Driven: Kimera 037, GRP P39; Best Dad Wagons; Project Updates

Driving the GRP GTH P39 and the Kimera 037; the best dad wagons on the used market; updates on the Mercedes and Taycan; why buying a used EV makes fiscal sense; and more! Patreon questions include: Cool used 4-door that will impress my kids Biggest business mistakes Do any 2000s automatics feel "special"? Used AMG GT S vs C8 Corvette Nissan Z vs the "Altima image" Best cool dad wagons What to buy after life with a Fiesta ST? Car-themed watches Best live-axle car we've driven Why podcasting from the canyons is weird How to travel with a watch/es Dumbest marketing badging Best modern "duffle shuffle" car? Will a NSX restomod work? And more! Recorded May 28, 2026 Vinbidders Smoking Tire fans get $100 off the listing price with promo code TIRE and by visiting https://vinbidders.com/tire Go from submitting your car to a confirmed sale in under 1 week with VinBidders. And you only pay $149 if the car sells. Mac tools Go to https://mactools.org/tire to learn more and see if there’s an open route near you Bluechew Right now, when you buy two months of BlueChew Gold, you get the third for FREE with promo code TIRE. Visit https://BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/ TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:42Matt Farah?

  because you've got points on your license. Get Off the Record at offtherecord.com/tst. That's offtherecord.com/tst. Alright folks, on this episode of the podcast, I review the Chimera 037 as well as the RMLGTHP39. Uh, plus, I have updates on my Taycan, I have updates on the Project Mercedes from down in Tennessee, and we come up with a list of the ultimate dad wagons. It's the Smoking Tire, let's go.

• 1:19Matt Farah?

  Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S. In partnership with Dream Giveaways, we're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. Uh, the proceeds benefit charity and you don't have to buy any merch, it's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. Man, every time I put the mint on, I'm like, "That is fucking correct."

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:51Matt Farah?

  The mint.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  I was wearing it yesterday.

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  I don't know when the last time was I wore this.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  You have many in the rotation.

• 2:00Matt Farah?

  Many in the rotation. Uh, and you know, we were selling the pink, so I was really, really leaning heavily on the, on the pink. As well as the stink.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  That's the, is that the next one that you're gonna make? Is it brown? Not BTS brown?

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  You have to do two pink variants first and then a brown. That would be, that would be incredibly subliminal messaging. Uh, did you do two, two pinks and one stink?

• 2:26Speaker 01

  What color would the taint be?

• 2:28Matt Farah?

  Right? That'll be the third one.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31Matt Farah?

  The third watch will be the one you wear, you, you tie it off your ball bag. Like, someone's probably already doing with the fucking AP Swatch.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Someone

• 2:40Matt Farah?

  Someone.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Has surely done that.

• 2:42Matt Farah?

  Someone's like, "I'm so glad this is here."

• 2:44Speaker 01

  You ever hear the story-

• 2:45Matt Farah?

  My cock has always needed a watch.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  You ever hear the Elton John Eminem gift story?

• 2:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, they gave him like, he gave him like cock rings, right?

• 2:53Speaker 01

  He gave him a diamond encrusted cock ring. Eminem gave this to Elton John after they did their song together and they became friends.

• 2:59Matt Farah?

  That rules.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  And it was like Elton was defending, people were accusing Eminem of being homophobic and Elton's like, "Here's how not homophobic Eminem is."

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  That's pretty funny.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10Matt Farah?

  That's a good gift. It'd be nice to be able to give people diamonds.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  You're hard to buy gifts for, now I know.

• 3:14Matt Farah?

  Yes, please, add it to, add to registry, right click. Uh, am I hard to buy gifts for? It sucks. I don't like being hard to buy gifts for.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  It's not your fault.

• 3:24Matt Farah?

  You bought me some such great gifts, though.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it takes me

• 3:28Matt Farah?

  Did I-

• 3:28Speaker 01

  11 months to think of something.

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  Did I tell the story on the podcast about the Leatherman? I did, a couple of episodes ago, right?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  You told that one.

• 3:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  You haven't used the kneepad yet.

• 3:38Matt Farah?

  I have not yet used your, my kneepads, yeah. Zach, I don't know if I told that you got me kneepads, but you did. It's because, well, you know, I have a bunch of jobs. Like, we park cars, we do make videos. I also blow dudes in parking lots.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why you have more cars than I do.

• 3:55Matt Farah?

  And I have

• 3:57Matt Farah?

  God, I really I'm, I need a, I need a, I need an E-Class Cabrio, I'll thug your dick.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  Well, as your followers have gone up, your rate has gone up.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  It's like an appearance fee.

• 4:12Matt Farah?

  Uh, no, I actually, it's because I like, you, you, you can't, there is a level at which you are too famous to help put stickers on cars in a parking lot, and I'm not there. And I'll never be there. So here we are, and I have to help put stickers on parking, on cars in the parking lot.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  At the road and track events.

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  The road and track events, and I fucked my knees up in, uh, wherever we were last time. Where was I? Vegas, in Vegas, at, at the southwest in the, um, at that track. And my knees were fucked up for like two weeks, and I was complaining about it, and Zach got me some nice travel kneepads. So, it's not like he said, "Here's a job where you don't have to put stickers on the cars, but it's a nice second place."

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Listen, Matt, you, you want me to put the sticker on the car, you do something for me. Put these on.

• 5:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, so hi, everybody. Welcome to the program. Boy, is my notebook open to the wrong fucking page. We had like, there's so much shit going on in the last couple of weeks in terms of like cars I drove.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  So many.

• 5:14Matt Farah?

  I, last episode, I forgot that I had driven the Zinger 21C High Downforce.

• 5:21Matt Farah?

  I also drove the, uh, the, this car has the, this is the, here's the coolest car with the stupidest name of the week. This is the RML GTH P39. This is the latest, this is an inter, this is basically what it, if you're calling a phone number in the Cayman Islands, like that's, that's basically, here it's like a fucking Bitcoin wallet, uh, car.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  This is the, it's, you know, 1-800-CARS-for-kids, but if the number, if the letters were all jumbled and terrible?

• 5:51Matt Farah?

  Yes. This RML is the company, is the manufacturer, okay? And they make this thing. They, now you've never heard of them. They build race cars mostly, like touring cars in, in Europe mainly. But they also, uh, did the Saline S7, which you've heard of. They built that.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Gorgeous, cool.

• 6:10Matt Farah?

  You know, it's branded as a Saline, but they actually built. So they, they built this, so this is a, uh, a 992.1 Turbo S that they then take. It's a ca, a full carbon body, everything. It's full carbon. It's, as you can see in the photos, um...

• 6:31Matt Farah?

  It has its angles, let's just say that. It's supposed to be somewhere between like a 959 and a GT1 and, and you know, there's kind of a lot going on. In the, in the back, it looks like a 911 with another car surrounding it.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  It does look like that.

• 6:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And the fact that that, the inner bumper is bare carbon and the outer bumper is orange, I think really accentuates that. There's probably a color palette where maybe it does that a little less. I do think the best angle is like the broadside, just the straight up broadside, I think is pretty tough.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Kind of 911 ST inspired front fender here, where it has that cut, although it's much deeper.

• 7:13Matt Farah?

  It's a deep cut.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  It is a deep cut. It's an obscure callback.

• 7:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Like Dirty Frank on Pearl Jam album. So, it, it looks, I think it looks a little awkward.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  If you make the brown notice, it has to be called Dirty Frank. Continue.

• 7:30Matt Farah?

  I think it looks a little awkward.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  It does.

• 7:33Matt Farah?

  Having said that, it's 940 horsepower. And it, it has a pretty cool interior. It has better versions of the seats that were in yesterday's Gunther Works, actually better padded versions. But a really nicely re-trimmed interior. It also has the knobs on the steering wheel, like the GT3 RS, that allow you to change modes and stuff quickly, which is pretty cool. It's funky. And it is just fucking insanely fast. It's like dynamically, it was really good. It was smooth, it rode beautifully, super fast, but without really

• 8:15Matt Farah?

  losing all the bottom end. A very balanced tune, it shifted really smooth, really smooth. You know, you start with a Turbo S, like it's yours to fuck, yours to fuck up.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. What did they do to the suspension?

• 8:31Matt Farah?

  It doesn't, it didn't like, it's aftermarket stuff, but it doesn't look like full geometry changes. I think they have widened, lengthened, it's a wider body and they do the lengthening of the control arms, which gives you a more precise control over the shocks. To be honest, I only had like 20 minutes in the car, so it wasn't like a, it was like, yeah, I have a quick go in it. So it was like, here's a quick go, here's the impressions. I didn't, I didn't look into it super deeply. It was just like, I'd like to have a quick go. It drove nice. It did drive nice. Spike like loved it. I took it out with Spike. He really

• 9:14Matt Farah?

  liked it. Because he wants a car he could fucking play tennis with or whatever.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  Right. I guess this is quiet. Like, does this dry and feel, you know, if you close your eyes, does it basically feel like a faster Turbo S? Same insulation? They haven't changed any of that? Doesn't it get super harsh?

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  Well, actually, the roof scoop is functional. So a couple of things happened because of that. So you do get the air whooshing over the roof. You do hear more turbo noises. For sure, there's a bigger, you know, there's that. The exhaust is not, it's significantly louder than, let's say, our giveaway car with the Acura exhaust. The exhaust is not much louder than that. But you do get a lot of turbo noise, which is fun. Who doesn't like that? But because of the roof scoop, you lose the fucking rearview window. And so your only option is the camera rearview mirror, which I hate.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Is it a good one? I know you hate all of them, but like, like GM's is very good and the one we had in the race car was not very good.

• 10:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, it's not the one in the race car. No, it's of a, it's the one that you're getting when you buy an OEM car that has this. It's the same, basically the same as GM's or what was the, the most recent car I had that had it, where I thought I was getting rear-ended and fucking scooted into the intersection. What was that?

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Hyundai? What do we have?

• 10:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was the Genesis. It was the Genesis GV60. Yeah, that one. That one. It was, it is, this one, actually, this one is the same as that one because I also thought I was gonna get rear-ended once or twice in this.

• 10:55Matt Farah?

  Objects in mirror appear way fucking, yeah dude, we need a t-shirt. We need a t-shirt for that. Objects in digital rearview mirror are not about to rear end you. Is like, there's, there's something there. We gotta fucking workshop that, but um. I, I think it looks awkward, but I, it did drive beautifully. Um, and it did draw a crowd. Like at Graham Rahal Performance, which is the Graham's dealer where he's got this, it's like a huge fucking complex. This guy owns Indianapolis, basically. The Rahal, the shocking, the Rahal family owns Indianapolis. Um, there's a steakhouse there.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 11:32Matt Farah?

  There's a, there's a coffee shop that was like packed. So this, this photo is in front of the dealer, but, but literally like 10 feet behind the ass of the car in that photo is the coffee shop. And there's a couple hundred people, it was big. There's, there's nothing to do. There's nothing to do in the suburbs of Indianapolis.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Sure, but still the fact that this place, you know.

• 11:54Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, it's impressive.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:56Matt Farah?

