How to Complete Overhaul Your Health in 2025 | Aaron Alexander

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• 0:00Codie Sanchez?

  Welcome back to the Big Deal Podcast. I'm Codie Sanchez for those who don't want to just be rich but free and willing to do what it takes to get there. Okay, today, Aaron Alexander. This man is an absolute savage. He's trained Laird Hamilton, he's trained Aaron Rodgers, he's trained a bunch of A-list celebrities. I can't even say, and he doesn't talk about them on the internet. But what's most interesting about him is it's actually not about fitness today, really at all. This is about how you work, what your work setup looks like. So if you have back pain at all, knee pain, hip pain, you're gonna want to listen to this. If you want to figure out how do you attract more people through your body posture, if you want to know if you look like a beta or an alpha just from the way you're presenting yourself, this is for you. Also, if you are at all

• 0:41Codie Sanchez?

  interested in physiologically, how do we get more healthy in our day to day without having to add a bunch of fucking bio hacks that nobody has time to do, this is the episode for you. He also talks about perineum sunning. So there's that. Also, you guys, we did a study and we realized 82% of you are actually not subscribed to the channel. So you watch the videos, but you haven't hit that little subscribe button. So do it right now so we can get bigger guests, better guests, more fun things to do for all of you guys. Let's get into it.

• 1:15Codie Sanchez?

  I think you can talk about this.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  I can talk about whatever.

• 1:17Codie Sanchez?

  I saw you doing some crazy training with Kelly Slater.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  No, no, Laird Hamilton.

• 1:23Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, right. Whoops. Other surfer.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26Codie Sanchez?

  What's the deal? Do these guys bring you in to do training with them? What does it look like to train with a surfer underwater to hold your breath for 47 years? How does that work?

• 1:38Speaker 01

  So Laird was just like mutual connections and I was working with Aaron Rodgers at the time. So I went through all of his rehab and such during the season that he tore his Achilles. And Laird is neighbors with Aaron. And so we reached out to them and to go over and just like do some pool training, just kind of like diversify the type of training. And also training with community is really helpful as well. And incorporating like all the metabolic stuff with breath holds and temperature regulation, all that stuff.

• 2:08Codie Sanchez?

  But you, I mean, these guys are pro athletes. They ostensibly know how to work out.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13Codie Sanchez?

  What do you bring to the equation? Because you do some crazy shit that I've seen on the internet. Like what are you getting them to do that they're not doing previously?

• 2:21Speaker 01

  I think, I mean, I would have like a BS joking response first, but going past that, I think probably just diversity. The main thing that I specialize in, which I don't really talk about so much, is bodywork, manual therapy. Rolfing, structural integration is something that, I don't know, probably nobody really knows what that is exactly. It's a type of manual therapy or bodywork that focuses on fascia or connective tissue, and also specializes or focuses on the integration of the body. So traditional massage therapy is oftentimes like effleurage, you're like rubbing all of the tissue. When you're working with fascia specifically, it's kind of more like slow, deep contact,

• 3:01Speaker 01

  and it's about rehydration of connective tissue and unbinding fascial layers. So a person can get like stuck in their body from sitting around all day long, or from doing the same repetitive motions. Those muscle bellies will start to agglomerate, is the term for it, actually bind together. That becomes dehydrated, you almost get like stuck in your movement patterns. My specialty would be unbinding those patterns and then integrating that with movement. So first, you do the bodywork stuff, and I do a combination of like, you know, you see me do like acro yoga and a bunch of weird stuff, and then the manual techniques, and then integrating that with movement. And the movement's what kind of like, it's like pressing save on the file. So if you just get a massage and you come out and you're all like loose and you feel

• 3:45Speaker 01

  great, that's lovely, but then you typically will just go back to the same patterns afterwards. And so reteaching a person new movement patterns, so that doesn't come back. And then the next layer would be going in and checking out a person's home, checking out a person's work life, like how do you actually engage with your body for the other 85% of the day? Because your training is a very miniscule part of your actual like movement experience or movement practice throughout the day.

• 4:10Codie Sanchez?

  Fascinating.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, so like a holistic lens on movement and training.

• 4:14Codie Sanchez?

  What is Rolfing exactly? That sounds kind of painful. Does that hurt?

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Rolfing comes from a gal called Ida P. Rolf. It's kind of in like a similar vein or family as osteopathy.

• 4:24Codie Sanchez?

  Naturally.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. And so if you've heard of fascia, which has become like a popular term in the last whatever decade or so with trainers and yogis and stuff like that, that was kind of like the, like the, she set a lot of the foundation and groundwork for people to start really investigating fascia. And so fascia is this infinitely complex connective tissue that's binding all of, all of your, your organs and your parts and all the structures in your body. It's like the communication network for your whole entire body and it works specifically with that network.

• 4:56Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting. And so if somebody is in pain in particular because of like a muscle movement or like you said, too much repetitive action, then they would come and first you would sort of dig into them with this Rolfing technique and then you would do maybe?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  First I would probably look at their breath. So I did private practice, working with clients and specifically manual therapy for like 15 years and then that kind of shifted into the podcast and, you know, other stuff, social media and online programs and all that. But when I was specifically like all day, I'd see like, you know, four to six clients a day and that was kind of like my game. And so anytime when someone would come in, I would watch how they, it's a little creepy, but I'd like watch how they would get out of the car. I'd watch how they walk in. So I would like observe their movement and their patterns and their breathing and all that stuff before they would actually see me because now they like know that I'm like analyzing.

• 5:50Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  You know, so one of the big things is, you know, breath is like the foundation of everything, you know? So if you are feeling stressed out chronically, if you're feeling, if like sleep is challenging for you, if you're chronically having like tense muscles, hypertonicity, your breathing is going to be the foundation for regulating all those systems. And so if a person is chronically like stuck in an inhalation, like, you know, that's like what happens when you get surprised or you get scared, you have a full exhalation.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Like even just doing that now, like, you know, going into an interview or something like that, a really beautiful thing for you to do is emphasize your exhalation. Also, slow down your pacing of your words. You know, you can even like, that will start to just naturally start, your voice will start to get a little bit deeper. You know, and so your vocal cords, it's all a tonicity thing. So if your vocal cords are really tight, you start talking like this, and you start going really fast. If you slow things down, it's kind of like a bottom up approach at augmenting the way that you feel, modulating your state, you know, changing your state, Tony Robbins stuff. And so something as simple as that, like you can probably feel right now, even just me slowing down a little bit, just doing a sigh, because we're always attuning to each

• 7:06Speaker 01

  other, you know, and you're big with communication and rapport, closing deals, all that stuff. If we're communicating in such a way where I feel nervous, which coming into this, I was a little bit nervous because I want to like do a good job for you. And so in that, previous to that little bookmarked moment where I exhaled, I could observe myself being a little bit, talking a little bit faster, my voice probably even a little bit higher, just that simple exhale.

• 7:34Codie Sanchez?

  That does feel nice.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  And a pause. And even like a breath hold, you know, all of that, what's happening when you exhale, it's actually causing your diaphragm to raise up, and it's causing the blood vessels in around your heart to get a little bit smaller, which causes your heart rate to slow down. It's called sinus respiratory arrhythmia is the fancy term for it, but it sends a signal into your blood vessels in your brain, say, okay, let's slow things down a little bit. So actually, it's that parasympathetic side of the nervous system. So if a person is coming in and they're tight, and their traps are tight, and their jaws tight, and their hands tight, and all that stuff, for you to just go in and start like banging away, chipping away at their shoulders, it's fine, it will have an effect, but it

• 8:21Speaker 01

  wouldn't have as global of an effect as if you just first started coming in and just worked with their breath. So do some rib cage stuff, you could even just work with a person, you can conduct really good therapy, like manual therapy, just through language, just through communication.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Because if I communicate in such a way, it will affect your nervous system. If your nervous system is affected, then the tone of your muscles and your connective tissue is also affected.

• 8:46Codie Sanchez?

  That's so interesting because there's this study that we reference a lot about how unders and overperformers have sort of an unbalanced impact on people. And so if you're around top performers, top 10% performers in any company, those top performers can increase your performance by about 15%. If you're around underperformers, they actually decrease your performance by about 30%. So I always thought about it more as a execution of job activity. But it's really interesting that it could even just be, like you said, you're influenced even by the way that you breathe and how fast you talk. And that nervous energy kind of transfers. Do you find that to be true?

• 9:26Speaker 01

  For sure. And also I wonder within, you would know more about this than I would. But I wonder within a company, just having 100% like overperformers, I wonder if that's almost imbalanced in and of itself, where it's nice to have like a jester around. Or someone's like, they're just a silly bitch. And they lighten the vibe and they bring happiness and joy and connection and this like familial tie to the team. So like, they mess up every now and again, but they just make everybody feel so good.

• 9:54Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, we've got a personality hire. She's also a girl, but her name's Lindsay. And she self-proclaims herself to be a personality hire.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  It's an important thing.

• 10:03Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, and she was dancing in my office the other night at 8:30 at night. I'm like, the fuck is wrong with you? But we all smiled. And you're right, I think that's really interesting. So even as, as like a member of a team, you could bring sort of different energy to the team and probably be highly valued from that too.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  And it would affect the direction of the company. You know, so if the company is just about the bottom line and the ROI and the numbers, it's cool, you'll get, you know, money and assets, you'll acquire things. But ultimately that probably won't lead to like a higher quality of life to the same degree of like, I enjoyed every step of the process and I died with $100 million, but I enjoyed the whole process.

• 10:43Codie Sanchez?

  Totally.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Compared to I was just grinding through my life. I've got $100 million, I don't have any friends, I've just like, I've like, I've missed it. And now I'm on my deathbed and I'm like, holy crap, what am I gonna do with all this paper?

• 10:54Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, exactly. She's got a lot of paper.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  A lot of paper around.

• 10:59Codie Sanchez?

  I'm gonna start drawing money paper from now on like that. You know, I'm like trying to envision, you like walk into two huge celebrities, Aaron Rodgers or Laird Hamilton. Do they ever think it's weird when you bring these ideas to them? Like, how do you, how do you, how do you ease them in? They, top performers just already know this stuff and they know it's important.

