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• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

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• 0:51Hannah Berner?

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• 1:35Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Like so many people have my location.

• 1:43Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:47Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend like doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're, you're calling the FBI.

• 1:52Hannah Berner?

  Yep. Yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. And even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:09Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So, once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:17Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:21Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:26Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:46Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly, women deserve.

• 2:51Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 2:57Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:06Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:09Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:12Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You can check out the full terms in the app.

• 3:25Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:26Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:47Hannah Berner?

  Hello, my gremlin lil' gigglers.

• 3:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I just...

• 3:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you ever spacing out and then all of a sudden, like you were just talking and I was like really in deep thought about something else and I forgot that we were doing the podcast?

• 4:02Hannah Berner?

  Also, we were two seconds into the pod and you've lost focus.

• 4:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, because when we get on the phone prior and do other things, then I'm, I like forget.

• 4:12Hannah Berner?

  You're like humble bragging that we like did a little bit of admin. Oh, what kind of ASMR pod is this?

• 4:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Canada Dry. Shout out to Canada.

• 4:24Hannah Berner?

  Is your tummy okay?

• 4:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, one of my things for 2026 is like

• 4:30Hannah Berner?

  Drinking soda.

• 4:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Is try, I love soda. Like I love all, everything about soda, but Coca-Cola specifically. It's really bad for you. It's so bad.

• 4:42Hannah Berner?

  See, I brought this up to a family member during the holidays, as you do. You're just like, what's the most insane thing I could say to my family member?

• 4:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you go home for the holidays if there was not a soda discussion at some point?

• 4:56Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, and so we were talking about, so, oh, Coke Zero, you have Coke Zero. So at one point I said to someone who's fully addicted to drink and die Coke and I, I decided to make the, the obvious statement. I go, I don't know if that's good for you.

• 5:10Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, how can I prove I'm better than people in a room full of people?

• 5:15Hannah Berner?

  But he actually made the best point. Actually, it was Des.

• 5:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I was just gonna say, are you talking about your husband? You're like, I'm at a family gathering.

• 5:24Hannah Berner?

  I try to protect him and I just can't. Like, I can't. So does his thing is Diet Coke and like, that's fine. I let him do his thing, but it was something happened and you know, we'd been spending too much time together. I said, you know, if you keep drinking that, you're gonna die. You're gonna die. And you're already about to die. I only have like 15 years left. So like you're just speeding the, speeding the process up. And he was like,

• 5:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Give the man one thing. Let him have one thing.

• 5:47Hannah Berner?

  I know, but then he kind of like outsmarted me because he was like, oh, if Diet Coke was so bad for you, people would be dropping dead left and right. And I was like, okay, kind of a good point. I mean, not that Americans are particularly healthy, but like if Diet Coke really was killing people, like the sole purpose was Diet Coke, like people would be dropping like flies.

• 6:09Paige DeSorbo?

  So when did your Diet Coke campaign come out?

• 6:13Hannah Berner?

  The Diet Coke people are like, I think she's, I think she's promoting it. I don't know if the angle was the best play.

• 6:19Paige DeSorbo?

  The gigglers are like Hannah's changed, she stands for nothing. She's a sellout.

• 6:30Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's so good. Once I started, I mean, no, it's the same thing as like watching a documentary about McDonald's. I'm like, I don't give a fuck, but like

• 6:42Paige DeSorbo?

  with Diet Coke, like when you, ever you see those videos of it like taking rust off a car? I'm like, okay, I don't need to have it in my body, but I love it so much. But anyway, so I'm trying to drink like ginger ale and like poppies and I'm trying to just not drink a Diet Coke every day.

• 7:06Hannah Berner?

  I feel like New Year's is weird for you because I feel like every week you have a resolution.

• 7:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like this all year round. I mean, my new thing is.

• 7:14Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you're like, you guys are now trying to think of random shit to improve on? That's all I do. You love a list of like, just having a.

• 7:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I love self-improvement.

• 7:26Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, but I think that self-improvement is toxic. I said it.

• 7:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 7:30Hannah Berner?

  Sorry, I'm feeling sassy today.

• 7:31Paige DeSorbo?

  You want to know what? I can see that side. This is why we're friends. We have healthy debates, healthy discussions.

• 7:38Hannah Berner?

  Yes, we do, because we've never agreed once.

• 7:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I can see that side, but one of my pet peeves is like wasted potential. Like if I see someone and I'm like, oh my God, if you just listened to me.

• 7:59Hannah Berner?

  Are you talking about me?

• 8:00Paige DeSorbo?

  If you just listened to me, your whole life would be different. You'd be so much better. So I try and be self-aware and take my own advice and I'm like, wow, my life would be so much better if I just cut this out, or if I did this, or if I did that. So, but yes, to your point, sometimes I can get too in the weeds.

• 8:20Hannah Berner?

  Well, the reason we're both best friends is because I also hate when people don't fulfill their potential. It's my biggest fucking pet peeve, but I go about it a different way.

• 8:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Why do we hate that so much?

• 8:30Hannah Berner?

  Because I think we're millennials who were like, I think it's a millennial thing to be like, be the greatest you could be. Like we like were raised on Mulan. You have to save China.

• 8:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Be the great, but what is wrong with wanting to be the greatest you can be?

• 8:47Hannah Berner?

  Well, because sometimes it can hinder you. Like, I know that I put a lot of pressure on myself sometimes, and you as well, to the point that we are crippled.

• 8:56Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I mean, I want to talk. I'm like, I'm medicated. Every, all my friends, everyone I know is on ZOLO.

• 9:03Hannah Berner?

  I don't trust a friend who's not medicated. I'm like, you're raw dogging? She can't be trusted. I don't feel peace around her.

• 9:10Paige DeSorbo?

  When Sierra came home for Thanksgiving, the biggest takeaway from my, from my time spent with my very close friend was that she wanted me to be on more drugs. She was like, I'm-

• 9:23Hannah Berner?

  I've seen what I need to see. We need to up a dose. And she's a nurse. Like, that's a legit-

• 9:28Paige DeSorbo?

  She was like, I need doses upped with you.

• 9:31Hannah Berner?

  That's a doctor's opinion. Also, shout out to when I first met Sierra. I told her, I said, "Welcome to reality TV. Make sure you have an astrologer, a psychic, and Prozac on call." And she laughed. And I said, "That's so funny that you think I'm kidding with you."

• 9:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Check back in today.

• 9:48Hannah Berner?

  Now she's sending me psychics.

• 9:52Hannah Berner?

  This bitch is sending me astrologists, actually. But what I was gonna say, in terms of fulfilling your potential-

• 9:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I'm like, where do we start?

• 10:00Hannah Berner?

  If you get too in the weeds of obsessing about getting better, and you look at too much external things, sometimes you forget it's right here. You, it's right here. You actually have it. The happiness, it's, it's you. It's you refine, finding yourself again. And it's not through all these external things, even though I know you love a laser.

• 10:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you know what it is?

• 10:24Hannah Berner?

  You know, if there's not a laser involved, I'm not interested.

• 10:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I put a lot of pressure on myself too, but at my literal ripe age of 33, that voice in my head, though, is just my mom. You could be better. You could be doing more.

• 10:40Paige DeSorbo?

  And she doesn't even, she's not even like, like, that's my own. That's my own thing to work out.