  He, he doesn't own the coffee shop. He owns the building and rents it to a coffee shop and he's got the right coffee shop in there. Cause it was popping off and the food is pretty good.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Very nice.

• 12:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  Um.

• 12:09Matt Farah?

  It's called Rivet, that's it. Rivet is the coffee shop. Yeah, so that's right next to it. So there was a, so. You know, when they pulled the cars around for me and Spike to take them out. They pulled the fucking 037, they pulled this thing out.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Both of which are bright orange.

• 12:24Matt Farah?

  Both of which are bright orange. People fucking lost their shit. You know, it drew a huge crowd. So. You know, uh, you love it, maybe you don't love it, but if you wanted, if you want to drive a 911 Turbo S. But that doesn't look like everyone else's 911 Turbo S.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:40Matt Farah?

  Cause that's the problem you find with like many cars. It's just like, oh. A 911 Turbo S is like definitely better than this, but, but, but like. The guy up the road has one or whatever. If you, assuming of course you, you live in that type of neighborhood.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  But I know, that's a great point, cause I look at this and it reminds me a lot of stuff like the, you know, like the roof, what is it, the?

• 13:03Matt Farah?

  The CTR3.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  The CTR3.

• 13:04Matt Farah?

  That's different. That's a carbon tub.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  It is, but...

• 13:07Matt Farah?

  This is like a Gambala kind of deal.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  It's like that also. I was gonna say Gambala.

• 13:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  TechArt's almost more subtle than this. It's very Gambala, where it's just very showy.

• 13:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  But if, if they don't mess it up, then underneath you have a car that you will like driving because it operates the way Porsche designed. But when you show up, it looks like the Lamborghini version of a Porsche or something. It's extremely extroverted. Whether or not you like the design, that's up to you. But you will not be, you know, an anonymous dentist among 15 other dentists.

• 13:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, you're... That is a perfect assessment of this car.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Moving on then.

• 13:38Matt Farah?

  No, for... No, you're like, you're exactly right. I mean, you know, because it's RML and they know what a good car is, they didn't... And it's like, straight up, like, whether or not you like how it looks, it's screwed together really nice. I mean, it's tight, the, the body line, the, the, um, the panel gaps are really good. There is no rattles or anything. The paint is very nice, like, it is, it's nice. It's a nice thing. The only thing is, to service it, anything beyond an oil change, you have to remove, like, the entire, like, rear, that straight line that comes off there that you can see.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:15Matt Farah?

  So that, yeah, where the mouse is on it, that line, and then it, like, that whole thing comes off, has to come off as one.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  The whole lower thing?

• 14:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And also, the, show the front, uh, the front of the car? The entire... So you see how there's no, there's no trunk line anymore?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:30Matt Farah?

  So there's no trunk anymore up there.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 14:32Matt Farah?

  But the entire front is a clamshell now.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  All one piece.

• 14:35Matt Farah?

  Opens up as one big piece. Yeah. So it's like a whole thing.

• 14:42Matt Farah?

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• 16:54Matt Farah?

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• 17:34Matt Farah?

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• 18:19Matt Farah?

  The one thing about it that's a little annoying is, there's the buckets, and then there's a roll bar behind the buckets, and then you lose the frunk also. So, it's fucking super hot right now to make your 911s like non-practical, but like, fucking, you gotta stop.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Well, you turned a turbo into a GT3RS.

• 18:37Matt Farah?

  Correct. Yeah, like, yeah, and with more power, yeah. So, you can get the reg... They'll do you one with the regular seats. So, I think they will do one with regular seats that are trimmed all cool, and then maybe not a cage. So, you can put something back there.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Okay. I like the, uh, I like the door card.

• 18:57Matt Farah?

  The doors are dope.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that looks really nice, textured. It's got like pebbles coming out of it.

• 19:02Matt Farah?

  It, uh, it reminds me of Aston Martin's sneaker-y vibe.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:06Matt Farah?

  When they have Aston Martin sneaker colors.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  For people listening, this is like orange, gray, black. There's a lot of sneaker happening.

• 19:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's, uh, it's good fun. I think, I think some of the styling is a little awkward, but it is good fun. And if, you know, somebody wanted a very extroverted car that ultimately drove like a great, fast 911, you could do worse.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Uh, Gambala is a great example of how many people do want that, because that company's been around. I don't know, at least what 30 years or something like that?

• 19:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's always been this kind of stuff. All I can say about it is however you however it looks, it drives nice. It really does. It's fucking cool. It's real fast. I mean, when you have this much power, it's enough to that are just when you're on it, the differentials are just constantly like scrambling for power. So you gotta hang on if you're if you put your foot down. It's it's really gonna seek traction all the time.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 20:03Matt Farah?

  So I was on Indiana fucking farm roads like we didn't have a lot of time. It was like, hey, Graham, what's like the most remote place I can get to in 25 minutes?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  You go launch it five times. Yeah, come back.

• 20:16Matt Farah?

  So and then we also I also got to drive the the Chimera 037. So this is this is I just I just put another post up before the show started. If you refresh that homepage, refresh this page and you have more Chimera photos right there. So the Chimera 037. So they make two versions of this car now, the 037 and 038. 037 is rear wheel drive. 038 is all wheel drive. The 039 is coming out, which they just announced. Did you see this one? This one is is the no donor car version. Okay, it's I believe it's a carbon.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  K39? Oh, whoa.

• 21:01Matt Farah?

  K39? Is it K39?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Pretty sure that's what you mean.

• 21:04Matt Farah?

  Yes, and it's K because it has a Koenigsegg motor.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Oh, geez.

• 21:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so that'll be a fucking good time. Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 21:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Isn't that nuts?

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's very nuts.

• 21:17Matt Farah?

  So I'm just already on board with that. I don't even have to drive that yet. But so the 037 is the first one they've done, but this this was a this one's new. There was there's no miles on this. There was like 40 miles in this car. So they were like, you know, have fun, but you know.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  It's not broken in yet. Doesn't arrive.

• 21:34Matt Farah?

  Well, I'll tell you what, I drove it for three minutes and you could, you know, you can I knew it wasn't broken. You could smell the exhaust, you know, like a brand new exhaust.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Burning off.

• 21:42Matt Farah?

  It's burning off the coatings or whatever's in there. You that smell like right away.

• 21:48Matt Farah?

  Boilerplate items, it is 2,425 pounds. There is a donor car for these, it's a Lancia Monte Carlo. They had a donor car chilling there.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 21:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The Lancia Monte Carlo is the donor car, that's how it's registered, which is very funny.

• 22:07Matt Farah?

  But they do use, they do use a few bits from the donor car. It's not like just the VIN. They do use some of the chassis.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  It is just, it's funny to look at the Monte Carlo.

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can see what they, what they kept, you know.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can see why, but it also is such a strange looking coupe.

• 22:27Matt Farah?

  Clarkson took one of these on the, the last special, I think.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Really?

• 22:33Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty sure this is what he drove on the very last top Grand Tour special.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  The last one was the Jaguar, I have to go look again.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  No, the one in Africa.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 22:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 22:42Matt Farah?

  So, so there's a donor car.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  There.

• 22:44Matt Farah?

  So the engine is, is a bespoke, you know.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  The engine's insane.

• 22:50Matt Farah?

  The engine's insane, it's a Taltechnica. And a Taltechnica is a company most people have never heard of, but they also make the engine for that crazy Totem GT.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:59Matt Farah?

  Thing that I drove.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Beautiful engine.

• 23:01Matt Farah?

  It's Italian racing engines, that's what we are talking about here. So it's a four-cylinder, twin-charged, supercharged and turbocharged. The turbo plumbing is so pretty.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:15Matt Farah?

  It's a longitudinally mounted, in the back, you know, four-cylinder, with a six-speed transaxle. And it is bananas. It's a, it's just high, strong as shit, but, you know, because you've got this, anyone who's ever driven a twin-charged engine, it's really weird. My dad's boat, of all things, was twin-charged.

• 23:42Matt Farah?

  Did you know that? Yeah, the turbo, the turbo diesels, Volvo inline six turbo diesel.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Well, they've been doing, that's funny, they've been doing twin charging in their investing, or, you know, whatever cars, passenger cars for like

• 23:53Matt Farah?

  For a while.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  10 years, maybe, yeah.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  So this, so this is twin charged and fun time, so as you go through the revs, you know, you hear the blower and then around 4,000 RPM, the blower sort of tapers off. And then here comes the turbo. And so you have a bit of torque at the bottom end to, to, to putter around if you need. And cruise without it being too peaky. But there is a big dip in the middle. And then you get your turbo, but like, that's old school, like it's fun like that. You wouldn't want it to be any other way. There is not a whole lot of sound insulation.

• 24:34Matt Farah?

  And so you get a decent amount of vibration, but all the noises, you get the blower noise, you get the turbo noise, you get the fucking wastegate noise, you get the blow off noise, you get like the exhaust, like you get a lot. There's road noise, like it's pretty, the ride is good. Like it's a, it's actually, the seating position is decent and the ride is good. So it's actually like fairly quote comfortable. But um, there's a lot of noises, just, they're just always there. But like, that's kind of what you're paying for. It's not, it's not as bad as the Gunther. I'll say that. The noises are present, but they do happen at a palatable volume.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Gunther was too much.

• 25:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, we'll get to that later, but, but they found the end.

• 25:27Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, oh, look at that. How cool is that looking? Wow, that's great.

• 25:33Matt Farah?

  And actually, the one in the car is even prettier because the header was fucking gold and shit.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Let's go back.

• 25:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was dope. Oh, it's fucking right out of frame. Oh, at the bottom, the way the exhaust works, it's just out of frame of that photo. Damn it, it was so good.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  The engine's stunning. There was one at Ice Race.

• 25:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Kevin Marshall owns it, and the whole back clamshell he had opened up, and I just, I took so many photos of that engine. It's so stunning.

• 26:00Matt Farah?

  It's, uh, it's real crazy. So, driving it is, it's a lot, it's a lot, you know, it is, it is, uh... Once you're just on the road and cruising, it can be pretty relaxed. You'll settle into sixth gear. You could, you could take one on a, on a road trip.

• 26:16Matt Farah?

  But, the clutch throw is about three and a half inches long, and the, the catch point is kind of vague. And the engine is in vacuum at the very bottom of the, the power band. So you can't do the thing where you give it no gas and just engage the clutch from idle. It doesn't have, it doesn't have enough torque at idle to do that. You'll stall it. But the, the tip in on the throttle is a little inconsistent. So I can't just repeatedly hold it at 1500 RPM evenly in order to... And I'm driving barefoot, so I, this is a thing I could do.

• 27:00Matt Farah?

  Bare, I drive better barefoot than with shoes, so that's, I, if you go, hold that, repeat it, go from zero to 1500, 50 times in a row, I can do it. Not in this car. So, I, I only stalled it once, but every stop sign, every red light was a little bit of a huh? Is it, is it gonna? And like, maybe if I drove it like a lot? Then it would be different, like the, the 911ST has a funky clutch, but I programmed to it very fast.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:33Matt Farah?

