Owning Your Power with Danielle Brooks

From a small-town church girl to an Oscar-nominated powerhouse, Danielle Brooks has built her career on faith, passion, and trusting divine timing. In a soulful and hilariously honest Virgo catch-up, she and Keke talk Orange Is the New Black, The Color Purple, finding what’s meant for you, making Oprah laugh, and the struggle of “good cop vs. bad cop” as a mom—plus a game that’s pure theater. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:05Keke Palmer?

  Straight out of college and into "Orange is the New Black", Danielle Brooks didn't just land a breakout role. She helped change the game in streaming as "Tasty". And since then, she's racked up Oscar, Golden Globe, and Tony nominations for bringing the color purple Sofia to life. This woman don't miss when it comes to meeting her husband, picking projects that help her feel powerful, or making the Oprah laugh. And now she's got some advice for us. So settle in, because baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Oh, not really. We have Xfinity Shield, so we're not worried. What if protecting your home and devices could be drama-free? Xfinity. Imagine that. Restrictions apply. Not available in all areas.

• 1:15Keke Palmer?

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• 1:33Keke Palmer?

  Danielle! Kiki! Girl, I feel like I always see you around at a party and we haven't gotten a chance to sit down for a proper conversation.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Finally, the day has come!

• 1:42Keke Palmer?

  Yes, the Danielle Brooks is here on "Baby, This is Keke Palmer".

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Yes, I like how you said that. "The Danielle Brooks".

• 1:48Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  I love that. Yes, "The Danielle Brooks is in the house".

• 1:52Keke Palmer?

  In the house! And, I mean, you did the pre-show pull-up questionnaire, so I'm excited to see what type of energy you're bringing to that. Okay, so today I'm giving "Chicken with my head cut off with a side of woo-sa". Okay, you kind of were telling me before we got into it, what was going on with your daughter Freya this morning, child.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Girl, my daughter went to her first... Premiere yesterday of Bad Guys Two movie.

• 2:13Keke Palmer?

  Congratulations on the way.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Thank you. So much fun getting to take her, but she got drunk off of Sprite and lemonade.

• 2:19Keke Palmer?

  Period. We love a good time.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Had a blast, was running the room. And next thing you know, this morning, she is just throwing up everywhere, coming out the both ends.

• 2:31Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Your girl didn't get much sleep, but I know you know this life.

• 2:35Keke Palmer?

  Yes, this life can be crazy, but it's so rewarding, especially when they get to the calm down and they're cuddled up on you. Cause the cuddles are hard to come by for me now with Leo being two. He can be stingy with him. I don't know about Freya, but.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  Freya is not stingy. I'm stingy. She was like, will you get in the bed? I'm thinking, no, girl, I don't know if you gonna poop in this bed. I was like, yes, I'll get in the bed. I'll get in the bed with my two hours of sleep.

• 3:00Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, that is so cute.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta cherish them.

• 3:02Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, today's mood in one word, hype, period, always.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Because I'm here with Kiki.

• 3:08Keke Palmer?

  And I'm here with Aya.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  I wish I could do the dance that hype me up. Ay, hype me up.

• 3:13Keke Palmer?

  There'd be so many dances online. We can't, I can't keep up. It's like this one I remember.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Yes, you get that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:20Keke Palmer?

  Kept doing that. And what do we even call it?

• 3:21Speaker 02

  But it's this new one that they doing with the feet with the ah, ah. No, it's this one.

• 3:27Keke Palmer?

  Now we gotta do it. Now that you said it, we gotta do it.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  You gotta teach me, cause I ain't quite got it.

• 3:33Keke Palmer?

  Okay, what did you listen to on the ride here? Touch on me. October London. You know, I got put on to October London at the, um, Soul Train Awards last year.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  It's so.

• 3:43Keke Palmer?

  Very talented, very talented.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  He has this new song that's going viral on the TikTok. I call it the TikTok.

• 3:49Keke Palmer?

  I live for TikTok.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Stay a little old. The TikTok. And girl, it's just this sexy groove that he does. Kinda touch on it. Ooh, it just make you wanna, ah. I was like, maybe Kiki will do it with me. I don't know.

• 4:01Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, I would absolutely do it with you. I live for the soulful vibes. Let's bring these soulful tunes back to the forefront. One thing that instantly makes you laugh, my bestie, nothing beats a IG post.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  You're like, what the heck are you talking about?

• 4:16Keke Palmer?

  Cause you're a meme girl is what I'm getting for this.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  I, so you know they have that new. And nothing beats a

• 4:22Keke Palmer?

  Jet, yes, a jet to life or a jet for life. What, I wanna know where that one came from, a jet to holiday.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  I don't know, but it's

• 4:30Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, what is a jet to holiday?

• 4:32Speaker 02

  It's hilarious. They have one

• 4:34Keke Palmer?

  They put it for everything and people be fighting in the street, nothing beats a jet to holiday.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  It's hilarious.

• 4:40Keke Palmer?

  What do this mean?

• 4:41Speaker 02

  I'm living for them. They make me laugh. IG is ruthless.

• 4:45Keke Palmer?

  Girl, IG is so ruthless. And I know you've been memed a few times.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Yes, just a few.

• 4:52Keke Palmer?

  You've been memed a lot of times, yes.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  It's so heavy.

• 4:55Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, it's so crazy because it's always out of context, but that's what we're living for.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love it.

• 5:00Keke Palmer?

  Okay, last screenshot on your phone, no deleting.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Me, honey.

• 5:05Keke Palmer?

  Where, was this at an event, at a premiere?

• 5:06Speaker 02

  This was, okay, right before we left the premiere, you know, you have to get your professional pictures.

• 5:11Keke Palmer?

  Girl, and you can never trust Getty.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  And honey, you can never trust none of Getty.

• 5:15Keke Palmer?

  They're so scary.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  It is.

• 5:17Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  But Getty was right this time, you know, we was good this time. Fashion bomb, we hit you girl up, I'm like, thank you. Um, but yes, I had my professional pictures, they pretty bomb, so.

• 5:29Keke Palmer?

  I love that. Well, I mean, I'm happy because I got another Virgo in the house.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Yes, we are here, even though you're August.

• 5:35Keke Palmer?

  I was about to say, I was just about to say how you got on me about the September to August Virgos. Why, why does the Virgo have to have beef in the Virgo building?

• 5:43Speaker 02

  I know, I, I started the beef and I apologize, but I'm not sorry at the same time. That's how I feel about it because you have to hold the category down by yourself, pretty much, when it comes to the celebrities in this category.

• 5:57Keke Palmer?

  I know you guys have Beyonce.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  We got Beyonce, Jennifer Hudson. We got Taraji P. Henson.

• 6:04Keke Palmer?

  Taraji?

• 6:04Speaker 02

  Tyler Per.

• 6:06Keke Palmer?

  Not my guy.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  We got Zendaya, don't forget about the Danielle Brooks. I'm just saying.

• 6:12Keke Palmer?

  Well, wait a damn minute, because we've got Michael Jackson.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Dead.

• 6:16Keke Palmer?

  Kobe Bryant.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Dead.

• 6:18Keke Palmer?

  Dave Chappelle.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Alive, alive.

• 6:21Keke Palmer?

  So they, so they going just because they're to the other side?

• 6:25Speaker 02

  No, they spirit is in the room.

• 6:27Keke Palmer?

  Exactly, they kept, we even got Mother Teresa. We got a whole saint on our side.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  That ain't, uh, that ain't pulling it. You make it sound good, but that ain't pulling it.

• 6:38Keke Palmer?

  What is the most Virgo thing about you? Like, do you really associate, like, you vibe with it?

• 6:42Speaker 02

  I know, you know the, you know the Zodiac stuff now. I'm not that crazy. I don't know all the things. If you ask me anybody else's Zodiac, I don't know nothing. People ask me my daughters, and I'm like, I think she is Scorpio. But for me, it's bad. I'm organized to an extent.

• 7:02Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  But I'm organized when it comes to like my business and work and stuff like that. I do have that. But I think that's it. I mean, you tell me, I don't remember all of the.

