Alex Cooper Presents: A Grammy Special (ft. Rosé)

In this Grammy’s special, Alex travels to Korea to experience life in Seoul through Rosé’s eyes. Rosé shows Alex all her favorite spots in the city and opens up about finding her identity, healing from toxic relationships, being nominated for her first ever Grammy, navigating intense media scrutiny, and coming back to Blackpink after a transformative year solo. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 0:45Alex Cooper?

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• 1:30Alex Cooper?

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• 2:13Speaker 01

  My name is Rose. Hi, everyone. It's Rose.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Blackpink is being called the biggest pop band in the world. Billions with a D of U.

• 2:23Speaker 03

  Blackpink arrived with such a force.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  Blackpink's Rose is her solo project.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Can we do that one more time? That was fun. Rose is finding huge success as a solo act.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  First Korean female actress.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Rose and Bruno Mars.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. This means so much to me.

• 2:57Speaker 04

  The final list of nominees for these annual Grammy Awards. For Song of the Year, "Apaté."

• 3:19Alex Cooper?

  Welcome to a special edition of Call Her Daddy. We are gonna do things just a little bit differently today. I came to Seoul to interview someone very special, immerse myself in her culture, and maybe have a little fun along the way. So, if you're ready, let's get into it.

• 3:51Alex Cooper?

  What is up, Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Alex Cooper, welcome to Korea. Rose, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 4:20Alex Cooper?

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• 5:02Alex Cooper?

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• 5:45Alex Cooper?

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• 6:29Alex Cooper?

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• 7:04Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh, she's moving.

• 7:06Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god.

• 7:07Speaker 05

  Hi.

• 7:08Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 7:10Speaker 05

  Thank you. Oh my gosh, it feels like I'm watching a screen.

• 7:12Alex Cooper?

  No, no, I feel like I've been watching you for hours prepping for this. And to see you in person, I'm like, oh my god, it's you, we're here.

• 7:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is crazy.

• 7:20Alex Cooper?

  Okay, this is my first time ever in Korea.

• 7:23Speaker 05

  Yay.

• 7:23Alex Cooper?

  I feel so honored that I get to spend this time with you. So, should we get going?

• 7:29Speaker 05

  Oh, please. Wait, when did you arrive?

• 7:32Alex Cooper?

  Like, 10 hours ago.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh, we need your coffee.

• 7:36Alex Cooper?

  Let's go get coffee, let's go, let's go. Can you even go to a coffee shop? Because we have this entire place shut down.

• 7:45Speaker 05

  Shut down.

• 7:45Alex Cooper?

  Shut down for you, like, can you go normal places?

• 7:51Speaker 05

  If I like, cover up properly, it's usually like the hair. I have like a cap on and then I look like a murderer, basically. And everyone's like, and I'm just like this dark thing walking around. But if I can just like, cover it up, then I can.

• 8:06Alex Cooper?

  I mean, you are sitting in front of me, you're a global superstar. But I do kind of want to go back before all of this. YG Entertainment was holding auditions and your dad encouraged you to try out. Can you talk to me about what that process was like a little bit?

• 8:24Speaker 05

  I think me growing up, like even culturally, my parents, it wasn't like, it wasn't a normal thing to like, send me off to like, something like that. Or like, classes or anything like that. And so, I would always just sing at home, just like on the piano. And I was like, never taken lessons before, so it was very like, organic and stuff, but.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  For him to be like, do you want to take an audition? I was like, like, what? Me? Like, what do you mean? I'm like, I don't have any, I don't, I'm not a great singer. Am I? I was like, am I?

• 9:01Alex Cooper?

  You're like, wait, tell me again, Dad, should I do this?

• 9:03Speaker 05

  Like, what?

• 9:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, but then, Rosie, you go and you audition and you come in first out of thousands of people. Were you nervous going into the audition? Or were you like, I've got this?

• 9:13Speaker 05

  No, I was like laughing because I, when I was like in the line, all these girls were like playing me. They're like, hi, I wrote this song. And they, I'm like, wow. And they'd play incredible, just, oh, they're really good in my opinion. And I was like, oh, my God, this is terrible. And I walk in being like, well, I'm just gonna have to consider it a good experience and just have fun.

• 9:37Alex Cooper?

  What do you think YG saw in you?

• 9:41Speaker 05

  No, I have no idea. Maybe they could imagine, because I remember they were planning on making this group that eventually turned into Blackpink. And maybe I fit that category? Or, or maybe, I think like, since I was from Australia, I feel like that was probably something different. And like, I was from like a different area. I wasn't even from the US. And back then, there weren't many foreign people in these Korean groups.

• 10:12Alex Cooper?

  And then you get the call and you obviously get accepted. You grew up in Australia, but trainees have to live full-time in Korea to do this program. How did you feel when you found out that at 15 years old, you were going to have to move to a new country alone? Like, were you scared?

• 10:31Speaker 05

  Um, no.

• 10:34Speaker 05

  I was just excited. I was like, oh, my God, this is so exciting. This is like so dramatic. I'm like leaving, I'm like, bye, everyone. Like, where are you going? I'm like, I don't know how to explain it.

• 10:46Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I'll see you guys later.

• 10:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, it felt so special. And then, and then it all just kind of was like, and then reality kicked in.

• 10:55Alex Cooper?

  Was there a moment you can remember where it really sunk in like, oh my god, this is happening and I'm completely alone? Like, my family is gone, I'm fifteen years old, here we go.

• 11:07Speaker 05

  I think it was like, as soon as they dropped me off, so we got to the building and they were really nice and accommodating to like my whole family. And they showed us around, like, this is a recording studio, this will be like da, da, da. And then we go to the basement where the rehearsal space was. And then they introduced me to the girls and I was like so shy and I'm like, oh my god, this is so fun, but like exciting and scary and yeah. And then they, and then I said hi and then I remember I looked, turned to my parents and they were outside the room. They're like, alright, we're leaving now. And I remember being like, wait, where are you going? And they're like, well, you have to stay here and now like practice with the girls.

• 11:49Speaker 05

  And I remember being like, like, oh, and I, and they were all watching me, so I didn't have time to process it. And then I remember they like, okay, and then they just gave me like a rough hug. And then the door closes and I remember, so they were all looking at me and then I rushed to the corner, so the door is at the corner. So the, the door closes and then I put my nose like on the corner and I just start sobbing. And then the girls all came around and like hugged me, but I was so scared, like.

• 12:18Alex Cooper?

  Of course, at fifteen years old, like, I think the, the most I could equate it for people in America would be if you went to boarding school as a kid, right? And you get sent away for high school and you go on this excursion for a couple of years. What do you think was one of the scariest things back then that you had to like do alone for the first time without your parents, once you got into the program?

• 12:41Speaker 05

  I think just, just honestly, like, understanding the culture and then realizing hierarchy and like, and having to like, put yourself somewhere amongst all these people when I don't have any social skills yet. I think that's quite scary. It is, uh, I had, I guess, had to do that quite early on and to start navigating, okay, who are, who's, who are the people here that are gonna protect me? And are they gonna protect me? Or is that just gonna be me? And I think that's just a question that obviously potentially doesn't naturally come to a fifteen-year-old. And just the contrast of having like full family going up to like none in a day.

• 13:26Alex Cooper?

  You're on your own?

• 13:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:28Alex Cooper?

  Do you remember a moment that you were like, oh, I thought I could trust this person and that didn't work out so well?

• 13:36Speaker 05

  I think like, I had trust for like everyone growing up, cause I mean, I grew up in Australia and like everyone's just, you have your parents as well and you're just in like, school and it's protected environments and parents would take me to church and again, protected environments and my parents know everyone that's gonna take care of me whenever, whenever they drop you off anywhere. But I think slowly realized with that, when, when you're, when you're taken away from your parents. I think as a child, you just instantly realize that, oh, like, I can't trust anyone. Until like you grow up as an adult yourself and then you, you know how to protect yourself. That's when you can start,

• 14:15Speaker 05

  you know, choosing who you can trust. But I think at that time, I, I, I feel like I probably realized like, for now, can't trust anyone.

• 14:24Alex Cooper?

  The training process was so intense and I think there's a lot of people that maybe aren't familiar with it and it's essentially this twenty-four-seven boot camp where you are training, you are doing singing, dancing, language skills, PR, stage presence. Once you got fully immersed in it and you started taking these classes, like, what do you think was the biggest shock to you of all of the training that you were going through?

• 14:48Speaker 05

  Well, I guess.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  But I went at such a young age that I didn't understand the concept of rest. And now that I'm an adult, now I realize. And then what freedom might mean. Because in the past, I was just a child. And so like, they told me, I'm like, okay. And then now I think about it, um, to kind of do something like every single day, like with no time off. Like, I don't remember, from sixteen to twenty, I don't remember what like hanging out or just relaxing was. I mean, I didn't have any other friends other than the girls that I trained with as well. Eleven AM to two AM was our, our training hours.

• 15:32Speaker 05

  And then I think it was a bit shocking that we all had to just stay in this big dance studio and this extra small studio and just share it all together. So we'd all have earphones and like iPads and just sit around and find places to like have privacy.

• 15:47Alex Cooper?

  Right, so you kind of didn't, or you didn't have privacy essentially?

• 15:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, and so like, the only time I noticed that I was alone was when I was in the shower. So I would wake up earlier than anyone, just so that I can have thirty four minutes in the shower. I remember I'd just cry in the, because I never wanted to show anyone my tears. I don't want to look weak. And so like, I, I remember I'd be like crying in the shower and then I'd be like, then I'd walk out and be like, I'm back.

• 16:13Alex Cooper?

  What were you crying about?

• 16:16Speaker 05

  I mean, being away from home and just, I guess, yeah. And I was just like also, um, going through being a teenager and everything. And so I think I remember doing that and just realizing there's no privacy whatsoever. We even shared a big, like, the living room was a wardrobe. Because we didn't have enough space for everybody's clothes, because it was the tiniest apartment back then. Um, and so we would, the whole living room was just, um, clothes.

• 16:48Alex Cooper?

  After your debut, you guys all shot to insane levels of global fame overnight. You said in an interview that freedom for you is being anonymous. What did you mean by that?

• 17:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think I still feel that way. Freedom is like, I mean, the feeling of the opposite of the word kind of feels like.

• 17:13Speaker 05

  Because I'm not anonymous, I guess a lot more people than before recognized me. And so it does kind of stop me from having some experiences. And so I feel like if I were to be anonymous for a day, then I would feel free to do so many fun things.

• 17:32Alex Cooper?

  What do you think you would do? If you could, all the attention, the noise is turned off, no one knows who you are, you're allowed to go anywhere in the world, what would you do?

• 17:40Speaker 05

  I would go to like the busiest place on earth and just like walk down and just...

• 17:45Alex Cooper?

  Like where, New York, Seoul?

• 17:46Speaker 05

  Yep, New York, Seoul, or like any like theme park. And just walk on the streets and then like, I don't know, just like, just, that's what I, yeah, so like I still go, but like I like, you know, kind of have to like hide, but I'd be, I'd look cute first of all, I'd dress cute.

