Josh Jacobs GreenBay Running Back: From being Homeless to NFL star, how sleeping in his car and growing up humble shaped his life, fatherhood, forgiveness and future of Packers, his take on Saquon, and shares Alabama stories of Nick Saban

“My Biggest Pivot? Being homeless. Experiencing that, growing up having to really be humble, having to sacrifice and look at things from a different point of view. Not feeling like I ever fit in, I always feel like I had a lot of time to look inward.” Josh Jacobs. In life, we often see the end result of success but never understand the story of what one endures to achieve it. Perseverance often makes the difference between success and failure, and this conversation is about a young man overcoming obstacles to find himself on an unlikely path that reveals his greatest gifts. While in Green Bay for the 2025 NFL Draft, Ryan, Channing and Fred sit with Packers' star Running Back, Josh Jacobs for an unfiltered and deep conversation about his journey from sleeping in cars to a feeling of never fitting in to becoming a first-round draft pick and a Pro Bowl player. Jacobs opens up about his challenging upbringing, how football became his escape, the mental battles and emotional turmoil he faced even after making it to the league. Forging a life-long close bond with his father who raised him and his siblings, Josh talks about the unconditional love and gratitude he has for his family and finding the ability to forgive his mother after opening up on the burdens of their relationship. As an underrated high school player, Josh's football talents took him to Alabama where Josh was one of the best backs in college despite being third on the depth chart, having to prove himself day in and day out. He shares his pivotal point in ball and how Nick Saban played an intricate role his football career pushing to the next level and how he learned growth and discipline through football. He shares the truth about contract negotiations, his thoughts on the running back position being devalued, his mindset after leaving the Raiders, and how he stays grounded in a world that constantly tests him. Josh reveals the pain he feels for his former teammate and close friend Henry Ruggs and how he hopes young people learn how one moment and one choice can alter life's direction. And of course the guys ask him about the talented roster in Green Bay as Josh raves about his quarterback Jordan Love, his head coach's leadership and what the team is working towards for the 2025 season. This is more than a sports story and far beyond football—it’s about resilience, growth, and finding purpose beyond the game. Tap in now for the full conversation and don't forget to subscribe and comment to share your thoughts on the show. Get a free trial at https://www.shipstation.com/pivot. Thanks to ShipStation for supporting this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 0:11Speaker 00

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• 0:30Channing Crowder?

  Come on by my pretty face. There we go.

• 0:32Ryan Clark?

  My man like, snap this whole man, let's go.

• 0:36Channing Crowder?

  Got to get the best looking one on there.

• 0:38Ryan Clark?

  You are not the best looking.

• 0:40Channing Crowder?

  Believe I am.

• 0:41Ryan Clark?

  You are not.

• 0:42Fred Taylor?

  You still running with that?

• 0:44Channing Crowder?

  I know it, it's been a fact for years.

• 0:46Ryan Clark?

  Bro, every time we see-

• 0:47Channing Crowder?

  You're the sexy, like you're the, you're the most sexually charged.

• 0:51Ryan Clark?

  Every time we see like the old pictures of you, you were ugly.

• 0:54Channing Crowder?

  No, I wasn't. I had bad teeth.

• 0:56Fred Taylor?

  You was gremlin like-

• 0:58Channing Crowder?

  I had bad teeth.

• 0:59Ryan Clark?

  He had a mouth like a gremlin.

• 1:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I had a little raccoon mouth.

• 1:03Ryan Clark?

  You good, you good whenever, Josh. It's like, don't even listen. Hey, don't listen to that dude, bro.

• 1:11Ryan Clark?

  It's good.

• 1:12Fred Taylor?

  Man, I wish you was over here, we can split the room and do a little Oklahoma drill with these two.

• 1:17Channing Crowder?

  Man, ain't no way I'm-

• 1:18Ryan Clark?

  I'm not doing Oklahoma with nobody.

• 1:20Fred Taylor?

  I mean, like in our prime.

• 1:22Ryan Clark?

  Oh, I don't want it then no more. I ain't got it.

• 1:25Channing Crowder?

  I'd have went low, I know that much.

• 1:27Ryan Clark?

  You wasn't going low.

• 1:29Channing Crowder?

  That big old stick, man.

• 1:31Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he got, he got leverage too.

• 1:33Channing Crowder?

  Oh my goodness gracious, gotta see him break some hammers.

• 1:56Ryan Clark?

  Welcome, Josh Jacobs, man. Welcome to the Pivot. This is Shannon Crowder, this is Fred Taylor, I'm Ryan Clark. Pivot fam, thank you for pivoting with us. Man, we're here at the 2025 NFL Draft. We're actually- In a Packer house.

• 2:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:09Ryan Clark?

  Some folks that just built the house because they love the Packers. Uh, so they got a party going on upstairs. Uh, Josh Jacobs is always welcome here, y'all know that. Josh, man, I'm gonna get right into it. First time seeing you was watching you play at Alabama. Uh, watching your poise and your interviews. You showed a maturity that was far beyond your age at the time in your last year in high school. Uh, then I got to read something about you, man. And you talked about sleeping in a car. And you said you didn't even recognize that you were sleeping in a car. You felt like you were going to bed and waking up. What is that like for someone that was your age dealing with that?

• 2:46Speaker 04

  Man, honestly, like, at that time, I'm, I'm the middle of five. So like, I didn't really understand really what I was going through at that time. And in that moment, I just felt like, you know, this was a typical day for me, uh, with my family. Um, and it was never like a dull moment or anything like that. I, I never really got to process it until I would say college. Like the first, like, month and a half in college, I slept on the floor. Like, I made like a pallet on the floor because I never had a bed. I couldn't get comfortable on the bed. Like, for some reason, like, I was trying to lay on the bed, I couldn't do it. So my, it, it took my roommate, uh, at the time, it was Irv Smith, um, Louisiana boy.

