Doug DeMuro Answers All of Your Questions! And Special Guest Anders Holm!

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

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• 1:03Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Kenan. And we have a special Christmas episode of This Car Pod. Where we're primarily going to be taking your questions that you asked on our Christmas document. Filippo will step in for that, but right now we have a special guest. His name is Anders Holm and he is a famous celebrity actor. Well-known from the show Workaholics, which he created and stars in. And he is selling a very special car on Cars and Bits. So with that, let's talk about the AMG wagon. Tell us about it.

• 1:40Speaker 03

  I mean, it's, it's, I just took it to go get washed right now. And every time, without fail, someone you drive by goes like this.

• 1:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Yep. Especially in that color.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Cause they know. If you know, the other color is weird and crazy because you just don't see it. You see white, you see black.

• 1:59Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  You always see black interior.

• 2:02Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  Mine is red, mine is the dark brown interior with black wood, which I just don't know if it exists outside of my car.

• 2:11Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  So to be honest.

• 2:13Doug DeMuro?

  Talk me through, start with what made you purchase the car in the first place? How long have you had it?

• 2:18Speaker 03

  It's your fault. Um, I, I was going to build, I've had it since 2019 or 2018. I would, you know, how they, the years never line up. Um, but it is a 2019. I got it. Probably towards the end of the year, I was looking, looking, I was gonna build a Porsche Panamera because I just fell in love with the idea of how good it looks finally. And I drove it and I was like, God, this feels nice. And, but I never quit looking for the wagon because I just knew it was everything I wanted. And so I was gonna build one. And this was a time when like, the supply

• 3:00Speaker 03

  chain was getting all jacked up. And it was like, hey, if you want one, it's gonna take 18 months, not four or five or whatever it usually was. And so I just was like, ah, I can't handle this. And so I wanted to build my AMG wagon. Um, and then they kept being like, hey, uh, green doesn't exist anymore. And I'd go, okay, uh, navy. And then they'd call and go, actually, navy doesn't exist anymore either. And I'm like, well, I don't want white. I don't want black. I don't even want the matte silver, which I think looks cool, but like, just isn't me. And then I just kind of sat around waiting and looking. And then out of nowhere in Arcadia, red showed up. And I'm not even like

• 3:45Speaker 03

  ready for a red car. It's just, it's a lot, you know, but it's fun. And, uh, the interior I hadn't thought of, that wasn't what I spect. But it actually looked better in person than I thought on like the, you know, build your own car thing.

• 4:02Doug DeMuro?

  So what was the story? Was this, was this a new car at the time? Or that someone that they just ordered for stock? Or was it used car that someone had bailed out of?

• 4:09Speaker 03

  Brand new, showed up on the lot. I called the day of or the day after. And I'm like, is this someone's? And they were like, no. And so I had kind of a car guy looking for, for me. And I called him to call them.

• 4:22Doug DeMuro?

  That is a brave dealership ordering that color combination as a stock unit, hoping that they find somebody for it.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  I mean, you know how it goes. It must've been like a favor. Right? It was like, we're gonna give you all these, but we have this built sitting here. And no one wants it because it's a station wagon. It's red and has ceramic brakes, which no one wants to order.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  But they look good with the red. The red and yellow looks good. So.

• 4:46Doug DeMuro?

  So tell, take me through. So you've had the car now for four, five, six years. Why are you getting rid of it? And what is replacing it?

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Uh, I never drive it, uh, because I'm always gone filming.

• 4:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  Um, well, I'll be honest, I'm not that gone that often filming, but I like to say I am. No, but I am, I am out of, I am out of the house or out of town for at least six months a year.

• 5:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Um, working and my car just sits there.

• 5:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  And I never really drive it. And I also just, uh, I thought about getting rid of it earlier. And I got a Tesla. I got a Model S. Um, and then I just was like, I can't, I can't get rid of it. I can't, you know, that was two years ago.

• 5:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Uh, it was me being like, yeah, but let's go electric. Let's do that. The user, uh, interface of Tesla is just so easy.

• 5:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  You know, um, but I would take it out on the weekend and I would just haul ass around corners and like, it just feels good. You put it in sport plus and it kind of just, it's exactly what you want it to be.

• 5:56Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, do you haul children around in this car? Do you have kids?

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I got three kids. So.

• 6:01Doug DeMuro?

  So you're using.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Pardon? Yeah, I'm using it. I'm using it. I've even slept in it. Uh.

• 6:07Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. And how many AMG wagon owners can say that?

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Not many. And, and by the way, did I sleep in it? Just so someday I could go on a podcast with Doug DeMuro and say I slept in it? Maybe, you know, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta have five year plans. We gotta think these things ahead.

• 6:25Speaker 03

  But no, I'd seen your review of it and been like, well, if this dude's calling it the best car ever, I, I got it. I gotta get it, you know? Uh, and to be honest, the Panamera, it just was less user friendly as far as like, um, packing stuff in the back. I'm like, uh, it's wider. It's a, it's a bigger car.

• 6:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  It's way more expensive. Um, and it's not faster.

• 6:50Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  And it's, you know, so I just started doing all the math and crunching the numbers and was like, this is it.

• 6:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, so are you going to replace this car with anything or is the Model S the replacement?

• 7:00Speaker 03

  The Model S is the temp replacement. My wife also have a has a Rivian. So what I like to to tell you is that I think it's very possible that the cumulative Doug score I had in my driveway.

• 7:17Speaker 04

  Pretty solid.

• 7:18Doug DeMuro?

  Probably better than anybody. You have the you have the R1S. You have the R1S Rivian, the SUV.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah, the SUV, have the AMG wagon and then have the Tesla S.

• 7:28Doug DeMuro?

  That's so true, because those cars hit every category, which is they're fast and they're practical and they're luxurious. And most of the time, people only get one of them, but you have, for some reason, gotten three. You've really run the gamut.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  I'm redundant, redundant, redundant.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we just, I like, like I said, I was gonna get rid of the wagon, but then I just couldn't. It's too fun to drive. I never tracked it like I thought maybe I would.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  But the like, I was like, well, you gotta buy new tires. Okay. But the thing that really tripped me up is I was like, I'm not buying a helmet. I'm not buying a helmet to go track this one time. And then I just have a helmet in the garage that people go, what's that? And I go, ah, I tracked it one time.

• 8:13Doug DeMuro?

  But the helmet is sort of like the first step to the track day problem. You get a helmet. You're like, well, I got a helmet already. I might as well get a race suit.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  That's how you become a degenerate.

• 8:21Doug DeMuro?

  Right. You got a car hauler and a trailer and all that stuff. Well, I'm excited for it to sell. I'm excited to see it on the site. Tell us what other interesting cars. Have you had interesting cars in the past in your past life?

• 8:34Speaker 03

  You know, I haven't. I'm not. I wouldn't call myself a car enthusiast.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  I'm not somebody who can name like the actual names of all the Porsches. You know what I mean? Like by a year and all that.

• 8:45Speaker 04

  Can't anymore.

• 8:45Doug DeMuro?

  You just need to know one. It's 911.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  But I am an enthusiast. I am somebody who I'm like a design person, you know? And so, you know, even as a kid, I can remember very specific cars, but yeah, I'm a Volvo guy. I've always been a Volvo guy. I had.

• 9:03Doug DeMuro?

  The car in the show is actually relevant to your existence, the 740.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Yes, this is true. This is true. This is a, and I remember when we were developing Workaholics and then we were like, oh, let's have like an old chitty car. And someone was like, what about those old cool Volvos? And I was like, I think those are too cool.

• 9:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Let's go a few years ahead to this other body style that's not cool at all.

• 9:30Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  And let's have that be the car.

• 9:33Doug DeMuro?

  That's so true. The 240 is too cool. It has become a hipster icon. The 740 is indeed not cool. What was your first car?

• 9:40Speaker 03

  My first car was a 1981 Pontiac Bonneville. So this was a Hoopdy that my mom drove through the 80s and then I got when I was 16 and it was very old. I only had it for a few months before it crapped out. And then I got my dad's 85 Country Squire.

• 10:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow. So there was a wagon history here, the Country Squire to the AMG wagon. How many people made that transition?

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Not many. I mean, it's, it's kind of in the DNA. It's in the DNA. In, I have two older brothers. I think we went through three or four wagons between my dad and the three of us. We had a Mercury, but the Country Squire had like a five liter engine or something crazy.

• 10:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And a massive rear end and probably got two miles per gallon, probably better about what you get in the AMG station wagon.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  I'll tell you this, more people slept in that than they have.

• 10:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Doug DeMuro?

  People are sleeping in that on the streets of LA right now.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  There's no doubt. There's no doubt. But whenever I see one go by, I'm like, the wallet opens. I'm like, do I just go buy that from that person?

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 10:50Doug DeMuro?

  I promise you, I've, I've done this myself and I promise you, the memory of the car is better than actually going, doing that experience again.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  Right. Right. Right.

• 10:59Doug DeMuro?

  You don't want to go.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Smelling whatever 40 years of car smells like that's been actually lived in.

• 11:04Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Do you, do you think that the electric cars are going to do it for you? You think they're going to be enough for you coming out of the station wagon with the big V8? You think you'll be happy with that?

• 11:13Speaker 03

  You know, it is definitely not as sensory, like it's not as fun, but it's still fast. It's just a different kind of sensory. It doesn't hit as many boxes when you floor it.

• 11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  But like you can only floor it so often before you're like, yeah, right. That's what it does.

• 11:34Doug DeMuro?

  It exactly kind of a one trick pony, but my, I guess my question is, would you consider something that's a little bit older, more design focused, but gives you that visceral like sports car like is a very fun toy just to have like tucked in the corner for when you are home and you want something fun.

• 11:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I've thought about it and part of me is too

• 11:54Speaker 03

  like forward thinking like I don't want like an old radio where you have to like push the button in for like the preset to slide.

• 12:02Doug DeMuro?

  You don't have to go that old.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying?

• 12:03Doug DeMuro?

  You don't have to go to the 50s.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, but like I just, I want a touchscreen now, like I want all the stuff integrated. And so I also enjoy, as much as I enjoy like a classic look of a car, I don't mind like taking a swing on something new and being like, no, this is going to be a modern day classic. Like I think the next car, we have like a cabin and I need to get a car for the cabin. And maybe I bought a cabin to get a car for the cabin.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  The look of the new Volvo V90 wagon.

• 12:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Like the cross country. I'm like, isn't this the best looking car on the road? What is happening?

• 12:47Doug DeMuro?