• 18:06Alex Cooper?

  No like scarf around your face?

• 18:08Speaker 05

  None of that. I'd dress really cute and I would go with friends. Or, this is like the funniest thing, it's in my, um, I don't know if I should say it, but, like my, my dream for a long time is like, I don't, like, I've always like, from like when I was like, I think a teenager, dreamed of going to a theme park with a boyfriend.

• 18:32Alex Cooper?

  Rosie?

• 18:34Speaker 05

  No. You know how like, we kind of shade the people who are like in love and lying? You know how we kind of like, ugh, but I've always wanted to try that?

• 18:43Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I want to do those cute cringe things, like hold hands on like...

• 18:46Speaker 05

  And be annoying and have people be like, oh my god, and be like, well...

• 18:51Alex Cooper?

  And like take cute pictures and like have no one watching you, but like, have a moment where you could just be cute and corny and cheesy.

• 18:59Speaker 05

  And not have to think about...

• 19:00Alex Cooper?

  Anyone taking pictures. If anything, you're the only two taking pictures.

• 19:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:04Alex Cooper?

  Wow. I know, and how crazy, it's like the world would do anything to see you actually do that. Because they're like, who is it? Who was she with?

• 19:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:14Alex Cooper?

  Oh wow. Oh my god, maybe we, you know what? Someone needs to get that for you for like a holiday, like shut down the theme park, let you go with a boy.

• 19:27Alex Cooper?

  And go and enjoy yourself, piss on the Ferris wheel.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  I'd go home and I'd like write in my journal, today I finally...

• 19:34Alex Cooper?

  Dear diary.

• 19:35Speaker 05

  Dear diary.

• 19:37Alex Cooper?

  Today, I went on the Tilt-A-Whirl and we held hands and kissed.

• 19:41Speaker 05

  And kissed.

• 19:43Alex Cooper?

  I'm happy. I'm free.

• 19:45Speaker 05

  I'm free.

• 19:46Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, that's a...

• 19:46Speaker 05

  I know, it's really dumb, but yeah.

• 19:48Alex Cooper?

  It's not dumb. I think you can dream about those little things because you're also still a girl at heart and you're still normal to yourself, right? There's so much you just said that I want to unpack, but I think we should do it over some food. What do you think?

• 20:06Speaker 05

  Oh, please. I've actually been really hungry this whole time.

• 20:09Alex Cooper?

  Right? I feel like I have the best tour guide today. I'm like,

• 20:11Speaker 05

  Oh, yes.

• 20:12Alex Cooper?

  Take me to get some food, Rosie.

• 20:13Speaker 05

  Oh my god, there's so many things I can think of right now and I'm really excited.

• 20:21Alex Cooper?

  We made it. We're here. Tell me how you picked this place.

• 20:25Speaker 05

  Well, I was like thinking, where could I take Alex? So traditionally, there are like way more, but I think a lot has kind of disappeared. But usually outside, there's like a tent and they're called Pujang Macha. And this is the kitchen of it, obviously, so we're not in the tent. But then people used to, like on the streets, there'd be tents. And if you go inside, it's like really warm inside. And like plastic tables, just very like cheap like furniture and stuff. And a lot of people just, you know, on their way to back from work or they would, you know, stop by for like a drink and some really good Korean food. And I think it's like a really traditional thing.

• 21:09Speaker 05

  And I haven't actually been to one in a while and I thought it'd be like a fun experience to kind of come with you, so.

• 21:15Alex Cooper?

  I am honored. I also was thinking, I'm so happy that I'm able to bring you somewhere that obviously you couldn't go normally every day. And yes, we shut this place down, but I also wouldn't have found this myself. So we're both here and we usually wouldn't be able to come here because I wouldn't have found it and you can't because you're too famous. So let's cheers to that.

• 21:35Speaker 05

  Let's cheers to that.

• 21:36Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what are we drinking?

• 21:37Speaker 05

  I think at a place like this, you have to do the so mek. And it's this beer with a shot of soju. Here, I'm gonna show off my skills. I just learnt this skill, so I hope this is gonna be great. I literally learnt it like last week from my friends.

• 21:54Speaker 05

  So this is what they did. Let me...

• 21:57Alex Cooper?

  What is this skill?

• 21:59Speaker 05

  They just get two surgery glasses and measure it like that and then usually it's like the best if you kind of match the line. I am your bartender, basically.

• 22:09Alex Cooper?

  And you mix this with the beer? Is this kind of traditional, like everyone drinks this?

• 22:13Speaker 05

  Yes. 어때요? 맞는 거 같아요? I'm asking the cameraman here.

• 22:19Speaker 06

  네.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  좀 더 안 해도 될 거 같죠?

• 22:21Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what are you asking him?

• 22:24Speaker 05

  I'm asking him if he thinks this is a good ratio.

• 22:29Speaker 05

  Okay. 이만큼? 숟가락 혹시 있나요? I'll have this one. This one looks good.

• 22:34Alex Cooper?

  Okay. What makes one look good and one not look good?

• 22:38Speaker 05

  I think I did a bit more here. And then I think that's just what they do. I didn't

• 22:44Speaker 05

  put my mouth on that, so there you go.

• 22:46Alex Cooper?

  So you don't stir it, you just hit it?

• 22:48Speaker 05

  I mean, apparently, I think that works.

• 22:50Alex Cooper?

  Okay, there we go.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  And then cheers.

• 22:53Alex Cooper?

  Cheers.

• 22:57Speaker 05

  After you start drinking this, I've tried just beer on its own and it's a bit like boring.

• 23:03Alex Cooper?

  So do you drink this usually if you're going out per night out?

• 23:05Speaker 05

  In Korea, yes.

• 23:07Alex Cooper?

  Okay, and what else are you drinking if you're not in Korea? Are you a tequila girl?

• 23:11Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm a vodka girl. Tequila tastes like vomit from the worst nights of my life. So I just, I cannot...

• 23:19Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but you've drank it on the worst nights of your life?

• 23:21Speaker 05

  As in the best and then worst endings of my life.

• 23:26Alex Cooper?

  So fair. You have to keep it for like special occasions. Okay, we're about to eat a lot of food.

• 23:31Speaker 05

  A lot, a lot.

• 23:32Alex Cooper?

  Oh my, thank you so much.

• 23:33Speaker 05

  This is gyeonghwan money, which is like an omelet, basically with...

• 23:36Alex Cooper?

  That looks delicious.

• 23:38Speaker 05

  With vegetables in. This is kimchi stew.

• 23:43Speaker 05

  This is gonna keep us warm.

• 23:45Alex Cooper?

  Guys, it's freezing in Korea right now. We're not just being like bougie with our jackets on, we're actually cold.

• 23:54Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 23:55Speaker 05

  Oh my god, wait, wait, wait. This is like one of my favorites.

• 23:58Alex Cooper?

  What is this?

• 23:58Speaker 05

  It's just dried squid. And then this is a really good sauce.

• 24:02Alex Cooper?

  We'll let this cool off. Um, let's just start with culture. You left Australia, you moved to Korea. You've talked about how it was a culture shock. Like, you were one of the only Koreans when you were at school in Australia. Then you come to Korea and it's like, are you Korean enough?

• 24:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, that's a really good question. Like, I think I always grew up feeling like I definitely looked different from everyone in my class. And that was fine, but just somewhat felt like a bit different. And my culture at home was different because my parents were both from Korea. And I think moving to Korea, I was very excited. And I instantly thought that, you know, everyone there would be like me. And obviously, I haven't grown up here. There was so much to learn from. And I think just like, in terms of how people are, you know, like when certain people meet for the first time, like manners are different.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  And in an elevator, like how your manners would be in an elevator, to like buying things over just a counter. And like, in all of that, it's like everyone has such different manners. And just like learning from like about all of that was much more difficult than I thought. And yes, they came to think of the question of, am I Korean enough? And I definitely have felt a little bit like, because I'm just purely half, like when I went to school, half very like Australian culture. And then I'm also like not. And then coming here, it was just like, my whole life has been a bit,

• 25:45Speaker 05

  and I'm sure a lot of people share the same feeling of just trying to figure out where I belong. But...

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Lately, because I've been traveling like a lot, I've been traveling to like London, to like New York, to LA, back to Korea. And then like for tour, we go to like Asia, like Thailand and all the, in Japan. And because I'm traveling a lot, I think more and more I do that. I feel like I just belong to myself and whatever culture I am, it's just a mixture of a bunch of things. And I think late twenties now, I feel much more comfortable. And that's why I love traveling and I feel like I relate to a lot of people. And yes, I do feel a bit alienated from certain crowds, but I think there's a beauty in that.

• 26:35Speaker 05

  And there was a time where it hurt a bit, like when you're much younger. But like, you know, that's why I'm really grateful for my job as well, because it, you know, it gives me the art of traveling.

• 26:46Alex Cooper?

  Exposes you to all these different cultures.

• 26:47Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:47Alex Cooper?

  And I think what's so beautiful, which is a good message for anyone listening, is like you at first are just trying to fit in and you're trying to be like, I'm like this person or this person.

• 26:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:56Alex Cooper?

  What makes you so beautiful is that you are unique and you have these different backgrounds that make you who you are, that make, that made you stand out when you did that audition and YG saw you and thought, oh, this girl should come, right? Like, there's something about it that's also so beautiful, that you bring these different elements into your life, that you have to look at it as a positive.

• 27:17Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 27:18Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's eat.

• 27:18Speaker 05

  Shall we?

• 27:19Alex Cooper?

  What is this called?

• 27:20Speaker 05

  This is just a 우진오, which is squid.

• 27:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 27:24Speaker 05

  And this is 청양 고추마요, which is like basically saying like chili pepper and mayonnaise.

• 27:30Alex Cooper?

  So we just break it off?

• 27:31Speaker 05

  I would usually grab it and then rip it. 이 문 없이요, 이거 찢어주시죠. 제가 손을 안 씻어가지고. 찢어드릴게요. I didn't wash my hands, so I just have to rip it for us.

• 27:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  And then that's just omelet, so you can try that. It's with ketchup, so good old ketchup.

• 27:51Alex Cooper?

  I'm going for the omelet, guys.

• 27:56Alex Cooper?

  This is my heaven.

• 27:57Speaker 05

  How is the omelet?

• 27:58Alex Cooper?

  It's so yummy. What is this?

• 28:00Speaker 05

  This is pork. That with the... Okay, this... Oh wait, I'm gonna teach you. So get a piece of lettuce.

• 28:06Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 28:07Speaker 05

  It's like a big one, it's fine too, yes. You grab a piece.

• 28:09Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  You grab a bit of sauce. Like that. 저희 청양고추 좀 썰어 주실 수 있을까요? 감사합니다.

• 28:19Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 28:22Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 28:22Speaker 05

  I'm just really excited. I need to come back here again. It's so funny, I eat the same things every day and I still get excited.

• 28:28Alex Cooper?

  Whenever you come to L.A., I'm gonna take you to my favorite spot.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  Please.

• 28:33Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 05

  I love that.

• 28:34Alex Cooper?

