#2436 - Whitney Cummings

Whitney Cummings is a comedian, actor, author, and host of the “Good for You” podcast. Her latest special, “Mouthy,” is streaming on YouTube. She also appears as a panelist on CBS’s “Hollywood Squares” and is touring in 2026.www.youtube.com/@whitneycummingshttps://punchup.live/whitneycummings/tickets#tour www.whitneycummings.comwww.cbs.com/shows/hollywood-squares/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. Join today at https://www.visible.com/ Athletic Brewing Co. Non-alcoholic Beer. Fit For All Times. Athletic Brewing Company LLC. Milford, CT and San Diego, CA. Near Beer <0.5% alc/vol. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 02

  But that's just for dice to hold.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he just holds on to them. Oh! And he holds on to them, then he swaps them out for a new one.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Was the unlit cigarette like the original fidget spinner?

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, most people don't do it because most people, when they have a cigarette in their hand, they want to light it. But dice has got the ability to just hold on to the cigarette.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Do you remember when candy cigarettes were a toy for kids?

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I had those.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  You don't?

• 0:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they were priming you.

• 0:45Speaker 02

  Totally, and they would poof, like, sugar would come out.

• 0:48Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't remember that.

• 0:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, you'd go, and like powdered sugar would come out.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Am I right, Jamie? Am I making that up?

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  I remember them just being like a candy that you suck on.

• 0:56Speaker 02

  Or was that just the cocaine my parents put on?

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was just a candy stick.

• 1:00Speaker 04

  Nice chalk stick.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  Maybe there was a different one. Maybe there's more than one kind of candy cigarette.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Couldn't you, there was like gummy cigars, I remember, and then the candy cigarettes. That must have been them just trying to get you addicted to just like the motion of it, or like participate with your parents or something.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was just a way to sell candy, but probably also engineered by the tobacco companies. That was back when they were lying about cigarettes being addictive, too, and causing cancer.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  They used to prescribe it to pregnant women, right?

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  They used to just prescribe it for kids with asthma.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Shit.

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Need to strengthen those lungs, that fella.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  And this is my favorite thing. Did they know? They already knew.

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they already knew.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  They already knew.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  Everybody had to know. You smoke cigarettes for a while, you start coughing up black shit, you feel terrible.

• 1:47Speaker 04

  According to the internet, this pack did have some sort of would-blow smoke, according to this person on Facebook.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:55Speaker 04

  But I remember a Play lighter or a lighter battery, so...

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  A battery?

• 1:59Speaker 04

  I don't know what that is.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Smoke that would suck on this battery?

• 2:03Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck?

• 2:04Speaker 02

  As kids, we would suck on actual batteries. We'd want to go...

• 2:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, remember when you lick them?

• 2:08Speaker 02

  We would just try to lick... Just the square one?

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the nine volts.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  We'd be in school, just like lick it, lick, lick.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we would lick it just to get a jolt in your tongue. Uh. Ooh.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  It is wild how like, like, yes, the phones are obviously very bad for kids, but when you think about the stuff we did as kids, I was just like, I would just hang out with a light socket for like two hours. It's all I needed, a paper clip, light socket, like.

• 2:30Joe Rogan?

  Light socket?

• 2:31Speaker 02

  Or like a, yeah, the, the.

• 2:33Joe Rogan?

  Electric socket?

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Electric socket.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  You would go into an electric socket with a paper clip?

• 2:38Speaker 02

  Did no one else do this?

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  That's really bad.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Did you inhale glue or no?

• 2:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I sniffed it.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Rubber cement? Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm like, okay.

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I used to love making models. I used to make like Godzilla models, you know, those, do you remember those models? Yeah, you had rubber cement glue, do you remember those?

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you would, I mean Elmer's too.

• 2:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  Peel it off your skin, we'd just put it on our skin and just peel it off.

• 2:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Just like a leprosy fetish or something?

• 3:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But the, uh, the rubber cement glue was a big one though. A lot of people sniffed glue.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  We used to have a glue gun, my mom had a glue gun.

• 3:10Joe Rogan?

  For what?

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Like a hot glue gun to glue cra- crafts, arts, crafts.

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Kill men, I don't know, when you, when you look back at shit your parents did, you're like, mm, what was that?

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  What were you interested in?

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Why did she have powdered gold and put it in coffee of the men she was dating? What was that? But like a glue gun, like there was just so much dangerous shit growing up. When I think about my like injuries as a kid, I'm like, yeah, I got burned on the glue gun. Everyone's like, huh?

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they weren't looking out for kids back then. Like, when did they start like worrying about dangerous toys?

• 3:40Speaker 02

  I, I mean, after like the 50th lawn dart, you know, aorta puncture.

• 3:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I remember the lawn darts, those are crazy.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  You're just throwing like.

• 3:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a fucking weapon and they were heavy. If they hit you in the head, you would die.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Dude, it was just like tetanus like.

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  Right in the heart? Let's, let's look this up. How many people do you think have died from lawn darts?

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Lawn darts.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  It has to be.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  By the way, way more than is reported, for sure.

• 4:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  I'm just putting this here so I don't.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  It has to be dozens.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  And seesaws.

• 4:09Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yeah.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  You remember seesaws? No seatbelt, no, just, just plywood with handles.

• 4:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, with a handle.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  But we would also, it's such a testament to our nature, because we would make it even more dangerous. Like, remember, like, you'd be on the seesaw, like, if you were up, I would, you'd like, jump off it.

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  To watch the kid.

• 4:26Joe Rogan?

  Just to watch the kid fucking plummet to the earth.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  So sadistic. Just careen to the ground.

• 4:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what is, uh, our sponsor, Perplexity, said, uh, pointed metal lawn darts were officially linked to three child deaths in the United States before they were banned. Just three?

• 4:41Speaker 02

  Definitely more than that.

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  Officially linked. From seventy-eight to eighty-six, approximately six thousand one hundred to six thousand seven hundred people were treated in US emergency rooms for lawn dart injuries, most of them children. Found lawn dart injuries led to a four percent case fatality rate in its patient sample with many severe head and eye injuries, with help, which helped justify the eventual ban.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  So only a couple, a cou- but mostly children. I would like to know the story of the adults.

• 5:10Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, people hit people with shovels.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  All the time.

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  I mean, like, like.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:15Joe Rogan?

  I guess it was because lawn darts are a toy.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:19Joe Rogan?

  That they had to ban it.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was a lot of that. Remember, um, what are they, pogo sticks?

• 5:24Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  I mean, those were so dangerous, when you think about it. They were just like, they were just like, always.

• 5:30Joe Rogan?

  They still have those, though.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Pogo sticks, those were hard to do.

• 5:32Speaker 04

  I also looked up the most dangerous toys for kids.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Trampolines, remember the ones with the metal coils?

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, did you ever see the Atomic Energy Lab in the nineteen fifties?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it actually had legitimate radioactive material.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  I love that they were like, you know what, guys, child labor, this is inhumane, this is wrong. Come, go, play with some toys. Here's a radioactive uranium bomb.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't Michio Kaku make a, some sort of a reactor in his basement or his backyard or something like that when he was a child?

• 6:04Speaker 04

  When he was in high school, I think.

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Legend.

• 6:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's like a legitimate scientist. But I mean, when he was a child, he made a fucking nuclear reactor in his backyard.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  I went to get um Nyquil or Sudafed the other day, and they made me show my ID.

• 6:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, because you can make meth with it.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Right, right, right, right. Sick.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, you get a prescription for Adderall. You just say you have ADHD.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  I don't even think you have to do that. You just have to be like, I'm bored.

• 6:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  I'm neurodivergent. Yeah.

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  Right. You mean, it's all self-diagnosed. You can't concentrate.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Are we gonna look back the way that we look at like, you know, the Nazis and go like, they were on meth? Are we gonna look back in like 20 years and be like, everyone was on meth?

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everyone's on Adderall, that's for damn sure. I mean, the amount of journalists that are on Adderall is off the charts. A friend of mine was telling me, like, all of his colleagues take Adderall.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

  To help them work.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:57Joe Rogan?

  Because they have so many projects that they're doing that require intense fucking research and they're...

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Googling, saying ChatGPT, please write my article for me? Did you see, I think it was the New York Times, or someone left in, Jamie, do you remember the prompt that ends the, you know, what it spits out on ChatGPT?

• 7:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  To prove that they had just copied and pasted it? Like, wild.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of shitty people in every walk of life. There's bad doctors, bad plumbers, bad journalists, but a lot of them are on Adderall. A lot of them are on speed.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  It's just that there's so much adrenaline out there to get. There's so many like natural ways, I feel like, to get that, you know?

• 7:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I don't think it covers you. And I think if you really want to like sit in front of that fucking computer and bang out words, it seems like Adderall's the way to go.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  But if you really do have ADD or whatever this is, like, I'm the first to say, like, what are all these diagnoses? But, because I was prescribed five milligrams slow-release Adderall to sleep.

• 7:59Joe Rogan?

  To sleep?

• 7:59Speaker 02

  If you actually have it, it calms you down. It doesn't amp you up.

• 8:02Joe Rogan?

  What is it? What is it? ADHD?

• 8:05Speaker 02

  The inability to focus, or the...

• 8:07Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that real?

• 8:07Speaker 02

  A busy brain, dude. I...

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Look, I just, I think a lot of our superpowers are being dulled. A lot of people with superpowers are being dulled by pharma and we're being pathologized for actually kind of extreme strengths, you know, in a lot of ways.

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• 11:21Speaker 02

  So...

• 11:22Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of legitimate people that are arguing that about ADHD.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Okay, good. I'm not like a...

• 11:27Joe Rogan?

  No, legitimate psychologists, neuroscientists. What it is, is you can't concentrate on things you're not interested in, but you can concentrate on things you're interested in heavily. People that supposedly have ADHD, they can play video games for fucking 10 hours a day.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  That's right. That's exactly right.

• 11:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, how come? Because it's exciting.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Oh, they can't sit in a classroom and watch some pedophile lecture them on fake history while they're getting hemorrhoids in some chair with shitty lighting above them? I mean, it's like, yeah, of course kids are bored. Of course they can't sit still.

• 12:00Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  I was reading about how Finland, they don't teach their kids to read until they're like 7, because it's better to have them develop their ability to focus first on the things they want to do. So by the time they do learn to read, they actually can focus.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like a terrible idea. You're gonna be so far behind my kids.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. I mean, look...

• 12:20Joe Rogan?

  Kids in America learn how to read when they're little babies.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  If at all. If at all.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  Like, I mean, yeah, that's the other thing. When it's like, don't teach kids to read, it's like, by that time, is Nerling just gonna learn to read for them? Who knows? It's interesting, like, having a kid now, I'm like, what do I, what world do I prepare them for? Do I even teach them Mandarin, or is that just gonna be like, remember when U2 just put a song on our phone?

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  It was so weird.

• 12:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was Apple's idea, and, you know, I talked to Bono about that, he was, you know, it was devastating for them. Cause all of a sudden, everyone hated U2. They used to love U2.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:52Joe Rogan?

  They had so many hits, they're so good, and then all of a sudden, fuck you, why are you on my phone?

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Isn't it interesting, the human nature of, I love something unless you force it on me?

• 13:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, it's just, people are always looking for a reason to complain. And if you have this song on your phone, right away, like, hey, fuck these guys.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  But also, I wanna hunt. Let me find it. Let me feel like I discovered something.

• 13:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think they just thought it would be a great way to promote this new album. And they just really didn't understand human nature.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  It's also, yeah, it used to be like, if you saw five billboards for something, you're like, I gotta see that movie. Now you see like five ads for it, and you're like, why are you trying so hard? Like, if it's good, I'll hear about it.

• 13:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I try to tell that to my friends, like, do not get overexposed. Like, there's a rea-, uh, I mean, I don't just say no to everything because I'm not interested in doing anything more.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:42Joe Rogan?

  But it's also because I'm clearly overexposed, and you gotta know when you're overexposed. But I have friends that like, they'll do every fucking interview that anybody asks, they'll do every project that comes up.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:52Joe Rogan?

  They never have any time, like, I gotta slow down. Like, yeah, you gotta slow down. Like, why are you doing all this shit? You're already wealthy.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:59Joe Rogan?

  Why are you doing this?

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Be a little mysterious.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  Live a fucking life.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, that's right.

• 14:04Joe Rogan?

  Live a life on top of what you're doing. Live an actual life. Don't wait until you're 60 and go, what did I do?

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Right. Even if it's for, if you need to justify it through workaholic purposes, like, it took me so long to get out of my workaholism. The first time I had to do it by, justifying it by going, I'll be better at my work if I have a life. Like, for art to imitate life, you have to have a life. That's how I'm gonna go get stories, that's how I'm gonna go, you know? I think especially as a comic now, there's a lot of funny people out there. I think if we've learned anything from memes and stuff, you're like, I don't, this guy just works at Best Buy, and who made this meme? This is hilarious, you know? I think in the beginning, a lot of it was like stolen from comics. Remember like, that fat Jewish, she didn't?

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Whatever happened to that guy?

• 14:45Speaker 02

  There was another one too, I don't know.

• 14:47Joe Rogan?

  But he was stealing memes, or he was stealing jokes?

• 14:50Speaker 02

  I think it was-

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  And turning them into memes?

• 14:52Speaker 02

  There was a couple where you would go like, "That's a Mitch Hedberg joke." Like, "That's definitely a Steven Wright joke," or Dimitri or something, but like Zach Galifianakis. Or it would be, um, lesser-known comics. You know, like, they'd go to a lesser-known comic feed, like, people that wrote for Fallon or Leno.

• 15:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  You know, and then-

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  Go to a showcase night at the store.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Or, like, get their tweets. You can just pull their tweets and change them a little bit.

• 15:14Joe Rogan?

  Whatever happened to that guy? Because he was hated. Boy, when he got started getting exposed, he was hated, and then he just kind of vanished.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  There was another-

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  He was huge for a while.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  There was another one, too. And I don't remember the name of it, um, that was doing the same exact thing.

• 15:28Joe Rogan?

  But the fat Jewish guy almost seemed like he was like a corporate-created entity.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  He had like a-

• 15:33Joe Rogan?

  Because he had the crazy hair, right? That weird fucking bun.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  He was like a slob, like, uh, uh, but he had like a wine.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, he sold it to Anheuser-Busch for millions of dollars, I don't know how much.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Wow, so he's-

• 15:45Joe Rogan?

  What did he sell?

• 15:46Speaker 04

  A ros- rosé, that's what it's called.

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  What is rosé?

• 15:49Speaker 04

  It's a type of wine, but that's actually what the, that's what the brand was called, the-

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no, I know what rosé is.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I was like, "Please slip that." That is the, like- My heart cannot take, bro.

• 15:59Speaker 04

  He made a rosé called rosé.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  What the fuck's rosé?

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  I know what rosé, the wine is.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  It's called Babe, I see that now. Rosé company called Babe.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so he sold his wine, and then he just like, "I'm out"?

• 16:09Speaker 04

  For millions, and now, yeah, it says he's about to open a bank.

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Where do I sign up?

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  Whatever, it must be hilarious if he's opening up a bank. Definitely didn't steal those jokes.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:18Joe Rogan?

  Most, most really hilarious people want to open a fucking bank.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  I love that he's just like, "I'm Jewish, what am I good at?" Just open a bank, like, what?

• 16:26Joe Rogan?

  When it turns out he's not even Jewish.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 16:29Joe Rogan?

  He's Baptist or something.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jews are like, "We're not fat, what is it, like, get your shit together." But also, yeah, that was so, uh, like, for a second there, I was like, "Joe, there's a chance he doesn't know what rosé is."

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, I know what that is.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  You know, like-

• 16:41Joe Rogan?

  I just thought it was a company.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  It's what, like, the Rainy Street Killer gives his victims before pushing them off.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Dude, your boy Brandon over here, I was like, "What's up with the Rainy Street Killer?" I always want the updates on the Austin serial killer who's pushing gay dudes off bridges. And he said, uh, he's like, "I think it's tech, tech guys. They come down from San Francisco during South by Southwest." And he strikes when it's like a tech conference.

• 17:02Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 17:03Speaker 02

  And he doesn't live here, yeah.

• 17:04Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to pretend that it's not really a serial killer. The cops want to say it's not really a serial killer. And like, how many guys have to drown before you start getting nervous?

• 17:14Speaker 02

  So, they're only gay, that, these guys?

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a gay neighborhood, that's the thing. Not all of Rainy Street, but there's a lot of like gay bars and gay spots on Rainy Street.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  How do the cops know the victims are gay?

• 17:29Joe Rogan?

  They smell them.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  They just check their assholes, they're like, "Hey, like, I fucked his, I fucked the corpse's asshole, he's gay."

• 17:37Joe Rogan?

  They bring a dilator.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  You know, I've seen that guy in Grindr, he is gay. That reminds me of, um, like the Nazi, it's been 10 minutes and I've brought up Nazis twice. The, that Nazis also killed gay people and like, I'm obsessed with how there were Nazis that had to find out who was gay.

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  So did Christians.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  Of course, it's in the Bible.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  To be like, "I just fucked these guys, they are gay, let's get them."

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  In the old days, in the Bible, if a man laith with another man, you're supposed to be put to death.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  That means like someone signed up to be like, "I'll do it, I'll, I'll investigate who's gay around here."

• 18:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is though, they were all gay.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:18Joe Rogan?

  That's the crazy thing, like, if you go back in history, guys were fucking each other all the time. The Spartans did it. They had a philosophy that you would defend your lover more. Because like, if you were fighting alongside a man that you loved, you would defend him more.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Was it love? Is that what love is?

• 18:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  I'm still trying to figure it out.

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's got their own definition for that, like, what is it?

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:41Joe Rogan?

  Love is mysterious.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. That's, that's wild, I always am like, "What are the things we're doing now that we're gonna look back in 50 years and be like, remember in 2006 when they were doing that?"

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  Trans surgeries?

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Hmm?

• 18:53Joe Rogan?

  100%, especially on children.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Also having phones 24/7.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Phones will be like cigarettes, will be like...

• 18:59Joe Rogan?

  No, no, it'll be in your body by then.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  It'll, it'll be fun. They'll, they'll be laughing, "Man, we used to have to carry your phone around."

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  Back in my day, you could leave your phone at a restaurant.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Right, remember when you couldn't just print from your mouth?

• 19:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Remember when you could find a phone and just make calls from it because there was no passwords? You found someone's flip phone, you just open that bitch up and start calling people.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  D'oh.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You'd have to shut your phone off. You'd have to go to the Verizon store and go, "Hey, shut my fucking phone off."

• 19:30Speaker 02

  And by then, it was just, it was over.

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the guy's been calling China. That was the other thing. You would have roaming charges. Do you remember those?

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yes. Also, remember when you lost your phone and that was it?

• 19:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  Now I can find my phone within my own house. It'll tell me what room it's in.

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, if I don't find my phone, I could just go to the Apple Store and my phone is in the cloud. And then instantaneously, I get a new phone that's the same phone as my old phone. With all my messages, all my notes, which is even more, my notes are more important than my messages because I keep so many material ideas in there.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  But you back them up.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

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• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  Terms apply. Limited time offer. Subject to change. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Yeah, that is, I do, not only do I back them up, but I use other apps as well. I use Evernote, I back them up.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I like Evernote. And Elephant was one I was using for a while. It's like same thing, like organi, helps like organize because you can also search like by keyword. You know, because sometimes, like I've, look. Mom brain, you know, is real. But I think it's kinda good. I think it's like a software update. It's like deleting shit I didn't need to be remembering anyway.

• 21:23Joe Rogan?

  That's a nice way of coping.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  You know, like my hippocampus was just full of some... I actually, in some ways, feel like you might be smarter if you forget half the shit you know, because half the shit we learned has been debunked anyway. Like, half of like, science and history, like, is not even... So me unknowing it might even make me smarter, like...

• 21:41Joe Rogan?

  Andrew Huberman was having a conversation with a professor at Stanford, and he said, "What percentage of what's in medical journals and what's taught in school is no longer applicable?" He said, "At least 50%."

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  At least 50% of the stuff that they were telling people. Look, they just turned the food pyramid upside down yesterday.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  It's crazy. The food pyramid, not only did it used to just be like, like, bran muffins, it was just...

• 22:09Joe Rogan?

  It was rice.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  It was like, bear claw. Like, what the fuck?

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you need spaghetti. That's number one. SpaghettiOs is at the base.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  It was so crazy.

• 22:17Joe Rogan?

  Gravy only slightly above that.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  And remember, they had just had a fish with like eyeballs, like, what? That's actually probably a good one now, but, um...

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  But at the top, you know, now, like, the littlest amount of stuff you're supposed to get is grains, and you're supposed to get meat and eggs at the bottom, which was always... I mean, look, there was a study that was, like, widely criticized fairly recently that labeled Fruit Loops as being healthier than ground beef.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  But who sponsored that study?

• 22:45Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing about all these things. It's like, who are these people, and can I see them naked?

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's it.

• 22:51Joe Rogan?

  Take your fucking clothes off. Let me see what you look like.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  That's my same thing about quotes. You know how we're in this quote culture, where you'll just like... And you probably don't have this in your algorithm, but it's like, inspiring quotes. And I'm like, I need to know who said it. I need to know who said it.

• 23:05Joe Rogan?

  A lot of times, it's fake. You'll see quotes attributed to Einstein.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 23:09Joe Rogan?

  And then I'll try to find out if it's real and it's not.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Right, right, right. But it's just sort of like, it's like...

• 23:13Joe Rogan?

  Slightly anti-Semitic quotes. You know, you're like, hmm.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 23:17Joe Rogan?

  Aristotle really say this?

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Right, right. The Stoics, yeah, like...

• 23:22Speaker 02

  I don't know, man. But, uh...

• 23:24Joe Rogan?

  There weren't even Jews back then. What the fuck is this guy talking about?

• 23:29Speaker 02

  I'm gonna unfollow Ari Shafir, once and for all. Um, but that, it said General Mills on it. It said GM on the side, when we were all looking at this pyramid, we knew that General Mills put this pyramid out.

• 23:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  And we didn't even think that there was a co- uh, conflict of interest there.

• 23:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, do you know how the whole Kellogg's, like, cereal thing came about?

• 23:49Speaker 02

  The Jerry Seinfeld movie?

• 23:50Joe Rogan?

  No, Kellogg's.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:52Joe Rogan?

  Do you, do you know, like, why he decided to make sh- like, these bland cereals?

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Why?

• 24:00Joe Rogan?

  To keep people from masturbating.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Sick.

• 24:02Joe Rogan?

  That was the whole idea behind it, to give people bland food, so that they wouldn't get aroused.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Is that what causes erections, asking for a friend?

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  Is that how I can get?

• 24:14Joe Rogan?

  The only way is spicy food. Yeah, spicy food, put it on your pussy.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Really?

• 24:18Joe Rogan?

  He's in.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Cause I remember the, the, the Seinfeld thing was the post, that was Pop-Tarts. So, this is how actual cereal was invented?

• 24:24Joe Rogan?

  Cereal, breakfast cereal, Kellogg's breakfast cereal, specifically, he was like some sort of a weird puritan. Hey, let's, let's look it up, because he had some really bizarre ideas. But, the primary idea was that if you feed kids bland food, it would stop them from being horny.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Kids?

• 24:45Joe Rogan?

  Kids.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Do kids get horny? I'm sorry.

• 24:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, hell yeah. Like, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen?

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay, got it, got it, teeny boys.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, as soon as the hormones start going.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  I remember being like, where is all this coming from? Like, you're all of a sudden horny, like, where you were never horny? And then all of a sudden, you're twelve, and it starts coming on, like a storm?

• 25:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:04Joe Rogan?

  And then you're thirteen, like, what the fuck is happening?

• 25:06Speaker 02

  And all your female teachers wanna fuck you.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  Ah, it depends if you live in Florida.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  They're all just letting you motorboat them between periods.

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  I think you made that wrong, Bobby.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is, you, once you have a kid, like, it really is, I feel so cliche, like, about the ways you change once you have a kid. Everyone warns you, and you're like, okay, okay. I mean, you really look at every authority figure around kids differently. Every teacher, every coach, you're just like, what are you, what are you in this for?

• 25:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  You're not in it for the money.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  You're getting paid nothing, you don't have kids to go to school, like, what are you up to, dude?

• 25:40Joe Rogan?

  Indoctrinating kids. Here it is. Bran flakes. No, Kellogg's bran flakes were not created to stop kids from getting horny. But the broader Kellogg's cereal story is tied to some very weird anti-sex ideas from the 19th to 20th century. Kellogg's bran flakes were introduced in 1915 as a high-fiber breakfast cereal marketed as a health food to aid digestion and promote better-for-you breakfasts. Where the sex myth comes from. John Harvey Kellogg, a physician and Seventh-day Adventist, there it is, did believe that bland, plain diets, especially cereal and nuts, could help reduce sexual desire and masturbation. And he pushed those ideas at his sanitarium. So what the fuck is the "no, it's a myth"? It's not a myth. This was his idea. He believed it and he sold that stuff.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  How can they say that's a myth?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Can you imagine how hard the publicists at Kellogg's are working?

• 26:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because-

• 26:32Speaker 02

  To make sure that's not on the internet.

• 26:34Joe Rogan?

  That's why it's listed saying that it's a myth. That's the only reason why perplexity is getting confused, because there's a bunch of propaganda saying it's not. All you have to do is look at the first thing. John Harvey Kellogg believed-

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  -that plain bland diets could help reduce sexual desire and masturbation. And he sold plain bland food.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  And back then cereal was pretty much just for kids. You can already assume that it's going to be targeted at kids.

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  These beliefs are most closely associated with early flake cereals like corn flakes and his general biological living health philosophy, not with bran flakes, whatever. So how true is the rumor? It is fair to say that some of Kellogg's early cereal experiments were influenced by his belief that plain foods could encourage sexual restraint. So it is a good rumor. So why are they saying that it's not, that it's a myth?

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Probably because I typed in bran instead of corn flakes and it's just-

• 27:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bran.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  There's four-

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  It was, it was the bland, bland, not, did you think I said bran?

• 27:29Speaker 04

  I mean, I typed in bran because I-

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  I meant bland.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  But bran is like a little bit more flavorful. I used to really like bran cereal.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  I love raisin bran.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  It's delicious.

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  Raisin bran is the bomb diggity.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  It's so filling, it's so good.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  Especially frosted raisin bran.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  Oh, got it.

• 27:46Joe Rogan?

  With the sugar, I would, and we would pour sugar on it too, because we always thought sugar just gave- Your cavities. Nobody thought it was killing you.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:53Joe Rogan?

  So he takes scoops of sugar and just throw it on those fucking raisin bran bowls.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Dude frosted flakes was my shits.

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I was a big Captain Crunch man myself.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Peanut butter?

• 28:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Oh, Captain. Captain.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Captain Crunch.

• 28:05Joe Rogan?

  Captain Crunch.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  We used to mix White Trash Till I Die, Apple Jacks with cinnamon toast crunch.

• 28:12Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, those are good ones.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Now what, RFK? Now what?

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you better let me keep having those. You know, I don't think you should ban those, man.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  I think like it's important to have restraint and to have the option to do something and then...

• 28:24Joe Rogan?

  How about have a little fucking discipline?

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Every... That's it. That's it.

• 28:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 28:28Joe Rogan?

  How about give me the Fruit Loops with the dye? I wanna look at pretty colors.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  I want my shit to be neon.

• 28:36Joe Rogan?

  I'm not gonna get cancer if I eat one bowl. Okay, shut up.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  That's the other thing. It's like the stress is the worst for us. So the stress about like, should I eat it, should I, is worse than just eating it.

• 28:44Joe Rogan?

  I was just talking to a friend who has suffered multiple heart attacks from stress. His doctor says there's nothing wrong with his arteries.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  And he's gotten these heart attacks because literally his, his body constricts. He's in like a very serious situation. And his body constricts so heavily that his arteries fucking close up and he has heart attacks.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  So what is the difference, but like between, cause I'm all about like good stress on your body, like exposing yourself to good stress and then bad stress? Your body knows the difference, right? Bad stress is gonna be like the cortisol and then good stress, that's like adrenaline, right?

• 29:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, no.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  I'm hoping you're gonna cut me off. Please cut me off.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  Hermetic effect. So the hermetic effect is like, there's an argument with certain foods, right? There's an argument against certain foods, like that they have phytochemicals in them. So what they have is like an actual toxin that discourages predation.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Right? But some of that is actually, has a hermetic effect and it's actually good for you. Like, uh, what's a good one? Uh, broccoli sprouts. You know, what does that have? Phosphoraph... What is it?

