Trail Tales 72

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• 1:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hello, everyone. Welcome back to National Park After Dark. I'm Cassie.

• 1:21Danielle LaRock?

  And I'm Danielle.

• 1:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  And this is Trail Tales. Welcome Gemini, specifically for Gemini season.

• 1:27Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, your birthday's tomorrow.

• 1:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  It is. Happy birthday to me.

• 1:30Danielle LaRock?

  Any big plans?

• 1:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  Not that I'm aware of, no. I haven't even thought about it. I guess it's kind of early. We're recording this pretty early.

• 1:37Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, well, it's hard because you have like other stuff going on. Like by the time this is out, we've already been on your bachelorette weekend and but that's like looming really close. So I feel like that's already a celebration and fun and.

• 1:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's true.

• 1:51Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 1:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  But it's my birthday every day in June. This month. Yeah, it's my birthday month. Yeah. Well, do you want to share a story? I'd love to. My first story is titled Aliens in Central Park. Hi, Cassie and Danielle. After a week of cold and rainy weather, we finally had a gorgeous sunny day, so my husband and I decided to go vibe in Central Park. Full disclosure, we each had the tiniest bit of garden gummy, just enough to relax and feel some extra appreciation for nature, not anywhere near enough to start seeing things. That's good to know. The tiniest bit of a garden gummy. That sounds so wholesome. We found a spot on some grass to lay down and watch the clouds passing above us.

• 2:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  As we identified the shapes of each cloud, scorpion, dragon, turtle, I rubbed my eyes, assuming the little dots of light in my vision or from staring at the sky for too long. When my husband said, "What the hell are those things?" Out of nowhere, tiny dots of light appeared, probably 20 of them. Some of them were in a straight line, some of them were in arrow formation, and there was another cluster to the right of the majority of the dots. They didn't seem to be moving, just hovering. Of course, this was the day that my husband didn't bring his professional camera with a good zoom lens, but our phones were still able to capture what we saw. After about five minutes, they disappeared as suddenly as they had appeared. We were both feeling flabbergasted. What the hell just happened?

• 3:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  We sent the video to my dad, who is extremely intelligent and a huge space enthusiast, to see what his explanation was that he could give us. Were we seeing stars in the middle of the day? Satellites? We didn't have to wait long for his reply. With that much light, you wouldn't see stars. Satellites would be moving very fast across the sky. Definitely aliens. Um, what? That's it? No brushing it off with some boring explanation? I asked if he thought they were drones, and he doubled down with, "I'm not going to worry about it until they land on the White House lawn and announce they are taking over." And sent us the link to report a UFO sighting. So if anyone has a more mundane explanation, I'd love to hear it. But instead of government drones, I'd rather believe that-

• 4:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  The aliens were checking out Central Park to see what the hype was about. Enjoy the view and make sure to watch the sky for UFOs.

• 4:08Danielle LaRock?

  Well, they sent in the video, so I'll post it. And everyone can make their mind up for themselves. And I watched it a couple of times. And I don't know, it's hard because was it earlier this year with everything going on with the government drone thing?

• 4:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Danielle LaRock?

  Remember, like it was right after all the LA and like California wildfires in the beginning of the year. It was kind of immediately following that. And a lot of that footage made me question like people sightings and stuff. But this seems, it definitely isn't stars for sure. They are in a pattern. They're pretty, um, like they're not moving at all.

• 4:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  So you think they're UFOs?

• 4:48Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know what they are.

• 4:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, and it's not Starlink?

• 4:52Danielle LaRock?

  It's not Starlink, no. It's not in like a band of lights. They're all kind of in this like weird. I don't know. I'll post it so people can make up their minds.

• 5:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  Interesting. I hope you saw UFO. That's really cool.

• 5:05Danielle LaRock?

  Well, my first story is I witnessed a UFO crash landing, question mark? So maybe we're, we can judge this one too.

• 5:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  Aliens for the win.

• 5:16Danielle LaRock?

  Hey Danielle and Cassie, I love your podcasts. Y'all helped me get through my long distance and overnight drives. About a month ago, I was listening to the episode on the Alagash Wilderness Waterway abductions and had convinced myself if I ever see a UFO, then that's a guaranteed abduction, whether I remember it or not. This didn't scare me at the time. I always believed that I'm more likely to encounter Bigfoot than I am a UFO. With that, I'm hoping there's a listener out there that can debunk the experience I'll be sharing with you today. And before we get started, I must preface, I know absolutely nothing about satellites or drones or whatever else could be confused as a UFO. So please debunk me. This person's begging for somebody to.

• 5:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  Please tell me this is not aliens.

• 5:59Danielle LaRock?

  Last night, I was driving from Boise back to Portland on the I-84. I often prefer driving through the night because I love the solitude. Around 4:30 a.m., it was already pretty light outside. When suddenly, appearing out of nowhere in my direct line of vision, something that looked like a comet or aircraft was rushing directly towards the Columbia River, about to crash. It was not glowing as if it was on fire from breaking through the atmosphere, or smoking as if a small aircraft had malfunctioned. It was as if a contrail was heading straight for land with no aircraft leading the way. I began to panic because this falling object was moving very fast and close enough to affect me if causing an aftershock upon arrival.

• 6:40Danielle LaRock?

