Taylor Frankie Paul: The Next Bachelorette

Join Alex in the studio as she reveals this season’s new Bachelorette, Taylor Frankie Paul! Taylor opens up about healing from her past, what she’s looking for in a husband, and what all of this means for MomTok. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:27Alex Cooper?

  What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:36Alex Cooper?

  Taylor Frankie Paul, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:39Alex Cooper?

  I think let's just get right into it.

• 2:40Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:41Alex Cooper?

  You are on Call Her Daddy so we can officially announce that you are this season's bachelorette. How are you feeling?

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Uh, to be honest surreal. I had, it has not hit me like right now in this moment. I'm just thinking about it and it's like, it's not real. It's not real. And it's not going to be until I think I the limo, the limo is pulling up, you know, and be like meeting the people. So nervous. Um, how did I get here? Like in my head, I'm like, how is this happening? That is my little, it's my answer.

• 3:17Alex Cooper?

  Well, I would also say like, I think people are going to be so shocked and surprised for multiple reasons. First being that this was supposed to be the season of The Bachelor. Like there is supposed to be a man that's sitting there right now that I'm announcing and instead it's you, which is the best surprise ever. But how did it get to be you?

• 3:37Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll give my perspective. I don't know like how that works out in my favor, but I was, I made a TikTok actually being like, you know, well, because people are like, you should go on The Bachelor. My, obviously my relationship was not, you know, it didn't work out or it wasn't working out and people could see that and like, you should just, you know, go on The Bachelor. I used to see like little side comments. So I made a funny video and this was actually three years prior. I made the same video, but I was like, hey, I'm single. I think I'm looking for someone. That's what the TikTok's saying. Uh, I hope someone will take me, you know, I'm on probation. I'm also this and all these things aligned that actually had been, it's like a Lindsay Lohan TikTok.

• 4:12Alex Cooper?

  I've seen it.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  So, and then I literally was like, ah, this is funny, Bachelorette, send it off. And then once I did, like, people started tagging, tagging like the Bachelorette, like, you should, you should, you should. And then I don't know if that got their attention or someone was like, yeah, maybe. And then it was mostly, it was a joke to me, like, unattainable.

• 4:28Alex Cooper?

  Right. I'm never gonna be the Bachelorette, but I'll make a fun TikTok.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then I think, yeah, I heard there was some talking and then it was like, we had a meeting and then I, I still didn't believe it until like, I got the invitation, will you be our Bachelorette? And I was just like, I was, same thing, shaking, pacing back and forth. I was like, there's no way, there's no way.

• 4:47Alex Cooper?

  When they offered it to you, did you have any hesitations?

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Um, yes.

• 4:52Alex Cooper?

  Okay, talk to me about those.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  I did. I was, I guess going in my head, I'm like, okay, how do I make this work? I'm a co-parent. I have two baby daddies, not one. So I'm dealing with two different people, right? My children, my home base is here, uh, can I travel that long? Can I be gone that long? But then I'm also thinking on the side, I'm like, I have the other two moms, you know, that are in my group are doing Dancing with the Stars and they brought their family out. But also they have their husbands with them. So for me, I'm like, is this possible for me to do like, as a single mom? Can I make it work realistically, no matter how much I want this? And you know, I was like, I can. If I want to, I can. You can do anything you want, if you want. And it's, that's, it comes down to that. So I was just like, I will make it work. I have a team of people that I don't think I

• 5:35Speaker 03

  utilize, like, you know, I can have them and, you know, help. I can ask for help more and I don't, you know, usually. But I came to a point where I cannot do all of this alone. So, you know, I hired all my family, assistant, nanny, and I was just like, we're gonna do it.

• 5:48Alex Cooper?

  I mean, it is such a huge opportunity and I also recognize that the double standards of being a woman verse be, and a mom verse being a man and verse being a father. It's like the dads get to just go and everyone's like, oh, he's like thriving. And if a mom ends up doing something for herself, it's like, there is a double standard of like, you're such a bad mom. How could you do this? So I do appreciate you sharing that. But there's like a lot of conversations that had to be had in order for you to think about taking. This journey with yourself because it also involves your family.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:18Alex Cooper?

  What was your family's reaction when you told them?

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Also, I think very like shocking. It took a minute for people to actually like, was it? Is this an idea or are you getting it? It was the same thing like, and I think once it actually we saw all the roses and whatnot then it was like, oh, oh? And they're all excited. My mom, obviously my mom was like, I think this is a great opportunity. This is something so new for me because obviously I got married young. Uh, divorced and then the first guy I met was the next relationship. So I have not done the whole meeting new people out. The same like dating at the same time. I don't know the, you know, how the bachelor works. You're dating, right? Like several people. And so. I've never done that. So that will be new to me.

• 6:59Alex Cooper?

  You've never had a roster?

• 7:01Speaker 03

  No.

• 7:01Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna have the biggest roster?

• 7:03Speaker 03

  No.

• 7:03Alex Cooper?

  Is it registering to you yet?

• 7:05Speaker 03

  No, I'm, how do people do it? That's what I've been asking. How, cause I've been asking guys like, how do you guys do it? You, I know you guys like date girls and. I've had flings, sure, when I was younger, but I'm like, this is like different. Like, do you not feel bad? Like, that's gonna be really hard for me. Like. Make, are her people's feelings? Like, what if you do like two people?

• 7:22Alex Cooper?

  It's gonna be fascinating to watch. And I think something that we're all very excited about is you are the first bachelorette. In the history of the entire franchise to be coming. From not the franchise. Like you have not been a part of this. You're coming in fresh. You have no experience with this format. Like. What do you think is going to be the biggest adjustment for you?

• 7:46Speaker 03

  All of it? Clearly, okay. I'll be honest. I've seen the show. I've seen some, you know, I like, I know the Hannah Brown and like Colton. I've seen more of like, I would say. The more recent years, but I am not a reality TV girl. So I don't watch reality TV. So when people are talking about all the huge stars that. People know, you probably know all of them, you know, and I'm like.

• 8:06Alex Cooper?

  It's new to you.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Who that is. Like, sometimes I'm on a billboard and I don't know who I'm next to besides like Kardashian, which I still, I don't, I haven't watched reality TV. So it's not like anything against them. I just, I'm not, I like, I like to leave my reality. My life's kind of crazy. So I like to watch the scripted of where I can like leave, where I live reality TV, right? Like, that's my life. Cameras are not, is chaos, you know, as you guys, I mean, some people have seen.

• 8:28Alex Cooper?

  We've, we've all seen it. But I also think something that I think is exciting, and when you're saying that, is that exact fact, that you aren't familiar completely with the format. And I think what I am excited for you and ABC to do is like, let's lean into that, right? Like, let's see these moments where previously people will be like, well, I was a contestant and I know how to act on a group date. And now when I'm the Bachelorette or the Bachelor, I know how those things go. You're gonna be like, I have no idea what's going on and I'm just gonna go by what I feel, which I think is another part that's gonna really excite people and make the viewing experience different.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like, I don't have, like, I don't have notes of like, how this works or what, because my friends have seen it. We were practicing a rose ceremony and they had, they're all there with, they're pretending to be the men. And I'm like, okay, um, William. Uh, I was literally practicing and I was giving, she's like, no, you don't do that before. You like do that after. And so I was like, oh, I was like, okay, like.

• 9:27Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna be like, what's your name over there with the black shirt? Yeah, you get a rose?

• 9:30Speaker 03

  I was like, you with the blue eyes?

• 9:33Alex Cooper?

  Get over here.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  I'm like, is there a name? Is there a name in here? Like, I don't know. That's the thing is I don't know. And that's, I know like some, but not to the extent of like my friends. They knew what they were doing. I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm gonna ruin it.

• 9:44Alex Cooper?

  It's, you're not gonna ruin it. You're gonna make it your own. And I think that's why this season, like, the world is about to freak out when they find out that you are officially the Bachelorette. I do have to ask, because obviously people are obsessed with the secret lives of Mormon wives. Can we confirm you are still going to be on that show?

• 10:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 10:01Alex Cooper?

  We're doing both.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:02Alex Cooper?

  Um, your fame has been such a topic of conversation with the other women on Mom Talk throughout this entire ride. How do you think being the Bachelorette will impact those friendships?

• 10:19Speaker 03

  I would think.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Sorry, just thinking about CMA, but like.

