Is JSOC Spinning Up to Capture Uranium in Iran? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

We break down the escalating war between the United States, Israel, and Iran, including strikes on nuclear facilities, the risk of a Strait of Hormuz blockade, and whether regime change in Tehran is actually possible. The conversation also dives into Russia providing intelligence to Iran, lessons from Ukraine’s drone war, and whether these conflicts are beginning to merge into something resembling a broader global war. The High Side :⬇️ https://thehighside.substack.com/ Jack's new book⬇️ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/ Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Subscribe to our new newsletter!!!! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join Whitefish Security Summit ⬇️ https://whitefishsecuritysummit.com/ New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Check out Mick's new podcast here:⬇️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/at/podcast/pub-and-porch-applied-stoicism/id1836955475 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1k3QPmkAMwnGJxMLDwUSSd?si=n6piIu8XRcag1Z0K43A3bQ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCd0Hq6QFk8CoTu5j-VU0Ong Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Marc P here: https://x.com/Mpolymer Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 Start 01:20 Military Objectives: Nuclear Sites, Missiles & Iranian Navy 06:10 Strait of Hormuz Threat & Global Economic Impact 08:45 JSOC Ground Raid Possibility & Kurdish Ground Force Debate 12:00 Can the Iranian Regime Actually Fall? 20:05 Russia Providing Intelligence to Iran 23:20 Drone Warfare Lessons from Ukraine 46:10 Is This the Start of World War III? Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:39Speaker 02

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I'm Demetri Kuntakos. I'm here with Mick Mulroy, Jack Murphy, the Irish contingent of the Eyes on Team House crew. Didn't do it on purpose, I swear. We might be joined by an Englishman slash American with Andy Milburn soon. Let's get right into it. You know, still happening. I think we're like, second week into like, the US Israeli strikes on Iran. We just saw yesterday that we started hitting some like, oil infrastructure and stuff like that. Ton going on. There's also talk, there was initial talk about the courage getting in on the fighting in terms of as a ground force that kind of has gone.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  No, like, hasn't really materialized as a yet. Um, there is also some talk. There was a couple articles that came out yesterday that the president and the US are mull and Israel are mulling a special operations uh move to go and secure Isfahan where, you know, all the the enriched uranium is. Um, you know, that is in J Socks wheelhouse. Obviously, they trained for that. So, um, there's a ton more stuff going on. Let's just start off. Let's get up to speed. Uh, Mick, what's going on?

• 2:59Speaker 03

  There's a lot to cover.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  Uh, you could do a show on each one of those.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  I know.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  Things you just listed off there. I guess we start from the beginning.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  I can see if you look at it from Israeli point of view, if I was a national security advisor, if I thought I had the opportunity to dismantle the Islamic Republic, I'd probably take it. Right? And that's why they were gonna go either way. Um, and they were gonna unleash everything they had, and they would love the fact that they kind of pulled their big brother along with them. And we'll get to that, right? Um, but I think the interests are similar, especially the military objectives, right? Um, degradation of the nuclear capacity, reduction of the ballistic missile stock and launchers and inability to make more to manufacturing sites and the navy,

• 3:51Speaker 03

  which of course, um, I think, I think we're at something like 78 uh ships invested in Salk right now. Um, and that has to do, of course, with Iran's ability to blockade the Straits of Hormuz, which we can get into, which in and of itself could be a whole episode. Um, but it diverges a bit because what I would be saying if I was, uh, in the White House would be, we need to have very specific objectives. When we meet those objectives, we need to be able to.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  Bring it into this, it could be a pause, right? I I'm I'm not into chest thumping and declaring victory like on a on board a aircraft carrier, if you remember those days. I say we have a pause, we see what happens, and then we really push for negotiations and they can either do it or don't. And it's in their own interest, because right now it looks like the regime is gonna survive.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  The military objectives, we go a little bit about those and then we'll talk about some of the issues that we have to address. The military objectives, we struck Isafon, Fordal, and one more with 12 uh mops, right? We essentially buried the uranium, which makes it a challenge now to say that we're concerned about Iran getting a nuclear weapon, because we were successful, right? We obliterated, but now we're concerned, right?

• 5:13Speaker 02

  And it essentially like was frozen since that that strike, they didn't really like make moves to uh continue their inration or whatever.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Right, there's some indication that they were starting to rebuild, okay? And I'm all about making sure they never get a nuclear weapon, so I support the strikes on the nuclear facilities. The challenge, and we can do a whole other part on the JSOC operation, but generally speaking, units train for what exists, not what's been demolished. So I'm not quite sure how that would go, but we can get in that separately. But degradation of the nuclear facilities, a hundred percent. Degradation of the ballistic missile capacity, also the same thing, that's their biggest threat. They reach out and strike their uh uh, you know, their perceived enemies.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  And uh with those missiles, and if they get to a certain point, they can overwhelm even the Iron Dome, Iron Beam, Thad, Patriot, which of course are super expensive, another whole topic. You know, you think about a PAC three is about 12 million dollars, shooting down a $30,000.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  But so that that was important. And then the naval aspect, I agree with. The other thing that they are talking about, which I think we should come off of is the regime change. I would love for it to change, love for it to change. But simply telling unarmed people to go into the streets and protest is not going to facilitate a change. It's probably just going to get them all killed. I do think there's, and obviously I'm biased, this is what I did for a living. Working a covert program, if that's in fact accurate reporting, to give the regime a dilemma, but I don't think. I think there's around 4,000 fighting Iranian Kurds. IRGC is over 200,000, the the Ash-Tesh is, you know, I don't.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  And the Besija loans, you know, a million. I mean, you're you're you're fighting an impossible fight. You could be a nat. You can give the regime a hard time. You can give them another reason to come to the negotiation table. But I don't think you're going to be able to facilitate a regime change from the air with just, you know, 4,000 fighters.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  And the last thing I'll say before throwing it to Jack, and then Andy, I suppose. The Straits of Hormuz, right? This is a problem. Gas is going up 30% of of the the nitrite, the fertilizer comes through there, the the whole world uses 20% of the oil, 20% of the liquefied gas, including 30% 30% of Taiwan's liquefied gas comes from there. Right? So this is going to start having like, and I'm not an economist, but you don't have to be an economist to to realize that this is going to get worse and worse and worse. So another reason why I think the US can both claim that they met their military objectives and also find an off ramp.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  And I think that's in our interest, maybe not in Israel's interest. If I was Israel, I'd probably do what they're doing. But our interest, I think, is to find. A way to get back to the negotiation table and potentially a better agreement than we ever expected.

