Health Expert - Secrets Big Pharma Doesn’t Want You To Know | PBD #801

Patrick Bet-David sits down with health expert Paul Saladino, MD to break down GLP-1 weight loss drugs, Big Pharma, obesity in America, testosterone decline, microplastics, processed foods, Botox, looksmaxxing, and the growing health crisis impacting modern men and women. ------- Ⓜ️ MINNECT WITH PAUL SALADINO: https://bit.ly/4fujfis 🥩 LINEAGE PROVISIONS - USE PROMO CODE PBD FOR 15% OFF AT CHECKOUT: https://bit.ly/4dj1LUX ⚕️ PAUL SALADINO'S CHANNEL: https://bit.ly/4tIoC0Y 💬 TEXT US: Text “VAULT” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates on speakers at The Vault Conference 2026! 🦁 THE VAULT 2026: AUG 31ST TO SEPT 1ST: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mZdLhD⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mZdLhD Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I think plastics are the coming storm for humans. It looks like a condom.

• 0:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So we're drinking water out of a condom?

• 0:04Speaker 00

  This is also a condom on the inside. You can use sodium hydroxide and dissolve the aluminum. And there's a condom on the inside of this can. They can carry like a Trojan horse. BPA. Endocrine disruptor. Reducing our exposure to plastic is probably one of the single most important things we could do in our lives.

• 0:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Charles Barkley. He's lost 85 pounds. Is he better off using GLP-1?

• 0:29Speaker 00

  One of the first issues I have with these GLPs is you're probably on them for life. Thing about these medications is they can increase suicidality. When you mess with neurotransmitters in the brain, it's very powerful.

• 0:41Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's about to take all these pills in his mouth. I held it. I took the bottles away from him. He's like, Pat, I'm begging you, please, I gotta take it. You don't know how much pain I'm in right now.

• 0:48Speaker 00

  I have seen so many people reverse depression without medications by returning to high-quality foods.

• 0:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do we get so fat in America?

• 0:57Speaker 00

  We are eating this tainted food that is full of all these ingredients that no one can pronounce. These food ingredients are literally poisoning our brains.

• 1:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So you got all these maxing, balls maxing.

• 1:08Speaker 00

  So if we want to looks-max, we just really need to return to the way that humans have eaten. Clavicular, I actually met clavicular. It was just painful. It's definitely hurting him long-term. He's not optimizing for longevity or health.

• 1:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I've never seen this before. Biohacker Brian Johnson makes shocking reveal about his girlfriend's vagina being the top 1%.

• 1:27Speaker 00

  I've met Kate and Brian, and they basically said, "We want to do everything for attention we possibly can." I get it, this is an attention economy. What is Kate doing that's improving her vaginal microbiome? It's not eating garbage food. This is honey from my house. This is not a hallucinogenic honey. I wouldn't do that to you.

• 1:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Starting to see unicorns.

• 1:53Speaker 00

  They complement the muscle meat.

• 1:55Patrick Bet-David?

  When do we start eating heart, organ, testicles that you're talking about? When do we stop eating it? Because in Iran, we eat that kind of stuff.

• 2:00Speaker 00

  Exactly, it's a western thing. It's the United States, you know? I went to Tanzania a few years ago and spent time with the Hadza. And they're near Lake Iasi. They're some of the last hunter-gatherers left on the planet. It's like, it's like something out of a different video game, you know? They're literally living in these thatched huts. They make their own bows and arrows. I got to hunt with them. And we went and we hunted a baboon. And they killed the baboon. And they have to kill these baboons because this is all they have to eat. And the first thing we do when they kill the baboon successfully with their own hands and the arrows and knives that they've essentially made themselves, is you throw it on the fire, you burn off the hair, and we eat the organs. They're passing around liver, pancreas, kidneys, heart. They're eating the whole thing. The next morning-

• 2:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Raw or they're cooking it?

• 2:43Speaker 00

  They're cooking it, they're cooking it on the fire. The next morning, the hunter who's blow kind of killed the baboon, offers me the head. It's like the scene, you ever seen that movie, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom? Where they crack open the mo- It was like that, it was a cooked baboon brain. He goes, "Here, you want some?" And this is the moment, Pat, this is like the decision point. You're like, "Okay, yes, I'm doing it." I'm in Tanzania with a Hadza tribesman. I'm eating baboon brain.

• 3:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Was anything disgusting?

• 3:08Speaker 00

  I think it was all amazing.

• 3:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 3:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I mean, for a lot of us, it offends our western sensibilities. So I think in the last probably 100 years, especially in the West, in the United States specifically, so many ethnic traditions like yours eat the organs, but we've totally forgotten it.

• 3:24Patrick Bet-David?

  It was normal for us. Like, when we came here, I'm like, "I'm surprised more don't." We ate liver like raw. Like I was telling you, we would go to this place in Iran called the, uh, Al Bali. Al Bali, and it was up in the mountains in Iran. And you'd go there and they would take the liver and they would cook it raw 10, 15 seconds and then put it in the bread, take it out, put some greens, put some salt. You'd eat it. It was so good. Till today, one of my favorite things to eat is liver. And I can't find many people that like eating liver.

• 3:54Speaker 00

  It's it's an acquired taste and we've lost it. But then you look at the nutrient profile, it's like a multivitamin. And then liver and the organs contain unique peptides. Everybody's talking about peptides today. Organs contain peptides. Animal foods contain peptides, small protein fragments that have biological roles in humans. We've just, we've forgotten this.

• 4:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, here's my concern. Every time you come here, I worry. It creates anxiety for about two weeks for me when I know I'm doing a podcast with you. And here's why. Uh, last time you were here, January 22nd, 2025 is the last time I had Celsius. And I would drink two Celsius a day. This is probably not a good video. We can't say this is brought to you by Celsius. This is not brought to you by Celsius, right? And Celsius actually pays very good sponsorship money to a lot of, it tastes so good. You're like, Pat, this is horrible for you. Last time I had it. And so this time I got a lot of different props that I brought.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  I got some props too.

• 4:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I know you got props. I got some stuff that the girls brought.

• 4:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 4:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Popular drinks that I want to get your thoughts in. Zen, you know, we got the vape, we got all this plastic. Should we drink water out of these guys? The Fiji water, I know we offered you Fiji. Turn it down.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Turn it down.

• 5:01Patrick Bet-David?

  They've already rejected us. We got all this stuff. We'll get into this stuff.

• 5:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:04Patrick Bet-David?

  But the first thing I want to start off with you is the following. The other day I'm watching a, uh, I was watching like the playoff game or something. And then I saw Barclay come up and Barclay was doing a GLP-1 commercial. Like Charles Barkley, I've seen the Serena Williams one for only $10 or whatever. So it's more of a money ad that she does and she's lost a lot of weight. But then I saw Barclay and I saw the numbers reported that Barclay had lost, uh, uh, he went from 360 pounds to weighing, uh, uh, 200 and 352 pounds to 267. He's lost 85 pounds, uh, using this product on Mount Jarro, uh, uh, which is like a form

• 5:49Patrick Bet-David?

  of a GLP-1, okay? And he says, I know GLP-1s are effective. I witnessed it myself. The difficult part was obtaining medication. He wants to get back to his playing days, which by the way, he looks great. He's 250, he's 267 pounds today. Playing days was 250. And then I had Umberto and Rob pull up some stats on obesity and being overweight. And I saw the video you posted of New York back in 1920 versus today. Rob, I don't know if you have that clip or not. And this is such a great video of comparing what America looked like in 1920. Well, it's overlapping because he's speaking on it. So if you can find another one, Rob, we'll show it. It's just 1920. You type in on X, New York 1920 versus today. And the numbers we pulled up is in 1920,

• 6:34Patrick Bet-David?

  only 3% of Americans were obese. Today, it's 41%. Why did we get so fat in America?

• 6:44Speaker 00

  It's over 70% obese and overweight, Pat. Over 70% obese and overweight.

• 6:49Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's according to CDC, by the way, that number you're giving.

• 6:51Speaker 00

  That's according to CBC, CDC. And so this is crazy. And it's so interesting because I think that more than anything, the GLP-1 conversation. Monjaro is a dual agonist. So it's GLP-1 and GIP. It's also called tirzepatide. These medications work. But the fact that they work so well, I think, is a clarion call to this idea that like, how did we get so fat? This question you're asking. They partially ameliorate a problem that did not exist 100 years ago. You look at New York, we were not fat. And so I think that this is a clear indication that our food supply has just become so badly tainted. And Oprah's talked about this. She had a very viral clip on The View.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  I think it was from 2024 or 2025 where she said, I have the fat gene, which is not true. There's no such thing as a fat gene. But what there is, is something called food noise. This idea, and I think Oprah, poor Oprah, didn't realize this. She used to promote Weight Watchers, right? So she was promoting low-quality food in low-calorie packets. When we are eating this tainted food that is full of all these ingredients that no one can pronounce. You, your great-grandmother, my great-grandmother wouldn't recognize these food ingredients. These food ingredients are literally poisoning our brains, the satiety centers in the hypothalamus of our brains. And we cannot stop eating. And so in some ways, these GLP-1s, Monjaro, Ozempic, and Rhetatrutide,

• 8:16Speaker 00

  which is a triple agonist, they sort of address. This food noise, the poisoning of our brains by the food. But there are things to think about here. There are potential downsides to these medications also. But for me, the biggest thing this conversation around Ozempic, Manjaro and Retitratide says is, how did we get so poisoned by our food? If we need a medication to actually calm the food noise, to partially reverse the complete destruction of our satiety that these engineered foods have caused, can't we just talk about going back to simple foods? Because in nineteen, in the early nineteen hundreds, most of what we ate were single ingredient foods. We talked about this on the last podcast. What are single ingredient foods?

• 9:00Speaker 00

  Beef, chicken, fish, pork, right? Lettuce, apples, celery, these are single, cheese, milk, these are single ingredient foods. It is virtually impossible to get fat or stay fat eating those foods. It is very-

• 9:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Even if you overeat?

• 9:19Speaker 00

  It's very difficult to overeat those foods because our body has a programmed satiety mechanism in our brain that is hundreds of thousands of years old. It's very difficult to overeat steak and boiled potatoes. It's very difficult to overeat steak and lettuce. It's very difficult to overeat chicken and avocado. You will get a very clear satiety signal and you're just not interested in eating.

• 9:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So then let me ask you this question. I read a book called Ageless Man. And I don't know if you've heard of this book, Ageless Man, where it talks about in the book that men with lower testosterone is worse for their health than higher testosterone. And they did a test on rats, I don't know, mouse, certain testing they did, giving them testosterone and seeing how they would, and they would live longer, ageless men. So the argument then becomes, you're better off being on TRT than not being on TRT. Okay, there's a benefit to it. Some people are now sitting there saying, okay. Charles Barkley, he's been dealing with weight for a while. Is he healthier, continuing to live his lifestyle?

• 10:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Doesn't change anything, he stays at 352, doesn't use GLP-1? Or is he better off using GLP-1, dropping to 267? He's carrying 85 pounds less fat. What's a better decision for a guy like Barkley?

• 10:39Speaker 00

  It's almost certainly using the GLP-1.

• 10:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So in this case, it's a good case to use it?

• 10:43Speaker 00

  It's a good case to use it, provided that Charles won't change his diet, right? And we can talk about the long-term consequences of using that GLP-1, potentially. But yeah, there is a use case for these medications unquestionably. In some ways, like I said, they probably reverse or help address the poisoning of our brains that's been going on by our food system. The first choice that I would have for Charles is, can we just get you a chef to cook you delicious food?

• 11:10Patrick Bet-David?

  He can afford that.

• 11:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, to get you single ingredient foods all the time. Because that, I believe, is going to lead to better long-term weight loss. One of the first issues I have with these GLPs is you're probably on them for life. So if Charles stops the GLP-1, the research is pretty clear that he's going to regain the weight within one to two years, almost all of it, and sometimes more.

• 11:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is that?

• 11:35Speaker 00

  Because when you use the GLP-1s, there are changes that happen in the body that don't catch up to the changes that you're making with food. So when you're using a GLP-1, it creates satiety. There are some potentially beneficial metabolic effects of these medications. But when you stop it, you're going to go back to eating the food you were eating before because you haven't made lifestyle changes. You haven't developed discipline, you haven't understood how to make the right food choices. And your eating habits are going to outpace your metabolism. Because these GLPs will slow down your metabolism because you're eating less food. And so you've lost fat, you've also lost muscle mass. Muscle mass is positive for our metabolism. Muscle mass burns calories when we're sitting here having a podcast, that's what you want. And so if you're on a GLP-1, you have to be very careful

• 12:20Speaker 00

  you don't lose too much muscle mass by continuing to exercise, continuing to eat enough protein. But when you stop it, the eating habits that you never fixed will outpace the metabolism that's been changed by the GLPs. There's a study that came out saying that when you stop a GLP-1, you regain the weight four times faster than if you stopped exercise. Four times faster. So this is the problem. And so it's great for the pharmaceutical companies. I think that they say Manjaro terzepatide is the number one selling drug in the world now.

• 12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  And I think people are suggesting that Retatrutide, which is the triple agonist, it's not FDA cleared yet, but probably will obtain FDA clearance in 2027, will be the best selling drug in the world almost immediately.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Huh.

• 13:03Speaker 00

  And so here we are with very widely used drugs that people may need to be on for life to maintain their quote benefits. That's a little concerning because people run into GI side effects. People can run into other side effects, ocular side effects. And then what do you do if you cannot continue? The discontinuation rate of these drugs is not insignificant because people do run into side effects. So is it a short term fix? Potentially. Does it have side effects? Yes, it's they're fairly safe drugs on balance. They're not perfect. They're fairly safe. But you are, I want people to understand that when you take these drugs, you are essentially committing yourself to a lifelong use of the drug,

• 13:46Speaker 00

  which is always a little bit concerning for us, right? And there is another way, which is, like we said, humans have eaten single ingredient foods or foods that your great grandmother would recognize the label for hundreds of thousands of years. Try getting fat on chicken breasts and avocado. It doesn't happen.