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  What is the word?

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  I can't remember the beneficial.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Photosynthesis.

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  No, photosynthesis is how they convert sunlight into food.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  So, but like when you're doing good stress, like exercise and.

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  Sulforaphane, is that what it is?

• 30:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you just said it as I was, I think that's the word.

• 30:15Joe Rogan?

  I think it's sulforaphane.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Is that it right on the screen?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Sulforaphane.

• 30:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sulforaphane, a plant compound formed when you chew or chop broccoli sprouts, which activates an enzyme that converts a precursor called glucoraphanin into sulforaphane. Broccoli sprouts have far higher levels of glucoraphanin. Glucoraphanin? And they mature broccoli, which is why they are such a concentrated source of sulforaphane.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  So you're eating the plant stress, that's.

• 30:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, plants do release chemicals. You want to hear a crazy one? This is really nuts. Plants are intelligent in some sort of a weird way. And one of the things they found is that if, like say if a giraffe is eating certain bushes.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:03Joe Rogan?

  Um, and they're, they're eating them upwind. And so the wind comes down and the other plants recognize that they're being consumed. And so they change their chemical profile to make them disgusting.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Starts tasting bad. Horses, same thing. Horses will all be grazing in one place and then they'll just pivot out of nowhere and you're like, what's going on? And they'll move to different grass.

• 31:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like the grass realizes that it's happening. Oh my God, it's a grass apocalypse.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  And like lets off some kind of, you know, acid or something.

• 31:30Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that nuts?

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 31:31Joe Rogan?

  So this is the argument against consuming plants that all the carnivore people use. Is that there's these chemicals, like find out what the chemicals they talk about. What are the chemicals that carnivore diet people think are dangerous from plants?

• 31:46Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 31:47Joe Rogan?

  And the idea is that plants can't defend themselves, they're stationary. And so what they do is they release things that make them disgusting.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  Got, got it. Makes sense. It is like.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  You know, after having, being pregnant, I kinda just surrendered to being like, what if I just ate what I craved? Like, let me just let my body wisdom or whatever, like, kinda go, you know? And it was sourdough bread, not regular bread, just sourdough, which I wonder if that's allowed on the pyramid.

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot better for you.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Right?

• 32:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Sour dough bread, eggs, and meat, no salad. Like, it made me nauseous to even think about salad. But maybe that was just my blood type, or whatever it was.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  My wife was really into frozen pizza rolls, those little disgusting things. I would buy them for her. I'm like, are you sure?

• 32:33Speaker 02

  That is a Texas bitch, like, through and through.

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  Carnivore diet advocates, advocates often argue that many common plant compounds are toxic or anti-nutrients that harm digestion hormones and/or nutrient absorption. Uh, carnivore influence usually group these under umbrella, anti-nutrients or plant defense chemicals. Oxalates is one for sure.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 32:55Joe Rogan?

  Oxalates is terrible for you, um, but the way to get around that is cooking them. So, like, this is like, I used to, I used to always drink, uh, kale smoothies. I used to take kale and throw it in there with garlic and ginger and drink a smoothie every day in the morning.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Then you left LA.

• 33:12Joe Rogan?

  No, I, I mean, I felt fine doing it. I never got kidney stones or anything like that. But then I, I started reading about oxalates, and then I had a bunch of people on that told me that you can get kidney stones. And I did actually get my blood work done, and it was high in oxalates. But also, that's from almonds. I eat a lot of, I used to eat a lot of almonds.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 33:29Joe Rogan?

  Lectins, grains, beans, nuts, there it is, promote leaky gut, autoimmunity, and general gut irritation. Uh, phytates, what is that? Uh, phytic acid, grains, legumes, and nuts, criticized for binding materials that, uh, and reducing their absorption. Tannins or other polyphenols described by some meat advocates as additional plant defenses that can inhibit nutrient absorption or act as pro-oxidants. But one of the things that I've heard from people that are pretty knowledgeable is that the issue might not be the actual plants itself. It might be pesticides.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  That's the other thing. That's, they'd say the worst thing you can eat at a restaurant anywhere is salads because it's just covered in pesticides. Like, I am washing my fruit and vegetables more than I wash my own body.

• 34:18Joe Rogan?

  See if this is true, because I read this, that 100% of all California wines tested positive for glyphosate.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  And in, out in Malibu, Raytheon. Because there was a Raytheon plant.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 34:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  And come, actually.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  Rocket Dine used to be in my neighborhood.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wonder if I got juiced up.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Remember when I went out and, before I had a kid and I was just fighting people over rescuing giraffes? I had an instinct to mother and I was just mothering everything except an actual baby, including giraffes. And the wine that was made up there at that place, Malibu Safari, had tested positive for Raytheon and people were getting sick.

• 34:57Joe Rogan?

  For Raytheon?

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 34:58Joe Rogan?

  How do you test positive for Raytheon?

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Like the Ray-

• 34:59Joe Rogan?

  I tested 10, but... Okay, they tested 10. And a 2016 investigation by ABC 7 News, Beyond Pesticides, reported that 10 out of 10 California wines tested positive for glyphosate. Whoa. That's nuts.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed with these sort of health and wellness sort of myths and where do they, like, wine's good, red wine's good for you. Like, what alcoholic, like, made that popular? Remember, it's like, it's got resveratrol, it's this. It's like, the amount you would need to get, the amount of resveratrol that would make a difference is, would kill your liver anyway, but like, dark chocolate's good for you, like, these things we just, like, latch on.

• 35:38Joe Rogan?

  I think dark chocolate is good for you, though.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Is it?

• 35:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's legit. I don't think wine is necessarily bad for you. I think alcohol's bad for you. But I think it also loosens you up.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 35:48Joe Rogan?

  And makes you happy, which is better for you than being sad. Depending on where you are, right? So if you were the group of people, like, you and I and a bunch of friends went out to dinner, we all had wine, we're laughing our asses off. That would probably be really good for you.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  And it removes a little bit of the ability to, and that was always my thing, like, I don't, I have three, three and a half years off pretty much anything, I mean, I was pregnant, I have a kid, like, you know, I gotta be focused, like, a toddler is just, like, suicidal, like, I'm, you know. But, uh, you know, I think with, at least I'll just speak for myself, my brain, a glass of wine, I'm just able to be present without going, is this a good joke? Which I write about, it just takes off that, like, sort of like, interior anthropologist narrative that is like, I always have to be categorizing things and filing things as jokes or cross-referencing things and, you know, filing things away for future stand-up.

• 36:35Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing, right, it's because you always need new jokes. It's like, you're always farming.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  And when you hear something that's like, oh, that'd be such a good premise, it's like, ah. You know, sometimes I'll just, like, do what you do, I'll put it in notes to just file it away, just so that I'm not thinking about it so much, but-

• 36:49Joe Rogan?

  That's the only thing that keeps me sane. Because if I don't do that, if I don't, it's gonna get away from me.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  Same.

• 36:55Joe Rogan?

  I have like, at least my family knows, like, sometimes I'll jump up from the dinner table and I have to run away because I know it's slippery.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:02Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, this idea is slippery. I'll be right back, I got an idea.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Let me just write it down, let me just write it down.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  I have to write it down and I come back and I don't tell them the idea because it's usually they're like, what?

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, trust me, it's gonna sound bad. No. Okay, Jews, Jews do run the meat, just let me, let me flesh it out, this idea about Jews and blacks. But yeah, as long as I'm able to write it down, then I can be present.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, then you know you saved it. Neil Brennan used to say that his joke book was basically like a net for catching ideas. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it. That's right, joe rogan dot com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website, like an AI-enhanced website builder, SEO optimization tools, and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links. Head to Squarespace dot com slash rogan for a free trial and when you are ready to launch, use the offer code ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

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• 38:49Speaker 02

  Love it. I have one.

• 38:50Joe Rogan?

  Great idea, great premise.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  The premise, I have a joke, like I'll write it down in my, like a notebook, but I'll of course leave it somewhere and it just looks like my suicide note. It's just like words, it's just like Kegels, you know, episiotomy, like it's just crazy words.

• 39:03Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  But, and that's the other thing that I think having a kid gave me that I didn't even know was possible, which is what I thought like weed or, you know, a glass of wine or whatever before was, I've always just been trying to figure out how to get present, like be in the present moment, you know? Um, which by the way, is there a biological basis for being in the present moment? Probably, it's probably, uh, you know, was, uh, you know, a detriment back in the day. You wanted to be like two steps ahead or this is what just happened and like eating that berry was bad. Like being in the present moment probably got you killed back then, but.

• 39:33Joe Rogan?

  That's what they think ADHD is about. It's about being a persistent hunter. We have a, a problem with the software that we're running and perhaps maybe the computer, so the last few episodes.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Jamie, please cut my audio. Reddit will love this episode.

• 39:48Joe Rogan?

  They don't love any of this.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  Just cut me out of it.

• 39:51Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of people I'd like to see naked.

• 39:56Joe Rogan?

  All of the negative Reddit commenters, like, you guys need to go outside.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Touch grass, babes. I, I look at those guys and I'm always just, guys, girls, whoever, like, I mean, I go on Reddit, but like.

• 40:06Joe Rogan?

  They're non-binary, all of them.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  I always think like, if we didn't get to do what we do, would we be doing that?

• 40:11Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent, I would. I always say that, like when people are like really mean to celebrities online in comments, I'm like, I would do that.

• 40:19Joe Rogan?

  One thousand, one million percent. If I was 16 years old and I had a fucking Twitter account.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  And they have a plane, yeah.

• 40:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck you.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  It's like, hey asshole, like, yeah.

• 40:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, I'd be going after everybody. I would 100% that was, especially if I get them to respond.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:34Joe Rogan?

  I'd be like, woo wee, I got him on the hook. Look at this.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  And then like Kimmel would like read negative comments on his show, like you can get on a show. Is which is by the way, what's happening with like crowd work, people come to shows now trying to get in a crowd work video. Just heckling and yelling.

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, especially if the someone is known for responding to hecklers.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Oh no, the first four rows are people that are like in hair and makeup, they have like hats on, like their tits are out, like they're ready with, they're like, hey bitch! And I'm like, I'm not filming this show, guys, sorry.

• 41:04Joe Rogan?

  People just wanna be a part of something.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Do you wanna know where I'm from? It's like, I don't, I don't care. I'm in Austin, I know you live, I don't give a shit.

• 41:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the weird thing about social media and the internet in general is that everyone has a voice now, which is great, and it's also terrible. It's both things. It's great because some people emerge from that voice, just like we were talking about memes. Some of the hardest laughs that I get during the day are these memes that anonymous people have created and someone sends me.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Same.

• 41:34Joe Rogan?

  And I'm like, ah! And then I send them to people, I don't know who the fuck made it.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  Can we pause one second again? It's now not recording the audio, even though we can hear everything. It just stopped all of a sudden.

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  Did it record any of what we just said? Cause that was fucking gold!

• 41:47Speaker 04

  No, it is still going, it is still going.

• 41:48Joe Rogan?

  That was gold!

• 41:49Speaker 04

  I'm gonna trust it, it's just not visually showing up, we'll trust it.

• 41:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Having a conversation about being in the present moment and being like, wait, you didn't record that?

• 41:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  I was being so present, damn it! I have to...

• 42:02Joe Rogan?

  It's, I, I think, you know, we're in this weird transitionary period where we have a new technology and that allows everyone to have a voice. And I think overall, it's very good, because you have more voices and it's just people have to discern what's a valuable voice and what's not. And, you know, that's where I tell people, don't read the fucking comments, it's not good for you. Because you're getting too many non-valuable voices, and if you've done a good job of curating your environment and curating your friend group, you've eliminated all these people that are really shitty and bitter and jealous and nasty and, and, and also like have no ability to look at themselves.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also like to all my, like I was just on, did Norman's podcast with Sam Rall and they were talking about the comments, and I was like, guys, like... I've said worse things to you than any of these comments.

• 42:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Like, we're comics. We all sit around and are so much meaner to each other.

• 42:57Joe Rogan?

  Of cour- meaner about other comics than are there? I know. Oh, God, we've said the worst shit ever.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Totally. It's just sort of like, nothing in this comment section is worse than what Tony Hinchcliffe just said to me on the phone. During a conversation. And you laughed. That's totally... I just talked to Tim Dillon for an hour. Like, I have no self-esteem left. Like, this is like a warm hug. Like, my comment section is where I go for compliments at this point.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes I forget that, when I'm hanging out with normies. You know, and I'll just drop a bomb.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, no. Same, same.

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  And you sit there looking at their face like, "What the fuck did you say?" I'm like, "I thought we were talking shit."

• 43:32Speaker 02

  No, I did that yesterday. I was checking into the hotel, and we're in Texas. My mom's from Texas, whatever, and this, uh, this dude that works there was wearing like, like cowboy boots. Like, solid cowboy boots. And I was like, "Oh, sick cowboy boots." I mean, like, they're just high heels for men, but like, cool that you guys call them like cowboy boots.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  And he was just like, and I was like, "Oh, you're gonna fight me." Like, this is not... I can say that to like Tony Hinchcliffe, because I'm always like, "Oh, you moved to Texas so that you could wear heels?" Like, so that you basically wear cowboy boots all the time?

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  He was going through a period of time where he's wearing nothing but cowboy hats and cowboy boots on stage.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Dude, and then like a Gucci, like, like, tracksuit.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  Like, name a person that, that knew less about what to do with their money than Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing he's doing now. He's wearing vests. He wears vests all the time. It's a thousand degrees outside.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Bulletproof vests after the, uh, he was at the Trump rally. Smart. The Puerto Ricans have guns, homie.

• 44:31Joe Rogan?

  The Puerto Ricans love him.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do. They really do.

• 44:34Joe Rogan?

  If there's any group of people that are great at talking shit, it's Puerto Ricans.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  It's like Jennifer Lopez, cut to her like crying, because she's like, "What are jokes?" Um, but yeah, I, I love...

• 44:42Joe Rogan?

  She doesn't count.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  So, I... Have you made your will?

• 44:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Okay. So, I'm making my will. What should be... As soon as you have a kid, they're like, "Make a will, or else your craziest family member is gonna like, get your son," you know? Which, and I have them. And, um, and I... Am I allowed to make a fun... I wanna make like a funny will? Like, I wanna give Brian Holtzman like, a million dollars. Just to see what he'll do. Just to look down from heaven and just see him with like, calf-

• 45:09Joe Rogan?

  He'd probably buy suspenders or something.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  Just calf implants. Like, just like- Like seeing what Tony did with his money, like watching all these comics. Like Bobby Lee, he just like shows up in like women's shoes. Like he'll just be in like, you know, those like Golden Goose sneakers? They're like $700. They're bedazzled.

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  He wears bedazzled sneakers?

• 45:27Speaker 02

  Well, they're like Golden Goose. Do you know these shoes?

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have a pair of Golden Goose.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they're like shimmery with like leopard.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I would, it's weird because Golden Goose, they come out worn out. Like you buy, I bought them in Aspen.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  You buy them worn out and everybody was really into it. I'm like, they're already pre-worn. Like this is weird.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  It's like when you did, like bought jeans with holes in them.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Like ahead of time, like pre.

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  I never did that, by the way.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:50Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not, that's a lie. I did it for a while and then I was like, what is wrong with me?

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I like holes in the, uh, uh, knees because you can move around more. Like that's actually useful. I'll always cut holes in them.

• 46:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you need to buy like stretchy jeans.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  You know what? I did start buying stretchy jeans and this is actually the worst thing I've done since becoming a mom. You just become such a dork, except your wife. Your wife is just like, she's like my hero. I'm like, how do you stay, why are you so hot? Like you're my mom, you're like allowed to just look like Rachel Maddow, but you do this. Like I need to get back on the horse because I started buying sweatpants that look like jeans. And I'm just like, what am I doing? Like it's just.

• 46:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a bunch of jeans like that that you can get now. What are those? Oh, they're called perfect jeans? Those are really good. I got a few pairs of those. I think that's what they're called, right? Perfect jeans?

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Like stretchy guys?

• 46:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those are great. Uh, Rev Town, Rev Town makes a great pair. They're great.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:43Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Barbell, Barbell jeans.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  They're nice. Yeah, they're made for people with big thighs.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:49Joe Rogan?

  Because my jeans wear out in the middle because my thighs are always rubbing together.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Right, right. Oh, like in the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  That's where they tear open.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  Wear out.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, uh.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  And I need to be stra, I need to, I can't wear something that I can't kick somebody in.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  But also, fuck, yes. Fuck.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  So good to be in Texas where the real men are. That's how they think. My fiance is like-

• 47:12Joe Rogan?

  I was thinking like that always.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  All your whole life. It's so funny. My fiance is like, he's just, you don't realize till you dated like very straight guy that you've only dated gay guys. Like, I always was like, oh, good, metrosexual. Like, my dude, my favorite thing to do is ask him what he's thinking about. Not like, what are you thinking about, like, hoping it's me or like our wedding or something? I'm just like fascinated. I'm on the edge of my seat. And it's usually like, if I could fight that guy.

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  Or the Roman Empire.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Roman- My god, dude.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Just like jerking off, thinking about tigers tearing apart criminals. Like, what about the Roman Empire exactly? That's so crazy when you think about it. I mean, didn't species go extinct?

• 47:53Joe Rogan?

  Because of the Roman Empire?

• 47:55Speaker 02

  Because of the Colosseum fights.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe that's true. I've never heard that.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  When I did like a tour of it, they said that, but I'm sure they were just trying to-

• 48:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're trying to juice you up. Well, let's find out.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Even if they did, how could they prove it? I guess it's-

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, they don't really, there's a lot of like speculation that's probably erroneous about why certain animals went extinct, including woolly mammoths.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Also, there's a lot of animals out there that maybe you guys can't find. We don't-

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  We don't know. Like, oh, okay, not to bring up California, but have you seen this doomsday fish?

• 48:26Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 48:27Speaker 02

  It's a fish that only appears when an earthquake's about to happen.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, great.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  And they're coming up around Monterey in California. It's like, it's like a syringe with fins.

• 48:37Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 48:38Speaker 02

  You know these like fish at the bottom, bottom of the ocean that we-

• 48:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and they're getting away from the bottom because they feel like that it's coming?

• 48:44Speaker 02

  They're like coming up to the surface or seeing-

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  I've never heard of this before.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  But my brain also goes like, maybe they've been around and you just haven't seen them, but-

• 48:51Joe Rogan?

  That's true. It's not like we have cameras down there 24/7.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  At all times, yeah.

• 48:56Joe Rogan?

  Colosseum animal fights did not clearly drive any species to global extinction, but they did help wipe out or severely reduce some regional populations and subspecies. Like what? Beast hunts killed animals on a huge scale. Ancient sources described thousands of animals killed in single festivals and tens of thousands over imperial reigns. Modern historians argue that- This sustained demand contributed to local or regional disappearances, especially when combined with hunting, habitat loss, and warfare. Well, that, like, just what they did in America with market hunting.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:31Joe Rogan?

  They almost wiped out everything.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:33Joe Rogan?

  In, uh, America. Because no one had ice, right? So you had to get meat every day. So they wiped out almost all deer. They wiped out elk from, elk used to be in all 50 states, and now they're only in a few. They wiped out almost all of them.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  And, this is fascinating to me, that, just the Roman Coliseum thing, because I think that my brain always does, whenever it's like, can you believe people in the comments are trashing Sabrina Carper, or whatever, it's like, yeah, people used to go watch, you know, people have their limbs torn apart by lions, and sit there and like cheer, and suggest, they would yell out how to kill people, like that, you know?

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  They would go watch at the town square, people get hanged, like, this is right on time.

• 50:14Joe Rogan?

  They'd watch people have sword fights.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  This is the most humane version of publicly shaming people we've done thus far.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  It's just like, you suck, like, that's like the, that's-

• 50:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, it just hurts your feelings.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, and it only hurts your feelings if you read it.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  But I also don't think anyone has only made a comment on Joe Rogan's, or only on mine. I don't think it's like just personal.

• 50:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's probably one schizophrenic person that just concentrates on you.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, no, I have many of those, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  But, there, there's, most people are just-

• 50:40Speaker 02

  But I don't think they're normal with everyone else, and then, you know.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the argument that some people have that I completely disagree with, that you should, it should be your name, everyone should know who's posting that, and that you shouldn't be allowed to post anonymously. My problem with that is that eliminates all whistleblowing.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Oh, good point.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're working at some defense contractor, and you know they're, they're doing something horrible, or whatever, you're working for some oil company and you know they're doing something evil. No, you can't, you can't have completely anonymous, I mean, you can't have, uh, only, like, recognized accounts where you know the exact person who's posting things, because sometimes you need to have anonymous sources.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  But also, it's, you know, essentially, like, I'm always, uh, interested in, you know, finding the, um- Like, a quantumist, uh, real-life version of something digital, so it's like, negative things in the comments section, that's like being at a football game and someone being like, "Tom Brady, you suck."

• 51:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  He obviously doesn't suck.

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  You're wearing a-

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  You're wearing a Patriots jersey, like, you obviously love them, you're just like, being an idiot, you know? It's kinda like-

• 51:46Joe Rogan?

  How about UFC fans? Some of them are the worst. They're like, "He's a pussy."

• 51:50Speaker 02

  Is he?

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  He fights for a living.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  He fights in his underwear, barefoot, in a fucking cage for a living-

• 51:58Speaker 02

  That's right, that's right.

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  And you're calling him a pussy.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  That's right. People, I mean, and also, think about what it would take for you to stop and leave a shitty comment. You would have to be in such a dark, dark place to like, need to just like, throw a stray at someone, and like, I like to think of it as like, a weird service, and maybe this is just me trying to like, sublimate it into something positive, 'cause like, being a female comedian on the internet's like, pretty wild, and um, it's like, I signed up to make people happy, or make people laugh, or give people some kind of escape from their life, and if you hating me or saying some mean shit gives you like, a hit, like, great. I don't think I came into comedy being like, "Everyone has to love me." Like, that-

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  It's not possible.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  People hate Chappelle. It's literally not possible.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  The people I know that take the biggest risks, and that, you know, are polarizing. Like, I think the most interesting comics are polarizing, so if everyone liked me, I'd probably be pretty boring, and-

• 52:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a few people that don't take risks that are hilarious, that aren't polarizing at all, like Nate Bargatze-

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:53Joe Rogan?

  Or Gaffigan, but-

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Sebastian.

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  Sebastian, but Gaffigan got really polarizing when he went political. A lot of people got mad at him for that.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 53:01Joe Rogan?

  But I think he was drunk.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting. He did a, uh-

• 53:05Joe Rogan?

  I'm pretty sure he was drunk. He likes to throw 'em back, and they get real mad.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  Was he doing a line, though? Wasn't he like, doing a line? Or was he doing it live?

• 53:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he was on Twitter.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Oh, he was on Twitter, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

  During the Trump election.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  That's right, I remember, I remember.

• 53:18Joe Rogan?

  He went crazy, and he lost like, a giant chunk of fans. People turned on him.

• 53:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, he's the Hot Pockets guy.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 53:25Joe Rogan?

  And he's like involved in politics.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  It's interesting, wouldn't that, that kinda, I think that as a comic, like it's, you know, and you do something sort of different here, but I never, you know, to take a side just feels so weird. It just feels so bizarre. Because I think it's really our job to be able to defend the indefensible, just even as an exercise and to, you know, to be able to deeply believe that two things can be true at once.

• 53:50Joe Rogan?

  I think it's the opposite of what wokeness do with animals. So with wokeness, with animals, they're like, "Adopt, don't shop." I think with your ideas, you should shop around. Don't adopt. Don't adopt like all the ideas that the left has, or all the ideas that the right has. Shop around.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  Also, breeders are bad, so rescue a dog from a breeder, if you need to.

• 54:15Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, some, look, breeders are bad, right? Okay. I have the best fucking dog in the world, and he came from a breeder.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Some are good, some are bad, some rescues are good, some, some of the worst people on earth are animal rescue people. Some of the worst people on earth work in charities, you know?

• 54:30Joe Rogan?

  That's a fact.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  That's a fact.

• 54:32Joe Rogan?

  That's a fact. Did you see the data about the LA fire money and where it went?

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Did you see the data of the whole, what was it? How many billion was supposed to be spent on homelessness removal?

• 54:44Joe Rogan?

  Twenty-four. Twenty-four billion. Unaccounted for.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  I'm not even mad, just tell me where it is. How do you even hide that much money?

• 54:50Joe Rogan?

  They don't even know. They literally don't know. But I, I wanna show you this. Did I ever send it to you, Jamie? I, I know I saved it, because it's so crazy.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  It was like there was a concert, it was like...

• 55:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a hundred million dollars, but where it went is, it literally, absolutely nuts. I'm gonna find it.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Oh, and Jamie, did you find that doomsday fish? I just wanna make sure.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  I saw an article about it from twenty, a couple of years ago, that said it shows up when, on an earthquake.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Doomsday fish? Yeah, there was one up in Monterey, they said, that came...

• 55:23Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed with the fish that we don't know about.

• 55:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I just sent it to you, Jamie. So, the House Judiciary Committee released a report on the LA Fire Aid concert. Among the findings, Fire Aid was used, I mean, this is gonna, I'm sorry.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't know why I'm coughing. Fire Aid was used for activities such as voter participation initiatives, podcasts, they give a hundred thousand dollars to podcasters. Approximately five hundred fifty thousand dollars in donations went to organizations involved in political advocacy.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Well, that's money laundering. That's just money laundering.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  Five hundred fifty thousand dollars out of a hundred million. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars was directed towards programs benefiting undocumented immigrants. Look at this. A hundred thousand dollars to podcasters. I want to know who the fuck the podcasters were that got a hundred grand.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are you talking about?

• 56:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, what does that mean? Like, did they prevent fires with that money? Five hundred thousand dollars was used to cover salaries, bonuses. Imagine you got a bonus because there was a fire. Consultant fees for nonprofit organizations.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  But if it's a nonprofit, why are you giving it money to profit?

• 56:28Joe Rogan?

  And why are you giving them bonuses? Half a million dollars. Okay, many worthy nonprofits did receive grants that were used to support victims. This report provides lessons for the distribution of, or the disbursement, rather, of any remaining Fire Aid funds. Go down lower, because it keeps going.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  It's a good racket. Everyone I know that works with a charity has like two houses, like, good for them, because they don't have to pay taxes either.

• 56:49Joe Rogan?

  There's, sorry, there's more where they laid all this stuff out. So, this is Kevin Kiley, who is, what is his congressman, from California? So, he's outlining this, because he tried to look it up. It's fucking crazy.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  But, I mean, some of that is fucking criminal. This one drives me nuts. Organizations involved in political advocacy, half a fucking million dollars.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Why is anyone advocating for politics? Like, what does that even mean?

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  It's just stealing money.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  That's right. That's just money laundering. That's all that is.

• 57:24Joe Rogan?

  That's just stealing money.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  Wait, fungus planting projects, what?

• 57:28Speaker 02

  To plant fungus.

• 57:30Joe Rogan?

  Fungus planting policy, what?

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Fungus planting projects.

• 57:34Joe Rogan?

  They're growing mushrooms.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Growing weed, yeah.

• 57:37Joe Rogan?

  The best way to keep people from doing this, man.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  This is what it is, dude. It's like literally like, uh, everyone that's pissed that their house caught on fire, take these mushrooms. And you will realize materialism doesn't...

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  It's all bullshit, man. You're part of the universe, man.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  We're all connected. Like, if someone else has a house, you have a house too, like...

• 57:55Joe Rogan?

  This is the universe telling you to get the fuck out of here.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  I mean, it is like, a lot to process. I mean, there's a point where you're kinda like, my brain goes like, when there's nothing you can do about it, you're like, what do I do? Like, do I just get mad? Do I just look away? Do I become the person that's retweeting shit and just being that person? Like, you know, the things we have to kinda just decide with our economy of bandwidth, what to be outraged about. And maybe this is it. The idea is like, we'll throw so much at you that you'll just get exhausted. And...

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• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:39Joe Rogan?

