Behind the Scenes Minis: Pacts and Facts

Holly talks about the agreement known as the Pact of the Catacombs and recent developments related to it. There's then discussion of Daguerre's Legion of Honor medal. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:44Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.

• 2:54Holly Frey?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Holly Frey.

• 2:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

• 2:59Holly Frey?

  We talked about the catacombs of Rome this week.

• 3:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Holly Frey?

  This is one where I felt almost a little guilty because there's so much scholarship about it. Giving a brief overview, I feel like I'm leaving so much stuff out. But there was one particular recent development that was pretty interesting to me that isn't really germane to the catacombs as an entity themselves. It's a thing that references the catacombs. So in 1965, there was a meeting or a mass, depending on which source you read, held in the catacombs of Domitia. There were forty bishops there. They were in Rome for the Second Vatican Council.

• 3:45Holly Frey?

  And they had this meeting there to discuss the way that the clergy and particularly the bishops were living and their lifestyle and its lack of alignment with the people that they were pledged to serve.

• 4:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Sure.

• 4:03Holly Frey?

  So this resulted in a document which is called the Pact of the Catacombs,

• 4:10Holly Frey?

  where these bishops committed to live their lives as the average man, basically like renouncing their life of privilege, holding no land, like any land that any of them had, they were supposed to sign over to the church. They, you know, were not supposed to wear fancy vestments even, like, keep, everybody, keep it, keep it cool. Let's stay basic and make it about our.

• 4:38Holly Frey?

  Religious promise and not about all of the benefits that being connected to the Vatican gives us. It's a really lovely sentiment.

• 4:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 4:48Holly Frey?

  It got a lot of sort of ground swell support. Like eventually it started with those 40 bishops and eventually I think 500 bishops signed it. But then it just kinda faded in the background.

• 5:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh.

• 5:05Holly Frey?

  But then in 2022, Pope Francis was like, hey, you guys remember this, which fits if you know anything about, you know, his papacy and the way he went about it. And he actually had another mass there at the Basilica to kind of recommit people to it. It's really interesting because NPR did a piece about it, I think it was NPR, where they had interviewed people like historians within the Vatican and stuff. And they were kind of like, well, some of the reason that it fell out of favor is not necessarily what you'd think. Like, it's not

• 5:44Holly Frey?

  necessarily like, it's hard to give up fancy stuff as in the time, 1965, they were a little worried that if they suddenly renounced everything and were like, we are going to live as simple common men, that people would be like, are you communist now?

• 6:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 6:05Holly Frey?

  It's popularity waned pretty quickly, but it's interesting. And I like that it has been reintroduced in recent years as something to consider, you know, for anybody. I mean, listen, nobody needs a billion dollars. Nobody needs a billion dollars. I mean, it's very funny because the Vatican is one of the wealthiest entities on the planet. I, I mean, I, I wonder all the time because you'll, if you look up valuations of the Vatican's holdings, like it's almost impossible, right? Nobody really knows.

• 6:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 6:37Holly Frey?

  Everything. And some of it is just like, logistically, it's impossible. It's not even necessarily that things are being withheld. It's that there are things like. Catacombs that technically they are in charge of, but they can't get in there to know what's in there. Like there are.

• 6:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 6:54Holly Frey?

  When you have an entity that is so many centuries old, there's just stuff that's hidden. I'm suddenly reminded of a completely unrelated thing from back when I was working in cataloging in a university library. When there was like a very specific and very rare book that I think one of our professors wanted from a library in London. And we were like, it's in your catalog. Like, what do we need to do to make this work? Like where he can get access or you can even ship it and, you know, insured and will. And they were like, here's the problem. It's here, but we don't know where.

• 7:38Holly Frey?

  Because it predates the bombings during World War II. And a lot of things in our catalog are not really accessible, but we keep them in the catalog for the sake of the record. And I was like, that's fascinating. And so this is a similar thing in many cases, right? There's stuff that's there.

• 7:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 7:56Holly Frey?

  Buried, probably. It's very fascinating.

• 8:00Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Something I really liked about this episode, like in school, we mostly learned about Rome in the context of ancient Rome. Ancient Rome, paganism.

• 8:14Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 8:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  Like early or like the, the story of early or origins of democracy. That's a, that's a whole separate thing, but like, that's sort of how it was taught to me in K through 12 school. And then visiting Rome, the one time that I've been there, the amount of Christianity is inescapable.

• 8:39Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's just like, just everywhere. And so I had never really thought about this window of time.

• 8:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Like the transitional period between Roman paganism and Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire. Like, I knew about, conceptually, about persecutions and all of that. But I had not really thought about that process and also thought about the fact that there were also Jewish people there.

