All New EV C-Class, New Lamborghini Spied, GM Stops Building EV Trucks And More! THIS CAR POD EP108

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  I'm Kenan.

• 0:38Speaker 03

  I'm Felipe.

• 0:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. Let's start with the news. Oh, the big news is the new Mercedes-Benz C-Class, which looks a little droopy in the front.

• 0:47Speaker 03

  There's only the electric C-Class, by the way.

• 0:49Doug DeMuro?

  This is electric only. They haven't announced a non-electric.

• 0:52Speaker 03

  The non-electric remains the same as it currently is. That came out recently.

• 0:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  And the internet is incensed.

• 0:58Speaker 03

  OK, it's not the most visually appealing vehicle from the front.

• 1:03Doug DeMuro?

  It looks like a 280 SE 3.5. It's got a low grill.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  I don't really hate the front. The rear, I know everybody is a little bit more...

• 1:09Speaker 03

  They were going for 1959 Mercedes-Benz W111.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Well...

• 1:14Doug DeMuro?

  That's...

• 1:15Speaker 02

  That is exactly what it looks like.

• 1:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's the car I was talking about. That W111. If that's what they were going for, they hit it.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Look, they nailed it. Look at that thing.

• 1:24Doug DeMuro?

  That's it. Look at that. There's a low grill.

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's... Sure.

• 1:28Doug DeMuro?

  You don't see that in this?

• 1:29Speaker 02

  You don't see it? That is like...

• 1:30Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to it. You don't see the resemblance? Let me tell you something. This is the famous story about this car is that Ralph Lauren, when he was a young man, just in... You know the story? Just in the business world, all he wanted to do in life was own that W111, 280 SE. And he worked, and he worked, and he sold ties out of his trunk, and he bought himself... And in today's world, the Ralph Lauren of today wants an electric C-Class.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  So Electric C-Class, it's their new generation of electric vehicles. The GLC electric has already been revealed. This is the sedan version of that. All the things you expect, 800 volt infrastructure. We expect about 350 miles of range. It'll come out in early 2027 is when it will be available for sale. The rear is controversial-ish, even though it looks just like the CLA EV rear. So we've seen that.

• 2:16Doug DeMuro?

  The taillights seemed weird.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  They're a little weird. C-Class, just FYI. Although, you know, it will be the E-Class.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  It will also be the E-Class.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  They're, they're, they're fine.

• 2:25Doug DeMuro?

  There's a little bit of Nissan Skyline going on in here.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  Sure. And there's like the A, the CLA looks somewhat similar in the rear too with that like dark bar across. The real news though, if you go back to the slideshow is the interior, which has many screens. Yeah. So the top level option is three, is this huge screen that goes across the gage closer, the middle and the passenger.

• 2:48Doug DeMuro?

  Are we calling this a big news that, that all the Mercedes are like this now?

• 2:51Speaker 03

  This is a slightly new version of that. But there are, by the way, I want to be specific. There's three options.

• 2:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  One of them doesn't have the passenger screen, but has a display that's not a screen. It's not like touchable, but it's a display underneath the glass.

• 3:03Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  One has three standalone displays and this one combines it all into one.

• 3:09Doug DeMuro?

  This is how, this is how these Benz is, this is the world we live in now, dude. Pretty soon it'll be projected onto the windshield.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  It's a matter of time.

• 3:18Doug DeMuro?

  It truly is a matter of time.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  But heads up, displays exist.

• 3:21Doug DeMuro?

  Does anyone, yeah, but does anyone actually project like Mercedes has that, Mercedes has that virtual reality display, but it's in the, it's not on the windshield.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  No, it should be.

• 3:31Doug DeMuro?

  But there's, well, there's, there's been talk that like where you turn and stuff is going to start to be projected on the windshield.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  That's the thing, but like imagine if there's no windshield at all. So like the Polestar 4, they got rid of a rear window, right? The Polestar 4 that you reviewed recently has no rear window. Why have a front window?

• 3:46Doug DeMuro?

  This is, this is tech, this is tech, this is tech, this is tech. Here, I'm going to give you tech. Imagine a car, but it doesn't take you anywhere.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Right. It's one of the eight hour meetings he goes to.

• 3:55Doug DeMuro?

  This is, this is Filippo. If Filippo was a tech in the bay, he would say that and then the guy sitting around him would go like, oh man, yeah.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  And for a brief moment. When we first IPO will be trillionaires and then about a minute later we'll be back to not big.

• 4:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  They've been touting in this release a lot of like S-Class things. So there's an air suspension available. There's a bunch of things that are intended to make it as luxurious as an S-Class.

• 4:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  Which is kind of interesting.

• 4:21Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you something. There's a fellow up my block who's got an I4. Do you know that automobile? It's a BMW.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  I know all the automobiles.

• 4:29Doug DeMuro?

  You know all the automobiles? Did you know the Mega Track? Do you know the Suzuki Across?

• 4:34Speaker 03

  All, I do actually know the Suzuki Across.

• 4:36Doug DeMuro?

  What is it?

• 4:36Speaker 03

  I don't remember.

• 4:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know nothing.

• 4:38Speaker 03

  I know all the current automobiles.

• 4:39Doug DeMuro?

  Can I pull up a picture of the Suzuki Across and watch Filippo crumble with embarrassment?

• 4:44Speaker 03

  I'm trying to picture it, but I can't.

• 4:47Doug DeMuro?

  Crumble with embarrassment Suzuki.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Oh wow, it's the first thing you know when you look at it.

• 4:50Doug DeMuro?

  You know why?

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, the R4.

• 4:52Doug DeMuro?

  Excuse me, excuse me. That's a Suzuki Across, not a R4.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  One interesting thing, by the way, there's a two-speed gearbox in the S-Class.

• 5:00Doug DeMuro?

  In the Suzuki Across? Is it, is it a three-pedal situation? No, I want to tell you about my neighbor's I4. I got a name with an I4. That is a damn good-looking car.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, also great lease sale.

• 5:08Doug DeMuro?

  It also drives quite well. It drives like a BMW. If I was buying a BS commuter car, I would buy, probably buy an I4.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 5:17Doug DeMuro?

  Truly. It's, it's pretty luxurious. The hatchback opens. It's got good cargo space. I mean, people like SUVs and I get that. But like, that is a real, and so this is the rival to that, but it's not as good-looking.

• 5:31Speaker 03

  But it will sell better because I4 has not been a sales smash.

• 5:34Doug DeMuro?

  Not in the States. But BMW is saying that their IX3 has been a massive sales success overseas. Yeah, the SUV thing changes things. A massive sales success overseas. They're getting more orders. They've added shifts to the factory to build as much as they can. It's an interesting thing.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  I will say, credit to Mercedes, this is a notably more compelling product than their last set of EVs. The, like, the updated infrastructure. They make their own batteries now.

• 5:55Doug DeMuro?

  It is interesting though that they have.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  Own motors, rather.

• 5:57Doug DeMuro?

  It is interesting that they have gone with the similar styling, which was so roundly criticized last time, and that's a bit of a pun.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Still a little.

• 6:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:06Speaker 03

  I like that pun.

• 6:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:07Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Like, it's odd, right? Because the thing I like about the I4 is that it just looks like a BMW.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 6:14Doug DeMuro?

  Whereas this has, I mean, I like a good 280 SE 3.5, but I don't think you're fooling it.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  I, I think what you will see is that all of their products will probably go to this design language, and then it won't be the roundy ones that are EVs. They will all just look a little mediocre.

• 6:29Doug DeMuro?

  Which is a shame. Do you agree this is an AI background? There's no way it's got Stu Kar plates. This ain't Stu Kar, I'll tell you that.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  No, it is not.

• 6:37Doug DeMuro?

  Every building that looked like this in Stu Kar came down, if you know what I mean.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  I would believe that it's not photographed there.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  That 41 does look kind of AI.

• 6:43Doug DeMuro?

  It's too crisp.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Way too night, yeah.

• 6:45Doug DeMuro?

  It's as fake as the sound that'll be piped through the speakers of the new C-Class. On to the next news story, please.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  But at least it will inspire the next Ralph Lauren.

• 6:53Doug DeMuro?

  When is that C-Class coming out?

• 6:54Speaker 03

  It will be for sale in early 2027.

• 6:57Doug DeMuro?

  Early 27. Not a long wait, Kenan. Mark your calendars. All right, move on to the 7 Series. New 7 Series was announced, and by new, I mean slight refresh.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 7:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, we are alone in this podcast, and by we, I mean me and Kenan, I don't know about him, in liking the 7 Series. The rest of the world hates it and thinks it's the stupidest, ugliest, most awful, terrible thing in the world. I think it has the presence a big sedan deserves to have. And in this era, when you're seeing all the big sedans get canceled, the XJ, the RL, the A8.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  It has presence.

• 7:26Doug DeMuro?

  You kind of need to do something a little different.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  And it's clear they're leaning into that more, like with the pinstripe that goes down the side, you know, similar to another luxury brand that BMW owns.

• 7:35Doug DeMuro?

  Two-tone even, right?

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, in two-tone.

• 7:37Doug DeMuro?

  The fact that they're doing two-tones.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 7:38Doug DeMuro?

  They're really, they are really leaning into like creating a look of presence. And I think this new one is intended to be a little bit more, it's not, it didn't look dramatically different to me when I saw it all come out today.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  It's intended to bridge the gap to the new class styling.

• 7:49Doug DeMuro?

  That's right. That's what it's supposed to do.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Um, have you seen the taillights? Now they have their like two lines.

• 7:54Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, there's two lines. You know, I am so glad you called that out, Filippo.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  They go further in. The real news story besides the taillights, which are, I think are remarkable.

• 8:03Doug DeMuro?

  They definitely, they really, they really made an effort to style this car in a way that is notable. The A8 quietly whispered itself into.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  It just passed away in the night.

• 8:13Doug DeMuro?

  It did. It really did. It, it, it passed away in its sleep.

• 8:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:16Doug DeMuro?

  And BMW is saying, if we're gonna lean in to a full-size sedan, we are not gonna let that happen. And love it or hate it, this car, when you see it on the road, it does not just look like a 5 Series.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  Yep. And the interiors were all the big news, actually. So there's a huge, the weird screen that existed before is even bigger now. And I think you can like take Zoom meetings from it.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Yes, you can. There's a camera in the middle and you can split it into different views. There are like, you're gonna have a bunch of different stuff together.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  I remember all that was true in the old one too. I did a video of it in the pub breaks. It was a, this is a big screen.

• 8:44Doug DeMuro?

  When I did a view of the old one, the Palm Springs, in Palm Springs, it was so hot that I don't remember anything.

• 8:49Speaker 03

  That sounds right.

• 8:50Doug DeMuro?

  I do remember, I drove my, I drove my Ford GT there and the BMW engineers were so excited to see a Ford GT. They had never, they were all Germans. They'd never seen a Ford GT before. And when I parked at the hotel, they all conglomerated around the Ford GT.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  It's so wide, so low, unbelievable. They built a car like this, all five, what's they thinking?

• 9:08Speaker 03

  Other interior changes, they have like the, the, the new BMW display from the new class models that has like the cut edges. They have a passenger display and then there's not a traditional gauge cluster, just like a strip on top of the dash all the way across.

• 9:19Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, is this is our number two news story this week?

• 9:22Speaker 03

  It's a light week, guys.

• 9:23Doug DeMuro?

  Slow news week podcast. You better hope the talk car segment pulls us out, people.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  I've got some Italian spice coming later on. We'll, we'll get there.

• 9:30Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  We'll get there.

• 9:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, all right. Give us our next situation. Ooh, Ford Mustang Dark Horse SC. Which, so there's the Ford Mustang. You know that car?

• 9:39Speaker 03

  I do.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  And that comes in regular or electric SUV varieties?

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 9:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay?

• 9:45Speaker 03

  It's Ford distinction, yeah.

• 9:46Doug DeMuro?

  And then, and then there's the GT and then there's the Dark Horse.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 9:50Doug DeMuro?

  And the regular Dark Horse has 500 horsepower, which is a significant amount of power.

• 9:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:55Doug DeMuro?

  It's more power than anything you've ever driven.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's not true, but sure.

• 9:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think it is. The S, Dark Horse SC is out now. It's two letters, Filippo.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Two letters.

• 10:04Doug DeMuro?

  But it's.

• 10:04Speaker 03

  By the way, not S slash C.

• 10:06Doug DeMuro?

  That was last week with that Porsche. The new Dark Horse SC makes 795 horsepower on gasoline.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 10:15Doug DeMuro?

  This isn't an electric BS cannon.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  That's real. That's crazy.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  Remember when the Hellcat came out?

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  And 707 was like.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  And we thought that was the end, in all honesty.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, for gas especially.

• 10:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, for, yeah, exactly, for pump gas cars, but wow.

• 10:30Doug DeMuro?

  795. It's supercharged, 660 pound-feet of torque. Do you understand what this is?

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's also a hand-built engine, which is kind of interesting.

• 10:39Doug DeMuro?

  This is Ford throwing down. This is Ford saying, we own the Nürburgring, because they had that GTD situation.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Third, yeah.

• 10:47Doug DeMuro?

  We own muscle cars. The Camaro isn't even being made, I don't think, but I lost track of all that. This thing has shown up and is pounding people. No matter what Kenan ever buys, it will never be as fast as a Dark Horse SC unless he buys a Dark Horse SC.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  So yeah, so this is the victory lap for the Mustang. This is them just saying.