• 8:23Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, so I mean, just a couple of things that I would mention here is, I mean, I think one of the big ones is we're about a week in, I think, what is this, day nine? So we're in the week two and we've run out of military targets to hit, it seems. So we're moving on to economic targets and even civilian infrastructure. That is debatable how legitimate the target is, allegedly an oil refinery, allegedly a desalination plant. But then we also have Israel as plausible deniability because did they hit it or did we hit it? And that's something that will come out in the wash down the line. But the point is, we've run out of military targets and now we're having to look for other things to

• 9:05Jack Murphy?

  blow up. And it seems that although this isn't a really a public dispute or feud right now, if you just listen to the public statements between President Trump and Netanyahu, they seem to be at loggerheads as far as what their strategic goals are. Because Netanyahu is saying Israel is going to kill every successor that the Iranians put forward. Whereas President Trump seems like he's looking and desiring Iran to put forward successors and he wants to have a role in choosing who it's going to be. So these goals are obviously incompatible. And as Mick pointed out, I mean, there's going to come a strategic conflict there about, you know, which direction we're going to go in. And quite frankly, I think Israel kind

• 9:49Jack Murphy?

  of dog walked America right into this conflict without any sort of long term planning or long term strategic goal. And now we're at a point where, you know, one of the, one of these views is going to have to prevail. And probably it'll be something closer, you know, I suspect to what Mick mentions, as the administration starts not seeing the regime change that they hoped for, they're going to start looking for an off ramp and declaring, and I think President Trump could declare victory, in a sense, he probably already achieved the thing that he really wanted to achieve, which is killing the leadership element of the Iranian government. And maybe he can move on. He's already talking about Cuba in public statements.

• 10:33Jack Murphy?

  As far as the JSOC piece of it, that is a mission that I've looked at and written about a little bit in the past. It's high risk, but these guys have trained for it extensively. Out at the Nevada test site, they go and do these full mission rehearsals where they'll jump in with all of their equipment and go in and train to breach underground facilities. Like, I mean, underground, actually like blowing up bunker vault doors and things like this. And none of that's administrative. Like, they do it with real explosives to train for exactly this scenario. And then they would have to go in and destroy the centrifuges,

• 11:14Jack Murphy?

  or if it's some sort of other WMD facility, there's like chemical vats and things like that, that would be destroyed during an operation like that. In the context of Iran, I mean, and I'm not a JSOC planner, but when I think about it and I look at it, it feels like a one-way trip. I mean, you can get in there and you can do the operation, but my question is sort of, how are you going to get out? So it is a high-risk mission if they decide to do it. And as Mick pointed out, we've already hit those facilities, I think, numerous times. So it's even a question of like, is there anything to breach, or is it just a collapsed facility at this point, filled with sand and dirt? And then the last

• 11:55Jack Murphy?

  thing I would point out is the Kurdish situation that we spoke with John Hackett on the last episode. And as Mick said, there's something like 4,000 to 3,000, some estimates put it as low as 1,000 able-bodied Kurdish fighters in Iran. They are in several regions, or one fairly small region in northwest Iran. And

• 12:23Jack Murphy?

  Can you get them armed? Can you get them fighting? Do they want to fight? I mean, I believe they'll fight for an autonomous Kurdish region. But then there's the entire rest of the country. It's a country of like 90 million people and they would be fighting in non Kurdish areas. And how are the locals going to respond to that? The Iranians aren't as tribal as say the Iraqis are. But still, it's going to be like you're carving out a Kurdish homeland like over in this, other part of Iran. It doesn't make any sense. And it seems like the, you know, so-called Kurdish resistance, at least for the moment, is vaporware, that it's something that was proclaimed and declared quite loudly in the press over the last week.

• 13:05Jack Murphy?

  But it almost is like a coping mechanism because we don't have a plan for what comes next. It doesn't seem that they're even close to ready to get serious about that. So I'll pause there and, you know, let Andy jump into it.

• 13:22Speaker 05

  Hey, guys. Yeah, so I, I'll keep this short because very sadly, I find myself agreeing with Mick and Jack.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  But it's so rather just, you know, go over what they've said. I want to emphasize or ask this question actually, because I don't know the answer. So, you know, we talked about the disparity between Netanyahu's goals and President Trump's, you know, between Israel and the United States, because our interests are not always 100% in alignment and it's becoming clear here. What I'm interested in, I'm interested in that, but I'm interested also in, in the fact that we're in the situation that Jack just, just described or summed up very briefly, right?

• 14:09Speaker 05

  So we have essentially, we, United States, attained our military goals. If our military goals are confined to reducing Iran's capability.

