Ep. 752: The American Chestnut and Fishing Infomercials | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Brody Henderson, and Seth Morris talk with the American Chestnut Foundation's Jared Westbrook about the "near mythical" tree, chat about their favorite First Lite gear to commemorate the Season Opener Sale, play another round of MeatEater Price is Right, and host previous 1-Minute Fishing winner Pat Durkin to see if he can repeat the magic of his first appearance. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:47Speaker 02

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• 3:09Speaker 03

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain time. That's 1 p.m. For our friends in Howard, Pennsylvania on Thursday, August 21st. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host Spencer, joined today by Seth and Brody. On today's show, we'll interview Jared Westbrook from the American Chestnut Foundation. Then we'll be reviewing some gear that's currently on sale, followed by the Price is Right. And finally, we'll be joined by Pat Durkin in Minnesota for one minute fishing. But first Seth and Brody, give me an Alaska recap. Very jealous.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  It was good. It always is. I would say in the, the, uh, the seven years I've been going there with my family, this was the worst year weather wise and, and rough seas wise. So it was two or at least two, maybe three days, we couldn't even get out to like the good halibut spots. Yep. So, you know, that's part of it. You know, you're gonna have weather, but we, we still scratched out plenty of fish and everybody had fun.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  Not the worst fishing in your seven years of going there, though.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  No, when we could get out, it was good.

• 4:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, some things were not so good this year, like salmon.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, the, yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 05

  It was tough.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Normally, we, we'd put up a lot of silvers, but the silver run either hadn't started or it was just a really weak run this year.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Tell me about this picture we're looking at.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  That is a silver gray rockfish.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  A big one.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  Normally, when we get them, they're like, yay, big, maybe sixteen inches is a decent one. And I, we dropped down on a rocky spire for ling cod and that thing came up and we thought, like, when it was coming up from a hundred feet down, we thought it was a big ling cod. And it turns out it was a giant silver gray. I didn't weigh it. The world record is sixteen pounds and that thing is, I don't know, it felt like picking up a Jake turkey. Like, so I don't know, thirteen?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  You think so?

• 5:11Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, it was huge.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Is there a scale in the boat?

• 5:13Speaker 04

  It was like this. No. It was giant.

• 5:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was a big fish. It was the biggest one I've ever seen.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Uh, would have been legal to keep?

• 5:20Speaker 04

  It, we kept it.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Oh, you did?

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, it's in the freezer.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  Okay, so like, are the guts still in it?

• 5:27Speaker 04

  No, no, no, it's, it's filleted, man.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Now I'm so curious about the weight.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  I know, so am I, but, you know.

• 5:33Speaker 05

  Nothing but flakes now.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  Um, so, yeah, that was like, probably my fishing highlight, other than putting the kids on a bunch of fish and, uh.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  When you were reeling that in, what'd you think it was?

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Dude, it was like, I, I thought it was a big ling cod, because normally it was rockfish, they'll give a few head shakes and then they come up pretty easy.

• 5:51Speaker 05

  They give up.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  And that thing was just digging and it, it pulled line a couple times, pulled drag a couple times. And you can see color coming up from a long ways down. I was like, yep, it's a big ling cod. And Andy, Steve's buddy, was in the boat from me. He's like, I knew it. Hit as soon as it, like, I jigged that, it hit bottom, jigged it once and it was on. But then I was like, holy shit, that's a giant silver gray. So, that was cool.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  Is, is the world record also Alaska's state record? Did it come from somewhere else?

• 6:21Speaker 04

  I didn't look at that. It came from Alaska, though. So, I'm assuming it's also the state record. I don't know. Um, some other highlights are, uh.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  Um, my wife, I was not in the boat, thankfully, when this happened. But my wife got a seventy, eighty pounder halibut up to, up to the surface. Um, and eh, like as she's fighting it, she was in Andy's boat and, and Steve kinda rushed into the scene.

• 6:52Speaker 05

  Uh oh.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  And took over and uh, jumped in the boat.

• 6:56Speaker 05

  That's when everything went to shit.

• 6:57Speaker 04

  I, all I heard is it went to total chaos when Steve showed up.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  Anyway, it got wrapped around the anchor line.

• 7:06Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  And they're trying to, they're hand lining it in, like it was all looking like it might happen. Uh, but Steve said that the halibut dodged the harpoon.

• 7:16Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 7:17Speaker 04

  And, and the fish got off.

• 7:19Speaker 05

  I was, I was in a different boat, um, about, I don't know, a hundred yards away when this was all going down and watching it. I, I could tell that, that his wife Carrie was on to something big. Okay. So I, I uh, got my binoculars out and was watching it all happen through my binoculars. Iwejan fish finders. Yep, that's right. Um, and Steve, I see Steve come and he comes over, he's like, what's going on? You catch anything? I said, they're, they're into something big over there. So he of course goes over there as quick as he can. And uh, I'm watching with my binoculars and I see him get the harpoon and I'm like, and I could tell like Carrie has something big on. Steve gets on the boat.

• 8:00Speaker 05

  Steve gets on their boat, grabs the harpoon and I see him like throw the harpoon. And then like he picks the harpoon up, throws it in the bottom of the boat and then crosses his arm.

• 8:13Speaker 05

  I'm like, that ain't good.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  No, no, but enough picking on Steve. It was, it was, it was a good trip. And that kind of thing happens with big halibut, but I'll tell you what, like, if you want to catch a big halibut, you, you end up in the fish shack and you want to get a big one, this is the guy to go with. Cause he was putting all kinds of people on big halibut.

• 8:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, we got some good ones this year. Would, would have that been the big one of the trip? That fish? I don't know.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  They're all like.

• 8:40Speaker 05

  When they get away, they are. That was, that was the biggest one. Steve's boy Jimmy was in my boat and he got an 80 pounder.

• 8:47Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 8:48Speaker 05

  And then his daughter was in the boat the day before she got a 60. I had what I believe to be between a 70 to 80 to the boat. And there was a little mishap with the harpoon again.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  Oh, who was running the harpoon?

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Kelsey.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 9:02Speaker 05

  Um, and then my dad had one on that we never saw it, but it drug us around for quite a while and then it got off.

• 9:12Speaker 03

  Give me a cabin update.

• 9:13Speaker 05

  Uh, cabin, cabin's looking good. Um, we got on this trip. Um, we, we wired the place and, um, got a roof on the back porch.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  No, it looks great, man.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Better than ever?

• 9:26Speaker 05

  Better than ever, yeah.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  Like even better than prior to, uh, the Christmas tree coming through your ceiling?

• 9:30Speaker 05

  Hundred percent, yeah.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  It looks brand new from the outside. It's beautiful.

• 9:34Speaker 05

  Thanks.

• 9:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's still a lot to do, but.

• 9:37Speaker 03

  How many hours do you think you spent on this trip? You were there for what, a week?

• 9:40Speaker 05

  Two weeks.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Two weeks. How many hours in that two weeks were you hammering away on the cabin?

• 9:46Speaker 05

  Well,

• 9:49Speaker 05

  I don't know. A few good days, like all day for the most part, working on it.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Two eight hour shifts?

• 9:57Speaker 05

  Um.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  More?

• 9:59Speaker 05

  Probably more.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:00Speaker 05

  Once it's all, some, I mean, some days we'd fish the morning and I'd just work on it. It's like, I wasn't just working on one project the whole time. There's like kind of a bunch of things going on.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 10:10Speaker 05

  And then just like little stuff cleaning up, you know, stuff around the cabin or fixing little things and, you know, it's, it's just, I could honestly go up there and work on it for two weeks straight and not fish at all.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 10:24Speaker 05

  But.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  Phil, do we got, uh, do we got Steve's how to dispatch a, an octopus video?