• 11:09Doug DeMuro?

  Sure, I mean, the, the, the.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Anyone, come on, take us on.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  The GTD, which is $327,000, has 20 more horsepower, just 20 more horsepower.

• 11:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but that's, that's.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  It has a lot of other changes. It's supposed in Canada.

• 11:21Doug DeMuro?

  I rode in a GTD, I drove one around the Palm Springs, actually ironically there. It was so hot, I couldn't, can't remember anything, but what I do remember is that there is a window in the rear seat. You know how your cars backseats? This car has a window and in the window, you can see the suspension.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  That is cool.

• 11:39Doug DeMuro?

  So that's worth the extra money.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, the SC, by the way, is, they announced a couple of weeks ago that it's 103.5 pre-tax, predestination for a base SC.

• 11:49Doug DeMuro?

  What did the GT500 used to cost?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Right around 80 grand.

• 11:52Doug DeMuro?

  80 grand. So this is like the successor to the GT500. The GT500, though, never had 795 horsepower.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  No, the GT500 had a mere.

• 12:02Doug DeMuro?

  760.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:03Doug DeMuro?

  But this is the, this really is like, this takes over. So we were all wondering why we're not getting Shelby cars. The answer is we have the Dark Horse instead. The regular Dark Horse, I guess, is the GT350 replacement and this is like a, why, why are we not using Shelby's name anymore? We don't know.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  For a brief moment, they were gonna re, there was a proposal to rename the street in front of their headquarters, which is Shelby Way or something like that, to something else. There was like a proposal to like, have like Maverick Drive and, I should think it was Maverick Trail, because that's more fitting.

• 12:31Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of the Maverick.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  By the way, they've said they're not doing that. It's still Shelby Road.

• 12:34Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of Maverick, I have a neighbor, I have a neighbor there with a Maverick, you know? And, uh, boy, what a great car.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  I've had three friends in the last week, the last two days, out of the blue texted me and said, "Hey, what do you think of the Maverick?"

• 12:47Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't we all have Mavericks?

• 12:48Speaker 03

  I know.

• 12:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's hybrid, it's four-wheel drive, it's a pickup, it's a car, it's comfortable, it's haulable.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  We should.

• 12:54Doug DeMuro?

  It gets 40 miles per gallon, it costs $12,000.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  No, but it is a really appealing price.

• 12:59Doug DeMuro?

  Some of that stuff's not true, but I'll tell you something.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  It's not that far off.

• 13:01Doug DeMuro?

  The slate and the Maverick. Okay, what's our next news story?

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• 16:26Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the new Nissan Xterra. Okay, according to Filippo, Nissan announced pricing for the new Xterra. That's not really what happened. Nissan told people that the new Xterra, when it comes, which is years from now, the new Xterra will have a starting price under 40,000 United States. Under 40,000. Now, if I'm an automaker and I'm thinking about making price predictions, I would wait until pretty soon before, because this has happened before. Remember when Rivian said what Rivian's would cost? And then like the day they released the Rivian, tried to jack it up? And people were so mad they had to jack it back down.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  And Tesla's happened before. I mean, it's happened a lot.

• 17:02Doug DeMuro?

  Who knows what will happen? What if there's a COVID and there becomes a shortage of yellow glowing LEDs?

• 17:10Speaker 02

  They would be really screwed.

• 17:11Doug DeMuro?

  This and the Honda Passport are screwed.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Imagine no red toe hooks.

• 17:16Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, no.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:18Doug DeMuro?

  I am so pumped for this Xterra.

• 17:19Speaker 03

  I am too. They've made it clear, by the way, that there's gonna be a pretty stripped out car that has everything you need and nothing you don't.

• 17:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's what the old one was.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  They also want to say, we've lost our way a bit, putting a lot of technology in our cars for the sake of it, adding a lot of features. We're gonna stop doing that.

• 17:34Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I mean, that's odd to hear from Nissan, because the last Nissan I had the backup camera was about three pixels.

• 17:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:40Doug DeMuro?

  But I do like the idea of a back-to-basis car, particularly when the 4Runner, I think, has left a little bit of a slot open in the, uh, in the market for something to come in sort of at the lower end, a little bit simpler, a little bit more basic, where the 4Runner has now gone hybrid, the top trimmels of, levels are $80,000. This is an, there is definitely an option here.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  4Runner starts at about 44, just a little bit more than that.

• 18:04Doug DeMuro?

  Starts at 44.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, this'll start below 40.

• 18:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Uh, 39999.

• 18:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Uh, which is fine. I, also, we should be clear, like, stripped out cars at this point, because of federal mandates and consumer preferences, all have automatic emergency braking, all have backup cameras, all have some power features generally. Like, it's, it's not a stripped out car of the 90s.

• 18:24Doug DeMuro?

  And you know what's annoying? Because you're, you're dry, you're on the trail, you know what I mean? And a rock is in front of you, and you're trying to go over the rock, and then it automatic emergency brakes.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  That is irritating.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Never had that happen.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  I've run into that many a time.

• 18:34Doug DeMuro?

  You're never on a trail with a car with AEB. I got a Sequoia.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Well, you turn it off.

• 18:38Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna talk more about my Sequoia.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Most trail modes turn those off.

• 18:42Doug DeMuro?

  I don't participate in trail mode. I just get out there and raw dog it. Let's go. I don't switch modes. I don't even put it in four-wheel.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:49Doug DeMuro?

  Rrrrr.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  You're a real man.

• 18:51Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, new Xterra is a long way off. What did this, didn't they say 28?

• 18:54Speaker 03

  I believe so, yeah. Uh, in late 28.

• 18:57Doug DeMuro?

  Late 28. Hey, we're only two and a half years away.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:01Doug DeMuro?

  Great.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. But, but we know pricing, unless inflation's really rampant, and then who knows?

• 19:06Doug DeMuro?

  This is the problem with car development cycles. It's laughable that they already know it's gonna look like this, and it's gonna take them two and a half years to come to market. How could that possibly be? It is silly.

• 19:20Speaker 03

  It's a brand-new platform, and unlike some manufacturers, they wanna test it first.

• 19:24Doug DeMuro?

  You're, you're calling out Tesla? Let me tell you something about, yeah, you are. Let me tell you something about Tesla. You know how many cars Tesla's sold?

• 19:29Speaker 03

  So many.

• 19:29Doug DeMuro?

  All of them. I was at the tennis club today, and there's a pickleball tournament going on, and you, can you imagine how many boomers are driving Teslas to a pickleball tournament?

• 19:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 19:39Doug DeMuro?

  It's like, uh, it, it's like all, it's unbelievable.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Was it all new model-wise?

• 19:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's all model wise. I don't know if they're new. Well, this is California. A lot of the boomers have moved off Tesla out in California, but you get my point. They've sold all the cars. Have they done the proper testing? No. Has it mattered? No. Nobody cares.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  True.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  It's, you know, it reminds me a lot of like the iPhone. When the iPhone came out, it's like you preorder on Friday, you get it the following week. It's like, if you're going to tease something, like then you have to be able to deliver on it right away.

• 20:07Doug DeMuro?

  Unbelievable to me that they feel they can tease this and then wait three years.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  They know that if they don't tease something, they may not exist by 2028. They need to start the drip now.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  It's too late. Like, make the thing.

• 20:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's so silly. It's so silly. Tesla will come out with a refresh and have it on the production line four weeks later. And Nissan's two and a half years, they've already, it's already taken them 13 years to figure out that they need to be back in this market. They're going to wait another, they're going to see another two and a half years of sales to the forerunner.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  What happened? They listened to the podcast. They heard you say, hey Nissan, you need to build this. And they were like, you're right. But instead of hearing about that for the next two years and then revealing it, they, they thought they'd get better Doug PR if they just announced it.

• 20:48Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to give you a new idea Nissan. Come out with a stopgap Xterra. And here's how you do it. You take a front tier crew cab. You put a body on the back and that's it. And for two years, that can be our Xterra and we'll be fine with it. We don't care. It's, it'll be a sucky car. No one cares. Come out with it and come out with it by June 1st. What's today?

• 21:09Speaker 03

  Today is April 22nd.

• 21:10Doug DeMuro?

  If I was running, if I was the fellow running Nissan now, this fellow, that's what I would do.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Maybe there's a reason you're not the fellow running Nissan.

• 21:19Doug DeMuro?

  I, I promise you things would be going better if I was. It can't be going worse.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:25Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, what's next?

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. All right. So GM has announced that they're putting on hold and maybe just fully cancelling their next generation of EVs. We're familiar with the Hummer EV and the Silverado EV, etc.

• 21:38Doug DeMuro?

  Full-size, is this just SUVs?

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Electric trucks, yeah.

• 21:41Doug DeMuro?

  Trucks.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  The bull is just came out.

• 21:43Doug DeMuro?

  I read, okay, so the Lightning was just canceled. I read a news report in Bloomberg this week that 20% of Cybertruck sales are to the other Elon Musk companies.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:53Doug DeMuro?

  Clearly, that's great. That's beautiful.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  Clearly, there has not been super strong demand for this, but they were pretty deep in planning for the next gen of this platform, the Ultium platform and the trucks. Suppliers were building things and they all got a notice saying, just put this on hold.

• 22:07Doug DeMuro?

  The full-size electric pickup segment that was so promising three years ago, when we were all fighting to see what would come first, the R1T or the Hummer EV or the Lightning or the Cybertruck, that has completely gone dry, it has completely failed and no one is interested in any of them.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Yep, pretty much. It's interesting. So EVs in the US are just increasingly dying. I will say market share ticked up in March. Gas was expensive, people bought EVs, but it was still slower market share than last March when they were in Senna's. In Europe, though, which feels the fuel crises, the fuel crises as a result of Iran war more strongly. They don't produce any real amount of gasoline. They have some real fuel concerns.

• 22:49Doug DeMuro?

  Oil, but yeah.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Yes, they don't produce, they don't extract oil and also don't have very much gasoline production from that. Both are true. Their EV sales in March were up 50%.

• 23:03Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, I was driving, I was thinking about this the other day. Someday, we're all gonna be in a, in life, we're all gonna be in the nursing home. Me and Felipe will, Kenan will still be out there doing, cleaning his M5.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 23:15Doug DeMuro?

  And we'll be thinking to ourselves, I can't believe there was a time when a soccer mom at soccer practice had little explosions happening in her engine. It is so weird. However, in America, that time is still now and, holy crap, we are so behind on this. I'm telling you, we're all gonna, China will take over the world because of this. All the people who are sitting here being like, America, we like our gas engines. You're gonna, in 20 years, it's gonna be such a shame.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  The market is moving in a really sensitive direction because a lot of people don't want that reliance on fossil fuels. And the US is gonna be so far behind. Now, we're killing the full-size pickup truck. Okay.

• 23:55Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but it would be nice if electric vehicles were adopted at every market.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  And better, and like actually competitive. And I really, really worry that the American manufacturers will absolutely not be. I don't think Chrysler is, or Stellantis in the US is working on US-market EVs outside of the charter.

• 24:09Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Stellantis is a whole other thing.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  I don't think that GM is really working on much, except for the Bolt, which theoretically will have a new generation. But will it? Who knows? Ford isn't working on that much that's competitive.

• 24:19Doug DeMuro?

  Now, wait a minute. Ford in Cologne builds that little...

• 24:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. They also have the small pickup truck that's coming. It's supposed to be like a cheaper truck on a new EV platform. But nevertheless, like, it really feels like they won't be competitive, and that will be a long-term mistake.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  I just go back to our conversation with RJ Scringe, talking about that, and like, he's right. I think like, if you, it's short-sighted to think that this isn't going to happen in the future. It's without question, the way things are going, like, and I just, I don't fully understand why American manufacturers are bringing their heads in. I guess the demand just isn't there right now, but...

• 24:50Doug DeMuro?

  Because the American manufacturers cannot sell in great numbers outside of America, and Americans don't want it. And so, you know, that's the situation.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  So, I, I, I, maybe they'll plan...

• 25:00Doug DeMuro?

  The legacy American manufacturers, I should say.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  I do wonder, right? Like, fuel is relatively, gas in the US is relatively expensive, about $4 a gallon on average in March.

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  You're thinking, switch an EV.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  I wonder how many people are gonna start thinking about that as they transition to their next...

• 25:14Doug DeMuro?

  May I suggest a BMW i4?

• 25:17Speaker 02

  It is a good thing you just got a pickup truck from 1973. It's really...

• 25:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, real fuel-efficient. You know what I passed on the interstate freeway here in my Cura V T on the way in today? I passed an IX M60.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 25:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  IX M60.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  And the grill self-heels.

• 25:31Doug DeMuro?

  The grill self-heels. Did we report on that car being canceled? I think last week we covered it. That's gone, folks. If you wanted it on IX, and you didn't, it's gone. However, I did pass an M60 on the freeway today. And I think I go between M60 sightings... Yeah, it's a V12. I think I go between M60 sightings the same length of time as I go between like, F355 on-the-road sightings. Don't you agree?

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, similar.

• 25:55Doug DeMuro?

  Because it's like a lease-deal car, and that's like the most expensive one.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  Even I don't notice, which IX drove behind.

• 26:01Doug DeMuro?

  You don't see that big badge and think, wow, this dude can out-accelerate me?

• 26:05Speaker 03

  No, because that's true of all of the IXs.

