168. Peter Crone: Why You Can't Access True Vitality Until You Free Your Mind

When we talk about health, longevity, and performance, the conversation often starts with the body. We look at biomarkers, sleep, nutrition, exercise, recovery, and protocols, hoping that if we get enough of the physical pieces right, we will finally feel better, stronger, and more alive. Yet there is another layer that can quietly shape everything from the way we handle stress to the way we heal, lead, love, perform, and experience our own potential. In this episode of Extend, I sit down with Peter Crone to explore why true vitality is not only about what is happening in the body, but also about the subconscious stories shaping the mind. We get into the patterns of inadequacy, insecurity, and scarcity, how they can keep the nervous system in survival, why health is not simply the absence of disease, and how the narratives we live inside can affect our physiology, relationships, performance, and ability to feel free. This conversation matters because it challenges the idea that physical optimization alone is enough when the mind is still operating from old constraints. Peter Crone is a renowned thought leader in human awakening and potential who helps people dissolve the subconscious constraints shaping their behaviour, health, relationships, and performance. As a transformation coach, writer, speaker, and Ayurvedic practitioner, he has become one of the most trusted voices helping elite athletes, CEOs, and people from all walks of life move beyond survival patterns and access greater freedom, clarity, and ease. What's Discussed: (01:42) How Peter's early life shaped his understanding of survival, isolation, and belonging. (03:53) Why true vitality starts with freeing the mind. (07:28) The three patterns that keep people in survival: inadequacy, insecurity, and scarcity. (09:40) Why modern healthcare often focuses on disease management instead of true health. (10:50) Why health is not simply the absence of disease. (14:15) How unconscious stories can quietly drive your life. (18:44) Why some people do not want life to end, but want an old story to end. (46:09) Why self-improvement can still keep people inside the same limited identity. Listen now and learn why the story you keep living in may be one of the biggest factors shaping your health, vitality, relationships, and what you believe is possible for your life. Thank You to Our Sponsors: Function Health: Learn more and join using my link. Visit functionhealth.com/drshah http://www.functionhealth.com/drshah and use gift code DRSHAH25 for a $25 credit toward your membership. Learn more about Dr. Darshan Shah: Website: drshah.com https://www.drshah.com/ Clinic: next-health.com https://www.next-health.com/ Instagram: darshanshahmd https://www.instagram.com/darshanshahmd Learn more about Peter Crone: Website: petercrone.com https://www.petercrone.com/ Linktree: linktr.ee/petercrone https://linktr.ee/petercrone

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• 0:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 0:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Welcome to Extend, the podcast dedicated to helping you live a longer and healthier life. Today, I'm joined by the incredible Peter Crone. He's a renowned thought leader in the mental and spiritual health space, who also brings a unique background as an exercise physiologist and biologist. Peter shares his powerful philosophy on how freeing your mind is the ultimate gateway to true vitality, and why our understanding of health often misses the mark. He'll challenge us to look beyond physical symptoms and understand the profound impact of our internal state on our overall well-being. Get ready for a mind-expanding conversation that bridges the gap between mental and physical health.

• 1:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hey, everyone. Before we dive into today's episode, I want to talk about something that you hear me talk a lot about, your biomarkers. And I want to tell you how I'm approaching this situation right now with all of the patients that are calling me from listening to this podcast. So what happens is every day, patients are writing to me saying they feel exhausted, they can't lose weight, they're having brain fog, and they see their doctor, and the doctor tells them all their blood work is normal. But the problem is, this doctor usually is only checking about 10 to 15 biomarkers that only tell you if you have a disease developing. Meanwhile, your body has 160 different systems that are running, and all of these have blood That we can test on how effective they're working for you every single day. So if someone is not close to one of my clinics, one of my next health clinics,

• 2:17Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 3:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

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• 3:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hey Peter, I'm just so excited. We finally made this happen. It's been a while coming, right?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Definitely a little overdue. It's always a joy to be with you, my friend. Yeah, thank you.

• 3:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you. Yeah, it's so interesting being on the speaking circuit. We like running to each other in Dubai and all these other exotic places in the world.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Just couldn't get it together, you know, in your own backyard. But here we are, we made it.

• 3:51Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I love it. I love it. So Peter, I mean, you're so prolific in the mental, spiritual health space. And, you know, I think a lot of people that listen to this podcast specifically are a lot of practitioners of medicine. You know, medicine, being in clinics like what we have at Next Health. And I really want to bridge the gap between mental and spiritual health and physical health for people. And I think you do an incredible job of that, especially with your background, being an exercise physiologist as well, biologist, and then the space you're in now. And I'd love for, you know, just to kind of kick this off, maybe give a little bit about your journey and how you ended up here.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, thank you. I it's been it's been an arduous at times, but a very colorful journey. I mean, going way back, I was orphaned when I was young. So that's sort of definitely intrinsic part of my story. Uh, only child, mum passed of cancer when I was seven. So that was something, obviously, I didn't really know how to process as a seven year old little boy. And then it was me and my dad for a decade. And then he worked on the ferries between England, where I was raised, and Belgium and France. And there was a major um capsize of one of the ferries. And he passed. So when I was seventeen, I was suddenly orphaned. So that was quite a unique start to this uh crazy human experience.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  And in ways I didn't understand at the time, it definitely, you know, helped formulate certain experiences, predominantly isolation, which I wouldn't wish on anyone. But but I realized that's sort of the predominant experience of what we might call our ego or identity. And when you're in that state to tie it into the health stuff that I'm sure we'll go deeper into today, you have to be in a mild to severe state of survival, right? So the sort of second law of thermodynamics, entropy, things that are falling apart, especially if you're in isolation. Like you think in prisons when they put someone in solitary confinement, that's when they really lose it, right? We primal primal need of being human is belonging. And so for me, I had this sort of visceral experience of what I would assert is the predominant state of anybody's ego,

• 5:55Speaker 01

  which is the sense of I, and I have to fill in the blank, you know? Please my parents, do what my mum wanted me to do, keep my spouse happy, keep the boss like, so it's all in the realm of survival.

• 6:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  And so when I saw that, and then as I got more into sort of what I consider to be this new operating system for humanity that I've created, I recognized that we're by design, factory default settings, programmed to make it.

• 6:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Right? Primordial primordial imperative of every mammal is to survive.

• 6:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  So in your realm of expertise, and I love everything that you do and the fact that we've become trumps over the years, which is amazing. And you've been very generous with your, you know, locations and next health, which have kept my inner workings going well. So I appreciate that. But my blanket statement, which is kind of, you know, it's a little hard for people to hear, but it's also powerful, which is you can't access true vitality until you free your mind.