• 7:10Keke Palmer?

  I mean, you feel very Virgo to me, but I agree with you. It's kind of, you know, you gotta get into all this stuff to really know for sure. Like, what's your rising, what's your moon, you know what I mean? But I do feel the Virgo energy strong. So, yes, to the two Virgos being in the house. And you became a honorary Delta with Queen Latifah. Queen Latifah's one of my favorite people. And so when I see you came in today, I'm like, oh, she's ready.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  I'm ready.

• 7:33Keke Palmer?

  Because these are the colors.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  I'm ready.

• 7:34Keke Palmer?

  So how was that experience? And had you ever wanted to be in the sorority before?

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Girl, I wanted to be a Delta my entire life. I was in Delta Teens, Delta, Delta Gems. This is basically, they kind of groom you to be Deltas. And you do community service in high school and all that stuff. But then I went to Juilliard. And I have to tell this quick story, so people really understand. So when I was younger, I had a godmother. I was five, she was elderly lady, and we just bonded. We were stuck at the hip all the time, right? And she unfortunately passed away when I was 15. And what I didn't know was that she left $20,000 in her will for me to go to college, which is what I needed for my first semester to go to Juilliard. And so what people don't know was that she was a member of Delta Sigma Theta.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  And so I don't even know, like, obviously, I know where my help comes from. God, number one, my source. But I don't know if I would have gotten to where I am without a Delta. So she means everything to me. I've always wanted to be a part of sorority. And to finally be an honor. I spent everything.

• 8:40Keke Palmer?

  So did you get a chance to have that conversation with any of the deltas when you were there?

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Somewhat. I can't share everything now.

• 8:47Keke Palmer?

  Oh, wait a minute. She said it's sisterhood.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  I can't share everything, but yes.

• 8:52Keke Palmer?

  That is such a special story.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Thank you. Have you ever wanted to?

• 8:56Keke Palmer?

  Yes, I've always wanted to be. So my dad's an alpha.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  My dad's an alpha too.

• 9:01Keke Palmer?

  Girl, all my uncles are alphas. My sister became an AKA. I didn't get a chance to actually go to college and no one has made me an honorary anything yet. But you know, I'm open. You know, I'm available.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Any colors that you were leaning towards?

• 9:14Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so historically, it was always AKA because that's my family. I'm following the family's order. But vibe, you know, I always did see myself as a delta.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  That's what my ears, they feel, that sounds right to the ear. That sounds right to the ear. That's all I'm gonna say.

• 9:32Keke Palmer?

  I'm not howling. Well, you don't make a call.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  I'm not, you know, we just gonna be easy with it. You know what I'm saying? I think they listen. I know the sisters listen.

• 9:41Keke Palmer?

  They need to listen. Now, take us back to the beginning, right? You said you're from Simpsonville, South Carolina.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  You're the first person to be specific about where I'm actually from.

• 9:49Keke Palmer?

  Cause when I heard Simpsonville, I said, yes, Simpsons. Simpsonville.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm from Simpsonville, very small town.

• 9:57Keke Palmer?

  What was it like growing up there? Do you have siblings?

• 9:59Speaker 02

  I do. I have one brother. He's 30. Uh, and we didn't actually grow up together that much because I left the house at 15 to go to private school. So I lived on campus.

• 10:11Keke Palmer?

  Wow, you have to tell me about that experience because I think we all watched TV shows like that growing up. Was it fun? Was it crazy?

• 10:18Speaker 02

  I had a blast. We acted like we were in college without the liquor, like.

• 10:22Keke Palmer?

  It was giving Zoey 101.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Oh my God, we would sneak over to the boy's side. We literally had to go down this hill, like run down a hill, try not to get caught by the cameras, go around the like fence or something, jump the fence, go sneak up into somebody's window. And we wasn't doing nothing but watching movies. I swear to you. But it was so much fun to like act like we were bad.

• 10:44Keke Palmer?

  How did you get into it? Like what made your parents say, hey, you know, we're gonna have you? You go to this school like.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  My mother, same like yours, just so involved and invested in me finding something that I loved. And she found this school and it really was like a mini Juilliard. And so I, I give a lot of credit to my mom for finding this place, yeah.

• 11:04Keke Palmer?

  And so I know you grew up in the church singing and the same as me, my dad's a deacon, your dad's a deacon, your mom is a minister. So how do you feel those early years helped you to develop or even to realize that music and performance was something you want to do?

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Oh, girl, cuz they're so, and you know this, they're so interconnected.

• 11:22Keke Palmer?

  They really are.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Both, the goal is to move people and change people's lives. And so the only, the thing that I love about it is they're both very theatrical.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  You know.

• 11:38Keke Palmer?

  Why is it so like that?

• 11:39Speaker 02

  This is the best place to learn. I mean, a pastor hooping and hollering, you're going to learn how to steal the show.

• 11:45Keke Palmer?

  And the ladies in the front.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  I mean, you got the ensemble, all of it, you got the ensemble, the choir, you programs, like a playbill, everything. It's just laid out for you. And so it just made sense. I was in church plays growing up. I wasn't a child star like yourself. But I was a child star in Simpsonville.

• 12:03Keke Palmer?

  I know, that's right. No, because also the church will make you a star. You definitely applaud on your way up to that ball pit.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Yes, they're gone now. Gone, you better sing that solo. And I was really scared of singing growing up. Like I, my dad always jokes that I was not good singing unless there was a mic. He was like, there's something about the mic that makes you sound good cuz when you in the house, I'm like, yeah, that ain't daddy.

• 12:27Keke Palmer?

  I'm howling. But dads love doing that to me. My dad always do that to me too.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Take it on me, but yeah.

• 12:33Keke Palmer?

  So when was the point where you were like, I wanna take this serious? Like, was it at fifteen or was it even before then?

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Acting or singing.

• 12:40Keke Palmer?

  Acting and performing, yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  Performing, um, I always knew I wanted to do it. Didn't know how to get there.

• 12:47Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  You know, and so the, the high school helped me to get to Juilliard. But I didn't even know what Juilliard was until I was at the high school. And I just knew all the black girls because it was a really small um group of us. Like in my theater class at that high school, it was only like twelve of us. And I graduated in the school of ninety-nine. Really, really tiny. But all the black girls were getting into Juilliard. So that was me.

• 13:12Keke Palmer?

  It's a hell of a good high school for training grounds.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  It was, we were getting in. So I said, let me go and try this place out. So I auditioned and got in at seventeen. And I feel like it wasn't until my third year of college. And I realized, oh, I got to pay rent doing this.

• 13:29Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Like I actually had to make a living doing this. And it's not just the fun play thing that it makes my heart happy. It's more than that. And so that's when I was like, okay, we gotta buckle down and figure out how we gonna pay our rent with the thing we love.

• 13:42Keke Palmer?

  On Instagram, you shared something that I really, really did too. Because I feel like we've both been very blessed with parents that have supported us. But that your dad refinanced y'all's home.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  Yes, he did.

• 13:51Keke Palmer?

  To help you afford Juilliard. Tell me a little bit about that experience and how that maybe encouraged. But I'm sure also was pressureful for you during that time of wanting to succeed.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, especially being the first child, the first born, you know, and feeling like, okay. Your parents are sacrificing for you to do this thing. And also like bringing up, you know, Ms. Edge, my godmother, like she sacrificed, you know, parts of her. Life to give me that twenty thousand dollars. It's like you got to really bring it. And so I definitely felt that pressure, but I'm so grateful for them for doing that, you know, and really doing the best they could do.

• 14:29Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah. Shout out to godmothers. And I do think that growing up in the church too, the community is everything. Because my godmother, Nona, and the Hudson family, they helped pay for me to go to private school. So just when I'm hearing that, it reminds me just so much of that community of that growing up in church and having people that's looking out for you.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  And I should bring that up too, because my church did have a big hand in that. Like they did fundraisers for me to go to college, like they really had a huge hand in that. So thank you for bringing that up.

• 14:55Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, that sense of community is everything. Well, now we gotta get into Juilliard because I'm so

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Juilliard.

