.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  And she's a good friend and she's got a good heart and I was.

• 1:02:56Keke Palmer?

  You can't always expect everybody to get it all the time. Like, you know what I mean?

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  And you gotta give people time to get it because this is the thing, um, every single person wants to eat good food, have shelter and, and be able to go to the doctor. This is universal. We are all the same species. Can we just come together?

• 1:03:11Keke Palmer?

  One race.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  One race. One race. What we doing?

• 1:03:15Keke Palmer?

  It's so true. It's so true. And I, I, I just give it all to God, you know?

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  That's all you can do.

• 1:03:19Keke Palmer?

  Give it all to God at a certain point.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  So you can do.

• 1:03:20Keke Palmer?

  Um, I wanna switch, shift for a moment and talk about your father. Um, and how he was, uh, in your fifth season of Community, he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Keke Palmer?

  And you decided to leave the show to take care of him.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:03:32Keke Palmer?

  That's a really big thing, you know what I'm saying? It is, because you're in the middle of your career, things are going great.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Is it? Wasn't a big deal to me.

• 1:03:42Keke Palmer?

  Really? You didn't even think about, cause also somebody could say, it's gonna be expensive. You know, where you gonna get the money if you don't, you know?

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  In my, in my, in my mind, and I'm not being flippant about it in that regard.

• 1:03:55Keke Palmer?

  No, no, you're, you're stressing it.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, what I wanna say is that this man taught me how to use a spoon.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  He want, I, he needs me to take care of him, I'mma take care of him. I do not take this industry, I'm not precious about this industry. I am not someone whose worth comes from being on television or being known. I don't get a, a, a puffed up ego about it. I'm Yvette Brown from East Cleveland. I've always been Yvette Brown from East Cleveland. I'mma leave here, Yvette Brown from East Cleveland. And Omar is my daddy and Omar needed me. So I will leave every show. That's why I think people that don't realize that when I say, if I lose it, I lose it. And I'm not hoping to be, uh, jobless or hoping to be begging bread. But I'm saying, if that is where speaking up and being a good person leads me.

• 1:04:39Keke Palmer?

  Then that's where I'm supposed to be.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Then that's where I'm supposed to be. And so the way I looked at it is, I can choose to stay at a show and neglect what my father needs, or I can choose to trust God that he will provide. And I have to ask these kind people to release me from this contract so I can go and take care of daddy. Cause what happened was, Community got canceled. And he was already, something was going on, we didn't know what it was. And I was like, soon as the show ends, I'm going to get him. Cause I knew I couldn't do the show and care for daddy, cause the hours of the show. So when it got canceled, I'm like, cool. Canceled on Friday in Cleveland by Su- uh, Sunday, packing him up, took about a week to get all of his affairs together. We were on a plane back here within a week and a half, right? And then Community got picked up on Yahoo screen and my contract was picked up.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  So then I had to go and beg them to please, it wasn't even begging, I just asked, could you please, I have to take care of my dad, could you please release me? And Sony and Dan Harmon released me. And then maybe, was it a month? I get a call from CBS about The Odd Couple reboot. And they're like, we'd love for you to come on and play Matthew Perry's assistant. And then I got a job that was a 20 hour week instead of an 80 hour week. And so, and, and the job was seven minutes from my house. I could go home and see daddy at lunchtime. I could bring daddy the set with me. Like, it was an entire different, entirely different world. You know, and that's what trusting that God has you, right? I think about Raiders of the Lost Ark and I think about that leap of faith that Harrison Ford, Indiana Jones has to take to save his father.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Outside is certain death for his father. If he don't take that step over that chasm to go get that chalice of Jesus and fill it with some juice to save his daddy, his daddy gonna die. That was the decision for me. Daddy's going to die. He's in Cleveland, no one is taking care of him. He is, he is not well.

• 1:06:22Keke Palmer?

  And you the only child.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  I'm not the only child. I got an older brother.

• 1:06:25Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  But I was the chosen, yeah, but I was the chosen one to do this. And so, I was the one that chose to do this. And this is the thing about caregiving. I don't, I don't judge anybody who can't do it. I don't judge anybody that's not able to do it. I knew it was what I was supposed to do. I'm only responsible for what I am supposed to do. So I went home and got my daddy. And then God provided. And so that's, and that has been the, the case for all, my entire life. We, we talk about, talked about Jenny and Forrest Gump. My entire career's been Forrest Gump. Everything I've ever done. Sitting here with you. I got, I, I didn't even know the email had come in and that, that, that this is Keke Palmer wanted to see me. I was waiting for the call. I was hoping I got the call, but I didn't even know the call had come in. I looked at my, my, um, my calendar and it said, get it.

• 1:07:08Keke Palmer?

  Why did that fall off?