• 9:08Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 9:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  Like, that just, it just was a thing that had not really solidified in my mind. And then this story laid it all out.

• 9:17Holly Frey?

  Yeah. Yeah. And it is, it's surprisingly quick when you think about it, right? That it goes from, hey, you gotta get out because we don't like that you're proselytizing to, you know, uh, 200 and change years later going, by the way, everybody's cool with, like, that last gasp of, we hate Christians, to, everybody worship whatever you want. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Also, whatever deity is the real one, be cool with us. And then it's only, it's less than 70 years after that, that they're like, by the way, Christianity, official religion.

• 9:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Holly Frey?

  That's fast.

• 9:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 9:59Holly Frey?

  Yeah. It's very fast. Fascinating. Like, could you imagine, I mean, I think some of this is because of, you know, where it is on the timeline of recorded history. But could you imagine, I'm trying to think if there's an example of a country today that changes its official religion in less than a century, like, from, you know, hyper-intensive persecution to, no, that's actually our religion. It's interesting in that regard. Yeah. And you don't, I mean, it makes sense when you think about it, trying to kind of apply our knowledge of how humans live and work and tend to congregate in.

• 10:41Holly Frey?

  The metropolises that are seats of power.

• 10:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 10:44Holly Frey?

  That there would be like other diverse people moving in. But but we don't, we don't get it in school as and also there were.

• 10:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 10:54Holly Frey?

  Christians and Jewish people living there. And they all had to figure out how to make this work.

• 10:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 11:00Holly Frey?

  And they had to, and it didn't always work. And they had to figure out, you know, how to handle day to day things like burying the dead. It's um, it's just interesting to me. And so different from France where it's like, uh oh, Spaghettios, we got a lot of dead people. We gotta do something.

• 11:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  That was a whole different thing.

• 11:18Holly Frey?

  So completely different that I, I was ready for it to be less different than it, I didn't realize they went all the way back to.

• 11:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Like the first century.

• 11:29Holly Frey?

  Yeah. Fascinating.

• 11:32Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 11:33Holly Frey?

  Fascinating. On my list, although I, I am slightly claustrophobic. I managed okay in the catacombs in Paris. Because once you're down, that spiral staircase going down was not my friend. But once you're down there, it's so cool that like the, the fear parts of my brain took a hike.

• 11:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I remember when you were down there, like your expression was just like utterly transfixed. Oh, we were down there.

• 12:02Holly Frey?

  So into it. And the thing is the catacombs in Rome are much bigger. Like when you're in the catacombs in Paris, it's close. You're, there's not a lot of headroom. There's a, this literally has like vaulted ceilings in some sections. In some cases, you know, it's multi stories. So I think it would probably feel less claustrophobic. So we'll find out when I go to Rome next. I don't know when that is, but we're gonna make it happen one way or another.

• 12:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 12:27Holly Frey?

  Cause I gotta see this. I had to pull myself out of museums long enough to go do another thing.

• 12:36Holly Frey?

  It, this episode was also fun in how illustrative it is of the ways, it's come up recently on the show before, so it may just be top of mind for me right now, but how illustrative it is of the ways that people will make logic jumps about things they're observing.

• 12:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:55Holly Frey?

  That don't really hold water, but they seem reasonable. So people pick them up and run with them.

• 13:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 13:04Holly Frey?

  That's just fascinating to me. I'm like, oh, this is how misinformation perpetuates itself throughout years and years and years as we try to sort out what's going on historically. And, and this is an instance where, where there is enough recognition of the importance of both the Jewish and the Christian catacombs, that there is a lot of scholarly interest in them. So who knows if we'll get more information as time goes on. It's also, everything kind of, you know, modern that's written about it too, always does that kind of like, hey, BT dubs, there could be more we haven't figured out yet. Like there's the high possibility

• 13:44Holly Frey?

  that there are even more that we just haven't, haven't identified or uncovered because there's, you know.

• 13:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 13:51Holly Frey?

  They kind of like ran, you know, Rome had its kind of spokes of roads out of the city and a lot of them ran kind of a lot, parallel to some of those roads, like because people needed to be able to access them.

• 14:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 14:06Holly Frey?

  And so there are places where people are like, no one's found one here yet. There very well could be one, but then you would have to initiate a dig and get permission.

• 14:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 14:16Holly Frey?

  We know, you know, the Italian government is very careful about what they do and do not give permits for. I mean, even from their, their art as well as their history. So that's part of why it.

• 14:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 14:30Holly Frey?