• 26:07Doug DeMuro?

  All right, this is, this is, this is the situation. Move on to the next story. Morty V is dying.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Ah, yes. So this is a Lamborghini, this is allegedly going to be the Lamborghini Revuelto SV. So these are some teaser shots of a spot, spotted testing in Italy. And we can only assume that it's going to be. Now Filippo, who speaks Italian, you see Attenzione macchina veloce, which means attention, fast car, which is hilarious. But some things to note with this, this is the rear, obviously, but they've added a wing, which is a typical SV thing, they'd be more aggressive air changes to the front.

• 26:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  We don't really have any other details outside of that. We have some vague understanding of what it might look like.

• 26:43Doug DeMuro?

  The word is 1200 horse.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Well, we'll see. There's, that's definitely not confirmed. I mean, the

• 26:48Doug DeMuro?

  The word.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  The normal car has a 6.5 liter V12 with a thousand. So you imagine a 200, 200 horsepower is a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if that bump is there, but

• 26:56Doug DeMuro?

  The word. Dude, this can be cool.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  I know it is. The, all the SV models are cool.

• 27:01Doug DeMuro?

  Aventador is, or whatever this is called, is so, Revuelto is so cool. No, I'm serious. It is. It is so, it is such a cool car.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  I know. And it, the, the normal

• 27:12Doug DeMuro?

  So much more than SF90.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Right. And the no, the new, the normal one is just astonishing. So I can't, this is gonna be, just blow everybody's mind.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Even better. But I'm excited. I mean, it's always cool when an SV version comes out.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  What was your favorite SV Lambo?

• 27:26Speaker 02

  This is the Mercy SV.

• 27:28Doug DeMuro?

  Not the Countach?

• 27:30Speaker 02

  There was no Countach SV.

• 27:32Doug DeMuro?

  It was the only one that didn't have one.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  That's right. The, the, well, the Diablo SV is really good.

• 27:37Doug DeMuro?

  But you know what they did give us on the Countach instead? The anniversary.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that was a worthwhile trade off.

• 27:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  That hideous looking thing, not Horacio Pagani's finest work.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, heinous thing. Um, but no, well, the Mira SV is really good.

• 27:53Doug DeMuro?

  No, I agree with you. The Mercy SV is cool.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  The Mercy to me.

• 27:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's super limited. It came out like peak recession, like Bear Stearns was collapsing and Lambo was like, we have, we got a $600,000 car for you.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Exactly. And, uh, you know, man, that thing is just so cool.

• 28:10Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe, you ever think about wanting one of these?

• 28:12Speaker 03

  No.

• 28:12Doug DeMuro?

  No?

• 28:13Speaker 03

  It is cool though.

• 28:13Doug DeMuro?

  There's not a moment in your life when you, when it hits you like, hey, this is cool.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  No, I, I said it's cool.

• 28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Like, there's not a moment where you're driving around in, in, in your bad wheel Targa and you're thinking, this could be me in this Lambo.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  I remember when we hosted one on Cars and Bids a couple of years ago. It's so cool.

• 28:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  It is.

• 28:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, we did host one. Did you know that, Ken?

• 28:36Speaker 02

  I vaguely remember that car.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  The, the, we also had a, there you go.

• 28:39Doug DeMuro?

  It was in Canada, I think.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  It was indeed.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:41Doug DeMuro?

  So cool.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Seven hundred thousand. What are those cars worth now? About a million, probably?

• 28:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the tips still are crazy.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  The tips, yeah.

• 28:48Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, they're not that crazy considering how low production it was.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:51Doug DeMuro?

  Um.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Very cool. But nonetheless, this is what the next one will kind of look like. I think the camo is, I love that Lamborghini like leaned it like, most of the time the camo looks the same on all these cars. In this case, it went for fire and telling everybody,

• 29:02Doug DeMuro?

  and attention fast car. So this car went into production, uh, in summer of 23. So an SV is probably a year out. You figure it's going to be another 10, 12 year life cycle like all the, the big Lambos.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably.

• 29:14Doug DeMuro?

  So there's, this is an SV, SVJ, et cetera. The whole situation comes out.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 29:18Doug DeMuro?

  But it's, it's, it's, um,

• 29:19Speaker 02

  It's exciting.

• 29:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's cool. It's exciting.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  It's really exciting.

• 29:22Doug DeMuro?

  Well, scrambled.

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• 32:06Doug DeMuro?

  Scramble!

• 32:07Speaker 02

  All right, but we got another Italian manufacturer, so the Ferrari Luce. So the Luce, we had a lot of stuff coming out about this recently. I actually watched a video going through the interior, talking about like all the little components. It's really cool.

• 32:17Doug DeMuro?

  Is this the interior?

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:18Doug DeMuro?

  But what's in the background? Is it like a, is this the interior of a helicopter flying over a village?

• 32:22Speaker 02

  So in the studio in which all of this is, there's a studio you go to or Johnny Ive shows all of like, like an Apple product studio, basically.

• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  Cause it looks like we're driving a gondola. Do you agree?

• 32:33Speaker 02

  I think, no, I think we're in a hot air balloon. We're in a Zep one. These are the controls.

• 32:37Doug DeMuro?

  210 kilometers per hour. Because... That's kind of how people feel about this car, you know? Like it's an electric B. Anyway, what's the news?

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Which I have some thoughts on that, which I'll come back to in a second. But the announcement is the Bloomberg claims they got from an insider. A hint into the pricing of this car. Now, the car is going to come out next month in an event in Rome and we'll find out for sure. But they're saying it's going to be about $650,000, which is starting, which is an awful lot for an EV. Even a Ferrari 650 is a lot. And you have to imagine with options, these are, most of these are going to be three quarters of a million dollars.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  I mean, look, it's a hundred thousand pounds. The, they have, for some reason they're recording this in the UK.

• 33:15Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be a hundred thousand pounds. It's so much electric, it's so heavy. You think the Rebalto's heavy? Wait for the Luchette.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Hold my beer.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  The 650 comes from 550,000 pounds. And in that same market, the Purosangue is 450,000 pounds. So a hundred thousand pounds, a hundred fifty thousand dollars more than a Purosangue.

• 33:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. That's a lot. If they attempt to sell an electric sports car at $650,000, I think even Ferrari has met its match. How do they not understand that the SF90 is already a terrible seller?

• 33:46Speaker 03

  What about the Pininfarina Batista? Yeah, what's, what's MSRP on that?

• 33:50Doug DeMuro?

  Two and a half.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Two and a half.

• 33:51Doug DeMuro?

  And, and, and, and you know how those are selling?

• 33:54Speaker 03

  By about two million dollars.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Let me, let me calculate.

• 33:56Doug DeMuro?

  You know how many of those have sold, they've sold? Zero.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Zero.

• 34:01Doug DeMuro?

  No one has bought one.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  When you cut the price in, in thirds, you get closer.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 34:07Doug DeMuro?

  Not at the volume.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  You multiply by zero.

• 34:08Doug DeMuro?

  The Pininfarina Batista, I think they wanted to sell a hundred. At the volume they're going to want to sell this time, you get close. The SF90 gives you an insight into how customers want to be, electric cars to be in their lives. And the, the answer is they don't, right? SF90s are 650 stickers. They are selling you, on the used market for half price. You know, the one thing that is not talked about enough in Luca, with Luca di Montezemolo.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:31Doug DeMuro?

  Montezemolo.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Our Lord and Savior.

• 34:33Doug DeMuro?

  Our Lord and Savior.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Luca di Montezemolo.

• 34:35Doug DeMuro?

  Is that in addition to doing a lot of beneficial things for Ferrari, he actually got supply and demand correct. And he's gone and within only a few years, supply and demand is already going on the bad side of private equity. Do you know what I'm saying?

• 34:49Speaker 02

  I do know.

• 34:50Doug DeMuro?

  Just build more of them. It's gonna work. Well, it isn't. And when, when, when we were kids, you couldn't get a Ferrari. The resale market was high. The buyer market was high. It was like, and it was annoying for customers, but for the company and for the brand, it was great. Well, now the cars are depreciating. They have more cars than customers. And suddenly, obviously, the brand hasn't eroded yet, but you come up with a $650,000 electric car and you start to wonder if that starts to occur.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  I would not be surprised. And I, to be clear, like, I think as far as the electric car stuff goes, I think the idea of restyling the interior and having someone do this stuff properly, who is an actually good engineer and with great style, makes a lot of sense. Ferrari interiors, we haven't changed that much since the 458. If we're honest, like, they really haven't changed.

• 35:34Doug DeMuro?

  The full screen thing showed up. The giant full screen thing came up.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's still like the, the vent, it's still like very, it's still a little bit derivative of its past. It hasn't been something like very, very new in a while. And I think this is like, I think all this stuff is really cool and feels nice and like, is the quality Ferrari should be.

• 35:49Doug DeMuro?

  I have no comment on the interior. Couldn't care less. I'm very excited to see the car, what it looks like, how it performs and the price point. And if it's 650 for an electric.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  I know, it's a hard pill to swallow.

• 35:58Doug DeMuro?

  A Plaid can do 0 to 60 in one and we're selling them every day for 22.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  But then you're going for style, right? Like, I think that it was the right decision to lean into, Kenan's point, like a, a well reputed, beloved designer to design the exterior and the interior.

• 36:13Doug DeMuro?

  Had better look more beautiful.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  I know, I agree.

• 36:16Doug DeMuro?

  Than anything that's come out of Italy since the Sistine Chapel was finished.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  I do wonder, the SF90 tried to combine a lot of things pretty early. Right? Tried to combine a hybrid and gas and still having a gas engine and a new interior. And that was maybe too much. But I wonder about a full EV where you're attracting a different buyer base.

• 36:34Doug DeMuro?

  You're right. You're right. The, the thing, the problem with the SF90 is the gas powertrain. That's why it's not selling. It's the gas powertrain.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Combination between them, but you know.

• 36:45Doug DeMuro?

  You're right. They combined too many things. Let's strip it down to the basics. Get rid of that pesky engine.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, who's that?

• 36:52Doug DeMuro?

  911 STs are selling for 750. Do you know what car will never sell for 750 after it's initially sold to its first owner? Who, by the way, will be the dealer? The Luce.

• 37:06Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  You're probably right.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  We'll see. We'll find out. But it might be beautiful.

• 37:11Doug DeMuro?

  Many years ago, I got a Ferrari press car and it's never going to happen again. But you know what? I love that 296. And you like the 12 cylinder? I love the 12 cylinder. I love, I'm glad you're saying it the correct way.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  It took a lot of restraint.

• 37:24Doug DeMuro?

  I love the 296. I love the pure son weight. It, I think it's hain, but it drives amazing.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  It's got a V12.

• 37:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And it just, the steering, it just feels so good.

• 37:36Doug DeMuro?

  The SF90 is a, is an abomination. The SP3 changed our lives.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  It did.

• 37:40Doug DeMuro?

  I, SP3 was my car of the year a couple of years ago. It's usually like a Tesla.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  No, it deserves it. Like that, that car is very notable in our lives. Wish it weren't called the Daytona, but other than that, it is really cool.

• 37:53Doug DeMuro?

  F80 coming. You excited for that?

• 37:56Speaker 02

  You know, when we saw it in person in Monterey, I liked it a lot more than I thought I was going to. And I would be really curious, like, really curious, because I'm not going to get to drive them before you, but your thoughts about, I'm sure it's amazing, but you know, we would rather have an SP3 Daytona.

• 38:09Doug DeMuro?

  Car I did really love was that SF90XX. Like, really love.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  I was surprised that you liked it so much.

• 38:14Doug DeMuro?

  So was I. I was going into it thinking, I gotta do this. And then I came out of it like, well, I gotta get one of those.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Maybe it's because your expectations were so rock bottom low.

• 38:22Doug DeMuro?

  No, there, it's, I am not a person who likes raw cars mentally, but then actually I really mostly do like raw cars. Like I drove that 340R and I was like, this is so cool.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  To be fair, it is.

• 38:36Doug DeMuro?

  It really is. And what I really want is a P1GTR. If I had crazy money, I would do two things. I would never talk to him again. And I'm like, a P1GTR.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  You love saying this. I don't know why that's the thing that you could just stop talking to if you wanted to.

• 38:50Doug DeMuro?

  No, we got, we got entanglements. We got our wives. We got the business.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Doesn't go away with money.

• 38:55Doug DeMuro?

  No, no. If I had crazy money, I would disentangle and be like, Felipe, you're gone.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  It'd be worth it at that point.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  Would you pay? So you're saying you'd pay him to stop speaking to you?

• 39:04Doug DeMuro?

  No, I just.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  He says this a lot.

• 39:06Doug DeMuro?

  I would accept all that. I would just be like, Felipe, you're out. I have, I have so much money that you're out. If you see me in my P1 GT-R, wave to me as I drive.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  I would accept money to not engage, that's fine. Something to consider.

• 39:21Doug DeMuro?

  How much?

• 39:22Speaker 02

  So you know he will start bothering you more unless you pay him, that's what he's gonna do.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  That's an interesting take.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  He knows where you live.

• 39:28Doug DeMuro?

  Are there more news stories?

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Uh, no, that is the end.

• 39:31Doug DeMuro?

  Alright, we have to move on.

• 39:32Speaker 02

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• 40:15Speaker 02

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• 40:55Doug DeMuro?

