PART 1 : Immaculate Constellation : UFO Whistleblower Goes Public - Matthew Brown

In 2024, an enigmatic term began to percolate among a small group of UAP investigators. The name was "Immaculate Constellation." Anyone who dared to even utter that term would put their own lives at risk, according to persons familiar with the program. "ImCon”, the abbreviated version of the term, was brought to the attention of Congress. Members were told it was a cover term for an Unacknowledged Special Access Program housed within the executive branch, specifically under the control of the White House. ImCon was supposedly a highly secretive program that relied on artificial intelligence to secretly scour classified servers used by the U. S. military and its intelligence agencies to search for and snatch images of UAP encounters. A report about ImCon, written by an unknown policy advisor, was provided to Congress by Jeremy Corbell months prior to the start of a 2024 public hearing before a House subcommittee. The anonymous author of the report, who had been surreptitiously introduced to key House members by Corbell, had indicated he was willing to testify if requested to do so. A very curious series of events unfolded at the hearing, but in the end, the source of the Immaculate Constellation report was largely ignored, and the origin of the report itself was grossly distorted by members. A spokesperson for the Pentagon denied that any program by that name had ever existed within the Department of Defense. After many months of excruciating discussion and debate, the author of the ImCon report is now ready to reveal what he knows, how he knows it, and who he is. In this episode of WEAPONIZED (Part 1 of 3), Jeremy and George speak face-to-face with the previously anonymous source of the ImCon report. The person who wrote the report explains where he worked and in what capacities, how he was first exposed to the term Immaculate Constellation, and why he made the decision to come forward, in spite of what could be very serious repercussions. WATCH PART 1 HERE : ⁠https://youtu.be/ZAxI-LDrDqA⁠ WATCH PART 2 HERE : ⁠⁠https://youtu.be/4n_bRtnIP14⁠⁠ WATCH PART 3 HERE : ⁠⁠https://youtu.be/PtBVAxoHeaY⁠⁠ GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠[email protected]⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:27George Knapp?

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• 0:43Speaker 03

  And we will hear testimony today concerning recent revelations about a purportedly secret UAP program whose existence and findings may have been improperly withheld from Congress. This is going to be the original document about Immaculate Constellation.

• 1:00Speaker 04

  Those of us who've been following this very closely have been hearing whispers of the words "Immaculate Constellation" for a few months now.

• 1:07Jeremy Corbell?

  The Immaculate Constellation? It's a UAP reconnaissance program? I can affirm this 100%.

• 1:14Speaker 04

  What is in here is wild. I mean, they're, I'm paraphrasing, but reports of F-22s getting like boxed in by flying orbs that they couldn't shake. There were satellite images or satellite image of a football field-sized flying saucer hiding in clouds.

• 1:28Jeremy Corbell?

  I have personally walked people into members' offices for private meetings so they could see eye to eye and they could meet. You are the author of what the world knows as the Immaculate Constellation Report.

• 1:42Speaker 06

  It has been allowed to corrupt and infest every aspect of our society to serve the interests and whims of a very elite, select few.

• 2:00Speaker 07

  The following is an interview with the author of the Immaculate Constellation Report that was submitted into Congressional Record.

• 2:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Is it ironic you have to put your face out with us to protect yourself at this point? That's what we're doing, right? Yeah, that's what we're doing.

• 2:15Speaker 06

  This is absolutely what I did not want to do. You've worked in secret programs. You've got clearances. You've made oaths that you would keep secrets. Let's talk about secrecy and the UAP topic. Shouldn't it be secret to some degree? I mean, we have, there's a race for the technology to try to understand it. We have adversary nations who'd love to get it ahead of us. Why not keep this stuff secret? Well, if it was just technology that we are worried about protecting and maintaining a military advantage, you know, there's strong arguments to be made and have successfully been made for decades in this country that the American leadership and American people

• 2:57Speaker 06

  seem to be finding acceptable to be left in the dark about, you know, where science, technology, and their military is taking them. This isn't just technology. This isn't something somebody came up with in a lab and it's sensitive because once the cats have the bag, anybody can do it. Fundamentally, this comes from, and is secondary to, what we've been told is the biggest question, which is, is humanity alone? The answer is no. And the secrecy that has been defended is at the cost of, in my mind, human dignity, freedom, and progress.

• 3:36Speaker 06

  And it is no longer permissible or acceptable, in my mind, to continue this course, to deprive another generation of not just Americans, but humanity, with their birthright to know who they are, where they came from, and what's with us. Can you give us a general description of the size of the secrecy apparatus? You know, we're going to drill down to this, of course, about in-con, in a...

• 4:03Jeremy Corbell?

  One particular facet of the secrecy that you came across and other parts of it. But how big of a secrecy apparatus is it? How many stovepipes are there? How many people are involved in different ways of keeping this secret? Confusing the public, lying to Congress, lying to the world?

• 4:20Speaker 06

  Simply put, it's a parallel reality. The secrecy apparatus is all pervasive. It is not just in the intelligence community governing their world. It's not just in the military protecting their operations. It's not protecting diplomats and leaders as they conduct their work, sometimes in very dangerous places. It has been allowed to corrupt and infest every aspect of our society to serve the interests and whims of a very elite, select few.

• 4:54Jeremy Corbell?