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  I don't know why. It's the Lord saying, I'm saying good stuff. He said, yeah, that's good stuff. Um, but I got the, I got, looked, checked my calendar and there you were. You got the back?

• 1:07:15Keke Palmer?

  I don't have the back.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  I got an extra back.

• 1:07:17Keke Palmer?

  Oh, hook me up. Wait, wait, wait, but you need your back?

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  I got it.

• 1:07:20Keke Palmer?

  Oh, it's an extra back?

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  So take it. I'll do anything for you, babe.

• 1:07:23Keke Palmer?

  Thank you for that extra back.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Have what you need. See, I'm still good.

• 1:07:26Keke Palmer?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  But yeah, so it's just that, that understanding that God has got you no matter what it looks like.

• 1:07:32Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  In the moment.

• 1:07:34Keke Palmer?

  It's true, but it's hard for folks to feel like they can go ahead and do that. So that's why I think it's important that you speak too and we share these testimonies. Um, and again, it, it's about.

• 1:07:45Keke Palmer?

  It goes back to also what you were saying about saying what I gotta say, no matter where it leads me.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Where it leads.

• 1:07:50Keke Palmer?

  Being true and being in alignment is gonna lead you to where you should be. Even if it seems to go totally against what somebody thinks makes the most sense.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  You gotta make, you gotta live a life that makes sense for you and do no harm. Those are my two things.

• 1:08:02Keke Palmer?

  Over the course of all that journey and that time, did you ever have a moment of like, oh, this, I'm angry or this is, this is a lot on me? Or, I mean, I imagine.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely. As a caregiver, and you know, as a mom, you're a caregiver, you're a mom, right? So there's moments where it's sunshine arises, there's moments when it's hard. But I've always, the way I always describe caregiving is that it's the toughest, best thing I ever did, or the best tough thing I've ever did. So it's, it's, it's going to be hard, but you can do it. What I always try to tell caregivers or people that are afraid or starting the journey themselves, because the one thing is that everybody's gonna be here. Before we leave here, you'll either be a caregiver or a caregiver. Nobody misses it. Every single person. And again, as I say, if you're a parent, you're already doing it, right? So it's scary because it's, it's, it's the unknown. But what I remind people of is caregiving is just love.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  You love somebody, you gonna feed them. You love them, you gonna make sure they clean. You love them, you gonna make sure they got a little entertainment. You can do it. And so just lean in. Now, everybody may not be able to do it in their home. I was able to do it in my home for eleven and a half years. Everybody can't do that. So don't even be hard on yourself if you can't do it in your home.

• 1:09:09Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Like, the guilt is the biggest part of caregiving for me. I think it's, and it probably is, I'm not a parent, but I can imagine as a parent, the guilt, like, any moment I'm not, I was not with my dad, I was like, I should be with my dad.

• 1:09:19Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Right? And I'm sure parents feel that, well, I'm not with my kid. So it's, it's, that's all part of it. But I always remind people also that if my dad was in his right mind and could say what he wanted to say, he would tell me, thank you, and he would say, go see Kiki today. You know what I mean? He would want me to continue to live my life. And so I do live, and I spend time with him, and then I live my life. And I go back and spend some more time with him, and then I live my life. Yeah.

• 1:09:43Keke Palmer?

  And you got your Grace Award for Squeeze, your award-winning podcast, where you really are, you know, letting out what, what it was like on your caregiving journey. But it's been also a real big support on people that are in theirs. So that's really amazing. Congratulations on that. Yeah. You're married?

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  I am married.

• 1:10:00Keke Palmer?

  To Anthony Davis?

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Shocking.

• 1:10:01Keke Palmer?

  You guys met, I have to talk about this because, you know, I feel like I've, I've been a part of the journey on it. So I've watched, you know, I'm engaged. Now, you guys met in an acting class in, at, acting class at church.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  At church.

• 1:10:13Keke Palmer?

  Which sounds very fabulous. I love it. We was praying and we was performing.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Bible church, yes.

• 1:10:19Keke Palmer?

  And, I mean, that sounds like the opening of a rom-com.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:10:22Keke Palmer?

  But you guys didn't immediately start dating then.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:10:24Keke Palmer?

  So what was the journey of you guys staying friends and then you realizing that maybe this is my boo for real?

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  It's so funny. When I met him, he was.

• 1:10:31Keke Palmer?

  Ooh, I'm ready for this. Ooh, you ready?

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  When I met him, he was married.

• 1:10:35Keke Palmer?

  Oh.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we were just, we were just platonic. So we were just platonic friends in acting class together, but I thought he was just the nicest, funniest guy. Like, and everybody did. It's not like it was just me going, Tony's great. Everybody thought Tony was great. Um, and so he was with us, I think, I think I was in class with him for maybe, maybe it was six months to a year, because then his family moved back to New York. And, um, I lost touch with him for like twenty-five years.