• 6:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, that's so true.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  And so that's the way I put it, right? You can have all the bells and whistles, like you know, people, obviously you have them in your beautiful locations, but I, we work with similar clientele who might have their own hyperbaric at home. They're definitely gonna have the red light. They do plenty of IVs, you know, they might even have a cryogenic chamber. They do the contrast therapies with cold and hot. But when I work with them, you find out that they're still being driven by this feeling of inadequacy and security or scarcity, sort of the three main pillars of survival and fear. So why I love what I get to do and I speak at the some of the same events, even though I might be the outlier because I'm really talking about mental health. To me, that's the access to true health. Right? So you're obviously well versed in all the physical stuff, which, you know, is

• 7:33Speaker 01

  phenomenal. But I think if somebody doesn't get out of this internal state of limitation, which then generates the predominant emotion of fear, which we know in the autonomic nervous system is gonna encourage fight or flight sympathetic response, which means just even the basics of digestion aren't gonna be great. Sleep is gonna be interrupted. You know, the cortisol, the epinephrine, all the adrenaline that you're pumping into your system aren't precursors to rejuvenation.

• 8:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  So I said a lot there, but you know.

• 8:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  No, I mean, this is exactly where I'd hope we'd go.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I could tell you from my perspective as a doctor, you know, seeing patients and we are working so hard on their biomarkers and we're getting them on the right treatment protocols. We're getting their sleep optimized. We're getting their, you know, don't eat this, eat that. And we still sometimes don't make headway. And I am discovering more and more and more the, the connection between mental health, the way you talk about it and the physical health. And once we can break through. The Free Your Mind, which I want to dive into.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  People start making progress all of a sudden. I actually saw this in me, in my own personal health journey as well, you know?

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And it's such an integral part of the story. And I think it's, you know, obviously, that's not what we're taught in medical school, right?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Like, there's a broad brain barrier and nothing here affects this and vice versa. And that's how we're taught. And it's not, it's absolutely not true.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But I do want to make a distinction between, you know, when we talk about mental health in the medical space.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  We're often, you know, discussing things like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and what's the medication you can take? Maybe depression is part of that.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:15Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And that is one subset of mental health, but it's, I think a lot of people discount thinking about their mental health. If they're like, oh, I'm not on any mental health medications. I don't have schizophrenia.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Everything's fine.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And the reality is that only covers like 5% of what's really happening. It's the 95% that you talk about, about living in a state of fear and survival.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:35Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That is the real problem. And the connection, one last thing I want to make there, the connection that I can make from, you know, being a physician is, living in that state of fear and survival really affects your autonomic nervous system, which is what you you just mentioned, is that connection between the brain and your body.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 9:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And, you know, one of the measures we have of that is HRV, right? And so that's only one measure we have, and we're just scratching the surface there, really unpacking this. And I love how deep you've gone into this.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And so you had mentioned three core pillars.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Of this. Could you mention those again? And maybe can we go a little deeper?

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Insecurity, insecurity, scarcity.

• 10:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes, yes.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. So they're just sort of the catchall. But I mean, everything that you shared there is obviously a lot of overlap. So I just want to make sort of the comparison between what I feel are some of the big misnomers in life, which many of which are coming to the surface over the last few years with all of the dystopian kind of society that we seem to be revealing, right? But that aside, if you look at when you said mental health, people typically, it's sort of like a paradox, right? People talk about mental health, but in that context, they're talking about mental disease, really, right? Schizophrenia, depression, anxiety. So.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  If we look at healthcare with no knock on, like, I mean, you're like family member, you're a friend. But I, I think about all of the people that enter the industry. Heart centered, want to be of service, want to make a difference. But the actual mechanisms of the industry itself aren't in any way oriented towards health. Right. It's triage, it's emergency, it's intervention. Like if I'm in a car accident, for sure, take me to a hospital. I'll be the first to write thank you cards and send flowers to the nurses, right? But we have to make, as far as I'm concerned, if we're going to be powerful and operate from integrity, which is the power of language, right? Abracadabra, the Aramaic translation is as I speak, so I create.

• 11:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I did not know that.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Oh, isn't that brilliant?

• 11:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow, that's brilliant, yes.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we're all magicians.

• 11:27Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, the power of the word, right?

• 11:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, so in the beginning was the word, not that I'm religious, but I pull tenants from all different, like, you know, philosophies. And you recognize, wow, as I speak, so I create. So if I'm saying, I'm an idiot, I'm a loser, I shouldn't have done that. You're actually creating dissonance, right, between who you are at the core, divine soul being whatever. And then your potentiality, as I would consider a limitless boundless soul, whose inherent nature is freedom, is vitality, like vitality is your birthright. All we can do is at best stem the flow of that, which in Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, is the blockage of qi or prana, which then creates disease, right? So the downstream effect.

• 12:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  So if we, to go back to the whole point about mental health, if we look at even the moniker healthcare.

• 12:13Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  It's not healthcare, right? And, and again, this, people might get a little, you know, um.

• 12:18Dr. Darshan Shah?

  But I say this all the time, so.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's fine. I mean, I definitely talk about it a lot, as you know. So it's sick care and disease management, which has a place.

• 12:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  But it's the, the misnomers of somebody in a white lab coat has got something to do with your health. That they, if you look at the genesis of a doctor, and you can speak to this better than me. You know, you kind of learn, let's keep it simple, structure, which is anatomy. You learn function, which is physiology and biology. And then you learn, you know, wherever shit goes wrong, which is pathology.

• 12:44Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Exactly.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  And then you learn intervention, which is typically pharmacology, right? Cause all the pharmacies, uh, the pharmaceutical companies are sponsoring a lot of these schools. And then maybe stage five, you might specialize. But if you look at the genesis of what it is to be a doctor, they're experts in pathology.

• 12:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Absolutely.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  And so what the metaphor I use, because you know, I work with a ton of athletes. I said to my baseball player once to try and get him to understand the point. I said, if I took you to a new coach, would you want to know who what he does? He's like, yeah, of course. What is he specialized? I say, he specializes in striking out. He said, why the fuck would I want to go and see a guy? I said, precisely. Why would you go and see a doctor for health?

• 13:19Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Might save your life, but you know, there's a gradient between if we understand what health is, right? So even in the dictionary, Western dictionary at least, it says health is the absence of disease.

• 13:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  So that would be the equivalent of saying wealth is the absence of debt.