  I realized that I haven't acknowledged... I started this episode and I referred to you as Rosé.

• 28:42Speaker 05

  Oh, yes.

• 28:43Alex Cooper?

  And then now, I'm calling you Rosie.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  Something happened.

• 28:48Alex Cooper?

  Something happened? Because I think a lot of people are familiar with... You know, pop stars have these alter egos on stage. And then, they're also a little bit potentially different behind the scenes. Can you talk about what the difference is between those two personas?

• 29:04Speaker 05

  I think, um... You know, like, I started off as... My whole career started as Blackpink and I feel like... It was so much fun creating this character on stage. Because I'm just from like Australia, like, in my bedroom. But like, it was so much fun creating this like pop star, like...

• 29:23Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  Character. It was so much fun and, um... And then I think creating my first solo album, it was my discovery of like... You know, who am I? And like, when I was naming the album, I really thought a lot about it. There was like options like, you know, number one girl. And then a lot of people did, like, was like, what about Rosie? And at first, I was like, ah, it just seems a bit like narcissistic. Sorry, that I'm like, mm, I'm not sure.

• 29:53Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 29:53Speaker 05

  And then it slowly grew on me and then, you know, just the idea of it being Rosie. Because Rosé is, has been such a big part of my life. And that's what we present ourselves as, Blackpink, Blackpink Rosé. And I felt like this was very opposite. 감사합니다. 네, 좋아요. And so, I noticed that it was closer to kind of introducing...

• 30:19Speaker 05

  A different version of me, uh, like, cuz it combined all the stories I would talk about with my friends and family. And they call me Rosie at home. And of course, the online name that the company had made for me from at the beginning of Blackpink, I remember when it happened. It was like the day before they released my picture, profile picture. They were like, Rosé, and like, the name got announced.

• 30:43Alex Cooper?

  And did you get to pick that, or did they come up with it?

• 30:45Speaker 05

  They actually came up with it, and I freaked out. It was like, I think it was like eight hours before it came out. And I was like, I was like, what?

• 30:55Alex Cooper?

  I mean, it's a great name, but like-

• 30:57Speaker 05

  I love it now, but at the time, I was like, what is it? Rosé? I'm like, at first, I was like, I sound like a grandma. At the beginning, until it like-

• 31:07Alex Cooper?

  But did you know that you were going to have a different name presented, or did you think you were gonna be presented as Rosie?

• 31:14Speaker 05

  I don't know, I don't think I really thought about that. And everyone called me Rosie. And I guess, back then, I had like no clue about like, I'd never questioned what's my name gonna be, even, I'd never even questioned that. And then they were like, hear me out, Rosie, and then they like, typed it on the computer, and they're like, look, it's gonna look so cool. And then I saw it on screen, and that's when I was like, okay, it looks nice, you know, yeah, and so.

• 31:43Alex Cooper?

  감사합니다. Perfect timing. Wait, we still haven't tried your favorite thing.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  That one might be a bit interesting, we'll see if you like that.

• 31:52Alex Cooper?

  What do you mean by that, Rosie? What are you trying to say? Should I go for it?

• 31:59Speaker 05

  So it's dry squid.

• 32:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 32:01Speaker 05

  And then I usually just dip it in the green one, it's a bit spicy, so you have to- I don't know how good you are with spicy, I'm not sure.

• 32:10Alex Cooper?

  I think I'm pretty good.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 32:12Alex Cooper?

  I said that in-

• 32:12Speaker 05

  Wait, take, take that big chunk off, yeah, that might be bad.

• 32:16Alex Cooper?

  I feel like I'm not trying to kill you on our first hangout, okay?

• 32:19Speaker 05

  아, 감사합니다. 아, 네, 감사합니다.

• 32:24Speaker 05

  It's really hard. You have to chew on it, chew on it.

• 32:28Alex Cooper?

  Or rip it.

• 32:29Speaker 05

  Chew on it, just take your time.

• 32:31Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 32:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 32:33Speaker 05

  You're like, what?

• 32:34Alex Cooper?

  I didn't, I wasn't ready for that.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  It's just, it's not that crazy, but it goes really well with beer.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  You're like, what?

• 32:48Alex Cooper?

  This is why I was so excited for this though, because I would never have ordered this myself because I would have been like, what is that? I don't even know what to do with that. And the fact that I now have enough information that I can go to my friends and be like, this with beer?

• 33:03Speaker 05

  Is amazing.

• 33:05Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's really interesting. I've never tasted anything like it.

• 33:09Speaker 05

  I think if somebody introduced that to me, like after I grew up, I'd be like, what? But my parents would like, every time we watched TV together, my mom would like get one and then like, you know, kind of grill it over the stove and bring it, it's like nice and warm and then it'd just be like so good.

• 33:24Alex Cooper?

  I want to talk to you about how we don't obviously have this in America, but you are literally referred to as an idol, right? And the pressures that initially come with that culturally when you come to Korea and you become a K-pop star, like how has that impacted your self-esteem?

• 33:45Speaker 05

  I think

• 33:48Speaker 05

  from a young age, it's just kind of like trained my brain to dream like big. And I think, which is crazy that this is kind of almost happening now, is that like I always kind of thought like, I really want to like

• 34:04Speaker 05

  be as big as like,

• 34:07Speaker 05

  like Beyonce and I loved her and like Michael Jackson and I thought like,

• 34:13Speaker 05

  I'm gonna be big. And then I guess over the years, I think reality kind of hit. Now, looking back, I think it means way more to me than I thought it does and myself and many other girls and kids around the world who are now seeing a bit of a difference in culture. And I think it does excite me and it scares me a little bit, to be honest. Um, but ultimately, I think I I it'll just make me really happy if any girl in like high school now just feels like they can go to school and talk about Korean food that they like, or anything different, or

• 34:56Speaker 05

  type of music they like, so whatever that music is, even if it's not like the cool thing at school where everybody likes it, even if it's a bit different than ever everyone accepts, oh, there are people who like different things and we're all we're all from the same world and we're all now connected, you know, with this era of media and technology, I'm I'm grateful to be a part of it, but I think now I'm I'm just like, you know, it's a bit like, I'm so flabbergasted.

• 35:25Alex Cooper?

  Well, it's cool too, because what you're essentially saying is you didn't have fully someone of representation that you could luck up to as a kid that was diverse in the way of where they came from and what they did and what they were doing and what they wanted and they weren't vocal about it and because maybe that there wasn't a platform or there didn't wasn't someone who existed. You're now the girl that you wished you could have looked up to as a young child.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 35:54Alex Cooper?

  And so how cool that you're providing that for young women now, even if you're different, even if you don't have the same story of the people that you see online, then create your own story and share your own story and how beautiful is that?

• 36:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I was just thinking as you were speaking, like, uh, even vice versa, like even coming to Korea, I think there was a moment where I was like, oh, I wish I was just, I wish I went to school here and I wish I like knew the same jokes as all the other girls and I wish I was as cool as like the girls who went to school here in Korea. Cause I was just like, I'm like a foreigner, I kind of seem like a foreigner, like my accent is a little different and the way I say things isn't as cool as the other girls here. So vice versa, I think there was even a period that while I was here too, like I wished like I was part of like the majority. Um, and so I think it's it's it just obviously proves to show that like anyone around the world can feel a bit isolated and a bit alienated, um, but it's

• 36:49Speaker 05

  Amazing to see so many people like just being given the same platform and the given the same flowers that as anyone else has who has achieved something or has done something amazing or um has worked really hard on something. And I get nervous thinking about it and I don't know why I feel like I just everything's happening so quick.

• 37:08Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  But.

• 37:10Alex Cooper?

  Why like you feel like you don't have time to digest it and like kind of.

• 37:13Speaker 05

  Just understand the meaning, like what that means to me. I think I always kind of thought it was very simple, like if I get up on stage and even the VMAs, you know.

• 37:22Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 37:22Speaker 05

  Um, and just I thought it'd be very simple and like straightforward, but I feel like maybe because I you know, a lot of different things like.

• 37:31Alex Cooper?

  It's complicated.

• 37:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, who do I want to be for the people that I want to inspire and what does that mean to me first of all? Like navigating all of that, but this this whole thing has just been really, really incredible to watch.

• 37:42Alex Cooper?

  I also think that and that's so relatable for a lot of young women and older women is like feel like we're always lost in and torn between feeling comfortable in our own skin, feeling like an other in a room. Like you said, feeling like you wish you could relate to those girls, but now that's actually your superpower that you had this advantage of but at the time when you feel like the other, there's nothing worse than that. But then when you look back and you have the perspective of what that how that made you special and unique. You wish someone would tell you that in the moment. So I think sometimes we're trying to come to the conclusion of anyone watching and listening of like why do I feel alienated and why do I feel alone and how do I make sense of this? And it's like

• 38:26Alex Cooper?

  sometimes you really just have to live through it and not try to overcomplicate it and just let yourself be in your emotions. And a lot of times it just has to be perspective, lived experience, right? But we all are so. Understandably insecure and we want to fit in because

• 38:44Speaker 05

  We're human.

• 38:45Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, we're human.

• 38:46Speaker 05

  We just want to feel normal.

• 38:47Alex Cooper?

  And here we are from such different cultures and such different backgrounds and I feel like Already being in Korea, I was so excited to immerse myself in this culture and learn about you and I feel like There are so many similarities that I find between us as human beings.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  And to feel like home wherever you are, just as long as people connect like that, I think it's like It's really magical and I feel really grateful.

• 39:09Alex Cooper?

  I wanted to thank you for inviting me to your show this weekend.

• 39:13Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 39:14Alex Cooper?

  Yes, to anyone who doesn't know, Rosie has a Blackpink concert this weekend, which I'm going to be going to. And so I thought it would be fun for us to maybe Head to your recording studio and talk a little bit more about The magic behind how this album came to be. So I think we finish eating And then we get into it.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  Sounds good.

• 39:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  Yay!

• 39:55Alex Cooper?

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• 42:47Alex Cooper?

  We have your gorgeous, famous dog with us today. Your mom's just gonna talk about a couple things about her album and then you'll be done. Tell me about what headspace you need to be in. And to be your best in the studio.

• 43:00Speaker 05

  I just need to not think. Personally, personally, the last album, I realized that it was so much more free flowing in the studio when I was just myself fully. I feel like everybody has stories to tell on like a day to day basis. And like usually you would maybe talk to your therapist about it, or you'd talk to your boyfriend about it, or you'd talk to your best friend about it. But I'd kind of save that. And anytime I felt something, um, felt like speaking my mind, I would quickly find a studio and the people that I love to work with and just

• 43:38Speaker 05

  pop in and I would just, you know, kind of let it out there just so that, well, for the last album, so that it feels very intimate. And so it feels like a journal.

• 43:50Alex Cooper?

  A lot of times when you write something down in the exact moment, you may not feel that way tomorrow, right? So to be able to capture exactly how you were feeling in that moment, it's important.