• 1:11:01Keke Palmer?

  Twenty-five years? That's a long ass time.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Went even born when we lost contact. And then he got divorced, and then his mom passed, and then my mom passed. And he saw online, because I didn't know it, but he had been following me, I didn't know it. So throughout the years, he was sending me little messages, like, great job on this thing. Never DMs, just in the comments. Like, great job on this, or blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, thanks. You know, I say, I respond to everybody, so I didn't know it was him. I was like, thank you, kind sir. Um, and then when my mom passed, he was in my DMs. That's the first time he popped up in my DMs, this man that I didn't know. And he was like, I, I, I heard about your mom passing. I'm really concerned about you. How are you? And I said, who are you? Who are you? And he was like, it's Tony Da, Tony, Tony Davis?

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  And then we just started talking again. He told me about his divorce and about his mom passing. We just started sharing with each other. And he instantly became my best friend. Like, we started talking every day online, then we were talking every day on the phone, and then we were FaceTiming every day. And the crazy thing about it is, I was falling in love and did not know I was falling in love. He never said, we be my girlfriend, let's be together. It, it never. It went from that DM to a ring on my finger, and I honestly do not know how it happened. Like, it just was meant to be.

• 1:12:20Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. What was it like when he asked you to marry him?

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  It was so cool. So I knew, we had already, we had said to each other that we, that he had to decide if he wanted to be married again after his marriage. Because he'd been married a long time. He's twenty-seven years married. It's a long time. And I was good. You know, my cousin, who's a pastor, my cousin, um, Rochelle, we call her Rochelle, cousin Rochelle, she's a, she's a bishop now.

• 1:12:48Keke Palmer?

  Oh, congratulations.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  Apostle, she's a apostle. Um, she had said to me, she said, God told me to tell you something. I said, wait, wait, what, what did the Lord say? Go on, tell me what the Lord said. She said, the Lord said that you need to decide if you're a wife or not. I was like, what?

• 1:13:02Keke Palmer?

  What do that mean?

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  She was like, if you are a wife, the Lord has someone perfectly crafted for you. If you're not a wife, he will keep you your entire life, exactly as you are now, happy and content. But you need to decide if you're a wife. And I was like, I gotta decide nothing. Ten years goes by. Kid you not. Ran it, was, Roch came to visit my dad, came to LA. And she's, she's prophetic. And so I joked and said, yo, cuz, you got a, got a word for me? She said, I do have a word for you, same word I gave you ten years ago. God wants you to decide if you are a wife or not. How she remembered the prophecy from ten years ago, I do not know. And she said, you can play around with this.

• 1:13:44Keke Palmer?

  She's anointed.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Exactly. So you can play around with this all you want, but you need to decide. And I was like, dang. And so I said, cuz, I think, I think I'm a wife.

• 1:13:55Keke Palmer?

  And what, what made you say that? Why'd you say that?

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Because it just felt like it was gonna be a lot of work.

• 1:13:59Keke Palmer?

  But what made you think that you are a wife?

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Because I kinda knew that I was. And I had already started, and I had started talking to Tony by this time. Now, I wasn't thinking that I was Tony's wife.

• 1:14:09Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, but you felt that it was you.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  But I felt this pull. Now, now, now, now, the whole family on that side is Christian and in church. I hang up with Roch, my cousin Stacy, her sister calls. Yo, um, you gonna hate this, because Roch has said you ain't on board, but, um, your husband's coming. Now that you said your husband is coming, and, um, I had a dream, I saw, I, I can see him, you're, you're gonna be married soon. Bye, Stacy. Bring my cousin Kim, the other sister.

• 1:14:37Keke Palmer?

  No.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Four sisters, Kim. Only one they didn't give me was my cousin Sharon. Kim, hey, uh, so I heard you talk to Roch, um, your husband is coming. Um, you need to, the Lord told me to tell you that he's coming, and you need to get ready, because you about to be a wife. Now that you've said that. They had not ever known that Roch gave me this prophecy. Roch just said what she told me the second time. And they were like, well, I can release the kraken. So God had told all of them. Yvette need to stop playing, her husband is imminent. And my husband was imminent.

• 1:15:09Keke Palmer?

  It's something to say about the opening yourself up to your truth. Because if you've always felt that, but never necessarily claimed that or walked into that.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Because the dating, the dating pool.

• 1:15:21Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  It had pee in it.

• 1:15:23Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  You didn't pee, and little creatures floating around, Cro-Magnon creatures.

• 1:15:28Keke Palmer?