  It gets, and that will get you back from wagon to wagon and the circle will continue to complete itself.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just think it's, it's so sharp. If they made that electric, I think it would be my last car.

• 12:58Doug DeMuro?

  I'm sure it will be, I'm sure the next generation will have some sort of plug in hybrid component and you'll be able to hop right back into a station wagon like you were intended to from birth.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  He's a wagon man.

• 13:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, I'm really excited for the AMG wagon to be on the site and to see what happens to it. I'm sad that you'll be selling it, but I have to assume someone very excited will be getting that color combination. It's a very, very special car.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I brought it to you. I brought it to Cars and Bid because I knew that people who would be on there would get it.

• 13:31Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  You know, this isn't something you just throw on another website I won't name. You're welcome. Because they won't get it. It'll sit there and they'll go, oh, why isn't it a sedan?

• 13:41Doug DeMuro?

  Right. We are wagon central. We have sold so many AMG. I think my audience has always been into them because I've always had all these crazy wagons. And so I've always been like the wagon central, but

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Oh, G-Wagon.

• 13:51Doug DeMuro?

  All the G-Wagons come up. But we have sold a lot of AMG station wagons and deservedly so. They are some of the coolest cars on the road. And I'm sad you'll be getting out of yours, but I hope there is another wagon in your future.

• 14:01Speaker 00

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• 14:31Speaker 01

  It's getting chilly outside, but you know what that means?

• 14:37Speaker 01

  It's time to cozy up with Panera Bread. Let's get toasty, cheesy. Oh, hello, broccoli cheddar soup in a bread bowl. How about melty? Okay, Chipotle Chicken Avo Melt. It's dipping bread and soupy goodness season. Oh yeah, we are so back. It's Panera season. Order now.

• 15:01Speaker 03

  I think there will be. And, and I just want to include this tidbit. The collapsible crate that comes with the wagon is still there.

• 15:09Doug DeMuro?

  Nice.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Waiting for the buyer.

• 15:11Doug DeMuro?

  Nice.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  To show, to show that to their partner or wife or family that it is, it's just a station wagon. That's all it is.

• 15:18Doug DeMuro?

  It's a practical car. You can convince them of that. And look how well it's been maintained. The guy still has the original collapsible crate. He's real.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, only 20,000 miles on it. So yeah, I, I had fun with it, but I never like really broke her end.

• 15:34Doug DeMuro?

  This is your chance to take it to a track day between when we're filming this and when the auction goes live. This is your opportunity to get on the track. We don't tell anybody.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  Why are these tires bald?

• 15:43Doug DeMuro?

  That is weird. We won't say anything to anybody, I promise.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:46Doug DeMuro?

  Get that helmet.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate it, Anders, and we look forward to the auction.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  Hey, thanks for having me on. Pleasure to talk with you guys and

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Fingers crossed on this finding a new owner who has as much fun as I did.

• 16:03Doug DeMuro?

  As much as you do, indeed.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:05Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, back to the next segment of the Christmas special, This Car Pod, where we answer your Christmas special questions.

• 16:14Speaker 05

  I'm Filippo.

• 16:14Doug DeMuro?

  For next week.

• 16:20Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's back. Buy a pilot support. For next week's podcast, you want to ask us questions, go to carsandbids.com, so come the community tab, there will be a post that says, these are where you post your questions. And then you ask your questions and we will answer them no matter how brilliant. But this week, we had a holiday special questions document, it was that one. And we're just going to answer them all. Let's do it. Not all of them, there's like 90, but we're going to answer a few. Okay, starting with Indican, who has a lot of questions. Hey guys, if you could go back in time and have the required funds, what do you wish your first car was, based on what was available in period Merry Christmas to all? F40.

• 16:55Speaker 05

  I mean, you don't want that to be your first car.

• 16:56Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. I mean, he says like, it sounds like unlimited money in period, the car was available.

• 17:00Speaker 05

  You don't want that to be your first car. How are you going to show up to your high school in an F40?

• 17:04Speaker 04

  Like the biggest baller they possibly could be? I'll tell you what.

• 17:10Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no. You don't actually want an F40.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  F50, good point. Yeah, very practical.

• 17:16Speaker 05

  And so you do drive?

• 17:17Doug DeMuro?

  F60.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  The F50 is pretty.

• 17:20Speaker 05

  What would you actually want?

• 17:21Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  What was your first car?

• 17:23Doug DeMuro?

  I had a 1996 Volvo 850 Turbo, which in the United States is 222 horsepower. In the United States, Turbo was only sold, it was the top line model in 96, except for the R.

• 17:32Speaker 05

  So it wasn't the top line.

• 17:34Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the Turbo and the R, in the Volvo 850 community, you know, let's just do this. Nobody's going to watch this episode, they're going to get D-gone Volvos. But the Turbo and the R, in the 850 community, the R is vaunted, it's like the special one. That, in the US, they were all sold with four speed automatics. The R didn't have anything special. It had 18 more horsepower than the Turbo, which is not anything.

• 17:53Speaker 05

  20%, 10%.

• 17:54Doug DeMuro?

  Fog lights, Alcantara seat inserts and different wheels. That was it.

• 17:57Speaker 05

  That's 10% more power. It's 10% more power.

• 18:00Doug DeMuro?

  That was it! Anyway, the point is.

• 18:03Speaker 05

  When you were 16, what, like in the realm of reason, like if you had instead of. A fifty R, A fifty turbo money. You had like two or three times that. What would you actually have wanted?

• 18:12Doug DeMuro?

  I really wanted a Volkswagen Corrado. That was like my first. Two, three times. What I really wanted, and I begged my parents for, was a tooth, was a Bugeye WRX, which had just come out.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  Really cool.

• 18:22Doug DeMuro?

  And I don't know why I thought that was even on the table. It was a twenty three thousand. Like, the concept of us getting a car like that. I, we, they didn't ever spend that much money on a car for themselves.

• 18:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 18:31Doug DeMuro?

  But I really wanted it. It didn't happen. And I still have never gotten one.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  I think, yeah, for.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  You actually had a five twenty five I?

• 18:37Speaker 04

  I had it, yep. It was a surprise reveal. Yeah, I had an E thirty nine. I had a two thousand one E thirty nine five twenty five I.

• 18:42Doug DeMuro?

  Base lift.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  It was manual with the, yeah, with the sport premium package. It was Topaz blue with a gray interior. I loved that car.

• 18:48Speaker 05

  What happened to that car?

• 18:49Speaker 04

  I ended up selling it when I got the M five, just because I didn't have room for it in the garage. Uh, I got, it was very sad. I saw a guy who I thought was gonna take great care of it and absolutely did not. When he called me two years ago and was like, hey, you know, the, I've still got the car. It's not in great shape anymore, but if you wanted to buy it back. And I was like, what do you mean? Head gasket was blown. The rust had really started. He didn't have any rusts, like, didn't do any preventative. And it was like, the car really sunk into the ground, which made me so sad. And I saw it on Facebook Marketplace for like eighteen hundred dollars.

• 19:19Speaker 05

  Well, he drove the car.

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I drove it and took care of it. That's the difference. Like I do with all of them.

• 19:24Speaker 05

  And then that one time you had to drop the ladder on it.

• 19:26Doug DeMuro?

  So the answer.

• 19:27Speaker 04

  That did happen.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  No, I, I mean, I ended up with one anyway, but no, the, the, so I looked at a couple of very interesting cars in period that I could have had that were great. One was a nineteen eighty nine Porsche nine eleven Carrera, the beautiful, regards red, black interior.

• 19:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  It had a hundred thousand miles on it and it was twelve five, I think.

• 19:47Doug DeMuro?

  What year was this?

• 19:48Speaker 04

  This was, uh, this would have been two thousand twelve, eleven, twelve, I think. Uh, so I think that's right, eleven or twelve. That was one. Uh, I also looked at a first gen NSX. Um, that was around, that was about fifteen grand.

• 20:02Speaker 05

  Why'd you, why'd you choose the E thirty nine?

• 20:04Speaker 04

  My parents, my parents were, I showed one, showed them one thing, they're like, absolutely not. You're not driving a sports car to high school.

• 20:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Um, and so that didn't happen. And then I ended up getting the five twenty five I as the first car.

• 20:14Speaker 05

  But what would you, okay, well, answer the question, but what would you have wished?

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, if I could have wished anything at that time. I don't know. I really wanted an E46M3 at that time.

• 20:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  That was like what I I thought that would I thought an E46M3 convertible with the hard top for like winter use would have been pretty cool.

• 20:31Doug DeMuro?

  It's hard to explain how cool that and the S2000 were at that time. Like now they're cool, but like then I remember idolizing those cars and there was a kid that I knew at college who had an E46M3 when it was and this was 2007, eight. I mean, the car was two years old. Um, and he was the coolest dude.

• 20:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 20:48Doug DeMuro?

  Period. It's just straight up the coolest dude there was.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 20:52Doug DeMuro?

  Um, what was your first car?

• 20:53Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 20:53Speaker 05

  Um, I the first car I owned was the Kia Special about $100.

• 20:56Doug DeMuro?

  What was the first car you drove when you were in Madison, Wisconsin as a high school?

• 20:58Speaker 05

  Uh, a 2003 Honda Pilot.

• 21:00Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you drove your parents Honda Pilot. You had to be like, you had to be like, Mom, can I have the keys?

• 21:04Speaker 05

  For a bunch of reasons, but I had a lot of use of the car. There were my, my mom was working in New Hampshire. I lived in Wisconsin.

• 21:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's a long drive, so I'm surprised.

• 21:15Speaker 05

  So she had a car there, but then it was just my stepdad and I. We actually both walked most places.

• 21:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, because she's using the car drive between Wisconsin and New Hampshire. What, um? It's an insane thing.

• 21:28Speaker 05

  I think it was just commuting.

• 21:29Doug DeMuro?

  You had to drive the car to Subway or did you walk to Subway where you work?

• 21:32Speaker 05

  Uh, I sometimes walked, but I did drive the car.

• 21:34Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe was a Subway sandwich artist.

• 21:35Speaker 05

  And then I was a senior sandwich artist.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Senior sandwich artist.

• 21:38Speaker 05

  And then a shift manager, but that's the.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  I was a 17 year old.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  Every Friday, Friday, every Friday night, every Saturday from seven to three and every Sunday from eight to three.

• 21:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you liked, it's incredible that you still know your schedule.

• 21:51Speaker 05

  It was every week for legit, every week for two years.

• 21:55Doug DeMuro?