• 44:00Speaker 05

  No, I agree. I actually like have thought about that recently as in like, um, listening back to some of these songs. I'm kind of shocked because there was obviously like a time in my life where I was, but this was a really big subject. But like now I think about it, like I'm like, wait, oh yeah, yeah, no, I think I remember, but if I listen to the songs, it was such a thing.

• 44:25Alex Cooper?

  And you were so affected by it.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:27Alex Cooper?

  And now you're kind of like, oh, that thing.

• 44:29Speaker 05

  But to imagine that these things just get lost in time, there's an unreleased song that I heard randomly, I was getting my makeup done for like something and I was like, what happened to that one song? And then like I searched it on my phone and I found it and I played it and I, I remember I almost cried because I was like, oh my God, I was really serious about that and I almost forgot. I was like, oh yeah, that happened. Next.

• 44:55Alex Cooper?

  Why didn't you release the song?

• 44:57Speaker 05

  Uh, I wrote it after the album. It's more of like a recent thing.

• 45:00Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God, would you ever release it?

• 45:02Speaker 05

  That one I would love to. It is one of my favorite ones, but and then I only realized that it was such a special song months after. I remember when I wrote it, I was like, oh, it's a bit cringe. That's what I thought in the moment. So it was obviously too vulnerable at the time. Like, oh, I don't know. It's just too. Too sweet and I don't know, I don't like it. Um, but then I heard it again months later when I was completely over that. And I was like, oh my god.

• 45:29Alex Cooper?

  Right, like it's so sweet and honest to what you were going through.

• 45:32Speaker 05

  And I was just like, I almost forgot about that.

• 45:35Alex Cooper?

  Wow. Okay, we're gonna get into all of this. Late 2023, Blackpink took a break so that you and all the other women could pursue their own careers. What were those behind the scenes conversations like?

• 45:50Speaker 05

  Um, well, we kind of had like a timeframe to kind of decide what we're going to do. And, you know, we had fans waiting to hear about how things are gonna be um after that long contract ended. Um, and so I remember we were on tour, then the last tour. So there were a lot of times we were like, you know, together, we were like on flights together. And it didn't happen over like one conversation, it happened over a few and um and it evolved and I think we allowed each other enough time to, you know, kind of really think through what we as a group and individually want.

• 46:35Speaker 05

  You know, we still have a few things we need to do as the, as Blackpink. And, you know, we have to have more time to celebrate the things we've achieved. But we are also growing up right now and we haven't had enough time to be fully ourselves or explore that ever. We weren't really allowed that. Um, and so we allowed ourselves that one year. And to see all the things that all the members have accomplished. Um, it's really fun to watch and I think it's, yeah.

• 47:08Alex Cooper?

  Were you guys nervous to tell the fans?

• 47:12Speaker 05

  Um.

• 47:14Speaker 05

  I don't think so because we had the plan to be back. And we're on that tour right now, the promise that we had made. I think it was such a healthy decision that we were more excited to announce that.

• 47:29Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, there's so much speculation because I agree, like, everyone kind of knew that that was a long contract. And then to re-sign a contract, I think, obviously, so many of your fans were so excited, understandably. I don't know how much you can share, but like, is it longer? Is it shorter than the first one? Can you give us any details?

• 47:47Speaker 05

  Um, I don't know about length, but for sure, we learnt much more.

• 47:53Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 47:54Speaker 05

  About the things we should really like focus on for the benefit of the whole business. Um, and so, yes, it took much longer than the first contract. I don't even remember doing the first one. Like, when did we even do that? We just like sat down and.

• 48:10Alex Cooper?

  Signed your name.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, did we even read? No, I'm sure we did not read through anything. But I do know that there are a lot of other people who do sign things early on in their career without that. So, um, you know, now even more, we're more aware and we understand the weight of signing these things as musicians. And again, about protecting yourself.

• 48:33Alex Cooper?

  Of course, because it also comes with experience, right? Like, I have signed contracts myself. And I remember when I was so young, like, you don't know what you want with your career. You don't know where you're going. And I think what's so beautiful is you guys having this time to have your independence. You've also grown as individuals. And so you're now able to advocate for yourselves in a way that you didn't, you maybe weren't capable before.

• 48:56Speaker 05

  Hmm, I agree.

• 48:58Alex Cooper?

  Have you guys ever talked about what would happen if one of you didn't want to continue in Blackpink?

• 49:06Speaker 05

  I think we've.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  Don't remember like specific conversations, but no, I think, I think, yeah, if one of us feels like at that time, that's not the right thing, then we're all in. We, we will, we will understand and Blackpink, like any relationship, if one person is not ready for something, then it should just be respected. And I think we will always be ready to do that because Blackpink is only four members, first of all. So we will not be able to neglect anyone's, you know, decision at any time in their life. And we trust that every decision made is, you know, the right decision for each person. So, yeah.

• 49:52Alex Cooper?

  Okay, fans are constantly, I feel like they do this to every group, but like they're always speculating, obviously, of like, what is the group's dynamic and are you guys sisters? Are you best friends? Are you just coworkers? Like, what's the vibe? Like, I want to hear from you. How would you describe your relationship with the women in Blackpink today?

• 50:11Speaker 05

  I think it's all of that. I feel like, um, we're best friends, we are sisters, we're like family, we are colleagues. What else did you say?

• 50:21Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, all of it.

• 50:22Speaker 05

  What else was on the table? It's really all of that combined. It's, I do agree that it is a very unique, um, relationship that we have. But over time, more layers have added, been added on to the type of relationship we have. But even more so, I think it feels more solid. And as I've actually had that one year apart from the girls, which we were very much apart, everyone was so busy flying around the world, like we couldn't tell who was where, um.

• 51:00Speaker 05

  We've also created unique experiences outside of Blackpink after coming, after, you know, sharing all of that together and growing together. We all went out and um experienced the world um individually past that. But to come back with those experiences, there's nothing better to feel like there's somebody that understands exactly how you might have felt or what you feel. Um, and it is a unique, unique experience, um, as everyone has their own. But just knowing that even my like actual family doesn't understand what I feel sometimes.

• 51:41Speaker 05

  Or even my best friend doesn't see the world exactly how I've seen it. But you know, there is so much in my life that Blackpink understands. And so it's so nice to meet what like the girls along the way of this whole journey. And being able to talk about things and feel like I'm being heard and understood. And I don't have to make it up. I don't have to explain over like hours about why I'm feeling this type of way. Um, and I feel like that's just gonna keep growing over the years.

• 52:17Alex Cooper?

  Did you have the girls listen to the album before it came out?

• 52:21Speaker 05

  Um, we were so apart when that happened. I let Lisa listen to a few when I was in Korea and she was in Korea. I'm like, thank God you're here.

• 52:31Alex Cooper?

  What was her reaction?

• 52:32Speaker 05

  She loved 3AM. It was named something different back then. Um, we were traveling so much that I, and then I met Jenny once in New York.

• 52:42Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what was 3AM called before 3AM?

• 52:45Speaker 05

  Um, Want It To Be You.

• 52:47Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's talk about the album. Obviously, the Grammys are coming up. You are Grammy nominated. How are you feeling?

• 52:55Speaker 05

  Oh, wait, that's a big question.

• 52:57Alex Cooper?

  I know.

• 52:58Speaker 05

  I was like, oh, wait.

• 53:00Alex Cooper?

  You're like talking about Lisa and like 3AM, then I'm like, yeah, hi, we're Grammy nominated. How are you feeling?

• 53:07Speaker 05

  It feels like, I, I thought of this when you asked me about um getting selected uh to, from YG at that opening audition to fly to Korea. And I was trying to like. And then it it made me think, I think it's the same feeling as this nomination. I remember when that happened, it was like, I thought that would never happen. Like, I never thought I would ever fly to Korea and live in that city, ever. Like, I always kind of dreamed of like, it'd be so fun to live in Korea. Like, I grew up in New Zealand and Australia, so like, just living in Asia and that city is just like so fun and different.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Thought it would never happen and and going there to like, you know, chase after my dreams, like, how fun. And then again, the Grammy nomination, it feels like, oh my gosh, I I never thought that would be possible. Um, like, yes, Blackpink and we're getting so much love and I'm I'm so grateful for that and it's so exciting, but but that I didn't think my I didn't think it would be a possibility, but I feel like they're quite similar. So it's like the second chapter of my life, being like, oh, oh, my gosh.

• 54:25Alex Cooper?

  It's really exciting and it's incredible what you've done and to come out with a solo album, be Grammy nominated for these songs, like, it's it's incredible and you should be so proud of yourself.

• 54:36Speaker 05

  Hey, thank you.

• 54:37Alex Cooper?

  I want to ask about your song, Number One Girl. In a lot of interviews, you've obviously referred to the song as disgustingly vulnerable. Talk to me a little bit more about what you meant by this.

• 54:49Speaker 05

  Well, this one was about, like, I'm sure you go to a lot of events when you're in L A. There are like so many fun, exciting events that you feel so lucky to be invited to and it's like so glamorous and fun. But I was like invited to an event and it was at the very beginning of this one year, before this one year like started. And I went to the event, um, and I felt like, just really like, I was in a place that was supposed to feel so glamorous and exciting. I felt really like, hmm, like, I was comparing myself to everyone, I didn't know how to act.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  And I remember coming back home feeling really depressed and like, ugh, I don't feel very special or good. And then the next day, I remember I just like cried in the hotel and then I was like on Instagram.

• 55:42Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's literally the worst combo. You're crying and then you're like, let me open Instagram, then you're like.

• 55:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:47Alex Cooper?

  That just made it worse.

• 55:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, and there were like comments, it like there were comments about like, where is she going with her career? She hasn't announced this, this or that, like she has no idea what she's doing. And I had just started the year to, like I'd gifted, you know, you know, with the group, we've gifted ourselves this time to be free and explore and

• 56:14Speaker 05

  and really kind of just, for my, for myself, I think, I don't know, I, I feel like I can't speak for the other girls, but for me, I think I was looking for what my passion was again and what made me really happy and driven and excited and it hadn't even started. But that's what I saw and I was just like, oh my gosh, I feel terrible. Um, you know, I remember in the morning I had a session that day and I was getting ready and I'm like, I couldn't put my like makeup on cause I was like, eh, it was a bad day, you know? We go through it once in a while.

• 56:53Alex Cooper?

  Of course, of course.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then, um, I got to the studio and they were like, what should we write about? I'm like,

• 57:02Speaker 05

  I don't know, I've just been feeling really, really bad, like I feel really, really just, I feel shit, basically. And it sparked, I was like, I, can we write a song that's, cause I know a lot of songs can kind of have hope in it and have these hopeful feelings in it, but that's not how I felt and I needed a song that I could relate to. Cause a lot of the times on the, like I, I want to be presented to my fans as like, I'm independent, I don't need people's approval. I don't, I'm my own thing, da da. We love to be that way, but it's not really.

• 57:37Alex Cooper?

  Realistic.

• 57:38Speaker 05

  Realistic.

• 57:40Alex Cooper?