• 10:32Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 10:39Speaker 04

  Watch till the end.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  We just watched Steve bite into the, would you say that's the head?

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, the brain.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, chomping down on the brain. I think he learned that from Kimmy Werner.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  I think some.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Is that how every octopus dies up there that you guys keep?

• 11:03Speaker 05

  I don't know about up there, but in Hawaii, for sure. Yeah, usually they turn, they like immediately go a different color.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Hmm. Yeah, I was waiting for that thing to just go totally limp.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe he didn't get it great.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Those things come up in the shrimp pots, though.

• 11:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 11:21Speaker 05

  Don't get in there and eat all your shrimp out of your pot.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Okay, done with Alaska then for the year. You won't return till the spring.

• 11:27Speaker 05

  Not till spring, yeah, unfortunately, unless I can squeeze in a trip, but I don't think that's gonna happen.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  What's gonna be the big project next year?

• 11:34Speaker 05

  Um, outdoor shower. They got a couple of pilings we gotta replace yet.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Okay, is that outdoor shower gonna be a game changer?

• 11:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, just gets all the moisture and humidity from a shower out of the cabin.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 11:50Speaker 05

  The, the main thing up there is moisture management.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 05

  I've come to find over the years, because if you leave the place when you button it up for the year, um, with moisture in there, you come back with quite a bit of mold.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  I was surprised to hear you say that, uh, like, snow just doesn't stick.

• 12:08Speaker 05

  Not, I mean, from what I hear, I've never been up there during the winter, but, uh, from what I hear, they'll get like big dumps of snow and then it just like melts within the next couple of days.

• 12:17Speaker 04

  That maritime climate, you know, like the Pacific Northwest, it's just.

• 12:21Speaker 05

  Yeah. The way, snows one day, rains the next type of thing.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  And you said 13 feet of precipitation?

• 12:27Speaker 05

  Annually.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  We got 13 feet while we were there.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  It rained a lot.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  Well, still brought home some good fish.

• 12:34Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  And a potential world record.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  No, well, I don't think it was a world record.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, you didn't weigh it, so.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Never know. All right, uh, let's get on with the show. Joining us on the line first is Jared Westbrook, the Director of Science from the American Chestnut Foundation. He's here to talk about restoring this once plentiful tree. Jared, welcome to the show.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Hello, everyone. Uh, first thing, Jared, take us back in time and tell us about when things were good for the American chestnut.

• 13:06Speaker 06

  Well, chestnuts and their relatives have been around in North America for 40 million years. And where you all are in Montana, they used to live out there, in Idaho and Colorado. Chestnut fossils have been found in Tennessee, some of the oldest ones. And they used to, like, as the Ice Age came down, like 13,000 years ago, they went all the way down into Florida, and then slowly, over the last 2,000 years, they moved up into, like, New England. And people used them, Native Americans, like, would burn the forest, create openings. The

• 13:46Speaker 06

  chestnuts would be plentiful source of food. And then, when European sellers came over here, we, you know, collected nuts by the trainload and shipped them up to the cities, New York City, Baltimore. People sold them on the street corners. They made more money off of chestnuts than they did off of farming. So it was a source of livelihood for people. And before, and after, I mean, during that time, people brought over Chinese chestnuts, and we can talk about the blight next.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, today, the USDA refers to the American chestnut as a "near-mythical species." So what happened?

• 14:27Speaker 06

  So, the chestnuts used to be in, you know, North Carolina, where I live, in the Smoky Mountains, like, you could, there's like, reports of people being able to walk their cows into the side, inside of the trees, and walk around, like, they're that big. So there are huge, you know, old-growth stands of these in the, in the Smoky Mountains, and then up into the, throughout the Appalachians. And in 1904, actually, earlier, people were brought over, like, Japanese chestnuts and Chinese chestnuts, because they were bred for having large nuts to eat. And they brought them over, and they did not know that a fungus

• 15:10Speaker 06

  was on those trees. And this fungus attacks the bark of the tree, and then they die, from the top, the, the top of the tree dies, but they still live from their roots. But right now, there was, like, 4 billion trees on the East Coast. Now, there's probably a few hundred million that are left, but they're... Sitting in the understory of the forest, like if you're walking around the woods in the Appalachian Mountains, you might see them. They have the blight, but they don't really flower and reproduce. So they're no longer evolving on their own, living as a tree as they once were.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Now, I've seen your organization refer to them as functionally extinct. Why that label?

• 15:55Speaker 06

  Because they're not actually extinct, like in the sense that there's no chestnuts out in landscape. They're actually kind of plentiful, especially around here in Carolina, Western Carolina. But they don't reproduce. They're, they'll grow up like 10 feet and then they get the blight and they die. And they're in this cycle of dying back and then re-sprouting from their roots over and over again. So yeah, they're not really reproducing on their own, but we can occasionally get, like on the side of the road, sometimes we'll find one. Some people will tell us like, oh, there's a chestnut flowering. And we can get seeds from those and breed those trees, but then they die from blight. So it's not like a permanent solution that they're reproducing on their own.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Some estimates say there are fewer than 100 mature American chestnuts left in the wild. What can you tell us about where those mature trees live and how they've been able to survive the blight?

• 16:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, we call them large surviving American chestnuts. And they're extremely rare. Like I was saying, like there's hundreds of millions left, but like there's, I know of a few dozen. We have names for them, like ort. There's one tree in Pennsylvania. It's in someone's yard. It's called ort. We have another tree in Virginia, Amherst tree, Erie, Pennsylvania. So we know these trees. And they have the blight and they've been living with the blight probably since before, I mean, when the original pandemic of the blight came through. And they seem to have a slightly elevated resistance. When we, we've actually crossed those trees, like bred them together.

• 17:35Speaker 06

  And then we gave their kids the blight and they, the kids have somewhat elevated resistance, but they're not super resistant themselves. So they're kind of. Lucky trees, you could say, and they have low levels of blight resistance.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  You guys do a lot of citizen science and you ask people to fill out a tree locator form if they think they've spotted an American chestnut. What are some of the strangest places you've had confirmed trees?

• 18:03Speaker 06

  Well, some of the trees, you know, it's interesting is like people brought Lewis and Clark, like the Lewis and Clark expedition brought chestnuts, people brought them over to Washington State. So like on the coast range in Washington, there are chestnuts growing that don't have blight. So in California, Washington, these are areas where strangely the blight hasn't come and the these trees are mature. There's another tree in Belgium that was brought over before the blight. That's maybe the largest tree in the world. It's like 120 feet tall. And so you can actually see, you know, these trees that you can actually see how the tree

• 18:46Speaker 06

  grows now are really rare. But the West Coast has some and Europe in our region has one. So if you ever get out to to Reuven, our region in Belgium, that's one place you could see an American chestnut.

• 19:02Speaker 05

  Jared, has there been any movement with crossing American chestnuts with other chestnuts that are like resistant to the blight? When I was in college, we did a little bit of that planting trees that were like American chestnut mixed with something else like a Chinese chestnut. I don't remember exactly what it was, but just trying to find something that could live on the landscape and be resistant to the blight.