  When suddenly, the contrail cleared, there was a UAP headed straight for the river. The aircraft looked like a combination of a small military jet and an arrowhead, without any divots or bulges. The oddest part about its appearance was that it was glowing bright green and purple entirely. As it rapidly approached the river, maybe about 40 feet above the water, this UAP flashed and disappeared with a short and quiet boom. It looked so much like a regular military jet, but I can't seem to explain away the sudden appearance in the middle of the sky, the bright colors of the ship, and the way it disappeared. Even if it was a normal aircraft that exploded, there was no debris. My concept of time felt altered as well.

• 7:23Danielle LaRock?

  This happened all within 30 seconds, but it felt as though I was watching it in slow motion, regardless of its fast descent. And it was so close, I could see it so clearly. Although I've never thought much about what would happen or how I'd feel if I saw a UFO, I do believe they would have technology to track and find any witnesses to their existence. I'm hoping that whoever or whatever was on that ship is alive and well, and that they were too focused on not crashing to notice me. After this sighting, I had to pause the tooth and claw episode I was listening to, and my jaw dropped, stunned for the next 10 minutes trying to process what I just saw. I submitted my sighting to the UFO database, and I have linked it below. They'll be investigating my report and potentially uploading it to the database.

• 8:07Danielle LaRock?

  If anyone is curious, it would- Be the log from May 25th, 2025 at 4:30 a.m. in Arlington, Oregon. I don't have a photo of the ship, unfortunately, but I attached a cute little pic I got of Mount Hood about an hour later for good measure. Let this be a reminder for everyone. Enjoy the view, but keep your eyes in the sky. Steph.

• 8:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't know if I can debunk that. I also don't know a lot about aircrafts and drones and things like that, but.

• 8:32Danielle LaRock?

  This story reminds me so much. It like time warped me back into, I must have been, I don't know, maybe 12 or 13 and I was driving. I can still picture it so clear as day. I was driving with my dad back to Connecticut because I had just been dropped off by my mom. Like halfway through, they would always like kind of hand me over and it was the, it was nighttime and we were on the highway. There wasn't any other cars on the road and we were talking, whatever, chit chatting. And then all of a sudden we saw a, something very similar to this description. And it kind of like, there was, it was dark enough that it was black outside,

• 9:13Danielle LaRock?

  but you could still kind of see the outlines of the mountains and stuff and the hills. And it was kind of like skirting above that outline. And then it took a like a little, a sharp decline and it looked like it went into the water on either side of the highway. And my dad, like mid conversation, he's like, oh, he's like, look, look, look, look. And I saw it and he pulled over and he was like, that was some, that was just something. And he was going through all the things. He's like, it wasn't like a comet or meteor or whatever. There was no tail on it. It didn't look like a shooting star. It was, and he was losing his mind. And he was try, I'm like, I'm 12. I don't know what I just saw, but I know my dad's excited, so I'm excited.

• 9:58Danielle LaRock?

  And we got back and this was the early 2000s, like Google was around and stuff, but he like emailed a bunch of people like in the field and been, and described what it is we saw in a lot of detail and was basically asking them to debunk it. He's like, can you tell me what I saw? And based on his description, a lot of them were like, it doesn't really match anything that, you know, we're familiar with, but not to say it's an alien or UFO or whatever. But he was, he loved that. And I was so happy because I got to kind of experience it.

• 10:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, even if it wasn't something, it's still a fun.

• 10:38Danielle LaRock?

  It's still a fun memory.

• 10:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's exciting.

• 10:40Danielle LaRock?

  I don't think it was a UFO.

• 10:43Danielle LaRock?

  But it was fun nonetheless. So going back to Steph, I don't know, who am I to say?

• 10:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  We can't say if it was or was not aliens.

• 10:52Danielle LaRock?

  It's just interesting that it disappeared right above the water and are like, was she saying it went into the water or it just disappeared right above it?

• 11:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  It sounds like it just disappeared. It's the lights that are kind of like something that glows green and purple. I can't think of any aircrafts that I know of.

• 11:11Danielle LaRock?

  What aircraft would be dive bombing into the water with no?

• 11:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 11:15Danielle LaRock?

  Like then it just goes away? I don't know.

• 11:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, it seems like an alien.

• 11:20Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, and it's around Mount Hood.

• 11:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  Which is known for some, some stuff going on.

• 11:26Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 11:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  So.

• 11:27Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 11:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Probably aliens.

• 11:29Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, we're not going to debunk. We personally won't debunk it, but.

• 11:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  Maybe other people will.

• 11:34Danielle LaRock?

  Maybe other people will, yeah.

• 11:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Who know more about it than we do.

• 11:38Danielle LaRock?

  We don't know shit.

• 11:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, we don't know.

• 11:40Danielle LaRock?

  Don't ask us.

• 11:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, don't ask us, but we think aliens.

• 11:49Danielle LaRock?