  Today to the Top Cars segment, which is brought to you by my Toyota Sequoia.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  Wow, we're back to it.

• 41:03Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  Are we on or off the Sequoia?

• 41:04Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta get out of this car.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  What happened?

• 41:06Doug DeMuro?

  Alright, me and Sean today are at a gas station filming god knows what. And, um...

• 41:14Doug DeMuro?

  A Sequoia TRD Pro rolls in.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Nice. What color?

• 41:17Doug DeMuro?

  And it has a vanity plate. They all have vanity plates.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  So does yours.

• 41:20Doug DeMuro?

  It was black. And it has a roof tent.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 41:24Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm like, and it's, and the guy had changed out the Falcon Wild Peaks for Toyo's. He had already uptired. And I'm like, oh God. And it comes in and it's so.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  Huh? Didn't you also uptire?

• 41:36Doug DeMuro?

  No, I got a Oez. I'm like.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:38Doug DeMuro?

  And then, and I said to Sean, I said, this guy's gonna get out and be the most like, tatted up, flat brim hat, like, like hardcore MAGA bro. And he gets out and he is literally wearing a shirt with an American flag on it that says freedom.

• 41:54Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm like.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  God bless, brother.

• 41:57Doug DeMuro?

  And I want to be clear on this podcast. We don't do politics and I don't care about the Republicans. They can do as they wish. But the car is so far towards that. It's the same reason why I don't want to drive a Honda Clarity in the other direction.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  Too far the other way. Yeah.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  I don't want a caution driver singing bumper sticker. Do you know what I mean?

• 42:17Doug DeMuro?

  But at the same time, I don't want to be stereotyped to the point where I'm getting out with a Sequoia TRD Pro and I'm wearing a freedom shirt. Like, come on!

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Man, I know what I'm getting you for your birthday now.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta get out of this car. So, here's my plan. You're gonna love this plan.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  I'm so excited.

• 42:33Doug DeMuro?

  I'm still looking for an AMG, an old AMG station wagon.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:35Doug DeMuro?

  Rami is looking for me. Inbound Motorsports Rami. My heart and soul is Rami. He hasn't found one for me yet. We're still looking. Here's my plan. This is a Filippo style plan. I gotta drive the Sequoia Nantucket this year. It's been too, it's like, it's too late in the season to make a change. Sell it. I get back in the middle of August. Sell it instantly. Done.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  You don't need a car for nine months. You don't need a car.

• 42:58Doug DeMuro?

  I never used that car in the, in the winter. Nine months, drive my station.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  Are we back on the LX 700H?

• 43:06Doug DeMuro?

  When the, when it's time to go again, we buy an LX 700H.

• 43:09Speaker 03

  For the record, this is exactly the plan that we laid out in October of last year.

• 43:13Doug DeMuro?

  We're doing it!

• 43:15Speaker 03

  I found you one.

• 43:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? I've been going on AutoTrader. They haven't depreciated. We were looking in January.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  You should have bought.

• 43:21Doug DeMuro?

  We were looking in January and then the car mom did that thing where she showed that it's horrible with car seats. And I completely lost interest. I literally haven't checked prices until two days ago. They're the same.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  I want, I do want you to be aware, it hasn't gotten better for car seats from that time.

• 43:34Doug DeMuro?

  No, it hasn't and it's not any cheaper and it's, it's still bad. And I think that a lot of the ones that are selling used are probably getting exported. Which is why I suspect that prices are not particularly, going particularly lower. Um, but I gotta get out of the Sequoia.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  I really like this plan. Cause I hate your Sequoia.

• 43:50Doug DeMuro?

  Hate it.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Really hate it. There's another one in the neighborhood that's just so embarrassing.

• 43:54Doug DeMuro?

  Why is it so rumbly?

• 43:55Speaker 02

  It's just because, like, people want that.

• 44:00Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, if I could tune that out and maybe swap the, I've been looking for a wheel option for, since I bought it. I send wheel options to the group.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  I know.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  You do.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  God, do I know it.

• 44:09Speaker 02

  We've gotten, all gotten tired of it. The camo and the gun locker. It's just like a, nice thing.

• 44:14Doug DeMuro?

  The camo, it's too much. It's too much. Um.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  I will not be sad when that hideous, massive thing disappears from our lives.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  We all agree the worst part is the giant Toyota on the.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  That, no, there's a lot of, that's bad. There's just, it's all of it.

• 44:28Doug DeMuro?

  The thing about the LX is, that's so great. It's triple locked. Okay. The first triple locked Toyota since the 80's.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  I told you raw dog it though. So like, why do you need that?

• 44:38Doug DeMuro?

  It's triple locked and you know what it doesn't do? Tell anybody. You would have no clue what that car is. Whereas the Sequoia TRD Pro, which is also exceptionally good off-road. Just has to shout it to everybody.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 44:53Doug DeMuro?

  Like the mega Republican car that it is.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 44:56Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I mean?

• 44:56Speaker 03

  No, I mean, it is.

• 44:57Doug DeMuro?

  And so I can't do it. I have to, I have to move on.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  Well, thank goodness. Finally.

• 45:04Speaker 03

  We're not gonna go down that road. Don't worry. Eventually, maybe they'll actually have the trim packages you want though.

• 45:08Doug DeMuro?

  I only want an Alex 700.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  I was next to a Z71 Suburban yesterday, like a new post.

• 45:13Doug DeMuro?

  They don't have, they don't have Supercruise.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:15Doug DeMuro?

  The, the Suburban still doesn't have Supercruise as Z71. You have to choose between the two. The Yukon, you can get an AT4 and Supercruise.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 45:24Doug DeMuro?

  I want a car that lasts because I will own it for two to two and a half years.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  Hey Toyota, if you want to make a more, a triple locked Sienna, you got to buy it.

• 45:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Oh buyer.

• 45:36Doug DeMuro?

  If I could buy a triple locked Sienna, I am not screwing with you. I would buy it tomorrow. But my plan is, sell the thing in the fall, drive my new station wagon that Rami will find me until the spring, and then by then, this is a year from now, you got to assume that LX Overtrail values have gotten into like 94, right?

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, down from 97, yep.

• 45:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's not, that's not nothing. I know in your world, four grand is meaningless, but to people like me and Kenan.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Well, your Sequoia would depreciate notably. It doesn't matter.

• 46:04Doug DeMuro?

  The Sequoia, I think though, it's nine months of depreciation I don't have to suffer in the Sequoia, and I can benefit from in the LX.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:11Doug DeMuro?

  We're gonna do this. You're committed that though, that in March, we got to find an LX Overtrail?

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Of next year, yeah, you bet. It depends on whether you pay me to not talk to you or not. We'll, we'll, we'll see what happens. Got a year.

• 46:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, that's my talk cars. Filippo, um.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  We've got a few.

• 46:26Doug DeMuro?

  I'm a little nervous about some of them, but go ahead.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  All right, I'm gonna start on a personal note here. I, we've been talking a lot about 911s. We've become a Porsche podcast.

• 46:33Doug DeMuro?

  This is the sports car, not the terrorist attack, the sports car.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Not that awful, Jack.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Go ahead, the Porsche 911. I could talk about how I drove with LA twice in the last week, but my wife has told me that we talk too much about Porsches on this podcast, and that people may have forgotten that I'm not really that guy. I, I'm not into expensive cars.

• 46:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  Generally.

• 46:52Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  And so she told me a couple nights ago, that I should buy a Saab, pull up Saabs.

• 46:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  That I should buy a cheap Saab. Now, little does she know that I've been looking at them on Facebook Marketplace a lot.

• 47:02Doug DeMuro?

  Well, actually.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  Cause that's where the worst ones are.

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• 47:34Doug DeMuro?

  For 12, the whole, all 12 years I've known you, you've been looking for cheap Saabs on Facebook Marketplace?

• 47:37Speaker 03

  I know.

• 47:38Doug DeMuro?

  So any day now?

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Any day now, I should. About that 900 turbo, I know.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  Why didn't I?

• 47:43Doug DeMuro?

  Was that local?

• 47:44Speaker 03

  To be fair, it was.

• 47:45Doug DeMuro?

  It's local.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  It was two years ago.

• 47:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but Filippo, what are you?

• 47:48Speaker 03

  What am I? I should buy that.

• 47:50Doug DeMuro?

  This would have been so cool. Where was this? It's got California plates on it.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  It's somewhere in California.

• 47:54Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god, it's in the back. They're all gonna be in the back.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  They're all gonna be in the back.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  I don't think that realistically, we can have five cars for two adults. That's a little much, even for me.

• 48:06Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's like the one of these, Filippo's like one of these Michael Fuchs type people. Have you, have you figured this out? He can't sell anything. He like can't get motivated to sell a car.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  Cars have purpose in our lives.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Michael Fuchs stuff seems.

• 48:16Doug DeMuro?

  Five?

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Well, no, I, we're only at four. That's why I can't add a five.

• 48:20Doug DeMuro?

  You're two drivers and.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  You have seven.

• 48:22Doug DeMuro?

  Three of the cars. Yeah, but Filippo, three of the cars are hatchbacks. And the pickup truck has rodent tires, can't even use it. I don't understand. What does the Volkswagen GTI do that the Mercedes station wagon doesn't?

• 48:33Speaker 03

  The GTI is gonna go away.

• 48:34Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, but how long have we been hearing that?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Well, because the issue is that every week, that, that car gets driven a few hundred miles up to Riverside and back, or wherever my wife has work travel.

• 48:43Doug DeMuro?

  If you had the Mercedes station wagon for that.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  She would take that, yeah.

• 48:45Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  No, no, the GTI is going away. It just is. It's like, in my mind, it's gone.

• 48:50Doug DeMuro?

  Well, but what would be nice to do?

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Is that it's still here?

• 48:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's gonna be gone soon. Uh, but then maybe, uh, maybe we'll go back to four.

• 49:00Doug DeMuro?

  In my mind, it's already gone.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Is it in your mind that money's in your bank account?

• 49:03Doug DeMuro?

  I got 14 cars, but in my mind, 12 of them don't exist, so I, really, I'm down to two.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  It's like some Nick Roshan level.

• 49:10Doug DeMuro?

  That was some flaky Nick BS.

• 49:13Speaker 03

  Uh, but, so maybe there'll be a Saab in my future, or a Volvo. I'm, I'm, I could go either way.

• 49:17Doug DeMuro?

  T5R. Get an 850 T5R.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  80 could be cool.

• 49:19Doug DeMuro?

  If you get an 850 T5R wagon.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I only buy stick cars.

• 49:24Doug DeMuro?

  You can swap a stick in two seconds.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 49:25Doug DeMuro?

  Literally, me and Kenan with two cold ones could do it in a couple hours. He would even be back in time for dinner with Emily.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  I don't want that. I would consider a lot of like, bad 80s, 90s cars.

• 49:36Doug DeMuro?

  I, pull that back up.

• 49:37Speaker 03

  No, no, that's a good 80s, 90s car.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  I've never been an A50 fan.

• 49:42Doug DeMuro?

  I've put 40,000 miles on one of these. And um.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  Never been a fan of that A50 either, actually.

• 49:48Doug DeMuro?

  What do you, what do you like? What Volvos do you like?

• 49:50Speaker 03

  Uh, love the, the, the next gen. I do like it. The prior gen.

• 49:54Doug DeMuro?

  DS70?

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do love a nice S70 and a V70.

• 49:57Doug DeMuro?

  What's the difference between a S70 and an A50?

• 49:59Speaker 03

  No, no, the, the, well, they're becoming a little more rounded and I do like it more.

• 50:04Speaker 03

  I do like this more, but it's too new.

• 50:06Doug DeMuro?

  This is like.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  It's too new, 1998.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  If I'm going old, I'm gonna go 80s, 90s.

• 50:12Doug DeMuro?

  So Volvos are out?

• 50:13Speaker 03

  Well, no, I do love a nice 240.

• 50:15Doug DeMuro?

  A 240?

• 50:18Doug DeMuro?

  If you get a 240 wagon in addition to your Mercedes wagon and your GTI?

• 50:22Speaker 03

  I know. No, the, the GTI will be gone.

• 50:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. The GTI is gone. I forgot.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  That, that SP, that 900 SPG, I think I did bid on, but it was sold by the Peterson and it had, hadn't been run and there was some issue with it, but I think I did bid.

• 50:33Doug DeMuro?

  The fact that you didn't buy this car with three spokes.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  I know.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  You could have bought.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  It's just $700.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  Saab 900 it is. I have permission from my wife.

• 50:41Doug DeMuro?

  Original Saab 900, this thing. An OG 900, but not an OG 900. Do you know what I mean?

• 50:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  I'm so curious. I don't think. That is the OG 900, but it's okay.

• 50:50Doug DeMuro?

  What's the next one?

• 50:52Speaker 03

  The NG 900.

• 50:52Doug DeMuro?

  What's the last one?

• 50:53Speaker 03

  The OG 93 and then the NG 93.

• 50:56Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, got it.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Um, all right. Two other quick things I want to talk about that are events related, because I feel like I gotta shout them out. Because I will be at, at both of them. Uh, in early May, I will be, no, other one. I will not be at Wagon Fest, but I will be at a Cars and Coffee that we're doing at Tire Rack Headquarters in South Bend, Indiana, alongside the American Branching Association and One Lap of America.

• 51:18Doug DeMuro?

  Driven past it before.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  Have you?

