NFL Championship Weekend: The Price of Pain with Taylor Lewan

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find It was a Nashville kind of night when Titans Tackle Taylor Lewan joined Fred, Ryan and Channing on a special episode of the Pivot. Lewan, host of Bussin' with Boys, comes ready to have an open and somewhat painful conversation with the guys talking everything from football to life to well...pain. After falling short to the Cincinnati Bengals in the divisional game this past Sunday, Taylor explains what went wrong to cause the AFC's #1 seed to be knocked out . "I didn't see it coming, we practiced harder and sharper than we did all season leading into that game," Lewan said. But as the guys pressed him on the inner workings of the team, Taylor defended his quarterback Ryan Tannehill saying he isn't the bad player everyone is making him out to be, he just didn't have the best day. The guys discuss the match ups heading into Championship weekend and why experience sometimes can exceed talent. Ryan and Taylor banter back and forth about him being a bully on the field, especially to DB's while Fred admires the mental toughness and dawg instincts the Pro Bowl Tackle possesses. The "Taylor to Taylor" respect continues as the former running back admires a lineman ready to lead the way through oncoming traffic on the field and relates to the mindset needed to play that position. Ryan asks the group what's the most pain they've experienced and the varied responses take on a conversation of their own, Pivoting from turf toe to rashes to well...the misuse of icy hot! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  It's very rare you get a player like you that's willing to stand up. And I think it was watching you stand up after Week 1 that made me feel differently about you.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Well, I appreciate that.

• 0:41Ryan Clark?

  You know, because I'm gonna be honest. I watched you beef with like Josh Norman, and I was like, does this big motherfucker only want to deal with like DBs? I was like, is he only like trying to fight dudes like he can beat up?

• 0:53Fred Taylor?

  He's calling you a bully.

• 1:17Ryan Clark?

  Welcome back to the Pivot. Like I always say, man, where you start ain't where you finish, and the finish ain't always the end. I got my dog Channing, I got Freaky Freddy, and we got Taylor Lewan, man. And first off, Taylor, that's what I want to say, man. Much respect to you in showing up today.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, why is that?

• 1:33Ryan Clark?

  Because there's a lot of people who...

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's already hostile. I hate cutting them off, but it's already feels like there's some...

• 1:38Ryan Clark?

  That's what he wants to do.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  I have my legs crossed like this, dude. What man sits like this?

• 1:41Ryan Clark?

  I crossed my leg because you crossed your leg.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Now, you put that ankle up. This is masculine. I'm over here like this. He caught me a little, you know what I'm saying? He caught me slipping a little bit.

• 1:49Ryan Clark?

  Bro, I'm 42. I can't get my leg over there. Like, that's the other part. And I for sure ain't wearing Nike socks with vans, you feel me?

• 1:55Speaker 02

  White Nike socks with vans.

• 1:56Ryan Clark?

  White Nike socks with vans.

• 1:57Fred Taylor?

  That's impressive.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  No sweat.

• 1:59Fred Taylor?

  You're a big fella.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, desert rat, dude.

• 2:01Fred Taylor?

  Loose hips.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  No question.

• 2:02Fred Taylor?

  That's pretty good.

• 2:02Ryan Clark?

  Where you saying though? Desert rat. Because like, when you look at Michigan and then the Tennessee Titans, you don't think West Coast, you don't think Arizona. You know what I'm saying, and also too, I'm gonna be honest, straight up, like you're super tough, I don't think tough when I think of west coast like that, or Arizona. You know, it's like south, you know.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  I think, and I think as, when we get more, we get into this conversation and all the topics we hit, we're gonna realize, we're gonna realize that generalizing things will kinda get you in trouble. So you can say, yeah, probably, if you look at the Pac 12, yeah, I agree, that's not tough football. Big 10, knock them around, SEC's got the speed, ACC's got the Clemson every once in a while.

• 2:38Ryan Clark?

  Is that why you win Big 10 though? Because you thought it was the physicality?

• 2:40Speaker 02

  I went to the Big 10, I went to Michigan for one reason, one reason only, it was because Jake Long. He was the first overall pick in 2008, and then I'm coming out of high school, I didn't play offensive line until my senior year.

• 2:52Ryan Clark?

  What'd you play?

• 2:53Speaker 02

  I played defensive tackle, and I was trash. Dude, I was absolute, I was water garbage. I stand up high, look around, I was just bigger than the dude, and then I'd run and go try to make a tackle. So I transferred high schools to Scottsdale, Chaparral High School.

• 3:05Ryan Clark?

  Chaparral, so I've trained at Scottsdale, like I trained at Scottsdale my whole life, I trained my DBs out there, we actually trained at Chaparral, so.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  That's where everyone's going right now.

• 3:13Ryan Clark?

  Like, constant dominant team in AZ.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, they love it too, like, they're like, super confident program, a bunch of salty white dudes, just kinda getting after a bunch of privileged, like, super rich white dudes, you know what I'm saying? And I went down there because there was this kid, this DN, who was like number 20 in the country, so all of these recruits were gonna come down and see him, so I thought, if I go, change positions, maybe I'll have a chance just on height and size and stuff like that. Ended up getting like 20 offers, and becoming an All-American off two game films. So, I went to Michigan, I wore 77 because of Jake Long. And so I go to Michigan, and that program, I mean, this year's the first year that it's actually showing something like what it used to be.

• 3:51Ryan Clark?

  That's real, like, right.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like a real program.

• 3:53Channing Crowder?

  Jake Long got drafted to the Dolphins when I was there. And the first time we did pass rush, I came off the edge and beat him, and I dropped down in his tall ass, long ass arm, and I got to the quarterback, and everybody was like, oh, he was the first pick of the draft. Jake Long was already signed, the guys on the team knew we were drafting him.

• 4:12Ryan Clark?

  Was that like OTAs, or this was training camp?

• 4:14Channing Crowder?

  This is, this is the first day of camp, like OTAs, you don't really, you don't say you've got pads on, the first day of pads, I beat Jake the first time, and got him, everybody was like, oh, first round pick. The next time, they had to say, Jake, let him go. Bro, he grabbed me and was mushing me into the ground.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Bro, he was really like that.

• 4:32Channing Crowder?

  They were like, let him go. He used to run gassers with the defensive linebackers and DBs.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:39Channing Crowder?

  315 and had abs.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:42Channing Crowder?

  Jake Long was a physical monster. So, just to now see Taylor, how damn big you are.

• 4:47Ryan Clark?

  And he lean though, like he not, like he not fat and nasty, right?

• 4:50Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, cuz when you give him that dab.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  There's some sloppy bodies out there, bad body ballers. Jake won one of those dudes.

• 4:55Channing Crowder?

  No, man, when I gave you the dab and hit that back, I was like, damn.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, we got some firmness here. We got some firmness.

• 5:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  I appreciate the gas. That means a lot to me.

• 5:04Channing Crowder?

  You a little grimy.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  I like where this is already at. You haven't said anything yet, we'll get there, but I appreciate this.

• 5:08Channing Crowder?

  You got a little grimy.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  These two things right here are kinda nice.

• 5:10Channing Crowder?

  I'm trying to bust this.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  You're a crazy thing.

• 5:11Ryan Clark?

  I'll get one, let me get one.

• 5:12Channing Crowder?

  Hold on, hold on. The best hard seltzer. This is the offseason for you.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll take one. And it's gluten free?