• 10:47Hannah Berner?

  From like one thing she probably did, said when you were like nine.

• 10:50Paige DeSorbo?

  No, but I think it is like when I do half ass something, I do have my mom being like, you, you know, you could have done it better in my head. And I'm, that version is always right.

• 11:00Hannah Berner?

  Um, since we're getting really deep already, I'm gonna say one more thing, mental health moment. Do you know that there's, the people that I'm most jealous of are people who, um, they don't need to be in their arena, like they don't need to perform, perform for people and performing comes in all shapes and forms. I'm not just talking comedy, but like they actually just enjoy the world's, they just enjoy life as it is. They just, they consume stuff, they, they have hobbies and, and that's all they want and that's all they need. And they're the only fucking fulfilled people in this planet, I swear to God.

• 11:35Paige DeSorbo?

  I've met one person like that.

• 11:38Hannah Berner?

  Who?

• 11:38Paige DeSorbo?

  I've met one person like that. These types of people also simultaneously don't have anxiety. Like.

• 11:47Hannah Berner?

  I, I think it's non-neurodivergent people.

• 11:50Paige DeSorbo?

  The only person I know like this is my brother. I have, like my brother genuinely, I don't think I've ever seen him get upset about anything. Like literally anything.

• 12:03Hannah Berner?

  Some people say he should, some people say he should.

• 12:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Some people would say he's asleep, so that's why he's not paying attention. He's actually asleep and he wasn't listening.

• 12:14Hannah Berner?

  For once, I do say whenever I see a brother meme, I think of Gary.

• 12:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, everyone should think of Gary. But he genuinely never has anxiety about anything. And I'm like, what is that life like?

• 12:27Hannah Berner?

  That was like, when my brother, he doesn't, they don't define anxiety, my brother would be like, I just feel really weird today.

• 12:35Hannah Berner?

  I'm like, yeah, you're getting married. You're like a little. He's like, there's just, I think I have this, like, something's on my stomach.

• 12:42Paige DeSorbo?

  That's a feeling. F E E L I N G.

• 12:47Hannah Berner?

  Can I have another hot take?

• 12:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 12:49Hannah Berner?

  Have you seen the fuck you trend on TikTok?

• 12:53Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 12:53Hannah Berner?

  It's basically girls, they all say fuck you to the camera and everyone's like, who said it best? And I don't know, I think it's happening in California.

• 13:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 13:02Hannah Berner?

  And like, the girls are all perfect, like, girls have never done anything wrong ever. However.

• 13:07Paige DeSorbo?

  This has not come across my desk. I'm.

• 13:09Hannah Berner?

  It's not hitting, like, a New York fuck you. Cause the girls are all like, fuck you, fuck you.

• 13:16Paige DeSorbo?

  It's a, like, it's a challenge with your own friends. Like, it's multiple people in the video.

• 13:20Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, like, who says the best fuck you?

• 13:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, got it.

• 13:23Hannah Berner?

  Now, you earlier were joking and said fuck you and I said, that's, that's how you say fuck you?

• 13:31Hannah Berner?

  I don't know, I don't know what it is culturally, but I want to make sure the gigglers, if they ever find themselves in this position, say it the right way. You can't be in a fight and then suddenly drop a mid fuck you.

• 13:40Paige DeSorbo?

  You did immediately take pen to paper when I delivered that fuck you. You're like, let me write this down.

• 13:47Hannah Berner?

  No, the way I like to do it, I'm gonna put it on, I'm putting it on. Now, by the way, I think I've rarely said fuck you, maybe like, once in like a rage road, raid, road rage incident when I was in the backseat and just feeling frisky.

• 13:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, there's so many different situations. You're not, I'm, when I say fuck you, 98% of the time, I'm not mad.

• 14:06Hannah Berner?

  It's to my, or it's to myself.

• 14:08Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm not even, I'm happy.

• 14:10Hannah Berner?

  I know we did reality TV, I didn't say fuck you on reality TV. You did.

• 14:18Hannah Berner?

  But like, you did it well, like, you did it justice. I just, I'm not a big fuck you person, cause I feel, wait.

• 14:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you're not a big, you don't swear in general. Like, you rarely say, like, fucking bitch asshole.

• 14:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Where I, which is so bad because my mom doesn't swear at all, but my dad, like, I mean.

• 14:41Hannah Berner?

  And that's why I'm Kim's favorite.

• 14:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, it is.

• 14:43Hannah Berner?

  Cause she knows I'm a good influence on you. That's why Kim, like, she gets it. Um, can you give me your best fuck you?

• 14:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I have to get, like.

• 14:57Hannah Berner?

  Are you crying?

• 15:01Paige DeSorbo?

  You have to have heart, okay? You have to really think of something in your head and just be like, fuck you. Like, there has to be an emphasis of like, why don't you go fuck yourself?

• 15:12Hannah Berner?

  Oh, it's so good. You're so good at it.

• 15:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I can't believe I could tell. I threw that out at LaGuardia two weeks ago.

• 15:21Hannah Berner?

  Now, not to be, you know, obsessed with technique, however, you notice a lot of people say fuck you. They go a little high. That's wrong. You saw Paige went side to side. She said, fuck you. Fuck you. Okay. And the way I like to do it is I like to emphasize the "for", because you don't have to say "for". "For" is weak. You have to go, fuck you. Fuck, fuck you.

• 15:43Paige DeSorbo?

  You do put an emphasis on the "f" you.

• 15:48Hannah Berner?

  Because these girls are like, fuck you. Fuck, fuck you.

• 15:51Paige DeSorbo?

  You gotta put your teeth to your lips. They have to touch. Teeth to lips. Fuck. You need a good "f".

• 16:00Hannah Berner?

  Fuck you.

• 16:01Paige DeSorbo?

  That was real. That's important.

• 16:03Hannah Berner?

  Fuck you. Oh, that was actually, I don't like it so loud. I want you to actually go loud then soft. Ready? Fuck you.

• 16:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Fuck you. I gotta stop. My neighbors are gonna be like, is everything okay?

• 16:15Hannah Berner?

  You guys, this is female rage. I feel like I just had three months of therapy.

• 16:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, speaking of female rage.

• 16:31Paige DeSorbo?

  So many things. Where do we even start? Where do we even start? I had the most 2016 day. And like, so last night, I'm like, okay, I have to get up early tomorrow. I have to go, I have a Daphne meeting all day. I'm gonna be like at an office from like 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

• 16:51Hannah Berner?

  By the way, you're in charge. You could have moved it to 10. Talk to the boss. You're complaining about when you chose to start the meeting.

• 17:03Paige DeSorbo?

  So Sunday night, I'm like, I'm gonna shower, I'm gonna pick out my outfit for the next day at the office. Like, I'm so excited, I'm gonna look so cute. Like, I air dried my hair, so I'm gonna curl it in the morning.

• 17:14Hannah Berner?

  Well, you're so cute, I could cry.

• 17:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Set my alarm for like 7 a.m., I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna do my ice roll, my lymphatic, like, I'm gonna do all my morning stuff. And like, so excited to just like be a girl in the morning, so excited for it.

• 17:30Hannah Berner?

  Life is what it is.

• 17:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I wake up promptly at 5 a.m., okay? Now, look, I am no stranger to a vaginal issue.