  All right. You liked cars then. You probably didn't have any outlet for it, you know? You, you, you were like a.

• 22:01Speaker 05

  I think.

• 22:01Doug DeMuro?

  Gate kid growing up in a small town, you know, there's, there's nothing. Just hoping that someday, you know, so, so what, what did you do? What, what cars were you interested?

• 22:11Speaker 05

  I think that I would have most loved to have either like a Saab 93 Sport Combi or Saab 95 Sport Combi or like a V70R.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  I don't know that I would put those words to it, but like when I was browsing Craigslist, it was a lot of Saab's and Bobos.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 22:27Speaker 05

  I just, I'm a too practical a person. I'm not gonna buy something.

• 22:30Doug DeMuro?

  He was browsing Craigslist in high school looking for Saab's and Bobos and his first car was years later in college, he bought a Kia. Even then, he was Felipe.

• 22:36Speaker 05

  I came.

• 22:36Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, he had all that big subway money and he still wasn't spending it.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  He had aspirations of something cool and what he did was he bought a Kia for a car.

• 22:44Doug DeMuro?

  Years later.

• 22:45Speaker 05

  In the middle of college, I spent a summer in Madison after my family had moved, working for the Department of Ed. And I came really close to buying a Saab 900. And then driving it home. I came so close.

• 22:59Speaker 05

  The guy ended up texting me out, like I went and test drove it. He wanted $900 and then something came up. I don't remember.

• 23:05Doug DeMuro?

  He wouldn't spend $900.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  No, no, no. I was ready to. Just something came. I don't remember what it was.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  Ready to.

• 23:10Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna die and regret the things you never did.

• 23:13Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:13Doug DeMuro?

  Which are considerable.

• 23:15Speaker 05

  Not only am I worried about that, I'm 100% confident that that's exactly what will happen.

• 23:19Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Next question. I can't lose that long on that question, but it's a good one. Next question, Trabot44 asks, what is the dumbest car opinion you have ever heard?

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 23:28Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  Uh, let me.

• 23:30Doug DeMuro?

  Are you putting it to me or are you putting it to a producer? Cause one of those is acceptable.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  Oh, our producer has, our producer has some humdingers.

• 23:36Doug DeMuro?

  There are some bad ones, but I've never heard one that makes me be like, that is really dumb. Like, I don't know.

• 23:40Speaker 05

  There's so many that you forget.

• 23:42Doug DeMuro?

  We forget some dumb ones generally.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Uh, our friend Kevin once said that the 355 is the perfect car to EV swap. Now, for reliability, I can see it. However, there are two reasons down in 355. One is the way it looks and the other is the sound it makes. And you're taking away probably the more important of the two.

• 23:59Doug DeMuro?

  You've got speakers.

• 23:59Speaker 05

  Right.

• 24:00Doug DeMuro?

  I don't make the sound most of the time.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  It, it makes it enough.

• 24:03Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. I've never heard any really crazy dumb opinions that I can just remember offhand.

• 24:07Speaker 05

  Right. Right. That I can remember hard. I try to like get them out of my memory.

• 24:12Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Uh, keep thinking on it.

• 24:14Speaker 04

  I'll keep.

• 24:14Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Brandon TRD. Question for all. Will you get your children cheap, cool slash enthusiast cars for their first car? Even if they are not interested in cars? If so, what would you want them to drive? Happy holidays. Happy holidays to you, Brent.

• 24:26Speaker 05

  Uh, happy holidays indeed.

• 24:28Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I don't plan to get, I want my children something safe when they turn 16 because I've seen 16 year old, I got two boys. I've seen 16 year old. Vanish boys drive.

• 24:39Speaker 05

  They want to know forty.

• 24:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we do.

• 24:42Speaker 05

  My answer is that I think that because we're all car people, we'll all be inclined to get something a little bit on the more interesting side, like marginally.

• 24:51Doug DeMuro?

  I just want something safe. If they want to get something interesting, they got to work for it. They pay like I had to. I think they got, I just want to get something safe and boring.

• 24:58Speaker 05

  I can't agree with that. But I think it can be, there is value to it being interesting. They might, are more likely to care about it, more likely to treat it well if they're.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  That was my, that was my case, certainly. And I did take very good care of.

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe you, that's a.

• 25:09Speaker 04

  But that's because it's me. It's, it depends on.

• 25:11Doug DeMuro?

  The guy you sold it to, geez. Look at him.

• 25:14Speaker 05

  I think we're all, Ken and I don't have kids. That kind of knows about.

• 25:19Doug DeMuro?

  That car right now. Pull up the vent.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  Ken and I don't have kids. Doug has two kids, but they're, they're still ways removed from driving age. I think we're not ready for the question.

• 25:28Doug DeMuro?

  We're not ready for the question, but in, in the spirit of the question, I really do think I wouldn't, enthusiast car would not be my top choice. I just want safe, boring, simple.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  I would, I might keep you over the stands. It'll be something a little bit more interesting that they might have some interest in, or that at least you want to see parked in front of your house.

• 25:43Doug DeMuro?

  Like, keep up appearance.

• 25:44Speaker 05

  Like a Corolla hatchback instead of a regular Corolla.

• 25:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I don't, it's, I just, safe.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  You don't care about those cars, yes?

• 25:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, I actually like the Corolla hatchback a lot. And when I see him, I think to myself, that would be a great rally car. And then they made the junior Corolla. You see a Corolla hatch on the road, it's like wide.

• 25:59Speaker 05

  It is, looks good.

• 26:00Doug DeMuro?

  Four wheel drive.

• 26:01Speaker 05

  Shout out to Julian Tristan.

• 26:03Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next question from Danger D. This is a great one, and I think it's for us.

• 26:08Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 26:08Doug DeMuro?

  Considering how hesitant Filippo is to make a decision, see the three car garage video. How is he able to manage an organization like Cars and Big?

• 26:18Speaker 04

  That's a great one. That really.

• 26:21Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, it's, it's, there's a lot of new, like, did I, did I ask this? Did I?

• 26:29Doug DeMuro?

  Did I come up with a burner account and ask this question?

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Felipe, because other people have opinions and Felipe then weighs them. And that's how he like, well.

• 26:39Speaker 05

  People have opinions about what I should buy.

• 26:41Doug DeMuro?

  He's like the president.

• 26:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, but like this is.

• 26:43Doug DeMuro?

  Make the decisions. He consults all the advisors and then kind of like.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  Based on how things are going.

• 26:48Doug DeMuro?

  Long cost benefit analysis and then he eventually decides in some manner that sort of placates all of them a little bit and isn't really.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  As a, as I wouldn't call us a startup so much anymore, but as a nimble company, it's like often decisions happen quickly. But with Felipe, we're doing all this, there's room to take time and really think about it.

• 27:07Doug DeMuro?

  You know.

• 27:08Speaker 04

  He's got time.

• 27:09Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I think that the problem with the car, the difference between the two is at Cars and Bids, he can make a decision and sort of make a, let's try this. Let's do, a car isn't all or nothing. You buy it or you don't.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  That's what it is. It's that the business has to make money. And that's what he wants to is make, business, make the business make money. With him, again, the car thing he's hung up on is spending money. He just, he can't handle.

• 27:29Doug DeMuro?

  He has trouble spending money.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  But you can make money by being more efficient through operations.

• 27:33Speaker 05

  Very funny how wrong you are about this.

• 27:34Doug DeMuro?

  We're wrong about this?

• 27:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. The, the big difference, because I actually do not have nearly that much trouble making a decision like what house to buy. We, we, we've bought and sold houses way easier. The issue is that purchasing a car is all about my own enjoyment. And, and I don't.

• 27:49Doug DeMuro?

  Trouble doing something for his own enjoyment.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  I, I weigh that very differently than like a business decision or something that's like a clear pragmatic decision way, way easier than.

• 27:58Doug DeMuro?

  That's the difference. It's pragmatic versus fun. He doesn't do fun.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  Right. That, that is a much more.

• 28:04Doug DeMuro?

  Not sure if that's better than what.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  No, no, no. It's not better. It's not better. And it's also being brutally honest about my, this is a good therapy session here.

• 28:12Doug DeMuro?

  Into some fully posted.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, except for like, we got you to spend money on tennis shoes and a tennis racket.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, I bought a pair of tennis shoes.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  I know, but that's like, that was more money you've ever spent on a pair of shoes in your life. And the racket was expensive.

• 28:24Speaker 05

  So true.

• 28:24Doug DeMuro?

  What are those shoes caught?

• 28:26Speaker 05

  Seventy dollars.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  The same shoes you wear.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  I don't know. You, you bought them last week.

• 28:29Doug DeMuro?

  I know, but I didn't have a choice. It was just like, I'll buy these, whatever they cost, they're, they're inelastic.

• 28:33Speaker 05

  I think seventy or eighty dollars.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  They price of tennis shoes in elastic.

• 28:37Doug DeMuro?

  It's for me, it's inelastic. These shoes make me a superhero. I need them.

• 28:42Speaker 05

  Do they light up?

• 28:42Doug DeMuro?

  They could charge ten thousand dollars and I'd still buy them.

• 28:46Speaker 05

  Thankfully they charge seventy or eighty.

• 28:47Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Next question from Pirate Boy. That, you've answered the question, Felipe, in a great way, and I appreciate that. Felipe does not spend money on joy.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's that is the summarization of it.

• 28:58Doug DeMuro?

  Pirate Boy says, without you discontinuing the A5, S5, RS5 coupes in 25.

• 29:02Speaker 05

  Sort of.

• 29:03Doug DeMuro?

  The Volkswagen Group will no.

• 29:05Speaker 05

  What do you mean sort of?

• 29:05Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah.

• 29:06Speaker 05

  They're still doing the hatchbacks.

• 29:08Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 29:08Speaker 05

  That's the point.

• 29:09Doug DeMuro?

  The coupes, he said the coupes.

• 29:10Speaker 05

  Well, BMW calls them coupes.

• 29:12Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. VW Group will no longer produce any two-door coupes in the United States. German coupes are becoming less desirable to enthusiasts, less common every day. Do you think there will be a price increase for well-maintained, used German coupes and sedans following this trend in the coming years? I have to say, I think the answer is probably no, because I think that the reason these cars are being discontinued is because demand is drying up. And so my view is like, there's just less buyers for them on the new market. There's probably going to be fewer buyers for them on the new, on the used market, too.

• 29:37Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 29:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, really nice, well-maintained RS5 is going to do well, RS5 V8, S5 V8 with a stick. But I think that was always going to be true.

• 29:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, I agree.

• 29:45Doug DeMuro?

