Your Favorite Artist’s Favorite Artist with Anderson .Paak

Keke kicks it with Anderson . Paak for a real hang on new music, his directorial debut, and watching his kids make music of their own. He breaks down how a song he wrote years ago just became another artist’s chart-topping hit, talks collaboration, risk-taking, reinvention, and legacy, then faces off against Keke in a hip-hop IQ game — he didn’t come to play. And yes, Keke asks about what’s really going on with Mariah Carey, and Anderson keeps it honest. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:05Keke Palmer?

  From the stage to the screen, Anderson Paak is one of one. Grammy winner, director, fashion risk taker, and certified trendsetter. He's carved out a lane all on his own, blending sounds, flipping styles, and keeping it fun every step of the way. Whether he's tearing it up with Silk Sonic or stepping out in a silk suit and loafers, Anderson doesn't chase the moment, he makes it. Today, we're talking about his latest music, his directorial debut, and how fatherhood, fashion, and reinvention are shaping this next chapter. And yes, we're getting into the Mariah Carey of it all, too. So let's get into it, baby. This is Keke Palmer.

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• 2:12Keke Palmer?

  Ah, season two of Baby This Is Keke Palmer is a wrap. And baby, what a ride. We're taking a little break to cook up what's next for season three. And trust me, we've got some fire in the works and I cannot wait to share with y'all soon. But first, a big thank you for watching, listening, sharing, and showing up every week. From Shelly and Alandria to Usher, Lizzo, and the one and only Mariah Carey. The incredible conversations, the laughs, the honesty, ooh, the moments. Every episode has been pure joy, and I hope you've loved them as much as I have. If you've missed a few, don't worry, this is your cue to catch up. Check out the episodes you might have missed on YouTube and make sure to follow our new

• 2:57Keke Palmer?

  Baby This Is Keke Palmer Instagram and TikTok for updates. And a few surprises while we're away. We'll be back in 2026, bigger, better, and bolder than ever. I love y'all so much. Stay tuned, because baby, this is Keke Palmer, and we're just getting started.

• 3:18Keke Palmer?

  Anderson Paak, welcome to Baby This Is Keke Palmer.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  It's an honor and a pleasure.

• 3:23Keke Palmer?

  You know, I always see you out and we always dancing and cutting up somewhere. So it's good to sit down and talk with you.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  It's amazing, and I'm so proud. Look at this, this is beautiful.

• 3:30Keke Palmer?

  Thank you.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Budget.

• 3:31Keke Palmer?

  Okay, come on, Budget.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  It just feels like it. You know what I'm saying, I'm seeing money, you know?

• 3:36Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  I'm so happy for you, and this is so, like, such a pleasure to be able to, like, sit down with you, always see you having fun, and you're someone that I really look up to and like, so proud and to see like how versatile you are and smart, funny, and you've just been killing it for years.

• 3:51Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  And so humble, and uh, I don't know, I just, I'm just really, it's just, it's a big honor and a big pleasure to be here.

• 3:58Keke Palmer?

  Anderson, it takes one to know one. I mean, you do everything under the sun. You need to sit down and teach me how to play some of these instruments.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Anything you want, anything you want.

• 4:06Keke Palmer?

  So you did the pre-show pull-up questionnaire. I love doing this with my guests, because it just, you know, lets me get into the mind of you. So today, I'm giving you, says superstar, period, with a side of sparkle.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  You feel me?

• 4:17Keke Palmer?

  And you know, I'm mad, because I was thinking to myself, like, should I wear this sparkly dress? I'm like, Anderson coming, I know he gonna come with the fashion, and I feel that you've upstaged me.

• 4:24Speaker 03

  I'm glad you didn't do it to yourself. Because I think you're perfect where you at, you know? I'm hotter than a Labubu.

• 4:30Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, the Labubu's done taking over.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  I'm telling you now.

• 4:33Keke Palmer?

  Chaya and the hair, the bob is bobbing, stiff wear.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  I mean...

• 4:37Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  You got your angles right. And what's the ETA on that, uh, tequila?

• 4:42Keke Palmer?

  I love a drink. We do need a bar up in here.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  Just a little sip.

• 4:45Keke Palmer?

  Okay, today's mood in one word is yes, Lord. Period. What's yes, Lord to you?

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Yes, Lord.

• 4:52Keke Palmer?

  We in church.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  I mean, I grew up in church.

• 4:54Keke Palmer?

  Me too.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  And so, I take the church with me, you know, even, you know, that, um, I'm older now and, you know, go all over the world, but I'm still a church kid of heart, so that's where it comes from, and you know, it's just like, it's just the, the best expression for, for any situation.

• 5:09Keke Palmer?

  It's not on you, it's in you.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right.

• 5:11Keke Palmer?

  Okay, what did you listen to on the right here? EWNF. Now put me on. What's EWNF?

• 5:16Speaker 03

  That's more commonly known as Earth, Wind & Fire.

• 5:18Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh! Yes!

• 5:20Speaker 03

  You feel me?

• 5:21Keke Palmer?

  And we're Earth and Air right here because you're in Aquarius.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  In Virgo.

• 5:24Keke Palmer?

  In Virgo. We just need a little fire.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  There's a little something right there.

• 5:27Keke Palmer?

  Yes! Okay, so which, what era of Earth, Wind & Fire were you listening to?

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Um, I was listening to the seventies stuff, so I think it was like, it was on the radio when I was pulling up, so, I think it was Fantasy that I was playing.

• 5:38Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh, such an incredible group.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:41Keke Palmer?

  And I feel like we don't, I mean, like, I mean, obviously with Silk Sonic, y'all gave us a taste of, of, of what it feels like having something like that in this era, but I feel like it's so different. I don't know if it's because people don't do live instrumentation anymore.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  People don't have fun no more. They don't dress, they don't, like, you know, like, where, where is this at?

• 5:55Keke Palmer?

  Perform.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, perform, and you see how tight them, them outfits was and the crazy feathers and it's thirty people on stage all rocking and playing instruments, and I don't know, like, I miss that.

• 6:05Keke Palmer?

  Me too.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  You know, part in, in R&B music and, and, and hip-hop and, and, and, and the whole genre, I think, like, people having fun, people being rock stars and, and, and, uh, you know, showing out and playing instruments and seeing bands, seeing black bands.

• 6:17Keke Palmer?

  Yes, yes.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  I'd love to see that, more of that.

• 6:19Keke Palmer?

  Me too. We, we definitely thank you for being able to give us some of that, so I gotta highlight that because, like, you give us what we can from that. Okay, what's your zodiac sign? Obviously, I said Aquarius, but you don't know your moon and your rising.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  So, actually, I do. It's funny you should assume, but, um, I actually do. Um, I found out that I am, uh, too, uh, Capricorn.

• 6:39Keke Palmer?

  Oh, wow.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  And an Aquarius, yeah, and I had no clue, and I'm like, wow.

• 6:42Keke Palmer?

  That's a very level, chill person that has great direction.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  And I can't stand Capricorns usually, and, but, I'm usually surrounded by a lot, and, and one of my best friends is Capricorn, and I'm like,

• 6:52Keke Palmer?

  Wow.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Wow, that's amazing, like. Um, makes not a lot of sense at first, but now I think about it, I was like, okay, Capricorns is good with money, they're clean, they're focused, yeah.

• 7:02Keke Palmer?

  Very ambitious, I definitely feel that you're that.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:05Keke Palmer?

  So it actually does make a lot of sense.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  It does.

• 7:07Keke Palmer?

  Okay, what is the most unexpected thing on your talent rider?

• 7:11Speaker 03

  A framed, uh, photo of James Brown.

• 7:13Keke Palmer?

  So you gotta have that everywhere that you go.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Anywhere I go, yeah.

• 7:16Keke Palmer?

  And what is it about you and James?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  He's kinda like my fairy godfather of soul, you know what I'm saying?

• 7:21Keke Palmer?

  Godfather.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  He's right, he looking over me.

• 7:23Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Watch out now, chat.

• 7:24Keke Palmer?

  James, I wonder what it would have been like to have an evening with James?

• 7:27Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 7:27Keke Palmer?

  He probably would have took us up and everywhere, we would have been at the club, Andy's.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  He would have some cash on him, we would have got some whiskey somewhere, we would have been up to the morning, just how I was.

• 7:36Keke Palmer?

  And a whole bunch of [BLEEP].

• 7:37Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 7:37Keke Palmer?

  You know that.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Come on now.

• 7:38Keke Palmer?

  Okay, yes!

• 7:39Speaker 03

  Right?

• 7:40Keke Palmer?

  And that last screenshot on your phone, no deleting, show me, I feel like this might be some freak [BLEEP], I'm scared.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's why I just, yeah, it was a, it was a Bible scripture.