• 14:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Regular food, but that's boring, right? That's slow. That's, come on, Paul. I don't have the time for that. You know, I would much rather take the shortcut. 10 million people, according to JP Morgan Chase, are using GLP-1s. Uh, 2025, they're estimating it's going to be 25 million by 2030, four years from now. And then on top of that, the, the cost is what? $1,200 a month, they say, give or take. If you have insurance, of course, it's a different story. But $1,200, so the average person to do $1,200 a month, and you'll need to be on it for, you know, depending, let's just say it's a year program, that's $15,000. That's a, that's a big cost to a lot of different people. So some of these insurance companies are now adding it to it. So then the question becomes, what is it, is it really, when I talk to people who use it,

• 14:48Patrick Bet-David?

  all it does is, it tells you you're not hungry. Is that really all it does?

• 14:52Speaker 00

  It does a few more things in that. It does-

• 14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a diabetes drug. It's not like it was-

• 14:56Speaker 00

  It's also a diabetes drug. They're also using it for addictions. It's being studied for addictions, which is a very interesting sort of sidebar, because the GLP-1 receptors do occur in the pleasure pathways in the brain. So there's a lot of complex names here, VTA, ventral tegmentality, and nucleus accumbens. These are the pleasure pathways in our brain that are activated with nicotine, with alcohol, with romance, sex, learning. And so I think that the next use we'll see for these medications is with addictions. But then there's another sort of corollary conversation, and this is perhaps not the most important part of the GLP-1 conversation, but it is relevant for some

• 15:38Speaker 00

  people, that is it possible that if you use these medications, it will affect your ability to make new relationships, fall in love and desire? And this is, at this point, it's purely anecdotal, but the conversations on X are very compelling.

• 15:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What does that mean? What does that have to do with relationships?

• 15:54Speaker 00

  Well, because if you're overstimulating, so GLP-1 agonists, if you're overstimulating the GLP-1 receptors in the pleasure pathways in the brain, the VTA, the nucleus accumbens, are you blunting your ability, just like they're going to be effective for addictions? They sort of decrease the food reward, and they're going to decrease the reward of alcohol, they decrease the reward of smoking, and potentially other addictive drugs. Are they going to decrease the normal pleasure pathways that are activated when you fall in love with someone, when you have desire? This is a concern. Again, I don't think this is the primary conversation, but this is the corollary conversation of, maybe it's not a good thing to be on these for the rest of our lives. And we don't know, I want to be very clear, we don't know the answer to this, but if you look on-

• 16:38Patrick Bet-David?

  It started 2005, right? If I'm not mistaken, GLP-1's first one that was FDA-approved was sold in 2005. So we only have 20 years of data on this.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  That's for Ozempic, for semaglutide, and Manjaro is very more recent, and retinotrite has never been approved by the FDA. So we don't even have long-term data on retinotrite.

• 16:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it on track to get-

• 16:57Speaker 00

  It is, it is, 2027, yes. So for someone like Charles Barkley, great example, probably on balance, these are positive if he can't make lifestyle changes. But what about the millions of young men who are at 15% body fat? And could just eat single ingredient foods, but are going to take retinotropin or tirzepatide to get down to 11% to look shredded. Is it going to affect relationships? Is it going to affect how we relate to people? It's a really compelling question because the neurobiological mechanisms in our brain are there. And if you look on X, there are a lot of these threads. People are saying, I was at a conversation, I just saw it last night. You can pull it up on X. I don't know the account. I think it's Tyler Durden's account. It's this guy, this, you know,

• 17:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  eponymous account from Fight Club. And he was just saying, I was at dinner the other day and people were saying that they're, that they're falling out of love on Ozempic and that it was like over a million impressions or something. It was really interesting that when you put that out there, people are actually saying, this happened to me. Now, again, there are lots of cases where-

• 18:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull that up? I'm actually curious to know the comment section on what they said. If you find that, was that recently?

• 18:05Speaker 00

  I just saw it last night, so it's got to be pretty recent on his account. We can find it. I would say like, yeah, search for Tyler Durden, like falling out of love GLP-1s or something. Yeah.

• 18:17Patrick Bet-David?

  But keep going. Yeah, I'm tracking. So falling out of love.

• 18:20Speaker 00

  And there's been a, there's been a lot of, there's been a lot of theorizing around this just because of these neurobiological preserved pathways in the brain. So who knows here, right? Who knows? But I think that my point with Ozempic, Monjaro, tirzepatide is there is another way, right? And I wish I could have told this to Oprah 15, 20 years ago. There is another way to, to do this. And it's, it goes back to something that's not sexy, that's a little bit easier, that requires discipline, but that works longer term, which is, hey, simple, single ingredient foods. This is the way. Yes.

• 18:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Hearing some interesting stories from friends who have friends taking peptides, falling completely out of love overnight with wives and partners. Go a little bit lower. You're not permitted to comment this post if you took field. The COVID IQ test, the rule of 5.5 billion cheers. Go lower. Let's see if people are saying it this, them. Keep going lower. Yeah, that's interesting to be to be thinking about that.

• 19:15Speaker 00

  Kills enjoyment and and by peptides, he's talking about GLP ones here. Because those are the peptides that are affecting the enjoyment in the ventral tegmental area, the nucleus accumbens. And it's something we don't, we don't know for sure, but it's, it's very concerning.

• 19:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Could it be that it's because you know, every time there's something, there's fear porn. Could it be the fact that you're on GLP ones? If you're 350 pounds and you don't make a lot of money and you're not that successful, odds are your wife is probably close to 350 pound type of a person. I don't know if I'm being a prick here, I'm just saying statistically. Unless if you're Charles Barkley, you're famous, you're gonna get any girl you want for the most part. But also you're not dating somebody as attractive as you. So then all of a sudden you get on GLP ones and Ozempic and you lose 50, 60, 70 pounds. And let's just say you were 220, now you're at 150, you look amazing, people are now looking at you. Maybe it's not that you're falling out of love with your spouse. Maybe you now have options you didn't have before.

• 20:12Speaker 00

  It's very possible and there are, there certainly are situations where both people in the relationship get on these medications, both people become more attractive and probably the relationship gets better. But I just think it's a really interesting biological mechanism in the brain with no neurological pathways. And you can look it up too. These medications do have effects for addiction. So there's something going on.

• 20:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, no question about that, no question about that.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  And there's no, there's no biological free lunch path. And that's, that's just a little note of caution that I want to add to these, a little asterisk I want to add to these medications. No biological free lunch. When people are saying retitrutide is the best thing since sliced bread, I'm thinking just wait, just wait. You know, because we're, there's, there's no biological free lunch.

• 20:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we'll, we'll see, we'll see that part and what's gonna happen. The reality of it is, in US, I think the Ozempic product by itself, plus the diabetes, combined together is a 40 to an 80 billion dollar industry right now. And they're saying it's gonna get to 100 to 200 billion dollars by 2030, 2035. So when you see a number like that, this brings me up to the next question. Last year, Big Pharma spent some $7 billion on advertising. And one of the questions, conversations you and I had, as well as I had with Bobby, was with Maha and when he would get in that added, there you go, $7 billion in 2025 Big Pharma. That's a lot of money. So that money is going to media, you know, channels, CNN, everybody's get Fox, NBC,

• 21:40Patrick Bet-David?

  they're all getting a part of that money. But one of the things we discussed was there's only two countries in the world that allow this. It's us and New Zealand. That, you know, Maha would possibly work on eliminating Big Pharma from being able to advertise on TV. How much progress have you guys made on that?

• 21:57Speaker 00

  I don't think there's been much progress on that unfortunately.

• 22:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think that is?

• 22:01Speaker 00

  Well, you talked about it before because if you eliminate the pharmaceutical ad revenue from television stations, you're gonna see all the television stations collapse. We can look up the amount of money spent by, we're looking at it right now, but how much of any television station, any news channel is pharmaceutical ads? It's a lot today.

• 22:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I started off with the first story being Barclay because I saw it on an ad.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So if I don't see that on ad, I don't know if I know that Barclay lost, uh, weight. Uh, what does it say, Rob?

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Thirteen point one percent of all national linear TV ad spends were from Big Pharma in Q3.

• 22:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Thirteen percent.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  Pharma spending grew to sixteen percent by 2025. Yeah, well, that's, yeah. It's a big, it's a big deal. A lot of ads.

• 22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the likelihood that they'll get it done? Or this is something that's probably not gonna get done?

• 22:50Speaker 00

  I don't see it happening.

• 22:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  It's just, it's too close to home, you know? It's too close to home. I can't see it. The lobby is too strong. And again, I would love to see it happen. A lot of people watch television. A lot of people are influenced by these ads. I don't see it happening unfortunately.

• 23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let me ask you this next question. So for me, when I go through this, I, I ask myself, what's next, right? Because you see, uh, uh, drugs that came out that were revolutionary that we use, GLP-1 being one of them, and that came out in 2005. Then you go look at when hair transplant became a thing, and that was back in nineteen, uh, uh, I wanna say nineteen sixties, if I'm not mistaken. Uh, let me see this here. Yeah, so you got hair transplant nineteen sixties, first performed in nineteen fifty by Dr. Norman, Norman Arntreik. That was the first one we ever did. Breast implants since nineteen sixty-two, okay? First silicone implants was in nineteen sixty-two. Birth control pills.

• 23:49Patrick Bet-David?

  May ninth, nineteen sixty, FDA approved. A lot of people say that was one of the worst things that we did with birth control pills. You got Viagra's March twenty-seventh, uh, nineteen ninety-eight. You know, a lot of happy campers because of that one, okay? But they also say there's some side effects with that. And you got the GLP-1s, April two thousand and five. What do you think is gonna be the next big thing that hasn't happened yet?

• 24:10Speaker 00

  In terms of advances?

• 24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Advances or even, you know, a pleasure quick fix? Because remember Viagra, that was like a, guys were making a killing just selling that pill. When it first came out, pharmaceutical salespeople were all going to, you know, saying, hey, I want to be able to sell that product. I hear you guys are making two, three, four hundred thousand dollars a year. It was such an easy product to sell to doctors. What do you think could be the next thing? Next big thing?

• 24:35Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 24:36Patrick Bet-David?

  We're becoming more vain. Social media is not going away. We want to look good. You know, we want to look sexy. We want to look appealing.

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  This is a tough one, Pat. I don't know here, you know? I mean peptides and GLPs. GLPs are a peptide, but I think, we've kind of already talked about this, but I think peptides and GLPs are the next big thing. So I think from GLPs, we have to say, it's kind of already here, is the peptides. You know, now we've got the GnRH secretagogues, we've got BPC157. You've got the other classes of peptides that people are using also. I think that's already here. That's going to happen as well. And that, just like the GLPs, has some pretty significant contingencies to think about.

• 27:34Patrick Bet-David?

  But is it insecurities? Because you've got guys who have hair issues and guys who don't have hair issues. And there's a massive insecurity that causes people to say, "Let me go fix my hair." And you can go to Turkey, do it for whatever, $4,000 to $6,000, or you can do it here for $25,000 to $30,000. The other day, my son, both of them are like, "Uh, Dad, I don't know if you know or not." "What's that, buddy?" "You're going bald here." And they take a video, they're like, "Look at this." I can't see. I said, "Buddy, take that camera off my head right now." You know, they're kind of going through the whole thing. Boys are very different. They have no filters. Insecurity, breast implants, right? Some people in 60s. 1962, Rob. How old was Marilyn Monroe in 1962? I wonder. What year was Marilyn Monroe born?

• 28:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, she was born in twenty, oh, she died in sixty-two. Interesting. The year she died, they came out with breast implants. So maybe everybody wanted to be, you know, kinda like her. So insecurities with uh, birth control, maybe that's more like a risk. Allow me to be reckless and have sex without having anything to worry about. Viagra, there's an element of insecurity. GLP-1s, weight.

• 28:44Speaker 00

  Botox is already huge, you know?

• 28:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Massive. It's a massive number, by the way, on Botox.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  It's a big number and there's some, some really interesting stuff with Botox. There's a clip circulating from Euphoria, season three. I don't watch this, but I saw it. Maybe we can pull it up. It's two characters. It's at, it's at one of the characters weddings. And there's this really interesting juxtaposition of one, one actress has a large amount of Botox in her face. And the other actress, Sydney Sweeney, doesn't have as much Botox. And so it's a clip where they're at, Sydney Sweeney's character is at her wedding. And this, these two characters are arguing and then one character with Botox on her face is saying, "We paid, we paid for our kid's college fund." And you can see her getting very angry and her face isn't moving at all. And then Sydney Sweeney says, "What does that have to do with me?" And you can see her furrowing her brow

• 29:33Speaker 00

  and her, you know, her, the muscles of the glabella muscles in the forehead. It's very interesting because, we'll find the clip. It's, it's, it's, it's out there on X for sure. It's just, it's at her wedding, you know, and the one actress. But what's interesting about this for me is-

• 29:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Putting Botox, if it comes up, if you type in Botox.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  Is, is that, um, I've, I found a recent study and I posted about this on X. That where you inject the Botox in your face matters. So there's some studies that show-

• 30:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you watching, Rob?

• 30:09Speaker 00

  There's some studies that show-

• 30:10Patrick Bet-David?

  It's like some, the middle of the podcast, he goes, I'm pouring up the comment.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  There's some studies that show that if you inject the frown lines with Botox, it improves depression scores. So there's just something called, in this theory of embodied emotions. That when we feel an emotion, whether it's sadness or happiness or other emotions that I'll get to in a moment, our face- Moves and our face moving with these emotions is integral to actually feeling the emotion. So if you inject the frown lines in the face, or maybe these elevens here in the middle of your face. I've never had any botox, but you know, I look at my face and I think, should I get this? And then I read this study, if you inject the frown lines or you inject the places in your face that are being expressed when you have negative emotions, it actually improves depression scores. But if you inject the parts of your face like the laugh lines, it worsens depression scores.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  Because you can't, the theory would be you can't express the happiness as much. And so there was a recent study that looked at that, and then it also looked at, and again, it's one study. And I think it was a small study of thirty six women, but there was a sitting and finding that when they injected certain areas of the face, women reported less orgasm intensity. Because

• 31:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You can see if they're enjoying it or not.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  Well, because they can't express the enjoyment on their face when they're having the orgasm, because you're paralyzing the facial muscles. So moving your face, yes, this is exactly it. So this is the, they use something called the sexual satisfaction score. And so they had lower orgasm intensity and enjoyment because you can't, you need to move your face to embody an emotion. It's interesting. Again, it's one study, but there's a lot of people getting botox. And I thought that clip from Euphoria was fascinating because you can see this woman getting very angry and her face isn't moving. As you and I are talking to each other, I'm looking at your face, there's a complex interplay. Is Pat angry? Is he sad? Is he happy? Does he like what I'm saying?