• 3:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 3:23Speaker 04

  He had, he had came in and was like, man, like, what's, what's going on? We, and that was the first time I ever, like, talked about it with somebody. I remember me and him got like really close after that. That was the first time I'm like, man, maybe how I grew up and like my experiences, maybe it wasn't normal. Like, for real.

• 3:40Ryan Clark?

  And, bro, in retrospect, how did that, how did that affect who you are now?

• 3:45Speaker 04

  I feel like I had to go through it. You know, I feel like, you know, I'm one of the people that I believe everything happens, you know, for a reason. And for me, I feel like I had to go through it because it taught me a lot. It taught me perspective, it taught me work ethic, um, it taught me not to judge people. You know, you, you never know people's circumstances and what they going through. So for me, I always try to like, look at things from different point of views and that's, that's what it's taught me.

• 4:09Fred Taylor?

  But what about one word I believe that you didn't mention was sacrifice?

• 4:12Speaker 04

  That.

• 4:13Fred Taylor?

  Your father made tremendous sacrifices for you guys, even, even though you didn't have as much, but he also made sacrifices. Speak to that, like, how, how did that shape your mindset?

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, I tell people like, you know, once I became a dad, I had my son National Signing Day, the same day I signed, February 3rd, my senior year of high school. It made me, I told people, I was like, "Man, if I could be half the man my dad was, I think I'd be alright." And just because it's been nights where I legit did not see him eat. I didn't even see him sleep, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, "How are you doing this by yourself with all of us? We in motels, we in a car, you know what I'm saying? We try to get somewhere where we can have breakfast in the morning and things like that, but like, I'm like, "How do you, you know what I'm saying, manage all of this by yourself?" And not really tell nobody, and not really ask nobody for help, and just man up and do it.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  And so for me, when I seen that, I'm like, "Man, if I could be this, then I know I'm gonna be alright as a dad." It taught me a lot.

• 5:13Channing Crowder?

  But like, explain that to us, cuz you're what age, you're going to school, you playing ball, sleeping in the car, like where's your stuff? Like where are you and your brothers and sisters, where y'all at?

• 5:23Speaker 04

  See, this was the crazy part about it is, so my parents had divorced when I was like 3rd, 4th grade. And then like 4th, 5th grade is when we kinda like transitioned into the homelessness. And we all lived with my mom at first, and then like we end up moving in with my dad. He end up getting hurt on the job, he was a welder. So like, he had like a cornea, some transplant, had something in the air, flew in his eye. So he was like disability too at the same time, you know what I'm saying? So like, it just made me have to learn life and have to learn like responsibilities at a super early age. And I never really like, like I said, man, shopping, everything, like learning how to cook, like things like that. Like, you had to learn super early.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  I thought it was just a normal life, and I never really understood it until like, you say you go to school, and you know you got that 3, we weren't in uniforms. I know I got 3 uniforms for the whole year, I know I got this 1 pair of shoes for the whole year. So I know I gotta make it work, you know what I'm saying? So I learned how to take care of my things and things like that, but like, man, it was definitely rough, for sure.

• 6:27Channing Crowder?

  What about when you are playing in Oklahoma? Think the final stats or something like over?

• 6:35Ryan Clark?

  5,500 yards rushing, over 55 touchdowns. And you looking at dudes who you know you're better than, right? Who you're outrushing by thousands of yards. And they getting all these offers and you aren't.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:49Ryan Clark?

  Because I would have to think, right, Josh? You knew, okay, pops can't pay for me to go to school. I don't have the means to do that. So football is going to take me there. But when you're doing everything you possibly can on the field and you aren't seeing it pay dividends in recruiting or scholarship offers, what was your mindset then?

• 7:09Speaker 04

  I remember I started getting into the other. I started getting into other things. And I remember it was like a point in my life where I was, I started seeing people like go to jail and like, and like die. And like, you know, things like that. And I'm like, is this really what I want to do? See, I was blessed enough to have the people that I looked up to, look at me and be like, bro, you destined for something bigger than this. And I, you know, that's the thing like, I could say I had a core group of people around me that believed in me before I believed in myself. You know, so for me, it was always different. And like, when it came to the not having scholarships, I was confused. I really didn't understand. In my junior year, in the first like four games, I had like 1,100, 1,200 yards. I'm like, I don't got no offers. I'm like, I'm like, you feel me? I'm leaving the state. My senior year, I'm leaving the state.

• 7:54Speaker 04

  I'm looking at, because every week I'm looking in the paper. I'm looking at everybody's numbers and I'm like, damn, I'm leaving everybody and I don't got no offers? I passed the ACT my sophomore year of high school. I'm like, so I'm like, well, I don't really know what it is. But, you know, God got a plan for everything, man. And I mean, he had to find a answer for sure.

• 8:12Fred Taylor?

  2022, you led the league in rushing, something I never did. And I can't even understand what that feels like. But I understand what it feels like to buy a home for one of my parents. You bought your father a house in 2020. Could you take us through that moment of gratitude? Like your mindset and like the buildup to that point?

• 8:33Speaker 04

  A lot of people don't know, my rookie year, I was living very modest because like I deferred my signing bonus. We was in California, we was in Oakland. So I tried to defer my signing bonus to get it, you know, in Vegas. You know what I'm saying? You're living more of that. So I'm like, I'm like, man, so that was my first like real major purchase. Um, and what happened to happen was I actually had a Super Bowl commercial with Kia. And they, they told, that was the first time I ever told my story for real, like on a national stage. And that we did it in Tulsa. So like, and, and I just happened to get paid more in that commercial than I did that whole year in football. So like, that next day, right after the commercial, I went in bottom house. I was already looking.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  I went in bottom house and the emotions, you know, the, his face, I still see his face like, it was just surreal for me. It was something I always, you know, said that you was gonna do, wanted to do. But it was also something to make him feel like, man, you sacrificed this for me. Like you would never have to worry about nothing ever again. You don't wanna work, you don't wanna like, the house, like this is your house and it's, it's gonna forever be good. You know, and that, that was my mindset.

• 9:42Fred Taylor?

  You sleeping on the bed or on the floor?