• 7:48Keke Palmer?

  Perfect.

• 7:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's go with that.

• 7:49Keke Palmer?

  It was a Bible scripture.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  Jesus wept.

• 7:51Keke Palmer?

  Y'all know, and then you gave me your autograph, that's the best.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 7:54Keke Palmer?

  I'm keeping this forever and I'm selling it.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  I usually charge for that, so that's exactly.

• 7:57Keke Palmer?

  Yes, well, how are you, how you doing? I know you were telling me you just opened up your club.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:01Keke Palmer?

  Andy's in West Hollywood.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:03Keke Palmer?

  Live music, good food.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  I was up, I didn't sleep, and I just came straight from the club to here.

• 8:08Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  In the same suit.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  You know, changed my socks and drawers and that's it.

• 8:14Keke Palmer?

  You know how good your skin has to be for you to be able to pop up?

• 8:15Speaker 03

  That's right, I've been doing the IVs.

• 8:17Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, those IVs.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  I don't know what the hell is in them pouches, it could be Mountain Dew for all I know.

• 8:21Keke Palmer?

  But I trust it.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  But I'm paying a thousand dollars a pop.

• 8:23Keke Palmer?

  Man, me too, I trust you with my life, but every time after, I don't know if I really feel different.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  I wanna take the pouch and test it and figure out what it is, cause it could be turkey neck broth for all I know.

• 8:33Keke Palmer?

  Turkey neck broth.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what it kinda looked like, yeah.

• 8:36Keke Palmer?

  Little guinea pouch.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Mix it with some dressing. Nah, I don't know what the hell is in there, but I, I'm trying to do everything I can, I'm getting a hold, pushing forty.

• 8:43Keke Palmer?

  Man, we do gotta start thinking about our health, I'm definitely on that same tip, I mean, and you've been... Everywhere. You've been doing a lot. I mean, you were on stage at BET Awards, touring for No Worries, your album, Y Lord, a new song with my girl Mariah. Um, I mean, did you get a chance to do anything fun with your kids? Or what was the most exciting part about all this?

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Man, the, the best thing to do with kids after doing all that is just being able to sit down and watch movies with them, talk to them,

• 9:06Keke Palmer?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  Bug them, you know, I take the friend, my, my son is 14 now and my young, my youngest one is eight.

• 9:12Keke Palmer?

  A teenager?

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got a teenager and now he has friends and I take him out, you know, we just go like, go eat, go just chill, just do regular stuff, go try to go take him shopping and all like get going, getting him fresh. He's, he's just starting high school now.

• 9:26Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  He's been homeschool since he was six. So he begged us to go to school finally and now we don't got no one to watch his, his little brother. And we got no one to help us with the TVs and stuff, but he gotta, he gotta go to school at some point and, um, and I'm really excited for him. He's playing instruments now and we just jam out.

• 9:43Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  We, we watch like music documentaries and stuff and he's all into making beats and I'm just like in awe, you know, my, my little one is, is killing, he's singing all the time and, they're both just like, I'm just, I'm in awe of both of them.

• 9:58Keke Palmer?

  I was really gonna ask how you feel about them wanting to get into music, but it seems like they, they already are into it.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  I tried to force it for a long time, you know, I tried to, you go and play drums, you go now, they're getting choreo, I had them in everything, you know what I'm saying? Steady kicking now.

• 10:14Keke Palmer?

  I'm howling.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  And, um, in my oldest, he, when I was doing that, he was, he kinda just backed off, like he's like, oh nah, I want, I wanna play baseball. I'm like, what? All these damn drum lessons and drum sets, I got you all this stuff and now you wanna play baseball? So we go into the baseball games, he's striking out and we gotta still be supportive and [BLEEP]. And then, once I backed up off him, I, you know, I started coming and around and he was just playing drums by himself. And then all of a sudden he start playing guitar and bass and stuff that I can't even play and I think you kinda just have to let them find their way.

• 10:44Keke Palmer?

  I love that, cause I do want my son to be into entertainment, but I'm taking this note from you that maybe I should just act like it ain't nothing and see if he finds his way to it.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  That worked for me.

• 10:54Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  You know, I had to kinda just let him find it and, uh, Just give him suggestions here and there.

• 11:00Keke Palmer?

  Now, you say he was homeschooled for six years. I love hearing this because I think about this with my son a lot as well. I think part of it is me being like, I want him to be able to be with me. So obviously, if he's homeschooled, we can be together more. But, I mean, what made you ultimately decide that?

• 11:13Speaker 03

  We just couldn't wake up early. None of us are morning people, and then I was always traveling. And so, they kept calling, like, he's showing up late, and, you know, and I was like, let's just keep him here with us and figure it out. And, you know, also too, like, exactly, like, I don't trust nobody around my kids. And I'm very protective, and that's all I think about, like, oh, man, what's going on? You know, every day is something else in the news. So, I love that he was able to stay in the house with us for those years, and he could be around my sisters and their kids and cousins. Family is so important for us, and I have such a big family, full of women, and they're always around in the house helping out.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  Everyone's helping with each other's kids, and he got that, you know, like, first. And then, you know, he has his church friends, you know, so that's how I grew up too, you know, with going to church. And I had the kids in church that I was cool with, and that was like our little community. And so, he has the same thing. And now, he can make his debut, his high school debut, and, you know, he can do his four years, and he'll be fresh, you know.

• 12:19Keke Palmer?

  Now, your eight-year-old, did he do homeschooling too?

• 12:21Speaker 03

  He spoiled as hell. And, um, he was just born into money. So, I don't know, I really, I want the best, but I don't know. It's like, he just started, like, walking on his own because he's been carried around all over everyone, just like, he's so cute. His bare feet barely touch the ground. And he's also, he's like a model. He just looks, you know, a kid is like a little doll. So, um, he's a mama's boy, they're both mama's boys, and he has the most beautiful voice. And, but he's like very much into his own thing, independent. If he's, you know, seeing his brother doing it, he wants to do something completely opposite, and so.

• 12:55Keke Palmer?

  That's just like my little sister.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:56Keke Palmer?

  Now, you're one of those creatives that people say, like, literally, you're your favorite artist's favorite artist. How does that impact your creativity? Or does it ever feel like pressure, knowing that people look to you? Even everybody's favorites looking to you?

• 13:09Speaker 03

  I think it's, um, I'm, I'm humbled and it's, it's awesome to hear that. Cause when I was coming up, that's really all I cared about was like the respect of

• 13:18Keke Palmer?

  Hmm.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  people that I looked up to and I was always thinking like, um, okay, like I'm inspired by them, but how can I do this different, do it my own way? And, um, you know, individuals like, you know, Andre 3000,

• 13:33Keke Palmer?

  Ah.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Lauryn Hill and, and of course like Michael and Stevie and D'Angelo, the list goes on and on.

• 13:38Keke Palmer?

  Yes, D'Angelo.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  These guys were people, Prince, people that, you know, honed in on their own thing. And, um, I think it inspired lots of generations. So to be one of those people or people to say that, um, it makes me feel like I'm getting old. But, um, also I'm very happy that I'm, I'm able to be within this industry this long where people, I'm seeing now, like the effect that someone like me that wanted to push playing an instrument and it wasn't always so like, you know, wasn't a thing that was trendy or people kind of almost were confused like, what are you doing? Like, and especially in R and B, if you can't, if you weren't Chris Brown or if you weren't like

• 14:12Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  D'Angelo or like, they didn't really know what to do. And so I'm coming in playing drums and I wanna look different and, and, uh, just being me and, and being an individual and, and, uh, that wasn't always like the most trendiest thing and popular thing and, and to see that now people have come around to that and, and that void, you know, has been filled now with other people that are coming and playing. I think it's, uh, it's awesome and I'm humbled.

• 14:36Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and I think it's the consistency of seeing you be able to do that and take up space in these ways, especially when we talk about R and B and the expectations people have for black men and what it should look like. So I mean, that consistency over time, I think people start to realize like, no, no, no, he's not that, he's not this.

• 14:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 14:50Keke Palmer?

  He's Anderson Paak.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:52Keke Palmer?

  Was there a moment for you that you felt like you saw that? Or even now, is it still something that you're like, okay, I don't know or?

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I, I, I was always trying to do that, even when I had nothing. Like I was always, uh, didn't. I wasn't concerned about like trying to fit in or anything like that. I always wanted to have my own individual swag and like do something that different people didn't have. If I couldn't afford it, I was trying to go to thrift store and like, okay, I can afford this, this is gonna be my swag for the whole year. I'm just be in this denim jacket and you doing this and I would try to do something that would keep me, keep it like, oh, that's only him. And so, and I'm coming up in L.A. and everybody does something. And, and, and everyone's talented or maybe they don't have talent, but sometimes people just got more style or more drive, more hustle. So you're always doing stuff to, to be like stand out in this like sea of, endless sea of like artists and

• 15:43Speaker 03

  managers and all these people and you want just people to be like, oh, I remember him like, that's that boy came through with the bob and the boots and, you know what I'm saying?