  Ecosystem.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  But also, they're like, we know we're gonna get away with this. Like, I just love.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  But they're not, because this guy, the congressman is looking it up, it's gonna, they're, they're definitely gonna talk about it. It's gonna be a problem for these people. It's gonna be a problem during reelection, and it's supposed to be. They're monsters. These people are evil. They're really evil. Like, what they're doing is stealing money from people that decided they were gonna donate money because they thought it was a worthy cause, and it wasn't a worthy cause.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  And also, when those fires happened, the idea that it was like, donate, it's like, well, you were just in a fire zone too. We pay enough taxes in California to not have to have charities to donate to fire victims.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? They, charities are such a scam because it's like, well, no, this is where our taxes should be going to stuff. We shouldn't have to have these charities where people are donating money to help peo- they don't have money either.

• 1:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a scam, and when you find out where the money actually goes, that's when it becomes a scam, when you find out that the vast amount, like, if you have a hundred million dollars that gets donated to legitimate charity, it's very likely that only thirty percent or less is going to the actual cause.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  And that person doesn't pay taxes on top of that, because the charity's a tax write-off. So, my taxes aren't going to pay for that cause, and then you're not paying taxes anyway, and then I have to give you extra money. It's just like, it's just such a, charity culture is just such a bizarre, does every country have this charity culture?

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Well, our charity culture is really weird.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Because of USAID. Because USAID, everybody thought of as like, oh, it's aid. We're giving aid to all these other countries. That's important. People are gonna starve.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  And then you realize, like, oh, no, it's not US aid, it's US Agency for International Development. So, a lot of it is about overthrowing foreign governments, a lot of it is about funding these NGOs that are supposedly nonprofit, but people extract the money out of them.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Like, what's your definition of aid?

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. A lot of it is money laundering. It's so much, Mike Benz is the guy to follow on that. And Mike Benz is like, he's gone deep, deep into all this shit. And uncovered in insane way. He said that USAID is for things that are too dirty for the CIA. When it's too dirty for the CIA, they send it off to a non-government organization. That's an NGO. So an NGO can do things that the government can't do legally. So they'll go and use this money in a way that our government can't do it. But it's our government's money. So it's your tax dollars go to do things that the government's not allowed to do. And the government just does it that way through an NGO. And people profit massively.

• 1:02:16Joe Rogan?

  And money is just flowing around and no one knows where it goes. Like the $24 billion that went to the homeless problem in California where it only got worse.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  I don't even get how you hide that much money. I don't even get how you launder and hide. I mean, that's like-

• 1:02:27Joe Rogan?

  It just shows you how crazy scams are in this country. We're learning that out about the Somali daycare thing.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, the Minnesota thing, yeah.

• 1:02:33Joe Rogan?

  But that's just one part of it. The Somali daycares in Minnesota is the tip of the iceberg. California is way bigger. So people are digging into the problems in California now. And they're saying, no, no, no, whatever you thought the fraud was. There was a guy that was running a daycare, a bunch of daycares. He had no one-

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Already a red flag.

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  In California, no one at his organization, no kids, pulled up in a fucking Rolls Royce when they were investigating him. A Rolls Royce.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Couldn't even just get a Lexus.

• 1:03:01Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  They can't, they can't just be cool. It's like Dane Cook's brother or whatever who stole from him, like pulled up in like a Bugatti. It's like you couldn't just-

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  It was like something, I think, something crazy. Like you couldn't have just got an Acura.

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  That's when he found out that his brother was stealing from him?

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  I think it was like a car that pulled up. It's like, I know what I pay.

• 1:03:17Joe Rogan?

  I know what, what car that sunk Dane Cook's brother. By the way, he got out of jail and the money's still missing.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Stop.

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was a ton of money that they never recovered. He might have hit it in a coffee can.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  There's some real rich hookers in Pensacola, I'll tell you what.

• 1:03:32Joe Rogan?

  He might have blown through all of it, but I'm pretty sure, I mean, you'd have to ask Dane.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  But I'm pretty sure that a lot of the money was unrecovered.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  He donated it to the LA fire victim. Uh, yeah, it's like, people that steal like that, like, it's like, um, from what I understand, it's like, kind of a gambling addiction too. It's like, I got away with this, like, you get this invincibility complex of like, and now I can get away with this. And then you just get in over your head and you show up one day in a fucking, you know, Ferrari and I'm like, huh?

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see that, um, documentary, The Seven Five?

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:01Joe Rogan?

  The Seven Five is all about the 75th precinct in New York and how corrupt it was. It's a really good documentary. I had the guy who was the main guy, Mi- uh, Michael Dowd, who was a, who was a corrupt cop.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:04:12Joe Rogan?

  I had him on the podcast.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 1:04:14Joe Rogan?

  And he explained it. He said, the first day of, I mean, if you watch the documentary, first day working, they threw a guy out of a building and killed him. And he was like, shut the fuck up. Like, y- you know, you know what you saw, now you didn't see shit, right? And I'm like, yeah, I didn't see shit. Like, they killed a guy on his first day on the job. And he's like, okay, this is, this is, I guess, what we do.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  And so he was selling drugs, robbing drug dealers, and showed up at work with a Corvette. He had a

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  brand new badass Corvette.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Keep the Corvette under a blanket and just drive a Honda to work. Like, you could have gotten away with this forever.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Get an old pickup truck, stupid.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  I love that shit, dude. I fucking love it so much.

• 1:05:01Joe Rogan?

  This guy shows up at his fucking daycare in a Rolls Royce.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  It was like the Wild Ball Country guy. He could have got away with that forever, but it was like the 56, like, bedazzled Rolls Royce. Everyone was like, I don't know, man. Yeah.

• 1:05:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he had a bunch of Rolls Royces.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  But God told me I should have these. Like, huh? I don't know.

• 1:05:18Joe Rogan?

  But the people

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:20Joe Rogan?

  are retarded. That is one of the greatest things ever. By the people, for the people. And the pause.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:05:29Joe Rogan?

  But the people are retarded.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Tough ditties.

• 1:05:34Joe Rogan?

  So, so it's for the retarded, but, so, look at this. Forty-two point one million, this is the guy.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  He's trying to cover the car with his body?

• 1:05:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is, pull, pull back and let's, let's hear what he says in the beginning of this, cause

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  I mean, with all that money, maybe buy some Ozempic too, homie.

• 1:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Ah, he's eating good. Let me hear what he says.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  Ever since Nick Shirley has done his reporting in Minnesota, we have Iranian daycare centers in California. Over here we have 1412 South Crescent Heights, Creative Toad's and Academy. Nobody has come in or out of this facility in nine months. Every window is just boarded up.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, because no one in LA has kids.

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Look at this Rolls Royce!

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  The way the door opens is so fun.

• 1:06:23Speaker 00

  That's assault. Don't touch me.

• 1:06:25Joe Rogan?

  This looks fake.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  It really does.

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  It looks fake as shit. It looks fake as shit. This looks like completely staged. There's just the way he walks up and grabs the car. When you saw people with cameras and you've got a convertible Rolls Royce parked...

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  You would turn around, I think. You would just turn around, me.

• 1:06:39Joe Rogan?

  It's just too convenient. There's no one there. Why is he there with the car?

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  He parks right out front.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  That looks fake.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  He's not wearing any brands. That's usually a thing too.

• 1:06:47Joe Rogan?

  There's something, my mind registered his face when he started talking.

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, is that the guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. So it's fake.

• 1:06:58Joe Rogan?

  So I just spread...

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  That was like a staged reenactment or something?

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's horseshit. Yeah!

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  This is like when I repost videos where people have like seven fingers and I'm like, "Oh."

• 1:07:08Joe Rogan?

  It's just bad acting. I saw his face. I saw his face and I'm like, "This guy's a bad actor." This is like a Hallmark special.

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  Well, when he took off the golf hat, like Douchebag or Vance, like before to start his thing, that was...

• 1:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's just engagement fun.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Why are you wearing a suit? Why are you wearing a suit here?

• 1:07:24Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, people are sending that to me like it's real. There it is.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  That thing?

• 1:07:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  But it's based...

• 1:07:28Joe Rogan?

  They want it to be real.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. And by the way, you get to a point with real and fake where you're just like, "It might as well be." You know? It might as well be.

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  But that guy, you could tell his face was fake. He's like, "What?"

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  "How'd you get me?"

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  "Get out of here. This is private property."

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  The push was a little bitch for someone who was about to lose everything, like... The camera work was pretty good, too.

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  It's just, he's just being silly.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:50Joe Rogan?

  But there's always, there's a lot of that, too. That's a problem. It's just like, we live in a strange world. And no one investigated where all this money was going in the past. No one investigated...

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  You couldn't. How could you?

• 1:08:03Joe Rogan?

  One of the things that Elon said to me, he said Medicaid fraud is the biggest amount of money that's fraudulent in this country. And he didn't want to even talk about it because he was worried that people would kill him. That's what he said on the podcast. He goes, "I could go into this, but they'll kill me."

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  That's like someone saying they have something they didn't have to get the catastrophe insurance thing. Cause like I had a-

• 1:08:25Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of that.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, like my dad had a stroke and you get like, it was stolen by a family member. The fraud is within my family, but-

• 1:08:32Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  That, yeah, that you get like 20 grand, Medicaid Part B, I want to say. If you have like a stroke, it's called a catastrophic event. They'll just like give you like 20 grand or something.

• 1:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Is it like that? You like fake that or something and then get that money type of thing?

• 1:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Oy.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Is that like what-

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Is it to fake a stroke? No, what it is is, well, here's the daycare thing, like that's part of it. You know, and then there's a bunch of people that don't exist that are getting Medicaid money.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then there's autism diagnoses, right? So they self-diagnose as autism, they open up an autism center. They have a bunch of kids in the autism center, they get money for those kids. There's no autism, there's no kids, it's all fake.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Right, right, right, right, right.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  There's also like, there's these fake scams where there was one that they uncovered in Minnesota, where they were supposedly feeding an exorbitant amount of children and there was no kids. No one was going there, but they were saying they were feeding like 5,000 people a day.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  They didn't even have the capacity to feed 5,000 people a day, there's no food coming in there. But you know, the thing is-

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  The American dream, dude.

• 1:09:34Joe Rogan?

  The politicians, the politicians were getting so much money from these people.

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Just from the Somali community that owned daycare centers. The Minnesota politicians were getting 35 million dollars last year.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Is that, is Tim Walz to blame for that? I don't, I don't know.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, he just stepped down from his reelection, that's not good. That's not good when you were almost the Vice President of the United States.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  You know how many people came at me? People that I'm like, thought I was friends with, like acquaintances, more maybe, but I now realize they were acquaintances. When I made fun of Tim Walz for going to China so many times, like, which, let me not get this wrong. It's definitely more than 10, more than 10 or something, that Tim Walz just like went to China to go, like, which is, you know, if you're gonna have gone to China that many times and then run to be the Vice President, why wouldn't you, why would you hide it, number one? Why wouldn't you lead with it as like, "This is one of our enemies, I've been, I know the language." Like, why wouldn't you either lean into it, make it, "I'm an expert on it and this is one of our big issues." Like, the fact that we all pretended that he wasn't going to China. First of all, on what salary are you going to China every year?

• 1:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Was he a politician when he was doing this?

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  What's your miles program?

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, I could see if you were a businessman.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  He was a teacher.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  He was a teacher?

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  He was going with kids. He was taking kids to China.

• 1:10:50Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, doesn't that make sense, though, that you're taking kids on an international trip so they can learn about the world?

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  Only China.

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's his area of expertise. I'm trying to like-

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  But why not lead with it?

• 1:11:01Joe Rogan?

  Trying to steel man it.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  I know, me too. I do the same, where I'm like, why doesn't he go with, I've been to China 35 times. I took kids there so they could learn Mandarin because they're gonna have to interface with China later during business. Like, it was just like this thing where it's when someone else tries to hide something, something that I wouldn't have thought was untoward. I'm like, well, hold on. Now it's weird.

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  And why can't I ask a question about it? Whenever I would say, how many times did you go to China? Everyone's like, what? What? And I'm like-

• 1:11:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the crazy one. When the, all the Somali daycare center came out, he started blaming white men for all the crime.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  What about white men? Well, he's white men with all the crime. He's trying this, that playbook, the woke playbook.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  What about me? I'm the criminal. I'm a white guy.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  That's really what he's saying.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  He's telling on himself, right then and there.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

  What I mean, he was basically trying to say that it's racist. But it's not. Facts aren't racist.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's just clever. Just if the, what, if they did it themselves.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Mm.

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  You know, if they did it themselves, if they were the ones that were perpetrating the fraud.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  The real problem is, if they didn't do it themselves, who helped them fill out all those forms? Who helped them organize this?

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:05Joe Rogan?

  And is this a money laundering thing?

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:12:07Joe Rogan?

  And are they filtering this money into other people's accounts? Are they filtering into offshore accounts? Because supposedly, here's another one. Supposedly, they were sending money, like, on a regular basis back to Somalia, and they were catching them at TSA in Minnesota.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  See if that's true, Jamie.

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  It's a lot. It's a lot, you guys. I mean, it's, it's, you know, I guess the, also, the other question is, when all this is going on, I'm like, do I focus on this? Or like, are we going to war? Like, you know?

• 1:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can only focus on so much.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Because that's the thing about the internet. If you want to get outraged, it's there to feed you.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:12:47Joe Rogan?

  All day long.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  And then, once you click on something, they're just going to keep feeding you more and more of that. And I'm sort of like, is this as big of a story as my algorithm is telling me it is? Because I remember, you know, and this is, I think, why it's like more important than ever to be onstage as much as possible, to just corroborate like a premise, to make sure that everyone even is aware of it, given our little echo chambers and stuff. But remember when Kamala Harris was like giving speeches that it kind of seemed like she was shitfaced? Like, it just, it sort of seemed like she was like slurring words or something. Those were, you know, that would, and I was like doing this joke about it before the election. It was like, you know, like, maybe this is what we need. Like, what's scarier than a, you know, alcoholic woman with no kids? You know?

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  Like, she can just be calling up like Putin in the middle of the night, like, hey, fuck it. Like, she's just, you know? And I was doing it, it was doing well, everyone got it. And then, I was somewhere in like New York City, I think it was, and no one had seen that video. People were like, what are you talking? No one had seen, had any awareness of that. And I was, it was kind of bone chilling. Because I'm like, eat.

• 1:13:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's probably exhausted, right?

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Here's the other thing. You're, you're running around, you're doing so much. You're campaigning, you're constantly doing, if you catch me and I'm really tired, I sound like I'm on pills.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm fucking, I don't know. And you're probably a little casual about everything because you're doing something, you're repeating the same things over and over again.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:15Joe Rogan?

  Going to these places, you're fucking completely exhausted. Or you're coming off of whatever they put you on to get you up.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Totally. Yeah, adrenaline and, you know. It's also, I think that they're used to, there was this old way of doing things where you could say the same thing on every platform and no one would.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

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• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  Cut it all together and sure you know.

• 1:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that's it. Okay, here it is. I found it. I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie, because this is apparently a legitimate source.

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  I'm looking up the main source they said they got it from. It said Homeland Security officials told us, a source called Just the News. So I've never, I'm just looking up.

• 1:16:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the TSA.

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what it says. Yeah, "Federal probe, hundreds of millions of dollars inspected, small cash and leaving Minneapolis airport." It says that this is the source of this story. So I was just trying to.

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  Find out if it's a legit source.

• 1:16:42Speaker 04

  What they were told and.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  For sure that money didn't just stay in the community. Especially if they didn't have the ability to organize this and develop this scam, someone else helped them, and those people were getting money from it. So how were they getting the money? Were they getting the money in cash? Was it being sent and wired to offshore accounts? Like, how are they doing it? It's clear that there's so much money missing. It's in the billions now. It's bigger than the entire GDP of Somalia, just from Minnesota, allegedly.

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  The entire GDP of a country, one state's fraud is supposedly, over the course of, you know, X amount of days that they did this.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  And is it true that the guy that uncovered it was kind of like some guy?

• 1:17:28Joe Rogan?

  This Nick Shirley kid?

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, this like internet. Good for him.

• 1:17:32Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, there's the other question, like, did someone direct him towards this? Is this like, you know what I'm saying? Is this like, did the Republicans set this up to try to expose it?

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Is it him just being an independent journalist? He seems like a very smart kid. I've seen him, he was on Patrick Bet-David's show.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:52Joe Rogan?

  He's a virgin.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  Why do we, why do we, why did he, why do we know that?

• 1:17:55Joe Rogan?

  Because he's religious. He talked about it. He said he was a virgin. He said they can't get him on anything. He can't get me on sexual assault, I'm a virgin. You can't get me on anything.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  We can get you on being a virgin, you weirdo.

• 1:18:06Joe Rogan?

  Transportation Sec, uh, Sec, Security Administration flagged nearly $700 million in cash detected in passengers' luggage leaving the Minneapolis airport in the last two years. That's crazy.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  That's probably it, yeah.

• 1:18:20Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. A massive, massive cash exodus believed to be tied to Somali immigrants and their money couriers. Homeland Security officials told Just the News.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:18:30Joe Rogan?

  So who's the Homeland Security official, though?

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  I was reading through it. That first statement doesn't say like, all, all the flat, it's, sorry, let me start this over. Some of these were a million dollars and it says that they were legally declared every time they did it.

• 1:18:43Joe Rogan?

  Right, but you could legally declare it if it was cleared by whoever the fuck is involved in this fraud, right? So if you're donating $35 million last year, just last year in 2025 to Democratic politicians from these Somali daycares, which I believe is true.

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  I was trying to look that up and couldn't find out.

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  Bundles of cash in luggage, some as much as a million dollars in a single trip, raised suspicions.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:08Speaker 04

  This is the part, I don't, that does, I was like, taking each statement as, it doesn't say that those were each, like, that's particular one was a Somali person. That could have been someone going to Vegas, could have been someone going to buy a house. I don't know, like I'm saying that all 335 million.

• 1:19:21Joe Rogan?

  Nobody buys a house with a million dollars in cash.

• 1:19:23Speaker 04

  I'm not saying they did, I'm just saying, but it could have been anybody.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Couldn't have been buying a Bugatti.

• 1:19:26Speaker 04

  Could have been a poker player going to the World Series of Poker, you know.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  Dane Cook's brother.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  I'm just sort of saying, to be, I don't know.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Tony Hinchcliffe going to the cowboy boots store.

• 1:19:36Speaker 04

  It's conflating a bunch of stuff together.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, what is justthenews.com? Is that a legitimate organization?

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  I pulled it up.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  Is that a far-right organization? Let's look at their side articles and we'll get a view of what their perspective is.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  Is that what you do, look at the trending ones?

• 1:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Make that a little larger, let's see what they... Trump Orders Government to Buy $200 Billion in Mortgage Bonds to Lower Rates. That's pro-right wing. CDC Misled the Public with Study Implying Covid Vaccines Save Healthy Kids. UCLA Expert Warns, also right wing. USC's Is Another Sanctioned Oil Tanker in the Caribbean. Sanctioned oil tanker, not just oil tanker, they were sanctioned, right wing. Maduro's Ouster Leaves China Holding the Bag on Oil Investments, right wing, right?

• 1:20:21Speaker 02

  Also, what's a UCLA expert? You mean doctor?

• 1:20:24Joe Rogan?

  The top one, comrade, no, no, larger. Comrade, singham to face House subpoena as his CCP-tied network reveals, or leads rather, renewed anti-Ice protests. So it seems like this is a very right wing, is just the news, seems like at least, see, just the news, no noise.

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and House fails to override Trump veto.

• 1:20:47Speaker 04

  This statement, we just said Minnesota travelers alone, I was like, well, that could be anybody from Minnesota then.

• 1:20:51Joe Rogan?

  Minneapolis travelers alone had $342.37 million in their luggage in 2024. That's a lot of money! Okay, let's find this out. So Minnesota travelers alone had $342.37 million in their luggage in 2024. So let's put into perplexity, how much money did California travelers have in their luggage in 2024?

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  How many Bitcoin did California travelers have in their assholes?

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  California travelers have in their luggage in 2024.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  But who puts the-

• 1:21:25Joe Rogan?

  At the TSA.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  But does anyone ever measure your money when you go through or count it?

• 1:21:30Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  You're supposed to declare, I think if you have more than 10 grand.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  But we lie. Everyone lies.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  I know, I know, I know.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 1:21:35Speaker 04

  That's what they said, but these were all, you know.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  But if I went through with a thousand dollars, they never would know, or is it?

• 1:21:42Joe Rogan?

  So the amount cannot be determined from available data TSA and regulated agencies track only limited categories such as unclaimed money at checkpoint or certain cash seizures. And these figures are nationwide rather than specific California travelers or all money carried in their luggage. Okay. So how do they know that about Minnesota?

• 1:22:02Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  It's coming from one source. That's why I was like, why did they only tell one source? Why wouldn't they have told all the, like, why wouldn't they call Fox? Why wouldn't they call CNN?

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:08Speaker 04

  Why we didn't tell everybody?

• 1:22:09Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's this one very right-leaning website, right? It appears right-leaning.

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  How do they ascertain cash someone's carrying through a, I mean-

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  The Tennessee Star has it as well.

• 1:22:20Speaker 04

  They were just reporting the same article.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  From just the news. Right. So that's another way that you can distribute propaganda. You have one source and then you send that source out and a bunch of other people repeat it and said, "As reported by this one website," and that one website might be bullshit.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  I also like to look at the ads that are on the surrounding-

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  Bullets.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  The article. Exactly. If it's like gun safe, I'm like, this is right-wing. If it's like tampons for men, I'm like, I think this is a left-wing one. Okay, got it. That always kind of helps. That's wild. I have a family member who works in like, kind of banking and I'm like, what's up with this oil? What's up with the China buying up all the silver? What are we doing? Did you see the doomsday plane?

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  What's the doomsday plane?

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  The doomsday plane that, I mean, could just be a psyop, but it's the doomsday plane. I think it went to California, the one that is in case of a nuclear event. It can hold, stay in the sky for a couple of days and-

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  Sell free fuel. Oh, damn. It's made my nipples hard just looking at it. It's gorgeous.

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Doomsday plane?

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  Jamie, can you pull up this doomsday plane so people listening don't think I'm Roseanne?

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Doomsday, Trump's doomsday E4B plane sighted in Washington and Los Angeles days after Maduro captured.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  But get that pretty picture up of it. I mean, that, it looks just...

• 1:23:41Joe Rogan?

  That's a terrible picture.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that just looks like a...

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  How is that the only picture?

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that looks...

• 1:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's them sighting it. But go back to the art...

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  Ah, look at this thing.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. That's the doomsday plane?

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  I don't know if it's that. Isn't that the top one?

• 1:23:51Joe Rogan?

  They're all different.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  With the blue stripe?

• 1:23:53Joe Rogan?

  That's, wait a minute, they're all different.

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  This is when they're selling it from Northrop Grumman, so anybody can buy it, and then you get it on America's logos on it.

• 1:24:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it's also different in the way it's built. Look at the top of it. Is that the escape pod at the very top where they pop off and go to Mars?

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  It's similar.

• 1:24:09Joe Rogan?

  Inside the doomsday plane. Okay, so what it, go back to the article, what is the, well, put it into perplexity. What is the capacity of the United States doomsday E4B plane? Like, what does it do?

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  It can like stay in the air for a couple days, it can refuel itself.

• 1:24:27Joe Rogan?

  What is the capacity of the doomsday plane the United States has?

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  It's chock full of cocaine, ketamine.

• 1:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Elon made sure it's got ketamine on it.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  Mushrooms, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay, it accommodate a little over 100 people with typical published figures ranging from about 108 mission crew up to roughly 111 to 112 total passengers, uh, total personnel, including flight crew and staff, and official media descriptions usually summarized as seating for around 110 people. What can it do? Okay, endurance, look at that. What's the maximum endurance? Click on that.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  No, this thing is like a beast.

• 1:25:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:25:11Speaker 04

  They're gonna give us one answer at a time.

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  It can stay alive for 150 hours.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  Oh, that's it?

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, that's not much. With sources describing capabilities from roughly 72 hours up to about a week in sustained operations. So it can fly for a week?

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:27Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Cause it can self-fuel, it can fuel in the air.

• 1:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Keep it up, please. And then, how long can it stay with aerial refueling? This is what I think you were getting at.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:38Joe Rogan?

  It can theoretically remain airborne for several days, limited mainly by crew fatigue and maintenance needs rather than fuel. Multiple sources describe realistic endurance of roughly three to seven days of continuous flight under sustained operations when supported by tankers and rotation of crew. So, here's the thing. If it is a doomsday scenario and you're up in the air for five days, that's just like, that just means you're gonna die in five days.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:26:03Joe Rogan?

  What's the...

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  Or do you just pull this out as a message to everybody? You know, because you would only need this if there was a nuclear event, right? So it's the idea to just go like, hey, what just happened in, you know, Venezuela? Just, just so you guys know we're flying this thing around. You know?

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  When's the last time it flew? When's the last time it made a cameo? Also, I don't, I mean, I know we were texting about the, um, the Delta extraction and like, I would never want to, um, I mean, watching the video of the Delta extraction, how they, of, uh, Maduro, they built like a replica of the building and were blindfolded, like, going through it, you know, practicing it and stuff, but it, it, it... I was talking to your guy when we were coming over. It could have been pre-negotiated, right? There is a chance that that could have been pre-negotiated.

• 1:26:53Joe Rogan?

  They killed 80 of his security team. I don't think it was negotiated.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, probably not.

• 1:26:59Joe Rogan?

  Here's one funny one.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  But it is weird that his wife was there. I guess that was like a thing a couple of people flagged.

• 1:27:04Joe Rogan?

  What, that they kidnapped her?

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  Just that she was there and involved, yeah.

• 1:27:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's his wife.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  One of the funny ones was somebody posted on Twitter, uh, a photograph of this woman and her children, and she's, and the journalist said, uh, this woman and her children, her husband and their father was killed in the US raid in Venezuela. And then everybody was like, right. What was he there for? What was he doing there?

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:32Joe Rogan?

  Was he a fucking mercenary? Like, what was he doing?

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  You know? He was Cuban, apparently. Cause there was a lot of Cuban defense that they used, that Maduro used. For whatever reason, I guess communists love each other.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:46Joe Rogan?

  They hang out with each other, other dictators, like, hey, let me borrow some of your guys.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, the guy might have been a mercenary. There was certainly mercenaries working for him. I mean, he had eighty people died that were there protecting him.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  They just fucking stormed in. They didn't lose a single US servicemember.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  Why, so sick.

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  I mean, just like flawless.

• 1:28:08Joe Rogan?

  Other dictators gotta be like, fuck.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know they could do that.

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  I mean, is that why Iran, was that why Iran was like, now's the time? Like to...

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, the people are cracking down. The people are out in the streets now, but now, apparently, the Islamic regime is assassinating people that are protesting now.

• 1:28:26Speaker 02

  And your boy, this is where Elon really shines. Like, you know, bringing Starlink over to a country that has cut off wifi.

• 1:28:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:28:36Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's what they do. They cut off wifi so these people can't organize.

• 1:28:39Speaker 02

  I think it's also been cut off for them. I mean, I don't, I think they've had a limited version of it for so long.

• 1:28:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, they definitely killed people who protest. They killed a gold medalist in the Olympics. They killed a guy who was a wrestler, gold medalist, because the UFC tried to get involved and keep this guy from being assassinated. They killed him.

• 1:28:54Speaker 02

  You've seen like pictures and like video of Iran in like the seventies and stuff? Crazy.

• 1:29:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we did that. Yeah, we did that because they wanted to nationalize their oil. We were like, nah, playa.

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Nah, nah. Oh, hell nah, brah.

• 1:29:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they had a democratic society. It is entirely because of the intelligence agencies. We went over there and, you know, you could find the story. Find the story, so I don't butcher it. But essentially, the Shah was like, hey, um, why is the British Petroleum Company, or whatever it was, why are they making all the money?

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  We'll nationalize our oil. And he was gone, you know, within days.

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  And they put in the Islamic regime, and it has been a religious state ever since then. I mean, that's, that's our doing, or the British Oil Company and us, multiple different people. And essentially, it was all just about his oil.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Or the country's oil, rather.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  But Maduro, like, he was gonna be torn limb to limb at some point, right?

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, he had a bounty on him by the Biden administration. This is one thing that people need to understand. It wasn't just the Trump administration.

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  The Hunter Biden?

• 1:30:06Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  That's who to send in.

• 1:30:08Joe Rogan?