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• 12:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  My next story is titled "Started From The Bottom." Start from the bottom of my head. Hello ladies, I absolutely love listening to the podcast and hearing about all the amazing national parks. The stories have inspired a few of my trips and led to many great trail tales. The story I'd like to share today took place a few years ago when I was going to graduate school and had a small break from class in the form of a four-day weekend. Feeling burnt out from all the schoolwork, I decided to take an impromptu trip to visit a friend out in Colorado. I love to hike, but being from the Midwest, our trails are more like scenic walks consisting of flat prairie, lakes, and forest. While the nature here is beautiful, I wanted to see mountains, and though it would be only a short trip, I was determined to summit a 14er. While this

• 13:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  would be my first big hike, I had been regularly running and hiking at the time, so I figured that this would be a reasonably attainable goal. Wanting to make the most of my time and hike the best 14er I could, I settled upon Mount Albert. My friend who lived in Colorado warned me about altitude sickness and stressed how important it was for us to summit before the afternoon storms rolled in. We planned to hike on the last full day of my trip to give me two days to acclimate to the altitude. In the days prior, we did two shorter hikes, and I was feeling good about my endurance. Yes, the elevation was something new, but I was energized and vowed to not let the 14er get the better of me. The day of the hike, we set off shortly before daybreak in high hopes of reaching the summit before 11:00.

• 13:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  The first hour, we maintained a decent pace, and I admired the beauty around me, gentle streams and lush vegetation. It was around the second hour that I felt my stomach gurgle, unfortunately not with hunger. I personally hate using the bathroom outdoors as I feel incredibly vulnerable, so I made my friend stand guard on the trail to ensure no one would come up trapezing through accidentally. Thankfully, they had the foresight to bring along supplies, and I found a spot in the brush to do my business. A little embarrassed, I rejoined my friend on the trail and we continued our ascent. Past the tree line, I began to slow down my pace. It wasn't that my muscles were sore, but I began to feel like each step required additional effort on my behalf. Friend began to pull away as they maintained our usual pace.

• 14:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  Noticing my sluggishness, they slowed with me and we continued on. I could tell they were anxious as they repeatedly checked their watch and I resolved to push through this lethargic spell so that we could reach the summit in time. I recognized that the altitude was affecting me, but I didn't realize just how bad it was hitting me until we were walking along an open section dotted with scree. My stomach struck with a vengeance and I knew I had a matter of seconds before my pants were ruined. I quickly bounced over some vegetation, dropped trow and plopped myself among the rocks. Mortified, my friend continued on and I took note of my surroundings. With no trees nearby, I was completely exposed out in the open, but thankfully no hikers were around to witness me hit rock bottom, quite literally.

• 15:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  I felt like Maya Rudolph's character in Bridesmaids.

• 15:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  You know which scene I'm talking about. Yes.

• 15:22Danielle LaRock?

  It's happening.

• 15:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's happening.

• 15:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yes, I was really doing it. I was shitting in the rocks. You're in the rocks instead of in the middle of New York City.

• 15:34Danielle LaRock?

  Shitting in the street.

• 15:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Shitting in the street or in the bathroom.

• 15:40Danielle LaRock?

  Oh my god.

• 15:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Sitting in the sink.

• 15:42Danielle LaRock?

  Maybe one of the last iconic movies of our generation.

• 15:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  I loved Bridemaid, Bridesmaids. It was so funny and I think it's so relatable. When your best friend gets married and then their other best friends are there, you're like, you know, what are they doing here?

• 16:01Danielle LaRock?

  That's what you're about to put me through. Literally tomorrow.

• 16:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Literally tomorrow.

• 16:08Danielle LaRock?

  How dare you?

• 16:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's like, it's just so relatable for every friendship, you know? It's just like, you have the one friend that's like over the top, the other one like giving out puppies and the other one's like, wait, but the memories and I don't know, it's just, the movie's gold. If you haven't seen it.

• 16:24Danielle LaRock?

  The last time I watched it was on Nataia's bachelorette party last year. Was it last year or was it two years ago?

• 16:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  I feel like it was last year. She got married last summer. Yeah.

• 16:36Danielle LaRock?

  It was last summer.

• 16:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 16:37Danielle LaRock?

  Between all you guys, I swear to God, I have been a bridesmaid or maid of honor so many times.

• 16:46Danielle LaRock?

  It's just like F one after the other, after the other.

• 16:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  You're just an important member of a lot of people's lives.

• 16:52Danielle LaRock?

  I am.

• 16:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's a good thing.

• 16:54Danielle LaRock?

  But anyway, we watched it on our last night.

• 16:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's really cute.

• 16:59Danielle LaRock?

  Into the big, like, great room of the Airbnb we were at and on the Cape and watched brides. It was just iconic.

• 17:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, that's gonna be us in Acadia when it's raining the entire time we're there.

• 17:10Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, my God. I keep looking at the weather. I'm like, it's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

• 17:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  Until we get there.

• 17:16Danielle LaRock?

  Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, rain, rain, rain, rain. And then it's like sunny, sunny. Just here weekend. Like, oh, no, it'll change.

• 17:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  Maybe. Thursday actually has changed where it's supposed to be really nice all day. So I'm like, maybe we can like hustle up there and get some, get a hike in, I don't know, to something outside.

• 17:35Danielle LaRock?

  Well, and it's like, also, I know a lot of the girls, just either I know of them or I've met them before. But never all together. And so in my mind, I'm like, I'm going to Acadia with Cassie. We're gonna be bebop, or we're gonna be hiking, we're gonna be do this and that. And then I'm like, oh, wait. I don't think we're hiking, truly hiking.

• 17:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm gonna, I don't think everyone will want to participate in hiking, but I, it's my weekend. And I think I'm gonna like, wanna dip out as like an optional hiking opportunity for people who want to go. There's time, there's time on Saturday if it's not downpouring on us.