  It didn't bother me. It's hard for, it was hard for, same people say that about the Carrera GT, it doesn't bother me. This one was more like that Bora Motorworks race car, like not, not at the level of the Legends car or those kind of race cars, but that sort of thing, where it's that short throw, kinda grabby, but without much feedback through the pedal.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Light flywheel as well.

• 27:54Matt Farah?

  Light flywheel, and so that, that was, I think, the worst part of the car. Now, it doesn't really come into play when you're moving. You're talking about a car that's a million bucks. A million bucks, nobody wants to embarrass themselves fucking stalling this thing around Cars and Coffee. You need to have an easy, workable clutch that communicates. That's, that's just my criticism of this car.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  I wonder if it is a, if it's a product of the twin charged four-banger, because like, you know, the Gunther car, and I know we'll talk about a different show, but it had a thousand horsepower, the clutch was really easy. So, power numbers don't always dictate, you know, clutch selection and whatnot, but if this has-

• 28:29Matt Farah?

  Also a 4.0 liter 6 cylinder.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:31Matt Farah?

  As opposed to, this is a 2.1 liter 4 cylinder.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Exactly, so it's, you might have less torque. It's, I mean, this is like a rally engine from Group B era. And I think I, I, I'm, I'm fine with it being a little difficult, because it's like, hey, let's take this crazy, you know, power plant from 40 years ago, that was probably hard to drive back then. You want, you want it today? Alright, well, there's gonna be some, some considerations.

• 28:55Matt Farah?

  Look, I, I, my job to criticize.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 28:58Matt Farah?

  This is, this fucking, to me, this car's like a 96, to me. Because I've been through normal cars, and now I'm at the edges of the universe in terms of like, loving weird shit. But if you're not there yet, this is too weird for you. If you've had one 911, this is not your next car.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:17Matt Farah?

  You need to have been through the cycle of weird shit, and this is the end point of that. You know, um, that's how you end up with stuff like this. And so like, would you get used to it? Could you get used to it? Is it a deal breaker? No. But like, there's only two things dynamically I didn't absolutely love about this. Cause the brakes were great, the ride was great, um, there's no real corners there, so I couldn't really feel out the handling, but I took a couple 90s at, you know, at speed, and it stuck, it stuck good, it was predictable. It, it wandered a bit on the road.

• 29:55Matt Farah?

  And it only has 235 front tires on it. So I was like, huh, why is it, why does it do that? And the guys at GRP said, this thing like just came in and like, it just came off the boat like, and it might need an alignment. So, okay. It's the Alpha 4C problem. Grain of salt, uh, might be. Jethro didn't say that the one that he drove had that issue. So I assume maybe just that car needs alignment. Alright, fine, whatever, not the end of the world. But, and then the clutch is, was really the only other one. The shifter throw. Guys, support is coming in today from Delete Me. Have you ever thought, uh, that you should really be doing something to protect yourself from stalkers, scammers and hackers, but you're

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• 34:54Matt Farah?

  but to have this gated 6-speed like a Ferrari. I think it would make the driving experience better, even if it was less accurate. But like, fine.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  I think also sometimes if a shifter, if the throw is too short, and maybe it's something you get used to if you drive or race the car a lot, but if the disc, if it's like a 1-inch, or maybe a, you know, the long shifter, a 2-inch, it's so much shorter than other cars we drive that it feels like you must be in neutral. And if you can't detect those dents, it's just a little bit too, it's just too small.

• 35:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Can we say though, this interior is one of the coolest, best-looking interiors I have seen in probably the last 20 years.

• 35:31Matt Farah?

  It's extremely sick.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  It is stunning.

• 35:33Matt Farah?

  And sitting in it doesn't make it less sick. Sitting in it, it's just as sick as this. I had to take my shoes off to drive the car. I can't drive this car with shoes on. But once I had my shoes off, I found it to be very comfortable, good driving position.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  I love the seats. Are they comfortable?

• 35:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, like these, they're carbon buckets, but they do have nice padding. If I was going to buy one of these, I would have a lumbar built into it. You know, it's not a lot of lumbar in this type of seat.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  I wonder, I hope, or I wonder if, when, like, they can fit you to the seat and, because it's all these individual ribs that go across, like, if they could thicken your padding.

• 36:09Matt Farah?

  They would.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  So it's basically perfect for your back.

• 36:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they would.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  That'd be awesome.

• 36:12Matt Farah?

  The gauges are really cool. I mean, they, it's, they, they made it feel like a Lancia. I mean, they didn't, they didn't go too far into high-concept land. The only place they did that is with the startup procedure, which is a little corny. You, so, alright, I wish you could zip well. So, there's a key you can see sticking vertically in the center console. So, that isn't a traditional key. That's a battery tab, a battery cutoff tab.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like a kill switch.

• 36:40Matt Farah?

  It's a fancy battery tab, but it's the remote. It has the lock/unlock in it, too, which is pretty cool. So, you put that in there and turn it, and that powers up the car. There's a big chrome, uh, not chrome, right there, the mouse is on it, that. A big aluminum lever that you pull up, and that's the ignition. And then that little pyramid-looking thing, that it's, no, no, behind, the thing the ignition button is mounted on, that, that piece, has buttons on either side of it, like if it's like this.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:13Matt Farah?

  You pinch it on both sides, two buttons, and that's how you start the car.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  If you only press one button, it doesn't start?

• 37:19Matt Farah?

  No, correct. You gotta press both.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  It's very ableist.

• 37:22Matt Farah?

  It's...

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  If you don't have two fingers, it's...

• 37:27Speaker 01

  If you don't have a thumb, or the other side.

• 37:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you wouldn't be able to drive this car, just hypothetically, in case one of our listeners only...

• 37:34Speaker 01

  I'm just being a jerk. Um, that is a lot, though.

• 37:37Matt Farah?

  So, that's how you have to start it. Yeah, yeah. It's a little theatrical, but like, you know, I got the Manx plunger thing, so I'm...

• 37:44Speaker 01

  I was gonna bring it up.

• 37:44Matt Farah?

  I'm not, no, no, I'm not, I'm not throwing stones in a glass house. It's a bunch of theater. I'm, if we're gonna go that, if we're gonna go that route, just go ceiling. Ceiling is doper. Just trust me on this. And then you could have a couple.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  And you have all the toggles here, so you could...

• 38:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  I think, it's like, the pinch button is an awkward movement.

• 38:04Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Adding, adding, you know, different buttons to activate this machine is cool, but just make it a little bit easier?

• 38:10Matt Farah?

  So, that, and my only other real criticism of the interior, on top of that same little structure that you pinch, are the three drive mode buttons. So, you basically have like 350, 450, 500 horsepower, is what, what it was told to me is those mean. Cool, sounds good. But the buttons are those fucking SEMA ring light buttons.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:34Matt Farah?

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Just an aluminum circle. Yeah, they're everywhere. Sure.

• 38:39Matt Farah?

  With a colored ring light. In my opinion, when a car is that much money, you know, like knocking on a million bucks, right? You need to do better than that. That's a, that's a, those switches are fine when your car's three hunch. Right? When your car's a million bucks, we need to do better. Those aren't, they're generic. We can't, we can't be having generic toggles and stuff in this kind of car. But that's it. Outside, it wouldn't, wouldn't stop me from buying one. Fucking, if this seems like it's, if you look at this and you go, that's my bag, it's gonna be. Like, if it looks appealing to you, driving it probably will not disappoint you. It drives like it looks.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 39:18Matt Farah?

  Which is like, the best thing I, it's la, that's a lazy thing to say, but it's a, it's the best thing I can say about it. Is like, it, it fucking, it drives like a rally, I'd do my kingdom to try one of these on gravel.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:31Matt Farah?

  I bet you, if you had the balls to take one of these on gravel, you'd have the greatest day of your life. Cause it, it's, it's got the moves like a, like a rally car.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  It's a very short car, right?

• 39:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's small.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Small thing, yeah. Dude, the overhangs are great. There's almost no overhang in the back.

• 39:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  What a rad looking thing.

• 39:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's fucking so legit. I mean, I, I do like that this is, like, even though this is, you know, very exclusive and very expensive, like, the fact that like, that this is being engineered by, by enthusiasts, that they're putting their time and efforts into making something like this, you know, is very, very cool.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, in a way, this is a, a departure, a big departure from the traditional hypercar. You know, I think, maybe we're at that point, or maybe that's always existed, but it seems like for a long time, people got really rich, and they, they all chased hypercars, more hypercar companies came into being, they made more and more cars. So the whole thing was, hey, you're gonna go buy this super fast mid-engine thing that looks basically similar and has a similar structure to all these other hypercars. And this is like, what if we took that kind of money, but put it in? Into something that is, you know, a bit more, you know, it's rally, it's rally inspired. It's like, hey, we're not in, we're rally people. We're not into hypercar, you know, prototypes, uh, stuff, but we also have money.

• 40:55Matt Farah?

  And also like, cause we, you know, it's the, the zinger with fucking 1300 horsepower, the, the, the fucking Gunther with the. This thing is, it's, let's call it 2,500 pounds.

• 41:08Matt Farah?

  And at 500 horsepower is so fast.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Well, the power to weight is crazy.

• 41:14Matt Farah?

  And it's small. And, and, and so it, it, it feels small on the road, it drives small on the road. The power to weight is great. It's like, it's, it's a really a good lesson in, you, you don't, we don't actually need to go a thousand horsepower all the time. You know, we can, we can keep the mass tight and keep the car, the package small. And, um, and you're going to have a great product. Most people are, are not gonna feel or use the difference between 500 and a thousand horsepower. Except a couple of times to scare their friends.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  You just, you just can't do it. Where, where, where in, where in America can you do it? Uh, except a racetrack. And then if you're at a racetrack, I, I don't know who's buying a Gunther to use as their track toy or a, or something like that.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Brave people.

• 42:04Matt Farah?

  Brave people.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Also, this power to weight is not too different from a Chiron. You know, Chiron's like 4,400 pounds, thousand horsepower. And I think when you have a car with that much mass and that much technology, it doesn't get interesting. Like the launch is interesting, but then the real speed and impressiveness to me comes above 100.

• 42:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  But that means you're always playing in illegal land. And this, with this power to weight, it's probably really exciting from zero all the way to 120.

• 42:31Matt Farah?

  Oh dude, roll, rolling into third gear, you know, at, at 40.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:37Matt Farah?

  You know, and then, and just riding the wave of the, of the supercharger in the, is like, that is a good time.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  Forty to 80, you're having a great time instead of 140 to 180.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  This, I don't know how fast this car will go. It's fast, like it, this car, if it, if it doesn't fucking go 170, 180 miles an hour minimum, I'd be surprised. But like, you don't, you do not need to be at that speed to be enjoying it, enjoying it. You know, you can enjoy it at very low speed.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Apparently, that's.

• 43:08Matt Farah?