• 5:18Channing Crowder?

  It's pineapple.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Hey, we try to take care of you, bro.

• 5:19Ryan Clark?

  I appreciate that.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  We want you to be, we want you to be buzzed and rehydrated, also in shape. All at the same time.

• 5:26Ryan Clark?

  I love it.

• 5:26Channing Crowder?

  Cuz we hear, we hear your shit talk.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  To go back to the Jake Long thing right now, I've heard that story, when I first got to Michigan, they told me, they're like, you know, Jake used to run with like the middle group. So, my whole career at Michigan, I ran with the middle group.

• 5:37Ryan Clark?

  Damn.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Just as I wanna be like Jake. If people wanna be like Mike, I was just trying to be like Jake.

• 5:41Ryan Clark?

  So, when you were recruited, did they, did they pump Jake to you though? Did they talk about those things?

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Cuz they knew.

• 5:46Ryan Clark?

  What else did you think about going?

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Like, my old man, he went to Minnesota.

• 5:50Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  I went there, but I was like, I don't feel like losing games all the time, you know what I'm saying? And then, ASU was one, but I went to ASU on like a junior day thing, and I'm looking to my right and there's so many beautiful women. And the guy who's with me is like, don't look right. And so, I start looking left and there's more beautiful women. And I'm like, and he's like.

• 6:06Ryan Clark?

  So, you went to Michigan cuz the girls is ugly?

• 6:08Speaker 02

  Hey, listen, hey, don't, don't, I have fans out there, hold on, let me finish the story. So, I'm looking left, he's like, don't look left. And I, so I'm like, what do you want me to do, man? I'm 17 years old, lots of testosterone running through here.

• 6:18Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  And he's like, just, just try to periph, cuz if you look one way or the other, you're gonna miss them all. And I knew right there, I was like, I'm trying to go to the league. I can't, I can't go to a place like this. This is unbelievable. Girls wearing bikinis in class.

• 6:29Ryan Clark?

  Oh, no, bro.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 6:30Ryan Clark?

  Bro, straight up. So, you know, my son goes to ASU.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:33Ryan Clark?

  They did this whole thing, they started recruiting like in the south, cuz like they wanted the south speed, this and this. And so... They had six Louisiana boys on the trip at the same time.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:44Ryan Clark?

  And it's June. So we driving and we on the golf cart and I see the young lady.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:49Ryan Clark?

  She's going to class and I see that the tights are pulled into a place that I'm not supposed to look.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:57Ryan Clark?

  Right. And so you already know either your wife has to mention it or somebody else. So one of my son homeboys tells the lady in the front that's driving, hey, tell me what a sign right now.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:08Ryan Clark?

  Cause if she going to class like that, I want to go to class every day. You know what I mean? So I already know it's a different vibe.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Large graduation weight. Large. Class all the time, man. People always going to class.

• 7:19Ryan Clark?

  And so like coming out of Michigan, getting to Tennessee and understanding like the kind of expectations you were under and where the team was, what was your thought in entering that first training camp?

• 7:30Speaker 02

  That first training camp, I didn't know what was what. Like I got to the league, I thought, oh, we're going to win a Super Bowl. Like I like.

• 7:36Ryan Clark?

  From the jump, right.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Cause I was like, we're 11, like we're the middle of the road team. I'm sure they brought in free agents, but like when you get in as a rookie, you guys know like you just think, oh, I'm here. Like we're about to be successful. Things about to be great. Once when I look back on that roster, it's like, damn, we really had nobody. Like we had like Darrell Casey and like Darrell Casey.

• 7:57Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 7:58Speaker 02

  I'm trying to think of dudes in my head.

• 8:01Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, we had Darrell Casey.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  And he was in my head, we were two and 14 in November. And I'm like the dude that's like every game, I'm thinking we're going to win and it's middle of November, we won one game. And dudes are walking around like, what are we doing for vacation? Who's going to Cabo? Who's going to Cancun? Like where are we headed?

• 8:17Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  I'm like, yo, we got a whole half of the season left, it feels like, but dudes were, the culture was terrible.

• 8:22Fred Taylor?

  Who drafted you? Who was the coach?

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Ken Wizzenhunt drafted me.

• 8:25Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Ken Wizzenhunt drafted me.

• 8:26Ryan Clark?

  So you know, Ken was the office coordinator when I first got to Pittsburgh.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. I love Ken. He's a, he's a great dude.

• 8:31Ryan Clark?

  Good dude, man.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  And at one point we had, you know, a left tackle, a quarterback and a running back, all rookies starting. And it was like the first in NFL history or something like that. And you know, Mettenberger, he was one of my best friends when we first got here. LSU guy. Yeah, LSU guy. And.

• 8:46Ryan Clark?

  We had Mettenberger, OBJ and Jarvis at the same time.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Killer. And Jeremy Hill, your running back was killer.

• 8:52Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Like you guys, I mean, you guys should have won a national championship, it feels like.

• 8:57Ryan Clark?

  We do a little cheating.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, no question. Dude, SEC, it's not even like in question anymore with the SEC cheating.

• 9:01Fred Taylor?

  So let me say this. You said I was quiet. I hadn't said anything. So I was just sitting here in the cut checking you out. I hate the Titans.

• 9:09Ryan Clark?

  You hate them?

• 9:10Fred Taylor?

  Absolutely.

• 9:11Ryan Clark?

  Jaguars, tell them the backstory.

• 9:12Fred Taylor?

  See, I can't really sympathize with the 2-14 season.

• 9:15Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 9:17Fred Taylor?

  1999, my second year in the NFL, we lost to this one particular ball club three times.

• 9:23Ryan Clark?

  Were y'all any good?

• 9:24Fred Taylor?

  We lost in the AFC Championship. We were 14-2 in the regular season. We finished the season 15-3 after retiring Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson in blowout fashion, 62-7.

• 9:38Ryan Clark?

  Damn.

• 9:38Fred Taylor?

  The very next week, AFC Championship game, we lost to the Titans. Steve McNair, Eddie George, you know, the rest is history, pretty much.

• 9:46Ryan Clark?

  Those are these studs.

• 9:47Fred Taylor?

  15-3, the three games we lost were to the Tennessee Titans.

• 9:51Ryan Clark?

  So, wait, not only did y'all that year, bro?

• 9:54Fred Taylor?

  No one else beat us.

• 9:55Ryan Clark?

  Bro, that's crazy, dawg.

• 9:56Fred Taylor?

  We were so [BLEEP] good.

• 9:58Channing Crowder?

  Well, you weren't good enough to beat Tennessee?

• 10:00Fred Taylor?

  You know, I mean, you know how some teams, it's tendencies, you know, scouting report, some teams just have your number. At that particular point in time, Jeff Fisher, they had our number. And he would do little [BLEEP] just to rub it in. You know what I'm saying? Just to stroke his ego and piss off Coach Coughlin.

• 10:17Ryan Clark?

  Love Fisher.

• 10:18Fred Taylor?

  Who later went on to win two Super Bowls with the Giants. It was just something about that matchup. Jeff Fisher, he had Coach Coughlin's number. And the Titans had our number then, and I hate to say it, they still got our number now.

• 10:32Ryan Clark?

  First off, bro, everybody got the Jaguars' number now.

• 10:34Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 10:35Ryan Clark?

  Everybody can dial that number. Hey, she, you know, hey, hey, Taylor, Taylor, the Jaguars, the village bicycle, bro. We passed that number around, dawg. Hey, Shannon, you wanna hit old girl up? Like, hey, I'm telling you, dawg, it ain't gonna be hard.