  And it can make you say it's not for you. But what's interesting is, is that if you say it's for you, or whatever that is for you, God already knows, and he was just waiting so he can reveal it to you.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  But this is the other thing that I, when I tell the story, I need to tell the truth of this. I had prayed for a hedge of protection around me. You ever heard, it's a good prayer.

• 1:15:47Keke Palmer?

  Get me into this.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  My prayer was, Lord, please keep me concealed from anybody you have not sent for me.

• 1:15:56Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  Right? Protect me from anything that is not sent for me, and that's friend, lover.

• 1:16:03Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Husband, it, not husband, husband sent for me, but if there's someone in, coming for me that you did not send, please protect me. I don't want, I didn't want to do.

• 1:16:11Keke Palmer?

  No distortion.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't want to do no years of counterfeit. I didn't want to be so broken down in my spirit that by the time the man that was made for me came, I was not ready to receive him because of the mess I had been through. So I had a lot of singleness. I was single forever. And people were like, well, what's wrong with you? There's nothing wrong with me. I'm waiting, no, no, no.

• 1:16:30Keke Palmer?

  No, people do say that. Not about you, I'm just saying about everybody.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Because again, going back to what we said at the beginning, they believe that a woman by a certain point, gotta have babe, gotta have kid. Why can't I choose what's right for me? Raise up off me. I'm good.

• 1:16:44Keke Palmer?

  Is there something wrong with me, or is there something right with me?

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Is there something right, or maybe there's something wrong, I've said, I said this on Wendy Williams, so maybe there's something wrong with society. And what they believe a woman should be and have by a certain time. They don't do that to men. A man could be sixty-five years old, and they say, he's a bachelor. They don't say nothing about when you get married to no man, when you having kids to no man. They be on us like this. So I think I was fighting against that too. I'm like, you don't get to tell me what I'm going to be.

• 1:17:08Keke Palmer?

  Yes, yes. That's so interesting, but also so good, because it's like.

• 1:17:14Keke Palmer?

  It's hard, when people are putting so much on you, to know if what you want is you, or everything that everyone is saying. So sometimes it's like, let me quiet the noise, because it's like, I don't want my I don't want my personality to also be just fighting against you.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:30Keke Palmer?

  I don't want to push something away, just because you wanted from me, and now I don't know. That's tough, when everybody keeps.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  You said something good, too. I wanted to give you your kudos for this. Somebody was talking about, I think you were talking to Steve Harvey. And Steve Harvey said that you needed to a certain type of rich man. And you were like, I'm good, though. Like, I need a kind man. I need a loving man. I need a funny man.

• 1:17:51Keke Palmer?

  Why do we assume that a nice man is a rich man? Y'all kill me with that. You know what I mean? I don't know why. That's the thing. And it's like, you're right. To me, look, I don't know everything, but I know what I enjoy is really, somebody that's funny. Don't take theyself too seriously. They listen to me. They like to spend time with me. My parents, my family loves them. They're a family person. They love God.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  What's better than that?

• 1:18:11Keke Palmer?

  None of that says, got a million dollars in the bank.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  That don't say height. That don't say what they look like. That don't say money.

• 1:18:16Keke Palmer?

  The height would be preferred, but I'll do what I gotta do.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  But do what you gotta do.

• 1:18:19Keke Palmer?

  No, no.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  I don't care. Listen, it's some lovely man, five six, so don't sleep.

• 1:18:24Keke Palmer?

  Bring that up, because it is true. I do feel like there's something that they do to women that are successful in society, where it's like, look, I get this idea that like, you know, that's what a man cares about, but maybe we should stop telling men to care about that. Like, maybe this whole idea, and this is why we're in the gender wars, I feel like.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:42Keke Palmer?

  You're defining men on their value, by what kind of car they drive.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:18:46Keke Palmer?

  What kind of job they have.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Do you remember, uh, what's his face, Kevin Samuels?

• 1:18:50Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  People talk about the disservice that he did to women, and he did do a disservice to women. That whole rate yourself with some hotness. But beyond that, he did a disservice to men as well, because in telling women that to get a high-value man, which to him was a certain height, certain amount of money, whatever, they had to be a certain way. It made men who, I think somebody did the math, the percentage of men that make over a hundred thousand dollars and are six foot is a miniscule amount of men. So that means, all the women are going after them five men. And the rest of the women, and the rest of the men, are lonely for the rest of their lives? Because money and height is the most important thing in a mate?

• 1:19:33Keke Palmer?

  And it also ended up feeling like satire. Almost felt like at a certain point, he was being a satirical character, rest in peace, because it was like, you wanted to actually show how when somebody, when you're saying you want this, what if this high-value man is, it becomes this game of like, a lot of people want that high-value man.

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:19:54Keke Palmer?

  So you gonna have to jump through hoops.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Or you gonna have to share.

• 1:19:57Keke Palmer?