  That makes sense. And the, you know, the reason it will do 190. It doesn't have a crazy high red line. I think the red line might be seventy-five-hundred, which is fine, but just not crazy. It has a pretty relaxed sixth gear. So, which actually, the part of what one of the drawbacks from yesterday's driving the Gunther is it does not have a relaxed sixth gear. Eighty miles an hour in sixth gear in that car's like forty-two-hundred RPM. So that's a, it's a car that's only geared out to probably a hundred and seventy, a hundred and eighty miles an hour, even at a thousand horsepower. So, I think having, as coming from experience with my own pink car, having a relaxed sixth

• 43:52Matt Farah?

  gear is important for these types of cars because you're gonna wanna drive them on a road trip, or if the track is two hours away, or your vacation house, or what the fuck ever, a road rally, you know, if you wanna do something with it, you need to be able to go on a fairly relaxed highway drive.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, which I'll be doing in the Manks soon. Can't wait. I'm gonna, I should take a weekend road trip in the Manks.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  Should.

• 44:17Matt Farah?

  Once I have highway. I've asked Manks to give me some photos, updates.

• 44:24Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Graham Ray Hall and his team at GRP, Davis, Nick, those guys, Jenna, I believe, was the woman who manages Wheelhouse, their social club. Lovely people, extremely professional operation. They got a lot of cool shit in there. They got a lot of fucking dope shit.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  And a nice, really nice PPF shop as well, and it seems like they service all manner of exotic car down there as well, which is pretty cool. Seems like it was pretty much the only thing to do in Indianapolis, I hate to say.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Service exotic cars?

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  No, just people were hanging out, just people were hanging out there. I mean, we were, we were there a bunch, and a bunch of people were hanging out. It was a cool spot. Update from Matt Quick, Quick Classics, Memphis, not Memphis, Jesus Christ, I'm sorry, Nashville, Tennessee.

• 45:18Matt Farah?

  He found, he said, the dreaded cracked coolant O-ring. So apparently there is some kind of O-ring in a coolant channel. And it's a fairly common failure in these E55 engines. This metal O-ring cracks and coolant passes through and ends up somewhere it's not supposed to be. It's not a fatality for the engine or anything like that. But it means he had to tear further into the engine than

• 45:52Speaker 01

  To replace this ring.

• 45:53Matt Farah?

  To replace whatever the damage is from that and replace the, replace this thing. And I said, okay, well, how big of a shit show is it? He said, one extra day and a $15 part. And I said, great, I'm sorry for your, I'm sorry for your work, but. And I said, once it's fixed, is it like a Porsche IMS where it's fixed and it's kind of fixed for life? This is, you replace it with a better quality one? He goes, yeah, you're, you know, you're good for 30 years after this.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 46:18Matt Farah?

  And I say, anything else crazy in there? He said, nothing, nothing new yet. But he's, you know, he's rebuilding the engine. It's not just fucking yank it out and drop it into my car and cool it runs, so. So that'll be, that's nice. He also said that the standard shock absorbers that they use for E500s don't actually fit my car because the pickup points are slightly different, even though we're going to do the wide body. They don't, yeah, because you know, the E500's front end, engine compartment, front of the windshield, the 400 and the 500 were a different size.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:57Matt Farah?

  To accommodate the V8. So the pickup points are slightly different. So he said, not to worry. There is a company that makes an equivalent shock for this specific purpose. I forget what the brand was, I had never heard of it, but he said he's just going to get those.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  He said, you know, I was like. You know, fucking sorry it's not, you know, straightforward. He's like, oh dude, this is, this is not a big deal. He's like, if it's not something, it's something else. There's always, always a little adventure in the build.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I mean, it's, he's probably dealt with enough of this stuff.

• 47:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's dealt with 50 of these things.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  It's not, oh man, you know, you hold it up and he, he didn't go, oh shit.

• 47:35Matt Farah?

  No.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  He just knew.

• 47:36Matt Farah?

  It's not that. It's just that, the thing.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:39Matt Farah?

  Upon, upon looking, the thing is broken as, as, as easily possible. So shout out to Matt Quick. Uh, at some, I was, fuck, I was gonna go, I was like, a day from buying the plane ticket to go to Nashville, to see the, him in the car and do the podcast with him. And then that weekend, Ferrari, it's, I don't know why it's on the weekend, but that weekend I have to fly to Italy, uh, to Tenerife for Ferrari. And like, not, not, oh woe is me. It just means I can't be in Tennessee.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:10Matt Farah?

  But, uh, so that's cool. And, uh,

• 48:13Speaker 01

  What if they transport you from the airport to the drive in Tenerife in Luches? I could see that happening. I'm gonna, I'll put $10, says that that'll happen.

• 48:26Matt Farah?

  Did they pick us up and use them as airport shuttles?

• 48:30Matt Farah?

  Shit, I, I mean, I mean, at 10 bucks, sure, but any bigger than that, I'm not sure I'd wanna bet against that.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  I feel that's an uncontrolled launch. Meaning like, you know, launches, they'll be very curated for who they bring and what they do with it. So they, they're probably, that would not be the smartest move strategically. Cause you're all there to drive a super sports car.

• 48:48Matt Farah?

  We're there to drive something else.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  And then they're like, hey, you wanna get a ride in this? So actually I retract.

• 48:52Matt Farah?

  I think it could be a vibe, but I don't think they will just yet. I think they will. I don't know what they're gonna decide will be the perfect environment for launching this vehicle, but I imagine it will be not while you're there to drive something else.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably not.

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  So, we'll see. I was thinking about this. I think, do we, I mean, we talked about it in the last show, but I, Mark Newsom's aesthetics and talents. Really lend themselves well to objects that are for the masses and like, cause it's, it's very, it's curvy, it's approachable, it's friendly. His object, his, the stuff he designs doesn't scream exclusivity, even when it is expensive. And I think in the context of a car, you know, this design looks like a car for normal people. It doesn't look like a car that's a super exclusive and exotic car. But his aesthetic is, is

• 49:54Matt Farah?

  really more every man type stuff. I mean, Johnny Ive too. Johnny Ive designs consumer products that are, they're high end, but they're for everybody. iPods and iPads and headphones and computers, like, regular people buy that shit. Like, and Mark Newsen, now, cause I was looking at, you know, I'm getting my iQopod watch service, and he lives at Mike at Marina Bay Watch Company, so sending me photos of the movement out of the case and stuff. It's pretty cool. But, um, and I'm such a huge fan of Mark Newsen, but a lot of his designs are, are, are, really have the appearance of being approachable, friendly goods, even on the occasion that they are exclusive goods. You know, they're

• 50:37Matt Farah?

  colorful and, and, and curvy, and, uh, it's, it seems, even though he's done like a couple yachts and stuff.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  I was wondering if that's his boat or?

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  I don't think it's his boat. I think he has done design elements for, for boats before, but that's, that was just my secondary pondering on the Luchè.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Gotcha. Well, I think the most watched video on social media right now about it is the Angela's Death Highway. It had like, it had 4.7 million views last night, and it was double what Ferrari's official unveiling Instagram video had, where the, and that was the video where they had, um, Lewis Hamilton and, uh, Charles Leclerc like, you know, unveil it and talk about it. They're, they're grasping for straws.

• 51:19Matt Farah?

  Ferrari's video, they had them do it? Oh my God, imagine being Lewis.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  I mean, what Lewis said in the video, it was, uh, he's like, well, the shifter's really cool. He's like, I like the glass shifter.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  That's the best you got?

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Real specific.

• 51:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  So, um.

• 51:34Matt Farah?

  That's funny. I did actually watch the AI one, and I did not watch Ferrari's official launch video.

• 51:42Matt Farah?

  Uh, so yeah, that was, uh, that was cool. Um, but, uh, the Taycan is fixed, back from service.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  That is such a nice car.

• 51:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you, you drove it, uh, yesterday and, uh, for filming and I drove it today and yeah, the steering is fixed. Just, it was a little bit off with that, with the steering and it turns out, control arms.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  The steering in it is, oh, it always surprises me how heavy it is compared to every other Porsche I've driven. It's the only thing about the car, but everything about it, it's like, it's so comfortable and quick and quiet, visibly, like, that is a great used buy.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  I mean, you knew that, but like, anybody out there who's buying a used EV?

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and they're even cheaper, like, right now, they're even cheaper. Like, I saw, I saw of, uh, a Cross Series 4S, um, with, with Performance Battery Plus and, uh, mileage in between what mine has now and where I bought it at, I saw it sell on Cars and Bids or something for less than I paid for mine and it was in a better color.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 52:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, they're, they're out there, dude. Get yourself a fucking, especially, uh, I mean, that one was the same year as mine, a 23, but, but, but 23 and up, um, is the shit.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  But, that part, that-

• 52:54Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry, is mine a 22? I think mine's a 20, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Mine is a 22 and it's totally fine. Um, the 23 had some updates, which made them even better, but, um, yeah, anyway, 22 and up is the shit.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  I think that car's price highlights what you've said, though, that the EVs will continue to decline in value, cause this is better in every way and yet still cheaper with, you know, has the right miles and all that stuff, but yeah, people just-

• 53:18Matt Farah?

  I mean, it'll, it'll, it will depreciate, but like, the, the, the interesting game for me is, buy how much?

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:27Matt Farah?

  I mean, cause I spent very little to fill it up, I mean, very little, um, especially cause half the time I charge it here, which is a, which is a business expense as opposed to a personal expense, cha-ching.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, and then I, you know, it cost me nothing to service it, um-

• 53:45Speaker 01

  I think it's will it depreciate more quickly than if you had a car payment on something newer?

• 53:51Matt Farah?

  Well, like yeah, my my general figure for the last like, I don't know, however many years, I'm I'm generally okay, spending or losing $10,000 a year on a daily driver car. Total, like whether when it was a gas car or or an electric car, whatever, like that's just been the amount that I'm okay with taking on.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:14Matt Farah?

  And my my normal game is is just can I beat that metric? With the Bentley, I beat it. I beat it by a lot with the Bentley. Uh, that and the reason is like, that's what it cost me to lease the Mach-E for three years. Like, that's when I came to that realization with the amount I'm okay with. Do you have an amount you're okay with, although it was just? Oh, like?

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Well, I was I was looking at the national average for car purchases 50 grand. And if most cars, you know, colloquially colloquially lose, what 20% in the first year of ownership when you buy it, like, that's 10 grand. So that's what I was curious about, like, people might hear, oh, man, you're losing 10 Gs a year. And you go, actually, think about everyone who bought a new car. They've all probably lost about that much money in the first year of ownership.

• 55:01Matt Farah?

  Well, it's 10 Gs a year is like 700 bucks a month.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 55:04Matt Farah?

  It's that that's like, pretty much what you're where you're at. And and many, many people are spending that. So like, that's the number I'm okay spending. The Bentley only cost me fucking like $340 a month. It was awesome.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good math.

• 55:18Matt Farah?

  That was great math.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  That's very good math.

• 55:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So like, I I don't know what the Taycan will cost. I mean, I'm gonna fucking, I'm gonna slang it when we're done with it. I'm gonna fucking let it fly, no reserve. Let's see what happens like, I don't know.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:31Matt Farah?

  I don't, I think that car will lose.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  10K a year?

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Well, that's right. Because the other thing is, will it can, will it lose 10K a year? Whereas a lot of new cars, it's 10K and then they slow a bit, you know? They're kind of, they bought them earlier for a while.

• 55:46Matt Farah?