• 10:47Channing Crowder?

  She gone? Yeah, send the Jags my way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, send the Jags my way.

• 10:52Ryan Clark?

  Send the Jags my way, dawg.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  That's gotta hurt to hear that, because your voice, what's that?

• 10:55Fred Taylor?

  I've been here quiet, checking you out.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:58Fred Taylor?

  Should I do something to one of his knees to kind of?

• 11:00Speaker 02

  Hey, I already had that last year, I don't need to go through that again. I already, I already had a little piece.

• 11:04Channing Crowder?

  I got, no, I got something, because it's funny with linemen. When you get a first-round quarterback, you get a high-picked quarterback and all, like, they can change the franchise. A top line, you know, running back, change the franchise.

• 11:15Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 11:15Channing Crowder?

  To be a high-drafted lineman where you can do your damn job, you was a dog.

• 11:20Ryan Clark?

  And team field was sorry as hell, right.

• 11:21Channing Crowder?

  And you get your ass whooped. So, think about it, like, you grade out great, and y'all losing by third. Like, how is it like to be a lineman that people bring in and think you're supposed to change the franchise?

• 11:30Fred Taylor?

  Correct him first, he said was.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Oh, you said was? That's a tough look, bub. But we're all good. We're all good. No, he a dog now. No, well, I will say this year wasn't like the year I wanted to have. So to say it was is fair to say.

• 11:45Ryan Clark?

  I know when we get on this bus later, matter of fact, I ain't even let y'all know. Like, we in the spot where we do bussin' with the boys. I've already been here for two and a half hours without Taylor. But when you start a season off, you know what I'm saying? And you face Chandler Jones, and Chandler Jones is in his bag. Like, he in his Jon Jones bag. He punching Daniel Cormier in the face at the coke bender type of bag. And what I loved about you, bro, was you said it. This wasn't my day. Like, I got whipped. You tweeted it. Like, how do you accept that? But also rebound from that and start doing your thing?

• 12:19Speaker 02

  You have to be gracious when you win, you have to be gracious when you lose. And the same thing goes for this Bengals game. Do I think we could have beat them? No question. But it just was what it was. For me, when I play against a guy like Chandler Jones, like, he's a stud.

• 12:31Ryan Clark?

  Nah, he's a monster.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm, you know, I have all my insurance policies I need in my back pocket. I was coming off an ACL, I was eight months out of surgery, like, I played a horrible game.

• 12:40Ryan Clark?

  But you accepted that, though. You didn't say any of those things post-game, though.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, because at the end of the day, like, no one cares. It's like, you know, when you're growing up and you say, I'm gonna be an NFL athlete, like, your parents will tell you, yeah, you got it, but no one really believes in you. And there's people that want to see me fail. And there's people that, you know, hope I do well, and they're like my family. But at the end of the day, it's like, it's on me. So like, who am I to make excuses for what happened? Chandler Jones happened. The next week, I hyperextend my knee, I don't play in that game.

• 13:07Ryan Clark?

  I'm about to ask about that, right?

• 13:08Speaker 02

  That's tough. And the rest of the year, if you watch the film, it just gets better and better and better. Because it's not about just hanging it up. As soon as you have one loss, you gotta keep going. And I think that's a thing like for, not just in the football world, but the regular world as well. Like, you can't just, if you don't get the promotion, or you don't get what you want at this time, it's not because you weren't deserving or whatever. It's you just gotta keep working. Eventually, the things, if you do the right things, it'll come to you. So... I think I finished off the season strong, but you know, I'm looking forward to the next time I play Chandler Jones. Because he had the penthouse suite in my head that game.

• 13:40Ryan Clark?

  What way? So when the game's going like that, how you even bow from that though? Like I know when you getting burnt up in the secondary, you can't fix it, bro.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Like that wasn't even the worst statistic game I've had. My second year in the league, I got burnt for like two and a half sacks. I got like an epidural in my neck, I couldn't lift anything over my head on my left arm. And I was getting my arm swiped around edges. Whitney Merciless torched me, two and a half sacks. So statistically, that wasn't my worst game. It wasn't just the statistics on the sacks with this. It was two sacks, bunch of pressures, a bunch of hits. Like I was out there, it was like watching a five-star athlete playing against a 160-pound white kid.

• 14:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, high school.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, high school. And it's like, you're kind of in it, just like, yo, get me the [bleep] out of here. You know what I'm saying? In the game, I'm just like, yo, I need to, I gotta go in a hole. You know what I'm saying? This is real, this is what it is. Like, you getting your ass beat like that. It's not the UFC where you can just get, I'm gonna get choked out real quick.

• 14:33Ryan Clark?

  And you can't stop playing.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 14:36Ryan Clark?

  Because they gonna keep putting you out there, bro.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 14:38Fred Taylor?

  You don't whisper to Big D Hen in the back and say, hey, Chip help over here?

• 14:42Speaker 02

  No.

• 14:43Fred Taylor?

  Listen.

• 14:44Channing Crowder?

  You know how he got drafted?

• 14:45Fred Taylor?

  I understand that.

• 14:47Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? I have a job to do. When this dude got his second contract, my dog had on an all-white suit. Yeah. The rest of the offensive line, the rest of the offensive line went with my dog to the press conference. My boys. You don't get to do all that and ask for help. He a alpha.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  No, 90, 91.

• 15:06Fred Taylor?

  91?

• 15:07Speaker 02

  I'm only 30 now.

• 15:08Ryan Clark?

  He's a baby, bro.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  I respect it. I know when you get in your old age like that, numbers just start looking like, you know what I'm saying?

• 15:14Channing Crowder?

  Fred can't do no math now. Fred can't do no math now, but no.

• 15:18Ryan Clark?

  That boy said, he broke 100 down to 55-50. He told, and he told Marvin Lewis, you been coaching for 40, 50 decades.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Decades. It's like six deaths.

• 15:29Channing Crowder?

  You just said, four days ago, you got knocked out the playoffs as the number one damn seed in the AFC.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:40Channing Crowder?

  Like, is it still, does it mess with you now? You riding over here, do you think about it? Ride home, do you think about it?

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think about it. I've been thinking about it for three days straight. And the way we lost too is, we had nine sacks. We sacked Joe Burrow nine times. That dude couldn't pay for air. Like he was, we were destroying him and, you know, as an offense, we need to equal that. Like, we can't. We can't operate the way we did. It was...

• 16:03Ryan Clark?

  What do you think it was though, T?

• 16:04Speaker 02

  I don't know. Here's the issue is like, everybody wants to be a keyboard warrior or a couch coach.

• 16:08Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  And as much as I'm a part of this team, I'm also just the left tackle.

• 16:12Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  I understand concepts of plays, but I don't know coverages. I don't know what the route Julio or AJ or those guys are supposed to run like. You know, it's the best team sport in the world for a reason. Cause you have to function with 11 guys.

• 16:24Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  You know, I can't just go out there and do it all myself. Derek can't go out there and do it all himself, no matter how good he is.

• 16:29Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  So, you know, I know people are mad at Tannehill. Like that's kind of where everyone's starting to point the finger at Ryan Tannehill, but really like, if you look at Tanny and what he did when he came in in 2019 against the Denver Broncos.

• 16:41Ryan Clark?

  Changed the team.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Changed the franchise.