• 13:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Which it isn't, right? It's the absence of debt.

• 13:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Exactly, yeah.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  So why I get very passionate and animated about this whole thing is because fundamentally, to your point, mental health is typically the arena of mental health in the Western world has got nothing to do with health. What I'm talking about in terms of mental health is the access to the potentiality of the soul you are.

• 13:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  And I can get poetic all day about the divinity of who you are, but that your inherent qualities are freedom, love, joy, power, creativity, value. These are there. But when that is juxtaposed and looking through the filter of the three pillars of inadequacy and security and scarcity as your own personality, then you experience yourself as less than, not, not enough, not loved, not wanted. It's normally a negation in language, like I'm not something. But if I'm everything, then you're in conflict, right? So, you know, again, without getting too philosophical, if who I am at the core is everything, you know, the unified field of consciousness, the quantum realm, my being, my soul, my essence, but my perception of myself is in a negation of that, now I have suffering.

• 14:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  And that suffering at the psychological level then cascades downstream and eventually over time has to manifest in the physiology, depending on, you know, your constitution. If you're built like an ox, you might get away with it for a few decades. If you're not, you're going to have all sorts of sicknesses along the way. So that's, you know, I know, again, it's a lot. And maybe people at home are like, wait a minute, what? But, you know, I just like to download quickly because people can always rewind and listen. But if people treat or want access health, they have to become at least aware of what are the subtle Constraints that typically got stimulated in childhood. I don't want to get, I don't want to say created. There's a lot of this victim mindset that people have. Oh, my dad was this, my mom was that. As though that was the causation for my mental issues. It's not.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  I get very deep into the esoterics, but you arrive with constraints as far as I'm concerned. That's sort of more the karmic journey. And life, you will manifest and curate parents and situations so that you will through what I call

• 15:37Speaker 01

  not genetics, but the epigenetics of emotions, right? So you will turn on certain triggers.

• 15:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  To help you experience your own feeling of inadequacy, which is what you're here to transcend. So those are the inadequacies. You know that I'm not enough, the insecurities, I'm not safe, the scarcities of I don't have enough. They're the sort of the, the, the broad strokes of what people deal with in everyday life.

• 15:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. And to your point, you know, what I really like about what you're saying is feeling vitality is a birthright. Like we're born to feel vital. We're not born to put these blocks in place. We just do those. Just living this modern environment, right? That we live in. Like this is where like, I think from the moment you realize the world you live in, you start putting into place these blocks because it is a scary world. There is a lot going on and then you just do start suffering these, you know, traumas, whether they be big traumas or little traumas that add up over time. And you just live in this place.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Forever.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And you like forever, meaning your entire life.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And very few people ever take the time or even believe in the fact that we are universal consciousness and in living in the quantum realm with our soul, right? And so you, you just even forget the structure exists.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Unfortunately.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  It's the ultimate blind spot, right? It's like we with this, those things that we're aware of, right? We know that, for example, that we're here, that we can see each other, you know, in that sort of conscious state. But what I'm working with really is subconscious, unconscious. And like Carl Jung had a beautiful quote. He said, until you make the unconscious conscious, it will drive your life, but you'll call it fate. Isn't that beautiful? So that's where we sort of slip into, well, this is. Just life, it's hard, it happens to me, right? And that's that victim mindset, which is fundamentally very disempowering. And then that leads to accusation and blame where we point fingers at everybody, not realizing that's perpetuating, sustaining our own absence of power.

• 17:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  But to me, to go back to the abracadabra statement, we're all magicians. It's just most people aren't aware of their own power to declare their own life.

• 17:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  They're doing it unconsciously, like, oh, that always happens to me. I remember I was working with a client first time in London. This is, um, when I started my career twenty five years ago, doing more what I'm doing before I was more in the physio, physiological world of training and sculpting bodies. But I realize that's good, but it's not as powerful, right? You've got to clear this out first. But anyway, I was working with someone, she had to excuse herself, go and use the restroom. And we were starting to, she was starting to understand the power of how she was speaking about herself unconsciously, but nonetheless, in a very disempowering way. And she walked into the restroom, she came back in and she had a big smile on her face and said, oh my God, I just, I just saw it in action. I'm like, what do you mean? She said, well, there was another woman in the restroom and she went to get the tissue, knocked something out and said, oh my gosh, I'm just so clumsy.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Right? And now like, I wonder how long that piece of code has been there.

• 18:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  That then becomes self fulfilling, right? And that's where I love what I get to do because people have generated, not just in physiological issues, disease, mental disease, but also in their relationships and their finances, because it has to be an extrapolation of who we are, right? Our identity is a precursor and commensurate with all the things that happen out there. And so when you shift the internal narrative, it's incredible how quickly the circumstances of our life start to reorient. You know, I've had people in my mastermind, it's a three and a half month program, my biggest offering, where I teach these distinctions, where people, I had a woman, twenty nine, young, but stage four endometriosis. And because she was living in the prison, right?

• 19:12Speaker 01

  You talk about living in the environment, that is an extension and contributes to the scarcity, lacking in insecurities. But she was living in the prison of, um, she, she doesn't matter, she's not important.

• 19:23Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  So that was something that she experienced as a child, right? Feeling the dismissive energy, not that her parents were horrible, but that was her experience. What better way to physiologically manifest for a woman, her lack of importance than to shut down? Maybe the arguably the most powerful thing a woman can do, which is create life, right? And so she's like, wow. And then as soon as she saw that wasn't true, which is my work is what I call a double negation. So if someone feels they're not good enough as a simple example, I'm like, where, where does that live? Am I going to find a tuck behind your, you know, your kidneys? It's like, it's the story.

• 19:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  So you're not, not good enough. If we dissolve that, how would you feel? And people are like, I, I, I don't even know. I've never experienced that. But in that, that's where the freedom starts. And then that freedom is a precursor to the whole physiology shifting. And for this woman, I think it took six to eight weeks later, she went for a checkup, no endometriosis.

• 20:16Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Wow.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Didn't do anything apart from shift her internal energetic signature.

• 20:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. You know, I had another, remind me another podcast, because I had Maya. I'm not going to say her last name right, so I'm not going to say it right now, but her name is Maya. And she wrote a book about how she had very, very severe inflammatory bowel disease and she was in the hospital. And they were going to remove her entire colon.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:38Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And she just started visualizing her way. And in fact, her book is called Visualize. I don't know if you've met her or not, but she's incredible. Very similar story, just visualizing and telling yourself a different story.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  About what's happening in her gut.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Got out of the hospital with no surgery and she's been living years without disease. And I, I hear these stories over and over and over again.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:59Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And, you know, the skeptics will say, oh, well, that's just a one off or.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:03Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, that's mumbo jumbo. But the reality is these stories, they exist, right?