• 17:42Paige DeSorbo?

  But I'm a UTI girl. That's what I know, it's what I can deal with. I wake up with a raging yeast infection.

• 17:52Hannah Berner?

  I feel like your vagina is just like, can I have a day? Like, your vagina is so over your shit. We're all over it. My DMs are just full of stuff about your vagina.

• 18:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Vagina is the TikTok sound where it's like, I don't give a rat's damn.

• 18:11Hannah Berner?

  Why are you so good at that accent?

• 18:15Paige DeSorbo?

  I spent a lot of time in the South. Anyway, so, what was I saying?

• 18:21Hannah Berner?

  You're saying you woke up with a yeast infection.

• 18:23Paige DeSorbo?

  So I wake up with a yeast infection, and I'm like, I, like, I have no idea how to tackle this. Like, this is, this is not my jurisdiction.

• 18:31Hannah Berner?

  I'm in a pickle.

• 18:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm a UTI girl.

• 18:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, I have no idea. And I'm like, I have to get up in like two hours. Like, this is so annoying. So I like lay back in bed, I'm like, I'm like trying to figure out, like, do I, I don't have any monistat, cuz I'm like, I don't have anything.

• 18:48Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you're cooking bread in your, between your legs.

• 18:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I have to wait until any store opens to like, or get a monistat. So I like, wait till like 7 a.m., get a monistat, get a yogurt.

• 19:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Cause I'm like, I don't freaking know.

• 19:05Paige DeSorbo?

  So then by that time, like I'm awake, like I couldn't go back to sleep. Like I'm awake.

• 19:08Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 19:09Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm like, fuck it. Like I can't do my makeup. I'm not curling my hair. Like fuck this outfit. Like I have it. It felt so 2016 Paige. Like I have to go to work in the morning and I have to be like corporate. And my biggest takeaway from the situation was as a UTI girl, I'm so much stronger than the yeast infection girls. I'm sorry. What you guys are dealing with is peanuts. Literal, I would take a yeast infection every day of my life for the rest of my life than ever get a UTI again.

• 19:49Hannah Berner?

  Can you explain?

• 19:50Paige DeSorbo?

  First of all, um, a yeast infection, you literally can order something over the counter from CVS immediately. And then, and all you need is an ice pack. You're good as new. I did a whole, I put in a whole full work day today. If that was a UTI, it would have fully taken me out for like the whole day.

• 20:09Hannah Berner?

  Oh my God. So you're asking the universe to send you yeast infections instead of, things are going well.

• 20:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Instead of UTIs. And rebranding, get with it.

• 20:20Hannah Berner?

  And next time you guys have a yeast infection and you're being a little bitch about it, say at least.

• 20:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Literally suck it up. Suck it up.

• 20:28Hannah Berner?

  Cause Paige doesn't feel bad for you.

• 20:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Child's play. Truly.

• 20:32Hannah Berner?

  I just feel like a yeast infection needs to be rebranded. It's like, there's no way to nicely or like glamorously have a yeast infection. UTI, I feel like sounds like science. Like I'm like, I have a UTI.

• 20:44Paige DeSorbo?

  UTI is science, yeah.

• 20:45Hannah Berner?

  It's a UF- UFO.

• 20:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, do you want to know what it is? Cause I feel like as, we are of the generation where like as children, when boys talked about things that happened to girls, it was immediately deemed as like gross. Like I feel like I remember the first time I heard about like a yeast infection. It was because like a guy fingered a girl and she had a yeast infection. Like shut the fuck up.

• 21:06Hannah Berner?

  Shut up.

• 21:07Paige DeSorbo?

  You dweeb. Literally. And so I feel like we're the generation that changes like the stigma around like our vaginas.

• 21:15Hannah Berner?

  I do also feel like you are so aware of your vagina. Like sometimes I forget that she's there. I truly forget when she's there. Like especially if I've been traveling, I haven't had sex in a while. And next thing you know, I'm like, oh.

• 21:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Time to wake up babe.

• 21:30Paige DeSorbo?

  I could pick mine out of a lineup. There she is. There she is. I've put her through some shit, but she's okay.

• 21:40Paige DeSorbo?

  She's okay. She's strong. She is strong.

• 21:44Paige DeSorbo?

  She has heart and character.

• 21:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, autumn in New York is the season where we can finally start dressing again. Every single thing is an excuse to put on a look. Going to work, outfit. Leading a meeting, outfit. Getting drinks with your friends, obviously outfit. And as we all know, every great outfit starts from the feet up. That is why I'm currently obsessed with alleys from Sam Edelman. They're ballet flat, but a little something extra for fall. A contrasting velvet cap toe, I have them in this gorgeous azure blue, which is like a dusty muted blue that somehow goes with everything, even Daphne's eyes. They're so cute and I'm already envisioning my next outfit. Straight leg jeans, an oversized blazer and a little shoulder bag. Very, I just threw this on when we all know I absolutely did not.

• 22:29Paige DeSorbo?

  And Hannah is loving hers too. She has the Michaela, which is the Sam Edelman's take on a Mary Jane. And this season it comes in the chicest leopard. So gorge, so easy and exactly the kind of shoe that makes an otherwise basic outfit look like you actually tried. And there's so much more coming from Sam Edelman this fall beyond these two. Like the new Teigan and Tallulah pumps, plus ready to wear handbags, fragrances and even a new men's collection. So basically you can make sure both you and your man are looking good for date night. Because we're not doing all that getting dressed just to let him show up in a t-shirt. Head to samedelman.com and get 15% off with code giggly15. This episode is sponsored by the new Hershey's Creme Bars in Salted Caramel and Afegato.

• 23:12Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:54Paige DeSorbo?

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• 25:20Paige DeSorbo?

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• 25:52Hannah Berner?

  Um, I don't know if I told you guys, I might've told you, but I, we love telling you what happens behind the scenes. And I went on, I did Kelly Clarkson.

• 26:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 26:01Hannah Berner?

  I did Kelly Clarkson, like a couple of weeks ago and everything was going great. Get my period, like backstage. And by the way backstage of a talk show is so

• 26:12Paige DeSorbo?

  If any guy listened to our podcast for the first time ever, just today,

• 26:18Paige DeSorbo?

  they'd be like, all they do is talk about their vagina.

• 26:21Hannah Berner?

  Their pussies, that's all they talk about. This old girl podcast was talking about their pussies, how much they think men are dumb and they make these voices for men. It doesn't even make sense. So behind, when you, okay, long story short, when you're backstage, that you don't have, in your green room, you don't have a bathroom.

• 26:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 26:40Hannah Berner?

  It's like go into a hallway. And by the way, I'm with like people doing glam. I'm with a photographer. I'm with a stylist. I'm with a manager. So I have to subtly, subtly be like, oh, I'm gonna go check on myself. And then you know, and it's like, it started to flow and I had like diarrhea. Um, cuz of.

• 27:00Paige DeSorbo?

  I love that you like whispered.

• 27:01Hannah Berner?

  Cuz of the period.

• 27:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Nope, no, we're gonna hear it. It's a podcast.

• 27:05Hannah Berner?

  But I didn't want to tell, like, I was like, yeah, I'm on my period, but you don't want to be like, I'm on my period with diarrhea. So anyway, I get back and the girl.

• 27:12Paige DeSorbo?