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• 12:16Speaker 01

  Laird, well, I mean Laird and Aaron, they're super like spiritual people. So for them, it's, it's, it's, it's not irregular at all. For some people, you know, whatever, that other like big time celebrity type folk that might be a little bit more like linear that I've worked with, or just people in general.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  For them, it would be more meeting them where they're at. Everything is business deal. Like, everything is sales. Everything is rapport building. And so if I meet you where you're at, then you can trust me because ultimately you want more tribe that's, that's similar to yourself. And so similar, like a, a starting point would be like the way I dress. We just happen to be wearing the exact same thing right now.

• 12:57Codie Sanchez?

  We're buddies.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's a cool thing. So already immediately, there's a little, if, I mean, we already knew each other before and like had rapport and connection, all that stuff. But if we didn't, immediately upon connection, be like, I like her a little bit more. Right?

• 13:10Codie Sanchez?

  Because we like people that are like us.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  We like people that are like us. We want us to win. Right? So we want our tribe to win. You know, and so then the next thing would be like matching the fingerprint of another person's nervous system, which sounds a little like poetic and wanky to say, but you know, the way a person, the cadence of a person's breath is something you will naturally start to attune to. And you're going to tune to whoever's the most like alpha in the room. You know, and typically the most alpha person hopefully is the most calm person because they're relaxed. They don't have anything to like hide or protect from. Unless they're a king, in which case then they put their throne in the back of the walls. There's nobody behind them and they can see, you know, all of the minions in the crowd. And there's like a threat. They might be a little more stressed out. But if you're leading like from beside and you're actually like a leader that's, that's, you know, respects people within them, probably you're pretty calm because you don't feel

• 13:57Speaker 01

  that people are trying to like assassinate you. You know, so that would be something that you're naturally going to do to, to bridge connection with somebody is you're naturally going to start to mimic their breathing pace. Right? So that's something that's pretty interesting. You're going to naturally start to mimic their facial gestures. You're going to naturally start to mimic their body language. You know, so if I go into a room and people are, you mentioned like tech neck stuff. If people are kind of like slouchy and tech necky and you know, maybe they haven't been outside very much and they're like the, the skin's pale and they're treating a bunch of BPA or whatever, I don't want to come in and be too like full throttle, chest out, you know, jacked tan, glass water bottle, spiritual crystals. It's too much. Right? So I need to like wind it back a little bit. I need to kind of like, okay, I gotta

• 14:42Speaker 01

  fit in a little bit. Calm down. You know, it's maybe a little slouch is fine. You know, I don't need to be doing like some pigeon pose in the middle of the, the meeting. Like I can kind of like relax into this a little bit. And then we build connection and then from there we go into like, okay, now I have something to share with you. And so if a person that's more type A, you know, structured, then for them it's going to be like, okay, we're going to get, we're going to, you know, go through, we're going to do blood testing, we're going to give you lots of like documents, we're going to, we're going to set goals and we're going to measure your calories and your macros and you know, we're going to give you a structured program and something you can follow and trust. And then from there, once we build that bridge of trust, then we can start adding some of the other like esoteric principles.

• 15:22Codie Sanchez?

  That's wild. So you? Probably are incredibly observant with people, like just extreme body awareness, like very observant naturally. Is that part of?

• 15:31Speaker 01

  I think we all are. I just put language to it.

• 15:33Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what's governing the way that we communicate. You know, there's like, I don't remember the specific, I think it's the thirty, thirty-eight, fifty-five, thirty-eight, seven principle of body language is, the suggestion is that seven percent of our communication comes from the actual words that we're saying to each other, and then thirty-eight is coming from the tone of the way that we communicate, and then fifty-five is coming from body language. And where that is relevant is if there's conflict between the two. So if you're just talking to somebody on the phone, obviously, it's gonna be a little bit different, but if you're in communication with somebody, and I'm telling you some words, you know, I'm saying like, you know, "I'm a big fan of you, you're doing a really great job," but maybe I'm saying that in a tone that is kind of like, fast or high

• 16:19Speaker 01

  pitched, or maybe my hips are facing the door, maybe I'm like a little bit fidgety, you're like, "I don't trust this person." You know, so that little seven percent of the actual words you're saying is significantly less than the tone and the body language. And so then it gets into like, if you want to be successful in your business or your closing of deals, for you to have the capacity to have the flexibility and range of motion with your facial gestures and with your body language, and with your, your, your, the movement of communication, that will allow you to adapt to a broader set of environments. Whereas if you're stuck in your body, you have one mode, you're good for somebody and some group of people, but you're not good for everybody, which is valuable. If you want to be like a gear that's really good at a thing, which some people are, and

• 17:04Speaker 01

  that's perfect, that's great. But if you want to be able to walk in twenty-five, twenty-five different rooms, and be able to kind of make, make deep connection with quickness in those, it'd be helpful for you to probably explore things like dance, you know, or like workout, or get yourself like, get yourself healthy, so you have a broader range of motion of the way that you can communicate.

• 17:25Codie Sanchez?

  I've never thought about it that way. Speaking of which, like, let's say that you're, you know, you're a young dude, you want to project confidence to women, you want to engage with them confidently, what, what body language do you put out there? What would you tell them to do?

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Relax. So, people like to be around people that make them feel good.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  Right, so if you can make people laugh, or not make people laugh, if you can open up, you know, the potential for laughter or whatever, it would be a little weird, sadistic, like make somebody laugh. But if you can open up laughter and lightheartedness, like that's obviously gonna be helpful, but that's something that's a little bit, you know, harder to like teach. Something that's really, really easy to teach is just chill. You know, so if you go into a place and people were stressed out, they're feeling anxious, they're worried about whatever the thing is, and for like whatever it is, just whenever Bobby comes in, everybody just like calms down a little bit. You know, so for a woman, what a woman generally wants, and what anybody wants, but I think women probably even lean higher in this is safety. You know, so a woman wants to be

• 18:32Speaker 01

  able to trust, and she wants to be able to feel safe, she wants to be able, like she can put her guard down. Women are like prey animals in a city. You know, like I would imagine walking around a city and being as like a, like a semi-attractive woman, you just have the sensation of everybody wants to eat me. You know, so guys want to eat.

• 18:50Codie Sanchez?

  Well, I think daily, actually.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:52Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  You know, and I think there's probably a lot about women that men don't understand, and will never be able to understand, because they don't actually understand. Like, to me, I actually look forward to the idea of someone breaking into my house, because I have a gun, like sitting underneath my-

• 19:05Codie Sanchez?

  You're a psychopath. My husband's just like this.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  A lot of guys are.

• 19:07Codie Sanchez?

  So what, what, have you fantasized this out fully? Like, have you thought about like what would happen?

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Regularly, last night.

• 19:12Codie Sanchez?

  So, what's the protocol?

• 19:15Speaker 01

  I was on the phone last night. I was talking to somebody. I'm going to Miami for the winter, and so I have somebody that's gonna be staying at my place. I'm talking on the phone, I'm naked, I'm in my bed. Uh, we're talking, and we're just like BSing about whatever, and I hear something downstairs. I'm casually talking on the phone, I reach underneath my bed, I grab my gun, there's like a little flashlight thing on it, and I'm walking around the corner with my gun, as I'm having a casual conversation with the girl. That's not what a woman experiences.

• 19:43Codie Sanchez?

  Nope.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 19:44Codie Sanchez?

  That's not, I'm not like the same as, it'd be better if I was naked. I don't wanna walk, I mean, I do have a gun. So that is part of it. But no, Chris, my husband, has a full projection of what he will do.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  I think about it several times a week. I'm not embellishing.

• 19:59Codie Sanchez?

  Wait, I have another man question. Do men also often think, I have this friend Sam Parr, and one of his favorite things to talk about is he goes, you know, when I'm in a meeting with people, sometimes I just look around and I think, I could beat them all up.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  All the time. Particularly less, less if I'm, so different things bring out different personalities. Right now, I've been obsessing more over boxing and kickboxing. So that creates, it's almost like you have this like imprint of your body if you want to like punch and kick, and you start to see the world a little bit more aggressive in a way. Jiu Jitsu is a similar thing. If I'm training Jiu Jitsu a lot, which I haven't for a while, but I used to. It's a similar thing. Like, you're just looking and you're like, okay, I can grab their wrist, a little wrist lock, or I can come up behind them and like rear naked. It's just, I think it's just like boredom, really. We have so much time on our hands. And our brains just want to create. And I think men naturally want to protect. Men want to feel purposeful.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  And like the highest expression of purpose and like an immediate sense for a man is I can protect a woman physically. It's like, it's like, it's like the thing that most men, no matter their size, big, small, whatever, like they're praying for that moment to be able to, it's just like a dog. Like, we both, you know, recently did the thing with Mut Love and all that, and I've been fostering a dog. What she desires most is just to feel like she was purposeful for me. So she barks and all that stuff. She doesn't really care about somebody out there. It's just she wants to like show up for me and protect. That's what a man wants to do for one.

• 21:29Codie Sanchez?

  That's such a good point. Yeah, that was really cool, by the way. We should give them a shout out, which is Mut Love, rescue for Belgian Malinois.

• 21:38Codie Sanchez?

  And you were really cool. I posted on my Instagram and was like, we're trying to get 10 puppies fostered. It was like breaking my heart, too, because they're beautiful, intelligent dogs. And we had a hell of a time getting them fostered. And you were one of the very few people that are like, I'll take one. And you know, it's not like your lifestyle makes that easy. It's not like you aren't traveling around all the time and with stuff to do. And I thought that was really cool.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, very additive.

• 22:03Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, well, you know, a lot of people talk about all the reasons why they can't do things.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:07Codie Sanchez?

  That was not you.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, something else that's interesting is I'm holding this tea. Have you heard of any of the research where when people hold like a, when they read a resume of someone and it's from on a, like a heavy, thick, what's it called, clipboard? They will perceive the resume as being like weightier and more sturdy and like more trustworthy. It's a similar thing if there was research done with people holding a cold beverage versus holding a, a warm beverage.

• 22:36Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  If those were holding, this is very clever, I mean, you guys didn't do this intentionally. But me holding a warm beverage right now, based on the research, would cause me to have more of a sensation of perceiving the world around me, including like where I'm projecting my focus being you.

