Social Media Lawsuits Start, Controversy Surrounding WHO Withdrawal, & Major Shifts Happening In China & Japan | Tom Bilyeu Show Live

Welcome to Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu! In this eye-opening episode, Tom Bilyeu and co-host Drew tackle some of the most pressing—and controversial—headlines rocking the world this week. From Big Tech giants like Meta facing landmark lawsuits over the mental health impact of social media on kids, to explosive rumors about cancer cures being unleashed after the US’s exit from the WHO, no stone is left unturned. Tom Bilyeu breaks down what’s really behind these medical breakthroughs, debunking online conspiracies and explaining the critical roles of the FDA and Big Pharma. The conversation gets real about the unintended consequences of social media on developing minds, whether government intervention is the answer, and how parents can navigate the digital minefield. The hosts also deliver in-depth commentary on global power shifts, including China’s economic maneuvers and Japan’s political realignment, as well as the seismic advancements in AI technology that are set to reshape creative industries—and possibly life as we know it. To cap it off, Tom Bilyeu and Drew explore SpaceX’s renewed focus on building a city on the moon, pondering what it means for humanity’s future among the stars. Whether you’re curious about the facts behind viral threads, anxious about the impact of tech on the next generation, or just want a fresh take on global headlines, this episode has something for everyone. Let’s dive in! Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpodShopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impactKetone IQ: Visit https://ketone.com/IMPACT for 30% OFF your subscription orderIncogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impactBlocktrust IRA: Get up to $2,500 funding bonus to kickstart your account at https://tomcryptoira.comNetsuite: Right now, get our free business guide, Demystifying AI, at https://NetSuite.com/Theory https://netsuite.com/TheoryHuel: High-Protein Starter Kit 20% off for new customers at https://huel.com/impact code impact What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Big Tech lawsuit, social media addiction, mental health, Big Pharma, cancer cures, World Health Organization (WHO), US healthcare, FDA, immunotherapy, mRNA cancer vaccines, CAR-T cell therapy, KRAS inhibitors, drug approvals, government incentives, socialism, AI breakthroughs, video AI, creative industry, China-US relations, de-dollarization, US debt, China demographics, Japan politics, sushi-fication of Japan, immigration, education policy, brain development, parental control, government regulation, space exploration, Elon Musk moon base. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:08Speaker 01

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• 1:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Tom Abiliu Show Live. Big tech is being taken to court over knowingly damaging the mental health of their users. Japan's prime minister's gambit to swing Japan to the right has paid off big time. Her party snatched up 75% of the seats in their parliament, and videos are coming out now of what they are calling the "sushification" of Japan, where they will literally wrap up a foreigner that they think is behaving inappropriately and supposedly deporting them. More on that later. China has reportedly told their banks to start reducing their exposure to US debt. This is another shot fired in the China-US Cold War,

• 2:22Tom Bilyeu?

  and it will only further drive to de-dollarize the world. I know there's plenty of debate on that, and we'll have some of it here today. A slew of cancer cures, this is the new conspiracy, are reportedly flooding the market now that the US has left the WHO and the long arm of Big Pharma is no longer able to stifle reports of this incredible cancer innovation. Got a full breakdown on that and what I think is actually happening, which is definitely not as it is being represented. Huge breakthroughs are pouring out on the AI video front. If you guys saw any of that, it was a very bright spot on a very strange weekend on social media. Incredible, definitely nerve wracking for somebody like me, though, that's in the creative field. But we've got some examples of that that I want you guys to see.

• 3:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Progress certainly has not slowed down. And Elon switches his focus from Mars to the moon, saying that, given how much closer it is, he can iterate on a moon base much faster than he could iterate on a Mars base. But I have a feeling that quantum computing and energy regulations are the real reason that he's doing the switch. And we're going to get into all of that and more on today's episode. Drew?

• 3:33Speaker 02

  There's been some speculation. I don't know if you realized, the last like two or three weeks, there's been a lot of breakthroughs in a whole bunch of different medicines and stuff like that. People are saying that allegedly, once the US left the WHO, they were kind of, Big Pharma was holding the floodgates. And now that we're gone, all these cancer cures have just popped out.

• 3:53Tom Bilyeu?

  This is my concern, that we become conspiracy brained.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:58Tom Bilyeu?

  And, uh, listen, there, we obviously weren't conspiracy brained enough, so fair enough. Bill Maher said, where does QAnon go for their apology? I think it's a, you know, it's an interesting question. But we run the risk of the second something comes out, that when somebody says this is all fake, that we just go, yeah, everything is fake. And now we can't, just as dumb as it is to say, nothing is fake, saying everything is fake is equally, um, low utility. So we've got to be a little bit careful. So in looking at this, um, yeah, I think that things are very different than what's being portrayed. There's a narrative that's picking up steam online.

• 4:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Basically, Big Pharma is burying cancer cures because they're bad for business. Now, listen, in all honesty, I'm sure there are plenty of people in Big Pharma that have said, will continue to say things like,

• 4:55Tom Bilyeu?

  we discover industries or business models, we're not necessarily in the business of coming up with a cure. But people think of legacy often before anything else. And the pressure to, not pressure, the victory that would be to be the one to cure cancer is so extreme that I think that assuming that that can be shut down by Big Pharma is a mistake. But the rumor that's circulating goes like this. The US pulled out of the World Health Organization. Because of that, Big Pharma lost its enforcement arm. And now suddenly, all these cancer cures are pouring out because they can't be suppressed anymore. Now, from looking at it, the breakthroughs actually appear to be real. That part, people really are getting right.

• 5:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, all of a sudden, we're getting a lot of really exciting breakthroughs. 2025 was a landmark year for cancer treatment. The FDA actually issued 52 cancer drug approval announcements. But the important part is that over 70% of them were immunotherapies and targeted therapies. The very thing that people are saying they're never going to let through. So, a ton were coming out in 25. A ton were being approved by the FDA, which is actually what matters. So again, like, it doesn't square with what people are saying about the WHO. The things that are coming, we're talking about personalized mRNA cancer vaccines that train your immune system to attack your specific tumors. These are CAR-T cell therapies that are now moving into outpatient clinics.

• 6:23Tom Bilyeu?

  You've also got CRAS inhibitors, which are drugs that target a gene mutation responsible for a quarter of all cancerous tumors that scientists spent 30 years calling undruggable.

• 6:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so these are all the things we've been hoping and wanting for, but they've been going on for a long time, coming out largely in 25, long before what Trump just did. Now, in January, the FDA granted breakthrough therapy designation to the first drug ever to specifically target one of those mutations. It's a blood test that can detect multiple cancers before symptoms even appear. Those are also entering clinical use. None of that's hype. This is all genuine acceleration in cancer science. But where the narrative that this is all part of the US pulling out of WHO and that Big Pharma was able to so successfully pin all this down, where that falls apart is that none of this has anything to do with the WHO. I'm not going to bat for the WHO. Just assume the WHO is terrible.

• 7:18Tom Bilyeu?