  One is enough.

• 27:14Hannah Berner?

  The poor stylist. She had to tuck in my shirt and didn't want it to like untuck. So she starts taking these pins and pinning my skirt to my top. In my head, I know I'm about to go to the bathroom 400 more times before I get on, on stage or whatever they call it. So I keep having to undo the, it was a nightmare. And then in the bathroom, I guess it was earlier that day or later that day. Something happened and I used a cardboard tampon, which.

• 27:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, you told me this story.

• 27:45Hannah Berner?

  I told you, well, I also posted about it. Did we talk about cardboard tampons?

• 27:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I feel like we did.

• 27:52Hannah Berner?

  Well, I just want to say, anyone using cardboard tampons, stay strong. Cause um, that's how true characters build.

• 27:58Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it really is. I don't use tampons anymore.

• 28:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you

• 28:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Not a thing that I

• 28:04Hannah Berner?

  Do the rosary.

• 28:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Not a thing that I do, not a thing that I care about. Um, what I do care about is, actually I have a lot of hot takes today, not hot takes. I just have, I have pop culture takes.

• 28:19Hannah Berner?

  Let's get into the pop culture.

• 28:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I've literally been foaming at the mouth.

• 28:23Hannah Berner?

  Pussy to pop culture, let's go. Give it to me.

• 28:28Paige DeSorbo?

  If you are someone on the internet that's saying a negative thing towards Alex Earl for going after Tom Brady, but you have not said a negative thing about Tom Brady going after Alex Earl, I don't align with you. I have nothing in common with you.

• 28:50Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I didn't see any, I didn't see anything about, I didn't see any of this.

• 28:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Because Tom Brady and Alex Earl were spotted together in St. Bart's over New Year's, people were like up in her comments and she's a girl, she's Gen Z. So like they're posting TikToks every single day, real time, like her true, true fans know what she's doing every single day.

• 29:11Hannah Berner?

  Yep.

• 29:12Paige DeSorbo?

  And so for her to not post, that's like unusual for them.

• 29:16Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 29:17Paige DeSorbo?

  So she, when she posted and like the pictures were coming out, people were in her comments being like, you're like a, uh, uh, what's it called? Not a clout chaser, but like a clout chaser, you're, no, you're a social climber and blah, blah, blah, and all this stuff. Like you just broke up with your boyfriend, like blah, blah, blah. Obviously Alex is the one that broke up with Braxton.

• 29:42Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 29:42Paige DeSorbo?

  So she wasn't injured. She didn't need time to heal. Like she could go get a new, like I don't get that whole, I do not get the whole narrative of people being like, you didn't wait long enough. I wasn't injured. I literally do not have an injury. I did not need healing time. I was good to go. Like

• 30:01Hannah Berner?

  Also she did not see that man for six months. She was busy dancing.

• 30:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Obviously they had broken up way before then, whatever.

• 30:08Hannah Berner?

  They may have, and also in general, I'm not speaking for anyone, but especially me, by the time I break up with a man, I've already gone through that breakup over the last six months of how I'm gonna, you're so done by the time you actually force yourself to be like, I can't do this.

• 30:24Paige DeSorbo?

  No, girls mentally, we told you, you didn't do it. Now we're exiting. Like see, uh, sorry, we're, sorry, we're smart. So.

• 30:32Hannah Berner?

  I did see, I did see like a controversial TikTok, though it could be totally made up, but about how her and Tom may have known each other before. Did you see that?

• 30:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't.

• 30:42Hannah Berner?

  So Tom Brady, to get into sports, played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now, I'm not too super knowledgeable about Florida, but Tampa Bay is close to Miami.

• 30:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

• 30:54Hannah Berner?

  She went to University of Miami.

• 30:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait a minute. You're saying that there is a rumor that they could have been like known each other when she was in college?

• 31:03Hannah Berner?

  So when she was in college, she had said on her podcast at some point that she had a relationship with a guy who was 20 years older than her, but like never said who he was. And then ended up dating Braxton, whatever. So then people are trying to be like, is this the guy? Cause like they just seem so familiar with each other. Yeah.

• 31:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, got it, got it, got it.

• 31:22Hannah Berner?

  I'm just spreading pure gossip.

• 31:24Paige DeSorbo?

  That's pure gossip.

• 31:26Hannah Berner?

  Pure gossip.

• 31:27Paige DeSorbo?

  We just made that up.

• 31:32Hannah Berner?

  We're literally starting rumors about 22 year old Alex Earl. I'm so sorry, but.

• 31:36Paige DeSorbo?

  I know. I was just so mad for her. I'm like, she's a young girl. She's on vacation with a bunch of her friends. She's like, why would she, why would it be her fault for being seen with Tom Brady?

• 31:50Hannah Berner?

  And cry about a guy named Braxton?

• 31:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Like who gives a shit? He's also fine. It very clearly seems like they had like a normal breakup. Like no one's gone on the internet and talked badly about the other one. Like what a blessing.

• 32:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, good for them.

• 32:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Who cares? Also, sorry, I just like, if you're Tom Brady, what the fuck are you doing? What are you doing?

• 32:17Hannah Berner?

  This is took a turn. This is took a turn. The turntables have turned.

• 32:21Paige DeSorbo?

  She is a 25 year old girl. You have, she's closer to your kid's age than your ex-wife's age. And how people aren't being like, oh, people are like, oh, Alex is using him for like some type of fame. He clearly knows who Alex Earl is. If he was like a normal 50 year old guy who was retired and on the on TV every week, he would be dating low key. No, he wouldn't be with the number one influencer in the fucking world. So how people aren't saying that about him, like he's clout chasing, like obviously Tom Brady is so famous, but I'm sorry, Alex Earl is pretty famous for like here and now.

• 33:02Hannah Berner?

  For her demo, they know who she is over Tom Brady a bazillion times over.

• 33:07Paige DeSorbo?

  I just think it's so, I'm so over like the narrative that men can do whatever they want at any age and women can't do whatever they want at any age. Like she's getting hated on because she's too young.

• 33:22Hannah Berner?

  It's like, I'm sorry, if I was 50 years old, I wouldn't want to be at like a random party with a DJ with influencers around me. That's just not my idea of a good time. But if that is what brings him joy, I mean, that's, she's 25, like that's what you do, but like by that age.

• 33:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Some girl said on TikTok, uh, this was like, this was like weeks ago. This wasn't even in pertaining to this at all. Sometimes I'm on like catch a predator, like pedophile side of TikTok and then it gets really intense and I'm like.

• 33:58Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you have to get off.

• 34:00Paige DeSorbo?

  And this girl was saying, as you get older, if you don't find things about the person your age and older attractive and you find younger, like sorry, that's like a little, that's like strange.

• 34:17Hannah Berner?

  Well, that's part of growing up. You know, like you used to like boys who were their hair backwards and like didn't have a beard when you were like 13. And then one day you wake up and you're like, I want a guy who has a chiseled jaw and a beard. It's just part of growing up.

• 34:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Now I'm like salt and pepper gray hair. Fuck yeah. Like I'm obsessed.

• 34:35Hannah Berner?

  I mean, don't get me going, girl.

• 34:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Get me going on someone in a nursing home.

• 34:41Hannah Berner?

  Get a gray haired guy going.

• 34:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Get a gray haired guy going.