  Well, this thing will hit, it'll hit, there's a floor, right? If it runs and drives, like, there's a, there is a floor. It's, it might be less than I want it to be, but like, you see, early Model S's and stuff will still sell for 15 grand.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:00Matt Farah?

  You know, so, so there is a floor.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  If, if this car one day is $30,000, that would be-

• 56:06Matt Farah?

  That's a possibility.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Be wild. I'd want to buy one then.

• 56:08Matt Farah?

  You want to buy it, you want to buy it if it gets to 30?

• 56:11Speaker 01

  I thought, when I was driving yesterday, I was like, I should buy this when he's done with it. And I was like, I can't just, like, keep getting the leftovers. I shouldn't, it just feels weird. Too much copy trading.

• 56:19Matt Farah?

  Who would you, yeah, but who, wouldn't you, who would you rather buy a car from than me?

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Oh, nobody. Like, you and Musto are the people I would buy cars from without asking any question.

• 56:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 56:30Matt Farah?

  Well, if, if it turns out we need the tow vehicle, and there's still like, you know, two years of warranty left on this, that's when you should buy.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:40Matt Farah?

  Not when it's, not when I fully exhaust the warranty and you just get to roll the dice on nothing.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 56:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you shouldn't do that.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  It's really nice, man. And I, I saw a white, a white Turbo passed me on the highway the other day. I actually thought it was you because I had a goatee. But what tipped me off, or sorry, what I, what also hinted that it was you is it had the paint matched, like, skirts.

• 56:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, it did?

• 57:00Speaker 01

  And I was like, but it was a, it was a Turbo S, right? Didn't that come with it?

• 57:03Matt Farah?

  All Turbos came with painted wheel arches, but they were all painted black. So if this person had them painted white, they did it, they did it custom.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 57:13Matt Farah?

  So that's cool.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it looked, it looked like it helped so much.

• 57:16Matt Farah?

  Maybe they, that dude saw mine and went, oh, that's a good idea.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 57:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because you can buy the arches in primer from Porsche. So you can, you can change any wagon one into body match. You just got to do it. Got to order the parts.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Dude, it's, they're nice. It's a really-

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  What a great, it's the best daily ever.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  It's amazing how nice those fucking things are. I mean, fucking great, great car.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:41Matt Farah?

  Especially like, when, you know, after, after driving a car that just beats the absolute piss out of you all day, getting in that to go to dinner? Clutch.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was a little bit of an old man. You're like, do you want to drive the Gunther home? I was like, no, I'll drive the Taycan. But I also appreciate the simplicity of its cruise control stock because the Aston, it's like,

• 58:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, no.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  It was, even after spending six hours in it, I was kind of annoyed with the operation.

• 58:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it has good radar cruise control.

• 58:14Matt Farah?

  By the way, quick sidebar before we get to the people. But I tried, you know, you know that fucking, I hate to even reference this guy because he's such a fucking dickbag. But that Dave Portnoy guy from Barstool, he does his like pizza reviews.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 58:30Matt Farah?

  Um, look, credit where it's due. The guy's eating a lot of pizza. Game respects.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  He knows his pizza.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  Game respects game in that regard and regardless of what I think about his views on almost anything else. So he said the best pizza in LA was this place Appolonia's in Crenshaw. So last night I was, I had a very stressful day after the shoot. So many things to do. I was fucking overwhelmed. And I was like, I just needed a little, some comfort. Hannah's like, let's try that place. So actually they don't do delivery. So Thaddeus was on his way back from work. So I was like, hey, we're buying you dinner. Fucking swing by, we're placing an order, pick it up. Dude, we got three pies for three people.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  We did not finish them.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 59:12Matt Farah?

  But, but that place was fucking fire.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  No way.

• 59:17Matt Farah?

  So fire.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  What's it called?

• 59:18Matt Farah?

  Appolonia's. I'm gonna make myself, my life worse by telling even more people about it. The fact that you have to pick it up and it's in Crenshaw is gonna stop a lot of people from going. But it was derouche.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 59:30Matt Farah?

  And if like, you know, we don't eat, I don't know about you, but I don't eat a lot of pizza anymore. I've pretty much cut.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:37Matt Farah?

  Anything south of very special pizza for my diet. This is the once a quarter that's probably worth it.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  Nice. Yeah, that's not, not close to here at all.

• 59:46Matt Farah?

  It was expensive.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Really?

• 59:49Matt Farah?

  Expensive.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Wow. Like even compared to like.

• 59:52Matt Farah?

  A pie, like what you, what you would call, the only size they make. They make one size.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Your hands are very far apart.

• 59:57Matt Farah?

  It was a big pie.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  That's a huge pizza.

• 59:59Matt Farah?

  It was a large pizza.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like a New York large pizza size. That's, they're not making individual pans.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  Although I think if you go there, you can get slices. But like, a large pie, it's like $40.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:00:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Expensive.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:00:14Matt Farah?

  Expensive.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Very expensive.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  But it's high quality. Cause then, cause we've gone to like, uh, what's the place downtown? The ones in Arizona, there's sister stores downtown.

• 1:00:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, Bianco.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Like, that pizza's amazing. They're small, but those are just 26 bucks.

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  So this is like, if you expand that quality outward, it'll cost $40.

• 1:00:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This is halfway between a New York style and a Bianco. It's Bianco toppings on a New York style executed crust.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:00:42Matt Farah?

  It's fire.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  You must have so much leftover pizza.

• 1:00:46Matt Farah?

  We do.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Cause none of you eat large quantities of food.

• 1:00:49Matt Farah?

  No, we have a full fucking pie that has from all three pies. And Thad took home a full pie from all three pies. Between the three of us, we ate one pie from the three. And we reassembled two other ones and he took one home and we took one home. For real. We, we didn't know how much we, we just, it only comes in one size and we wanted to try three. I'm so proud of us for eating as little of it as we did, to be honest with you. You know what I mean?

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Matt Farah?

  That old fucking five years ago, me, I would have crushed a pie to the face, dude.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Cause it's just so good.

• 1:01:19Matt Farah?

  It was delicious.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Matt Farah?

  I stopped at, at three slices. Couldn't believe it. One from each pie.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:01:25Matt Farah?

  Who am I? Fuck is this guy? Not eating all the pizza.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Cause you don't want to feel disgusting the next day.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Or an hour after.

• 1:01:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but it was half a bottle of wine and a fucking, after that, I still stopped at three.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Oh, well, yeah, but you were never a, a weed munchies. You were drunk munchies.

• 1:01:39Matt Farah?

  No, no, drunk munchies, for sure.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  You know, some wine, not all the wine.

• 1:01:43Matt Farah?

  We, uh, we became, uh, we joined the Fox and Wine Club. Fox and Vineyards on Fox and Canyon Road outside of, uh, Los Olivos. It's a fucking fabulous, um, so much good wine across the spectrum. So we like going there. It's like two and a half hours or so. It's a good overnight, good fucking, and, and we joined their club. So we got some good shit. Come drink some.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:02:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, let's go to the people. Patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire Podcast is where it all goes down. I hope you guys got the, uh, BTS pod with me and Spike Ferriston that's up there right now. A little bonus show for you. And, uh, if you want to ask questions for the live show, if you want to watch the live show or listen to it, get the show, uh, the day it's recorded rather than, excuse me, rather than. Later in the week, if you want to get extra show, if you want to get the show without ads, and if you want to get access to exclusive merch collabs and partnerships, oh my god, and we have the new one coming up. Me and Zach got the photos, the photos of the prototype of the next thing we're gonna have for you guys is fucking awesome.

• 1:02:49Matt Farah?

  Have we said what it is yet?

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  No, we should wait, I think. No, we hinted, and we put up some photos on Instagram a little while ago.

• 1:02:56Matt Farah?

  We did?

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Well, in stories, so they're gone.

• 1:02:58Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Matt Farah?

  It's clothing, but it's not like merch.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's fucking awesome clothing. It's something that's really cool, that I'm gonna wear.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  In a sea of, would you like to buy this car themed shirt?

• 1:03:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  This is not that.

• 1:03:13Matt Farah?

  It isn't that at all.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's, there's almost nothing car related about it, but it's fucking sweet. Except, I'll tell you what will be, it'll be the perfect thing to wear whether you're going to Car Week or to the Woodward Dream Cruise.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:03:30Matt Farah?

  That's your tease. Let's talk to the people. Fucking Broken BMW Apologist has many words. Oh, it is losing your company car and needs a new daily with a couple days a week in the office, maybe. It's a 90 minute drive from your house, from Bergen County, New Jersey to southern Connecticut just past Bridgeport. Holy shit, dude. First off, I don't know if you go there much, but don't stop in Bridgeport. Secondly, done directly, that's a fucking horrid drive. That's a terrible drive. You're driving on some really shitty tarmac.

• 1:04:14Matt Farah?

  You're driving, you're driving straight, you're driving in the corridor that I spent my entire first 25 years of my life driving. That is a fucking garbage drive. Now, you can make it fun. And I recommend, I mean, if you're a fu- I recommend, I really recommend going north from Bergen County, New Jersey, going across the Bear Mountain Bridge, as opposed to going across the Tappan Zee Bridge, which is gone and now I think called the fucking Mario Cuomo Bridge, but don't go across that bridge, don't go across the George Washington Bridge, go all the way north and go across the Bear Mountain Bridge, and that will be a beautiful drive. Now, if you, and I, the reason I say that is because I know at the end you're

• 1:04:55Matt Farah?

  talking about a four-door sporty sedan. If you take the highways, the tarmac is garbage. You want like a used Trackhawk, seriously, or a rally car. But it says, "The Aston Martin Rapid is piquing my interest." If that's the case,

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Brave.

• 1:05:14Matt Farah?

  You best be going north on Seven Lakes Drive and taking the Bear Mountain Bridge across because you need good roads for that. So for 50,000 bucks, four doors, and automatic, what would you buy?

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  Well, are the roads garbage? Because are they cracked up?

• 1:05:31Matt Farah?

  It's just bad northeast tarmac.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:34Matt Farah?

  There's some good, there's some beautiful driving backroads, but the commute that he's talking about, if you go shortest possible, will take you from Bergen County, which is northern New Jersey, the other side of the George Washington Bridge, that's Bergen County. You're either gonna go over the George Washington Bridge, across the Cross Bronx Expressway, and just 95 the whole way. That is 40 miles of hellaciously awful tarmac.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Okay, so you need probably smaller wheels, some sidewall, and soft suspension, not sport suspension, like?

• 1:06:07Matt Farah?

  Like you want a rally car, like literally, like as close to rally car as you can get is where you want to be. So like, maybe that means like... Uh, like an Audi Allroad with like some OZ rally wheels and some cool meaty tires or something, or maybe that means like a Macan. Actually, a Macan, a Macan on small rally wheels would be, that would be perfect. That's where you want to live right here, is an old Macan S, six cylinder, CPO, that you can put some meaty tires on that will handle those roads.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  That's such a good car.

• 1:06:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  For so many things and especially this.

• 1:06:49Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, it's not the cool, I mean, what they said like-

• 1:06:53Matt Farah?

