Bonus Episode: We Are Starting Our Own Rock ‘n’’ Roll Hall of Fame

The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame 2026 inductees were announced, and guess what? You’re pissed! So we are starting our own Hall of Fame. Plus, we are hearing from you through your voicemails, texts, and emails about Tom Waits, Patti Smith, and, of course, this week’s subject, Grace Jones. Welcome to the After Party, Disgos! For more great music and true crime stories, check out our archive, including episodes on: George Michael https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/george-michael-lewd-acts-guilt-and-freedom/id1275172907?i=1000699539850&l=zh-Hans-CN Madonna https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/madonna-music-as-sex-and-sex-as-power-in-the-reign/id1275172907?i=1000710481133 Jeff Buckley https://podcasts.apple.com/ch/podcast/jeff-buckley-dreaming-of-music-drowning-and-eternal-life/id1275172907?i=1000615829777 See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 2:06Jake Brennan?

  Hey, discos. Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me, too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgrace Land: The Afterparty.

• 2:32Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode, all the things that annoy you about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So, we're starting our own Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and we're getting into your answers to the question of the week from last week that spun out of our Grace Jones episode, and previewing our next new episode on Depeche Mode. Your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried.

• 3:17Jake Brennan?

  Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. Alright, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:36Jake Brennan?

  Greetings, Disgrace Land listeners. Happy to be talking to you today because it was announced this week that Oasis, along with Wu-Tang Clan, are being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2026. And I mentioned both of these groups, both of these nominees upfront, because I feel like of all the inductees, these two artists might have the most appeal to Disgrace Land listeners. Actually, Joy Division/New Order was also inducted. I probably should have mentioned them upfront as well. Phil Collins, Billy Idol, Sade, Iron Maiden, and Luther Vandross are also going into the Rock and Roll Hall

• 4:17Jake Brennan?

  of Fame this year. The list of artists nominated who were not inducted, who aren't being inducted, the snubs, if you will, is the following: Black Crows, Jeff Buckley, Pink, Shakira, Lauryn Hill, Mariah Carey, and Melissa Etheridge. This process, the nomination process, the inductee process, for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a head-scratcher every year. It feels like someone's always upset and I'm usually one of these people who's always upset. This constant source of frustration around Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees is,

• 4:55Jake Brennan?

  is for me, not so much who gets in and who gets snubbed. It's more about what is and what isn't rock and roll. Now, some people, and no offense, but mainly really old people, people who came of age listening to rock and roll, sort of before punk rock and before hip hop. A lot of these folks, not all of them, but a lot of them often argue against inductees being nominated, whose styles don't align to the more traditional guitar-based rock and roll of the seventies, the sixties, the fifties, your Led Zeppelins, Eagles, that sort of thing, you know, more, more traditional guitar-based rock and traditional R&B and soul, like your Otis

• 5:36Jake Brennan?

  Reddings, Aretha Franklin's, et cetera. So, most of these folks don't think that hip hop or punk artists or heavy metal artists like Iron Maiden, that any of these folks should be in the Hall of Fame. Never mind pop artists who have been inducted like Madonna or George Michael. But I don't necessarily agree with that at all. My definition of who should and shouldn't be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, doesn't have so much to do with genre or style. I don't think that should matter. Rock, hip hop, pop, R&B, quote unquote, rock and roll. Rock and roll, it's not, it's not just two guitars and like a long-haired frontman

• 6:20Jake Brennan?

  up there singing on stage, making records. It's, to me, rock and roll is more just about popular music that young hip counterculture kids listen to. Rock and roll, from its earliest days, it's an outdated term now, sure, but from its earliest days, it was all about counterculture. And the best of it, no matter how popular it was, it always adhered to this definition, this sort of-

• 6:47Jake Brennan?

  Combative anti-authority type of thing. And if you were a combative anti-authority type of kid, that's what you gravitated toward. So if you were listening to Wu-Tang Clan when they first hit, or Nirvana, or Madonna earlier, or the Fugees, yes, these artists were massively popular, but they were also a little bit dangerous, a little bit subversive and young, like I said, young hip kids, no matter how suburban or normie they may have been, or should I say we, we may have been, we were listening to cool bands, both mainstream and alternative. Okay? Nirvana, super mainstream, also alternative. Madonna, too, super mainstream, also super subversive.