• 34:47Hannah Berner?

  Don't make us start that segment.

• 34:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Don't make us start that segment.

• 34:51Hannah Berner?

  But what I was saying is for all the girls out there who are getting older and are worried about like guys liking younger girls. I have a theory.

• 35:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 35:01Hannah Berner?

  The same dudes who are like forty-five hitting on twenty-three-year-olds are the same dudes that are like, I want to go hang out with my guy friends at a strip club. And look at girls who don't actually want to fuck me. Like, that's the same category of guy. That like, they're creepy. They're just creepy misogynistic dudes.

• 35:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I just, this is a perfect example of like, this is a situation or like a society norm that I think so differently of. Now that I'm in my thirties than when I was in my twenties. In my twenties, I was like, yeah, of course, like, guys just like can live like that. Like, they can marry a twenty-five-year-old when they're forty.

• 35:38Hannah Berner?

  Well, like, think about what you'd talk to a twenty-two-year-old about. Like Snapchat, what are you listening to? I don't know!

• 35:45Paige DeSorbo?

  And not, I'm obviously not on the girl's part because the majority of women are just like, we're emotionally more intelligent.

• 35:55Hannah Berner?

  Yes. But still, under twenty-six, your brain is not fully formed, and that's why it's not cool.

• 36:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Anyway, my next pop culture thing that I would love to talk about is Timothee Chalamet getting up on the stage, okay? And, and telling the world that he, well, I didn't love that he was like, it was so corporate, like, partner and foundation, but like, the message was there, the message was there. I wanted to be like, of all the speeches you've given, this, these are the words you've picked for this one?

• 36:23Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 36:24Paige DeSorbo?

  I love when a man is like, this is my girlfriend and I'm obsessed with her and she, these are all the reasons. I love it. Scream it.

• 36:33Hannah Berner?

  I love that too. Because it's kind of like the elephant in the room. Not that she looks like an elephant at all, she's snatched. But that Kylie Jenner's in the room. Because Kylie Jenner is richer than like, a lot of the people in that room.

• 36:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Kylie Jenner is actually gonna buy this event and then host it next year. Like, fuck you!

• 36:53Hannah Berner?

  But it's also like, kind of cute of Kylie, like, she really steps back and lets her man, like, she wears these just like black dresses.

• 37:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 37:00Hannah Berner?

  She lets him just have his moment. She could come in there and fucking take over if she felt like it. Like, like, Kim K would be like, sit down on the party.

• 37:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. No, I think she seems so supportive and sweet.

• 37:14Hannah Berner?

  She's and she's letting him have his moment. So for him to then reciprocate like that. Cause it is true. You are a part in a partnership at that point when you guys are in such like a public eye. Like you have to be like a business partnership.

• 37:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 37:27Hannah Berner?

  In a way.

• 37:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Totally.

• 37:29Hannah Berner?

  But I like that. Can we discuss um Meg Stalter's outfit?

• 37:34Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean.

• 37:35Hannah Berner?

  With Paul Downs from Hags.

• 37:36Paige DeSorbo?

  A comedic genius.

• 37:38Hannah Berner?

  When they showed up like that, I said game over. I've seen what I need to see. I didn't have to watch anything else. It was also what's crazy about that is Kylie and him are at the event that you're making fun of them at. That's so iconic.

• 37:50Paige DeSorbo?

  And I feel like also they are a good couple where they would laugh. You know, like you know, there's obvious, there's definitely like Hollywood couples that would be like, that's so rude.

• 38:03Hannah Berner?

  No, that was that was iconic. The thing with Meg though is like, I think she was trying to make it like, look at us like we're so silly and goofy. But like Meg ate, like Meg looked gorgeous, like stunning in every way. Her makeup, everything looked incredible.

• 38:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you know that Uber did Uber wrapped?

• 38:22Hannah Berner?

  Grace like said something to me about that and I was like, um, this didn't come across my desk.

• 38:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, just so Gen Z knows about it because Josephine told me about it. He, she was like, do you know that they did Uber wrapped? Let me show you yours. Like had to get.

• 38:36Hannah Berner?

  How could she see yours?

• 38:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, she had to get to, I was like, how do you do it? And she was like.

• 38:39Hannah Berner?

  I just got so scared that it was public. I was like, oh my God, alert the police, alert the police.

• 38:47Paige DeSorbo?

  It's on everyone's LinkedIn automatically. What are you talking about?

• 38:52Paige DeSorbo?

  So she goes on my phone and like gets to where it is and shows me.

• 38:58Paige DeSorbo?

  It's aggressive. It's egregious. It's so attacking. It's one of the best things I've ever seen in my life.

• 39:07Hannah Berner?

  What kind of data?

• 39:09Paige DeSorbo?

  How many times you, oh, then?

• 39:13Paige DeSorbo?

  It brings you over to Uber Eats. It goes, now, let's do Uber Eats. How many rides you took, how many different places you went, how many restaurants you ordered from? And then it pinpoints a clear item that is your favorite that you ordered the majority of. Do you want to guess mine?

• 39:30Hannah Berner?

  This is why I reacted like that? Oh, um.

• 39:34Paige DeSorbo?

  The type of food and it-

• 39:36Hannah Berner?

  It's McDonald's.

• 39:38Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's not a brand or anything. It's like a thing. No.

• 39:43Hannah Berner?

  Okay, um, Italians are upset.

• 39:46Paige DeSorbo?

  I was actually like a little shocked by it.

• 39:47Hannah Berner?

  French fries.

• 39:48Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 39:50Hannah Berner?

  Caesar?

• 39:51Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 39:52Hannah Berner?

  No, um.

• 39:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I feel like you're gonna be like, what?

• 39:56Hannah Berner?

  Chinese, Chinese.

• 39:56Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 39:57Hannah Berner?

  No, but you ordered that on the phone.

• 39:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I ordered that on the phone.

• 40:01Hannah Berner?

  What is it?

• 40:02Paige DeSorbo?

  A cheeseburger.

• 40:04Hannah Berner?

  I was gonna say a cheeseburger, but I thought, never-

• 40:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I never would have guessed that for myself.

• 40:09Hannah Berner?

  You know, that's my favorite food.

• 40:10Paige DeSorbo?

  But now I'm like, wait, I do, I do be at home just-

• 40:13Hannah Berner?

  It's a good source of protein.

• 40:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Just ordering cheeseburgers.

• 40:17Hannah Berner?

  What do you get, what do you get on it?

• 40:19Paige DeSorbo?

  All different stuff. You can't put me in a box.

• 40:22Hannah Berner?

  What do you dress it with? How do you style your cheeseburger? How do you outfit it?

• 40:29Paige DeSorbo?

  How do you accessorize that Penny vodka?

• 40:33Hannah Berner?

  I have to look at mine and report back next. My thing is, I, I get like hyper fixated on meals, so like, I already could tell you, like, I'll do the same meal for like three months. It's like not healthy.

• 40:43Paige DeSorbo?

  No, that's same. I order the same cheeseburger from Five Napkin Burger all the time.

• 40:47Hannah Berner?

  If it works, it works.

• 40:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like, I'm not inventing, reinventing the wheel here.

• 40:51Hannah Berner?

  Why would you try a different place's Penny vodka when you don't want to risk it going bad? Also, you know, when you order from a place so much that when something's slightly different, you're like, mm, you made this wrong.