  But the WHO, the World Health Organization, they don't approve drugs. So they don't regulate what treatments American patients can access, has zero authority over the FDA, which does control what Americans can access. The WHO's role is recommending international health standards, coordinating disease surveillance, and helping developing countries build health infrastructure. It's not, and has never been, the gatekeeper standing between any of us here in the US and cancer treatments. So the US formally exiting the WHO on January 22 of this year seems very unlikely to be the thing that is leading to these breakthroughs coming out now. The CRAS research that produced these new drugs started way back in 2013.

• 8:02Tom Bilyeu?

  The mRNA cancer vaccine platform was built on technology developed during COVID. Menin Inhibitors for Leukemia went through over a decade of clinical trials. So these aren't things that we're just sitting waiting for policy change. And again, the WHO is not responsible for the policy change that would impact this. So they're the output of thousands of researchers working for years across universities, hospitals, biotech startups, and yes, of course, pharmaceutical companies who I trust about as far as I can throw them. And so for that reason, because again, I'm not going to bat for any of these institutions. I understand the instinct behind people distrusting them and thinking that there must be something funny going on and that the timing is really controversial.

• 8:44Tom Bilyeu?

  My goal would be to get people to focus on the real thing, which is FDA, man. FDA is a problem. Like if you want to bang on somebody's doorstep, bang on the FDA's doorstep. Now, people obviously have reasons to not trust big pharma, largely because the incentive structure in healthcare is terrible. It is genuinely misaligned in ways that absolutely hurt all of us as patients. But the specific claim that a cure for cancer existed and was being hidden doesn't really survive contact with basic math. A researcher at Oxford actually ran the math and estimated that suppressing a single cancer cure would require at least 714,000 people across the major pharmaceutical companies, and it would require them to stay silent. If I remember right, he said that the math would like crumble in four years.

• 9:29Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't quite understand why he said four years. But anyway, he claims to have run the math. That doesn't include even academic scientists, the FDA, again, where your focus should be, health journalists, things like that. So the conspiracy would collapse just based on the sheer number of people that would have to be in on it. And if the, if we've learned anything from the Epstein files, it's that it's a distressingly small group of people that can keep these things moving behind the scenes. But a cancer breakthrough, when it's controlled by the FDA and not the WHO, us pulling out of the hoop, I don't track that. So if we want to say that the FDA was doing something, hey, I'm glad to look at that. Because as somebody formerly from the food industry, I do not trust the FDA. I certainly don't trust them to think clearly. And if you've watched any of the

• 10:14Tom Bilyeu?

  stuff on oxy, oxycodone, cotton, oxycon, oxycon, uh, sus, sus. I don't know if that, if anybody was ever charged, but man, some of those documentaries, pretty damning in terms of the FDA's involvement. So that's how I'd see it.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  It's been wild. I'm not gonna lie, when this first came out, I thought this was part of the Peter Deaman, as longevity AI is going to start rapidly increasing the rate of breakthroughs. So I was excited that a lot of these things were coming.

• 10:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That really may be true, by the way. I don't know how much of that is tied to why all of a sudden so many so fast. People in the medical industry, the more like when we had David Sinclair on, episode coming soon, I think.

• 10:57Tom Bilyeu?

  He was saying that the amount that AI speeds them up cannot be overstated. It's radical, radical. And given how much it speeds me up and like normal stuff, I would not be shocked.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. It'll be nice, but I do think we have to have a reckoning about incentives because there is.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  Right now pharmaceutical companies are incentivized to have diseases. They're not incentivized for cures.

• 11:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  So there is something that when all these cures do rapidly break, is it gonna be okay? You could cure cancer, but it's a $10,000 shot now because they have to front in all their profits. Or you know what I mean? And I know we don't like talking about the S word and we don't like when government gets involved with certain things.

• 11:38Tom Bilyeu?

  What's the S word?

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Socialism. So, you know, I just feel like there is gonna be.

• 11:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold on, if you're saying, hey, there might be some things that the government should pay for, and we should all want our tax dollars to go to. A hundred percent, let's remember socialism is confiscation of the means of production. That's evil, that's bad. Trying to make everything free, that's evil, that's bad, just because of the outcomes. But us all saying collectively, hey, you know, those tax dollars in mind that you're taking, balance the budget, but now that the budget's balanced, here's where I would like to allocate some of my money. I would like it to go to things that the private sector is not equipped to do well. And this would be one of them. So find a cure where it's like, there's gonna be a ton of money going into it, and then no money that comes out of it because it just makes the thing go away. It's a great use of money.

• 12:23Tom Bilyeu?

  I wasn't alive at the time, but I love that I grew up in the afterglow of the US government, JFK, giving a speech saying, we're going to the moon not because it's easy, but because it's hard. Doing it because we wanted to dunk on Russia. That's dope. Like, people don't understand, those things are dope, they are good. You want to rile your team up, you want your team to believe in you, what you're about, and that you guys are gonna be the best on the block. Russia should be saying the same thing. Azerbaijan should be saying, everybody should like be going to bat for their team. We want to live in a world where people play fair, we don't want war, but you want people like doing the raddest shit ever because they want to show that they're the best. And so us putting dollars behind the space program, hell yeah, like, let's go to excite, to thrill, whatever.

• 13:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, there are very good reasons, even beyond the science of all that, to do that. You can obviously get into the military aspect of you don't want your biggest rival to own space. But even without that, I think that there are incredible reasons to do it. So I, for one, as the most aggressively antisocialism, recognize that 52-ish percent of my dollars are being taken. So I would just like them to go to something that actually makes sense. Uh, and that would be one of them.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's, it's just gonna be interesting to see how that incentive reckoning happens across industries, um, cause it's gonna start happening.

• 13:43Tom Bilyeu?

  It won't. It will happen poorly. We, I mean, look, maybe all of this are like the, um, the final death throes of a system that needed to be dramatically overhauled and maybe something beautiful and wonderful comes out the other side. And maybe we really do, uh, get rid of the Fed, uh, or at least dramatically alter the way that it works as we unwind it slowly over time. Um, maybe we really do get to a point where we can balance the budget and people accept a certain level of austerity. Maybe AI really does grow so much and make so many things possible and yet remain in our control that like we're able to grow our way out of the big problems and there

• 14:24Tom Bilyeu?

  really is enough for everybody and, uh, enough people can understand how assets work that it's just not a good way to take advantage of people anymore. Because if, once people understand finance, they can be abused by it. So, uh, you know, those are all the things that we can hope, but there, right now, we do not show any inclination that we're going to shut the, um, the perverse incentives down.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 17:21Speaker 02

  Well, something else is on the cusp of getting shut down. A landmark big tech case is coming to America. It already played out in Europe and it played out in Australia, where they have social media bans at 16 now. There are two simultaneous lawsuits happening in California and New Mexico, and opening arguments started today.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  Today, opening statements set to begin in the landmark social media trial against the world's biggest tech companies accused of harming children and fueling addiction. Top CEOs like Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg expected to testify, but his company is already playing defense, releasing this statement, quote, "We strongly disagree with these allegations and are confident the evidence will show our longstanding commitment to supporting young people. For over a decade, we've listened to parents, worked with experts and law enforcement and conducted in-depth research to understand the issues that matter most." Here to break it all down for us, attorney and MRC Vice President.