• 32:05Speaker 00

  Think about the bonding that goes on between a mother and a child.

• 32:08Patrick Bet-David?

  No question.

• 32:08Speaker 00

  Think about the complex emotional dance that happens between two people during courtship. And think about the way that paralyzing too much of your face could affect this. Again, I'm not saying

• 32:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Comedians must hate this.

• 32:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:22Patrick Bet-David?

  If you go to like a comedy club in like, you know, Highland Park, Dallas, and everybody's on botox and you're like, are these people enjoying it or not? You just can't tell because they're not smiling.

• 32:35Speaker 00

  You can't tell. And so, look, there's, there's ways apparently, again, I've never had any botox. But there's ways that you can do baby botox and maybe not paralyze it or be careful with the muscles. But you know, you say, what's next? And I'm thinking, well, at least what's now? Like, I just think there's a word of caution with botox. And I know women and men want to look young. And look, I've got some lines across my forehead that I'm self-conscious about. But do I want to affect my ability to feel an emotion? And do I want to affect my ability to bond with someone potentially my future kids? That's that's something to consider.

• 33:08Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I mean, listen, you look at me, you can see freeways on my forehead. You see the stuff in the middle of my eye?

• 33:13Speaker 00

  That's important.

• 33:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it. Yeah, I love it. But you know, it is, it is a big business when you look at botox, the numbers on it is staggering on how many people are using it. I think it was 85% of people that use, do we have the numbers on that with botox, Rob? It's a very, very high number on what percentage are women and how much money is being spent in it? And what we're doing with that? Yeah, right there. 85 to 94% of all botox cosmetic procedures are performed on women with millions receiving injections annually in the US, while only 1% total US population gets botox. Survey indicate up to 42% of women have had the treatment, the highest usage in among women, 40 to 54, though preventative botox

• 33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  is surging in those under 40.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Preventative botox, this is

• 34:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Preventative botox.

• 34:02Speaker 00

  It's women in their 20s and 30s who say, I don't want to get a wrinkle. So I'm going to paralyze the muscles now. They don't have a wrinkle they're trying to get rid of. They're trying to prevent wrinkles. This is, I mean, it's kind of scary, you know, it's you think, I mean, there's women in their 20s now getting botox for sure. For sure.

• 34:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, that's wild. When you think about the space we're getting into. But let's talk about this. So what else it can get into? Because I asked the question, I said, Okay, so what are some things that people would want to see happen next? That could be the next big phenomenon. I'm sure you've seen the whole, you know, insecurity with heights, right?

• 34:41Speaker 00

  The surgeries.

• 34:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, with a leg lengthening surgery.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Surgery involves deliberately breaking the bone, then slowly lengthening it to use an internal rod. And the bone lengthens one millimeter per day. The lengthening phase takes about three to four months. And approximately six months later, you could grow six inches in height. They're doing it here for a hundred and twenty-five thousand to a hundred and thirty-five thousand dollars. But if you want to go do it in, you know, Europe or different places, you can do for twenty-five to thirty thousand dollars. And some people that take it may never be able to run again. Yeah, here's one guy.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 35:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Six inches for height.

• 35:21Speaker 00

  This gets into like looks maxing.

• 35:23Patrick Bet-David?

  This gets into looks maxing, but height is another one of those things, right?

• 35:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, hey, I'll make more money if I'm above six feet tall. If I'm five-six, I add six inches, I'm five-eleven, six feet tall. Do you see this thing getting bigger, or you think this is a little bit more limited than the other?

• 35:38Speaker 00

  This is pretty tough, because I think people are not going to do this. What was the movie that just came out? I think it was called, I'll think of it over the course. There was a character in this movie. It was Pedro Pascal was in this movie, and his character in the movie had the surgery. I'll think of the movie. Anyway.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  It's a... Yeah, it's scary, because the materialists. So it's a romantic movie. I watched it on a plane. It's Pedro Pascal, Dakota Johnson. And, you know, there's like this love triangle between Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, and Pedro Pascal, and Pedro Pascal.

• 36:15Patrick Bet-David?

  One of them is a rich one, the other one's a waiter. Is this the one?

• 36:18Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 36:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  And so Pedro Pascal comes from a very successful family. He's in New York. He's an entrepreneur. He does private equity or something, and he's had the surgery. Anyway, it comes up in the movie. It's interesting. To me, I think this is too far. This is a bridge too far for most people. You can't run. What if, you know, what if you fall? You think about this in the UFC. Conor McGregor, Anderson Silva, the guys who break their tibia. When they kick someone in the leg, and then they have a plate. And they're sort of hampered for the rest of their life. They can't kick things. I mean, not everybody wants to kick things. But, you know, if you want to do intense sports, like, what if you want to move in your life? You're really limiting what you can do with these surgeries. So I don't know about this. It's pretty crazy that people are actually doing this. I mean, the looks maxing stuff goes crazy.

• 37:03Speaker 00

  People bone smashing, jaw surgeries, implants. The thing I want to say about height. Is that there's compelling evidence that what you feed children during their growing years can affect height. Obviously, the genetics have a factor. Your tall, your wife's height, these kinds of things, these will affect your children's height. But we see this across the world. Height in both men and women is correlated with nutrition and correlated with the consumption of animal products, and specifically vitamin K2. So vitamin K2 is a form of vitamin K that occurs in animal foods. It's in things like cheeses, or full-fat

• 37:43Speaker 00

  milk, meat, liver, we talked about, butter. This is vitamin K2. And there is compelling evidence that giving children enough vitamin K2 when they're growing, which means feeding them liver, or liver supplements, or butter, things that we're afraid of, feeding them enough meat, will allow them to achieve their maximum potential height.

• 38:05Speaker 07

  K2, vitamin K2 is linked to height?

• 38:07Speaker 00

  Yes, because vitamin K2 is involved in bone turnover. And vitamin K2 deficiency appears to cause calcification of the growth plates. So when you have enough vitamin K2, you manage calcium stores in the body properly, and where your body puts calcium. As an adult, adequate vitamin K2 is consistently and significantly associated with lower rates of calcific aortic sclerosis, so calcification of the aortic valve, and atherosclerosis of our arteries. So vitamin K2 is found in animal foods, cheeses. This is a famous observational study called the Rotterdam Study. Those who had the highest level of K2 in their diet, the highest terschile

• 38:50Speaker 00

  of vitamin K2, had the lowest all-cause mortality, the lowest atherosclerosis risk, and the lowest amounts of calcific aortic sclerosis, calcification. But when you're growing, you don't want the growth plates to calcify. So you make sure your children are getting enough animal foods, eggs, butter, liver, things like this red meat that we shouldn't be afraid of. That allows the growth plates to not calcify too early, and to stunt growth. So- Look, you know, I'm 5'9". I always wished I was 5'11" or 6'0" and I'm thinking, "I wish my parents had fed me more eggs, you know, or a little better diet." Both of my parents were doctors, but I grew up in the low-fat craze. And, you know, we had kind of an average, standard American diet. Who knows? I mean, it's worked out.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm fine in the end, but I can't, I can tell you that as a man who is 5'9", I look at men who are 6'1", 6'1", I say, "Man, I wish, you know."

• 39:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you say, do you still say that?

• 39:42Speaker 00

  I, I still think about that, you know? I still think about that. And I even saw this bone surgery. "Should I get that?" And I thought, "No, I couldn't do that. I'm too active."

• 39:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're active. You're running. You're surfing.

• 39:51Speaker 00

  Well, I'm kicking. I want to do martial arts.

• 39:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You send me videos of stuff you're doing in Costa Rica, the surfing, and it's the sickest. Every time you send me the video, I'm in an office, I'm like, "This guy is sending me another one of these videos that he's enjoying himself in Costa Rica."

• 40:05Speaker 00

  Anyway, yeah, I want to be able to do those things.

• 40:07Patrick Bet-David?

  It'd be tough to do that if you add those.

• 40:09Speaker 00

  I would never do that. But we, before the podcast, we were talking about children. I have an amazing girlfriend. She's now my fiancee, and we want to have kids. And I'm thinking, every time I see this stuff, I think, "How do I want to feed these children?" And of course, me, we're talking about Paul Saladino. I'm going to feed my kids animal foods. I'm going to feed my kids, you know, meat and liver, either in capsules or in real liver or eggs. And, because I want my children to have as much of an ability to live their life as healthy as possible. End of story. So, it's interesting stuff.

• 40:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no question. The vitamin K, what was it again?

• 40:44Speaker 00

  K2.

• 40:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Vitamin K2, interesting thing to look at. You know, it's, one of my kids is like, "Hey, when am I getting my growth spurt?" I said, "Buddy, I don't know. I don't know when you're going to get it." One of them is size 11 and 1/2 feet. The other one is size 8. He's like, "Am I gonna, how tall do you think I'm going to be?" When it comes on to heights, I don't know how to, what to tell you.

• 41:03Speaker 00

  How old is he?

• 41:04Patrick Bet-David?

  He's 12. But he, he-

• 41:05Speaker 00

  He's got time.

• 41:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He's got time, yeah. But his brother is a giant. He's becoming, he's a big boy. He shakes, his hands are the same size as my hands at 14 years old. Okay? So, he's, he's a big boy. He's getting bigger. But we'll see what happens. Some of it, you just have to wait. The other part is, when you're saying vitamin K2, we got to look into that. Let me ask the look-maxing question. So, you got all these maxing, right? Balls maxing, looks maxing. You got people talking about go lay down and, you know, naked under the sun. You got hitting this stuff with your jaw and do the jaw surgery because you're gonna get better with girls and all this other stuff. What, which one of these do you say there's credibility there because it's like, put ice on your testicles.

• 41:49Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason for it is there, the reason why everything drops is because it's trying to cool off. So find a way to cool off. Then you'll read stories about sauna. Sauna is not good because it lowers your sperm count if you use a sauna too often at a certain temperature. There is so much information that you're like, if you do this, it hurts this, but it helps us. But if you do this, it helps this, but it hurts this. So to the average person, where are you at with this maxing stuff?

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• 44:09Speaker 00

  It's interesting. I did a post on X and we're actually gonna be filming a video this week. We're in Miami about natural looks maxing. The clavicular, I actually met clavicular last year in Los Angeles before he got more popular. And it was just painful. He was just so, you know, he's been on testosterone since he was 14 or 15 years old. He's 14 years old? Maybe 15 or, he's been, he's been on testosterone at large doses, 300 to 400 milligrams a day for so long. And he's taking so many different peptides and medications. And you look at his supplement stack, I did a video about, you know, critiquing his supplement stack. It's definitely hurting him long term. He's not optimizing for longevity or health. He's optimizing for looking a certain way right now.

• 44:53Speaker 00

  But look, here's what I think about it, like attractiveness has a biological correlate. When we are more healthy, when children are fed a more nutrient-rich diet, when they're fed a better diet, their faces become more wide, their teeth develop more properly. All of what we're seeing, a lot of what we're seeing with looks maxing is trying to counteract the fact that most of us were raised with garbage diets. So again, we're kind of back to parents or future parents, think about how you're feeding your children. Or even now as adults, we can affect the way we look with the quality of the way we live our lives. What's one of the easiest ones we can do? Sleep enough. Totally changes your attractiveness, right? Get enough sleep, which we can talk about. Eat foods with nutrients.

• 45:36Speaker 00

  And I think plant foods are fine, but we keep coming back to this idea that a lot of the nutrients we need to be optimally fertile, have optimal libido and sex drive, optimal hormones, and optimal Attractive are found almost exclusively or predominantly in animal foods. And yet we've been told to fear those. So animal foods, especially things like eggs, egg yolks, don't fear the egg yolk. Red meat, liver, like we talked about, these are how we start to naturally looks max. These are the things that widen our jaws. There was a guy in the 1940s named Weston A. Price. You ever heard of him? No. He was a dentist. He was kind of like the original explorer, the original Indiana Jones. He went all over the world and studied indigenous populations all over the world and he took stunning photographs.

• 46:20Speaker 00

  So he wrote a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, which is very dry and very thick. But the photographs, maybe you guys can pull up some of the photographs of the people he noted all over the world. You see these wide jaws, these perfectly arched palates. These, look at, look at this guy's teeth. There, that's not, there's no dentist, right? These are not veneers. There's no tooth whitening. It's a black and white photo, but look at the width of that palate. The average palate used to be 50 millimeters across. Today it's 34 millimeters. What? This is almost entirely due to the quality of our food. It's these easily chewable foods.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  This is juxtaposing, you know, children in developed society, eating processed flowers and processed sugars, with indigenous people. They're not even really brushing their teeth. They're not doing anything crazy. They're not taking terzepatide. There's no looks maxing going on here. Those are beautiful humans, right? On the, on the left side of this photo, who are eating traditional diets. This is an incredible juxtaposition that we have forgotten. So if we want to looks max, we just really need to return to the way that humans have eaten. And I know that I keep saying this and maybe it sounds pedestrian, but there's so much wisdom here. Look at this, these are from the 1940s and this has largely been forgotten. Those palates are wide.

• 47:39Speaker 00

  This is what's attractive to us, a wide jaw, a big palate, a, you know, a maxillary bone that is fully developed. And this predominantly has to do with the quality of the foods we're eating and actually activating the masseter muscle by chewing foods. When we activate muscles in our jaw, it Triggers bone deposition because the muscles have to pull on the bone. So if we are not chewing, right? You think about this, when was the last time you actually chewed something that you had to really chew? A lot of us cut the tendons off of our steaks because we don't want to chew. It's too chewy, right? This isn't, we need this today. All of us, kids need it, adults need it. The masseter muscle is so strong and it pulls on the jaw.

• 48:22Speaker 00

  And then bone deposition occurs because the bone is pulling, the muscle's pulling on the bone. The bone has to lay down actual, you know, osteoblasts have to lay down bone and lay down matrix because the muscle's pulling on it so hard. So we think about this, it's like, all this looks maxing, has its roots in our evolutionary history. You want a mate that's healthy because you want to make healthy children. So it's not, in some ways you think it's vain, oh, this woman wants to look at this guy wants to look at. No, what you're trying to do, what we've forgotten about is actually signal to a mate that you're healthy. Well, why not actually just try and be healthy rather than faking it? Right? So it's pretty interesting to me.

• 49:00Patrick Bet-David?