  And it's been used to intimidate, threaten, destroy the lives of people like yourselves who have been doing their job, keeping their oaths, trying to protect their country, being true to humanity and have paid praises for it.

• 5:09Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 5:13Jeremy Corbell?

  This has been a difficult process for you, for me and you, you know, kind of going through this. I've seen what you've gone through personally with this. You're taking a personal hit, like a painful risk, just talking to us, just doing this finally after all this time. I think I understand why. You're explaining something philosophical, what you believe about the secrecy, just personally, like what is the step for you to do this? Like, why? I need to understand why. Why are you telling this to everybody? Now. Now.

• 5:51Speaker 06

  There's no short answer. It's something, you know, I have many, not even competing, but parallel motivations. But why now?

• 6:07Speaker 06

  Look out at the world.

• 6:10Speaker 06

  Look inside our country. We are not

• 6:15Speaker 06

  headed to a good future.

• 6:18George Knapp?

  You're concerned.

• 6:19Speaker 06

  I am.

• 6:20George Knapp?

  Explain the concern.

• 6:25Speaker 06

  Ultimately, my biggest fear is what humanity will do to itself out of fear and greed and what we have done. And

• 6:37Speaker 06

  we have built

• 6:40Speaker 06

  a prison around ourselves. It's invisible, but it's not complete. And there is still time to maybe alter our trajectory, have a different future. May not be the best one that we had hoped for, but it's going to be damn sight better than what they have planned for us.

• 7:00George Knapp?

  You know, there's no going back. After you tell us this on camera, we had this conversation. There's this is it. This is the line in the sand. You're about to cross over here.

• 7:09Speaker 06

  Absolutely. I am on a personal level giving up the future that I made for myself and was going to try to make for a family.

• 7:22Speaker 06

  I'm proud of what I accomplished in my time in government. And it's painful to leave the good people there and to know that

• 7:33Speaker 06

  there really isn't room for people to act according to their conscience and our constitutional ideals on the inside.

• 7:43George Knapp?

  Is it your belief based on materials, things that you've been exposed to, that you've seen, people you've talked to and communicated with over a period of a couple of years? Is your belief that this, the technology, the race for the technology, the understanding of the big

• 7:57Jeremy Corbell?

  Secret is entirely in the hands of people outside the government and not for the benefit of the public or to protect American national security. It's it's in some other realm in some other hands.

• 8:10Speaker 06

  Think it's a mix. I think our military has a long historic involvement in this. So does our intelligence community and our scientific academic community. We have as a country allowed ourselves to be penetrated, co-opted and corrupted by an internationalist

• 8:31Speaker 06

  force that serves their interests and views nations, peoples as as tools and means to an end.

• 8:41Jeremy Corbell?

  Like a business cabal, international corporations that have no loyalty to any nation, let alone this one.

• 8:47Speaker 06

  That's a large part of it. I think we go have to go above that, too, to start to explain that the degree of the level of deception and the level of commitment they've had to maintaining that deception. It's above just monetary gain and power. They're afraid.

• 9:05Jeremy Corbell?

  George and I have talked about whistleblowers that come to us and we protect them. We don't often report on when people come to us. We're doing this now. You know, what are the repercussions? People talk about whistleblowers being afraid. And there's one set of being afraid, which is when you're squeezed by outside entities, you know, that are fucking with you, which has happened to you, and we'll talk about that. But what are the just the legal implications of what you're about to talk to us today? Tell me the gravity right now. What are you facing? I want our audience to understand what it means for you to talk to us right now. What could happen to you?

• 9:41Speaker 06

  My hope is that the stakes are not paid out, but they are life imprisonment and the possibility of execution.

• 9:55Jeremy Corbell?

  And you've tried all the right ways. I've helped you on some of it. We've tried, you have tried all the right ways to do this, but you have something much bigger that is pushing on you that you have to take this next step forward. And so now I just want people to understand where you're coming from. We say we protect whistleblowers when people come to us. Not everybody goes on camera, but also just you work currently in Department of State, but maybe he should tell us his history. Yeah, let's do a chronological.

• 10:25Speaker 06

  Well, you got a degree in what? Uh, so I got a degree in international affairs. Came out to DC, started working in a small think tank. Uh, from there, I, uh, applied to and was accepted to a intelligence agency. Ended up taking a job, uh, at the, at the Pentagon. Um, basically waiting for the right opportunity for that world to, to pop up. What was? Which when it did, uh, I, you know, was having too much fun, uh, so I said no. You're in the Pentagon. Weapons of mass destruction is a general umbrella under which you're, you're working. Did you got a security clearance at that point?

• 11:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, I had been cleared, uh, by DIA for a top secret, uh, SCI clearance. You get to see, I guess firsthand, all this different information that comes in from all over these places, different platforms and right? Mm hmm. You're exposed to that and you get an idea of just how big that apparatus is. Yes, yes, absolutely.

• 11:28Speaker 06

  UFOs and aliens aside, it's a, it, it's a different world without anything exotic in it. When you are exposed and to that information and learning over time, not just from the intelligence, but the experiences of the people around you, cause, uh, not everything that's true and has happened in the world is written down on paper.

• 11:46Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, you're given a lot of roles and responsibilities. It gives you access to very sensitive information. When you said SCI, that's secret compartmentalized information is the acronym.

• 11:55Speaker 06

  Sensitive compartmentalized information. I always.

• 11:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, that's probably right.