• 16:42Ryan Clark?

  I agree with that.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  And I love Marcus Mariota like a brother. Like that's my dude. Like when he came in, like I was like swearing, like sworn to protect him. I love him. Just like I did that with Tannehill, just like I did that with Mettenberger. Tannehill used to throw gutsy throws and I don't know what he was supposed to throw, what he wasn't supposed to throw. You guys might have a better understanding of that. It's not my job to understand that, but I know that all these people that are mad at him at one time are praising him.

• 17:05Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Because of the risk he was taking to succeed.

• 17:08Ryan Clark?

  But do you also understand though, Taylor, that coming into the season, here was, here was the thought. You got a great left tackle. You have an offensive line that can run with anybody, which y'all proved, right? Whether it was Hilliard, Foreman, right? Foreman, think about the two biggest runs in the game were Foreman.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:26Ryan Clark?

  This game. So y'all could run the football on anybody and it was always the Adam Gase was Ryan's problem. And if he had all these things, all the monsters, basically, Taylor, AJ, Julio, Derrick, he's an MVP caliber player. Right? And you're playing this team and you just said it yourself. You sacked the other quarterback nine times, bro.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:46Ryan Clark?

  And I pay attention to your show, right? And you were talking about the extra point.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:52Ryan Clark?

  One yard. And I'm sure, cause you know, this is gonna be a crossover, right? It's gonna be the pivot on busting with the boys. And we had, I had a conversation about Derrick Henry. You had two chances.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:05Ryan Clark?

  To get one yard. And you have the biggest back in football.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  The best back in football.

• 18:14Ryan Clark?

  Our pains are pains.

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• 18:47Ryan Clark?

  And you can't get one yard.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:50Ryan Clark?

  How does that internalize to you, though? Because you think he's the best back. I think y'all want the best run blocking O-lines in football. You actually had three times to get one yard and you don't do it. How do you feel about that? Like, how does that affect you when you think about winning and losing games?

• 19:06Speaker 02

  I think it's a fallback on the last comment I just had. I think when you have guys that are as talented as Derrick, people think Derrick Henry is just running the football. With the extra point, people are mad about that. If you look at statistics and what you're supposed to do as a coach in that moment, you do that every single time.

• 19:22Ryan Clark?

  Every single time.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Every single time.

• 19:24Ryan Clark?

  I agree with that. It's a great choice.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  You get it or don't, you're looking at one point, we would've gone up, and everyone says, "Oh, we would've won, we would've been a four-man at that point." It's like the butterfly effect.

• 19:32Ryan Clark?

  You do something different.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  They might've done something different, we might've run a different defensive call. So you can't just say that one point changes the game because something else could've happened because of that situation going the other way.

• 19:43Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Butterfly effect, right? It's a great movie, Ashton Kutcher, I don't know if you've seen it.

• 19:47Ryan Clark?

  I have, I'm a movie buff. That Ashton Kutcher?

• 19:49Speaker 02

  Ashton Kutcher.

• 19:50Ryan Clark?

  Kutcher?

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Kutcher, Kutcher, Ashton Kutcher. I think he's married to Mila Kunis, it's my celebrity crush.

• 19:55Ryan Clark?

  He got super little teeth, though, Taylor, like... Ain't nothing wrong with little teeth. Hey, Taylor. Taylor, ain't nothing wrong with little teeth. Little teeth? I got little teeth.

• 20:06Ryan Clark?

  We already talked about it, we already talked about it.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  My man over here looks like they're paid for a little bit, though, you know what I'm saying?

• 20:11Ryan Clark?

  Why is everybody always showing them? My man is like 40 something.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  What is this, it's supposed to be that way?

• 20:17Ryan Clark?

  Those are veneers. They're her knives, veneers. What's your dentist's number? What's my phone?

• 20:23Fred Taylor?

  Dennis said do what you do best, bro. Hey Taylor, Taylor, you do realize only one of us has been on the bus. Like you coming at the one of us.

• 20:30Ryan Clark?

  Because I'm most comfortable. You know, friends over here mean mugging me.

• 20:33Fred Taylor?

  No, no, I'm not mean mugging.

• 20:34Ryan Clark?

  I'm finding common ground over here, bro. You know, I'm just trying to find where I lay in this tournament.

• 20:38Fred Taylor?

  I'm always the grown up on the set.

• 20:40Ryan Clark?

  That's not true.

• 20:41Fred Taylor?

  So I want to get back, no, I really want to get back to the history of playoffs is momentum.

• 20:45Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 20:46Fred Taylor?

  You guys were the number one seed, you had a bye week.

• 20:48Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 20:49Fred Taylor?

  Do you think any of that affected you guys?

• 20:50Ryan Clark?

  No, I don't.

• 20:51Fred Taylor?

  Were you, I know you were fresh.

• 20:53Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 20:54Fred Taylor?

  But the speed of the game, the time, and Cincinnati's on fire. Like their last four or five games, they've been ascending.

• 21:00Ryan Clark?

  And too, bro, their quarterback, like you talked about him getting sacked nine times. He never had a reaction to it though.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  No, he's Joe Cool for a reason.

• 21:08Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Like he's a dude that I would chill with.

• 21:10Ryan Clark?

  He's a dude though, right? I get that.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  He really is. I, I think it depends how your team handles the bye week. Like obviously you could sit there and say, we didn't handle it well. But if you guys came to practice, all the days we did.

• 21:21Ryan Clark?

  No, we weren't.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Bro, we were working. We were, the guys were running around the field. Vrabel has a good mindset. There's a reason why Vrabel is mentioned as a nominee for Coach of the Year.

• 21:29Ryan Clark?

  He should be the Coach of the Year.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  He really should.

• 21:31Ryan Clark?

  I 100% believe he should be.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  And I hate gassing the guy up, you know what I'm saying?

• 21:34Ryan Clark?

  But you don't have to though, like he deserves it, bro.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  He really deserves it.

• 21:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  He really deserves it. And Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, leading up to the game and watching these practices, watching our defense fly around, watching our offense fly around, I'm like, oh, we're about to win this game by 30.

• 21:46Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Because we just, it just seemed like we just had it.

• 21:49Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  You know, they, at some points in this game, they're running goal line defense in the middle of the field. Six one fronts, just to stop the run.

• 21:57Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm. When that happened, was that the big plays to AJ or Awuzie? Did you all adjust to those things and say, okay, we can't, we can't run the ball now?

• 22:04Speaker 02

  As an office, like I'm not sitting there with the offensive coordinator and Tannehill and Keith Carter, who's our run coordinator, like I'm sitting there like getting ready to go out. I literally walk up to the field and I say, hey, the best move is to run left. Like literally I tell Todd every single play.

• 22:18Ryan Clark?

  Well, because you blocked that one.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Exactly. Just run left, we're gonna be alright. You know what I'm saying? That's the thing.

• 22:22Ryan Clark?

  Hey, you don't, no.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  If you ever asked Todd, that's literally what I tell him. And Todd literally said, Taylor, shut the [__] up at one point. In the game, I was like, yeah, fair. No, definitely, I should apologize.

• 22:31Channing Crowder?

  Charles Haley, he talked about dogs. So as a dog running-

• 22:35Speaker 02

  I'm a monster, bro.

• 22:36Channing Crowder?