• 10:27Alex Cooper?

  You're like, you were gonna go for a PR answer, like, I think they'll be happy for me. And then I'm like, bitch.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no. Okay. Learning lesson for all of us. I will say, including myself in that moment. I was a little upset within the 24 hours. We've already discussed that. Okay, enough. But um. I think most of them are gonna be happy for me and support me. I I can't speak for everyone and what they actually truly think, you know, you never really know. But I think we're all kind of doing our own things. And so that's nice that everyone's getting their own shots. And so then you could be like more of like, it's not just about her, her, her, her. And so I love that. Two of our girls dancing with the stars. I'm so excited. I want to be at their first show. I've been so like, I wanted that. For them because they wanted it most so much. And I like when they both got it was amazing. And then obviously you have Macy with her book tour coming up and she's gonna be doing that and.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Probably other things that are in the works that I might not even know about.

• 11:17Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so have you told them that this is happening?

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:20Alex Cooper?

  All of them?

• 11:21Speaker 03

  I think, yeah, most of them. Yeah, I think almost all of them know. Yeah, all of them know.

• 11:24Alex Cooper?

  And did anyone give you a not so positive response?

• 11:28Speaker 03

  No.

• 11:29Alex Cooper?

  All positive?

• 11:29Speaker 03

  All positive. They're like, everyone was like, this is exactly like what you need. And I think it's more so like. Get out of the cycle you've been in. Like, obviously, I've been kind of repeating the same things. And it's just like. It's uncomfortable. It's unknown. I'm but do it, you know?

• 11:44Alex Cooper?

  So you don't think anyone's gonna be having side group chats about this?

• 11:47Speaker 03

  I mean, I I won't. I can't say, but.

• 11:50Alex Cooper?

  I don't know.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  I don't know. I guess we'll see on whatever season we'll be on, you know, like, I don't know.

• 11:56Alex Cooper?

  Fair.

• 12:13Alex Cooper?

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• 13:37Alex Cooper?

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• 14:18Alex Cooper?

  Okay, we need to talk about some pictures that you recently posted of a man with a guitar.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:25Alex Cooper?

  The internet was absolutely freaking out when you kind of, they thought, soft-launched this relationship with this man. What is going on, Taylor?

• 14:37Speaker 03

  Okay, so here's the thing. It's me. I do curveballs all the freaking time of being like, what, huh? And I know that's people's reaction. That's the freaking point. And it wasn't a soft launch, whatever. I've met the guy twice. And so it was funny.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  I thought it was

• 14:55Alex Cooper?

  ABC is literally like code red, code red. What is she doing? They're probably like, wait, wait, what's going on?

• 15:01Speaker 03

  They did, they, I, I, right? They're like, wait, so like, what's, I'm like, guys, it's okay. Like I do this all the time.

• 15:07Alex Cooper?

  They're like, shit.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  I, I, I like to know, I like to just like, what's going on? Like, I'd like to confuse people. It's fun and it's entertaining. I don't know. So I guess I didn't really think that went too much through. Cause I'm like, but, and then I said, said, and I was like, okay, I can understand how this looks, but to, to be honest, I'm going to be honest. I met him twice. Um, likable guy. He's great. Are we official? No, I don't know the guy, right? Or is it a relationship? Nothing along the lines of like people soft ones. Like how, I don't know him, you know?

• 15:36Alex Cooper?

  So why did we post a photo of him?

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Well, I see it wasn't real. You didn't know who it was? Really? So like, what's going on?

• 15:43Alex Cooper?

  The internet though, you're, they like slooped so hard. I think they found him.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  I didn't know it would be like FBI, we're going, that I was like, oh shit, oh shit. Okay. But it doesn't matter. Same, it's the same story. Like he's a great guy. He's nice. He's like respectful. And I wanted to some like, I wanted to date a little bit before, and that's the point is like, I haven't dated, like I need to get back into it and um, that, I mean, don't people date before they go on a dating show? That's the point. And so

• 16:08Alex Cooper?

  And so you guys just had like a, maybe like a summer fling situation?

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Not even.

• 16:12Alex Cooper?

  Not even.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Not, it's so, I don't think people know how like recent this is.

• 16:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait. Where do things stand between you guys? Does he know you're going on the Bachelorette?

• 16:20Speaker 03

  Okay. So he's not from Utah. He's from a different state. And so I was like, I, hey, I don't know you. You don't know me. We seem like we vibe. Come visit.

• 16:27Alex Cooper?

  Wait, how did you meet him?

• 16:29Speaker 03

  Okay. A TikTok live. He was singing and playing guitar. And he doesn't, he doesn't normally, I don't think he's, it was like new to him too. So I, I was like, dude, this guy's got a voice and I've never one watched, sat and watched a TikTok live, really? Nor do I write on them. Okay. So I was the one who was like, you have a really good voice. Can you play this song? And he's like, oh, hey Taylor. Okay. Get this. It's actually a fun story right here. So he, you can't go in, when you're on a live, you can't look at people's like who they are technically. You can see the name. So I was like, I, I was like, that's a good song, blah, blah. He's like, hey Taylor, like where are you from? And I was like Utah Mormon state, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like teasing. And he's like, oh yeah. My ex-girlfriend used to watch that Mormon wife or the, the Mormon wife show. And I was like, oh, I made an appearance in it one time. And he was like, no way you did?

• 17:14Speaker 03

  And so I was like, literally just like teasing him. And then he ended up looking me up after the fact and probably was like, oh, she was just like totally bullshitting me. He's like, what the fuck?

• 17:22Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God. So he flew out. You guys hung out twice.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's only been twice.

• 17:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay, how would you feel? If he showed up, though?

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Okay, so, okay, going back to your original question, like, I did tell him, I was like, when he got here, I was like, oh, by the way, I'm doing the best, and he was just like, oh, like, that's like, there's no feelings there. So it's like, cool. And then he, obviously, he was like, oh, I think, I was like, would you ever do it? The next time he came, I was like, would you ever do that? Come on. And he's like, I don't really want to date on like, reality TV. Like, he's just like a good soul. And for me, all my friends are like, green flag, green flag. The fact that he didn't hop on to that.

• 17:56Alex Cooper?

  Right. That he wasn't like, oh, sign me up. Tell the producers to put me on.

• 17:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was like, he's like, go do your thing. You know, if you meet someone, we weren't meant to be. And if not, like, maybe I'll be here. And I'm like, oh, you're like, mature.

• 18:09Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I can't help but be like, why do I want him to like, come halfway through and crash the season and show up?

• 18:14Speaker 03

  Okay, so I did. I did have that thought. I was like, okay, so he, he has all these, like, these high, so at least I know that there's a good guy there. And it's like, maybe I do meet someone and that wasn't meant to be. But like, let's just say, I don't like anyone. Because I, I asked that. I was like, well, what if I don't find someone? Like, how does this work? Like, do I, like, well, if you don't find someone, you don't find someone. That's that. And, um, so if, let's say, we're down the line, I'm like, still not feeling it, then he, I was like, would you be open to it? And he's like, if it's at the very end, and you still had your mind on it, then yeah, I'd be open to it.

• 18:44Alex Cooper?

  I think, though, what's exciting for you, Taylor, is like you just said, because I've been there. When you have only had, like, two serious relationships, truly, and you get out, and you have the mindset, like, I'm about to start dating, at first, it's terrifying, because understandably, we're all our own worst enemy. And we're like, oh, my God, I'm going to be so awkward. And like, how do I, like, flirt? And how do I be cool and whatever? But then, when you start to find your groove, you, it's like, fun. And you actually enjoy yourself. And then you start to be like, wow, I have these options. And I can, you know, do whatever I want to do. And so as much as it's exciting with him, I love that you were like, I just realized there's a nice guy out there that has like, green flags. What a concept. And I have a feeling that when you get to the mansion, you're going to

• 19:26Alex Cooper?

  Find a lot of those and you're going to be like, wait a second. This is what it's supposed to feel like. I should be courted. I should be treated well. I should have all these great experiences and I'm excited for you to experience that. So yes, we, we like him, but I think it's going to be exciting to also see how many other guys you end up liking.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Yes. And I also, yeah. And another guy, you know, I was like asking for advice from him and he was just like, you don't have to be so quick to close. Like it's like, there's like this timeline, like, cause he was going to take me out on a date with, and I met Dakota and then he was going to take me on a date now. And then he saw it. He thought like, are you dating people? Like, he's like, there, what's the, why is it so fast on the closing? You know? And I'm like, that's a good question. He's like, ask yourself that and one, make them work for it. Like make them work for it. Like show them. And if you are, if they like, like you and you're dating other people, then they're going to step up their game. Really?