• 14:24Speaker 05

  Kind of a mowing the grass approach, but the fact that we've we've removed a significant amount of of the leadership, Iran's leadership, we've reduced their IADS almost to nothing. That's their integrated air defense system. We've clearly reduced, although who knows whether it's do zero, their inventory of ballistic missiles and drones. Their connection with proxies, their support for proxies, has been reduced at the user end, right? At the demand level that Hezbollah is, if not on the ropes, capability has been severely impeded in the last year or so. So all of these things, so the military side, all of

• 15:09Speaker 05

  these things that were perhaps, you know, practical objectives have been achieved. My question is this, what happens now, right? I mean, are you guys getting a sense for whether the military and perhaps the intelligence community are saying, hey, boss, this is about it? You know, if we need to go further and continue this campaign, we need clearly outline strategic goals. And if the strategic goal is regime change, as we've learned in the last couple of days, the the recommendation, the intelligence community is that we're not going to get there from here. In other words, we're not going to get there from the air campaign. And as Jack just described it, hopefully someone is also saying, we're

• 15:53Speaker 05

  not going to get there even by backing 4,000 Kurds, because that is a drop in the bucket. Does anyone sense, is there any talk of of of, you know, kind of this tension at the nexus between military leadership and political leadership, that nexus that has failed us so often before?

• 16:14Jack Murphy?

  There was a story that came out, maybe it was in the New York Times a day or two ago, about how the CIA was warning the White House prior to initiating this campaign that it wasn't going to work.

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• 19:23Speaker 03

  As far as regime change goes. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right, Jack. I think the intelligence community, CIA, has said the regime is likely to stay in place. Because think about it. I mean, that's why I think they started talking about the ground force. But that's not enough of a ground force, not even close. Right? So, and if I was the Kurds, you know, there'd have to be some serious promises for getting involved in this thing. Because it could, it could easily turn south on them fast. But I think that the chances of the regime surviving are probably, more importantly, the IC thinks that the chances of the regime surviving is high. And it might be mostly controlled by the IRGC. I think there, there is a power struggle. We're seeing like the, the president, you know, apologize.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  And then immediately, another element in the government say, don't pay any attention to the president. He doesn't control the military. We're not gonna, we're not gonna apologize for any of it. Right? So I think what's happening is you've got like the Lauren Johnny's, former IRGC, the Iraqis, you know, the foreign minister, IRGC. They want to take control. Yes, there'll be, maybe another supreme leader picked in the next 24 hours. But I don't think he'll be the same type of leader as a Hamaani. Right? I think he's going to be like, sit there, shut up and say prayers. The IRGC is going to run this stuff because this is how we got into this. Right? Because IRGC, even though I, I'm one that thinks they should never get a nuclear weapon, they're the ones who've been pushing for them to get a nuclear weapon.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Right, so we might, might end up with a worse scenario, at least as far as attitudes toward us. But a much better scenario in that they don't have the capacity to do much about it. Right, so that's why I think the US needs to step up. I mean, step up in the sense that our foreign policy should be our foreign policy. Understand Israel's, understand if I was them, I might be wanting the same thing. But we're not going to get let around, right, we're the US. I think we should decide, we meet our military objectives. We move to a pause. We try to get this back on the diplomatic track, which means the intelligence agency's got to talk first.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  And then, once they get something going, they throw it over to the traditional side, which is the Foreign Ministry and, you know, State Department. But that's why I think we should be going. I also think we need to get our stuff in one sock when it comes to messaging. I mean, the idea that, you know, it was an imminent threat because they had ICBM. Oh, wait, that's going to take 10 years. That's not imminent. Wait, they were going to attack us first. Nope, the IC just briefed Congress that that wasn't the case. And then the idea that Israel's going to attack them, so they're going to attack us. So now we have to go to war because Israel wants a war. That was not helpful at all. And then the president talked that back, right? They need to have one message and just keep saying, not an influence guy, but that needs to happen. And might as well just call it a war.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  You've named it the War Department. The president keeps calling it a war. You're just getting in arguments with the media and then you're countering your own argument, literally in the next press conference. So this is small potatoes, but the messaging is, needs to get.

• 22:29Jack Murphy?

  The, the other like no-no word that they really don't want to use is regime change. But they keep talking about changing the regime. And so the double talk is, at best, it's confusing.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Unconditional surrender too is another.

• 22:42Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:45Speaker 05

  And and some kind of explanation to the American people, or at least certainly to elected representatives, all right, which whatever shape or form that that takes on what the strategy is, rather than kind of opaque comments about how long this could last. And, you know, and and just kind of double tap what everyone's been saying here. I mean, the the Iranian regime is going to survive because it spent four decades building a system designed to survive, right, to resist the external pressure, politically, militarily, economically. I mean, that it's it's just so firmly embedded, as we said,

• 23:24Speaker 05

  it's like, you know, all the the surviving regime has had to do is close all watertight doors, right, it's the contingency plan and and and will emerge from this. Although, how else Iran will emerge from this is is anyone's guess.

• 23:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:46Speaker 05

  Strategic coherent strategic messaging for the domestic and international audience and for Iran.

• 23:53Speaker 03

  And I support it. I just think we need to fix that.

• 23:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  There's another issue.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  Undoubtedly, I agree. Good things have happened. I mean, guys, you know, Mick, of course, you're familiar with this, but I mean, the the plan is not a new plan. The plan, the plan has crossed many administrations. It's not something that was pulled out in the last few weeks, months, and the plan was there for a reason, because we had national interest at stake. But arguably, now we have, you know, we've assuaged those nationally, those interests as much as we can through military force, and it's time to perhaps declare victory.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  Another side issue we probably should touch on is the fact that Russia is providing intelligence to the Iranians.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was gonna bring that up too, yeah.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Do you want to summarize it?