  But as a dog running back, you say, give me the rock. Best receivers, I know AJ and Julio on them be like, throw me the damn ball. As an offensive lineman, you'll walk over to your coordinator and say, run behind me, mother-

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do, probably every game. Every single game I go up to Todd, yeah. Even during the Arizona game. I'm like, hey, run left. Like, I'm still gonna be able to do this for you.

• 22:57Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? My past game was trash.

• 22:58Ryan Clark?

  So now, Teal, like, you sit back and you look at the season, do you feel like you guys wasted an opportunity? You know, because many people picked, I myself, beginning of the season, I said, if the Monstars are healthy, if the left tackle's healthy, Ryan Tannehill's an MVP candidate. That was, that was my thought. And I thought, this is an AFC championship team. Now, everybody knows the folks that play in Kansas City are different because the dude that quarterbacks for us-

• 23:26Speaker 02

  He's different.

• 23:26Ryan Clark?

  He's a different dude, right? But I felt like the pieces y'all had, especially with Jeffrey up front, Archery up front, right? Christian Fulton coming along, Kevin Byard, to me, best middle of field safety in football. I was like, this, I was like, this team got it. And so now, you look at it, where do you guys feel, what do you feel going forward, you stack up in the AFC? Because what we saw Sunday night from Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes was something we had never seen.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  It was unbelievable.

• 23:55Ryan Clark?

  From two dudes on the same night, bro, when you watching that, do you ever think, damn, I wish I had one of those?

• 24:01Speaker 02

  I think we have it. I really do. And I know, like, it might be like a biased thing to say, or people think it might be a biased thing. It is very biased. I mean, he does what he needs to do, but he's not one of those.

• 24:11Ryan Clark?

  I mean, he's not who he was with Adam Gase.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  He might, okay, he might not be a Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes, but he's changed a franchise. And with Tannehill, we have the capability of winning a Super Bowl. He's a good player. He's solid. He's a great player. It's like saying, is Ryan Tannehill, is Ryan Tannehill Tom Brady? It's like, well, no, he's not. He doesn't have accolades. He manages the team. That's what a quarterback is supposed to do. And he does a great job of doing that. Correct. You know, like, people give Tannehill shit for their year, not just his game, because of a bunch of picks, like- When we played the Patriots, there were four drafted dudes on our offensive line. Me, our left guard, our center, and our quarterback. Everybody else were undrafted cats.

• 24:46Ryan Clark?

  On offense?

• 24:47Speaker 02

  On offense.

• 24:47Ryan Clark?

  Damn.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Because we had no Julio, AJ was out, Derrick was out. Our tight end, I think, wasn't even drafted. And then our right guard was out, and then our right tackle was an undrafted cat, too. Like, he's had to work through so much adversity. If I were to sit here and say, Ryan's Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen, the answer's probably not, you know? But does he have the capability of playing like that? I 100% believe that. Because he's done it before. He's beaten Josh Allen, he's beaten Patrick Mahomes. With the football, too.

• 25:16Ryan Clark?

  That's crazy, that's true.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  With the football. It's not like we just ran it the whole game. Like, Ryan threw the football, got first downs, threw touchdowns, like, he did it. And so, it just didn't go our way. Is it a missed opportunity? 31 teams had a missed opportunity for a win in the Super Bowl.

• 25:31Ryan Clark?

  Every year, bro. I don't believe 32 teams entered training camp with an opportunity to win a Super Bowl.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  I agree with that.

• 25:38Ryan Clark?

  I do not believe that.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:40Ryan Clark?

  I believe the Tennessee Titans.

• 25:41Channing Crowder?

  With the confidence, too, though.

• 25:42Ryan Clark?

  Not even the confidence. I don't believe that 32 teams are capable. You guys have been confident.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Even when I walked in in 15, we went 3-13 the next year.

• 25:50Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  And in 15, I'm like, yo, we're doing it this year. Like, this is it.

• 25:53Ryan Clark?

  So you've been confident every year?

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, every year, you're confident about that.

• 25:56Ryan Clark?

  You're absolutely.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  As you get to the middle of the year, you figure out where you are.

• 25:59Ryan Clark?

  I always thought you was crazy.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:01Ryan Clark?

  You're literally, like, stupider than I thought. Because that's not true.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  But, yeah, yeah, it's not true.

• 26:07Channing Crowder?

  You want to say that to him?

• 26:09Speaker 02

  What are you gonna do to me?

• 26:10Channing Crowder?

  You're gonna choke your little ass out.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  That's true, I could.

• 26:12Ryan Clark?

  And y'all not gonna jump in?

• 26:12Channing Crowder?

  Listen.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  No, they ain't doing nothing, maybe Fred.

• 26:14Channing Crowder?

  You testing him. You try his manhood. I gotta see who's the better man. You testing out this big sum of bitch.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  My wife has the same outfit he's wearing.

• 26:23Ryan Clark?

  Hey.

• 26:26Ryan Clark?

  This one for Lulu. Hey, this one for Lulu. And you gonna stop disrespecting me.

• 26:30Channing Crowder?

  Lulu, Lulu, Lululemon is his go-to to be a man.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  I think I bought that for my wife for Christmas.

• 26:37Channing Crowder?

  Check your wife's drawer, because she might have stolen it.

• 26:40Fred Taylor?

  Here we go again. I gotta get us back to where we need to be.

• 26:44Ryan Clark?

  Why do you always do that? That was fun.

• 26:46Fred Taylor?

  Just going really back to, every year, you pressing reset.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:49Fred Taylor?

  So as players, we trust that the front office is making the right moves to get us to where we need to be. You know, sometimes you look to your right or left and say... If we had this type of player or that, you're not gonna, you know, call anybody out.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:03Fred Taylor?

  But you know, you have your opinions on what can help the team.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:07Fred Taylor?

  Transcend you to, to, to the next level, right? So when you press reset and it's the new season, you're in here, the optimism is there. You, you wanna compete. Naturally, that's what you do.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:19Fred Taylor?

  But that's been in that chair. On the outside looking in, we can go, okay, this team, their salary cap, the players that they've released, the inconsistency in the organization, the, the front office, the coaching. We can look at that now as retired guys and say, they're not gonna even have a chance in the world.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:40Fred Taylor?

  I know now, the Jaguars, the past four years, they weren't gonna win the AFC South. It was between Texans and you guys.

• 27:46Ryan Clark?

  So when they had Blake, so when they had, so when they had Blake and Jalen and that defense, how did you feel about them then though?

• 27:51Fred Taylor?

  Those moves were great.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Okay, so the year.

• 27:53Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying? But after that.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  So the year after they won the AFC Championship.

• 27:56Fred Taylor?

  They started dismantling the team.

• 27:57Ryan Clark?

  The year they won the AFC Championship. Did you think they would be back?

• 28:01Fred Taylor?

  Naturally, yeah.

• 28:02Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 28:02Fred Taylor?

  But in that offseason, when they started making those moves.

• 28:05Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 28:06Fred Taylor?

  And, and, and releasing certain guys and started breaking the team up, I remember seeing that before as a player. You know, we went, we came off of 12 and 4.

• 28:14Ryan Clark?

  Are you talking about that, that's the 99 season you're talking about?

• 28:16Fred Taylor?

  No, not 99. 12 and 4 under Jack Del Rio.

• 28:19Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 28:19Fred Taylor?

  You know, we had a good playoff run and, uh, then we come the next season, Marcus Shroud isn't there. We had issues with Mike Peterson and the defense, which was our stronghold. The offense was a little bit behind, but those guys pretty much led the way. And when you start tampering with that, you go, wow. But the defense saved us.