• 14:59Keke Palmer?

  Girl, we hear so much about that.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  You should get an honorary from Juilliard.

• 15:04Keke Palmer?

  Girl, that would be crazy. Like, I mean, that is like the school, you know what I'm saying? So, what was it at first? Maybe it was a good thing that you didn't really know all that going in.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  I think it was.

• 15:15Keke Palmer?

  You know? And so when you got there, what was it like? Like, are they chilling and kicking back? Or is everything serious in Juilliard? What is the?

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Girl, we try to act like we are a sorority because it ain't many of us there.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  I mean, it is very intense. You know, for me, being in the drama division, there's only eighteen students that get invited every year and I'm there, it ranges. So, I was the youngest. I came in at seventeen, but the oldest in my class was thirty-five.

• 15:42Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, so imagine trying to figure out who you are with people who kind of already have a sense of who they are. And so, yeah, it was intense days. I mean, the days started from probably seven, eight in the morning until ten P M. at night. But that was good training because now we have these lives, you know, that can make you be a chicken with your head cut off.

• 16:09Keke Palmer?

  Okay, yeah, you know how to manage everything.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  You know how to manage everything.

• 16:12Keke Palmer?

  Are there any familiar faces that were in your year at Juilliard?

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 16:16Keke Palmer?

  Please tell me who you was with school with.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Hoppo, who this woman? Hoppo. Corey Hawkins.

• 16:22Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  We were in the same class together, yeah.

• 16:25Keke Palmer?

  Wow.

• 16:25Speaker 02

  We in the same, ah, if I had to tell you the stories.

• 16:29Keke Palmer?

  Well, go ahead and spill them up on here.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Oh, girl. We gonna have to tell these stories without this song.

• 16:35Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, we got stories. Corey Hawkins, Samira Wiley.

• 16:40Keke Palmer?

  Yep.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  There's some theater people, Jakina Kalakango, she's a Tony winner. She was in my class. Aaron Moten, y'all gotta look him up. Shout out to him.

• 16:50Keke Palmer?

  Samira Wiley, y'all were in Orange is the New Black.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Yes, we were. She played Poussey.

• 16:54Keke Palmer?

  Yep, Poussey.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, Charlie.

• 16:56Keke Palmer?

  She has me crying on Handmaid's Tale. I had to turn that [BLEEP] off.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  I know, she's so good.

• 17:00Keke Palmer?

  Girl, why y'all don't get up out of this? It says that starts to get crazy. I think even all of the fans were like, "Cut it off." Now let them be free. It gets to a point, like, "Good grief."

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 17:14Keke Palmer?

  But she's great on the show.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  She's great, but there's a lot of us floating around.

• 17:18Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so you spoke about, like, okay, working during that time. Were there any, what kind of jobs were you doing? I'm just curious what Danielle Brooks was doing.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Before hitting oranges in her black?

• 17:28Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. First of all, I have to tell this funny story, because I thought, like, I had this struggling, went early in my life. I had this struggling life as an actor. And I was, I feel like it was Nisi Nash. I'm not sure if it was, but I feel like it was Nisi. I was talking, I love her too. Hey, cuz, cuz you know she my cousin.

• 17:44Keke Palmer?

  In real time?

• 17:45Speaker 02

  In real time.

• 17:46Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, I didn't know that that was your cousin.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Her and Sterling K. Brown.

• 17:49Keke Palmer?

  Girl.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 17:50Keke Palmer?

  Are you, what do they call it today's day? A plant? No.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 17:54Keke Palmer?

  You know, and they be like, "Industry plant."

• 17:56Speaker 02

  I don't know this.

• 17:58Keke Palmer?

  Girl, it's a joke, but...

• 17:59Speaker 02

  You know, I be in Atlanta, child.

• 18:00Keke Palmer?

  Girl, it's a long story. You're not an industry plant.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, no, no, no.

• 18:04Keke Palmer?

  You just happen to have connections, the random ones.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  I did Henry Louis Gates, and that's how I found out they was my cousins.

• 18:11Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I want to do that man show so mad. I seen Nas up on there, he found out who the slave owner was.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:17Keke Palmer?

  Now that'll get you mad.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  That'll piss you off.

• 18:20Keke Palmer?

  Girl, but then he said something cool, because he was like, "What was the land?"

• 18:24Speaker 02

  And he was like, "Go get it."

• 18:25Keke Palmer?

  He wants to go buy.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  He better go get it.

• 18:26Keke Palmer?

  And I thought that was incredible.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:28Keke Palmer?

  But wow, I want to know who my cousin is, what if we're cousins?

• 18:31Speaker 02

  We could be cousins, girl. That would be fun.

• 18:35Keke Palmer?

  You know, I had cousins in Simpsonville, South Carolina. Oh, no.

• 18:41Keke Palmer?

  Anyway, go ahead, sorry.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  I forgot the question.

• 18:42Keke Palmer?

  You were talking, you were talking to, uh, Nisi Nash.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:45Keke Palmer?

  And you were like, "I had such a hard life."

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. I think it was Nisi, and I was like, I just, you know, she was like, "Tell me your story." This is before we found out we was cousins. Tell me a story. I was like, you know, I struggled for a year right out of Juilliard. And I was a dog walker and I, you know, worked at restaurants. And I was a typist for elderly lady and braided hair for shows. I just run.

• 19:08Keke Palmer?

  Come on, braided hair.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  And she said, hold on, you said a year? I said, yes. She said, girl, we been out here struggling for 10, 20 years. What you talking about a year? So I shut it down. I was like, girl, you have not been through the wringer. You know what I mean? Now, there have been sacrifices along the way. Let's not sleep on that. But I had to say, you know, you know, I've been very blessed in this industry.

• 19:35Keke Palmer?

  I mean, straight out of college is when you landed Orange is the New Black.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Pretty much.

• 19:40Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  A year out. That's incredible. It don't count for nothing. Nope, yep, yep, you straight out of college, yep.

• 19:45Keke Palmer?

  And I was just, when I was preparing for this, I was literally like going back to that era of when Orange is the New Black first hit and it changed TV. It changed the way we were looking at characters, the way that we were looking at this prison system.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  I think it also changed how we looked at black women in this industry. To know that there's not just room for one, it's room for a lot of us. Because you had a lot of women of color pop on that show.

• 20:09Keke Palmer?

  Yes. I mean, it was incredible. And now we know because it set the standard. But in going back to the beginning of it, I'm wondering what it was like for you guys. I mean, you're entering, like you said, a year out of college. It's surrounded by a great cast.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  Nothing. Wow. I was out here like a chicken with my head cut off, for real. I guess that's the theme of the show today. It was. We, you know, we were so green. But it was wonderful to have some women that were very seasoned, like Kate McGrew or Natasha Lyonne, Laura Prepa. They've been doing this for a while. And then you had myself, Uzo, Adrian, Samira, Laverne. We all got to come and talk to one another.

• 20:48Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  And be like, you going through that thing? Did that happen to you? Because we also became famous in 13 Hours.

• 20:54Keke Palmer?

  Girl, it was like, that, I mean, the show was a huge, it reminded me of back in the day when Desperate Housewives first came on. And everybody was like, this is the best. It was the same kind of thing. Where it just broke the internet or broke TV. Where you guys were overnight sensations rightfully so.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Literally thirteen hours.

• 21:09Keke Palmer?

  And then we found out about everybody's background where it's like she went to jewelry. And it was like these persons from theater. Got to see all these great actors. With this great background.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think people thought they they found us on the streets, some of us. Like, who are these kids? Like, it's weird.

• 21:28Keke Palmer?

  So who was cutting up the most on set? Were you guys all being serious or was like, what was the vibe like?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  All of us, I mean, all of, I remember us doing some step routines during the middle of takes. But we all were professional, but we were the ones that would be like rapping in the middle of the cafeteria, you know, spitting or whatever you want to call it. And as soon as they were like, action, dropping tears. Like, we we knew how to bring what needed to be brought, you know? So that was, it was so much fun, Kiki.