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. There were reports uh saying that Russia was basically providing targeting information to Iran on our positions.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Asked about it, the president kind of spit spun a little bit, said like, oh, Russia, we do this to Russia and Ukraine, so why wouldn't they do that to us? Uh, which is insane for a fucking US American president to say um about Russia, you know, clearly Russia is the enemy. They've started a war in Ukraine, uh, unprovoked war. And uh, we should continue to support Ukraine with everything we can probably possibly do.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  So yeah, uh, that's also another little wrinkle. Another thing was, you know, about a month ago that uh, the president was, you know, berating India uh, about buying oil from from Russia. Uh, put tariffs on that and now they have lift the tariffs uh and ease sanctions on Russia to be able to sell oil to India. So another little, I guess, piece of blowback, economic blowback anyway, is there's money going into Russian pockets that is still going to continue to fuel the war in Ukraine.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  So, yeah, there's that little tidbit.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  So we have a friend and we have a foe, right? So Ukraine is our friend. Uh, and they're willing to send folks during the time of war, and we should come back to the Ukraine war because there's actually stuff happening there.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  They're willing to send us to help us and our and our partners that are getting attacked because of our uh, uh, war, um, to help them. And then we have Russia that is willing to give very detailed, exquisite intelligence on the location of our naval assets. Uh, they're very hard to hit, but they're a lot easier to hit with that kind of intelligence. That's beyond just a foe, that's an enemy. The idea that we justify them attacking us because some, you know, because we're helping Ukraine is, I mean, maybe as an objective observer, you could say that, but certainly not as the commander in chief of the Right, yeah. Navy, Air Force and Marine, right? Your responsibility is to protect us, period, or us being the US military.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  So there is no justification for providing critical intelligence to our enemy that could use to target. And God, hope they don't actually, you know, get successful because there's talk about us escorting tankers through the Straits of Hormuz, right? What's that like 21 kilometers or something? Something like that. Like, we're gonna be super vulnerable. Right? So and if they got intelligence of where we're gonna be, where they can place mines, they can place some mines that detach to come up right at the, I mean, there's all sorts of stuff that they could do based, if they have the type of information they need to do the targeting. And if Russia's providing it, we need to be giving them a straight up warning to the intelligence channels,

• 27:37Speaker 03

  which, you know, is usually believed, like, you do this, bad thing's gonna happen, super bad thing's gonna happen to you. Not just making, you know, okay, well, they're gonna do what they're gonna do.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  Hey, you know, on that point, Mick mentioned

• 27:55Speaker 05

  countries within the Middle East asking for Ukrainian help, specifically, I think that was Bahrain and UAE and and perhaps Jordan, I can't remember, but you know what what that emphasizes? Again, aside from the fact that Ukraine's are kind of a natural ally rather than Russia.

• 28:15Speaker 05

  What it emphasizes, I think, is that the United States and and our allies were just not prepared for the scale of of drone attacks, right? I know that seems like we're stating the obvious. But but the real issue here, and it's gonna get worse, is, you know, there's a lot of talk about cost matching with a Patriot interceptor, you know, a million dollars a pop against a $10,000 Shahada drone. I would argue it's not so much about cost for the United States, it's about magazine depth, right? How many defensive shots you actually have available and And clearly, um, and, and also the fact that it's a mismatch of capability, um, that, that

• 28:57Speaker 05

  high-end defenders like Thad, like Patriot are, are just simply not the most effective,

• 29:04Speaker 05

  counters to, to drones, you know, the low altitude, slow, relatively slow-moving, small radar intersections. So there's, there's clearly a gap in, in our capability and the capability of our, of our allies.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Andy, yeah, I, I have a question for you. What do we use outside of Patriot? Um, we're not using Thad missiles on Shahed, I hope, because we have like 200 of them in total.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Are we using just CRAM? Is there other things? John Hackett last week mentioned that they, we do have capabilities that are classified that we don't really want to show. So we, instead of not using that stuff, is it just CRAM? Like, what are we using?

• 29:44Speaker 05

  No, I mean, there are, um, you know, and I don't have John's expertise, but yes, there's a, there's a spectrum of capabilities, all right? Kinetic, non-kinetic. Yes, there is a layered UAS defense. My point is, it's not effective enough, right? Because we're still, you know, and, and again, I mean, this is, I'm not getting into classified info. I don't have the classified info and don't have access. And if I could, I couldn't discuss it here. But the point is clearly they're not effective because enough drones are still getting through, right? Even, even in a, even when those drones have to travel, however many thousands of kilometers, kilometers it is. So there's plenty of time for interception. These aren't, you know, for the most part, aside from in, in Iraq,

• 30:29Speaker 05

  these are not, uh, short-range attacks. So, and, and, and we're dealing with an enemy whose inventories of drones has been vastly depleted. We're not going against, you know, a, a major power. And yet we're still struggling to, to intercept all those drones coming in. So clearly our short-range air defense isn't where it needs to be, regardless of how much classified shit that we have. All right. And so my point is that, on the other hand, Ukraine has been dealing with this kind of exact inventory problem for years, right? And in the war with Russia, and they're doing it pretty effectively.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  With uh with $1,000 interceptors intercepted drones, right? And and with help from the US companies. And yet we haven't adapted this technology. And that's if we have, we haven't done it on scale. We haven't done it quickly enough. And I think, you know, the events of the last couple of weeks have been evidence of that. You can say, well, we, you know, there's been very few casualties. There have been very few casualties. But on the other hand, we're dealing with an adversary on the ropes and we still can't stop these things from getting through. And the Iranians aren't at the high end when it comes to um target acquisition and direction of of drones. They're pretty good in other areas and they're getting help from the Russians.

• 31:49Speaker 05

  But my point is, this does not all go well if we go against a a peer competitor um with mass use of drones. Um, and so, yeah, so so the Gulf states are kind of bypassing us now and turning directly to Ukraine. Zelensky has said, yeah, sure, we'll help you. Um, and you know, and the Ukrainians have been remarkably uh successful. And when you look at the scale of drone attacks on on Ukraine, on Kiev alone, and the fact that the interception rates, they are, they're they're pretty um, well, they're very impressive. Um, but we didn't reach out to Ukraine beforehand. And we know that for sure, well, we don't know that for sure.