• 41:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. No, and when you get like a bad, like, that will make me not order from a place again. And like, it was horrible tonight.

• 41:10Hannah Berner?

  But even if it's like not bad, but it's like, oh, normally there's three pieces of lettuce and then I put two this week. Okay, interesting. Um, wait, can I say one more hot take about Alex Earl?

• 41:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 41:19Hannah Berner?

  It's not really about Alex Earl, but in general. St. Bart's, everyone on the yachts.

• 41:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Hannah Berner?

  Hot take about yachts.

• 41:29Hannah Berner?

  My nightmare.

• 41:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Really?

• 41:32Hannah Berner?

  A yacht is my biggest phobia, to be stuck on a party in the middle of the ocean that you can't leave. No, thank you. Like, no, thank you. And I know there's like rooms in it, but like, again, you know when you see be out of that energy? Like, you're like, I don't want to hear people, I don't want to see people, I don't like my outfit, I don't like who I am with these people, I need to remove myself, I've embarrassed myself, I need to go. That's how I end my parties.

• 42:05Paige DeSorbo?

  That's how I ended my twenties, like.

• 42:09Paige DeSorbo?

  I was like, I'm a bad person when I'm around you. I have to go.

• 42:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Normally, normally. Telling people straight to their face when they've made you worse.

• 42:27Hannah Berner?

  I don't feel like my best self in this situation, I want to go. To be on a boat, no, I guess maybe I've also watched like too many.

• 42:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the thing, you've watched so many, I was just gonna say, like, you're not gonna get pushed off. Here's what I'll say, when you break it down.

• 42:42Hannah Berner?

  Connoisseur.

• 42:44Paige DeSorbo?

  It is, yes, it's our worst nightmare, being stranded anywhere and not being able to like get a car and go.

• 42:52Hannah Berner?

  You can't Uber Eats.

• 42:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Except I feel like yachts are so, um, what's the word I'm looking for? So exclusive and it's so like, like not everyone just like has a yacht, that when you're curating a group of people to like go on vacation with.

• 43:10Paige DeSorbo?

  It's a, it's a big trip, like you want to be around them, I would say, I don't know. Like if me and you went on a yacht.

• 43:15Hannah Berner?

  Super rich people freak me out. Super rich people scare me, I don't know what kind of demonic stuff they're doing. I also, there's men around sometimes, when there's yachts, there's men, I don't know. So like imagine your friends like, hey, let's go in this guy's yacht, that's how it always starts. Cause women don't need a yacht. Like no woman has a small dick to be like, I need a yacht.

• 43:36Paige DeSorbo?

  I was just gonna say, do you want to know who loves rich people the most? Like rich men?

• 43:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Other rich men.

• 43:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I was gonna say not as rich men. Like, have you ever watched?

• 43:50Paige DeSorbo?

  They're all showing off for each other.

• 43:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Have you ever, like, that's why it's so crazy that women get the gold digging, like, stereotype. One of my favorite hobbies is watching men be in a conversation with a man that they wanna be like. Like, or want to be. And it usually is like, people that aren't as rich as like the other, and it's very fascinating. And I'm like, kiss.

• 44:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Cause the men have their own hierarchies. Yeah, they're literally flirting with rich guys.

• 44:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Men love impressing each other.

• 44:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, it's like when a man meets an athlete and they're just like, so like, I actually hurt my knee too.

• 44:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Nope.

• 44:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Once.

• 44:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah?

• 44:32Paige DeSorbo?

  So I got into like a little bit of a debate.

• 44:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm an ally, so like, I'm gonna stand up for like what I believe.

• 44:46Paige DeSorbo?

  And I explained to some men, allegedly.

• 44:55Paige DeSorbo?

  I said, hey, let's do an exercise. Let's do, let's think up of a hypothetical situation. And the hypothetical situation is, we are at a Broadway play. We're watching.

• 45:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Alright, go with me on this. We're watching a Broadway play. The two stars of the Broadway play, both men. The play is over, they're bowing, they're saying, oh my god, we finished the play. Both stars of the play look at each other and they said, you did a great job. And the other one says, no, you did a great job. And they said, let's take our shirts off. They proceed to take their shirts off and exchange shirts because they did a good job during the play.

• 45:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Is this a made up scenario?

• 45:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, this is a hypothetical.

• 45:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 45:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I looked at the men and I said, now.

• 45:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Is this season two of heated rivalry? What are you explaining?

• 45:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I go, in that situation, wouldn't you say, wow, that's a little gay, but that's okay. But, cause those are two gay men on Broadway telling each other they did a good job at the play. Now, all of a sudden, if we're at Giants Stadium, it's not gay anymore.

• 46:08Paige DeSorbo?

  And let me tell you, I offended people like.

• 46:13Hannah Berner?

  Wait, but my thing is I've never seen the end of a play, two men, like that's. No, but I'm saying it's too gay for a play.

• 46:23Paige DeSorbo?

  This is an outfit, get the fuck away from me.

• 46:26Hannah Berner?

  Switching outfits, it doesn't match my pants.

• 46:30Hannah Berner?

  No, 100% valid, which all things go back to the same thing, which is heated rivalry and I'm trying to move on, but I can't. But yeah, with the odds, I don't like it. Imagine if something happens. Imagine if someone's following you.

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• 48:14Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:58Paige DeSorbo?

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• 50:58Paige DeSorbo?

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• 51:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't want to name drop. I don't want to do this, but I did get a DM from someone on Heated Rivalry.

• 51:35Paige DeSorbo?

  And my whole life changed after. And all, I saw the follow come in and I immediately clicked follow back. And then I sent the first DM and I just said, "I'm obsessed with you."

• 51:46Paige DeSorbo?

  You never send the first DM?

• 51:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Never. And I was like, I gotta lock this in.

• 51:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, so what's the lore? Like, are, like...

• 51:53Paige DeSorbo?

  It was Kip. And I was just like, obsessed. Like, I'm waiting for your story. Like, I'm locked in on your story. So, anyway, it was the best day ever.

• 52:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Do we need Kip on the pod to get a gig going? For like, our first get a gig going?

• 52:08Paige DeSorbo?

  We need Kip on the pod.

• 52:11Paige DeSorbo?

  That might be iconic. Okay, we'll see what we could do administratively.

• 52:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 52:16Paige DeSorbo?

  To make this work. Wait, I'm obsessed with that.

• 52:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I was really excited about it.

• 52:21Hannah Berner?

  It is also kind of awkward that they're doing all the award shows. But Heat Rivalry isn't nominated because it's like made in Canada. And I'm like, no, I know.

• 52:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I didn't even think of that. I thought you were gonna say because it like missed award season because it just came out. Wait, no.

• 52:37Hannah Berner?

  No, I guess it has to be like international or some, I don't know, but it's, yeah, it's not nominated. For anything, which is like.

• 52:43Paige DeSorbo?

  But like, we're practically Canadian.

• 52:45Hannah Berner?

  No, I know, we touch Canada.

• 52:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that makes me so upset.

• 52:53Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, we have to very largely to the academy because it's kind of like.

• 52:56Paige DeSorbo?

  My favorite ever vintage store I've ever been to is in Canada. I can't remember the name of it.