• 51:20Doug DeMuro?

  I have.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  They have quite a large parking lot. So One Lap of America participants, that's the ending of it, are gonna be doing, um, uh, laps at the, the Tire Rack thing.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  You know, word.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Headquarters, yeah.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, but then we're gonna be doing Cars and Coffee that morning. If you wanna come, in the community page, we have a post where you can submit your car. I'm gonna personally review them and send some personalized invites to the cars.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  It's the second point. Filippo will be on the ground, not in the air, hanging out, talking about cars.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  I wanna be clear. You have to go to the community post, enter, put your car there, cuz I'm gonna review all of them and invite the people that I think have the coolest cars.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Folks, this is-

• 51:56Speaker 03

  That I think have the coolest car. Not that Doug thinks has the coolest car, that I-

• 51:59Doug DeMuro?

  This is the Tire Rack Headquarters off Vorden Parkway out there in South Bend, alright?

• 52:05Speaker 03

  They'll have about half of their main parking lot.

• 52:07Doug DeMuro?

  If you are nice to Filippo, he will take you over to the Pilot Travel Center off, off of Brick Road in South Bend there, and he will buy you a hot dog.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  I make no such commitment.

• 52:20Doug DeMuro?

  If you are nice to Filippo, he'll take you, he'll, he may even take you to Chivo's Pizza, which is on Ameritech Drive in South Bend, across the street from the Pilot.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Sounds like it could be good.

• 52:31Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you this, if this Cars and Coffee goes well, and Filippo ends up happy, and maybe has seen a couple of sobs, everybody goes to Chivo's Pizza on Filippo at the end of the event.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  I'll bring the people pizza. Unfortunately, the event ends at like 11 a.m., a little early.

• 52:46Doug DeMuro?

  That's why you go over to Chivo's, dude.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  That's, you're right, at lunchtime.

• 52:49Doug DeMuro?

  Chivo's opens at 11.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Oh, see you there.

• 52:52Doug DeMuro?

  Unfortunately, it doesn't open till 3 on Saturdays. Chivo's doesn't do lunch on the weekend.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  What a shame. Uh, the other event is, we will be at the Velocity Invitational. We're gonna be bringing a bunch of really exciting cars, including an Alfa Romeo TZ that's over there that changed Doug's life.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Changed my life.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Uh, a bunch of the cars, the, all the cars that we bring will be up for auction, so you can come to the event and check them out.

• 53:10Doug DeMuro?

  Are you going to this?

• 53:11Speaker 02

  I'm not going to this.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  Why not? Which is a sad shame.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  I might. I was talking to Grant at Workforce, it's like, I was thinking I might.

• 53:17Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, this is a real event.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  I know, I'm, I'm like-

• 53:19Doug DeMuro?

  Have you been to Sonoma?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  I have not, not been.

• 53:22Doug DeMuro?

  You should go to this.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  You think so?

• 53:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  We're gonna, it's gonna be truly a cool event.

• 53:25Doug DeMuro?

  This is like car heaven in May, instead of in August for, this is, you should go out there. It's so close.

• 53:30Speaker 03

  It's like vintage racing.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  It's only 6, 7 hours away.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's an easy flight.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  6, 7. Oh, good lord.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  No. Uh, but regardless, we'll be up there. Um, check out carsandbets.com/events to buy tickets with a discount. Or if you have a car, we have a couple more slots, literally a couple of slots for cool cars.

• 53:47Doug DeMuro?

  If I live in, the South Bend thing at Tire Rack, is there tickets for that?

• 53:51Speaker 03

  Yes, you have to go to the community page, and I will invite you if you are worthy.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 53:56Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, the velocity thing you need to buy tickets for.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  You need to actually buy tickets. There's a discount code at the events page.

• 54:01Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, now what if?

• 54:02Speaker 03

  A lot of good events.

• 54:03Doug DeMuro?

  What if you live in Fort Wayne?

• 54:05Speaker 03

  Well, you're used to driving to get to good things.

• 54:09Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, Kenner, you got some truck cars for us?

• 54:11Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, I have a couple of truck cars things. So right now, so we're filming this on Wednesday. By the time this airs, this will be over, but my, the, my friend's Boxer listing has been doing well. Yeah, it's at nineteen thousand dollars as of the moment.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  It was at fifteen when we started filming this podcast.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's really been moving along, but I mean, it's an unbelievably nice example. And my friend Brian has done just an incredible job documenting it and like, I genuinely mean this. Like, I'm not just saying because I'm helping represent it, but like, if I didn't want a Viper, I probably would have bought this and then I would have just one upped you. I would, I would have been very happy to just pull up along you and your nine eleven.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  Careful with your language choice.

• 54:44Doug DeMuro?

  It is pretty common to be deciding between a nine eight six Boxer and a Viper. And so I understand.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  I fall in love with nice examples of things. Like when I see something that's nice and cared for, I just love that story.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  That's why you love my wagon.

• 54:58Doug DeMuro?

  Do you?

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, uh, yeah, it's just.

• 55:01Doug DeMuro?

  Do you fall in love with nice examples of things?

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 55:03Doug DeMuro?

  Because if so.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  Where's this going?

• 55:05Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'm really worried.

• 55:07Doug DeMuro?

  Right now, over on the cars and bids there.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Cars and bids.

• 55:11Doug DeMuro?

  Can you pull up, uh, go to the cars and bids and type in classic? Just the word classic. Cause right now we have live that is a nice, click on that.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 55:21Doug DeMuro?

  We have live right now, this is a forty five hundred mile example of the Toyota Classic.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 55:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, now, Kenner, you have previously told us that you like nice things.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  I say I fall in love with nice things and my heart is only so large.

• 55:37Doug DeMuro?

  This is so cool. It's on a Hilux platform.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  I think it's actually pretty cool. The best part about it to me is that Toyota logo, like a Mercedes logo on the front, just sticking up proud on the hood.

• 55:46Doug DeMuro?

  Did I tell the story of this car on this podcast?

• 55:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 55:48Doug DeMuro?

  The history of this car?

• 55:49Speaker 02

  No.

• 55:50Doug DeMuro?

  All right, Toyota. I'm sorry to interrupt the Boxer.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  I will come back.

• 55:54Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota, we all know Toyota. They manufacture a lot of great cars and also my Republican SUV. And not Republican, mega Republican.

• 56:02Speaker 02

  Someone say, "A lot of great cars."

• 56:05Doug DeMuro?

  So Toyota had become a car company in whatever year, 1920, whatever. And it's they're coming up on their 75th or their 100th or whatever birthday.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  Sixty.

• 56:14Doug DeMuro?

  And they're, you know this story?

• 56:16Speaker 03

  No, but I'm reading sixty.

• 56:17Doug DeMuro?

  And they're like, they're like, we really want to find a good example for our birthday of the very first car that we ever made. Do you know this story? They want to find the very, a good example of the first car they ever made. It was this Toyota and it looked like a Chrysler airflow, similar to this. And they, they made it like a 200 of them total in the whole world. And they were like, let's find a good example of the car.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 56:39Doug DeMuro?

  So we can show it off, the model, the AA, that's what it was called. Let's, so we can show this car off at our birthday celebrations. So they start looking and looking and looking. Two years later, they never found an example of their first car.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  Not one survived.

• 56:53Doug DeMuro?

  So what they decided to do was using as many photos and, and documents as they could find, they recreated, and this isn't it, this was a, this was a modern homage to the car. But they recreated one example that was really perfect of a model AA. And then the birthday happened, came and went, and then they found one in a barn in Russia. And type, type it in, the only one that's photographed is, is going to be the ugly one that shows up from the barn. Uh, yeah, there it is. The car had been mounted on a different frame and used different wheels, but the body, this was agreed by all parties

• 57:35Doug DeMuro?

  to be a Toyota model AA, the only surviving Toyota model AA.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 57:41Doug DeMuro?

  And the Russians who found it in their barn, sold it for hundreds of thousands of dollars to, I think the Toyota distributor in the Netherlands, and it's, it's in a museum, I think, in the Netherlands or Belgium or something like that. But

• 57:53Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 57:53Doug DeMuro?

  After many years of searching, Toyota couldn't find the first, their first car, only for it to turn up later in a barn in Russia. No one knows how, no one knows why. Anyway, this is intended to be a modern day kind of take on, I actually saw one of these when I was in Tokyo many years ago.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Built by Toyota Technocrift.

• 58:14Doug DeMuro?

  What is your, so you like nice examples? Here you go.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm good.

• 58:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's on a Hilux chassis? What motor's in it?

• 58:19Speaker 03

  Uh, a two liter four cylinder.

• 58:22Doug DeMuro?

  It's looks like pretty weak tires too, but if it's on a Hilux chassis, you know what you could do.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  You could do real things.

• 58:29Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Ken, the Boxer's up.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Boxer's up and is performing quite well, but I also have, so I have another friend who wanted me to help him sell his cars. It's coming out like

• 58:37Doug DeMuro?

  The word's out.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  Very quick in quick succession. So this is my friend's car. So this is a very different car. I don't think people are cross shopping the two of these. And I've been working on this for like a week or so. So like the timing is like, just kind of what it is, but this is a Ferrari California T, but specifically it's a 70th anniversary model. Do you remember these cars?

• 58:55Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  So to celebrate their birthday, their 70th birthday, Ferrari decided they wanted to create an homage to 70 iconic liveries from their past, you know, very famous color combinations. And they decided to build one of each model in the range using that color combination. So there were five models. It was the GTC4 Luso, the 488 GTB, the Spider, the F12 and the California T. And so they built 350 of these cars and technically each of them is a one of one because they would do one example of each livery and go now.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  So this is the Cali 270 of this colorway.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 59:27Doug DeMuro?

  Whatever it was trying to pay homage.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Yes, the 206 Dino, the one that Glickenhause has.

• 59:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Because this has the blue carpets and all that stuff. And what's interesting is like, if you bought one of these cars from Ferrari, my friend bought this car brand new, actually bought two of them. This one in a different California T, in a different livery, but when you bought them, you didn't option the car.

• 59:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Ferrari did all of it. They specced all of it through their tailor made program, which is like their sunderwunsch, like the equivalent.

• 59:50Doug DeMuro?

  Put on the tailor made badge?

• 59:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the, this is the, just like a video to it. But yeah, the tailor made badge says like exactly which car it's inspired by. It says one of one, which Ferrari, you know, kind of plays a little fast and loose with production numbers, but like they actually call it out a one of one. No, this one, these definitely are one of one. But what's, what's fascinating is the market values these at an unbelievably high rate because when you think about it, there are no collectible versions of the California T. The F12 has the TDF, but like they're just like the GTC4 Luso, there was nothing like that.

• 1:00:19Doug DeMuro?

  So this car's only got 1500 miles.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  1500 miles, classic case certification, which for a new Ferrari, I realized is like, you know, I mean, it was new, but like even so, like go underneath it, there are pictures of the transmission numbers and all this stuff. And it's just like an amazing car. So I'm trying, so. Also, one last thing about this. Well, my friend went to Italy, to the factory. He went to the class, to the, um, to the tailor-made division to check things out. And they went and pulled the files on his car, so he could see it.

• 1:00:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, cool.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  The level of detail they go into, I didn't realize. Like, they have, like, the gauge of the thread that was used for the stitching, how wide everything has to be. This particular color, which is Jallo Tripro Strada, which is used on other Ferraris. They have five internal shades they don't tell people about. They just kind of pick them. They picked the shade for this car and they have the exact pink mixture that's required for it. So if it needs anything ever, like Ferrari has all this information, which I had no idea.

• 1:01:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it looks, I mean, it looks amazing, that color.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  And if you click through and listen, yeah, this is obviously a really cool picture. Um, but if you click through the, um, X-ray pictures of the car, like we're taking outside, it just goes wah in the sun. So I did a video on this car. It's up for San Antonio and that's where he has it stored right now.

• 1:01:26Doug DeMuro?

  You're agreeing to present my wagon for me, right?

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Your wagon? You want help with your wagon? I'm gonna be honest about every flaw. This car has 1500 miles and I only found two flaws on it. Your car, I'm gonna find some stuff, so.

• 1:01:37Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan is presenting cars. Kenan is great at this. And we got the Boxer, we have his own cars he's had been successful with. He's got this California.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  I can't break that record.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Again, a couple of people reached out and like, I do love doing this. It is really fun. And I just want, I truly, genuinely just want to help these, like, good cars find, like, good homes. And I believe in our platform to do it and I'm happy to do this.

• 1:01:57Doug DeMuro?

  Boom, take that.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  What you doing?

• 1:01:59Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, on that subject, I want to move on to the market report. I want to talk about our platform. Um, the market report is brought to you by Cars and Friends, our second podcast. If you like Cars and Bids, but you want friends, go over to Cars and Friends.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  It comes out every Monday on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel and on Spotify.

• 1:02:17Doug DeMuro?

  Who are the friends? It's Ryan Lopez?

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  It's often, it's usually me, Kenan, Ryan, Nick.

• 1:02:22Doug DeMuro?

  Ryan Lopez is part of it?

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  Usually.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  Sometimes, yeah.

• 1:02:24Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, if you tune in this week, Ryan Lopez will tell you the story about how he crashed a Mark IV Supra. It's gonna be great stuff.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  He was so hot from not having his air conditioning fixed, he just lost control.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Um, none of this happened, thankfully.

• 1:02:36Doug DeMuro?