• 19:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, so that's been the focus of our organization is the Chinese chestnuts, Japanese chestnuts. They they co-evolved with the blight fungus for tens of millions of years. They have resistance. And there's been a long effort, starting in the 1920s, to breed, crossbreed the American species with the Chinese and the Japanese. And what we've done is you get the 50/50 hybrids between the two species and they tend to, they have resistance from the Asian chestnut species and they are fertile. So they, we do, they, all the chestnut species hybridize readily. But

• 20:13Speaker 06

  In order to make them grow and be competitive in the forest, the American chestnuts grow very tall, the Chinese chestnuts tend to be shorter orchard trees. What we're trying to do is basically cross those hybrids back to American chestnut, dilute out some of the Chinese traits, bring in more of the American traits, but also select for resistance so that we can improve that over time. So what we're trying to do is kind of dilute out the, make the trees keep the resistance, but then also breed for these tall timber type traits in the American chestnut. And we have this citizen science organization that where people have found trees, like from Maine all the way down to Mississippi.

• 20:57Speaker 06

  They tell us we've, we found a tree, it's flowering. And we've taken pollen from our hybrid, our selected hybrids, and put it on those trees to get these diverse populations. And we have probably four to 500 orchards across the East Coast, maintained by volunteers that have been, we, we plant the kids of these hybrids in these orchards and we give them blight. And we see which trees survive from that. And we've continued now, I mean, we've done this huge effort of like, looking at all these trees' resistance over like the last 20 years. And we are now crossing these best trees that have really good resistance with each other

• 21:40Speaker 06

  and selecting even better kids of those trees. So we're incrementally improving the resistance so the trees can live on their own. Awesome.

• 21:49Speaker 04

  Hey Jared, beyond like physical cross breeding, where you're like putting pollen on another tree, has there been any, any like lab genetic engineering to, to, to work on resistance to the, to the blight?

• 22:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, there is a, there is a what's called a transgenic tree where it has a gene from wheat that's been put into the American chestnut tree. The gene is involved in, like detoxifies an acid that's produced by the fungus.

• 22:25Speaker 06

  And that has, it's going under, it's been under review by the USDA to be able to release those trees. And we've done some assessments on their resistance. And they look, they looked great initially in the, when we look at the seedling stage and we gave them blight as little babies. But when you put them out in the, like over time, for a longer period of time, they get pretty severe infections and there's a lot of susceptible trees. So what we've learned is that the resistance is complicated. There's a lot of, there's a lot of genes involved in that. And so doing that cross breeding brings in a lot of those genes involved in the resistance

• 23:08Speaker 06

  to give it sort of more durable resistance than any single gene could give the trees.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Yep. Jared, why does it matter? What, what does the American chestnut provide that our eastern forests are missing without them there?

• 23:22Speaker 06

  I mean, I would love to see chestnuts in, on the mountains in North Carolina. They grow on top of the mountains and with some of the most beautiful places in the Appalachians. And they used to provide nuts every year and the wildlife carrying capacity of the forests diminished as a result of loss of the chestnut. And there are insects and things that also were dependent on the tree. And we would love to see like the, in this, there's like strip mine sites in throughout Appalachia where the chestnuts grow really well on that really poor acidic soil.

• 24:01Speaker 06

  So I'd love to see, you know, reclamation of some of the mine lands with, with chestnuts going forward.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  For people who are listening right now, what can they do to help the American chestnut?

• 24:14Speaker 06

  Well, we are a citizen science organization and a nonprofit organization and we have, we're funded by members. And so people donate to us and that helps us. What we're doing is a lot of genomic testing on our trees to make the breeding go faster. Growing out the best kids and then giving them blight and seeing which, you know, really confirming they have resistance. So if you live in the East Coast, you can join your local chapter. We have 16 state chapters across the East Coast. But also just donate to T A C F to help us with some of our, our work to do the cross breeding and genomics to better understand resistance and make the breeding work a lot better.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Thank you for joining us Jared and thanks for helping save the American chestnut.

• 25:00Speaker 06

  Thanks guys.

• 25:01Speaker 05

  Thanks Jared.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Bye now. I saw you two boys nodding along when he said that there is a mature one living in Erie, Pennsylvania.

• 25:10Speaker 05

  That's Brody's neck.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's my old stomping grounds. I didn't know that. It's just, just that's where it came from.

• 25:15Speaker 05

  I know of several that are living on the family farm, but they, they're just stumps sprouting from old stumps.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Just babies.

• 25:22Speaker 05

  Yep. They only get, like he said, 10, 10, 12 feet tall and then die.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Did you know that before today that like, that's what that was and that's why it was doing it?

• 25:31Speaker 05

  Yep. Yep. Yeah. I mean, there's, I don't, I don't know how many there are exactly on the farm, but I mean, you can, it's nothing to walk for five minutes in the woods and find a couple of them.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  I think he said there's hundreds of millions that just never reach maturity.

• 25:47Speaker 05

  Yep. They're all over the place, but yeah, man, it's such a shame. Those trees were like, I mean, I've heard them called like the redwoods of the, of the east.

• 25:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  Just huge trees that I couldn't imagine what it would have been like back in the day to see that.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  A lot of critters, a lot of critters would have been eating them.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we have some Chinese chestnuts on the farm and man, when those things start falling, the deer hammer them. They love them.

• 26:16Steven Rinella?

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• 29:08Speaker 03

  All right, moving on, our next segment is gear talk.

• 29:12Speaker 07

  Let's talk about gear, baby. Let's talk about scopes and beats. Let's talk about boots and binos, camo patterns with Yonni. Let's talk about gear. Let's talk about gear. Let's talk about gear.

• 29:27Speaker 03

  This week for gear talk, we are talking about our favorite first light gear. Their season opener sale is happening right now over on firstlight.com. This is one of their biggest sales and just in time for hunting season, you can get up to 40% off select base layers, outerwear, pants and more. The deals are happening now through Sunday, August 24th. Again, that's firstlight.com for some of their biggest discounts of the year. All right, Seth, you go first. What are you talking to us about today?

• 29:56Speaker 05

  I'm going to talk to you about my favorite hunting pan of all time, the Corrigan Foundry pan.

• 30:03Speaker 05

  Man, I still have the original pair that I got when these things first came out years ago, probably five, six years ago. I don't even remember, but I still use them every fall. They can't wear them out. I like them because they have. Knee pads, which I like to have in a hunting pants, especially when you're doing stuff like antelope hunting and whatnot crawling around. Um, it's nice to have knee pads and they got the waterproof knees and seat, which is helpful.

• 30:33Speaker 03

  And they are 30% off, uh, this week. Again, the sale goes through Sunday. What hunt are you going to be wearing them on this year?

• 30:40Speaker 05

  Um, pretty much everything I'm hunting elk, deer, antelope. Uh, I'll probably wear them when I go back east whitetail hunting, depending on the weather. Um, yeah, I kind of wear them for everything. I honestly just wear them when I'm.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Wear them in the office.

• 30:56Speaker 05

  I wear them in the office. I wear, I wore them for two weeks in Alaska recently.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  Good endorsement.

• 31:02Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, I wear them all the time. I like just general fixing stuff around the house.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  Cause you've got knee pads. You're always, you know, on your knees for something. So.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  That is the corrugate foundry pant, uh, 30% off for the next few days. All right. I'm going to go next. Uh, I am going to talk to you about the men's kiln long john. That is 20% off during this sale. This is my favorite base layer. It's my most used base layer. My guess would be that it's the most used base layer, uh, among the crew. Uh, and if I could only have like a singular base layer for the rest of my life, it would be this, the, the kiln long john. Uh, they're easy to hike in. They also work great. If you're still hunting, uh, I wore them when I killed a bull last year and it was 50 degrees on, on opening day. I also wore them, uh, when I killed a muley on the last week of the season, when it was negative 18 degrees wind chill. They're comfortable enough to sleep in, uh, if I'm tenting in cold weather, uh, wear them when I'm snow blowing my driveway.