• 53:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Somebody knows though, I'll put it in the newsletter, actually. I bought so many things from there.

• 53:10Hannah Berner?

  Wait, can I make fun of men one more time?

• 53:12Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, we built a whole career on it, Hannah, yes.

• 53:15Hannah Berner?

  Dez made me watch True Detective.

• 53:17Paige DeSorbo?

  It's so good.

• 53:20Hannah Berner?

  Okay, it's good, but like. It's for men. Because like there's a scene where Matthew McConaughey. Goes into a bar and there's two like strong men. And he like says something and then beats them both up. And then comes back in the car and I'm sitting there and I go, oh, that's your guy's version of porn. Like, that's, like, we watch red carpets, you watch Matthew McConaughey beat up two men. Because I'm like, by the way. There's no way Matthew McConaughey could just walk in and beat up two men. Who were younger than him and stronger than him. But like, men love that shit because they think they are Matthew McConaughey and they're like, wouldn't it be sick? If I took on two men and beat them up.

• 54:01Hannah Berner?

  Also, they didn't even kill them and they're just laying on the ground. Like, it just, it doesn't make, I don't want to be a part of their like weird fantasies.

• 54:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Men love. Movies if there's a tank in it.

• 54:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Any kind of tank. Any type of tank carrying any, some type of vessel. They love a movie based on like a vessel.

• 54:21Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:22Paige DeSorbo?

  They love a.

• 54:23Hannah Berner?

  Like metal.

• 54:25Paige DeSorbo?

  They love a past war or a futuristic war.

• 54:30Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, yeah, and they love like a mystery that like. You know the guy's gonna solve it. Like, you just know that he's gonna solve it, but he has some problems at home.

• 54:43Hannah Berner?

  His family's falling apart at home, but he will figure out the murder. And like, he did cheat on his wife with a very beautiful nineteen year old. And he, and he's dealing with the difficulties of that.

• 54:55Paige DeSorbo?

  He's blindsided by his wife, who left seventeen years ago.

• 55:03Paige DeSorbo?

  No, if I had a nickel, okay, not only like did I, have I dated so many gay men. But if I had a nickel for the amount of men that are like, that have said to me like, yeah, I was cheated on in college. And like, that's why at thirty-four, like, I just.

• 55:16Hannah Berner?

  No one can get cheated on in college, it's not a thing. No one actually dates in college. It's made up. Dating is not real in college. You're welcome, you're welcome.

• 55:26Paige DeSorbo?

  As an adult, bef- honestly, like, before thirty, like, I don't fucking know you. I literally don't care about you. Like, I never cared, I don't care, goodbye. College, I don't even remember.

• 55:40Hannah Berner?

  No, col- everyone's blackout. Nothing counts in college.

• 55:44Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what's crazy is though, like, that is where the majority, I feel like, of people, well, actually, now, in the year twenty twenty-six.

• 55:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, I think there's like a statistic that the majority of people get married, whatever the age used to be, it's like five years after that age or something. I wanna say it's like thirty-two is like the average age. But I feel like when we were in college, I feel like there's so many people I know that like, they met in college, and now they're married.

• 56:14Hannah Berner?

  Well, especially if they weren't in a like, big city, it was like, that's, college is where you meet people. You can't go back to your small town. You've already hooked up with everyone in that town.

• 56:26Paige DeSorbo?

  I've already told everyone here to fuck off, I can't, I can't go back.

• 56:34Hannah Berner?

  No, it, oh, also, another man who's going through a hard time, which I think is important.

• 56:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, we really have to highlight these situations.

• 56:43Hannah Berner?

  We have to highlight male stories. Have you heard of Ryan Lochte?

• 56:51Hannah Berner?

  Wait, this is our segment. Male, men's stories.

• 56:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Hail to you, male stories.

• 56:57Hannah Berner?

  Today, have you heard? Do you know who Ryan Lochte is?

• 57:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Of course.

• 57:03Hannah Berner?

  Well, he's like, the really hot Olympian who like, had a reading level of a like, seven year old.

• 57:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Hannah Berner?

  But everyone was like, we love Ryan Lochte.

• 57:11Paige DeSorbo?

  He was like Gronk, he was the Gronk of swimming.

• 57:14Hannah Berner?

  Yes, and like, he couldn't spell his own name.

• 57:16Paige DeSorbo?

  But he was like fun, he was a good personality, he like hosted things.

• 57:19Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. He bleached his hair, one year everyone was like, this guy's great.

• 57:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:22Hannah Berner?

  Um, he's since, gone downhill, but it happens with, not to, okay, not to like, stereotype, but as an Olympian, it's, Olympian athletes, but specifically Olympians, a lot of these sports, like, it's not sustainable to make money unless you're in the Olympics, which is every four years, and you have to be like, number one to get sponsorship, so anyway. He kind of falls off. He's now selling his medals.

• 57:48Paige DeSorbo?

  No. No. Wait, that makes me sad.

• 57:54Hannah Berner?

  So if anyone wants Ryan Lochte's medals.

• 57:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 57:59Hannah Berner?

  I feel like another man's gonna buy them.

• 58:00Paige DeSorbo?

  What happened after, though?

• 58:03Hannah Berner?

  I love how, I didn't remember the details of how he got there. But shit went down, like, he has long hair now, I think.

• 58:12Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, all I know is he cut bangs, and like, it's not good.

• 58:16Hannah Berner?

  He grew out his hair. I do think-

• 58:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, did he do drugs, was he married, did he get a divorce? Like, did he just like, jump out of the water after the last medal? And like, just never thought about paying taxes again, like, what happened?

• 58:31Hannah Berner?

  Good question, definitely divorce.

• 58:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 58:35Hannah Berner?

  Definitely divorce. Hmm, he did appear on reality TV, that'll do it.

• 58:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, that'll do it, he's close. Crack the code on this one, he'll be better in about eight to seven biz- Eight to ten business years.

• 58:48Hannah Berner?

  Business years. He also did seek treatment for alcoholism in 2018, which we love. And then he also had a near fatal car crash.

• 58:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 58:57Hannah Berner?

  Um, in 2023, so Ryan Lochte has been through it, pre to St. Anthony for him.

• 59:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, what year would that have been, that he was like, the hot thing, like, 2010?

• 59:08Hannah Berner?

  Rio was- Oh, okay, it started in 2026 at Rio.

• 59:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Twenty twenty six.

• 59:16Hannah Berner?

  Sorry, twenty. Twenty sixteen, the Rio Olympics, there was all this drama because he claimed he was robbed at gunpoint.

• 59:23Paige DeSorbo?

  But he wasn't.

• 59:24Hannah Berner?

  And there was like all this, I guess he, I don't, I'm not getting into details, it was very complicated, but he had an altercation, it didn't go well. Oh, and he got sued for foreclosure of his home. I don't know, but like, there's stuff going on over there. Basically, look, you guys.

• 59:40Hannah Berner?

  Men need help. And they need us to support them.

• 59:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Speaking of the male loneliness epidemic, I, this girl was talking about, um, I was just gonna say on TV. No, I literally don't say anything on TV. This girl on TikTok was talking about how the men are so good at like, marketing things.

• 1:00:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, they take all of our stuff.

• 1:00:02Hannah Berner?

  Like, Short King.

• 1:00:04Paige DeSorbo?