• 22:50Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  As being more warm and like open and like, ah. Whereas if I'm holding like an ice cold lemonade here, I would see you as being, like, project the lemonade onto my world around me.

• 23:03Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I've actually heard that research, but I've never thought about using it. That's actually quite clever to think about, you know, and if you bring people into your sphere, can you have warmth? I think about it, actually, that's not true. I always have a warm coffee when I film because I'm pretty in my head and, and, you know, linear maybe, as you would say. And so a lot of the stuff that I talk about is like deals and duh, money, and that can feel harsh shit. It can feel cold and it can feel mean maybe even. And so when I hold a warm beverage, then for some reason it reminds you to smile in it. Yeah, I used to have to have a sign that Samuel made for me, my videographer, that just said, shut up. What did it say? It said, uh, smile bitch.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 23:40Codie Sanchez?

  Because I just wasn't, you know, I was like, and then the next step is blah. And that's not really very, you wanna, even if you're gonna learn from somebody, you wanna like them.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  How do you infuse, the way that you project yourself is, would be like traditionally a lot of like the masculine principles and like business? How do you infuse, and masculine feminine is just like a concept, it's not like an actual thing. And it doesn't relate to sex, but masculine, directive, head of the spear, get things done, you know, show up on time. Feminine, colorful, nurturing, you know, show up 25 minutes late, like, it's all good, I'm just here for like love and beauty. You know, both men and women share those things, has nothing to do with sex. How do you infuse femininity into your life?

• 24:21Codie Sanchez?

  It's hard.

• 24:24Codie Sanchez?

  It's really hard. I think I talked to you about this when we did that workout. I'm like, I'm trying to be more feminine, which sounds like the dumbest thing ever to say.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't, but so that's masculine.

• 24:34Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  I'm trying to be feminine.

• 24:36Codie Sanchez?

  Four steps to be a female.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  You're like, okay, well, we gotta rework that.

• 24:42Codie Sanchez?

  But you know what I've found a lot of times is like when you want to feel something, just pretend you feel it and then you often start to feel it. And so I like, yeah, and, and I, I felt that with like, I don't actually care about makeup and hair and clothes very much. And I really didn't when I started. I kind of thought it was like a waste of time and like I look the way that I look and like I'll do whatever. And then I realized it's not very feminine and also like maybe I could play with it a little bit. And so then I started doing more makeup and hair and like playing around with jewelry and getting my nails done. And so I started doing these things that are perceived feminine so that maybe I would feel a little bit more feminine coming into it. And then I ended up like loving it and I had a lot of, yeah, I had fun with putting it all together and sort of the creative aspect of.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  So the funny thing is like what, when, when a person is quote unquote like faking it till they're making it, they're moving themselves into those positions, which isn't fake at all. And you are modulating your nervous system, your breathing patterns. You'll choose maybe textures that you wear, maybe more like soft and fluffy, fluffy, or maybe they're kind of like sleek and sensual and you can like feel your body. You're like more touchable for, you know, other people, like hopefully your partner or whatever, and as well as yourself. It, it actually physiologically changes your state, which ends up augmenting the way that you think and the way that you feel. And so it's, it's actually like a real structural tangible thing, the faking it till you make it. You're, you're creating physiological change in that process of quote unquote faking, you're not faking anything. You, you are the

• 26:10Speaker 01

  conductor of your physiology and your, and your thoughts and your feelings and your emotions. And so if a person is feeling a certain way, which, you know, right now it's like I was reading this morning about like Americans, probably, you know, the Western world going through like a friendship recession where loneliness is becoming more and more prominent, particularly around young people. And, you know, depression is, is on the rise and anxiety. And I think a lot of this is, a lot of people are quietly suffering. Because, I would presume, this is my experience with quietly suffering, is you don't want to project, "I'm actually feeling lonely, I'm actually feel, I feel like a loser, I feel disconnected, I feel unlovable," I feel any of these things,

• 26:53Speaker 01

  because you have an internalized fear that that's actually gonna make you be like a social pariah. So you have to front and pretend like you have your shit together. And then, you're around people, because we're always rapport building, and we're always attuning to each other, so now you cause other people to put a front up, and now you have these superficial, vain, plastic relationships, when underneath, what you really desire is just to feel safe enough to be vulnerable.

• 27:18Codie Sanchez?

  I think, I think you're very right on that. You know, and it's interesting, because I think, you know, we talk a lot about, um, community, obviously, because we buy community businesses, we buy small businesses. And, and I think one of the, the biggest things that we've done to our society today is that we've kinda like sucked the soul out of everything that used to put us together. And that's, that's to be a gross generalization, but think about it, I mean, I talk about it with the team. I don't buy, I'll buy any of their food that they want, you know, while they're at the office, working, or whatever. Coffee, um, you know, lunch, whatever, but not from a big corporation. I'm like, if, if you want a coffee, it's not from Starbucks, it's from the local coffee shop. And the reason why is because you feel, or at least I do, when I go into a Starbucks,

• 28:02Codie Sanchez?

  they don't spell my name right. The place feels devoid of community, it used to be a third place, it no longer is. But when you go to Persian Cafe down the way, you're like, oh, like, I remember, hey Sally, good to see you again. And like, you run into a friend there, and it feels communal. And I think we've done that, at least from a business perspective, in a big way, and I think that trickles down across everything in society.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  How important do you think, one, I'm also noticing that you're crossing your legs as well, which is great.

• 28:27Codie Sanchez?

  To be fair, I do this all the time.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Oh god, it's so much better for your health.

• 28:30Codie Sanchez?

  Is it really?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  So much.

• 28:31Codie Sanchez?

  Because I just find it much more comfortable.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  It's so dumb, that we sit, like, your legs, your feet, your whole lower compartments are so far away from your heart in this position.

• 28:41Codie Sanchez?

  Well, that's true, why does that matter?

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Um, well, it's helpful for circulation, it's helpful for digestion, like, you wanna get your blood back up in your center. Right? And then also, being in that position, there's nothing wrong with sitting, like, sitting's fine. And a chair is nothing wrong with a chair, it's just a tool. Uh, it's just the body needs some level of semi-perpetual, like, agitation to be able to circulate.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  You know, so there was another point that I was gonna say, but this is also, I think, relevant and valuable. Like, one of the things that's really important is we have these waist management systems in our body called our lymphatic system. And the places where your lymphatic system has the high concentration of lymphatic glands are in places of a high volume of movement. So, back behind your knees, in your groin, in your hip area, in your abdomen, in your shoulders, in your neck. These are all places that just through evolution, they were placed there because naturally you would be walking across the plane or wherever the heck you're walking at, depending upon your belief system. You would be kind of rinsing out those anatomical positions in the body through movement. So you're going like this, with the rags to the daisies.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  You're naturally running your waist management system. You're pick, that's like the garbage collector, picking up all the old trash all day long. A person can start to get toxic and sick just in their own sedentariness. And so when you're sitting in that position and you're chronically flexing those positions, you're crimping off all of those valves and all of the precious tissue, the glands and such, in the hips and in the knees and in the, you know, the neck. You have the forward head posture stuff and you have the shoulders rolled forward, all that stuff. You're literally taking all of those plumbing systems, all those pipes, and you're going "eh." And then you're wondering why you have, fill in the blank, form of disease. Like, you're toxic.

• 30:25Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  And the way that you circulate your toxicity is through movement and expression. So, expression could be, by becoming a more expressive person and communicating like they do in Italy or Spain or, you know, anywhere in Latin America, they are actually cleaning themselves in their communication and their connection.

• 30:46Codie Sanchez?

  I've never thought about it that way.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  It's really important.

• 30:49Codie Sanchez?

  That makes all the sense in the world. I've started getting lymphatic massages. Really enjoying it.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  You don't need lymphatic massage. You can literally just like go take a dance class.

• 30:58Codie Sanchez?

  Wow.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the nice thing, actually, people, if people are interested, there's a, I just posted a video on my YouTube channel with a guy called Perry Nicholson, where it's called the-

• 31:07Codie Sanchez?

  It's just Aaron Alexander at YouTube?

• 31:09Speaker 01

  The YouTube's Align Podcast.

• 31:10Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, Align Podcast. But one of the clips we posted, it's like a seven-minute clip or so. Perry Nicholson, he's like the OG in lymphatic massage. One of the most important videos, I think, a person can watch. He calls it the big six, and he takes people through this really simple lymphatic drainage exercise. And it's really simple, you like, you rub along the collarbone, you rub around the armpits, rub around the stomach, rub around the groin, rub around the back of the knees. You kind of shake yourself up a little bit. Takes like five minutes. I'd highly recommend starting a little practice like that, because it opens up those channels for your body to be able to circulate.

• 31:42Codie Sanchez?

  How often do you do that?

• 31:43Speaker 01

  You can do it every day.

• 31:44Codie Sanchez?

  Every day?

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's also just nice having physical touch with yourself as well. People are very touch deprived, which is a whole nother conversation. There's a woman, so in my book, The Align Method, which I brought a copy for-

• 31:54Codie Sanchez?

  Yes.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  The, one of the chapters is all around the value of touch. And there's research that I included in there from, it was in the University of Miami, I believe. And the woman, Dr. Tiffany Field, she wrote a book called Touch. That's interesting, if you want to go deeper into that. One of the things that she included in there was they did research with premature babies that were in incubators. And they, traditionally, the lens would be, don't touch them, they got to keep it sterile, you don't want them to get sick. And they, so what they started to introduce is like, I think these children need like the most human thing, which is love and connection and that sensation, that deep visceral sensation of safety that arises from like, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm safe with you. Like I have mother's contact.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  What they did was they introduced, it was just 15 minutes, if I remember correctly, 15 minutes of, of little like baby massage, twice a day. And they found that the babies were able to grow, like it was, I think it was like two times faster. And they're eating the same amount of food, but suddenly just all of their systems, they go up into like, oh, cool, like we can heal, we can grow, we can go in that parasympathetic, rest, digest, heal, repair state, because we feel safe.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  And so if you're a person that's banging away in your computer, trying to make lots of Bitcoin or whatever, and you're just at home in your house, like untouched by anything, like your only physical contact is on the cold, hard, sad stool that you're sitting in front of your cold, hard, sad laptop. And it's just flat and it's banal and it's empty and it's just numbers. If you're in that place, what you really need is a hug.