  Why it will probably take a minute, but I bet we'll find more in our lifetimes. They're going to come up on earth, I guarantee it sometime.

• 14:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 14:38Holly Frey?

  I like how I just made a guarantee. I can't substantiate in any kind of way other than vibes, but I, it was fascinating to me. I don't know why I love catacombs so much. I just do. They're cool.

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  We've all done it, tumble down an internet rabbit hole trying to self diagnose. And sometimes doing our own research can leave us more anxious than informed. Your feed is packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge, protein max, detox, track your sleep. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? What's just wrong? That's exactly what Health vs. Hype from the American Medical Association and iHeart Media's Ruby Studio is here to find out. Each episode, Emmy nominated science communicator Trace Dominguez, who's racked up billions of views across PBS, Discovery Channel, and YouTube, talks to doctors, influencers, and real people trying these trends.

• 17:40Holly Frey?

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• 20:01Holly Frey?

  We talked about Louis Le Prince this week.

• 20:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes.

• 20:05Holly Frey?

  And his fascinating, often sad, super interesting life.

• 20:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:14Holly Frey?

  Did not learn not to trust his brother-in-law's ideas.

• 20:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  No.

• 20:17Holly Frey?

  But that's okay.

• 20:21Holly Frey?

  I saw somebody quoting something Lizzie had written about her brother, about how he was just not governed by, you know, sensible- sensibleness. But that's how all great thinkers work. And I was like, oh, Lizzie, you loved him.

• 20:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  No.

• 20:39Holly Frey?

  One of the cool things that I wanted to mention is that the exposition that Louis Le Prince went to with the Whitley Foundry when he first started working for them in the 1860s was like one of those historical- Nexus points. Where a bunch of cool stuff is going on in one place. Which happens with expositions anyway, right? That's where a lot of interesting things are happening. But that was also the one where electricity was first showcased.

• 21:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh.

• 21:07Holly Frey?

  It is the expo that Jules Verne attended and was so inspired by what he saw there that he went home and wrote 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. There were just a lot of people there that we now think of as like standard parts of history and there he was. I just find that cool. I wish that's another use for the time machine. We can go to expos that we, and just walk around. We mentioned only briefly, but it has its own interesting history and could potentially maybe be an episode at some point. The Morris-Jumel Mansion.

• 21:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah. That I pronounced wrong and you had to correct me and I had to do it over again.

• 21:42Holly Frey?

  I had to look it up because I wasn't sure. So, but it's really interesting. It is the oldest home in New York. It was built in 1765. At least the oldest standing. I'm not sure if it's the oldest, like if it was the first one. But it's historic and really interesting. George Washington used it as one of his sort of meeting places during the Revolutionary War. It has always been rumored to be haunted. It's been, you know, and apparently people tried to scare Lizzie off of it with that. Like, don't, don't buy that house. It's scary. She's like, I don't care. We're gonna fix it up and make it cool. Which is sad because her husband never got to see all of her efforts in making this amazing home for him.

• 22:24Holly Frey?

  And like where they were gonna essentially host people and show them his cool inventions. Like, they really thought they were on the precipice of changing the world in some ways. I do love how close they were and their partnership. Like, their, their letters to one another are like the relationship everyone wants, right? They seem like best friends. He doesn't ever treat her like she is not his equal. Like, he asks her opinion. He trusts her intelligence. They're just, it's very sweet.

• 22:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 22:54Holly Frey?

  I love it. Here is one, my favorite thing I learned while researching this episode.

• 22:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 23:00Holly Frey?

  It's, it's not about Louis Le Prince. It's about Louis de Guerre.

• 23:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 23:06Holly Frey?

  So we know, I'm sure we've mentioned it before on the show, that he was given the French Legion of Honor. He apparently wore that medal everywhere.

• 23:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  That's funny.

• 23:18Holly Frey?

  Like, for the, the rest of his life, after he received it, you would just see him out walking in the village.

• 23:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  With his medal? That's funny.

• 23:27Holly Frey?

  And that is not a small medal, it's a big cross. It's very, it's very charming to me. But then I got to thinking about it, at first I was like, you silly thing. And then I was like, you know what? That might be a better way to handle it than putting it in a drawer or in a display case and only ever, you know, occasionally looking at it. He, it was his day to day jewelry.

• 23:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm-hmm. I'm kind of reminded of that time that we, we ran a race at Disney and then walked around with our medals on. You had more medals than me because you ran much more than me.

• 24:01Holly Frey?

  And they went clank, clank, clank, clank, clank.

• 24:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  But yeah, we just walked around, everybody just walks around with their medals on. It's great.