  And they just like remarket it where like, getting lip filler and like botox and they call it look maxing. Going on a diet, they call it like biohacking. And she was like, talking about the male loneliness epidemic and she was like, what, if there are that many single men, like, there's, we're single too, like, the women are also single, but we're not saying we're lonely. So like, what constitute loneliness? Like, just not having sex? And so she was like, you guys don't have a lonely problem, you have like a, girls don't wanna sleep with you. That's the problem, why don't they wanna sleep with you?

• 1:00:43Hannah Berner?

  Well, I would say one further, that some of them hate women. And that's why we exist, to make sure that it stays that way. Um, do, also adding to the male loneliness epidemic, not trying to like, solve any problems here because we can't, but sports betting, I think is like, taking down the men.

• 1:01:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait.

• 1:01:06Hannah Berner?

  And no one's talking about it.

• 1:01:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Sometimes I'm like, I have like my niche girl things and I'm like, guys just like wouldn't get it. And then I forget that there's like niche guy things. I had no idea all the men were running home at night and putting their house up for sale.

• 1:01:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Bro, what?

• 1:01:24Hannah Berner?

  No one's talking about it. Men are out here like putting their refrigerators up, like just dropping cash. And so basically you can bet on anything. Like you can bet like this guy's gonna dribble three times before he shoots a foul shot. Like you can bet these hockey guys are gonna make out after they fight. Like you can literally bet on it. It's like us betting on reality TV being like Luann's gonna like kick Ramon in the shit.

• 1:01:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, that's crazy.

• 1:01:49Hannah Berner?

  Sports betting platforms get these celebs like, you know, Kevin Hart and um, just like big, cool celebs. It's a drug. It's a literal drug. Also, the house always wins. And also these men are not making enough money to begin with to be betting. And I'm sorry, one thing that will piss me off about my husband is you spending your money by betting on other men who were more athletic than you?

• 1:02:20Hannah Berner?

  You could, you could, you weren't good enough to play and you weren't good enough to win the bet?

• 1:02:26Hannah Berner?

  What do I have to work with here?

• 1:02:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god.

• 1:02:30Hannah Berner?

  You're a loser!

• 1:02:31Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I really, I had no idea it was as big of an epidemic.

• 1:02:36Hannah Berner?

  Cause they don't talk about it with us. But then it's like, they think it's, it's honestly smoking for men. Like, you know how like when someone's smoking, it's like, yeah, it's bad and it's killing us, but like we're cool? That's how they feel. Like you don't bet, bro. You don't, I bet. Like I'm a bad boy. I'm betting, I'm betting. And they start you off with like a hundred dollars for free. And next, you know.

• 1:02:57Paige DeSorbo?

  I've never dated a guy that's bet like that, like that. And I've never dated someone that was like super into video games. And those are like two really big things that I feel like women are like complaining about a lot where they're like, it's unhinged behavior.

• 1:03:11Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, like my one note about Taylor and Travis, who I love, is that I know Travis is addicted to video games in a way. I don't know if he's addicted, but he plays a lot of it. And I think he should just be sitting down, listening to Taylor play guitar. All day. I've, I've messed with guys like in college where like you go to his dorm room and there's like eight guys playing video games. You're like sitting there, but you don't know any better. So you're like,

• 1:03:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I've like never experienced that. I feel like I missed out on like a major part of like getting annoyed as a woman though. No, but I feel like it built character.

• 1:03:45Hannah Berner?

  I've done like a guy being like, please come over, please come over, please come over. And then he's playing like the gun game with his friends and like, I don't want to play it because I don't want to play a game that I don't know how to play and I'm not going to win. So I'm like, I'm not going to play. Or they're playing FIFA and then they're like trying to talk to you about it. I'm like, I don't want to hear about your imaginary game of pretending your other men on a field. I don't want to hear about this. And, but a lot of men get addicted to these things and a lot of competitive athletes like it.

• 1:04:12Paige DeSorbo?

  It's like escapism.

• 1:04:14Hannah Berner?

  Well, Andy Murray, who I love, who's a really great tennis player who just retired is with this like gorgeous woman. At the top of his career, she was like, I'm going to divorce him because he's addicted to video games. Because these men, all they want to do is compete.

• 1:04:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, but I will say something and this actually is a little bit in favor of the men. I do feel really bad for a lot of professional athletes, women included. But I do feel really bad for a lot of professional athletes because doing something every single day for your entire life and then one day, not only can you not do it, you can't do any of it. Like you have to completely pivot. The mental stress that must be for guys that have been in like, like played tennis and like golf and whatever, like since they were children to them being like, okay, go be a real estate agent now. Like,

• 1:05:14Paige DeSorbo?

  like, oh, I couldn't imagine.

• 1:05:16Hannah Berner?

  The girls, it's like really fucked up. But I know some of the guys I'd see like in college, like they were like famous, like the quarterback at Wisconsin would be on ESPN every weekend. And he'd walk around campus and everyone was like, he's famous. And this was before they got paid. They didn't get paid when I was there. Nowadays they get paid. So then afterwards.

• 1:05:35Paige DeSorbo?

  A lot of men with mental health, like in this exact situation, why don't they talk about it at all?

• 1:05:41Hannah Berner?

  I think that there's like, they're putting them in some like, kind of rehab programs, like, how to, how to, it's literally try to get back into reality. Like, how to be a normal person is like what they do.

• 1:05:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Not that far off from like, leaving reality TV. It's like, and this is what regular people, normal people that have friends do.

• 1:06:00Hannah Berner?

  Slowly acclimate to like, what people are like. I mean, I only played till I was 21, but like, that's why I'm a little weird. Cause that's all I knew.

• 1:06:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Hannah Berner?

  Like, socializing was not my number one, like, socializing, I was like, wah wah wah, I have a tennis match. Like, I feel like you were like, and this is my art form.

• 1:06:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I literally, when I met you, I was ready to retire. I was like, I was like, I've socialized everywhere, on to every foreign land I've socialized. Like, I've done it all. So that's why I think it's so funny, being off somewhere else where they're like, you never got out of bed. And it's like, sorry, cause I had partied from 17 years old. I was 10 years into it. I was 10 years into it.

• 1:06:47Hannah Berner?

  I never partied. And they're like, hey, it's 3am, go dance. And I'm like, I am scared. I want my mom to pick me up. I don't like this at all. And that's why I don't want to go on a yacht.

• 1:06:58Paige DeSorbo?

  See, I don't want to go on a yacht. But just with us.

• 1:07:03Hannah Berner?

  Oh yeah, for sure. But also, I know you. And after like, 6 hours, you're gonna be like, I want to go home.

• 1:07:11Hannah Berner?

  How long are you staying on this yacht?

• 1:07:12Paige DeSorbo?

  You don't know me that well. I love luxury. Um, okay.

• 1:07:21Hannah Berner?

  You guys, this is our first week. We're doing 2 episodes. So, look out for us. I, I think it's coming out Friday.

• 1:07:29Paige DeSorbo?

  That's what Grace said.

• 1:07:30Hannah Berner?

  That's what Grace said. We're not in control of this stuff. Um, set your fucking alarm clock. We don't know when on Friday, though. So just like, we're gonna surprise you. We love you guys so much. Thank you for giggling. Bye.

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