• 18:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, positive respect. This is where the incentives really become a problem. So if you have a model where you want people to spend as much time as humanly possible on your platform, and you see that data is coming out that says spending extraordinary amounts of time on your platform are causing cognitive issues, you're in a bad spot because you really can't from a public company. This is another reason I don't want to be a public company. You've got so much pressure from investors to do that thing, that huh, it's good luck getting a man to understand something

• 18:58Tom Bilyeu?

  that which is paycheck insists he does not understand, right? So I'm not going to buy anything that Meta says. You're in a position of you've got motivated reasoning if nothing else. If I were a parent, I would not let my kids on social media until they're 16. If I could push it, 18, 25, like it's, it is. At a headline level, it does not appear to be good for the brain. The brain is what I'm worried about, even more than I'm worried about like the psychological impact. I'm worried about when your brain is developing.

• 19:36Tom Bilyeu?

  It is going to adjust down different pathing depending on the environment that it grows up in. And if you're in an environment where you're just constantly scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, like get these hyper rapid dopamine hits, your brain adjusts to that. And so now you get to the point where your brain is designed to work in a way where you're getting that constant stimulus. And when you don't get it, then it's not operating as usual, it's going to squawk. And that's kids getting agitated, irritated, freaking out, gotta have it, throwing tantrums, kicking, breaking, all that stuff. And so the bad news about brain development is as you get older, you can change, you can create new neurons until the day you die. All of that stuff is very real.

• 20:20Tom Bilyeu?

  The problem is that the period of hyper brain plasticity is like up through 11. And then every day after that, it gets less. And so what changes would have been easy until you're 11, become a little bit harder. And by the time you're 18, you're kind of baked. By the time you're 25, it's really game over. And you can adjust behaviors and things like that. But like the fundamental wiring of your brain is forever set. And the difference of people who, you know, go one way, let's say, get addicted to drugs and alcohol, just to make something really easy.

• 20:59Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not like, oh, when they're 30, they're completely normal because they started working on themselves in their twenties. It doesn't work like that. They're going to have behavioral problems forever. There are studies that show that if a kid isn't socialized properly, meaning knowing how to cooperate, give and take, by the time they're four, they're going to be a behavioral problem forever. They never back out of that by three or four. So that kind of stuff terrifies me. And I mean, shout out to any parent who grew up with, I wouldn't have expected this. And so I would have, if I had had kids, I would have like given them an iPad because it makes them quiet. So, and then I probably wouldn't have watched a lot of Cocohelens. So I wouldn't have realized that the way that it displays is like, ah, like just constantly trying to gauge,

• 21:44Tom Bilyeu?

  engage, reengage, reengage, reengage. So the kids are never meant to like engage themselves. So when you think about,

• 21:54Tom Bilyeu?

  This is just my frame of reference. I'm gonna bring it up all the time. When you think about why I think Minecraft is the greatest video game of all time, it's because it's entrepreneurial. It doesn't tell you what to do. You just get dropped in. You're in a rules-based world. Have fun. And that's it. And the game steps back. And

• 22:14Tom Bilyeu?

  it will be hard for me to put into words, but the first time I played it, I almost rage quit. I wanted to throw my controller through the TV screen because I didn't understand what they wanted me to do. And I was so angry and I was like, they expect a 14-year-old, a 12, 11-year-old, to be able to figure this out. As a 40-whatever-year-old. Bro, I've gotta be able to figure this out. And I was like, I'm never playing that again. And then the next day I was like, I wanna figure it out. Like there's, and so it stuck with me. And then once I got in, it was like, oh, I get to set my own goals and all this stuff. It was fucking awesome. So kids need that. The brain needs that. And if you don't give the brain that, you're gonna be in trouble. And so we're, things like this have to happen. We've got to, at a minimum,

• 22:57Tom Bilyeu?

  because if we wanna let meta exist, fine. But at a minimum, we've gotta bang the drum, like no universe in which schools are allowed to let kids fuck around on their phones. So just like at school, hard pass, no way. And if that means that kids have withdrawal symptoms, then they have withdrawal symptoms, like

• 23:17Tom Bilyeu?

  you have to address that. You can't just give in and let them be little psychopaths, like we've gotta educate our nation.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm, I'm split. And there was somebody in the chat that mentioned it out, so I kinda wanna like see what they say. No one worth mentioning. I'm not seeing their comment, but they basically said, on one side, I do understand that this is doing harm. So let's call it, this is the cigarettes of our time. Should doctors be smoking in the exam room? Should we be smoking inside? All these other things. And then on the other side, it's the...

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Individual rights, the government shouldn't tell me what to do with my kid. It's my kid. I could do what they want.

• 23:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Where do you see that line is specifically in this lifetime with social media? Is this something that the government should step in on?

• 24:00Tom Bilyeu?

  I think the government should leave it out of government things. The government shouldn't be funding it. The government shouldn't be allowing it in schools, like all of that, like a hundred percent. But you don't want the government in your house. Full stop, period, end of story. Barring like abuse, you don't want the government. They're too fucking stupid. Like, I, I will reiterate for people. For decades, they told us sugar was fine, that it was at the top of the food pyramid. You should eat the ass end out of, they, they won't say sugary cereals, but breads and all that stuff to your body. It's just sugar. So they were like, yeah, this stuff is good for you. Oh, and by the way, you know what's bad for you? Fat.

• 24:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That is a hundred percent the opposite of what is true. And they didn't do it for a little while. They did it for decades and they did it in the face of people getting sicker and sicker and sicker by the day. Chronic obesity, like crazy shit. And they didn't adjust course. So there's no world in which I want them telling me what we can and can't do. Like they're already fucking with AI. And that's where I'm like, yeah, no, that hard pass. So I am not for that. But at the same time, there are things where even if it's like just a question mark, where they're like, we're not going to engage with this. Perfect. Don't buy fast food and put it in the schools. Love it.

• 25:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Don't, uh, don't let social media exist in school, full stop. Don't let kids bring phones, full stop. Let them bring a flip phone, but not a smartphone. Great. All that stuff, wonderful. That way if parents are like, they've got to be able to reach me. Cool. But yeah, we're, we're not going to let people engage with that. But then the government telling parents, you can't let your kid have a social media account. No way. Like imagine for a second that you have a kid and you're like, uh, your kid is, is advanced. And so you're, I want you to be able to go and engage with, like I had a kid on the show who had like, Thirteen or fourteen, built a nuclear reactor in his garage.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Geez.

• 26:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Like to the point where he was collecting uranium himself. Plutonium, one of the two. He would walk in the mountains because he knew where you could find it. He would take it back home. It's crazy. So I don't want, and that is what one of a million examples that you can make of like your average kids. You do not need this just for super geniuses. But like you want people like that to be able to engage with the community of other thinkers and be able to tap into all that stuff. And social media is one of the easiest ways to do it.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Um, some people are definitely pushing back, saying like, we don't allow our kid to drink. We don't allow them to smoke. Social media is that thing. Um, should there at least be guardrails? For example, Australia, you can't do, I think YouTube was on that list, but let's take YouTube off for a second. But you can't do Snapchat, you can't do Facebook, you can't do Instagram, but YouTube is okay. Or something like that. Like, is there a way we can kind of?