• 9:44Speaker 04

  I'm on the bed and now I can get on the floor, man.

• 9:48Ryan Clark?

  Gosh, I have a, I have a, a, a question that I think is, is a little different. And maybe you've answered it before. When we, right, when people from the neighborhoods we're from, the communicate, the communities we're from, it's always like, I gotta make sure I take care of moms. Right, when your family split, it was a different feeling and dynamic for you. How have you dealt with not having your mom in your life?

• 10:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:18Ryan Clark?

  At that such a young age?

• 10:19Speaker 04

  Man, I ain't gonna lie. It bothered me a lot, like, I got to a point in my life where about time, like I was a senior in high school. I'm like, bro, I don't even care no more. Like when it comes to like having a relationship and understanding and like, and don't get me wrong. My mom, like she came around a lot more my senior year, but like up from. Four, fifth grade to then, it was like, and it got to the point where like, I'll see her on my birthday, you know, like, things like that. She was never on, on drugs or anything like that. Um, but I just got to the point where I was like, I tired, I was getting tired of like, trying to have a relationship with somebody that didn't want to have a relationship with me. Or at least I felt that way. I remember like, my little brothers and stuff, he'd be like, they'd be waiting for outside for her to pick them up and like, she wouldn't come.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  And I used to be like, man, at least do right by them. They still care about this relationship with you. I think for a long time, I thought it didn't bother me. I felt like I, you know, went through it or whatever. But I remember probably like, four years ago, three or four years ago, like, in the NFL, I, I was like, I woke up one morning and I'm like, I sent her a long novel, a long, like, a long novel. And I was just basically telling her, I'm like, I forgive you. Like, I don't, I don't really know, you know, understand what you was thinking about and how you felt, you know, in that moment and what you was going through. And I didn't really understand it. And it took me being an adult to experience my own shit, to really understand, like, you know, shit happens for real. And, you know, you, the circumstances, like, I might not have been the right choice,

• 11:47Speaker 04

  but it might have been a choice that you felt was right at that moment. You feel me? So for me, once I told her that, I sat, I prayed, I cried, I sat down and I, and I talked to her. And I said that, and she called me crying and she was like, you don't understand how long I've been crying and like, hoping and praying for this conversation. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And then so after that, we was, we been locked in. Like, she, she in my, you know, my, my son's life. She's in, you know, all my siblings' lives. So like, it was like a complete, you know, 360 after that. Man, that's awesome, man.

• 12:18Channing Crowder?

  Like, you almost said you kind of had to be a father to your siblings. You talking about fifth grade, learning how to cook dinner.

• 12:27Speaker 04

  For real.

• 12:27Channing Crowder?

  And all of that stuff. Were you running?

• 12:31Channing Crowder?

  For money or were you running for passion?

• 12:34Speaker 04

  You know, that's a great question. I never really thought about it. I feel like, man, I feel like at that time, I still love football. I felt like it was the only space I was accepted in and it was the only space that I could really be who I am. And for me, that's when I was like, damn, like it wasn't about really being good. It was like, okay, I'm spending time with my friends. I'm going to my friends' houses. I'm, you know, like I'm, I'm playing good. I'm getting all of these accolades. We was winning. I'm like, man, like this is what feeling good feels like. So I think it initially, it definitely started off as just a pure love. I think when I got to high school, it started becoming more like, not like a job, but more like,

• 13:18Speaker 04

  yeah, this is something I can use to change my life. Like this is something that can be like really real for me. I always felt like I was good, but you know, I never really got the recognition. So I didn't really know how good I was, you know? So like I always like, that was the main reason why I went to Bama. It was really just to prove that I belonged to myself. You know, like the best stage, the number one school against some guys. You feel me? I was like, if I can make it here, then I know I'm gonna be good.

• 13:46Channing Crowder?

  And I say it all the time, I was playing for pure money. I was playing for money. Now they got NIL, so you can say this. They, I was getting paid every level I played at. So I was literally playing for money. And they took my second deal in the league for me to click off. When my rookie year, on the way to the games, I knew how much money I was making for that game. These motherfuckers give me 20 racks to tackle people? Oh, I'm gonna go out here and knock me somebody out. And then I got my second deal and then I was just playing ball, having a good time because I had that money put away.

• 14:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, you are upset.

• 14:19Channing Crowder?

  They called me a pocket watcher. Was it the 50 that you got?

• 14:25Channing Crowder?

  Did that change your approach? You know what I'm saying? Like when, when did, because you said it went to, you saw like this could be a career. This could be a life-changing

• 14:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:34Channing Crowder?

  career for me. When did it change back to, man, I'm gonna go out here and just show out?

• 14:39Speaker 04

  I would say, when I went to Bama, I went, first I went to school for business management pre-law. I never thought that the NFL was a reality for me. So like, I went to school and I'm like, I'm about to get a degree. You know what I'm saying? And then, the guys, the coaches and the guys on the team was like, "Bro, like, you really, you good." Like, I don't like, and I, I don't know why, I just didn't feel that way at that time. I wasn't getting, you know, the accolades and things like that. So like, when it was time for me to come out, I wasn't even thinking about coming out. I had to get, like, convinced by my coaches and like, former players, like, "Bro, everybody I'm talking to got you a first-round grade." And I'm like, "First-round grade? I'm the third back." Like, what we, like, what we talking about?

• 15:23Speaker 04

  I'm like, I'm like, "How?" So when it, when it got to that point, and then I started working, I would say, what changed my mind was, when I started believing in myself and I felt like I was good, I wanted to prove that I'm one of them ones. And that's like, my mom said every time, because I'd be seeing people getting, and I'd be like, "He not that good." Like, for real, like, and that's not on no hater, like, or nothing, but like, watching film, breaking it down, I'm like, "Come on, bro." You feel me? Like, it's not the same. So, for me, that was the biggest thing. I'm like, I gotta prove that, when this all said and done, from my time that I was playing, that I was one of them guys.

• 15:58Fred Taylor?