  You can make a Macan cool.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  No, you can't. And you, you need the custom wheels because they want the daycare drop-off factor. Also, your kids are so young that any car will probably look cool to them.

• 1:07:02Matt Farah?

  Dude, make your Macan into a rally car.

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Matt Farah?

  Little, some cool wheels, some cool lights, dude, maybe wrap it in like an interesting way that your kids will think it, make it feel like race car, a cool like rack on the roof or something like that, you know? Make it like a all-season sort of fun utility vehicle kind of thing.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Get a blue one and get like the white OZ.

• 1:07:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Rally wheels.

• 1:07:25Matt Farah?

  That's what, that's the right car for that type of area. You don't want a, a sports sedan for that type of commute. But yeah. Um, enjoy the backroads, um, on the weekends though. Listen and sometimes watch says, are there any automatic transmission cars that truly feel special? Uh, my first thoughts are the, the Mercedes's from the mid 2000s and the, the DCT.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Those feel special for a bad reason.

• 1:07:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I think there are, if you can have good control manually over your gears, then an automatic is like, fine. Like, so BMW's DCT is like, great. I mean, really great, actually. Like, I like a manual because I like to do the thing, but there ain't nothing wrong with BMW's DCT. Nothing at all. It's snappy and-

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  There's also, I think, the whole like, does it feel special? Is it paired with an engine that you enjoy shifting or want to control? And so that's a, a big thing. Like, the ZF8 Speed is in, whatever, 80,000 different cars. But when I drive, uh, like a Charger Hellcat or a Charger 392 with it, I'm controlling the volume of this awesome soundtrack and then I have a really good time. So that to me feels like an auto that's special because I think the car is really fun.

• 1:08:42Matt Farah?

  I mean, there's, if we, if we're talking about- Newer cars. There's a whole bunch of automatic cars that are special. Like.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  The newer C63S. Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah.

• 1:08:54Matt Farah?

  Yes, the Valhalla is very special with an automatic.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  But he didn't say mid 2000, so I guess that's like 2005, 6, 7.

• 1:09:05Matt Farah?

  Slush boxes make it hard. They really do make it hard for a car to feel special.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  They do. Audis felt special because of the plus minus little shifter thing. I think they were the only company to have that for a long, long time. So to me, that felt really special. You know, they had that brushed aluminum like console and you move it over and suddenly you're an S. Oh my God, I was so excited as a Veyron.

• 1:09:26Matt Farah?

  An S, bro. Uh, Luke, Bentleys and Rolls Royces, I mean, go drive a Phantom and tell me that's not special. You know, there's a, there's plenty of cars for which not shifting gears is an asset, not a liability.

• 1:09:41Matt Farah?

  Borsco is seven years ago. Oh, bravo. I do love that. For $70,000.

• 1:09:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, do I get a used Mercedes AMG GTS? A C8 Corvette or something else I haven't thought of? Something that will be more of a GT car than a track weapon?

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  This is a, for me, this is a very tough comparison because I think that generation of AMG GT looks great inside and out. It's fun to drive. Like, it, sitting inside it looks like a much more expensive car. It's so cool. It's like jet age, those HVAC controls and everything.

• 1:10:22Matt Farah?

  They look good parked up, too.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  They look good parked.

• 1:10:24Matt Farah?

  So great curb appeal.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  But the C8, as a GT car, like as a road trip car, is one of the most comfortable, I think, period. If you get the, like with Mag Ride and everything, and the ride is great because it's mid-engine, like, it rides so well, but I don't really want to look at it. So I would go with the GTS, but it's really close.

• 1:10:44Matt Farah?

  I mean, other things you're not considering, I mean, there is a $70,000 911 for you somewhere. I mean, that's, you could get, if you, if you care. I mean, you can get a 20, a 991. Carrera cab or Carrera S cab for 70K that will be built very well and have a PDK gearbox and a good amount of power, naturally aspirated engine will sound really nice.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  It'll sound fine.

• 1:11:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sound nice. It won't be like, huh?

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  Flat six.

• 1:11:14Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  I just don't think they sound that interesting, but that's just me.

• 1:11:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but I mean, it'll sound pleasant.

• 1:11:21Matt Farah?

  So there's that. There's also, you know, your front engine Corvettes. 70K might get you like a fucking Z06, a C8 Z06 or something.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, or a C7 Grand Sport. The best one ever.

• 1:11:34Matt Farah?

  C7 Grand Sport, yeah. Did I say C8 Z06s? I meant C7 Z06, but also C7 Grand Sport is a delight. And by the way, sidebar, WCCS is about to put a blue, white, C7 Grand Sport on Bat. Automatic, it's an automatic, which maybe you want, maybe you don't, but, but it is going on Bat very soon and we just detailed it and it looks really nice.

• 1:12:01Matt Farah?

  One more thought for a GT car.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  We talk about it a lot. Vantage S.

• 1:12:09Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Could do that.

• 1:12:10Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Ask some Vantage S.

• 1:12:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, used Vantage is where it's at. They're lovely. Merkin Ball Run says, can the Nismo Z overcome the Altima image? I don't, I think those are different compartments.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:12:23Matt Farah?

  I don't think, I don't think anybody in the real world is, is, is, is using the Altima stereotypes on people that are driving Nismo Z's. I don't think so.

• 1:12:37Matt Farah?

  Cameron Fry's Regrettable Kick says, based on the ownership of your Taycan, best cool dad wagons at 25K, 50K and 75K. 25K, you might be able to get a 2016 Volvo S6, a V60 Polestar.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  That's my dad's wagon. Literally, it's his dad, my dad's wagon.

• 1:13:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  That's a great wagon. They look really good.

• 1:13:03Matt Farah?

  V60R Polestar.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Built so well.

• 1:13:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, my wife had one, I mean, it was, I think, 55,000 bucks new. I think, I think, we saw one at, where was I? You were there? When we, oh, no, when we, when I filmed. Whatever I was doing, the zinger at Willow, there was a bit, there was like a big track day on Big Willow, and a guy was in the, in the advanced group mobbing a white V60 Polestar.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  Whoa, he probably had the Polestar with the Olin's.

• 1:13:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, the one with the Olin's. You might be able to get that for 25 grand now. Those are, it's not like those are fucking gonna hold value forever.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 1:13:44Matt Farah?

  And the big brakes, those were dope.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, 50K.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  CTSV wagon? Have they gone up from that?

• 1:13:51Matt Farah?

  You might, probably, yeah, one with an automatic, for sure.

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  That, that's.

• 1:13:56Matt Farah?

  If you get a manual, you might be able to get a manual for 50, but I, I, it would be, it would be heavily used, but.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  That's okay.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  There's also, there's gonna be an E63 wagon at that price point, you know? 75K, Taycan 4S Cross Tresmo in a great color.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:14:14Matt Farah?

  Maybe, you're not, probably not a GTS Sport Tresmo, but Cross Tresmo in a good color, yeah. Uh, Rolex LT Larry King Ranch says, "I had a Fiesta ST and now a Beetle 1.8T. What are some good options for a fun commuter car with twisty roads the entire way? That are small handle, handle well are manual and not a Fiesta? As I want a little more refinement, 20K budget, not afraid of miles or working on stuff." I mean, that's a GTI. You've just described the GTI.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:14:46Matt Farah?

  There are any number of GTIs at 20,000 bucks. That's.

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  Choose your mark.

• 1:14:50Matt Farah?

  They're all, yeah.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  From one to seven, basically. Maybe one to six.

• 1:14:54Matt Farah?

  One to seven point, is a 7.5 haptic or non-hap- when do they go haptic? Eight or 7.5?

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  I think 7.5, but I just meant for 20 grand. I don't know if you get a used one for, let's see.

• 1:15:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would, I would buy whatever the nicest GTI is that you can afford for that money. You know?

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree. They're great.

• 1:15:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, I mean, you could also maybe get a Focus ST. Not maybe, you can definitely get a Focus ST for 20 grand, but I'd probably rather have the GTI.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  If you already have a Fiesta, so many of the controls are gonna look the same in the Focus and the Fiesta. Like, you're just gonna feel like you're in a bigger version of the same car.

• 1:15:31Matt Farah?

  I like her rims. I'm glad she ADAS. That's funny. Uh, just starting to get into watches and you, I've said that car themed watches are often corny. I get the wheel rim patterns and carbon fiber have the subtlety of a Monster Energy tattoo. Yeah. Can you offer up a couple of car adjacent watches that are not a Speedmaster, Showpardon, Millimilia, or Tag something under 100K automatic?

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Under 1K.

• 1:15:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, excuse me, 1K. The obvious one is the Autodromo. Autodromo Group B is like 900 bucks. That's to me

• 1:16:10Matt Farah?

  the, the closest you can really get without being corny. Like, what I'm really trying to say with all of that is you really shouldn't buy car themed watches. Like, you just kind of shouldn't.

• 1:16:23Matt Farah?

  I mean, if you really, really need the crossover, yeah, how much is, how much is that?

• 1:16:30Matt Farah?

  I purchased it, I purchased it used, okay. I think these are, yeah, 600 to 1,000 bucks. So, these are, these are generally accepted as being car adjacent without being car, too, too car on the nose.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, outside a car, if you hadn't told me this, I saw this on somebody, I would just think that they're into like art, you know, especially with this color. It's like a, you know, baby blue with pink dials.

• 1:16:57Matt Farah?

  They make some other ones that are more obvious racing livery colors. Um, Hodinki gave me one that was the, um, the martini livery. So it was like pretty obvious.

• 1:17:10Matt Farah?

  But like, you just shouldn't, because they're, they're pretty much all corny. Uh, there's a company, alright, I think this company is called Rec, R-E-C. And this is another company where, and I don't want to shit on them. It's not my, it's not my bag, but they take pieces of a crashed car and integrate them into the watch. Now- Typically, do you have some, do you have a?

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:40Matt Farah?

  So they typically, they don't make the watch really look too much like the car. But like they, it's, it's, it's, it's got little bits in it and, and, and. I mean, maybe if there's a car that you, that is really, really, really, really, really special and you happen to love the design of the watch, I would not talk you out of buying this. But there, they've had a PR company approach me a couple of times about, do I want to be sponsored by them? Or do a watch with them or something? And it's, it's too on the nose for me. There's just so many good watches that if you like cars and you like watches, they don't, the watch doesn't need to be related to the car. Everyone gets that cars and watches are the same shit.

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  You go to Cars and Coffee, you talk about each other's watches. The people's watches aren't themed like their cars. It's a separate conversation that happens between the same type of people.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's plenty of crossover.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  That's just my opinion. If you want to get one of these, like, go for it. I'm not going to come like, make fun of you to your face. But like, in general, I'm saying you just shouldn't buy car-themed watches. I blow horns. Best handling car with a solid rear axle that you've driven?

• 1:18:53Matt Farah?

  Well, that, that Bora Motorworks touring car thing I just drove the other day. Had a solid rear axle with a watts length. It was amazing. I've driven a couple of great Mustangs that have handled nice.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  The Boss 302?

• 1:19:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the Boss 302.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  The mid-teens one was fantastic. That car just drove great, great steering, great everything, really.