• 11:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:59Jeremy Corbell?

  So you know about me, but I'm just saying, you know, you are a sane human being. You're given a lot of these responsibilities. Um, you know, you, I, I just think it's important for people to understand. So you have access to very critical information through the United States government that's separate from the UFOs and the alien, you know, topic that we're going to talk about.

• 12:21Speaker 06

  For the world.

• 12:21Jeremy Corbell?

  For the world.

• 12:22Speaker 06

  The US and the world. Yes.

• 12:23Jeremy Corbell?

  And, and that weighs heavy on you, I'm sure. Like you're, you're really looking to defend the United States of America where you live. And you are looking at information that is just highly sensitive. I think it's important for people to know, good people like you doing great jobs in there. You had access and responsibilities. People trust you. We, that, that's, you can't get there without that.

• 12:44Speaker 06

  It is, um, yeah, it's a very.

• 12:50Speaker 06

  Burdensome rule, I feel deeply for the people who have been there for many years. A lot of hidden suffering that comes from it, but it is a, you know, I thought it was a noble and good mission. I still do. And risks, I imagine there's all kinds of information that comes across your desk and that desk of other people you're working with at that point about weapons of mass destruction, the movement of nuclear weapons, or suddenly material that disappears and where did it go, black market, biological weapons research, things that are going on around the world that we need to keep an eye on, right? Yeah. And things that never make the news.

• 13:29Speaker 06

  You're absolutely right, yeah. There, there is, like I said, there is a whole, many, there's many worlds, there's many shells to our reality that the public, including our professional media class, our professional academic class, our political class has absolutely no idea exists. And if they do have an idea, they have a very distorted one, sometimes intentionally so.

• 13:55Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, you're not like some secret agent, you're not like some CIA secret agent. So like, so people understand when you're working in, at the Pentagon is where we're at in the thing. I mean, this is, we have a lot of great people that are bright minded, working on these problems for the United States, keeping the United States safe, looking at geopolitical aspects of nuclear weaponry, that kind of thing. But just to be clear, I mean, you're not some secret agent with more access than anybody else or anything like that.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  No, I never wanted to be a field officer. I danced with the idea in my dreams, maybe, and read the books, but I knew that wasn't for me. Especially the, the task and the cost of befriending and manipulating and ultimately using people. I don't think I would have been very good at that.

• 14:43Jeremy Corbell?

  Like human, human intelligence.

• 14:45Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 14:46Jeremy Corbell?

  And yeah, false friendship.

• 14:47Speaker 06

  Exactly. Does that stuff come across your desk? Human intelligence, signals intelligence, regarding weapons of mass destruction? All sources. All sources intelligent. All sources of intelligence. And if there are questions, go ask them and usually get the answers. And the kinds of things that you see that come across your desk, does it give you?

• 15:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Pause. How am I gonna sleep tonight knowing that this XYZ is going on somewhere?

• 15:11Jeremy Corbell?

  At times when they think, oh, we crap. How did this happen?

• 15:13Speaker 06

  Everyone has like their different standard of what's going to, you know, shake them like that. I've definitely had a few of those.

• 15:22Speaker 06

  I won't share them, but.

• 15:23Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, but I mean, just with security, national security kind of stuff.

• 15:26Speaker 06

  Right. Stuff unrelated to exotic things that are very.

• 15:29Jeremy Corbell?

  This world out there. Okay, you're there for a while. You do that for how many years?

• 15:34Speaker 06

  Oh, see, I was in there a little over four years, but I was in the Pentagon a little over five. Cause I moved out of there briefly into the undersecretary of defense for intelligence. And a smaller office in there.

• 15:48Jeremy Corbell?

  We've heard of that office. We have heard of that office. Um, what was a different sort of work or the same thing, just for a different boss?

• 15:54Speaker 06

  Same field, uh, different work, different boss, different community.

• 15:59Jeremy Corbell?

  So you're working for a contractor, but you're working at the Pentagon on Pentagon business. And that's sort of a model that is used for all kinds of programs, right?

• 16:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, um, that's, that's the industry in DC.

• 16:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Is that to have a buffer of some sort? Why, why is, why is that?

• 16:15Speaker 06

  Well, you have government management and they're supposed to be the ones that, you know, they sign the checks, make the final decisions. But yet most of the staff is contractors, military people on detail. People on fellowships from, you know, either think tanks or universities.

• 16:32Jeremy Corbell?

  Um, so you get to be familiar with stovepipes and how, you know, you could be working on this. And the guy may be in the office next to you or the desk next to you is working on something else. And you don't know what they're working on.

• 16:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, it can be that way. Uh, my experience was more that we had a team. It was all more or less on the same information level, but then there'd be other teams that, yeah, they have their own. So it's not quite, uh, as isolated. I've heard from others, it can be just, you know, it's you and no one else around you knows what you're doing.

• 17:01Jeremy Corbell?

  You, you got a company, it's a contractor that's working there in the Pentagon. How much oversight is there from the actual Pentagon, the military of a contractor's work?

• 17:10Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, the day to day is overseen by the government. So, uh, in that sense, it's, it's there.

• 17:18Jeremy Corbell?

  And is that generally true for all the contractor programs that we'll be getting into later? Somebody in the military at our IC is is looking at what that contractor does.

• 17:27Speaker 06

  No, I couldn't say.

• 17:28Jeremy Corbell?

  Right?