  And one of the measurables that, you know, you can't really account for is heart. Like, a lot of guys just, some guys have it and some guys don't. I've always thought you was a dog. And I believe you've done a great job overcoming all your, all your earlier challenges in life. But looking back, right?

• 16:15Speaker 04

  Yo.

• 16:15Fred Taylor?

  Because there gonna be some people out there watching this, as we got a lot of youth and high schoolers that watch our show. What type of advice would you give to, you know, someone that might be watching this in a similar situation that you were in? You know, trying to overcome those challenges and adversity?

• 16:33Speaker 04

  Man, first off, nobody, nobody can tell the future. So, you can only control the, the present. And what I've learned in life is, life is full of critical moments. And however you, whatever decision you make in the moment can alter your life forever. So for me, if I was to talk to a younger guy, I would just tell him, man, keep doing what you're doing. Keep your head down, work hard, work harder than you feel like is even necessary. And just be a good motherfucker, for real.

• 17:04Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 17:04Speaker 04

  And if you just do that, I feel like everything else gonna take care of itself, for real. And however it play out, you might not make it to the NFL, you might not make it to, you know, but regardless, I feel like you're gonna be blessed in your life. And I think that that's really the most important thing.

• 17:18Ryan Clark?

  Josh, I have a question, man. You, you're overlooked your entire time in high school and, what was it, Twitter, I think? Twitter, Twitter got you poppin', see what I'm saying? Somebody hit you up and was like, hey, man, put that junk on Twitter. But you get to, you say, okay, I want to go to Bama to test myself against the best.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:35Ryan Clark?

  Part of testing yourself against the best is being a guy who can lead the NFL in rushing, right? Being a guy that can come change the run game for the Green Bay Packers and being the third running back at his own college.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:49Ryan Clark?

  How difficult was it to stay, to stay strong or to continue believing in yourself?

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:56Ryan Clark?

  When you're like, man, they don't even trot me out there with the first team?

• 18:00Speaker 04

  The thing that kept me really like into it was, I remember my freshman year, I came into, I came into college at like 180, 185. So like compared to the guys we had, I was small. So like, I remember that I was running with the twos. And in the spring, you can't have the coaches out. So like, we was doing 707s, like player ran 707s, and I remember I was making plays. And it was like, who was this little kid with the fro? Like, we ain't never heard of this dude. Like, I was a no star until I got the Bama offer. You feel me? So they're like, we never heard of this dude. And then we get to camp and we get in the scrimmages. And I'm scoring on, the only person scoring on a first team defense was that year, all them guys damn near got drafted.

• 18:40Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 18:40Speaker 04

  I'm like, hmm, maybe I got something. Ruben Foster used to come up to me, he's like, man, I know we got a lot of backs, but like, you one of them ones.

• 18:48Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  And then my coach, Burton Burns, he was like, He used to always sit me down, and him and Miss Connie, his wife, and they'd be like, "Man, like, you different than a lot of people we've had." And it was like, "You special, believe in it." And he had me bought in on, you know, Bama backs typically wait their turn to play. And so for me, I was like, I don't, I didn't want nothing given to me. Everything that I wanted to do, I wanted to earn. I was always trying to be the fastest on the field, the first one in the locker room, whatever, the weight room, whatever, and leave my stamp to let you know that, like, it's undeniable, you gotta play me. After I got into with Saban, that Ole Miss game, I feel like all them emotions of not playing my junior year and the stuff,

• 19:32Speaker 04

  I'm like, "Man, like, my time ticking, like, I'm gonna have to figure it out." I feel like after that, everything else took off.

• 19:40Ryan Clark?

  What happened with you and Saban in the Ole Miss game?

• 19:43Speaker 04

  I scored a touchdown, because I played, but like, I don't think that, I think I've only got more than 15 carries, like, in one game, my whole college career.

• 19:52Ryan Clark?

  Oklahoma, you had 20 touchdowns?

• 19:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that was the only game, like, in my career that I got that amount of carries. But I was like, that Ole Miss game, I scored a touchdown, and I got a, I got a taunting penalty. Basically, me and Dua was going back and forth, I got a taunting penalty. So, typical Saban fashion, especially with something that's controllable, he cussed me out. So I'm like, "Ah, shit." Like, I eat it, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, "Yeah, he cussed me out, I gotta eat that, like, it's due." But then he, you know, a couple of drives went by, and he came back, and tried to cuss me out again, and I'm like, "Hold on." You know what I'm saying? So I get up, you know, Saban's short. So I'm like, "Bro, we'll be on." Like, so I'm mad, like, I'm like, you know, I'm on that for real with him.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  And so, it's right before halftime, so we're going to halftime, I take my pass off. I'm like, "Bro, I'm good, like, I'm done with this shit." Like, I'm finna figure it out, he transfer, whatever, figure it out. I talked to Coach Lox, and Lox was like, "Man, like," he's like, "What's going on?" Like, we started talking, he like, he said, "Man, I know, like, I had coaches used to come up to me and ask me, 'Why am I not playing?'" And that used to piss me off, I'm like, "Bro, I don't know, like, y'all control that." You feel me? Like, so, long story short, I come back out. They kicked the ball, I was kick returner. I took it like 70, 80 yards. Didn't even celebrate, I just stared him down the whole time. Ran into the sideline, staring him down the whole time. And then after that, man, we had, literally the next day, me and him, we had a meeting.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  We sat down and we had a real conversation. And then after that, they started making plays for me in the, you know, in the offense and things like that. And my career just started taking off.

• 21:32Ryan Clark?

  I've had to have those same conversations with him. He was my coach at LSU my last two years. And you learn, like, in the heat of it, he never, Coach Saban, he doesn't see your side.

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Facts.

• 21:43Ryan Clark?

  He only sees his side when it's in the middle of it. But then when you sit with him and you explain, alright, Coach, but this is how I feel. This is what I've seen. If you can be an adult, right? If you can be mature and express that, he normally has the understanding to fix it or to make adjustments if you are that good.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  Facts.