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And, and these are for people that are in stage four endometriosis, inflammatory bowel disease that are about to get colon removal.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Even if one percent of that is true, imagine what a big difference it can make in your life.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  It's massive.

• 21:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right?

• 21:20Speaker 01

  I mean, one of the big things, I think one of my biggest reels on Instagram is where I talk about suicidal ideation. You know, take it to the extremes where people are just so devastated, whether it be emotionally or even physically, where they've been dealing with sickness for a long time. And, you know, what I teach. People, we have a documentary coming out this year about it. I say you got to be able to distinguish between the difference of like you want to die, which isn't a truth, that's how you feel. Uh huh. Come compared to, there's a part of your narrative that is wanting to die, that doesn't serve you anymore. Uh huh. So the feeling of being in the world of I'm not lovable, nobody wants me. Yeah. You know, that's devastating, right? And then it's like, well, what's the point of living? We we go into apathy, hopelessness. And then there's that feeling of like, I might as well kill myself.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  But it's only because of the story and the dialogue that they've been living in for so long, that there is that feeling of hopelessness. So it's a powerful distinction. The number of people have come up to me or even comment on my page. It's so moving. They're like, you, you literally saved my life, right? Even on that post, people are writing this reel just saved my life. Wow. Just to distinguish like, oh, I don't want to die, but I want to stop feeling like I'm useless or nobody cares about me. That's a horrible thought. That goes back to your question at the beginning, when I was seventeen and by myself, it's a horrible place to be. Right. And so when people feel like this feeling of segregation, separation, that their own parents perhaps, or even their own spouses

• 22:46Speaker 01

  don't care about them, if we then do default to worthlessness, you know, and so being able to see these conversations that define us and then lead to physiological manifestation. That's why I use the word dis-ease, right? If you really break it down, it's the absence of ease. Ease would be reflective of the parasympathetic. You're in a state of peace. Right. So the woman Maya, whatever she was saying, I would say for people who might not believe, because I don't really talk about affirmations. Affirmations, um, it's a crass, excuse my French, but it's like whipped cream on shit usually because you've got the deeper story about yourself and then you're like, no, I'm a winner. So and that doesn't work, but Maya obviously tapped into something different where

• 23:27Speaker 01

  we got to look at how those words manifest an energy, how we feel, right? We it has to be visceral and semantic, right? People can all day, I work with some of the best athletes in the world and they can say I'm a winner, but if they don't believe it, it doesn't do much, right? So it's really getting into, yes, it is. Words, words carry vibration, they are a certain frequency. But if that's embodied in either direction, you know, it's like Henry Ford's great quote. He said, whether you believe you can or you believe you can't, you're right.

• 23:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  I mean, so powerful, right?

• 23:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It's so true.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  So that's where I love to play with the linguistic, what I call fortresses of what hold people back is these stories of woe. These stories of constraint and that has to be relative to the nature of who we are. A state of dis-ease, it just has to be.

• 24:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  You know, if who I am is everything, I'm boundless, timeless, this limitless being. But I'm being corralled by a narrative of sort of limitation. It's like putting this prize horse in a, in a.

• 24:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  Trailer and it can't move anywhere. After a while, it's going to start to kick and scream.

• 24:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right, exactly. So like, what, like, you know, I think. We can go all the way from someone with suicidal ideation, all the way up to the athlete that's trying to improve their game.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 24:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And, you know, I, I, you know, you talked about both of them within the same few sentences and it's so true.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:46Dr. Darshan Shah?

  This applies to every, everyone, whether you're in a state of, right?

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  In, in a horrible state where you're about to, you know, take your own life, all the way up to. You know, you're on the court, just doing extremely well and you just want to add that little edge.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It still helps, right?

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Massively. I mean, I often make this analogy, which for some people is jarring, but you know. Here in L A, I'm not here often, but I lived here a while ago and you know, there's a lot of homeless, right?

• 25:12Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  And so I was helping somebody understand the mechanics of how our subconscious, based on how we react to it. Could delineate two very different lives, but nonetheless be driven by the same fundamentals, right? So you could go into Santa Monica, you see a guy driving his G Wagon, he has a corner office and maybe has a house out here in Malibu or the Palisades or whatever. And so it looks like on the surface, he's doing great. Conversely, you could be outside of the guy's office building and there's a dude who's there with a sleeping bag and a piece of cardboard saying, please help. What I want people to understand is that the deepest level of somebody's identity, they might have the same code. What that means is, to keep it simple, they might both think that they're not enough. Perhaps the executive who's making his, you know, three, four hundred grand a year,

• 25:59Speaker 01

  his not enough was that his father would constantly criticize him. Maybe he played Little League as a kid and it was just he would get in the car. And even though he went three for four, four for five, you know, he batted a good game. His dad was always, well, what happened to the fifth at bat? And I actually had an MLB guy like that, who was one of the best. He would go four for five, batting eight hundred. For people who don't follow baseball, that's pretty damn good. But he would still kind of like look sullen and we're like, well, what's up? He's like, well, you know, I could have got it. And it's like, where did you learn that? Well, my dad, you know. So anyway, to finish the point, the person who was perhaps berated, belittled and shamed, sometimes the ego's compensation is I will disprove the way that people see me. Right? So sort of Kobe's renowned for that a little bit, Kobe Bryant, right? It's like if someone says you can't do something, I'm going to show them that I can.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  It's a defiant attitude. So that's where we could say that there's a degree of survival that's based in will, where I'm gonna show you what I can do. What people don't understand is you're still being driven by the same mechanisms, which is fear. So that person might, you know, he'd probably be on a beta block for high blood pressure. Might be a second marriage because there's a lot of friction in the marriage. And there's this perfectionism that is sort of the compensation or the coping strategy for the inadequacy. Now let's cut to the guy who's out in the streets. He's not enough and he was shamed and belittled, same mechanics, but he bought into it. Like this is who I am. Right? So we either have the antithesis where I'm trying to disprove it, or I will just buy straight into it.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  And so the mechanics of how life manifests looks different, but it's really being driven by the same fundamental subconscious narrative. Isn't that fascinating?