  I, uh, I want to talk about 991s.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  I, I removed that from my list because I felt like we talked about 991s too much.

• 1:02:44Doug DeMuro?

  And I actually wonder if we had, we had, there's this short going around that blew up, that we were like, 991s are gonna be the 993 of the modern era.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  You said this.

• 1:02:52Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with that still.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  You said that, because I don't agree with that.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  I don't agree with it. I said the 997. It's the modern.

• 1:02:56Doug DeMuro?

  The market agrees with me.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  No, 997.2.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  I don't agree with that, yeah. 991s are high.

• 1:03:01Doug DeMuro?

  991s are 85.

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  Well, we sold a couple.

• 1:03:06Doug DeMuro?

  The market is.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Look at this. There's a 20,000 mile S for it sold for 74.

• 1:03:11Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know what a 20,000 mile 991S was sold for right now?

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  It's also, it's also seven years newer.

• 1:03:17Doug DeMuro?

  This is a base. These are base cars.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  I know. The one with 57,000 miles.

• 1:03:21Doug DeMuro?

  This car with 57,000 miles sold for 80 plus. The one we sold today was a tip and it sold for 79.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  I know. The 991s are up.

• 1:03:29Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  991s are up more, but 991s are up.

• 1:03:33Doug DeMuro?

  Up more relative, but 991s never went down. It is wild to me what this market looks like.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  I know. I can't believe the number one. I, I do suspect there aren't that many 991.2 sales that I find interesting because they're mostly PDK. I wonder though, whether they're lower because those are the turbocharged 3 liter and instead of the.

• 1:03:51Doug DeMuro?

  Regardless, the 991.1, the market is absolutely treating it like it's the end of an era.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Doug DeMuro?

  Like I predicted.

• 1:03:58Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  The dot twos are not that much though, actually.

• 1:04:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but they're way newer.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  They're, they're new.

• 1:04:02Doug DeMuro?

  Way newer and they are not crazy money. 991.1s that are like base model cars with mid miles.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  Especially with sticks.

• 1:04:11Doug DeMuro?

  Are selling for, with sticks are selling for like crazy money.

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 1:04:14Doug DeMuro?

  Sean desperately wanted the big wheel brown one and he got so beaten out that he's still crying about it. And then this one, the black one sold for even more with even more miles.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  And I, but I thought just recently we were talking about how 991s are coming finally.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  They were. I, I said that on a podcast three weeks ago when that was true for the results on Cars and Friends. And then somehow they're ticking back up.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Because we, because you talked about it.

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  More than ticking, they're going crazy.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  The commenters are right. We overhyped it and now they're going up.

• 1:04:41Doug DeMuro?

  I am astonished at that market.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Convertible PDKs, by the way, are an exception. So if you want a 991 convertible PDK, you can get a good value.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  The cheat code with all 911s is the cab. If you want a good value, you get the cab. They're always so much cheaper.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's PDK on like.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  I still would love a 991.1 tip as like a daily.

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  Buy a tip cabriolet. They're 50 grand.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  It's not going to go down at all.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  I can't imagine going down more than that. No.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  It's NA.

• 1:05:06Speaker 03

  Well, but you should consider it truly.

• 1:05:08Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, you know what car, you know what car was, was cheap? Go to. Pull up, press up, press up, type up, right up, press up.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Doug DeMuro?

  DB11.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  Oh, I saw that result.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:18Doug DeMuro?

  So this car had a salvage title and so it didn't, it didn't sell.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  The colors were for those of us who are.

• 1:05:23Doug DeMuro?

  Bad colors. But 51.5, now it didn't sell, okay?

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  But the market felt.

• 1:05:28Doug DeMuro?

  The market views a salvage title DB11 with only 10,000 miles to be worth 50. And I'm sitting here looking at 991s with 60,000 miles selling for 80. And by the way, this is true over on Bring the Trailer also, it's, they're all, the 991 market's crazy. DB11s, you want to bargain, you go pick up a DB11. Are these V12s? No, that, that, the one that sold for. This one wasn't, but is this one? The one that sold for 80 is not a V12. Yeah.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  But can I, along that train of thought, can I talk about a V12 Aston? So I think that, I have said on the Cars and the Buds.

• 1:05:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Uh, that I think that V12 Astons, I think Astons in general are undervalued. I still cannot believe that these Vantage S's are so cheap for what they are. I think all Aston Martins offer unbelievable value and incredible performance. It's a hundred grand, yeah, but a manual one is more than double that. I know this is an automatic, but like huge, giant 560.

• 1:06:19Doug DeMuro?

  You don't think a hundred for a 9,000 mile tip is like? It seems about right where I would, is expected to be.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  It feels a little more than I would personally.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  I think it's, it's such a special car.

• 1:06:28Doug DeMuro?

  That number is, is really impressive. Why did that car sell so cheap?

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  A lot of miles, I think it had tons of miles on it.

• 1:06:33Doug DeMuro?

  Seventy, seventy-three thousand miles.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  But even so, like, I would happily buy this car. I just think Astons, like in general, are really, offer an incredible experience.

• 1:06:41Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with that.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Not, I mean, it's a lot of money, but it's not a lot.

• 1:06:44Doug DeMuro?

  A V12 in a car this size is pretty legit.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  That's unbelievable.

• 1:06:47Doug DeMuro?

  565 horsepower is pretty cool, especially with a stick for 85, that was a.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  That was, and it was not an S. The S's are like $250,000 cars.

• 1:06:54Doug DeMuro?

  Um, you want to talk about the RS2? Pull it up. No, I actually. Pull up the RS2.

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  Really want to talk about the Corolla XRS.

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the RS2 first.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  No, no, go to, go to the RS2 first.

• 1:07:02Doug DeMuro?

  So I want to tell you a story about the RS2. Anybody who's not selling wagons on Cars and Bids is insane. This RS2 went over on the Bring the Trailer and sold for, and R&M for a fraction of its actual worth, if we're being honest, and came over to the Cars and the Bids and sold for all the money that it absolutely deserved, because it's cool as hell. Cars and Bids is so clearly the wagon place.

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Doug DeMuro?

  And, um, it's just true. And this car proves it. Seventy, seventy-five.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Fifty-three percent more than the prior.

• 1:07:31Doug DeMuro?

  Result over on the trailer place. This car is, I still think it's cool and it still uses Porsche mirrors after all this time.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  And wheels.

• 1:07:40Doug DeMuro?

  And wheels and turn signals and a lot of other stuff.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  It's still a cool car.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  And uh.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  You want one, don't you? Uh, I realized when thinking about this car that I don't.

• 1:07:50Doug DeMuro?

  You don't want much.

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  But I did like yours a lot.

• 1:07:51Doug DeMuro?

  You want the Corolla XRS.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  I do. Okay, we have a Corolla XRS.

• 1:07:54Doug DeMuro?

  You know what this car is?

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  The one that's live, the one that's live.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  We just gotta talk about it.

• 1:07:57Doug DeMuro?

  For a brief period, I think there may have actually been two generations. Toyota took the, the four cylinder engine that was in the Lotus Elise and other Toyotas. Like the Matrix XRS and the Vibe GT and they put it in a Corolla. And from the outside, it basically can't be told apart. There's a couple of ways that guys like me and Filippo can tell.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  How? Is it the?

• 1:08:19Doug DeMuro?

  It had its own wheels. The bumpers were a little different. It had a spoiler, minor though, because the regular Corolla S also had this stuff. It was just a little different.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  The spoiler was a little worse than this.

• 1:08:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  Um, it's such a cool car. This has got to be the nicest, single nicest one in existence.

• 1:08:33Doug DeMuro?

  You've got to assume dynamically. It's not that great.

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  Who cares?

• 1:08:36Doug DeMuro?

  I know, because the power, that powertrain, I had that powertrain in the Elise. It is so good.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  Looks good. I don't like this Russian Corolla very much, but somehow this.

• 1:08:43Doug DeMuro?

  Really? This isn't your favorite gen Corolla?

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  No, my wife actually had one for a bit. Um.

• 1:08:48Doug DeMuro?

  What's your favorite gen Corolla? This is my favorite. Oh, three to oh eight.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  The one before it.

• 1:08:55Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  There was also Chevy Prism, yeah.

• 1:08:57Doug DeMuro?

  That was such a mediocre car.

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  It was a better car, I think.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  That's the kind of car you.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  I find this.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  But that's the kind of car he wants is raucously mediocre.

• 1:09:04Doug DeMuro?

  The current Corolla is pretty damn good.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  It's a good car.

• 1:09:06Doug DeMuro?

  Um, is this your favorite Corolla? The current Corolla with the hybrid is hard to argue against, to be honest. It's a damn good car.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  Here's a fun fact.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  This is, I'm sorry.

• 1:09:15Speaker 03

  No, please.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  This is the kind of car I love that's been like well kept. Like this, it's.

• 1:09:18Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Kenan.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  This is beautiful.

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  This has 21,000 miles. It's got the manual. It's got the, the 2ZZ. It's unmodified. It's in Arizona.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  You have never owned a Japanese car.

• 1:09:27Doug DeMuro?

  This motor in the Elise was so good. You'd be on it and you'd be going fast and then the, the, the, it kicks in at this like super hard, the variable bottom thing kicks in. There's a super high rev and then it goes even faster and it was like.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Now granted, this is front wheel drive, has four doors, is heavier and it's.

• 1:09:43Doug DeMuro?

  It also has.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Dynamic is the Elise, but the heart beats the same.

• 1:09:46Doug DeMuro?

  Let me make a suggestion though. You could convert it to mid-engine rear wheel drive. It's already been done. It's gotta be possible.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  Just a couple of cold ones.

• 1:09:57Speaker 03

  Underneath the rear seats, obviously.

• 1:10:00Doug DeMuro?

  Hey dude, they did it in the MR2 also.

• 1:10:01Speaker 03

  Yep, this is so, truly, this is so cool. Here's a fun fact, I drove a Corolla S of this gen, automatic, to your wedding.

• 1:10:08Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, how beautiful.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  Fun fact, but this is a cool, cool car.

• 1:10:11Doug DeMuro?

  I've always found this car cool, I agree with you, never seen him.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Oh, this has a reserve, I was gonna say you should bid on it.

• 1:10:16Speaker 03

  I would, except for the fact that it has a reserve.

• 1:10:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yep, that's the one, that's the thing that's happened yet.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  No, but it's so cool.

• 1:10:24Doug DeMuro?

  This is well kept and the El Monte thing is a nice touch, uh, go bid on this Corolla XRS.

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  It's so nice.

• 1:10:29Doug DeMuro?

  Um, your Z3M commentary is, I agree with you completely, pull that up.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  Yes, I don't understand this, so when Porsches come up in unusual colors, they sell for a gazillion dollars.

• 1:10:40Doug DeMuro?

  It's fluff and gluff and gray, I've never seen anything like this color before.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  Exactly, it comes to market, rent list goes absolutely insane and people lose their minds. BMW Z3s, this is not the same, now this color is evergreen, this is on the Z3M, it was offered on the car.

• 1:10:54Doug DeMuro?

  You know this color?

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  I do.

• 1:10:55Doug DeMuro?

  It's nuts, there are even lesser colors on the Z3, but this one's out there.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  This one is out.

• 1:10:59Doug DeMuro?

  Look at the interior.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  That's the real thing, so it's green on green, which is outrageous, and if there were 964 in this color combination.

• 1:11:07Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, in 2X, 2X the value of a regular car.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Easy, 993 would absolutely.

• 1:11:10Doug DeMuro?

  It had no premium, it had no premium.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  No, that's not true, it has a 30% premium over a regular color.

• 1:11:15Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean?

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  I mean, look, this one is red.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Well, that has, that has half the miles and isn't, doesn't have a clerical issue.

• 1:11:21Doug DeMuro?

  What was the mileage on this one? I will also say, this one is in Maine, which always.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  It's about 56,000 miles.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  Miles shown, there's a clerical error, but you know, you.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  The 56,000 miles shown, this one had 192.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  These are reliable.

• 1:11:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they are.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  I think that's truly.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  That's 52.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  It's like an 18,000 to $21,000 range there.

• 1:11:37Doug DeMuro?

  Nonetheless, I completely agree with him that this does not add.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  How much did it weigh, this one?

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  Remember the Boxster?

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Look at 78,000 miles on this one. Yeah, but it's about the same.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  Good color to special color is a 30% difference.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, Mr. Percentage, it is a negligible difference.

• 1:11:54Doug DeMuro?

  What, what did this sell for?

• 1:11:55Speaker 03

  76,000.

• 1:11:55Doug DeMuro?

  How many miles was it on?

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  This one had, uh, this one had 78,000 miles, so about the same.

• 1:11:59Doug DeMuro?

  The other one was 56, and also 17 to 21 is not 30%. It's something close, what are you talking about?

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  I was adding a grand on top, I was rounding.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Money is nothing to Filippo.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  Twenty-five percent.

• 1:12:13Doug DeMuro?

  He was wrong about the mileage and the price. He's doing great.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  It's like twenty-six percent around.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  I think my point stands. Like, I mean, we sold another one. I mean, this one down here.

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  No, you're right. I don't disagree with that.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  It's like seventeen.

• 1:12:22Doug DeMuro?

  What's that heinous color? You know the one I'm talking about?

• 1:12:25Speaker 03

  The tannish one?

• 1:12:26Doug DeMuro?