  Even if they had continued making them.

• 29:46Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 29:47Doug DeMuro?

  Just because those were desirable cars, V8 power manual transmissions.

• 29:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:50Doug DeMuro?

  The case of the S5.

• 29:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. There's no market for them. Honda's coming out with a, a new Prelude.

• 29:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 05

  That, but it's a Civic coupe, which exists.

• 30:00Doug DeMuro?

  But it's like, it's gonna be a hybrid.

• 30:02Speaker 05

  Right. It's like, I, and sure, Mercedes still sells the CLE, whatever the, it's called.

• 30:07Doug DeMuro?

  Prelude.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  I know, I know, I know.

• 30:09Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  Some words he's only seen written. English is not his first language. That, that is one of those words you see written. I'm not watching videos about preludes. It's one of those words you see written. Yeah, on the wall. Yeah, it's just. There's no real market.

• 30:26Doug DeMuro?

  You know, military? That's one of those words you hear spoken. Prelude?

• 30:31Speaker 05

  I also don't, I'm not convinced I'm wrong. Oh, my God.

• 30:35Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, you know, people aren't saying prelude a lot.

• 30:40Speaker 05

  That is why I reacted the way. That's why it hit all of our ears the same way.

• 30:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Thing is, they're coming out with a coupe, it's surprising.

• 30:47Speaker 05

  But who's the market?

• 30:48Doug DeMuro?

  The coupe thing is dead. When I was a kid, a child, mind you.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  The baby toddler.

• 30:53Doug DeMuro?

  There were coupes of every, people watch this on, for the first, celebrate the holidays.

• 31:00Speaker 05

  He's over here saying prelude.

• 31:02Doug DeMuro?

  There were coupes of everything, all right? The Toyota Echo had a coupe.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  Toyota Echo was exclusively a coupe.

• 31:09Doug DeMuro?

  There was a four-door. And in Canada, there was a hatchet. Yep. Um. The Vits. And, and there were coupes of everything. The Chevy Cavalier had a coupe, the Pontiac Sunburner. I mean, it was like, if you had a car, you had a coupe. Remember Hyundai came out with a Lastra coupe at the tail end of that, like thinking that they could do it still. Um, and now it's just all, people get to say, I was told by someone in product planning high up in a car company once, that part of the problem is that people, it used to be that to get a coupe was the only way you could get kind of a sporty feeling car. Now you can buy any crossover and have about the same level of performance that all those coupes used to have without sacrificing anything.

• 31:41Speaker 04

  I think Mercedes Benz was the one who really changed that with the CLS to prove that you could have coupe-like styling, which was more beautiful, but you could have four doors.

• 31:47Doug DeMuro?

  And then.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  And then.

• 31:48Doug DeMuro?

  W came out with the X6 and may give you a coupe out of an SUV. Yeah.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  Boom.

• 31:55Doug DeMuro?

  I just think the market shifted for whatever reason. Maybe it'll shift back someday, but it's probably.

• 31:58Speaker 04

  Well, I'm.

• 31:59Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think there's going to be a huge, specifically huge market just because these cars were discontinued. I think that the special ones will have value, but not because they went out of.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  The market shifts all the time. Do you think the Hup mobile, big car, then we got the IZET, and then, you know, the big American boats, and then one, but it just like, there's always this like.

• 32:17Doug DeMuro?

  I do think that the shift to SUVs is permanent in the sense that it's not like a simple market shift. It's, it, it, someday that too will be disrupted, but we're talking about like. Yeah. A generation.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Generation. Yeah, absolutely.

• 32:28Doug DeMuro?

  Not laxually permanent, but like near as makes no difference in terms of what the automakers are doing and what happens to the used values of this stuff. Uh, next question, this one's deeply from Filippo, for Filippo, from J N Moen. What are your thoughts on the Fiat 500E zero down, zero dollars a month lease?

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Great deal.

• 32:47Doug DeMuro?

  So it was announced, you want to tell the story?

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, of course.

• 32:49Doug DeMuro?

  You know it.

• 32:49Speaker 05

  In Colorado, uh, because Colorado has some additional state incentives, you can lease a 500E for $0. And literally all you're paying is tax because there is tax on the, on the lease, and that is literally all you're paying. Uh, and it seems like a great deal.

• 33:03Doug DeMuro?

  Explain this to me.

• 33:04Speaker 05

  Explain.

• 33:04Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't understand it at the time.

• 33:06Speaker 05

  I just did.

• 33:07Doug DeMuro?

  Why are you paying tax if you're paying, if your payment is zero?

• 33:11Speaker 05

  The way that tax on a lease is assessed is not based on your actual payment amount, it's based on the value of the car that's then number times across.

• 33:19Doug DeMuro?

  Regardless, so Colorado has this, there's a dealer in Colorado, not the whole state, not.

• 33:23Speaker 05

  No, but they're like available.

• 33:24Doug DeMuro?

  That's advertising a zero down, $0 a month lease on a Fiat 500.

• 33:28Speaker 05

  Or effectively that, plus taxes.

• 33:29Doug DeMuro?

  Free car.

• 33:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, free, free car.

• 33:31Doug DeMuro?

  And someone's asking, what is our thought?

• 33:32Speaker 05

  Do it. If you have the, Colorado's tax incentives have meant that there are weird cases with this because this federal tax.

• 33:39Doug DeMuro?

  My buddy Joe is leasing a Nissan LEAF for, what is it, 39?

• 33:43Speaker 05

  I know. And then he texted me the other day and said, should I do the 500E? And I said, Joe, just keep the lease. Like, come on.

• 33:50Doug DeMuro?

  Colorado has all these incentives to get people to go EV. The person saying this said, I just picked one up and I'm incredibly surprised how fun this is. You know, I gotta say, the Fiat 500E has not been well received. It is not selling well. I had one as a press car. If you're like, here's the case for it. You're an old lady who's like, kids are gone. You have a little dog. You drive to the store.

• 34:07Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 34:08Doug DeMuro?

  It's a cute little fun car.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  It's a good, free, it's a good car that's not worth the $40,000 that it costs.

• 34:13Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 34:13Speaker 05

  But it is worth $0 down.

• 34:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's worth free.

• 34:18Speaker 05

  It's worth tax. If we lived in Colorado, at the moment, my driver would have a Leaf EV and a Fiat 500EV and maybe whatever other ones you can get for 20 bucks.

• 34:26Doug DeMuro?

  At this number, it's like when the, when the press car company texted me the other day or emailed me and said, hey, we got a Kia K4 for you. Do you want it? I just say yes to all of them. You would just do this, right?

• 34:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, without a single doubt. Why not?

• 34:36Doug DeMuro?

  Even if you don't need it, it's like, it's free. So.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  Why not?

• 34:39Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you know, even if we need it just to like, drive up the street when it's snowing one day, they get to get.

• 34:44Speaker 05

  Right. Like malted milk balls.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  Like you said, at some, like you said a couple of weeks ago, at some point.

• 34:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  Car's value becomes so low, it becomes attractive. Turns out it's free.

• 34:53Doug DeMuro?

  For some cars, it's free. I do, I was, I thought, I think differently than a lot of the masses do about the Fiat 500E. I actually kind of thought.

• 35:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. It was just, so it's overpriced.

• 35:01Doug DeMuro?

  It's just.

• 35:03Speaker 04

  What Christmas song does it play?

• 35:04Doug DeMuro?

  Jingle bells when you turn around.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  Right. So now is the season to go buy or lease a 500E.

• 35:09Doug DeMuro?

  That is so true.

• 35:09Speaker 04

  Nice. Well said. Thank you.

• 35:10Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Next question from M. Delatorre. How did your relationship with Farah start? I watched your Smoking Tire podcast episode this week and then he says, I don't like Farah, but how do you like it? Well, all right. Farah.

• 35:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:24Doug DeMuro?

  Is like a New York guy.

• 35:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:27Doug DeMuro?

  And so he's very abrupt with his opinions, like New York people are. Like, if you go to New York, people have no problem, like, just kind of yelling on the street at people they just met, getting into arguments. Like, it's like, common how people, that's true in Long Island, it's true in North Jersey, it's true in that whole area. Connecticut is more genteel.

• 35:45Speaker 05

  A little bit.

• 35:45Doug DeMuro?

  But, and so you just kind of have to go in with that knowledge. And also, I think that the simple truth is that, like, there's only 20 of us who do this, right? Like, YouTube car content creating. And we all share, like, a very significant bond. And I think that, no matter how a person, I like Farah personally, very much, I think he's great. But even if he wasn't, like, you sit with some of these people, some of the other YouTube content car creators I don't like as much, you still, like, you have so much in common that, like, you're always gonna want to chat with them and be, like, friendly with them and have a lot to discuss with them. How did the relationship start? Here's a story.

• 36:25Speaker 05

  Please.

• 36:26Doug DeMuro?

  First time I ever met Matt Farah. Summer of 2013.

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Ah, 12 years.

• 36:31Doug DeMuro?

  I was driving across the country in my Cadillac CTS-V wagon. And we happened to be at the Peterson Museum for some event. And then afterwards, Farah was hosting all the Jalopnik writers for a podcast at his house, which at the time was near the airport. And I went there to the event and then the house podcast thing. And I was on with all the other Jalopnik guys. I did, like, occasional guest columns on Jalopnik, but they were pretty popular. And so I was there with, I don't remember who, Travis Okolski was one of them, I don't remember the other guys who were there. But I bet the episode is still around, you can go see it. That was the first time I met him, it was 11 years ago. And at the time, Farah, by the way...

• 37:15Doug DeMuro?

  Was always tremendously nice to me when I was starting out. He recognized early that I was a good writer, which was, I was like a gifted funny writer. He would comment very positive things on my articles, which is really nice because young people starting out to hear from a guy like Matt, hey, this is cool. That's a big deal. And, um, and so then I went on the pod and he was like very nice on the pod, like making sure to include me, even though I was in this room of guys who had done this before. I was really anxious and that's how my relationship with Farah started. And over the years, my stature stature in this business has grown, but like I've always had huge respect for Farah for treating me that way at the beginning. And he's always been really great to me, even when, you know, my started creating more YouTube videos and more, we have our own podcasts and all that, like he could be like

• 37:58Doug DeMuro?

  this jerk's doing my stuff, but he's always been just like, there's room for everybody. Come on in and that's always been great.

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• 38:34Speaker 01

  It's getting chilly outside, but you know what that means?