• 32:27Speaker 05

  But there was a an article on The Atlantic by Nancy Youssef in the last few days who pointed out that um Ukraine is now offering help. But we we haven't reached out beforehand.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  A phenomenal journalist, I'd add, uh Nancy Youssef, that is. Uh, the other part about um Ukraine is they are starting to take back territory. There's so much other stuff in the news that we're not talking about it. And Russia's advance have in in certain sectors have slowed, right? So it's it's actually, I'm not saying, you know, it's it's all over and we should uh, you know, help them celebrate. But that is much better than the opposite, right? So we should uh, we should increase our support to Ukraine, period. And we should help them capitalize on the gains they're making. And right now, I mean, Russia's at what, 1.2, 1.3 million casualties in this by the uh, I think the UK's estimate?

• 33:22Speaker 05

  Ominous.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  It's uh, they're not going anywhere. The Ukrainians aren't going anywhere. They they have, they have not only fought Russia to essentially a standstill, they've become the most effective military in Europe, period. Period, right? So they're now, not only should we just be supporting a partner because they're a partner, but they would be a great ally for the United States. They're an exceptional military. Uh, and they have more experience probably than any uh, right now. So that's why, to Andy's point, all these Gulf countries are going to them, vice us.

• 33:53Speaker 05

  We, we sometimes seem collectively, perhaps it's arrogance, I don't know, but reluctant to learn these lessons. And I'll give you a quick example. The, so in, in the, in the offensive, right, of um, uh, way back, um, it was the summer of, uh, two thousand and four, sorry, summer of two thousand and twenty four, Ukrainian offensive.

• 34:19Speaker 05

  You know, the, all, the, the UK and the US have provided Ukraine with all this training, all this breaching equipment. And, and then afterwards, when the, when the offensive didn't achieve its objectives, our comments were, well, the Ukrainians didn't use our assets the way they were supposed to be used. And, and all of our focus, our filter was through the combined arms breach that we used to practice for, um, you know, the Cold War, the, the things that, remember, we do in the Marine Corps and Twenty Nine Palms, it's a very set piece. SOCA, you lay down obscuration, right? You lay down suppression, you do this, you do that. But it never occurred to us that our methodology might just be obsolete, right? On a transparent battlefield.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  The, and the Ukrainians learned the hard way. We kept saying, well, they didn't listen to us, you know, they didn't, they just not experienced enough in combined arms. The Ukrainians learned from that. And now the way they launch attacks or they defend attacks is quite different. And when they launch attacks, and Russians too, it's in these penny packet assault groups, right? On, on quad bikes, on motorcycles, very, you know, having the idea that they have a very low, low profile, right? These guys are all, and the way, down to individual camouflage, right? Total face fails because drones, um, it can identify faces. I mean, the, just the, the techniques, tactics and procedures at the tactical through the operational

• 35:51Speaker 05

  level that had been developed in the conflict, um. We haven't looked at this and we haven't adapted it and we've been too dismissive saying, "Yeah, but those things won't apply if we go to war with China." Well, a lot of them will, probably will apply. But we just, yeah, we just seem reluctant to do this. And drones are just one example, right? Why don't we have a, an inventory of intercepted drones at $1,000 a pop with a, you know, 99% interception rate? Why, why are we still relying on these old,

• 36:26Speaker 05

  you know, on, on high-end interceptors combined with some, you know, a few exquisite platforms that we can't afford to spread liberally or out through every, every place that needs it?

• 36:39Speaker 03

  So, good point.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  What is the answer for that? Is it just because we don't, we think it has to be expensive to be worth of it?

• 36:47Speaker 02

  I think we've talked about it, like, Andy, you've mentioned it, about the procurement process, right?

• 36:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Isn't like the procurement process super slow?

• 36:55Speaker 05

  It is. We keep saying we're gonna fix it. Mick's got a good point. I think we, I think we've got this kind of attraction to expensive shit, right? I mean, we've never, I mean, we developed the PRAD and, and, and that was like $30 million a pop and we, we thought, okay, that's it, right? And we didn't realize.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Only went up from there, right?

• 37:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, and it steadily became more and more obsolete to the point where we wouldn't fly,

• 37:27Speaker 05

  we would, we wouldn't fly high-end ISR platforms over areas with a, with a strong EDA threat. I mean, that happened, right? And Mick knows this is true. So it came to the self-defeating. But the whole point of having unmanned systems is that they are ultimately expendable. At least they're more expendable than manned systems, right? I think we can all agree on that. And yet we don't manufacture them that way and we don't treat them that way.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  And we need to start.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  To include unmanned tanks.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, here, here. I don't know. Let's start a, let's start an unmanned tank company. Let's get in on it.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  I think, I think Israel has already started an unmanned tank, didn't it?

• 38:10Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  Heck, yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Ukrainians have a, have developed an unmanned tank. Pretty impressive by all accounts. You can look it up on YouTube video. Heavily incorporates AI for targeting and navigation.