  How, how deep, because you're in this world, what do you see in how far people are going? With some crazy things people are, because I saw the hammer thing.

• 49:09Speaker 00

  The hammer.

• 49:09Patrick Bet-David?

  What else are you seeing?

• 49:10Speaker 00

  Well, they're doing jaw implants, right? They're getting all sorts of facial surgeries. Guys will get facial surgeries on their eyes.

• 49:17Patrick Bet-David?

  We have a guy that does jaw surgeries. It's $70,000 he does, he's the best guy in America. And he's done 2,000 plus of those. And people pay him $70,000 to be able to fix the jaw to look, you know, the way they want it to look.

• 49:33Speaker 00

  Strong jaw.

• 49:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 49:33Speaker 00

  And so remember, like, the reason you have, the strong jaw is a signal of health and fertility to a potential mate. And you can improve this without a jaw surgery. Yeah, this is crazy.

• 49:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So what does this do though, when he's hammering it? Is this supposed to do anything?

• 49:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, the idea, the idea is that if you break the bone, it's going to grow back in a certain way. And there might be some, there might be some truth to this. And like, let's be honest, like, why not just get it nutritionally, right? Like, I don't think people should be smashing their face. And it's, it's an indication that we're all sort of eating. These easily predigested soft foods which are poor in nutrients. People are doing crazy stuff. I mean veneers are common. And the thing with veneers, that's potentially problematic is that when you have a veneer, can you actually occlude, right? Can the bite, can you bite down in the proper way in your jaw? All of this is really important for proper alignment of the jaw, avoidance of temporal mandibular joint syndrome.

• 50:30Speaker 00

  So I think that the problem with this is that, you know, in five to 10 years, a lot of these looks-maxing therapies, especially the stuff that Clavico is talking about, are just going to lead people to be miserable. He's not going to look great in 10 years, you know?

• 50:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think he's going to look good in 10 years?

• 50:43Speaker 00

  I don't think he's going to look very good in 10 years. He's definitely not going to look good in 20 years. He's only 21 years old or 20 years old. He's so young, you know? And he's definitely changing the trajectory of his health in a negative way unquestionably.

• 50:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, a lot of people are, a lot of young men, you know, they'll see whoever's the hottest person today and they want to replicate that person. And he is getting a lot of guys that are talking about, you know, I'm speaking at a school today, right afterwards, career day. And I'm going to be asking, every time I go to schools and I'm talking to kids, you know, 10 to 18 years old, I want to ask them, who do you guys follow today? Who do you look up to today? And you'd be amazed what names are coming up.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  What names come up?

• 51:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, he's one of the names that comes up in the top five right now. So when you ask him-

• 51:25Speaker 00

  It's scary.

• 51:25Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, well, it is a trend and a pattern. And the parents must take responsibility to educate. It's nothing new. This has always been the case.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, where people were, I mean, at one point, people were worried about, you know, Elvis shaking his hips and hey, don't do that in front of girls. This is not good. It's going to make, you know, girls want to have sex and all this other stuff. But every, sometimes we exaggerate it. Sometimes it's like a trend and it goes away. And sometimes it stays. I don't know if this is going to be a trend or if it's going to stay or not. I know forever, we're going to want to look better and be more attractive to the opposite sex. That's never going away.

• 51:59Speaker 00

  So do it the right way, you know? So my hope, and I would love, this would be really cool. I would love to talk to some of these kids and say, hey, do you want to do this but also live to be 85 years old and playing with your grandkids? Hey, guys, stop eating junk food, you know? Stop drinking Coca-Cola. Stop, you know, eating- Stop eating McDonald's and actually eat real food. You said it earlier in the podcast, we always want the shortcut. There's no free lunch here, but if kids, and this is one of the things that makes me the happiest is when I meet a young adult, somebody, every once in a while, I'll meet a fan who's 15, 16 years old, often with their parents. But sometimes the 16 year old influenced their parents to start thinking about health and they found.

• 52:41Patrick Bet-David?

  The other way around.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 52:43Speaker 00

  And, and, and the, the parents found value and they found some value in my content. I think this 16 year old, this 17 year old, you're so far ahead of the curve. If you are thinking about food quality now, if you are thinking about the fact that so much of what we're talking about today on the podcast is achievable with simple, high quality food. And yet, what are we bombarded with? It is low quality food which shrinks our jaws, makes us less attractive and makes us obese. There's an easy way, there's a, there's a, there's, I shouldn't say an easy way. There's an easy way with the cheap, the cheap shortcuts. And there's a, a simple, clear way to do it, which is going to require discipline, but it's going to give you this trajectory and knowledge for the rest of your life.

• 53:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So people want to be what? If you, if you were to say people want to be stronger, smarter, more attractive, wealthier, taller.

• 53:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, those are some of the things that, you know, we'll see. But also you have your, your friend, Brian Johnson, which I know you guys are having dinner tonight. Good friends, very good friends you guys are. Brian Johnson, an article goes viral for him. So for men, it's about, hey, I wouldn't mind my package being a little bit bigger, right? Guys are always into, hey, penis enlargement, whatever. I've never seen this before. Biohacker Brian Johnson makes shocking reveal about his girlfriend's vagina being the top 1%. If your girlfriend's vagina is in the top 1%, do you want to advertise it? Well, this guy just did, right? So if you go on the bottom, this is so funny. It's like, you, you know, the article goes into saying, he's never shy away from sharing, you know, famed biohacker across the new Rubicon on TMI while

• 54:19Patrick Bet-David?

  many plebeians may boast about their partner's emotional intelligence, running emotional, you know, Johnson is out there publicly praising his top tier girlfriends. Kato Tolo's privates, a million followers. He posted a video, 48 years old. Just gave Kate sex goodnight. This guy's a little weird. Go a little bit lower, Rob. Go a little bit lower, but I want to show the chart that he puts up. Okay, go a little bit lower. It's as if it's a stock, okay, and even go a little bit lower. You'll see the, you'll see the chart he posts right there. This is the one. So he gives her a top score because she's in the top 1%, you know, result. Lowest 5%, below median is where most women are at. What, what is he talking about?

• 54:59Speaker 00

  It's, you can see it at the bottom on the X axis. It's the microbiome.

• 55:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  So you have a microbiome in your gut and you, and the women have a microbiome in their vagina. We also have a microbiome on our skin, in our mouth. All of the orifices of our body have microbiota, have organisms. And so somehow they're saying, oh, when you culture this vaginal flora, it is, they're rating it objectively on this scale. So great. I think that the, the, the indication here for people is just that, hey, look, what is Kate doing? That's improving the her vaginal microbiome. It's not eating garbage food. I've met Kate and Brian and to be fair, they basically said, we want to do everything for attention we possibly can. I get it. This is an attention economy. That, that is.

• 55:47Patrick Bet-David?

  They said that.

• 55:48Speaker 00

  They said that.

• 55:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, this is getting a lot, this story is getting a lot of attention.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  It's getting a lot of attention, you know, I mean, and you know, Brian is very good at virality. Hey, I just had sex with Kate. Let me show you my, my vagals, my, my vagal, my vagus nerve score. Let me show you my whoop score after I had sex with Kate. Hey, I'm gonna inject.

• 56:02Patrick Bet-David?

  He's tracking his data while he's having sex with Kate?

• 56:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And what's he looking for? What data is he looking for?

• 56:07Speaker 00

  I think he was looking for heart rate variability afterwards, but again, it's like, okay, great. Like you're getting a lot of attention saying.

• 56:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he like on a bunch of, I, I visualized it's having the EKG stuff on his body. Like he's got these, you know, and then honey, let's go out. It's like, hey, I'm ovulating babe. Let's go. We're gonna have a kid. What, what's he?

• 56:25Speaker 00

  I think he just has a whoop band on and he's looking at his HRV and his, you know, his vagal tone.

• 56:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Not a lot of wires and all that.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  No, I don't think, although I wouldn't.

• 56:32Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna be, it's gonna get caught in different things.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  I wouldn't put it past him, but he's definitely about virality, oftentimes at the expense of decorum perhaps. So yeah, this is great. Like women should be thinking about the quality or the composition of their vaginal microbiome. Just like men should be thinking, or all of us should be thinking about the composition of our gastrointestinal microbiome. And these are in a large part driven by the quality of our diet, you know, and so great. Kate's not eating junk food. She has a good microbiome score in her vagina. Awesome. If women see that and they understand how she got that.

• 57:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Who does that please? If you're in the top 1%, is that better for your mate or is that better for you?

• 57:11Speaker 00

  It's probably better for both people because when you're having sex, you're obviously very intimate with the vagina. And we know that when there is vaginal dysbiosis, vaginas are not as much fun to be around, predominantly because of the smell. And just that it's not as much fun for women. They can get more infections and things like this. So it's better for both partners to have a healthy microbiome in the vagina, in the mouth. You don't want to kiss someone with bad breath. It's kind of the same thing.

• 57:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Interesting. So it's more about smell than anything else?

• 57:40Speaker 00

  Probably, yes. And for the woman, it's about the propensity for urinary tract infections or the propensity for fungal overgrowth, yeast infections, et cetera. So when you have a healthy microbiome in the vagina, a woman is going to be more resilient against the wrong type of organisms, fungal or bacterial, overgrowing and creating yeast infections, bacterial vaginosis, or urinary tract infection.

• 58:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So how does that apply to men? Now flip it and put it on men.

• 58:07Speaker 00

  I think that, you know, a man is going to have a skin microbiome. And your skin microbiome is going to affect the woman's vaginal microbiome also. So you want to be healthy. Your skin microbiome is in large part due or connected with your gastrointestinal microbiome. We know that for men and women, the right type of flora in our gut affects the regularity with which we have bowel movements, which is super important for humans and human health. It affects whether we get bloated or gassy, which is no fun. It affects our ability to digest food. It affects systemic inflammation. And so we, as humans, are sort of this symbiotic organism with the trillions of bacteria, viruses, and fungi that live within us. Have you heard the statistic that most scientists now agree

• 58:53Speaker 00

  that we are more not human than we are human? There are perhaps, you know, 10 to the 15th cells in the human body. There are probably 10 to the 16th plus organisms in your gut and around you. You are at least an order of magnitude, perhaps two orders of magnitude, not human, more not human than you are human. This is DNA that is not yours. So we are this sort of symbiotic simulacrum of humans. And we affect those organisms based on how we're moving through our environment and what we're eating. It's pretty interesting.

• 59:23Patrick Bet-David?

  It's funny you say this because, you know, when I was single, if you smoked cigarettes... You know, I was dating a beautiful girl, you know, a former Miss California type of a girl. But she's, you know, she, one of them smoked and I couldn't deal with it. I couldn't deal with the smell. Another one was, um, you know, uh, uh, even if she came out of the shower, there was still a bit of a stench. Okay. And I'm not even talking about down there, just here.

• 59:50Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 59:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And I couldn't deal with it. Another one was she, she was great, but she smelled like copper. And I would say, why do you smell like copper? Her skin would smell like copper.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  Huh.

• 59:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And, you know, for somebody that's extremely sensitive with scent, you know, so now this, this, but this is not even about what, they all look physically great, but the smell was, I was throwing it off. So now bring it to men, let's stay on this. Typically, when you talk to guys, they'll talk about, you know, when boys are comfortable and they want to talk to each other, they'll open up, boom. It's either ED, they can't get it up.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:00:22Patrick Bet-David?

  It's either they can get it up, but they come very quickly.

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• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  Again, we're kinda back to...

• 1:03:47Patrick Bet-David?

  They get a hammer and just hit their junk and say, "Hey, listen."

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 1:03:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it like a...

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  Let's talk about erectile dis-

• 1:03:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Bob, don't try that. I'm just asking before you guys. I'm worried about Humberto goes and says...

• 1:03:58Speaker 00

  Let's talk about erectile dysfunction first. So erectile dysfunction, we talked about this earlier in the podcast, directly linked to the absolute collapse of men's testosterone and metabolic health. So if you look at the 1920s pictures that we showed earlier in the podcast of New York, those men, our great-grandfathers, our grandfathers, had testosterone that was higher than ours, right? And across the board. So the average testosterone, give or take, from what we can say today, 100 years ago for men in their 30s and 40s was probably in the 800s, 800 nanograms per deciliter. Today, it's 400, 450. So we've just collapsed. And I think that that, in combination with our overall metabolic health,

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  and this is the quality of the food we're eating, but also our toxic environment, which we can talk about. So we are swimming in an environment that is full of compounds, whether it's BPA, phthalates, PFAs, which are forever chemicals, or microplastics and pesticides, which, and the microplastics can carry all those chemicals into our body, these are endocrine-disrupting chemicals. So we are not only eating poorer quality food, we are not eating the nutrients needed to have healthy testicles, which produce testosterone in the Leydig cells, and the Sertoli cells support that. We are also imbibing, putting on our skin, washing our hair, breathing in chemicals, drinking chemicals in cans, in plastic bottles, in plastic cups,

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  that are actively disrupting our ability to make these hormones. And then, we are ending up with 30-year-olds and 40-year-old men who have erectile dysfunction. Now, then they go to the doctor, the doctor says, "Hey, your testosterone is 300. Here's testosterone." And to me, this is, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with testosterone supplementation, but I think that we are failing to talk to these men about what could be causing this, because you can correct it, right? So you think about how quickly men get testosterone prescriptions. I saw Jeremy Renner was on a podcast recently saying he's on TRT. His testosterone was 200 to 300. I think he's early 50s.

• 1:06:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Hurt Locker, the actor.

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, the guy who, he's in the Marvel movies.

• 1:06:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that the Hurt Locker, the same guy I'm thinking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's phenomenal.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, and he, so he was on-

• 1:06:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So he said he was at 200?

• 1:06:13Speaker 00

  200 to 300, I think, yeah. He was on Chris Williamson's podcast talking about peptides and TRT.

• 1:06:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And what did he do to improve his?

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  Well, he just took TRT, you know? So for me, this is like, okay. The problem is, if you have, if you go to a doctor, so I know that a lot of men listening to this might be 30s, 40s, 50s. If you go to your doctor and they say, hey, your testosterone is 300, 400, it should be 800, you know? And there is a biological precedent. It's possible to be in your 40s or 50s and have testosterone in the 700s or 800s. My testosterone was 860. I don't take anything. I'm 48 years old. So like, and I've met many men who show this. You can, there's nothing about being a man in your 40s, 50s, or even 60s that says your testosterone needs to fall off a cliff. But we go to the doctor, we say, hey, my testosterone's 300. They say, here's TRT.