• 17:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, I could not say.

• 17:31Jeremy Corbell?

  We got the the one degree and then you you went on to try to get a masters.

• 17:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, I went to George Washington University Masters of Security Policy Study. Got to the point where I had a thesis to submit. And then I started working at the Pentagon, took a break and kind of got caught up in the churn as the term is.

• 17:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Right, I'm curious about just what it's like to work at the Pentagon. I mean, to think you're driving to work. There it is, the heart and soul of the national security of our country. You're doing important work, weapons of mass destruction in the biggest office building in the world. I would think it'd be a lot of satisfaction in that, but I wonder what day to day is like. Are you under surveillance? Do you have to do polygraphs? Can you tell your wife what you're doing? Do you socialize with colleagues or do you have to worry about what you say to whom and where?

• 18:23Speaker 00

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• 18:49George Knapp?

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• 19:02Speaker 02

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• 19:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I mean, started with the first part.

• 19:09Speaker 06

  I think for me at least, yeah, it was.

• 19:13Speaker 06

  I finally made it, right? I'm at I'm working at the Pentagon. I it's cheesy, but I felt pride pretty much every single day that I rolled in there.

• 19:23Jeremy Corbell?

  That's not cheesy.

• 19:24Speaker 06

  And it was, I was very fortunate to join a an office that cared a lot about their people, not just their performance at work, but their goals, their desires and how they were getting on with life in general.

• 19:43Speaker 06

  Fewer places are like that, um, but I look back on that time with a lot of, with a lot of happiness.

• 19:50George Knapp?

  How do things begin to sour? Is it because of this topic that we're going to discuss?

• 19:54Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 19:55George Knapp?

  Let's take it from there. When, when does that start? What, what's your first exposure?

• 20:00Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, were you like a UFO guy like before? I mean, like there's something that happened and there was an instigator, right? But it's like, um, you know, were you like a UFO guy all your years back or?

• 20:12Speaker 06

  Uh, to some degree, I've always been interested in aliens and UFOs, uh, secret histories, the things that are hidden from us. It's been a lifelong kind of passion. It's not always aliens, you know?

• 20:25Speaker 06

  While I was always interested in these things, they were never, they were only a realm of possible. And when I looked at UFOs in a serious way, as I was more, uh, in my like college years. And I got just not exposure, but, uh, I started learning about the sort of ecosystem of secrecy, uh, in the military industrial complex. What saps are, what caps are, and you, you, you start to realize like, oh yeah, there, there's a good chance a lot of what these UFO things are. Some really cool stuff that we have, uh, whether it's in the air, under the water, or, uh, right in front of you.

• 21:03George Knapp?

  You're not getting a job at the Pentagon because you want to get access to the UFO scene.

• 21:06Speaker 06

  No, no. When I joined, I thought, uh, you know, I pretty much locked down that, you know, there might be life out there, but most, I think. Most of what we're seeing in the skies at that time, I thought was either ours or, uh, ally or adversary.

• 21:21George Knapp?

  You don't go over the deep end. You're not going to MUFON conferences. Uh, you're not wearing a beanie and alien stuff on your head.

• 21:26Speaker 06

  No, no. In fact, uh, you know, I would be looked at like I had a third eye just by suggesting there were stealth satellites.

• 21:34Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, in fact, like you've never been to like a UFO conference or anything like that, have you?

• 21:38Speaker 06

  No.

• 21:38Jeremy Corbell?

  Right. That's not your style.

• 21:40Speaker 06

  No.

• 21:40Jeremy Corbell?

  You're a very analytically minded person. It's something I've, I've learned. Um, I bet you're fucking really good at your job. Because just the way our communications, the way you deep dive into research, that's a talent to be able to pull a lot, big source information, all source information. And kind of come to conclusions you, that you, that is one of your skill sets.

• 21:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, absolutely. Um.

• 22:01George Knapp?

  Did you ever work nine to five? Because you're kind of a workaholic, right?

• 22:04Speaker 07

  And you go over the top.

• 22:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, um, you know, I really liked the Pentagon. I learned an immense amount there and I would stay there till the wee hours of the morning.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  Learning.

• 22:17Speaker 07

  Which is also how you found out information about the topic, topic we're in the discussion.

• 22:22Speaker 06

  I delved too deeply.

• 22:24Speaker 07

  And you came across this sort of accident?

• 22:26Speaker 06

  Hundred percent accidentally. Uh, well, sorry.

• 22:31Speaker 06

  The Immaculate Constellation piece of this hundred percent accidentally. Before I was exposed to that, you know, I had seen UAP on military videos in the Pentagon.

• 22:43Speaker 06

  But nothing that suggested.

• 22:47Speaker 06

  You know, origin. Intent. Or in the level of detail that, you know, I came to find later.

• 22:54Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, how, so explain that to the average, like, how do you just come across UFO videos in the Pentagon? What does that mean?

• 23:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:00Jeremy Corbell?

  What, tell somebody who has no idea how that happens.

• 23:05Speaker 06

  So you have a clearance. And there's a secret internet. And on that secret internet, there's just a generic access like you and I. Uh, it's all very secret sensitive stuff, but more or less everyone can look at what's on there. Then, you know, you have on this secret internet.