• 31:57Speaker 03

  Uh, and the badass skiers in the office like Corey Calkins, uh, he'll wear them for skiing. He especially likes the ones that have the zippers in them. Uh, 380 reviews on first lights website, 4.81 stars. So they are just universally loved. Uh, again, that's the kiln long john, uh, sizes available small to two XL. They're also available in the women's version, the kiln long jane, and that is 20% off right now as well.

• 32:24Speaker 05

  It's a great piece.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Like I said, I genuinely wear it all fall.

• 32:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just love wool next to skin.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. I run them long. I run them from like October to April.

• 32:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  Half the year.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's legit.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  All right, Brody, what are you talking about today?

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Um, the Dirtbag Duffel.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  Love it.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  Uh, I've been running these things for, I don't know, like, these things have been out for what, four or five years now at least?

• 32:50Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Um, I have the original, I have a couple of the big ones, couple of medium ones, like, and I have had no, no trouble with any of them. They're, they're bomb proof, they're durable. Um, they're great when you gotta take stuff into like a wet environment like Southeast Alaska or like the river trip that we're gonna do later this year. Um, they're, they're just, they're just a really good duffel and they got, you know, extra features like pockets and things like that. You can carry it like a backpack through the airport if you want. Um, for a very long time, I was a Patagonia Black Hole supporter.

• 33:33Speaker 04

  Um, and the Dirtbag Duffel kinda took over that, the large took over that spot for me. Um, you can fit a week's worth of stuff in there easily in the big one. Um, so, yeah.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  It's, it's the thing that I travel with the most, so much so that I had to get a second one because my wife wanted to have one as well.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Um, that's, that's the medium I use for a lot of traveling. Uh, they also, what, what's the material on them?

• 33:59Speaker 04

  It's TPU ripstop, um, but you know, it's got that, uh,

• 34:05Speaker 04

  what, it's got like a coating on it, you know, waterproof coating.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  That's what I was gonna get it. It has the lid that I think they call the launch pad. And you open it up if you're hunting and you're like changing boots, you stand on that thing. It doesn't matter if there's snow or water underneath it, uh, your feet are not gonna get wet. I, I love the Dirtbag Duffel and that is 20% off this week as well.

• 34:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just had that thing in, in Southeast Alaska.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  When we were up there and when we were leaving, it was pouring rain.

• 34:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, and you gotta set your stuff out like an hour before the float plane gets there.

• 34:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I had that thing sitting in the rain for a while and it was fine.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, they have small, medium and large. Uh, I'll travel with all my hunting clothes in there in the fall. And then again, if we're just like staying in a hotel somewhere, it's a duffel that my wife and I both use. Again, that is the season opener sale where 120 first light items are discounted this week. The deals end on Sunday, August 24th. Head over to firstlight.com to gear up before it's too late. All right, we're halfway through the show. Phil, let's take a break for some listener feedback. What's the chat have to say?

• 35:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, let's do it. Get those questions in. Cameron says, question for the crew. What are some tips to keep meat from spoiling on warmer days and longer pack outs? Cameron says that he's doing his first elk hunt DIY style in Kentucky.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  I'll chime in. Get the skin off, but I like, you would be surprised how long skinned out elk quarters can last in warm weather. If you get the skin off and hang them in a shady like spot with some breeze, like it's not a problem if it's 70 degrees out during the day, you can hang that meat longer than you think you can. If you get that skin off and hang it in a shady spot.

• 35:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, as long as it gets that crust.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 05

  They can, you'd be surprised. I was surprised that when we were in Africa, there's no refrigeration there. They hung that meat for days.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Yep. If you get like one cool night to get the interior, you know, of the meat cooled, you're going to be fine for like a few days. It's just not something I worry about a whole lot.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Airflow, very important. And as we've talked about on previous episodes of trivia, if the conditions are too extreme, you could get bone rot, especially around those joints are going to hold a lot of heat. Being there in Kentucky, I'm guessing that thing's not going to be away from a cooler for too long. So just get it on ice as soon as you can.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  And keep it dry. Like if that stuff's hanging and it gets wet, it's going to go bad a lot faster.

• 36:42Speaker 07

  Uh, let's see. Freddie Rick and the Mon says, I'm taking my wife out antelope hunting tomorrow. What's a fun in the field meal we should make if successful?

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Hmm. I, I love, I don't know if it was like season four of Meat Eater. Steve's on a solo antelope hunt and he cooks up some buck nuts in butter. It's, it's real easy. All you need is a source of heat, a skillet and some butter. And, and that's a pretty authentic way to enjoy a successful antelope hunting.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  You gotta go, um, if you do those, don't go high heat or they'll explode. You gotta take your time with them.

• 37:18Speaker 05

  I like, uh, tenderloin fresh in the field, just cause those, especially with an antelope. If you get that crust on, on those things, like you end up just taking too much, like just eat those things fresh.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  You don't want those to go in the freezer.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, no. Just eat them fresh over fire or something and they're fantastic.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  The heart would be good to cut that up right away and eat that.

• 37:39Speaker 07

  Uh, Drifting Flies has been just absolutely stoked in the chat this whole show, just mostly all caps, Trump style. Uh, but he says, Brody, favorite streamer? He's gonna target some big browns very soon.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Oh, man. There's an old, uh,

• 37:55Speaker 04

  old, I don't know if they still make it. I bet you they do. It's called the tequila. Um, I wish we could pull up a picture of it. It's got like a shiny, like copper colored, uh, chenille body and then like a, a bright, like yellow marabou tail and some big, bright rubber legs on it. And like in the fall, um, it drives those big brown trout insane. It's a good one.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  Do you tie your own streamers back in the day?

• 38:26Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, man. I tied a lot of flies. I still have all this stuff. I, you know, I just don't do it.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Waiting for your sons to get into it.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  You think they will?

• 38:34Speaker 04

  I have so many flies that on now I don't need to tie any. Um, I don't know. But yeah, that's a real good one. Um, there, there's a bunch of like, I, I'm not like, I kind of stopped fly fishing as much. There, there's been like a new wave of fly tying that's gone on like, especially in the streamer world.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Explain that to me.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  Just bigger, like it's trended towards bigger in the last several years, like Kelly Gallup at the slide in. He's got these real big flies that tend to have weird names like sex dungeon and things like that. And then Blaine chocolates, um, God, what game changer, like a lot of people are throwing those. Um, and they tend to, tend to, if you want to like specifically target like a brown trout 30 inches and larger, you need to be throwing a fly that's six inches long or bigger, I would say. Because otherwise you're just going to be catching a lot of 16 inches.

• 39:33Speaker 07

  Uh, Mississippi says Spencer, Brody and Seth, what's your favorite feature that you look for in a skinning knife? Or features?

• 39:41Speaker 03

  Hmm. Uh, probably just how it feels in my hand. I, I, I know like my favorite knife that I, I keep in my gun cabinet. Uh, you could put a blindfold on me and hand me all my knives and, and I would pick that one, I think. Uh, every single time, just because it, it feels right in my hand. So as far as what you're looking for, um, I, I, I don't know specifics when you're just looking at something. How's it feel in your hand? I, I'll tell you one thing, I don't care for a gut hook on my knife. It just like gets in the way. And it seemed like those were very fashionable for a moment and they're becoming less fashionable now. But I, I'm just like, pretty much immediately not interested if it has a big gut hook on it.