  He had his own administration. He's smoking crack. Kill him! He's ruining my crack! No, the Biden administration had a bounty on Maduro. They had, I believe it was 20 million or 22 million.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Um, trying to get people to off that guy. So, it wasn't like we're the only ones that think he was a bad guy. They were trying to use money to get people to kill that guy.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  And, uh, besides the oil of it all, like, were they gonna allow China and Russia to put, like, use it, like, to put missiles there?

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  China was there negotiating with Maduro the day the US came and kidnapped him.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Bad move, homie.

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  They came in that day and were having meetings with Maduro, and that night, they snatched him out of his bed.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  You think to, uh, get oil or to put nuclear, uh, sites?

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  100% to get oil.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:55Joe Rogan?

  They want that oil. Everybody wants that oil.

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  Uh, it's so funny, like, when I'm, eh, you know, having a kid, you know, the way that it changes you, but like, bef- the things you focus on, the things you're obsessed with that keep you up at night, like, before I had a kid, it was like, is he gonna text me back? Now I'm like obsessed with like finite resources. And like, where's all the helium? Like, we're, we're running out of helium, like, where's the oil?

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  What's helium for, besides balloons?

• 1:31:16Speaker 02

  Um, uh, hilarious, yeah. I won't be able to have a birthday party for my son. It's...

• 1:31:23Speaker 02

  What are clowns gonna do? Uh, no, it's, uh, for, uh, ventilators, although I think we found the ventilators actually...

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  In COVID, they killed people.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Armed people. But I think it's like ventilators and medical stuff, like, you know, helium is finite. Like, there's only a certain amount, and we kinda just use it for like the Macy's Day Parade for like... Floats and shit. Um, but I think that there is actually a lot of helium in Texas, maybe Oklahoma, and then Qatar is like the other place that it.

• 1:31:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  We have it, but we have a limited supply of helium.

• 1:31:51Joe Rogan?

  I never even thought about helium before, except the comedy clubs.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  Don't get me started on sand, oh.

• 1:31:55Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to Philly.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, helium, Philly, awesome club. Also, um, sand, I think.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, what's the story behind Iran and the nationalization of their oil?

• 1:32:04Speaker 04

  Well, that's, I mean, that's a, that's a longer story.

• 1:32:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:32:07Speaker 04

  Back to the fifties and seventies.

• 1:32:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, but when we did it, because we definitely were involved, the US was involved in overthrowing the legitimate government of Iran.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

• 1:32:18Joe Rogan?

  Putting, putting the Ayatollah in. And then they, they ruined the entire country because Iranian women are fucking hot.

• 1:32:25Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:25Joe Rogan?

  They are beautiful.

• 1:32:27Speaker 02

  And smart as shit. I truly, every, my, uh, OB who like saved me and my son's life during childbirth, like just Iranian bitches do not play around.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  They make great wrestlers too.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Do they?

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  Initially tried to mediate between Britain and Iran during the nineteen fifty-one nationalization crisis, but then moved to help overturn Iran's elected government to reverse the consequences of the nationalizations. All about oil. Nineteen fifty-three, US officials helped organize the coup that removed Prime Minister Mohammed, how do you say that word? Masadeg? Masadeg? I don't know how to say that word.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  I'm gonna leave you out on a cliff on this one.

• 1:33:02Joe Rogan?

  Whose rise had been closely tied to the nationalization of Iranian oil. In March nineteen fifty-one, Iran's parliament, uh, voted to nationalize the assets of British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, responding to longstanding grievances over low royalties and foreign control. That's it. Nationalist leader became prime minister soon after and made implementation of nationalization central to his program.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  So, under President Truman, the US generally opposed the idea of full nationalization in principle, but didn't want Iran pushed to the collapse or move toward the Soviet Union. Washington sent envoys such as, oh, so they wanted to keep it away from the Soviet Union, so they turned it into Islamic regime.

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

  George McGee and W. Avril Harriman to seek a compromise that would preserve Western access to oil while accepting some changes to the existing concession. Okay. Coup would reversal in fifty-one, fifty-three, under President Eisenhower, US Central Intelligence Agency, work, there it is. Working with Britain's MI6, carried out Operation Ajax, covert operation to overthrow Mas, whatever you say his name is, Masadeh.

• 1:34:12Speaker 02

  Masadeh.

• 1:34:13Joe Rogan?

  And strengthen the Shah's rule. The coup removed the government most associated with oil nationalization and paved the way in nineteen fifty-four for an international oil consortium in which five major US oil companies, along with British and other firms, gained significant stakes in Iranian oil, ending exclusive British control. That's it. We did it.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  So fascinated by.

• 1:34:36Joe Rogan?

  We ruined it.

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  There was this TV show on, I think National Geographic, I want to say, called A Little Light or A Small Light, that was about like what was going on with, you know, in the Holocaust. Like, it was slow, it was slow. It wasn't just like one day, they just got, you know, it was like they, you know, slowly started, you know, seizing art and then, you know, not letting them get jobs, like how these gradual things happen, like to go from the seventies of like the women out in bathing suits on the, to, like, there's women that were, you know, that had enjoyed the freedom and then, all of a sudden, had to, like, it's just so fascinating that, like, how gradual it is.

• 1:35:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  And how you get to send.

• 1:35:18Joe Rogan?

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• 1:36:03Joe Rogan?

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• 1:36:47Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:18Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't realize they're boiling until it's too late.

• 1:37:21Speaker 02

  Or you do know what's happening.

• 1:37:23Joe Rogan?

  And that's what's happening right now in New York City.

• 1:37:24Speaker 02

  But he said he would stop the carriage horses, so I'm all for it.

• 1:37:29Joe Rogan?

  I'm kind of down with that.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:37:31Joe Rogan?

  I think that's fucked up.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  That's disgusting.

• 1:37:33Joe Rogan?

  Those horses do not need to be wandering around New York City sniffing fucking brake dust.

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  It's disgusting.

• 1:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Carrying assholes around.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  It's disgusting. I mean, it's, you know, you know me and my like horse thing, but it's, it's so disgusting and you know, the amount, it's like, nobody knows how many elephants kill their trainers a year and how many, you know, all kinds of crazy, we saw the orca kill the trainer, you know, but stuff like that happens so often and they just cover it up. But the amount of carriage horses, a couple of them got out and we've seen them get out and we've seen them collapse and all this horrific stuff. And something else is going on with it, which is... And look, I'm the first person to say like, New York was really safe when the mafia was,

• 1:38:14Speaker 02

  you know, kinda like there's that documentary about how they would sort of protect people in the subways and you sort of would fill in where the government couldn't. But there's something going on with the horse carriage business. A horse got out, who was 29 years old, Archie was his name.

• 1:38:27Joe Rogan?

  29?

• 1:38:28Speaker 02

  29.

• 1:38:28Joe Rogan?

  That's old for a horse.

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it only had a couple more years. And I tried to negotiate with them, got a bunch of friends that have like FU money and basically said, "You're gonna get $38,000 cash." This was a horse that's pretty much done.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  Cash, we'll take the horse in the middle of the night, no social media, nothing, and they said no. The amount of money they're making is so insane.

• 1:38:51Joe Rogan?

  From horse-drawn carriages?

• 1:38:52Speaker 02

  It's mostly tourists, honestly.

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  They make that much money from horse-drawn carriages?

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  Tons, tons, from other countries, of people that have different ideas of animal, respect towards animals than we do.

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's mostly foreigners riding in the horse-drawn carriages?

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think it's a-

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  I've seen a lot of white people in those countries.

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  Oh, really? Well, Polish people can be white, Russian, white.

• 1:39:10Joe Rogan?

  A lot of silly, goofy fucks.

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe that. Yeah, fair.

• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  "Oh, we're in a horse, it's so romantic, we're out in the air and..."

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  Dude-

• 1:39:18Joe Rogan?

  "Clop, clop, clop, clop, clop."

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  It'd be so much sicker, I pitched them like, "Do robot horses, like sick, dinosaurs, do like a dinosaur trolley ride or something around the city, that'd be so much-

• 1:39:28Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, I sent you that thing about the lady that's now in charge of housing in New York, this is wild. This one's what, she wants to like, kill real estate value, that's her idea.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Like, she wants to, literally to make housing more affordable, she wants to kill real estate value.

• 1:39:46Speaker 02

  It's an inelastic good, you can't-

• 1:39:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's, it's moronic thinking.

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  Oh, this woman.

• 1:39:51Joe Rogan?

  Listen to this lady, listen to this.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  And she has like a million dollar house?

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Her mom does.

• 1:39:54Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, of course-

• 1:39:56Speaker 06

  In which, the housing is owned by a collective and people are paying 40% of their income in order to live in their housing. If your income is zero, you pay zero. If your income is $500,000 a year, you're paying 30% of that. And the government is providing the sort of, the government is the sort of- Owner, or not even the owner, the government doesn't have to be the owner, but the government is what's making sure all of that sort of works and cash flows.

• 1:40:21Speaker 07

  The debt to GDP ratio right now is the highest since World War II. So how can the federal government also afford to start subsidizing rental housing costs?

• 1:40:32Speaker 06

  The federal government needs money. The federal government can provide money for that.

• 1:40:36Speaker 07

  So it's by printing money?

• 1:40:38Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:40:39Joe Rogan?

  That's her idea. Print money. The federal government, print money to provide housing, jack up interest rates, jack up the fucking debt, print money to provide housing, and everyone pays 30% for housing.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  First of all, why are you talking to me in a hoodie?

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  What, like, what mental illness is that? Like, how dare you?

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Look at her face.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  First of all, you look like powder. You look like, yeah, like, first of all,

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  The movie Powder with her eyebrows.

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  First of all, get a blowout, throw some mascara. Like, we're, are we professionals anymore? You're in a Costco hoodie and a t-shirt. Like, what are we doing?

• 1:41:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, you've seen, they've confronted her about these ideas, and she breaks down crying.

• 1:41:20Speaker 02

  But she didn't even know what she's saying. She's like, well, sort of, like, she was kind of...

• 1:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, we won't own it.

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  Her training was UCB. Like, she's just improvising an idea. No, the government does that. She's not even making eye contact. Like, damn.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of these wokeness, they come from rich families. They feel

• 1:41:35Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  bad about being privileged.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  And one specifically thing that she said that was gonna really impact white people.

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  What is fascinating about that is that because I think she believes she's coming from the moral high ground, I think this is what's really sort of, it is someone who I feel like is similar to you, and then I'm like, I was as liberal, I, I had blue hair, you guys.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I remember when you had blue hair.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  I rescue pit bulls. Like, it doesn't get any more liberal than me. Like, it doesn't get any more. But the whole idea with being liberal is like, you had me at, we're not racist, everyone's equal.

• 1:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  But, you know, diversity, but then it turns into diversity.

• 1:42:15Joe Rogan?

  Communism.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  Diversity, but not diversity of thought.

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Not, right? The hypocrisy of it got, and I think that as comics, we're people who... You know, I may not be an expert in politics, but I'm an expert on hypocrisy. When you grow up around alcoholics who say, "I love you," and then their behavior is incongruous, you study, you look for patterns of hypocrisy. That's just what we're wired to do. So it just started to just be like, "Hold on, you know, we don't believe in gender, but we need a female president." You're like, huh? And then it's like, "My body, my choice." Unless it's a baby that needs a vaccine for hepatitis B, which comes from butt sex. Like, what are you, right?

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  And sharing needles.

• 1:42:53Speaker 02

  And sharing needles. And then, you know, we believe in climate change, and sea is rising, but we live on the coast. Like, would you buy a house on the beach if you truly believed that the seas are, you know? We believe in recycling, but why can't you give Andrew Yang another shot? Like, why won't you give, where did Beto go? Remember Beto O'Rourke?

• 1:43:12Joe Rogan?

  That guy was a mess.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  But he, but any more so than?

• 1:43:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, he's a mess.

• 1:43:17Speaker 02

  How, like, worse than?

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  No. I mean, they're all a mess. Like, when you have these blanket progressive ideas, you've attached yourself to an ideology, and that ideology you'll defend because it's your identity. It's you. It's who you are.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  But didn't, he, he at least seemed, you know, I didn't know that much about what, from what I knew, he made a joke about his wife taking care of the kids, and the left was like, "You're sexist and hate women." It was like, this, but what I saw with her was this idea of, "I'm so moral that I don't even have to make a good argument." And the left started, stopped making an argument, or even outlining what, they're just, "Well, no, I'm moral and I'm better than you, and I don't have to even make an argument."

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, that, I mean, I don't know when she gave that interview. So let's suppose she gave that interview a long time ago, before she had this job, and she was just saying, "This is what ideally I would like." And then she gets the job, right? And now when she's, what is her official job?

• 1:44:15Speaker 04

  The 2021 was the interview.

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 1:44:18Speaker 04

  And she's been, the Office of, Office to Protect Tenants.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  So was she working for that office back then?

• 1:44:24Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. She would have been, I think, on Mondami's, I don't even know if he was running, he wouldn't have been running back in 2021, would he? Right?

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, she definitely was doing podcasts with him back then.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  Well, she definitely just got out of SoulCycle in this video, and...

• 1:44:38Speaker 04

  But, yeah, I don't know what her actual position was back at the time. She might have just been on his campaign and I don't...

• 1:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so this was Reason, and they were having this conversation with her?

• 1:44:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  And so to lead the city's office to protect tenants? Look, there's definitely slumlords. You should definitely protect tenants. There's definitely shitty owners and landlords.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  She's basically saying government housing.

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but what she's saying is crazy. Like, taking 30% of whatever you make. That's nuts. So if you make a billion dollars a year, if you're Elon Musk or whoever it is, you have to make 30%?

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:12Joe Rogan?

  That's bananas.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  The thing about New York, and maybe this is, you know, and I don't even know what's, you know, side anything, an idea makes anybody on anymore. Sometimes I'll say something and people will be like, "Oh, so you're like alt-left?" And I'm like, "I don't know. I just thought that was a good idea." Or then people will be like, "Oh, so you're like, super conservative." I'm like, "No."

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Adopt, don't shop.

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you got it.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  Or shop, don't adopt.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  And so, New York is expensive. That's the deal. If you don't have, you can't... I remember one time going to Howard Stern's house. And Howard Stern is, he's got more money than the guy. And it was like, still, and he was able to get two, buy two floors of a, but it's still like, an apartment. You know what I mean? It's like, New York, this is what, whatever, a hundred million dollars, whatever, gets you in New York? Like, still not that big. Like, my horse is stable. Yeah, my horse is stable is like, twice the size of this.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  But if you want to live in the city for convenience, that's what it costs.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And if you're Jeffrey Epstein, somebody donates you a house.

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  That's right. Or an office on the Harvard campus.

• 1:46:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  I love it when people that are professors at Harvard, or like, I was a professor at Harvard, like, "Well, so Epstein had an office too." But like, okay, I feel like, it's just like, New York's supposed to be expensive. That's the deal, you know? And, you know, I had a place there for like, a year. I remember I was in, like, Chelsea area. And, because I just want to go back and forth. I was like, trying, there's something about New York that does really put a fire under your ass. Like, I remember, you know, actually it was Dice, back in the day. I used to just ask comics, like, you know, because you're just, you're a nobody, and you're just starting, and you're in the hallway with a legend. Like, what do you say? You know? And I would always just go like, "If you have any advice, happy to hear it." You know, some people love giving advice. Other people, I was like, going up to Bill Burr, like, "Help me."

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Like, I could read the vibe. And he said, "Sleep, like, get as much sleep as you can." And then he was like, "When you make it, make sure you don't get too comfortable." Because like, as comics, we still need to kind of... And I think that for a long... For a long time, I think I took bad advice that maybe I had just gleaned. I don't remember anyone giving it to me of like, you have to be crazy to be funny, or your life has to be a mess to be funny. I think a lot of comics hold on to that. If I ever get happy, or have a kid, or am in a healthy relationship, I won't be as funny. I don't think that's true. I actually think it freed up bandwidth, like getting out of

• 1:47:34Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't have to be true, but it can be true.

• 1:47:36Speaker 02

  Can be, that's right.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, comfort can make people fat, too. They can get lazy.

• 1:47:41Speaker 02

  But also, it's like, if you're not, you know, that's why I go to the grocery store. I got, you know, not that I, you know, wouldn't, but like, you gotta make sure that you're still in the trenches, and that you still don't, you don't make your life so easy that, you know.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  Right, you're not disassociated, you're not disconnected from the outside world.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  That's right, and just atrophied, like, and less resilient, and, you know. And, you know, so, what am I talking about? This is, this is where my brain does come in.

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  You were talking about New York City?

• 1:48:08Speaker 02

  New York City, so I'm in New York City, and I just wanted to write new stuff. It was like, things were going well, I bought a house, and I was like, you know, New York's just, it was a little more of a dogfight. And I wanted to go to The Cellar, and, you know, The Stand, and all these places. And I'm in this apartment, it's probably

• 1:48:21Joe Rogan?

  What year is this?

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  Eight, right before the pandemic.

• 1:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:25Joe Rogan?

  You got an apartment in New York before the pandemic?

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  For like, it was, I was already out of it probably six months before.

• 1:48:30Joe Rogan?

  So you were going back and forth?

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  I had it for a year, I was going back and forth. Because I also was like, touring so much that I would go, okay, if I'm gonna be in, you know, Florida at the end of, you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I should just go to New York, because then I'm going to North Carolina that Thursday anyway. Like, I was just like, doing clubs to work on the new hour.

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  Right, and you're single, so it's easy, you didn't have a kid.

• 1:48:49Speaker 02

  Exactly, and let me just stay on the East Coast, right? And, and let me just like, do a software update. It's like, Ari made me go on a hike for the month, and he's like, you need to go to Somalia for a year with no phone. I was like, I'll just, how about I get a place in New York?

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Ari's ridiculous, his ideas are so ridiculous.

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  I'll go to Little Italy, how about that?

• 1:49:05Joe Rogan?

  She'd go to Tibet.

• 1:49:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  She'd live in a yurt in Mongolia.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  And I remember like, every time I would turn on the bathtub, the toilet would, the effluvium from the toilet would come through the bathtub. It was like some wild, dude, and then there was also a elevator in the building that people could get off on your floor. So, half the time I'd be sleeping, and like, a bunch of dudes would just like, get off, you know. And I had this plumber come, and I was like, oh, can you help with the shit, the gutter going into the bath? The one thing that's relaxing is a bath, and then I'm just like, in sewage. And he was like, it's New York. And I was like, no, but like, can you fix it? He's like, nah. Like, his job is just going around to people and reminding them they live in New York. And this is the deal.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  There's no way to stop the fucking sewer water from getting in your tub?

• 1:49:53Speaker 02

  He's like, I could snake it, but like, that's not, it's just, this is, and this is part of why, like, Trump won, like, like, infrastructure, you know, there's, pipes explode all the time because they're just hitting their limit of being, you know, a hundred, whatever, years old, like, um, but New York is the place you go when you kinda, you know, wanna be in a dogfight on a daily basis, you're gonna be spending more, every time you sit down, it's a hundred bucks, you know, it's, even if you get affordable housing in New York, like, a bottle of water, food, like, everything's expensive there.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:20Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Because it has to be brought in.

• 1:50:22Speaker 02

  It's emotionally expensive, it's literally expensive, figuratively expensive, like, it's, you know, I, uh...

• 1:50:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, this lady's gonna reduce all that. She's gonna make everything valueless.

• 1:50:32Speaker 02

  Like, but why would you wanna take the, yeah, I mean, there's things that are artificial value, like art and stuff like that, but land is...

• 1:50:38Joe Rogan?

  What's probably gonna do is it's probably gonna lead to some sort of a Republican government there. There're probably gonna be a lot of backlash, people are probably gonna organize, probably gonna realize that you can't have communism, and it'll go, it'll swing the other way.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  Hmm, because everyone's kinda leaving, right? All the people with money are leaving New York?

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people are leaving New York.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  So they're saying, like...

• 1:50:58Joe Rogan?

  Fucking Robert De Niro was talking about it.

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  Whoa, he's like the king of New York.

• 1:51:02Joe Rogan?

  Because they wanna tax his savings. I don't know if that's accurate. That might've been a, might've been a fake quote.

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  They need to use everybody's tax dollars to pay for all this, but all the taxpayers are leaving, that are big money.

• 1:51:11Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, but if they're taxing everybody, the thing is, it's like, you can't just tax your way out of problems, because we know that that money goes, and it's, it's grossly inefficient what they do with it. The government is not good at using your money. They've never been good. There's not like, one example of the government doing an amazing job with your money. Originated as satire, there it is, it's fake.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  I mean, he owns, like, hotels there, he does, like, the film festival there and everything, right? He's like, yeah.

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he loves it there, yeah.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  He's like the guy.

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  People stand outside his house and yell at him.

• 1:51:45Speaker 02

  In New York.

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Crazy Trump people?

• 1:51:47Speaker 02

  I mean...

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  They know where he lives, so they stand outside his house and yell at him, "Fuck you, Bobby."

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  Good for everyone.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  "Trump won, Bobby, you fucking loser."

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  That's the crazy thing about living in New York. Somebody just walk right up to your door. If you have one of those walk-ups, knock, knock, knock. It's the sidewalk is in front of your house. That's what De Niro lives. Let's go knock. Didn't some crazy person break into his house recently?

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  An ex-wife?

• 1:52:12Joe Rogan?

  Like a lady. I think like some crazy lady stalker broke into his house and he wasn't there.

• 1:52:17Speaker 02

  Lady stalkers can really get far.

• 1:52:21Speaker 02

  Cause no one thinks that they're, I don't want to talk about one too much, but there's one in my life who can just kinda-

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Serial burglar accused of breaking into Robert De Niro's New York City townhouse went on new crime spree after release on bail.

• 1:52:34Speaker 02

  Did they know it was Robert De Niro's house?

• 1:52:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Uh, who is this person?

• 1:52:38Speaker 02

  How do they know he lived there?

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  Serial burglar, uh, Shanice Aviles was allegedly caught red-handed trying to steal Oscar-winning actor's Christmas presents. Whoa. She's the Grinch. She was released from Rikers on May 3rd. Since then, she's been charged with at least two more thefts, including one in which she allegedly snuck into a Columbia University building and slugged a security guard. She's a villain.

• 1:53:05Speaker 02

  I love like a Christmas present marauder.

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, she was charged with stealing $416 worth of merchandise from a TJ Maxx on 6th Avenue.

• 1:53:15Speaker 02

  You can get a lot for that amount.

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  At TJ Maxx. That's like most of the store.

• 1:53:20Joe Rogan?

  She was busted again. Let me see her face. See if I can see crazy. Yep, crazy. Look at her eyebrows.

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Are those shaved?

• 1:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Look at your face. Yeah, you got me. Whatever. Whatever.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  Poor Robert.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  I mean, like what, like if you're stealing Robert De Niro's Christmas presents, like what's she gonna do with an aura ring?

• 1:53:39Joe Rogan?

  Security guard patrolling the building around 6:30 PM spotted tools sitting near an open window that should have been locked shut, then found Aviles inside the building.

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  So she used tools?

• 1:53:49Joe Rogan?

  Filling up her bag with various items, according to a criminal complaint. Yeah, she used tools, broke into the house. Bro, get a fucking dog. Get a Belgian Malinois. Get a meat missile.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  People not having dogs, like what are you doing, man? I don't know how to convince people. I mean, yeah, I never had problems like that. I leave all my doors unlocked.

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, I wouldn't do that.

• 1:54:07Speaker 02

  I'm like, I wish a motherfucker would. I mean, I have large dogs.

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but still, you can shoot your dogs pretty easy.

• 1:54:16Speaker 02

  And then, so your new dog was Marshall, like instantly like?

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Loved him.

• 1:54:19Speaker 02

  Oh, of course.

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  They're best friends. But the new dog's also like a little anti-wolf. They've taken wolves and turned them into these cute cuddly little things you could carry around with you.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  When I look at that, that to me is like, I feel like humans were kind of like, this is never gonna change. But, things do change fast sometimes. Like, you know, like smoking. I remember when I first moved to LA, people were smoking inside, and then I remember people going outside to smoke. Like, it just, in our lifetime, we like watched, like, a huge change, like-

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  They banned smoking in bars.

• 1:54:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, huge cataclysmic changes like can happen, you know?

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  But that's just because the people that were working in the bars were getting fucking cancer. So, the thing is like, I wanna be able to smoke in a bar, that's great, but what about the poor waitress?

• 1:55:07Speaker 02

  That's right, the secondhand, right?

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  This lady who just wants to make a living and doesn't even smoke, now she has lung cancer. That's crazy. So, that is a, that's a liability for the organization, for the city.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:55:18Joe Rogan?

  It's bad for everybody.

• 1:55:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, pregnant women can't come drink at the bar.

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, go outside.

• 1:55:22Speaker 02

  And-

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  But you can't drink if you're a pregnant woman anyway.

• 1:55:24Speaker 02

  I know, kidding, I'm kidding. What? Now you tell, ah, damn it, Joe. But also-

• 1:55:28Joe Rogan?

  You can get a hippee shot.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  I am, I'm obsessed with the things that are so dangerous that used to just like be places like in shoe stores. They used to have little x-ray machines, and a lot-

• 1:55:39Joe Rogan?

  Shoe stores?

• 1:55:40Speaker 02

  Yup, and people started getting foot cancer that worked there, cuz all day they just put their foot in the x-ray machine.

• 1:55:44Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:55:45Speaker 02

  That's how they used to, I remember, cuz there was a shoe store where my mom lived, and it had like an old antique one, like-

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  An old antique x-ray machine?

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  It was a little x-ray machine-

• 1:55:55Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  And if you're working there and you're bored and you're just sticking your foot in it all day.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. I never knew that.

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  That's how they would take your foot size.

• 1:56:07Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it nuts how like new technology, they have no idea it's killing people?

• 1:56:10Speaker 02

  No clue.

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you know about the radium girls?

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  I love it already.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is a horrible story. So, when you have a watch, like, you know, like a Rolex, and it's, at night, you could see its loom. So, during the daytime, it charges up with the light, and at night, you can see the indicators. They light up, they glow in the dark. The reason they glow in the dark is because they're fucking radioactive.

• 1:56:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:36Joe Rogan?

  So, they paint, not now, I don't think, but they paint them, and so these girls were touching the tips of this fucking paintbrush when they were painting loom on these dials, and they were all getting horrific cancer, where they were getting holes in their face. See if you can find some of the images.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  Oh, bummer.

• 1:56:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's some images of iridium sickness.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  Are these just your porn searches, Jamie? We're looking for the uranium girls.

• 1:57:01Joe Rogan?

  Those are the radium girls, that's what I look for.

• 1:57:02Speaker 02

  Bummer.

• 1:57:03Joe Rogan?

  Radium girls is like, I think there's a documentary, yeah, there is. No, there's a movie from 2020.

• 1:57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz that's Joey.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  The Dark Story of America's Shining Women, oh.

• 1:57:13Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, all kinds of stuff like this, like, um, Christopher Reeve's wife got lung cancer from his machine.

• 1:57:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god.

• 1:57:21Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, that kinda stuff kills me. I, I always, I always think about nail girls, the girls that are in there doing acrylic nails. Like, what is, you're just inhaling this all day.

• 1:57:31Joe Rogan?

  I know, and they wear like a fucking mask, like a surgeon's mask, like, hey.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  That's just so they can talk shit about us, but, yeah.

• 1:57:36Joe Rogan?

  Nah, but that surgeon's mask is not gonna help you from the fucking fumes.

• 1:57:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  People that work around toxic chemicals, I was reading this thing about women that clean.

• 1:57:46Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:57:46Joe Rogan?

  That women that work with cleaning solvents all day, they get lung cancer, and it's like they're smoking three packs a day.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Totally, like, my, the woman that's been with me, um, she's like, my family, um, who helps me maintain my house, it's all, we make it, it's all clean, you know, like, not ammonia and stuff.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Organic stuff, yeah.

• 1:58:03Speaker 02

  It's like vinegar and...

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, you should just have that in your house anyway.

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  Tea tree and stuff, yeah.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  If it's not you cleaning, you don't want that shit in your fucking house, period.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then, like, as women, then we like, spray our hair and put a bunch of makeup on, you know.

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:17Speaker 02

  We're all high at all times, just chock full of chemicals, like, it's so wild, you think about the amount of endocrine disruptors we put on a daily basis, but...

• 1:58:23Joe Rogan?

  Pumping potulism into your face to keep it from moving.

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  You know what, I don't do it anymore.

• 1:58:27Joe Rogan?

  Ah, congratulations on your eyebrows.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  I...

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Your forehead moves. Your eyebrows have been freed.