• 23:28Speaker 06

  Some compartmentation, light compartmentation. Uh, as it were. And then there's entirely different systems for truly, truly sensitive stuff. But the point is, is that there is essentially, you know, a shared, a shared community of knowledge. And it goes back. You know, just like our own internet, it goes back over decades.

• 23:50Speaker 07

  If you have a top secret clearance, you go on J Wix, you can pretty much go and see whatever is on there, except for special compartmentalized stuff.

• 23:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, pretty much, or things that, you know, are just, uh, people protect their business processes.

• 24:04Speaker 07

  So who would be putting UFO type or UAP video?

• 24:08George Knapp?

  Videos on there. How does that happen? How do they end up there?

• 24:11Speaker 06

  Uh, service members and intelligence officers uh who for one reason or another uh decided to put that footage there.

• 24:21Jeremy Corbell?

  What's the first UFO video you see? What what'd you think of it? Or military film footage of a UFO? What what did you uh? What was that like?

• 24:32Speaker 06

  Well, technically, the first true like military footage was that I saw uh was that Tic Tac video and the Go Fast video. And um I think there is one other else uh the Gimbal video that all came out in 2017. Um granted, I didn't see those on military systems, but just being uh precise here.

• 24:53Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 24:54Speaker 06

  Um and so things that I saw after that kind of looked like all that, but just uh much more duration. Uh the videos. You know, it's the internet, uh whether it's secret or not. There's compression, there's upload and file sizes, so some things are crystal clear, but it's only 15 seconds. Um some things you can see 45 minutes of something moving around, but it's kind of blurry because that's a lot of data.

• 25:18Jeremy Corbell?

  So you've seen crystal clear at times um videos of what appear to be, would you say, um non-human intelligence-made crap? I mean, what you see evidence that the the rest of the world doesn't get to see that starts happening?

• 25:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, um. Nothing in those videos necessarily proves it's extraterrestrial or non-human. It certainly is anomalous, exotic and unexplainable.

• 25:42George Knapp?

  And advanced.

• 25:44Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 25:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Beyond our capabilities that you know of?

• 25:47Speaker 06

  I don't know. Some of it might have might have been our with with in our capabilities to replicate even in an inferior manner. But quite a lot of it um is, you know, it's either something else or uh we live in a world where we have been left behind.

• 26:06George Knapp?

  2017, these stories come out, New York Times and other media, the videos become known, that sparked your curiosity.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  Curiosity and you start looking around for that kind of stuff or it would just come across your desk and in front of your eyes naturally? Yeah, so not looking for that stuff.

• 26:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Did you have access to live feeds?

• 26:24Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 26:25Jeremy Corbell?

  So live feeds, real time, you could go into like a Reaper drone and see if there's something going on? Just, I mean, not that you're specifically looking for UFOs, but you had access even to live feeds?

• 26:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, um, you know, not anything special, no special access, but you know, you, you know where those resources are, you can go look at them and I did.

• 26:48Speaker 06

  I want to go back to this. You said with these nuclear facilities, nuclear weapons, nuclear labs, nuclear power plants, that within a year or two, like, are you saying all of them get visited? Or are there some strange phenomena? I can't say that they all do, but I would, I would suspect that, you know, anything that is

• 27:09Speaker 06

  sufficiently nuclear will draw attention at some point and will be, uh, they will be encountering. And what are they? What, what are you seeing? What, what kinds of things are you seeing? So, I mean, nothing too dramatic when it comes to like these facilities. A lot of times it's, it's orbs of, uh, you know, it's hard to always judge the size, but I'd be surprised if it's bigger than a Cessna, probably something somewhere in between. Um, whether it's white or silverish, or if you're looking through different sensor apparatus, uh, it'll, you know, look like whatever hot or cold is, uh, um, but usually orbs around these facilities, sometimes things that look a bit more irregular, but the vast majority being orbs.

• 27:54Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, the world's been exposed to some of this. There's been a clarification to the general public about what are you seeing when you're seeing infrared or FLIR? It takes some translation. There are people that focus on that and like they can read that, but basically, um, you're looking at things that don't have flight control surfaces, that don't have traditional propulsion. They seem to tag along, which we've heard forever with nuclear events, that kind of thing, nuclear structure. Um, but you, you, you see a lot of these, you start getting exposed to them. I mean, just to begin, doesn't that, does that start or doesn't that start to kind of, um, feed that curiosity in you? You just all of a sudden, the average person, but you're now seeing stuff that you can't.

• 28:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, you have to be a special kind of boring to not be interested after those dates. It's shocking, especially knowing the context of what you're looking at.

• 28:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Right, which you get and you have those systems that can look at that.

• 28:49Speaker 06

  A hundred percent.

• 28:49Jeremy Corbell?

  What's the context? What like the big picture? Like what's what's the context?

• 28:54Speaker 06

  Yeah. And in this in this way, you're seeing images. Is there discussion? Is there text that comes along with this? Hey, we we saw this thing. What the hell is it? It's not us. Surprisingly little of that. I think the community kind of knows or knew that we don't talk about this. It's there.

• 29:14Speaker 06

  You know, that changed some years ago, but it's since been, I think, shut down again in terms of like, you know, community participation and solving the problem.

• 29:25Jeremy Corbell?

  So people within the intelligence community know you don't talk about this out loud. You don't say the quiet part out loud. You post stuff. You kind of get then we get an era of discussion when this starts coming forward, 2017 New York Times story. But then you're explaining that there's been a kind of clampdown on that dialogue and discussion. I've heard that from a lot of people on the inside. You witnessed that too?