  That is why your fans were so receptive of this. Because yes, it could be considered as a human being. You're like, is this embarrassing? I'm wanting this validation and I'm wanting this attention. And I think it's such a relatable feeling, but it's something that we keep really close to our chest and we're embarrassed sometimes to admit.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  I was so embarrassed of myself. That was the day I think I woke up and I was like, oh my God, I feel so embarrassed. Like, I don't feel confident at all, but like, how embarrassing. I was on Instagram all night looking at these comments and I felt embarrassed that I had let those emotions really affect me.

• 58:17Alex Cooper?

  How do you think for you personally, your desire for validation and acceptance has impacted the way that you let people treat you?

• 58:26Speaker 05

  I have let people get away with, I think, a lot of things that has made me sad and like, has made me cry. I think I let a lot of things make me really, really sad. But I, I've noticed this thing where I sometimes protect people. And I don't know why. I think I, I'd like to think I have a lot of love for certain people in my life. Uh, but, uh, to a, to, to a certain extent that I want to be validated by them. And then their actions of making me actually sad or feel sad is forgiven and I turn that around and I understand them.

• 59:10Speaker 05

  And then I, and then I would probably blame myself. Um, I'm still living through that. I'd like to think that's because I'm still in my twenties and hopefully people say when you're like, when you turn thirty, then like, things start to make sense. I'm just hoping that kicks in soon.

• 59:28Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I feel like in a couple of years, it's really gonna turn around for me. No, that's relatable. It's like, you can't, please, please, if you're up there, please. Um, let's talk about a major theme that I do think relates to this, which is in your album, is toxic relationships, right? Um, you open up about some of the toughest moments that you've been through in your life, essentially. How was writing about these feelings healing for you?

• 1:00:02Speaker 05

  I think first of all, even in therapy, I feel like the main thing the therapist kind of makes you do is acknowledge your emotions. Um, but a lot of emotions, I feel like is kind of looked down on. Um, and that's a good thing because online and on media, like we're, we're encouraging each other to love yourself more and accept yourself more and be confident in yourself. Like, don't be sad. Be confident, be a boss girl, right?

• 1:00:39Alex Cooper?

  Sounds so easy.

• 1:00:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, sounds very easy. No, it's obviously not. Um, and so I feel like first of all, being just true to how I really felt. And I didn't know if it was easy because it was my first time in L A and I didn't really know anyone. I just like talked about anything and everything. I might be more conscious about it now. But at that time, I just like talked about everything. Like, I would be like, oh my gosh. I did this and I did that. And honestly, I feel this and that. And it'd just be funny. I'd make fun of myself. But it was just true. And so as I did that, I was accepting my flaws. And

• 1:01:25Speaker 05

  it's so funny because over time, now when I do that, I realize I do become more conscious. Because I, I want, I want valid, I'm, you know, I have that in me too. When I talk about some, like certain themes or like some, certain subjects, I do kind of go like, like maybe I shouldn't feel that. Maybe I should act more sophisticated. Maybe I should act a bit more like I have more self-respect because sometimes I don't. But I think that's

• 1:01:53Alex Cooper?

  Relatable. So real.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, and of course, a lot of the times I do, I do love and respect myself, but then like, you know, sometimes like I'm still growing up and kind of navigating the world of like, you know, wanting to be loved.

• 1:02:06Alex Cooper?

  Of course.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  I have sometimes, you know, abandoned some of these things and, um, yes, later on, I I could regret it, like a more mature version of myself, a more experienced version of myself could be like, Rosie, you don't need to be like that. But I feel like in the moment, like I'm still learning and growing, but then I, so like in these songs, is that's me just being, um, accepting that emotion for what it is and laughing about it at the same time, but not being conscious about of about of like what other people would be thinking about me.

• 1:02:39Alex Cooper?

  But I think that's why people were so receptive of this album, because I feel like you've spent the majority of your career, we saw you trying to be this perfect girl, right? And there was an image that was upheld. With that, I think then your fans would assume like, there's no way this girl has experienced heartbreak or there's no way that Rosie would get herself into a toxic relationship. Like, she's better that. And it's like, no, we've all been there. So I think it was a breath of fresh air, probably for your fans to be like, oh, my God, you too.

• 1:03:05Speaker 05

  I think it felt really liberating, just talking about it and being reckless. Cause anyone who really like cares where love loves me might be like, Rosie, just don't say that. People might think you're a bit like, a bit of a wreck. But I kind of didn't care and I I felt so liberated. The funny thing is, even after feeling that, feeling so free, I think I have come out of it and I still experience the shame of like, I do feel this, but then I like say it and then I go, is that person going to think I'm like, I don't have enough self-respect? I really want to like stop doing that, but it's a habitual thing where I tried to keep filtering the things I say. I feel like society also kind

• 1:03:49Speaker 05

  of makes you feel that shame.

• 1:03:52Alex Cooper?

  Yes, feel bad. Like, why aren't you better? Why didn't you leave? Why did you stay for so?

• 1:03:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:56Alex Cooper?

  I wrote down that in one of your songs, you know, you talk about knowing the relationship was unhealthy from the beginning.

• 1:04:02Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:03Alex Cooper?

  That is so relatable, but you're like, wait, but like, it also feels good sometimes. For you, what were the signs that it was toxic?

• 1:04:10Speaker 05

  I mean, I was young too. It was just not a good match. But we liked each other, so we just kept it going for a bit. Um, and yeah, I, I think it's just like, now I know a bit better than that to identify. We might not be very happy together, maybe, but.

• 1:04:37Alex Cooper?

  But I also think, again, having grace is like so many young women will be listening to this and it's like, the feelings of love and happiness, they bring you back even if there is something toxic or there is a red flag, right? It's like, because then you move forward and you forget the red flag because then you go to dinner and then you're happy.

• 1:04:57Speaker 05

  I still experience that, yeah.

• 1:04:58Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you're like, girl, this is happening to me right now. Thank you. Um, full therapy session. Um, what is something you know you will never put up with again?

• 1:05:07Speaker 05

  First of all, if they're kind of like, not being like super nice to your friends or family, as in, I think they should make an extra effort.

• 1:05:19Alex Cooper?

  People that are not good to your friends and family, I agree, ladies, if you're watching this, like, please note that you're not being crazy and your friends and family aren't being crazy because sometimes they can convince you like, oh, you know, so it's like, no, no, no.

• 1:05:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, like if I've introduced this girl as my best friend, she's my best friend. You can't be like, I was busy talking to other people and she's my best friend.

• 1:05:43Alex Cooper?

  Put in the work.

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, because I would, if I meet anyone that's, you know, my boyfriend's best friend, I'd be like, oh my God, I, I want to be extra nice to that person because I care. So it's very weird if somebody's like, uh, it, it just means he's uh, either thinks he's really amazing or he doesn't really respect you.

• 1:06:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Speaker 05

  Or hasn't learnt how to respect a partner.

• 1:06:10Alex Cooper?

  I agree. One of your favorite lyrics you wrote was, that I wrote down from your album was, did letting me down get tiring? How in your life and past relationships have you felt let down?

• 1:06:21Speaker 05

  Uh, uh, all the exes.

• 1:06:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think, all of the exes, maybe?

• 1:06:29Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 1:06:30Speaker 05

  Rosie. I mean, let down. Hmm, let me think. All of them except. One.

• 1:06:40Alex Cooper?

  Really, girl? We're work in progress. Okay, yes, we've talked a little bit about the themes from. Your album and. They did give a little insight into your dating life, but I recognize that. You have never been in a public relationship. Why do you think for you keeping partners? Completely private is the right approach for you right now?

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  Um, I think a lot of it has to do to protect. The person. That I love. Um, I've noticed that it hurts more.

• 1:07:14Speaker 05

  If. Like. Any of my friends are attacked. Or the closer the person is, if they're ever attacked, it really, really is. Is like hurtful. Um. And also I am okay because I'm in the public eye and. It's my job and it comes with the territories and I'm like, okay, whatever. Uh, but you know, I think it's a bit unfair, but I, I not saying like I'm against it. But like for now. With the like fan base that I've experienced. Um, which I would love to in the future, maybe really fully trust. The media to protect me.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  And be there for me, then I might feel comfortable, but for now I don't know if I've felt um completely safe. Um, I'm sure a lot of other people understand what that feels like and. And experiences that.

• 1:08:10Alex Cooper?

  I think that's really. Understandable. I'm curious, had someone know. Feel like you're hiding them because I could see that if like then the partner's like, wait, are you just keeping me private because you don't want to share me with the world? Or have they been understanding?

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  Uh, I think it's been like a two way thing, like both ways. Um.

• 1:08:34Speaker 05

  I think one of the toxic ones.

• 1:08:37Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. That's like, I feel like how every conversation. So one of the toxic ones, actually, I'm like.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, cuz there are some toxic ones, not not toxic ones, there are some where like you feel where that's coming from, like the protecting. You know, element of it and and I believe it, but there was one, if I think about it, now I look back on it and like. Why were you so paranoid?

• 1:09:04Speaker 05

  Like, like what?

• 1:09:06Alex Cooper?

  You're like, wait, you're not the superstar over here.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  No, I can like say it like that now, but I'm like, I do kind of look back, be like. Wait.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  Cuz I was, I think I was younger then. Um, I was more younger and like more, I guess more insecure and I was just very like, I'm like in love and whatever, but then. Anytime he'd be like, oh, like even like to his friends, he would kind of, he'd be like, oh, I just. I'm just gonna go like hang out with my friends and like, it's just, I don't want to have you there cuz it's like, and he'd make it seem like he's trying to like limit. Like talk or whatever, but I'm like.

• 1:09:49Speaker 05

  Why did you need that?

• 1:09:52Alex Cooper?

  You're like, but again, that's what we're talking about, right? You're like, in hindsight, you're like. That doesn't make sense.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  At that time, I thought he was really serious about his job and I was like, that's hot.

• 1:10:03Alex Cooper?

  Rosie.

• 1:10:04Speaker 05

  I was like. Like you're so serious about it that, no, and then some people are, and I really respect it because, you know, for the things that you wanna do, we want to, we don't have to have. I just, I don't feel that way either. We don't have to have our like love life involved in it. And I respect that because I feel that a lot of the times too, but then with that guy, he was like overly like. No, we can't do like anything, like we can't go anywhere. Now I think about him like, sure, we could have done. I've met people after you who are bit way more like higher profile than you. That was just like, that would do crazier, like, you know, more things with me and I'd be like, you're not, and I remember the first time they would want to do things, I'd be like, you're okay with that?

• 1:10:50Speaker 05

  And I was so gaslighted, being like, you're okay with doing that? And they're like, why not? And I'd be like, oh.

• 1:10:55Alex Cooper?

  Oh, cuz I learned from this other ex that like, we couldn't do any of this.

• 1:10:59Speaker 05

  Anything.

• 1:11:00Alex Cooper?

  Dude, that's so real though, when you have exes to compare to where all of a sudden you're like, wait a second.

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, why are you okay with this?

• 1:11:07Alex Cooper?

  That wasn't normal.

• 1:11:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:09Alex Cooper?

  But in the moment, you convince yourself, here you are, Rosie, you're convincing yourself he cares about his job so much.