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• 34:30Speaker 01

  You really need a hug.

• 34:32Codie Sanchez?

  I think this is a message for like all of X. Like every single person on Twitter needs that, actually. It explains so much.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  It'd be very helpful. You probably care less about the numbers on the screen. And that's what happens if you're more, uh, there's a book by a guy called Daniel, I think it's Daniel Mucochrist. Daniel Mucochrist? It's called Master and His Emissary. And it's about the left hemisphere, right hemisphere dynamic. And the left hemisphere is more like that kind of male dominant rational, get it done. Right hemisphere is more creative, expressive. Let's just, you know, throw paint in the wall and go take a vacation, have fun, love each other, and then we'll die someday. This would be great. Uh, the, that left hemisphere, you know, masculine spearhead, get it done. What happens is if that gets too much momentum and it gets too loud, it drowns out that side of life, the nurturing and love. And so a person will become addicted to the numbers on the screen

• 35:25Speaker 01

  and they'll become addicted to the concept or illusion of winning while they're potentially hurting themselves, hurting those around them, hurting the environment, hurting their community. But it's because they feel empty. And what they really need is love. And then they start making decisions like, you know what? I don't want to support that big evil corporation because I don't care that much about the bottom line.

• 35:44Codie Sanchez?

  Right.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Like, I want to support people that I love and care about, and I want to feel loved and cared about. And I want reciprocity, and I want connection, and I want to take care of all of the world. Like, that's of a higher value to me than, you know, netting an extra whatever, $100,000.

• 35:58Codie Sanchez?

  Is that why you're a long hugger?

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's, I think it's a little savage.

• 36:03Codie Sanchez?

  Are you a long hugger with everybody?

• 36:04Speaker 01

  I, I, I, I gauge my hugging off of other people. If it's, if it's, you know, for you, I'm like a midway hugger.

• 36:12Codie Sanchez?

  Okay.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  You know, I just kind of like subtly try to like respectfully nudge and like.

• 36:17Codie Sanchez?

  You push my hug boundaries?

• 36:18Speaker 01

  I'm kind of like, I'm kind of like, I'm here for more if you want. No, okay, we're good, we're good. If you, if you push it and you're uninvited, not good.

• 36:27Codie Sanchez?

  Not good.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Not good.

• 36:28Codie Sanchez?

  Okay.

• 36:30Codie Sanchez?

  And then how long is the longest hug that like you do normally?

• 36:36Speaker 01

  I've had some, some good 30 second hugs, I would say, 30, 45. Because what's nice, what's nice is, is, and this, I wouldn't want to do this if they're a little stinky.

• 36:44Codie Sanchez?

  Are you deep breathing with each other too?

• 36:45Speaker 01

  So I think.

• 36:45Codie Sanchez?

  Because that's where I draw the line.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  So there's a turn, I lived in Hawaii when I was, I was 18 and I went to Hawaii. And, well, I was, you did a podcast with Brian Callen recently.

• 36:56Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, God, he's hysterical.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  I did a podcast with him, I don't know, years ago when I lived in LA.

• 37:00Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  And one of the things, a joke that he mentioned, we were like talking about traveling, it was like, you know, hashtag world traveler, however, like subtly, you know, name dropping, subtly, I live in Hawaii, no big deal. You know, all trying to like validate. There, or in Hawaii, they call white people holly. Holly means without breath. And so the white man that came, I think it was like Cook or whoever, came and kind of like pillaged and killed and kind of like took the land from the Hawaiians, there's probably a lot more details to it than that. They were, they would not greet each other the way the Hawaiians would do. The way the Hawaiians would do is they would go up and they'd do like a little like connection with each other. We're not going to do it, but they do like almost like a little Eskimo kiss.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  And they would exchange breath with each other, so it'd say, oh, hey.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  How are you doing? What's going on? How's the day? Let's get to work.

• 37:53Codie Sanchez?

  Wild, every time. We would probably be a lot more chill of a society.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be a much deeper form of connection. Whereas now, the handshake, from what I understand, I think handshake is like checking to see if there's like a weapon. Which is pretty adequate. Unless you're in Texas.

• 38:11Codie Sanchez?

  That's normal. Now it makes sense.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  So, think about that. What that does to a culture.

• 38:15Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  So, if you're in a place, which is like the Dunbar number, you know, a place like less than 400 people or whatever, it allows you to be... Like, I have a place in... I used to live in Bend, Oregon. And I still have like residence there. And so, I'll go up there every now and again. And Bend is a place that I freaking love. Because it's kind of like a little like Hawaiian Eskimo-type culture. It's a small town. People really care about supporting local. They really care about like doing right by each other. Like, you could literally, in Bend, Oregon, you could walk up to somebody randomly on the street and be like, "Hey, bro. I'm having a rough time. I lost my wallet. Can I borrow 20 bucks?" I bet you 35% of the people you walk up to, they'll be like, "Of course. Keep it, no problem." And it's like that type of place.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Because like, I know that I'll see you again at some point. And like, you are me, in a way. When you get into a big metropolitan city, people start talking faster. People start walking faster. People start bumping into each other. It's like, "I don't have time to apologize. And they're gonna see the person again. Screw 'em."

• 39:14Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  What that ends up doing is it reflects back on yourself, I think, as well. And probably, you know, would make you feel a little bit more like alone in the world. That's a little bit of like presumption and projection. But I would think, being in a place where you feel like the safety of the whole entire community in town, where it's like you have the time and space. If I say hello to somebody, I actually want to connect with you. I want to like feel you. And then we'll get into whatever we're doing. Compared to like, "I want to check you for weapons."

• 39:41Codie Sanchez?

  Come on, that's true. Well, these days too, I feel like I have to ask like, are you a hugger? You know, I'm like,

• 39:48Speaker 01

  That's what I do. I say, are you a hugger?

• 39:49Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  And then I say, are you a lung hugger?

• 39:52Codie Sanchez?

  No, you don't. With the eyebrow raise, I have botox. I don't think you can do it like that. I don't know. You know, you're a good looking tall dude. I'm sure that works out for you many times.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  I've received that.

• 40:01Codie Sanchez?

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• 40:45Codie Sanchez?

  of all yourself. Go to domainmoney.com/codysanchez to book your free strategy session today. So I was reading something from Brian Johnson the other day, and he was saying that poor posture is killing us. And also that bad posture makes less people want to have sex with us. Is that true?

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Well, the bad posture, well, and it's not a moralistic thing. It's just what are the results that you're seeking? So if you put like a moralistic judgment on something, you'll probably put yourself into a double bind and you'll create like this feeling of like guilt and resistance and all that stuff. So it's like another energy of contraction will actually perpetuate disadvantageous posture.

• 41:22Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  You know, so if what your intention is to allow your body to circulate all of the vital fluids and open up the nervous system to be able to conduct itself and send signals efficiently. And to allow yourself to be in a place of balance and allow your central nervous system, i.e. your spine, to be able to, again, some like nervous system, be able to convey that information from the guts and, you know, the rest of the body and the skin, all that stuff, to the brain and vice versa. You'd really want to clear those channels and open up space, and the way you would do that would be by creating balance or neutrality. And so if the neck is chronically in that like jutting forward position, you're crimping

• 42:08Speaker 01

  off. This is like, it's like a main super highway. It's the confluence of all of, you know, it's your brain trying to reach down and send and receive information. Eighty percent of the information from your vagus nerve, which innervates all of the organs for the most part, is actually coming from the organs to the brain. So you're receiving a tremendous amount of information from the body to the brain. You're not just brain-based, you're very body-based. Every person is a thinking body. They're a thinking, feeling body, like a sentient body. You need to innervate and aliven the body in order to support the function of the brain. Dance, there was, there was research done from Albert Einstein Medical College that they were measuring which type of activity would be the most effective for staving off

• 42:53Speaker 01

  cognitive decline, and they found by far, dance to music with a partner is the best thing a person could possibly do to stave off cognitive decline.

• 43:01Codie Sanchez?

  Well, Latinas get it, huh?

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, they get it.

• 43:03Codie Sanchez?

  I liked the dance move because one time I saw you do some crazy shit on Instagram, which was you, a stripper pole, dance moves.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  Oh, did you see that? I don't even know where that was.

• 43:15Codie Sanchez?

  You don't?

• 43:16Speaker 01

  That was a while ago.

• 43:16Codie Sanchez?

  Is that, is that part of the dance that you do?

• 43:19Speaker 01

  I'm a big stripper guy, yeah.

• 43:20Codie Sanchez?

  Really?

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was actually a burlesque dancer.

• 43:23Codie Sanchez?

  What? Like, for an audience?

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:26Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, tell me about that. Tell me about that.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  It wasn't perfect. I think I maybe, I think I earned forty dollars.

• 43:34Codie Sanchez?

  You killed it. Number one burlesque in the country.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  But I invested in Bitcoin.

• 43:39Codie Sanchez?

  So now you're rich and moving to Miami. It's all tracks. Interesting. So why the stripper pull? Or is that just something you think is fun because you're strong? So you could like lift yourself up?

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Stripper pulls are awesome. Any form of dance is amazing. Dance is one of the best ways to circulate in an abstract way. So what happens is people end up, and you're also connecting your body to rhythm, which is a whole nother element of cognitive connection. So if you're just going to the gym and you're like struggling through bicep curls and tricep extensions, it's great. Like metabolically, you're having an effect and you're releasing more BDNF. It's like the miracle growth for the brain and neurons and all that stuff. And you know, you're circulating blood and you know, you're releasing endorphins and like all this like feel-good stuff. But it's still kind of like dumb. You know, so you're just pumping the system.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  You know, so it's kind of like sometimes if I don't have time with the dog, I'll just take her for a run on my bike and we'll just run for a while until she gets tired. That's one version of exercise and movement to like get out the stuff within the dog. Then there's another version where she can actually go out and she's like in a field and she's chasing squirrels and she's abounding, you know, over limbs and logs and all that stuff. Or we're like training her, you know, and that's turning on all of these other gears within herself. Dance is one of those amazing things where it's like this shotgun. It's like this perfect electrical storm of all the information that your body needs to grow and thrive.