• 27:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's incredible. I almost think of like two twins being raised in the same household, but the same dad that's, you know, berating them for, you know, not getting the fifth at bat. And one believes that, one doesn't. But they end up in a completely different place because of that, just that belief, right? Over time, it's.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  And that's where I think, you know, even for parents, like, which I help a lot because they are so, in a beautiful way, conscientious about how they raise their kids, right, as you can probably attest to. But what I reckon, what I tell people is, first of all, you can't mess it up. Every soul contract is there, right? Your kids have attracted you for whatever, like, idiosyncrasies you have, whether you're like, hopefully, like, a very loving, unconditionally caring parent, who wants nothing but the best. And sadly, some kids grow up in a family where the parents are a little bit more absent or dismissive, right? Which I don't, I don't condone that. But no kid grows up in the same house because they have their own view of life. Everybody has their own perspective, isn't that fascinating? So even twins, you know, where genetically you've got this mirror.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  But the actual fundamentals of the soul and the journey that they're here to pursue can be vastly different. So that's where kids, you know, for me, they're just so fascinating, especially, I'm not a parent, but I've, I've helped so many parents and then kids who are of theirs. But I just feel like it's fascinating to meet the being and what is their own story? What is it that they're here to fundamentally discover and transcend, you know? So I think for parents, we ought to understand that, wow, you know, you could have kids that you're like, you're like, why is this even our kid? You know, it's like genetically, of course, but like the, the emotional, intellectual components of why that child chose you, there could be vastly different stories, you know?

• 29:17Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Exactly.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  One kid could become the A student, the other one could struggle with some drug addiction, you know?

• 29:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, and, and you know, I'm, I'm a parent of two kids.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  You met them, actually.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:26Dr. Darshan Shah?

  In Dubai, yeah.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Twelve and nine, and I think about this all the time. It's, um, you know, what are the decisions I can make as a parent that could hopefully lead to a life where they are free?

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yes, totally, yeah.

• 29:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Because, you know, I grew up in a environment that I was like, you know, I got an A minus, why didn't you get an A plus?

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:47Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I got, I had lots of constraints put on me, right? And I don't know if the opposite of that is necessarily the best way. Like, I don't want them running amok and just doing whatever they want, you know, so, right?

• 29:58Speaker 01

  No, it's funny, it's like anything, like in Ayurveda, you know, when I first studied Ayurveda twenty five years ago. Whereas I was in shock, but in awe, like I was like, finally, someone knows what they're talking about, right? Cause it's not like this manmade system of the balanced diet or the South Beach diet or eat right for your blood type. You know, they all have contributing factors, but this is based on the elements of the universe where you've got space, air, fire, water and earth. And it's like, they all have their inherent qualities. I was like, wow. So then I recognized that there is a predilection to certain expressions, both psychologically and physiologically, right? So we do the best we can, but within Ayurveda, we recognize that health is dynamic. It's not static, right? People think like, I want to be healthy or I want to get to my potential.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Like it's sort of this final, like this finish line destination. No, depending on your age, depending on the seasons, especially if you live in a place that does have seasons, you know, LA doesn't have so much. You know, there's depending on the cycles of the day, if you're a woman, I mean, you're going to go through all of your four stages, right? From menstruation, follicular ovulation, luteal, you know, you, you are constantly being a different human. And so to be able to incorporate that with a little bit more grace and compassion for ourselves. So certainly when it comes to kids, when they're already going through this process of metamorphosis, especially when they get into their teens, you know. That sounds right there. Yeah, it's never, it's never static. No.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  And that both can be, you know, at times trying, but also it's the beauty of life that we are constantly given the opportunity to, to reconfigure, to reorient. You know, like the old adage of the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second time is now. Well, the same is true of your own health, your own aspirations, you know, you could sit there and I've had so many people that are just in their wallowing state. Cause ah, you know, I just feel like I should be further on with my life, you know, compared to where I look at my, my colleagues from school. Or I look at my, you know, friends at work and they all seem to be so much further ahead than me, you know? Well, okay, having that thought is only going to perpetuate the very underlying malaise that has you not get on with your life, right?

• 32:06Speaker 01

  And so it's self perpetuating. So for me, health, wellness, mental health, uh, all your dreams and aspirations, it's all available now, right? And if you make a choice that is really towards something versus away from something, the ego is typically trying to get away from something. You know, even something proactive like going to the gym to get in shape at the beginning of the year. People are typically driven by, well, my doctor said I've got to get off my statins or I've got to lose weight. I'm close to type two diabetes.

• 32:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  You know, so you're being driven by what you don't want, right? That's back to the definition of health, right?

• 32:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Exactly.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  The absence of disease.

• 32:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Versus if you can start to go, okay, if I was completely free, and we did a prompt recently on my Instagram that elicited a big, big reaction, which is I said, just ask yourself one question. Who could you be in the absence of your concerns?

• 32:56Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Hmm.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  And it's sort of a little like, if you didn't have any concern, like, who could you be? And it sort of taps into that underlying sense of possibility that I would assert is our birthright, right? We see that in kids, right? Kids are just, everything's possible.

• 33:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  So that to me is like being able to, whether it's a parent, whether it's the child, whether you're in a midlife crisis, whatever it is you're going through, you do right now have the opportunity to hit the reset button.

• 33:21Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  Might be some cleaning up to do in housekeeping. You know, if you've been acting a certain way, behaving, you've had a habit that's, you know, alcohol, whatever. You know, there's going to be the byproducts of that over time.

• 33:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Sure, sure.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  But you do have the opportunity to make a new choice today in terms of what is it that you truly, if you were free, which you are underneath it all, what would it be that you would do for yourself? And throw in a little bit of self-worth in there because self-destruction is typically the byproducts of not having much self-worth. But if you could couple those, that I'm free and I'm the only me on the planet, that worth, that's worth something, right? That should, that should inspire some reverence, right?

• 34:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  I always joke the expression, you're one in a million. Like, you know, that's like a compliment. I'm like, but there's eight billions. That means you're one in eight thousand. It's really not that special.

• 34:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Exactly.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  There's another seven thousand nine hundred.

• 34:13Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  No, you're one in eight billion. And if you really get that, you would treat yourself with a slightly different perspective.

• 34:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah. You know, I think the thoughts you put into your mind are so powerful about where you are right now, what you've been through.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  In. It's easier just as a human to put those thoughts into words sometimes to really solidify them. So to your point earlier, like the what you're saying and what you're actually coming out of your out of your lips is so important, right?

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And then also, I find also writing really solidifies as well. So I do a lot of journaling.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  A lot of my journaling is about, you know, like, like you said, like freeing my brain to just really go into places that if I were not constrained, where would I be?