• 1:11:14Speaker 05

  I was like, oh my god, he cares about, he's such a, that's so hot. I was like, no.

• 1:11:21Alex Cooper?

  And now you're like, wait, I was fully getting gaslit and he was fully acting like, no, that is, but again, it's so real, it's so relatable. Like, you don't even have to be famous to be in this situation where a girl is like, dude, I'm in high school, I'm in college and this kid like, won't bring me to the party and I'm thinking it's because like, he's protecting me. Meanwhile, it's like, babe, he, he may have a side, he may have a side girl that he doesn't want you knowing, but whatever it is. And then you put two and two together and you're like,

• 1:11:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:48Alex Cooper?

  Okay, okay, I'm not gonna let that happen to me again.

• 1:11:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I still can't tell why he,

• 1:11:55Speaker 05

  I don't know, it's weird, okay.

• 1:11:57Alex Cooper?

  Like, I'm gonna write that in my journal tonight, try to do that math equation and figure that one out soon. Um, okay, how have you avoided getting your picture taken with a man and paparazzi and all of that?

• 1:12:11Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:12:11Alex Cooper?

  You're good, you, you're good.

• 1:12:14Speaker 05

  I've had some crazy ones.

• 1:12:20Speaker 05

  Once was so paranoid, wait, I, oh my god, I,

• 1:12:24Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 1:12:24Speaker 05

  I was so paranoid, I'm like, I can never be like, you know, seen, ever. And like, I ordered online from, like, it's basically like Amazon, but in Korea.

• 1:12:39Alex Cooper?

  Are you gonna tell me? You got a wig.

• 1:12:40Speaker 05

  I got a wig. I got a black curly wig, like a short one. And then I ordered like, I studied how like older people, like elderly women would dress on the street. Like, I'd be like, okay, they wear that kind of a skirt and those shoes and that kind of a bag. And I would like study it and I would order it.

• 1:13:04Alex Cooper?

  And then you would go on a date looking like an older woman?

• 1:13:07Speaker 05

  I would go like, like to his house, like, because we can't go anywhere, like, I would like travel that way, just in case somebody, I did that once and.

• 1:13:20Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so then would you show up to his house and like rip the wig off and the granny?

• 1:13:29Alex Cooper?

  I've arrived and he's like, can you take off your prosthetic nose and your wig? And your granny panties, like, can you get back to Rosie for a second? You fully are walking in like an eight year old woman.

• 1:13:41Speaker 05

  Like, and so like for a while in my house, you know, we got rid of it now, but like I had like a whole section of just grandma clothes. Cause I, I went wild. I just ordered like all cut, like light blue, like flowery skirt, but like all like long skirts so that I could cover all my elements.

• 1:14:00Alex Cooper?

  How long did this phase of dressing up like a granny last?

• 1:14:03Speaker 05

  I think at least six months.

• 1:14:04Alex Cooper?

  Rosie, you were committed.

• 1:14:07Speaker 05

  I was so committed to keep the secret.

• 1:14:09Alex Cooper?

  Did he ever dress up like a grandpa to go to your house?

• 1:14:12Speaker 05

  I think he kinda did. Yeah, like a little more grandpa-ish, but not as crazy as like a wig, cause I needed a wig. And then I think at one point, like I even imitated how she would, how they would walk.

• 1:14:24Alex Cooper?

  When we stop this, I need you to show me how you're.

• 1:14:27Speaker 05

  Oh, and the funniest thing, I don't even know if I should say this, this is so funny. I met my grandma the other and I was looking at what she was wearing and I'm like, and then I go to my mom, I'm like, mom, is that the, and she's like, oh my god, it is. And she's like, that's her favorite coat.

• 1:14:47Speaker 05

  She was wearing one of the ones that I would wear.

• 1:14:51Alex Cooper?

  Rosie.

• 1:14:51Speaker 05

  My mom's like, I go, I go, is that that? And she's like, it is. That's her favorite coat. And I was like, I'm dying.

• 1:14:58Alex Cooper?

  Once you're over your granny phase, your mom was like, okay, Rosie, can I at least now give this to your actual grandmother so she can put this to good use?

• 1:15:04Speaker 05

  After I broke up with that ex, I moved on to my, uh, moved on to it. I'm like, I had a new one. And then she said, you're not gonna wear this anymore, are you? And then I'm like, no.

• 1:15:14Alex Cooper?

  We're turning over a new leaf. I'm gonna actually show up to his house looking like my damn self. That is iconic.

• 1:15:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay, do you prefer to date someone in the industry or not in the industry?

• 1:15:29Speaker 05

  Um, in. Wait, how, why? I'm so, okay, in, only because.

• 1:15:37Alex Cooper?

  They get it.

• 1:15:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, there was like a phase where, cause from sixteen, I'm just like not even fully formed human being yet. Going to this dorm, like full time in that space. And everyone I meet is just related to that.

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  To whatever I'm doing, um, you know, I only met teachers, I only met other girls that were training with me. I only met like the producers there, like every day, from that to like coming out as like pink. When I would meet like, um, even like cousins, I would kind of feel like I don't know how to act. Um, and most, more than that, I think I, cause I don't know what the experience is. Cause everyone just usually goes to school, goes to college and whatnot, has like a sim, like somewhat of a similar,

• 1:16:40Speaker 05

  you know, experience growing up. But I would like meet people and be like, I don't know what you're thinking and, and their expressions and I was just really just.

• 1:16:49Alex Cooper?

  You didn't trust them.

• 1:16:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I was just like inexperienced, even like talk, meeting new people and talking about things. And I'd always feel like such an alien. They would talk about like all these things and I'd be like, I don't know how to relate to it. All I know is, you know, what I've done, yeah.

• 1:17:08Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:17:08Speaker 05

  Like, three years ago, I was like in a dorm and that's the only thing I know how to um share and and also like being private and stuff, like going out and like how I always feel really conscious, like I'd be out at a restaurant and I'd always be like, oh, I think somebody's taking a picture and then somebody being like, I don't think they're taking a picture. But then me feeling like sensitive about that, I didn't blame them, I would blame myself, be like, I am so paranoid that I don't wanna make people feel uncomfortable. So even with that, um I'd felt um kind of like a bit of a distance growing up. And so partners too, I think for me to feel fully just natural and like

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  so if anything, that guy being like, we can't be, I'd rather relate to that being like, rather than like, why aren't we going out? Like, why aren't we?

• 1:18:01Alex Cooper?

  Post me on your Instagram.

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, that would freak me out even more.

• 1:18:04Alex Cooper?

  So true.

• 1:18:04Speaker 05

  So I think I felt more, if anything, more safe in that one. I'd rather be more controlled that way because, you know, I relate to that feeling.

• 1:18:13Alex Cooper?

  So now we just need to find a non-toxic guy in the industry.

• 1:18:16Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:18:17Alex Cooper?

  That's the goal.

• 1:18:18Speaker 05

  So easy.

• 1:18:19Alex Cooper?

  So easy.

• 1:18:20Speaker 05

  Let's, let's go.

• 1:18:20Alex Cooper?

  There's so many of those. Perfect.

• 1:18:23Speaker 05

  I'm free like next week, so.

• 1:18:25Alex Cooper?

  Perfect. I'll let you know if I have anyone in mind. Um, are you seeing anyone right now?

• 1:18:30Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 1:18:31Alex Cooper?

  You almost just swung off the chair.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  Cause I just feel like if I'm like, no, like, oh, such a liar, you can tell. I am, I am looking for love.

• 1:18:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so maybe you're talking to someone.

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  Do you think it's really funny how I react to these questions?

• 1:18:48Alex Cooper?

  Rosie, you just physically clung onto the side of the chair, you moved your body away from the microphone, you looked at your best friend for dear life and you were like, tell me what to say. And I'm like, you know what? But I respect it because you can tell, like, you've come into this industry, you were trained to, you know, be a specific way. You've worked so hard, you've been private. And so I get it, like, to answer a question of like, are you seeing someone right now? You're like, wait, am I allowed to answer that?

• 1:19:18Speaker 05

  Like, oh, my god, this is like, the first thing, when you ask something like that, it's like. Like all the articles, all the comments, I just see it like roll down and who has like been plotting my downfall, being like, this is the comment we take to so if anything happens, this is the interview we go back to. To tie this crazy story about how addicted to, for example. Like, that's all I think about. So I would love to just be like, yes or no, like. But being like, is this going to define who I am? How sad. How sad of a reality is that? That makes me sad.

• 1:20:02Speaker 05

  It makes me sad for like, a lot of the industry and and how, oh my god, stop, this is gross. No. I'm only sad because

• 1:20:13Speaker 05

  it's like, uh, oh my gosh, no.

• 1:20:19Speaker 05

  I feel like it's just like a normal thing, um. Just because I was from a K-pop group doesn't mean I am a different type of human being. I think we're all born with legs and arms and, you know, everyone's human and um. I feel like just how certain things, like I have to, not because it's me, but a lot of other people too ha- have to like think about that and me being a girl and what that means to me, how will people try to use my comments to create something. And it's not like I'm saying the craziest thing right now.

• 1:20:56Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 1:20:57Speaker 05

  Am I saying like I killed someone? No.

• 1:20:59Alex Cooper?

  No, I'm just asking if you're seeing someone, not even if you have a boyfriend. Like, do you have someone that you're currently texting that you, whether you have a crush on or whatever it be? I guess my question back to you though, when you just got emotional there, which makes me sad for you too, is like at what point do you think that you can find a way to almost just? Live for yourself and be like, you know what? Yes, I'm seeing someone right now. And if the comments come, the comments come, but you also have to live your own life and you like, I think it it puts in perspective when I sit with my grandmother, right?

• 1:21:40Alex Cooper?

  Or my husband's great grandmother and she and you hear these older women especially say like, I lived so much to please people and to be humble, so I didn't come off as too much or whatever. And I just wish like, why did I do that? We are alive once, we're here once, like, yes, it's so incredible what your career is, but like, how is, how are you, are you fulfilled in hiding so much, right?

• 1:22:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:05Alex Cooper?

  Like, will there be a point where maybe you're like, you know what? Fuck it.

• 1:22:08Speaker 05

  Like, that's why I feel like writing that album made me feel closer to that. And, oh my God, like, a lot has actually changed. Um, after number one girl, I'm not joking, but there were so many people online who would tell me what to do with the way I put my makeup on, the way I was dressed on stage. They would like harass my hair and makeup team online. See, again, those people are people I love and that work with me and, you know, that's part of my team and those are my best friends too. Um, but I've felt like the ache where when, you know, people on online, they know, I feel like they know what they're doing.

• 1:22:52Speaker 05

  Like, they, they're really mean to them and that like affects me. Um, and they'd be like, do this to your hair, do that to your hair, why are you not doing this and that? I got closer to it because after number one girl came out, um, you know, that happened, uh, but after I explained the song, my team has not been getting comments like that anymore. And I remember it was such a big chunk of all of the girls relate to it because we would talk about the stress of that. Like, weird controlling of like, kind of like ma, like a mom, like one of those chili, what do you call it?

• 1:23:27Alex Cooper?