• 7:30Jake Brennan?

  Both those bands, Nirvana and Madonna, despite guitars or pop music, whatever it is, they were listened to broadly across the counterculture in the same way that, I don't know, Elvis Presley and Aretha Franklin were decades prior. It's the same thing to me. Now, I love Phil Collins and Sade, two artists who are going in this year, but rock and roll? Come on. They're not rock and roll. When I was a kid, listening to, again, Nirvana, Madonna, Wu-Tang, Phil Collins and Sade, that was music that my parents listened to, not me. Okay? You get it? This is my definition. I know you guys get it. You're smart.

• 8:16Jake Brennan?

  But that's just me. I want to know what you guys actually think specifically. Okay? I want you, I want to know, who do you think should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? That is not 617-906-6638. Call me, leave me a voicemail, or send me a text, email me at disgracelandpod, hit me on the socials, at disgracelandpod on Instagram. And what I want to do, listen, let's start our own Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, our own alternative indie millennial Gen X with awesome classic boomer taste in music, our own utopian Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Okay? Let's just use the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame criteria, just this one, of having to have released your, your first music 25 years ago to be nominated. Okay? That's, that's their benchmark, and I like that benchmark.

• 9:01Jake Brennan?

  25 years since your first release. And let's induct music that we listened to when we were skipping school. We were drinking up by the railroad tracks and we were cruising around in our Volkswagen Jetta's or in our cool friend's uncle's muscle car or, or, you know, whatever. This should be the criteria by which we are judging our Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees. Okay. As well as music that we bought on little plastic compact discs and cassettes at Tower Records that we read about in Spin that we maybe read about for first before we read it in Spin, we read about them in Maximum Rock and Roll that we, we watched on Beavis and Butthead. We watched Beavis and Butthead make fun of these artists. We watched them on 120 Minutes, Headbangers Ball, heard them on Beverly Hills 90210 or later on Dawson's Creek, whatever it is, you know, the type of music I'm talking about.

• 9:47Jake Brennan?

  Okay. Let's, let's induct the awesome musicians who aren't yet in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and create our own little Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'll go first. My first nominee, okay, right here, Fugazi. Their influence is undeniable and they, they'd probably insist on tickets for the ceremony being no more than five bucks and make it an all ages event as conditions for their appearance. So this one would be subversive and just like I said, completely influential. They deserve to be in there. Now, next thing I want to do, I want to right this year's wrong right off the bat, and I want to put Jeff Buckley and Lauryn Hill, who were both snubbed this year. I want to put them in, in our Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Again, both massively influential artists. If Coldplay, I swear to God, if Coldplay gets in before Jeff Buckley and if Shakira gets in before

• 10:32Jake Brennan?

  Lauryn Hill, we are in trouble, people. But that's just my own smart ass Gen X bias. So Joy Division slash New Order, despite how much I can't stand the hybrid nature of the nomination, I get it. I understand it and I, and I love both. I mean, it's really the same group, just different singer. I love Joy Division slash New Order. So score one for the eighties. Deserved. They should be in, okay. Can we score one for the nineties now though and put Jane's Addiction in? Three all time classic no skip albums from Jane's Addiction. Plus, the band's frontman started a music festival that defined pop culture in the early 1990s. And in a lot of ways is still defining pop culture.

• 11:17Jake Brennan?

  You know why Jane's Addiction is not in? This is my theory. The Hall does not want to have to deal with Perry Farrell. Perry Farrell is a lot, okay? He's a handful. And I think they just feel like he's gonna show up with like the Jim Rose Circus in tow and like three methed out EDM DJs trailing behind him when he goes up to accept this award. That's, that's what I think's going on here. There's no excuse for why Jane's Addiction is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame compared to the other artists that are in. Even Oasis, who I love, and I'm happy they're in there, but still, Jane's Addiction way, just way more influential on pop culture. All right. In 2022, Alanis Morissette declined an invitation to perform at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

• 12:00Jake Brennan?

  induction ceremony, claiming that she didn't want to be part of an event that reduced women. And this is the exact reason Alanis Morissette needs to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. What's the first rule of rock stardom? What's the first rule of being a rock star? The first rule of being a rock star is to be a rock star, okay? I think, I just made that up. But you know what I'm saying? We should be celebrating the anti-heroes in rock and roll. We should be celebrating the truly subversive as opposed to the bootlickers who are campaigning for votes behind the scenes. Next, Bikini Kill. Because if you're gonna nominate Melissa Etheridge and recognize the whole Lilith Fair