• 38:26Speaker 05

  And, and it's exactly what you need in, in, in any environment where you're using infantry or, I mean, any, any environment, right? You've got a, you, you've got a, a rolling, stable, relatively survivable, very capable gun platform to, to support maneuver, direct fire gun platform to, which is really what tanks provide. And, and, and the gap that is left when, when we abandon tanks.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then once you take out the people, then the, the cost of the actual

• 38:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Tank itself goes down considerably. Most of the, a lot of the expense is to keep people alive inside the tank. And, and, you know, we do, we do tactical training out here in Montana, and we have started incorporating lessons learned from Ukraine, and he said a couple of them. But another one we hear a lot of is they don't want any more armored personnel carriers. Like, they, they did, those things are death traps. So they, they do the drive a motorcycle, like they put their whole platoon on individual motorcycles, disperse and then, you know, consolidate, you know, prior to whatever objectives they're going after. But they, the, the expensive Bradleys, et cetera, at least from the, what we're here, and I'm sure the Department of Defense is collecting their own information, but they don't want them.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  They just don't want them. It's too expensive. They draw their, I mean, think how many motorcycles you could buy, electric motorcycles you could buy for the cost of a Bradley.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:54Speaker 05

  And it's so simple, it's um, it's an understanding of the enemy's target prioritization, right? You you stick whatever that you know, you stick uh, ten dudes in a in a Bradley, which is a high-end expensive system, and you start rolling across the battlefield. Now you've become a target. Um, but but it's a much more difficult targeting proposition when you've got thirty, forty, fifty dudes, you know, all tearing towards an objective from different directions, even if you pick them all up, right? I mean, you you just don't have enough uh, systems now to intercept, and you got to the the target prioritization

• 40:34Speaker 05

  calculus becomes that much more difficult. Um, yeah, it's um,

• 40:42Speaker 05

  it's really interesting. I but but before we get more on, you know, the the serious stuff, I just wanna, I wanna welcome Jack and say, Jack, you're a, your social media feeds I recommend to everyone because they are hilarious. They're very, very acerbic, um, and quite rightly acerbic and uh, and and cynical about all that, some of the the chess beating rhetoric out there from those who are perhaps least qualified to beat their chess, who had the had the most narrow and sunken chess, seem most prone to chess beating, I should say.

• 41:21Jack Murphy?

  Are you talking about? The, are you talking about the post I made about how, you know, I I've seen military veterans kind of oscillate back and forth, being pro-war and anti-war, depending on which way the wind is blowing.

• 41:34Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 41:35Jack Murphy?

  I I I mean, yeah, just briefly on that, I mean, what I was commenting on was that, you know, during the war, the war on terror, um, you know, and and I include myself in this to some extent, you know, we were all gung-ho, you know, kill the enemy, and some guys were all into the Spartan warriors and the Templar knights and all this sort of stuff. Um, and then after, you know, they left service, and I would include myself in this to some extent also, again. Um, you start reflecting on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and you get kind of angry about them. Um, you get kind of angry with your government and there are some reasons for that, some good reasons, I think. And, and a lot of guys, so a lot of guys I saw

• 42:16Jack Murphy?

  went from being very pro-war to being very anti-war, actually. And like, even, even some of it plays into the like, America first, like, we got to take care of America here and not be fighting these Middle Eastern wars. And it's sort of dismaying to see in the last month or so, I mean, all of those guys kind of swing right back to supporting a seemingly endless war in the Middle East that doesn't have any strategic end state, at least none we've been told about. Um, and, uh, it's, it's very, that's a very disorienting thing to see, um, and to be a part of to some extent.

• 42:53Speaker 05

  Well, you made a good point. I mean, I think the, it is primary motivator now is, is politics, right? And pay, and more so than, okay, more so than two decades ago. Even among veterans, I've noticed a big change, perhaps especially among veterans and, and, perhaps among active duty troops, too. Um, the, I think just, uh, the, the politics has been come the, the deciding point on, on, on, on how you judge any of these foreign adventures. It's what, what, what the rationale has been behind it.

• 43:30Jack Murphy?

  What I was, what I was saying was that, you know, we sort of use politics today to fulfill a role that we used to use religion for in the past. We use politics to seek reassurance and affirmation. And in my opinion, that's really looking in the wrong place for those things.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I mean, I'm not political, but I, I hope the trend toward independence continues, right? You're seeing it with the young people. Um, in other words, not necessarily tied to a political party because. You know, just speaking as an American, we should be able to rationally decide each issue based on the issue, not just ask what you're supposed to think. And then that's your, that's your position because you don't actually have to think to do that. You could just say whatever that guy said or gal, right? Hopefully Americans go back to and, and, and get their independence from political parties. Not, not just a independence from, you know, tyranny.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  It involves seeing the wider picture, doesn't it? So for instance, it involves when, when the Senate refuses really to debate the Iran war, the rights and wrongs of the Iran war, whether the executive has overstated, stepped its limit. It, it becomes a, a kind of a, it's becomes yet another political battleground. And, and what those perhaps on the right don't realize is that by, by, by kind of saying, hey, that doesn't matter. We don't need congressional oversight. You put yourself in the position where any administration can do the same, but.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Maybe they should adjust the War Powers Act to say, if you don't act, then you've just endorsed the war.

• 45:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  There, within a certain amount of time, sixty days, I think is what's in there. But if you don't, if you don't act to, uh, you know, either stop the war or continue the war, then you have to continue the war. You're implicit and we, that is a declaration of war by the, because Congress doesn't want politically. They're, they're don't want to actually claim any ownership so that they can later say it wasn't us, it was him.

• 45:35Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, isn't that like the most bizarre thing of all of this is, you know, I mean, not that we have a particularly high expectation for Congress, but this, this position they've chosen of like, we don't support the war, but we also don't not support it. Like, what is going on here?

• 45:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's, it's just too difficult.

• 45:55Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it's just too much. It's just too much, guys.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  And then the fact that, I mean, if you look at the War Powers Act, every president, not just current president, has said it's unconstitutional. Well, there's a means to find out whether it is constitutional and it's right across the street from Congress. Like, why don't they just decide, this is like the core thing of any federal government, right?

• 46:15Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  War or not, the idea that we're still, and that was passed in nineteen seventy-two.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  And so presidents comply with what's laid out in it, but they don't agree that it's that they actually have to. So why hasn't the Supreme Court decided under the Constitution, which is their job, whether the War Powers Act is constitutional or not? The idea is still that's still a mystery is a mystery to me, right? Because that is like one of the number one things in Article One is the power to declare war and raise and support armies and navies, right, or Congress? And one of the first things in Article Two is the president as commander in chief. So how is that supposed to actually work? Does the president get to be the one to declare war and be the commander in chief? Or is Congress actually have a constitutional responsibility?