  Perfect. You gonna have to share. And it's like, and that's like, and it's like that, we cool with that, other than just get a high-value heart?

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, give me a high-value spirit and soul.

• 1:20:07Keke Palmer?

  A spirit and soul. Like, who wants to be fighting for one man that is, you know, the most perfect bachelor in a Tyler Perry movie? Like, y'all gotta stop.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Y'all better cut it out. Y'all better find you somebody you can build with. I've been telling people, find somebody. This is the thing.

• 1:20:21Keke Palmer?

  Nobody likes mechanics anymore.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:24Keke Palmer?

  You know, nobody likes firefighting.

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  I need you to have something that you believe in, that you chasing. I need you to get up, and I need you to be able to take care of yourself. You ain't gotta take care of me. Be able to take, I can take care of me. Take care of you, though, so I don't gotta take care of you.

• 1:20:36Keke Palmer?

  That's it.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  That's it. Everybody bring what you got, and then let's build together.

• 1:20:42Keke Palmer?

  I mean, and again, it's like, that's kind of home I grew up in.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:20:45Keke Palmer?

  Neither one of my parents were loaded. You know what I mean? They both was just working and doing what they had to do.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  And a custodian.

• 1:20:50Keke Palmer?

  My mother, my dad worked at a factory. First, he worked in the factory, then he worked up to sales. My mom worked at many different jobs. She was singing from church to church. Whoa, whoa, God is good. I'm coming with her in the back. She just made three hundred dollars. You know what I'm saying? She's going down, and she's a teacher for mentally challenged children. I go up there to the school. We was hanging out with the kids. You know, those were the jobs that they had, and it was multiple. Never once did I hear my momma say, when we going on that five-star hotel vacation?

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  You need to fly me out somewhere. I need to be flewed out.

• 1:21:18Keke Palmer?

  I never heard that from her. So when people are projecting, and look, I love Steve, taking it back. I love Steve.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  We both love Steve. And listen, he-

• 1:21:26Keke Palmer?

  But it's this particular way and vibe.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  But that's also-

• 1:21:28Keke Palmer?

  And if you're going for a particular role.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  But that's also his generation, and that's also Steve, I think, trying to protect you, and make sure nobody takes you for granted, or takes you for a ride. So Steve, we love you.

• 1:21:38Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, we love Steve.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  But I think, but I think, why I love that you spoke back to him and said, but what about this? Is because you were also letting him know, there's another way, Steve. And there is another way, and I hope that young women, or older women my age, are hearing that.

• 1:21:51Keke Palmer?

  Are doing comedy stuff. It was a bit. It was a bit, and a bit, and a bit. You know, but there's, but when people take things out of context, it's important to shine the light on what the true part is, which at the center of what I'm saying is, yes, you should have somebody to have something going for themselves. Of course, I think that those things are important, but at the same time, I don't really judge a man's character solely by how much money he has in his pocket.

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  You can't judge him.

• 1:22:13Keke Palmer?

  I don't just assume, just because he has this amount of money, that he's worth my time.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  You can't. You can't. You can't judge him by what they have in their bank account. You can't do it.

• 1:22:20Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? I'd rather judge him by what they have in their pants. I'm playing. I'm playing. I'm playing. Y'all, I can't joke with y'all now. Wow, that's crazy.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 1:22:28Keke Palmer?

  I want to talk about the fact that you've joined me. Come on, yes! Yes, I want to get on the fact that you've joined me with Lady Miss Jaclyn.

• 1:22:36Speaker 01

  I had the best.

• 1:22:37Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I am so excited. I mean, you are, first of all, you're voicing many different characters in projects. You're in Zootopia 2, and obviously Inside Out 2. Inside Out is one of my favorite Pixar intellectual properties.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 1:22:49Keke Palmer?

  It's incredible. My niece, she come up to me all the time and say, yes, I'm just a little anxious. I have anxiety. And I'm like, I know it's because of that movie.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  But call it out, baby. Call out that emotion.

• 1:23:01Keke Palmer?

  And then obviously, like I said, you are in this incredible cast, followed by Audre McDonald, Danielle Brooks, Jackie Harriet, Jennifer Lewis, Michelle Burtow, Raven Simone, Cheryl Lee Ralph, Zachariah Porter. Me, I mean, this is the Lady Miss Jaclyn weddings, the weddings of Lady Miss Jaclyn. This character is like, you know, we were talking about Helen, and we were talking about Shirley. This is like my first baby comedic character, where I found my voice.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  That was during COVID, wasn't it?

• 1:23:27Keke Palmer?

  Say it again?

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  During COVID?

• 1:23:28Keke Palmer?

  During, it was, no, you know what? It started in when I started doing Scream Queens, 2016, and continued on.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Has it been that long?

• 1:23:35Keke Palmer?