• 15:53Keke Palmer?

  Yes, something that's original.

• 15:55Speaker 03

  No, you know, it's just like just having fun and so, um, I think, you know, when, by the time I got signed to Dr. Dre, like this is two thousand,

• 16:03Keke Palmer?

  fifteen?

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, fifteen, I was, I had really wasn't thinking about getting signed anymore. I kinda thought that I had missed that boat. I was in my thirty, like thirty or something and, um, I was like, that's not happening. So, um, you know, instead of me trying to chase that, I'm just gonna really try to hone in on being, you know, something so unique, something so like undeniable, that's me that I can do, that, you know, everyone's gonna be able to like see that and I'll be able to garner my own fanbase without a label and stuff like that. And when I got into Dre, I was so confident in what I could do that I, I think that he really respected and loved that and, um, I was, I wasn't someone that came in and was like, okay, I'm gonna write for you and just try to fit in and do something that you can do.

• 16:48Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm someone that's gonna do Anderson Paak on what I can do and I think he loved that and that's when I really, really felt like, oh, wow, like, this is paying off now.

• 16:55Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and somebody's seeing me and it's like one of the main people that you, that, you know, to be seen by.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:00Keke Palmer?

  Tell me about how y'all met in that relationship and what you kinda learned from him, you know, through working with him.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Man, the biggest thing I learned was, you know, just, Take up every opportunity like it's your, you know, like it could be your last one. And because I honestly, I didn't think I was gonna meet him. I almost didn't do the session because I came up writing in L.A.

• 17:21Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  And you know, everyone was like, every once a week you always get a call about Detox. They're writing for Dre and doing all stuff. And Dre, he became like a mythical creature at one point. I didn't think I was gonna meet him or anything. I was like, I ain't gonna, he's probably, that ain't never happening, you know?

• 17:36Keke Palmer?

  Right, no, L.A. is like that.

• 17:37Speaker 03

  Dre's like, my manager was like, at the time, my manager was like, "Yo, come to the studio and, you know, work on Dre's album." I'm like, "Sure," you know, "I'm, I'm work on my album," you know? And, um, they begged me to go. And then I, I went begrudgingly and I walked in. The first two people I see are Dre and DOC. I'm like, "Oh, wow, this is really happening." And so I walk in and I, I go in the studio, I meet Dre, he's really cool. I go in the studio, I meet these two writers, uh, Maz and JT. And they're working on a Dre album and they love my song "Swayed." I had a song called "Swayed" at the time. "Smooth in the m-" "Swayed on the inside."

• 18:13Keke Palmer?

  Them vocals?

• 18:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, you feel me? I'm still waiting on that tequila, but I don't.

• 18:19Speaker 03

  So I walk in, you know, everybody going crazy. I got, I got a little hot song at the time. And it was this before like I was, had anything on like Spotify really or anything like that. I mean, I had one, one project, but that song was really bubbling like within like Bandcamp and the SoundCloud world and all this stuff with my boy Knowledge. And we had a group called No Worries and we, and that song was going around and those writers loved it. And they played it for Dre and Dre played it like three times in a row. And, um, after that, he just kept inviting me to the studio. And then all of a sudden, he dropped an album and I was all over it and...

• 18:50Keke Palmer?

  I mean, that Compton album was huge. And I think like, obviously people were loving you before then, but this was like a huge moment. How did your career, you feel, change after that? How soon did you see it?

• 18:58Speaker 03

  I started getting a lot of family members I didn't know. And never heard of and getting different calls.

• 19:04Keke Palmer?

  Come on, family, I have to put words.

• 19:05Speaker 03

  "We miss you," and he, you know, a lot of, a lot of, uh, Apple Pay requests and stuff like that. Venmos and stuff.

• 19:11Keke Palmer?

  Come on.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  And I changed my number with the Quickness. And, um, you know, I was, uh, I got a few things, you know, TSA pre-check, you know?

• 19:22Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  I wasn't playing around now. I'm stepping things up. Um, I got my first, you know, foreign.

• 19:28Keke Palmer?

  Ayy.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  I was dipping in the Beamer at the time, the one with the doors go up.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  I had to do that. I had to do that on him. And then, um, you know, I was just like, Mama, where you wanna live, you know? Hopefully somewhere cheap. And, um, she said Atlanta. I was like, thank God.

• 19:45Keke Palmer?

  Cheap?

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, go get two of them.

• 19:46Keke Palmer?

  Atlanta will get you a mansion.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  This twenty, this twenty, yeah, we can go crazy. Go ahead, get two of them things. Yeah, and, uh, yeah, it was just like, everything was like moving fast and with the crazy part is Dre put out an album and no one thought he was gonna put out an album and he actually put it out and then had me all over it and it was a surprise album. And then everyone was like, what you gonna do now? And so I, my, like, I had to do something, my next move had to be the best move.

• 20:12Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  And I was working on my project at the time, so now everybody was coming and wanted to work, so it was cool. I had a little more leverage and I was, I could put together, I was already putting on, putting together a project, but I could finish it now and with the people that I really wanted to do songs with like 9th Wonder and Madlib and High Tech and, um, getting some cool features like from Scoob Boy Q and, um, you know, everybody that was a part of that Malibu album was, it was like very pivotal for us and I wasn't signed. I, Dre hadn't signed me yet. And so, everybody wanted to sign me all of a sudden. I couldn't buy a deal before that. And then everyone was like, let's talk, let's talk.

• 20:47Keke Palmer?

  Isn't it so funny how the industry does like that? They sometimes they just don't know until somebody tells them that it's something. And I hate that about it, you know what I mean? But it is dope when you can find a collaborative partner that you rock with and you could just stick with that.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  You gotta stick with it. As an artist, you just gotta stick, trust your gut, you know, and like, all those people like those, everyone swears they know they don't know. And the only one that knows really is you as the artist, you know, that's why you can't let anybody, you know, deter your focus. And so I, I was glad that I was able to finish that and, and, uh, and eventually signed to Dre, like, I'm, I'm, if I'm signing with anybody, it's gonna be with the big homie and, um, yeah, it was, it was a whirlwind. I was going, doing tours all over the world and that was the first time I got to see like, after that, people were like waiting out line, like big lines for the shows and we're going overseas and we had a tour bus, you know?

• 21:36Keke Palmer?

  Ah, that, the experience, that experience.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's cool.

• 21:39Keke Palmer?

  I mean, you've worked with so many artists, Mac Miller, Gwen Stefani, Lotto, Raven Linnae, obviously Dr. Dre, Bruno Mars, I mean, the list goes on.

• 21:46Speaker 03

  Paul McCartney, The Game.

• 21:48Keke Palmer?

  I love, come on now. I mean, what makes the perfect collaboration? Because all these people are different. You know, like when, like, how do you know the vibe is right? Because obviously, genre, it don't matter the genre.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:07Keke Palmer?

  Ah, I just had the most incredible time in Chicago, and I cannot stop thinking about it. I just hosted my debut Airbnb Original Experience. And honey, it was absolutely everything. Let me set the scene. One amazing Chicago kitchen, me and my pops bringing the energy, the coolest people ever, and a local chef who was straight fire. Okay, we weren't just cooking. We were creating magic, making memories, and filling that space with so much laughter and love. This wasn't your average cooking class. Okay, we walked in as strangers with recipes and walked out as friends with stories. Dad had the whole room dying with his play-by-play commentary and watching cooking newbies turn into kitchen pros. Absolutely priceless.

• 22:53Keke Palmer?

  The food was restaurant-level amazing. But what really got me was seeing confidence bloom and watching instant friendships form over every shared bite. Some of life's best adventures happen in the most intimate setting, and you can find them through Airbnb Experiences.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  I mean, I honestly, I'm, I'm, I'm an artist people kind of person. So I just try to keep the vibes of, I like to like help, you know? It's like, so if I, if some people are really shy and they want me to take, you know, the lead, I'm down to do that. If, you know, some people are like, there's only room for one star. It's like, it's all good. Let me take this jacket off, we good. You want what you need. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's all good. So, you know, I still know what's going on. It's like, I'm a, like, I'm a team player. So it's good, you know? And not everybody knows what they do, want to do. So it's like, great, I, I got some ideas. Some people know exactly what they want, which is even better. It's like. Tell me how I can help, you know? So you just gotta go in and I think it's about like, you know, having conversations, getting to know people, you know?