• 22:03Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, if he believes in you. Nah, if you trash, then you go and get much better.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  But the thing about him, though, is like, so many people walk on eggshells around him that anybody that's willing enough to have the balls to be a man enough to speak to him, that he respects you.

• 22:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  And the way that he treats you is totally different. Like, people were like, why y'all relationship was how it was? Like, he joke around with me and things. I'm like, because I talk to him for real. Like, I tell him when he trip it, like, you roll, like, you feel me?

• 22:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 22:32Speaker 04

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• 22:43Ryan Clark?

  Without a doubt.

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• 23:38Fred Taylor?

  It's hard to believe you were a zero star until they recruited you.

• 23:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:43Fred Taylor?

  What are your thoughts on the whole ranking system, though?

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Bro, I think that shit is terrible. Because like, obviously, I couldn't afford to go to camps.

• 23:51Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  So like, if anybody was in camps, that's where a lot of people get, you know, they were ratings and stuff. And I'm like, I can't spend $200 to go to Dallas just to get there and then another $200 to play. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it just wasn't, I couldn't do it. So I'm like, my tape gotta speak for herself. And it got to the point where they were sending out the news people and stuff to my games because they thought we was padding my stats. Like, it got to that point, and then the only game that I ever played on TV in high school, I had 500 yards in that game. So it was like, it was like nothing, you feel me? I'm like, I don't really understand it. So the rating stuff, it is what it is. I had a dude literally 10 minutes up the road from me, and he was five-star recruit. And I'm like, my numbers is better. Like, I don't get it, but it is what it is.

• 24:36Fred Taylor?

  Do you have a favorite Bama moment?

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Definitely Oklahoma, for sure, for sure. Like, now, on campus, like, football-wise, for sure. Like, Oklahoma game, playing the town, everybody from where I'm from was making bets against me. Everybody was like, he not gonna win. Like, a lot of people told me I was done for going there in the first place. They're like, you never gonna play. You feel me? So like, when I got that chance, I'm like, we playing Oklahoma? In Miami, my first time in Miami at that, I'm like, we spent the whole week out there. I'm like, yeah, bro. I'm like, yeah, I gotta, I gotta cut up. And it was just one of them games where it was so fun just to play. I think I was laughing the whole game. Like, it was one of them games where I felt like I could do no wrong.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  I felt like every time I touched the ball, even if I got tackled, I was close to like scoring. Like, it was just one of them games.

• 25:29Channing Crowder?

  And bro, you ain't never, because you said when Saban snapped, and I played for Saban in Miami, he'll cuss out anybody in the world, yeah.

• 25:35Speaker 04

  Facts.

• 25:36Channing Crowder?

  But before that, years before that, you being a backup, backup, you ain't never think about transferring?

• 25:41Speaker 04

  Nah, because like I said, I was going for school. Like, don't get me wrong, I was still doing all the things right. Like, I was still working my ass off, everything. I was doing all the little things right. But I never believed, we had players that complained about playing time and did like whole shit, like, go in there and be like, "Oh, you see he missed his block, didn't he?" I was like, "Bro, I would never be that. I just could never be that person. That's not me." So for me, I want it to happen organically. I want it to be undeniable. Like, when I stepped on that field, like, it's a reason why I'm playing. And I just try to make the best of every opportunity I have.

• 26:15Ryan Clark?

  Josh, you, Saquon, Derrick, y'all all switched teams this offseason. You know, we were in those conversations about the running back position not being valued how it should. Those are three of the best rushing attacks in football. And to me, it's no coincidence that it's three of the best backs in football, who have now become members of those teams. Do you feel like last year shows that the running back position should be of more value than they make it on paper?

• 26:48Speaker 04

  I mean, I definitely do. We touch the ball the second most on the offense, other than the quarterback. And people act like we just run the ball. We gotta block. Sometimes we gotta block DNs. I'm like, "I don't know why the [bleep] be blocking the DN." And then we gotta catch the ball and catch it at a good rate. I think everything comes full circle. I think that with these next group of guys, with the Bijans and the Jamirs and these, those sort of guys, I think that they're gonna help, you know, swing it around. But I do think that the three of us really made a statement. And I think that like, the way that we changed our teams and impacted our teams, that it's kind of just undeniable what it is. I hope it turn around. I hope that a lot of these younger guys, you know, get what they deserve. And that's definitely something that I know that everybody look for, so.

• 27:32Ryan Clark?

  Josh, when, you are one of the best running backs in ball, right? And you talked about the Georgia game, right? You said- Every run, it felt like I was a tackle away from breaking it. It felt like that was every game for Saquon Barkley. This year, man, as a peer, as someone who is seen on that level, how impressive was what Saquon was able to do in Philadelphia last year?

• 27:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, some of the, bro, some of the shit he was doing, I'm like, damn, like, I wouldn't try that shit, but I'm like, yeah, like, it was, it was nice. I ain't gonna lie, it was nice. But then I was looking too, like, I used to, bro, I'm telling you, I studied film for real. And I'm watching this line, I'm like, this line is amazing. I'm like, he damn near getting three, four yards without getting touched. And with his ability, it's like, bro, you can't give him that much. You know what I'm saying? Like, you gotta bottle him up early, you know what I'm saying? So I think he is literally in the perfect system for his style of game. And he's with a, a perfect group of guys, so I, shout outs to him, man, for sure.

• 28:31Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, it's crazy. Channing and I, we were talking about that in the car on the way over here. And not, not, taking nothing away from Saquon, I've always said he was my favorite guy. Even when he was in New York, right? One of my favorites. But to put him with those receivers, that quarterback with his running ability and that offensive line, on top of what he can already do, like, that's a cheat code. I don't know what the Giants were thinking. But yourself and, um, being out in Vegas, right? You got a, a dry heat, hot as hell, and then you got a transition out here. You know, so much football tradition, but it's cold as hell. What was that transition like for you?