• 21:57Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, was there a moment playing Tasty where you knew, or a monologue, I should say, you know, in the show with your character that let you know? I'm doing the work I was meant to do, where it kind of hits you from, yeah, coming in that year out of college to, you know, defining the kind of work you want to do to realizing your direction?

• 22:13Speaker 02

  For sure, and I think, I don't know if a lot of people got to see it because it was later in the seasons, like season five, when we had a riot. Tasty starts a riot and she gives this big speech about brown people and black people not being, um, taken as human. You know, we just kind of feel disposable and how real that moment felt. I just, I could feel a shift. That was a shift moment for me, uh, as an actor. But also just like in what we're doing, the work that we do, um, just as you know, goes beyond ourselves. And that moment just felt so real.

• 22:50Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I definitely do think for me growing up when coming into industry, similar to you, it's like, I know I have my talent and I'm, and I love to do what I do. But you listen to your parents and you think about your community and you're trying to shape like what your art is meant to say. And as I got older, I realized the same thing of like, okay, what, what, what, what is the meaning of the stories I'm telling? And if I'm representing someone, if I'm representing my community, how am I showing that pride? Even in a nuanced character that may not be seen as good or bad or whatever. So it is interesting how we evolve. It continues to inform our work.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 23:23Keke Palmer?

  Um, in an interview with CNBC, you were talking about how you're also struggling financially, even though working on one of the biggest hit shows. And I want to bring that up because I feel like people often think, hey, um, you know, everybody is rich that's on TV. Doesn't mean that you're not, uh, that you can't pay your bills, but it's like, I'm not immediately rich. We all got jobs, but sometimes the income is not working with what I got to output. Um, so anyway, I just wanted to talk to you about, yeah, yeah, talk to you about how you feel about that misconception in our industry.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  I always say do not count people's pockets and especially actors pockets. And I know you've probably broke it down a hundred times for people. The percentage of giving to the agent, the lawyer, the manager, the business manager, the hair, makeup, styling. When you break it down and then your taxes, you really getting probably twenty percent. You know what I'm saying? Out of your check. And that's crazy. It is crazy. And so when I was first coming out, Orange did not pay much. You know, we, I probably got them first few episodes, five thousand an episode. And now take the forty percent for taxes. Agent, manager, business manager.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Your girl was out here broke, broke, broke, five broke.

• 24:48Keke Palmer?

  For real, for real. Now, now that changed over the seasons. But when we all start out, that is the case. And you even talked also about going, thinking to yourself later on in the season, should I have asked more? What was also that process? Because I remember one of the people that helped me change my rate first was Queen Latifah. Because you know, back in the day, they would compare it to whatever you were last. Now they've since changed that. But it's like, yeah, so what was that step that you took to being like, hey? That, those are the old numbers?

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:20Keke Palmer?

  These are the new numbers.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  And that's the thing, see, Kiki, I wanna hear your thought on this too. I feel like you continue to grow and for me, my growth became now I'm Emmy nominated, now I'm Tony nominated, now I have a Grammy. All of these things with Oscar nominated. But during the build of that, people keep making you feel like, but you don't have it yet. So maybe not, maybe you're, you can't get that rate because you haven't hit this number yet or you haven't hit that, you know, got that award yet. And so I

• 25:51Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Kind of had to finally be like, I don't care if I got the award, I don't have the award. You know, it don't matter. My talent is there.

• 25:59Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  So.

• 26:00Keke Palmer?

  I do it based off of what I'm willing to do the job for.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:04Keke Palmer?

  The, you know, period. Like

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Like how long?

• 26:06Keke Palmer?

  Like how long is the job?

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:08Keke Palmer?

  Is this gonna cover what I need? Do I really love it? Who are the people involved? Can this piggyback and become something else? Like, I totally agree with you. Like, it's definitely not tied to no damn award.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 26:18Keke Palmer?

  Like, get a grab. You know, it needs to be tied to what the accolades are.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 26:22Keke Palmer?

  And if you want me, and if I want you.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  That's, come on, say, if I want you.

• 26:27Keke Palmer?

  Cause we gotta agree.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  If you want, we got to come at an agreement. I'm with you. I've always said that now. It's the three things that I hold dear. The money.

• 26:36Keke Palmer?

  Yep.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Who I'm working with.

• 26:38Keke Palmer?

  That's you.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  And the artistry of it, the story. Do, if, if those three things don't align, then I'm just not. Because, and when I say money, it's really going off what you're saying. It has to be worth doing, you know?

• 26:52Keke Palmer?

  You have a family. We're all living in this world. We have things that we have to take care of. That's not the only thing, but it's a big part of being able to do what we need to do. And we gotta do the hair and the makeup and do the glam. Those, those things cost.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  The press part is a big part of the work too.

• 27:06Keke Palmer?

  Girl.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Huge.

• 27:07Keke Palmer?

  It's another part of the narrative of the narrative that we're selling.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you gotta

• 27:12Keke Palmer?

  Like, still know what I mean.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  You gotta take that into consideration too, when it comes to.

• 27:16Keke Palmer?

  It's so true. I do wanna talk about The Color Purple, because it kind of has this thread.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Special to me.

• 27:23Keke Palmer?

  And it, yes, because it's the first show you saw on Broadway at fifteen. You made your Broadway debut as Sofia in 2015. Tony nominated and earned a Grammy.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Thank you, yes ma'am.

• 27:33Keke Palmer?

  Then you got your Oscar nomination for your portrayal of Sofia in the movie in 2023. So, I just wanna-

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Look at God.

• 27:40Keke Palmer?

  I mean, isn't that a- God is the best writer.

• 27:44Keke Palmer?

  God is the best writer. By the way, The Color Purple, we didn't do that on purpose. It just went like that.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:51Keke Palmer?

  But what does it mean to you now? I mean, I meant something to you in the beginning, but now seeing how it's kind of has this thread in your life, what does that story mean to you?

• 28:02Speaker 02

  God's promise over my life is real. That's what it is. Like, it just, cause like you were saying, it's the story to me is already written. It's, your story is already, mine is already written. All you gotta do is step into and be ready to receive. That's really it. And so I feel like being in The Color Purple has reminded me of that. And when you listen to all of the lyrics in all of those songs, "I'm beautiful," you know, "look what God has done," or like, you know, all of those little things. Getting to live with that, you know, cause you done Broadway. Doing a year of that on Broadway, eight shows a week, getting to hear those lyrics.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  It, it, it is a part of the fabric of my blood now. It's, it's a part of me. Getting to say, "Hell, no," is a part of me. When you talk about those jobs, getting to say, "Hell, no, I'm not receiving that. I'm not taking that in my life," whether that's business or personal. And so, I'm just so grateful for it. It has been so, like, full circle. I mean, I feel like this, it's one of those things, like, is, what's meant for you is for you. And this journey with The Color Purple was totally meant for me.

• 29:20Keke Palmer?

  And I just love what you said because this is also the importance of what we choose and what we do and what our work means to us and making sure that it has meaning because we do take something from these characters when they leave us. We do and you want to make sure it's something that I'm learning and I'm carrying with pride. You said on today.com, when I played Sophia in 2015, it was about learning my power and this time it's been about owning my power. And that stuck with me because it's like, yeah, like that's the transition of the story. That's the transition of your experience with the character.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  You better do your research, KK.

• 29:55Keke Palmer?

  It's all in, I would say it's all in the team, you know.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  The team, come on. The facts are facts, so they're not like half facts because you know, you do this. Sometimes people will say stuff about you, like, girl, that ain't all of it, but okay. I guess you got it somewhere.

• 30:09Keke Palmer?

  Child, I know exactly what you mean. We try to be, you know, we knew you were coming, so we had to come correct.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 30:15Keke Palmer?

  So in your day, in your life today, and you said a little bit of it, but how are you living power? What does that look like for you now?

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Hmm, oh man, I think it's trusting, trusting God. And I say that because I think if I wasn't doing that, when you talk about like living in your power, I would be frantic right now.

• 30:37Keke Palmer?