• 18:12Danielle LaRock?

  Right, right.

• 18:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  Um, and there's time on Friday, also if it's not downpouring.

• 18:17Danielle LaRock?

  I'm so excited for the boat tour.

• 18:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  Me too.

• 18:19Danielle LaRock?

  If it's not raining. It's, we're gonna, it's gonna be great and amazing no matter what.

• 18:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm gonna see puffins. Yeah. I also booked us all, I guess I haven't told any of you guys this, so surprise. I booked us all a sunset kayaking tour in the ocean.

• 18:32Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, no, you told, I knew that. Amy told me that.

• 18:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, okay.

• 18:35Danielle LaRock?

  You told Amy and Amy told everyone.

• 18:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  Uh, that makes sense. She can't keep her mouth shut.

• 18:41Danielle LaRock?

  She also is in charge of telling everyone what's happening, so it's not her fault. But it's true, you, you haven't told anybody.

• 18:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  But everyone else knows. Okay. Well, surprise.

• 18:53Danielle LaRock?

  Which will be fun.

• 18:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, except I booked it on the day that it's supposed to rain the worst. Everyone's gonna be like, thank you for booking this.

• 19:01Danielle LaRock?

  Thank you. We can't see the sunset. I'm cold and wet.

• 19:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's raining. It's forty-five degrees.

• 19:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  And we're in the middle of the ocean battling for our lives.

• 19:14Danielle LaRock?

  Fighting for our lives, whatever. It builds character.

• 19:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  It builds something. Sometimes trauma.

• 19:19Danielle LaRock?

  She's there, she's shitting in the rocks.

• 19:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  Anyway, she's shitting on rocks like bridesmaids. A noise to my left and away from the trail startled me and I turned to see a marmot popping up from a pile of rocks in the distance. As I focused on it, more movement caught my eye. Soon I noticed two, then four marmots scrambling across the scree. One in particular approached me and sat on a rock just out of arm's reach, looking at me as if judging my poor decisions. Weekened and feeling like I had just single-handedly offended this group of marmots, I finished up and continued on with my hike. By this point, my friend was a dot on the mountainside and I hustled up to catch up with them. We reached the first fall summit much later than anticipated and saw dark clouds in the

• 20:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  distance. Still determined, we pressed on along the saddle. It wasn't long before the storm rolled in and lightning flashed across the summit. This was the point that we realized besting the 14er wouldn't be possible and decided to swallow our pride. We turned around and made for the descent. In my lack of experience, I didn't realize just how fast the winds would move across the ridgeline and we were soon drenched with rain. All I could think about was how easily a bolt of lightning could strike us up here and how foolish a decision it was for us to have continued on. Adding insult to injury, it began to hail. Small stones of ice pelted us as we bounded over rocks and hurried along the trail. We finally reached the end of the fall summit and began a quick descent down the mountainside.

• 20:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  Perhaps too quick of a descent, I became bloated and uncomfortable as we made our way to the tree line. Pretty soon, I couldn't hold it in any longer. With each step, I tried to discreetly release a little bit of gas while I hung back from my friend. Of course, I failed to mute the noise. Step fart, step fart.

• 21:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  It was the most uncomfortable descent I could imagine. My friend and I spoke very little, I'm sure, as we trekked back to the parking lot, which unfortunately only made my flatulence more obvious to passing hikers.

• 21:18Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, no.

• 21:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  The cart ride back to the town was quiet and I knew we were both disappointed with the hike's outcome. I drove back to the Midwest the next day with sore, achy muscles, nursing a bottle of Gatorade as I recovered from altitude sickness. I felt defeated and exhausted. I so badly wished I could have completed the hike and summited my first 14er, but in retrospect, I'm glad we turned around. I recognize how naive it was of me to not properly acclimate and how dangerous it was to continue hiking after witnessing lightning less than a mile away. I'm lucky things turned out the way it did. Overall, my attempt at a 14er was a humbling lesson. While perseverance is admirable, it's okay to call off a hike, especially if you're feeling sick or in danger of the elements.

• 22:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  Also, if your trail buddy has explosive diarrhea on the side of the mountain, please don't abandon them to be judged by marmots. I've gained more experience since then and even met my husband, who is an incredibly supportive trail buddy. With his encouragement, we've summited Mauna Kea in Hawaii and hiked to the Harding Icefield in Alaska after taking the proper precautions, of course. And when we got married, it wasn't in a chapel or a courthouse, but out in nature in our hiking boots. Kaylee.

• 22:30Danielle LaRock?

  I feel like, I want to say we've all been there, but I, knock on wood, have never had explosive diarrhea on the trail.

• 22:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, I've never had, I've had to go to the bathroom on the trail, but I've never had explosive diarrhea while, I got my period. Oh, actually, I got my period on Mount Washington and it was a surprise.

• 22:48Danielle LaRock?

  The worst time for my period when hiking was when we were in Patagonia. And it was one of the, I don't know, I don't remember what hike it was, but you'll remember the, at the trailhead, it's the day that Ashley had those zip pants that she was showing us.

• 23:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  The zip pants.

• 23:05Danielle LaRock?