• 26:53Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't trust the government at all to do that. I think parents should do it. This comes down to a base assumption. Do governments run your kids or do you own is maybe a more accurate word? Does the government own your kids or do you own your kids? I believe you decentralize that. And there's no doubt that there are going to be bad parents and kids will suffer because of that. But I trust the parents infinitely more to know what's right for their kids than I trust the government. That's one of those base assumptions. If you think the government is an agent of good, then you're going to think I'm crazy. If you think the government is an agent of good, I think you're out of your fucking mind. And for you to look at what's going on with all the things that they've gotten wrong, including the Epstein files, and you still think they have your best interests at heart? Fuck you. That's so retarded. That's full retard. That is short bus.

• 27:37Tom Bilyeu?

  That is you need medication. No way. So yeah, I don't trust them. I'm not saying all parents are good. They're not. There's going to be horrific parents. But boy, oh, boy, do I, from a law of averages, I trust the parents to understand their children. And how many times do I have to hear from parents with multiple kids? What works with one kid doesn't work with the other. And so the government's going to do blanket fucking policies. It's like at the parent level, they should be deciding yes or no for their kids. Like there are some households, hey, say what you will. There are some households like, I was allowed to have a sip of my dad's beer. That was it. Should my dad be in trouble for that?

• 28:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Right? I didn't grow up to drink. I didn't have my first like proper drink till I was 26. Because it was, um, I saw what alcoholics look like. It did not look fun. And then my parents let me taste it. Tasted like ass. So it was like, meh. It just wasn't like some big thing. Same with my wife. Grew up in a culture where drinking by the age of 18 was fine. So by the time they're 16, they're drinking. Wife's doing okay. So, um, yeah, I don't want the government. I want to limit the government's involvement as much as is wise. Now, are we going to agree on where it's wise? No. But, ooh buddy, I do not trust them.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  No, that makes sense. And it's actually interesting too, because I lucked out, um, growing, uh, raising Lynn. Because when she was two, she had an iPad and this was back in 2012 and iPads were still like 400 bucks. And she was playing Tom the Cat. That's a cat that used to pull because belly used to make the mo- noise and all that. And she like rage quit and like tossed the iPad and it like dropped. I didn't have a case or nothing on it. It dropped and shattered. And me like getting triggered from my parents, like, oh, you broke it? I'm not buying you another one. You're gonna learn your lesson. I never bought her iPad again. So she never got back on the iPad.

• 29:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Thank God.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  And that's what I'm saying. I was like, God works in mysterious ways because this whole time now I'm seeing like iPad kids and addiction and all that.

• 29:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Haitian culture one. iPad sinister zero. Let's go.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Definitely would have been iPad baby, but because she broke it, I was like, you're never getting iPad again. And she was two. So she was like, okay. She was mad for that afternoon. And then I was like, all right, read me a book or. I remember there was one day where we were, she was just climbing up and down the stairs for like three hours. And it was like, all right, you're entertaining yourself and it didn't cost me money. And cool. And that's just what it is. So it's interesting how sometimes, specifically I can understand how directionally you want to intervene because social media is, there's a hundred, a bunch of suicides. There's unrealistic beauty standards, especially having a daughter. She's a little bit more sensitive to, I need to have makeup and I need to get this beauty product. And there's certain things that as a young man, I didn't have to go through. But I do agree, like, it's just a slippery slope of saying, your kids can't do this, your kids can't do this. What else are they gonna tell my kids they can and can't do?

• 30:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, I love parents telling their kids, you can't do that. You can't have an iPad. You can't have a, nope. Be as draconian as you want to be. And some parents will run the experiment of like, absolutely no sugar, never get to touch an iPad, all that stuff. And those kids will go on to be like the most sugar eating, the most iPad using 20 year olds. It is what it is. But yeah, I, at the level of government policy, it has proven over time to be terrible. The worst person to solve your problems is the government.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  It's wild. Um, there was that study, though I didn't pull it up, that Generation Z is a first generation that technically is like dumber, putting air quotes than the millennials. They're blaming social media, they're blaming iPads, they're blaming, you know, AI and all these things.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Are we going to see in like 20 years? I'm like, okay, holy crap. You can't touch a screen until you're 10? Like, is there gonna, there has to be some little bit?

• 31:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Now.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Now. So we tried to find a way, um, shout out to Jonathan Haidt, who just doesn't fit the channel anymore, but love his work. Love that he's banging this drum. And, uh, yeah, I think that more and more schools are gonna outlaw it. I think that more and more parents are gonna put the kibosh on it. And this goes back to at the individual level, you guys don't have to worry. You can educate your kids, you can make sure that your Gen Z-er is as sharp as any generation has ever been. At the individual level, this is an easy problem to solve. As you zoom back out, it becomes more and more scary, but I, people always react, the pendulum always swings. And if people see this is a problem,

• 31:45Tom Bilyeu?

  also remember, anything that offers an advantage will be pursued. So, and that's game theory. So any parent who realizes, oh, my kid can be guaranteed life success if I adopt a more Chinese model, I get them studying all the time, I don't let them play too many video games, I don't let them engage with their iPad too much. Yep, cool, I'm on. And so you're gonna get American parents that are gonna do that same exact thing. So China wasn't like this. For a hundred years, they were getting their ass handed to them because culturally they weren't sharp. They weren't like thinking in the right ways. And so then they're like, all right, cool, we're gonna run a new playbook. Deng Xiaoping turns everything around in the seventies and boom, you've got the modern era China.

• 32:26Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, yeah, expect it'll start in pockets and then over time it will spread to culture, broadly speaking.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, yeah, this is opening arguments, we'll see, but this is definitely one of those legislation, legislative defining court cases, because it's happening both in California and New Mexico. So depending on how that turn, what ramifications that will happen with Meta, they're not just gonna do in that one state, it's gonna end up being a blanket policy. So we'll see what their second and third order consequences are.

• 32:56Tom Bilyeu?

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• 34:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Let's go across the seas for a second. There's two stories that are kind of interesting because on one side, China is limiting its exposure to US debt. There's been some reports about that. We've heard so many conflicting reports about China, I don't even know what to believe anymore now. So kind of frame what this is actually mean? How can this affect the US markets and what do you think the implications will be?

• 34:31Tom Bilyeu?

  So the way that I am thinking through this is you've got two countries that are both in trouble to varying degrees and in different ways. You've got China that has a massive demography problem. So they had the one-child policy for so long that their population is dramatically declining. You also have an incentive structure in China where they're going to lie. And a lot of their dollars come from basically self-reporting things. And so the number of injections that you give to kids, for instance, is how a doctor gets paid. So you're going to inflate the numbers of the injections that you give to people. So because of the incentive structure.

• 35:11Tom Bilyeu?

  They don't have like good reporting and Xi is now purging everybody. So all he's getting is propaganda on propaganda on propaganda. However, they are the world's manufacturing hub. Full stop, end of story, nobody disputes that. And while it does look like they've dropped back down in terms of total exports because of all the trade battle between the US and China. They're still the place that you go for manufacturing. So they've got a huge leg up and they are a gigantic economy regardless of whether their numbers are being inflated. Some people are saying somewhere, in fact, China is openly discussing. Are our population numbers inflated by 100 million or 300 million?