  Without faith.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Without faith, I would be like, oh my gosh, where's the next job? Am I getting paid enough? Should I be keeping up with that person? And I'm in this space of trusting that what is for me will come and what is not for me. And you said that in that J. Hood interview.

• 30:53Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  You know, you were talking about that of like, they releasing it, you know, you released it.

• 31:00Keke Palmer?

  Because I think a lot of times we put our value outside of it. Isn't it a human thing to do because we're looking for markers, we're looking for mirrors? But the world can't really reflect, you know? It can't really reflect you in the truest form. It just, it doesn't have the capability to. So it has to come from you saying to yourself, oh, no, no, no, if that didn't happen for me, that doesn't mean that I'm not a value. It means that that's not valuable enough for me.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  And you don't know how God is redirecting you because that's what I learned with The Color Purple on Broadway. You know how many Broadway shows I auditioned for?

• 31:30Keke Palmer?

  Wow.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Do you know, and I mean having a name and not having a name. I have auditioned for Broadway shows and I got close, sometimes having seven callbacks. And God said, "No, boo boo. I got something around the corner."

• 31:45Keke Palmer?

  Child, that's how it was for me with Snow White.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  Oh, Snow White.

• 31:47Keke Palmer?

  They had me auditioning frontwards, backwards, sideways. I mean, I was in there singing, "Down!" All while I was trying, filming and getting ready for "Nope." And I'm like, "Okay, we gonna get this part." And, child, what God asks for you is for you, and what it ain't.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Thank you, Lord.

• 32:06Keke Palmer?

  Thank you, Lord. So, moving into Oprah.

• 32:18Keke Palmer?

  Y'all, I have been scrolling through Airbnb looking at the most gorgeous Victorian mansions in the Catskills. And let me tell you, your girl is ready for a fall moment. I'm talking spiral staircases, tower rooms with panoramic forest views. The whole vibe. Like, imagine me and my friends making apple cider in a vintage kitchen, telling stories by the fireplace and watching those fall leaves change from a wraparound porch. Woo! And the best part? I always look for the guest's favorite badge, which means it's one of the most loved homes on Airbnb. Because, listen, when I travel with my friends, we need more than just a basic room. We need space to really sink into the experience, to make memories.

• 33:01Keke Palmer?

  And trust me, hotels just don't give you that "this place has a story" feeling. Whether you're dreaming of a cozy cabin in the woods, a desert hideaway like my favorite spot in Joshua Tree, or, yes, maybe even a slightly spooky mansion for fall, Airbnb has exactly what you're looking for. This message is brought to you by Apple Pay. When the temperature drops below 65, you'll find me in my natural habitat, cocooned in my favorite blanket, watching my shows. And no, I'm not moving. Why should I? I love that Apple Pay lets me live my best hibernation life. I'm ordering dinner, booking my autumn cabin getaway, and shopping online for more blankets. And all from my cozy command center.

• 33:47Keke Palmer?

  I absolutely live for how seamless it is. From my iPhone, I just... Tap the Apple Pay button at the online checkout, a quick Face ID scan and ding, transaction complete. No need to unwrap myself from this blanket burrito to grab my wallet from the other room. What I appreciate most is how Apple Pay lets me skip all those never-ending online checkout forms. The way I see it, less time filling out payment info means more time to getting back to my shows. And that's the kind of multitasking I live for. Next time you're online shopping or in-app, just look for that Apple Pay button at checkout. Trust me, it's giving work smarter, not harder. And that's exactly the energy we need. Pay the Apple way. Terms apply.

• 34:33Keke Palmer?

  Who don't love Oprah? I've never gotten a chance to really spend a lot of time with Oprah, but you did with The Color Purple. And obviously, I mean, you guys share a character. So, tell me about that experience with her, you know, this, doing this movie, like, just the Oprah of it all.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was so special to be in her orbit so intimately, like, to be on her PJ, you know what I mean?

• 34:55Keke Palmer?

  Now, come on PJ, the own PJ.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  She is just so great.

• 35:02Keke Palmer?

  Is she funny? She's an Aquarius.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  She, she's funny. I, I, I think I'm funnier.

• 35:10Keke Palmer?

  So you had Oprah cackling, okay, boom.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  I think it was more me having her cackling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's a real one, though. You know, and I think, I thank God that a relationship happened how it did because I feel like the first time I did, uh, Color Purple, we didn't connect like that. But this time, I really got to connect with her and just hear her, um, wisdom and, you know, all of the things and, and still get to continue a relationship with her that's natural. You know, it's not forced. Um, so I'm, I'm really blessed to, to be able to call her Auntie.

• 35:42Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 35:43Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I love that. I love that. And I do feel like she's, you know, she's done a lot. So it was cool to see this version of The Color Purple. Because I think it also put a little bit more joy in the story that when I was a kid watching The Color Purple, sometimes I would be like, turn the [BLEEP] off.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Because it's so depressing.

• 35:58Keke Palmer?

  But you can't look away. But I think this one, you know, seeing this version, it has so much light, glamour, and I think it just showed a different face of it, which is a good thing. Um, now, let's talk about the Oscars. Was the first Oscars you went to, the one that you were also nominated? Was that, was?

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:14Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:16Keke Palmer?

  I mean, that's insane. The first time I'm going to the Oscars, I'm nominated. Get into it.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Thank you, girl.

• 36:21Keke Palmer?

  It's giving life. What were you thinking?

• 36:24Speaker 02

  And I'm here. I mean, I was just like, yes, I was so happy. I, like, nothing could steal my joy that day.

• 36:33Keke Palmer?

  And I know you probably have been doing a lot of stuff, too, right before that party.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Girl, Minecraft. I was shooting Minecraft in New Zealand at the same time. So it was crazy town, lot of travels, and New Zealand is 14 hours away. So that was insane. But to get to share that with the people who made me, my mom, my dad, my husband right by my side, it just was like, I'm here. Like Regina King is talking about me and my work.

• 37:02Keke Palmer?

  And I love Regina King.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  I love me some Regina King.

• 37:04Keke Palmer?

  Was there anything that surprised you about being in that room? Like, was it surprisingly very calm? Were people being talkative?

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Ooh, seeing Coleman, I think this was the time, because we went to so many events. But seeing Coleman Domingo get on the stage and start dancing, I was like, this man, like, he got everybody hyped.

• 37:23Keke Palmer?

  No.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  I was like, of course, of course.

• 37:27Keke Palmer?

  No, he literally has that vibe. Anytime I've been around him, it's something about that man's energy.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's amazing. And I've known Coleman for a very, very, very long time from the theater scene. So, yeah, he's always been like a big uncle to me and brother, really, to me.

• 37:41Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  Uh, shout out to Coleman Domingo.

• 37:43Keke Palmer?

  You said something that is so Virgo that I completely agree with.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Oh my God, what did I say?

• 37:47Keke Palmer?

  I really believe in not taking everyone advice. And I live for those. Those are words to live by, because who are you and what are the credentials?

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:56Keke Palmer?

  People love telling you what to do with your life and whole life in shambles.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Come on, especially when you become a mother.

• 38:02Keke Palmer?

  Girl.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  And even in acting, it's like, people back in Cincinnati, I love y'all, but you're like, you don't know nothing about what I'm doing, but you want to tell me how to do it. It's like...

• 38:14Keke Palmer?

  So whose advice do you find yourself taking or listening to? It would be your parents?

• 38:18Speaker 02

  It's called a therapist.

• 38:20Keke Palmer?

  Okay. She said, I need you to have real credentials, a B H D.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Seriously.

• 38:24Keke Palmer?

  A doctorate.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  No, but I do, I do take advice from my dad and my husband. And I got some really. Shout out Dennis, who's probably here now, but anyway. Also, I have a few girlfriends, very select few girlfriends. But they also know the rule, don't give advice unless I ask for it.

• 38:46Keke Palmer?

  And Virgos never ask.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  We really don't, unless we are desperate for an answer.

• 38:51Keke Palmer?

  Literally.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Do you not ask? Cause I know you said you have some girlfriends.

• 38:55Keke Palmer?