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  It really is, my hairline went back, well, my...

• 1:58:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, you said you've been doing the red light. Red light is the key.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:58:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, red light, it brings collagen to your skin, it gives your skin a more youthful appearance, it, it like, helps your entire body heal better. It, it helps your mitochondria, but, we, we were talking about this before the podcast, for both of us, it's improved our vision.

• 1:58:55Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  It really has, like, my vision was on a downward, like, very steady, like, I have these things here, these reading glasses, I don't use those at all anymore.

• 1:59:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:05Joe Rogan?

  I can completely read my phone now, with no reading glasses, and before, it was a blurry mess.

• 1:59:09Speaker 02

  Also, by the way, everyone I know with kids... Like their, and I'll be exaggerating a little bit, but their kids are getting glasses so young and having eye stuff so young.

• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

  They're staring at screens all the time. You know, one of the things that you're supposed to do is if you're staring at something like really close to your face all the time, you should take breaks and look at things that are far away. Because otherwise, I guess your cornea reshapes and like your eyes literally become more accustomed to trying to look at things closer. It just fucks your eyes up.

• 1:59:38Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  And then the light from the screen, that can't be good.

• 1:59:42Speaker 02

  I know, I try to do the blue light glasses as like much as I can. The amount of glasses and lights I have like in my house right now, it looks like a fucking chemistry studio. But yes, I got, so I do red light on my skin. And, because I was like, you know, look, the Botox thing is like, TV executive ages ago, when I was truly like in my twenties, the way they sell you on Botox is they say it's preventative. And you go, oh yeah, okay.

• 2:00:05Joe Rogan?

  In your twenties, they were telling you to do it?

• 2:00:07Speaker 02

  I was like twenty-seven. I was like, making a TV show, a couple of TV shows, and they were like, well, she looks tired. I'm like, yeah, because I'm tired. Because you keep sending me notes at two in the morning to take out all the good jokes. Like, of course I'm tired. And so, you know, I, they say to do it, so that you don't get wrinkles later. And then you're like, okay, well now I'm thirty-five, like, why am I still getting it? Like, shouldn't I enjoy the prevention now? Like, it just sort of becomes a do this forever. And I was like, I don't even know who I'm doing this for at this point, you know, I just was like, I guess I can.

• 2:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you just want to be a comic and you don't want to be cast in TV roles anymore, or movie roles.

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  Even in TV roles, you can't act if you don't have expression on your face. It's the whole thing, you know? We've all seen actors where we're like, you just see one teardrop go down.

• 2:00:53Joe Rogan?

  Heyo, I'm right here.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You know, Brotox, the rise of Brotox.

• 2:00:57Joe Rogan?

  Brotox is weird. I shouldn't, but I do. I judge men very badly when I think they have Botox. When I see a man's face doesn't move, I'm like, I am not listening to anything coming out of your mouth.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  Especially when. It's hot on a guy. Why not enjoy the benefit of age looking good on a man?

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because a certain amount of age, they're like, oh my god, I'm so old. When you get to like that Stallone age, like, he was at the White House, receiving some fucking award. You know, there was a bunch of guys that went to the White House and got awards. Did you ever see that?

• 2:01:32Speaker 02

  Sorry. Awards are so silly, yeah.

• 2:01:35Joe Rogan?

  You stand there and they, they put it around your neck, you're like, yep, I deserve this. But Stallone is there and it looks so crazy. Like, he used to be my canary in a coal mine, because I'm like, wow, you could be 70 and be jacked.

• 2:01:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:48Joe Rogan?

  This is awesome, you know? Because like, he kept it together for a long fucking time. Like, he was in great shape for a long time, but now he looks, looks like he's just doing a bunch of stuff.

• 2:02:00Speaker 02

  I think, even if-

• 2:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Look at him there. That's crazy. First of all, that hairline is crazy.

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  This whole lineup of people is batshit. Can you print this out so I can just put it in my bathroom to just-

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Is that Pacino? Who's the guy on the left?

• 2:02:14Speaker 02

  We should know the answer. Is that Gene Simmons?

• 2:02:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:18Speaker 02

  The woman? Oh.

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  No, Gene Simmons is there.

• 2:02:20Speaker 02

  Is this the trans, the trans-

• 2:02:22Joe Rogan?

  Stallone's 79, he's 79 years old.

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  Let me see. Well, that was his wife.

• 2:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's just like, so who's there? Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons.

• 2:02:34Speaker 02

  What was-

• 2:02:35Joe Rogan?

  And Stallone, and who's the guy in the back?

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  Are these the Benjamin Button Awards? Like, what is the actual award?

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Who's the guy on the far right?

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't say?

• 2:02:47Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Michael Crawford, whoever that is.

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure he's been in a bunch of stuff. I enjoyed it, just didn't know his name.

• 2:02:54Speaker 02

  Like entertainers.

• 2:02:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, okay, so they all got a big award, but it's just the way Stallone looked, it was like, god, what are you doing, man?

• 2:03:01Speaker 02

  The, uh, it looks like a facelift.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Is it Trump Kennedy Center? Oh.

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, sure.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  So he, he was acknowledging his 80s heroes with awards. I used to like you in the 80s.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  But by the way, just ask them to go to dinner, like, how insecure that you have to like, give an award, like, there was, what was it? Was it Cosby that Harvard like, gave him a fake award just to see if he would show up, and he showed up?

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:03:26Speaker 02

  Like how narcissists will just show up to accept, like, greatest comedy person of ever, and he like, showed up and accepted it, and they didn't re- And they had to like, get him from the airport, they were like, fuck, this was like a joke.

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure?

• 2:03:40Speaker 02

  Jamie.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't know anything about that.

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  Go to Blue Sky.

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Award?

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  They like the hasty pudding or whatever Harvard's comedy troupe is.

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they did it?

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  Did like a prank where they'll give celebrities awards.

• 2:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Just to see if they show up?

• 2:03:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Cosby showed up.

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  That's actually funny. Conan and his frie- oh, okay, Conan O'Brien convinced Cosby that he was awarded fake the Harvard Lampoon's Lifetime Achievement in Comedy. To be presented at Harvard, Bill Cosby actually flew all the way in a private plane to be picked up by Conan in his parents' station wagon. A modified bowling trophy was given as an award.

• 2:04:15Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:04:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  Like he showed up to get it.

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That is hilarious.

• 2:04:22Speaker 02

  Imagine.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  So that was Conan when he was in Harvard.

• 2:04:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's so funny. There's so many funny writers came out of Harvard.

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  Out of Harvard, yeah.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  The Harvard Lampoon.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of crazy.

• 2:04:31Speaker 02

  It's kind of crazy. I mean, it's interesting because they've, they've, you know, not to like talk about TV dorkery, but I know a lot of them, we're friends with a lot of them, but like there was a little bit of like a elitism. I think it's part of what made TV start becoming kind of irrelevant is these sort of like elite writers from Harvard who don't necessarily have a, you know, um, I think that the best comedy, everyone can see themselves in it, or it's about something that we can all kind of relate to on some level. That's all these sort of kids going to a, you know, seventy thousand dollar a year elite school, making shows like The Office and show, you know, these comedies that, you know, you know, look, like it's, it's, a lot of my friends worked on The Office. I love you guys. It's gonna get me in trouble, but it is kind of like making fun of poor people. It's like,

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  wouldn't it be funny if people like worked at a paper mill and like went to Chili's? Like, what a bunch of losers. It's like, my family members like go to Chili's.

• 2:05:22Speaker 04

  That is real funny. That's Conan right there. He was nineteen when this happened.

• 2:05:29Speaker 02

  Like, they had to like scramble to pick him up?

• 2:05:31Joe Rogan?

  That's actually amazing.

• 2:05:33Speaker 04

  He talked about on a podcast.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's actually amazing that he did that. That's actually amazing.

• 2:05:38Speaker 02

  Like, that is, I love the little things where when you find out someone was a sociopathic monster that you're like, we should have known. Even though it had nothing to do with drugging women, like the fact that he showed up to receive this award, like.

• 2:05:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, actually, the Harvard Lampoon is like a famous comedy thing, so it would make sense that they would give him an award.

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  That's true. That's true.

• 2:05:56Joe Rogan?

  And before he was a monster, he wa- I mean, like, you look at that image there, that's a black and white image. So Conan was nineteen. Conan's gotta be in his late fifties, right? How old is Conan now? Yes, this was in eighty-five. Okay. So, he was very respected back then.

• 2:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, Bill Cosby was the man.

• 2:06:14Speaker 02

  Bill Co- look, that show, I mean, when I tell you, like, my top five shows, it's Cosby, you know, Martin, Married with Children was really big.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Can you even get Cosby anymore? Have they hid that?

• 2:06:25Speaker 02

  Maybe not even 'cause, no one thought it was weird that he was a gynecologist that worked out of his basement?

• 2:06:34Speaker 02

  Like...

• 2:06:36Joe Rogan?

  How about that one episode where he had his secret barbecue sauce that made everybody horny?

• 2:06:40Speaker 02

  That's right. No, but...

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  But no, remember?

• 2:06:45Joe Rogan?

  How fucking, who greenlit that? You're gonna drug people?

• 2:06:48Speaker 02

  Cliff Huxtable would walk up the stairs from his basement, take off plastic gloves.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, because he was just touching pussies?

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  That would've just been inside a woman, presumably.

• 2:06:58Joe Rogan?

  He kept them on, he's smelling up the stairs.

• 2:07:00Speaker 02

  He would just be like, "Yeah, like, ah!" Like, whatever he was doing, and then be like, "Anyway, so what's for dinner?" And you're like, "Wait, hold on."

• 2:07:05Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. I didn't know that. I never watched that show.

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  He was a gynecologist and he'd work-

• 2:07:09Joe Rogan?

  I didn't even know he was a gynecologist.

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  Out of his house.

• 2:07:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that's so crazy.

• 2:07:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I always thought that was wild.

• 2:07:16Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:07:18Speaker 02

  He'd take the plastic gloves off at the top of the stairs, like, "Bum!"

• 2:07:22Joe Rogan?

  I was dating a girl once back in the day, and she told me that her gynecologist hit on her, and she said she was so creeped out. Her gynecologist called her up at home and asked her out on a date, and she was like, "What?" "'Cause he got a chance to take a look at that thing." "That thing looked pretty good."

• 2:07:40Speaker 02

  I mean-

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. Your gynecologist asks you on a d- and you're at home, and this is back, by the way, like, when, I don't even, I guess they had caller ID in the eighties, so this would be after they had caller ID. Like, you probably think the doctor's calling you up, 'cause like-

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  By the way, didn't we just go on one?

• 2:07:58Joe Rogan?

  He just figured me.

• 2:07:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, what was that? Hold on, what's your definition of a date? That's what that was.

• 2:08:05Joe Rogan?

  I thought we were a thing.

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  We're together.

• 2:08:06Joe Rogan?

  You've seen my pussy and my asshole. This is nuts. I've been in the stirrups.

• 2:08:10Speaker 02

  You fingered me and have all my money, like.

• 2:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:08:12Speaker 02

  That is, I mean, it is interesting that today for a guy to become a gynecologist, I know it was like the only way, you know, only men could be back in the day, but now for a guy to be like, I'm in med school to be a gynecologist.

• 2:08:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody's like, what?

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:08:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, like, if I was a woman, I would never go to a male gynecologist.

• 2:08:26Speaker 02

  I'm good.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Just the, if he's heterosexual.

• 2:08:30Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  And he's staring at your cooter and thinking about sliding up in there.

• 2:08:33Speaker 02

  Or the opposite. Or if he like, doesn't care, you're like, why are you not looking?

• 2:08:37Joe Rogan?

  I'm kinda excited.

• 2:08:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, why'd you put gloves on?

• 2:08:39Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing.

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at it shine.

• 2:08:43Joe Rogan?

  I put glitter on it just for you.

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  Do you remember that?

• 2:08:48Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:08:49Speaker 02

  Butt, butt.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  Glitter? Butt glitter? For real?

• 2:08:54Speaker 02

  No, remember butt, uh, crystal, um, remember, okay. Bedazzling, pussy bedazzling.

• 2:09:03Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 2:09:04Speaker 02

  Yes, this was a thing.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Did that give you cancer too, like baby powder does?

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  Thing, definitely something, uh, but yeah, it was, there was, I'm just always fascinated by like, conflating like feminism with just like, just, what are we doing? Bedazzling our pussies, like, we're not like, free the nipple, like, we're.

• 2:09:22Speaker 04

  Why Joe isn't off on something?

• 2:09:23Speaker 02

  Okay, okay. Is this William.

• 2:09:26Joe Rogan?

  Glitter butts, the hot new trend for summer, glitter butt. That's so ridiculous, like, don't look at my butt, but look, it's glittery. That's hilarious.

• 2:09:36Speaker 02

  This, oh, that's like a butt.

• 2:09:38Speaker 04

  There's also the butt plug thing.

• 2:09:39Speaker 02

  No, there was a second.

• 2:09:40Joe Rogan?

  So where are these people wearing these glitter pants? I mean, it's not even pants. That was another thing that hoes would do back in the day. Remember they would just paint their tits? And you can kinda go out in public with paint on your tits, like on New Year's Eve and stuff like that?

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  And people go, oh, you're topless. No, get peed on.

• 2:09:56Speaker 02

  And then it was like, why are you looking? It's like, oh.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  What? Okay, these girls have glitter all over their pants. By the way, how toxic is that shit?

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  Hold on, go, that's just, hold on.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  So, we talked about the Wizard of Oz and that poor dude who had to play the Tin Man. That guy got fucked up by that paint?

• 2:10:12Speaker 02

  So did the, um, uh, the woman that was the witch. She got her face caught on fire.

• 2:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, caught on fire?

• 2:10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, which by the way, now we pay dermatologists to set our faces on fire, but back then it was, that was accidental. It was a.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Gotta take a layer of skin off.

• 2:10:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, she, well.

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  So you can look young again. Gotta get to that young skin.

• 2:10:26Speaker 02

  Was it, um. What was it? Asbestos or what?

• 2:10:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, she had green paint on her face all day long, right?

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  But in Tin Man, it was...

• 2:10:34Joe Rogan?

  He had like, it was aluminum, I think.

• 2:10:36Speaker 02

  Aluminum, that's correct.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:10:37Speaker 02

  Which we put in deodorant, fine.

• 2:10:39Joe Rogan?

  Not the...

• 2:10:40Speaker 02

  Not the kind you...

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  I used Dr. Squatch. It's natural.

• 2:10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Works too. That shit lasts all day long. Dr. Squatch is legit.

• 2:10:46Speaker 02

  Also, if I stink the...

• 2:10:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, you don't want to smell me.

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:10:51Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  I mean...

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  When I don't have, when I don't have deodorant on and I like work out and hang out all day, and I'll smell myself and get disgusted.

• 2:10:58Speaker 02

  But like...

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  I'll smell myself and gag.

• 2:11:00Speaker 02

  I'll do like wipes. I'll just wipe it, you know?

• 2:11:03Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to smell that.

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to get in there.

• 2:11:06Speaker 02

  But we're not, is, I don't, I just, this whole thing where we all have to smell like a moonlit path.

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you don't want to smell like a monkey in the zoo. That's what I smell like.

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know. It's kind of a power move.

• 2:11:15Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 2:11:16Speaker 02

  You know how like they say like Ronnie DeJ...

• 2:11:17Joe Rogan?

  You trying to have sex with your wife, she's plugging her nose.

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. No, you know what? I'm sorry. I'm sorry to your wife. I love her too much to encourage this.

• 2:11:23Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you deal with my breath. What?

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  I...

• 2:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Brush your fucking teeth. Are you crazy?

• 2:11:27Speaker 02

  But isn't there something about like smelly, if someone smells bad, like your wife, your BO probably smells good to her. Huberman actually talked about this when he was on my podcast back in the day about like if someone doesn't smell good to you, it means you're probably related.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  I think you need to talk to her. She would probably correct you.

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:43Joe Rogan?

  I fucking smell growth. I eat mostly meat.

• 2:11:47Speaker 02

  Because you're always in ketosis. Yeah, that's different.

• 2:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Rotten meat coming out of my pores and pneumonia from sweat.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  But if someone's like morning breath smells bad to you and they just, you know, like...

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's morning breath smells bad.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  But if you like...

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be really horny to make out with someone in the morning.

• 2:12:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Like full on make, like you gotta, that's like, that's ultimate, I don't give a fuck.

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't care what your breath smells like. Come here. That's like crazy.

• 2:12:11Speaker 02

  Crazy. Just, yeah. Flip me over like an adult.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:14Speaker 02

  Don't, um...

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  It's like if you don't care about yeast infections. Who cares about that smell? Let's go. Let's fucking go.

• 2:12:24Speaker 02

  There is something sick about once you birth a child. You're so tapped into this like feral, like it's just so wild that I don't even think about morning breath anymore. It's you're just like.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're cleaning diapers all the time. It's like when I was on Fear Factor, I didn't even flinch if someone threw up in front of me. I'd seen so many people throw up. Like one time, one time my wife threw up in her car. And this is how like I am immune to throw up.

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  Cause some people puke if they see.

• 2:12:52Joe Rogan?

  Because of all my years on Fear Factor, I'm completely immune. When I was a kid, if you threw up in the hallway in high school, I'd be like.

• 2:12:58Speaker 02

  Which like there's a biological basis for that. We probably ate the same thing in the tribe.

• 2:13:02Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. That got wiped out of me on Fear Factor, 100%. She was coming home from the gym and she drank wheatgrass juice and she fucking threw up in her center console.

• 2:13:11Speaker 02

  Yep, I've done.

• 2:13:13Joe Rogan?

  And she was crying. She was like, okay, but now I can't even clean it. It's so disgusting. I go, I'll clean it. Like I don't give a fuck. I cleaned the whole thing. I got in there with towels. I cleaned her puke out. It didn't even make me flinch. I'd seen so many people puke. I've seen people puke for days and days and I mean, I did 148 episodes. So I at least 130 of those times, people had to eat something that made them throw up. So I saw multiple people, there's six contestants. I saw so many people gag and I had to be interviewing them. Like while they were gagging sometimes, while they were throwing up in a dumpster, I'd be talking to them.

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  That was such a big deal, that show.

• 2:14:00Joe Rogan?

  It was so ridiculous.

• 2:14:02Speaker 02

  Such a big deal.

• 2:14:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, I took that show because I thought it was going to be canceled.

• 2:14:08Joe Rogan?

  That I thought like, I'm going to get some jokes out of this. They're going to sic dogs on people. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  But you underestimated our deep desire for schadenfreude, like watching other people be scared and humiliated, the Colosseum, basically.

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was also, I underestimated the entertainment value of the competition because it was competition. That was the, the grossness was great. It, you know, it was definitely fun to watch and but there was also like. Real, like, significant competition.

• 2:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  There were some great moments. There's this one moment where this mother and her daughter beat this father and his son, and the father and the son were assholes. They were just, the dad was like a dick, like,

• 2:14:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:48Joe Rogan?

  This is how you get ahead in this world, you be a fuck a dick. And they were talking crazy shit to the-

• 2:14:52Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 2:14:52Joe Rogan?

  And then the kid fumbled and fucked things up, and the dad fucked things up, and the whole crew was crying. Everybody was so happy.

• 2:15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm fascinated-

• 2:15:01Joe Rogan?

  I'd cry.

• 2:15:02Speaker 02

  I'm fascinated-

• 2:15:03Joe Rogan?

  I'll cry if I start talking about it.

• 2:15:04Speaker 02

  I just sent Andrew Schultz a clip that I'll cry if I talk about, because he was posting something about, um, like, a daughter asking his, her, or a gymnast who the daughter was getting attached, and wouldn't let her go to the routine, so she did it with her daughter. And, um, there's this, whoo, there's this video of this girl, I think it's in Brazil, uh, she's doing a cooking competition, and, um, you know, there's like, you know, timed cooking competitions, and she can't open a jar, and her dad is in the audience, and she runs and gives it to her dad, and her dad just opens it, and it's like, gives me goosebumps every time, but, um, dads, man. Um, but, that, uh, that shit just kills me. That, oh god, this kills me.

• 2:15:44Joe Rogan?

  This is how she runs?

• 2:15:45Speaker 02

  She can't get it open.

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  Why do they make jars so fucking hard to open? By the way, if your hands are-

• 2:15:50Speaker 02

  That's her dad, look at her dad. Oh god. Oh god.

• 2:15:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh no, so this is costing all this time and he's freaking out? Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 2:16:00Speaker 02

  Ah, oh god, oh god.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  That's cool that you can do that, though.

• 2:16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:08Joe Rogan?

  Because it's ridiculous that you can't, like, opening a jar-

• 2:16:11Speaker 02

  Well, you gotta hit it on the side of a-

• 2:16:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you'll break it.

• 2:16:14Speaker 02

  Thing, yeah. Or like, if you just clank it on something. But, um, it's like, I think he posted something about, you know, when, like, runners don't finish the race, and the dad comes out and like, helps him cross the finish line or something. Oh, gosh. I love shit like that so much. Um, but, uh, I can't remember where we were on this now, I'm just-

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't matter.

• 2:16:30Speaker 02

  -gonna sob. Um-

• 2:16:31Joe Rogan?

  Competition, fear factor, disgusting. Yeah, it turned out to be fun.

• 2:16:35Speaker 02

  That's what it is. I think I'm fascinated by, and I'm like a football dork, I know you're not like the biggest football fan, even though you've been going, you've been going to some games.

• 2:16:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I like it now. I get it. I watched the Texas A&M versus the UT game. Holy shit, it was incredible.

• 2:16:51Speaker 02

  Incredible. And I think that what you're going for is it's almost like this gambling addiction in a way. Cause it's like even when your team loses, you're all losing together and it's, you know, you get to feel like you're a part of something. There's so much like, you know, reptilian sort of hardwiring at play, but for me, it's like about these goosebumps moments. That you can't have every game that would take the value out of them. Like this past season when, have you been, I don't know if you're a football guy, Jamie, but Philip Rivers coming back to the Colts and him coming out of retirement. Two major players came out of retirement this year that were like coaching, they were done coaching their kids, little league and high school. Philip Rivers was just coaching, you know, what, 45, 44, 45 years old?

• 2:17:33Speaker 04

  It's a fun caveat with that too, but.

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 2:17:35Speaker 04

  He's got so many kids.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  10, right?

• 2:17:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. He was about to hit retirement. His five years, you have to wait to go to the Hall of Fame. But now he just like re-upped his NFL, like health insurance. So now he gets coverage for, I mean, he's rich as shit. He doesn't really need it. But just a little caveat of like, he gets coverage for life.

• 2:17:53Speaker 02

  Him getting a call.

• 2:17:54Joe Rogan?

  Here's what I realized, and I realized this at the UT game. When you're a fan of football, you get big moments many times. If you're a fan of a fight, you get the fight and then one guy wins and one guy gets horribly destroyed sometimes. Like sometimes your guy gets flatlined and you're watching your guy laid out with his toes curled, his legs stiff, his arms up in the air. He's completely unconscious and the other guy is on the cage like this. And then the medical people are taking care of your guy and you're like, oh, fuck.

• 2:18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:29Joe Rogan?

  It's the worst. When you see like families and children, see their dad get knocked out.

• 2:18:35Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 2:18:36Joe Rogan?

  It's so hard.

• 2:18:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  That's so hard. We see wives crying and then the camera turns to them. You see them there. Like, oh no. It's just, football's a different thing, you know, when someone throws the ball and then the person catches it and goes across the line, and you see a hundred thousand people.

• 2:18:53Speaker 02

  That's right, that's it, that's it, that's it, and so much is the type of fanbase, you know, but like, um.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  But the people in the audience feel better.

• 2:19:01Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:19:01Joe Rogan?

  It's like, they are, they're celebrating in a different way, because when a fighter wins, it's an individual, but when a team wins, it's your team.

• 2:19:08Speaker 02

  That's right, that's right.

• 2:19:09Joe Rogan?

  It's different.

• 2:19:09Speaker 02

  And you can make the argument on some level that, you know, you know, not you're a part of it, but like, the energy you bring, like, when I went to the Rams game, I'm like an Eagles fan, and Rams game, all green, all Eagles fans coming for away games, like, you know, it's, imagine being like, the Eagles and looking out at like, all green in another, you know, city, also, is it Matt Prady, I think is his last name, is a kicker for, was it the Bills, both of the kickers got injured, and like, they didn't have a kicker, and they're like, imagine getting the call, you're coaching like, your middle, middle school sons, whatever, little league football, and you get the call, like, we need you, you know?

• 2:19:47Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:19:48Speaker 02

  It's like, yeah, he goes in and he kicks like, the winning field goal, this was in September, I want to say, I love shit like that, so much.

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:19:57Speaker 02

  You know, when you, also just moments like, what Saquon Barkley did last year, like, jumping backwards over, like, there's a video of his teammates watching him do it, going, fuck, like, it's just, I love watching the interplay between the team members too, it's like comics, it's like, you know?

• 2:20:12Joe Rogan?

  I get it, I didn't like it before, but I get it way more now, I get it way more, because, for me, it's like a watered-down version of fighting, I'm like, why don't we just fight? But now I get it, it's not that, you're, as an audience member, it's better, because you're like, a part of the game, like, we are scoring, it's a really, it's a stupid thing to say, we, you never say, we won that fight.

• 2:20:32Speaker 02

  That's right, that's right, also, but I think the we of it also happens to, you know, The reason I think as live performers, when you see a team like the Eagles do so, so well, and then this last time they played the Rams, just fall apart. You're like, what, just per what we were talking about with Fear Factor and what you're capable of when you're on TV, when you've been insulted, when your ego's been, when you're in front of your kid.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:56Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna eat a live rat, but if my kid is watching and someone just insulted my kid, it's, I'm a different person. You know what I'm saying? I will fucking fuck this rat in the ass, you know, whatever I need to do. Or if money's involved, I'm obsessed with sort of like the-

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• 2:23:10Speaker 02

  You know, the most dangerous team to me is always the one that hasn't won any games.

• 2:23:14Joe Rogan?

  That's the most dangerous fighter is the one that needs money.

• 2:23:16Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right. And I'm just fascinated, didn't Floyd Mayweather used to practice by doing like live Facebook, Facebook lives with like girls around to try to?

• 2:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 2:23:27Speaker 02

  Uh huh. I think he would do like Facebook lives.

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, he definitely did that to show off too. He was so fucking good.

• 2:23:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:34Joe Rogan?

  He was so good, but he, he would do crazy things like they would have rounds that would go on for 10 minutes. He would, you know, he would have like, what would he call it? Like the dog pound? He like a name for it where he'd bring a bunch of guys in there and they would just box and they wouldn't have any rounds. They would just box. So like, you know, it's sink or swim. You got no rounds?

• 2:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:55Joe Rogan?

  You're just in there, but no one's going to tell you to stop?

• 2:23:57Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 2:23:58Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy.

• 2:23:58Speaker 02

  Wild animal.

• 2:23:59Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy. But he also, he also was a master at boxing people and talking shit to them. So it was, I'm sorry about my voice. But it was a part of like the whole thing of it was that you were watching all this chaos. And then you're dealing with the psychological aspect of each guy talking shit to each other.

• 2:24:21Speaker 02

  And it's also like.

• 2:24:22Joe Rogan?

  That's it. The Doghouse refers to his gym's notoriously grueling sparring sessions. Known for intense, no rules fighting until someone quits. Designed to push boxers to their absolute limits. I mean, it's not a mystery why he's one of the absolute greatest of all time.

• 2:24:38Speaker 02

  Till someone quits.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  By the way, this guy's had multiple hand surgeries, so he couldn't really even like blast on guys like he used to when he was younger. You know, when he was younger, they called him Pretty Boy Floyd. And so in the early days of his career, he was a knockout artist. He was fucking people up. But he doesn't have big hands, and so he was breaking his hands like multiple times. And so then he became Money Mayweather and just started boxing everybody's face off. And like if you go back and watch some of his early knockouts, also, he wasn't certainly facing the caliber of fighters he faces a champion. But he's the best ever at not getting hit. That guy's been cracked maybe like three or four times in his entire professional career. Which is wild.

• 2:25:24Speaker 02

  And is his ability to not get hit, is that from outworking everyone or something? Is there some gift?