• 1:07:03Speaker 00

  Did your doctor check your vitamin D level? Did your doctor check your zinc level? There's really good evidence that if your zinc level is less than maybe 80, 80 milligrams per deci-, uh, I think that's the units. It might be, I think it's micrograms per deciliter for the zinc. If your zinc level is less than 80, your testosterone could improve, could double just by zinc supplementation. So make sure you check your zinc level. And men could be supplementing with zinc. Zinc is of course found in a very bioavailable form in red meat, animal foods, which we are eating less of. Now, the thing with zinc, just to put as an asterisk here, is that you don't want to take zinc without copper long-term. So if you do 15 milligrams of zinc, you probably need at least one milligram of copper if you're going to take it long-term.

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  But so many men could improve their testosterone levels by checking their zinc level and supplementing- With a little bit of zinc, be aware of copper. But the list goes on. What are you exposed to? How many plastics are you ingesting? How many cans are you drinking out of? How many plastic bottles are you drinking out of? How many plastic containers are you cooking your food in? What is your?

• 1:08:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You're fully against that, 100%.

• 1:08:07Speaker 00

  Fully against this. There's a great clip, we can find it, from Joe Rogan's podcast. And it's just, it's an anecdote from one of his friends. But he said, and I think this is true. He said, "My friend had testosterone that was maybe 300, and he got all the macroplastics out of his life. He significantly decreased plastic exposure, and his testosterone went to 1,200." So this is really, again, it's just an anecdote. But let's talk about plastic exposure, because this is really interesting, and you've got a lot of props here for me right now. So I think that for men, baseline, start with a good quality diet. Start with single ingredient foods, or foods with ingredient labels your great grandmother would recognize. Eat animal foods. You need those nutrients. You need zinc, you need vitamin D, you need magnesium, you need selenium.

• 1:08:52Speaker 00

  These are core nutrients for your testicles to actually work. And then, you want to think about minimizing your exposure to endocrine disrupting chemicals. So let's start with cans. This, the Blum Pop may not be the best example, but imagine this is a Coca-Cola, because there's an actual study done at Columbia University where they used something called stimulated ramen scattering to look at nanoplastics. And I want you to guess how many nanoplastics they found in a single can of Coke using this microscopy. Now nanoplastics are particles of plastics that are less than one micrometer in size. You have microplastics, which are larger than a micrometer. Yeah, you want to play this?

• 1:09:36Patrick Bet-David?

  This what?

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll talk about this, too. So guess how many microplastics they found in a can of Coke?

• 1:09:44Patrick Bet-David?

  How many?

• 1:09:45Speaker 00

  3.7 million in a single can of Coke.

• 1:09:49Patrick Bet-David?

  What does that mean to us?

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  That's a lot of microplastics. The same study, the same group at Columbia, found 250,000 nanoplastics.

• 1:09:58Patrick Bet-David?

  15 times more, 16 times more than just that.

• 1:10:01Speaker 00

  In a plastic bottle, right? So, plastic bottles, 250,000 microplastics per liter.

• 1:10:06Patrick Bet-David?

  3.7 million.

• 1:10:07Speaker 00

  3.7 million in a can of Coke. Now, the numbers just mean that on a daily basis, we are ingesting millions and millions of nanoplastics. And if you look at this, when you actually assay this, we are literally full of these plastic particles. They've been found in every single man that's ever been studied, in their testicles, they've been found in brain, ovaries, kidneys. Every organ in our body is full of these particles. They can directly be damaging to our ability to produce hormones. They can directly affect the ability of these cells in our testicles to produce hormones. And these microplastics, these little particles of plastic, and I know I sound doom and gloom here, but I'm just giving information so people can make better choices. They can carry, like a Trojan horse, BPA, endocrine disruptor, right?

• 1:10:52Speaker 00

  PFAs, forever chemicals. They can carry pesticides, they can carry phthalates. The plastic particles bring in other chemicals. So, reducing our exposure to plastic is probably one of the single most important things we could do in our lives, for men or women. And the reason we have this one is because, Pat, what is this cup made out of?

• 1:11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Paper.

• 1:11:13Speaker 00

  It's actually lined with plastic.

• 1:11:15Patrick Bet-David?

  This is lined with plastic?

• 1:11:17Speaker 00

  It's lined with plastic in here, because if this were pure paper, the liquid would soak through. So, if you soak this paper in water, you can peel away the paper and see the plastic in here.

• 1:11:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop.

• 1:11:28Speaker 00

  It looks like a condom. I've done this multiple times in my social media.

• 1:11:31Patrick Bet-David?

  It's like a condom?

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  It looks like a condom.

• 1:11:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So, we're drinking water out of a condom?

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  This is also a condom on the inside. You can use sodium hydroxide and dissolve the aluminum, and there's a condom on the inside of this can. So, the reason that Coke has so many microplastics is because it's probably acidic. This is going to be a lot of microplastics when you pour your boiling coffee into the paper cup. And it is just exploding plastic particles into your coffee. So, we think about this, and I said at the beginning of this podcast that this wasn't going to be easy for you, or for anyone, but I think knowledge is power, and you know better, you do better. When you reduce your exposure to plastics, whether it's cans, plastic bottles, paper cups, which are lined with plastic. Plastic containers that you should never store your food or heat your food in,

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  you will significantly improve your health, probably increase your testosterone, maybe improve your erectile dysfunction without these medications.

• 1:12:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Just because of, just because of plastics?

• 1:12:28Speaker 00

  I think plastics are the coming storm for humans. They, this is the storm. This is the thing that we are not seeing. Plastics, in my opinion, I could be wrong, this is the new smoking.

• 1:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So now you drink out of a, you brought your own bottle of water. We gave you the bottled water, you refused it, you took, you brought your own.

• 1:12:44Speaker 00

  It's in glass.

• 1:12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Speaker 00

  And I just want to mention that there was a study saying, oh, glass bottled water has more microplastics than plastic. But if you look at that study carefully, it only looked at large particles. And the numbers they were suggesting were three to four microplastics per liter. So that's what I want to contrast. Three to four microplastics per liter in a, in a glass water bottle.

• 1:13:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is 3.7.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  3.7 million nanoplastics.

• 1:13:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And 250,000 in this guy.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:13:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:13:11Speaker 00

  So don't think about microplastics and don't.

• 1:13:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do I do when I go to a restaurant and I say, can I have some water? What do you tell them? Do you, do you bring your own water when you go to a restaurant?

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  No, you could ask for bottled water at a restaurant. I, this may sound, uh, I, I, I think most people don't understand, you don't want to drink tap water, right? Cause tap water has other problems, whether it's forever. Tap water is a major source of exposure for humans for forever chemicals, which are the PFAs. And forever chemicals do what they say. They kind of stick around in the environment and they can stick around in our bodies. And these are known endocrine disruptors. So you don't want to be drinking tap water. So you go to a restaurant, you should probably be having a nice dinner and using bottled water. Ask them, what water do you have? Is it in glass? I don't think many nice restaurants are going to serve you Fiji in plastic, but sometimes they do. Make sure it's in glass and it can be sparkling or still.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  And any, there is variability in the quality of glass bottled waters. I did a study, which is on my YouTube channel and I compared bottled waters. Any bottled water in plastic is going to be better than, um, tap water. So that's what you want to do. But thinking about your water, I think most people could significantly improve. Their toxin exposure, just by putting a reverse osmosis filter under the sink in their house. Four to $600. All the water you drink is going to be very, very clean because it's reverse osmosis. You're gonna fix all these things.

• 1:14:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Gents, if you're watching this, remember, Saladino, Paul is on Manect. So you may have some private question you want to ask him. That's the whole purpose of Manect. Go Manect him. He actually responds back to, uh, back on Manect and very popular on Manect with the questions guys are asking him. So ED, clear, simple stuff like, I like anything that's very simple. Get rid of plastics is what you're talking about.

• 1:14:54Speaker 00

  Improve the quality of your foods. And like we said with Jeremy Renner, like, okay, did you need TRT? Fix all the other things first.

• 1:14:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He had an injury, right? So he couldn't move and he had some things that, I don't know how many bones he broke. Something happened to the guy, if I'm not mistaken. What happened to him? Did he get?

• 1:15:08Speaker 00

  Snowplow accident.

• 1:15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh yeah, he got into, so he couldn't even move his body to increase his testosterone. So maybe for him, he needed it.

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  Maybe, yeah.

• 1:15:16Patrick Bet-David?

  He used that, yeah. So, okay, so we got that part. Stamina, uh, is this also apply on stamina?

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that, you know, stamina is probably an interesting thing and it's like, I think that when you are-

• 1:15:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it more here?

• 1:15:29Speaker 00

  It's probably more in your brain, yeah. And it's like, you know, we'll get into a little sexual coaching. Guys, just go slow. Breathe, you know, you'll, you'll get it back. And I think that when you're sexually healthy, when your hormones are properly aligned, the stamina will come, you know? Take your time, don't rush. Women are going to like it when you take your time with them. Nobody wants to rush, you know? And so that's, that's a whole different thing, but take your time, go slow.

• 1:15:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It's called stop watching porn.

• 1:15:56Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:15:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Porn is-

• 1:15:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:15:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And one of the best clips I ever saw was Pamela Anderson coaching her son that porn is not really what women want in real life. And she said, I used to, you ever seen this interview with Pamela Anderson?

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:16:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a great clip. And I think her son is sitting right next to her while she's saying this. Uh, yeah, it's the second one. We don't need to play it. I think it's a five minute clip. But she says, "I would go out on dates and I would see guys were like just throwing me around and hitting me and I'm like, what are you doing? I'm not enjoying this." So I had to coach my sons that don't have sex like the way you do. And porn, uh, uh, it's a great clip for everybody to watch, but that's a different story. Okay. So that's more mindset. ED is diet, size.

• 1:16:41Speaker 00

  We're kinda back to children, you know? So parents, feed your boys animal foods.

• 1:16:48Speaker 00

  Getting them enough of these nutrients will allow for proper full development of the penis size. We know that as boys are entering puberty, DHT levels, so dihydrotestosterone levels, testosterone levels, these are linked to how healthy the boy is in puberty. But who are some of the least healthy, like, young men in the world? The ones entering puberty, they're eating Chipotle, they're eating McDonald's, they're eating Burger King. And so-

• 1:17:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Some parents may say, "Paul, I'm gonna call you out on this one. So there's some size incompetence, and they don't eat too well." You know what I'm saying? So sometimes it's not the, it's not necessarily as a kid, that some people are born with it, right? A part of it is just genetics and you're born with it.

• 1:17:26Speaker 00

  A part of it is genetics. I think, you know, micropenis is rare, and look, you can't change that.

• 1:17:31Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a guy in Germany that dealt with that. He had a hard time with that. He wanted to kill everybody in the world, and apparently he was dealing with micropenis issues. I don't know if you've met that guy. Very angry guy.

• 1:17:40Speaker 00

  I can understand why. I can understand why. It's like-

• 1:17:47Speaker 00

  It's rough.

• 1:17:49Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you do with that, though?

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  Micropenis, you can't, you can't do much with micropenis, you know? But, like, I think that for young boys-

• 1:17:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You just broke so many people's hearts right now.

• 1:18:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's pay very close attention to the retention of the podcast.

• 1:18:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You're a runner YouTube channel. I wanna see if it goes like this. Literally, the podcast just went limp right now.

• 1:18:14Speaker 00

  But like, you know, micropenis, we're talking like, an inch, you know, or two. We're not, like, there are statistics on the average penis size across the world, and it's smaller than most men think, you know? I saw this on X, because of course I'm curious, like, what's the average penis size? How do I stack up, right? And you know, like, the largest average penises in the world were seven inches. A lot of average penis size across the world is five-ish to six inches. So I think a lot of men might think that they are under-equipped, because they are, again, watching porn and seeing male porn actors with very large penises. And we can get back to Pamela Anderson here. I think if you talk to women- In a, in a very candid way, women will tell you, they don't, you don't need to have

• 1:18:58Speaker 00

  a 10-inch penis. You don't need to have a Coke bottle-thick penis to please a woman. You know, the vagina is very wide after the aperture. So if you look at a female's vagina, the opening of the vagina is more narrow, but within an inch or two, the vagina becomes very wide. So what do you, you know, like, what, what matters is, the length of your penis may not matter as much as you think, and probably there is a lot of variability between women and what they like sexually. But if you look at the G-spot of a woman, it's within the first inch or two of the vagina. You don't need a-

• 1:19:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You just gained them back.

• 1:19:30Speaker 00

  Oh, we got them back. You don't need an 8-inch penis to hit, and if you got an 8-inch penis, great, man.

• 1:19:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Congratulations.

• 1:19:38Speaker 00

  Congratulations. You don't need an 8-inch penis to hit the G-spot. What you need is, what you need is to be a present lover. You need to have an emotional connection with the woman. Never thought the podcast would go in this direction, right? And you need to understand women's anatomy. So let me just drop something on the men watching this. The clitoris is, is real. Number one, the clitoris is real. The clitoris is not only the small, little, um, organ that you see at the top of the labia. The clitoris goes around the labia, the clitoris extends backward. If you've ever seen a picture of a three-dimensional clitoris, it's much larger than what-

• 1:20:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Careful with your search, Ryan. Type in "three-dimensional picture of a clitoris."

• 1:20:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Can't believe we're doing this, but we're there, folks.

• 1:20:23Speaker 00

  And so like, there's, there's a lot, you know, what's interesting is that the labia of a woman's vagina are the same things that form into the scrotum of a man. So, and then the, the clitoris is the same thing that becomes the penis. And so, you think about a penis growing, the penis also extends further into a man's body than just what's exterior. So there is a lot more tissue there to work with, and thinking about how to pleasure a woman without watching porn is the way to do this. So I think for the majority of men watching this who think that their penis is not big enough, you're probably wrong. It's just that maybe you're not, you're not using it properly, you're going too quickly, you're watching porn, and if you talk to women, they'll probably tell you, "It's fine." So that's what I would say. Now, again-

• 1:21:04Speaker 00

  I think that your, and this is where we really need to talk to the young people. Like the quality of the food that young men eat almost certainly will affect optimal penis growth. So yeah, it's important.

• 1:21:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, next story here.