• 12:41Jake Brennan?

  influence on 90s pop culture, then you have to recognize the Riot Girl influence on that same decade. And Bikini Kill is the sonic boom of that moment. New York Dolls, New York Dolls, New York Dolls. I should have led with New York Dolls. New York Dolls might be, of all the artists I've mentioned yet, they might be the most influential who is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You don't get punk rock, guys, without the New York Dolls. And without punk rock, you don't get grunge, and you don't get whatever the hell it is we're listening to nowadays, okay? New York Dolls need to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, full stop. Also, I'm from Boston, so forgive me. J. Giles Band, what are we doing? No love for Boston. Why? Why?

• 13:24Jake Brennan?

  I'm biased, I know I am, but just listen. You know how you got artists from your hometown and you know they're big, but you, you're so clouded by the context of being so close to them your whole life that you can't tell how big they are? That's what the J. Giles Band is for me. On the one hand, they seem huge. I mean, Peter Wolf was married to Faye Dunaway. Okay. And at the time when Faye Dunaway was like, you know, at the absolute, you know, pinnacle of the zeitgeist. So I don't know. I mean, but I still see like, you know, if you're from Boston, you know, you run into Peter Wolf all the time. Anyhow, I just think

• 14:07Jake Brennan?

  J. Giles Band, like just, okay, just try this for a test. Put, put the J. Giles Band on. Next time you and your friends are hanging out, partying, drinking, you know, beer, shitty beer out of red solo cups and playing quarters or whatever, put J. Giles on, put Centerfold on, or Freeze Frame, or Must've Got Lost, and try not having a good time. You cannot. It's impossible. These, these songs were stone cold hits. And these hits, like number one hits, by the way, came after the band already had a decade of blowing faces out, touring across America with The Stones, Thin Lizzy, Stevie Wonder, and others. Just put J. Giles in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Make Peter Wolf happy. Okay, let's make the rock and roll gods happy here and induct The Replacements

• 14:50Jake Brennan?

  and Big Star on the same ballot. R E M. went into the Hall in 2007. They wouldn't have even have been a band without The Replacements or Big Star. And while we're at it, Eric B. and Rakim and Ice-T, both need to be in. It's, this is like a New York Dolls thing. These guys, they need to be in like last week. It's hard. I can't imagine 90s hip hop without either of these hip hop artists. And, and any hip hop that came after these, these, after Eric B. and Rakim and after Ice-T would not be the same. Okay. Their influence is massive. Different types of influence completely. I can make an argument for Tribe, Tribe Called Quest as well. Those, those three records were everywhere.

• 15:32Jake Brennan?

  They were everywhere. Everywhere you went in the 90s, you would hear Tribe Called Quest. Everyone listened to them, not just hip hop kids. The band truly crossed over. And if we're gonna have the Beastie Boys in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and we absolutely should, we should have a Tribe Called Quest as well, as well as Ice-T and Eric B. and Rakim. So what do you think of our little Gen X, millennial, great taste in boomer music, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that we got going here? I think it's shaping up pretty well.

• 15:57Jake Brennan?

  But then again, I don't really care because I'm a disaffected latchkey kid who's just, you know, riddled with apathy and indifference and, oh, well, whatever. Never mind. No, I do care. I'm kidding. And I want to know what you guys think. Seriously, I think that 90s music right now, there's already been a resurgence, but I think that resurgence is going to get even greater. I think the influence of 90s on popular culture, it's, it's really, I think this is the beginning of its peak, but we got a ways to go. And I think we're going to start to see more music that I listened to as, as a kid in junior high and in high school and in college. I think we're going to start to see more of that influence on modern day pop culture. And I think a lot

• 16:41Jake Brennan?

  more of these artists are going to go into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in fairly short order, hopefully. But again, I want to know what you guys think. 617-906-6638. Leave me a voicemail, send me a text and you might hear yourself and your answer on next week's after-party bonus episode. And you can also hit me up in the chat on Patreon and get into this conversation with your fellow Discos. But to do so, you got to be a DisgraceLand All-Access member. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up and I will be eternally grateful. Now, if you become an All-Access member, not only do you get access to the ongoing music and movies conversation with myself and your fellow Discos, the one that we're having over in the chat, you also get ad-free listening