• 28:38Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 28:38Fred Taylor?

  A lot of teams don't always have the best quarterbacks, but the defense, they'll buy you time. You know, Sexy Rexy in Chicago.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  A team like Jacksonville, like 2016, those guys all across the board on their defense were studs. With Jalen, their front four, Kalais Campbell, uh, Yannick and Dockway, those dudes were studs. But when you started running the ball on them, when you started like scoring touchdowns, dudes started pointing fingers and yelling at each other.

• 29:02Fred Taylor?

  That, you know what? For you as a player to peep that?

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:06Fred Taylor?

  It's big because I was on the sideline.

• 29:09Ryan Clark?

  When you know you're facing a defense that's supposed to be those type of dudes.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:12Ryan Clark?

  Right, and you start kind of pounding them, and you see, you see the bickering. What does that do for a left tackle, and for a dog like you though?

• 29:20Speaker 02

  It's like, you know, you got them. And it's not just me, like, it's as an offense, like, we see them, they're so worried about whose fault it is, because at the end of the day, you're not thinking about what the next play is, you're thinking about what coach is gonna say on Monday.

• 29:32Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Like, you're not thinking about, oh, hey, if I mess up this play, if we're being real, like, and you and I do something, and you're supposed to cover me up in some certain gap or something like that, and I do the wrong thing, and I'm pointing fingers at you, it's just because it's an insurance policy for my ego to feel better about myself. When you see dudes like arguing as an offense, you just want to take advantage of that, because they're like, get me the [__] out of here eventually. And that's not just, that's not Jacksonville.

• 29:55Fred Taylor?

  All professional sports, any sports, when you see that, number one, that's a leadership issue.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:00Fred Taylor?

  That's an accountability issue. You have guys just, you know, calling each other out, you're like, what the [__], who's gonna step up and say, "We can't do that," at least not now.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:09Fred Taylor?

  Let's get in a big room and figure it out then, but on the field on Sunday, if we do that now, the other teams are looking and saying.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  I think, I think there's a level of who is a leader of the men, and when you look at who John Robinson's put in, and the only thing I can go off of is my own experiences.

• 30:27Ryan Clark?

  That's who we are, bro.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Three different coaches, two different GMs, John has brought guys in that characteristically fit the mold of what we want to be at Tennessee Titans.

• 30:36Ryan Clark?

  Like, from a locker room standpoint?

• 30:37Speaker 02

  From a locker room standpoint, guys like Will Compton, you know?

• 30:40Ryan Clark?

  That's my dog.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  He's a, that's a locker room warrior, dude.

• 30:43Ryan Clark?

  Nefi used to come to my house and eat all my damn orange chicken.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  No question.

• 30:46Ryan Clark?

  From PM change.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, he'll come to my house and I'll buy him all the food and he won't even show me any money. You know, sometimes I gotta go pick him up. But he's my boy, you know what I'm saying?

• 30:53Ryan Clark?

  He's my dog.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  But I'm saying, with Vrabel, Vrabel does such a good job of keeping us locked in, and keeping us focused on what the grand scheme of things are, the main goal, and that's winning week in and week out. And when you have leadership like that, that's when you don't find teams arguing with each other. It's keeping the accountability alive.

• 31:10Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Jacksonville, if they were to have, you know, a new, whoever their new coach is.

• 31:16Fred Taylor?

  Byron LeFaut.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  If he goes in and installs that from, from day one, they can be a completely different team next year, because they have talent.

• 31:22Fred Taylor?

  Urban Meyer sure ain't do it.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like Urban.

• 31:25Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 31:25Ryan Clark?

  When you think about... Like Vrabel, right? Vrabel is a guy who played in the league. He understands what it's like to be in those locker rooms. Byron Lefwitch, obviously been the quarterback at Jacksonville, first-round draft pick. Do you feel there's a huge difference in a guy who has lived that life and can kind of relate to the players? Like, when I hear Mike Vrabel talk, and obviously we were on the executive board together with the NFLPA, when I hear him talk, it feels like me, right?

• 31:55Fred Taylor?

  He had to throw that in there. He always does.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  I get it, dude. We all get off in some different ways.

• 32:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, he's a damn snitch.

• 32:02Fred Taylor?

  Did you bust?

• 32:03Ryan Clark?

  No, but I don't know if y'all saw the article that said I should be a GM. Y'all miss that stuff, too?

• 32:07Fred Taylor?

  Nah.

• 32:08Channing Crowder?

  Man, one motherfucker writes some papers, and now we supposed to be like, "Oh, I see."

• 32:12Speaker 02

  That's true. He could be a great GM, though. I don't know.

• 32:15Ryan Clark?

  How long you play?

• 32:16Speaker 02

  This is my achy year going on.

• 32:17Channing Crowder?

  Oh, here you go.

• 32:18Ryan Clark?

  How long you play?

• 32:19Channing Crowder?

  He gonna pull some shit out.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  How many Pro Bowls you make?

• 32:21Ryan Clark?

  One, only made one.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:23Channing Crowder?

  He's at three, and he's a puppet.

• 32:24Ryan Clark?

  How many rings?

• 32:25Channing Crowder?

  So now you gonna move it, and he move the goalpost. Now it's rings.

• 32:27Ryan Clark?

  Hey, so for you, bro, like, you have a different perspective than we do, right? I look at it from the outside in. Like, I know who's good players, right? Like, I could watch you and see a week like Week 1 and be like, "Damn." I've seen Taylor do it so many other times, I get that week. Because I've had that week. But you're looking at Kansas City and Cincinnati Bengals. Patrick Mahomes has nothing to prove. The Kansas City Chiefs have nothing to prove. Cincinnati Bengals are like a Johnny come lately. Like, this team drafted Joe Burrow first overall two years ago, and now they're in the AFC Championship. These are teams you faced, bro. When you look at these two teams, how do you see that matchup?

• 33:36Speaker 02

  I think it'll become a shootout, kinda like uh...

• 33:39Ryan Clark?

  Kinda like it was, because they're playing this year.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  The Bills and the Chiefs, I think it'll be a high-scoring game because they have so much talent on the offensive side of the ball both ways.

• 33:45Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  The Bengals are very new, up-and-coming, young, fresh.

• 33:50Ryan Clark?

  It's hard to believe in that though, Taylor.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I get that. And the Chiefs, they have so much experience, they've been there before so many times. This is like, what, their fourth time in the AFC Championship in a row? In a row.

• 34:01Ryan Clark?

  Four in a row, bro.

• 34:02Speaker 02

  You're asking me to give like a prediction on what's gonna happen?

• 34:04Ryan Clark?

  The thing I wanna know is, it's not about your prediction, it's about how you see it, right? Because it's two different things. Like, we can't predict what the hell is gonna happen with grown men when you put them on the grass.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:13Ryan Clark?

  I've had people this week that I work with say the game won't even be close. That the Kansas City Chiefs will blow them out, and it'll be much like the first half in Cincinnati.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  I think when you get down to these final four teams, it doesn't matter like who's way better, it's just like, they're all here for a reason. So, do I think it's gonna be close? I think it's gonna be close, but I think Patrick Mahomes is getting to this point where he's kinda like Tom Brady in a sense where you just can't really bet against him right now.

• 34:37Ryan Clark?