• 40:18Speaker 04

  I would say something with, without an overly large blade. I think, you know, when you're, when you're dealing with stuff laying on the ground and getting skin off, like a, a big, long blade is just going to be detrimental. Um, and I like, like width wise narrower ones. I know some people like that wider blade, but I like something a little narrower and a little more nimble.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I agree with that. Something narrower.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  But those heavy duty, like sturdy knives with like broader blades. When you get into like popping hip joints and stuff like that, that's where they come in handy. Um, but yeah, it's something that's sharp and something that feels good, something that holds an edge.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Seth?

• 41:03Speaker 05

  Um, I like some with a little bit more of a rounded tip.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  Not, not so pointy on the tip. It also depends on what I'm skinning. Like if I'm not worried about putting holes in it.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 41:15Speaker 05

  Like a deer, usually it, you know, it doesn't matter that much. But if I'm skinning something like a coyote or something that I want to tan and keep the hide nice. Um, I like a little boy rounded tip. So I don't punch holes in it.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Let's do one more for now, Phil.

• 41:29Speaker 07

  Sure. Ethan says Seth, my buddy Sean just won the Michigan walleye tour for the second straight year.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 41:34Speaker 07

  He'll be bringing some filets down next weekend. Best way to cook them. Thanks.

• 41:39Speaker 05

  Man, I just like fried walleye.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  It's hard to beat that. Um, I one time took a small, smaller walleye fillets and like rolled them up lengthwise.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 41:50Speaker 05

  And then you wrap those in bacon.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Never seen this.

• 41:52Speaker 05

  It's kind of like a, like a walleye pinwheel type. And, uh, just bake those or, or put them on the grill, you know, hit them with some butter and whatnot. That was pretty good.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Brody, you been eating a lot of walleye this summer?

• 42:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, it's my, like my wife likes some panko crusted.

• 42:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Like pan fried, not like deep fried. And that's very good. Um, another thing, their walleye is pretty delicate, but you can pull it off if you're careful is, um, you get them on a, on a griddle, like an outdoor griddle, like a Blackstone or whatever, and just do black and Cajun black and fillets. Those are real good.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. You go to the meat eater.com. You'll find a lot of good walleye recipes there. Uh, Jesse Griffiths, I think it was probably four or five years ago at this point, dead, uh, beer battered fish, which, which that recipe would work great for walleye as well. Uh, that's what I'd recommend.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Chester and I did a, one of those, it was a meat or cooks or something episode.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  Mm.

• 42:50Speaker 05

  Um, where we fried walleye. And it was fantastic. Panko style.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Even though Chester can't even enjoy it.

• 42:58Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Just gotta look.

• 42:59Speaker 05

  He's just gotta look and smell.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  All right, moving on, our next segment is one minute fishing.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Well, do you punk?

• 43:09Speaker 00

  Go ahead. Make my cast.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  One minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is American hero Pat Durkin. He's on Lake Vermillion in Minnesota and fishing for a donation to Sturgeon for tomorrow. Pat, welcome to the show.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Hey Spencer. Oh, it's my friend.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  Pat's got a fish. He's holding a smallmouth right now. Already done. Wow.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, we just reeled it in just now.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  Okay, uh, well, that, that's a good sign. Uh, how'd you catch it?

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Leighton, tell them what you caught.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  A bass? Smallmouth bass.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  A very nice smallmouth. He's been putting on his feed bag for fall. That thing's got a nice gut on it. Yeah, look at that thing. Uh, Pat, you have a few guests with you today. Tell us about your fishing buddies.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  First of all, here is Leighton. Leighton's my nine-year-old grandson. From Rochester, Minnesota. Over my left shoulder here is my daughter Leah. This is my, um, oldest daughter. She was 14 years in the Navy, Spencer.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Wow, cool.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Now, I didn't know, uh, that they let cheeseheads fish in Minnesota, so why Lake Vermillion, Pat?

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Well, we, um, it's kind of a long story, but Leah walked into a good opportunity to pick up a one-week rental up here. Around Lake Vermillion. And I hear Lake Vermillion, they make sure you know it's spelled with one L, but it's a lake with 361 islands. It's a big area. It's just west of, um, Ely, Minnesota.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  And, and what's the plan for that smallmouth? Is he gonna, uh, go in the live well or back in the lake?

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Layton says live well.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  That means we'll be eating him for, for dinner probably.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  I like that attitude. Uh, how's the fishing been so far this week, Pat?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Well, um, our first day was Tuesday. We got, uh, four walleyes and, uh, let's see, a couple of smallmouths. They were getting mainly perch for fishing slip bobbers here on, um, Armstrong Bay. Excuse me, Armstrong Bay. And so this is a, we caught maybe a, a half dozen nice perch this morning. And now it's kind of getting a little slower until this guy hit.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Okay. So for one minute fishing, are you targeting smallmouth or are you going for something else?

• 45:48Speaker 02

  We've been targeting, um, basically perch, perch and bluegills. And once in a while, when these, when these random smallmouths shows up and smacks that little crappie, you know, sized jig. And once in a while we got, gotten them in the boat today.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Okay. So for one minute fishing, he's looking for a, a perch, a bluegill or a smallmouth. And you, you said you're tossing jigs at them?

• 46:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, we got, um,

• 46:15Speaker 02

  we have, what we're doing, we have this little, um, chunks of, of a worm on there.

• 46:23Speaker 07

  It's us again.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  And like a number eight, number, number six, that, that thereabouts. I'm gonna put this in the live well. Hang on one second.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  Okay. Uh, and then after Pat gets that fish in his live well, we're going to start one minute fishing. And for the first time ever, we're going to have three anglers, uh, trying to fish for that donation today. So Pat, whenever you guys make your first cast, your one minute of fishing will start.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have, um, Layton go first.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Let, let's have you all, can you all fish at once, Pat? Can, can we do, uh, all three of you in that one minute?

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, we can do them all at once.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Okay. It's, there's going to be a little chaos in Lund.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yep. Let me get mine. I gotta rebate real quick, Spencer.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Okay. Pat is reapplying, uh, a night crawler.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Seth, Lake Vermillion. Ever been there?

• 47:17Speaker 05

  Never been, but it's definitely one I want to visit.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:20Speaker 05

  I've heard lots of good things about Vermillion.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Just, just that general part of Minnesota.

• 47:24Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 47:25Speaker 03

  Pat, do they call you captain in that boat?

• 47:30Speaker 02

  They call me a lot worse.

• 47:33Speaker 03

  Okay, Pat, is everybody ready?

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Hey, Clayton, you're ready.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  Okay. Clayton, you go first. I'm late cast.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  Alright, uh, grandson has made his cast. Pat has made his cast. Their one minute has begun.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Pat, are we just running slip bobbers?

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Sorry?

• 47:59Speaker 03

  Are we just running slip bobbers?

• 48:01Speaker 02

  They're gone.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  The, the wind is picking up.

• 48:07Speaker 05

  Getting really windy.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  We're losing Pat's audio.

• 48:13Speaker 05

  Is he going?

• 48:15Speaker 03

  Is he reeling one in?

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Oh, he did it!

• 48:20Speaker 03

  Pat Durkin, the only angler to be successful twice at one-minute fishing. Both times, was that a yellow perch?