• 17:22Jake Brennan?

  on all DisgraceLand and Hollywoodland content, plus extra exclusive content every week and month, like the bonus section of this here bonus episode today, where Seth and I are going to be discussing in more detail this year's Hall of Fame inductees. We made some picks a couple of weeks back. We're going to grade ourselves. We're going to see how we did. Okay. Not going to give anything away here, but you're going to want to check that out. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up, become a DisgraceLand All-Access member today. Now, Discos, Grace Jones is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but she is the newest subject of DisgraceLand because she was not just a multi-hyphenate icon of the 1980s, she was also a walking true crime. Her story is scary.

• 18:09Jake Brennan?

  It's harrowing. It's surprising. I didn't, I didn't know a lot of this going into this story. It's also inspiring and you can hear it now if you haven't already, as it is the latest episode in your feed right before this here bonus app that we're doing right now, that you're listening to, that I'm creating, that you're hearing right now. Coming up next, though, in your feed, next, our rewind episode on the Beastie Boys. And if you want to hear how the Beasties inspired an actual crime wave and overcame becoming the dick joke that they were trying to make, well, you need to listen to this classic episode of Disgrace Land, and that's going to hit your feed this coming Sunday. Next week, our next new episode, that's on Depeche Mode. It's gonna be coming your way on Tuesday, Debauchery, Excess, Near Death

• 18:53Jake Brennan?

  Experiences, and some of the sexiest music ever. That all hits next week. Guys, I'm gonna have myself a little Depeche Mode weekend, actually, in preparation. I'm gonna listen Violator on CD. Yes, on CD, because it sounds incredible. It's one of the best sounding albums of all time, Depeche Mode's Violator. It's just incredible. And what else? There's, there's a recent Depeche Mode live, like, concert film. I think it's called M Mode, Depeche Mode M? Is it called M? I'm looking here and I can't quite tell, but I've seen it. It's easy to get, and it's great. And these guys are super old. They've lost nothing, nothing. And there's also

• 19:38Jake Brennan?

  the Depeche Mode 101, which I think that's the more classic Depeche Mode concert film. I don't know, I'm gonna get into Depeche Mode concert films this weekend, delve into some proper rock stardom to get ready for Tuesday's episode. When you're listening to our new Depeche Mode story, be thinking about their song, Personal Jesus. Great song. A song that upset my mother to no end. That video, oh my goodness, it just drove her nuts. I still don't know why.

• 20:08Jake Brennan?

  When you're listening to Depeche Mode and you're thinking about personal Jesus, think about not their version, think about the Johnny Cash version. It's such an unlikely cover song. I remember when that came out, we were like, what? What the fuck? It made no sense. But then again, quickly, it made all the sense in the world. My point is that it's a very unlikely cover, and I love unlikely covers and I love the conversation around unlikely covers. And that's going to be our new question of the week. That's going to be what we're going to be talking about next week. So call me 617-906-6638 and let me know what songs you've come across in your music

• 20:51Jake Brennan?

  listening experience that are great unlikely covers. Marilyn Manson's Sweet Dreams by The Eurythmics comes to mind. Beck covering Raspberry Beret, there's a whole bunch here. Let me know some of your favorite unlikely cover songs. You know, which familiar song did you hear covered by an artist that made you go? 617-906-6638. Leave me a voicemail with your answers. Text me with your answers. Email me at [email protected] with your answers. Hit me on Instagram and Facebook and elsewhere at disgracelandpod with your answers. I will be back right after this with, you got it, your answers to last week's question of the week.

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• 23:53Speaker 05

  All right, guys. 617-906-6638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone with all you beautiful disgraced listeners. This goes last week's question of the week in relation to our most recent episode on Grace Jones was, "Which musicians do you love who made the transition to acting? Or which actors do you love who made the transition to music?" Let's hear from Amy in the 414.

• 24:18Speaker 06

  Hey, Jake. This is Amy. I'm calling to tell you that my favorite actor slash musician is Tom Waits and Iggy Pop. There's two of them. They're both proteges of Jim Jarmusch, who's one of my favorite directors. I love the work that Tom Waits has done in Don't My Love, Dead Don't Die, I think is, I think that's where he went about, and other things. Oh, Dracula. He was amazing in Dracula. He was actually the best actor in that 90s Dracula, because really, nobody else was very good in it. I think that answers your question. So have a good night. Bye.