  There was, no, it was like pistachio. Was that it? It was absolutely decrepitly terrible.

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  We've sold one that color, I swear.

• 1:12:32Doug DeMuro?

  We've sold one or two in that. And remember that military green? Or that was on the Z4?

• 1:12:36Speaker 03

  Wow, that evergreen one failed to sell at twenty-three grand with no miles. All right, maybe there is no premium at all.

• 1:12:42Doug DeMuro?

  They don't care. There's no premium on it. People don't care. And I think it is a course hell color.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  They're all colors, you know? All the Z, all the good Z3s.

• 1:12:48Doug DeMuro?

  Not all of them. A lot of them are silver. A lot of them are silver. Or red.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Remember when we sold that nine-eight-six Boxer, pre-Boxer hype? That was nephrite green and whatever.

• 1:12:57Doug DeMuro?

  With the same interior.

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  That also didn't have a strong premium.

• 1:13:00Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  People for these cars, these are cheap and disposable. Like, you want the one you want. There's gonna be a little bit more demand.

• 1:13:06Doug DeMuro?

  We have auctioned two-hundred-and-sixty-three Z3s. If you just type in Z3.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  Z3, wow, that.

• 1:13:11Doug DeMuro?

  Z3s are interesting to me because they were all kept as second cars, so it's very easy to find them with low miles. They very rarely have miles.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Actually, this is a great one to buy. The three-liter. Also, they don't weigh much at all.

• 1:13:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  So even if you just get the three-liter, not the M, which the M54, M54 is a very reliable motor.

• 1:13:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yep, had one.

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  This is a really great car.

• 1:13:33Doug DeMuro?

  They are dynamically actually pretty good.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  The difference was yours was in an SUV that it could barely move out of its way. This is a little sports car.

• 1:13:39Speaker 03

  My idea was.

• 1:13:40Doug DeMuro?

  The motor was reliable.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  The motor, after I fixed it, was reliable, yes.

• 1:13:43Doug DeMuro?

  I think these Z3s are all generally pretty good bargains.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:46Doug DeMuro?

  But it is interesting, like, they're all, they, they, like you said, they're pretty tossable. They're, they're, in there, they all have basically low mileage. The, the three liters came in the late ones. You can get an M.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, yeah, and, yeah, you get the S54 if you want to go crazy. I realize they do have their shortcomings, you know, they do have the subframe issue like the M3 did, but.

• 1:14:03Doug DeMuro?

  All the Z3s have that?

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Doug DeMuro?

  Well, go back, go back to Z3 in general and go to oldest first. Is that a thing we do?

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  We do not do oldest first.

• 1:14:10Doug DeMuro?

  Cause I wanted James Bond one.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  Oh, you want the one, was the one point?

• 1:14:14Doug DeMuro?

  End it ninety-eight. End it ninety-eight.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  Okay, that was like, the James.

• 1:14:17Doug DeMuro?

  I only want to look at that James Bond color.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  You remember what I'm talking about?

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  I do.

• 1:14:21Doug DeMuro?

  You know, that car was in like one scene in that movie.

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, there it is.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  There it is, that blue. One-point-nine.

• 1:14:27Doug DeMuro?

  One-point-nine. That thing's probably a dog, but it's six grand. That's a pretty good deal.

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  That is pretty good.

• 1:14:36Doug DeMuro?

  To be James Bond. You could be James Bond for six grand, dude.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  A Bond car for six grand.

• 1:14:40Doug DeMuro?

  It's every dream you've ever had.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  I've never cared.

• 1:14:42Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, we gotta move on to questions. Uh, the questions were not good this week.

• 1:14:46Speaker 03

  Oh, yikes.

• 1:14:48Doug DeMuro?

  Give us good questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. There will be a post in podcast questions that says, please give us your questions. If you're listening to this right now and you're thinking, I can do better than these questions, then do. Do better than these questions. Give us the good stuff, people. We like good questions. Not what car should I get? Not if you could import any car or if you could have any automaker build you anything. Those are too broad, too. Give us the good stuff. That question last week about the Fast and the Furious, what cars would replace the car? It was the best question I've ever done.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  It was acceptable. It was a good one.

• 1:15:19Doug DeMuro?

  Dear, uh, question from Glenn Hamine. Uh, dear Ken and Filippo and Doug, what cars have you had that your partners have hated? And did their opinion cause you to eventually get rid of the car? This is only applicable to you.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Cause your partner has never hated a car.

• 1:15:33Doug DeMuro?

  My partner doesn't know what cars I have currently.

• 1:15:34Speaker 03

  Um.

• 1:15:35Doug DeMuro?

  To be honest.

• 1:15:38Doug DeMuro?

  Guarantee it.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  My wife didn't love the X5. That's cause I didn't really let her drive it because I was worried it would break down. And to be fair, it did. Often. Uh, this is battery issues and also rust issues and brake lines issues. It was the whole thing.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  You bought a good one.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  Uh, she did not.

• 1:15:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's typical Filippo.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  She really did not like the NB Miata that we had. She felt that was too small. Uh, like, just like a little too rickety and small.

• 1:16:04Doug DeMuro?

  What cars does she like? What does she like there?

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  She loves the GTI. Surprisingly loves it. And she'd otherwise been fine with it.

• 1:16:11Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna get rid of that GTI that she loves? Why not get rid of the station wagon?

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  Cause it's not, the GTI is not quite big enough. Truly, it's not.

• 1:16:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. So you need some size. You got that pickup truck now.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, but we often need seven seats.

• 1:16:21Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see this last night?

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  A spare wheel, right?

• 1:16:23Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'm gonna tell you what's in the back. I'm gonna tell you what's in the back. There's two spare wheels and a cinder block.

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  And?

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  Hell yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  And two four masts.

• 1:16:31Doug DeMuro?

  And two rubber floor mats.

• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  That's exactly what I was hoping.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  And I want you to know that I spent a long time before it got shipped here.

• 1:16:36Doug DeMuro?

  Curating what should go in the back.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  You know, and his wheels, he has two white wheels and two black wheels, and they're on opposite corners from one another.

• 1:16:43Doug DeMuro?

  Honestly, yeah, right. That's a mistake.

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  New wheels coming.

• 1:16:46Doug DeMuro?

  The way to do mismatched wheels is put them on the same side, and that way no one really realizes.

• 1:16:50Speaker 03

  There's gonna be new wheels soon because there's sixteen and a half inch wheels and really hard to find tires for it.

• 1:16:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but you can buy bolt patterned a different size.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  I know, that's what's gonna happen.

• 1:16:59Doug DeMuro?

  He's driving around with this dry rotted thing.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  I'm not driving it around. We live close.

• 1:17:03Speaker 02

  Curious the other day, because also your 911 wheels are bad. They're badly refinished.

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  They're slightly off color, yes.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  He could just buy another set. He just buy another set. They're not expensive. It's like fifteen hundred dollars. You could buy another set, just put them on and be done. Instead, you're just gonna mess around and not refinish your wheels.

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  No, I'm gonna get it refinished. Here's the difference.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  You will never.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  Here's the difference between you guys and I. I drive my car, and I don't want to give up driving it.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  I drive my car way.

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  I don't want to give up driving it.

• 1:17:27Doug DeMuro?

  You will never. You were just out of town for two weeks.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  And right now you have.

• 1:17:30Doug DeMuro?

  Two weeks. Oh, yeah. Well, it doesn't count. All right. Next question from T. Stefan to Kenan. Do you have any answers for this?

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  Uh, no. Emily drives an M3 CRT. She drives cooler cars than I do.

• 1:17:40Speaker 03

  Emily has an M3 CRT.

• 1:17:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Uh, T. Stefan, six seventy-two. Dear Doug, as a lover of E-Class wagons, would you ever buy the one-off E400 four by four squared if it became available? The amount that I have thought about this car.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  Pull it up, Kenan.

• 1:17:54Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the E-Class wagon four by four squared.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  It's not sold ever.

• 1:17:58Doug DeMuro?

  Now, I know what you're thinking, Kenan. You're thinking they didn't make an E-Class wagon four by four squared? Oh, but they did.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  They did as a concept?

• 1:18:07Doug DeMuro?

  Photos exist. It was a concept. I think Johnny Lieberman like drove it or something.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  That picture.

• 1:18:11Doug DeMuro?

  I'm dead serious. I'm not. Look at this picture. That's the car we have. I'm dead serious. If I could buy this car, I would pay deep money for it. I'm not. I'm like real hundreds of thousands of dollars to have this car.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  It'd be so cool. It's like a squared G-Wagon without the issues.

• 1:18:29Doug DeMuro?

  It's so cool. They made one. I don't know why. I think when the, when this body of E-Class wagon came out to like add a little height.

• 1:18:37Speaker 03

  It's just like you're altering.

• 1:18:39Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's the coolest thing in the world. I think very often about how I want this car, like very often about how I want this car. And, um, they never actually brought it to market, which I think was a mistake. I think it was sold.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  Imagine the engineering necessary to make it.

• 1:18:55Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you made one to make 80. Come on.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  I love they let their engineers do stuff like this, though. That's very cool.

• 1:19:01Doug DeMuro?

  You could do this. Yeah, no, I mean, I would, I would have a conversation if there's an off-road shop out there that really believes we can get this done.

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  Oh, screw that.

• 1:19:10Doug DeMuro?

  I would have a conversation.

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  Take it to Phil Chung. Have him spend the weekend with you.

• 1:19:14Doug DeMuro?

  There's not an off-road shop up there.

• 1:19:16Speaker 03

  Can I make a suggestion? So body on frame vehicles. It's a body on top of a frame. Your Sequoia is a body on frame vehicle.

• 1:19:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  Put a different body on it.

• 1:19:24Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think the E400 is a different bot, is a body on frame vehicle.

• 1:19:27Speaker 03

  Well, no, but I'm saying you don't like the image of the Sequoia, but you like the capability of the Sequoia.

• 1:19:31Doug DeMuro?

  Just put a different body on it. That is, that's what, back in the 20s, in the hot rod days, that's what people did.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  I would have some concerns about crash rigidity, but it's dual.

• 1:19:42Doug DeMuro?

  These days, I don't think that with electronics and sizing and such, I don't think that exists as much, although with those electronic, the electric vehicle skateboard chassis, it may. I'm telling you, if anyone's listening to this pod from Mercedes Benz, MB USA, MB Global, if you can sell me this car, and I know you can't, because I think it's too.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Why didn't they do this?

• 1:20:02Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's too new to import.

• 1:20:04Speaker 03

  Thing.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, but this is so much cooler than what they actually built.

• 1:20:07Speaker 03

  I know, but it's not always true.

• 1:20:08Doug DeMuro?

  Look at that. I would, I would use it. I would drive it. I'd put it on Instagram. This is sitting in a garage somewhere in Stu.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. It's in an underground garage, right?

• 1:20:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's in an underground garage in Stu Kar, and nobody's thought about it in two and a half years. And I'm sitting here every day wanting it.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:20:23Doug DeMuro?

  So like, how, how does that work?

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  We have to preserve our heritage.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  Do I want a 213 wagon now?

• 1:20:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you do. They're the best cars ever made.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Felipe, yes, you do. We've talked about this many times.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  I never have till now.

• 1:20:36Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Cheese Lover. I'll deal you in on this one, even though it's for me. Now that Doug has saved Lincoln and Nissan by urging them to make body, uh, boxy off-roaders, it's time to save Maserati. I don't think making the Levante boxy will help. They don't have any off-road credentials and pivoting is expensive. Should they put a new ultra-exclusive Halo car out? If the McPurra had a stick, would it sell? Uh, good questions. Here's how you say Maserati. Number one, you create an off-road SUV.

• 1:21:00Speaker 03

  I don't, I agree with them that.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  Imagine a Levante, like, off-road, like.

• 1:21:04Doug DeMuro?

  It wouldn't be a Levante. I think any off-road SUV done well would sell. Any, for any brand.

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  I just don't think they have any, nobody has interest in.

• 1:21:13Doug DeMuro?

  Exactly. People have interest in a Maserati. And if they could get a Raptor that was a Maserati. Have you been to Miami?

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:21:20Doug DeMuro?

  Have you been to Texas? People.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  And if it sounded good as the, as the Trofeo ones do.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  I'd be into that.

• 1:21:28Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta do that. So that's what I would do first and foremost. I'd make it boxy. I wouldn't just lift a Levante. I would make a good car. This already, already were impossible for Maserati.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  I don't know how you make a good looking Maserati styled car. Like the styling languages don't fit.

• 1:21:41Doug DeMuro?

  You go back. You ditch the styling language. It doesn't work. They build trash that no one wants. Start there.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  You go back to the bi-turbo for styling.

• 1:21:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:49Doug DeMuro?

  Or the Schumacher.

• 1:21:49Speaker 03

  Hey, there, Schumacher.

• 1:21:50Doug DeMuro?

  With the wide fenders.

• 1:21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:51Doug DeMuro?

  Number two thing you do, and this is what you really do. You have to get enthusiasts back to the brand. The only way to do it is with a real enthusiast car. Yes, you do a manual transmission, mid-engine, good car. Not a depreciation disaster like the McPira. Not a car that only sells to people in Florida who are not sophisticated car enthusiasts. A real car. Manual transmission, real car. You got a manual, real car for the car enthusiast. You got a boxy SUV for the like crazy people. Suddenly you're in business. Now you can sell Schumaches to whoever you want. Boom.