• 29:49Speaker 06

  Uh, yes, absolutely. Both firsthand and from, you know, hearing from friends and connections. Yes. Uh, the screws were tightened and certain agencies, you're not allowed to mention certain whistleblowers names or you'll be fired immediately. So there's no announcement on the P A. System. There's no leaflets left in the cafeteria. No memo put out that says, don't talk about this stuff, but you know. Yeah, yeah. Um, you can pick up on that vibe real quick.

• 30:16Jeremy Corbell?

  When you say there's certain whistleblowers names you can't mention, this brings me back to a friend of ours went when George is doing his news report on Bob Lazar, first time it was going to air. He just said, when he was up at Area 52, he just said, hey, you should pay attention to the news. His career was over. He get pulled into room the next day. I would call him a friend of ours. Um, I interviewed him about it. I mean, that was done. He just mentioned that to to watch George's news report. Again, we're not equating Bob Lazar to to to anything. We're just saying that happened. So what do you mean if you mention certain whistleblowers? Who?

• 30:50Speaker 06

  Who? David Grush.

• 30:51Jeremy Corbell?

  You can't mention David Grush in certain professional settings or you are fucked.

• 30:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, if you're not fired, you are in for a very rough time, is my understanding. El Zondo? You know, I didn't hear Elzondo is a no-go word.

• 31:03Jeremy Corbell?

  Saying David, look, David Grush testified in con, open Congress, so that makes sense. So you, what, have you seen it happen? Have you seen people like mention his name? How do you become aware you can't even talk about him?

• 31:17Speaker 06

  So that specific example, yeah. Heard from a friend at that agency. That was essentially the word of mouth from management. Nothing written in paper, nothing in emails. But from what it sounds like, people got a conversation with their leadership and were told as much as we've just gone over. Um, and his name was absolutely the firsthand experience, sort of radioactive in the chat room. So it would either, all of a sudden, these people that, um, never participate are there really slamming him and slamming the people talking about him.

• 31:50Jeremy Corbell?

  On the classified internet.

• 31:51Speaker 06

  Indeed.

• 31:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Our space is when we've talked about a bunch of these, these where people had open dialogue. It just got a clamp down and his name was part of that. That's what you meant when you said certain people are radioactive. You can't mention their names.

• 32:02Speaker 06

  Right.

• 32:02Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 32:03Speaker 06

  Goodness.

• 32:04Jeremy Corbell?

  And good, yeah, we're no, we're nuclear. He's radioactive, different designation.

• 32:08George Knapp?

  Yeah. So you're seeing these videos and some limited discussion. You can't really openly talk about it, but you're curious. You're, you're kind of hooked on the topic.

• 32:16Speaker 06

  Yeah. And, and to be clear, uh, uh, 2018, when this first exposure happened and for about a few years after it was more, it did at least feel more open. Looking back on it, this was probably a counterintelligence prerogative at the time. But it was allowed to exist. The discussion was allowed to exist and it felt more like, you know, people were excited to finally actually be able to talk about this and finally be able to try to compare notes, figure it out.

• 32:44George Knapp?

  Well, that's when the UAP task force was created. They didn't call it that, but it was up and running and they were trying to make entreaties out to the intelligence community and DOD. Hey, they wanted input from and partners.

• 32:56Speaker 06

  Yeah. So I, I saw that emerge and I saw it die.

• 32:59Jeremy Corbell?

  I'll die. And when you say exposure, we're gonna get into this, but you mean technically it's called spillage. It's when you see something that is of a compartmentalized or nature that you are not specifically cleared to see and you were exposed to something and it was like, holy shit, what is this? And the first thoughts of that I'm interested in. So if we're at that point. Yeah. Okay, so let's talk about that. Look, the whole world knows about Imcon, Immaculate Constellation. We're saying that word out loud. At one time, that was very dangerous to say out loud, to write, to text. We should talk about that, but before, this is your gateway. This is the entrance point. What happened? How did it happen? What did you see? What did you think?

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• 34:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, so the first exposure or the exposure to Immaculate Constellation happened on a shared server that was shared by all the offices in OSD. What I was doing through, what I was doing at the time was opening files that were clearly misfiled and either sorting them to our offices, you know, part of that server or putting them in their own box to be sorted by other responsible jobs. I mean, this is more like volunteer duty, but yes. So because you're a workaholic and you're curious and you read a lot,

• 35:07Speaker 06

  you come across a file. That really is what leads us to being here today. It's the Shriver file? Yeah, so it was labeled 2018 Shriver War Game. It might have been brief or something else, but that's it. There's nothing about that that screams, you know, it's a very interesting thing. In fact, usually a lot of War Game briefs are pretty boring.

• 35:32Speaker 06

  So there's nothing that stood out about it. Accidental exposure for you? Hundred percent. You go into it and what do you see?

• 35:41Speaker 06

  There's just a generic title slide. There's a banner without classification markings that just says Immaculate Constellation. And it has a placeholder slide that shows like the Shriver War or Shriver Air Base logo and some logos of the units involved. But at that time, I believe it would have still been like Air Force Space Command adjacent.

• 36:05Speaker 06

  So still nothing particularly stunning. I think the name at the top, probably just the name of the exercise. So the next slide, though, is where it gets interesting because the face of Lou Elizondo is on that next slide. And I was not who I was expecting to see. And it was accompanied by text.