• 20:18Alex Cooper?

  You just mentioned Dakota. Let's, let's talk about your ex Dakota. You're like, did I say that?

• 20:24Speaker 03

  It was eventually going to come up. Let's be honest.

• 20:26Alex Cooper?

  Um, a huge storyline of secret lives was your relationship with your ex Dakota this past season. I'm assuming going on The Bachelorette means that you two are done for good.

• 20:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yes.

• 20:39Alex Cooper?

  It's over.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  It's over and we'll see that play out.

• 20:42Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:43Alex Cooper?

  Who made the final call to end it?

• 20:45Speaker 03

  I didn't.

• 20:47Alex Cooper?

  So you officially think it's over with him?

• 20:49Speaker 03

  I don't think, I know.

• 20:52Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:52Alex Cooper?

  Um, when was the last time that you guys hooked up?

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Um, let me think on that one, actually.

• 21:03Alex Cooper?

  You're like, Alex.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  It's like sweating in here. Like.

• 21:06Alex Cooper?

  Is this caller daddy? Where am I? What's happening?

• 21:09Speaker 03

  I can't remember at the top of my head, to be honest.

• 21:12Alex Cooper?

  Stagecoach?

• 21:13Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, that might've been maybe one after, maybe one after.

• 21:17Alex Cooper?

  Maybe one or two.

• 21:19Alex Cooper?

  Okay, maybe a couple after.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay. Again, it's just, it's just, it was, it's been very confusing if I'm being honest and I did want to end up with him. That was no secret to anybody. It still isn't, it wasn't a secret and I'll always admit that to whoever asked me, did I love him? Absolutely. I had a baby with him. I wanted to be with him, but it just did not work out. There were certain things that were forever closing for me. Um, and again, that'll, everyone will see that and I, you know, I can't speak on that yet, but it, it closed the book for me, but it was really hard to let go. That was a hard pill to swallow that I can't be with you now and like there was no pain like it. I will say I, that was one of the, the hardest, this last summer was one of the hardest summers I ever had because I was like, oh my gosh, Taylor,

• 22:04Speaker 03

  you have to accept that you're not ending up with him and to walk away from someone you initially wanted is a pain that I can't describe to anybody unless you probably, if someone's done it. Um, it, yeah, so it, it, it was hard to let go fully and it's like when, oh, but did you hook up and this and that? And it's like, yes, I loved, I loved him. Like I, I wanted to be, I can't, I won't be with him, but that was a hard one to, I, I, I had to let go and it was hard.

• 22:31Alex Cooper?

  Dude, I think it's so hard and I think a lot of us have been in those type of relationships where it ends so poorly, but then there's still a part of you when you were the one that was like hurt and done wrong where you're like, I want to still like have a couple last moments with you because like, fuck, I wish this didn't end the way that it did.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:49Alex Cooper?

  You know what I mean?

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, like it's hard to let go. Like it is like I, oh, I want, I wanted this like, and it's not that easy but okay, F you, eh, yes, you do say that, but like it still was not easy and I did have those back, you know, those setbacks and I, I won't lie about them. Like I, I had them.

• 23:07Alex Cooper?

  And I love that you're being honest though, because girls watching and listening, like we've all been there where you're like, okay, how am I going to tell my friends that we were just together last night? And you're like, sitting there in the morning being like, okay, I'm just going to tell them, I'm just going to tell them and, and we've all been there. So you almost can't judge yourself because that just means like you still need a little bit more closure and that's okay. And a lot of times I actually really believe. It takes finding someone new.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 23:32Alex Cooper?

  Because when you're just still in that rhythm, it's so hard to be like, okay, so now I'm just gonna go sit in my room and stare at the ceiling.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Literally.

• 23:39Alex Cooper?

  If you don't have a guy taking you on a date that you actually like.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I now understand that because my friends were like, you just need to like get under someone else. And I'm like, ah, maybe not. Like I was like, I don't want to go that route this time. Like, I don't want to do that. And I didn't, to an extent of I don't, that wasn't my intention. But to have maybe a new crush that, you know, distracts you or you, there are other guys out in the world. You have to remember that because you, you, you hone in, you're like, no one else, no one else, but there is.

• 24:07Alex Cooper?

  And you did that and you were like, wait, green flags, I'm having a great time.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm like, oh my gosh. Yes.

• 24:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, have you told Dakota that you're going to be the bachelorette?

• 24:16Speaker 03

  I have not confirmed it with him. So I don't know if he knows or if he knew I had the opportunity. I haven't taken it. He doesn't know as of, so he might know, when, when does this come out?

• 24:26Alex Cooper?

  Wednesday.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, so he'll, he'll know Wednesday.

• 24:29Alex Cooper?

  How do you think he'll react?

• 24:32Speaker 03

  I, I think probably sad. If he, I guess, if anything he says is real, I would say sad. Um, he, he does know that I was dating and, and, you know, meeting people so that, we've already had that, um, that first her, I guess, I think that's the hardest part is you see their first dating or hookup or whatever it is. That's gonna always like take a toll no matter what. And I can even say that with my ex husband, right? It was always the first or just like, whoa, you know?

• 24:58Alex Cooper?

  But this is like official, like you're moving on.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:01Alex Cooper?

  Do you think he'll watch?

• 25:02Speaker 03

  Yes. I think he's always watching as of now. And maybe, and maybe it takes him to like someone new and focus on her. And then maybe it'll be different. I, I can't say, but.

• 25:12Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. Well, now that you will be announced, they can finally start casting the men for your season. I want to walk through what your dream man is today. Okay?

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 25:24Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna start with age. What is an ideal age range for you?

• 25:30Speaker 03

  I preferably, I think, see, I would thirties, early forties, youngest is the late twenties, but I think preferably thirties.

• 25:39Alex Cooper?

  How much younger would you go, you think?

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Twenty, twenty seven, twenty eight, the, the low.

• 25:44Alex Cooper?

  Lowest, lowest. And what is the highest you would go?

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Um, probably forty two, forty three. So that's about a ten year difference.

• 25:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Does he have to be willing to move to Utah?

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Yes. Yep. I mean, that, I'm sorry if that is a make or break for them, but yeah, I am in Utah and I have two baby daddies. I'm going nowhere. So you will be moving to me in Utah. So if you like me enough, you will be moving.

• 26:09Alex Cooper?

  You will be moving.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Hey, Utah's pretty cool.

• 26:11Alex Cooper?

  It is, it is. Um, what is an ideal career for him?

• 26:16Speaker 03

  Like what I, like what?

• 26:17Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like what do you want him to do?

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Oh, see, that doesn't.

• 26:19Alex Cooper?

  Doesn't matter.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Doesn't matter. Obviously, I want him to be like hardworking, motivated. Like, I prefer that. I don't, you know, want just someone that's not, right? Cause you're also like, I have three kids and I don't want to be the, I don't want to be mom and dad. Like, that's what I am now. And it's really hard. And yes, they have their doubts, but I'm, I'm speaking in my own home, right? Like, I'm doing a lot of things besides my support of my family, but at nights, it's me, I have to wait to, they go to bed to have a shower. Like, things you typically can do, I can't do until I have a helping hand. So, um, yeah, I just want them to be like willing.

• 26:53Alex Cooper?

  Would you be down for like an influencer, social media creator type person?

• 26:59Speaker 03

  I would. I'd be open to it. Preferably not, but I would be open to it.

• 27:03Alex Cooper?

  Would you be okay if you remain the breadwinner?

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Yes. Yes.

• 27:09Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, what does his ideal date night look like? Like, what are you hoping he's doing on a date night for you?

• 27:15Speaker 03

  See, that changes, that switches up, because I do love, obviously, if you were to surprise me with a cute, like, let's say, a, a out fun activity date. That's awesome. But to be honest, like, I also love a really chill date. So if we were just to go grab freaking fast food somewhere, put on our Crocs and sweats and go and get to know each other and just talk for hours and hours, I love that because you're getting to know them. I don't really want to jump into, I've done the whole jumping into like either if you're just like cooking up and I always regret that because it's like, we, I just gave you a really special thing, you know, and that I like to lead up to that. I want to do that. And then also. I love communicating and talking, not just like you can go distract yourself with the games, arcades, jet skiing, whatever it is. Sure, those are fun and I want to do those, but I also I want

• 28:00Speaker 03

  to get to know you.