• 23:55Speaker 03

  A lot of people wanna do collabs, they wanna send a track, they don't wanna know, they don't, never met, they don't have any connection, and it's very transactional and stuff. And um, sometimes if they have a big budget, transactional interactions are great, you know? But um, sometimes it's like, let's talk, let's see each other, 'cause I don't know, maybe this song could be really big and we're gonna have to perform it sometime, or maybe we're gonna have to be in the same room together, and it'd be cool if we have some kinda chemistry, it could help with the record, I don't know.

• 24:23Keke Palmer?

  What type of vibe do you put on in, when you in a session?

• 24:26Speaker 03

  Set some candles.

• 24:27Keke Palmer?

  Come on, candles. Turn off the lights.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 24:30Keke Palmer?

  Light some candles.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Feathers and whatnot.

• 24:33Keke Palmer?

  Yes! So you're a mood setter.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:37Keke Palmer?

  I love that, I love that. I'm definitely gonna need to get in the studio with y'all, I'm ready. I need this vibe.

• 24:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:42Keke Palmer?

  This sounds like the vibe.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:44Keke Palmer?

  I mean, of course, there's Mariah Carey and the record that you guys did, type Dangerous, and then you got three more on the new album. Did y'all know each other before? Like, how did you guys collab, you know, how did that come up?

• 24:54Speaker 03

  I mean, of course, I've known and been a huge fan of her since forever, but um, yeah, we had never crossed paths, and the first time, like, interaction we had, uh, my team was like, Mariah wants to work with you, and she wants to get on a phone call with you. And I was like, oh shoot, alright, let me set some candles up in my own spot, you know what I'm saying? I got fully dressed and said, okay, let's do this. One time on the Zoom, she's like, it's not a Zoom, just, you know, it's gonna be, alright, well, it's alright. FaceTime, and you know, she's, yeah, so I just got on the phone, and hello, you know, like, the smoky tone, and I was like, "Hmm, yeah, what's going on? This is AP, what we doing?"

• 25:34Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 25:35Speaker 03

  "I'ma tell you what we doing, actually. I've been studying you for a long time, I got some ideas."

• 25:39Keke Palmer?

  Wow!

• 25:40Speaker 03

  And she was like, "You know, my band is a big fan of yours, and I heard great things and I can't wait to work." And I was like, I had a feeling that we were gonna hit it off, like, she was gonna be fun, and I was like, watching her videos, like, interviews and videos, I was like, oh, she's, she's like, gonna be such a blast.

• 25:54Keke Palmer?

  Really good sense of humor.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:55Keke Palmer?

  Really good sense of humor. You know, I had her on a show, and I was asking her, and I'ma ask you, 'cause she said there was a lot of love with you two. I know I saw y'all at the gas station, holding hands.

• 26:04Speaker 03

  That girl know she love me.

• 26:04Keke Palmer?

  Now, what's T-Bow?

• 26:06Speaker 03

  She know she love me. And that's all we gotta really say about that.

• 26:10Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying? Um, I'll put the music first.

• 26:14Keke Palmer?

  I love that we keeping it business.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  She knows she love me.

• 26:16Keke Palmer?

  But the love is there.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  It's all up and through there.

• 26:18Keke Palmer?

  Okay. She had nothing but nice things to say about you. Love type dangerous.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love, I love working with MC. It's the best. It's been awesome. And you know, when you get to work and like hang out with people that you're working with, I think it's very important. Sometimes we just go on cruise and go to my club, hang out, play the record that we just made. See how it is working in the room. This is just the greatest times and, and making that record was awesome. She's such an amazing writer, such amazing producer, comes in with ideas and um, just like so many jokes, so much fun and.

• 26:49Keke Palmer?

  I can only imagine seeing her in her writing process. That's so incredible. I mean, some of my favorite records, I'm wondering to myself, how did she even fit these words in there? Like in breakdown, she say some [BLEEP]. Were you like, how did you even sing that and make that happen?

• 27:04Speaker 03

  It's insane.

• 27:04Keke Palmer?

  So I imagine that was a, a really dope experience.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love it.

• 27:07Keke Palmer?

  Now, in, in an interview that you did with Hype Beasts, you talked about reinvention as a way to learn it all instead of know it all.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:14Keke Palmer?

  And I'm curious about that. Like, what do you feel there's more for you to learn? Like, how does reinvention look for you in real time?

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think there's always stuff for you to learn. I think that's, that's the key. It's like, um, sometimes I don't have the words. Or sometimes like I wanna write some great stuff, but I'm not tapped in like enough, you know? And, and sometimes you could force it and push it, but um, I don't know. Like sometimes it's not fun for me anymore to be in a studio with no windows and like try to pull a song from thin air. Sometimes I need to like, I need to get do something else. I need to learn. I need to experience something else. I need to start from the, the ground up on something. I need to, I wanna learn and study something else and try to begin to master that and learn more about that. And it's all a journey for me and I, I get inspired, you know, from taking the journey. Then it's like, oh, now I think I could take this and bring it here.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  So I've been getting into DJing. You know, I started DJing when I was uh, doing Silk Sonic and we started DJing, I started DJing my afterparties. And um, you know, me and Bruno are super competitive, you know? And, and I think it helped for the music, you know? And, and when we got on that stage, you know, sometime, you know, he, he, I get some flare pants. Then I go on, you know, next day I see he got the flare pants, but they're bedazzled. I'm like [BLEEP]. Alright, I get some leather snake skin boots. Then I see he got the custom snake skin boots with the custom heel on it. Giving people the illusion that we might be the same height, or even he's taller. It's **** crazy. So I had to do everything short of putting on a damn Bob wig. Just so I can survive in this world, you know? So I start DJing, and that's how it is.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  You gotta survive, but I started DJing just for fun, just so I can have something to do. You know, keep my mind productified and, you know, learn a different craft. And I started loving it, because you see how records affect people. You see what timeless records do. All over the world, these records work. And you see the connection they have, like talking about love, real instruments, you know? Like uplifting people so they feel good when they're dancing and they're not thinking about the lyrics like, wait, can I?

• 29:16Keke Palmer?

  And that is so real with the dancing, man. Like getting, like, I don't know if we were live too when we were kids, but like, I remember watching TV and being like, I can't wait till to go to the club and dance.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  I'm learning all these moves.

• 29:26Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, and I feel like we, you know, there are spots that have it. Like I said, I definitely want to check out Andy's, because I'm sure they're dancing up in your spot. But like, music that allows us to dance, not just play cool and sit up on the wall. You know what I'm saying? It really makes us feel something.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, and so, um, I think that's what it is, like learning about all these things. And I think it allows you to reinvent yourself and in this industry. Um, I think that that's a big part of it. And again, the people that I came up with, uh, watching and admiring, they all did that. They all changed it up different cycles. Things get boring and they want to switch it up. Uh, now I'm going by this moniker, now I'm doing this. And as artists, we have that freedom. That's the whole beauty of being artists and tapping into that and getting deep into that. And the fans and the people that maybe feel like they can't do that, or they fear doing that. Um, they're looking at us to do that and then inspire them, so.

• 30:22Keke Palmer?

  When you're working with other artists, do you look at the landscape of music at the time? Is that something that comes into your mind?

• 30:28Speaker 03

  I try and I do, I don't care what they're doing. I mean, people want to, you gotta see so and so, and I'm like, no, I don't.

• 30:35Speaker 03

  Especially people like my, like in my, my peers.

• 30:38Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Like, I don't really wanna know what they're doing, you know?

• 30:40Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  More power to them, but I gotta, you know, you gotta tap in and shit, you know?

• 30:44Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  I know we gotta stay hit.

• 30:46Keke Palmer?

  You know, it's like, it's like, when the tides change, does it matter? You know, cuz if you're a trendsetter, then it shouldn't matter, you should just set the trend. But then also, it's like, oh, the charts and like, you know, are those things that you care about? If an artist cares about it?

• 30:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:58Keke Palmer?

  That you're working with?

• 30:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think you gotta be truthful with yourself as an artist. And I think that every time you go out, putting, if you're an artist that is making a living off of this, you're also an entrepreneur, you're a business person, right?

• 31:08Keke Palmer?

  Period.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  So, you have to consider things, what the climate, what's going on? Where do you wanna take your company? Where you wanna take your business as an entrepreneur? Where do you wanna go with it? And how are you gonna evolve? And, uh, I don't know, you, you'd think you would, as a, as a business, you wanna grow.

• 31:23Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  Getting more people to know you is, should be part of it. I don't know, some people wanna keep it boutique.