• 29:08Speaker 04

  Honestly, man, I loved it because camp was, felt great. Camp was 70 the whole time. I'm like, damn, this love, like, I'm not in this 110, you know what I'm saying, degrees? But then, like, even when it got cold, it didn't really get cold till, like, after Halloween. It started getting a little bit cold. But I loved it just because, you know, we practicing it every day. So like, you get used to it after like the first like week and a half. And then like, we word it as like a badge of honor. Whenever other teams come in, we like, okay, we used to this, you know what I'm saying? You gotta play in this, you gotta match us in this. And then playing offense, I'm like, I love it because I know defenders don't want to touch me. I'm like, yeah, like, I know you, I know it's gonna hurt. I know it's gonna hurt when you, when you hit me. For me, I thought it was like the perfect combination.

• 29:52Speaker 06

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• 30:21Channing Crowder?

  Do schemes make backs? Is there something, is there like you watch Saquon or watch Derrick or just watch some stuff and be like, hey, Coach, we need to put this shit in?

• 30:30Speaker 04

  I say schemes make average backs. I think great backs can do whatever.

• 30:36Channing Crowder?

  I agree.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  I think great backs can do whatever. You put them in whatever system, they gonna make it better. They gonna figure it out. And that's just my opinion. That's why I say even when it comes to the market, you can't lump everybody in the same category. It's six to eight guys that you gotta put in a different category. And that's really just what it is.

• 30:54Ryan Clark?

  It takes a special talent to play on this level, to play at Alabama. And just listening to Fred talk about the transition, it made me think about Henry Ruggs. You know, an Alabama guy. I saw somewhere that he could be getting out within a year. I mean, you were there in Las Vegas. How difficult was that to deal with as a teammate and a friend to see someone have to go through what Henry was going through, which was in many ways self-inflicted?

• 31:24Speaker 04

  You see, I got goosebumps, bro. You brought that up. I still talk to Henry. So Henry still call me. We still like, you know, I'm still helping him out and all of them type of things, his wife and his daughter, like all of that, like we still, we still connected. I know his whole family. You know, he's from Alabama. He played with me at Bama. His momma and them taught me how to bowl. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's real, it's real love on a deeper level when it come to Ruggs. And the sad part about it was... We talked about going out that night. It wasn't no more crazy, we went to Topgolf. You feel me? Like, he literally told me, he was like, "Man, you coming?" I'm like, "Yeah, I'ma go." It got late, I'm like, "Man, I ain't, I'm not gonna step." And then I'm getting woken up till my lawyer's calling me, like,

• 32:09Speaker 04

  "Tell Rose we got him, we gonna represent him." And I'm like, "What you talking about?" And then I go on social media and I'm like, "Whoa." So, the first thing that happened to me, I'm like, "Bro, it ain't no way." So, I instantly get mad. And then when I started finding out more about the story, and like how, you know, they were supposed to be racing, I'm like, "Who was he with?" But he was with his family. So, I went to his house, I had some words with some people over there, and I'm just like, "Man, like, y'all gotta understand, bro, like, he the breadwinner of the family. He the one, he the one changing all of y'all life, everybody." You know what I'm saying? And then, not only that, he's a good kid. He's never, never been in trouble. I've never seen him do nothing crazy, like,

• 32:53Speaker 04

  he was just one of them guys that had a very, very unfortunate situation, and something happened, a decision that he made. You know, and that's what hurt me the most, 'cause I'm like, "Man, he ain't somebody that you would look at and be like, 'Bro, you deserve this to happen to you.'" You know, like, I'm like, "Man." Like, so, for me, it hurt a lot, but keeping up with him, man, and hearing him talk, it bring me spirits, 'cause he always positive. He's positive about everything, man. Like, he's training, they let him train and things like that. So, I'm like, "You come out, man, I don't know if you will get a chance." I've been talking to some people for him, like, they've been saying that a couple of teams was willing to give him a chance. I'm like, "When you get that chance, man, you better not ever, don't look back." Don't look back and prove, prove to yourself and prove to everybody that

• 33:37Speaker 04

  that one decision don't define you and who you are as a man. You know, and that was my biggest thing, for real, when it came to rugs.

• 33:44Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I said recently, we were talking about Kyron Lacy, who went to LSU, passed, and I was just saying like, We can't define everyone by their worst moment. And you know, I think it's beautiful, one, it shows the type of human you are, that you stay connected with him, you stay connected with his family. But also, man, on his end, two, if he does get that opportunity to show people that those decisions, or one decision, doesn't have to derail our entire life. And I think it's great for our viewers to hear you say that about him, because you know, the outside perception is all about what happened

• 34:20Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 34:20Ryan Clark?

  in that accident. It's all about the decision he made to drive it. So I appreciate you being so open and honest about that, man, so we can know more about him as well.

• 34:29Fred Taylor?

  Right, and even on top of that, RC, you talk about perception. Now, you, you, you hear people whispering about Vegas, the team out there, NFL having a team out there, and potential distractions. How was it really, you know, being out there?

• 34:42Speaker 04

  It was nothing like how people think. Like, the guys that was going out for real was the guys that wasn't playing, or the guys that was barely playing, which I didn't understand that, because it's sounding backwards to me.

• 34:53Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  But like, that's literally how it was. Like, you live in Vegas, you're never on the strip. Like, you rarely ever go. You go if you're taking your family to eat or something like that. Like, you never down there, you never really, really in the mix. You don't really have time to even be in the mix. And then, if you're a player, everybody know who you are. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's not like you can even do much anyways. So I always tell people, like, the people that struggled out there and like, with the lifestyle and stuff, those are decisions that they're making. That's literally our decisions that people make. Because I was out there for five years, and I probably only went out two or three times in five years out there. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you, you could definitely choose what you want. But the problem with Vegas is, it has everything that you

• 35:36Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir.

• 35:37Speaker 04

  It has everything that you can choose. For real, that's the problem. But I think, man, like, after the, the Henry situation, They started changing a lot of stuff with the franchise. Like they give, they give free Uber rides now. We got like, if you, if you a Raider player, you can go on the app, whatever, and put it in. They, they give you so much like tools to, to help. You see. Yeah, and to help people in that. So like now, if something happen now, it's nobody's fault but the person. And I, and I genuinely feel that way because they give you every tool and opportunity to make the right decisions. For sure.