  She's grown, and grown, and grown.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  You were doing these videos back then?

• 1:23:38Keke Palmer?

  Back then.

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  You ain't never played. Let me tell you something. Let me tell y'all something about Keke Palmer. One thing that I love about you is your ability to switch lanes. And some people will switch a lane and drive that lane exclusively, until another detour comes, and they'll switch. You do that. You do Frogger. Your lane switching is like Frogger. Like, you see an opening.

• 1:24:00Keke Palmer?

  I still let it go.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  And you, and so do I. And you're in it, right? And you ride, like, you don't wait for a lane. You don't wait for there to be a clear line in the lane for you to keep riding. You gonna ride in this lane and kill it. And, oh, the getting is good over here, let me.

• 1:24:15Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  And at the same time, to be able to do podcasts and Audible stuff, and TV and game shows and podcast, girl! Girl, and every time you call, ain't it been a yes?

• 1:24:28Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, crazy guy.

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  I ain't never said no to you. I never would. I never said no to you.

• 1:24:31Keke Palmer?

  Well, I'm so happy that you joined, because it just, I mean, I feel like I have some real crazy comedic, like, major sludge embers coming through the door. I mean, please, I cannot wait for everybody to check out on Audible's The Weddings of Lady Miss Jaclyn. It's a great, great series, and I'm just so glad that you're a part of it.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:24:48Keke Palmer?

  And so I thought of myself, before I get up out of here, I got so much stuff going on with you. We got games.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I got a game. I'm in the game, too.

• 1:24:53Keke Palmer?

  I just want to do-

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Let's do it. Oh, here she come.

• 1:24:55Keke Palmer?

  Get myself together, because Lady Miss got some-

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  That's a, ew, that's a good shake and go. Where you get that shake and go? Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, okay.

• 1:25:04Keke Palmer?

  She's coming together.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  She's in. She's in. Lock in. Lock in, though. There it is. There it is. Now it's happening. Now it's hap- it wasn't happening before, but now, she had the door. She had the door. Make sure your teeth, you ain't got none on your teeth, huh? Lick it off. Here we go.

• 1:25:17Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Ah!

• 1:25:20Keke Palmer?

  Now, Yvette.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Yes, darling.

• 1:25:22Keke Palmer?

  I could ask you plenty of questions about this new Audible project, but let's be real. We all love to talk about weddings, and this Lady Miss Jaclyn, we're here for a ride. So who better to get into it with you than I? I know you've got tea to spill, so let's get into it. Okay. So, I attempt to only invite people I enjoy to my weddings. However, sometimes due to politics, hostile takeovers, real estate deals, royal bloodlines, and the demands of the groom of the moment, I've had to invite some people I do not enjoy. So Yvette Nicole Brown, was there anyone you had to invite to your wedding that you didn't like? And if you can't say names, tell us why you dislike them.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I adore you so much. No, because weddings are expensive. And I ain't giving nobody no rubber chicken unless I like them. So I didn't bring anybody up in there that I didn't absolutely adore. And there's some people that couldn't make it that I invited, but everybody there I absolutely adored.

• 1:26:24Keke Palmer?

  I love that. So I walked down the aisle, swam down. I was promoting my hit single, "Pool Vibes." I love pools, pools are the vibes, just a little something for you. And I danced down and I enjoyed that performance more than the marriage, mind you. The aisle, I've walked down the aisle 14 times. What song did you walk down the aisle to?

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Ooh, um, "Best Part." Yeah. By her.

• 1:26:52Keke Palmer?

  By her, I love her.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're the best part.

• 1:26:55Keke Palmer?

  She's so she.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  She's so she.

• 1:26:58Keke Palmer?

  Other celebs who reconnected with someone from their past and got married include Nelly and Ashanti, whom I adore, of course, Jennifer Lopez, "Over and Over Again," with Ben Affleck. Mary Osmond, who I can tolerate as long as her brother's nowhere around me. There's tea there. And someone I won't name, but I simply cannot stand, fine, it's Carol Channing. Okay, so tell me this, what did you serve during cocktail hour?

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  Ooh, we had, you know, I don't necessarily know because we missed it.

• 1:27:30Keke Palmer?

  You didn't remember because you got so lifted.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  We missed the cocktail hour. But I believe it was like some crab, a little crab, wonton-y thing.

• 1:27:40Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  And there was a little salmon something, and I think we even had those potatoes.

• 1:27:45Keke Palmer?

  A little Asian fusion.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  With the little bit of caviar, with the little dollop of the sour cream.

• 1:27:49Keke Palmer?

  Aduvves.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  The little duvves.

• 1:27:51Keke Palmer?

  Very yummy. Well, thank you so much. I really loved, I really loved getting all the nice tea details to your wedding event. I'm so glad for you and so happy for you and Toni.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  It's wrong. Why are you like this? I have no idea why. Kiki.