• 28:01Alex Cooper?

  I'm excited, though, you saying that because I think that will play really well into The Bachelorette because although the format is so beautiful and romantic and you're doing these incredible extravagant trips, when it comes down to it, the way that you actually find your people by the end is by having very intimate conversations. Although you'll be like on a fucking Ferris wheel or some shit in the middle of France, you're gonna be like, okay, wait, no, but tell me about your life.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  Literally, and I'll be asking details that they don't like to. I make them very uncomfortable, I've learned, and I ask in indigity. I'm like, so, um, your last girlfriend, like, um, why did that end? And what, like, what's last position? Like, what? Like, I literally like to, it's weird, like, it's not even, you can go, I just like to know, and I'm teasing to that extent, right?

• 28:43Alex Cooper?

  No. Girl, are you kidding me? Literally, when I met my husband, I was like, let's talk about every single girl you've ever dated in your life. He was like, you're insane. I was like, I know. No, but actually tell me.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, seriously. I like to know, like, the background of you, and not even just girls, but your family. Like, even church will be a fun one to, like, learn about new churches, because I'm open to any religion, like.

• 29:04Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait. So confirming, does he need to be Mormon?

• 29:08Speaker 03

  No.

• 29:09Alex Cooper?

  Have you told your family that?

• 29:10Speaker 03

  Yes, I preferably not.

• 29:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  I mean, I'd be open to Mormons. I'm still, I'm obviously, because I'm, I'm Mormon, but like, I, he doesn't have to be.

• 29:18Alex Cooper?

  Okay, it's night one. He's walking out of the limo. What do you want him to be wearing, ideally?

• 29:24Speaker 03

  Don't they all kind of have to wear tux?

• 29:26Alex Cooper?

  Well, uh, I feel like as the night progressively goes on, some of them are showing up in, like, swim trunks. It gets a little crazy. You want him in a tux.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Oh, that, or I would actually be fine with, like, jeans and a shirt.

• 29:41Alex Cooper?

  You're like, wear your sweatpants and your Crocs.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  I'd be like, eh, eh, eh, if they know me, if they've done studies on me, they know that they are like, I can show up in Crocs and she'll be fine.

• 29:51Alex Cooper?

  Watch every man shows up in fucking Crocs. Um, what is something at an entrance moment with a guy that would be an immediate no?

• 30:01Speaker 03

  Ooh, that's a good one. I have not thought that far. An immediate no. Okay, honestly, this is a big ego and you can tell that off energy. And so if someone's like, and I know they're trying to impress, there's a difference, I think, between impressing and you can just tell their ego. So if I feel like it's a really strong one, to me, it's gonna be like, mm, like, I think it's unattractive.

• 30:22Alex Cooper?

  I completely agree. Okay, as I said, the entrances progressively get more and more and more insane and like shit gets really weird. How would you feel if a guy rolls up and performs a striptease?

• 30:35Speaker 03

  I would actually probably low key love it. It'd be entertaining. Like, it would probably, you know, switch up the night.

• 30:41Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  Cause you know, you're probably doing some of the same, like getting to know you and then someone just comes and strips. I'm like, hell yeah, let's switch it up. Let's go. He'd probably get it. He'd probably get a, I, I, is it?

• 30:49Alex Cooper?

  A rose.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Everyone gets a rose.

• 30:50Alex Cooper?

  He's getting a rose.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's not going home night one.

• 30:52Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God. Okay.

• 30:53Speaker 03

  That doesn't mean, that doesn't mean everyone comes stripping. Okay. I can only handle one of that.

• 30:58Alex Cooper?

  One boy.

• 30:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:00Alex Cooper?

  Okay, he comes in jeans, no shirt, on a horse and then lassoes you in.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Definitely. He's not going home night one either.

• 31:07Alex Cooper?

  Dude, we're giving everyone the playbook. They're all gonna roll up. I'm upset.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  I'm in open mind too.

• 31:12Alex Cooper?

  I love it. And you're also down to have fun, which I think is good.

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay, last one. He pushes a stroller up the driveway, looks you in the eyes and says he's ready to be a step daddy.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  He might get that impression rose. The stroller wins.

• 31:29Alex Cooper?

  He gets the first impression rose.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Okay, maybe not that far, but he's not going home night one either.

• 31:33Alex Cooper?

  So he's getting the rose.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:34Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, people, like you had mentioned, you know, you don't need the guy to be Mormon, which I think a lot of people were probably wondering, right? Because you're on a show called Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and you are Mormon.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:46Alex Cooper?

  But I think you have been criticized for not being Mormon enough because of the way that you live your life publicly. What is your take on that?

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Um, so for me, I always say, I actually just had posted a TikTok and there was a comment saying like, hey, like, you don't have to be in this cult religion to be, to find happiness because I'm in the video, I'm, I'm reading the Bible and it's the Bible, not the Book of Mormon is what I'm not reading in the video. So just make that clear. Um, so to me, just to have those foundations and I, I do preferably want someone that, you know, does believe in God, right? Because when you're raising your children and it can get confusing when one doesn't and one doesn't. I do think about those things and that's where I also like, I'll try to get to know them and where they stand on that. But I'm also, I am up for hearing their side of it because I have been also told,

• 32:34Speaker 03

  look, you believe so firmly in something and I can respect that, but there is also, I don't believe in it and maybe you can respect that because we both don't have proof on it. And it's, that's where faith comes in, right? There is, I can't show you that it's real, but I can only believe. And that's faith. And then also there's a point that he can't prove that it isn't, right? And so that I was like, that's a good take on it. Like you're right. I can't prove anything, but I think the foundations of like even Christianity is kind of all like just the phone, like love, family, service, all the basics is what I really care about and how you treat other people. I don't really care what religion you are. How do you treat other people? That is what I look at.

• 33:10Alex Cooper?

  As you're saying that I'm curious, like, how has your family handled, obviously with the success of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the spotlight on you guys not being Mormon enough?

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Really? I think for the most part, well, obviously I am, I have the, the thick skin that I do because of them, because I, or I wouldn't, I don't think be here today with all of the criticism I've gotten, you know, so they've made us very tough and uh, in a way of, yes, my mom was growing up very blunt and honest. And I think that's a good thing because I was able to take what I take on now today. Because I was always told the truth, even if it was the hard truth, right? And um, they were pretty lax. I think they're very like, we, you know, We just understand like people make mistakes and yeah, people do all these things that Mormons say, "Oh, that's not how we live." That's not right. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Some of us do. It's just behind closed doors, you're not willing to show it. And that's why it broke

• 34:04Speaker 03

  the freaking internet because a lot of us do do those things, but it wasn't, it was very image-based. Like, this is how we live. We do know, oh, yes, everyone does. Any religion. We all make mistakes. We're all freaking human. We're no better than anybody else. But it pissed them off. It pissed people off because it's like, but that's not what we believe in. Okay. It doesn't matter. If I drink, that doesn't make me a bad person. If I smoke, if I take a sip of coffee, all the freaking rules, it doesn't make me less of a person than you. And that was the point of it. And I still stand by that.

• 34:47Alex Cooper?

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• 36:12Alex Cooper?

  A huge part of The Bachelorette is exploring your physical connection with the men on the season. How did growing up in the church impact your relationship to how you felt about sex?