• 1:19:12Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty sure I've driven a couple of race cars that had solid rear axles too, that were decent.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  I'm sure you have, yeah.

• 1:19:21Matt Farah?

  The Boss 302 Laguna Seca comes to mind as for, as for production cars.

• 1:19:29Matt Farah?

  Those handled great.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  I love that car.

• 1:19:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's a nice sized car. It's, that's a really good, like, overall thing.

• 1:19:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And you know, the difference between a live axle and a independent rear suspension only really comes into play when the road is bumpy.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:48Matt Farah?

  If you're on a track, it's been proven over and over that a solid axle Mustang can put down a fucking hell of a time. As long as the, it's not somewhere that's super, super bumpy or where the curbing really comes into play.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  If you're using a lot of curbing, you'll notice it. I, I felt that at Sonoma. I was like, oh, there's the live axle. But otherwise, when you're staying on the actual tarmac, it's great and really talkative and easy to manage.

• 1:20:11Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  I, yeah, love it.

• 1:20:13Matt Farah?

  Tappan Zee's nuts. I didn't, I, I guess someone wrote that before I even talked about the Tappan Zee Bridge. Uh, in a, in a pre, okay.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Oh, this was, uh, would we ever, you know, they asked this, so you, they asked if we'd ever go up the canyons and do a, record a podcast while watching people drive, specifically in the sections where we've seen all the double passing. And we might do it once.

• 1:20:38Matt Farah?

  Like live sports commentary?

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Exactly, on, on all of the, the bad driving. I mean, on the one hand, like, if something happens, are we making content about something, you know, uh, some sort of travesty? But it's a lot more effort to drive up the canyons and set everything up than it is to come and sit here in the studio. So maybe we'll do it once.

• 1:20:58Matt Farah?

  I also,

• 1:21:01Matt Farah?

  I, I worry it could seem like glorifying it. I worry it could, like, the, the, being up there,

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  it's a fragile ecosystem. Right? It's a public resource, public roads. Yes, people still gather a little bit at the top of the Snake on Sundays. It's open. People gather at the old place. People are around. People go to Good Vibes. But like, and we film up there, but like when it's quiet, I just, I don't, something irks me about doing that. It just doesn't like feel right. It feels like it could be misconstrued as glorifying it.

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  Or like profiting off of, and I think this person was talking about the area where we watched the Palmdale 500, not even, you know, the car folks going up there to kind of get away.

• 1:21:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, you mean that, they mean that.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  They mean that.

• 1:21:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, I'll tell you what, I'd be like so much more likely to do that than I would to be up there fucking careoning on people doing double yellow passes in GT3s.

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  No, because this person we DM'd later after one of the shows, and it's about that area.

• 1:22:16Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  What I'll say to that is, that window of time is about 40 minutes, and then it's dead quiet.

• 1:22:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  So you'd get at best, I don't know, five minutes of interesting driving among 40.

• 1:22:29Matt Farah?

  I mean, you'd get a couple.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  You'd get a couple.

• 1:22:31Matt Farah?

  You'd get a couple. Morally, I feel a lot better about doing that than I do about sitting up in the social elements of the, of being in the canyons and causing some kind of a scene just by us being there and doing it. You know what I mean? If we were, if we were doing a show at the top of the thing, like that would turn into a thing, and it would become problematic like instantly. But, oh, okay, that's, I'm still a maybe, but I'm more likely to consider it now that I know the context. Sorry. Zing Lifeway. Very good.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Very good.

• 1:23:07Matt Farah?

  Also, what they play when they shoot their missiles at, shoot divergent 3D missiles and stuff. When traveling, what is the watch strategy? Do you wear one or pack multiples? Almost exclusively, I pick one for the whole trip. The only exceptions are like Car Week. That's really the only exception because each night is gonna be an opportunity to fucking do something fun, and it's the only week I care about fashion. Normally, it's not worth thinking about. Pick one for the week. Other people, I know people that fucking bring like a lot of, I know people that travel like four or five watches. That's like, forget the security risk of that. That's like heavy.

• 1:23:50Matt Farah?

  Like that's a five watch thing to travel.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  In the rolly thing?

• 1:23:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the big fucking rolly. That's heavy. Like, what are you doing? Like, um, but I get it why people who wear a lot of watches wanna go, but like, that's one of those things where when I'm on vacation, my time's a little too valuable to think about. Cause I'm not, I'm not worried about my watch getting jacked. I'm worried about me forgetting it somewhere. If I put it in the hotel safe and I forgot to check or it's in the fucking thing or whatever, like, that's way more likely than me actually getting jacked. So, yeah. Gluteus Nissan Maximas.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  I like that one.

• 1:24:30Matt Farah?

  Uh, I also like Nissan Maximas Decimus Meridius.

• 1:24:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, I saw a PZev badge recently and it got me thinking, what's the dumbest marketing badge you've seen or heard of on a car? So many. So many dude. Four-door sports car? Uh, the Maxima one, I mean.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  The Toyota BZ4X. I had to look it up to remind myself what it was, but that badging is just.

• 1:24:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, you, no, I don't, no, no, not the, no, the PZev, it's like additional marketing badging, not just the model name. So like what GM used to put like, you know, tuned port injection or whatever on their car or like, when they first started saying cars that had ABS, there was a big ABS badge on there.

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Advertising the features of the car effectively.

• 1:25:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, there must have been a whole bunch. My favorite is the word "supercharged." Give me all of that. Like the fucking old Pontiacs and stuff, just said "supercharged" on the door, like, yeah, buddy.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Tri-port injection was a thing. Well, the Chevy's had, um, what was it called? It's like triple carburetor stuff?

• 1:25:42Matt Farah?

  How about this? Texas edition. Almost every OEM has a Texas version of their truck that they just sell in Texas.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  And you never see the ads for it until you go there. Yeah, cause why would they?

• 1:25:56Matt Farah?

  Many of the fashion house collabs, we talk about those all the time.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, how about this? How, oh, here we go. On some cars, handling by Lotus.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:26:09Matt Farah?

  Sometimes, hell yeah, brother. Other times, what exactly did Lotus do to this Isuzu Trooper?

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  I, I would say they always improved it. I'm sure if you drove what, what it was before they got there, it was terrible. Yeah.

• 1:26:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they should have put a badge that you should have seen this shit box before, dude.

• 1:26:32Matt Farah?

  Stew Dogg said, did, did Cars and Bids ever follow up with me about the guy who doxed your address when auctioning the NSX? Um, no. Uh, no, they didn't. I don't, I'm glad, that's actually, I think, the first I'm hearing about it. I'm not sure someone did.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  I don't know what it was.

• 1:26:51Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, you, you live in the world, you know, there, there's people that know where I live, you know, there's people that are...

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  They know where you work.

• 1:26:58Matt Farah?

  There's people that know where I work, there's people who know where I live, there's people that, like, I know live in my neighborhood that are fans, you know, and there's, my, uh, my, my, I was very shocked that my address did not get posted on Reddit. When I had the, um, the Alpine in my driveway, somebody just took a photo of it and said, like, spotted this in my neighborhood, and right away, because I post my own driveway on fucking Instagram and shit, people were like, that's Matt Ferris' house, and it was nice of everybody who knew to not say exactly where it was.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  That is good.

• 1:27:39Matt Farah?

  But there's always cars and shit in front of my, like, you're gonna, if you, you, you could probably figure it out if you care. If you're an asshole, you might try to do something with that information. If you're a normal person, you're not gonna do something with that information.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  If you're a normal person and you want to, you know, meet Matt, you can just schedule a tour here at WZZS. Do that. If you, if you show up at the house, you know, like, I figured it out, I wanted to meet you, you're instantly not a friend of the show.

• 1:28:02Matt Farah?

  That ain't gonna work. Yeah, that's not good.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  This man's very good at shooting quail.

• 1:28:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you make an appointment, you make an appointment at the place where I can expect you.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:28:11Matt Farah?

  I'll be real nice to you. Just saying.

• 1:28:16Matt Farah?

  Fisker, I hardly knew her. What would be the best modern replacement for the duffel shuffle Mercury? The duffel shuffle Mercury is the Mercury Mountaineer I had in college that I used to run drugs all over the country. What made that car great was it was, it didn't look like anything on the outside. It was just a black Mercury Villager. And if you're fucking under the age of 30, that's a Ford Explorer with a different grille on it. Slightly nicer leather.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  Which a Ford Explorer would serve the purpose of, you know, you want to be anonymous. I would go Suburban. Cause they'll look, they look nice. Like a Suburban can be driven by a wealthy person or a livery. It can be a chauffeured vehicle.

• 1:29:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, the, the, the, if you're gonna run drugs, I mean, the, the, the most, the best advice I can give you is just to, just, just buy the most boring, invisible, forgettable car that you can find.

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  And then put TV screens in every headrest, which are visible from the back.

• 1:29:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that was different. That was different.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  I was just thinking the fact that a cop would be behind you and just see six TVs lit up and go, hmm.

• 1:29:27Matt Farah?

  They don't really do that anymore. Um, no, and, and yeah, I mean, now they have podcasts for that, you know, just buy, buy something boring and fuel efficient, um, and, and drive the goddamn speed limit. I mean, you know, that's be, be and just be an invisible person. So I honestly like a Prius. So, you know, or just something that is, or actually one of those, you know, here's one. Take the badges off and tell me the difference between like a BZ4X and a Honda HRV. And of, you know, like those, those weird shaped compact crossovers. Tell me which one is which.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  That is a good point.

• 1:30:05Matt Farah?

  You know, one of those de-badged in, in fucking black, you know, nonchalant.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  I thought I saw a BZ4X yesterday and then when it passed me, it was a Subaru Solara. I went, oh, right.

• 1:30:17Matt Farah?

  Solterra.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Solterra.

• 1:30:18Matt Farah?

  Well, those are platform shared. That's, they're, they're, they're, um, badge made.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  Looked close enough.

• 1:30:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. B M Trouble U says, what cars have not been reimagined yet that you want someone to look into? I'd like to see a Restomod NSX or Hakoska. Someone's just doing it, is doing an NSX. They just announced it.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  Sweet.

• 1:30:40Matt Farah?

  Just Google Restomod NSX. There were stories about it, I don't even think it was a week ago. The NSX.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Oh, the Tensai thing, right, right, right.

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  What's it called? Tensai?

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Tensei. I'm probably mispronouncing that.

• 1:30:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so here is, here we have a, we've gone back to Rec Watches. Yeah, here we go. We've got a Honda NSX Restomod known as Tensai, designed by Pininfarina, built by J A S Motorsport. This NSX revival features beautiful carbon fiber bodywork. I mean, it does look nice. I, this, this is, yeah, look at that. Little C8 Corvette from the side.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  It is indeed. It's a taller greenhouse.

• 1:31:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  And yeah, definitely more C8.

• 1:31:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Interesting, though. I don't hate it. I'd like to see it.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:31:34Matt Farah?

  Pretty cool.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  The lights look like NSX lights.

• 1:31:37Matt Farah?

  You know, Evasive Motorsports built that S2000 Type R.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Matt Farah?