  And like, the bathroom was that, the most disgusting outhouse I've ever seen in my whole life. You literally opened it and you're like, I'm not going in there. And you turned right around.

• 23:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  I do remember that.

• 23:16Danielle LaRock?

  That day, I was like, it was one of those days like TMI, but I was like, I am whatever tampon I have in right now is like, is a fallen soldier and it's not doing anything to help me, you know? And I was just like hiking and I just knew, I'm like, this is gonna be a, this is gonna be a bad situation.

• 23:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  This is gonna be a bloodbath.

• 23:36Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, literally, yeah. And then, so like, we finally get back down and I'm like, where can I go to like, try and address this? And I saw that I would have type of situation. I'm like, I can't, I can't do it.

• 23:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's not that much of an emergency.

• 23:51Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, it's like, I'm just gonna bleed out. It's fine.

• 23:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  No worries.

• 23:54Danielle LaRock?

  We were with mostly women anyway. Who cares?

• 23:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  Who cares?

• 24:02Danielle LaRock?

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• 24:43Danielle LaRock?

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• 25:11Danielle LaRock?

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• 25:22Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, my next story is titled "Answering the Call for Family Lore Spooky Edition." First time caller, longtime listener. My girlfriend and I are both avid outdoors people who love the podcast and always listen to and from every camping trip we take together. I've always wanted to submit a story to you, but haven't had anything interesting enough happen to me while in the outdoors or national parks. Trust me, when that happens, you'll be the first to hear about it. But a few weeks ago, when Danielle put out the call for weird family lore stories, I instantly thought to myself, "Finally, this is my chance, and I hope it's not too morbid for you." Trigger warning: The following contains talks of suicide. My story starts all the way back when my dad was a teenager growing up in Burlington,

• 26:05Danielle LaRock?

  a distant suburb of Toronto, Ontario, with his parents, two brothers and one sister. One night, while some of the family was out of the house, my dad, Doug, and his oldest brother, Dave, were hanging out at home. Dave was upstairs in his room while my dad was all the way in the basement, listening to his records. Some time had passed and my grandparents returned home to find my dad in the basement, music still blaring. "Where is Dave?" they asked. "Upstairs, I think," my dad replied. What they found next was truly devastating. Dave had taken his own life. Dave had always been a gifted athlete, playing sports all throughout high school. Sports were everything to him, but due to some health problems that had arisen, he was looking at the possibility of having his legs amputated.

• 26:48Danielle LaRock?

  Although no one can say for sure, this may have been the catalyst for the self-inflicted gunshot that ended his life. The police were called and questioned my dad as he was the only one home at the time. He told them whatever information he could, but ultimately didn't hear anything due to his records being played in the basement. At the time, my dad's family weren't very well off and couldn't afford to extract the bullet from the wall, so instead, my grandpa plastered over the hole and repainted the room. Time went on and everyone slowly adjusted to their new normal. Fast forward many years later, my parents Fell in love and had two children, my older sister Danielle and me, Jessie. To help out our young and growing family, my grandparents sold my dad the house and downsized to a condo.

• 27:32Danielle LaRock?

  My sister and I spent our whole childhood in that house unaware of what had happened. And at that point unaware that we even had an Uncle Dave. One night, when my sister was about eight years old, she had been startled awake from a bad dream. This wasn't uncommon, she can be quite dramatic at times. Hearing her screaming out, my mom got out of bed and tried to settle her down. Half asleep, she walked down the hall to the room. That's right, the room. I'll never understand why my parents put my sister in that bedroom. It was a four bedroom house, so we had, so we had a spare, but I digress. When she got there, she found my sister crying frantically. And it was soon obvious that maybe she wasn't just being dramatic this time. My mom, being the ever calm and cool parent she is, sat on the edge of Danielle's bed

• 28:16Danielle LaRock?

  and started into motions of settling Danielle back down to sleep. What happened? She asked. I had a bad dream. What was the dream about? She replied on the verge of nodding off herself. Danielle replied, I dreamt that there was a man in my room and he was painting the walls red. My mom jolted to life as the hair started to stand on the back of her neck. But trying to keep it together, she asked, oh, and where was this man standing? Without hesitation, my sister pointed right to the area of the wall that had been patched so many years before. My mom's blood ran cold, but like the pro she is, she never let on and eventually got my sister to go back to sleep. The very next morning, she packed up everything in Danielle's room and moved her into the spare.

• 28:57Danielle LaRock?

  Now, I will admit, I have never been a big believer in ghosts or the supernatural. But when my mom told me this story for the first time years later, it sent a shiver down my spine. And I can't help but wonder, was that really my uncle that Danielle saw in her dream that night? Or was it all just a coincidence? So that's my story and I hope you enjoyed it. I know that it doesn't reach back many generations, but it's a piece of lore told within my circle of family and friends all the same. Thank you for reading, Jessie. How is that a coincidence?

• 29:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, painting the wall red. I mean, and because your sister. Just felt so shaken by it.

• 29:34Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Whereas I feel like it just must have felt so real, you know? Which I also think adds some validity to this being a part of something bigger.

• 29:44Danielle LaRock?

  Like connected.

• 29:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 29:46Danielle LaRock?

  In some way. And to point out the exact part of the room, she's completely unaware. She doesn't even know this man existed.