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Very obviously taboo. So if I'm doing it, I'm not talking about it. I'm not telling my parents. I'm not telling anybody. I was very, I don't want to say secretive, but I was very like, oh, like I felt shame, guilt. So it's going to be a secret. And that I think is where everything, the irony in that is where I'm like, when it, my shit came out, I was like, but why hide it? Because I'm already doing it. Like, so, oh, well, just freaking own it at this point. Like, so, yeah, it's something, obviously, we're taught, don't have sex until you're married. And I have, you know, I go back and forth with this too, with people's opinions, because I see what they're saying. Obviously, it does prevent a lot of things of like pregnancies, or STDs,

• 37:10Speaker 03

  or just things that like you, it does affect you if you're having sex, right? Like, but at the same time, I hate that I felt like if I did do it, you know, I wasn't married, that I'm this awful person and to sit in that shame. And I've also done that, like, for an experience, I have done that, where I've cried after a lot. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I did something so bad. And like, the guy was like, really nice. And he was just like, but you, you didn't, you're not a bad person. And he was trying to convince me. And I'm like, but I am. And like, it's just almost like you're, you grow up with this, um, this guilt of it. And I don't know if that's already just engraved in how we were raised. But, and that's no one to blame. I think we were, like, obviously, my parents, their parents taught them that, and so on and so forth. And within our church, I think a lot of LDS members could relate to that. It was like, very taboo. And when that would come up,

• 37:54Speaker 03

  a lot of people are still uncomfortable. Like, it's sacred. And I do, I do understand that too. It's personal. And some people, maybe it should be personal, too. Like, I think moving forward, for me, I don't probably want to be talking about my sex life, to be honest. I've been there, I've done that, I've broadcast it to the world, and in so many different ways. But I think moving forward for me and my piece, I think, that's something I do want to be personal with my next person, and maybe not talk so much on it. And maybe that's just something I've grown into, you know?

• 38:20Alex Cooper?

  So, going on The Bachelorette, obviously, the fantasy suites are this, like,

• 38:28Alex Cooper?

  Huge conversation around each season. Um, because you know, we see you guys on Go On Dates. We see everyone form these connections. But then when you're down to three people, the fantasy suites come into play. Have you thought about how you are going to approach them?

• 38:44Speaker 03

  I have, I have, and I have it set down.

• 38:45Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  But I going prior to that. So I don't know if you watched the Kelsey season this, they're, they're Kelsey and Joey.

• 38:53Alex Cooper?

  Oh, okay. Yeah, I watched some of it.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Okay, so in the fantasy suites, I it never, they never talked about it. And I wanted to know because yeah, obviously he ended up picking Kelsey, but I'm like, but did he sleep with all of them? Do you sleep with one, two of them? Because he really, you could tell he loves Kelsey. But for me, obviously, if someone had said they loved me and they slept with all of us, I would, it would be a deal breaker for me. Like, it would be. So I was so curious. I'm like, wait, I need to know, did he, did they not? And they never spoke on it, which is maybe out of respect, that's something he didn't want to share. And so I also respect that. I'm like, okay, maybe he just didn't want his sex life being broadcasted and his, him and his future potential wife, you know? So I kind of respect that, too. I there, it was never said. So for me, I do know how I'm gonna go into that, but I don't want to give that away yet, right?

• 39:38Alex Cooper?

  No, that's fine. That's fine. Um, let's say that ended up happening. You had two connections, you or three, and it ended up getting physical. And then the men judged you for that. How would you handle that moment?

• 39:52Speaker 03

  Obviously, I'd feel lots of guilt. I'd feel shitty. And yeah, how can you be telling these? Like, if there's one specifically, let's just say hypothetically, I I'm telling one that I really, that I want him in my head. Or you, I'm telling him maybe on there. And then I do that to me, it's like, well, you didn't like me that much because you wouldn't have risked me. And so I've been on the other end of that, right? So for me, I would be like, yeah, you, I wasn't enough because you knew the risk of like, if you did do this, I potentially you could lose me.

• 40:18Alex Cooper?

  It's so hard, though, because as I'm, I I agree with you. Because if I was in the position, I'd be like, wait, if I'm the front runner, how are you literally sleeping?

• 40:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:27Alex Cooper?

  With this person, but what about me? I think where it becomes complicated.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Is that's what you signed up for?

• 40:33Alex Cooper?

  A little bit. And I guess my question to you would be. I and everyone's different, but I think a physical connection is so important in a relationship.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  True.

• 40:41Alex Cooper?

  And I think, which is going to be interesting to see with your season is we can sit here all day and strategize. And you can be like, Alex, I am going in and I have a plan that if I I know my front runner, maybe I will hook up with them, but no one else. And then how many seasons have we seen where they're literally standing with the producers in the back room? Be like, I'm going to lose my mind. I love them both. Like, I'm literally in love with two people. What do I do? And if you're in that situation, Taylor, is it fucked up to be like? Yeah, I do. You have to find out then what the physical connection is because what if you are not as physically attracted or compatible with someone?

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 41:20Alex Cooper?

  And I'm not saying this is gonna happen, but you know what I mean?

• 41:22Speaker 03

  I feel that. And it's funny because my mom's back right here watching because I've told her that. And I'm like, Mom, you have to test the car before like, like, how do you not know? And like, that's a huge thing in marriages. And if you don't connect, that could be a huge, like, issue down the road when you're married. Like, and I do think that. And so that's where it gets confusing for me because I'm like, I understand the waiting game. But in that situation, per se, three, you know, two, three people, for me, I I would feel disrespectful doing it to two people. And that's, that's not to say like, if there's another, you know, person doing that, to each their own.

• 41:57Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. I also think in previous seasons, the biggest note to anyone who has done that, it almost hasn't even been about them doing it and that that's why people are mad. It's the lack of communication that comes with that where it's like, be straightforward. Be like, I am, I know this is the hardest thing to say, I'm very torn right now. And so like, I need to explore both 100% in order to know at the end. And like, but people never fucking do that. But I get it because it's so hard because you're in the moment. And then words get jumbled and you're like, okay, so you're gonna try to be straight up.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Yes, I think like you just said, be honest, because I think I can go back from my own experiences of like, the issue is what you didn't tell me, like, I was blinded by it. That's where it hurts. It's like the betrayal of it. So I think if you're straight up, but I also do think in my mind, if I'm, I'm trying to think of the flip side. Let's say I'm one of the runner up girls. This is the bachelor. He likes me. He's telling me this and then he sleeps with all of us. To me, I'm like, but I wasn't that, I wasn't your special one then. I'm not that special because you just risked me and you just lost me. So I do see that and maybe that's the wrong mindset, like going into this. I don't know, but for me, like, I think if you really, you're wanting one and let's just say, yeah, you are in love with both, but I think there is one you like more than the other.

• 43:16Alex Cooper?

  I agree with you. One has to be a front runner in your heart and in your soul, but I think it takes a lot to get to the point of how you know that person is the right one.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  True.

• 43:24Alex Cooper?

  Because sometimes you don't see people for a long time or you have more dates with one like,

• 43:28Speaker 03

  True.

• 43:28Alex Cooper?

  Girl, I'm stressed for you.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Okay. Yeah. Honestly, I don't know.

• 43:32Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I actually take back everything I said.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Just said, ow, no, the thing is because I've never experienced it. So when you're saying, yeah, you could say this all day, but you've never done it. So how do you know? And you're right.

• 43:42Alex Cooper?

  What would your reaction be if one of the guys that was a front runner said that he wanted to wait till marriage for sex?

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Uh, that's a hard one. I would respect it. It's like, oh, you're being respectful, but you're like, my family would love you, but, but, uh, that, gosh damn, that's a hard one. Cause like you said, see, I think there's a difference between, but like, I, I would be like, okay, if I, we were like the only ones and we were dating and we, you know, we had time, but like to be married, I would probably say, I, I want to date. I also, if there's an engagement, whatever it is, the process, I still am like taking my time with that too. So I'm not getting married like tomorrow. So are you, how long are you willing to wait? And so that could be an issue down the road.

• 44:38Alex Cooper?

  You, like we said, have been married and you've talked about in the past that you kind of felt pressured at that point in your life to get married. The bachelorette obviously ends in engagement. How are you feeling about that? Like realistically, a man getting down on one knee after this, putting a ring on your finger? Tell me how you feel.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  I mean, I feel like I am.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  Not one that's gonna do it unless I feel that it's I'm ready for it, but let's just say I do find the man of my dreams and he's there and I fall in love. If we get engaged, I still, again, I do wanna take the time to be engaged and like still get to know him because obviously it's no secret that this is a short-lived process. Um, so I do wanna take that time. Again, it's gonna be my third serious relationship. I have children. It's gonna, it is a lot more serious rather than some like, I'm not a young girl just dating and like can it's not gonna be like that for me. It just isn't and that's okay. But um, I would still wanna get to know that person and I'm, the engagement, yeah, I, I, obviously I can see it.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Because to, to me, if something were to come up that is alarming, I'm, you can break it off, you know, but it's not a full-on marriage where you're going through divorce and whatnot. And then also there's that time to grow and get to know him and then even have you, it's even more beautiful because it's a story. And then you get married, you know, so it can go both ways, but I'm a very honest person. I'm gonna say it as it is, like, and I'm only going to do it if it's the right person.