• 48:29Speaker 02

  This one's a bit smaller, but he's, he's definitely an eater.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  Okay, and both times, Pat has been successful. He's done it with a yellow perch, once in Idaho, and now once in Minnesota. Well done, Pat! Captain Pat Durkin.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  You bet.

• 48:44Speaker 05

  That's awesome. In the old Lund.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  In the Lund, in, uh, Lake Vermillion. He's, uh, just won a $500 donation to Sturgeon for tomorrow. Pat, you were really stoked, uh, to, to make a donation to Sturgeon for tomorrow. Tell us about them.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, this goes back in my, in my first one, history a little bit. Spencer and I, as a, a young reporter back in the 1980s, a group called, a group of local fishermen in the Lake Winnebago area, which is Oshkosh, Wisconsin, that region. They, um, wanted to get more involved in hands-on citizen science aspect of, of Sturgeon management. And they formed this group called Sturgeon for Tomorrow and they've been running now close to forty, about forty years or so. And every spring they help organize what's called Sturgeon Patrol. And they put guys on the Wolf River where the sturgeon spawn and make sure they don't get poached.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  There used to be a real bad poaching problem in that, in that region back in the, all, all the way through the early eighties. I used to do, um, newspaper stakeouts basically, riding along the wardens. Spend the night watching for, um, poaching activity on the Wolf River. But these guys, that's one of the, one of the very, very many projects they get involved in.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  Well, uh, you just saved a few more sturgeon with that $500 donation. Well done. The legend of Pat Durkin in one minute fishing grows.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Thanks, you guys.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Thanks for joining us, Pat. Good luck with the rest of the week. High fives all around in the boat. Um, I'm tickled. That was great. That was fun.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  He should just be on every week and we'd have people that catch fish.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Pat, Pat is great, uh, because he's, he's obviously a retired fella. Uh, I could text him on a Wednesday and be like, Pat, uh, we need someone for one minute fishing tomorrow. He's like, okay, I'm in. Uh, so you'll see a lot more of Pat Durkin on Media Radio's One Minute Fishing.

• 50:41Steven Rinella?

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• 53:18Speaker 03

  All right, moving on, our next segment is The Price is Right.

• 53:22Speaker 07

  Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana, Meat Eater Radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's The Price is Right! Woo, yes! Seth Morris, come on down! Alright, he's here. Rory Anderson, come on down! You're the next two contestants on Meat Eater Radio's The Price is Right! Now, here's your host, Spencer Neuharth!

• 53:48Speaker 03

  Wow, thank you, Phil. He brings it every single time. That's impressive. He just does that, you know? It's not pre-recorded or nothing. No, no, that's live Phil in the studio. Now, this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the Meat Eater Universe, and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer to the correct answer will get a shout-out, and none of them are going to cheat. They have all vowed to be very honest.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  How many of these are we doing? Just one?

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Three of them. We've got three of them. There are three products today. Have either of you boys played Meat Eater Radio's Price is Right before? Nope. I did. I played once and won. Okay, we've got the veteran Seth here then, bringing all that experience.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  What's the prize? What are we playing for?

• 54:39Speaker 03

  We'll find out in a second. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid.

• 54:46Speaker 07

  Our first item today is a guided Nilgai and whitetail hunt on the famous King Ranch in Texas. Here's your chance to hunt one of the largest pieces of private land in the world. At 825,000 acres, the King Ranch is bigger than Rhode Island. This property is home to 18,000 Nilgai, which got their start on the King Ranch after a stalking from the San Diego Zoological Garden a century ago. The package includes a Nilgai bull and a management whitetail buck that's guaranteed to score between 130 and 140 inches. You'll also get two nights lodging at the King Ranch, but meals are not included.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  That's right, Phil, but keep in mind it's a four-hunter minimum, so you better have three buddies with deep pockets, just like you.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  So we got a four-hunter price?

• 55:26Speaker 03

  We're just gonna do for one hunter, one hunter price, and this gets you a Nilgai bull. A management buck that they say will be an eight or nine pointer that is over five and a half years old and will score between 130, 130 and 140 inches. Uh, and you have two nights at the King Ranch.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Two nights, three days of hunting or something like that?

• 55:49Speaker 03

  I think, I think it's two full days. They are very efficient.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  I guess.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  On the King Ranch.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  I killed a whitetail buck about eh, 80 yards from the King Ranch border.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  That thing might've been living on the King Ranch. You killed yourself a kid, was it a high fence, uh, there or was it a low fence?

• 56:03Speaker 05

  Nope, low fence.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Low fence.

• 56:04Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  You don't even need a high fence when you own Rhode Island.

• 56:07Speaker 05

  Oh, I know. It's a lot of land.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  Can't fathom.

• 56:09Speaker 05

  But I like to say that, that, that buck was living on the King Ranch and I, I got to get that one for free.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Ranch buck. Again, the package is a guided hunt for a bull nilgai, a 135 inch whitetail, and two nights of lodging at the famous King Ranch in Texas. And remember you cannot go over. If both of you go over, you'll both be told to try again.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Seth, are you ready? I'm ready. Brody, are you ready?

• 56:40Speaker 04

  I'm gonna make a little change.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  Making a small change to his answer for one person to go to the King Ranch and kill themselves a nilgai and a whitetail. Alright, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth saying 10,500, Brody saying 8,900. The correct answer is lower than both of those, so you'll both need to try again. We know it is less than 8,900. They are revisiting their whiteboards and coming up with a new answer. Brody, very quick. Seth, are you ready? Reveal your answers. We have Seth saying 6,350. Brody said 6,900.

• 57:27Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  The correct answer is 8,500, giving Brody that first point. He was only 400 dollars off with his first guess. Now, a nilgai cow hunt is 4,400. A combo dove hunt and saltwater fishing trip is 2,400.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  I've caught redfish right off the bank.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  200. From the King Ranch?

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Right off the bank of the King, well, like casting towards the bank of the King Ranch.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  Okay, so you, you boys are very familiar with that place. Phil, how'd the chat do?

• 58:00Speaker 07

  Uh, well, we had several people get it right on the money. I'm convinced they cheated, unfortunately. I just, I don't trust anybody. But Bullside Archery guessed eight grand, so I'm gonna give him, I'm gonna give him the point.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Well done, Bullside Archery. That, that just goes to show, if you're gonna cheat, you can't cheat right on the money.

• 58:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 07

  Exactly. You're, you're gonna have to fool me.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Uh, and, and we can still see Pat Dirk in fishing. He's still in our waiting room there. Film that live while, uh... Yeah, we're watching, uh, some fancy camera work now. It looks like the boat is moving around. Alright, we'll, uh, maybe check into Pat later. Phil, tell us about the second item up for bid.

• 58:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, sorry. Stopping all the things.

• 58:43Speaker 07

  Next up, we have the 102-piece Deluxe Pro Kit from Banjo Minnow. But hold on, I'm gonna pause this video, cuz I can't do this lure justice. But do you know what can? This two-minute infomercial from 1994. Please, get your credit cards ready.

• 58:58Speaker 08

  Just is amazing. There's only one fishing lure proven to catch all these fish, and virtually every species of game fish in North America. It's the Banjo Minnow, the world's first and only genetic response fishing lure. Hello, everybody. I'm Bill.

• 59:12Speaker 07

  There he is, the man.

• 59:14Speaker 08

  The Banjo Minnow is truly the most exciting thing I've seen in a mighty long time.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  Oh, so...