• 31:29Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  But there's things that go into keeping it boutique too, right? Keeping it consistent, you know? Where you getting your stuff from? And there's, there's things, you know? So, um, I think that, yeah, you're, you're aware of all these things. And I don't know, I've, I've had a number one before. And, and then I've had songs that are like cool, classic backpacker stuff that, you know, only certain people know. And I love both feelings. There's nothing like having, being able to go into all these rooms. Um, and, you know, having that respect and having, uh, these records that you can play in all these rooms. There's nothing like having a number one record. You know what I'm saying? And like, you, people will be like, I don't care about that and this and that. Until you get one, and then you out, and God knows where, and, and, "I'ma leave the..." And they know that, you know what I'm saying?

• 32:13Speaker 03

  It's like, whoa, you know, you can always play that, have that in your pocket.

• 32:17Keke Palmer?

  Do you think there's a science to that kinda thing? Cuz I always think about the fact that like, okay, "Hit Me Baby One More Time", that's a hit, but would it have been a hit on Brandy? You know what I mean? Have, have you ever, that was a hit on Brandy? But would that have been a hit on Pink? You know?

• 32:30Speaker 03

  I think there's no getting around work ethic and hard work. And I think that, you can argue there's a science, you know? Like, Michael Jordan got tons of rings, and Kobe, and Michael Jackson did it multiple times. Beyonce, like... Bruno, you know, I think that some people tap in to a work ethic and they know what it takes to to make something hit for themselves. And also, again, the artists themselves, maybe that's really what they want as artists. They don't want to make a song that no one knows. They wanna make huge songs, and that's really what they wanna do, so they do everything they can in order to do that, to train and make that happen. They put out the song, maybe the song is not hit right away, but they know

• 33:10Speaker 03

  maybe if we perform this everywhere and we we sell it in in a way that people know how to dance to or know how it's supposed to look, maybe it can start to climb. And then the labels get involved and blah blah blah, and then the visuals hit. And then, you know, things things happen. Some people, it's just right away, they they know how to you know, and some people, they get lucky. They they just make a hit, they don't know how to do that again, but they got, they that happened, and that was a moment, they always have that, and some people make the biggest hits like that. So, um, I think that, yeah, there could be a science, but I think that it's about the artists, and if they wanna do that again, if they get into the muscle memory of knowing how to do that again, cuz I think that's a beautiful thing, it's it's something that's under

• 33:49Speaker 03

  under, um, appreciated, that the people that actually can do it again, people think it's easy, and some people think you sell out or something, and they're doing something cheesy, but it's very hard to to do it multiple times and keep it.

• 34:01Keke Palmer?

  It is, and and I'm curious if you know, if if there's a click that happens, right? Do you feel when you hear a record? Cuz I know people a lot, a lot of times will talk about Rihanna, they be like, she knows a hit.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:11Keke Palmer?

  They're like, she, I've been in the studio with her, she knows a hit when she hears it. Do you know a hit when you hear it?

• 34:17Speaker 03

  There's certain things, I'm like, I sometimes I get goosebumps when I hear certain things, you know? And I'm like, oh, it just, you get that feeling, and you start, you you start seeing visuals and stuff.

• 34:27Keke Palmer?

  Wow.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  That's like, I don't know what that equates to, if it's gonna be number one, but it feels like, okay, I can do this, I wanna I wanna have this, I wanna perform this, I I can, I believe in this, so I think the people are gonna believe in it too, and I think that's a major part of it, being tapped in and feeling it, you know, like, does this feel right? Like, and you know when it doesn't feel right, I can sometimes probably tell you that, but I can tell you, you know, with some songs that I thought.

• 34:52Keke Palmer?

  Sometimes that's enough, to know what it shouldn't be.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, and sometimes you think it's gonna be a hit, and everyone's gassing it up and the label, everyone, and then you start doing the the million dollar music video for it, and you're like, I hate this song, you know?

• 35:06Speaker 03

  Like, you ready to do that, Kiki? Everybody's

• 35:09Keke Palmer?

  I've been there.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know.

• 35:11Keke Palmer?

  It's the worst.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  And it's like, I don't want to ever hear this song again.

• 35:13Keke Palmer?

  And it's even crazier when you don't, which we've heard many times, when an artist doesn't like a song and it actually is the hit that everybody said it was.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 35:20Keke Palmer?

  And you gotta do it for the rest of your life.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  I think probably that's how I would know, because it's usually a song I hate or I don't even want to play and they're like, why didn't you put this, this is out? Or I put it out and it blows up and I have no clue. I got a song on the top 10 right now that I had for myself and wrote for myself that I kept damn near 10 years ago. And I just was like, you know what, my boy, shout out to DJ Dahi. I wrote, we wrote this song together right after the Dre thing and it sat for years. And God bless Dahi, he said, dude, this song is just sitting here, I think it's a hit. Can I give it to my artist I'm working with, Raven Laney? And I said, well, do that, go ahead. You know what I'm saying? I had to forgot about the song, it's great. Raven got a hold of that song, she added a bridge to it.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  Next thing you know, I'm in Zara somewhere trying to get some pants for my son and the song is playing. Then I go to food court, then we go to sushi and the song playing again. I'm like, hold up, this is my song, ain't it? And they're like, it was your song, you gave it to her and now it's a hit. And I'm like, that's our song and I knew, I always knew you was gonna be something, Raven.

• 36:21Keke Palmer?

  And that's the like me?

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Always believed in you, yes.

• 36:23Keke Palmer?

  Yes, like me, you love me not.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  Exactly, and it will be working again very soon, ain't that right?

• 36:27Keke Palmer?

  And I love her and honestly, you guys are a match because she's so similar to you where it's like truthful to the music, truthful to the sound, like, I love her. We just had her on the show, she's dope.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, amazing and that's just goes to, I don't, I don't be no one. And I just, I just try to go in there and write and make the best song. But sometimes somebody else can take it and make it a hit and that's a perfect example and I love to see it like, you know, her doing her thing and then performing it all over the place and now it's going up on the charts, like, like, and I don't have very many songs that was a part of that have really cracked that, you know, so to, to see that, do it, it's like shout out to Dahi, shout out to Raven, I love it.

• 37:03Keke Palmer?

  I love that, congrats to them. Now, your music has so many different feelings in it, from like you say, you grew up in a church, we got gospel, we got soul, we got funk, R&B, hip-hop. How do you, because I'm sure a lot of people like, I like everything, this is so big for us, you're going to see, I like everything. But how do you actually blend the everything that you like?

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Right. I think I'm having just so much fun now, like, at this point, I'm just, there's no one in there in no suit being like, You gotta do this, gotta hit that number one and TikTok views are low, you better blah blah like I'm just doing me and like now people are hitting me up and they are like hey can you produce something you wanna write something you wanna just they love you, they love what you do and I go with the flow and when I'm producing I'm having so much fun I wanna make something now um that is exciting to me and when I'm thinking about the listener I wanna take them on a journey I want them to have fun and a lot of my music has always had like humor and um you know romance and satire and and

• 38:04Speaker 03

  there's a bit of pain in there too you know but um it's it's all about what this song needs and it's try to service the song as best as I can but I love to do these things now where they have breakdowns and intros and um you know going back to Earth, Wind & Fire there's these big moments where they just might break down and might be just vocals and everyone knows it and then ba diya, ba diya you know like and then they go back to the beat and stuff like that you know people are doing it but I feel like you know really leaning into that now is so much fun and as I DJ and I'm seeing people are ready for that they they're so tired of like the same little thing and it's like if you can just do something different and switch it up and have fun like that's what I wanna do and

• 38:46Speaker 03

  that's what I think it is about blending all these different things like I don't know now I wanna do some rock stuff you know and I wanna like take it there and with rock music you can have these breakdowns and just break it down with drums and you can take it up and I'm thinking about the arenas and everything and um then I you know I wanna do some trap

• 39:05Keke Palmer?

  yeah I love the having fun having fun and just put you know giving a feeling putting the joy back in it where it's not always chasing something you did a record that I really love with one of my really good girlfriends Jane Hancock

• 39:16Speaker 03

  yeah

• 39:17Keke Palmer?

  and I love the video y'all did too it's so fire

• 39:20Speaker 03

  yes shout out to Jane and shout out to um uh Crystal Miles and Snoop Dogg

• 39:24Keke Palmer?

  mmm shout out Snoop always

• 39:26Speaker 03

  yeah yeah that's Unc and um yeah Jane is just such another one that is such a joy to To be in the studio with who can Gospel Roots, who can really sing, who can really rap, who's got a production ear.

• 39:37Keke Palmer?

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  And we're trying stuff and you know, to go back to touch on like how we're blending all these things. Shout out to my, uh, my new production team. Uh, we're called N W I (bleep) Instruments.

• 39:48Keke Palmer?

  Oh, yes, fire!