• 24:53Jake Brennan?

  Amy, thank you for your message. I love Tom Waits so much. You know, when I was making music back in the day, my dream was that if we ever got a big record deal, like a huge record deal, you know, this is the 90s when they spent millions of dollars on videos and we had a gigantic, you know, if we were given a gigantic video budget, my dream was to hire Tom Waits to act in our video. Sadly, though, it never happened. But I am with you. I hear you. I love Tom Waits in, well, for basically everything, but I love, you mentioned a couple of good roles, but I love him in The Outsiders as well. It's a brief, brief role, Buck Merrill. He's also great as the limo driver in Robert Altman's Shortcuts.

• 25:36Jake Brennan?

  Basically, anytime the guy comes on screen, I, like you, get excited. So thank you for your call. Appreciate you. Let's check out Abby from the 505 on our question of great music memoirs.

• 25:48Speaker 07

  Hey Jake, it's Abby calling from the 505. Talking about great biographies, of course, Keith Richards autobiography is phenomenal and the all time classic Hammer of the Gods, Led Zeppelin. And I really also enjoyed Zane's conversations with Tom Petty. Oldies but goodies. Keep them coming. Thanks.

• 26:13Jake Brennan?

  Abby, thanks for the call. Keith Richards' life, fantastic, an all timer in all the conversation, however, that we've had over this week and last about great music memoirs. You are the first to bring up Hammer of the Gods, which, what a controversial book when it came out. I think I was, I don't know, 14 when I read that book. I should not have read it at 14. I hope my kids don't read it at 14. That's a great one. And I love, I love, love, love Tom Petty, the book he did with Warren Zanes. It's fantastic. It's so good. Thank you for those recs. Let's hear from the 480.

• 26:56Speaker 00

  Hey Jake, this is Sue in Georgia, responding to your request for how we listen to podcasts, what podcasts we listen to. I prefer a storytelling podcast. I want to be told a story, a good story. My first was This American Life. And from there, I have accumulated a number. I went to My Favorite Murder, which is how I found you several years ago, so Disgrace Land, and then Hollywood Land through that. Great storytelling. I enjoy them. I'm way old. I'm in my 70s. So I don't know all the bands that you talk about, but I looked

• 27:38Speaker 00

  them up and I checked them out. You know, I have different tastes, way different tastes. I'm a child of the 60s, so a lot of pop. Anyway, enjoy your show. Glad to have you on exactly right now. And look forward to future stories. Take care.

• 27:57Jake Brennan?

  Sue, thank you. Thank you for your message. And yeah, we welcome fans of all music, of music from every generation. Sue, I want to, I want to hit on This American Life and the storytelling type of podcasting that we do here, and that they do it exactly right, and that we all love. And I think, in a way, This American Life, it was teaching us all how to tell stories, that podcast was, and Ira Glass was, before many of us even knew that this is what we would end up doing. So it's no, no surprise to me that, that our listeners, the great listeners like you, love This American Life. It's, it's, it's kind of the big bang of storytelling podcasting. It's fantastic.

• 28:41Jake Brennan?

  617-906-6638. You can call in like Sue and leave a message. You can also text. All right, let's check out this text from Miranda.

• 28:51Jake Brennan?

  In the 856. Hey Jake, Miranda from South Jersey here. I don't know why people do this, but they do it. So I did. I just came across this website. I thought you'd appreciate it. www dot what should I read next.com? I know you're a reader, as am I, and always looking for recommendations. And I found the concept interesting. My personal favorite book is The Lake of Dead Languages by Carol Goodman. It's a thriller with a wild twist, and I think you'd like it. Also, I watched Tiller Russell's Waco Dock, hands down, one of the best put together documentaries I've ever seen in my life. The parts with the helicopter footage showing the events and the story of the survivors we're describing, it is wild. Thank you for making the best podcast on the planet, truly, and congratulations on the exactly right I heart

• 29:33Jake Brennan?

  team up. That is amazing. 856 Miranda, thank you so much. I love this resource. What should I read next? It looks cool. I can't wait to delve into it a little more fully. The Lake of Dead Languages by Carol Goodman, a thriller with a wild twist, right up my alley. This sounds awesome. And yes, Tiller's Waco Dock on Netflix is absolutely incredible. It's, did you use the word harrowing? Is that what we use to describe it? That that feels accurate. If you didn't, that's how that's what I'm going to say about that. I'm kind of thinking about it now. I'm losing my my thought here. Back to the text messages. Trip me up there,

• 30:14Jake Brennan?