• 47:08Speaker 03

  Right? And that's what the War Powers Act was supposed to address. But it's still a mystery on whether it's, you know, binding on the commander in chief.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  I read a hilarious tweet. It said, uh, I wish Congress was alive to see this. Oh, thank God. Yeah. Thank God Congress isn't alive to see this. Which is funny, but it's kind of sad too, you know, like they're not doing their job.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  It is. Hey, I'd like to pick up on something, you know, Mick mentioned about, and we started talking about Ukraine briefly and Mick said, hey, the tide appears to be turning there. At least things aren't as dire for Ukraine as perhaps the US has made out. And I think, I think absolutely that's true. I mean, it's not that Ukraine's about to conquer Russia or even quickly retake all territory. But instead, it's clear that Ukraine is perhaps winning in the strategic sense, preventing Russia from achieving its objectives while imposing, you know, really harsh, long-term costs, right?

• 48:13Speaker 05

  I mean, think about it. So Russia's failed in all its core strategic objectives. Toppling the Ukrainian government, installing a pro-Russian regime, destroying Ukraine's military, preventing Ukraine's integration with the West, right? Those were the stated objectives and, and in fact, none of those have occurred. And if anything... Russia's strengthened Ukraine, certainly strengthened NATO. We've talked about it. You know, Ukraine's army is now the most powerful in Europe, as Mick said. It expanded dramatically. NATO has expanded and Ukraine potentially is moving towards EU membership. You know, meanwhile, the Russian offensive has stalled.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  And, you know, how long have we been reading about Russian forces closing on Pokrovsk, for instance, which every time I mention that town, I mention, have to mention it's a shithole because one of our favorite listeners is from there and gets incensed every time I do that. It is indeed a shithole. Pokrovsk is a horrible, horrible place and it's worse now, but the Russians have failed to take it and they've been trying now for 18 months. Okay, so they've, they've, they've advanced, I think it was, it's like kilometers, right? Total, square kilometers in, in all of February, which is apparently the slowest, according to Rusi, slowest progress in two years.

• 49:39Speaker 05

  And multiple of their attacks have failed and Kharkiv, Avantsk, you know, across the front in Donbass.

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• 51:44Speaker 05

  So they clearly they can't break through even if they could, even if they could form a penetration, they don't have enough, they don't have a tactical or operational reserve to, to, to exploit it. And they're, and you know, we talked about they're losing tens of thousands of soldiers per month, right? I mean, you know, we've talked about the Russies saying that they're losing on a good day, a thousand guys a month. Now, there's a casualties, but average around 1,200 guys a month. I mean, that's, I mean, I'm sorry, per day. Per day, yeah, per day. Yeah, which is just phenomenal. Think about it. Um, and I mean, what, what impact

• 52:26Speaker 05

  does that have on Russian society? Hard to tell, but certainly rural regions inside Russia are experiencing heavy casualties and demographic depletion. You know, there's reports coming out of Russia about that. Um, so Russia's bleeding manpower and equipment faster than it can replace them. That's the key part here because we can talk about will to fight all we want, but the key thing is can, are replacements meeting attrition rates? And they are not, right? So. And meanwhile, Ukraine's striking deep inside Russia, right? You know, drone strikes on oil terminals, naval bases, taking out general officers, you know, even in harder Moscow.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  Damage to the Black Sea Fleet has been removed from the chessboard, right? And and continued attacks on logistics and and energy infrastructure.

• 53:20Speaker 05

  So. And while all that's happening, Ukraine's defense industry is expanding rapidly. You know, I mean.

• 53:30Speaker 05

  So I I think. Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to to predict an outcome, but Russia's not in a good position right now at all, vis a vis Ukraine.

• 53:40Jack Murphy?

  I would like to ask you guys a question that was would have been maybe an academic question until fairly recent, but now it's, I think, pragmatic. The situation that we're in right now with Iran, with Ukraine, we talked about the Ukrainians sending people to the Gulf States to help them with drone defense. We talked about Russia feeding intelligence to Iran. I'm sure in the past, we've spoken about, you know, North Korean soldiers being sent to Ukraine. I read an article about Colombian mercenaries fighting in Ukraine on the Ukrainian side. Like 500 of them have died during the war.

• 54:18Jack Murphy?

  All the partisan warfare and, you know, behind enemy lines stuff that Andy just mentioned, acts of sabotage and assassination and espionage. At what point do we call this situation that we're in right now a global World War III?

• 54:33Speaker 03

  I think we'd have to see the major players.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Focus.

• 54:38Jack Murphy?

  On each other directly?

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. So, yeah, on each other, right? That's that's another way of saying it, right? So, once we we we've done this throughout the Cold War, we don't directly. Fight each other, but we go through proxies and, you know, you name it from Latin America to Africa to Afghanistan. I think to be a global warrior would have to be up here on peer type or close to it, right? You take China and Russia and you get to close to appear to the United States, right?

• 55:08Jack Murphy?