  I feel the exact same way that you do. Um, I have like three girlfriends. I ask them when I really need it. I definitely talk to my mom a lot. Um, you know, and that's, and that's the main thing. Like that's it. It's like my mom, my main three girlfriends. But I'm ruminating and ruminating and ruminating before I get to the point of being like, so what do you think?

• 39:15Speaker 02

  So it's mostly like all, most decisions made, if not all, are coming from you, not from like.

• 39:22Keke Palmer?

  A team. Well, when I'm with my job, my work.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:25Keke Palmer?

  Well, I think.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  But I'm talking personal. I'm like, personally, do you be like, oh, cause I ruminate, ruminate too. But I wanna ruminate with, like hearing people in my ear and I'm like, I don't like that. No, I don't like, yeah, I like that. And then make my decision.

• 39:38Keke Palmer?

  Yes, that's kind of how I am as well. I mean, every now and then, will I, will I talk to chat? Yeah, what's good, G P T? You know what I'm saying?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Wait, what are you talking to chat G P T about?

• 39:49Keke Palmer?

  Gotta ask them.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Should I lead this? Like, is that what you're talking to chat G P T about?

• 39:55Keke Palmer?

  Girl, you gotta ask them to stop. Hey.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 39:57Keke Palmer?

  So should I pop this boil or what?

• 39:59Speaker 02

  What?

• 40:00Keke Palmer?

  You gotta ask.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Okay, should I pop, well, I got a toenail.

• 40:04Keke Palmer?

  Y'all understand?

• 40:05Speaker 02

  I'm struggling with it.

• 40:06Keke Palmer?

  Like, what should I do? So every now and then chat might find its way into the group chat.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay, okay. Chat G P T.

• 40:14Keke Palmer?

  But yeah, I, I very much so like to think about things and in conversation, conversation, hearing the things over and over and over again. Virgos are, we're just too much.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Do you like learning from your mistakes or learning from other people's mistakes? Like, cause I like learning from other people's mistakes and not making them, or are you like, uh, I'll just find out on the road I'm on?

• 40:32Keke Palmer?

  It's both. And some people would say that I'm hard headed, but I just have to know. You know what I mean?

• 40:37Speaker 02

  So we're different, I don't know if it's the moon's rising or sinking, but we different in that way.

• 40:42Keke Palmer?

  No, because it is true, girl, I really, I really will like learn from other people. But then it's kind of like, well, I go through the experience similarly and I was like, well, I guess I had to live it to really know it, you know, it's like, because wisdom sometimes is coming from other people as opposed to your lived experience, and I think I'm always trying to make sure that I'm experiencing it and not just taking everybody's word for it, but sometimes you do need to take people's word for it.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  I'm a wisdom girl, I'm like, give me old time religion. I want to hear what they got to say, so I don't have to waste no money, I don't want to waste no time, like, I'm that. But you do have to learn on your own.

• 41:19Keke Palmer?

  But I think that's, I think that's the preferred route. It is, I even say that as somebody that does the other, that is the preferred route. Um, okay, let's talk about grossing over three hundred million with Minecraft.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 41:32Keke Palmer?

  That's next level.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  Girl, we're almost at a billion. We're almost at a billion.

• 41:38Keke Palmer?

  It's so hard to get people to go to the movie theaters.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:40Keke Palmer?

  You know, and watch anything, especially after obviously covid and all that, just everything that happened was horrible. So people don't really want to get out. You know what I mean? Success looks different these days for the theaters, but this, that's undeniable, like, success.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Yes, it is.

• 41:57Keke Palmer?

  You know what I'm saying? How's that experience been? I mean, this is also something that you could see with, I mean, you, this is, Freya could watch this, right?

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Yes, she did.

• 42:04Keke Palmer?

  See this with Freya, like, what is this like being a part of the family friendly world?

• 42:08Speaker 02

  It's been great to get to share it with more people, because being in certain shows like Orange is the Black or Peacemaker, everybody can't watch that, even me sometimes, I'm like, Jesus, help me.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  But to be in something that is so family friendly, like just now I had an interview for LA Times and it was at a restaurant and these three young girls came up to me and I was like, oh my god, the babies. And it's pretty cool, because I'm excited to see how that translates later in my career.

• 42:38Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Like how people are like, oh, that's the old lady from. I'm just curious on like how that will translate cuz then they'll tell their kids about, you know, my work and so but yeah, to be a part of Minecraft has been amazing.

• 42:53Keke Palmer?

  And you guys filmed it in New Zealand?

• 42:55Speaker 02

  We filmed it in New Zealand while I was in the midst of the Oscar campaigning. So it was and being a mom and a wife and all the things. Um, but that's the life I've always wanted, so I ain't complaining.

• 43:06Keke Palmer?

  That's period. Now, are you gonna let us know if we, if the rumors are true? Are we getting a Minecraft too? Like, can you drop that bomb?

• 43:14Speaker 02

  It's in the works from what I heard now. Until it got my butt on the plane and I'm in front of a green screen, I don't believe it till I see it.

• 43:24Keke Palmer?

  Girl, I know, that's right. I need the dotted line. I'm very serious on that too.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  I am, so until that happens.

• 43:30Keke Palmer?

  Now, what's with the whole Chicken Jacky thing?

• 43:32Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 43:33Keke Palmer?

  I was wondering if that was like a trigger word for the people that have played the game?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Oh, no, it's a good thing. It's like these kids are making it a game. I live. Girl, I went cuz my baby's going to K5 and we went to visit the school.

• 43:47Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  And the kids outside and they playing Chicken Jacky. And I'm like, they are literally saying Chicken Jacky, Chicken. I'm like, what is going on? I'm clueless. I'm in the movie and I'm clueless.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  I don't know what's happening, but I'm here for it.

• 44:05Keke Palmer?

  I know. It's so cool when people make stuff their own.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Have you been in that before? You like, I'm in this movie. Y'all love this. Y'all hyping this up, but I don't know what is.

• 44:14Keke Palmer?

  The main time that that happened to me was with Sorry to This Man.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Oh, I love that. I quote that all the time.

• 44:21Keke Palmer?

  And I was just like, guys, what was the big idea? You know what I mean? I was just sorry to the damn man. But everybody, you know, that was when that happened to me where I just, you know, it's sometimes stuff just tickles a funny bone or just get, you know.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  But you do that so well. Like, you are the queen of getting the, like, what'd you say? Funny bone, tickling the funny bone. Like, you are the queen of that.

• 44:43Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. I really received that and I really thank you. I love making people laugh.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  It's a skill. That is a skill.

• 44:49Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. Thank you.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's awesome.

• 44:52Keke Palmer?

  I can't wait till we do something together.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  I would love to mess something up with you.

• 44:57Keke Palmer?

  Girl.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Just drop in. You know what I'm saying? Give it to the kids. I don't know if they'd be ready.

• 45:03Keke Palmer?

  Give it to the kids.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  You know, maybe you and SZA need to add a third wheel. I'm just saying.

• 45:10Keke Palmer?

  Now, when we call you.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Just make sure they check right. Look, y'all numbers high too. Y'all Netflix number one and stuff over there.

• 45:18Keke Palmer?

  When I tell you, we went up to Sony, we were like, now it's time. Cut the check. The real one. Cause that last one that you gave us filming this movie in 21 days, what the hell was y'all doing? Girl.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:31Keke Palmer?

  And also you got Bad Guys too.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Bad Guys.

• 45:34Keke Palmer?

  Bad Guys too.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  And guess what?

• 45:37Keke Palmer?

  What?

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Your girl played a villain. I was bad.

• 45:40Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, how much fun was that?

• 45:43Speaker 02

  So much fun. I've never played a villain. Like, I've played likeable characters my entire career, so to finally be bad was so much fun. Like, my friends and family did it. We did a screening and they were shocked. They were like, oh my god, you were the bad one. I'm like, yeah.

• 45:58Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh. Now, have you gotten a chance to hang out with anybody? Cause you know how usually with the sounds, you don't get to do.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, we actually did. I spent some time with Sam Rockwell, who plays the wolf, the main character.