• 1:21:18Speaker 00

  Hopefully we kept him.

• 1:21:18Patrick Bet-David?

  This was great. And I think we gained him back. We have a new massive audience. So for those of you guys that want to get graphic, Manek Paul, he'll tell you more about it if this is something you want to learn about. Breath. Let's talk about bad breath. Okay. So of course, what you put in your mouth and what you eat and what you put in your stomach. So for some people, maybe, could it be that you never had breath issues and all of a sudden you start having breath issues, but you didn't change anything about your diet? So one, what causes somebody to have bad breath? Because in business and sales, like over the years, I've coached a lot of guys that are selling and they'll say, you know, why is my clothing ratio so low? Well, quite honestly, you smell. You know, if you go into a family's house

• 1:22:00Patrick Bet-David?

  and you're talking to them, you're getting close to them, it smells. So one is they use products to help with their breath. But then the other thing is what can I do that could be internal that maybe I'm starting to have bad breath?

• 1:22:10Speaker 00

  This is microbiome. This is microbiome. So we talked about vaginal microbiome. We talked about gastrointestinal microbiome. The microbiome in your esophagus and your actual mouth, which are connected directly to your stomach, your duodenum, right, your small intestine. This is what creates bad breath. This is what creates halitosis is the technical term. So how do we fix those things? You fix those things. I sound like a broken record, Pat, but it's important because we keep coming back to this idea. You fix these things with quality of diet. So you can change the halitosis in your mouth, in your gut, which is dysbiosis, by eating better quality foods. That is the answer. In the short term, yes, use breath mints. Mouthwash is interesting, right? Because

• 1:22:53Speaker 00

  there's studies showing that if you use mouthwash before you go to the gym, this can affect your ability to gain muscle because we, the bacteria in our mouth produce nitric oxide. Nitric oxide is systemic and is one of the vasodilatory gases, compounds in the human body. So I, I can't say this for sure, but I suspect there might even be evidence that if you use too much mouthwash. If you destroy the microbiome of your.

• 1:23:16Patrick Bet-David?

  It's actually bad for you. Too much mouthwash is bad for you.

• 1:23:19Speaker 00

  It's bad for you. It can affects your vascularity, your ability to dilate. It might even affect erectile.

• 1:23:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Help me understand that.

• 1:23:25Speaker 00

  Because the bacteria in our mouth produce nitric oxide naturally.

• 1:23:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So you need some of that bacteria.

• 1:23:29Speaker 00

  You need back. The bacteria in your mouth are essential. They're essential.

• 1:23:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you use mouthwash?

• 1:23:34Speaker 00

  I do not use mouthwash. I have not used mouthwash. I remember when I was in, before I went to medical school, I went to PA school. And I remember I was in PA school at George Washington University and I was going to see a girl and I just did the Listerine and just crushed it. Walked out the door. My dad goes, whoa. And I was like, it's fine. It's fine. That's the last time I remember using mouthwash, you know?

• 1:23:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So what, what do you not use? So if I was to go, you know, you go to someone's, I think I saw a, an article the other day. If you go to a man's bathroom, there's six to eight products. But if you go to woman's side of the bathroom, there's 332 products. Some ridiculous amount of products versus what we have as men. If somebody goes into your bathroom, what products do you have?

• 1:24:13Speaker 00

  You have, I have a toothbrush that is made from plant fibers. So there's no, there's no plastics.

• 1:24:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Toothbrush made from plant fibers?

• 1:24:21Speaker 00

  So it's, it's an electric toothbrush. The bristles are made of castor oil derivatives.

• 1:24:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Like something like that?

• 1:24:27Speaker 00

  It's, I think that it's called Suri, I think is the brand of the toothbrush. I have no affiliation. It's an electric toothbrush. And the bristles are made of plant fibers. Cause I don't want plastic toothbrush bristles, right? And you think about, just like microplastics, when you brush your teeth with a plastic bristle toothbrush, you're releasing micro nano plastics into your body. So there's a toothbrush. Pat, I don't use toothpaste.

• 1:24:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Zero.

• 1:24:50Speaker 00

  I don't use toothpaste.

• 1:24:51Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, just to say, you're, I don't smell your breath.

• 1:24:53Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:24:55Patrick Bet-David?

  So then you use deodorant?

• 1:24:57Speaker 00

  I, I will use deodorant, but I will use a natural deodorant or I will use rubbing alcohol. If you look at deodorants, you have to be very careful.

• 1:25:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Rubbing alcohol instead of deodorant?

• 1:25:06Speaker 00

  You can. It's the simplest form of.

• 1:25:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, why do you not use deo? Cause Liver King also wasn't using deodorant.

• 1:25:12Speaker 00

  Well, yeah.

• 1:25:13Patrick Bet-David?

  When he walked in, by the way, I'm not gonna lie to you, three people passed out. It was, do you remember that day, Rob?

• 1:25:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19Patrick Bet-David?

  It was, and we were stuck in a vault, because we used to do our podcasts in a bank vault. It was a bad situation.

• 1:25:24Speaker 00

  A bad situation. So, look, just like your mouth, the breath, your human smell is also determined by the quality of the food you eat. Your microbiome determines all, or has a large influence on all these things. So, when I use deodorant, I will use a natural deodorant. I don't want phthalates, I don't want parabens, again, endocrine disruptors going directly into my body. Your armpits are very, um, they're very porous, they're very absorbable. You can intake a lot of things, I don't want aluminum. So, deodorant's fine, just look for a natural deodorant.

• 1:25:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Give an idea, like what?

• 1:25:54Speaker 00

  Ah, what's a good one?

• 1:25:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I've been using the same thing for 30 years and I love it. I use, uh, uh, Polo Sport, the red one, whatever the Polo Sport is.

• 1:26:03Speaker 00

  I'm not sure that's natural.

• 1:26:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I tried a bunch of, no, it's not natural.

• 1:26:06Speaker 00

  Not natural.

• 1:26:06Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but what do you suggest, that, like, that's what I'll use.

• 1:26:08Speaker 00

  You know what, you know what is good, is Primally Pure.

• 1:26:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I use, that exact product you have there is what I use.

• 1:26:14Speaker 00

  So, we can look at the ingredients in that, um, and I'm sure there's gonna be some scents, some phthalates. At least it's aluminum free. I used to use this 30 years ago. Primally Pure, no affiliation, but, um, it's a great company for deodorant.

• 1:26:27Patrick Bet-David?

  What is it called?

• 1:26:27Speaker 00

  Primally Pure.

• 1:26:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Primally Pure, Rob.

• 1:26:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, you see there was fragrance on your deodorant. This isn't, this is essentially phthalates, so these are endocrine disrupting chemicals. Yeah, so this Primally Pure is a good deodorant company, no affiliation, but these are good people, I know them, so.

• 1:26:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what else? So, what else is in the bathroom?

• 1:26:45Speaker 00

  So, so.

• 1:26:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Shampoos, so, you know, so you don't have toothpaste, you have that toothbrush.

• 1:26:50Speaker 00

  I don't have toothpaste, I think toothpaste is kind of a scam. Um, if you wanna use toothpaste, use a natural toothpaste. I have concerns about fluoride in toothpaste, it's very high. And when we look across population data, it's a pretty strong signal that very high levels of fluoride exposure, fluoride exposure are associated with lower IQs. So, I'm not going to actively ingest fluoride, I don't need fluoride in toothpaste. There are natural toothpastes out there, but something as simple as a combination of coconut oil and baking soda can be a great toothpaste. When I use toothpaste, that's what I use, coconut oil, baking soda. Be a little careful, you don't wanna brush too hard with the baking soda, you can strip the enamel, but most of the time, it's fine. So, no deodorant, in the shower. Power, I don't use shampoo. Um, I use soap sometimes and it's a tallow based soap. I don't even know the brand. There's like, you know.

• 1:27:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Soap in your hair?

• 1:27:34Speaker 00

  No, no, I use soap on my body, you know?

• 1:27:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So you don't wash your hair?

• 1:27:37Speaker 00

  I don't wash my hair with shampoo.

• 1:27:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Just rinse it?

• 1:27:39Speaker 00

  Just rinse it. Yep. I mean, I'm in the ocean all the time.

• 1:27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  When's the last time you used shampoo?

• 1:27:43Speaker 00

  It's been a long time, Pat.

• 1:27:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Ten years?

• 1:27:45Speaker 00

  Twenty.

• 1:27:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop.

• 1:27:46Speaker 00

  Twenty years. Yeah, twenty years. But you look at most shampoos and you have, um, you know, scents and again, all the same sort of problems. And there are studies done on women, but I'm sure we'd see the same thing in men. When you simplify your self-care regimen, the amount of these endocrine or something chemicals decrease meaningfully in your body, assayed through urine. I don't put lotions on my skin, Pat. I don't use, I don't know what else people use.

• 1:28:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Shaving cream. Do you use shaving cream?

• 1:28:14Speaker 00

  I don't use shaving cream.

• 1:28:15Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you shave?

• 1:28:15Speaker 00

  I use aloe vera gel on my face.

• 1:28:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You use aloe vera and then razor, just any kind of razor?

• 1:28:20Speaker 00

  Any kind of razor. Yep. So I, and you can see I like to keep the scruff. Um, but yeah, I will use aloe vera on my skin. I don't use, I don't use traditional sunscreens. When I go in the ocean, I use a tallow-based sunscreen. I make it myself. You know, it's tallow, it's coconut oil, it's non-mano zinc, and it's a little bit of beeswax. I just put it on my face for Costa Rican surfing in the morning.

• 1:28:43Patrick Bet-David?

  How often do you surf in Costa Rica?

• 1:28:44Speaker 00

  Every morning.

• 1:28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Every morning?

• 1:28:45Speaker 00

  Every morning, man.

• 1:28:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What time?

• 1:28:47Speaker 00

  Six.

• 1:28:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Every morning?

• 1:28:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And if you, what are you gonna do if you come down here?

• 1:28:52Speaker 00

  Uh, I've got a foil board. So a foil board is a, like a board with a mast and a foil underneath. And it kind of goes on the water. It like flies on the water. I might do some paddle boarding. That's a foil board.

• 1:29:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that's cool. I've seen those.

• 1:29:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. I've got a foil board for here.

• 1:29:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't need waves for that?

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  You don't need waves for that. There's an electric foil board that I have, or you can find little swells. You can foil board. Um, yeah, I'll do paddle boarding down here.

• 1:29:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever surfed in Costa Rica where you encountered sharks or anything?

• 1:29:22Speaker 00

  I've never seen a shark in Costa Rica. I saw a shark in Australia. There are sharks out there. I've seen small sharks when I was, um, uh, snorkeling on an island called Cano Island, which is thirty-two miles off the coast of Costa Rica where I live. Small sharks, reef sharks.

• 1:29:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing crazy.

• 1:29:37Speaker 00

  Never seen a crazy shark. I've gotten stung by a stingray on my foot and that hurt like crazy. So a stingray got me on my ankle and I've been stung by jellyfish that were quite painful. Not all of them are bad, but otherwise nothing. And Costa Rica is amazing. It's pretty safe for surfing. But so you you think about like there's no shampoo in my shower. Maybe there's a bar of tallow soap. We've done videos on this. My bathroom is so boring. There's nothing on the counter, you know, there's nothing on the counter. And so it's just it's not that any of these things are intrinsically bad. It's this I don't feel like I need them. And if you want to use these home care products, read the ingredients, be very careful because they do contain a lot of endocrine disrupting compounds.

• 1:30:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to ask you this next question. A man who impacted tens of millions of men around the world, Jordan Peterson, whom you and I both know about. And he has dealt with certain challenges. I remember in 2019, when I had an event with him, Kobe, the late Kobe Bryant, and President Bush and Billy Bean. That was the event I had at Mirage, I believe. And he was one of the guys that we had there. Right after the event, that's the last interview that he did. Stories have now come out, which his daughter's spoken about. Now his wife is openly talking about this. So this is public information. Jordan Peterson's wife says he's in another realm of pain from psychiatric medication injury. If I'm not mistaken, that's your major in school was psychiatry, an element of it, right?

• 1:30:54Speaker 00

  I did my residency after medical school in psychiatry. I never really practiced, but I was interested in mental health.

• 1:31:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so if you go a little bit lower with this, Rob, on what we see here. So neurological injury is suffering from medication induced neurological injury. Dr. Peterson is at home with family and helpful companions. He's not talking about going back to work yet. Feels like if it's another realm of pain, his mornings are brutally painful and discouraging for him. Later, much later in the day, he sometimes feels some relief. The damage tone from the psychiatric medication from over six years ago takes patients time and loving attention. Go a little bit lower, Rob. It's been well documented, his medical struggle with benzos, which there's many different types of benzos that he openly talk, they've talked about. His family has previously drawn attention to the severe difficulties

• 1:31:43Patrick Bet-David?

  he experienced from the withdrawal. So a lot of people are using medication today, a lot of them. Michaela's posted multiple videos to see what's happening while she gives the updates. And so whether it's Xanax, whether it's Klonopin, whether it's Valium, whether it's a Lorazepam, whether it's a lot of this stuff, what do you, what have we learned from the side effects of this? This is a public figure that we all follow, billions and billions of views online. What do we not know about it yet that we're starting to learn?

• 1:32:16Speaker 00

  These benzodiazepine medications, commonly prescribed for anxiety, over prescribed, very addictive and very habit forming. They oftentimes, as we're seeing here, can semi-permanently change the structure of the brain at the level of neurons. They affect a neurotransmitter called GABA, GABAergic transmission in the brain. And this is a, it's generally an inhibitory neurotransmitter. And so the benzodiazepines make the, you know, the ability of this inhibitory neurotransmitter more in the brain. And so it's calming. It's a similar mechanism to alcohol. And if you know, alcohol is one of the things that you can die from the withdrawal. There are very few things that you can die from withdrawal. You know, somebody comes in, they're addicted to cocaine, or they're addicted to meth, they're not going to die when they withdraw.

• 1:33:01Speaker 00

  When you stop taking benzodiazepines or alcohol, you can die from the withdrawals because of the way it changes your brain. And so what Jordan appears to be suffering from now, it's unclear to me why he originally started using benzodiazepines in the first place, whether it was anxiety. But they're prescribed far too commonly by physicians. They're just, you know, it's easy to get Xanax, it's easy to get Valium, Xanax is very quick acting, it's very commonly abused. They're prescribed so commonly and we're back to, why are so many people anxious? Why are so many people struggling with these issues? Now, a very close cousin of these medications are things like Ambien, the sleep medications.