  And you could, you could see something like that maybe happening, Mick. And I mean, uh, making predictions about the future and speculating, it almost feels pointless. But just for hypothetically speaking, if the Russians helped the Iranians blow up, um, an American, you know, aircraft carrier or whatever it is in the, in the Persian Gulf. We could respond to that in Ukraine by establishing a no fly zone over Ukrainian airspace and blowing the hell out of Russian targets. I mean, that would probably satisfy the, uh, prerequisites that you're laying out.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  That's a great idea. I think they should write that down. If, if any, any intelligence that they use does anything to any of our assets, military assets, then I think, I mean, I actually think we should be doing a lot more, as you guys know, in Ukraine right now, but that'd be a perfect opportunity. No flies down, take away Russian air power, uh, unleash all the weapon systems that we've given them. No more range restrictions, none of that. And then of course, increase the actual security assistance itself. Uh, but to your point, if we get, we don't want to get in a direct conflict with Russia, but you know, we also don't want to be, uh, pushed around by Russia. They, we've, they've got to be scared of us. And right now, I mean, we're, we're, I agree with a lot of the military objectives I've already stated in Iran,

• 56:28Speaker 03

  but it is going to give China an opportunity, right? They realize that we're, we, even though we wrote a strategy, you said everything was supposed to be focused on the Western hemisphere. And now we're at war in Iran. China's like, these guys don't know what they want, but they're not paying any attention to us. So if they, if there's a check time to do Taiwan, probably not an invasion, that wouldn't go off the Chinese, but potentially a blockade.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  Which could have the same impact, right?

• 56:56Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  I don't know what the US would do.

• 56:58Jack Murphy?

  So far, the Chinese are kind of fence sitting on this. Um, they're just like, hey, we're going to sit here and watch what you guys do. We're just going to watch you make mistakes.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  And the longer this goes on, the longer we're depleted of the resources we need to fight globally.

• 57:16Speaker 03

  We already have challenges. So, I mean, I imagine the Chinese intelligence service is looking at when would be the opportune time when the US, I mean, we're sending the third aircraft carrier striker, right? I think, uh, the George H W Bush is kind of got.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  I think it's supposed to relieve, uh, the, the Ford.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  Okay, so it's just, it's just a relief in place kind of scenario?

• 57:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, that makes sense because as Jack said, we're getting close to run out of targets. I don't know why we'd necessarily need three aircraft carrier strike groups there, but I'm sure the chairman is looking at all that stuff. But yeah, it's a,

• 57:52Speaker 03

  it's a challenge. When is China going to say it's never going to get better than now?

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Well, we talked about a lot. I mean, you guys really think that if we could find intel and like it's reported widely and it's like obvious that Russia gave Iran intel to not, let's say, you know, severely hit, uh, aircraft carrier or destroyer or something that this administration would actually do anything to PP whack Russia back?

• 58:20Speaker 03

  I mean, I think it's an absolute obligation as commander in chief.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  I think, um, I think it brings up the, you know, this, this tawdry cliche of best military advice. You know, I keep coming back to what, what is, what is his military leadership at strategic level, right? What, what are they advising? And so, I mean, Outside the scope of military advice is, hey boss, you know, you really should punish Russia because blah, blah, blah. But a way to influence that is certainly to say, hey, listen, there are a lot of things, you know, if you, if you do, you know, here's the evidence, right? Here's what we're saying. Here are ways potentially best military advice that we could counter this, or we could punish Russia, or

• 59:10Speaker 05

  dissuade Russia from doing this again, right? I mean, hopefully those conversations, the type of things, the type of actions, courses of action that Jack just outlined are being briefed to the president. We don't know.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  But normally it's, there's a little more, the dialogue's a little more open, right? And we're just not seeing that. So it's very opaque and it's the same thing with these discussions about regime change, you know, we're not expecting to hear covert plans announced out loud, although indeed that has happened before.

• 59:47Speaker 05

  But, but you know, some kind of indication that there is a plan would be nice, right? And, and all that, that is the goal, that, that is, you know, essentially what we're coming back to that. That in, in a democracy waging war, that we, we understand, everyone understands the requirements for keeping classified things classified. But at the same time, there needs to be an open dialogue about the whys and wherefalls of what's going on. And that seems to be lacking right now.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Anything else, guys? Jack, you got anything?

• 1:00:17Speaker 05

  Covered a lot.

• 1:00:18Jack Murphy?

  No, I don't, I don't think so.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Cool. Uh, I want everyone to do us a favor. I want everyone to go check out the High Side, Jack's news outlet with Sean Naylor. Uh, incredible stuff coming out there, um, stuff you won't read about anywhere else. Um, check that out. That link's in the description. Whitefish Security Summit is happening April 2nd through the 4th. That link is in the description. Grab tickets there. Uh, Andy Milburn, the man, the myth, the legend, uh, his book, When the Tempest Gathers, incredible, uh, memoir. That link is in the description as well. If you want any and all other information about the guys, links are all in the description. Take a look there. Best place to help.

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  Don't, uh, don't forget the team house that Jack's here, you know, the one that, that great New York Times, one liner plug for the team house that the, uh, where, where guests get to drink hard liquor in a living room setting.

• 1:01:10Jack Murphy?

  But by guests, they meant you.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  That is the Team House. Check that out, too. The best place to support this show and the Team House, patreon.com/the Team House. You get ad-free episodes and early, and you help support the show. Thanks, guys, as always. We'll see you next week.

• 1:01:31Jack Murphy?

  Hey, guys. I want to tell all of you today about a new newsletter that we're launching that encompasses both the Team House podcast, the Eyes On podcast, and the High Side News Outlet, which I run with Sean Naylor. The newsletter is going to be once a week. It's going to come into your inbox, and you're going to get the most current podcasts on Eyes On and the Team House and whatever's topical or current on the High Side. So it's another way for us to get the information out to you, as social media algorithms are pretty iffy, and you never really know what you're going to get. So this is a once-a-week email. It'll slide into your inbox, and it will have, you know, the greatest hits of that week.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  It's really good. I'm checking it out.

• 1:02:15Jack Murphy?

  The website for it is teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Go there, and you enter into your email list, or you enter your email into the little thing on the website, and you're good to go. And that'll be it. So we really appreciate your support.

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• 1:04:27Jack Murphy?

  ...support and hope you'll consider signing up. Where's the link? The link will also be down in the description if you're looking for it there. And that's teamhousepodcast.kit, K-I-T, Kilo, India, Tango.

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• 1:13:25Speaker 06

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