• 46:08Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so we're talking about Peacemakers, you mentioned as well, with John Cena. Now, I worked with John Cena once when I was a teenager, True Jackson VP, he came on the episode. This is back in his WWE days, when he was the, you can't see me. So, how is it working on that show?

• 46:24Speaker 02

  I love it. I love doing action. I like being like harnessed up and stuff. Like, I enjoy that stuff.

• 46:31Keke Palmer?

  That action world is so cool.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  It's so much fun. I'm just waiting for them to do this spinoff. Like, we've been talking about it. Waller spinoff, cause Amanda Waller is my mom and that's played by Viola Davis. And so, if we could get that on the screen and see more people of color in this comic book world. James Gunn, come on.

• 46:51Keke Palmer?

  And you know, I love him, James Gunn. And Viola's so awesome. She seems great to work with. I love her Instagram. Like, I love her social media. Like, she's funny as heck up on there.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  She's awesome. Love her.

• 47:00Keke Palmer?

  So, let's talk about your family life, because like you said, you're doing all this stuff, but then you have Dennis, your incredible husband.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  That's my husband.

• 47:07Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh. Now, where is he from? Is he a southern guy too?

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Brooklyn.

• 47:10Keke Palmer?

  Oh, New York too. You met him in New York?

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Yes, I did. Yes, honey, that's a story for you.

• 47:15Keke Palmer?

  Well, go ahead.

• 47:25Keke Palmer?

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• 48:10Keke Palmer?

  the next I've spun that screen around for a strength session or Pilates flow. My living room is serving boutique fitness studio realness without the judgmental looks from the one instructor. You know the one instructor. The personalization is next level too. Peloton IQ creates your personal workout roadmap with weekly recommendations, while our incredible instructor lineup means there's always someone to match whatever energy you're bringing that day. Together, they keep you moving toward your next breakthrough, whether that's crushing your first 5K or finally mastering those perfect planks. It's like having a fitness matchmaker who actually understands the assignment. Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go.

• 48:54Keke Palmer?

  Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread Plus at onepeloton.com. Time to level up your fitness journey from trying my best to looking like that.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I bring all the boys to the yard.

• 49:09Keke Palmer?

  And they're like?

• 49:10Speaker 02

  They're like, it's better than you are.

• 49:12Keke Palmer?

  You already know it.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  So, I basically did bring him to the yard. I had a game night at my house.

• 49:19Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  And I told my girlfriends, like, "Bring over guys that you think are worthy of being in my house. If they, you know, if you think they cool, then come on over." So he was there, like, the last one to come over, girl. And I had, like, cut my finger. And I was, like, playing damsel in distress. And he did the right thing. He was my knight in shining armor. I was like, "Can I wrap that for you?" I was like, "Yeah, go ahead, wrap it up." And so he wraps it for me. We get to talking or whatever, right? And then he's like, "You mind if I take out your trash?" Ah! And you know, people will come to your house, eat your food and drink your drink and don't do nothing.

• 49:57Keke Palmer?

  He said, "You mind if I take out your trash?"

• 49:59Speaker 02

  I literally said, "Do you have a job?" He said, "Yes." I said, "You have children?" He said, "No." I said, "Are you married?" He said, "No." I said, "Here you go." Here. And I gave him my phone. And we talked that night to I don't know what time. And the next day, Kiki! The next day, this man delivered flowers to my house.

• 50:22Keke Palmer?

  No, he didn't!

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Yes, he did. And I said, "If this bouquet of flowers is from that man, that is my husband." You know, I opened that card. And it said, "From Dennis." And I got them butterflies in my stomach.

• 50:36Keke Palmer?

  I got them too!

• 50:37Speaker 02

  And I said, "This is my husband. This is my husband. I'm getting married." I was married now. Girl, I got married to him.

• 50:45Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, because I play those games with myself too. Like, if X, Y, and Z happens, then he's the one. It never happens for me. But it was right for you.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  It was right for me.

• 50:55Keke Palmer?

  And I'm thrilled, girl! Yes to Dennis! And now you guys have Freya.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  We have Freya.

• 51:03Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, babe, this is incredible.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 51:06Keke Palmer?

  So tell me about Freya. I mean, I know she, other than her getting lemonade drunk, you know, she's... What's her personality like? And how has she impacted you?

• 51:15Speaker 02

  Girl, that girl's got more personality to... than both of us put together.

• 51:20Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  She is one of one, okay? Um, super smart, uh, super talented. She plays electric guitar. She's in gymnastics and dance, like.

• 51:29Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. So just like her mama.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  I'm structuring this. I'm making sure that she has options when she gets older. Um, but she's just really, really awesome.

• 51:38Keke Palmer?

  Does she have Dennis wrapped around her finger? Does she have you wrapped around? Like, what do y'all, like, who's the good cop? Who's the bad cop?

• 51:43Speaker 02

  I'm good cop. He's bad cop. Cause I don't know. I'm learning how to be a bad cop. Do you? Because I'm like, just let the kid do what they do.

• 51:52Keke Palmer?

  I'm one thousand percent bad cop.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Oh, you like, uh-uh, don't you touch that?

• 51:56Keke Palmer?

  I'm like both because it's like, I'm like bad cop and I'm the person that he calls when he wants me to get somebody else. He always wants me to cuss somebody out.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Oh, no, he's like, mommy.

• 52:05Keke Palmer?

  Mama, mama, get.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 52:07Keke Palmer?

  And I'm like, what's up?

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 52:09Keke Palmer?

  That's when he calls me. And when he, you know, he's in trouble, then I'm like, you need to get, no!

• 52:15Speaker 02

  That's how y'all running it over there, see? My husband is the you need to get. And I'm trying to be like, but I remember when Freya was about your baby's age. And I tried to do that mean mama face. She laughed in my face.

• 52:28Keke Palmer?

  Leo has laughed at me too.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Isn't that the worst?

• 52:30Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, he has. He has.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  And you gotta turn your back like.

• 52:33Keke Palmer?

  Cause I'm laughing too now.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  That's what it is.

• 52:35Keke Palmer?

  Yeah. It happens. But after a while, you just gotta ra- I raised, raised the tempo.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Okay. I learned the bass.

• 52:41Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, I was like, yeah.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, bass.

• 52:43Keke Palmer?

  He switched it up.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:45Keke Palmer?

  You know, but he's, you know, these little boys, child. Now, this is interesting because on the Today Show, you talked about wanting to protect Freya's childlike spirit in a world that condemned, like, especially for young black girls. And I think you, it's probably the same for you. Like, it makes me think back on my parents now, being a mom. Raising my son. And I'm thinking, damn, these are all the things that they were thinking about. Yeah, so like, do you talk to them about it? Um, you know, how do you handle like figuring out how to like make them aware? You know, Freya or for me, Leotis, without, you know, dampening their experience. I mean, they're just kids.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  They are just kids. And I think for me, first of all, like, I go back to how I was raised. And that's one partial reason why we named her Freya. My husband came up with the name, but I was like, yes, yes, yes, because I didn't really get a lot of freedom. Growing up, my parents were very restrictive of me and

• 53:37Keke Palmer?

  Beautiful name.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  Thank you, for good reason they were, but I know it was because they were trying to, they they didn't have control when they were growing up. Um, with things that they saw in the household. And so my parents was like, when we have kids, we gonna make sure y'all in line. But that stopped us from doing a lot.

• 53:56Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  And so now that I have her, I want her to have the freedom that I didn't have, still understand structure, still have morals. But allow her to really get to live, you know, make mistakes. I think it's safe and good to do that. So I'm trying to make sure that I raise her that way and giving her the name. Now it has backfired on me now.

• 54:21Keke Palmer?

  She's like, I'm free, yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  You cannot name your child free and I think she not gonna be free. She is very free. So that has been hard to be like, sit down, you know, but we I think we're doing a good job.

• 54:35Keke Palmer?