  Miranda. Appreciate you. Let's check out the 412. Hey Jake, this is Heather the Yinzer, and I kind of have a first world problem. I've been off work the last several weeks and haven't had a chance to listen to see if you read any of my reviews on Spotify. I usually listen to all your podcasts going to and from work, so that hasn't happened. And I'm about a month behind. And now I feel like Mickey Mouse in the fucking Fantasia. There's so many episodes to catch up on, so much of a good thing. Can you tell me if you read any reviews from Heather the Yinzer or Coropolis Peeps? That's my old Spotify name. I'm dying to get my hands on a Double Elvis t-shirt or hat. Thanks in advance and rock

• 30:55Jake Brennan?

  a roller. Heather, appreciate you as always. No, we did not read one of your reviews. But you know what, Heather? Email me. Or just respond here via text, your shirt size. I'll see what we got and I will just take you at your word that you left a review and I'll send you something good. Peoples, what are you at? What is this? What? Wait, what's happening? People are getting stuff in the mail? What's? Yeah. Well, occasionally you guys leave reviews on Apple Podcasts. And if I read the review here on the show and you hear your review, you get in touch, 617-906-6638 via text or voicemail and send me your shirt size. Not saying you'll get a shirt. You might get a pin. You might get a sticker. Sometimes I send shirts. Sometimes

• 31:39Jake Brennan?

  I send signed books. And the reason I do this is because the reviews help power discovery of the show. Super important. Lou2407 on Apple Podcasts, great content. Enjoy the pod. Love the format. Hey Lou, get in touch. We'll get you some merch. See how easy that was? Just go to Apple Podcasts and leave a review for DisgraceLand. And, hold on, hold on. Somebody was saying, but wait, I left reviews and I haven't gotten anything in the mail yet. Allison Marie Spencer and Rob McLean. You've got stuff coming your way shortly. Anyone else who left a review and heard it, read back on the pod, get in touch and we'll get you some merch. If you haven't left a review, go for it and we'll get you some merch. All right. 828 texts in. Hey Jake, this is Arwin from the 828. Two

• 32:21Jake Brennan?

  answers for this week. Crossover artist answer. Tom Waits is my favorite crossover artist. His music and acting, they are fantastic. That's two for Tom Waits, guys. Arwin goes on to say, when do I listen to podcasts? I often listen twice. Once when I have insomnia and need to listen to true crime to fall asleep. And then I listen again sometime in the next few days because I want to hear the episode while fully awake. I wonder if anyone else does this. Well, Arwin, I'll tell you, I oftentimes fall asleep when I'm reviewing the mixes of DisgraceLand. And then I wake up and I finish the review. It's

• 33:01Jake Brennan?

  the first time I admitted, admitted that to anyone. Matt, there you go. Don't take that personally. Okay, who else we got here? Let's do a couple more of these texts. The 907 writes in, "Hey Jake, congrats to you and all the team at Double Elvis for joining with Exactly Right Media. It was Karen in Georgia that guided me to Disgrace Land in the first place. How exciting to see what happens when my two favorite podcasts join forces. Keep doing what you're doing." Lisa from the 907. "Lisa, appreciate the support." Thank you. We are psyched on our partnership with Exactly Right and with Karen in Georgia from My Favorite Murder. 803 texts in, "Hey, fucking phenomenal Patti Smith episode. The way you told her story was just as badass as she is. Rock on." Thank you, 803. That was nice of you to say.

• 33:45Jake Brennan?

  323 writes in, "Jake, Jeff from the 323, the bar has been raised with the Patti Smith episode. You guys knocked it out of the park. You mentioned Jim Carroll a few times. Hopefully you have an episode brewing on Jim. He's put out some great punk records and not to mention his book, then the film, Basketball Diaries. Yes, definitely have a Jim Carroll episode in the works, or at least on a list. That'll be coming." Thanks, Jeff. Appreciate you. Guys, you know what else is coming? Me and your emails and some recommendations on the other side of this break.