  Right, I agree with that, bro.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  You can't really bet against him in those situations. I think Cincinnati's a great football team, their defense is good, their offense is powerful, they can get the ball down the field in a hurry, they can score points in a hurry. So I think, I think it's gonna be a good game, but I think the experience of being there four years in a row.

• 34:57Ryan Clark?

  Is different.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  I would just guess, and this is me as a fan talking, not as like an NFL football player, like, as a fan, watching these two teams from a really close point of view, I would just think that...

• 35:08Ryan Clark?

  Y'all played Kansas City this year, or no?

• 35:10Speaker 02

  No, we didn't play Kansas City this year. Yeah, 2019, we played them. And that's a perfect example, the Baltimore Ravens, when we went, they were the one seed, we were the seventh seed or the sixth seed at the time.

• 35:18Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  They were, if you looked at a roster, a much better football team than us, and we just won, for whatever reason, you know what I'm saying? Good days, NFL.

• 35:27Ryan Clark?

  Y'all were off with KC too, though.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were up on KC, but we played them in Week 10 that same year. They were up 10-0, we came back and won.

• 35:36Ryan Clark?

  I remember that.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  And then we went up 10-0 on them, and then they came back and won. That little run that Patrick Mahomes had with like, I don't know, 46 seconds left.

• 35:44Ryan Clark?

  It was y'all, it was Houston.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:46Ryan Clark?

  It was Houston.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  Patrick Mahomes and I had the same 40. We had the same 40 time, and this dude, it was unbelievable. It's unbelievable how you can run.

• 35:52Ryan Clark?

  There's a reason why you're drafted where you're like, you know, like, you know, I've been effing with you, but I understand, like, I understand like the hierarchy of like how this worked. I was undrafted for a reason. You know what I'm saying, like, these 13 years, I had to grind for it. You know what I'm saying, not saying like you ain't had to work, but when they looking at the film and they doing the measurables, there's like, this motherfucker 6'6", he runs 4'8", oh yeah, you know what I'm saying?

• 36:16Channing Crowder?

  He brought up Jake Long, that's what he was. He was a, he was, he was a physical monster.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  But you're right, like, there is, there is different types of adversity you have to go through from a first-round pick standpoint, like, there's a lot of pressure put on you to succeed.

• 36:29Ryan Clark?

  Right away.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, as an undrafted guy, if you're neck and neck with somebody and they're drafted, you're not gonna win that, you're not gonna win that ever.

• 36:35Ryan Clark?

  Right, and I think it's, it's very rare you get a player like you that's willing to stand up. And I think it was watching you stand up after Week 1 that made me feel differently about you.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Well, I appreciate that.

• 36:47Ryan Clark?

  You know, because I'm gonna be honest, I watched you beef with like Josh Norman, and I was like, does this big motherfucker only want to deal with like DBs? I was like, is he only like trying to fight dudes like he could beat up?

• 36:59Fred Taylor?

  He's calling you a bully.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  You gotta take the right battles sometimes.

• 37:01Fred Taylor?

  It's one thing to have to compete on Sundays, right? But the additional motivation, everybody wants to kick the shit out of the badass or the person who thinks they're badass.

• 37:13Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 37:13Fred Taylor?

  Do you embrace that role? Like, do you expect to go in every single game, every Sunday? You have to do your job, but knowing that you've given off this energy of being the badass, come get it, like, do you embrace that, knowing that these other guys, they want to beat the [bleep] out of you?

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think it's just that, it's just not this like, this whole badass routine, it's also all the antics, like, being on Busting with the Boys, coming on an all-white suit after you signed the biggest contract in NFL history type thing.

• 37:40Fred Taylor?

  It's all of it.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  It's all of it.

• 37:41Fred Taylor?

  It's $91 million [bleep] dollars, they want a piece of that.

• 37:44Ryan Clark?

  And also too, Taylor, like, I was a dude, like, I had an ESPN contract when I played. So I get that, you doing Busting with the Boys and it's fire, you know, like while you played, and you're basically like a [bleep].

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Right, I would agree with most of that. I would use a different word than a [BLEEP], maybe an instigator.

• 37:59Ryan Clark?

  Instigator, I'll take that. And so like, like in that though, the thing that like I've enjoyed about your career and, and not only like marveled at but appreciated was like your ability to fight through injury.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:13Ryan Clark?

  So talk about like the worst pain you've been through and endured.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  I'm not sure, uh, I have like a, dude, have you ever had turf toe?

• 38:20Ryan Clark?

  Nah.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Twice. That shit is awful. It's debilitating dude.

• 38:24Fred Taylor?

  I'm with you on that.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  I, dude, honestly, like it sounds so bitch to say, one of the worst pains I've ever had was Jacksonville, like week four, and I had turf toe.

• 38:35Ryan Clark?

  It sounds beat.

• 38:35Fred Taylor?

  You gotta say it with bass, turf toe.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  Listen, you hear my voice, that's like a 12 year old. I didn't know bass in this voice, dude. I'm 6'7" with a 12 year old voice. I had turf toe and it was an ouchie. You know what I'm saying? I was hurting though. That was true.

• 38:48Ryan Clark?

  Hey, you gotta do something with this hole down.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  This thing was swollen, they tried to tell me I had gout, I was like, bro, I do not have gout.

• 38:54Ryan Clark?

  So what does turf toe feel like then, bro?

• 38:55Speaker 02

  Dude, it's like, it just feels like there's needles and pain, that's like when the muscles around your joint

• 39:01Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  gets stretched and pulled and like slightly torn. It was, it's just awful. It's like trying, dude, trying to walk or do anything's painful.

• 39:09Fred Taylor?

  From Taylor to Taylor, y'all like that, right?

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was nice.

• 39:12Fred Taylor?

  In New England, I had turf toe week two, practiced for a little bit. Week four, I came back, cause I missed two games, week four, I got another turf toe. Listen, I heard Deion Sanders speak about turf toe, like, can't be that serious.

• 39:25Ryan Clark?

  So you can bring in Hall of Famers.

• 39:27Fred Taylor?

  But Danny and Tomlinson talk about turf toe.

• 39:30Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 39:30Fred Taylor?

  I'm like, these guys, they can't be tough, like I'm going through, I ripped my groin off.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  It's just a toe.

• 39:35Fred Taylor?

  I thought it was the toughest thing I had gone through ripping my groin off the bone in the middle of a game. But that [BLEEP] and turf toe.

• 39:43Fred Taylor?

  That's a whole, it's like, you know how you jam your-

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Why you so damn soft? Bro, I'm so happy you're here. I'm so happy he's here to back me up on that.

• 39:50Channing Crowder?

  Them vans ain't hurt, they ain't helping no turf toe.

• 39:52Ryan Clark?

  He need some damn Nikes, he need some Jordans.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Some Jordans, bro, they're too expensive. These things, $60 right here.

• 39:59Fred Taylor?

  Cheers to that. Cheers to that.

• 40:01Ryan Clark?

  So he had turf toe, he had turf toe, I almost died. So, we're gonna just talk about like pain.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Hey, this dude's wearing so many hats. You're in this thing.

• 40:08Ryan Clark?

  You know, you know, Shannon, like, I actually lost the organs and like, weight. You know what I'm saying? Like, these, yes. Like, I was waiting. I went from 205 to 160.

• 40:17Channing Crowder?

  Oh, wow.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 40:20Ryan Clark?

  Like, I feel like that, what I endured, did you do, did anything?

• 40:23Channing Crowder?