• 46:06Alex Cooper?

  What is something in the past that you thought you wanted in a partner romantically and now you're like, I don't want that in a person anymore?

• 46:18Speaker 03

  Okay, I've learned that I cannot do the life of the party. Guy, I can't do it. I can't do the class clown and I was, I'm attracted to that. Yes, I am. I'm like, oh, yeah. Cause they're your vibe. They're like high energy. Like I, I'm that way sometimes, but um, a passive is what I've learned that I, I think is best for me, like someone that is like personality fun, but like do your thing. Do your thing. I, I, I'm one that cannot be controlled. It actually makes me worse or told what to do. That is something that I, I don't, I'm all for like advice or like compromise that I can do, but when they're like

• 47:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, for me, I've learned, I went from one extreme to the other of like, yes, very passive, kind of do your own thing to one of very, let's do everything together. And so when I found that, I was like, oh, my gosh, I love this. He wants to do everything with me. And then it's like, okay, like, it becomes a lot. And then I think I need someone in that middle, that middle.

• 47:19Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, it's almost like you can kind of use your past experiences to make sure you're shaping yourself around the right human being. Because again, when you've only had like one to two experiences, it is tough to be like, wait, what else is out there?

• 47:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:33Alex Cooper?

  And you're gonna have 20 plus men and you're gonna be, you're gonna be overwhelmed with the amount of different personalities. But the life of the party is so fucking real. It's so attractive in the moment.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  It is.

• 47:44Alex Cooper?

  And then after like the fifth party, you're like, okay, wait, I'm like over here. Like, hello, can you stop doing that?

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:50Alex Cooper?

  Um, I want to talk about your ex Dakota in terms of throughout that relationship, you were very vocal that you kind of always felt like something was off.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 48:00Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think you kept trying to convince yourself that you should stay?

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Uh, because I thought in my mind that it was me. It, uh, trauma, like I, it was too much back to back. So I got divorced. I had it go public. I had a miscarriage. I had another miscarriage. So for me, it was a lot of like, my own decisions and then some were not my own. Like obviously losing, you know, having two miscarriages back to back is, was not my decision, right? Like, and then so that is postpartum, you're, I'm in postpartum. And so I, I felt like, you're right. I just have a lot going on. There's a lot of trauma here. Um, I need to work through this. I need, it was always like, I, I believed that I'm feeling off because I'm scared. I, there's just so much back to back that I'm not in my right mind is what I felt like. And so for me, I was almost convinced

• 48:51Speaker 03

  like, everything's okay. You're just scared because you've been through so much pain. And so I, I believed that. And so I'm like, you're right. Over time, I can heal this. We can do it and it's great. And Boy, was that a learning lesson like and it's just like. I will never question that intuition ever again because I'm glad I went through that. I realized how. It's a gift. I was how spot on I am in. Not just that situation or that relationship, but in other circumstances, it has been. Spot on almost to the actual thing and. It's actually I'm surprised with myself. I'm like, oh, my gosh, like, how did I know like so many things? And so for me, that voice is so. There and loud now and moving forward to someone else, I will know instantly like.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  The fact that if I even have to question that, I know it's there, but that in itself, I'm I get pissed because I'm like. Taylor, you knew, you knew and you knew and you literally did not listen to yourself. You trusted someone else over your own. Gosh damn self like you literally like I I get I get resentful with myself, but I'm like, okay. I can't change it. We can't change the past, so. I'm gonna have to accept that that happened. I'm gonna have to accept that I ignored it and to never do that again. So in my future relationship, there's an inkling of like. Question, wondering, I will never feel that anxiety ever again in my bed like with someone like if I feel it, I'm out like. That is, it was what I felt. It's like. When you're with someone. That's I guess it's a good situation. There's this peace that it comes with.

• 50:20Alex Cooper?

  When you go into the bachelorette, you're not gonna have your phone to like fact check what these men are saying and you can't sleuth and you can't look and you can't stalk and you can't do all the things that we girlies do. How do you think you're going to build trust with men? In this season?

• 50:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:36Alex Cooper?

  Is it just based off of their word?

• 50:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is. I think it's yeah, one feeling. Two, you can kind of feel it, which is cool for us girls because we're like, ah, you're bullshitting me, but let's go or. You you it's just a peaceful feeling and also I think everything comes to the surface. So for me, I'm not worried like if. They're lying about something and it happens to come out later, dude, like. How did you think it wasn't if if? Please, please, please, please, if you haven't watched my the freaking also our show because like everything comes to the surface. And not just in my life, but I've seen it in all like, you know, friends and family's life. Like if you're lying, it's going to come out.

• 51:10Alex Cooper?

  How do you feel about all these men having the opportunity to watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Like, do you? Does it freak you out a little bit? Do you want them to watch? Do you not want them to watch?

• 51:22Speaker 03

  I go back and forth because obviously my first season I was so friggin pregnant and for me it was like it's hard to watch yourself be pregnant with seventy pounds on. I'm emotional. My life is a mess. Like it's really hard to watch. It's PTSD. Like for me, I'm just like. So it could scare them a little bit of like. I'll give you an example of just the guy that came out of state to visit me, right? He did not want to watch the whole series because I he's like, I wanted to know you for you and not the show. And honestly, if he had watched it, he might have been a little nervous to come, right? And he he but he still had seen, you know, clips and whatnot, but he said, you're just so different than I would have thought in a better way, I would hope. But he's like.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  You're more calm and chill and you're there's like, I've been told like there's a peaceful presence, which I'll never understand that one because my mind is loud, right? So when people say that, I'm like, really? Like, it's so loud in here. What piece are you?

• 52:15Alex Cooper?

  Like, where did you get that from, babe?

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it is. And he was like. It's been like I just didn't expect it. And so I think that's kind of exciting too. And if they do see it, they maybe they get a whole nother a side of me too that they don't know. So.

• 52:29Alex Cooper?

  That's a good point. It's like whatever version they're gonna show up, whether they watch it or not. And there has been a lot of moments that we've seen. I know that we saw one of your lowest moments play out on the show, the night of your arrest. When you do look back at that version of yourself, like, what do you feel?

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Uh, that'll never be in a topic that's like not, that doesn't like, obviously, I feel like a, like a lump in my throat because it's just such a

• 52:59Speaker 03

  uh, a hard time in my life. And so all I resort, I never really even think about me in that situation. Obviously, it's like my kids because they were involved, right? Of like, um, they were in the house and I never, the charges were, um, all dropped. I never had hurt my daughter. I never intentionally did anything with my children. I never have ever. And so that was like the hardest time just because like, I am such a passive mom and like really good to my kids. So to be known as something like that was like, that is like the worst time. But in that moment that we see on screen, I see a lot of pain. Um, and I didn't have any tools at that time. So I was like, very lost. And I remember you can hear it on the tape. And I'm like, they're like, what's wrong? What's wrong? I'm like, I'm in so much pain and sad. And I'm literally like, it's on the tape. Like, I'm crying.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  He's like, he's like, acting like I'm like, hurry. He's like, what's wrong? So I'm like, there's so much pain. There's so much pain. I know I can't.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  Um, I guess I never even look at it for me, like the time. And that's why I, I've held guilt. It's just like, because I could have been like, my therapist is like, you were trying your best with what you knew you had. I, I never been through anything like that. So I didn't have the tools. And they were like, but you have to give yourself grace because you didn't know and you didn't have it. And I was like, but that you could have, they're like, so you did the best that you can. And they're telling me this in therapy, but I'm like, no, I wasn't though. I like, I wasn't for my kids. Like, I think I was being very selfish and I've accepted that I was selfish at that time. But I've learned from it and I've been trying to, you know, make up for it. And obviously amounts of a therapy, like immense amounts of therapy and tools and learning and

• 54:32Speaker 03

  made up time with my kids and having to, you know, deny a lot of opportunities and, and, and it's because I want to be with my kids. Like I did have a lot of time of grieving and loss that I don't want any more wasted time for my kids. They're only small for so long. So. That is a hard topic and just due to the um. You know what? We all know about it, but uh that was yeah, one of my lowest nights on freaking TV and it's embarrassing and but with that has come a lot of learning lessons and I've become a better mom because of it because. In my next relationship and even just the one like the little dating that I've done, it's just like. I'm sorry, but I I I don't want to go on a date. I want to sit here and I want to ride bikes with my kids tonight and that's what I'm choosing because that is.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  To me, what feels like I should be doing on my days. That's what I should have been doing. It was a lesson learned.