• 1:28:08Keke Palmer?

  I just had to do it. Lady Miss had to come and visit you.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:28:13Keke Palmer?

  Her lipstick is so tacky.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  You could have left it on, baby. It looked good. He was all right.

• 1:28:16Keke Palmer?

  It was too much.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  It's all right.

• 1:28:18Keke Palmer?

  How do I look now?

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  You look good. You always look good.

• 1:28:20Keke Palmer?

  Thanks, darling. Okay, so now it's time to get into a game. So this game is called Extra or Not Extra. And the rules are simple. One person names a category and the other person says what extra thing we used to do back then versus what we actually do now. Whoever's more evolved wins bragging rights. This one's brought to us by our presenting sponsor, Seventh Generation. So let's get into it.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, let me go with you. Let me go first and you can show me.

• 1:28:46Keke Palmer?

  Okay, great.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  If I can go first.

• 1:28:47Keke Palmer?

  Okay, here we go. You go first.

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  Okay, this is my question for you. Prepping for a date.

• 1:28:52Keke Palmer?

  Oh, prepping for a date. Did I used to be extra or not extra?

• 1:28:57Keke Palmer?

  Prepping for a date. You know what? I think that it depends on who asked me. I showed up to some dates with no makeup on, like, hey.

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  Because he was cool.

• 1:29:08Keke Palmer?

  Come on, what's up?

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Or you didn't care.

• 1:29:09Keke Palmer?

  I was just kind of like, look, like, there's a lot going on. You know what I mean? But then there's been other dates where I'm, I think it actually has something to do with what's happening with me at work at the time.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  How busy you are, how busy you are.

• 1:29:20Keke Palmer?

  But when I'm really, really, because I hate it, but like, dating is so secondary in my life. Like, and it shouldn't be because it's like, I want love and I want to have fun, but when it comes down to it, I'm like, I gotta date.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  No, but the other thing is, though, yes, but you get to prioritize what matters to you in every season of your life.

• 1:29:42Keke Palmer?

  Dating is never giving, getting a lot of life.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  If you take anything from me today, baby, please take this from me. You and you get to prioritize what you want to prioritize in your life. Now, do not push something aside that is actually a priority.

• 1:29:56Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  For the sake of work.

• 1:29:58Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  But if work is the priority, then be about it.

• 1:30:04Keke Palmer?

  That's what it is. So I would say I'm not extra. You know, back in the day, I was probably more extra, but now I'm not extra about.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you following your own rules around.

• 1:30:18Keke Palmer?

  Okay, okay, here we go.

• 1:30:21Keke Palmer?

  Saving things just in case.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:30:24Keke Palmer?

  That'll get your house in hordes.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  First of all, I need you to stop peeking in my windows and get out of my business. I am so sentimental and so nostalgic. And like, this is especially, this is the tough one because I lost my mom five years ago.

• 1:30:38Keke Palmer?

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Anything the woman touched, if she ever touched it, I have it. Like, I can't, like, that's her. And I think there's something, I think I might have ADHD, undiagnosed. But I think I might have it because they said with people with ADHD, one of the things is that their things become their diary. Their things become how they remember, you know, a ticket from a trip. You know, I went to see Janet Jackson, here's my ticket stub. I don't throw that away because I went to see Janet Jackson, this is my ticket stub, right? So I have too much stuff. It's hard for me to let it go. And I'm learning, so I'm very extra with that. Rainy day, and also I think growing up poor.

• 1:31:20Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:21Speaker 01

  You're like, I might.

• 1:31:21Keke Palmer?

  Oh, no, we can't.

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  I might, no, that's still good. That's a good box. I had box. I mean, I'm gonna give Kiki a gift and that box the perfect size for when I'm gonna give Kiki that.

• 1:31:31Keke Palmer?

  I know.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's, that's, there's my truth.

• 1:31:34Keke Palmer?

  That's like that trash bag door, that drawer with all the bags from all the stores. You never know when you need a bag.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  And you don't take them when you go, though, do you? They right in the drawer.

• 1:31:42Keke Palmer?

  Right.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's bad. Y'all pray for me.

• 1:31:46Keke Palmer?

  Okay, I'm ready.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Traveling with a three-year-old. You can't even do then and now because you got the three-year-old now.

• 1:31:53Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, that's not a good then and now. I mean, for now, it's always extra. He is so extra. Leo is so, what I love about my son is that he has such clear boundaries. And he's not afraid to say what he wants and what he needs. You know what I'm saying? And his character is continuing to develop. And it also is so funny because I feel like he reflects back the truest version of me.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:32:17Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  Because what you just described was you.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Ain't nothing but birthed yourself. You came here with boundaries. Are you kidding me?