• 1:22:21Speaker 03

  Can I make a different, give a different answer?

• 1:22:23Doug DeMuro?

  What, what's your answer gonna be? Dumb lease specials like they've been doing for the last 10 year?

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  Just don't try. To give up.

• 1:22:29Doug DeMuro?

  Fundamentally. It's so sad because people watching this podcast today don't realize this, but Maserati used to be a stronger brand than Ferrari. Maserati has more heritage than Ferrari.

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  Nobody recognizes.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Well, in the 1950s.

• 1:22:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  Until they went under in the 1960s for the first time.

• 1:22:44Speaker 03

  It's a sound of what? When a company.

• 1:22:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no.

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  That's success.

• 1:22:47Doug DeMuro?

  My point is that there, there was a time when this brand, yeah.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  There was a time when the Maserati.

• 1:22:53Doug DeMuro?

  30s, 40s, 50s, they were honestly, they were more legit than Ferrari. Their history goes back longer. They have more race success in that period, period, than, than Ferrari does.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  But Ferrari did it better.

• 1:23:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, that's true.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  At the end.

• 1:23:06Doug DeMuro?

  But my point is you don't give up on a storied brand.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:09Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that would be like giving up on Sears or Kmart.

• 1:23:11Speaker 03

  Or Saab. Oh, well.

• 1:23:13Doug DeMuro?

  Or Pier 1 Imports. What you do is. You massage a storied brand. Yeah.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  I would like to see Maserati be successful. Unlike you, I don't, you just hate nice things. So like for you, you just kind of want the brand to disappear. But I agree with you.

• 1:23:31Doug DeMuro?

  You know what else you do? You win Le Mans.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  You know, and Ferrari has currently been winning Le Mans. So maybe, well, actually all those engineers went to the Formula One team, which they'll lose the championship this year, I'm sure. But, but I think that you're right.

• 1:23:43Doug DeMuro?

  Ferrari's won Le Mans the last two years.

• 1:23:44Speaker 03

  You know that we've made it so far into the F1 season without talking about F1?

• 1:23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but we've been on break all month. There's been a month. You haven't given me updates on Cadillac. My, my, my, my team, my guys, America. Although there's a Mexican involved. What's the story?

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Great Mexican driver. Well, we've been on break for the last month because they're supposed to be the sport. Because there were two races supposed to be in the Middle East and things aren't so great right there, right now. So they decided to cancel the races. We haven't had F1 all April.

• 1:24:15Doug DeMuro?

  You know what doesn't go on break is tennis. Yannick Sinner's out there playing tennis right now. And what's, what's the Mexican fellow driving my Blackwing doing?

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  I don't know what, I don't know what anybody is doing right now. I don't know what anybody's doing right now, to be honest with you.

• 1:24:28Doug DeMuro?

  So there's just nothing happening?

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Nothing has happened. The first race is this upcoming weekend.

• 1:24:32Doug DeMuro?

  Where?

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  We're back. Is this Miami this weekend?

• 1:24:33Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think, and this is a real question, do you think that during the, the break that's happening because of the Middle East situation, do you think that, that Cadillac has taken that time to retool and it will now be a competitive team?

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  They actually came out with a Vegas SUV, it's off-roader. They've just did it on the Escalade platform.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  Right. They just decided tracks, we don't need no tracks. We're gonna just go. No, I mean, it's been, it's a hard start to the season for Cadillac. Not surprisingly, because you know, they're a new team. They got, there's a lot to learn. Formula One is not easy. And so there, it hasn't been the smoothest of starts for Cadillac. But, you know, I don't remember where they're, I don't think they've scored any points yet. I might be wrong on that. But still. It's, I'll keep you posted as the season evolves.

• 1:25:14Doug DeMuro?

  Tell me when Cadillac wins their first race.

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, it's talked to you in a couple of years.

• 1:25:20Doug DeMuro?

  Um, it's, it's actually interesting because uh F1's been taking a break, but I drove here today in my Carrat G T. So in a way, F1.

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  Somebody's driving an F1 car.

• 1:25:29Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly right. F1 is not taking a break in San Diego.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  An F1 derived engine.

• 1:25:34Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I didn't even say, he's an F1 car and I agree with him.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Well, the San Diego Auto Museum, right now, there's a footwork Formula One car with the Porsche engine in it. You can go look at a real Formula One, a Porsche Formula One engine and it's not that one.

• 1:25:44Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, last question, because I gotta move on. I gotta go. I have things to do, people.

• 1:25:49Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:25:49Doug DeMuro?

  Last question, uh, uh, from who the hecked? Dear Doug, you and several of the pod friends, your pod friends have kids. Filippo also is my child.

• 1:25:59Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:25:59Doug DeMuro?

  What vehicles will you encourage your children to get for their first cars when they reach driving age and why? You know, I got a fella down my block there. Everybody.

• 1:26:07Speaker 03

  I can imagine.

• 1:26:07Doug DeMuro?

  Sure. My whole commute, my whole, everything, everything that exists in my world now is just in my neighborhood. I like don't, I got a fella down my block there. He's a fella and he's got a kid, uh, and she just turned 16 there. And you know what he got her? It's a great idea. Base model ID4. It's slow.

• 1:26:25Speaker 03

  That is not a bad idea.

• 1:26:26Doug DeMuro?

  It's free.

• 1:26:27Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:26:27Doug DeMuro?

  When he did it. I mean, I think it's, but this was a year ago. It was probably 89 bucks a month.

• 1:26:32Speaker 03

  Unfortunately, she's gonna crash because she's distracted trying to lower the rear windows.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  Ken, if you don't know, you have to press the button to make the windows switch to the rear.

• 1:26:41Speaker 02

  I've heard this. Yeah.

• 1:26:43Doug DeMuro?

  No, dude, if she crashes, it's good because it's safe. So the answer to your question is, I'm gonna get my kid an ID4.

• 1:26:53Speaker 03

  They'll love it.

• 1:26:53Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna say, hey, I know this thing's 20 years old and the range is down to 61 miles.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Let's still write them on a range.

• 1:26:59Doug DeMuro?

  Perfect.

• 1:27:00Speaker 03

  Where was like, where were they going?

• 1:27:01Doug DeMuro?

  No, but in reality, well, ever since that happened and blew my mind, I now think that that's the perfect car for your kids.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  Leasing a like cheap car.

• 1:27:08Doug DeMuro?

  Worst electric car you can find.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  They'll all be electric cars.

• 1:27:12Doug DeMuro?

  Which is a lot of them.

• 1:27:13Speaker 03

  Uh, shout out to our, one of our, our coworkers, uh, Matt Clark, who heads up our product engineering team. His daughter is seven, is sixteen, seventeen.

• 1:27:22Doug DeMuro?

  What's she driving?

• 1:27:22Speaker 03

  She got a, their old C-Max hybrid.

• 1:27:24Doug DeMuro?

  That's the same thing.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  That's the same thing.

• 1:27:27Speaker 03

  The same thing. It's fundamentally the same thing.

• 1:27:29Doug DeMuro?

  What would you buy, get, please?

• 1:27:31Speaker 03

  I would absolutely not buy.

• 1:27:33Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, what would you lease?

• 1:27:34Speaker 03

  No, no, I would.

• 1:27:35Doug DeMuro?

  Steal? You wouldn't buy?

• 1:27:36Speaker 03

  Obviously.

• 1:27:37Doug DeMuro?

  How would you procure the car then?

• 1:27:39Speaker 03

  No, I would buy something new, but, cause I, I, I don't do that for myself.

• 1:27:44Doug DeMuro?

  But don't you, but like, I agree with that, but I, this, what does it cost to lease an ID.4 for the three years that she's, goes from driving to college?

• 1:27:50Speaker 03

  For the three years total, hmm, three grand, four maybe. Yeah, no, you're not wrong.

• 1:27:55Doug DeMuro?

  You messed up there.

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  I don't know. It depends. Some like lightly used, practical automobile.

• 1:28:02Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I'm hearing?

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  Even better, a GTI.

• 1:28:04Doug DeMuro?

  ID.4.

• 1:28:06Speaker 03

  I don't know. It depends on the child. It really depends on the child.

• 1:28:09Doug DeMuro?

  I'm also only interested in the ID.4. I don't have any interest in the other stuff. Because the ID.4 has been put in my head by this fellow who lives down the street. And so.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  Smart.

• 1:28:17Doug DeMuro?

  Cause the other stuff seems too sporty.

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:28:19Doug DeMuro?

  The ID.4 came out and kinda turned its nose.

• 1:28:21Speaker 03

  Especially the ID.4 Pro, which is the base trim is. It's good stuff.

• 1:28:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. So you got, you, is some sort of lately used?

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  It depends on the child. Like, what do you have to be worried about with this child?

• 1:28:31Doug DeMuro?

  Say your child is Kenan.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Well, then all you have to worry is going to spend too long listening to Beethoven symphonies before you go to bed.

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  You gotta get a, a child like Kenan, something that will fuel his passion, like an E.46, if it was up there. And now that would be like a.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  No, that's, and that's exactly what happened.

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  No, I know. I, I think that was the right call. Like, it fueled your passion, got you into it. It would be, the equivalent now is what? Like a.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  Interesting point. I've thought about the passion fuel. Five, I six speed. That would be like the car that would be the equivalent.

• 1:28:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, you're gonna get an N.54?

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  I'm gonna give him, get an M.5. Screw it. Like, that's what Ryan did.

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry. Don't do that. No.

• 1:29:02Doug DeMuro?

  No. Don't get an N.54 for anybody you love.

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  M.54. M. as in Mark, yes.

• 1:29:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but the N.54 is the one in the 5.35, isn't it?

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  That's the N.55, I think.

• 1:29:11Doug DeMuro?

  They're both bad. Remember that video?

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  You know what, but you need unreliability.

• 1:29:15Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember that YouTube short dash cam video of that E82 one series? And the guy, it breaks down and the guy's like crashing out on the side of the highway in Texas?

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it's unreal. It's like an E82 that is breaking down or has just broken down and the dude is out like screaming and kicking the car. And it's like, yup. Uh, okay, that's the.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  It's an interesting, it's an interesting point. I will say like, my first car was a 2001 E395 25 i5 speed. Which was, the, the thing about that car, like it was a nice car and my friend Ryan's first car was an E395.

• 1:29:43Doug DeMuro?

  What year were you born?

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  I was born in 1995.

• 1:29:45Doug DeMuro?

  So the car was five, six years old when you got, when the car, you were six. So the question is.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  I was six and the car came out. So the person.

• 1:29:53Doug DeMuro?

  If you had a child today, you'd be getting the car in like 20.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  2020, it's, it's 2026 now. So you'd be, it would be, the car would have been.

• 1:30:01Speaker 03

  The car was five years older, you were than you.

• 1:30:04Doug DeMuro?

  It would be like six years from now.

• 1:30:06Speaker 03

  A 2031.

• 1:30:06Doug DeMuro?

  I wonder if anything like an E39 will even exist in six years.

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  Leaf seems like a good choice too.

• 1:30:11Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's too small.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  But my, my point with this was we were all actually ended up, you know, a lot of people were like, oh, you don't want to get your kids a nice car and stuff. But we, because of who we were as people, we were so careful with the cars. And actually Ryan built a whole business out of it. And I'm here in part because my M5 broke down.

• 1:30:26Doug DeMuro?

  That's a good, that's a good point.

• 1:30:28Speaker 03

  It depends on the child.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  It depends on the child.

• 1:30:30Doug DeMuro?

  Ken and Nancy had instead gotten for you an ID4.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  He would have rebelled and started to do drugs.

• 1:30:36Doug DeMuro?

  Drugs? Folks, I take back my advice to the ID4. I'm gonna go march down the street and tell my neighbor that he needs to buy his daughter an E39.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  An E39 M5 is the answer for everyone.

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  Bicycles exist.

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  Bicycles exist. Yep. It'll be popular in high.

• 1:30:50Doug DeMuro?

  Thank you so much, Filippo. That's lovely.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  And buses, public transit, very pro public transit.

• 1:30:54Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, can I tell you something?

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  If you live in rural Texas.

• 1:30:57Doug DeMuro?

  You.

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  We don't. I'm not trying to be a jerk.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  People do.

• 1:31:00Doug DeMuro?

  You live in sunny San Diego, in the city, urban life, warm. I live in Anchorage. And not even an inch, I live with Zilla, okay?

• 1:31:09Speaker 03

  Oh wow.

• 1:31:09Doug DeMuro?

  I can't take a bicycle.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  You hanging out with the Palans?

• 1:31:13Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know what that is. Oh, those people, she was a part of that.

• 1:31:16Speaker 03

  She, Sarah Palan, we sort of lived on with her, right?

• 1:31:18Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I don't know. I just go on Zilla there. Uh, listen, this was our best podcast of all time. Buy your kids an ID4. You got any parting advice?

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  Don't do that.

• 1:31:27Doug DeMuro?

  Go to Cars and Beds.

• 1:31:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, go to carsandbeds.com, check out our events, come, uh, submit your car for the Tire Rack event and also get tickets for the Velocity Invitational event.

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  There's an app, there's a version for Android coming. It'll be here at the same time Flippo will sell the GTI, so we're still waiting.

• 1:31:41Doug DeMuro?

  Mentally, we already have an Android app.

• 1:31:45Doug DeMuro?

  Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Goodbye.