• 34:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right? And so that's also been helpful for me. And I'm just trying to give like, you know, what are some steps people can do to actually turn this thought into a practice, right? So do you have other things that people can?

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Sure. I mean, I think the two you just cited are like imperative, right? Because when we're by ourselves, you're in the car driving, you're in the shower, you're going to bed at night, can't sleep, you're sort of left with your own internal dialogues. And what happens is it's so the proximity to the idea of ourself, it's so close, right? Like, we think the voice in our head is us.

• 35:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  But if we just break that down very subtly, in the world of physics, if you're aware of something, you can't be it, right? The observer and the observed. So even your thoughts, the fact that you're aware of them means they can't be you, or you can't be them. However, to your point, to create a little bit of extra ease and separation, write it down, journal, or preferably speak to someone who you know has your back, right? That's the beauty of friendships, relationships, is to speak into a safe space, and ideally with somebody who knows how to listen, they have presence and they care, and maybe they have some powerful reflection. So, you know, if I were to say I had a superpower of some kind, it's really the ability to truly listen.

• 36:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yes.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  And this is something I work with all my corporate people, like leaders who want to be great, you know, CEOs and C suites and founders, is they're often under the misinterpretation that it's incumbent upon them to tell people what to do. But I always say we've got two ears and one mouth, you know, and so use them proportionally. So to listen, isn't that cool? Yeah. So, so for me, that would be the first thing is get it out on pen and paper. So it creates, you know, even as though you could almost write it as an exercise. I sometimes people like, well, who do you go to? Like you help everybody around the world. So sometimes I will literally write as though I am speaking to myself. I mean, people are now doing it a little bit on A I, which I don't wanna, but we've got an A I coming out.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  I met a guy at this conference, I was like, yes, he's like, dude, oh my God, I'm such a big fan. I literally have an avatar of you.

• 36:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, my gosh. He's created his own avatar of you.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I don't wanna put that out there because we're creating the real deal. So we're actually creating my own. So that's coming soon.

• 37:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I can't wait.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gonna be super cool. It's insane. Like, I mean, I studied I T as well. So I'm a little bit in the tech world, but what's, what they're able to do today is like, it's literally my voice. It's all the things. But anyway, so I would even write down whatever I believe is on my mind. Whatever I think that I'm struggling with, I might then leave it for a day or two. Because if you're still in that state, because emotionally, whatever you're writing about, typically you're gonna have the charge that is obviously associated with, like, you know, someone might say, well, my mom said da, da, da, and it really pissed me off. Well, you're now in that state of mild fight or flight, right? So you're not gonna have clarity, you're not gonna access your, your intelligence from that place. Leave it for a day or two, come back to it, read it as though it was a friend of yours. And what sort of counsel or guidance would you give them?

• 37:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  So that's, that's one way in terms of those stories. You know, just the physical stuff that people talk about, which you obviously have mentioned so many times on your show. You know, moving your body itself is a form of therapy, right? Like people talk about exercise and it tends to be appearance focused, right? People want six packs and like tight abs and buns and all that's great, but. Actually physiologically, from an I have ate a perspective, oftentimes movement is less to do with, you know, your sculpting of your body and more to do with the refinement of your systems, right? By detoxing sweating, right? We have the three primary waste channels.

• 38:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Feces, urine and sweat.

• 38:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  And it's amazing how many people struggle with all of them, but most don't sweat at all.

• 38:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  No.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Right? Especially as you get into the adult life, you know, you may even struggle with consistent bowel movements and urination obviously has got its own fleet of issues, but

• 38:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  to sweat is invariably one of the ways that you're just gonna get all of the, you know, the neurotransmitting is the epinephrine and all of this, you know, the the that feeling, the um, the endorphins, sorry, you know, where you feel different. Just you can change your state from the outside in too.

• 39:01Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  So they, yeah, I mean, just if you really wanna get into the psychology for sure, journal, talk to a good friend, praying some people will do because even though you're still in your head, you feel, I I think praying is an interesting phenomenon because regardless of the background of the religion, there's this underlying context that people feel they can say whatever they need to say because it's God or it's whoever they're talking to. And that itself is liberating because most people don't have that level of self-expression even in their own family, right? They feel like, well, you can't say that in front of mom or that'll piss dad off.

• 39:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  And so there's more constraint, right?

• 39:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  So yeah, those are some of the easy hanging fruit, I would say.

• 39:40Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And these are all steps that you give people that are trying to free their mind, right? And and

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I think that also, you know, a lot of people come to you when they're at a crossroads in their life.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 39:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  They're struggling with something, they are um, or maybe something really bad is gonna happen, like you mentioned, like people that wanna take their own life.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And you probably see a lot of people there because now they're desperate for some help, right? But I think the important point to make there is this is Should be a routine for even that people that feel pretty good or people that are just living life and just are, they think, you know, I think a lot of times like you don't stop exercising when you feel like you're strong, you just, you have to keep going, right?

• 40:21Speaker 01

  I would say, I mean, it's a valid point and we definitely get some of those, um, those demographics that show up who are in a state of like true disease and desperation.

• 40:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Without having an actual like Excel spreadsheet of the stats, I would say that ninety plus percent of the people that find me.

• 40:37Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Who are members of my freedom community, which is just access to all sorts of courses, who do my mastermind, who come to my live events, which you must come, I have one on June seventh in LA and a big one in London.

• 40:50Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's on my calendar.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are, I would say ninety percent of the time, they're what we would call the first standard deviation of humans. They don't necessarily have any outlying problems psychologically, emotionally or physically. They're just driven or inspired by possibility.

• 41:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Ah.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  So like, as you said, the scale, the gamut runs from, yes, someone who's suicidal to I work with some of the greatest athletes in the world. They certainly are being paid millions of dollars to perform. Their woes are vastly different than somebody who's got depression, anxiety, or like is experiencing grief. But nonetheless, their commitment to accessing the, the full extent of their potential is what draws them to these conversations. You know, it gets, again, sort of the start of my book, which I'm still writing, and I've been for years, anyone who's following me is like, he's been talking about this for way too long. But anyway, I say that, you know, the current dialogues that we have as part of our ego are insufficient to give rise to the potentiality of our soul.

• 41:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  If you really get that, it's quite like, it's very profound.

• 41:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Say that one more time and break it down for me.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  The current dialogues and narratives of our ego and our identity, the way that we speak about ourselves, right? The inadequacy and security, it's good, like, I'm not enough, I'm not loved.