• 55:22Alex Cooper?

  I mean, I see it, the amount of pain that still lives in you, but I also think we just keep seeing your growth, even if it's not glamorous like.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And having to talk about it. Yeah, it's not easy and there's no, there's no um. There's no right answer on that other than. I've tried to learn from it.

• 55:42Alex Cooper?

  There was obviously also um. The whole controversy over the swinging parties um that you and your ex-husband would go to. Became the biggest conversation at the time online. Do you have any worries about how the men this season might. Perceive that situation?

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, um.

• 56:03Speaker 03

  See, that one's also another hard one because yeah, they can have their preconceived assumptions and their families and their parents will probably also like it's not like um. I don't know, like, right? If their parents are to read it, they'd be like, oh, well, be careful, be safe, like, that's, you know? But again, if they know if they've followed anything or the journey, they go look at my Instagram, whatever. There has been such progress too, that it's just like not. Who I am anymore. It was three years ago. It was a very short-lived um.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  Uh, let's see, learning lesson. That's another one I've learned, right? Don't for me, don't open your marriage because it didn't end well and I'm whatever. If you have an open marriage, great. If you have your system down, great. I don't judge on that either because obviously I tried it, but. It didn't work out, you know, and I don't think it would ever be healthy for me. And I think when you're really in love with someone, you're probably not wanting to share them. So obviously there were lots of issues in the marriages and I would never do that again um. And also even put my foot in a position, right? I think things start very innocently and not meant to be like that, or you didn't think it would get to this or. Any of that. So for me. Another thing is just even friendship boundaries of like with men, right? I have very like fine lines of things that I would not ever, you know,

• 57:16Speaker 03

  say or a long conversation anymore. Like there are just a lot of things that I would never even put myself in the position to be even alluded to that or anything like it. So another learning lesson.

• 57:43Alex Cooper?

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• 58:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's play a game.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 58:58Alex Cooper?

  I am going to describe a man to you.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 59:01Alex Cooper?

  And you are going to tell me if you would give him a rose.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 59:04Alex Cooper?

  Okay. He's a hopeless romantic, but he trauma dumps during your one-on-one.

• 59:11Speaker 03

  I would give a rose. Yeah, trauma dumping. I mean, sometimes that's how you get to know someone. And I feel like what I do is also explain my story and my story is a trauma dump. So I'm going to have to do that. So I would expect that also. So, and we have limited time. So, rose.

• 59:28Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, like, maybe in the real world, if it's the first date, you're like, whoa. But you have, this guy may be like, this is the only one on one I'm gonna get for weeks. I'm taking my shot. I gotta let her know where I'm coming from. So I agree.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:42Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay. He's extremely supportive of your career, but won't be in your TikToks.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  No rose.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  That's my life. That's my job. Like, if you don't wanna, I mean, I, ah, okay. Yeah, yeah, no rose.

• 59:58Alex Cooper?

  You're like, absolutely not. Get in here and do the renegade.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  No, like that, yeah, okay. Not maybe that extent, but like, I do a lot of family vlogging and that's like what I share. And that's my kids and I want him to be in my family. And if I have to like blur out him, I'm like, duh, I want, I wanna show him off.

• 1:00:18Alex Cooper?

  Do the women of Mom Talk need to approve of him?

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  I mean, it's, I do what I want. So, no, no, I would like their opinion. Tell me what you think. But if you say no, and I still love him, I'm, I'm going with him. Sorry.

• 1:00:34Alex Cooper?

  Perfect. Okay, he's protective of you, but gets jealous on group dates.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Rose.

• 1:00:42Alex Cooper?

  Are you the jealous type?

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  I, see, I wasn't and then I was. And now I'm, I kinda am, yes, but I don't wanna be like the crazy jealous type. You know, I'm like, ooh, like kinda jealous, but I don't, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be possessive ever.

• 1:00:56Alex Cooper?

  He got your first rose, probably from doing the striptease.

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  Gosh.

• 1:01:00Alex Cooper?

  But he has drama with the other guys.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  Rose because it could be like a an alpha thing where men are like, you know, they don't like him already because it's kind of like the the Maria of the group, right? Like a lot of girls just didn't like her because she was like thriving and living her best life. And she's like, why do you guys not like me? And I'm like, yeah, why don't you guys not like her? Like, she's awesome.

• 1:01:21Alex Cooper?

  It's a great point.

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, he has an amazing personality, but physically he isn't your type.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  Rose.

• 1:01:29Alex Cooper?

  Do you think that physical connection can build over time?

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Yeah, I but I have fallen for people that like, not fallen, but like liked people that aren't my type. And then, okay, for example, I'll just say within the swinging thing, like the one that I ended up liking was the one that everyone was like, I would have had no idea you liked him. So like in my in everyone's, it's just you can surprise yourself sometimes.

• 1:01:54Alex Cooper?

  Your children love him, but your mom hates him.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a hard one. Um. My mom doesn't hate a lot of people. So if she's hating him, that to me is her intuition is off, which would kind of nerve me out. So that would that'd be a hard one. I I if my mom's hating him, I probably would not.

• 1:02:18Alex Cooper?

  Are you planning on introducing your kids to any of the men?

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  I would like to. I thought about this and I think the last runner ups, I don't know if it's like a two or three, how I would it ends up for me. But yeah, I think that's very important. I want to see how they interact with kids. I want to see if they all kind of vibe or if they even like it or do they comfortable or is this like, oh, like maybe it scares them and like, oh, maybe I was ready. But now that I'm surrounded by three little kids, I don't know if I can do this. So I think that's a tester in itself. Um, so yeah, I think, and I will always obviously introduce them as like very like surface based, like not like this is gonna be your daddy type thing like very surface of like just trying to get to know them, but I want to see how they interact.

• 1:03:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:03:04Alex Cooper?

  And you said that you would be down for a man who has kids of his own.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:08Alex Cooper?

  Do you think that would be a plus? Like, do you think that would make someone stand out more? Or it's like not something you're like looking for, but you're so down if they have it?

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  The second one, probably not like per se looking for, but if you have them, great. It's not like a deal breaker at all.

• 1:03:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay, talk to me about hometowns. What are you most nervous for when it comes to hometowns?

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  Meeting their mom.

• 1:03:33Alex Cooper?

  You're like, hey, girl.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  Hey, I am.

• 1:03:36Alex Cooper?

  Well, she's like the bigot, secret lives fan.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  I didn't even think about that part, actually. Because what if they only like it because of the show? They don't even like me. They're like, oh, hell, yeah, just the show. I didn't even think about that.

• 1:03:46Alex Cooper?

  They're like, asking you for tea. Oh, my, the sisters.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  Like, the sisters are actually the scary one. Yeah, yes, those are scarier than the moms sometimes, I think. Honestly, they're protective.

• 1:03:55Alex Cooper?

  Do you feel like you're good with parents?

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:58Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:03:58Speaker 03

  I am. I am great with parents and they always love me until they don't. And that's just be given the circumstances. I'm sure you can assume that, obviously, there were hard issues there. But, yes, they usually like me.

• 1:04:13Alex Cooper?

  How would you handle falling in love with someone? And then at hometowns, you realize that you don't get along with his family?

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  That would be a first for me. I've never dated someone that I did not vibe with their family, never.

• 1:04:28Alex Cooper?

  Would it be a deal breaker?

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  I mean, I think for them, maybe. Well, yeah, if they don't like me, I can't, like, convince you to like me. So, but no, not if he loved me. No.

• 1:04:41Alex Cooper?

  Would you need your parents' approval in order for you to an accepted engagement?

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  I don't need their approval. I would want them, obviously, I want their advice on it. But no, if, like, if I fall in love with someone and they're, like, not obsessed with me, it's not up to them. So I hate to say it, but they're not the ones who have to end up with. It's, it's me, and my mom always says that. We're not the ones who end up with them. It's your choice. And so I like that, even if it's, they're not fans. But, obviously, looking at my past, maybe I should listen to my parents, too.