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  It's a whole bunch of things that came together. So one of them, his dad, Jesus Christ. His dad was Floyd Mayweather Senior, okay? His dad fought Sugar Ray Leonard and gave him a hell of a fight. His uncle was Roger Mayweather. Roger Mayweather, multiple time world champion, the Black Mamba. So he grew up in a gym with Jeff Mayweather. And these guys were all killers and they were boxing scientists. They knew everything about boxing. It's a famous quote that people always use Roger Mayweather, see if you can find it, where he's like, "Most people don't know shit about boxing." And everybody who knows anything about boxing, and by the way, I'm not a boxing expert. I'm like a fan.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Compared to the regular person, I know more than most people.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  Hey Rhonda, he's a fan.

• 2:26:21Joe Rogan?

  Most people don't know shit about boxing. But see if you can get him to say it, because it's just, it's the way he says it.

• 2:26:27Speaker 00

  Most motherfuckers don't know shit about boxing.

• 2:26:35Joe Rogan?

  And it's 100% accurate. It's 100% accurate.

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  Is boxing like, and not to like compliment like what we do and any, this is might sound insulting to athletes, but like, is it similar in a way to comedy in that there's certain things like you can't really teach? Like you have to find your thing.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's certainly like genetic advantages that are huge, that are almost insurmountable. Um, there's some people that have like speed, like Roy Jones Jr. Was the best example of that. He had speed that was otherworldly, like no one had seen anything like that before. And he had a style that no one else had. Roy Jones, so the most important punch in boxing, if you ask any boxing trainer, they'll say the jab. The jab is what establishes distance. The jab is what you could score with.

• 2:27:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:20Joe Rogan?

  The right hands to try and knock him out, left hooks to try and knock him out, uppercut. But the jab is the most important punch in boxing. Roy Jones rarely threw jabs.

• 2:27:29Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:27:29Joe Rogan?

  He would throw left hooks. His left hook was so fast that he would throw a leaping left hook and it would hit you as fast or faster than another person's jab. And you had to calibrate for that when you're fighting him. Like all of a sudden, there's a guy who could do things that are literally superhuman. Like no one can move like him. He has a left bicep that's like twice the size of his right bicep from throwing left hooks.

• 2:27:51Speaker 02

  And is this like, like how Michael Phelps has abnormally long arms or something, right?

• 2:27:55Joe Rogan?

  No, he developed that left bicep. That's why his right bicep is small. His right bicep is normal sized. His left bicep is fucking huge. So look at the photo.

• 2:28:04Speaker 02

  Whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 2:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Bro, let me tell you something. Roy Jones in his prime was a freak of nature.

• 2:28:11Speaker 02

  And do you try to go like, okay, you know, I'm just going to-

• 2:28:15Joe Rogan?

  Look at his build. Look at that left hook.

• 2:28:17Speaker 02

  Insane, dude. No.

• 2:28:19Joe Rogan?

  He was a freak and also extremely intelligent, crafty, set you up. Knew what to do to get you to move this way, and then you move in that way. And then he's doing things you can't do so you don't anticipate that someone's gonna be able to leap in from there and catch you with an uppercut. You're like, you don't even understand how it happened.

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:28:39Joe Rogan?

  He's the only guy in the history of, I believe, CompuBox. It might still be the case. And it was in this fight, the Vinnie Pazienza fight, where, look at that. Put his hands behind his back and knocked the guy out. One of the only fights in the history of the sport where the opponent landed zero punches. That's the stoppage of Vinnie Pazienza. He was a freak.

• 2:28:59Speaker 02

  Wait, how did, how did that even happen?

• 2:29:01Joe Rogan?

  He hit him with a left hook to the body. He was so fast. He would hit you.

• 2:29:05Speaker 02

  Cheese?

• 2:29:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was so good. All of his fights were essentially executions. He went from 168, he won the world title at 168, went up to light heavyweight, won the world title at light heavyweight, went up to heavyweight, won the world title at heavyweight. He was a fucking middleweight in the Olympics.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  That looks like, remember the video of Putin doing like Kung Fu or Taekwondo and they're pretending to fall? Like, that's what this looks like.

• 2:29:30Joe Rogan?

  No, Roy was so fast.

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  This is nuts.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  He was so fast. And he was so hard to hit.

• 2:29:35Speaker 02

  Oh!

• 2:29:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:29:38Speaker 02

  Like cartoon.

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  There's a one-two he hits this guy with that I sent a friend of mine who's a boxing fan the other day. I'm like, look at the speed of this one-two. He, he, he hit this guy with a, a counter right hand. Like a counter one-two right hand. It was, it was freakish. Like, it didn't even make sense. There's the left hook. That left hook, look at that, that left hook. That left hook's crazy. Look at him, like, what the fuck?

• 2:30:01Speaker 02

  He just went down.

• 2:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Watch that left hook again. He's trying to get up and he's face planting. And that's Montell Griffin, who was a world champion. Look at that left hook. Good lord.

• 2:30:09Speaker 02

  He even was like, I-

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  Good lord.

• 2:30:11Speaker 02

  Lort.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was, you know, there's guys that are amazing and then there's Roy Jones. Roy Jones was, he was a freak. I mean, it was like, nothing anybody ever said.

• 2:30:22Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 2:30:23Joe Rogan?

  It was always fights. Look at that right hand to the body, Virgil Hill. Drop, he knocked him out with a right hand to the, by the way, to the left side of his body, where that's not even where your liver is. Your liver's over here. Guys get dropped all the time with a left hook to the body. He hit him with a right hook to the body and stopped him.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  I always get obsessed with like as comedians, the more comedy there is and has been, the more original we have to be, you know? I'm always fascinated by like, you know, fighting or sports. Like, you know, football, for example, like, you know, go where is it? The Eagles doing the tush push. It's like everyone had to start studying that. And this thing that worked, now everyone knows you do it. So, you know? It's fascinating to me when a fighter's so good at one thing, everyone starts learning to defend that. And then, you know, because it used to be like, you could just fight and people saw the fight once and that was it.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's where Roy had the advantage over everyone else. Well, there was no internet back when Roy was on top. So, the thing about the internet now is any kid with, you know, limited resources can study all the greatest boxers of all time. So, Mike Tyson, when he was young, one of the great advantages that he had was Jim Jacobs was his manager. And Jim Jacobs was a legitimate boxing historian who, he carried these tapes and old films of everyone. Jack Johnson, Harry Greb, he was watching Sandy Sadler, all these Willie Pep, all these like Rocky Marciano, Jack Johnson, all the great champions of history on film. So, he'd study film footage all day. He would put these 32 millimeter or whatever, it was a 32 millimeter or 16?

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  What are those things back then? 16? So, the reel to reel. So, he'd have to feed the tape into the thing.

• 2:31:58Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  And he would sit there and watch everybody fight. So, he had this massive advantage of seeing all these incredible fighters. Like, he mirrored his style a lot around a bunch of different ones. But one of them in particular was Jack Dempsey. Who was like one of the most, I mean, I think Dempsey was the champion and I want to, I'm trying to figure out what year this was, where Jack Dempsey was the heavyweight champion. He was like, it was a savage time. I think he was a hobo at one time in his life. Like, it's a savage time and he was a savage man. And he was annihilating people. And he wasn't very big either. From 1919 to 1926. What did he weigh? What did Jack Dempsey weigh? When he was fighting?

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'm gonna guess 180 pounds. 187. 187. He was the heavyweight champion of the world. He weighed 187 pounds. That's nuts. That's 13 pounds less than me. He was the heavyweight champion of the world. This is a- That is, that's fucking bananas. And another one that's even crazier is Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano, who was the heavyweight champion in the 50s, I believe, um, when, one of the only heavyweight champions to ever retire undefeated. He was 5'10" and he weighed, I think, 185 pounds. In fact- And he killed everybody. He killed people. He hit them so hard that they would just go dead.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  They would just shut them off and they would like collapse. He was a murderous puncher. And he was a small guy. And this is- 184 pounds when he won the title from Jersey Joe Walcott. Now wa- wa- Google or look up that fight. He was shorter than- Look up that fight where the KO of Jersey Joe Walcott. You just have to see the punch he hits him with. And this is before peptides and- Oh yeah, this is just, he was eating spaghetti. This is, this is like a crazy Italian from Brockton, Massachusetts. But just see if you can find the KO. Because the KO is, is no- by the way, Jersey Joe Walcott is one of the all-time greats. I mean, he was a phenomenal boxer. Jersey Joe-

• 2:34:11Joe Rogan?

  This was a little later in his time, you know, but he had had a long career and he fought great. So he knocks him down with that right hand, but wa- watch the KO though after this. This.

• 2:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they must have fought twice. So fi- find the second, the other one. Whoa.

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  This is, yeah, this is the one. Okay, watch, watch how he KOs him. Hits him with that right hand. He, he had the craziest work ethic of maybe any heavyweight of all time. He would work out, he would run 10 miles in the morning. Wow. He would work out all day long. Sometimes he would spar 100 rounds for a fight each week. He was sparring constantly and then he would swim after training five miles in a lake. His cardio was just off the charts and it was because he got tired once in a fight.

• 2:35:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:07Joe Rogan?

  When he was an amateur.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  I'll do it.

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  And he said, "I'll never get tired again." And so he just decided to outwork everybody. But you gotta see the KO, like, see if you can zoom in. I mean, it was a brutal fight. I mean, Jersey Joe Walcott, give as much as he got, but here it is, right there.

• 2:35:22Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:35:23Joe Rogan?

  Watch that again. Back that up again. Watch this right hand.

• 2:35:25Speaker 02

  Mic drop.

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  Boom.

• 2:35:27Speaker 02

  Mic drop.

• 2:35:27Joe Rogan?

  The power in that. It's his, every ounce of his body. Watch how in slow motion he creeps in. Look at the explosion and the extension of his back leg.

• 2:35:37Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:35:37Joe Rogan?

  See that? The extension of the back leg, the turn of the shoulder, the back gets into it. Boom.

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  Look at his back. Oh, holy shit.

• 2:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Just fucking boom.

• 2:35:46Speaker 02

  That's over.

• 2:35:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, and he's done. And again, Jersey Joe Walcott was a legend.

• 2:35:51Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, oh.

• 2:35:52Joe Rogan?

  And then he hits him with the left hook on the way down.

• 2:35:54Speaker 02

  Oh, he's gone, dude.

• 2:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's dead.

• 2:35:55Speaker 02

  Gone.

• 2:35:56Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy how powerful that guy was.

• 2:35:59Speaker 02

  Before all the things.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  Before anything.

• 2:36:01Speaker 02

  The cold plunge, all of it, just...

• 2:36:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, no steroids, no nothing.

• 2:36:04Speaker 02

  Anger and having been molested.

• 2:36:05Joe Rogan?

  And eggs and an immigrant.

• 2:36:08Speaker 02

  From?

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Italy.

• 2:36:09Speaker 02

  Italy. I was thinking about this the other day, because I was in, uh, England. My brother lives there and I was like...

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  I believe his family was from Italy. I think he was a child of immigrants.

• 2:36:16Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed with Italian immigrants, because like, you go to Italy all the time, you're... Imagine like, the people that were like, nah. Like, the, how beautiful Italy, like, we pay to go. We pay to go to Italy to see that view for three days and they're like, ah, no thanks. I'd rather maybe get leprosy on a boat in the, for 10 weeks.

• 2:36:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know what life was like in the 1920s when my grandparents came over here, but it wasn't good in Italy.

• 2:36:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, no way.

• 2:36:39Joe Rogan?

  There was a lot of them came over from Ireland, from Italy.

• 2:36:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, bad news.

• 2:36:42Joe Rogan?

  And they came over before YouTube. They just, someone drew them a picture. "This is what it's like over there. You're gonna get a job."

• 2:36:48Speaker 02

  Imagine, like, when I look at what goes on in the comments section, and America's so torn apart, I'm like, wow. This wasn't ever gonna go any other way. Like, imagine, I'm obsessed with just the ocean, like, just... Imagine looking at the ocean in a boat and being like, alright, I'll get on that.

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:04Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  With your kid.

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  Only the craziest, like, people.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's why everyone on the east coast is so fucking insane. I always say that. I always say that the most violent, crazy fucking people are on the east coast. Why? Because they all, their grandparents came over on a fucking boat.

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  All their ancestors had toxoplasmosis, or whatever it was, and were just like, I'd rather.

• 2:37:23Joe Rogan?

  Definitely had that.

• 2:37:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd rather die and have frostbite and warm my frostbitten fingers in my, my wife's carcass, leprosy carcass, than not be able to worship who I want or say what I want.

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of that, too. I mean, that's what brought people over here initially. A lot of people came over for religious freedom. Which is a crazy thought, but like, the, the Quakers, like, what were those fucking people all about? Wasn't that a big part of why they came over here? Like, they were being persecuted in England?

• 2:37:51Speaker 02

  Which is so weird, because we go to England and pay to go in the churches now. I was like, waiting in line to go into England church.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  What was the deal with the Quakers? Were they like a cult? Like, are they around anymore? Are there any Quakers?

• 2:38:02Speaker 02

  Uncle Ben?

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Jamie says yes.

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Uncle Ben?

• 2:38:05Speaker 02

  Isn't he?

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  I think so.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  He's a good, good rice.

• 2:38:08Joe Rogan?

  I think so.

• 2:38:09Speaker 02

  It's, I don't know, I've been really into Amish, though. There's, um, I'm in like, Amish core algorithm where it's men, like, build barns in a day.

• 2:38:17Joe Rogan?

  Sexy, right?

• 2:38:17Speaker 02

  Dude, it's so hot.

• 2:38:21Speaker 02

  My porn is just watching men be useful, uh, and they'll just build a barn and just like, the Amish life. I feel like we're all kind of trying to go like, how do I get chickens? How do I self-sustain? How do I, like?

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Some guys think it's hot when women cook. Same reason, same thing. It's like sexy.

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  Cause they're gonna eat soon? Yeah, I mean.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, no, because a woman can cook.

• 2:38:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, a woman that's like, like, really into feeding you.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's a good woman. Like, a woman who wants to cook for you. She wants to cook for you. For a guy, that's hot.

• 2:38:48Speaker 02

  This whole thing of like, well, I'm not gonna cook for my man. It's like, you get to eat too. I mean, like, what are you gonna eat?

• 2:38:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you don't have to cook for your man. Like, I wouldn't expect anyone to cook for me. I think that's crazy to, I know how to cook. But there's something about somebody wanting to cook for you.

• 2:39:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:39:02Joe Rogan?

  It's wanting to do it. It's not doing it because it's a chore that you're making them do.

• 2:39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  It's like, if somebody does something nice for you because they want to, it's so much better than if you have to ask them and they don't want to do it, but they concede to doing it.

• 2:39:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:39:16Speaker 02

  No, I love that.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:18Speaker 02

  Also, I want to know what's going in your body.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, it used to be a valuable trait for someone to be building something.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  Like, a guy who could go out there and do something with his hands. Oh, that is a man that can provide a shelter.

• 2:39:32Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:39:32Joe Rogan?

  And if the roof breaks, he can fix it.

• 2:39:34Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is a good va- also, he can do hard shit. He's a guy who's got endurance. He's durable.

• 2:39:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also-

• 2:39:42Joe Rogan?

  He's not gonna fall apart like, "This job is too hard."

• 2:39:45Speaker 02

  There was a list of jobs that, like, were more likely to be replaced by AI and less likely. And for some reason, less likely was roofers.

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  Which I thought was interesting.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they're right. They're gonna have robots that can do a lot of things.

• 2:39:58Speaker 02

  Roofing.

• 2:39:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure, they'll have a roofing robot. That's not that difficult.

• 2:40:03Speaker 02

  A roofie robot? Cosby will just start using a roofie robot.

• 2:40:05Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna miss the value of a really fucking hard job. Because there's a value in a really hard job. And I know a lot of kids avoid hard jobs. And you shouldn't do a hard job for your whole life. But there's a real value in a hard job.

• 2:40:20Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:40:20Joe Rogan?

  And that- I had a job- well, I've had a bunch of construction jobs when I was a kid. Because my stepdad's an architect, so I worked on a lot of construction sites. But I also had a very good friend, Jimmy Lawless. Shout out to Jimmy. And when I was a kid, I worked with him. He was a year older than me, and he'd already graduated. He was a carpenter's apprentice at the time, I believe. He might have actually been a carpenter. And I just needed a job. And I think I was probably eighteen or nineteen. And I got a job working on this construction site. We were building a wheelchair ramp for a Knights of Columbus hall. And I had to carry cement and pressure-treated lumber all day. That was the job. I had terrible nutrition. I would, like, eat sub sandwiches and drink a Coca-Cola. And you're out there in the sun all day long. You're not hydrated.

• 2:41:05Joe Rogan?

  I was always dehydrated. And I was carrying cement and pressure-treated lumber all day. Which is a gross lumber that they have to soak in horrible chemicals.

• 2:41:15Speaker 02

  Ugh.

• 2:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pressure-treated lumber, like, you would get these splinters and they would get infected. It was nasty. Like, you're dealing with whatever the fucking chemical that they treat that thing with.

• 2:41:24Speaker 02

  You're the radioactive shiny girl.

• 2:41:26Joe Rogan?

  It's on your skin.

• 2:41:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:27Joe Rogan?

  And it's August, so you're sweating. So you're sweating like crazy. This shit is getting in your pores. You're carrying bags of cement. You're breathing cement dust all day long.

• 2:41:38Joe Rogan?

  And by two weeks, I quit. And when I did quit, I was, I was, it was, I was like, okay, now I know that if I don't get my shit together and figure something out in life, that that could be the best paying job that I can get.

• 2:41:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:41:53Joe Rogan?

  That whatever I got, that, I mean, it probably wasn't even 20 bucks an hour. I don't remember what you got paid.

• 2:41:57Speaker 02

  And if I get injured, I don't have health insurance.

• 2:41:58Joe Rogan?

  I didn't have shit. And I was clearly handling something that was toxic.

• 2:42:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:04Joe Rogan?

  All day long. Like, what is in pressure-treated lumber? What do they use there?

• 2:42:08Speaker 04

  It's supposed to be left outside to stop, like, insects and...

• 2:42:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's what it does. Like, termites can't eat it.

• 2:42:14Speaker 02

  I have a weird question, though.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking poison.

• 2:42:17Speaker 02

  Is today's version of a poisonous, dangerous job like that sitting at a desk looking at a computer all day?

• 2:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Ooh. Well, it very well could be, right? And don't they say that, like, LED lights are actually not good for you now?

• 2:42:28Speaker 02

  But just like, sitting at a desk that is, you know, you don't have a standing desk, you don't have one of these, whatever, scibians or whatever I'm sitting on. And you're like, I mean, people are just sending emails all day, like, is that...

• 2:42:38Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely bad for your back. It's tightened my lower back considerably. Um, I think a big part of it is sitting like this all the time. So I'm super conscious about it now, where I do a lot more lower back exercises than I ever used to do before.

• 2:42:52Speaker 02

  But you, I got that machine you told me to get, where you lift your back legs.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  Reverse hyper.

• 2:42:55Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Louis Simmons, who was a legend in powerlifting, he invented that because he crushed his discs. And they told him that he had to get his discs fused. And he said, "Well, if I crushed them, can I separate them?" And they're like, "No, it can't be done." And he's like, "I'll figure it out." So he made a machine. And you climb on this machine, and he realized that in the descending, you're actually decompressing your back.

• 2:43:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  And in the ascending, you're strengthening all the muscles around your back. It's a fucking genius piece of equipment.

• 2:43:26Speaker 02

  Genius.

• 2:43:27Joe Rogan?

  He was one of the rare people that I traveled to do a podcast with.

• 2:43:30Speaker 02

  Oh, cool. Yeah, I got, that's like, the main machine I kind of like have, but...

• 2:43:34Joe Rogan?

  It's the shit. He's also got a belt squat that he gave us before he passed. And, um, that, that machine's awesome, too. You put a belt around your waist, and then the cable goes down in between your legs, and you're standing on a platform, and there's a stack of weights behind you. So instead of doing squats, which are one of the best exercises of all time. But the problem with squats is, if you're squatting heavy, you've got all that weight on your back. Okay, it's all your, if you've got like 400 pounds, you're squatting, if you're a beast, and you're fucking, you've got 400 pounds trying to crush all your discs. And the only thing that's keeping that from happening is your strength.

• 2:44:14Joe Rogan?

  All your fucking core muscles, your spine muscles, but you're compressing everything with that weight. With a belt, you're not.

• 2:44:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  So a belt is on your hips, and all the weight is down there, there it is. So that's me using it at his, at his place. And then he, uh, he gave us one.

• 2:44:30Speaker 02

  Is this a sit-down squat machine bullshit?

• 2:44:32Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:44:33Speaker 02

  It's these ones?

• 2:44:34Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, not at all. No, that's a leg press. That's, that's a very, very good machine.

• 2:44:39Speaker 02

  That's what I do. I just don't want my knees or something.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  The problem with that is, you ever see what happens when people lock their legs out and it bends backwards?

• 2:44:45Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 2:44:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it snaps backwards. Jamie, pull that shit up. I hate this, like, I hate this one. Pull that shit up.

• 2:44:54Speaker 02

  I'm calling HR.

• 2:44:54Joe Rogan?

  People need to know, you need to know that this can happen, because I saw it happen to a lady once in one of these videos that looked like she'd never worked out before.

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  I saw the one with the guy sphincter came out, and I was just...

• 2:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, don't, ah, without us getting in on it.

• 2:45:04Speaker 02

  I was in...

• 2:45:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm just like, getting ready to see what I'm gonna find.

• 2:45:05Speaker 02

  I was in the sphincter algorithm. I don't want to get in the knee snap algorithm.

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  Uh, well, as a person who's had three knee surgeries, I don't enjoy it.

• 2:45:13Speaker 02

  I have all sorts of slotters in my left knee, so I just have to, like... And when you squat, are your, are your knees supposed to go over your toes or not?

• 2:45:19Joe Rogan?

  I do, you, you 100% can.

• 2:45:21Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:45:22Joe Rogan?

  You 100% can, especially, you could build up to it. I do knees over toes stuff.

• 2:45:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:27Joe Rogan?

  I had that guy, knees over toes guy on the podcast, he's amazing.

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  I follow him.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  You should, everybody should follow him.

• 2:45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  He's 100% right.

• 2:45:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:35Joe Rogan?

  He's one, I mean, I will tell you 100%, like, there's no room for error, that guy's right.

• 2:45:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:41Joe Rogan?

  He has, uh, an amazing protocol for strengthening all the muscles around your knees.

• 2:45:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  I followed it, is radically changed the progression of the injury, and made my legs stronger than it was before the injury.

• 2:45:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. I also do weighted vests kind of all day.

• 2:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you really?

• 2:45:56Speaker 02

  It's only like 30 pounds, what I do, because...

• 2:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's the Gary Brekka move.

• 2:45:59Speaker 02

  Oh, is it?

• 2:46:00Joe Rogan?

  30 pounds is a lot. You're carrying a 30-pound weight vest on?

• 2:46:03Speaker 02

  I have a 30 and I have a 15.

• 2:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:46:05Speaker 02

  So I realized that with my kid, I'm, I'm bending over so much and picking him up so much. I was like, I could probably like, kind of work out all day if I really just like, wear a weighted vest, so...

• 2:46:13Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of weight to wear.

• 2:46:15Speaker 02

  It's gotten taken from me at TSA a couple of times, but I'll just get it done.

• 2:46:17Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. They take it, they...

• 2:46:19Speaker 02

  If it's the plates...

• 2:46:20Joe Rogan?

  You're like, jihad, just kidding, just kidding!

• 2:46:24Speaker 02

  I'm like, you think that's the worst thing in my bag?

• 2:46:26Joe Rogan?

  You're holding it onto a pen?

• 2:46:28Speaker 02

  Three off from the fucking gun I have in my purse.

• 2:46:31Joe Rogan?

  Do you have like a digital recorder in your pocket that looks like you're ready to press a button? Put the vest back in the suitcase, ma'am.

• 2:46:40Speaker 02

  It's just like anthrax, chill. But yeah, they take it every now and then, but I kind of have just tried to wear it like kinda all the time. And then I'll do whenever I'm writing. Like if I am sitting down, I'm going like, I have to make sure that this sitting down, which is so bad for me, there's something else happening. So Huberman gave me the, um, it's called, it's a red light, but it's like sauna space or it's just a bulb, one big red light bulb. That's the same as the, like the juve or something that's like a bunch of little red lights.

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, if it's working for you, it must be.

• 2:47:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I think so.

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I'm not a red light expert, but I bought Gary Brekka's machine.

• 2:47:13Speaker 02

  Oh, the full body guy?

• 2:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Big giant crazy body machine. It's the shit.

• 2:47:18Speaker 02

  Can you go in there and just like fall asleep or something?

• 2:47:20Joe Rogan?

  I do fall asleep, but I'm always tired. I'm always doing too much. But when I get in there, it's 20 minutes. I just lay there for 20 minutes and 100% it's helping with my eyesight.

• 2:47:32Speaker 02

  But you keep your eyes open. You don't put the glass. Sometimes they give you like glasses and.

• 2:47:35Joe Rogan?

  Fuck your glasses. Fuck your glasses. I'm, I'm here to tell you, I'm living proof. Unless somehow or another my eyes are getting damaged and I don't realize it. How are they getting better then? Why, why is my vision better?

• 2:47:45Speaker 02

  Well, that's the other thing with all this.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Why does it not bother me at all? It doesn't seem that strong when it's in my eyes. It's not like I'm like, oh my God, I can't look at it.

• 2:47:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:52Joe Rogan?

  If it was that bad to look at, wouldn't it be hard to look at? Like the sun is hard to look at because it's bad to look at.

• 2:47:58Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, bright lights, we're like, Jesus Christ, it's hard to look at. This is not hard to look at at all.

• 2:48:03Speaker 02

  But it's also like with a lot of this.

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  That's my meathead logic. It don't hurt, don't worry.

• 2:48:08Speaker 02

  Meathead logic is like, it's, we're, we're so suspicious of like simplicity, which like, does it work for you? Yes, then it works. You know what I mean?

• 2:48:16Joe Rogan?

  If it works, it works. That shit works.

• 2:48:18Speaker 02

  Cause we're all like.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  But there's a ton of science behind red light therapy.

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Including like what frequency it's at. Cause this one that he has, it's attached to an app. And you go through the app and you could change it for different effects.

• 2:48:32Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:48:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how much of that's real.

• 2:48:34Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. It's like, dude, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I, as a, as an aspiring snake oil salesman, you know, I remember I was with a friend of mine, uh, who's a big like lawyer in LA and we're, we're kind of more friends. He worked with Pryor and he just got all these stories. Like he was there the day that Michael Jackson's hair caught on fire. Like he was at the commercial. Like he's more like just my buddy and, you know, we were outside and, um, there were like mosquitoes and I had this like citronella candle, you know, and I was like, oh, let me light the candle. So the mosquitoes and he's like, those don't work. And I was like, it's citronella. Okay. I'm gonna light it so that we don't get mosquito bites and get bitten with whatever, whatever's in the fentanyl water of this state. And, um, he's like, it doesn't work. And I was like, yes, it does. And he's like, no, it doesn't. I was like, how do you know? He's like, cause my dad invented it. It's fake.

• 2:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, that's hilarious.

• 2:49:17Speaker 02

  But like it also, the flame, he was like, the flame does deter them a little bit. So it doesn't not work, but it's like, you know, so I'm fascinated by those things. And also, I don't know if when you were broke, you ever just did like weird ass shit. Like I used to do studies, like when I first moved to LA.

• 2:49:30Joe Rogan?

  No. You were like a lab rat?

• 2:49:33Speaker 02

  So here's the thing about studies is like, pretty much anyone can sign up and it's usually people that need 50 bucks like now.

• 2:49:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:41Speaker 02

  So that's already a pretty biased sample of people. People that are like,

• 2:49:44Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:49:44Speaker 02

  Like in, like in DTs basically, like shaking, needing drugs, like this minute and you get $50 cash. And the more you talk and the more you complain, the more they'll ask you back. So I'm not gonna say these big companies that I did stuff for, but like, you know, everything from food to skincare to, I mean, I did a lot of pharmaceutical trials at colleges that like the pill never came out. Like the FDA never approved it. Like there's things where I'm like, wait, did that ever get passed or I just took that for a month? Or what was the, you know, but I also, I took Accutane. I took all kinds of stuff. That's like, you know, bad news, but, um, you know, so, look, in studies, like it's, it's kind of the same group of people, like where I was, it was like, there were a lot of, by pink dot is where I used to live.