• 29:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's really her mom's reaction that like solidifies it for me. It's like if her mom didn't really think that this was connected in kind of like a darker way somehow, or just like not a good way for a child to be exposed to, she wouldn't have the very next morning got up and moved. Moving your stuff sucks. Like rearranging and moving out of a room is not fun. So to do that, you had to really have a reason to do that immediately after she has that dream.

• 30:21Danielle LaRock?

  I will say, when I was growing up, I loved rearranging my room. I'm like, what can I do to make this new and fresh?

• 30:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  I did use to move my bed all the time. And then I'd stand and stare at my room and be like, ah, I did it. And then no one would come over.

• 30:37Danielle LaRock?

  I never invited anyone and I just liked, I don't know, just.

• 30:40Cassandra Yahnian?

  Your space.

• 30:41Danielle LaRock?

  Staying busy and like the Feng Shui of it being new and I don't know.

• 30:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 30:46Danielle LaRock?

  But anyway, yeah, I don't think it was coincidence, but who am I to say?

• 30:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  We did ask for family lore, so thank you for sharing.

• 31:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  My next story is titled, Let Me Tell You About Hot Springs. Hi ladies, my name is Turner and I've been a sporadic listener since your Sinisterhood crossover. But I've been binging the podcast since I listened to your Hot Springs episode with my fiance, now husband, on our way to Hot Springs National Park to get married in October of two thousand and twenty-four. Very cool. I grew up going to Hot Springs every summer, so that national park is near and dear to my heart. But as much as I love Hot Springs, I feel like it has a reputation for being a not so cool natural park. But there is so much beauty in Arkansas that gets overlooked and I just wanted to tell y'all about it and share some photos. My mother's side of the family have all been born in. Raised in Hot Springs area for at least the last five generations.

• 31:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  I broke tradition a little as the sixth since I was born in North Arkansas. They all went to the same small high school for the same small towns. And there are roads named after our family due to how long they have lived in the area. My great, great grandparents were forced to sell their family land to build Lake Hamilton. And later, my great grandparents and great aunts and uncles had to sell their new family homestead to build Lake De Gray. My mother remembers crying, having to say goodbye to the family homes and how mad everyone was at for being forced out of the area. But they still stayed because they loved their home and I'm writing today because I love it too. My husband and I were married in the Garvin Gardens portion of the National Park, which is operated by the University of Arkansas in the Anthony Chapel.

• 32:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  I grew up watching the construction of the chapel and making trips to the gardens and historic sites with my grandma Noni. I was 12 when I decided I was getting married there, even if it took another 18 years for that to actually happen. It's a manicured area that puts on seasonal events, including holiday lights, which is how I first got introduced to hiking. Little me, holding my hot chocolate in my mama's hand and puffy purple coat, wandering around the paths and trails to see the lights in the cold of December. The gardens is a great place to get into the parks since there are a lot of people, well-maintained paved paths and just beautiful natural flora there. It's stunning. Our family would go to filling stations to get water from the springs for the week. There's nothing quite like spring water and marvel at the Wasatcham Mountains.

• 33:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  The mountains were awe-striking, especially in the spring and fall when the leaves are changing colors and coming back to life. The mountain tower is a must-visit when you go because the view it gives of the mountains. You can see for miles and sometimes it doesn't seem like there's anyone else in the world. The paths are winding and quiet and I feel most at ease in those woods. Even if I did watch a black bear raid by Noni's tomatoes one summer. She was so mad she didn't have enough to can as much salsa as she needed for Christmas that year. In addition to being a beautiful area, the area is steeped in history. From Al Capone to ferry crossings for people traveling west to the Arlington Hotel. And even the buildings, everything there has history, even the land not in the park.

• 33:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  Minone and Carol owned, I think, about a hundred acres of land in Hot Springs Village, outside the national park, right on the river. While they sold that land to friends and acquaintances over the years to build their dream homes, one thing they ensured was that the historic cemetery on their property was preserved. When I was a child, we would spend days cleaning the land around the cemetery and making sure that the people buried there were honored. We would upright the overturned and broken, long since illegible headstones, remove the poison ivy and oak, and we had a small area for artifacts like broken glass, wires, and wood that likely once marked off the cemetery. Minone was never able to confirm who was buried there or why, and she wasn't able to get the state to recognize the land.

• 34:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  But since she and my Carol were in charge of the development of the land, such as naming roads and such built on the property, they made sure it was marked as historical and not for development by the county. Our family thinks it was likely a cemetery from the 1800s for enslaved persons since it was located in what would have been a remote area that was being developed for the ferry and enslaved persons who would have most likely been living in that area. The South's history with slavery is a black stain. The hours I spent exploring their land, going to museums, and enjoying the park have made me who I am. I live in Houston now, which feels so far removed from nature and from the national park I considered my second home as a child. But my home is still in the forests and mountains. I truly hope you get a chance to experience it in person.

• 35:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  On a personal note, Danielle, I wanted to offer my deepest condolences for your loss of Ian. I worked as a death investigator for several years and have seen how grief is an emotion that sits with you for the rest of your life. It may have been some time since his passing, but grief doesn't shrink, you just make more room. He was a beautiful soul, and your love for him is transcendent. I'm sending so many virtual hugs your way, always. Thank you for sharing him and your journey with us as much as you have. It's helped me process some of my own grief, as death is something we all experience. I'm so disappointed I didn't get a spot on the upcoming Outsiders camping trip in Hawaii, but I'm looking forward to trying to make the next one. You ladies, keep being amazing. Turner.