• 1:33:41Speaker 00

  They're non-benzodiazepine sedative hypnotics, but they're also habit forming. So when we're talking about sleep disturbance, which is a cousin of anxiety, we're giving out Ambien to people easily. And then it's almost impossible to get off. I have a good friend, a well-known woman in the podcast space, and she cannot get off Ambien. She's been on Ambien for years for sleep and I'm thinking, this is not good for you. Not healthy. We need detox centers to get people off this, but people need to be very careful before you go on anxiety medications. A lot has come out recently also about SSRIs or other types of antidepressants, which can be SNRIs, or there's dopaminergic mechanisms for the antidepressants. But these medications are hard to get off. Did you see Theo Von

• 1:34:26Speaker 00

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• 1:37:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Play this, Rob? I've not seen this. I really like what Theo's been saying lately about God and relationships. Is that the clip right there?

• 1:37:24Speaker 02

  I think there's a different one, but it's from the same episode.

• 1:37:26Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, you can find it, yeah. So he said he's been on SSRI's.

• 1:37:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Just watch that, Rob, if you can put that.

• 1:37:34Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think is gonna happen? You think we're gonna be okay? I hope so, of course. I don't know. Do you think about it? I'm confused. I can't believe we went to this. This was in it, okay, yeah.

• 1:37:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. So we're... One of the reasons I didn't practice psychiatry, so just so people understand, everyone goes to the same medical school. I got an M.D. from the University of Arizona. And then you choose. I had the option to choose internal medicine, surgery. At the time, I was really interested in depression and anxiety and neuroinflammation connections between these medications, these pathologies. But I was so disillusioned by what I saw during my four-year residency at the University of Washington in psychiatry that I didn't want to practice. Because what happens is so quickly we get patients on these medications, whether it's a benzodiazepine for anxiety, whether it's an SSRI for, quote, depression. In the clip, Theo says, Joe says, "Why'd you get on it?" He says, "Oh, I think..." I had a bad breakup.

• 1:38:26Speaker 00

  You think you had a bad breakup, right? Which is probably not biological depression. It's just situational stress. And somebody put you on an SSRI medication.

• 1:38:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you remember what pill he said he was taking?

• 1:38:39Speaker 00

  I don't think he said what pill. Prozac is common, right? There's other ones. But then people end up on it for a long time and it makes them feel flat. Depression is not the absence of serotonin in the human body. You can flood the synapses in the brain with serotonin and create flat. This might be the clip.

• 1:39:00Speaker 02

  To get off of antidepressants completely, man.

• 1:39:02Speaker 00

  This is Zoloft.

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  I wanna feel how I'm supposed to feel. So I can have thoughts and actions that uh, that like, make me feel connected to the world. That shit makes you feel dead, man.

• 1:39:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So why did you take them in the first place?

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  Cause I was in a bad relationship 20 years ago and I was having a tough day at, at school and they fucking put, they gave them to me and then I never got off.

• 1:39:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  Because when you get off, it's that, I think we talked about this once, it's hard.

• 1:39:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it makes you more depressed, more fucked up and you're all in balance and you're, you know, probably you're addicted. I lost a friend, I lost a friend in 2005 because he couldn't get off of it. May 2nd. I lost a friend to my best friend, couldn't get off of it. And one day, uh, we were, we were at a restaurant, Shakey's in Glendale. And he went in his car in his Mustang to get something out of the car. He was about to take all these pills in his mouth. I held it, I took the bottles away from him. He's like, Pat, I'm begging you, please, I gotta take it. You don't know how much pain I'm in right now. We took him, we put him in a rehab. He was there for 12 days. And then he got out, he was good for a couple of weeks and then boom, one day I got the call. And he woke up on top of a Bible in his bed and, you know, never woke up. That was the last day.

• 1:40:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So a lot of people are dealing with this and some of them are dealing with it privately and no one knows about it. At least Theo's dealing with it publicly, so he's gonna get help, but.

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  And the thing about these medications is they can increase suicidality. The very thing you're trying to circumvent with the medications. When you mess with neurotransmitters in the brain, it's, it's very powerful. So do not take this lightly. And so again, let's go back. What do I believe is causing depression in most people? It's neuroinflammation. Do you, have you ever felt the way it feels when you have the flu? Or you have a sickness, right? You sometimes feel irritable. You can almost feel that your brain is inflamed.

• 1:40:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, heavy here.

• 1:40:52Speaker 00

  Heavy in your brain. It, for me, when I don't sleep well, if I'm stressed, it feels like there's sandpaper around my brain. I'm just irritable. I'm not a good person. And I think, I can't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that this is the way that someone with profound depression feels every single day of their life. This is neuroinflammation. And you can see that. When we have a sickness, the flu, whatever, the inflammatory cascade that happens in our human body moves to the brain. It crosses the blood-brain barrier. So what I want people to understand is that depression is fixable, just like so many of the things we've been talking about. And again, broken record. It starts with the quality of the food you eat. I have seen, I have seen so many people reverse depression without medications by returning to high-quality foods. It's just, this is the answer.

• 1:41:36Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy, Jordan Peterson, was eating steak. Remember when he said, "I only eat steak"? So he went to the only steak diet.

• 1:41:41Speaker 00

  He was on the benzos from previously, you know? I think he had, so Jordan and the whole Peterson family is interesting. They have a strong autoimmune predilection in the family. So Jordan had some sort of autoimmune arthropathy. Michaela had this. And Jordan, Jordan was the reason I originally started thinking about diet and thought about the carnivore diet, because it significantly helped him. But I think he was on these benzodiazepines from what he was suffering from before the carnivore diet.

• 1:42:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Do we know, do we know what it was, Rob?

• 1:42:11Speaker 00

  That Jordan had?

• 1:42:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, to get on benzodiazepines. I don't know if he's told the story before.

• 1:42:15Speaker 00

  I don't know if he has either.

• 1:42:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't know if he's told the story. And I do know he went to Russia to be able to deal with it.

• 1:42:20Speaker 00

  That was for the akathisia, for the withdrawal. That was part of the withdrawal. So the clear, the clear thing that I want people to understand.

• 1:42:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You're debilitating anxiety. The anxiety was triggered by severe autoimmune reaction to food that wasn't intense. Physical symptoms, including insomnia and sense of impending doom. What does impending doom mean? Like doom and gloom? You think everything's gonna be bad?

• 1:42:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, you think something, you think the sky is falling. So this, my suspicion, he says he began 2016 to 2017. I think Michaela got him on the carnivore diet to, to help this.

• 1:42:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I remember.

• 1:42:52Speaker 00

  And it did help it, but then he had the long-term side effects from the Benz.

• 1:42:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Where he says on the bottom, 2019, the dosage was increased in April of 2019, following a series of family crises. When it'll be his wife diagnosed with a rare terminal form of cancer.

• 1:43:05Speaker 00

  So he stayed on it.

• 1:43:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And then he stayed on it.

• 1:43:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. So what's interesting is that, you know, Jordan's diet used to be not great. He was eating the standard American diet. He was having this psychiatric manifestation of a pad diet. So we've talked about so many manifestations of poor diet in this podcast, whether it's hormonal, erectile dysfunction, depression, obesity, these things are all connected. The quality of the food we eat, this, I feel like this is, you know, I've been doing this work for probably six or seven years now, Pat, and this is really the main message that I've come to believe and that I want to try my best to get out there in the world, that whatever you are suffering from, you can fix this very likely or improve it significantly by improving the quality of your diet. And we started the podcast talking about GLPs. Great, they might be effective, but what are you missing?

• 1:43:50Speaker 00

  You're not fixing your diet. You get on TRT too fast, you're not fixing your diet. You gotta fix the foods you're eating and what's actually causing depression, anxiety, erectile dysfunction, testosterone, a job, obesity, you fix the root cause.

• 1:44:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's, let's deal with this because today, whether it's a doom score on scrolling, right? Or the dopamine detox and porn, TikTok, gaming, social media, overstimulation. We are like all over the place, right? You're like, oh my God, I'm seeing a bit. How many likes? How many follows? How many this? How much subscribe? Everything is about there, right? So it creates a lot of anxiety because data's in our face right there. Information's in our face right there. So anxiety, okay? Anxiety. Today, we have more pressures to show up to the public. Judgment is higher, right? What if this? What if I fail? What if I fall? What if it's embarrassed? What if I get embarrassed and humiliated in front of everybody?

• 1:44:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you tell a Jordan Peterson in 2016 before he's gonna get on this? On how to deal with anxiety? What do you tell a 17-year-old kid? Who is comparing himself to his friends and his classmates as he's dealing with anxiety? What do you tell a 28-year-old? That is thinking about getting married and he's in a relationship, but he doesn't know if he's ready to get married? And he has so much anxiety thinking about the future? What do you tell these folks?

• 1:45:11Speaker 00

  Two things. Fix your diet. And go in nature. Because I think that. When we go into raw nature. Everything makes more sense. I think a lot of the symptoms broadly for humans that we're suffering from now. Are because of the way we've become divorced from nature. It's just when I'm out surfing in Costa Rica. And you're in a huge ocean. Oh, everything makes sense. You cannot stand in front of a mountain at a lake. By yourself with people you care about and think. Ah, you know, I, it's just everything starts to make sense. You get perspective.

• 1:45:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why?

• 1:45:46Speaker 00

  I think that as humans, we've, we are connected to nature in ways that very few people are talking about. We're trying to become more and more. Civilized, right? And I think that we need, we need nature, not, we don't need to live in the woods. You know, you don't need to be. Um, a hermit. But we actually need to go into raw nature to keep perspective on our lives. You ever look at the stars and think, whoa, we are so small? When was the last time you saw the stars? Like really saw the stars?

• 1:46:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Honestly, when I, uh, when I would walk my two dogs. They both died about six months ago, seven months ago. But whenever I would walk my dogs. At 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night, because that's when I would walk them. I would always look at the stars. So it's not something I've been, I've done the last few months.

• 1:46:32Speaker 00

  It's pretty hard to look at the stars. And, and lack, you just think, I'm so small. Whatever I'm worried about right now, I am a human being. Who apparently has consciousness on a blue rock in the middle of a universe? That is massive, you know? Look, there are things that happen in our lives that are stressful, but we are little organisms on a rock in the middle of a massive universe, and I think we forget that. So just take a breath, get perspective, go into nature and realize it's gonna be okay. It's gonna work out. You gotta fix your diet, you gotta fix the biochemistry, but I think we need nature to keep us in the right frame. I do this myself, I get worried, you know, about this stress or that stress or this business

• 1:47:13Speaker 00

  or that, and you think, oh, look at the stars on a really cloudless night, somewhere without a lot of light pollution, there are so, you've never seen stars, you're like, oh my God, this is beautiful. And I think for the human organism, when we do that, when we're in front of a mountain and we can see the grandeur and the scale of what is around us in the world, it does something to our parasympathetic nervous system, this calming nervous system. Even when we look at a horizon, we look at a view, why are waterfront houses the most expensive? Because they come with calm. They come with parasympathetic nervous system activation as you're looking at a vista. So much of what we're doing today is right around us. We're looking at a phone, it's right in front of us, the podcast studio, everything is 15 feet away. What if you could see a mile?

• 1:47:56Speaker 00

  Your brain completely changes. You just get calm. You know, we're looking at a screen, how often as to, for us as humans, do we take in a vista that's grand, you know? And for most of us, it's going in nature, driving to an overlook, or if you're lucky enough to live in a house with a water view or a mountain view, you've got it. That's why those houses are more expensive, because we're calm there, because that's what our, we need that as humans, you need to see where you are. Being in environments like this, I mean, it's amazing to be here with you on this podcast, but being environments like this, this is stressful for us as humans.

• 1:48:29Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I agree, I agree on that part, but give me, so those two hacks, both of them are long-term thinking. Give me the part about how to control your imagination. I have my own way of doing it, I'm curious to know what you would say. When your imagination goes off, okay, you're about to go into a big business meeting, you're about to give a speech in front of, you know, thousands of people, you're about to do a podcast that's a livestream, this is pre-recorded is different, you can edit. Livestream is you're being judged every second, right? It's just going, going, going. Most people cannot do livestream because it's too much.

• 1:49:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You're about to give a speech in front of your 30 students in high school, and they're judging you, they're looking at you. What do you tell yourself to control your imagination at that time?

• 1:49:12Speaker 00

  You know, there are breathing techniques. In terms of self-talk, I think you just have to, when you are, when what you are doing in those situations is aligned with something you're passionate about, I fall back to that personally. You know, before this podcast, I'm thinking, oh, I hope, I hope I'm coherent. I hope I'm clear on this podcast. I hope I can deliver value. And what I go back to for myself is, well, you know, I've done the preparation. I've worked for this. I've, I've done my research. You know, I've done my research. It's like when I used to do running races, the hay is in the barn, they would say. You know, you've done the training. And if you've done the training and you've done the preparation and you have a real, passionate, emotional connection to what you're doing, that's going to come through and you're going to be fine.

• 1:49:57Speaker 00

  People are going to see that, you know? It's, I think that the, some of the most meaningful feedback that I get from people in my audience is that they can see passion and intention come through in my content. And that's not something I'm trying to do, but that makes me feel good, Pat. It makes me think, okay, maybe I'm doing it somewhat right. I can always get better. But if people that see my content can tell that I care about the quality of their life, I've, I've, I've been successful. That's the most important thing for me. That if, if my, if my actual genuine interest in giving people value that will improve the quality of their life comes through,

• 1:50:40Speaker 00

  that's, I think, I'm always a little bit surprised that people follow, you know? But that, that would probably be my guess for why people find value or like what I do, if they like what I do.

• 1:50:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You're very sincere. I'm telling you, I don't know if I told you this, maybe I did. When we were together, my wife would send me videos of you. And you know which videos? The ones when you go on the market?

• 1:51:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're like at Walmart or Target or Whole Foods and you're like, let me tell you about this. Let's take a look at it. Let me tell you about this. Let me tell you about this. And you would kind of go through it. But, but, but it's something a lot of people deal with today, anxiety. And I think half the time it's here. It's preparation, it's spending too much time in the future. You know, it's spending too much time, what if this goes wrong? What if that goes wrong? Do you believe in God yourself?

• 1:51:23Speaker 00

  I believe in something bigger than us. I don't know that I call it God, but I believe in something bigger than us.