• 45:10Codie Sanchez?

  So Zumba in.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  All of it. Any form of dance I think is fantastic. If I had one like movement modality, practice or whatever that I could do for the rest of my life, it would be having access to all the forms of dance and probably like calisthenics.

• 45:22Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Resistance training really important for bone density, but if you're doing dance, you know, I would cheat and say, well, I can pick people up.

• 45:28Codie Sanchez?

  But you're pretty buff. Is the way that you get strong dance or do you have to lift heavy weights?

• 45:33Speaker 01

  No, I do all the things.

• 45:34Codie Sanchez?

  All of them. Okay, yeah. Now, what about, we were talking about posture, but where I wanted to really get to is your work setup.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:43Codie Sanchez?

  The way that, you know, in your mind,

• 45:45Speaker 01

  This is good.

• 45:45Codie Sanchez?

  A perfect desk work setup, what does it actually look like?

• 45:48Speaker 01

  There's a company, technically. I think I might be an owner, a part owner of them, which you like, but it's a very small percentage, so it wouldn't affect me at all.

• 45:57Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, we need to work on your distributions.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:59Codie Sanchez?

  Like technically I might-

• 46:00Speaker 01

  We did a thing, but I think it was a pretty, I don't think it was like a major thing. We were like in conversation with him, but the company, I'm not saying this because of that, but the company's called Appeal Design is the name. I have one in my house. And it's a sit-rise desk, so it goes all the way to the ground and all the way up-

• 46:17Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  -to standing. So that's really great. So the solution of like the standing desk is still a pretty sedentary position and you're still like pooling all of your fluids and lymph and all the different things down to your lower body. So if you could sit on the ground, which I know is like absolutely insane for some people, except for like every healthy country across the planet forever. Like so the places in the world that spend time on the ground with regularity, where it's just normal, they have minimal to no incidence of osteoarthritis in the hips and the knees, pelvic floor dysfunction is like not so much a thing. Fall risk is the number one leading reason for elderly needing assisted living. And if you are getting up and down off the ground with regularity, like evolution or God or whatever your belief system designed you to do,

• 47:01Speaker 01

  none of that is a thing. Like we're just failing our bodies. We're just like forgetting about our bodies. And it's so easy to go back to some of those like quote unquote like ancestrals. It's not ancestral, it's just, it's just like being a human. And so it's, I think it's weird when the idea of a person being able to like get up and down off of the ground is like a thing. That just to me indicates how far off we are and how like far gone it's like holy, we really need to turn this thing around because it's, that's like, that's not okay. And so, and so, so within that, when you're on the ground, like digestion is better, there's more blood, you know, it's closer to your heart, it's easier for circulation. So something that I would recommend would be setting up your workstation. One, if it is a standing desk, then get yourself some different tools so you can change your hip positions.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  So get yourself like, you can be literally anything, a ball, a rock, you know, some like, anything, a stool, so you can take your sacrum in your lower back in and out of extension. So you can raise a leg up, put yourself in a flexion on that side. And just kind of like oscillate and like pumping the sacrum is very important and also pumping the knees and ankles. If you can get all the way down on the ground, I'd recommend, and I won't go too long in this because it probably gets boring at some point, but I would recommend raising your hips up above the height of the knees, get yourself like a big floor cushion of some sort, meditation cushion, whatever the thing is, stack some pillows up, make sure your hips are up above the height of your knees. So if you put a ball on your thigh, it would roll down toward the knee. If you're doing that, that's going to set the pelvic floor and the lumbar spine up for stability.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  You can like stack on itself. You want a subtle tilt anteriorly, so you can be on the front of the bones on the bottom of your butt. It's called the ischial tuberosities. So you want to be able to sit, boom, like plug those bones bam into the ground. Think of it almost like a socket, like a male end going into the female end of a socket. Those bones are kind of like the two prongs and the socket is kind of like the ground. And so if I go and I fold my male end of that, I go in, I'm kind of like, oh, I can't get conductivity in there. There's all sorts of like eastern esoteric stuff that suggests that it's like connects your energy and all that stuff through your body, which is true.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  It's just, I don't think it's so valuable to talk about it in certain rooms. So it's easier to talk about like the structural stuff. So, but what that's doing is it's balancing your lumbar spine, your lower back. So you can actually hold weight through your shoulders. So ideally you're practicing a position through a good chunk of the day, that if someone put their, their hands on your shoulders, or you put like a 50 pound weight on your shoulders, you'd be like, no problem. If you're doing that, it's such a massive hack because now you are, you're starting to turn your like fitness into just who you are. Right, so the way that you think about business, you walk into a tea shop, or you have your, I read your book, so if you have your house cleaner come to your house,

• 49:55Speaker 01

  you, just who you are is business. Like, who you are is an owner. You've identified with that. It's become a part of who you are, which is why it's like intoxicating to be around you in some ways. Because you're like, oh my god, like, that energy, like, people want that.

• 50:07Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  That's why you're so successful. Yeah. And so, what I do, or what I'm attempting to do with, you know, anybody that comes in contact, really is like, starting to reshape our perception, really very similar to the way you are, of fitness not being a thing that we do, but it's just who you are all the time. So when your house cleaner comes, just who you are as a person, you're like, how could I optimize this? How could we get, you know, involved? Is there some way that we can expand this and like, we can be like a mutual win for us? It's just who, it's just how you see the world.

• 50:38Codie Sanchez?

  You are like that, too. Like, I remember when we worked out, one, I start getting better posture because I see you over here. So I'm like, oh shit, I gotta sit up straight, too.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Sitting up straight can be a problem.

• 50:49Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, no.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Because you can add tension to the body. Anyways.

• 50:51Codie Sanchez?

  I guess that probably makes sense.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:53Codie Sanchez?

  I probably don't need more of that.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  We need to, we need to make a roadmap, which is why I, you know, wrote the book, do the programs, do all the different things, so that a person can realign, reorient their body in such a way that they actually relax into alignment. They relax into success. You're not trying to be successful, you are successful.

• 51:15Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting. Couple other things that you do that I thought was interesting. It's not just the floor and the movement with your work setup, but you also have some thoughts on inside versus outside. You have some thoughts on like, other things that you structure a day that is like, healthy for Aaron. Can you talk about some of those?

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, sunlight is like the, it's like the energy currency for your body. It's what stimulates your mitochondria and stimulates ATP, and it's helpful for skin health, and it's helpful for libido, and it's helpful for mood, and it's, it's like, it's like you're pouring, you're like plugging the gas pump into your car by just exposing yourself to the frequencies of the sun. There's nothing new agey or spiritual about it at all. It's just science, it's just the way that it is. And even when you're eating food, much of what you're getting from the food is you're getting the energy from the sun in the form of something that you can chew on. But what the hell is an apple doing all day long for, you know, however long it takes for an apple to become an apple? Like, it's just absorbing through photosynthesis the energy from the sun to turn into this

• 52:16Speaker 01

  red thing that you consume, that you're pretty much just eating sun.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  I'm like, what? Sun and water is what you're eating. And, you know, the nutrients from the soil. You know, but what causes that apple to grow? Without the sun, it's not gonna do anything. You know, so, so thinking of the sun as actually a tangible, objective, like nutrient that you're consuming, I think is a really valuable reframe. One of the biggest issues in, in the world, well, sun against the eyes is really important as well, but allowing your eyes to be able to relax and take in the panorama is incredibly important as well. You've heard, I know you're a fan of Huberman, he's a sweet dude. He's, one of the things that I learned from him that is just, is just, you know, the reality is that your eyes are neurological tissue, you know, they're a continuation of your brain. I would suggest your whole entire body is a continuation of the brain, there's no separation, that's all story.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  But your eyes, when they are going into a panoramic view, i.e. they're like they're taking in the whole room, you're kind of like just spacing out, that is sending a signal to your autonomic nervous system that it's safe to be calm. So you'll probably notice if you, if your eyes relax, you look up into the clouds, you look up into the trees, you're just taking a brisk walk, you know, and you're just kind of taking it all in. You will probably notice, you'll calm down, you'll probably notice exhalations get a little bit longer, you'll probably notice maybe your pacing or language slows down a little bit, you're just kind of like, ah. When you're up close and you're looking into a screen, and then you look five feet out to a wall, and then you look eight feet out to a wall, and then you look back to a screen, and then you're getting non-native, artificial frequencies from these lights all day long,

• 53:50Speaker 01

  which is a very small bandwidth of the actual frequencies of light that you'd be getting from the sun. Even though it feels bright in here, the actual lumens, it's a measurement of light that's being produced by these guys, is like a minuscule fraction of what you would get even on a cloudy day in the sun. So the amount of energy that you're getting by just being outside is a And then also you're allowing the fitness of your visual muscles to be able to go through a full range of motion, which in a way is almost like an exercise or a workout for your nervous system. So if you can oscillate in and out of myopic focused vision into panoramic, that is much like what you would do every time you inhale and exhale. When you inhale, it's more sympathetic, you're hyped up a little bit. When you exhale, you're parasympathetic.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  We go through these oscillations all day long. When you get stuck in myopia, you're stuck in contraction, muscles in your eyes, ciliary muscles, among other things, they contract in order to refract that light. It's actually, you're actually contracting muscles in your eyes in order to be able to look at things up close. You're actually relaxing muscles in your eyes in order to be able to take in the whole view. So it's actually muscular contraction. It's like engagement to just be in a, inside of a room.

• 55:02Codie Sanchez?