• 35:55Tom Bilyeu?

  So they're saying it's a range somewhere in there. So it's this massive range. They've got the demography thing looming. But economically, because they are the world's manufacturing hub, they've got ongoing revenue that they can count on. The US, on the other hand, has an economy that's essentially 70% predicated on debt. So our GDP is 70% spending money. It's wild. How are we able to spend money? Because we are the world's reserve currency. So we can export a lot of our inflation. So that allows us to run these deficits, which is crazy. And we basically have some absurd percentage of the American populace on the dole. It's wild. I forget the exact number, but it's massive.

• 36:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And so China knows that we're in a debt trap. And so if China wants to win, then they've got to focus on the areas where they're strong. Manufacturing, lessen their reliance on US debt, begin to back away. And while everyone will tell you that the digital or the yuan is never going to be the world's reserve currency, gold already is held by more central banks than US dollars. That's a change. That is a radical change that is happening before our eyes. And if China can pull off actually backing the yuan with gold in a way where they're working with some other country that holds the physical gold, a country that's Large enough and that's trusted enough, then they really could back the digital yuan,

• 37:25Tom Bilyeu?

  knowing that it's redeemable for gold. And that again, as long as China doesn't control it and people have faith in that, like you could see that really happen and China is making strides in that direction. Now, people are going to tell you that this is impossible. They're going to tell you like Peter Zion. I loved my time with Peter Zion. There are few people that will directly refute my beliefs with the succinctness with the data. Then Peter, he's very gracious, he's very intelligent, he's very well educated. It was absolutely wonderful. But it basically comes down to what are the base assumptions that you believe? One of my base assumptions is that China got to where they are for very good reasons.

• 38:09Tom Bilyeu?

  It is a country full of extraordinarily intelligent people, that they are a gigantic nation, even if they're only a billion people and not the 1.4 that we've been told. That's still massive, massive. And when you get a country as focused as they are on education and winning, homie, you turn a blind eye to that at your peril. They are on the come up and Xi can be ousted if the country is going in a bad direction. So this is one of those where as we extend life, yes, are they having a demographic problem that is spilling over? Yes. Is robotics proving to be advantageous in Japan? Yes. Do I see any reason why China, that out manufactures everybody, couldn't spin up their own robotics factory?

• 38:54Tom Bilyeu?

  No, I do not. Who is the second biggest player in AI? China. So who's spinning up more energy than anybody on the planet? China. So whenever somebody's like, Matt, China is like over and done with. We just don't share a base assumption. Okay, it's not that I don't understand the argumentation. It's not even that I don't understand the data that they're looking at. It's just it all rides on the back of what base assumptions do you believe? And I have a huge base assumption around AI, robotics, that some of these advanced nations are going to be able to deal with their productivity problem, which is what it is, using AI and robotics. We all, I don't hear anybody disagreeing with that. Japan, but I hear somehow people disagree with that in China where they've proven that they adapt

• 39:35Tom Bilyeu?

  very quickly, even if by stealing the tech, they still adapt very quickly. So I don't write those guys off. I think it's very serious. Now, one thing Peter has convinced me of is that they're not as militarily flexible as I thought. I thought they had broader reach. That's something that he's made me reconsider. So the spheres of influence thing takes on greater importance. But it does say that US is going to have a hard choice as to whether we want to go sweat them in their own backyard where they can fuck with us militarily, or whether we want to say, um, you know what? We're just going to stay here. You guys take Asia. That, that is a big, that would be an earthquake felt around the world if the US just writes them off. So that means that there is a chance that we actually

• 40:18Tom Bilyeu?

  do force a military conflict in their backyard. So I don't think we're out of the woods with Thucydides trap. That's his pitch is that, no, no, no, you don't understand. These guys can't go far enough. We'll see.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  And then in Asian news continuing, um, new right wing PM, um, PM Takata Takachi.

• 40:36Tom Bilyeu?

  I think it's said exactly like that.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Just won a landslide in their apartment, our apartment, like, uh, words. She's anti-illegal immigrant, wants to maintain Japanese core culture and is a China hawk. Japan has gave her a sweeping mandate. This ushers a massive tax cut that she's been wanting to push through. This vote is the way to solidify that.

• 40:58Tom Bilyeu?

  This, for anybody that wants to compare this to the US, this is as if the US had a super majority, either Republican or Democrat. Well, I mean, it's like having a Republican super majority.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:08Tom Bilyeu?

  So there is nothing filibuster or otherwise, there is nothing the other side can stop you from running through. That's wild. So expect rapid change in Japan. Uh, so this is going to be very interesting to see. My, so when I was a kid, Japan was like, look at Die Hard. Who's the boss?

• 41:27Speaker 02

  Japan.

• 41:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct. Look at, um, Back to the Future, Japan. It's just like in the eighties, it was like, oh, Japan's about to take it all. Like they were the future. The whole concept of Neo Tokyo and all that, that they were just so much more advanced than we were in the West. And we used economic games to shut them down. And so they've been held in like stasis for forty years. And so now this is them going fuck all that. Like we're coming back with a vengeance. We can feel China breathing down our neck. We have like centuries long hostility with China. And so we know if we're not able to defend ourselves, we've got a problem. We also know that we have a demographic problem. And so we've got to deal with that.

• 42:13Tom Bilyeu?

  They spent, I don't know, like three years importing foreigners only to be like hard pass. They, they, they do not play. They want Japan to be Japanese. And so, uh, I don't know how real this is, but what I was saying at the top of the show is the sushi-ification of Japan where they are wrapping up

• 42:36Tom Bilyeu?

  migrants that are acting a fool. They literally swaddle them and then just load them up. Gotta go. Okay. I took my mom to Japan. First of all, Japan is the dopest ever. You have to go. Are they racist? A hundred percent. But like my mom and I were there, my mom smokes. And they don't play. Like you can't even smoke outside. They're like, they're designated smoking areas. And they have people wandering around with like little pouches to make you give them your cigarette. They put it out. And then like tell you to like, there are only certain areas. So like in a hotel where my mom and I were saying, my mom smokes. And so we had to go into this tiny, like you shorten your life every time you go in this little room. A thousand percent. It was the craziest shit I've ever seen.

• 43:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Thick gray cloud. Because you can't go outside. Imagine that. Japan so does not play. You can't go outside to smoke. You have to go in the tiny ass little death box inside the hotel to smoke. That's where Japan's at. They like, if you don't abide by their culture, they don't have garbage cans. Like you, if you eat something or whatever, you have a package left in your, you're going to carry it for hours. Hours. Cause there's no trash cans. And in Japanese culture, I, I would have thought no trash cans, garbage is going to be on the floor everywhere. Nope. Japanese don't play. You drop trash, you don't have to wait for the authorities. People are gonna shame you. Like, they're there, they don't play, man. So, listen, it is a wonderful place. I highly encourage people to visit it, but it is Japanese.

• 44:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, that is not, like, they're not trying to, uh, homogenize with the world.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Also, going back to the PM, I think it's hilarious and very telling of just America in general, that she's the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party. And she's the one who's anti-immigrant pro-tax cuts.

• 44:22Tom Bilyeu?

  This is their liberal.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  This is their, this is their liberal.