• 36:11Channing Crowder?

  You talked about your OG growing up, how they saw something in you and really kept you out of trouble.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:16Channing Crowder?

  Cause you could, you could be that guy. Is that, is that what NFL teams need? Because I'm with you, bruh. I'm from Atlanta. I went to Miami and went crazy. They could've sent me anywhere, Sacramento, anywhere, and I would've had a party. I would've been them wilded out. But is that what is needed? Is it on the older players to grab those young dudes coming in? They got millions. Man, tighten up, bruh.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  I think it is. I mean, that's the, that's the role that I'm in, you know, that I feel like I play. But I feel like a lot of guys, and this is being, being a hundred percent honest, a lot of guys selfish. And a lot of guys scared that their young guy coming in gonna take his spot. You know what I'm saying? Like, a lot of guys don't got that confidence to believe in theyself. They're like, look, I can help you, and I can help you become the best version of you, and I'm still gonna be who I am. But that's the thing, like you say, a lot of these young guys, man, you got all this money in your pocket for the first time. You could literally go and do, buy anything that you want. Yep. Literally anything that you want. And especially if you come from a background like me where you had nothing, you gonna wanna experience everything. You know what I'm saying?

• 37:17Speaker 04

  At some point, so like, a vet that can help you and guide you and shape you and tell you what not to do and what, how not to be, or even how to go about being a pro. People don't know, like, college, they baby you through everything. You gotta be here, and you gotta be here, you gotta be here. And if you don't, it's consequences. But in the league, you don't gotta do nothing you don't wanna do. Yep. So you gotta figure it out. You gotta literally have a discipline to be like, okay, I'm gonna take care of my body, I'm gonna go work out, I'm gonna go do this, and I'm gonna go do that, and I'm gonna have to figure it out. But with a young guy, if you not getting shown that, and you not getting taught that, it's hard to figure it out. And sometimes, people wait till it's too late to figure it out. And you two or three years in, now they like, oh,

• 38:00Speaker 04

  he ain't did nothing, we about to get rid of him, he's just, and the whole time you a baller, but you, you don't understand, you know, so I think it's important that the veteran leadership has that role in every locker room, but not only that, the guys are willing to be honest and be open with these younger players coming in.

• 38:16Ryan Clark?

  You know, Josh, you, you like an OG here now, right? Like it, but the, the way the league works, you don't have to get to year 10.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 38:25Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? It's not for long, right? And so when you start to establish yourself as a leader and as a Pro Bowl player, you also want to win championships. You went to a school that's only about championships.

• 38:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 38:40Ryan Clark?

  With Jordan Love and Matt LaFleur, some of the young defensive players that you guys have, you guys lost in the playoffs to the Eagles. What needs to happen for the Green Bay Packers to be in the NFC Championship and a Super Bowl contender?

• 38:57Speaker 04

  Man, so watching that game, the Eagles game, and then watching them throughout the rest of the playoffs, I felt like we played them better than any other team. Like just, just looking at all my, so I was telling all the guys, I remember the text, I was like, man, we that close. Like I know y'all seeing this, like we there, but I think towards the end of the year, as a team, I think we need to build the stamina and, and the callus for mentally and physically. Cause towards the end of the year, a lot of guys were starting, we was banged up. Like if we would have won that game, we would have definitely got blew out that next game, because half of the team would, would have been out. You feel me? So like, I think that, and not only that, having a young team, we was the youngest team in the NFL. So having a young team, these guys get another year's worth of experience under their belt.

• 39:39Speaker 04

  They be able to come in and really step into their own and know the offense and know the defense enough to the point where you could put your own spin on it and really play, you know? And I think that's the thing that we kind of missing right now is a lot of guys, they're really good, really good players, but they teetering on the edge of actually playing and, and doing the things that they know they can do and wanting to do the right thing every time, you know? And I feel like whenever you play free, and once you play free within the offense or within the scheme, those are the best, best players in the NFL.

• 40:12Fred Taylor?

  Right. Yeah, just to piggyback on RC's question, Jordan, man, special talent. What, I wish I could share the, hold on, what, what makes him special?

• 40:21Speaker 04

  Bro, first off, The throws that this dude can make, I don't think people really understand it, bro. Like, I went against Pat Mahomes twice in my whole, my whole, like, you know, I've seen him do some shit I've never seen nobody do. And we're like, Jordan give me flashes of that. And I think for like, Jordan, I think when he just really gets comfortable and he settled out, because you know, he was battling a knee injury damn near the whole year. So you know, it's hard when you battling knee injury, you're a quarterback, you, you can't move as much as you need to and things like that. But I think when he gets comfortable and he understands his games and his strengths and then weaknesses, that he, he can take his game to the next level. I think that's the next step for him.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  Um, I think also, you get him some guys, you know, that's gonna also protect him. And, um, you know, catch the ball when it's time, he gonna be straight. And I think we got that group of guys. I think that, you know, we some experience and a couple of players away from, from being really special.

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• 41:49Channing Crowder?

  And bro, you went to Alabama with a crazy fan base. I say nasty fan base, I'm, I'm an SEC guy. But also now you in Green Bay. Them nasty, nasty human beings out there family now. But now you in Green Bay and we've been here for a couple of days. And I seen your jersey all over the place. Like, is it, is it the same? Is this like a college fan base in the NFL?

• 42:11Speaker 04

  That's the only way I can explain it. And you know, we the only team without an owner. So like the way that the fans buy into it, because a lot of them like part owners. So like they buy into it a little differently, you know what I'm saying? But like, not only that, it's not too many teams where you can go 20 blocks in any direction and you still gonna see Green Bay flags on every house. You know, it's not a lot of places where the stadium is the main attraction and the main source of income in the whole community. So like, everybody's either working for the Packers in some type of way, or you know, around it, involved in it, and they bought in. And it really do feel like a college town, for real.