  Which I think is, I haven't got to drive it, but that's on the nose. It's got a Civic Type R engine, a slightly widened body, but in a way that's really, really hides it, actually.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were supposed to drive that like two years ago.

• 1:31:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think they could quite get it running right, and then maybe they got busy or stopped caring, or, I don't know, maybe there's not a business case for it, but that seemed like a really, a really good idea. I think there's a lot of opportunity there, for sure. These Honda people are crazy.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  All car people are crazy.

• 1:32:14Matt Farah?

  No, but like a Honda person, if you did that right, a Honda person would spend $200,000 on that.

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably.

• 1:32:22Matt Farah?

  You know? If you delivered them what was effectively a brand-new car, I think they would, yeah. Obviously, you're not a Golf R.

• 1:32:31Matt Farah?

  Fucking ace, ace dude, that's great. Uh, I mentioned last time, uh, going to business school versus making an allowance of $250,000 worth of mistakes. What were the most painful and or valuable teachable moments you've had in running your business? Oh, man. Uh, the biggest one is probably that we have lost more money with errors in accounting by a lot than we have in damaging cars.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  Wow, really?

• 1:33:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I thought we would damage a lot more cars and have to fix a lot more cars. The truth is that's almost, that's barely happened. Um, not to say it's never happened, but it's really very, very rare and very minor. No one's ever driven a car into something, except the one person who got fired for it. Outside of that guy. No, no, no, but like out, out, that.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  No, I know. But you said it and I was like, I think it happened. And then you were like, it did happen once.

• 1:33:35Matt Farah?

  It happened once and he got fired for it, but, but outside of that, it's been, it's been very minor. But there have been multiple over the course of the business, um, instances of missed billing and or incorrect billing that have, have resulted in a lot of money. And those are, they're way harder to see. They're hard, you gotta, you have to pay attention, like normally you can tell if the car damaged or not.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:34:00Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  And you guys do a really good job of taking photos of the whole car when they come in, when they go out, like it's all documented. So a change in the car's appearance.

• 1:34:08Matt Farah?

  Interestingly, the procedures for documenting the car as it goes in and out, I learned throughout the history of my life, working at the rental company and all this other stuff. I had experience in that. I had no experience in recurring billing transaction. You know what I'm talking about? Like, I didn't go to business school. I went to fucking art school. Even though I have smart, smart people, they're fairly analog systems. And what happens when people have many cars with us, some people have 12 cars, you know, the cars just show up. And maybe this car's at service when this car shows up, but then this car comes back and it doesn't seem like a new car has moved in. And you know, oh my God, now, now three, four months go by or whatever.

• 1:34:53Matt Farah?

  And this isn't fortunately, you know, recent, but, but you were talking about big lessons. Many of those lessons. They don't get discovered for a few months and so you then have to embarrassingly go back to your customer and go can you pay for it? And do that or you know the other way where you didn't return their security deposit or they moved out they didn't tell you and you've been billing them and you have to refund them fucking four or five grand that you didn't know you had to do so. So that's a that's a really big one. And then the other one um was uh

• 1:35:30Matt Farah?

  to hmm hmm.

• 1:35:38Matt Farah?

  I'm trying to think of the other like biggest one because there's a lot of fucking big ones, man. So many were so big uh uh.

• 1:35:51Matt Farah?

  Really study

• 1:35:55Matt Farah?

  how if you're gonna open a physical business. Don't just study how that town relates to the customers you want like I our second store I put in Gardena because it's closer to the South Bay and the beach cities which have a good amount of money and very little space. So and that and I felt that that community was not being served by existing options. That's why it's there. But by specifically putting it in Gardena without researching is Gardena a good place to do business?

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:27Matt Farah?

  I ended up in this shitty mafia fucking government that has like mired me in paperwork for years and years and years and cost me a fortune in not being able to get this next building done and all this other stuff. And if I had a choice, I would have chosen a different literal different fucking city. We're gonna Hawthorne, maybe Torrance, maybe maybe anywhere, but not not what I thought. So I didn't research that side of it. As I was focused solely on the customers. Those two combined are fucking huge. Those are huge mistakes. Other shit has come up that's just

• 1:37:09Matt Farah?

  there was no way you would have known that and here it is. The only way out is through. But these are ones where I was like, okay, probably should have done that. And so never do it again. Yeah, good question, though. Last one and then we'll get out of here. Sheep.

• 1:37:26Matt Farah?

  Okay, good, good name to end on. She put her Volvo on my pole like a star. Perfect. No notes. Uh, I'm of the younger generation that did not grow up with manual transmissions. Is there anywhere in the LA area where I can learn? Uh, would it stick if I don't have a manual to drive regularly? Or should I buy a manual beater? Um, of that note, when the youths get older and start having money to spend on the cars they wanted as kids, do you see the pendulum swinging the other way? For cars being more valuable with the high manual take rate? Okay, two questions. One, there's no better way to learn to drive stick than to just buy a fucking stick car.

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:38:09Matt Farah?

  It doesn't even have to be a beater. I mean, if you want to really commit, just buy a car that's your car that's stick. I mean, that's the best way. If not, a beater is the second best way. Third best way would be to like rent a car on Turo for like a month. You know, like you could probably rent a fairly, what was that, you pick something?

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  I pick something that's bleeding.

• 1:38:31Matt Farah?

  Live, undirect. Uh, yeah, you, you, you can probably rent something for a month. You know, maybe it'll be a thousand bucks or something, but like you don't, you then are not committed past that, you know, so you, you don't have to buy and deal with a car. You could just do that. It would, it's, it would be a few weeks to a few months of driving stick before it would really permanently stick to you.

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's true. Like Sarah, my wife, she rented a Mazda 3, this is years ago on a trip. She rented it, it had a manual and she did it for like two weeks. And she had driven one before, so it came back, but it took like two days to really come back and be easy. And even then, I think it required thought, whereas for you and I, it's like totally subconscious now.

• 1:39:13Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  So to get it to that level where it's pure muscle memory subconscious, and then you could wait five to 10 years and hop in one again and be like, I know how this works.

• 1:39:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  That's gonna take months of daily driving.

• 1:39:24Matt Farah?

  The, the best option is to buy a manual beater or even a manual good car. Like, I think so many people think they're gonna do more damage to a clutch, learning how to drive stick than they really are.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:37Matt Farah?

  Like stalling an engine isn't that bad for it. Riding a clutch a little bit isn't that bad for it.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  As long, yeah, as long as you know that you shouldn't ride it for very long and you're working to minimize that, you'll get through that phase pretty quickly.

• 1:39:51Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  And then it should last you a very long time.

• 1:39:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  Like my first car was a manual. The clutch lasted three years and I drove it shittily and then well and then beat the shit out of it. My current car, I'm at, I've put 60,000 miles on this clutch, including what? Two drift days and a couple of track days.

• 1:40:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  And it's fine.

• 1:40:09Matt Farah?

  Well, the, you know, you have to, fortunately, the only thing I understood from my one semester of engineering school was, the only thing that really stuck to me was thermodynamics. An engine and a car are designed like, they have certain, like, and a clutch have like, there's a temperature where it fails.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Matt Farah?

  Like, I don't know what the temperature of a clutch failure is. Like, let's call it 2,000 degrees, right? I'm just making that up, but maybe you can look up what the temperature is. But you could get it up to 1,997 degrees 150 fucking times. As long as you don't get it past that mark, it'll fail. Like, same with an engine. Like, I used to think that you'd have to, when I was younger, that you didn't want to use the top half of your powerbank because it's not good for your engine, it's gonna get hot, it's gonna wear it out, it's gonna, all this. Well, it turns out that's not the case. The metals and all that, if they are gonna fail at 750 degrees, you could get that motherfucker up to 725, all day, every day, for its entire life, and it will be totally fine.

• 1:41:13Matt Farah?

  But if you get it to 752, it explodes. Like, that's how those things work. And so, the operating range is all the way, even close to the top. So like, same thing as a clutch. Do you have a number for a failure?

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  No, AI said 300 to 500, but I don't trust that.

• 1:41:30Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, whatever it is, so like, when you, if you ride the clutch a bunch, if the normal temperature is 200, and you elevate it to 250, whereas maybe I only elevate it to 220 with experience, right? You're new, you're riding it more, you're elevated to 250, but the fail point is 350, you haven't worn it at all. But if you elevate it to 351, you have completely ruined it in one fucking go. So, like, I probably haven't perfectly explained how those types of thermodynamics work, but like, that's the takeaway. As long as you keep it below that maximum threshold, you're pretty flexible for a pretty long time.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. I did find a stat that top fuel cars, their clutches get up to 1,500 degrees.

• 1:42:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:42:17Matt Farah?

  But like, even, you know, the BMW in endurance racing, like, your full fucking throttle for eight hours. Car's fine. Like, car's totally fine.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  Well, because to your point about thermal management, if you're managing the water temp and the oil temp, that will then keep the metals in the right operational window.

• 1:42:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, even though they're spinning as fast as they will go and flowing as much fuel as you can flow. Crazy, right?

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:41Matt Farah?

  So it's like, yeah, it's not a sliding scale. It's a hard line of it has to stay below this number, and if it does, it's fine. And if it goes over that number, you pretty immediately have a problem.

• 1:42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, or things will start to melt and break down. Where they happen in the engine drivetrain, you don't know. But that's, that's why some of those records, like the Nardo 24-hour, those high-speed records, their average speed records, are impressive because it's a way for them to figure out what will fail at high rates of speed for sustained, you know, for sustained hours.

• 1:43:08Matt Farah?

  When you're learning to drive stick, just, just riding the clutch a little bit, pulling away from a light, like, that's not going to fit. Here's where you, here's where you'll smoke a clutch when you're learning. If you think the right thing to do on an uphill start, because you're afraid of stalling, is to sit there and ride the clutch for 30 seconds, you know what I mean, at 1500 RPM with the clutch halfway in order to hold the car, that is how you will smoke the clutch.

• 1:43:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, because then you're just sitting there, the clutch is just rubbing against the flywheel, it's not catching. And the same thing, and you'll know, like, when you, when you slip the clutch on a hill, the hill is always the scariest thing to do when you're learning to drive manual. The smell will tell you you've done it incorrectly, because you'll ride it too long, then you'll let it out, and the car will smell bad, and you want to try to not do that.

• 1:43:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If that's the case, less revs or a shorter length of time riding the clutch should get you there.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:43:59Matt Farah?

  On a hill, you know, a little revs, you know, a little smell, like, to get it done, you gotta do what you gotta do. You haven't broken the car.

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:06Matt Farah?

  But if you do that too much, you know, then you're gonna have a problem. Uh, that's our show. Thank you, everybody. We appreciate you all very much. We appreciate our patrons for keeping the boat floating down the ocean. Appreciate everyone else for being here as well. Can't wait to share our next collab with you. We're gonna have, we're gonna have it ready to share soon. We're gonna have, we don't have tickets yet for, for Woodward Dream Cruise, but it's happening, I promise. We, and of course, the giveaway for the 911 Turbo S. We're gonna have our next video up with that, where Zach and I drive it to Utah to break it in for you. And make sure you go and get your entries in for that. The game ends on August 20th, I believe. And, uh, yeah, see you next time. Bye.