  Like a cheer mom?

• 1:23:29Speaker 05

  Cheer mom, what do you call them?

• 1:23:30Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like a, um, a stage mom?

• 1:23:31Speaker 05

  A stage mom.

• 1:23:32Alex Cooper?

  Who's like, do this and look like this.

• 1:23:33Speaker 05

  But you have like thousands online.

• 1:23:36Alex Cooper?

  Millions.

• 1:23:36Speaker 05

  Millions.

• 1:23:37Alex Cooper?

  Millions.

• 1:23:38Speaker 05

  Girl, I love what you do, but please change your da-da-da-da. And you're like.

• 1:23:42Alex Cooper?

  Wait, I like that little accent you just did. You went full valley girl on me. You're like, girl, you better get your shit together.

• 1:23:48Speaker 05

  Girl, I love you, but come on. Those are not the shoes you want. Like, that's that. And, and they would like, do that, but my team hasn't been getting any of those comments and I haven't had any pop-up. And so after the, after the album, one thing I love is that I don't, I'm not con- I, I'm not conscious about if my fans will like or dislike my look today. And for such a long time of my Korean black pink, I was so like, you know, insecure and conscious about what my fans would say. They'd always be like, put a full red lip on. Why can't you do your makeup? And I'm like,

• 1:24:30Speaker 05

  maybe I don't feel comfortable. And that, maybe that's not fully me. Maybe that's somebody else. Maybe some ama- like big celebrity online does that and is, looks amazing and feels amazing that way. But maybe when I do it, I don't feel amazing. So it's just like.

• 1:24:49Alex Cooper?

  You're living a really heightened experience as a human being right now. You are figuring this out. There is no book that anyone handed you to be like, this is exactly how you get through this, Rosie. When I go back to your comment about freedom is being anonymous, what you're really just saying is freedom is people not being able to dictate if you feel comfortable to acknowledge that you're in a relationship or not, or if you are having a bad day or not. But I love though, that one thing that you learned through this album is that actually being vulnerable and honest gave insight to people and allowed them to be like, oh, I'm not going to make that comment again. And maybe that next step for you could be.

• 1:25:34Alex Cooper?

  Allowing yourself to enjoy your romantic life and not being afraid that maybe people will come for you and that person and that who knows when that you'll be ready for that.

• 1:25:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:45Alex Cooper?

  But maybe one day you'll be ready.

• 1:25:47Speaker 05

  I don't think I'm fully that we're fully there yet because I can tell we come back to the, you know, toxic ways. The media always finds its way back, but it gives me hope. It gives me hope. I really thought that me coming out of this, you know, um, industry, um, where I've come from, I didn't think I'd have hope. I thought, okay, I'm forever going to live in this system where I can't fully accept the way I am because they will twist and turn it. But I see a bit of hope and I'm really, really happy about that.

• 1:26:22Alex Cooper?

  I'm really happy for you.

• 1:26:23Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:26:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Should we go get a drink?

• 1:26:27Speaker 05

  Please.

• 1:26:28Alex Cooper?

  Let's go.

• 1:26:28Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 1:26:30Alex Cooper?

  Cheers again. We're back. First of all, we need to talk about your song, Appetite.

• 1:26:37Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:26:37Alex Cooper?

  Did I say that right?

• 1:26:38Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:26:38Alex Cooper?

  Appetite. What was the moment you personally knew that this song was going to be a phenomenon?

• 1:26:46Speaker 05

  Um, I think I kind of,

• 1:26:51Speaker 05

  it kind of slowly, like I slowly warmed up to it because when we first created it, I went home and I listened to it like all night till like, like I had it on repeat.

• 1:27:03Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:27:04Speaker 05

  And it's quite a crazy song to have on repeat.

• 1:27:06Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:27:07Speaker 05

  I slept to, you know.

• 1:27:08Alex Cooper?

  You slept to it?

• 1:27:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:09Alex Cooper?

  It just kept playing?

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:11Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, you're a psychopath.

• 1:27:12Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:27:13Alex Cooper?

  Again, again.

• 1:27:14Speaker 05

  Right? And then in the morning, I had my producers and songwriters delete it off of their phones.

• 1:27:21Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I read this somewhere. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:22Speaker 05

  And I don't, I still to this day don't quite know what it was that made me do that. I don't know if it was like. Fear of something or like, did I feel like it was big? Or did I feel a bit like scared of it? I'm not sure. But I feel like, I'm just guessing, but I feel like it might have had something to do with the fact that it's so close to my culture. And I felt like it sounded big, but I wanted it to be like right before people just had it on their phones and.

• 1:27:56Alex Cooper?

  So nothing got misinterpreted? Or if you needed to fine tune anything, you had the ability and it didn't just get sent out?

• 1:28:02Speaker 05

  Yes, because it had a big part of my culture in it. But I'm not sure if I fully believed in it yet because it was like, as it is, it's kind of like when everyone listens to it, especially from the beginning. It's like a Korean chant and you're like, what's happening? And then like the song starts and then the chorus, like we're just saying some random words. And so I wasn't sure, so I got rid of it. And then slowly I started bringing it out and playing it to people that I trusted and that I loved. And they would, they really reacted to it. It's so funny because there are so many songs that has become like, like the main songs, you know?

• 1:28:43Speaker 05

  But every time I feel like it's something like that, I seem to hide it. And then I like, I would play like 10 songs. And then at the end I'd be like, oh, this is just rough. This is like, you know, we were just like messing around. You might not like it. And I'd play it and that's usually like the songs that like people seem to love, which is weird.

• 1:29:04Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but do you think it's because in your heart you know it's so good? And then you're almost downplaying it to see if like, do I think it's just this good?

• 1:29:13Speaker 05

  Okay, maybe.

• 1:29:14Alex Cooper?

  And you're like testing to see like, oh, this is just a little thing. And you're like, am I the only one that thinks this? And then you see the reaction, you're like, I was right. Oh, my God, I have something on my hands here.

• 1:29:22Speaker 05

  I need to be convinced by people instead of me hyping it up first. I think I get scared of how I feel about it. So I don't want to hype it up. I just want to see people's like raw. Maybe you're right, you're literally my therapist.

• 1:29:34Alex Cooper?

  We're trying, we've been trying today. Wait, and can you clarify for anyone who maybe is not familiar with the Korean culture and appetite? Like, what is this chant? And what does it mean? And what is the significance?

• 1:29:47Speaker 05

  So it's just like, so when I turned 20, it's like a cultural thing where your friends who are already 20 or over 20 would like get you in a room and be like, "Today's the day you like, you die from a hangover." And they will literally make you the craziest drink. Because, you know, it's just waited your whole life. I even remember the day I turned 20, Blackpink got me and Lisa and I turned 20 the same year. As soon as the year turns, you know, like January 1st, you're allowed to drink. So everybody like gets together and we did that too. Us four were in the dorm and they were like, "Get ready, girls."

• 1:30:32Speaker 05

  It was a wild night. And then like that's when we like played the drinking games. And it literally has been a part of my like twenties, living in Korea.

• 1:30:42Alex Cooper?

  Who else is on your list of dream people you could collaborate with? Anyone?

• 1:30:48Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:30:50Alex Cooper?

  Give me like three.

• 1:30:52Speaker 05

  That's way too hard.

• 1:30:53Alex Cooper?

  Okay, two.

• 1:30:54Speaker 05

  You know what, I see Miley on the screen. I would die to have a collaboration with her. She is literally a legend. I love her so much.

• 1:31:02Alex Cooper?

  You said that you met Taylor Swift. And when you met her, you wanted to ask her some questions. What advice did she give you?

• 1:31:09Speaker 05

  I was like, so that was when I was like trying to look for a label and everything. And but before that, I was learning about, you know, how to protect myself. What does everything mean? What is it that I need? What is, yeah, even catered to myself. What is it that I want? And therefore, what do I need? I was navigating all that and, you know, I was really great. I'm grateful enough to have like met her along the way at a party that I was invited to. And she was so nice, like, you know, as she is. And we were chatting and I explained... Why I was, you know, out in the US and um then I was like, oh, I was kind of struggling with this.

• 1:31:51Speaker 05

  And she's like, ask me anything. And she like, you know, pulled me aside. She was like, ask me anything. She was like, you know, whenever you need anything, like, ask me. And she was really, really, really helpful.

• 1:32:01Alex Cooper?

  When did you find out that you were Grammy nominated and what was your reaction?

• 1:32:05Speaker 05

  Um, I remember I was in Korea. I had just gotten home. Um, and then like I brushed my teeth, was in my like PJs, like fully. And then I look at the time. And then I remember somebody from my team being like, oh, the nominations are coming out at 1am your time. And I did, I don't think, because I've never really experienced this before. Now I know, like, to mark it in my calendar. It was kind of, I'm like, oh, okay. So I go back into like the text. And there was a link. And so like, it was uh 12:50am, 10 minutes away. And I was like, oh. And then I just like turned the TV on and put in the link. And then I was like, and then it started. And I'm like, okay.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  And then I get a FaceTime from like, like my team and my sister. And so. And then I'm like, okay. And then like a category comes out. And I'm like, should we just group call? And we did like a group FaceTime. And then it just happened in like five minutes. And it was just like, oh, my gosh, wait. I almost missed that. But that, did that just happen? And then it was done within like, it was done so quick. And I'm like, okay. I was gonna go to sleep, so I slept. I went to my bed, I slept. And then I woke up to like, you know, tons of messages from people that, you know, were so excited. And that's when it hit me. I was like, oh, wait. This is crazy.

• 1:33:27Alex Cooper?

  So exciting. I'm so excited for you. I think that we sing karaoke

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:33:34Alex Cooper?

  to close out this incredible day. And then after we sing karaoke, I think we go to Tokyo.

• 1:33:41Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:33:42Alex Cooper?

  And I watch you do the real thing on stage.

• 1:33:44Speaker 05

  What a crazy life.

• 1:33:45Alex Cooper?

  What a crazy life.

• 1:33:46Speaker 05

  Let's go to Japan.

• 1:33:47Alex Cooper?

  Let's just go to Japan.

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• 1:34:49Alex Cooper?

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• 1:35:06Alex Cooper?

  Cheers, we're back. We're in Tokyo, we made it.

• 1:35:09Speaker 05

  Yay.

• 1:35:09Alex Cooper?

  Cheers.

• 1:35:10Speaker 05

  Cheers.

• 1:35:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I have a gift for you. Bring them in.

• 1:35:14Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:35:15Alex Cooper?

  Bring them in.

• 1:35:16Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:35:16Alex Cooper?

  These are so extra.

• 1:35:17Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh, so extra. Oh my God, thank you so much.

• 1:35:21Alex Cooper?

  You don't need to keep them the whole time, but I got these for you because I was like...

• 1:35:24Speaker 05

  Oh my God, they smell so good.

• 1:35:24Alex Cooper?

  You just put on a three-hour performance and I just sat there screaming and cheering. I was like, I need to bring you something.

• 1:35:31Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:35:32Alex Cooper?

  You were amazing tonight.

• 1:35:33Speaker 05

  You're so sweet, thank you.