• 59:21Speaker 08

  Predator fish are genetically programmed to attack and eat crippled dying minnows. The Banjo Minnow perfectly mimics the spastic action of a wounded minnow. A movement so realistic and so irresistible to predator fish that it could actually trigger a genetic response.

• 59:35Speaker 07

  How did it never catch on?

• 59:37Speaker 05

  All, all that footage from a Bass Pro Shop tank?

• 59:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Oh, King Salmon love it? Uh, anything.

• 59:44Speaker 08

  The Banjo Minnow has proved itself again, and again, and again, that it will outfish every fishing lure in existence today.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  We had made a fishing lure that actually made fish bite even if they weren't hungry.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  A genetic response.

• 1:00:00Speaker 08

  Do they still sell these?

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  Talk about in a second.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  It's just unbelievable. I was really impressed. There won't be a fish left in the world.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:00:10Speaker 08

  The Banjo Minnow's unique patent pending rubber weed guard lets every fisherman fish anywhere.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Zep, you need that?

• 1:00:17Speaker 08

  Yeah. On top of docks, right where the big ones are.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  Oh, two of them came up for it.

• 1:00:26Speaker 08

  You guys are getting so excited. You know, hot and bothered. Banjo weedless bait hooks, counterbalance jigs, and much, much more. All yours for only $29.95. For faster service, have your credit card ready and call the number on your screen right now. We have to account for inflation these days now.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Now, you're probably wondering who on earth would fall for such ridiculous marketing. Well, me, I would. When I was in middle school, I now present to you two Banjo Minnows from my personal tackle box. And I can attest that these have tricked dozens of largemouth in the 40-acre lake near my hometown. Uh, now, the, the price that you are guessing today is for a Banjo Minnow set in 2025. They are still around and they offer a 102-piece starter kit sold on banjominnow.com. It comes with 24 Banjo Minnows, 30 O-rings, 24 weed guards, 12 nose anchors, and 12 hooks. Now, look at that one. This is a new swimbait design. I have the OG. These are way more desirable.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  Look, it's got the ribs in them, very thin. Uh, the new ones in 2025 look much different. They don't look anything like a Banjo Minnow. Now, look at this thing. It's dang near jumping out of my hand, Banjo Minnow.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  What's with the hole?

• 1:01:40Speaker 08

  I'm gonna buy some of these.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  Well, that's where the, uh, the nose jig goes. I think that's what they call it. What do, what do they call that thing? Uh, nose anchor. You put a nose anchor through there and then that's got a, a little piece where you can slide your hook through. And so your hook isn't even touching any of the soft plastic.

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  So same thing, today's price.

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  Well, we know that in 1994, uh, it was $29.95 for a 110-piece kit. But you guys are guessing the price of a 102-piece kit that Banjo Minnow is still selling. Wow. Phil, can we get a, can we get a, just me on the camera here, show these things? Look at that action. My goodness. Fish are genetically wired to eat these things. They just can't resist. Uh, the one fella from the infomercial said they should be illegal, but there's gonna be no fish left in North America. Here's what I'll do. Whoever wins today's game, I'll give you one of my banjo minnows and then I expect you to catch something on that.

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  You could probably catch the first fish ever that bit a banjo minnow in Alaska. You should take one of these to Alaska.

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  Oh, that would get, that would get eaten.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  What would you, what would you catch with this?

• 1:02:48Speaker 05

  Uh, quillback.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Please, I would be, I would be so pleased if you took one of these to Alaska and caught something.

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  If, if there was silvers like at the mouth of a creek, they might eat one, one of those things. Kelp, greenling would eat, a lot of stuff would eat it.

• 1:03:02Speaker 05

  If you drop that thing down on a shallow hump in like 40 feet of water, you'll have something instantly.

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  The problem is it's also gonna get bit off.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  Yes, you might get one fish, uh, to bite on this and then the, the lure is just shot. All right. Do you have your price?

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  I do.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  2025 110 piece kit.

• 1:03:21Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  102 piece kit. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Brody saying 39.95, Seth saying 59.95.

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  The correct answer is 59.99. Seth was four cents off.

• 1:03:39Speaker 05

  Dang.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  That's probably the closest we've ever had someone get to the correct answer.

• 1:03:44Speaker 05

  I'm gonna buy some.

• 1:03:45Speaker 03

  For the price is right, but I don't think you want the new ones. Those new ones just like any, they look like any swim bait at Bass Pro.

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  Little, uh, articulating cuts in there.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  That's right. I think so. All right. We're on to our final item for today. Just really quick, I want to throw out there that, uh, that Keith said three easy payments of 1995 and I think for accuracy and creativity, I think he, he deserves some flowers then. Yeah, please get your credit cards ready. They delivered that line twice in the infomercial. Make sure when you call, if you're gonna get the banjo minnow, you have your credit card in your hand. They don't have any time to waste.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Art Phil, third and final item, we are tied one to one.

• 1:04:26Speaker 07

  Our final item up for bid today is a whole salmon from Seattle's world famous Pike Place Fish Market.

• 1:04:31Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 1:04:32Speaker 07

  Known for their flying fish, they'll actually fly one right to your front door. This 12-pound wild-caught Chinook comes fresh out of the Pacific Ocean and is Pike Place's number one seller. You can choose to have it sent whole with the head and fins attached, or have their expert fishmongers turn it into filets and steaks for you.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  That's right, Phil, and they guarantee that if we order before noon today, it will arrive on Friday. All right, Seth and Brody?

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  You said 12 pounds, Phil?

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  12 pounds. What does it cost to get a whole king salmon shipped 700 miles to MeatEater HQ? So you're guessing the price of the fish as well as what it costs to ship it here. A 12-pound king salmon from the Pike Place Fish Market.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  This will determine who gets the banjo minnow between Seth and Brody.

• 1:05:22Speaker 05

  I don't, I never buy fish from a store, so I don't even have a clue.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  Phil, have you ever bought anything from Pike Place?

• 1:05:29Speaker 07

  I have not, no. Whenever I, I've only gone there a couple of times and I just try to get, get, just walk through as fast as possible. Don't make eye contact, just keep moving.

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  I like the busyness of it. That's like why I would want to be there is to like feel the hustle and bustle of Pike Place.

• 1:05:44Speaker 04

  Now, Phil, um, does it say, uh, no, it probably won't.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  What, what are you looking for?

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  Wild or hatchery raised?

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  It says wild-caught. They are adamant. It is wild-caught, comes out of the Pacific Ocean.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  Well, there's like wild kings and then there's the ones they raise up for a little while in hatcheries and then cut them loose.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  They say wild-caught. They don't say anything about where it was raised at though. So again, it's a 12-pound salmon shipped 700 miles to MeatEater HQ.

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  We caught some just like that in Alaska. The kids got them.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Well, we're going to find out what they're worth.

• 1:06:16Speaker 04

  Oh, I know. I have a pretty good idea.

• 1:06:18Speaker 03

  Are you ready?

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  Cause my kid figured it out last year.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Brody saying $420 and Seth saying $145.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  The correct answer is $502.

• 1:06:34Speaker 07

  Holy smokes.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  That's $432 for the fish and $70 for shipping. That comes out to a whopping $42 per pound.

• 1:06:44Speaker 07

  Geez, that's way more than I thought.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  Them salmon, they ain't cheap.

• 1:06:48Speaker 04

  Well, the king, because they got the highest, they're like highest fat content. Like, it wouldn't be that much for a silver.