• 1:32:24Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my God, I feel like I need more.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  You came, I mean, you, listen, you came here and then they got beat out of you in this business, right? Get him back.

• 1:32:32Keke Palmer?

  Come on.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  Get him back.

• 1:32:33Keke Palmer?

  And when I look at him, it's like.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Learn from that baby.

• 1:32:36Keke Palmer?

  You know, he's like, girl, you know what I mean? And he takes everything I say and turns into his own thing. I mean, I just, yeah, Leo was extra. He makes traveling extra. But he's the most fun to be with, the most cuddly, lovey. He kiss you like.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  Seeing you as a mom has been just so lovely. So, because you know, I met you as a little baby.

• 1:32:57Keke Palmer?

  Girl, 15.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  When I met you. I think you were younger than that. What'd you do, Hobbit did true?

• 1:33:02Keke Palmer?

  True, I was 14 when I got it, 15, like, turned 14, 15.

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  Okay, so 15. Okay, yeah.

• 1:33:08Keke Palmer?

  Which is crazy.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  I was wrong. I said 12, it's 15.

• 1:33:11Keke Palmer?

  But did we meet before then?

• 1:33:13Speaker 01

  We might have met before. We had met before.

• 1:33:15Keke Palmer?

  We met before then.

• 1:33:16Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:33:16Keke Palmer?

  That's why, that's why.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  There it is. We worked together when you were 15.

• 1:33:19Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Okay, what you got for me?

• 1:33:20Keke Palmer?

  Okay, I have for you, holiday decorating.

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  Who, who talked, who'd you talk to?

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Who'd you talk to? I may still have a Christmas tree up.

• 1:33:35Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  From 2022.

• 1:33:38Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something. For the first time in my life, I got a family room. I moved into a new house, I have a family room.

• 1:33:43Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  And I put it in that corner. And it's so cute in that corner. And don't nobody be up in there in that family room.

• 1:33:49Keke Palmer?

  It's not even Christmas.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  It's Christmas somewhere. It's Christmas in my house 24 hours a day.

• 1:33:55Keke Palmer?

  Trash not around here.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  So I would say I'm more extra now.

• 1:33:59Keke Palmer?

  Yo.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Than when I was a kid. We didn't really have Christmas when I was a kid. We didn't have the money.

• 1:34:02Keke Palmer?

  Was it Jehovah's?

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  Oh, no, we didn't have the money.

• 1:34:04Keke Palmer?

  Why did, and Jehovah?

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  We was Jehovah's.

• 1:34:06Keke Palmer?

  Do they?

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  We was.

• 1:34:07Keke Palmer?

  Don't they celebrate Christmas? I'm thinking about birthdays.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  No, they don't. We were the, we were the Povas. The Povas. We had no money for Christmas. Ain't no Christmas. We got Christmas at home. Ain't no Christmas. So, yeah, so I think as I got older, I was like, I'm gonna get a tree, I'm gonna whatever. And now I just like the tree, I'm gonna leave it up.

• 1:34:24Keke Palmer?

  When we, when I was a kid, we had the, you know, that tree that you just, like, it's got metal pieces to it.

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Oh, we had to put the, yeah, and the building.

• 1:34:31Keke Palmer?

  I loved.

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  That's a 70s tree.

• 1:34:32Keke Palmer?

  You know what I'm saying? And now they try to be like, oh, you know, no, get you a real tree, get you a real tree, man. I like that mechanical pencil one.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Mine has lights on it. It's three pieces. It already has lights. So best suck in, good to go.

• 1:34:44Keke Palmer?

  Uh, well, can I just tell you so much, Yvette? You're the bomb. I love you. Talking to you, it didn't even feel like we're on a podcast. We're just chilling and talking and catching up.

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  I'm so proud of you.

• 1:34:53Keke Palmer?

  I love you so much.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  I love you. Thanks for having me.

• 1:34:55Keke Palmer?

  Thank you.

• 1:35:00Keke Palmer?

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• 1:35:20Keke Palmer?

  Today's conversation was a reminder that a woman never has just one voice or one life. There's the voice that makes people laugh, the voice that fights for what is right, the voice that says, I've got it, even when she's exhausted. And then there's the quieter voice that says, I need your help. I deserve love. I get to choose joy, too. Yvette Nicole Brown's story reminds us that caregiving can be an act of love without becoming your entire identity. That speaking up can cost you something and still be worth it. And that love doesn't arrive late, it arrives at the appointed time. You can be strong and still need support. You can hold grief, ambition, humor, love, possibility, and gratitude at the same time.

• 1:36:01Keke Palmer?

  Because, baby, there may be many lives inside of you, and every one of them deserves to be heard. I'll see you next time on Baby, This is Keke Palmer.