• 38:40Speaker 01

  It's time to cozy up with Panera Bread. Let's get toasty, cheesy. Oh, hello broccoli cheddar soup in a bread bowl. How about melty? Okay, Chipotle chicken avo melt. It's dipping bread and soupy goodness season. Oh yeah, we are so back. It's Panera season. Order now.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, Farah is the, personally, I've always watched him since the garage 419 days with the mutton chops and everything. And it's like him evolve as a person and as a presenter over time and his right. He's just a wonderful writer.

• 39:16Doug DeMuro?

  He's a good writer. Every time I go there, I am hit by the fact that he is like more and more emotionally mature, sometimes in ways that I wish that I wasn't. He's older than me and I think he's seen more stuff than me, but he comes to conclusions like two years before me.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 39:32Doug DeMuro?

  Like, I remember with West Side Collective Car Stores, why'd you call it West Side? You can't expand all over the world. He goes, I don't need to expand all over the world. I'm just happy with a couple of locations that make money. And now that's how I feel. But like, at the time, I was in my, I want to expand all over the world phase. And that's the kind of thing that he, he comes up with.

• 39:48Speaker 04

  And this, this podcast originally was a live show that we did with Cars and Biz. He was the very first person.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  First guest. We love Matt.

• 39:54Speaker 04

  And I, yeah, I have such admiration for him too.

• 39:57Doug DeMuro?

  He is also, I do admire someone who says stuff as openly, honestly, and abruptly as he does.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  Absolutely. It's refreshing, honestly. It really is.

• 40:07Doug DeMuro?

  And that, I think that turns people off.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Right. I actually share a lot of his opinions. Maybe that's why I like him so much, but the one takes, that format also, the one take format was brilliant. But yeah, he, and Zach too.

• 40:18Doug DeMuro?

  People also don't love, because he gets political and we don't ever. No, I mean, Filippo sometimes will.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  I know where, I know where Filippo was on January 6th.

• 40:26Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. He would, you know what he was doing? He was calling the FBI, naming names.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  He was with Emily's dad.

• 40:36Doug DeMuro?

  He was crying about how Bernie Sanders didn't make it. Um, I don't know. Anyway, the point is, love Matt. I actually really do love Matt and I think he's really great. And I think the people who don't love him, I think that the harshness of his, of his personality can sometimes get to people. I think the politics gets to people. I think generally though, he's a, he's a really good, really good guy.

• 40:54Speaker 05

  Let's move ahead. I try to try the podcasts that I listen to most consistently.

• 40:57Doug DeMuro?

  And it's a, it's a really excellent song.

• 40:59Speaker 05

  NPR podcasts.

• 41:00Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from BW Smith, the NPR podcast. See, I told you, he's crying about Bernie Sanders.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  Wait, wait, don't tell me, it's a great program.

• 41:07Doug DeMuro?

  BW Smith says, if you could resurrect a dead car brand and run it yourself, what would it be? And what would the lineup consist of? Filippo, tell us about Saab.

• 41:16Speaker 05

  I would restart the car company Autobianchi, which was an Italian car brand that made two atrocious cars. Um, and I would recreate those cars.

• 41:28Doug DeMuro?

  No, I don't know. Um, uh, I gotta think more about this. Hey, Ken, I got one for you.

• 41:33Speaker 05

  The, the, the A112, please.

• 41:34Doug DeMuro?

  I got one for you.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  You want the A112?

• 41:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 41:36Speaker 05

  I would resurrect BMW L.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 41:40Doug DeMuro?

  My box.

• 41:41Speaker 05

  And then, and then pull up the Autobianchi Y10, please.

• 41:45Doug DeMuro?

  This is just, we're really in the weeds on

• 41:48Speaker 05

  The Y10 was for sale for a long time. I had a friend whose mom owned one.

• 41:52Doug DeMuro?

  God, I hope we can edit all this out.

• 41:54Speaker 05

  They're such deeply mediocre automobiles. Small city cars is what I would actually want to create. I want to create very practical, efficient, affordable, safe, small city cars.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  I'll tell you, I'd bring it back.

• 42:06Speaker 05

  Yep, alright.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Duesenberg.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  I think, no, something like that would be cool.

• 42:12Doug DeMuro?

  It's over here. I want to make little city cars for the people to go.

• 42:15Speaker 05

  Duesenberg, run your city cars off the road. Better version of a Fiat Panda, like what the Fiat Panda could have become.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  Actually, to think about Duesenberg as an EV brand with like big, opulent, luxurious items would be pretty cool.

• 42:27Speaker 05

  Congratulations, welcome to Rolls Royce Bentley, the new Jaguar, or many other brands.

• 42:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but he's gonna do it different, man. He's gonna have big old chrome.

• 42:34Speaker 05

  Right, it won't be woke like Jaguars.

• 42:36Doug DeMuro?

  Whoa, go woke, go broke. Duesenberg ain't gonna be woke.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  Those Titans of industry, those things.

• 42:43Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna still make advertisements aimed only at men like they used to do back in the day. Remember, it was, what was the car company's slogan? It was Ask the Man Who Owns One. It's like Hudson.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I know.

• 42:53Doug DeMuro?

  Packard, unbelievable. But it was literally Ask the Man Who Owns One. Duesenberg would be cool to resurrect. A small city car company would be very Philippian to resurrect. Um, I don't really know. I think the dead ones deserve to die. I always felt Pontiac could have done better if it had been run better and had its own budget, but it never would.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Never would.

• 43:12Doug DeMuro?

  What about Plymouth? And GM doesn't need more brands. Plymouth was a disaster and never needed to be where it was. I would actually prefer to kill a bunch of brands.

• 43:19Speaker 05

  What about AMC?

• 43:20Doug DeMuro?

  AMC? Well, AMC wasn't a brand. It was a brand, it was an automaker. Jeep, Jeep's AMC. All that trickled down, man. Renault, Renault was there.

• 43:30Speaker 05

  Renault's still there.

• 43:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but AMC and Renault did some stuff in Wisconsin, your hometown.

• 43:35Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 43:35Doug DeMuro?

  Wisconsin is that a state or a city? No, I'm kidding. I know that. Nobody else in California does, but I do.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  That is so accurate.

• 43:41Doug DeMuro?

  Which one of it, which is it? Is that the same as Iowa?

• 43:45Speaker 04

  My friend Kevin, who is from here, once asked if Idaho and Ohio were next to one another. It's like, well, they are, except for the states in between.

• 43:51Doug DeMuro?

  The coastal elites have trouble with the fact that Idaho, Iowa, and Ohio all exist. Now, as someone who's obviously been to all those places, spent time in all those places, they're so vastly different that it's hard. It's like California, New York, but the elites only know California, New York. Idaho, Iowa, Ohio, they're like, mind blown.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  I think it should be mandatory that everybody like drives across the country, like just sees how big it is and sees the differences between all these little states. Other than there, I think, but not so little, I guess, but just the states.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  Can they skip Nebraska?

• 44:22Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's part of the point. And by the way, Omaha and Lincoln are not bad.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, Omaha rules. I like Omaha a lot.

• 44:28Speaker 05

  Have you driven through Nebraska?

• 44:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, a lot of it's tough.

• 44:33Doug DeMuro?

  I think even Nebraskans would agree. Okay, next, I don't know how we got on the dead car brand thing. What dead car brand would I resurrect? I don't know. I really, truly don't know. I can't think of any that I want to bring back.

• 44:42Speaker 05

  About pre-merger MG?

• 44:43Doug DeMuro?

  No, I like post-merger MG. I like how the market has evolved, to be perfectly honest. You think of one, you tell me. Okay, next question from Alec, just Alec, probably got that in Saturn, June of 20. I don't want to bring Saturn back.

• 44:57Speaker 05

  Body panels?

• 44:58Doug DeMuro?

  I don't want Saturn to come back. They died for a really good reason. Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  This is out of Marauder.

• 45:05Doug DeMuro?

  That does not need to come back either.

• 45:09Doug DeMuro?

  I was exploiting Gandini in his low period. Okay, from Alec, what is the quirkiest car accessory that is offered by an OEM? Or what are your all time favorite accessories?

• 45:17Speaker 04

  Oh, there's so many good ones.

• 45:18Doug DeMuro?

  He says like the gun safe thing for the Sequoia. I can't think, I don't know.

• 45:24Speaker 05

  The Fiat 500L.

• 45:26Doug DeMuro?

  The Aztec 10.

• 45:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, Fiat 500L had a coffee maker that fit in a cup holder. And that's pretty good.

• 45:32Doug DeMuro?

  It had a coffee maker? Pull this up.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  Wait, you said-

• 45:35Speaker 05

  The Fiat 500L coffee maker. It may have been-

• 45:38Doug DeMuro?

  You know what it is? The iPod and the 430 scoot.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, the second generation iPod Touch and the 430 scoot.

• 45:43Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god, this is unbelievable.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  The 16M actually, but-

• 45:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the 16M.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  I'll pull that up in a second.

• 45:47Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, we gotta get one of these.

• 45:49Speaker 05

  I know, we really do.

• 45:50Doug DeMuro?

  Water bottle? It has the 500 logo on it.

• 45:52Speaker 05

  I know, it's so cool. Why, why, why haven't I gone on eBay and found? Well, for the pressure, for the espresso.

• 45:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:57Speaker 05

  Why, why haven't I gone on eBay and found one of these? I know, I know what I'm doing later.

• 46:01Doug DeMuro?

  That is a really good one.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  Also, because surely it fits in any 500 cup holder or any cup holder at all.

• 46:06Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the 430 scoot iPod.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  It's the 16M.

• 46:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the 16M, I'm sorry, yes, it was a convertible.

• 46:11Speaker 04

  Yes, uh, yeah, so if you bought a 16M back in period, they came with a second generation iPod Touch. With Ferrari stuff loaded on it. Like, they changed the background of the prancing horse and it had like-

• 46:22Doug DeMuro?

  Where the market was going, they just didn't adapt correctly.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  And you can tell, not an iPhone, because you have music, videos, photos, and I think the browser. But that's it.

• 46:31Doug DeMuro?

  They knew people would be using their iPhones to control in-car. They just didn't realize that you wouldn't actually stick the thing in the middle and be looking at it while tilting your head.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  Right, right. So many of these I've seen just deleted altogether, which is not a surprise, but man, I would, if I saw, I mean, you don't see 16Ms often, but I'm looking for that iPod Touch every time I see one.

• 46:49Doug DeMuro?

  The correct answer to this, of course, is the-

• 46:52Speaker 04

  That's like 10?

• 46:53Doug DeMuro?

  No, the F50 shoes.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  Oh, the F50 shoes, yeah.