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  Well done, Brody. Uh, only $80 off the correct answer again. $502. How'd the chat do, Phil?

• 1:07:02Speaker 07

  Chat, way. I mean, most of them were in like the $50 range on average. We had Mike at the, near the end coming with 420, just like, uh, just like Brody did.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Thanks for playing along and remember to help control the pet population. Have your pets spayed and neutered and you might just win yourself a banjo minnow. All right, that brings us to the end of this week's show. Phil, let's get some final feedback from the chat.

• 1:07:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, last call for questions. Uh, Greg says, Brody, what hat are you wearing?

• 1:07:29Speaker 04

  Uh, Magpul.

• 1:07:31Speaker 07

  Perfect. David asks, any wall tent recommendations for a December hunt in Pennsylvania?

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  Uh, Montana wall tent?

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  Montana canvas.

• 1:07:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, Montana canvas.

• 1:07:43Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:07:45Speaker 07

  Uh, back to, we were, we were doing Gear Talk. Spicy Nacho sent in this. Now, what are y'all thoughts on the non camo pants? He's always been a full camo guy and was wondering if you've ever had any issues being half a blob?

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  If you're sitting in a tree stand and, and trying to kill a whitetail buck at 11 yards, uh, I'd probably be wearing camo pants. If you are trying to kill a very smart turkey at 15 yards, probably wear camo pants. Besides that, it, it's not going to be the thing that causes you to not kill a critter.

• 1:08:15Speaker 04

  Camo waders or camo pants. I, like,

• 1:08:19Speaker 04

  I'm going to disagree slightly with Spencer on, on at least the turkey thing. Um, I've killed plenty of turkeys wearing solid tan or solid green pants. Um, if you're, if you're still, it's, I don't think it's as big of a deal. As long as you got camo uppers and you're just snug down to the ground tight.

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I've killed a lot of Merriam's in solid pants. I, if I was hunting Easterns back in Pennsylvania or somewhere where they're real pressured, I would go full camo for sure.

• 1:08:50Speaker 07

  Randall says, "Shout out Phil, shout out Radio Life crew. Hey, man. Thanks so much." Love you, Randall. Big fan.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Randall likes this show so much, we have to kick him out of the studio before we turn on the microphones. He was in here right up until the countdown clock started.

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  The studio is basically Randall's office.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, lately.

• 1:09:09Speaker 07

  Dalton got the King Ranch Hunt right on the money and has commented several times about how he's mad at me because I accused him of cheating.

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  Do we trust him?

• 1:09:18Speaker 07

  Not at all, no.

• 1:09:19Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:20Speaker 07

  No, he needs to come here, buy a ticket to Bozeman and present your case in person, and maybe I will hear it.

• 1:09:26Speaker 05

  He might do that, Phil, I'll say that.

• 1:09:29Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. No, just shoot me an Instagram DM.

• 1:09:34Speaker 07

  Let's see. This is another one of those general questions that usually don't play very well because it's sort of like, "I'm going to Colorado to hunt. Any tips?" But, you know, he's got some other stuff that's deep in here. Max says, "I'm at hour seven" of his 18-hour drive to Utah for a mule deer archery hunt. Any tips or suggestions for success? But he follows that up with, "Are there any previous meat eater podcasts that focus on mule hunting to add to my binge list?" I wish I could pull up some podcast episodes from the recesses of my brain, but I'm sure there are some if you search in whatever platform that you use for podcasting.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, go check out what was formerly Cutting the Distance.

• 1:10:16Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Remy Warren used to host that show, and I'm sure he had all sorts of good mule deer tips and tricks. Then Jason Phelps and Dirk, I'm sure they have some good mule deer tips as well. And that is now the In Pursuit channel with Rich Fronning. What do you got, Brody?

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  Oh, I was just gonna say, probably within the general, other than Cutting the Distance, like, probably not a lot of archery mule deer stuff that I can remember. Can you think of anything, Seth? If you want to watch Steve and Joe Rogan archery hunt mule deer, there's a good episode on that. But I can't think of anything.

• 1:10:52Speaker 05

  That's one thing I've never really done, is hunt mule deer with a bow. I've done it a couple of times in Montana.

• 1:10:58Speaker 04

  It'd be fun to hunt them up above a tree line, up real high this time of year.

• 1:11:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, that would be a wicked fun hunt.

• 1:11:04Speaker 03

  Let's do a couple more, Phil.

• 1:11:06Speaker 07

  Devin says, hey, what cartridge are you guys using this upcoming season? It's a pretty big question. Kind of depends on what you're going after.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  Seven millimeter PRC.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Same. That is probably what I will do 80% of my hunting with this year. And I have a gun tag in Illinois where for the first time I will be using a straight wall cartridge.

• 1:11:28Speaker 05

  Oh, nice.

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  And I think it'll be a 350 Legend. Still deciding.

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  Sweet.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  Brody?

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Uh, it depends on the hunt. Um, I'll be using a 6.5 PRC, which is a great one. Um, then maybe shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor a little bit that my kids will be using, but I might use that gun a little bit too.

• 1:11:48Speaker 03

  One more, Phil.

• 1:11:49Speaker 07

  Nate says, when Steve shows up in the office, does work grind to a halt? Or is that the only time anything gets done? I could see him producing either outcome. I'd say it depends on whether or not he breaks the harpoon out.

• 1:11:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Speaker 03

  Seth is the only one on the same floor as him. Well, I guess Phil as well. Do you notice when Steve's around?

• 1:12:06Speaker 07

  I personally have no idea when he's here and when he's not here.

• 1:12:09Speaker 04

  When Steve's, I'll give him credit. When Steve is here, he's like here for a reason and he's working on something.

• 1:12:14Speaker 07

  That's true.

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  I know. I like to try to sneak into his office and like bug him about stuff, like just talking about anything other than work. And he's usually like, what do you need? Like, I just want to talk fishing or something.

• 1:12:28Speaker 03

  All right, a few plugs before we get out of here. Uh, the Meat Eater Crew is hitting the road again this fall, visiting some of our favorite fanbases that will be playing games, giving away prizes and showing off how the Meat Eater Crew tailgates. Uh, that is the Meat Eater Tailgate Tour. It's returning. Uh, come join our tailgate, eat some food, hang out with the crew, uh, and we'll see you at, I think we have six stops. Uh, August 30th, Ohio State, September 6th, Missouri, September 13th, Texas, September 20th, Wisconsin, September 27th, Penn State, and October 4th, Notre Dame. There will be more details.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  Which one are you going to?

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Uh, I will be at the Wisconsin game against Maryland, September 20th. You boys, I assume Penn State?

• 1:13:13Speaker 05

  Yes, sir. We'll be there.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  More, uh, more details to come.

• 1:13:16Speaker 07

  Really quick, just because Mogor reminded me with his comment. He said, "Huge thanks for today's show. We crushed it like a pinata at a birthday party." It's, it's, this show premiered one year ago on August 22nd. Radio Live did. So, if you're still watching, thanks for, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. It's, this show is one of the highlights of my week. Thanks to Spencer for helping the show kind of find its voice and rhythm and every single crew member who's been a part of it. It's been a lot of fun.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  We're just hitting our stride. It's only gonna get better, Mogor and everyone else. And thanks to Mogor. Mogor, cause he's probably-

• 1:13:47Speaker 07

  I don't think he's missed a show.

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's like our number one fan. That's right. Alright, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. See you back here next week, same time and place. Bye now.

• 1:14:08Steven Rinella?

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