• 36:26Speaker 06

  To summarize, please have some grace with me. It's been seven years, but it was saying that Immaculate Constellation is an unacknowledged special access program established after the exposure of ATIP in 2017 by former USDI officer Lou Elizondo. And, you know, that's the gist of that first slide. And so I'm looking at that and, you know, nothing particularly

• 36:56Speaker 06

  convincing that that's alien related or what the SAP is or what it's doing.

• 37:03Speaker 06

  So I don't know what to make of this. So I read the whole thing and

• 37:08Speaker 06

  It got very interesting very quick.

• 37:10Jeremy Corbell?

  So it's designated a SAP. You know, this is a SAP. It's sitting on a server. Maybe it shouldn't be on.

• 37:15Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 37:15Jeremy Corbell?

  Right. So I think that's important. And also, it seems like it's just a response to the the public spillage or exposure that we saw come forward with people like, and specifically Lou Elizondo. This was like an internal classified response to the fact, oh, shit, some of this is out now.

• 37:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's exactly the tone of those words of that slide. That's the implied order of events that led to being established.

• 37:43Jeremy Corbell?

  It was like 2018, maybe.

• 37:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, the file was at least last accessed in 2018. I can't remember if it did say, you know, the file creation date, or if I looked it up, but I know it was last accessed.

• 37:55Jeremy Corbell?

  And you see who's accessed it prior to you?

• 37:58Speaker 06

  I can.

• 37:59Jeremy Corbell?

  And what did you see?

• 38:00Speaker 06

  So everyone says that I'm wrong. It's impossible. But the name I recall and recalled at the time thinking, oh, that's odd, was.

• 38:07Speaker 07

  Name redacted.

• 38:08Jeremy Corbell?

  And did you know who that was?

• 38:10Speaker 06

  Vaguely. At that time, I, you know, people are considered superstars in leadership circles. So you just hear names like that. And that's what her name was.

• 38:19Jeremy Corbell?

  Why would that be impossible? Why are people now in retrospect, why are people telling you that would be impossible?

• 38:24Speaker 06

  Oh, she wasn't at the Pentagon then?

• 38:27Jeremy Corbell?

  Where was she?

• 38:28Speaker 06

  She was at the Pentagon, to my knowledge, but they're saying she wasn't there.

• 38:31Jeremy Corbell?

  Right. Interesting.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  So, all right, so Shriver War Games, you just keep reading. There's a big slide with Lou Elizondo's face on it. What comes next? I mean, you get a sense that I shouldn't be able to read this here.

• 38:43Speaker 06

  No, not yet, actually. To be clear, at that point in time, I had no formal training in what SAPs were. There was no SAP marking on this, just a name, Immaculate Constellation.

• 38:55Speaker 06

  The the opening slide, you know, just, we would call it improperly labeled, improperly classified.

• 39:03Jeremy Corbell?

  What was it? What the show?

• 39:05Speaker 06

  So the next slide, the third slide about just jumps straight into the mission of this app and showing what apparently the results of that mission are. And it's a collection incident in the Pacific Ocean. The subject of collection is several Russian naval intelligence vessels in the middle of the ocean at night. And above those vessels is a large black triangle floating in the air. This is a still image, but it is a color.

• 39:37Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, so that's the first kind of event. But what was the mission? What was the mission? That's what people want to know is what was the mission of Immaculate Constellation as described in the product?

• 39:47Speaker 06

  So in the product itself, you had to piece together the mission by reading the whole thing and kind of putting together the parts.

• 39:55Speaker 06

  You know, it never spelled out fully, like as it should, the mission of the SAP. And I assume that's because this is a type of brief where there will be inserts to the deck, which would be inserted by the SAP control officer during the briefing that would provide another level of detail. But based on the information included in there and its description, the mission becomes apparent. And that is a bare minimum. It's the intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance mission of a global nature for UAPs and RVs, ARVs. The hesitation there is some time has passed. One of those acronyms is in there, either RV or ARV, and that is

• 40:41Speaker 06

  how the triangle in this case was labeled.

• 40:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Been seven years. So as you're reading through this and that you're remembering RV or ARV, just for our audience. So RV is, you know, reverse

• 40:54Speaker 06

  Reproduction.

• 40:55Jeremy Corbell?

  Vehicle. And the ARV would mean

• 40:58Speaker 06

  An

• 40:59Jeremy Corbell?

  anomalous reproduction.

• 41:00Speaker 06

  You know, we see you know, people in the literature say alien reproduction vehicle. It could just be anomalous.

• 41:07Jeremy Corbell?

  Advanced.

• 41:08Speaker 06

  Or advanced. It could be anything that can go after A.

• 41:12Jeremy Corbell?

  So you don't know what that is?

• 41:13Speaker 06

  I don't. This is a pretty interesting image here. It is. And then the text that accompanies it describes the incident. And what can you tell us? Yeah, the summary of that is just the how it unfolded. I should actually back up and say the image itself was unique. This isn't by a plane or a satellite. It looks to be a image pretty close to the waterline. So something that to me read is we have a clandestine submersible asset close by this fleet and it's taking pictures, trying to stay unnoticed. And so, yes, in the description, it basically lays out what occurred that night,

• 41:54Speaker 06

  which was that the are collection assets were there in area monitoring Russian naval vessels. Not sure what they're doing there, but they've been hanging out in the middle of the ocean in this place, apparently for a few days, keep an eye on them. And this night, while they are observing the Russian vessels, a large black triangle materializes or decloaks or something. The point is, is it did not move. It appeared above the directly above these ships, probably no more than 200 meters, pretty close. And interestingly, as noted in the report itself, there was no visible reaction from these vessels from what would almost certainly be considered a hostile approach. What do you take away from that?