• 1:05:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay, well, last season on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, your family barbecue. We watched your parents essentially side with your ex, Dakota, a little bit. How has that impacted the way that you share your personal life with them?

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  It actually grew our family closer together. Um, I don't know if it was like a reflection that they watched. And my dad has become very, uh, just very.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Extra caring and like he'll check in on me and he like, I don't know if it just like, maybe he watched it on TV and it really stuck with him and was like, whoa, like, maybe I should, a reflection of like, I, I, he hasn't said it, I, I can almost feel it, like, he's really been great and so loving and I think I, I, I, I'll say maybe it touched him in a way of like, I did not even realize. And same thing with my mom, she's actually like, they've just changed since and, and for the better and I don't know if it was like, I saw myself and I didn't know the extent, or maybe I just wasn't listening to you and you wanted to be heard, I don't know what it was, but things have really changed and we got, we've been so close ever since, so.

• 1:06:29Alex Cooper?

  So you didn't have a conversation, but after it aired, you can feel they shifted?

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  Oh, no, no, we had a con- oh, I mean, we also be, we all cried during it, like, it was a very hard scene, it's so real, so raw, like, and I think, um, there were so many heightened emotions, obviously, yes, you see a lot of our lives, but you don't see every piece of it, so there was a lot going on right at the time and I'm postpartum, it is very heightened, you know, and so, I mean, that very night, my dad came up to me and like hugged me and said, I'm so sorry, like, I love you, and obviously that wasn't even, we, we weren't on camera, you know, so it's like, things like that, that people don't see, but my family is so supportive, like, they are like my ride or die crew and they would do anything for me and I don't know if people realize that, but they would, are they harsh? Yes. Have we had family fights?

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  Yes, that is nor- we're, I don't know if that's normal, but for us, it's normal.

• 1:07:18Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  And we bicker and fight and we've had plenty and sometimes we're all yelling at each other and we go home and we're mad and the next day we love each other, it's family.

• 1:07:25Alex Cooper?

  Totally.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:07:26Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, if you're getting engaged, have you thought about what kind of ring you want?

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  No, I'm so simple, you can Amazon it for me.

• 1:07:33Alex Cooper?

  Stop, Taylor.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  I'm not even, I maybe, okay, I'm not gonna do that, cause it sets the bar.

• 1:07:37Alex Cooper?

  Don't put that into the world, though.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  I, just cut that out.

• 1:07:40Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, cut that, cut that, cut that.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  I'm just so simple, I'm so simple, and so, I, uh. Like, I don't want anything crazy extravagant. Um, I'll probably lose it, to be honest. So like, maybe too, too cheap.

• 1:07:56Alex Cooper?

  Make sure you get insurance, whoever you are, insurance and a backup fake one that she can wear out.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Yes, okay, that. I just, I, and when it comes to materialistic things like that, I am not big on, like, I'm not picky on, I, it's not about even the ring, it's the symbol, it's the meaning.

• 1:08:13Alex Cooper?

  So you're down for whatever cut, whatever style. Okay, love that for you. Um, what are you most excited about heading into filming?

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Oh, um, excited? I don't know. It's so surreal. I think,

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  I think my, is my husband popping out of a limo here in a month, right? Like, I have to think about that. Is this like, am I gonna be, am I getting engaged to one of these men? Like, um, do I come home with a man? Isn't that crazy?

• 1:08:48Alex Cooper?

  It's about to go down. Your life is about to change.

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  Change.

• 1:08:51Alex Cooper?

  Forever.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  Forever.

• 1:08:53Alex Cooper?

  You also have season three of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives coming out this fall.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:08:57Alex Cooper?

  I know we have to be tight lipped because we have to wait, but can you tell us anything about it?

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  It is a closure to a chapter of my life. But like, start, it's like, almost like a cliffhanger, like, what happens next? Because there is some, like, a chapter closing.

• 1:09:17Alex Cooper?

  Okay, we're gonna end with some Secret Lives rapid fire.

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  Oh, gosh.

• 1:09:20Alex Cooper?

  Who was the biggest villain of season two?

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Oh, I mean, Demi, we all knew that.

• 1:09:24Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. And what is your current relationship with her?

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  We're fine. We're good now. Yeah, very, she got very humbled, which was, I said, sometimes that's great. I've, I've been there, Demi, I've been there. I've been very, uh, on the other side, so I know what you're feeling. I know what that's like. I know what it's like also to see yourself and be like, well, take a step back. What could I have done differently? I still do that. I do that to this very day, all the time. And she was very humbled, uh, you know, she apologized. And so it's like, you can only, when someone's trying to be better, okay, that's all you can do.

• 1:09:55Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think she actually didn't go to the reunion?

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  Probably because there was a lot of heat. I mean, I mean, Disneyland's great, but like, there was probably a lot of heat and she wasn't ready for it.

• 1:10:08Alex Cooper?

  Who in the cast are you currently the closest to?

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  Probably Macy, Michaela, Jessie. Like, we kind of do more things together.

• 1:10:17Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Do you think you know the truth of what happened at Vanderpump Villa?

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  I don't think I know, and I don't think anyone, who's to say, will ever know.

• 1:10:25Alex Cooper?

  Are Jessie and Jordan still together?

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  As far as I know.

• 1:10:30Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Um, what are three words you would use to describe the current state of mom talk?

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  Um, cordial. Maybe a little confused. Uh, and hyped. There's a lot coming.

• 1:10:48Alex Cooper?

  Has anyone left mom talk since the reunion?

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:10:54Alex Cooper?

  Okay, last question. What do you want viewers to know about you tuning into this season of The Bachelorette? There may be some people that are gonna become new fans. There may be some already existing fans that are gonna see you in a different light. What do you want them to take from all of this?

• 1:11:13Speaker 03

  Um, well, more so if they're like, you know, and it's, I know they're they're maybe anywhere found base. So if you don't know me, maybe just like I, a fair shot. Uh, maybe what you've heard about me, you've seen, um, maybe, yeah, just a fair shot as anyone else. And I am learning as anyone else and I've more self-aware. I've made a lot of mistakes. I've learned, uh,

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  honestly, I'm so grateful for this opportunity. I as well don't know how I am here, but I'm thankful. And I can only just say thank you to everyone who's ever supported me and been here from the beginning, even through all the ugly and stuck by me and saw this through and not just judge me and was like, she sucks. And, and maybe there are, and that came back through of like, learning lessons. Cause all you can do when someone is messing up, learn from it and, and do better. You don't have to stay in that hole of becoming worse and worse. You can come out.

• 1:12:11Alex Cooper?

  I am so fucking excited to watch the season of The Bachelorette. I am so happy. Sorry if anyone was looking forward to it. I'm happy it's not a guy. You are the best surprise. I think people are going to actually fucking shit themselves when they see this announcement. They're gonna be like, there is no fucking way. There's no way Taylor Frankie Paul is about to be the Bachelorette.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Okay, can I also say though, that with everything I just said?

• 1:12:33Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  Still probably mistakes coming. I'm like, like, obviously like,

• 1:12:36Alex Cooper?

  We want the messy Taylor. I don't want you to go in there and be like,

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  I'm kind of ca- I'm chaos too. Like obviously there's no

• 1:12:42Alex Cooper?

  We want that.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  That. And so like, obviously like I'm trying to do better, but I still to this day, I'm like, am I doing?

• 1:12:49Alex Cooper?

  Girl, if there is not chaos and messiness, when you date 20 plus men,

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  There's no such thing with me.

• 1:12:56Alex Cooper?

  How would you bring that same energy to The Bachelorette and we're all gonna love it. Seriously.

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  I unfortunately naturally do that, so it's fine.

• 1:13:03Alex Cooper?

  Perfect. Um, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. I cannot, cannot wait to see if you have a ring on your finger in a couple of months and good luck.

• 1:13:12Speaker 03

  Thank you so much for having me. It's been an honor to be here. You're amazing. And honestly, I look up to you because I feel like you came out of a taboo thing and you were just like, here it is. You talked about topics that were, that's what got people's attention because you were saying things that no one talked about. Yeah. Or wanted to admit, you know, and you got them to say it. And here you are today. So congrats to you as well.

• 1:13:30Alex Cooper?

  Thank you. Thank you. Love you. Good luck.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:13:49Alex Cooper?

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