• 46:56Doug DeMuro?

  I spend not a zero amount of time on eBay looking for F50 shoes, and I would pay real money.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  They don't-

• 47:00Doug DeMuro?

  Real money, they don't-

• 47:01Speaker 04

  They must never come up with Tod's.

• 47:03Speaker 05

  Would you want it to be your size?

• 47:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  That one has an F50.

• 47:06Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, there's my actual-

• 47:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's your post of it.

• 47:09Doug DeMuro?

  So, so they sell a replica, this, this is on eBay right now, and they sell a replica of it. And it has the Ferrari logo on the top, but if you pull back out to an actual F50 pair-

• 47:17Speaker 04

  Doesn't say F50.

• 47:18Doug DeMuro?

  F50 pairs say F50, they don't just have the Ferrari logo. The, the replicas now say, have the Ferrari.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  That's, that's how you know who's a poser.

• 47:26Doug DeMuro?

  Posers have the Ferrari logo, real adults, like Filippo and me.

• 47:29Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 47:30Doug DeMuro?

  We got F50 shoes.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  That we do.

• 47:32Doug DeMuro?

  Now, the, the F50 shoes, driving shoes are delivered with the new F50s, and the F50 actually came with an enormous amount of accessories. And an F50 is considered complete when it has all the accessories, which basically none of them do.

• 47:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, which is the soft top, the hard top with the circus box, all the tools that go with it, the tool roll, the two roll hoops that attach to it, the shoes.

• 47:51Doug DeMuro?

  There was a bunch of-

• 47:51Speaker 04

  There's the flashlight that's in the middle of the car, there's, what else?

• 47:55Doug DeMuro?

  There's a ton, there are books, there's all sorts of books.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, I've, yeah, all the-

• 47:58Doug DeMuro?

  The F50s had a ton of stuff, but the shoes, the shoes are out there with some of the craziest things there are, same amount.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Cover, a 50 cover. It doesn't say, they don't say what it is, just the big horse on the front, little horse in the back, that's all.

• 48:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  It's gotta have all that stuff. Anyway, very.

• 48:13Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, I don't think I would ever be able to find my size. My presumption is they were all kind of smaller. I have 14 size shoes.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  I would assume. How many original owners do you think just kept them or just didn't even care? Never knew?

• 48:24Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Okay. Next question from Langa DMD. When is Filippo actually going to buy a car? I will give you 30 seconds to answer this.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  Ready?

• 48:32Doug DeMuro?

  Go.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  Steady. Go.

• 48:33Speaker 05

  The real answer is that the next time I actually really need a car, I will buy one.

• 48:37Doug DeMuro?

  So what have you been doing to us all this?

• 48:38Speaker 05

  I don't need one. It's been a while.

• 48:40Doug DeMuro?

  He's moved on. He's not even gonna. He's back to his 500 apart.

• 48:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:44Doug DeMuro?

  He doesn't like the fact that we teased him about this.

• 48:46Speaker 05

  No, I don't mind. I think it's very, very acceptable given my behavior. My behavior has begun the teasing and that's, that is what it is.

• 48:53Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Okay. That was easy. Okay. Here's the next, here's another question from M. Delatorre. This is a good one. Hello, gang. If you had the chance to drive any race car on any track, what would you pick? Predictions?

• 49:03Speaker 05

  Well, there are predictions, but let's just answer the question.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  No, I got nothing. So.

• 49:08Doug DeMuro?

  Any race car on any track?

• 49:09Speaker 05

  Any race car on any track?

• 49:11Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't know how to drive it. This is presuming I have the driving skills I currently have. So any race car would just be utterly terrifying.

• 49:19Doug DeMuro?

  Well, maybe. I mean, you could probably go old.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  I, yeah, I, I think.

• 49:24Speaker 05

  Again, that's also utterly terrifying.

• 49:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, manual.

• 49:28Speaker 04

  I think.

• 49:28Doug DeMuro?

  Short wheelbase or?

• 49:30Speaker 04

  Probably Niki Lauda's 312 T2, I think would be the one that he drove in 1976. I think that would be, I'll pull it up so you can see it. Um, I think that would probably be the one I'd want to drive. I just think those car, I just love that car. It's so cool. And you know, like to drive one of Senna's cars would be amazing, but they're 800 horsepower. Don't weigh any. It's like, I don't have the skills to control. This was about 400 horsepower, a little bit more, I think.

• 50:00Doug DeMuro?

  You think you could drive this thing?

• 50:02Speaker 04

  It's manual. I think, I think I could, I could, I'm gonna drive it quickly, but just to like experience like a Ferrari Formula One car, that would be like tenable. I think I could handle that. Like the Schumacher era stuff, like it has to be so precise, the tires, that's, you would never be able to keep temperature in anything.

• 50:18Doug DeMuro?

  There's some video on YouTube where some.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Richard Hammond drove, uh, yeah, Fernando Alonso's Renault.

• 50:24Doug DeMuro?

  And like can't keep it moving.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  Well, I have been in a for modern Formula One car. I've sat in one and tried to press the brake pedal. Even you just a mere a normal human can't like it just requires so much pressure to activate the brake pedal like but this was a little bit more conventional and that's that car was iconic and it's always been one I've been like fascinated I'd love to know what it's like.

• 50:46Doug DeMuro?

  Well, okay, if I'm picking that 70s boring car, my answer is the McLaren F1 GT-R. Ooh, could have had it, but you didn't.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that's true.

• 50:55Doug DeMuro?

  Ferrari F50 GT1. Could have had it, but you didn't. Flip was opening his computer to figure out what a race car is. He's like, I don't know.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  That's the GT1, isn't that sequential manual, not actual.

• 51:04Doug DeMuro?

  No way, you think they developed a sequential manual for the two F50 GT1s that exist? You had your mind.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  I believe they did because wasn't doesn't the 333, which is there the same drivetrain also?

• 51:13Doug DeMuro?

  You're crazy, pull up the interior, come on. We're on a tangent here. Flip was just doing work.

• 51:18Speaker 05

  No, I don't know.

• 51:19Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, are you right?

• 51:21Speaker 04

  I believe I.

• 51:21Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a crash box.

• 51:24Doug DeMuro?

  A crash box? No one knows what that means.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  Uh, I'm pretty confident that is.

• 51:28Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, what's the answer to this?

• 51:29Speaker 05

  He doesn't know, he's clueless.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm pretty confident that's.

• 51:32Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, fine.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  That's not, yeah.

• 51:33Doug DeMuro?

  That doesn't change my answer. Imagine screaming around in an F50 GT1.

• 51:37Speaker 04

  It would, that would be cool. F1 GT-R is a good call.

• 51:41Doug DeMuro?

  F1 GT-R.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  But I, you know, yeah. Say yours says F1 and mine is an F1 car. That's the difference there.

• 51:48Doug DeMuro?

  But yeah, but I won Le Mans.

• 51:50Speaker 04

  Yes, won a world championship in 1977, but it won.

• 51:53Doug DeMuro?

  I won Le Mans, the whole thing. Ueno Clinic.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Ueno Clinic.

• 52:01Doug DeMuro?

  What's your?

• 52:01Speaker 05

  All right, 10 to 15 years ago, there was a, there was a revival of of spec series racing and and and Honda sold a Honda Fit for for.

• 52:10Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 52:11Speaker 05

  There was a Mazda 2, that was the same thing.

• 52:14Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 52:14Speaker 05

  And, you know, choose the track of your choice. Monza, Spa, I don't know, something like that. And yeah, and bring and bring a B spec Honda Fit.

• 52:22Doug DeMuro?

  Here's what the guy says. Kenan, here's what the guy says. Kenan, easy.

• 52:25Speaker 05

  Look at that.

• 52:25Doug DeMuro?

  Why, look at that. Ken, what was your track?

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Oh, if I were to pick, uh, for that car.

• 52:30Doug DeMuro?

  That car.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  I mean, well, Spa would probably be, I mean, Spa is just so fast. Like, that's my favorite racetrack.

• 52:38Speaker 05

  Not in the fit, it's not.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  Probably Spa, we'll say Spa.

• 52:41Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, this is the guy's prediction.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 52:43Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan, Ferrari F1 car at Monaco or Monza?

• 52:46Speaker 04

  The Italian thing.

• 52:47Doug DeMuro?

  Monaco would be cool.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  No, Monaco is way too technical. I'd be so afraid.

• 52:50Doug DeMuro?

  Doug, a little harder GT40 around Daytona or an F1 G chart at Le Mans. I picked up a G chart at Le Mans. I actually didn't see that he wrote that. And listen to this. Filippo not sure if he can name a race car. Indeed, he cannot. A 500A barstex.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  Well done.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  That is incredible. I just want to just drive home the point. Okay, there's my car. Here's Doug's car. There's Felipe.

• 53:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Doesn't that just say everything about us?

• 53:19Speaker 05

  I support all of this.

• 53:21Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Mighty Must. Hey, guys, if you could be the CEO of an automaker, which one would it be? And what would you change?

• 53:29Speaker 05

  Boy, Porsche because it'd be easy.

• 53:32Speaker 04

  Would it?

• 53:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, Tycon doing well.

• 53:36Doug DeMuro?

  But all the other automakers are in really bad shape.

• 53:39Speaker 05

  You wouldn't want to choose an automaker that is so entrenched in its ways that you can't change anything. Or you can't make it better, like Nissan, for example.

• 53:50Speaker 05

  Or even like Toyota Honda. Honda, like they're interesting, but they have such a culture around them and a way that they work. That I don't think it's interesting. You want someone that you can like actually have an impact over. Let's check.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Well.

• 54:00Speaker 05

  No, I'm joking.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, the entrenchment thing is one thing. It's like, it would be great to be CEO of Ferrari and make them develop a manual transmission car. But they're so entrenched, there's no way that they would do that. I don't think. They haven't yet.

• 54:14Doug DeMuro?

  Cool. I agree. And I thought about that, but like.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  They're also doing well.

• 54:17Doug DeMuro?

  Other stuff, you CEO does more than just make Ferrari make it. Other stuff would not be tremendously exciting, I think, running for it. Maybe it would, maybe to be the running Ferrari, that would be.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  I think running, oh yeah, the prestige of that brand. And then you get to oversee the F1 team and Classic K and you get to do all this stuff. I mean, and you could like, that would be an initiative. I'd build that out more in support for the older cars. And then for the newer stuff, you know, continue to develop something. Then you got the racing. I mean, that would be. I mean, and Ferrari is my, I think, but I'm not Italian. So like that'll never happen, obviously.