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• 36:00Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. And I sort of made a pledge in the last few weeks to do more recommendations, both here in the after-party, music recommendations. We'll do some film and TV recs as well, but also with Zeth over in his rap party episode in the Hollywood land feed. And we got into a really interesting discussion this week on great theme songs from films, which is a harder question to answer than you might think. Excuse me. Matt, give the people a little bit of a taste of that conversation.

• 36:32Speaker 09

  So let me jump on my picks here. My first one is, I'm going to go the route that you tried to avoid, I think, a little bit here. And I'm going to choose the song Weird Science by Oingo Boingo.

• 36:42Jake Brennan?

  That's a great one, actually.

• 36:43Speaker 09

  From the John Hughes. I would listen. I would listen to that on purpose. I would. This, I mean, it comes, so it's on that, it was written for that movie, the John Hughes movie, but it's also on Oingo Boingo's Dead Man's Party, which I fucking love that album.

• 36:56Jake Brennan?

  I don't know that record.

• 36:58Speaker 09

  Oh, you don't know Dead Man's, well, it has Dead Man's Party, which is awesome. Just Another Day is on that. Stay. It's incredible. It's incredible. You need that in your life.

• 37:05Jake Brennan?

  All right, all right.

• 37:06Speaker 09

  I think it, I don't think it was their last. I think it was like midway through. But for those who don't know, Oingo Boingo is Danny Elfman's band from the eighties. This like strange, how would you define them? They're like an art pop kind of band.

• 37:19Jake Brennan?

  That's exactly how I define them. Like in the world of Talking Heads, but weirder and more, more kind of dance oriented and just.

• 37:25Speaker 09

  Even more so than Talking Heads.

• 37:26Jake Brennan?

  Yeah. And, and Weird Science is fantastic. I'm so pissed. I didn't think of that. I didn't, that movie's so, so huge in my, in my formative years. I'm bummed I didn't think of that.

• 37:36Speaker 09

  I picked up this really cool box set recently called Life Moves Pretty Fast. It's like five records and it's all the songs from John Hughes movies. So it's like Ferris Bueller, Breakfast Club, 16, everything.

• 37:47Jake Brennan?

  Wow.

• 37:48Speaker 09

  And including like they famously never released an official soundtrack for Ferris Bueller, which has a bunch of cool shit on it. So anyways, shout out to that. All right. My next song here is That Thing You Do.

• 38:00Jake Brennan?

  Oh, yes.

• 38:02Speaker 09

  The theme to the 1996 Tom Hanks film about the fictional band, The Wonders. This was written, of course, by Adam Schlesinger.

• 38:11Jake Brennan?

  Debatable.

• 38:13Speaker 09

  Fountains of Wayne? Oh, yeah.

• 38:14Jake Brennan?

  Debatable. Ask Mike Viola.

• 38:15Speaker 09

  Did Mike write it?

• 38:15Jake Brennan?

  Ask Mike Viola who wrote that song.

• 38:17Speaker 09

  Oh, shit. All right. So Mike Viola, the great, one of the great voices of all time, in my, my opinion, my humble opinion. Mike Viola sings this song.

• 38:25Jake Brennan?

  Mm hmm. And had something, had something to do with the writing, but wasn't credit, wasn't credited.

• 38:30Speaker 09

  Totally. I mean, there's some moments that totally feel like Mike moments. Yeah.

• 38:34Jake Brennan?

  That song's great. And thank you for reminding me that I need to show my kids that movie. It's so damn good.

• 38:41Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, you're gonna want to hear that convo with Zeth and I. It's some great theme song recommendations over in the Hollywood land rap party. Make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood land and Apple Podcasts, the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're releasing content over there. It's, it's, you know, it's music, guys, talking about movies and true crime in Hollywood history. And Hollywood Land is helmed by my partner in true crime, Zeth Lundie. We got three episodes hitting every week over there. And there's always a music connection to everything that we talk about. To further fuel, or as the manifestation, I should say, of the fuel that is our music in movie fascination, Zeth and I have another podcast, a video podcast, exclusively video,

• 39:26Jake Brennan?

  called This Film Should Be Played Loud, which looks at the greatest scores in soundtracks from music history. The last one was on The Big Lebowski, the next one is on High Fidelity. Go to disgracempod.com to sign up to become an all access member so that you can watch This Film Should Be Played Loud. But Hollywood Land is available to everybody. Subscribe to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, let's play new song, old song. Speaking of recommendations, the new song of the week recommendation, the new song that I am recommending for old heads like me is End of Beginning by Joe. That's DJ O. And I'm not gonna lie, I hated this song the first time I heard it, but my kids wore me down.