• 44:24Tom Bilyeu?

  That is the wildest shit ever.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Just to level set us, it's not all about America.

• 44:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Liberal in Japan is a whole different scene.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  It's a whole different meaning, so.

• 44:33Tom Bilyeu?

  That's hilarious.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  That's crazy. Um, all right, AI has been going crazy. I don't know if we want to start with the moon. I don't know if we want to start with these AI filmmaking things. Uh, this Dragon Ball Z anime was kinda crazy.

• 44:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think, so, uh, let's start with the AI videos.

• 44:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, let's set the stage with how rapidly this is evolving. Okay, so we recently had somebody on the show who, uh, and I'm ashamed of myself because in the video, I did not push back hard enough, but they were saying basically that, when was the last time the AI really made a big advance? And I was like, okay, yeah, admittedly, four to five on chat wasn't that great. Uh, and then the very next day, I experienced chat like pro-pro and was completely blown away. Uh, I've since migrated mostly to Claude, and that has blown me away. And I realized, like, they're, um, so, what's his name? Yan Lekun. So Yan Lekun sort of got chased out of AI circles because he kept saying,

• 45:35Tom Bilyeu?

  like, this stuff just isn't that good, and large language models are never gonna get us there. Uh, it's just not the right technology. And so, um, by the time he would say that and the podcast would come out, somebody would do something that would just break that. Same for me, right? So, since doing that podcast multiple times now, I've been completely blown away by some new AI thing. Um, and so, with that in mind, I just don't see. Where we're running into a wall like even as regulators and we'll get into this more with the trip to the moon. As regulators try to curb data centers and things like that, people are finding ways around it.

• 46:14Tom Bilyeu?

  So while it seems like every technology does eventually hit some sort of wall. It doesn't feel like AI is anywhere near that. And even just fully integrating what already exists in AI would take years. Will Smith eating spaghetti progression over the years. It's just, it looks completely natural. It's not a hundred percent there and you can tell in the voice more than the visuals. See Dance, which I believe is an offshoot of Byte Dance, which did TikTok. So this is out of China and supposedly they're not letting people outside of China use it. But you're able to prompt like scenes off of a single image. And make edits and changes, swap characters, swap camera angles.

• 46:58Tom Bilyeu?

  This is unbelievable. Now, from a game perspective, I'm like, okay, like this is getting now. So Kaizen will start doing what I think will be limited cut sequences. But what people have to remember is a lot of the improvement isn't just going to be more and bigger data sets and training and all that. Cause people are going to say, well, you're going to run into a data problem, which we're really already at. But even just giving it feedback and saying, okay, this one's better than this one. You need to make this change, creating better interfaces so that you can edit different elements and not have to, you know, just one whole shot at a time. Being able to get consistency of characters, things that will propel this forward dramatically.

• 47:39Tom Bilyeu?

  You don't need more advancements in AI, you need advancements in UI. So just getting the user interface better, giving people more control. So it's like, if all AI progress stopped right now, I would say within five years, 25% of the content you watch is AI generated, you don't think about it, you don't discern. You're just like, yeah, dope.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  And I'm going to be honest, it's like these latest breakthroughs were the first time I would like, okay, that is kind of cool. I can see stories that I had buried in here that just were too expensive, can't make it happen. All these other things that I would love to prompt, but to your point, I think you. Why? There needs to be a shift between, hey, make a cool fight scene like Dragon Ball Z enter. And instead, this is my script. This is the scenes. These are the characters. Let me upload it. Okay, this character does this move in that that control. So it's almost like, you know, when you're growing up, you have little action figures and you're modeling scenes. If there is something that had that level of control where character one does this, character B responds like this. And you can get to that level of it, that where I think we'll really see a takeoff. Like the prompt thing, it's easy. I get it. It's cool.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  But I would like to see that second layer of control somewhere. So I'm waiting for whatever system to kind of lean into that first.

• 48:47Tom Bilyeu?

  So there is, so that stuff is coming. There's a movie coming out, I think in roughly fourteen or fifteen months. At the time they made the announcement, I believe it was eighteen months. OpenAI is a part of it and it's going to be, I believe, entirely done with AI, but with like a real film crew behind it. So you've got a film crew using AI to do concept art. You've got a film crew behind it doing cinematics or cinematography and all that stuff. And so it will still take them, like I said, roughly eighteen months to do. But I'm sure it's going to be a much smaller team. So when you start talking about, okay, it's still like a Hollywood system. It still requires like very talented writers. It still requires people to have incredible taste to really get something that works.

• 49:29Tom Bilyeu?

  But like, imagine if you can reduce the cost of a film by eighty percent. So it's still millions of dollars, but a blockbuster instead of being three hundred million dollars, let's say is thirty million dollars. Bro, that is gigantic.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:44Tom Bilyeu?

  So that's where I expect the sort of next, call it three to five years to play out, where we've just so dramatically reduced the budgets. And then north of five years, I think it starts to really just be what you're talking about, which is, people can make their own stuff. So now there's just such a flood that I worry what people are telling us is that when there's that much content, you just always want a TLDR. Make me, make me a reel of Dragon Ball Z. Don't make me watch like the whole thing. And so it's just reels and reels and reels and reels. I'm an old fuddy duddy when it comes to that. Like that makes me sad.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Like the emotional depth that you can get on a long series is just incredible. But if your brain wasn't developed to think of that, to respond to that, you don't have any context for it, you don't seek it out. Cause I'm sure there are people who are like, Sitting with a fiction book, which I never do, once a year, is so amazing. Anybody's life who doesn't have that every, you know, weekend or whatever is just like, I weep for them. But I don't miss it. It's like, I've got so many other things that I find engaging. So the world just moves on. So anyway, that's one that'll make me sad.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  And it's interesting that you brought that Dragon Ball Z point up because somebody on Twitter did a supercut of like all of Goku's like Super Saiyans. And I remember growing up, it literally took years for him to get Super Saiyan one. Like, that was like a two-year arc. And just now kids are like, oh yeah, one, two, three, four, five, six. Oh, and then now he's eight, and now there's blue hair, now he's god mode. And it's just like, you just skipped all of the, tomorrow's the episode where he finally, like, all that anticipation is just kind of gone. So I do also kind of reminisce with that, but I mean, it's just now, there's just has to be something on the other side.

• 51:35Tom Bilyeu?

  I do think that we will eventually run into a problem with the way that the human mind works. There are just certain things that the mind is architected to expect to want to thrive in that environment. And progress is a foundational pillar of human happiness. So I think we have an algorithm in our brain that wants struggle to equal, I got better. And that getting better at this thing matters, and that I do a thing that makes people praise me. I think that's effectively the loop. And so if you don't have that, and you're always shortcutting to the end, you'll get there faster and you'll get that brief dopamine hit. But you'll never get the substantive like progress.

• 52:17Tom Bilyeu?