• 54:45Speaker 05

  Right. It'd be hard to have a CEO named Kenan Rolson.

• 54:47Speaker 04

  I know. I mean, hey, Ferrari, North America, John Elkin, my man, you know?

• 54:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but he's in North America. That's the point.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  I know. Exactly. I would be relegated to the US.

• 54:55Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. I think running a car company would be really hard, especially right now. I think there's some crazy political stuff. There's crazy propulsion and.

• 55:02Speaker 05

  It's fun if it's not hard.

• 55:04Doug DeMuro?

  It would be fun for a lot of people, maybe perhaps for you. I don't think it would be fun in my life situation.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Joy.

• 55:09Doug DeMuro?

  I don't get joy from. That grind.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  I think there would be legitimate joy from a manufacturer that is growing in some way, but struggling in others, which is maybe every manufacturer, but like somebody like Lucid, where they have great engineering, great product, but have not broken through. I think there's something fun there. I think even a manufacturer like Hyundai or Kia, where they have great, great momentum. And it's a question like, how do you maintain that?

• 55:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  I think that's interesting.

• 55:35Doug DeMuro?

  That would, yeah, it'd be fun to be a winner, in other words.

• 55:37Speaker 05

  No, but.

• 55:38Doug DeMuro?

  Run a winner.

• 55:40Speaker 05

  Ferrari, Porsche.

• 55:41Doug DeMuro?

  Which Porsche could you have as a secretariat?

• 55:43Speaker 05

  No, but with, with challenge, yeah. With like some ability to actually impact direction.

• 55:48Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. I think it would be cool. And I think a lot of the company, it would be cool to just sit in that seat for a while and see all the stuff that goes on. It would be hard.

• 55:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:58Doug DeMuro?

  It'd be really hard. Those people who run that thing, those people who run those companies kind of make it look easy in the sense that their PR teams put them in situations where they're like shaking hands with schoolchildren.

• 56:07Speaker 05

  Or setting a top speed record.

• 56:08Doug DeMuro?

  Or setting a top speed record and it ain't easy. Okay, next question from Canadell 1974. This is a great question that I'm glad somebody asks. I think about it all the time. Be honest, do you think that since acquiring your Carrera GT that your popularity has diminished somewhat? Years ago, you had appealing virtue to be very relatable. Yes. So let me tell you a story. When I bought the Carrera GT, I put up the video about buying the Carrera GT and that video was beloved.

• 56:31Speaker 05

  Did well.

• 56:32Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely beloved. Every, I got, was getting messages and emails from people who I had no idea even watched the channel, who are very high profile. I can't believe this. This is congratulations, you know?

• 56:43Doug DeMuro?

  And the day that was all happening, it was hitting me like, this is going to go the, exactly the other direction. Like I could tell this is, this is going to swing the exact other way. And it did. And I think what happens is that everybody loves you on your way up, you know? And when you actually get there, they've been cheering for you the whole time. And then it's like, now you're the rich guy who has, people are, get a little pissed, honestly, that like you've actually achieved what you set out to do. And I think there's some anger that, hey, you had a business. Like that you were just a guy reviewing cars. Well, actually, it's always been a business. I don't know if you were paying attention. And I have found that. And to be honest, I knew it.

• 57:27Doug DeMuro?

  But I wasn't not going to get the car and I wasn't not going to sell the business and I wasn't not going to start the business. And I actually think that that is one of the things that has kept some of my fellow creators from trying to expand even more into more businesses and into more, just a better financial situation because they know that their audience will turn on them.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 57:46Doug DeMuro?

  And I wouldn't say my audience turned on me, but there's a large portion of people now who just are like, anytime, anytime I make any opinion comment on YouTube, on any one of these shorts go up, the comments always are Doug is out of touch now. And it's like, sometimes it's insane. I got one the other day. One guy criticized me for not liking the T50 because I'm rich now and out of touch. And it's like,

• 58:08Speaker 04

  You kind of have to be there.

• 58:09Doug DeMuro?

  Wait a minute. It doesn't matter what the opinion is. But that has definitely happened. And, and I don't really blame people. People like the underdog, you know? People like, people like the story of Doug in his shorts reviewing cars up against Motor Trend, which was how it was when I started. And when it becomes Doug achieved the dream and got the Carrera GT, I always assumed that the people would be there and be like, we were here with you on this journey. We were happy for you. But instead it sort of started to become like, you are, and the funny thing is I haven't changed. Like I'm still wearing the shorts. I still poke around the cars, do the same thing. The videos are largely the same pre and post. Like I think most people wouldn't be able to tell any difference.

• 58:52Doug DeMuro?

  But people know now. And so regardless of how I behave, they, there will always be an attribution to like, he is this, this thing. He is rich. He is, you know, and then all these ways to try to be like, well, he only did it because he had whatever they want, whatever they want to make up. And,

• 59:12Speaker 04

  So do you think that, I mean, you couldn't have, but. There's something to achieving success and piecing out.

• 59:18Doug DeMuro?

  And I'll tell you this, the last year has made me realize and understand why some of these rich people kind of stick together. Like you get into a situation where you're in this thing and it's like, I did this, I achieved this, this is amazing and I want to celebrate with my tribe and the tribe is like not there with you and angry about it. And so who do you turn to? It's like, I talked to Farah, right? I talked to other people who are like in this small community and you start to realize why like these communities start to band together. Here's why you don't ever see Brad Pitt on the streets, right? Because people on the streets, oh, they freak, whatever. Whereas he can talk to George Clooney, they text, you know, they're all good. It's just, it's kind of an interesting situation. I've

• 1:00:02Doug DeMuro?

  never wanted to just bail. I still love doing it. And honestly, I think the question is predicated on the fact that a lot of people watch all these videos frequently. I think most of my audience is still people who are just showing up from YouTube algorithm and don't care that much that it's me. But I do think that a lot of the long-term audience doesn't view me as relatable anymore, even though I'm the same dude and I still buy cheap shorts, you know?

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  Yep. And occasionally lightweight long pants.

• 1:00:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  Do you think Enya went through the same thing? Because Enya famously just pieced out from like, stop performing, just disverdure Castle and Island.

• 1:00:39Doug DeMuro?

  I still love it. I still love doing it. I love making the videos. And I really think that 99% of my audience, they don't care about any of this. They don't care about the success. They don't care about the Carrera GT. They want to watch a video on a Valkyrie. And that's going to show them how all the buttons work. And it's the people who are watching every video who are like, you know, Doug's this now, Doug's that. I'm not making videos for those people anymore. I'm making videos for people who want good car content, not to get into the drama of YouTube.

• 1:01:10Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Articus, a good question. And by the way, and it's something I think about a lot and something I've had to think about a lot in private. So it's interesting to be able to talk about. Next question from Articus 88. When driving your Countach Carrera GT or Ford GT, how do you avoid large crowds when pumping gas, even when you're getting in and out of the car? Do you just try to be quick? I assume you get recognized all the time now. You get tired of answering the same dreaded questions about cars. How often do you get to go on comfortable, private joy rides? A few questions in here. How often I get stopped by when pumping gas? Actually, not all that frequently. And almost every time I get stopped pumping gas, it's by a random, not someone who knows me. It's by like a what is this car kind of thing. Courage GT, never, you know, never, ever, ever. Countach, virtually every time someone comes up to me.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  My dad had a Carrera.

• 1:01:50Doug DeMuro?

  And I do try to be quick. I'm not tired, though, of answering the same questions. People come up to me all the time. They generally do ask me the same basic stuff. I want a picture, you know, and but it's still fun. I still enjoy it. But I do get to go on comfortable, private joy rides often by myself. People don't freak out on the freeway that much when I'm in the Carrera GT, which is the car that I mainly take on like fun drives. The Countach is the freak out car, but I usually drive that around when I know that I'm prepared to have some people freak out. Yep. Okay, two more questions, two more questions. Next one from Dieter. What is the best winter beater in your opinion? For me, it's any old Volvo. Can't go wrong with a car made to conquer the wilds of Sweden. In Sweden, the opinion is that it's an old Volvo, but in America, that opinion is not commonly shared.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  No, it's just like that it's safe is more of the Volvo. Big, safe.

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  Can I be honest? I think the answer is so dependent on, I think in true winter beater fashion is a car that you can buy that fall for use that winter and spring, and then you get rid of it, right? Like, if you want like a true winter beater, it's whatever you can find that is in, that is least rusty is your best answer.

• 1:02:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the point of a winter beater is not to have it around for like seven seasons, because then it was too nice. If it was gonna last seven seasons, it was probably not a beater in the first place.

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  And I don't, I think it's literally what, what like suits your purpose that day. I don't think there's like a

• 1:03:09Speaker 04

  I had a winter beater. It was wonderful.

• 1:03:13Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  Also, yeah, I was gonna say.

• 1:03:15Doug DeMuro?

  I'm 330 XI.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  I had a 330 XI.

• 1:03:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know what the best, you know what the best winter beater is? 2001 E39 525i in Topaz blue, manual.

• 1:03:25Speaker 05

  No, you wanted the real answer.

• 1:03:27Doug DeMuro?

  Sport package.

• 1:03:28Speaker 05

  You want a square premium thing.

• 1:03:31Doug DeMuro?

  I'll back S U S.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  I was gonna say try some Subaru.

• 1:03:34Doug DeMuro?

  It would not be a head gasket or a Subaru. I'll tell you that.

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  I don't think I would do that.

• 1:03:38Doug DeMuro?

  We are lucky that we do not, do not have to have winter beaters. However, all three of us lived in climates where there were significant winter beaters.

• 1:03:44Speaker 05

  Why can't there be snow here? I want a winter beater.

• 1:03:46Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe lived in Wisconsin.

• 1:03:47Speaker 04

  Why can't there be snow here? Go somewhere else.

• 1:03:49Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe lived in Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Ken lived in Northeast Ohio. I grew up in Colorado and lived in Pennsylvania. We've all lived in the snow. We're all thrilled to be away from it.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll tell you what. Yeah, I was gonna say, winter happens everywhere. I'm driving my winter beater now, you know, it's like you can just.

• 1:04:03Doug DeMuro?

  It's January, we're driving a winter beater.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  The answer is I knew a bunch of people in Madison that had legacy wagons with a stick.

• 1:04:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, stick legacy.

• 1:04:11Speaker 05

  The stick legacy, a little bit of ground clearance would have been nice, but a stick turbocharged Subaru wagon.

• 1:04:17Doug DeMuro?

  I like going to Michigan and seeing they all drive like traverses and stuff. I think a good rusty American car.