• 42:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Those dialogues and narratives are insufficient to give rise to the potentiality of the soul.

• 42:09Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Ah, yeah, makes sense.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Does that make sense?

• 42:12Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  So think about it this way, like, you know, if you, like, this room is, I don't know, a couple hundred square feet, it's not huge, right? But it's sufficient and it's perfect for a podcast.

• 42:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yep.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  But it's insufficient to give rise to the potentiality of throwing a three hundred person wedding.

• 42:27Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Sure.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Do you see?

• 42:28Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Or to host the Olympics.

• 42:29Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right, right.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  So when you look at it that way, so people's narratives is like what I call these invisible prisons that people live in. Somebody who's literally behind bars in San Quentin, that's insufficient to give rise to their potential.

• 42:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Absolutely.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Have a family, to start a business, because they're in prison.

• 42:47Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  So that's what I'm busting open is, so you don't have to have the malaise of like these harder issues that people deal with, which I'm I'm happy to help people with. It's predominantly people who are like, they just know there's more to them and there's more to life, but they don't know how to access.

• 43:02Dr. Darshan Shah?

  They don't know how to access it, right? And and accessing it involves breaking down that prison.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Those stories.

• 43:08Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Exactly.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  To see what's available. Like I said, who could you be in the absence of your concerns? So my methodology is like the Carl Jung quote, bring the unconscious conscious, right? So first of all, it's awareness. Wow, since the age of five, my brother was a better athlete, so I thought I was less than. Or my sister was a better academic, so I thought I wasn't as good, or I wasn't as loved. And that's been there for forty years, and this person is now struggling with anxiety with presentations at work, right?

• 43:33Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  The middle management, why am I not getting the promotion?

• 43:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  But it's like, wow, I've lived for four decades thinking I'm less than because my brother was faster, stronger. Well, he was three years older, he should have been, right? But that dialogue is nonetheless the invisible prison.

• 43:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  That it's it's so fascinating. Well, I love what I do. When I work with people in my mastermind, you see the lights go on for the first time. It's so moving. And people are, oh, my God, I have thought for forty years that I'm not safe. And that's why I have gut issues, I have tremors, I struggle with anxiety, or I felt that, you know, I'm not wanted. And so I have struggled in relationships because maybe they were an orphan. So they equated that to, well, my parents were great, but really biologically I was discarded. So now they're like, wherever they go, they look through the lens of I'm not wanted, right? But it's just a story. And when that's removed, oof, it's like heaven on earth gets revealed.

• 44:30Dr. Darshan Shah?

  That's amazing. So if I were to attend on June 7th, you said in L A, you have this, um, is it one day mastermind?

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Uh, no, this, uh, the, my life events are just, uh, the one in L A is two, two and a half hours.

• 44:41Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, okay.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  The one in London's a little longer because we have a bigger venue. But no, my life events is just, I, I riff for a little bit, you know, I tend to have a bit more comedic value on stage. Like, if people get on my Instagram, there's one recently that people

• 44:53Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, I love that one.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  With the woman who wants to get pregnant, she's like, I want to get pregnant. That's not part of my service, but.

• 44:58Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I laughed out loud for that one. Have you shared that one? It was one of the best ones ever.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  That, that's gone bonkers. It's like three plus million views across all platforms. But anyway, that gives you a glimpse of, so I don't know, I've never met that woman before. And then during the course of that conversation, she started to feel the energetic shift. She said, wow, I feel a warmth in my womb. Not having had a cycle for 20 years, obviously collapsed with a lot of, you know, traumas from her past.

• 45:22Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  So that's what I do in the lives is I, I, people randomly, people now know that they come there hoping that I'll pick them to help them undo some of the subconscious programming that's holding them back in life.

• 45:32Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, and every individual is very unique in this, so.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. But, but, and yet the beauty is that you can vicariously get, you know, like people in the mastermind, we have people from, I think, 30 plus countries from all around the world because it's online. You know, I don't, I can't get to everyone. There's virtual hands up, you know, hundreds of them.

• 45:49Dr. Darshan Shah?

  For sure.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  But I, whoever I work with, if I were to click through gallery screen on Zoom, like you can just see the number of people who are crying because it's not them I'm speaking to, but it's the same dynamics and the same story, different details, different dad name, different brother. But the underlying feeling of like, oh, I'm useless is what they've reflected.

• 46:07Dr. Darshan Shah?

  There's a commonality you can apply there for sure.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:10Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And what I love is you told me about your podcast. We're actually diving in on these stories.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:14Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And anyone listening can, I'm sure, find someone in one episode that's exactly what they're experiencing.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  I mean, my team, you know, some of them have been there with me for seven years and they are, at the end of each module, the mastermind's eight modules over three and a half months. Majority of them will text or email, will tell, oh, cool. And they're like, how come I've been seeing this for five, six years and it still moves me? I'm like, well, you're still human and there's nothing more powerful than the witness, somebody. Break out of their own prisons. So that's what we do on the podcast. Yeah, people submit. From my community, you have to be part of the membership, but you can submit videos if you want to help. And I love the format because it's very unique. I don't, you know, if I had my own traditional, I'd have the likes of you and friends like Zach Bush, Joe Dispenza, they would all come on and we'd chat, which is great, but there's

• 46:59Speaker 01

  thousands of those, right? You, you, you're doing a great job. I don't need to replace this, but I get to show people the process of awakening, the process of overcoming limitation by working with everyday people.

• 47:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  And thus far, we've only got, I think, fifteen, sixteen episodes out. We only just started, but they've already gone gangbusters.

• 47:17Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, you're killing it. Yeah, it's amazing.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  It's fun. It's just, oh, I love it because it's easy for you and I. We, we're lucky. We get to work with pretty extraordinary people. I've got the best of the best. And as I said, sports, business, entertainment. But I'm, I'm a journeyman. I, I, you know, I came from nothing. I came to the States with two hundred bucks. My parents had died. I love to help everyday people, you know, uh, it's fun, of course, to get taken to different events and speak at some of these nice conferences we go to. But when I get stopped walking around and someone's in tears, like you saved my life, you changed my life, my mom just loves you. You know, that's like, that's where the good stuff is for me, you know, it's like, cause people, people are suffering. There's a lot of struggling out there and, and seemingly worse than ever right now with the way the world seems to be heading. So anything that I can do to bring freedom, love and possibility, I'm all for it.

• 48:04Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, it's such an incredible mission that you have and I love the message that you're spreading. It's, it's very impactful for me to bring this to the listeners.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:12Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Of this podcast, because this could literally be the missing key that unlocks everything. Is if you take this and you take the next steps, perhaps by listening to one of your podcasts and then doing your mastermind community.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:25Dr. Darshan Shah?