  Fascinating. You know, one of the other things that I didn't realize was that I was looking up studies on how many Americans have chronic knee pain. Forty million Americans have chronic knee pain. My husband actually used one of your programs to help with his knees and the pain that he has there. My dad has like, I don't know, I think he's had like two knee replacements, maybe even gone in for a third one for something that went wrong. Talk to us about, first of all, why are Americans' knees so fucked up? And then how would one even start to think about going and fixing that? And I know you have programs that help people with that.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, one of the big, one of the big things, and so Ben Patrick, who, it'd be great for you to talk to him at some point because he's, you know, he's amazing in the realm of business. He repopularized, thankfully, he wasn't the first one, but brought it into more like common, you know, popular conversation of the value of getting your knees over your toes. You know, so that came from. Some pretty not great, I was gonna say like bunk research, but not great research. It's accurate and the suggestion is when you put your knees over toes, you're putting more stress on the knees. But stress on the body is what causes hormesis and causes like the body to respond and get stronger. And so that would be something that would be of value is a person not having fear

• 56:20Speaker 01

  of taking the knees through a broader range of motion, kinda like the sun. If you're afraid of the sun, you'll probably get sick. If you're afraid of any aspect of yourself, like if you're afraid of yourself, it is getting a little bit, you know, maybe a little bit too esoteric. But to be afraid of those different ranges of motion will end up atrophying those ranges of motion. And so that would be something that would be a really major thing, like just squatting down on the ground. You're taking your body through a more fuller range of motion. So if you could spend some time in a deep squat, you are going to be compressing all those connective tissues and kinda like realigning the connective tissues just by the passive process of going through, you know, a squat. If you're going through a lunge, if you're spending some time floor sitting, you know, you're crossing your legs, it's kind of like two pigeon poses on both of your legs. So you're getting external rotation on each side.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  You could go through a 90/90 position. Now you're going medial rotation on one of the sides and external rotation on the other side, switching to the other side. You're just taking all of that connective tissue through a broad range of motion so it can stay hydrated and stay healthy and stay responsive. When the system starts to become disengaged just from lack of movement, that's when the system becomes dangerous. When the system's dangerous, it would rightfully so, will probably start sending a signal of pain to say like, "Don't do this. Like, I don't trust you anymore." So that would be something that would be supportive, would just be taking the knees, like, don't be afraid to take the knees through a broader range of motion. And then the other thing, you know, the knees could be like, just like the whipping boy between the hips and the feet.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  So the feet are so brilliantly complex, you know, and so they have, what is it, it's like 33 joints, 26 bones, I believe. There's like 7,000 plus nerve endings in each foot. Like, they're so complex, you know, and so they just want to feel and sense the world because they're sending information to the rest of your body of what the heck's happening, like, since the beginning of ever. Until now, we are in shoes, which I don't like your shoes, by the way.

• 58:15Codie Sanchez?

  And I don't like my shoes either.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  I love your shoes for you sitting on that chair.

• 58:21Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  I love them.

• 58:23Codie Sanchez?

  That's really only what women's shoes are for.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  I love your shoes.

• 58:26Codie Sanchez?

  I at least don't wear stilettos.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  That's fine. I love your shoes for 45 minutes at a dinner thing.

• 58:32Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  I love your shoes for walking from point A to point B to get a photo. And then you take them off, you know, and you hang out.

• 58:39Codie Sanchez?

  I should have had.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  And give them a little foot massage.

• 58:40Codie Sanchez?

  I'm usually barefoot in there. I should have known for you.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  I love all of the, I love all of, like, there's no style that I don't like in a temporary state. But if it becomes chronic, that's when you really are probably shooting yourself in the foot and.

• 58:56Codie Sanchez?

  Let me give it to you. Let me give it to you. Okay. This is good. This is good.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  And then you're going to be whacking all these moles, doing all this crap. When like, the foundation of where your whole entire body rests upon is being, is being compromised. You know, so that would be if a person is experiencing knee pain, and I was treating them. The first thing I would do would be work with their feet, like, bar none hands down. And then from there, we go through like, and then I'd work with their hips and see what's the alignment of their hips. And then from there, we go through movement patterning.

• 59:33Codie Sanchez?

  So do you think we should be barefoot more often?

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Yes. Like, duh.

• 59:39Codie Sanchez?

  Like, how much? How often?

• 59:41Speaker 01

  As much as you can do. I'm getting so mad.

• 59:45Codie Sanchez?

  I see some viral moments right here. Yes. No shoe club.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, no shoe. Yeah, just, just, you know, whatever, baby steps.

• 59:54Codie Sanchez?

  Yep. You got two. You got two. Wait, so are you, you go on an airplane?

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:02Codie Sanchez?

  Do you take your shoes off on the airplane?

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, man, you don't stick it in between.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  My shoes are off so much, my feet don't smell bad.

• 1:00:11Codie Sanchez?

  This sounds like man math. This sounds like boy math right there.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  I'm mansplaining footsting.

• 1:00:16Codie Sanchez?

  But I guess that's probably true. They're not getting strained.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  It's true. I want to get my shoe off because I don't want it to smell bad.

• 1:00:22Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting. Wait, I want to play a game. Okay? The game is, do you think you can tell if a guy is an alpha or a beta by their body language?

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, and let's do it with some celebrities. How about this game?

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:00:35Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, ready?

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  I'd have to see them because I'm not good with pop culture.

• 1:00:37Codie Sanchez?

  You think I don't have a photo of you? Yeah.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  All right, cool, cool.

• 1:00:39Codie Sanchez?

  Okay. How about Harry, Prince Harry, Meghan Markle?

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Oh my God, Beta.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, the girl's super alpha in this photo.

• 1:00:50Codie Sanchez?

  Super alpha.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's like, she's like her like poodle. Like, just protect me.

• 1:00:56Codie Sanchez?

  Kind of looks like that.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, what about, what about Will Smith, Jada Pinkett Smith? You see that down at the bottom?

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Alpha, but trying. Yeah, so there's like, there's insecurity and so, I mean, I don't want to say because I have friends-

• 1:01:10Codie Sanchez?

  Just a photo.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever, but I would, and Will seems like a great person and I've heard from, you know, whatever, so it feels weird, you know, but what I see and could be my projection and probably coming from my own insecurities, I see like a trying.

• 1:01:23Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. What about Travis Kelsey, Taylor Swift there?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Fucking Beta. So, alpha, what we do, and I'm saying this, again, this is more projection because this is, this is, this is like my life path. A person that is, is pronounced like chest out, all that stuff, Beta. So that's a person that's, that's trying to be alpha and they feel insecure and they're trying to project out, "I can hurt you." You know, "I'm confident." A person that's truly confident, like there's a fight between, I don't know if you follow UFC, but there's like an iconic, it's like the shortest fight in the history of the UFC, between Masvidal and Ben Askren.

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• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  If you look at Masvidal's posture before that, there was no like, you know, Conor McGregor, like Machismo, you know, any of that stuff. It was he's sitting back on the cage, hands behind his back, ribs down, shoulders kind of relaxed. He's like actually like well stacked in his body. He's not crunching over like tech neck. He's just stacked and aligned, but relaxed in his body. Bell rings, three steps, flying knee into the face and the fight's over. That's alpha shit.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  And so that would be how I would describe like the epitome of alpha posture.

• 1:03:53Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, you know what's interesting, just given how, you know, Chris's background and like on Sunday, we were with a group of, you know, very, as Chris would say, very violent, dangerous men. And what's interesting is-

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  They're the nicest.

• 1:04:07Codie Sanchez?

  They're the nicest?

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Codie Sanchez?

  They're the quietest.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, they don't have anything to prove.

• 1:04:11Codie Sanchez?

  They're the calmest. And often, if I wasn't sort of familiar with what to look for, because I've been with Chris for so long now, I would have never known.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's alpha.

• 1:04:21Codie Sanchez?

  And that-

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Alpha is in a train.

• 1:04:22Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it doesn't, but you know, there were a few moments, like I remember talking to one of the generals and, you know, and I was asking some intense questions about the army and what's happening here and how do we think about this and why, why should we have trust in these instances? And he was incredibly kind and calm in a way that I wouldn't have imagined. But I could tell, like, I don't even know what the body movement was. But I could tell there was like, there was a movement where he was like, "I don't like that question," but proceeded to like very kindly ask. But it was in that moment too, I was like, "Oh, don't forget, this motherfucker's tough." You know, he's, he's been through it. And even though he's being very kind and nice, there are like little moments where you can see through. You're like, "Oh, thankfully, society is the way that it is."

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's why you can't, it's really hard to like fake stability and safety in a relationship. And that's why oftentimes relationship, I know I'm like going like a tangent, but I think that a lot of this stuff comes to the surface with like polarity dynamics in a relationship. And it's very hard for a person to like try- To be more safe or try to be more stable or try to be more like trustworthy or try like whatever those things. Because it's it's actually an intrinsic nervous system thing. It's like so much deeper for you to have that depth of calmness and ease that like quiet strength. That just comes from you doing hard shit and you knowing who the fuck you are. And if you don't, because you just it's not a bad thing. It's not like you are forever beta or beta is even beta is really important to have in society.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  There's no like, you know, right, wrong, bad, good. Without beta, there's no alpha. You know, so it's like even beta is like, it's great, like play beta every now and again. And that would be the ideal situation is, and that's just the reality of most things. Most people are not permanently alpha. They're alpha for a while and then they're beta for a little bit and then they're alpha for a while. That would be like a good teammate.

• 1:06:11Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  So if I'm alpha, but now suddenly I'm with my football coach. And I shouldn't be like alpha machismo guy. It's actually, oh, no, like he's the leader. And then we break off from the coach and I go out now I'm the leader.

• 1:06:24Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  So that would be good. I would presume like any team dynamic to be able to have that. It's the same thing like the fluctuation of being able to to move through body language. And it's how you create rapport and respect.

• 1:06:35Codie Sanchez?

  Right, because a beta and in some instances might just mean number two. It might just it could be an incredibly strong warrior type human, but just in the second position.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And he's and a person could be so strong that they're comfortable and confident in the number two or number three or whatever position. Because what I care about is the team. I'm not living this solipistic life where it's just about me and I have no awareness or consideration of those around me. That's how you lose. And so right now, what does the team need? Oh, the team needs somebody to be funny. Room's too heavy, you know, like I'm gonna start cracking jokes. I'm like typically like I could kill people. I can get shit done. Everybody's in this tense place like I'm gonna be the jester. There's no jester here. Okay, there's just a bunch of jesters here. We need to get our shit together. All right, I'm gonna be the leader. I'm gonna be the alpha. I'm gonna be ahead of the spear.

• 1:07:25Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, and because you're a big guy, I've found often you do use jokes to lighten the load.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  You think because I'm a big guy I do that?

• 1:07:33Codie Sanchez?