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Uh, J Mo and, uh, J Pounds. And we have been killing stuff. Shout out to even Daniel Moore. Um, we've been having a blast like making these records for, for artists like Jane and for Mariah. And, um, you know, we're working on more stuff. And we're just like, let's do it, you know, people that are not scared of, you know, people coming in with the live instruments. Cause that's what helps you be able to blend stuff. We really play. So, you know what I'm saying?

• 40:15Keke Palmer?

  I'm making my way over to (bleep) with instruments, okay? To y'all kicking.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  And we doing discounted rates and all that right now. So this would be a good time to do it.

• 40:26Keke Palmer?

  Okay, so from each of your albums, let's look back. We got Venice, Malibu, Oxnard, Ventura. I mean, why, La, do you see a personal timeline with your music? Like, are you telling the story or just capturing the feeling?

• 40:38Speaker 03

  Mmm, that's so good.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  I used to just go in and just try to create the best music I could and then I keep a lot of music for a while. And then I usually let the cream rise. And, oh, these ones have still sound good. I still love it. I play stuff for a lot, do a lot of crowd testing.

• 41:31Keke Palmer?

  Oh, I love that. It's like comedians with stand-up.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I play stuff and I see what songs usually get the same reaction. I know, okay, let's put those away. These are, these songs are special, you know? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, exactly. And I love how they did that. And so, um, and then, you know, and I make stuff and then it, and then it comes out and then I hardly listen to it, but then when we're coming towards the time to sequence, because I'm very much an album person, sequencing and

• 41:55Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  It's very important and, you know, taking care of the fans and not just having songs like, you know, I'm, I'm still thinking that that someone out there in the world is gonna listen to the album from top to bottom and not, you know? And so I look back like my last project and I'm like, oh, wow, I was, I was actually hurt. I was going through some heartbreak, you know? It's, you don't really think about it in the time, but then when you, you're in mastering, you think, listen to these records, like, oh, I was like, wow, like, this is my therapy and even though people sometimes they think it's, you know, it's very, can come off lighthearted and sometimes you have to laugh in order not to cry and, you know, and that, with that group, No Worries, it's also my, my partner in the group is a producer and he's going through stuff and I'm channeling what he's going through and I'm putting it into a song and

• 42:41Speaker 03

  so everybody's going through that kind of therapy with this album and, um, you know, I've seen that, oh, wow, there are songs about heartbreak and there are songs about having to look at myself in the mirror and deal with my own demons and stuff like that. And, and I'm glad I was able to put a collection of those songs in sometimes it's not party time, you know, sometimes it's like, hey, this is something that is just where I'm at now. And so, you know, to go back to, it's like, it's like, this is a uh, uh, like a Polaroid of where I'm at right now, you know?

• 43:09Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, yeah. My good friend Taylor Parks, we just did my last project and that's one of the main things she said, like, you know, with the album, it's always like, this is the moment and time of my life that I capture. And I think it's really interesting when you go back and you listen to your old stuff. I'm not sure if you really sit with your own music, but let, when you listen back from years ago, you're like, oh, damn, you know?

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:27Keke Palmer?

  This is cool. That was me.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  It's gonna be incredible, you know, like, um, you know, like pleading my case to my kids that I was cool, like. I had, I had my club. I had, you know, you see the different fits. The wigs was on point. Me and Kiki.

• 43:43Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  We was doing records with Mariah. We was doing records with Jane, you know, like.

• 43:49Keke Palmer?

  Yeah, doing our thing.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, we was doing it.

• 43:53Keke Palmer?

  Now, you have a crazy cool tattoo and I'm so curious as to why you did, like, I just want to know the story behind this. Where you said, "When I'm gone, please don't release any posthumous albums or songs with my name attached." Those were just demos and never intended to be heard by the public. It's give and get out. Whoever finds this body, don't take my organs.

• 44:10Speaker 03

  I don't know where I may end up.

• 44:12Keke Palmer?

  Literally.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  Please don't tell them what was clutched in my hands at the time. If you see me, just, just like, don't wake me, I'm dreaming.

• 44:20Keke Palmer?

  Like, what made you?

• 44:21Speaker 03

  Cause one, just clutching to a labubu and just shot of whiskey. The boy went out like a champ. And the contract on my, um, please don't put those songs out. I was just working some stuff out. I got a whole little capsule. I'm gonna have, I'm gonna set some stuff aside where y'all can release, a little deluxe and all that.

• 44:40Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Break in case, in case of emergency, but please don't, don't get egregious. Don't start dipping into the voice notes and getting Diplo to remix it and K Tramada remix.

• 44:50Keke Palmer?

  And then they gonna pull out the AI, like your hologram.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Now, we don't even need, whatever, we don't need his consent. The AI's doing it better.

• 44:56Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. I mean, what do you, I mean, we're now in a time where that's actually not impossible. Like, what do you think about, like, legacy and like, what, you know, where your music go, where your stuff goes?

• 45:06Speaker 03

  I think the, the people that, the, the thing that is, is like, it's so cheesy, like, I mean, come on, like, people that are gonna do really like, invest and think that they can do, put everything into AI and think that that's really gonna, like, be food for people. There's people that are gonna do that and they're think that is really gonna be the wave. And they're gonna see that it's gonna eat themselves alive. Like, I just think that that's a natural process that there's always gonna be people that want that processed food and all that stuff, but it's not good for you. And I don't care when it happens, it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen where. That found you're not not gonna have any foundation and people are gonna want more. And if there is a way for people that are going towards AI, there has to be a way that for people that just wanna see.

• 45:46Keke Palmer?

  I mean, human connection and people wanting to see real people, that can never go, that's like so priceless. That's why it's when you see a baby being born, or there's a birth that happens, there's something real that goes down. You're always gonna be hungry for it, so the other stuff can exist, but.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  And it's about the artist, how how are you going if if you want to use AI, how are you going to show AI what to do and to take it and do something different with, you know what I'm saying?

• 46:08Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  They were calling guitar, electric guitars and electric pianos AI at one point.

• 46:12Keke Palmer?

  That's right.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying, like people were all up in arms. You don't plug that in, what the hell you doing, that's the devil, you know, like.

• 46:18Keke Palmer?

  So true.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  It's just an amp, you know, like whatever, you know, like, people were up in arms about that, you know, and then, you know, everybody's gonna have a different take and all this stuff, but as an artist, that's why you as an artist, I I think that is important still to have something that you can just do, you know, like with no, that you don't have to plug in, you know, that you don't need anything to

• 46:42Speaker 03

  you know, you don't need wifi to to, you know, capture people's attention, attention and keep them captivated as an artist. I think that is important at the end of the day, like, okay, I'm gonna just get my ass on some drums. If I can't do this and that, and you know, I can still do something with my hands, you know, and I can still do something if I didn't have to plug it in and stuff like that, so I think it's very important because there's still gonna be a huge void for for that, you know, even if it's somebody just wants to go check out a play, you know, like

• 47:10Keke Palmer?

  Yep.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  to see someone really just like

• 47:12Keke Palmer?

  Act on stage.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Act, you know, and it's a living, breathing thing. I think there's gonna be a big movement for that, that those kind of things are gonna be very, very valuable. And as artists, we should really keep it that way and we should demand that, okay, this is high art now. If you wanna go and get that AI that you can get. Which is gonna be everywhere, there's no getting around it. We're gonna make this here like the caviar.

• 47:36Keke Palmer?

  What you're saying because it's it's very empowering perspective because it's true. Like the more of that you have, the more you really appreciate what we didn't appreciate before.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Yes, but artists have to show that we appreciate it. We can't just, I love the DSPs, I love all that stuff is great. You know, getting on a playlist is all that is great, but if we're getting pennies, like we're doing it to ourselves and we're just like, we're gonna dump all of our music on the DSPs and that's what we're gonna do all the time. And then we're gonna try to go tour and then we're gonna have to put on a, you know, touring is so damn expensive, you know what I'm saying? And we ain't getting paid for like, where's the money coming from like, you know? So it's like, oh, we need to create the value in ourselves. We're the ones saying like, hey, we'll work, we'll play for scraps. Just like, give us a billboard, you know, like, come on.

• 48:24Keke Palmer?

  And do you think it's like, like you said, you said something so dope at the top, which I think about it in my career as a multi hyphenate in general. It's like, it's about your brand, who you are, what you're offering. Like, how can artists really empower themselves? Like, when you're thinking about the music industry right now, like, yeah, where's the other source of income coming from?

• 48:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:42Keke Palmer?

  You know, you're not making money off records like that.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I think that it's all about what kind of artist you are and if you're built like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why fools would shoot tough.

• 48:50Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  You was like, I'm, I'm not gonna sit here and just like wait for this. I do my music, I do my acting, I'm doing this, I'm gonna do whatever I wanna do. And I'm like, cause it's about me.