• 24:08Holly Frey?

  Yeah, but just for the day.

• 24:09Tracy V. Wilson?

  Just for the day.

• 24:10Holly Frey?

  Or like the weekend, some people will do it for the rest of the weekend, but I can't imagine wearing them every day for the rest of my life.

• 24:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Just wearing them to the store.

• 24:17Holly Frey?

  Now I'm like, maybe I should, I have a lot of running medals, I could break those out.

• 24:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  You could cycle through them as accessories.

• 24:25Holly Frey?

  I'll be like Flava Flav, but with running medals, that'll be my thing, everybody will know. I am almost as fascinated with how badly people want to believe Edison put out a hit on Louis Le Prince, as I am with Louis Le Prince himself.

• 24:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I just, there's plenty to criticize about him, but I just don't envision him as a murderer or a hired hitman employer.

• 24:56Holly Frey?

  I think he was capable of being so ruthless, but I think the logistics of something like that may have been beyond anybody, really. He wasn't like a mob boss who had a whole network of people that, you know, could communicate things and like... If you buy into that, you have to somehow implicate his brother, because how else would anybody know that he missed the morning train and had to take the afternoon train? Like, there are so, like, the logic, to me, just falls apart really fast.

• 25:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 25:29Holly Frey?

  But I know people love that idea. And a lot of, if you read different Louis Leprince biographies, or even books about the history of cinema that, you know, dedicate a section, whether it's like a chapter or even just a few paragraphs to him, they all seem to have their own take on what happened to him.

• 25:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:47Holly Frey?

  And, I mean, a number of them do kind of push forward this Edison idea.

• 25:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:54Holly Frey?

  And it's very, very interesting. I mean, according to Lizzie's writing, there was a time where Louis Leprince debated, when they were living in New York, over like, should I put together a pitch and go to Edison and tell him what I've done? But there's no evidence he ever did that, or that he ever had any real contact with him. And so I'm sure there's somebody out there who's done a deep dive, but it's unclear to me, at this point, if Edison even was fully aware of what Leprince was doing.

• 26:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:23Holly Frey?

  That's the other thing, is you don't always know who knew what about other people's

• 26:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 26:29Holly Frey?

  work, like where they were in their progress. Because on the one hand, people did talk about stuff. On the other, that doesn't mean everybody got broadcast and knew about everybody else's business. And Louis Leprince didn't write stuff down, so...

• 26:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 26:44Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 26:47Holly Frey?

  Mysteries.

• 26:51Holly Frey?

  We've all done it. Tumble down an internet rabbit hole trying to self-diagnose. And sometimes doing our own research can leave us more anxious than informed. Your feed is packed with wellness trends telling you to cold plunge, protein max, detox, track your sleep. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? What's just wrong? That's exactly what Health vs. Hype from the American Medical Association and iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio is here to find out. Each episode, Emmy-nominated science communicator

• 27:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Trace Dominguez, who's racked up billions of views across PBS, Discovery Channel, and YouTube, talks to doctors, influencers, and real people trying these trends. Not to cancel them, not to hype them more, but to actually understand them. Because when it comes to your health, who you listen to matters. Start asking better questions and listen to Health Versus Hype on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 27:55Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 28:40Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 28:54Speaker 07

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• 29:36Speaker 07

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• 31:02Speaker 06

  Live Right, publishers of John U. Bacon's New York Times bestseller, The Gales of November, a chronicle of the S. S. Edmund Fitzgerald's 1975 shipwreck. "Never has it been told better than by Mr. Bacon in this colorful book," writes John J. Miller of The Wall Street Journal, while author Hampton Sides proclaims that it's destined to be a classic. The Gales of November, now in paperback.

• 31:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  When we were talking about his disappearance and like getting in touch with his brother to try to find out what happened, I was thinking about how I... I am often kind of frustrated by the ability to be contacted at any moment all the time and the, the like torrent of information that we are sort of having hurled at us at all times. But I am grateful to live at a time where when there is an emergency, it's possible to at least reach someone's voicemail immediately.

• 32:15Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 32:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Not, not the same situation as needing to reach a brother in France to find out what happened at the time that we were talking about.

• 32:24Holly Frey?

  Yeah, there are several moments where I, I, one of my many takeaways was that Lizzie Le Prince was an incredibly resilient woman.

• 32:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 32:34Holly Frey?

  Right. Because when Louis decided like, I have to go to France and fight, like they had a baby of their own who was just a few months old. And she didn't know if he was living or dead. There is a story that she got a, at least one, maybe more weird letter from him. And the weird is not the letter. It's like how it landed in, in her possession. Where there was a balloon that had been smuggled out of France that contained a, like a batch of letters.