• 40:11Jake Brennan?

  They love it. Now, my kids also love Harry Nilsson and Fugazi and Weird Al and Mr. Fantasy, so they got pretty great taste. Joe, the artist, is also Steve from Stranger Things, the actor, Joe Keery. So this, this recommendation makes perfect sense for this week because of our Grace Jones episode. We're talking about actors and musicians who made the transition from acting to music and vice versa. So Joe, DJ O, End of Beginning, that is my new song recommendation for this week. The old song that I'm recommending this week, okay? The old song is Misunderstanding by Phil Collins for a couple of reasons. One, it was just announced that Phil Collins is going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year.

• 40:55Jake Brennan?

  Two, as lame as I thought Phil was as a kid, I have late in life onset Phil Collins appreciation disease, and I love this damn song. I've probably listened to this song more than any other single song in the past 12 months, and that's saying something. Now, listen, I get it, Phil Collins is lame. Phil Collins is shit that your math teacher listened to when he couldn't find his lame ass Jimmy Buffett CDs. Phil Collins is the dude who looks like your Uncle Rick, if your Uncle Rick was even lamer than he already is. Phil Collins was in Genesis, and the only thing lamer than Genesis is Phil Collins. According to your 12-year-old MTV-watching guys, Phil Collins is even lamer than Peter Gabriel, and that is no easy thing to do. But here's the thing. What I'm saying, all these years later, is that Phil Collins is the shit,

• 41:38Jake Brennan?

  and this old song needs to be listened to with new ears. New shit has come to light, dude. Misunderstanding by Phil Collins, give it a spin after End of Beginning by Joe. Got a new song you want to recommend to me and your fellow discos? How about an old song? 617-906-6638. All right, listen, speaking of the Hall of Fame, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Zeth and I made some predictions, and boy, oh, boy.

• 42:04Jake Brennan?

  It was a thing, and we get into that in the exclusive section of this year After Party coming up. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All-Access member. All right, guys, we will be back right after this break.

• 42:28Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. Listen, we mentioned so many artists in this episode of the After Party. Lot of them are featured in disgraceland episodes from the past in our archive. I'm gonna pick out a couple here: Jeff Buckley, Madonna, George Michael. Okay, we have episodes on all three of those artists, and Matt will have the episode information in the show notes of this After Party to help you navigate through our archive to find those stories. If you've got questions on other stories, other artists that we've covered, hit me up. I'll point you in the right direction. All right, let's recap. Number one, this week, our new episode on Grace Jones is available for you right now.

• 43:10Jake Brennan?

  Number two, our rewind episode is on the Beastie Boys, and that's coming up for you guys this Sunday. Number three, next week's new episode, we are getting sexy with Depeche Mode. Four, Zeth is gonna give you those Hollywood and true crime vibes in Hollywoodland, so make sure that you are subscribed to the Hollywoodland Podcast. I'm also giving you my music recs over in the Hollywoodland Rap Party, that's happening every week. Number five, currently, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast with our new episode on Big Lebowski is available for you to check out, you gotta be an All-Access member for that. Our next episode is gonna be on High Fidelity. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting with your answers to the question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about.

• 43:54Jake Brennan?

  Number seven, don't forget discos, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace. Back on April 8th, 1989, the iconic Grace Jones was arrested in Kingston, Jamaica. The clampdown, baby, here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, The Look, Rock Set, last week. Three, Peak Position, one, Weeks on Chart, nine. Number two, Eternal Flame, The Bangles, last week, one, Peak Position, one, Weeks on Chart, ten.

• 44:39Jake Brennan?

  Number three, Girl, You Know It's True, Milli Vanilli, last week, two, Peak Position, two, Weeks on Chart, fourteen. Number four, She Drives Me Crazy, Fine Young Cannibals, last week, six, Peak Position, four, Weeks on Chart, eleven. Number five, Like a Prayer, Madonna, last week, eleven, Peak Position.

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