• 49:02Keke Palmer?

  It is.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying?

• 49:03Keke Palmer?

  I'm the ecosystem.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  Exactly, ain't worried about no way AI, they can't.

• 49:06Keke Palmer?

  You need to come to me.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:08Keke Palmer?

  For the baby of the this is the Kiki pump.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly.

• 49:12Keke Palmer?

  You know what I mean? It's true though, I really feel the same way that you do. Where it's like, at the end of the day, people can do that, but it's like, I'm doing this. And as long as I remember that and don't get bogged down into what it means to be this or what it means to be that, but continue to stretch, then I'll be able to continue to collect and continue to invest in what matters to me. Uh.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, man.

• 49:30Keke Palmer?

  You have a, um, foundation. Brandon Anderson Foundation, Poc House.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:34Keke Palmer?

  I mean, what led you to start that? Like, where was the source of that coming from? I know you grew up in Oxnard.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah. Um, I was exposed to music in, in Oxnard and Ventura County where I grew up. Uh, at like very early age and I believe, truly believe that without being exposed to that, I don't know, I could have been exposed to something else that influenced me in, in an early age or influenced by a lot. So those are very pivotal times and I could have put that energy towards negative things and, um, I was seeing all kinds of people do drugs and get into gangs and, uh, they didn't have an outlet and they weren't exposed to church music and great instruments and I was traveling and, and I, I had a sense of purpose and I, I felt like, oh, this is a, a passion now. You know, I wanted to just play drums and I wanted to learn how to play drums and I wanted to get better. And then that exposed me to more music.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  I was listening to gospel and then I meet other musicians that would hit me to different soul and then, and then I got it, you know, I, when I got into hip hop and listening to, to different, you know, Tupac and all this stuff. I was taking those influences and matching it with my hip hop influences. And that created an Anderson pack, you know, and, and I think that, uh, it all starts with exposing people young. And so, uh, that's what I wanted to do with my foundation. I wanted to do things annually where we put on concerts in the park. And we started just in like MacArthur Park, really small. And we just were like giving out backpacks and giving haircuts. I would hit people that I knew, anybody that could, hey, Rafael Siddique, you wanna come?

• 51:01Keke Palmer?

  Oh, Rafael.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  Play some songs in the park for, for the families. We sign families up if you're making a certain amount, like under, under, underserved families who've never even seen shows usually, you know, and work their asses off just to, you know, pay, make ends meet. And now they can go to the park down the street and go see, you know, uh, Rafael Siddique, uh, uh, Janie Iko. I mean, uh, every year we've had incredible people come up. Last year we had the Isley Brothers. And, um, you know, this year, we've got some incredible things, but I want to, you know, that's what we started. We're gonna put on the annual, uh, pack house in the park and be free, uh, for the families and we're gonna ask artists if they can donate their time and perform for families that might not ever get to see them. And it became like a hood Coachella.

• 51:43Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 51:43Speaker 03

  And, you know, we do it every year and it got bigger and bigger and now we, and then I took it to my hometown and now we're doing it at Channel Islands University and it's now, it went from like, you know, hundreds of people to now tens of thousands of people that are showing up. And, um, the foundation, we collab with, you know, all kinds of different foundations, so we're super down to collab. I know you probably have one as well, so.

• 52:02Keke Palmer?

  Yes, Key TV needs to do something.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  I wanted to actually ask you, while the cameras are on, if you, if you would join. Um, we would love you to join.

• 52:09Keke Palmer?

  I would love to join.

• 52:11Speaker 03

  That's a confirmation.

• 52:12Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my gosh. I would love to join. I'm honored. He said that's a confirmation.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  You heard it here first, y'all. I love that.

• 52:18Keke Palmer?

  And it's incredible, I have to say, because as we see more, we're in such crazy times, they keep taking more access away from kids to have a source of inspiration, of expression, to know how to, you know, just be inspired. So it's really incredible what you're doing because that's what they deserve to see. And they don't have access, how can they get to it? You know what I mean?

• 52:35Speaker 03

  Right, absolutely.

• 52:36Keke Palmer?

  So, God bless you for that, for sure. Um, I also want to talk about K-Pops.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:40Keke Palmer?

  Your directorial debut.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  I did a movie, y'all.

• 52:42Keke Palmer?

  You did a movie. It premiered, what was it, Toronto Film Festival?

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it premiered at Toronto Film Fest and then it was at Tribeca.

• 52:48Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 52:48Speaker 03

  It was at the Red Sea, yeah.

• 52:50Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my, and your son is in it with you, too.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  My son, it stars my son.

• 52:53Keke Palmer?

  Let's talk about K-Pops. It's about blending of cultures.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  Blending of cultures. It's a family comedy. It's really, uh, a father and son movie. You know, it's about, you know, just like the bond that you can have with your kid. And, uh, uh, it's, I started working on the, the film during COVID, being in the house. Touring was shut down and I was in the house with my son and I was like, what do you want to do? I want to be a YouTuber. I was like, Jesus Christ.

• 53:18Keke Palmer?

  They really, the YouTube, that's crazy, like it became a thing.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  Continue to disappoint me for so long. Yes, and then I was like, okay, let's be a YouTuber. What are we doing? You have fifteen followers. What is happening?

• 53:30Keke Palmer?

  We gotta start small.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Do you know who your dad is? Yeah, yeah, and so let me juice your, let me, this is embarrassing for me. You know what I'm saying? So, this is a bad look for all of us. We're gonna start, we're gonna, let's get your page going. And we started doing some skits and stuff. And then that's when I realized, oh my god, he's so funny. He's talented, he's a natural. Let's do a movie. He got, he inspired me to write a script. And my whole house at the time was obsessed with K-pop. And so I was like, okay, you know about BTS, but what you know about BET? And, boy, you need to know it better. You know what I'm saying? You, you are as, black as well. And so, I was always driving that. And so I was like, oh, this could be a funny thing, you know? Cause, you know, my mom, my grandma was always like, you know, make sure he, you know, he know about his culture too. And so, yeah, so I wanted to do something where it was like, what if I didn't know I had a son?

• 54:16Speaker 03

  That grew up in Korea and could be the next K-pop star? And I was like a washed-up musician. And that, you know, was out of touch with his, you know, Korean heritage. And I could, you know, give, give him insight on his black culture. And then he can show me about, you know, the Korean culture. And I can show him that, you know, there's nothing new under the sun. And a lot of this is influenced by groups like Earth, Wind & Fire and, and, and Jackson Fire. Like, these are original boy bands, in a sense, you know? So, it's about all these things. And we have incredible cast, you know, shout out to my, my cast. I mean, the movie is just, it's so much fun. And, you know, Earth, Wind & Fire is actually in the movie. Yeah, yeah, or Kirk Franklin. Uh, we have a lot of different people.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  And I was, it was such a, a pleasure to be able to do it with my son and bond with him and make a movie. And direct it, co-write it. Uh, and I can't wait for the world to see it. It'll be out in, in theaters in January.

• 55:11Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, I can't wait to check it out with my baby boy. Because the K-pop Demon Hunter movie that's out now. Got everybody shook up. I need him to see the K-pop.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying, yeah. So we're just gonna slide right in there.

• 55:22Keke Palmer?

  Come on now. Anderson, you literally do every single thing. I'm so happy that you came on the show. And I'm not letting you go just yet. We gotta play a game. Okay, in this game, we're throwing it back. Okay, I'm talking bling, bling, bucket hats, bars, okay?

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Oh, hip-hop.

• 55:37Keke Palmer?

  And this, yes, hip-hop. We're going down and getting into a little bit of a hip-hop IQ game called quotables. It might be award show moments, it might be a fill-in-the-blank, it might be interviews, but whatever it is, we gotta guess who said it and where it's from. And yes, if you miss a bar, the culture will absolutely judge you.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Oh my goodness.

• 55:56Keke Palmer?

  Are you ready?

• 55:58Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 56:01Keke Palmer?

  Okay, I'll go first. Fill in the blank. It was all a blank. I used to read blank.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Dream, Word Up Magazine.

• 56:13Keke Palmer?

  Woo, okay. I was doing a little something easy.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 56:18Keke Palmer?

  We'll see how he goes the rest of the game.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  We're gonna get right to it. Trivia awards. All right? Which rapper from Chicago is one of the only hip-hop artists to win a Grammy, Oscar, and the NAACP Image Award?

• 56:30Keke Palmer?

  Common?

• 56:30Speaker 03

  She's, wow.

• 56:31Keke Palmer?

  Is it right?

• 56:32Speaker 03

  That's correct.

• 56:32Keke Palmer?

  Yes, come on, Rashid. Okay.

• 56:39Keke Palmer?