• 42:38Speaker 06

  They didn't notice it or they're not upset about it? Or they don't know what to do with it or what? So the implication also in the text describing it was, or sorry, I should say the analysis in the text was that the Russian Navy had foreknowledge that this vehicle would appear in that area of the ocean. And they were there specifically to either collect on it themselves or to interact with it in some way. Any indication that it might be there? That they knew it's going to be there because they control it? Not in that document. And I haven't seen anything to make me think that they controlled that particular craft, but didn't see anything to the contrary either.

• 43:21Speaker 06

  I guess it could be that they've seen it before, that there's nothing.

• 43:24George Knapp?

  I can do about it, so don't get excited about it.

• 43:27Speaker 06

  Might be, although it is interesting, you know, if it's something that's part of their environment, as it were. Why are they making an effort to be in this space at this time to collect on something they already know about?

• 43:38George Knapp?

  Is it like in the middle of nowhere?

• 43:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's off the coast of Kamchatka is as I recall in the Pacific Ocean.

• 43:45Jeremy Corbell?

  That's what struck me. I mean, my mind goes to the idea that they were kind of camped out, you know, deep kind of ocean in this one specific area durationally. It kind of implies to me, if I'm thinking outside the box here, there's some form of comms or communication with whoever the operators are of this craft. Am I going too far with that idea?

• 44:06Speaker 06

  I think it's a reasonable one to have, but it's not one that I can like validate.

• 44:11Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, let's be clear. You were exposed to something we're just touching. Yeah, the basics here. We're theorizing, we're talking about a bunch of stuff we don't know, but the descriptions that you were exposed to kind of give you a little insight that we can at least look at some of those assumptions, right?

• 44:26Speaker 06

  Right, absolutely. And I'm sure there's a literature out there that can help narrow down.

• 44:32George Knapp?

  So Immaculate Constellation, you've never heard this term before. And it doesn't give you the full picture there, but what other additional information did it give about what this was and how it operates?

• 44:44Speaker 06

  Just describe the events and that analysis of the event of the Russians having foreknowledge to be there. And describing how the event occurred, as I just went over.

• 44:54Jeremy Corbell?

  So this is a page turner. So he, you know, you're interested.

• 44:57George Knapp?

  Yeah, you're curious now.

• 44:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Absolutely. What do you do next? What do you?

• 45:00Speaker 06

  Go to the next page. And it was disappointing because we get into a couple of slides of orbs. And I'd already seen orbs at this point in official setting.

• 45:08George Knapp?

  So the next pages show orbs from different parts of the world. It looks like the pattern is that there's the, under this.

• 45:15Speaker 06

  Immaculate constellation, they're gathering UAP images from all over the planet. Absolutely.

• 45:20Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, that's the core of it, right? Is the idea that we collect data on these UAP and someone needs to bring them, collate them together to provide intel to who needs it. And we're assuming, or not assuming, it's been pretty laid out. The MACAT constellation was a kind of place to bring everything together to provide those briefings to senior leadership. Is that correct?

• 45:45Speaker 06

  I don't know about to provide briefings, but definitely to, to collect data from the military intelligence enterprise specifically and the sensors associated with that. And yes, to, to collect that data, centralize it and have it there for presumably both analysis and, you know, operational needs.

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• 46:33Speaker 06

  The Schreiber War Games document with the images, 12 pages, 15 pages, somewhere in there? Yeah, I'd say, yeah, 12 to 15, but probably more like, yeah, 12. And is that the only document you ever saw where the term immaculate constellation was used? Until I wrote one, yeah.

• 46:51Jeremy Corbell?

  And we'll get into that, but instead of like, go through, people will be so curious. So what comes on the fourth page? Talk us through the pages, just go ahead.

• 46:59Speaker 07

  On the next episode of Weaponized.

• 47:01Speaker 06

  When I was in USDI, I read the transcripts of Sean Patrick briefing Senator Rubio, Senator Warren and Senator Gillibrand on the results of his investigation in his congressionally tasked ARO report. You know, I read these transcripts once and immediately knew that.

• 47:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, veiled threat? No, I knew that I was now something else. I was in, I had inside knowledge into the deception of our government by elements of our intelligence community. My blood ran cold at a specific point in that transcript where Mr. Rubio is discussing the legacy program. This was a subject of direct discussion with Sean Kirkpatrick in these meetings. And based on Mr. Kirkpatrick replies about as vague as they were, but unable to escape the truth of the legacy program. Mr. Rubio's response was, well, what the hell is the executive branch doing? Have they been running this for 60 years without congressional oversight?

• 48:09Speaker 06

  The process of Grush coming forward left a wake on the inside, too. People were tracking that, weren't even involved, but were able to see sort of the distortions on the inside. Distortions of truth. Exactly. And but also, you know, bureaucracies and offices behaving weirdly. That was one of the moments that really started to convince me that this was, this was not under, under our government's control.