• 33:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 33:06Holly Frey?

  But that balloon went down over the ocean.

• 33:09Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 33:10Holly Frey?

  And some of the letters were recovered from the water.

• 33:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 33:15Holly Frey?

  And she got one of those, but it only had like his name. I think it was like the date and his name and where he was. And she could make out his signature, but like none of the actual information it conveyed was in there.

• 33:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 33:28Holly Frey?

  I don't know if that's better or worse to get that when you don't know what's going on with your loved one.

• 33:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 33:35Holly Frey?

  And she didn't hear from him again until he was like, okay, we're wrapped up. I'm coming home.

• 33:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 33:40Holly Frey?

  And then when he went back to Europe for what they thought was probably going to be a few months and he stayed for three years while she took care of the kids and he wasn't making money to send back to her.

• 33:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hmm.

• 33:54Holly Frey?

  Like, I don't know how exactly she survived. I presume her parents probably helped her because they were in a better financial position. But like, that's a long time. She was a single mom essentially. In a city where they had been living for a while at that point, but like she was not native to, she just had to be really resilient. She seems amazing.

• 34:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Holly Frey?

  Also, she was beautiful. I've seen one photograph of her and I was like, it's one of those things where it's like them with their kids who were like in early adulthood.

• 34:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, sure.

• 34:24Holly Frey?

  And I got real confused because Lizzie looks as young as the kids. And I'm just like, she had good genes, she had really good genes. She was very pretty. She was very youthful. She was very smart. I love that like to her, the most fulfilling thing was working at a school for the deaf. And introducing art to those kind of curricula, which were, was not something that was prioritized at the time in a lot of places. She just seems cool. More Lizzie, please.

• 34:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Damn.

• 34:51Holly Frey?

  Lizzie, please. Uh, anyway, cinema history. The thing that I mentioned briefly in the episode, and I didn't name the person's name because I don't want to, that I was like, this might also be an episode, has nothing to do with film. You'll be happy to know.

• 35:07Holly Frey?

  I do love talking about early film history, but that one is, it's home deck and it's completely different. It's, fingers crossed I can find enough.

• 35:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  Thanks.

• 35:17Holly Frey?

  Fingers crossed. I'm really into weird inventions lately, so get ready. Get ready.

• 35:25Holly Frey?

  Not necessarily weird, but like stuff that's commonplace to us that like, we don't even think about. Where did that come from? Did it fly through the air and land here? I almost said like a bar of soap, which is the most deep cut Tom Waits reference I could ever make. It's like a, a reference to an interview he did like years ago, where he said songs to him seemed like they just sometimes flew in from outer space and landed like a bar of soap. And I was like, that's a great way to describe how a song comes to be. Anyway.

• 35:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  I just made a perplexed face because I did not get the reference at all.

• 36:00Holly Frey?

  No, I would not expect anybody to. I mean, it's a weird, deep cut. That's one of those things that to me seems very normal. I say it all the time to myself. Nobody else knows what I'm talking about. It's fine.

• 36:15Holly Frey?

  In any case, if this is your weekend coming up and you go to the movies, thank the people like Louis Le Prince and everyone else who is trying to figure out how to capture motion pictures. It's all very cool. If you don't go to the movies, I still hope you do something so fun. I hope you eat something incredibly delicious. Right now, I'm craving peanut butter toast for no reason, but doesn't that sound like, "Push away the gourmand food. I want peanut butter toast." I don't know what that's about. You crave what you crave. I hope that you have restful times, that you're able to find moments of peace and joy. I hope if you have things that you have to do, responsibilities, that you still make the best of them and they aren't too taxing and you don't feel

• 37:00Holly Frey?

  burned out by them. And that everybody is kind to one another because we need it desperately. We will have something brand new on Monday to talk about, and tomorrow we will have a classic.

• 37:17Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 37:32Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 38:07Holly Frey?

  A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. In season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, host Martine Hackett continues the conversation with people living with MG, CIDP, and the broader rare disease community, exploring what comes after diagnosis through stories of hope, progress, and connection. Produced by Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenx. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 38:40Speaker 06

  Live Right, publishers of John U. Bacon's New York Times bestseller, The Gales of November, a chronicle of the S. S. Edmund Fitzgerald's 1975 shipwreck. Never has it been told better than by Mr. Bacon in this colorful book, writes John J. Miller of The Wall Street Journal, while author Hampton Sides proclaims that it's destined to be a classic. The Gales of November, now in paperback.

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