  That's a beautiful thing. I think that's so big, the ability to make mistakes, because I think especially for when we're talking about our upbringing and just all the sacrifices, sometimes like, it's a great thing to become and want to be undeniable. But it's also hard because it's like, damn, sometimes you just wanna be able to just maybe not be great all the time. But it becomes a birthright when we're trying, we're up against so much and generational, you know, structures where it's like, I gotta be great. So it is awesome to create that space for our kids was like, just be who you is. And let that be enough, you know, and when you feel like being great, be great. And when you feel like playing it cool, play it cool, you know. Um, you also said something awesome in a L about, and I relate to this as well, not seeing a lot of people like yourself in Hollywood.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 55:18Keke Palmer?

  Which is, I mean, true, whether it's being black, different sizes, I mean, the list goes on when there's a lack of nuance with women of color. But how did you learn to become what you wanted to see? Because sometimes we get to these positions and a lot of people are like, well, now it's time to change. You know, I mean, obviously, growth is real, you can evolve, but like, how did you know, like, I can, I'm successful and I'm gonna remain successful being who I am.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Orange is the new black, hands down. Because when we were on that show, we had no makeup on, natural hair, no Spanx and heels to be cute, none of that. We were ourselves and people fell in love with who we were. And that was our first introduction to the industry. So that alone showed me I'm enough. So that's how I wanted to go throughout the rest of my career, being enough, being me. Now will I change up now, can get a little sexy on you now?

• 56:09Keke Palmer?

  Okay, cuz clearly.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  You know, I'll put a little something on him, you know. But, but even in that, making sure that I remain myself and not trying to, you know, have some drastic weight loss or, you know, I damn sure ain't gonna bleach my skin. So I have to be happy with the person I am and I am happy with the person that I am.

• 56:33Keke Palmer?

  I love that. I love that. I feel that and I appreciate you for being that. Yeah, seriously. Now I wanna play a little game called One for the Brooks.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Ooh, I like games.

• 56:43Keke Palmer?

  You know, a little play on one for the books. Well, you know her from The Color Purple, you know her from Orange is the New Black. It is the Danielle Brooks and I wanna play a game with you, taking us back to your theater roots. Well, we're gonna take a couple of odd scenarios and perform them with that fervor, with that drama, with everything we need for the stage.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Yes, ma'am.

• 57:02Keke Palmer?

  So this is going back to your theater roots. I'm gonna give you a scenario, I'm gonna give you a phrase and you gotta say it with drama, okay? So for instance.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Do I look in a camera or do I just say it to you?

• 57:12Keke Palmer?

  You can perform it out.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  However, I want.

• 57:14Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, perform it out, yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  I don't know how much more room I got now. Give me the structures.

• 57:19Keke Palmer?

  So the first phrase is, "I have to go feed my dog." However, I want you to say it like you're leaving a toxic relationship. The line is, "I have to go feed my dog." Ready, set, uh, cameras rolling and action.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  I have to go feed my dog.

• 57:46Keke Palmer?

  That [__] is that?

• 57:49Keke Palmer?

  Girl! I know how, now this is why directors have to cast the right people. Because I didn't even do anything.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Girl, give me my next job, let's go!

• 57:59Keke Palmer?

  When a director has the right actor, all you gotta do is say yeah too and give me a little sass or give me a little unhype, but give me a little, you were meaned!

• 58:07Speaker 02

  Thank you, girl!

• 58:08Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh!

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Okay, your turn!

• 58:10Keke Palmer?

  Here we go.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Okay, so I just choose whichever one that's, okay.

• 58:13Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, that you feel.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Take a super boring line and perform it like it's the climax of a Broadway musical. This Uber is six minutes away and I can't survive.

• 58:27Keke Palmer?

  This Uber is six minutes away and I can't survive it!

• 58:35Speaker 02

  Yes! That was giving the 11 o'clock number, my friend! My friend! Yes! I can't survive!

• 58:49Keke Palmer?

  Yes! You better round that note out! Now you gave it a proper ending!

• 58:56Speaker 02

  You know!

• 58:57Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 58:58Speaker 02

  That's when that curtain goes down.

• 59:00Keke Palmer?

  Okay, and then when they go to the concession stand, we're getting ready for act two.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:04Keke Palmer?

  Okay. Take a basic grocery store receipt.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Okay, oh god, what is this about to be?

• 59:12Keke Palmer?

  I'm about to be in the Big Comfy Couch, you remember that show? Y'all know. Did I smash it? Oh, I sat on it. Guess what? They said they need a receipt, I got one.

• 59:21Speaker 02

  Oh, right!

• 59:22Keke Palmer?

  I'll let you choose. You can read it either like a regretful ballad, or you can do it like a spoken word breakdown, a la "For Colored Girls."

• 59:33Keke Palmer?

  Both are so specific.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  They are.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Bevmo, 1775, North Victory Place, Burbank, California. Cash register, cash register, cash, register cashier, Kaylee. I bought on this beautiful day at Store 88. I don't see nothing on this receipt that, oh, I do.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  I bought Tito's vodka Modelo Especial for $31.99. $31.99 because my soul felt that I needed some spirits to get me through. And all I had on me was $58.76, but that's all I needed to get my vodka Espiallo Modelo that I clearly don't know how to say. I'm saying it all wrong.

• 1:00:36Keke Palmer?

  Girl, you, I hate that I missed you on Broadway. Because when I'm telling you that I'm in trance, it's enchanting to watch you perform.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  Thank you, girl.

• 1:00:48Keke Palmer?

  Live. Girl, that gave me everything that's a damn receipt.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  You're so crazy.

• 1:00:53Keke Palmer?

  And you made that feel like a stage play.

• 1:00:57Keke Palmer?

  Your ass is good.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Thank you, girl.

• 1:01:01Keke Palmer?

  Okay, that's all I got on mine.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Okay, now I got one for you.

• 1:01:04Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Okay. Oui. Oh, boy. Okay, okay. Color Purple Remix. Take an iconic line, maybe like "All my life I had to fight", and change it to the style of a Disney princess song.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Or if you want, you could do a dramatic soap opera monologue with "All my life I've had to fight".

• 1:01:35Keke Palmer?

  I mean, if it's a Disney princess, it could be as simple as, "All my life I had to fight", you know, but if we went the other way, then it's like...

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  No, we need to lean into that.

• 1:01:47Keke Palmer?

  "I never knew what this would be like."

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:51Keke Palmer?

  "All my life I knew my worth, but never did I know what it would cost me. All my life I had to fight, fight. All my life I had to fight, fight. All my life I've had to fight."

• 1:02:18Keke Palmer?

  That was so good. The Nick adaptation, you have to play Sofia.

• 1:02:28Keke Palmer?

  You have to. When I tell you, this was so much fun.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  This was so much fun.

• 1:02:33Keke Palmer?

  I so appreciate you for coming to the show today.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me on your show. I'm honored, just so honored.

• 1:02:40Keke Palmer?

  Thank you. Thanks, Kiki.

• 1:02:45Keke Palmer?

  Danielle's journey is full of powerful through lines. From the way her community lifted her, all the way to Juilliard, to stepping into her strength in The Color Purple, to giving her daughter the kind of freedom she didn't always have. We've all had those moments that stretch us before we feel ready. The key is to lean in and just leap. And Danielle did, and I'm rooting for her. As always, baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 1:03:19Keke Palmer?

  Baby, This is Keke Palmer is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Segal is our post producer. Our producers are Lauren Hampton and Molly Nester. Hillary Esti McLaughlin is our executive producer. Production services provided by Evolution Media. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer. For Team Kiki, my producer is Sharon Palmer. For Wondery, our managing producer is Olivia Fonte. Senior managing producer is Nick Ryan. And our executive producers are Emily Feldbrake, Aaron O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louie.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

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• 1:04:39Speaker 03

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• 1:04:57Speaker 04

  Hi, I'm Kenya Beres.

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  And I'm Malcolm Gladwell. We're back for season two of our Audible original podcast, The Unusual Suspects.

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  We'll sit down with extraordinary guests from the worlds of art, film, literature, comedy and wellness to hear from their unexpected stories of success.

• 1:05:11Speaker 05

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• 1:05:28Speaker 04

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