  When Freddie asked a question, I thought about it. I already got it. Cause I had 17 knee surgeries, two screws in both my feet.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  That sounds tough. Will had that.

• 40:30Channing Crowder?

  Reconstructed both my thumbs, shoulder surgeries, neck, everything. The most pain I've ever been through? When I was running, when I was partying. And I got a rash.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  That's tough.

• 40:42Channing Crowder?

  We talked about crabs. I'm, I'm just, I'm gonna continue to tell about my situations. I had crabs one time, and I rolled peanut, you gotta put peanut butter around it.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:50Channing Crowder?

  Only creamy, not crunchy.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have to tell Siri to write that a note. Hold on one second. I had a buddy who got crabs, but he shaved his pubes. The crabs went to his ass hair.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  How wild is that? And them, those are nomads, dude. They'll go anywhere. They'll let them go anywhere. They'll go anywhere. Them just bottom likes, you know what I'm saying? That's wild.

• 41:09Channing Crowder?

  Y'all better watch y'all beards.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:12Channing Crowder?

  They can crawl, they got claws.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, he got some chest hair, dude, that, that little, all I'm saying is, it was an avenue.

• 41:16Channing Crowder?

  Listen, so I, I got me a rash, it was, it was, it was extremely itching.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:20Channing Crowder?

  So I got some of that cream from the, from the pharmacy.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Preparation H.

• 41:26Ryan Clark?

  Isn't that hemorrhoids?

• 41:27Speaker 02

  I don't know, dude. I'm just trying to join you.

• 41:29Ryan Clark?

  Preparation H?

• 41:30Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's the only cream I can really think of right now. I'm just trying to be friends.

• 41:34Channing Crowder?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  I'm just trying to stay here on this side of the table.

• 41:36Channing Crowder?

  Tea, I fool with you.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I appreciate it.

• 41:38Channing Crowder?

  So, yeah, so I got the cream, and the cream did, helped everything else, but the scrotum. Cause the scrotum is sensitive meat.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 41:46Channing Crowder?

  And the rash stayed. So, everything around kinda healed with the cream.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:51Channing Crowder?

  And the rash stayed on the scrotum.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Tough.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  It's an icy hot. And I think to myself, I have an epiphany. I'm about to change the masturbation game forever. I'm about to fuck up the world, dude. I'm about to become a billionaire. Actually, you about to F up your world. Yeah. I look at that, I've moved the Jergens to the left. I said, "Your time is over." I look at this Cool Blue, I say, "Your time is [bleep] now, boss." I grab it, I'm laying down, dude, on my back. And I got the laptop sitting there, I got the double chin going. What you watching? What you watching? Don't worry about what I'm watching. Don't worry about it. Things get a little weird in the search bar, you know what I'm saying? Not because I need it, I just want to know what's out there. I was just trying to figure what your favorites were. I grab the Cool Blue like this, dude. The top's here, because I know I'm about to, you know what I'm saying? So I grab it like this, and I just give it a nice squirt.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  Start putting it around there, massaging the whole thing up. And for about 15 to 20 seconds, I was like, "You're a [bleep] genius." You're a [bleep] genius, bro. I'm about to be a virgin forever. This [bleep] is not changing. I never need a woman. After that 15-second mark, dude, I'm sprinting through the house. Trying to find water. My mom's in the house, dude. It don't matter anymore. We got a [bleep] emergency. And I am in the sink, I'm putting, you know what I'm saying? White dude, white dude, that sink's hard to get to, you know what I'm saying? That thing, he's like stretching his best, but I'm like, "You gotta get there, boss." I [bleep] put that thing over there, finally get them all cleaned up, dude. It was like an hour and a half of pain.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  And now when I see icy hot, where I'm about to lather the knees up with the Stop Pain or whatever, I'm like, "Hey, you mother [bleep]." I know, hey, I know where not to put you. As I'm lathering the caps, dude, I, I'm telling you, bro. I gotta fix myself after that, I'm all jumped up. Hey, Taylor, you straight-lagging as a bitch, right? You like, "I'm gonna be straight-lagging, I'm gonna be real."

• 45:49Fred Taylor?

  Chaney has a way of bringing the best out of our guests.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 45:53Fred Taylor?

  We appreciate that story.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  I'm glad we went through that together just now.

• 45:55Fred Taylor?

  We appreciate that story.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Yours is for health, mine was for, you know, health. Yeah.

• 46:01Fred Taylor?

  The message here today is, watch out for the bleach.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:05Fred Taylor?

  And definitely watch out for the [bleep] Cool Blue.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Cool Blue, icy hot, whatever it is. Whatever it is, kids. Stick to the Jergens. For God's sakes. Putting you on the spot, T. Yeah.

• 46:17Ryan Clark?

  Who's in the Super Bowl?

• 46:18Speaker 02

  That's a quick transition. That was literally a pivot.

• 46:20Ryan Clark?

  Right to it, it's a pivot.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  That was a [bleep].

• 46:22Ryan Clark?

  Nah, that's a pivot. It's a pivot.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  I'm glad.

• 46:24Ryan Clark?

  Tell us what I do.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Who's playing? Rams and Niners. The Chiefs have been there before. They have just as much, if not more, talent. And they just are hot. They're hot right now. Everyone thought the dynasty was over. But I think the Chiefs go to the Super Bowl.

• 46:40Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  The Niners love George Kittle. Trent Williams is the best left tackle in the game.

• 46:44Ryan Clark?

  100%.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  And their defensive line is stout.

• 46:48Ryan Clark?

  Monster.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Fred Warner is a stud. I think they have a chance, but the Rams are like, with the acquisition of Von Miller... Are you going Rams Chiefs? I gotta land this plane for all of us, right? Yes. So they got Odell, an acquisition from, well, they cut him and they picked him up. Their defensive line is just crazy. They got Aaron Donald, they got Von Miller, Floyd, who's a stud, who's an underrated stud. And also Andrew Whitworth is 40 years old and playing at an elite level at left tackle. I love Andrew Whitworth.

• 47:17Ryan Clark?

  LSU, you're saying?

• 47:18Speaker 02

  So I want, and I think the Rams are gonna play the Chiefs.

• 47:23Ryan Clark?

  I was expecting to get a great show with you.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:25Ryan Clark?

  Right? Like, I came in here and I was like, "Look, I need Taylor." We discussed many different options to do a show in Tennessee, because we were coming here.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Tennessee's a great place.

• 47:36Ryan Clark?

  It's a great place. But to me, there was no better option than you. And all I want to say is, bro, you absolutely delivered.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Well, I appreciate that.

• 47:43Ryan Clark?

  Man, so, so thank you. Looking forward to the pivot and the busting with the boys combo.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:49Ryan Clark?

  It seemed like, when we started talking about it today, people were looking forward to it too. And I just want to say thank you, best of luck, bro. And keep being you. Like, you do it a different way. But maybe let's not pick on so many DBs.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  Well, we actually, you know why you didn't give me a chance to even say anything to that? You know what I'm saying? Now I'm overhearing kind of a limbo period.

• 48:08Ryan Clark?

  Hey, guess what, dawg?

• 48:09Speaker 02

  And I'm in the cloud, you know, of that question.

• 48:11Ryan Clark?

  Hey, T, guess what?

• 48:12Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 48:12Ryan Clark?

  We'll have time on your show.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fair. I appreciate you, my dog.

• 48:16Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate you.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

• 48:46Speaker 05

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