• 42:46Ryan Clark?

  There's different schools that are known for certain things, right? Alabama, hell, y'all know for everything, every position, right? But like, when kids grew up around the time Patrick Peterson and Tyron Matthew were playing college ball, everybody wanted to wear 7 in Louisiana. Everybody wanted to play corner, right? That's what you wanted to do. You grew up at a time, bro, you got to watch Adrian Peterson.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 43:08Ryan Clark?

  Play at Oklahoma. How much did that play into you wanting to be a running back?

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Man, I knew, because like, when I first started playing football, I couldn't make the weight. You know, you got like weight classes. I couldn't make the weight, so I was on the defensive side. So I'm like, I like running the ball more. I don't like, you know, tackling and cool, but like, scoring them touchdowns, seeing everybody jump up and you know, and things like that. I'm like, yeah, that's what I wanted to do. And then seeing AP, crazy. Like especially in real life, like you watching this full time, you like, I've never seen nobody like that at that point in my life. And then my favorite running back was always LeDamon Thompson. So like, watching him play, I'm like, damn, these motherfuckers different, you know what I'm saying? And that's what really sold me on playing running back, for real.

• 43:57Fred Taylor?

  Speaking of Alabama running backs, you know, I gotta ask you this, right? I love my backs.

• 44:01Ryan Clark?

  There you go.

• 44:01Fred Taylor?

  The Alabama Mount Rushmore. Your Alabama Mount Rushmore, running backs.

• 44:08Speaker 04

  Who the wrestling leader, Shawn Alexander, I think the wrestling leader.

• 44:11Ryan Clark?

  Shawn Alexander.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  So you gotta put Shawn Alexander, Derrick Henry obviously in there. See, where it gets tricky is like... Do you put Trent? Do you put, you know, I would say Trent Richardson. You throw Trent Richardson in there. And I'll probably say Eddie Lacy, bro.

• 44:27Ryan Clark?

  Mark Ingram won the Heisman.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  I forgot about Mark. Definitely Mark. Definitely Mark as my four. Definitely Mark as my four.

• 44:34Fred Taylor?

  Najee up there too, right? Like, isn't he like top rusher?

• 44:37Speaker 04

  See, the reason why, the reason why I don't put none of the younger guys is because like, I feel like the game was different when they played.

• 44:43Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  And like the time, like, and they really created the, what we call Bama legacy. You know what I'm saying? So they the guys that I really would say.

• 44:51Fred Taylor?

  They used to say the Bama backs didn't do a lot in the league, which y'all have erased that theory. Yeah, y'all definitely buried that. But we always ask our guests their biggest pivot, right? In life. That's that one moment you can look back on and say, without this happening to me or for me, I wouldn't be who I am today.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Man, biggest pivot.

• 45:16Speaker 04

  Man, I would say probably, man, really being homeless, man. For real, honestly. Like, experiencing that and growing up and had to really be humble and had to really like sacrificing and, you know, like, look at things from a different point of view. Really like not feeling like I ever like fit in in places and sorts like that. I always had to feel like I had a lot of time to look inward. I would say that was probably the biggest moment. And not only that moment, probably, probably when I had a random dude from Texas, Coach G, hit me up and shared my highlights. And he literally ran it, like, it was so random.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  He's like, man, I was watching another kid and I ended up coming on to your page and I seen your huddle. And he's like, it's no way that you don't have no offers.

• 46:05Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  He said, man, I'mma help you. He's like, I normally, he's like, I normally, you know, get paid to do this. He said, I'mma help you. And literally within two weeks, I'm getting offers every day. People calling my phone every day. So I would say he definitely played probably the most, biggest role to me being here right now in this situation than anybody else.

• 46:25Ryan Clark?

  My last question is this. For a little bit of your rookie season, you were on the team with Antonio Bamba. As a, as a guy who comes from a very disciplined background of Alabama, when that is your first offseason, dog, what was it like the saga of AB, bro?

• 46:45Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna lie, so.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  It's a lot of different things. One, I'm not gonna lie. So first off, when he made that video, the Free Me, the Free Me video, I was sitting right next to him. So I didn't even know that like, cause he had like a camera crew dude with him. And I'm like, when I seen it on Instagram later, I went home, I was at his house. I seen on Instagram, I'm like, no way this shit blew up and they really let him go. I'm like, wow, like what's going on? But see, the thing that people don't understand about A.D. is A.D. is very smart. He is very smart. Like, and I think that a lot of things that he do is calculated. I think a lot of decisions he make might be wrong in that moment. I think he act out of emotions sometimes, but I do understand him and see him for who he is.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  But he will be one of them guys, man, he be in meetings, he on his phone. And he ain't even hiding that he on his phone either. He like on his phone, but then be the only person to go out there on the field and never mess up a play. And the hardest worker, the only person I can really compare him to is that work as hard as him is Max Crosby. I've never seen nobody work as hard as A.D. on the field. He gonna run a hundred yards, come back down and line it up again. I ain't like the way you threw it. Run it again. And then he gonna come back to the ball, he gonna finish every time. He gonna be the hardest worker on the field. So like, I got to see different sides of him. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, if he, the work ethic and the way that he put the love and the joy that he put into the game, I feel like if he could just figure that out in everything that he do,

• 48:19Speaker 04

  he'd be really successful in life for real. And I mean, he is successful in life. It was definitely a saga for sure. It was definitely a saga.

• 48:27Ryan Clark?

  Man, I appreciate you, bro. We've been trying to get this done for a long time, man. Best of luck to you first, but also to your team, dawg. I know what it's like to want to be the best you can be, but also want to lead your team to success, man. So we appreciate your time.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Nah, appreciate having you, man.

• 48:44Ryan Clark?

  A.B. funny as hell.

• 48:46Fred Taylor?

  That's the thing that hurt us the most, bro. Cause when A.B. came out of college, he trained down south and you saw the grind. You saw the special stuff, man. It was just crazy, man.

• 49:25Speaker 06

  Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time.

• 49:36Speaker 00

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