  I don't know, maybe. I think because you could be perceived as like serious or like strong, or if you came in and my team, you know, if you just walked in and were like, "Hi, I'm Aaron. Hello, everybody. Yes, I'm ready to go." You walked in with a fucking 45-pound kettlebell, and if you weren't making jokes, that would be weird. You know, and a schmedium, sure. So like...

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  It's just fresh out of the dryer.

• 1:07:55Codie Sanchez?

  I'm sure you are also very playful, but I think that probably helps, right? Chris is the same way. He's very, he laughs a lot and he's always the funny one.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, it's like the anti-Napoleon complex. It's like, let's lighten up a little bit. It really is fine.

• 1:08:10Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I want to talk a little bit about, I want to talk about sleep. Like, you know, I think people today, obviously, we're having a hard time sleeping. That's really common. It happens a lot to women, especially, I keep hearing, as we get older, it happens to women. After we have kids, a lot of my friends that are women that have kids that are fit, they're healthy in all the ways that you might perceive externally if you're normal, but they want that like sleeping beauty, blacked out, can't hear anything, deep kind of sleep. And it's escaping them. Like, what do you do to sleep well?

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  Well, again, I'm not the sleep guy, but I talk to a lot of sleep guys and, you know, I'm very interested in myself and I've done, you know, a decent amount of research on it. And I sleep okay. Not always so. I mean, sleep for me, the biggest thing that modulates my sleep is how safe I feel in my life and how much certainty I have. When I feel like I have certainty in my life, I sleep like a baby. When things get, like, lifted off the ground, I'm like, "Oh my God, what are we gonna do?" You know, or I'm worried about a relationship thing. Relationships are probably the main thing that causes me to...

• 1:09:13Codie Sanchez?

  Like intimate relationships?

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, if there's like, that's something which probably like illuminates some kind of like emotional codependency type thing that I have, where it's like my co-regulation with the person that I'm with. If we're like off, I kind of go into this place of like, "This must be fixed." You know, and if it's not fixed, I'm like, "Oh."

• 1:09:32Codie Sanchez?

  You can't sleep and that's what gets you.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  That's one of the things that get me.

• 1:09:35Codie Sanchez?

  That's very vulnerable.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, but so I think all of the stuff aside, like we do so much. I think it's just like minutia, you know, of like our hacks and it's just a bunch of nerds. You know, just like watching too many Tik Tok videos and, you know, reading too many.

• 1:09:53Codie Sanchez?

  Brian Johnson blueprint tattooed on the upper thigh.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  It's so dumb. It's so dumb. Like if you feel safe, if you feel loved, if you have like joie de vivre, you're looking forward to your day tomorrow. You had a great day where you feel gratified and you feel like you exhausted yourself in the best possible way. You probably sleep really good.

• 1:10:14Codie Sanchez?

  Yep.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:10:16Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, and you don't need 47 pounds of magnesium followed by a bath on top of.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  So that's the foundation that I don't think enough people are talking about. Because I don't know, there's not a lot to sell in that for one thing. And you don't sound that smart. You sound wise, but you don't sound that smart. And so like I think there's like an energy towards like, I want to sound smart, you know? And so with, I think there's probably a lot of that where we hear a lot of these information. And we're also, it's not just I want to sound smart. We're looking for simple solutions, but we don't want to do the work.

• 1:10:47Codie Sanchez?

  Well, you actually have a line that I loved, which was that you said, avoid modifying your neural chemistry from the inside with medication, rather alter your environment from the outside to produce the results you want.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Oh, it's cool.

• 1:11:01Codie Sanchez?

  Did you like that quote?

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  It's nice. It's a little too, it's a little too pedantic.

• 1:11:05Codie Sanchez?

  Okay. Well, what do you mean by that? What would you mean today by it?

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  It's accurate. So it would be like, it would be like cellular biology. I did a podcast with a guy called Bruce Lipton. He wrote the Biology of Belief. He like popularized epigenetics.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  And in that, in our podcast conversation, people could even, even listen to it. He, one of the things that I remember him mentioning to me, and he also mentions in his book is if you want to change a cell in a Petri dish, you don't do anything to the cell. You change the, the culture that it resides within.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  That's a big deal. So we're trying to do all of these different things to like change our cells. Meanwhile, we're in a quote unquote like, you know, toxic or, you know, maladaptive is probably a better, better word, maladapted environment. And we can take all the supplements we want. We can wear all the blue blocking glasses, what we want. We can do all the different grounding mats and, you know, cool our bed and all that stuff. Uh, well, actually, no, I actually kind of disagree with myself. Those, those, some of those would be examples of changing the environment. So I do align with like changing the light, for example. So that would be an example of the, the Petri dish that you exist in. You are existing in the culture of the light that you're being exposed to.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  So that light, refer to Huberman or somebody else other than me to go like much deeper into that stuff. But something that's interesting, the, the frequencies of these lights, they're plugged into an alternating current system instead of a direct current like the sun. And so these are actually, it looks like they're just on, but they're actually flipping like a strobe so fast, you can't see that it's strobing. Right? So that's a little bit, yeah, when you look up at it, what did your body do?

• 1:12:45Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it doesn't like it.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  It doesn't like it.

• 1:12:47Codie Sanchez?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  You don't want that when you're going to bed.

• 1:12:50Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Pretty simple.

• 1:12:55Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you want ideally turn all that off and go back to like, it's like, things are so like, moronically simple. It's like, go back to what nature would do and introduce nature into your life. If it's nighttime and it was pre Edison or Tesla or whatever that race was like, and the light bulb didn't manifest in 18, whenever that was. What was the year of the light bulb?

• 1:13:22Codie Sanchez?

  I have no idea.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  I don't know, whatever.

• 1:13:23Codie Sanchez?

  No public mass.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Let's call it 1876.

• 1:13:24Codie Sanchez?

  Somebody will tell us in the YouTube comments and tell us how dumb we are.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  So it was like 120 some years ago, 40 years ago. I don't know. It might be like way off.

• 1:13:34Codie Sanchez?

  I'm pretty sure our parents had electricity.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Around that, yeah. So, but before that, when the sun goes down, you get no blue lights. It's, it's done. Forever.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  And now suddenly, everybody's getting sick. Everybody's getting fat, everybody's getting anxious. And it's like progressively, it's like like this hockey stick into illness. Meanwhile, we have access to all of the health stuff we could possibly have, but it's all minutia. Because you're not accessing like the wisdom of nature. Which you sound like a heretic, like a crazy person to say some crazy shit like nature is really soothing and healing for the body. You're like, sell me a supplement, baby. It's like, just go outside. And when you're inside, do inside more like you would have done in nature, like when people were healthy.

• 1:14:33Codie Sanchez?

  You're right, you can't sell anybody with that. Okay, I want to end with two things here. Which is, um, one, you, I want to like, I want to do, I want to talk about this for a second.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:14:45Codie Sanchez?

  So this is your company, and you showed me how to use a bunch of this stuff before. But, um, you travel all over the place. You don't have a ton of things that you have to have. If you were gonna travel without a ton of things, what would you have? Is this some of the stuff you would have?

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I bring resistance bands everywhere I go. Yeah, that's an authentic thing. Yeah, so this, so this, the, um, this is the, the strength kit. So we call it strength kit because it just has a bunch of bands, you can do a bunch of different things with it. And with this, what's nice about it, it has a, a door anchor. So you can attach the bands to the door anchor, very simply. And then you would plug the door, or plug the, the anchor up to the door. And then one of the things I really love to do with it is just-

• 1:15:24Codie Sanchez?

  Oh god, I haven't used that this way before. This is smart.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  It's super smart, yeah. Yeah, so I'll use it mainly for joint mobilizations, less than exercise stuff. I do, I do the other ones for like, you know, assisted pull-ups and dips and different types of, of training like that. But the main thing, I'm very lazy. Uh, and so the main thing that I use the Align Band System for is for mobilizations and also breathing. So something you could do, tie the, the, the door anchor up to the top of the door, put the band in there, and then wrap it around your hips, and then just like walk away from the door. Stretch yourself out, open up, go into like a little down dog, open things up. Use it as a feedback mechanism. It's kind of like body work. So press the band up against different parts in your body where you might feel tension. Use your breath to connect with that band. Stretch yourself open, go through just different mobilizations to create some hydration in those parts of your body.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Do it around the shoulder. If your shoulders are chronic, like me either rotated, protracted, all that stuff is not pretty. You're not gonna, you know, like have sex a lot like Brian Johnson says. Use the band to pull that shoulder back. And then you can start to stretch open the neck. You could go through different ranges of motion. You could do penis stretching and you could do contract, you know, contract relax. You can do, you know, all these different techniques, which whatever. But just the band stretching yourself out and just going through whatever it feels intuitively good. Just if you just do that after you get off a plane in a hotel room, anything like that. It's gonna be very, very helpful. You're opening up your lymphatic system. You're like, you know, getting your posture into a more stacked place.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  You'd be a little bit more confident. There's all like the Amy Cuddy research. You know about Amy Cuddy? Harvard stuff.

• 1:16:59Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, but what was-

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Superwoman pose.

• 1:17:01Codie Sanchez?

  Right, the power poses.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Power poses.

• 1:17:03Codie Sanchez?

  Right, I remember that. I was just standing on the desk and the hands at the hips and the, it actually, it does work for sure.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  It does work. Yeah, so you can, so you can use resistance bands. My favorite thing to use resistance bands for by far is mobilization. And so mobilization is something where we're just generally compressed in our bodies. So throw the door anchor up into the door, put a band in there and just decompress all of your joints. Put in your elbow, put in your wrist, step away from it, decompress the whole, that whole chain from the hand up into the bicep, up into the pecs. It's very good. Do it in your ankles. So many people have limited dorsiflex in their ankles. Throw the band down low, put the band around your ankle, step away, put yourself into like a little lunge runner stretch. And just start to go through a little bit of range of motion with the ankle while you're tractioning and opening up some space with the band.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  It's so brilliant and easy and effective. It's just like, uh, it's very important that people do, do things like that.

• 1:17:54Codie Sanchez?

  You know what's wild too is I never realized how many of the most jacked guys I know all are super into stretching. There's like just a jacked man's stretch club. My husband's a part of it too, but like every night, just stretching like a motherfucker, that guy.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, that's a person who is just healthy. They're just-

• 1:18:11Codie Sanchez?