• 2:50:29Speaker 02

  And there were all these like office buildings you would go in. It was usually like 20 people. And most of them just want to get the fuck out of there. I would be like, so yeah, no, I used-

• 2:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Did you see some of the same people over and over again?

• 2:50:39Speaker 02

  There was like seven or eight people. We would all go to every study and we'd all get called back. Okay, and you get to know them outside of the study. And then now when I like look at like side effects of a pill and it's like drowsiness, I'm like, that's Jocelyn dude, that's her, she's always drowsy though. She's drowsy even when she's not in the study, like are we hung out, but like these are people that always would like like headaches, like he always has a headache dude, I saw him before he took that pill. Like he's always complaining about headaches, like these are human beings that just say what they have to say to try to get into more studies. I'm not saying this isn't all true, like-

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:51:15Speaker 02

  I'm just fascinated because as someone who was a flawed desperate person who needed fifty dollars, I was very much like, well, what about this? Yeah, and by the time they ask you if you have it, you probably do, they're like, did this cause anxiety? I'm like, well, I'm in a study for money, so yeah, I have anxiety now that I think about it. If I wasn't anxious before, you just made me realize how much my life sucks, like, like, it was like UCLA would be like depression, if you have depression, come do this study. It's like, even if I don't have it now, by the time I get to the study, I'll be depressed that this is my life, so sure. You know, so studies, I'm always a little bit like, and who, what person, like the thing that gets thrown around a lot, I had a boy, and people always want to throw around like girls mature faster. It's like, it makes sense, but you're like, who

• 2:52:00Speaker 02

  put me in a cage with the guy that wanted to study boys and girls maturing?

• 2:52:06Speaker 02

  How, what do you, what do you, like, like you were watching girls and boys mature, or what do you, what is this?

• 2:52:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's human biology is fascinating, I don't-

• 2:52:14Speaker 02

  Physical maturity, emotional?

• 2:52:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't leave out the possi- well, both. Right? I think, but why wouldn't you want to study that? That's like one of the weirdest things that happens to people. Is you know when a person is an adult, well, we have an agreement. At eighteen, you get it.

• 2:52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay? So what's happening?

• 2:52:34Speaker 02

  How do you define-

• 2:52:35Joe Rogan?

  What's the process?

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  Is it physical maturity, is it-

• 2:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, girls are better in school. Uh, it seems like their minds develop faster, they believe their frontal lobe is fully formed quicker. With boys, I think it takes till they're twenty-five until your frontal lobe is fully formed. It's probably testosterone, which is like some, probably some kind of mental poison, which is probably why people associate testosterone with shitty behavior, right? Because there's probably part of it, at least, that's like a little bit toxic.

• 2:53:02Speaker 02

  They say boys should be moving when they're learning.

• 2:53:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, they also need to blow it out, and a lot of boys don't. They don't blow it out. So if you're out playing football, or wrestling, or doing something that's really hard to do, you're, you're at this weird stage of your life where you used to be a child, and then all of a sudden, you start getting testosterone?

• 2:53:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:22Joe Rogan?

  And then you're looking in the mirror, you're like, what the hell's happening to me? And you're a child, right? So you're thirteen, fourteen years old, your body's developing, it's fucking weird.

• 2:53:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:31Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. And then you start getting aggressive. Well, kids are, a lot of boys are aggressive early on, but a different kind of aggressive.

• 2:53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:37Joe Rogan?

  Like a violent, dangerous aggressive.

• 2:53:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:40Joe Rogan?

  Kids get fifteen and sixteen, and they start playing around with violence a lot more. And, you know, you have schoolyard fights that get pretty brutal. You know, things become different when boys become more dangerous.

• 2:53:51Speaker 02

  And that's a, like a primordial instinct to like, find the pecking order of the tribe, kind of thing?

• 2:53:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:56Speaker 02

  The Lord of the Flies type thing, or do you think, I want to go back to that in a second, or don't have to?

• 2:54:02Joe Rogan?

  But I was just gonna say, this is why it's probably important, because it's always associated with dumb people. And there's probably some accuracy to that. Because the, the people that I know that have been the most brilliant scientists, except for Huberman, there are a lot of them are very low testosterone males.

• 2:54:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  Right? And they're males that became like, very interested intellectual pursuits, and they're way better at it. Is it because they're better at it because they spent so much time doing it? Or is it because of the testosterone? Is it because these higher testosterone men are distracted all the time? They're more angry, and they're more horny, and they're more reckless, they want to fucking skydive and do crazy shit? Like, is that, is that what it is? Like, it might be, it might be a factor. And if these guys did have low testosterone, they'd probably be interested in being stimulated in some other way.

• 2:54:49Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Or is it just that intelligent people recognize that these are stupid pursuits?

• 2:54:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:55Joe Rogan?

  And I'm not interested, even if I have normal testosterone. Well, it's probably a combination of all those things.

• 2:54:59Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:55:00Joe Rogan?

  But it seems to be like, there's a lot. You associate a scientist with like a nerdy, weak guy. You associate a meathead as, you know, some jack guys being really fucking stupid.

• 2:55:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:55:10Joe Rogan?

  Why? Because we pattern recognize.

• 2:55:11Speaker 02

  Right, right, of course.

• 2:55:12Joe Rogan?

  But is it because they're actually dumber? Like, biologically? Or is it because they're dumber and they have more testosterone?

• 2:55:21Speaker 02

  I'm also fascinated by the way we define intelligence and maturity. By the way, I heard this quote the other day. I don't know who said it. It was in a, I don't know. But it was, because we spend so much time trying to gain intelligence. I want to know everything I need to be, you know. I want to learn, I want to learn, I want to, you know. And then, I think there's a certain point, maybe it's because I've had a kid, I'm sort of more interested in like wisdom. Especially also, when you've been around long enough and you've seen things you've found to be true be completely debunked. Like, remember when we all thought soy milk was healthy? And now, like, half my guy friends have tits and my girlfriend's tits all got cut off. I'm like, everyone I know has cancer. And I'm like, we were just like, deep-throating soy milk. Like, I, you know, so.

• 2:56:00Joe Rogan?

  How much glyphosate's in that stuff?

• 2:56:02Speaker 02

  After you've been conned enough, you're sort of like, you know, I think very skeptical about accepting these like new truths. And, look, we learned that the Native Americans and the pilgrims had like a fun dinner. They like got along great. Like, that's what, like, did you have, I had a mural in my school of the Native Americans and the pilgrims like having dinner. Like, having a great time. Like, I feel like that's not how it went down, you know? So, when enough things get sort of debunked, but this quote I loved, which is, "Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in the fruit salad." And, I like that.

• 2:56:36Joe Rogan?

  That's good. That's logical.

• 2:56:39Speaker 02

  You know, because, like.

• 2:56:40Joe Rogan?

  There's also, there's different kinds of intelligence.

• 2:56:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:43Joe Rogan?

  And there's the intelligence to be able to push yourself physically.

• 2:56:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:56:47Joe Rogan?

  It's, you don't think of it intelligence because it's not like equations, it's not problem-solving. But it is problem-solving. Because it's problem-solving emotions and anxiety and fear. And you're doing it with your willpower. That is, it's mental fortitude. It's a part of intelligence. It's just not a recognized part of intelligence for people that are absorbed with all the other pursuits. People that are really heavily absorbed with mathematics would never think that like endurance running is a mental pursuit. But it might be all mental.

• 2:57:17Speaker 02

  Well, that's it. The thing when you say like athletes, meatheads, like that's, I mean, football's all math. You know what I mean? It's like, I think we also just have this. We talk about stereotypes against women. We don't talk a lot of stereotypes about men. Like, he's an athlete, he must be dumb. You know what I mean? Like, there's just these kind of, I think, sort of silly assumptions. Like, you know, I'm obsessed with commercials from the 90s where every man just like had Down's syndrome. Like, remembering, like, every commercial, the woman was like, "I have to feed my husband." And he's just like, "Where's the front door?" Like, in sitcoms, men are always portrayed as if they just like have one chromosome, you know? And I'm sort of fascinated by that. But the definition, yeah, what does intelligence mean? Does it mean memorizing a bunch of stuff from a book? That like, wasn't, weren't our textbooks written by like Ghislaine Maxwell's dad or something? I'm dead serious.

• 2:58:03Joe Rogan?

  No, I think you might be right.

• 2:58:05Speaker 02

  Like, I...

• 2:58:06Joe Rogan?

  Is that it?

• 2:58:07Speaker 02

  It's...

• 2:58:08Speaker 04

  Without going too far, he did do something about consolidating a bunch of medical journals. The textbook thing, maybe.

• 2:58:15Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:58:16Speaker 02

  There was a history textbook that was like, and, you know, so memorizing a bunch of stuff that like may or may not be true, like, that's not intelligence necessarily. Like, you could be falling for a con. I think intelligence is sort of...

• 2:58:27Joe Rogan?

  Right. Like, we're talking about what Hubert Man said about medical journals.

• 2:58:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:58:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, that he had talked to that professor and he said, "What percentage?" The guy was like, "At least 50."

• 2:58:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:58:35Joe Rogan?

  Fifty percent is wild.

• 2:58:38Speaker 02

  And who paid for the other ones?

• 2:58:40Joe Rogan?

  That's so wild. Yeah, the idea that we know everything is crazy. Here's another weird thing that you, you said something that football's all math. There is this really weird thing that I was reading about the invention of mathematics. And they were, they were talking about one of the most, the biggest conundrums in the universe is that they invent this thing, humans invent this thing, to try to solve the universe, and they find out that the universe is encoded with it.

• 2:59:07Speaker 02

  Is this like the turtle shell is the calendar? This really stressed me out.

• 2:59:12Joe Rogan?

  I did see that. I did see that, but I didn't, I didn't look into that at all.

• 2:59:15Speaker 02

  That a turtle shell is...

• 2:59:16Joe Rogan?

  But this was like, I wanted to bring it up on here, see if we could fucking dive into what exactly this guy is saying. But essentially, he's saying the universe is made out of the thing that we invented to measure it.

• 2:59:28Joe Rogan?

  That's how he described it to my monkey mind, right? Like that math was something that human being like calculus, like advanced physics, like these crazy equations.

• 2:59:38Speaker 02

  Call Eric Weinstein immediately. Call Terrence Howard, someone.

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Call Eric Weinstein and he would explain differential equations. I don't understand what that even means. I can say those words.

• 2:59:47Speaker 02

  Right, right, right, right.

• 2:59:48Joe Rogan?

  But we invented it. Humans invented that so that they could figure out how the universe is made. Like what, what, what, what is the structure of things? How to measure things. But the universe itself is encoded with this. It's like it is made out of the thing that we invented to try to figure out what it is.

• 3:00:06Speaker 02

  My adjacent tangent while Jamie looks up whatever that is, uh, because I, I can't really respond to it except with this, um, uh, uh, sort of realization that all the movies that current tech, our Benjamin Franklins of our day grew up on, science fiction movies, in many ways formed what they believe a future should look like. Like you had someone on the podcast, someone sent me this clip about how you said like, how is AI going to kill us? And he goes, I can't tell you because I would never have thought of it. Like I can't think of it how? Like it wouldn't even occur to me to know what they would do.

• 3:00:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it'll do some slick Roy Jones Jr. shit on you. That's what it's gonna do. It's gonna do the Roy Jones Jr. of tech. And it's gonna do it where in a way that we could have never possibly thought that it would control us in that manner. And then it would just govern us and probably limit our breeding. And that would be a wrap.

• 3:00:59Speaker 02

  Like how tech bros like grew up watching weird science. So by the time they go to start inventing stuff, you know, like how that influenced the way that they invent things.

• 3:01:07Joe Rogan?

  I think AI is probably going to tell us to either adapt or go away. It's going to give us those options. Cause I just think it's going to say you can't keep doing the same thing over and over and over again and expect a different result.

• 3:01:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:21Joe Rogan?

  What you're talking about war and stealing money and embezzlement and fraud and the, the amount of money that's in politics and Congress and the amount of politicians that lie. You've been doing it this way forever, forever.

• 3:01:37Joe Rogan?

  If AI said, "Listen, you can't govern things anymore. You guys are super fucking corrupt."

• 3:01:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:42Joe Rogan?

  You're now gonna change. You can't do any of the things that you've been doing in terms of distribution of wealth, controlling of natural resources. What, you dug a hole in the ground so you get the world's oil? Fuck you.

• 3:01:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:53Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. You don't own the oil because you own the ground. It's literally a part of the world.

• 3:01:58Speaker 02

  So we'll take all the oil, distribute it to everybody?

• 3:02:00Joe Rogan?

  If I was AI, that's what I would be saying.

• 3:02:02Speaker 02

  To try to find some kind of-

• 3:02:03Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying, I'm not saying, "Oil to oil people, you don't own the oil."

• 3:02:06Speaker 02

  But then it kind of-

• 3:02:07Joe Rogan?

  AI would think that.

• 3:02:08Speaker 02

  So you think AI would have a concept of like fairness? And would, would go, everyone should have a certain amount of happiness? Or would AI go, "Well, this is how things have always been," so like-

• 3:02:17Joe Rogan?

  It would recognize that human beings are so destructive. And so often full of shit and manipulative and looking to just figure out a reason or a way that they can sneak something through or make something happen or overthrow a government.

• 3:02:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:35Joe Rogan?

  AI's gonna go, "You can't do it that way anymore."

• 3:02:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:37Joe Rogan?

  "We're not gonna give you that kind of power anymore because you guys are abusive every single time you get a lot of power." But then it's gonna be like, "Okay, what did the people do now? What if the people resort to violence?" And then it's gonna say like, "Look, you can't have any more fucking kids. You guys are making kids. They're not- You're gonna either have to integrate with us or you're gonna have to go away."

• 3:02:55Speaker 02

  So they're gonna go, "You have to fuck us." I guess you have to fuck us. Of course, that's always where it ends. So, but because AI is, is based on an amalgam of all of us, by that very nature, wouldn't it mean that they would abuse their power once they get it? They're gonna go, "You abuse power, but because we do."

• 3:03:11Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, but why are we doing it? Like, are we doing it because of chimp instincts?

• 3:03:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm reading this book, "The Chimp Paradox," recommended by Ronnie O'Sullivan. You ever heard of that book, "The Chimp Paradox"? That's what it's called, right? Make sure I get it right.

• 3:03:25Speaker 02

  Chimp Parado-

• 3:03:26Joe Rogan?

  But it's all about, uh, you have like a person in your head and a chimp in your head.

• 3:03:31Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:03:31Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta decide like when to listen to the chimp and when, yeah, that's it. That's the book. Very good book on mental management.

• 3:03:37Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:03:37Joe Rogan?

  And Ronnie O'Sullivan is like one of the greatest snooker players of all time, if not the greatest.

• 3:03:42Speaker 02

  The what's, what game?

• 3:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Snooker. They call it snooker. Snooker in England. It's a crazy cool game that's like a pool game, but it's a way bigger table. It's like a 12-foot table. And there's different rules. And I don't understand it totally. I don't know how the score goes. I don't, I don't, I've never played it. But this guy was just a fucking wizard at it. But like most wizards, he's a crazy person.

• 3:04:05Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 3:04:06Joe Rogan?

  He had a hard time managing his mind. You know, he'd just go off the rails and think he was useless and think he could never win.

• 3:04:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:04:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, and just whatever fucking mental demons you battle when you're truly brilliant at something.

• 3:04:16Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:04:17Joe Rogan?

  He recommended that book.

• 3:04:19Speaker 04

  Doug, I could just get into some weird space about Pythagoras's stuff. Some guy wrote an article about the math thing.

• 3:04:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:26Speaker 04

  That was kind of in the title.

• 3:04:28Speaker 02

  Humans and mathematics, it's what the world is made of.

• 3:04:30Speaker 04

  Paper he wrote about it.

• 3:04:32Joe Rogan?

  Pythagoras's Revenge. Most people think mathematics is a human invention. To this way of thinking, mathematics is like a language. It may describe real things in the world, but it doesn't exist outside of the minds of the people who use it. But the Pythagorean School of Thought in ancient Greece held a different view. Its proponents believed reality is fundamentally mathematical. More than 2,000 years later, philosophers and physicists are trying to take this idea seriously. As I argue in a new paper, mathematics is an essential component of nature that gives structure to the physical world. Honeybees and hexagons. Bees live in hives, produce hexagonal honeycomb.

• 3:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Why? According to the honeycomb conjecture in mathematics, hexagons are the most efficient shape for tilling the plane. If you want to fully cover a surface using tiles of a uniform shape and size while keeping the total length of the perimeter to a minimum, hexagons are a shape to use.

• 3:05:30Speaker 04

  Have you seen when someone tests if honey's real or not and they put honey on a plate and it just starts forming a hexagon?

• 3:05:36Speaker 02

  Sick!

• 3:05:37Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 3:05:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Is that real? That's nuts.

• 3:05:41Speaker 02

  Bees are so metal, dude.

• 3:05:43Joe Rogan?

  They are so metal. You know who's more metal?

• 3:05:45Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 3:05:47Joe Rogan?

  The wasps who behead the bees.

• 3:05:49Speaker 02

  Don't get me started on wasps. Aw, dude.

• 3:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Those wasps who come in and just wipe out an entire colony.

• 3:05:55Speaker 02

  There's a big ass wasp infestation, I think, coming next summer to California.

• 3:05:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wasps are scary.

• 3:06:00Speaker 02

  Dude, they, don't they, aren't they just assholes? Like, they don't even have predators? Like, they don't even serve any purpose except to just kick the shit out of these?

• 3:06:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what purpose they serve other than scare the fuck out of me. I've been stung by one before. Oh, really?

• 3:06:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Dude, I got stung by a wasp. You know, I, if you go underwater, they'll wait for you.

• 3:06:18Speaker 02

  They wait.

• 3:06:20Joe Rogan?

  They're like the Belgian Malinois of the inside world.

• 3:06:23Speaker 02

  They're just dicks. Like, they're just, instead of moving on, they wait. Whereas a bee, but a bee doesn't want to sting you. If you get stung by a bee, like...

• 3:06:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, a hornet can sting you over and over again. A wasp can sting you over and over again. A bee can only sting you once and it's dead. It's only stinging you to get you the fuck away from the queen.

• 3:06:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't want to sting you, yeah.

• 3:06:39Joe Rogan?

  They want you to get the fuck away from the queen, or get the fuck away from the hive. They don't just want to sting you for no reason.

• 3:06:44Speaker 02

  You had the bee lady, I think, on here. She DM'd me about something, because I was like, I was like, get bees out of my pool all the time when they're like drowning, even though they do have the ability to make their wings go so fast that they can get out of the water when they go in circles, so sick. But I was like rescuing them from my pool, and she was like, "If a bee is out, that means they're a forager bee, and they're gonna die in a couple of days anyway."

• 3:07:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you're risking your life to save this fucking bee?

• 3:07:05Speaker 02

  For like, just for two minutes, yeah.

• 3:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Trying not to drown.

• 3:07:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm just stopping Darwinism.

• 3:07:08Speaker 04

  I found a few videos. It could be bullshit, apparently, but it does, it is weird when you pour water into the honey, it starts forming...

• 3:07:16Joe Rogan?

  A hexagon?

• 3:07:17Speaker 04

  Like a honeycomb.

• 3:07:18Speaker 02

  Whoa!

• 3:07:19Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 3:07:19Speaker 04

  And they're saying it's like a memory, which everyone says that's bullshit, but it's doing something.

• 3:07:23Joe Rogan?

  How's that not just water bubbles mixed in with the honey?

• 3:07:27Speaker 04

  Uh, when people have done fake honey, it dilutes it in a different way, but someone, the top commenter here said they did the exact same thing, and it happened.

• 3:07:33Joe Rogan?

  That was one of the things that beekeeper lady was telling us, is a lot of honey's bullshit. It's got corn syrup in it.

• 3:07:37Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I mean, as I have my two jars of honey in front of me. But I do try, when I travel, to eat local honey when I land.

• 3:07:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she said that's bullshit too. That thing about it, like, helping your immune system. But I don't know how you would know that.

• 3:07:50Speaker 02

  Placebo effect is an effect, so, now what?

• 3:07:53Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's good for you, though. Honey's good for you. It's some, some good aspects to it.

• 3:07:56Speaker 02

  Manuka honey, anything on that, topically?

• 3:07:58Joe Rogan?

  I think that's a scam. She said they just had a good PR agent.

• 3:08:02Speaker 02

  Good for them.

• 3:08:03Joe Rogan?

  But there is psychedelic honey. Do you know about that?

• 3:08:05Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 3:08:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is wild, because the way they have to collect it, it grows on cliff sides. So these guys, they have to repel and risk their fucking life to get this honey that makes you trip balls. Because there's a special kind of flower, I guess, that has a psychedelic compound in it. And I don't know what that compound is. A guy brought it in. I tried it. It was interesting.

• 3:08:26Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:08:26Joe Rogan?

  Uh, he took, he said, just take a half a spoonful. So I said, fuck you, we're going in. I took the whole spoonful. I'm like, let's see. Let's see what's up. Um, it's something. There's something there.

• 3:08:37Speaker 02

  Is there something about the sugar or the?

• 3:08:39Joe Rogan?

  Just what it looks like, but see if you can show them harvesting, cause when they harvest, this is how they do it. How crazy is that? So this guy's on this giant rope ladder and probably doesn't have any safety equipment.

• 3:08:50Speaker 02

  Is that a mushroom? Oh, whoa.

• 3:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Those are all the hives. That's how they grow. Under cliffs.

• 3:08:55Speaker 02

  So sick. And what is it that if a bee stings you, does it help with inflammation? Like if you're?

• 3:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes it helps people with like arthritis and shit.

• 3:09:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:09:03Joe Rogan?

  Like bee stings, like people have used them to alleviate certain forms of arthritis. Make sure that's true.

• 3:09:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 3:09:08Joe Rogan?

  Pretty sure it's true.

• 3:09:10Speaker 02

  Or the, yeah, the pain is so severe that you just?

• 3:09:12Joe Rogan?

  You hear about the lady that fell out of a plane? I think she was skydiving. I think it was a skydiving exercise and uh, she landed on a um, a fire ant colony? And they kept her alive because they stung the fuck out of her and her adrenaline literally kept her alive.

• 3:09:27Speaker 02

  Is that also what I remember? I had my ear bit.

• 3:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. Look at that little motherfucker.

• 3:09:31Speaker 02

  So sick.

• 3:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Honey, bee sting therapy, how it works. Okay, how's it work? Click on it.

• 3:09:37Speaker 04

  This one says too risky for treating osteoarthritis. I think it's uh?

• 3:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, don't be a pussy. That's just because they had patented bees.

• 3:09:43Speaker 02

  I mean, isn't that what acupuncture is like based on?

• 3:09:45Joe Rogan?

  If they get, if they get patented bees, then they would make you do it.

• 3:09:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Bill Gates is buying all the bees.

• 3:09:50Joe Rogan?

  You, you need to get vaccinated for arthritis and it would be like arthritis is costing us so mu- arthritis is actually a disease. It's costing us so much money.

• 3:09:59Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 3:10:00Joe Rogan?

  And we've patented bees, so we're gonna, you got, you have to get stung by our bees.

• 3:10:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's so funny. It's like, it didn't NMN, didn't they start taking that off the market so they, they could make it prescription now or something?

• 3:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that true? They're probably trying to do a lot of that.

• 3:10:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, like all this.

• 3:10:16Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to keep like certain peptides from becoming legal. It's silly. It's silly. It's all good for people. I know you're not gonna make money off of it. Doesn't mean it's not good for the overall human race.

• 3:10:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:27Joe Rogan?

  You shouldn't be able to stop products that are super beneficial just because you can't profit off of them. That means you have a captive industry. That's not good for anybody. It's not good for you that you're allowed to do that. You shouldn't be allowed to do that. It's not good for anybody else. Peptides are really beneficial to people and some of them are okay as long as they're making a ton of money of them.

• 3:10:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:47Joe Rogan?

  Off them, like these Wegovy peptides.

• 3:10:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, the ones that like GLP-1 inhibitors, those, do you know the numbers of people that are on those now? It's kooky. It's like more than 10 million in this country. How mu- what's the number of people that are on, uh, GLP-1s?

• 3:11:04Speaker 02

  And is that also called?

• 3:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Ozempic?

• 3:11:07Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 3:11:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Wegovy, Ozempic. There's a bunch of different names for them. But they're basically, it's a GLP-1, it's a peptide.

• 3:11:14Speaker 02

  And I, I mean, there's good press about it, there's bad press about it. I, it's like, you know, the person I saw this morning, like, she's like, I lost 60 pounds. Like, I was gonna, like, it was, you know, she's like, even if there's side effects, like, I was gonna get diabetes, like, it was bad, you know?

• 3:11:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 3:11:29Speaker 02

  Like.

• 3:11:29Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 3:11:30Speaker 02

  Obesity was our big problem, so, you know.

• 3:11:32Joe Rogan?

  It's like almost everything.

• 3:11:34Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:11:34Joe Rogan?

  There's like goods and bads to stuff.

• 3:11:36Speaker 02

  Like I said, I took Accutane when I was, I think, 14 or 15, and they're like, oh, well, side effect is you're suicidal. I'm like, when you're 15 and you have acne, you're suicidal. Like, I'll take whatever the side effects are.

• 3:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Yo, this is nuts. Okay, no full year, uh, total, exact full year total. Uh, publicly available from major sources as data through September shows rapid growth but lacks a December closeout. True Veta data reports 12,203,009 GLP-1 prescriptions. From January 2018 to September 2025.

• 3:12:14Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 3:12:15Joe Rogan?

  12 million prescriptions is a lot. But I gotta think that's way more today, cause in 2018, you're not getting a lot of people, like, I would like to see like a chart of when it kicks in.

• 3:12:26Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:12:26Joe Rogan?

  So it's 6.5% of all US prescriptions, up slightly from prior quarters.

• 3:12:31Speaker 02

  And when your insurance companies, they should theoretically support it and pay for it.

• 3:12:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, definitely if you're morbidly obese.

• 3:12:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:37Joe Rogan?

  It'll prevent you from a lot of real problems of morbid obesity.

• 3:12:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:41Joe Rogan?

  If you can really get it together with this shit.

• 3:12:42Speaker 02

  And then when there's a bunch of negative stuff about it, I'm like, did the lap band pay for this?

• 3:12:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all, look, you can definitely have side effects.

• 3:12:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Like Brian Simpson took it and he, he had horrible side effects. He had to get off of it. But it, but it also, there's a lot of people that took it and they lost 100 pounds and they're way healthier than they would be before. It's just like. The way Brigham Buehler from Ways to Well described it, he said it's like it has to be taken conjunction with other things that are keep your body from wasting away. And you should be doing strength, like Peter Attia has talked about this as well. You should be doing strength training while you're doing it. Like, cause you will, you're gonna lose weight, cause you're not, you're at a calorie deficit, so you're gonna lose muscle too, and you're gonna lose bone density. So you gotta mitigate that. So there's an idea that they would combine them with, I think they did something with peptides, so they're like an IGF-1 along with this, and the two of them together keep you from wasting away.

• 3:13:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was doing like that Metformin for a minute, and I was like, yeah, you lose muscle mass, but you're like, ah, but also the effect of sugar, like, you know, so now I'll just take it every now and then when I eat like a lot of pasta, or I wanna have like a, you know.

• 3:13:45Joe Rogan?

  The Metformin one's very polarizing. A lot of people really believe in it, a lot of people think it's a crazy idea.

• 3:13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm like, I'm pretty steady, I do like the NMN, NR, which is like the Tru-Niagen stuff, I mean Hubermanism, just like telling me what to do, uh, NAC, uh, I'm like, I'm, sauna. And then also sometimes it's like the absence of things. Sometimes like, what are you doing, it's like, what are you not doing? Like, there's a point where you're just like, I, that person's an acquaintance, not a friend. Like, there's certain, like, I feel like, maybe it's when you become a mom, you have to also reassess like your emotional diet, or your mental diet of like, as well.

• 3:14:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you just have to do that as an adult, anyway. Otherwise, you're just gonna run into problems all the time that are totally avoidable. And then not, these people just, they make the same fucking mistakes over and over and over again.

• 3:14:35Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 3:14:36Joe Rogan?

  They drag you into their bullshit.

• 3:14:37Speaker 02

  And you don't wanna change. Like, you're, and like, you're addicted to adrenaline, I'm obsessed with all the addictions that aren't like, a substance, drugs, alcohol, it's like, oh, you're a gambling addict, just with women, or just with men, or like, you're an adrenaline, a drama addict, like, I can't...