• 36:04Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, I love that one just because it showed just like so much love and appreciation for a park. And I think most of us have just kind of like this visitor lens of parks of like, oh, that was cool. And I had a really good like week there or whatever, you know, or a couple of days. And then there are people who it's just like so intertwined with their lives and their families' lives. And I just love that. It was like a little love letter to Hot Springs.

• 36:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. And it's kind of a reminder that these places are also people's homes.

• 36:36Danielle LaRock?

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 36:45Danielle LaRock?

  My last story is titled A Silly Goose and a Horny Grouse.

• 36:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh.

• 36:49Danielle LaRock?

  Which sharp.

• 36:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay. Okay. Let's do it.

• 36:54Danielle LaRock?

  Hello, Cassie and Danielle. First off, I have to start off by telling you how much I love the pod. My name is Amanda. Feel free to share. Your podcast has been my companion on many solo runs and long drives to various adventures. My husband and I recently went to Yosemite to hike to May Lake, which is a high alpine lake off of Tioga Road. Tioga Road is closed for the winter and early spring every year, and it had just opened this last week, so we jumped at the first chance we had to explore some trails off of it. I am an anxious human being by nature, but my husband is calm as a cucumber. Needless to say, after a 3 a.m. wake up call, a three hour drive to the park, and too much coffee on an empty stomach, my nerves were jangled. We got to the entrance off

• 37:37Danielle LaRock?

  of Tioga Road and the gate was closed, so we added on the additional two miles up the road to the trailhead. When we got to the trailhead, the entire trail was covered in several feet of snow, but we were able to navigate the first half mile by footprints of previous hikers. We got about a quarter mile from the lake when we both heard this deep, worrying noise. Confused, we stopped and my husband asked if I heard the noise. I nodded but brushed it off as a plain. We kept hiking and a few moments later, we heard it again, but this time it was closer. My mind instantly went to bears or another large animal because of how deep. The sound was. My husband tried to calm me down by saying whatever it was would leave

• 38:18Danielle LaRock?

  us alone, but I was not so convinced. We hiked further and we heard it a third time, and it sounded like it was from right over one of the snow banks. At this point, I was thoroughly spooked, as we were the only people within miles on this hike. I turned on my heel and started hiking as fast as I could out of there. To make matters worse, we saw a large area in the snow where the snow was a deep red color and some prints nearby. At this point, I was thoroughly convinced that some worrying bear was stalking us and we were its next victim, and I ha- and I high-tailed it out of there with my husband hot on my heels, trying to calm me down. When we were away from the dreaded noise, he joked, "Watch, it'll be something silly like a bird that scared us away." We ended up hiking by Tenaya

• 39:01Danielle LaRock?

  Lake instead, and on the way home, I decided to Google "animal deep worrying noise Yosemite", and sure enough, it was a freaking bird. The Sooty grouse makes a deep worrying noise when it is looking for a mate. So I got spooked off this trail by a horny bird. We also Googled red snow in the Sierra, and it's called watermelon snow, and it is caused by an algae. Oh, we saw that in, um, Alaska? We saw that in Alaska. Up on, um, the, uh, har- I almost said Harding Icefield. Where did we, what was the ice field we went, we hiked to?

• 39:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  One was the Har- I-

• 39:37Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, was it that?

• 39:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 39:39Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, up there. I have pictures of it.

• 39:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 39:42Danielle LaRock?

  Um, I have pictures of the snow. It looked like, um, it wasn't a circular pattern?

• 39:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  I didn't go to the ice field.

• 39:49Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, right. Okay. It was like, um, it looked like a trail. It looked like something had dragged a bloody body, but it was, um-

• 39:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  Algae.

• 39:59Danielle LaRock?

  But it was algae.

• 40:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  Interesting. It's scary.

• 40:01Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, super interesting. I didn't know it was called watermelon snow, though. Um, okay, yes, and it's caused by an algae. Moral of the story is to trust your partner when they tell you to remain calm, and don't trust everything your sleep-deprived, over-caffeinated brain tells you. I have attached a Google image of what this bird looks like and a photo of my husband and I enjoying the lake after our failed hike. Enjoy the view, but watch your back. You never know if a horny bird- Following you sincerely, Amanda. Before we move on, I I wa- I'm gonna type in Sudie Grouse. I wanna hear it because was I with you? Was I with you? It was either you or Ian at um, Mountain St. Helens. And there was like some weird noise coming from a bush that I was really afraid of. And wasn't it a bird?

• 40:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, it was a bird. It was like kinda towards the end of the trail.

• 40:50Danielle LaRock?

  Yes.

• 40:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  And we were like, what, what is that? And everyone was kinda looking around and we're like, is it a bird? But it was on a weird like edge and you couldn't see everything.

• 40:59Danielle LaRock?

  And there was, there's a bunch of mountain lion warnings around there. And we had seen some scat and stuff. So I'm like, I don't know. So it kinda reminds me of that Sudie Grouse mating call. I just wanna play it to see if like we too would be that concerned or if we'd be like, that's definitely a bird.

• 41:19Danielle LaRock?

  Even though you did get scared by a chicken.

• 41:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  I did get scared by a chicken.