  This is why people get addicted to drugs because all of life, I'm convinced, is about neurochemical manipulation. Like, we are just trying to manipulate our neurochemistry, whether that's sex, whether that's progress, whether it's food, whether it's drugs and alcohol. We're just trying to manipulate our brain chemistry. And when it's done in the context of a full human life, it feels awesome. But when you short circuit that to drugs and just give me the drug, then all of a sudden people spiral and their life becomes addiction. And like, we know the outcome there. Like when all the other things, the hard work, the just being plugged into the way that society is structured, like all of that stuff assumes you're working hard to progress over time,

• 53:00Tom Bilyeu?

  to, you know, get the money and to get the accolades from your community. Like, that's what everything is built for. When you eject out of that to get it super quick, it leads to devastation, like it actually tears your life apart. And so I think we have to remind ourselves that addiction does not only come in the form of an exogenous chemical that you take, it can be many things. And if one of those addictions is skip to the punchline really, really fast, so I can pull the dopamine to right now, that doesn't stack in the way that your brain expects it to. So you might get the dopamine hit, but it will erode your life in the same way that a drug addiction erodes your life.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's interesting, and I'm queuing up the hard mode thing with the SpaceX colony. But this weekend I had a volunteer event that I got roped into with my daughter's like step team. And it was like, oh, we're volunteering at the Supercross thing. We're gonna do like a concession stand.

• 53:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Supercross motorcycles?

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Yes. So, so me, I'm like concession stand. I'm thinking in high school, I'm thinking it's gonna be like a small booth. But no, we were like inside the stadium, like in one of those like actual things. Like I did like a nine hour shift. Like they roped me into like working. Yes, I was a little bit frustrated in that. But the interesting thing was like, I was on the cash register, Limo was behind me. She was like the runner. So I'm like, they need nachos. She'll go get the nachos filled up with cheese and give it to the customer, whatever like that. But then we got so swamped, I guess it was halftime for Supercross. I didn't know, like whenever it was just a bunch of lines, we opened up all the other lines. We started running out of food, so the guy next to me had to go in the back to start making food. And Limo was like, Dad, teach me how to work the register. So I like taught her real quick. And then she started like hold her own and was taking customers and stuff like that. And when I tell you, I had to drag her out the bed that morning. She didn't want to go. This is stupid. I don't want to do it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  And then by the end of the day, she was like, yo, I was kind of killing it. I like this. So there is that thing that like, we need, we need to have this like approval feedback loop, like it. Is fundamental and a lot of that is on the other side of things we don't want. So now I'm queuing up this Elon thing because when I first heard like there's going to be a growing city on the moon like hard mode. I guess, but there is going to be a portion of people that are like. Computers easy, this is easy, I can't do sports, all right, I need to just go blow something up, I need to hit a rock really hard and break it into two. And that way I could feel like I I accomplished something today. So it's like. That hard mode thing is starting to actually like come, I think, into fruition. Especially once that meaningless crisis happened when AI does hit that like asymptote, it just kind of goes crazy.

• 55:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this this one is. For me, this is thrilling. The fact that we're going to build a colony on the moon is one of the most exciting things that I can think about actually happening in my lifetime. And when you really break down what the motivations are, I think that this is economic. And the reason I bring that up is you can trust that it's actually going to happen. Like, once you know, oh, I'm just aligning myself to somebody's selfish desires. Perfect. I think Elon is looking at the moon. Well, first he's looking at Mars and he's saying, okay, I want to make us multiplanetary. I built this incredible business. Doing that, launching things into space, I want to get us there. But he realizes that, given how it's like an eighteen month trip. Given that it is. Narrow windows where you can actually get there in the first place.

• 56:05Tom Bilyeu?

  That iterating on things that happen on Mars is going to be a very slow process. And so. You know, he's not a spring chicken. Obviously, we all have limits. And so I imagine he looks at that and goes, hmm, I'm not sure how quickly we're going to be able to do that. He maps out what is happening from a regulatory standpoint here with AI. He obviously understands whoever wins AI wins full stop. So he's in that race. He knows that he's faster from an engineering perspective, from a build out perspective than literally any human alive. And he goes, okay, wait a second, we've got two big beats. We've got cooling needs. And so being able to get the power that we need to a data center is becoming increasingly difficult, given regulatory problems.

• 56:48Tom Bilyeu?

  But space is effectively infinitely cold. And so we can go into space, no problem. And then the other is quantum compute. Which also requires things to be really, really cold. And he's talking about putting them inside of craters on Mars where there's effectively no weather. I don't know if it's if you protect yourself from the dust particles there or not. That may or may not be part of this. But basically, you don't have to deal with sunlight. You don't have to deal with having to cool these things. And so now for effectively free, I mean, let's put that in quotes because you have to go to the moon. They can build out quantum centers, data centers, either in orbit or on the moon itself. While practicing for Mars.

• 57:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, he has said, we're not going to the moon because we want to build a base and then launch things from there. We're still going to launch from Earth. So he's doing something else. And I think it's those two things. I think it's doing the dry run, being able to iterate much faster. It's a three day trip. You can go anytime you want. Well, I think there's like, uh, I forget how long, but it's a very, very limited amount of time. Oh, perfect.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self growing city on the moon. As we potentially achieve that in less than 10 years, whereas Mars will take 20 plus. The mission of SpaceX remains the same, extend consciousness and life as we know it to the stars. It is only possible to travel to Mars where the planets align every 26 months. And it's a six month trip time, whereas we can launch to the moon every 10 days. It's a two day trip time. This means we can iterate much faster to complete a moon city than a Mars city. That said, SpaceX will also strive to build a Mars city and begin doing so in about five to seven years. But the overriding priority is securing the future of civilization civilization and the moon is faster.

• 58:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, very interesting. So it's a 12 month trip to Mars, not 18, my apologies. Yes, that is, that all makes sense to me. So the Mars thing always felt a little more like I'm excited, like it's really going to happen. But it always felt kind of far away. The moon feels like something, I think he's talking about in 2027.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:49Tom Bilyeu?

  So that would be incredible because just landing somebody on the moon or just landing them on Mars is not the exciting thing I want to see. I want to see like the domes being built and like actual people living on the moon. That would be so wild. Like, that really gets me excited.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  I just, I need to figure out the power dynamics, like how we're connecting everything. Cause I know it's dumb, like we don't have outlets, but like, how are you gonna have all these data centers connected to that to beam into a satellite?

• 59:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me tell you.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:19Tom Bilyeu?

  So you're in outer space, which means there's no atmosphere stopping the sun from being captured. And so as solar cells get better and better, you'll, I mean, you'll already be able to do everything you need to do just from sunlight.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:32Tom Bilyeu?

  But what people I don't think understand is, um, in our galaxy, the sun is like ninety nine point nine nine percent of all the energy. So you could literally burn every fossil fuel ever. It's a rounding error, like it's a rounding error on the rounding error on the rounding error of the amount of energy that's being kicked off by the sun. So we're confusing a current difficult time with harnessing that energy with the energy not being present. So even nuclear, we're like, why are we thinking about solar? That's so dumb. We should be thinking about nuclear. Nuclear again is a rounding error and a rounding error and a rounding error of what you can get if you just harness the amount of energy that's already coming from the sun.

• 1:00:15Tom Bilyeu?

  And so being outside of our atmosphere already allows you to capture a lot more. Now it's a twenty four hour cycle. There's, not only does weather not matter, but you know, positioning in terms of the earth being at night and being faced away from the sun doesn't matter. So you can just capture it around the clock. And then, um, the amount of energy being captured by, uh, solar is going up. It's not like a vertical line, but it's going up, up, up, up, up. Like if you look at China.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Tom Bilyeu?