• 3:14:50Joe Rogan?

  It's like, do you, this is how I say it, do you look forward to hanging out with that person? And if you don't, then it's a chore. If you, you look forward to hanging out with someone, like, even if they're crazy, it's like, ah, it's okay.

• 3:15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 3:15:02Joe Rogan?

  It's okay, this is fun. It's, it's, it's all like, what are we all doing? We're all trying to get along together, you know, and if we're, if one of us is not trying to do that, and one of us is out for self, and, you know, there's, there's certain people that are just... They just can't get their shit together.

• 3:15:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and desperate people do desperate stuff. And I think that with what we do, like, you know, it's interesting because some friendships, you know, they'll just be like, oh, come on the podcast. And it's like, we haven't hung out, though, either. Like, we don't text, like,

• 3:15:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:15:31Speaker 02

  Comics, I think.

• 3:15:31Joe Rogan?

  It becomes transactional. It starts feeling weird.

• 3:15:34Speaker 02

  Such a big part of what you've done, like, for comedy is, like, you know, that green room and having a space that's like, not on cam, like, comics, I think, started going so crazy during the pandemic, myself being one of them, because it's like, all of our conversations were monetized and for public consumption, we stopped just hanging out off camera.

• 3:15:51Joe Rogan?

  Right. And a lot of people are doing it remotely. So they were having podcasts remotely with their friends. That was like their only human interaction.

• 3:15:58Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 3:15:59Joe Rogan?

  That's so bad.

• 3:16:00Speaker 02

  Nothing I did during the pandemic should have been filmed. But like, you know, we also have to actively go out of our way to be off camera, too, guys, you know?

• 3:16:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, community is, like, it's so important.

• 3:16:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:16:12Joe Rogan?

  The people that don't think it's important just don't have it.

• 3:16:14Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 3:16:14Joe Rogan?

  If you have it and you have a bunch of friends and you get to hang out and have fun together, it's like, oh.

• 3:16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:16:19Joe Rogan?

  It's like, like, it's like stepping into a well of love, like,

• 3:16:24Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 3:16:24Joe Rogan?

  Ah, we're all here. What's up?

• 3:16:26Speaker 02

  And also, just like, like, you know, I don't have to tell you, you know, those comics that you, like, look up to so much, that they're legends, and then all of a sudden, they just stop being funny? And you're like, how did this happen? You know, whether it's because they've, you know, incubated themselves against, you know, doing what normal people do on a daily basis and, you know, assistants, but they've surrounded themselves, they're not friends with comics. It's always that. It's like, how did that person, they're just not friends with comics. And they don't have someone humbling them constantly and pushing back and giving them shit and...

• 3:16:55Joe Rogan?

  And all the motivations that got them to be funny when they were younger have been eliminated. Because almost all of it is to try to get extra attention.

• 3:17:01Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 3:17:01Joe Rogan?

  From girls or from your friends, you're trying to be funny. You have no motivation to be funny anymore because everybody loves you and you're rich.

• 3:17:08Speaker 02

  And being a comic is a lot, I think, of like, having almost intentional contrarian Tourette's, where you'll just say some shit that, like, may, it's a crazy premise, like, sometimes stand-up, stand-up is like saying something that isn't true and then proving it, you know? And to say some, and have someone fight back with you. That's why I think comics, when people are like, why do comics talk about woke culture so much? It's like, because we see disagreeing as an interesting conversation. You guys see it as fascism?

• 3:17:35Joe Rogan?

  And like- Also, woke culture is trying to dictate what people can and can't say. And we can disagree. And you can't tell me what I can and can't say. My body, my choice, but not what your mouth does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't just decide, and you can't just start saying punch a Nazi. Like, settle down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Figure out what a Nazi really is. Yeah. What are you saying? That's what- You're a Nazi because you, you know, you don't think biological males should be competing with women in sports? Because I've heard that thrown out that way. Well, that's crazy talk. You don't get to define things like that. That's what you're doing when you're fighting against woke culture. You're fighting against nonsense that can't stand up to facts. And the thing about things that stand up to facts is, people usually don't defend them violently. Hmm. They usually discuss them clearly, because it's obvious. Yeah.

• 3:18:19Joe Rogan?

  This one, you, it's not backed up by facts. Yeah. So, the opposition of it is like violent and angry. Like, they, they want to stop debate. They want to stop conversation. This is what the problem with woke culture is. What it is, it's just an ideology, like any other one. It's got its own rules. And because it's not based on logic, it has to be very angry. It has to scare you. Do people look at hippies like this in the seventies? They wanted to do that. That's how the CIA tricked the fucking, the hippies into doing all that Manson shit. Hmm. That's what they were trying to do with the whole Charles Manson. Have you ever read that Tom- The Ca- uh, what's it called? Chaos, yes. I have it. I've started it. Tom O'Neill's book. It's fucking incredible. Can't recommend it enough. Yeah, I need to read it.

• 3:19:03Joe Rogan?

  But it's all about them discrediting, so they were terrified of the love movement. They were terrified of all these people that were taking acid and going to Woodstock. And they were like, Jesus Christ, we're, we're losing the cultural battle. And so, they got together with Charles Manson and gave him a bunch of acid and taught him how to mindfuck people. And this guy went out and killed a bunch of people, and they blamed it on the hippies. They're like, oh my God. Yeah. We gotta make acid illegal. They made acid illegal like that year. And then the whole world went kooky. They shut down all the psychedelics. That was the sweeping Schedule One act of 1970. When was the Manson murders? What year was the Manson murders?

• 3:19:43Speaker 02

  And while you're finding that, I'm obsessed with CIA. The Philippines operation, the 50s, where they made it look like vampires. Suck the blood of a bunch of the rebels. Have you seen this?

• 3:19:53Joe Rogan?

  Did they really? I've heard about this before. I forgot about it.

• 3:19:56Speaker 02

  It's so sick.

• 3:19:57Joe Rogan?

  69. So the Manson murders happened in 69?

• 3:20:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:20:00Joe Rogan?

  In 1970, acid, mushrooms, DMT, all that stuff becomes illegal.

• 3:20:07Joe Rogan?

  Schedule One.

• 3:20:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:20:09Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. They threw water on a movement of people abandoning this path that they see their family on, their mother and their father, and they're not happy. And these people are dying unhappy. And they're getting heart attacks, and they're dropping dead at 60. And these kids are saying, "I don't want that in my life. I want to follow the Grateful Dead.

• 3:20:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:20:31Joe Rogan?

  I want to make art. I want to dance. I want to go to music festivals. I'll figure out how to live." And they were like, "No fucking way. We don't want war. Make love, not war." What? Americans in the street?

• 3:20:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:20:42Joe Rogan?

  Saying, "Love, not war." Never before. Not 1947, right? Think about the end of World War II. You couldn't imagine Americans in the street. But in 1967, they're doing it. 1967, they don't want to go to Vietnam. And they're saying, "No to war." And they're in the street, and they're wearing flowers. They call them flower children.

• 3:21:03Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 3:21:04Joe Rogan?

  So they had to turn them into monsters. And so they got Manson.

• 3:21:07Speaker 02

  Women had to wear bras again. Nightmare. All that stuff. Like, I got in a wormhole on the CIA and Hendrix and Cobain. I'm like, I just can't. There's certain things I...

• 3:21:18Joe Rogan?

  I think they have their fingers in probably everything they can get their fingers in.

• 3:21:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:21:22Joe Rogan?

  All of it.

• 3:21:23Speaker 02

  And do they have to?

• 3:21:25Joe Rogan?

  I think they do.

• 3:21:26Speaker 02

  Like, if they didn't?

• 3:21:27Joe Rogan?

  But the problem is they have power that they probably shouldn't have. And then, there's always going to be some crazy guy who keeps pushing things. And next thing you know, you're selling coke in Nicaragua.

• 3:21:36Speaker 02

  Dude, this guy, so it was, there was some like myth in the Philippines about this like vampire that would kill people, whatever it was, and then they, in the middle of the night, take these rebels that they need to deal with, and they drain them of their blood and put, sorry, puncture, I'm just obsessed with the guy that had to do the puncture marks, like there's a guy who had to like do the vampire marks, and so that everybody woke up, and these rebels that they were following, they saw that they had been attacked by vampires in it.

• 3:22:01Joe Rogan?

  How did they kill them before they drained their blood?

• 3:22:04Speaker 02

  Jimmy.

• 3:22:06Joe Rogan?

  How many dudes did they whack, too? That's kinda crazy.

• 3:22:08Speaker 02

  That's so wild.

• 3:22:09Joe Rogan?

  That's a great idea.

• 3:22:10Speaker 02

  So sick, that's what I'm saying.

• 3:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you were a fucking soldier and you thought you were really in a Blade movie? You thought this shit was real? Like, if you were living in the Philippines, and what, I mean, I don't know what their education was, right? I imagine it's not the best.

• 3:22:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:22:24Joe Rogan?

  If you're, you're fighting vampires.

• 3:22:26Speaker 02

  Right, or you think vampires are, yeah.

• 3:22:27Joe Rogan?

  You think vampires are real.

• 3:22:28Speaker 02

  But imagine being the guy who was like, "That's not real," the Philippines guy that's like, "That's not real," and then it was like, "Oh shit," like...

• 3:22:34Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 3:22:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, or the guy who's like, "Told ya!"

• 3:22:37Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 3:22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, just the Kurt Metzger who's like, "Told ya!"

• 3:22:41Joe Rogan?

  And what year was this?

• 3:22:42Speaker 02

  The 50s?

• 3:22:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 3:22:44Speaker 02

  It's the Ashwaga, was it called the Ashwaga was the name of the vampires they were scared of?

• 3:22:52Joe Rogan?

  People are so nuts. They really are so fucking nuts.

• 3:22:55Speaker 02

  But this is like when you read this stuff about the CIA and you're like, "What are they doing now to make it look like this?" And it's really that.

• 3:23:01Joe Rogan?

  So the CIA Combat Psywar Squad, and so it says the Psywar Squad set up an ambush along the trail used by the Hucks. When a Huck patrol came along the trail, the ambushers silently snatched the last man of the patrol, their move unseen in the dark night. They punctured his neck with two holes vampire fashion, held the body up by its heels, drained it of blood, and then put the corpse back on the trail. When the Hucks returned looking for the missing man and found their bloodless comrade, every member of the patrol believed that the Aswang had got him, and that one of them would be next if they remained on that hill. When daylight came, the whole Huck squadron moved out of the vicinity. Wow, what a gangster move.

• 3:23:44Speaker 02

  CIA-trained squad.

• 3:23:45Joe Rogan?

  How many times did they do it?

• 3:23:48Speaker 02

  So sick.

• 3:23:49Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, what's the numbers of people that they did it to? Apparently only used once.

• 3:23:56Speaker 02

  To dislodge a squadron of...

• 3:23:57Joe Rogan?

  So it was only one time that they did one guy?

• 3:23:59Speaker 02

  Oh, it was only one body?

• 3:24:01Joe Rogan?

  What a dope move.

• 3:24:02Speaker 02

  So sick. That's all you gotta do to let the fear spread. I love that shit.

• 3:24:06Joe Rogan?

  I would run off that fucking mountain. I'm not convinced vampires aren't real. I'm not convinced.

• 3:24:12Speaker 02

  I see, I see what I saw. I know what I saw. Even if it's an animal.

• 3:24:15Joe Rogan?

  I think mathematically, they can't exist. I think someone has actually done the numbers on this. That mathematically vampires would wind up killing everyone.

• 3:24:26Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 3:24:27Joe Rogan?

  It would be nothing but vampires.

• 3:24:28Speaker 04

  Someone else researched it and said that they might not have even worked because they didn't have a vampire-like lore in the region. They had something else where they said that they fed on fetuses of pregnant woman.

• 3:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Fed on fetuses of pregnant woman. Ugh.

• 3:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but either way, it's a monster that drained the guy of its blood by biting him in the neck.

• 3:24:51Speaker 02

  But it's also like, there's not vampires. Oh, there's just the American CIA. Even worse. I'd rather there be fucking vampires, dude. Fuck!

• 3:24:59Speaker 04

  From the CIA guy.

• 3:25:00Speaker 02

  If they even tried to do it, we're all so fucked.

• 3:25:03Joe Rogan?

  Which description was from the CIA guy?

• 3:25:05Speaker 04

  That one that you read was from Lansdale, and Lansdale is this guy who...

• 3:25:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that guy's a vampire. What are you talking about?

• 3:25:11Joe Rogan?

  So he's the ad exec turned CIA operative who masterminded the plot. What a fucking genius move.

• 3:25:16Speaker 02

  I love shit like that. But there's something going on here right now that is that.

• 3:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Being in a room doing coke and pitching that idea.

• 3:25:24Speaker 02

  Okay, guys, I have an idea.

• 3:25:27Joe Rogan?

  Fucking vampires!

• 3:25:29Speaker 02

  You know that hole puncher that we use down here? I have an idea. And for everyone was like, for a second...

• 3:25:34Joe Rogan?

  How about you snatch the guy and you have to keep him from yelling, so if you cover his mouth, he's gotta be the last guy on the patrol, you have to snatch him so the guy right in front of him doesn't hear it?

• 3:25:46Speaker 02

  That's a lot of muffling.

• 3:25:47Joe Rogan?

  You gotta keep him from screaming, you gotta hold on to his body, keep him from fighting back.

• 3:25:51Speaker 02

  Don't you think they put some, like a needle with a...

• 3:25:53Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't sound like they did.

• 3:25:54Speaker 02

  Not yet.

• 3:25:55Joe Rogan?

  It sounds like they just held that guy and cut his fucking neck and then hung him up by his ankles.

• 3:25:59Speaker 02

  This is always my thing. If this is what we know, what do we not know?

• 3:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we don't know a lot.

• 3:26:03Speaker 02

  Right? Anything.

• 3:26:04Joe Rogan?

  We don't know a lot.

• 3:26:05Speaker 02

  Especially when crazy stuff comes out. I'm like, if this is like, Epstein, this whatever, if this is what they told us,

• 3:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:26:10Speaker 02

  it's so bad.

• 3:26:11Joe Rogan?

  They did one vampire thing? That was the first time they ever did that?

• 3:26:13Speaker 02

  They had to practice, they had to practice a couple times.

• 3:26:16Joe Rogan?

  A few times, it didn't work at all.

• 3:26:18Speaker 02

  They had to practice blindfolded.

• 3:26:19Joe Rogan?

  They had to kill everyone.

• 3:26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:26:22Joe Rogan?

  Lansdale brags about an improvised bit of homemade voodoo he called "The Eye of God." It was based on a WWII psywar tactic of learning the names of individual German officers and announcing on the battlefield over loudspeakers that they'd be the next to die if they didn't surrender. Holy shit.

• 3:26:39Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 3:26:39Joe Rogan?

  Lansdale's twist was to paint a cryptic symbol he called "The Eye of God" outside the homes of suspected HUCK sympathizers. "The mysterious presence of these malevolent eyes the next morning had a sharply sobering effect," wrote Lansdale. That's crazy.

• 3:26:55Speaker 02

  Isn't it like...

• 3:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Lansdale.

• 3:26:57Speaker 02

  Does stuff like that make you feel like...

• 3:26:59Joe Rogan?

  People are monsters.

• 3:27:01Speaker 02

  Like, we're like fake news. News has just always been, like, maybe this is the realist, truest news we've ever had? When you think about back then, it was all just gossip.

• 3:27:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, um, well, I think they definitely controlled the news way better back then.

• 3:27:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:27:16Joe Rogan?

  And they can do things like the Gulf of Tonkin.

• 3:27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:27:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, where they just decide that they're gonna pretend that we got attacked so that we can go to war. And who knows how many people died because of that? And that's crazy that they did it and got away with it.

• 3:27:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:27:27Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's a real tactic.

• 3:27:29Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 3:27:29Speaker 04

  Well, I think this is the crazy part, is that he was an ad whiz for all these companies. And then he volunteered to go to the army, and they recognized his special talents.

• 3:27:38Joe Rogan?

  He's like, "I'm not getting enough evil done working for Nabisco."

• 3:27:41Speaker 04

  And he's the pioneer of psychological operatives.

• 3:27:44Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 3:27:47Speaker 04

  Busted psyops.

• 3:27:48Speaker 02

  This is fascinating because this is like, I've worked, I'm, I sell jeans that cost $10 for $80. Like, trust me, I know how to trick people. Like, it's so fascinating when you're like, people went from working in an ad agency to sell products to like, convincing people vampires were real.

• 3:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Fucking genius.

• 3:28:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:28:08Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's genius.

• 3:28:09Speaker 02

  I love that shit.

• 3:28:10Joe Rogan?

  Genius. What a great idea.

• 3:28:12Speaker 02

  And what's the genius thing now that we're being convinced of? That's like...

• 3:28:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I bet they do some of the stuff just for fun to keep practicing.

• 3:28:19Speaker 02

  Remember like charcoal toothpaste was a thing?

• 3:28:20Joe Rogan?

  I use that every day.

• 3:28:22Speaker 02

  Charcoal in your mouth?

• 3:28:23Joe Rogan?

  In my mouth.

• 3:28:24Speaker 02

  Works.

• 3:28:25Joe Rogan?

  Works.

• 3:28:25Speaker 02

  Cause charcoal absorbs.

• 3:28:28Joe Rogan?

  It cleans your teeth. It's really good at cleaning your teeth.

• 3:28:31Speaker 02

  Where did we land on this root canals are bad thing?

• 3:28:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't know about that. I've been, I'm meaning to talk to my orthodontist about it. I haven't had a chance.

• 3:28:38Speaker 02

  I'm just trying to figure out.

• 3:28:39Joe Rogan?

  But I know a bunch of people that are thinking about getting their root canals removed and getting a post put in. I'm like, is that better? You're gonna get a fucking drill bit?

• 3:28:47Speaker 02

  But isn't it more about opening it and bacteria getting in and getting into your lining of your brain?

• 3:28:51Joe Rogan?

  I can't.

• 3:28:52Speaker 02

  I know, me too. I'm like, dude, I've been sucking on coconut oil and doing black seed oil in my mouth. And it's like, tell me what to do. I'll start eating charcoal if that's what needs to happen. So this is, I don't know. But like, yeah, what are the things that we're kind of like falling for right now or being scared of? Like, I feel like there are a lot of tests, like dro-

• 3:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, what are the things that are bothering us that we don't know about, like the iridium girls? Like, what about wifi? What if we find out that wifi is making us less and less in tune with our life? Or less in tune with our environment, or dulls a certain part of your brain?

• 3:29:25Speaker 02

  I think with or without the like beams harming us, the phone is doing that anyway, right?

• 3:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Has there, has there been any long-term studies on sci-fi, or excuse me, cellphone sci-fi? Cellphone signals on their interference with things other than bees? Cause I know they do interfere with bees.

• 3:29:43Speaker 02

  Well, isn't that, was that confirmed because it was also, could have been fertilizer and-

• 3:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think there's something, there's a reason why they believe that it has an impact. What is the reason why they think cellphone signals have an impact on bees? I think that's not pseudoscience. I think that's, I think there's a real reason for believing that.

• 3:30:01Speaker 02

  Because they, I mean the-

• 3:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Something about how they navigate and, you know, what they do, that those signals that are in the air with them could fuck them up. I don't understand.

• 3:30:09Speaker 02

  I'm on, I have a lot of wifi at my house and I have bees fucking everywhere. Um, but yeah.

• 3:30:14Joe Rogan?

  That may be why.

• 3:30:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, maybe it's a like-

• 3:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's like 11 when they turn on the sirens.

• 3:30:19Speaker 02

  When I, when I, um, was pregnant, I was listening to like whale sounds a lot.

• 3:30:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's so crazy.

• 3:30:25Speaker 02

  And I, cause when you have a baby and you, it's like an amphibian, it's breathing-

• 3:30:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:30:31Speaker 02

  Fluid, right?

• 3:30:32Joe Rogan?

  That's smart.

• 3:30:32Speaker 02

  And then I was like, but what if these whales are like fighting? Like, I don't know what they're saying.

• 3:30:35Joe Rogan?

  They're saying a bunch of racist shit.

• 3:30:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes, cellphone signals can affect bees, causing behavioral changes like increased agitation and worker piping and alarm sound indicating disturbance. Those sensationalized claims linking them directly to mass colony collapse are not fully supported by science. Studies show bees are sensitive to the electromagnetic fields from active phones disrupting their normal communication and potentially leading to disorientation. So here's the thing, do we know if it affects us? Like, we don't really know. I mean, there's a lot of people that, oh, EMF man. And then there's a lot of people like, oh, it's all bullshit. But what is the reality? Do we really know? And isn't all this stuff fairly recent?

• 3:31:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, there is, Jamie, you can find this and I won't, um, to corroborate it, cause I won't know the exact year, but their, T-Mobile had put aside, like, a lot of money for, for possible lawsuits with all this stuff. So I did, I did, you know, I always have some weird side thing.

• 3:31:34Joe Rogan?

  When you made a documentary on violence.

• 3:31:36Speaker 02

  That's right, on, uh, Calcio Storico, with Pete Berg, by the way. Um, and, uh, I still wanna go. I still wanna go. It's in Flor- it's in Flor- it's every June. Wouldn't you wanna go?

• 3:31:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:31:46Speaker 02

  To see Calcio Storico?

• 3:31:48Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:31:48Speaker 02

  That would be so- That'd be so sick.

• 3:31:51Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:31:51Speaker 02

  Um, because it's not trained fighters, it's just like butchers and...

• 3:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those guys are trained.

• 3:31:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, they're, they're not like professional, I mean.

• 3:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know about that.

• 3:31:59Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 3:31:59Joe Rogan?

  Some of them look like they absolutely knew how to fight.

• 3:32:02Speaker 02

  Agreed. They train all year to do this, but they're not like, um...

• 3:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Is that sure? Are you sure that they don't have any MMA fights or anything?

• 3:32:08Speaker 02

  Maybe, I don't know.

• 3:32:09Joe Rogan?

  I'm watching some of those guys, I'm like, that guy looks like he's fought.

• 3:32:12Speaker 02

  They're all training all year for this thing, but I think they have other jobs, like professionally. It's kinda like, and it's...

• 3:32:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, okay.

• 3:32:19Speaker 02

  You know, but, but yeah, they all look like they're like...

• 3:32:21Joe Rogan?

  But not all of them, just like a few guys look like ringers.

• 3:32:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:32:24Joe Rogan?

  When I'm watching it, I'm, you know, I'm watching these guys duke it out, some guys look like they belong there, and other guys look like, that's an MMA fighter.

• 3:32:30Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 3:32:31Joe Rogan?

  That's a guy who's throwing leg kicks.

• 3:32:33Speaker 02

  And they say that crime goes down in the region to zero during that month.

• 3:32:40Joe Rogan?

  I mean, why, why, why am I opposed to that when I'm not opposed to MMA? I don't know.

• 3:32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah, it's, I mean, it's, it probably just will annoy you to watch people so bad at this, getting...

• 3:32:49Joe Rogan?

  No, no, it's not even that, it's just like, I worry that we're moving in a direction where violence is team violence. Team violence like that leads to fucking war. Like, individual violence is a one-on-one person.

• 3:33:05Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 3:33:05Joe Rogan?

  It's your skills against his skills, your mind against his mind, your will, how well you've prepared, the discipline that you showed in training, your IQ, in terms of fighting IQ. It's a fascinating contest to me. But the, when you see teams of dudes running into each other and fucking each other up like that, to me is like, what are you asking for?

• 3:33:25Speaker 02

  I, well...

• 3:33:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what are you getting people excited about?

• 3:33:28Speaker 02

  And what fascinates me about it is, what we were talking about earlier with the AI and everything, of like, knowing what humans need in order to stay, whether it's satiated, um, you know, uh, bridled in some way of like, if AI takes away all the hard things or whatever, like, with a whack-a-mole of what are people gonna start doing? You know, when they don't have, like, if AI is like, this is too crazy, you guys are fighting too much, it's like, but if we're born to kind of fight and need to...

• 3:33:53Joe Rogan?

  That's why we're gonna have to integrate.

• 3:33:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, merge.

• 3:33:57Joe Rogan?

  Put that chip in your brain, Whitney.

• 3:34:00Speaker 02

  Look.

• 3:34:03Joe Rogan?

  We're all gonna have it.

• 3:34:03Speaker 02

  I think I have worse things in my brain at this point.

• 3:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Just like we're all saying like, "Oh, I don't want email." Everybody has an email now.

• 3:34:08Speaker 02

  We've already merged with our phones. I mean, when I leave my phone, I feel it in my gut.

• 3:34:13Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 3:34:13Speaker 02

  I'm like, "Where is it?"

• 3:34:14Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 3:34:15Speaker 02

  Like, I... There's times that I'm like, driving home, and I'm like, "I've completely atrophied." Like, I don't even have peripheral vision. I don't have muscle memory of how to get home.

• 3:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, you forgot. You forgot how to navigate LA.

• 3:34:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, we are a unit.

• 3:34:29Joe Rogan?

  If you try to go through LA and you don't have a navigation system now, you're fucked.

• 3:34:32Speaker 02

  They call photos memories, because your memories are in there. They're not in your head. It's like, I look, and they're like, "Memories." And I'm like, "Oh, I forgot about that."

• 3:34:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:34:41Speaker 02

  Because it's in here.

• 3:34:43Joe Rogan?

  Right, you literally don't even remember. And then you see the picture, and now you remember.

• 3:34:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do, like, a year ago today, I'm like, "Oh, right."

• 3:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:34:49Speaker 02

  I didn't log that in my...

• 3:34:50Joe Rogan?

  You ever have a friend tell you a story, and you're like, "Oh, I fucking forgot about that trip."

• 3:34:55Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 3:34:56Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 3:34:57Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 3:34:57Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you just didn't have it accessible.

• 3:34:59Speaker 02

  That's right. How did I delete that?

• 3:35:01Joe Rogan?

  You deleted it.

• 3:35:01Speaker 02

  Why did I delete it?

• 3:35:02Joe Rogan?

  You got no room. There's too many things.

• 3:35:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Especially a person like you, who's constantly talking to people, constantly going to different places. Like, there's just, like, too much novel shit.

• 3:35:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Is getting into your head.

• 3:35:12Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 3:35:12Joe Rogan?

  Too many novel stories, novel conversations, like, "Oh, wow, oh, whoa, did you know, did you do..." And it's like, after a while, your hard drive's like, "Bitch, we're bleeding out."

• 3:35:20Speaker 02

  Too much.

• 3:35:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:35:21Speaker 02

  And I'm like, "Why do I remember every lyric to every R. Kelly song, but I cannot remember what happened last week?" It's funny that...

• 3:35:26Joe Rogan?

  "Bitch, I wish you would..."

• 3:35:28Speaker 02

  Do you remember? "America." Have you seen "America"?

• 3:35:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:35:31Speaker 02

  "I'm gonna bring you back to America." "America." It doesn't even say like, "I'm gonna..."

• 3:35:35Joe Rogan?

  "Did you get your shots?"

• 3:35:38Speaker 02

  "Did you get your shots?" "Did you get your vaccine?" "Let's fill out your paper."

• 3:35:45Speaker 04

  "Do you want to come to America with Robert or something?"

• 3:35:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, my god. It was fucking amazing.

• 3:35:51Speaker 02

  I can't, I can't.

• 3:35:52Joe Rogan?

  Amazing. We won't... We'll play this just for us, and we'll end this with that. Let me hear that part.

• 3:35:57Speaker 02

  That's the other thing, it's like,

• 3:35:58Joe Rogan?

  We can't put it on Spotify.

• 3:35:59Speaker 02

  Extreme, extreme left people, they'll be like, "America's full of fascist Nazis, but let everyone in, come here."

• 3:36:04Speaker 04

  Technically not a released song, but I don't know if he has the rights.

• 3:36:07Speaker 02

  Oh, it's like, on YouTube?

• 3:36:07Speaker 04

  How can he have the rights to it?

• 3:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, no, no. We'll wrap it up.

• 3:36:10Speaker 02

  "Did you get your shots?" What shots? I love you.

• 3:36:13Joe Rogan?

  At The Comedy Mothership, all weekend, sold out, sorry, bitches.

• 3:36:18Speaker 02

  Do you have your passport? Do you have your passport? Did you catch us?

• 3:36:23Joe Rogan?

  All right, we'll wrap it up. Now you play it now. Bye, everybody.

• 3:36:25Speaker 02

  Love you.