• 1:51:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you meditate? Do you pray?

• 1:51:30Speaker 00

  I do. I talk to something bigger than us. Something I sometimes I call the universe, whatever. Yeah. I'm sort of ecumenical perhaps, you could say.

• 1:51:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So, so do you think that gives you an element of believing the future looks bright? And it kind of brings a calming feeling to you?

• 1:51:44Speaker 00

  It helps. It definitely helps. And you know, people will sometimes say to me something that that kind of hits at a core level, like you, they say, they might say, Paul, well, you've been given a gift. And I think, okay, cool. I should be grateful for that. If I have the ability to speak in a certain way, to be a conduit for ideas that probably don't even come from me, Pat, you know? They probably come from something bigger than me, then that's a gift. And my job is just to be the best funnel for that information. And that's bigger than me, you know? That's bigger than me.

• 1:52:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't have kids yet?

• 1:52:15Speaker 00

  Not yet.

• 1:52:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You want to have kids?

• 1:52:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:17Patrick Bet-David?

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• 1:55:32Speaker 00

  I think I'm gonna go, I'm gonna show them nature. And for me, this is my personal experience. I think, there's a couple of things I think about here. When I feel beauty, when I feel moved, I think, how do I feel that? You know? There's got to be something bigger than me. What is beauty? What is my sense of beauty? When I'm in the ocean, when I'm looking at a mountain, I'm like, that is beautiful. What is that, Pat? That, to me, the fact that I can sense beauty is a reminder that there is something bigger than me. And then I look at humans biologically. My biological mind kicks in and says, look at us. Look around us. Things that are alive fight entropy. We stay organized.

• 1:56:17Speaker 00

  Entropy is one of these laws of thermodynamics. The universe tends toward disorder. If you have something and it is not alive, it decays, right? You put a piece of bread on the counter, it becomes moldy. You know, a fruit rots. You know, it's been picked from the vine. A fruit doesn't rot on the vine. It only rots when it's dead, generally speaking, sometimes maybe. But you can see that like the human body doesn't decompose until we are not alive. There is some sort of life force in a human that fights entropy. And what is that? That's interesting to me. What is this animating force of life at the level of our mitochondria, the level of energy production, that allows us to fight entropy? Why does a tree, when you kill a tree, it falls apart?

• 1:57:02Speaker 00

  You know? But a tree is alive. It fights entropy. A rock, maybe not alive, beautiful, minerals, doesn't fight entropy. It decays, right? You get erosion. You know? That's interesting to me, that we are, we are anti-entropic machines. And that's sort of the combination of like my overly analytical thinking and some sort of philosophy.

• 1:57:20Patrick Bet-David?

  When's your birthday, by the way? What month's your birthday?

• 1:57:21Speaker 00

  June.

• 1:57:22Patrick Bet-David?

  June what?

• 1:57:22Speaker 00

  June 29th.

• 1:57:23Patrick Bet-David?

  June 29th. Interesting. June 29th. We got married on June 26th. My youngest daughter's born on June 26th, and Tom Ellsworth is born on June 23rd. You know, when you're, when you're talking about this, my son, oldest son. I'm a sports guy, so I'm hoping my kids want to play professional sports one day. Older son, I would take him in my backyard. He's eight, nine months old. I'm giving him balls and you know, basketball, baseball, could care less. He goes straight to dirt and he's picking up a worm. And he's picking up dirt and just playing with it. I would, you know, we would take him places, could care less. Oh my God, we're sitting front row, seed sports. He's sleeping on the couch. We took him to Alaska.

• 1:58:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Paul, it was a whole different experience when we took him to Alaska. We're walking up in nature. This kid is enamored.

• 1:58:15Speaker 00

  He switched on.

• 1:58:16Patrick Bet-David?

  He switched on. We went all this, it was the biggest, I think Alaska has like where the biggest mating area for bass. I, I don't know if I'm, can you type on Alaska bass mating? And so we went there, we went into mountains. He saw this big eagle that was shot and his beak was broken. He was fascinated by it. What, what kind of fish is it that's a?

• 1:58:37Speaker 00

  Salmon?

• 1:58:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Salmon, go salmon. Yeah. Is it the, uh, uh, uh, salmon mating returned? Yeah. And by the way, they were swimming up. It was a beautiful thing to see. But, um, nature is a beautiful thing. And sometimes we do need to go out there and see it because you see how beautiful the world is. You see how beautiful the universe is.

• 1:58:55Speaker 00

  I mean, don't you think that if, you know, like that's, again, like I said, I don't think, I don't necessarily call what's bigger than us God, but if they're, you know, that's God's creation, you know, that's God's palate right there, you know? That's one of the ways that, nature is incredible. It's very humbling. And I think that as humans, we forget this. And I think that a lot, I think I don't really spend a lot of time in the political sphere, but I, I do think a lot of political decisions would be made differently. A lot of the decisions people make broadly in government and the decisions that I get frustrated about, I think would be different if people had more time in nature. I think one of the things for us as humans that's caused us to go off track is that we're not spending enough time there. And that sounds, that sounds passe, but you know what I'm saying?

• 1:59:37Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I think we need people like you to remind us of that regularly. To go in nature. I really believe that because we're getting more and more so caught up in business, buildings. We're not going out. It's a beautiful thing when you're going out there and seeing it. Uh, and by the way, so this product here. Okay, are you paying me to endorse this and talk about this?

• 1:59:57Speaker 00

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:59:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So you guys know this, he hasn't paid me a penny for this, okay? I'm not happy about it, but he hasn't paid me a penny. I can't, I can't stop eating this. And you send me a box, by the way, sat there. And then I tried, I text you, I said, what is this, Paul? This is ridic- every time you send me a box, it's over. It's done with. So, tell me about this Lineage Protein Bar for Humans.

• 2:00:16Speaker 00

  So you got one right there, if you want to open it.

• 2:00:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:00:18Speaker 00

  I brought some other protein bars here to compare. So if you read the ingredients, and look, real food first. We talked about single ingredients foods. But, the protein bar market is massive, and humans need convenience. You said after this podcast, you're going to your son's school. You know, convenience, we need these things on the run. I know that people want protein bars. And I'm all about real food, so I wanted to make a protein bar. What's out there? You got Quest Bars, the ingredients are crazy. You got erythritol, you got glycerin, you got sucralose, you got polydextrose. You got things that you don't even know what's in here. You got seed oils. You got protein Pop-Tarts today with artificial colors.

• 2:01:03Speaker 00

  You got Red 40 in here, a dye that's been known to cause attention issues in kids. You got, I mean, what's out there in the market for protein bars is pretty darn bad. You got palm oils, again, glycerin, natural flavors. We can't even pronounce these ingredients. You got bars like this with fake fats, like EPG in the David Bar. That, that cause people to have gas with discharge and oily spotting on their underwear because-

• 2:01:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not good.

• 2:01:27Speaker 00

  This, like, EPG is a cousin of that. Remember that Alestra? So I thought, okay, let's make a protein bar. And I've got an amazing team at Lineage. And one of the guys on my team has been in the protein bar space. So what we were able to do with this was make a protein bar with 20 grams of protein. And I don't want this to be an ad, I just want people to understand that these foods are out there that are more convenient. 20 grams of protein tastes amazing, I mean, you can testify.

• 2:01:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I love-

• 2:01:49Speaker 00

  Or you don't like the taste of it.

• 2:01:50Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I texted you, so you can say, did I text you?

• 2:01:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, you texted me.

• 2:01:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is the only thing I texted you, and I told you, I like the other beef jerky stuff.

• 2:01:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, we got you some of that.

• 2:01:57Patrick Bet-David?

  This is my number one.

• 2:01:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, and we gave it to your guys, and they just, they loved it all around. It's really good, it's all ingredient, you want to read the ingredients on the label for people. Like, it's, you're gonna, you recognize all the ingredients, that's what's cool.

• 2:02:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you gonna make me remember that I need glasses?

• 2:02:12Speaker 00

  Want me to read them?

• 2:02:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, if you can read it.

• 2:02:15Speaker 00

  So-

• 2:02:17Speaker 00

  You got grass-fed whey protein concentrate. You got grass.

• 2:02:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yup.

• 2:02:22Speaker 00

  Most of it, yeah, you got grass-fed collagen. There's organic coconut nectar, which is just from the coconut sap of the coconut tree. It's a prebiotic. You got grass-fed beef tallow. That's a fat made from beef. You got organic strawberries, wild blueberries, organic lemon juice, organic raspberry extract. And this one is split here. I gotta look at the other ingredient. But yeah, you got all these. These are all.

• 2:02:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Quarter box, just quarter box for yourself.

• 2:02:46Speaker 00

  Natural food.

• 2:02:47Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the website, Rob?

• 2:02:48Speaker 00

  And you got organic, you got raw honey. It's lineageprovisions.com.

• 2:02:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Lineageprovisions.com.

• 2:02:56Speaker 00

  And you know, it's like, I always think, if you have time, Pat, to make yourself some steak and put it in a glass container and take it with you on the road, real food first. If you're in a run, we wanted to make a good quality protein bar to compete with all the other garbage out there. I've got a couple of their gifts for you. Can I give them to you?

• 2:03:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course.

• 2:03:13Speaker 00

  So this, this is honey from my house. But that's honey from Mariola bees. I don't know if you want to get a little spoon and try some. This is honey from Mariola bees. These are my bees on my house farm in Costa Rica. This honey is different than anything you've ever had. It's much more watery and it's a little more acidic.

• 2:03:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you know what? I had this at a Michelin-starred restaurant in, um, in Aspen on top of ice cream. They put it on top of ice cream. I'm like, what are you doing? He says, just trust me. It's insane.

• 2:03:44Speaker 00

  These are stingless bees. Yeah, they're Mariola bees.

• 2:03:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna use this plastic.

• 2:03:49Speaker 00

  That's okay. We're gonna, we're gonna make an exception.

• 2:03:51Patrick Bet-David?

  All right.

• 2:03:52Speaker 00

  We're gonna make an exception. It's just one.

• 2:03:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna rule here.

• 2:03:54Speaker 00

  We're gonna make an exception. I'm a huge fan of honey, Pat. In the Lineage Bar, we've got lineage honey, which is from Apis bees, Apis melliflora, which are the stinging bees. But this is stingless bee honey. And what's really cool, I have a video coming out about this. When you look at their hive, they don't make the comb. They make these little pods and the honey's in these pods.

• 2:04:13Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the one that's tough to find, right?

• 2:04:14Speaker 00

  This is very hard to find. You can only find it in Central and South America. This is not a hallucinogenic honey. I would, I wouldn't do that to you.

• 2:04:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Starting to see unicorns.

• 2:04:24Speaker 00

  So I wanted to bring this. So that's from my house to you. That's a personal gift for me.

• 2:04:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I love it. Thank you.

• 2:04:29Speaker 00

  I also brought you this because I want to, we didn't have a ton of time on the podcast to talk about it, but I, it's something we can talk about offline. This is a CO2 meter, Pat. And right now, it's actually pretty great. It says 492 parts per million. The reason I bought this is because I thought that maybe we'd talk about on the podcast. The quality of your sleeping environment means everything for your regeneration and how good you feel the next day and your working environment. I think you should get a few of these for your office over there and just make sure the CO2 levels are not high in the building because we know.

• 2:05:00Patrick Bet-David?

  What's good, what's bad?

• 2:05:01Speaker 00

  So you want it to be less than 750 parts per million. I have no affiliation. This is just a brand of a CO2 monitor. You want an NDR, NDIR, infrared CO2 monitor. But what they found is that when you're sleeping in CO2, that's more than 900 parts per million, you're not as sharp the next day. Something for you. How can I upgrade Pat? He's already crushing life. How can I upgrade your performance? Maybe this, put it in your bedroom at night and check what your CO2 level is.

• 2:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Do that tonight.

• 2:05:29Speaker 00

  If it's high, you just open a window, right? You want the CO2 ideally to be less than 750 and then put it in your office, put it in your working environment. Because if your CO2 in your working environment is above 900 or 1,000 parts per million, there are studies showing you are actively degrading your ability to make conquest tax, actively degrading your ability to make complex decisions and to complete complex tasks. So for people that work for you at ValueTainment, you gotta make sure the CO2 environment in an office is low enough so that people's brains work. I think that's fascinating.

• 2:06:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna put that right next to my office today and then I'll take it, put it right next to my bedroom.

• 2:06:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Every time I meet with you, my health gets better.

• 2:06:09Speaker 00

  That's the goal.

• 2:06:10Patrick Bet-David?

  That's, I love that. That's why I love talking to you and we're gonna put the link below.

• 2:06:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then I brought you these organs too. This is from Heart and Soil. So we talked a lot about liver.

• 2:06:18Patrick Bet-David?

  How many dishes should I take a day?

• 2:06:19Speaker 00

  Six.

• 2:06:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Holy shit. That's gonna be tough.

• 2:06:22Speaker 00

  They're just, it's organs. So this is testicle.

• 2:06:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Six a day.

• 2:06:25Speaker 00

  This one is testicle and liver. We talked a lot about testosterone, erectile dysfunction. So the reviews on this one are. Incredible. So the two companies I built are Lineage, Hardened Soil, and these are two of the things I'm most proud of that we built. These are testicle capsules. We have some for your wife, too, so that you guys are balanced, you know, because these affect, a lot of people feel like they affect the libido.

• 2:06:45Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not fair for only me to have testicles. We should share it. I got you.

• 2:06:49Speaker 00

  We have, we have a corresponding one for ladies, which has ovary, ovaries, uterus, and fallopian tubes. So we're not going to give your wife testicles. We're going to give your wife the corresponding female organs.

• 2:06:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Okay.

• 2:06:58Speaker 00

  So we gotta get more organs.

• 2:06:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I respect that. You don't play around. I appreciate that.

• 2:07:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.

• 2:07:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, with that being said, also, if you have any questions for Paul, you can Manect him, ask him any questions. And Rob, let's also put the channel below for people to go find him with his podcast. Paul, thank you so much. You're the best. Appreciate you. Yes.

• 2:07:15Speaker 00

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:07:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Take care, everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

• 2:07:17Speaker 00

  Hey, guys. I am Paul Saladino. You can find me on Manect. If you have any questions about diet, health, recovering from chronic illness or autoimmune disease, I'm excited to connect with you guys all there, and I'll see you in there.

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