  It can definitely unlock that final piece of health that people are really looking for.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I hope so. I mean, I love using analogies and, cause I think most of us are kind of visual where we've got all of the faculties, but like when you can see things, I say, if you and I we decided to, you know, buy a bit of a dumpy studio down in Santa Monica, we saw the prospect, it was getting gentrified, you know, it's a five hundred square foot unit. But it's, let's. It probably had some sketchy action, you know, drugs, whatever. The carpet's a mess. The appliances don't work. There's mold in the drywall. But you and I like, you know what? Let's pick it up. It's four hundred grand. We can do it up and we'll rent it. Whatever. We saw it as a prospect. We go in there, we rip out the carpet. We put in beautiful wood floor. You and I would have good taste. We put in wolf appliances. We'd strip it down to the studs. We'd get rid of the mold because we know that's not going to help.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  We clean it out. People come by and go, whoa, this is like a brand new place. Yeah, it's cool. You can rent it. That's called improvement.

• 49:20Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Right.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  I'm in the biz. So what happens is that is for sure a much better way of living. And I would attest that your, your listeners, that's the realm that they mostly function in, right? Like, okay, if I can try some of these IV therapies, or maybe I do the interferesis, which is obviously high end, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna start doing saunering. What I want people to consider as an invitation is that's improving the space you still live in.

• 49:45Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  What I'm doing is knocking down walls and realizing that five hundred square foot studio is part of a twenty thousand square foot space. And so there's a lot more possibility. Otherwise, and this is a part that hurts, but it's powerful for people here. Otherwise, you're just becoming the best version of your limited self.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  And that's, that's better than not. But you know, for my work, I wanna introduce people to the world of limitless possibility.

• 50:11Dr. Darshan Shah?

  I love it. I didn't want to say anything after that because that's a mic drop moment that you just, that you ended this with. So I really, really appreciate you coming and introducing us to your world. And also everything that you've created and your incredible advice. You're one of the most intelligent and, you know, people that I've ever had on the, ever had on the podcast. And I know it's around these topics. And I'm, I'm really appreciate you bringing this here finally. Been trying to make this happen for a long time. So thank you.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Well, it's a pleasure always to be with you. You're just such a beautiful human. And I know you're touching the lives of many people with your, like your locations and Next Health and all the stuff you do on Instagram. And it's a, it's a joy to be around people like you, you know, it's. I'm just grateful for the opportunity to come on platforms like yours with people who care. They wanna do well. I think for the most part, you know, we see some of the atrocities happening in the world and it breaks my heart. But always say that, you know, they're the few, right? Like who, uh, it's sad to say, but I think intentionally are trying to hurt people or whatever is the agendas, right? But what I like to see is that, you know, that ninety nine percentile of human beings like the listeners today.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  They're good people. They wanna, you know, have the best marriage they can. They wanna raise good kids. They wanna put their kids in healthy, safe schools. They, they wanna take care of themselves as best as they can whilst they're trying to put food on the table. And if I can say something that might just nudge the needle a little bit and bringing some more freedom and ease into their life. And for me, that's a life worth living. So thank you for giving me that opportunity.

• 51:39Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Well, thank you for, for being here.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:42Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Peter, can you give us all of your places that we can find you? I'm, I follow you on social media, obviously, but if you can give your handles and your website specifically and where they can potentially see you in person.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  For sure. It's all very simple. It's just my name. So it's petercrone.com for website. It's at peterchrome for Instagram. Uh, Facebook, I think it's peterchrome, the mind architect, LinkedIn is peterchrome. It's, uh, you know, you could, you see the theme. So it's pretty easy. And then in terms of live events, um, depending on when this comes out. I have one in, uh, LA, June seventh. I think we have another one in July. Uh, no. We have a big one in London on June twentieth and then one in middle of July sometime, but it's all on the website under, um, yeah, coaching and events.

• 52:24Dr. Darshan Shah?

  And your middle of July one is where?

• 52:26Speaker 01

  I think it's July fifteenth or thirteenth. No, sorry. It's in LA again.

• 52:31Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, it's in LA again. Okay. So people have a couple of opportunities in LA.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're gonna start doing a tour. It's so flattering. We get asked to go everywhere.

• 52:36Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  You know, there's like, when are you coming to Australia? Which I will be, by the way, uh, mid, middle end of September. We're gonna do a big event, I think, in Holland at some point. People, you know, just very kind wanna go. I'm speaking in Sweden in June, but that's private and then Germany. And so, yeah.

• 52:52Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Yeah, I'm here all over the world.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fun. Like you, you know, people, wherever you go, people are there and they sadly suffer. And if I can do something to alleviate that, then I'll go.

• 53:00Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Oh, I can't wait to attend. Thank you so much.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Thank you, Rex.

• 53:06Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Here are my top five learnings from Peter Crone. Free your mind for true vitality. Physical health interventions often fall short if underlying mental and emotional constraints, such as feelings of inadequacy or scarcity, are not addressed. True vitality is unlocked by first freeing the mind from these limiting beliefs. Number two, your words create your reality. The language you use to describe yourself and your life is incredibly powerful. As Peter Crone says, "As I speak, so I create," meaning your self-talk actively shapes your experiences and physiological state. Number three, mental health versus mental disease. Western medicine often equates mental health with mental disease, like schizophrenia

• 53:51Dr. Darshan Shah?

  or depression. However, true mental health, as Crone defines it, is about accessing the inherent potential freedom and vitality of your being. Number four, subconscious narratives drive everything. Our lives are driven by subconscious narratives, often stimulated in childhood, that dictate our sense of self-worth, safety, and abundance. Recognizing and dissolving these hidden stories is key to transforming life circumstances. And number five, disease as dis-ease. Many physical ailments can be traced back to a state of dis-ease, or the absence of ease, at the psychological level.

• 54:34Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Chronic stress and limiting beliefs manifest physiologically, impacting everything from digestion to immune function.

• 54:43Dr. Darshan Shah?

  Thank you so much for listening to the podcast today. Please remember to subscribe if you liked this episode, and give us a good review and share a link with your friends. It really helps to support all of our efforts. I also want to remind you that the information shared on this podcast is for educational purposes only and is not intended to replace professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Please consult with your healthcare provider or physician before making any decisions or taking any action based on what you hear today, especially if you have any underlying health conditions or on any medications. Your doctor knows your personal health situation the best, and it's always important to seek their guidance.