• 41:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  It does sound pretty familiar.

• 41:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's been a while, but.

• 41:38Danielle LaRock?

  Is that what we heard? You think?

• 41:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  You would think that that was definitely a bird.

• 41:45Danielle LaRock?

  That doesn't sound like a bear to me.

• 41:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  It kinda has like a weird huffing to it, though. It's like.

• 41:51Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, that's true. And if you're like already on edge.

• 41:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 41:56Danielle LaRock?

  Like, that's it.

• 42:00Danielle LaRock?

  Cool. Is that it?

• 42:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, that's our last story for you guys. We do have two more on Patreon. Mine is titled What Lurks in the Woods.

• 42:09Danielle LaRock?

  And mine is titled Chainsaws, Colts, and Asleep Paralysis Demon.

• 42:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, man. So if you wanna hear these, you can join us on Patreon or um, on Apple subscriptions. I guess for a plugin for Patreon. If you're not on Patreon yet, we do offer a lot more than just these extra bonus stories. You can listen ad free. We have bonus episodes every month. We have itineraries. We have a book club.

• 42:36Danielle LaRock?

  And Turner, when you were like, I'm bummed I didn't get a spot on your Hawaii trip. Well, just so you know, our trips do book up really fast. Like, we'll give you guys that. Whoever gets on them, God bless. But there are some people who, plans come up. I mean, we book these like a year in advance, things come up. And when people have to cancel, and we have an opening on whatever trip it may be, we always post it to Patreon first.

• 43:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Danielle LaRock?

  So that you get first dibs over there.

• 43:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 43:05Danielle LaRock?

  Yep.

• 43:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  There's a lot of cool benefits over there.

• 43:07Danielle LaRock?

  We do live streams once a month.

• 43:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, we do.

• 43:11Danielle LaRock?

  We do a lot on Patreon, I feel like.

• 43:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  We do do a lot on Patreon. Yeah, from the book club, the live streams, the live stream, we do a live stream, but then we have a live stream book club meeting. So we really have two live streams that we do every month.

• 43:23Danielle LaRock?

  Yep.

• 43:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 43:25Danielle LaRock?

  Yep.

• 43:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Discord, to hang out with all our community on there. We have merch benefits. There's a lot of stuff on there.

• 43:33Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, yeah, we offer 20% off.

• 43:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, this last drop.

• 43:37Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  So.

• 43:38Danielle LaRock?

  We did.

• 43:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  Just saying. Just saying, if you want to be an outsider, it's pretty cool over there.

• 43:45Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, well, oh, hello.

• 43:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hi. Oh, hi.

• 43:50Danielle LaRock?

  Atticus is here.

• 43:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  Kiss. I almost said Atlas.

• 43:54Danielle LaRock?

  Hi, Atticus.

• 43:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, there are so a lot of noises in the microphone.

• 44:03Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, so I'm trying to work. This is called working. And it's not for you.

• 44:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  How long has he been at your house now?

• 44:15Danielle LaRock?

  I know people are gonna be like, that's not Chaska. I don't know, I just miss having two dogs. I think there's an energy about it that's fun. And, yeah, so my sister, uh, very generously lends me her dog Atticus when I'm feeling, uh, like I need some affection because Chaska is amazing and perfect and lovely in every way. But he is not a, um, he doesn't really want to be near. He wants to be near me and within sight of me, but he doesn't want me to touch him.

• 44:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, like he doesn't want to be cut. cuddled and

• 44:47Danielle LaRock?

  no, like he'll take a pet every once in a while, but aside from that, there is no cuddling or comfort or physical, physical touch is not his love language, which is totally fine. But when I had Blue, I mean, for nine years, Blue was so affectionate and he was

• 45:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  so cuddly.

• 45:06Danielle LaRock?

  cuddle bug and just like, I miss having that, especially being alone and just, I don't know, like you just need some physical companionship sometimes. And I just feel like when I feel a little extra lonely or going through it, I text Alyssa, I'm like, hey, so I'm gonna need to take Atticus for a little bit. And she's like, I have a toddler, please take him off my hands.

• 45:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  I was gonna say, he's been at your house for like weeks.

• 45:35Danielle LaRock?

  She hasn't even asked me like when I'm bringing him back. She's just like, see, she gives me, she gives me a huge thing of his food, like enough to last like months. She's like, see ya. Like, just so you know, he's doing fine. And she's like, oh, right. Yeah.

• 45:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  Good. Yeah. Who?

• 45:55Danielle LaRock?

  Who is this? Who are you talking about?

• 45:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 45:58Danielle LaRock?

  So anyway, okay. Well, yeah, that's it. Outsiders, we'll see you in a moment. Everyone else, please enjoy the view.

• 46:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  But watch your back.

• 46:06Danielle LaRock?

  Bye, everyone.

• 46:07Cassandra Yahnian?

  Bye.

• 46:08Danielle LaRock?

  Thank you for joining us again this week. If you have a trail tale of your own you'd like to share, you can write to us at [email protected] or visit our website at NPADpodcast.com. Bonus trail tales and content are available to Patreon members and Apple subscribers. Follow the show on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and X at National Park After Dark. And if you prefer to watch our episodes, you can find us on YouTube at National Park After Dark. And as always, if you enjoy the show, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

• 46:55Danielle LaRock?

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