  They're normal. The rest of them-

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  Weird. Seventy percent of people are over, seventy percent, seventy-five percent?

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Overweight. Forty percent of people are obese.

• 1:18:24Codie Sanchez?

  How sad is that?

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  It's more irate, it's, you're so weird to be like, have any monicum of health in your day to day life. It's so strange. Like, it's crazy.

• 1:18:37Codie Sanchez?

  And yet, uh, we are, we have more gyms than ever.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:42Codie Sanchez?

  We have more health centers than ever.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  It's not the things.

• 1:18:44Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I remember we were living in DC and, uh, there was, there were these signs all over the city that went up one day. And it was like, uh, healthiest, the health, the fittest city in America. Chris and I looked around because we moved from San Diego. We're like, I'm no scientist. The fuck this is, this place, people do not look fit at all. So I was just like, well, I want to see, what's this study look like?

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:06Codie Sanchez?

  Go and look at the study and it is, uh, number of gyms per capita. That's how they're measuring fitness.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, so they're like, super fit for like, January?

• 1:19:15Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, exactly. Or they just have not very many people in the actual DC metro area during the day. Uh, I'm sorry, during the night. And then like, two million people, it has the highest fluctuation of any city in the country. So like, two million people coming from all the other places to the center of capital, and the center of power in, in the US. Um, and then they leave. So there's a lot of gyms there because some people might go around, they fuck around during the day there. But, uh, it's not actually like the population of DC itself uses the gyms with consistency.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Codie Sanchez?

  And so, um, yeah, you know, I think studies are always something to look carefully at. I want to end with one, uh, random question I'm super curious about from people lately.

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  You're asking about butthole sunning, aren't you?

• 1:19:54Codie Sanchez?

  Oh fuck, I forgot about that. I forgot about that. Also, yes, I, yes, I am. Perineum sunning, which is an Austonian thing. Yeah, you told me you do, you do that? No. Do you want to talk about it publicly?

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  I would like to. I'm open to it. I've done it.

• 1:20:12Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  I don't see a lot of data that would suggest that it has like, a significant effect.

• 1:20:17Codie Sanchez?

  You know, the first time I saw that.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  The balls.

• 1:20:20Codie Sanchez?

  Do.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:20:22Codie Sanchez?

  You should sun your...

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Balls.

• 1:20:24Codie Sanchez?

  Thanks for filling that in. I really, I don't need that on the internet, you know?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  The lighting cells, which produce something like, uh, like, the most testosterone, ninety some percent of testosterone in your body.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  Are in the testicles. And sun, the infrared rays, they penetrate quite deeply. I forget how many centimeters, but it's quite deep. That's why you get like an infrared light. It's a common thing.

• 1:20:47Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  You know, people put infrared light on their nuts and, you know, whatever, anywhere. It's good for, it's good for collagen synthesis.

• 1:20:53Codie Sanchez?

  Yes.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  A few people.

• 1:20:58Codie Sanchez?

  Oh, I've seen you do this on your Instagram, not actually seeing you.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, you're right.

• 1:21:03Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  Sometimes I'll post clips of me naked, but you don't.

• 1:21:06Codie Sanchez?

  It's covered.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  I put like a smiley face.

• 1:21:08Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, I think that's a really healthy thing to do.

• 1:21:11Codie Sanchez?

  Interesting. It helps with fertility.

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  There's some loose research around it that was done with rats specifically that suggests that it's, it, it did increase testosterone levels with the rats in like a, you know, a statistically significant way, but I don't know of any research with humans. But again, a lot of things to me, I like, trust my intuition.

• 1:21:33Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  Like, there's so many fads of things. Like, I don't care that much what people are saying when something feels good. And, and, and so keto is popular, carnivore is popular, vegan is popular, pescatarian is popular, Mediterranean is popular, ketones, you know, like all the different things. It changes all the time. And so we're waiting for daddy or mommy to tell us what to do with our health or like telling us how to be. And I lean towards intuitively, like I say the word intuitive, which makes me, you know, maybe to some people I like it, maybe to some people it's like, okay, stop listening to that person because I don't care about your intuition, which I respect that as well because it's a, you know, like N of one thing.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  But I would, I would invite people to disregard my intuition and tap into theirs.

• 1:22:26Codie Sanchez?

  I like that.

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:27Codie Sanchez?

  I want to end with, because I'm building out my reading list.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:22:30Codie Sanchez?

  What's the book you have gone back and reread again and again the most often? The one that kind of becomes a bible for you?

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  Hmm, interesting.

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  One that I've been reading, well, I think the one that's like, that I quite love a lot would be Man's Search for Meaning, Viktor Frankl. That's a really good one. I'm presently reading one that I've enjoyed quite a bit. I'm spacing the author's name right now. It's called Awareness. And it's, the author's like mega super famous. He's like one of the spiritual writer guys. But that's one that I've been enjoying quite a bit. I read a lot of like random esoteric stuff from like people that you won't know, like Moshe Feldenkrais is a person I enjoy his writing. I read stuff from other gal.

• 1:23:17Codie Sanchez?

  Why him in particular?

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• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  So this would be for specifically people that are like very nerdy about body and somatics and movement, all that stuff. He is like one of the main pioneers on somatics and somatic therapy and the way that movement affects the way that we feel and like the subtleties of movement. And so that is something that I'll go back to with some level of regularity. And, you know, I'll just pick it up every now and again, just to gather little like nuggets in there. But I wouldn't recommend that to people unless they want to be like really like nerdy in that way. I'll read stuff from Ida Rolf. Again, it was just stuff, I wouldn't recommend this to people, honestly. But these are things like, if things that I'll actually go back to regularly, those are kind of the things I'll go back to the most.

• 1:24:56Codie Sanchez?

  I love that. Aaron Alexander, Align Podcast, everywhere. The Align Method.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:04Codie Sanchez?

  Where do you like people to search for you the most? Is it YouTube these days or Instagram?

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  I mean, YouTube's of greater value. We've been putting more energy into YouTube in the last recent, so that's probably what I...

• 1:25:15Codie Sanchez?

  That's where my husband found you first and started using a bunch of your stretching way back, like, years ago, back when you were living in Venice, I think.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:25:22Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  And then, I mean, if there's one place where, so we're, I don't know when you're gonna release this, but we're, we built a program specifically around breathing. So, one of the big things that I find to be the most obnoxious in the realms of like all the different breathing programs and practices and all that stuff, or I ever go to a yoga class, or ever go to a breathwork place, or whatever, people are breathing, they're going through the different techniques, but they're not actually aware, they haven't been educated on the mechanics of how to breathe. And so, this is just like this gaping thing that I've seen for, like, any time I go to a yoga place, I'm like, "You guys, your guys' posture is in such a way that you're actually exacerbating the very state that you're coming in here to sort out." You know, so anytime you see somebody like meditating, for example, and they're like,

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  "That," I'm like, "What are you doing?" "Look, you're not doing it." And so, it's the same thing with breathing and, you know, all of that. So, we created a Align Method breathing program that will be coming out in January. I don't know when this, when this goes out.

• 1:26:22Codie Sanchez?

  I love that.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:24Codie Sanchez?

  And that'll be at AlignPodcast.com?

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  So, that'll be, so, the AlignPodcast.com/breathe will take you to the free trial of that.

• 1:26:32Codie Sanchez?

  Cool.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  So, there's a week trial with that. And then, if people want to do, we created a breathing quiz that is fun, so it takes people through what's called a Bolt Score, and then also an exhalation test, and then a few qualitative questions to rate where a person is at in their, like, breathing scale. And what's really interesting with breath is it is literally the bridge between your mind and your body. It's at the lowest portion of the brainstem, the medulla oblongata, it's why alligators are hungry.

• 1:26:58Codie Sanchez?

  Great reference. Only millennials are gonna get that one.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  It's the bridge, like anatomical bridge and figurative between the mind and the body. Everybody's been saying it for everybody, for everywhere, for all time, and everywhere, and everybody. And so it's very interesting that you can start to augment and modulate and change the way that you feel, the way that you're perceived, the way that you connect with other people, where you connect yourself, all that stuff, just through understanding the mechanics of breathing. So people take that quiz if they want as well. That's a line podcast.com slash quiz. If they want to do the breathing archetype quiz.

• 1:27:36Codie Sanchez?

  I love that.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  If they was.

• 1:27:37Codie Sanchez?

  And then is it gonna say like bad breath, bad breath, good breath?

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Pretty, pretty much, pretty much.

• 1:27:43Codie Sanchez?

  Is there like a title for like the bestest to the worstest?

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  Breath alchemist.

• 1:27:49Codie Sanchez?

  Breath, oh, okay. I cannot wait.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  And then the crappiest one is stressed survivor, which is so common. Most people are stressed survivor.

• 1:27:57Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that makes sense. Well, you know what's crazy? You should actually sell this to corporations because I was reading an OSHA survey the other day, as one does. And it was saying that 83% of OSHA covered workers during their survey responded as stressed. And that stress led to more than what was it? Was it a, I can't remember what the, um, the total dollar amount. It was either 300 million or 800 million dollars in, um, in stress related errors caused to businesses.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:28:29Codie Sanchez?

  And so even from a monetary perspective, if you have, have work that can lead to some sort of, you know, it didn't even have to be physical. It could be because you're really stressed. You're not able to properly, you know, finalize a number in a spreadsheet. And that could be a reason why you miss a huge forced air in something. And so stress has real monetary impact too.

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  You could think of your consciousness like a laser beam. And if you have a bunch of static stuff happening in the form of inflammation, in the form of you're thinking about this thing or that thing, and the form of, you know, commiserating over something or from projecting into the future or stuck in the past, like any of that stuff, or the form of pain in your back or, you know, and your breathing is perpetuating that same kind of like panic state, then your laser beam is like, it's like fractaled all over the place. You have no direction.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  If you can start to quell the literal and figurative inflammation of your consciousness and your body, it's the same thing. They're integrated. You can start to quell that. Suddenly, that laser beam starts to solidify and you can get shit done.

• 1:29:39Codie Sanchez?

  That's fascinating. Aaron Alexander, this was so good. Thank you.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  Good times. Thank you. I appreciate it. [music]