  It's crazy. So, um, if Elon is right, and I don't see any reason why he isn't. If the sun is like the whole game, then yeah, get outside of the atmosphere, capture from the sun, and you can have all the outlets you want. Uh, effectively for free.

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  Gotcha. Um, and then this is reminding me of that movie Elysium with Matt Damon. Yeah. Where they kind of built like this whole like space colony and stuff like that. Is that a viable future for civilization? I'm not even gonna say for America.

• 1:01:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  But do you think that that's something that we should strive for?

• 1:01:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Should strive for is, uh, I think that being multi-planetary is wise, given that we are prone to self-destruction. The thing that always makes me hesitate is I don't know. I don't know enough of the engineering to know if we're better off on the surface of a moon or Mars, or if we're better off building like these big, I think there's a name for them, like these big floating.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Like space shuttle, space station type thing?

• 1:01:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I don't, just from an engineering perspective, I don't know what's more viable. So I'd have to do some research on that, but getting off of just planet Earth, yes.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  This is gonna be, it's, it's, I'm curious to see how this all plays out because there is gonna be that,

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  I don't wanna say crash test, I'm gonna be like, there is gonna be that experimentation.

• 1:02:09Tom Bilyeu?

  People are gonna die.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:02:11Tom Bilyeu?

  That's like a super easy way to put it. And how many, that's why, uh, this is beware of corporations as, as much as you're wary of the government, but I would rather see this in the hands of a corporation that I know if there's actually an advantage, they're gonna press it.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:27Tom Bilyeu?

  And so they'll keep doing it. Now, as long as they're open and transparent about the risks and all that, it just makes me think of Shackleton. So for people that don't know, uh, Ernest Shackleton wanted to be the first to, I don't remember if it was like cross the Antarctic or what circumnavigate it, whatever. He was going to the Antarctic and, or the Arctic, one of the two. I don't know if it's north or south. And he put out this ad that was like, men wanted for hazardous journey, small wages, bitter cold, long months of complete darkness.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Small wages.

• 1:02:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Constant danger, safe return doubtful, honor and recognition in event, uh, in event of success. Okay, that's a real ad that actually got people to do it. And it's like, I get it. Some people are gonna say, that's crazy, Tom, fuck you, like, we don't want that. I want this, I want. Want more energy like this. Where do people go that would respond to some shit like this? Like, I want these like hard ass guys that are like, yeah, I want to go to the moon. Fuck yeah. And do I get that we might die on the moon? Yes, a hundred percent. But this dude, if we pull this off, like we are going to be remembered forever. I love that shit, that adventurous spirit, the men who would set sail on the ocean, not knowing,

• 1:03:43Tom Bilyeu?

  dude, they didn't know if they were just gonna fall off the edge or if they were gonna get eaten by sea demons. And they still did it. Like, there's something in the human spirit like that that I find so like

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  I feel like Gen Z is not biting for this. They're like hazardous journeys, small wages, nah.

• 1:03:59Tom Bilyeu?

  I know, I'm with you.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  No cell phone service.

• 1:04:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's the thing, read it. The, the book is called Endurance, I believe. And it is so good when you read how long these guys were trapped. Spoiler alert for anybody who plans to read it. So Shackleton gets every one of these motherfuckers back alive.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:04:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, there, I think it was two years, two years trapped on the ice. Imagine that. Two years. And he had to like find ways basically to keep them from killing each other. And to keep them fed and eventually they like have to split up. So you've got to now leave the team behind to make sure they don't kill each other. And of course, you always have some asshole, right? So there was this guy in the group, everybody fucking hated. And so it's like, how do you get them all back safely? It is this incredible tale of leadership and endurance and people just like gutting it out. Oh my God, it's such a good story, man. It is such a good story. People need to read it.

• 1:05:02Tom Bilyeu?

  And it is nonfiction. This actually happened. It's wild.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Somebody said, would you rather do the Shackleton experiment or go dying Flanders? Which were the two choices back there. And Flanders two is like a World War One poem.

• 1:05:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Act. Yeah. I mean, what would I rather do? I'd probably rather do Shackleton's thing, but they were both rough.

• 1:05:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Rough.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  Sheesh.

• 1:05:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, watching your friends get their heads blown off, that one probably leaves a bit more trauma.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:31Tom Bilyeu?

  But I just can't imagine the desolation you would feel, never knowing if you're gonna make it. A level of cold, none of us understand.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Tom Bilyeu?

  That if you got wet, it was basically you were going to die.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Because there's, there's no drying you off.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Sheesh.

• 1:05:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, they spent effectively two years, like, slightly damp. And so, yeah, it, oh, God, the book is so good. You gotta, you gotta read it. That one will make you go, oh, I've never done anything hard in my life. Got it. Got it. Heard.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  I left this for the very, very, very, very end. Um, I know you're not a big sports person. Did you have any comment on?

• 1:06:06Tom Bilyeu?

  So I watched. Oh, yeah, so the Seahawks won, so my family was very happy. That's very exciting.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, I didn't watch it at all, but, um, I am excited that other people had fun. I was preparing for this episode right here, instead of watching the show. Uh, and the, I saw a little bit of the Bad Bunny thing, and I am aware of the sort of Bad Bunny V, um.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Turning Point.

• 1:06:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Turning Point USA halftime show.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Tom Bilyeu?

  So, but I don't know what the general vibe of like what people are saying. I saw a little bit of the Bad Bunny thing, obviously all ice all the time. So it's in terms of being controversial and getting attention, great play. I'm curious to know how fans of the NFL responded. It doesn't feel like their demo, so I can't figure out if they just have the demographic information that I don't, and so they know that they actually have a huge contingency of people that are really into that messaging, and so they loved it? Or if they're trying to push in that direction? Uh, that I don't know. That's a pure demographics question, because they're going to pander to their audience. So anybody who thinks that they ought not, like, they're either gonna pander to the audience they want, and that's how they're gonna draw them in. Uh, or they're gonna pander to the audience that they have.

• 1:07:21Tom Bilyeu?

  These are not like people who have some strong stance, I promise you. Did you watch the whole thing?

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  I did, I was locked in.

• 1:07:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Um. What'd you think of the Bad Bunny thing?

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  Uh, Bad Bunny thing was dope. I think that how he chronicled one, like, it was like a love letter to Puerto Rico, which I thought was just very specific. And how he chronicled all like the immigration jobs, kind of like slight, starting in like a crop field to a taco stand to a bodega. Um, had Pedro Pascal and all these like Latin X. And then when he shouted all the Latin countries. And then he said, God bless America and named every country in America, Central America, South America and North America. So I kind of liked the unifying aspect of it.

• 1:07:57Tom Bilyeu?

  What's the internet's response?

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  Um, numbers don't lie. A hundred and fifty-five million watched it. Five million watched Turning Point USA. Um, people who love Turning Point loved it. People who love Bad Bunny loved it. Um, I like two Bad Bunny songs. He played the two songs I like. So, eh, I was jamming. So.

• 1:08:15Tom Bilyeu?

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