• 1:04:23Speaker 05

  A good traverse.

• 1:04:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, four wheel drive. What do you mean?

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  All wheel drive.

• 1:04:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's, it's, it's a car that is, is disposable.

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  G T eight hundred.

• 1:04:30Doug DeMuro?

  You buy.

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  Eight hundred.

• 1:04:32Doug DeMuro?

  No, well, yeah.

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  Tahoe Suburban.

• 1:04:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, okay. But you buy one with rust on it.

• 1:04:36Speaker 05

  Well, but like not so much rust that it's unsafe.

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  Correct.

• 1:04:38Speaker 05

  You do reach a point of rust that it's.

• 1:04:40Doug DeMuro?

  Correct.

• 1:04:40Speaker 05

  Literally.

• 1:04:40Doug DeMuro?

  If I win with something on it already, that you don't feel guilty about driving in the winter.

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:04:44Doug DeMuro?

  You drive it in the winter.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Can I be honest though? Never felt guilty about driving a car in the winter.

• 1:04:49Speaker 04

  Fluid film, the important parts that you don't, the structural stuff you don't want to rust underneath.

• 1:04:53Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  You know.

• 1:04:54Doug DeMuro?

  You got that.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  Stuff. I can picture the smell of that stuff.

• 1:04:57Doug DeMuro?

  Unless you get cheap, like if you can get a cheap traverse or Acadia for like four.

• 1:05:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Doug DeMuro?

  A rusty traverse by a November.

• 1:05:04Speaker 05

  I will accept this if you name the other two.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  Traverse Acadia, can you name the other two? Saturn Outlook in, um, and, uh, what was the other brand?

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  Wow, such a confidence.

• 1:05:14Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, no, no, I got it. I got it. It was, um, uh.

• 1:05:17Speaker 05

  Still for sale, by the way.

• 1:05:22Doug DeMuro?

  Hang on. What do you mean it's still for sale?

• 1:05:26Speaker 05

  A different, uh, been redesigned twice, but it's.

• 1:05:28Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, Buick Enclave. But wait, wasn't there another one also?

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

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• 1:06:01Speaker 01

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• 1:06:07Speaker 01

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• 1:06:32Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 1:06:33Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:06:34Speaker 05

  Number four.

• 1:06:35Doug DeMuro?

  An enclave. By the way, a rusty enclave that you buy.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  Because then it heated seats.

• 1:06:38Doug DeMuro?

  Heated seats.

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  Heated seats.

• 1:06:40Speaker 04

  Ooh, good point.

• 1:06:41Doug DeMuro?

  Last question. And this is a good one.

• 1:06:46Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you want to do that yellow one? Let's do two more. Last question and then one last question after that.

• 1:06:50Speaker 05

  Great.

• 1:06:50Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, how long until this is a great idea? How long until Mercedes comes out with a MyBok line for their cars? You know how they have AMG line and it's like a dumbed down version? This is brilliant.

• 1:06:59Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  This is act- this guy's giving, let's go back to the CEO question. I want to be the CEO of Mercedes Benz so I can implement this.

• 1:07:06Doug DeMuro?

  Like, hey, if you, we'll give you MyBok suspension or U220 with MyBok line. This is a great idea.

• 1:07:12Speaker 05

  Doesn't it cheapen my?

• 1:07:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  Then again, it worked for AMG. Yeah, you're right.

• 1:07:15Doug DeMuro?

  AMG, they cheapened M and it was brilliant. They saw a lot more of those now as a result.

• 1:07:19Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:07:19Doug DeMuro?

  This is a brilliant idea.

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  This is not a bad idea, which is really frustrating. Really frustrating.

• 1:07:24Doug DeMuro?

  Imagine being like, oh, I got MyBok line seats or MyBok line suspension. Mercedes calls it Dizinho or manufacturer. No one knows what that is.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  Well, those mean different things.

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  My friend Nick has an S63 and it has all, he had a MyBok 57 before that. And his S63 bought because it has all the MyBok like stuff. There are climbing seats, picnic tables, all the MyBok stuff, but it doesn't say MyBok anyway. But if it said.

• 1:07:44Speaker 05

  Described, uh, first gen CRV has this as well.

• 1:07:49Doug DeMuro?

  You're, you're missing many.

• 1:07:50Speaker 05

  You're missing, yeah.

• 1:07:51Doug DeMuro?

  Many points.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  Reclining seats, picnic table. All right, I'm done. But yeah, then Mercedes, Mercedes loves long names for cars. Then you could have the Mercedes S550, you know, whatever AMG line.

• 1:08:06Speaker 04

  Well, with my box.

• 1:08:07Doug DeMuro?

  You could, but I think his point is they could just say, instead of like comfort suspension, they could say my box suspension. Or instead of the manufacturer seats or whatever it is, they get my box seats. Suddenly you've got people paying money.

• 1:08:21Speaker 05

  Pretty good chance this catches on.

• 1:08:22Doug DeMuro?

  This is not a bad idea.

• 1:08:24Speaker 05

  Does it? Does it turn out that he actually is the CEO of Mercedes?

• 1:08:26Doug DeMuro?

  His name is Silver Three Shadow and he's brilliant.

• 1:08:29Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:08:29Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of my box, last question, last question from Julian GRC Uffini, or maybe GR Cuffini, pull up the thing. I saw a V223, I saw Mercedes Benz S-Class diesel that had been converted into a shooting brake in Italy, and I have no clue who made it and why. Do you like it? Would you buy one of these if they made one of the customer? Look at this thing. Pull up the back picture. Look at that. This guy, he's in Italy.

• 1:08:52Speaker 05

  That is so cool.

• 1:08:53Doug DeMuro?

  He's on the Mediterranean driving around in a S-Class. This is an S-Class sedan converted into a wagon.

• 1:08:59Speaker 05

  It doesn't look long enough.

• 1:09:01Doug DeMuro?

  It's definitely an S-Class. Look at the tails.

• 1:09:02Speaker 05

  Is it?

• 1:09:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Speaker 05

  It's S-Class tails, but isn't it an S-Class?

• 1:09:05Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to the front picture. It's an S. That's clearly an S-Class in the front.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  That is not long enough. Something about this picture is wrong.

• 1:09:12Doug DeMuro?

  Well, because it has a CLA, it has a CLA shooting brake hatch. That's where they got it from, I bet.

• 1:09:18Speaker 05

  I do not like it.

• 1:09:23Doug DeMuro?

  Why not?

• 1:09:23Speaker 05

  I like the idea of an S-Class wagon or shooting brake. Go back to the rear.

• 1:09:27Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, I would give anything for them to make an S-Class wagon. I've had so many E-Wagons and I just, I get it.

• 1:09:31Speaker 05

  Well, I will say.

• 1:09:32Doug DeMuro?

  I want the comfort of an S-Class so badly, but I just, I can't.

• 1:09:35Speaker 05

  There was, there was news last week that Shaq had West Coast Exotics make, or Customs, whatever they're called, make a Lucid Air two-door. Go to them and say, hey.

• 1:09:43Doug DeMuro?

  It's just, I want Mercedes Benz to do it. I love my E-Class wagons. I've had like five E-Class wagons. I love it, but the S-Class is such a more comfortable car.

• 1:09:52Speaker 05

  How much more comfortable can it be?

• 1:09:53Doug DeMuro?

  Much. An S-Class is so.

• 1:09:55Speaker 05

  But the wagon will take away from that a little bit.

• 1:09:57Doug DeMuro?

  A little bit.

• 1:09:57Speaker 05

  More noise than that would.

• 1:09:58Doug DeMuro?

  But I want a more practical. S-Class so bad.

• 1:10:03Speaker 05

  There are no big, big wagons anymore.

• 1:10:05Doug DeMuro?

  There have always been conversions. People have converted S Classes into wagons going back years and years and years.

• 1:10:09Speaker 05

  To be more rectangular. Like, I don't want a shoe break. I want a wagon.

• 1:10:13Doug DeMuro?

  But they took the back either from a CLS or a CLA. They like got it from.

• 1:10:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think that's CLS. Shoe break.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  I wonder what company did this?

• 1:10:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  It looks decent. I mean, these pictures aren't.

• 1:10:23Doug DeMuro?

  It looks good.

• 1:10:23Speaker 04

  It looks good.

• 1:10:24Doug DeMuro?

  And it looks subtle and it's a nice conversion.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  Look at that, the Mediterranean.

• 1:10:28Doug DeMuro?

  But the Fiat Tivo to the left. Dude, if I, if you're walking down the street, no one would ever know that this was something that was completely done up custom for this dude. I wonder what the interior looks like.

• 1:10:37Speaker 05

  Gently.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  Can't see much of it, but it looks very S-Class-y.

• 1:10:40Doug DeMuro?

  That is cool as hell. No, it's absolutely an S-Class. Felipe doesn't know.

• 1:10:42Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  No, I know.

• 1:10:44Speaker 05

  It looks weird.

• 1:10:46Doug DeMuro?

  Clear. Something about it looks weird? Yeah, the fact that it has a hatchback on it.

• 1:10:51Doug DeMuro?

  Why do we let him?

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:10:54Speaker 05

  No, like it doesn't, I know, I whatever.

• 1:10:56Speaker 04

  I think it's more the camera and the weird angle.

• 1:10:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the angle's odd, to be honest. Oh, and the fact that it has a hatchback on it.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, right. I forgot.

• 1:11:03Doug DeMuro?

  Velsatis. Remember the Velsatis?

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  Of course, remember the Velsatis? It doesn't look like that at all, which is a thing, which is a good thing.

• 1:11:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's a good thing.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  This is not a beautiful model, the Velsatis.

• 1:11:13Doug DeMuro?

  All right.

• 1:11:14Speaker 05

  I, I, yeah, no.

• 1:11:15Doug DeMuro?

  We all love it. We all want it. I would give anything for it. Felipe wouldn't like it or would like it. He's not sure, but he'll have a decision after he reviews the facts and talks to a few people and gets some committee.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Takes it to the committee, gets input, they'll be able to vote.

• 1:11:25Speaker 05

  The P and L impact, that's what we'll see.

• 1:11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right, right. Uh, thank you for watching our special Christmas podcast. We'll be back to you next week with a normal, non-Christmas podcast. We're not going to talk about Christmas. We're not going to talk about New Year's. We're not going to talk about snowmen. It's in the past.

• 1:11:38Speaker 05

  Gingerbread cookies?

• 1:11:39Doug DeMuro?

  Nooo. Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

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• 1:12:09Speaker 01

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