• 1:35:34Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I'm gonna put these in your room.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:35:35Alex Cooper?

  Someone put these in her room.

• 1:35:36Speaker 05

  Okay, may I have this? Like, I'll just keep it here.

• 1:35:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you'll put it there.

• 1:35:40Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:35:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay, of course, of course.

• 1:35:42Speaker 05

  Did you have fun?

• 1:35:43Alex Cooper?

  I had so much fun. I showed up as a fan. I was with... All the people I was looking around, I was, I was like nervous for you. Because now I'm like so invested in your journey. I'm like, oh my God, I hope she does perfect. I like. And then you got out there and I was like, oh, she's a full professional.

• 1:35:59Speaker 05

  Did you feel like a, like a stage mom at all?

• 1:36:01Alex Cooper?

  Me, being like Rosie, hit your cue. And also you being like, your dance moves, I'm watching you. I'm like, she hit it. Yes, boom, boom.

• 1:36:07Speaker 05

  That's so funny.

• 1:36:08Alex Cooper?

  It was so fun seeing you up there. How did you feel?

• 1:36:11Speaker 05

  I felt really good. It's been like two months since we, like, we've been on a break.

• 1:36:16Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:36:16Speaker 05

  So completely forgot, forgot that like version of me, like completely. So yesterday was the first show, but today was a bit better.

• 1:36:25Alex Cooper?

  It was wild to watch Blackpink and then it's so cool that you each have your solo moments. And when you went out for your solo moment, I was having another stage mom moment where I was like, oh my God, like toxic till the end.

• 1:36:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:38Alex Cooper?

  I was like literally getting emo. I like almost started crying. I'm like, why am I getting emotional right now? Blackpink just announced a new album.

• 1:36:45Speaker 05

  Oh, yes.

• 1:36:46Alex Cooper?

  Casual. What, what can you tell us about it?

• 1:36:50Speaker 05

  Well, so it's an album that we've all kind of obviously come back from after that, like year of exploring and all being our individual selves. Um, and so I think it was like really interesting to kind of come back and and see what was created after that. And so I really like all the songs there and I love them. Um, including Jump and which was, is already released and we have like a fun collaboration. That's coming up.

• 1:37:19Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:37:19Speaker 05

  I feel like it, it's like, so I played it for like a bunch of my team and my friends and they all were like, like it feels like Jump, but it's like so different. It just, and they just say it's, it sounds so different from anything else we've done. And I feel the same. And I feel like, like a lot of the collaboration is the reason like why that probably sounds that way. And I feel like um, it's, it's very new and visually too. I don't think we've actually used as that much like CGI before.

• 1:37:51Alex Cooper?

  I'm so excited.

• 1:37:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like a big like funky mixture of like all these things, but for some reason like it works and I'm really excited for the fans to see that. And yeah.

• 1:38:03Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God. I'm so excited now. I feel like I've been on this journey with you and again, to see Blackpink and then you have your solo moment. Do you think you would ever tour? Solo.

• 1:38:14Speaker 05

  Oh, that's been a big subject amongst, obviously, like my fans. Like, they are, I mean, definitely dying for me to be on tour, and I am too. But I've always just thought, like, I want to be able to create a, like, a real, like, solid world to present to everyone. I didn't want to feel rushed because that first solo album, like I mentioned to you, like, the whole thing was just like a learning curve. And I needed that time to really learn about the album. And so I feel like to create, like, a whole world on stage, I need more time to build on that. With extra songs as well, because right now I only have, like, what, 12?

• 1:38:55Speaker 05

  And I feel like I don't feel ready to, like, create a whole, you know, body of work for everyone yet. But I feel like it's slowly gonna kind of come closer once I feel like my second album or like more music comes out. But yeah, I just want everyone to be patient and just wanted to, because I feel like once I do start, I feel like I'd love it so much that I would want to do it for so long. So I don't want to ruin that experience.

• 1:39:24Alex Cooper?

  Do you love being on stage?

• 1:39:26Speaker 05

  I think I do. But I also don't love being on stage when I feel like I'm not fully, like, it's not fully me.

• 1:39:35Alex Cooper?

  I see.

• 1:39:35Speaker 05

  So I understand that when it is fully me, I love it. Like, I want to repeat it. Even like yesterday, when I got, when we came back from the break, I was like, I love this. Like, I can't believe this is coming to an end. It's so much fun. And I feel like for Blackpink, this is like the most defined, like, show we've put together. So that excites me. And so like, even for my solo thing, like, I can't wait for the day that, like, I kind of create this world that I'm obsessed with also, that I just, like, want to be on stage all the time, because that's euphoric for everyone.

• 1:40:12Alex Cooper?

  When you look at your future, a decade from now, two decades from now, what do you want for yourself in the future? What are your dreams?

• 1:40:21Speaker 05

  That's a big question.

• 1:40:28Speaker 05

  I've now noticed that like, I feel like when I was younger, like, it seemed really simple. Just like one dream. And then once I'm there, everything will be like, I'll be like so happy. I'll feel like I'm on top of the world, all of that. But I've noticed that there's just so much that goes to get to anywhere. And I've also noticed that like, what I love changes, like my interests change and what makes me happy is always kind of ever evolving. And so I feel like it'll be hard to be like, I'd like it to be like this. But now, after everything that we've all lived through, I feel like,

• 1:41:12Speaker 05

  I hope at the end of like 10, you know, in 10 years or 20 years' time, I'm just at the place I want to be and I've found what makes me happy in that moment and that I'm peaceful, whatever that means. Whatever that means, like I'd like to be, I would love to live like Beyonce, or I'd like to like, you know, become an expert at embroidery, or I don't know, whatever it is. Or I'd like to work at a hotel and like, whatever it is, I hope I'm like at a place that makes me feel inspired, creative and just peaceful.

• 1:41:47Alex Cooper?

  It's amazing.

• 1:41:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:41:49Alex Cooper?

  To wrap us up, this incredible trip. I know, I know, I'm like sad to say that, but we'll keep drinking after this. I think throughout this entire trip, I've felt so lucky to get to know you. I feel so inspired by you as a woman and an entertainer and as a person. But I'm curious, I know you don't do a lot of interviews. So, one, how are you feeling about this whole experience with me and this conversation? Because you've opened up a lot. Like, how are you feeling as I'm gonna leave soon?

• 1:42:24Speaker 05

  I'm first of all, very sad. I'm almost like, is there a season two of this? Of our K-drama that we've created?

• 1:42:31Alex Cooper?

  Part two at some point.

• 1:42:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I love that. Um, but I feel like, um, so after like the interviews we did in Korea, there were like these moments where I even went to my team and I was like, do you think everything I said was, I had like in the moment, I felt so comfortable and I feel like you helped me really like open up and feel like human and like safe enough to share um my thoughts. But even still, I noticed like once I went home, I was already, I was already asking my team like, do you think anything like I said will kind of turn back on me again? Do you think any of like the people online will use these like information as bait to like,

• 1:43:16Speaker 05

  you know, twist stories or whatnot? And I was already back in fear. And that's when I noticed like I remembered the conversations we had. And and also my team listening to these conversations were like, no, remember like the conversations that you had with her? I think it should be okay. And it's um, it's a good thing what you're doing. And so like this whole experience I've had with you is like another learning experience and and yes, we'll go off and this will be online and we'll see what people say about it. But I, I, I think it's just a, it's like, you know, even still, I feel like I haven't opened up much and I'm hoping that the next time we meet, I'll be even more comfortable. I'll feel even more safe out in the open. And yeah, so I feel like it's just like

• 1:43:59Speaker 05

  a lot of emotions have been coming through doing this with you and it was so much fun and

• 1:44:04Alex Cooper?

  It was an honor.

• 1:44:05Speaker 05

  You're giving me so much confidence.

• 1:44:07Alex Cooper?

  You have given me confidence. Again, I feel like we have so much in common and maybe we came together being like, I wonder if what, what will we bond over and what will, and I feel like I'm leaving being like, wow, I feel like I have so much to think about. Also, even just moving forward for me as an interviewer, you've really been so, it's been an enlightening couple of days. So I appreciate your time because I know how busy you are. I know you just got offstage after a three hour show. You've been at that stadium all day. Like, thank you for your time and

• 1:44:37Speaker 05

  This is a treat to speak with you.

• 1:44:39Alex Cooper?

  Thank you. And I hope everyone watching this, you shouldn't have anxiety because you have said nothing other than your own feelings. And your thoughts about your own life. And so, anyone watching, maybe just keep in mind that this is Rosie's life. And so, to comment negatively, or whatever it be, like, maybe think before you write anything negative, because I think you've really opened up in a beautiful way. And the way to continue to get more of you and you to share is for people to be receptive of your vulnerability. So, thank you.

• 1:45:10Speaker 05

  I hope the next time, we can just have fun talking about funny things.

• 1:45:13Alex Cooper?

  Girl.

• 1:45:14Speaker 05

  You know, the fact that we have to like, go back down to like, it sounds very depressing, like...

• 1:45:19Alex Cooper?

  We were like crying.

• 1:45:20Speaker 05

  Right?

• 1:45:20Alex Cooper?

  Part two is us...

• 1:45:22Speaker 05

  Just having fun, saying whatever the fuck we want.

• 1:45:24Alex Cooper?

  I'm actually still not over me being like, "So, Rosie, are you seeing anyone?" And you went like this. You flung off your chair. Your best friends in the room being like, "Rosie, get back in the chair."

• 1:45:35Speaker 05

  I know, she was like, "Get back."

• 1:45:36Alex Cooper?

  But you know what? I think that's what's so fun is, I've only interviewed a couple people in my career multiple times, and I know you're going to be one of them.

• 1:45:47Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 1:45:47Alex Cooper?

  I really do, because I feel like, I feel such, I feel like we're right, if anything, at the beginning of this chapter for you. Like, this isn't the middle or the end. Like, I really feel like this is such a beginning of you, and what we're gonna continue to learn about you, and you're gonna grow. And so, I'm just honored that I got to meet you. And I will be here whenever that next album comes out, girl. And we will sit down, and we will talk about the tea.

• 1:46:11Speaker 05

  We will dissect.

• 1:46:11Alex Cooper?

  We will dissect.

• 1:46:12Speaker 05

  Every, oh my god, wait, I already have like, what, five songs that like, my friends, when they listen, they go like, "Rosie." And I'm like, "About it later."

• 1:46:20Alex Cooper?

  Stop, stop. You can't tease me that. Okay, you'll tell me off camera.

• 1:46:24Speaker 05

  It'd be perfect for Call Her Daddy.

• 1:46:26Alex Cooper?

  Next episode, part two. Rosie?

• 1:46:29Speaker 05

  I'm so excited.

• 1:46:30Alex Cooper?

  Cheers.

• 1:46:31Speaker 05

  Cheers to that.

• 1:46:31Alex Cooper?

  Thank you for coming on Call Her Daddy.

• 1:46:33Speaker 05

  Yay.

• 1:46:33Alex Cooper?

  It was an honor.

• 1:46:34Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:46:49Alex Cooper?

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