  Now, this is an award show moment. At the 1995 Source Awards, who said, "Y'all ain't got no love for the West Coast"?

• 56:50Speaker 03

  That would be Snoop Doggy Dogg.

• 56:51Keke Palmer?

  Yes, bow wow wow. Okay.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  All right, trivia, southern rap.

• 56:59Keke Palmer?

  Oh.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  What city is credited as the birthplace of trap music?

• 57:02Keke Palmer?

  Atlanta.

• 57:05Keke Palmer?

  Right?

• 57:05Speaker 03

  That's correct. Final answer is what we're about to get started.

• 57:09Keke Palmer?

  Your expression scared the [BLEEP] out of me. Okay.

• 57:15Keke Palmer?

  Fill in the blank. I'm not a businessman, I'm a blank man.

• 57:19Speaker 03

  I'm not a businessman, I'm a businessman.

• 57:22Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  That would be Jay-Z.

• 57:24Keke Palmer?

  That is correct, it was Jay-Z.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  All right, it's time to stop playing nice.

• 57:32Keke Palmer?

  Whoa.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Trivia, West Coast. Which legendary rapper said, "You better check yourself before you wreck yourself"?

• 57:39Keke Palmer?

  Say it again. Who was, say it.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  I think we all heard, but I'll, I'll, uh, we'll do that.

• 57:46Keke Palmer?

  You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

• 57:50Keke Palmer?

  Ice Cube?

• 57:50Speaker 03

  West Coast artist. Final answer?

• 57:54Keke Palmer?

  Yes.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  Think about your career.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Think about the culture. Final answer?

• 58:00Keke Palmer?

  It's Ice Cube?

• 58:01Speaker 03

  It's Ice Cube. Good job.

• 58:03Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  Nothing to worry about.

• 58:04Keke Palmer?

  Get up, Craig. Get up, Craig.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  You Uncle Willie's son. You Uncle Willie's son.

• 58:12Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh, you're stressing me out. Okay. Here we go.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is starting to spike up, yeah.

• 58:17Keke Palmer?

  I'm so scared. I'm about to stop playing nice, too.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Turn nice up.

• 58:22Keke Palmer?

  Okay, here we go. Fill in the blank. Real G's move in silence like...

• 58:28Speaker 03

  Lasagna.

• 58:29Keke Palmer?

  Damn. Okay, who said that?

• 58:31Speaker 03

  I'm really him. Lil Wayne?

• 58:34Keke Palmer?

  Yes!

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Let's go. Lyric trivia.

• 58:37Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  All right?

• 58:41Speaker 03

  Which female rapper from Chicago was the first solo female rapper to go platinum?

• 58:48Speaker 03

  Tik Tok. Tik Tok.

• 58:50Keke Palmer?

  The first female rapper from Chicago?

• 58:54Speaker 03

  Thirty seconds on the clock.

• 58:56Keke Palmer?

  I know it ain't, okay. I'm scared. But I'm trying to think about female rappers from Chicago.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  Female, your sister in music, let's... You should know, you're a...

• 59:08Keke Palmer?

  Is he old, is he older? Is he old school, new school?

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Are we, I gotta ask the judges if we're allowed to give hints, but, um, I believe she came out in the 90s, yeah.

• 59:18Keke Palmer?

  The Brat?

• 59:19Speaker 03

  Final answer?

• 59:20Keke Palmer?

  Yeah.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:27Keke Palmer?

  Why I'm acting like my life on the line?

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Misfunkified.

• 59:29Keke Palmer?

  I'm acting like I'm in Squid Games.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  And I would hate to turn off the comments and stuff, so we... Yeah.

• 59:37Keke Palmer?

  Oh my gosh. And you know how I got there? I was like Lisa Ray's sister.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 59:41Keke Palmer?

  Lisa Ray from Chicago.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 59:43Keke Palmer?

  The brat, it's gotta be. Woo, that's...

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Misfunkified herself. Let's go.

• 59:47Keke Palmer?

  Okay, here we go.

• 59:50Keke Palmer?

  Now, you gotta know this.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 59:52Keke Palmer?

  This is an award show moment. The South got... Blank, blank.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  The South got something to say.

• 59:59Keke Palmer?

  Oh, my God!

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  Andre 3K. South got something to say. Three stacks. That's right.

• 1:00:04Keke Palmer?

  Yes! Damn, you're good.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  ATL, ho. Okay.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  Fill in the blank. "I was on the plane with blank. You can call me blank. I go to blank." I know I'm not doing the rhythm right, but, ooh, that's tough. And that was the first question that I didn't want to do to you like that.

• 1:00:27Keke Palmer?

  Okay.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  Lord, be a fence.

• 1:00:29Keke Palmer?

  So what is it? Say again.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  "I was on the plane with blank. You can call me blank. I go to blank. I was on the plane with blank. You can call me blank. I go to blank."

• 1:00:42Keke Palmer?

  "I was on the plane with dang. You can call me the blank, tell man."

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  Mm, mhm, mhm. Yeah.

• 1:00:49Keke Palmer?

  "I was on the plane with dang."

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. Give us some hits. The first one, um, I don't know, like, he may be... His name might be the same as...

• 1:00:58Keke Palmer?

  It's Nicki, right?

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:01:01Keke Palmer?

  "I was on the plane with Lil Wayne. I was on the plane with Del Maine." Robbed too much.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  That's two wrong answers.

• 1:01:08Keke Palmer?

  "I was on the dang doing the bang. I know it, look."

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  Okay, all right. You know what? Let's give it to her. That's amazing.

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  See? Cleared.

• 1:01:21Keke Palmer?

  Love you, Nicki. Sorry, Nicki.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  Whitley.

• 1:01:23Keke Palmer?

  "I was on the plane with the Wayne."

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Nicki Minaj, itty bitty.

• 1:01:28Keke Palmer?

  Itty bitty piggy. Okay. Trivia. What was the name of the first major award show created specifically to honor hip-hop artists? TikTok.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  Dang, this is tough because I know it, but I just... I'm gonna say the Source Awards.

• 1:01:51Keke Palmer?

  Is that your final answer?

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:53Keke Palmer?

  Correct!

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Yes!

• 1:01:57Keke Palmer?

  Did you hear they canceled the BET and Pop Awards? And so Train.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Keke Palmer?

  Somebody told me they knew it was gonna be over when they hosted it in my backyard.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  That's insane. The budget cuts is insane.

• 1:02:06Keke Palmer?

  And I thought to myself, they was trying to make that creative, but that was a budget cut. Because why is it in my backyard? Anyway, I think that was... Is it my last?

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  I think I won.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  Quiet as cat.

• 1:02:22Keke Palmer?

  You know what? The guest always wins.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Thank you. That's why I love this show.

• 1:02:28Keke Palmer?

  You're the best, Anderson Paak.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  You are.

• 1:02:29Keke Palmer?

  Thank you so much. I can't wait to check out Andy.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Love you.

• 1:02:32Keke Palmer?

  I love you.

• 1:02:36Keke Palmer?

  Anderson Paak isn't interested in staying still. He moves like an artist who's done a lot, but still has more to say, more to build, and more joy to squeeze out of the process. Whether it's a tour, a film, a label, or a fit, you can just tell when someone's having fun with their story. Reinvention isn't about changing who you are. It's about choosing how you show up. Because the truth is, we all carry a brand into every room we enter. The question is, are you owning it, or are you letting someone else define it? Until next time, baby, this is Keke Palmer.

• 1:03:19Keke Palmer?

  "Baby, This Is Keke Palmer" is hosted and executive produced by me, Keke Palmer. Lucas Siegel is our post-producer. Our producers are Lauren Hampton and Molly Nester. Hillary Esti McLaughlin is our executive producer. Production services provided by Evolution Media. Our original theme song was written and performed by me, Keke Palmer. For Team Kiki, my producer is Sharon Palmer. For Wondery, our managing producer is Olivia Fonte. Senior managing producer is Nick Ryan. And our executive producers are Emily Feldbrake, Aaron O'Flaherty, and Marshall Louie.

• 1:03:57Speaker 05

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• 1:04:56Speaker 06

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• 1:04:58Speaker 07

  And I'm Malcolm Gladwell. We're back for season two of our Audible original podcast, The Unusual Suspects.

• 1:05:04Speaker 06

  We'll sit down with extraordinary guests from the worlds of art, film, literature, comedy, and wellness to hear from their unexpected stories of success.

• 1:05:11Speaker 07

  And who do we have this season? Well, we'll talk with Grammy-winning artist Anderson Paak, athlete Rich Roll, portrait artist Amy Sherald, Oscar-winning director Ron Howard, legendary writer David Sedaris, and many more. These conversations are more intimate than last season, wouldn't you say?

• 1:05:27Speaker 06

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