Lotus Carlton Review; 2025 Chevy Blazer Drive; Q&A

Matt Farah drove the rare and fast Lotus Carlton; he and Zack Klapman have a surprising review of their 2025 Chevy Blazer rental; the perfect Ferrari might be on BaT right now; and Patreon questions include: What brand could become as cultish as Porsche? Best car for red light / green light Bad to mediocre with a few mods 4Runner vs Land Cruiser Best investment as a cat owner Watches for your wife Favorite UK race tracks Favorite tailpipe configurations Why is Porsche out of money? Do we need a term between GT and Sports car? Inexpensive Radwood cars Will gullwing doors come back? And more! Recorded March 6, 2026 SHOW NOTES DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Fitbod Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://www. Fitbod.me/TIRE. Factor Eat smart at https://www. FactorMeals.com/tire50off and use code tire50off to get 50% off your first box, plus Free Breakfast for 1 Year. Eat like a pro this month with Factor. New subscribers only, varies by plan. 1 free breakfast item per box for 1 year while subscription is active Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:42Matt Farah?

  OfftheRecord.com/tst. Write it down, have it ready, yeah. Alright folks, on this episode of the podcast, Zach and I make preparations to go yachting. We also talk about a Lotus Carlton that I just had a chance to drive for the first time, and a Ferrari 360 that's up on Bring a Trailer right now. And we give a very thorough review of our Chevy Blazer rental car. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go! I paid all my bills with this pen yesterday and I was, it was so satisfying. This pen writes really nice.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  It's got a nice, a nice flow.

• 1:21Matt Farah?

  It's got a good nib and a good flow, and it's really like, just satisfying to look at. It's, because you know why? It's like, um, it's like inside-out glass, right? Like, remember like, like bubblers?

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:35Matt Farah?

  Like, remember when they started blowing, when you, like, you'd have a cheap one, like a cheap shitty bowl, it would be like, you could feel the texture of the decorations on the outside. And then the higher end stuff was inside-out.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:48Matt Farah?

  Where the decoration is on the inside and you have that layer of clear glass that like, magnifies it.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:55Matt Farah?

  Like a clear coat on a car, but like, better. This is that, where the decoration's on the inside, and then you have a clear layer of whatever resin, that gives it like, a depth.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, if the clear wasn't on there, it would be like, a very prickly textured thing.

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it'd be weird, yeah, it'd be strange. Pens, fucking stupid. Boy, are we idiots.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Oh, man, we love to collect things.

• 2:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, I mean, like, I don't really ever see a full collection going on with the pens, because like, but, but I like, because I, you know, like, like, I should, I should get one for Marco, because he writes all those checks.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 2:35Matt Farah?

  Like, if you're gonna fucking, if you're gonna go analog, like, go analog.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  How would you define a collection? Like, how many pens?

• 2:42Matt Farah?

  Well, it's the same as, like, a car, right?

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Four or more?

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  I think it's like, man, I think it's like a mindset. It's when you start, when you like, yeah, there's probably four or five, but then when you're like actively seeking them.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  Then it's, it's like when you start to hit the forums, when you start to look at auctions, when you start to plan your next year's California pen show experience.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Like, if you were, but if you had, if you only owned three cars at any time, but you rotated, they're all like enthusiast cars.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  And you rotated them every six months or a year. Are you a collector? Or is there a different term for someone who moves, like Art, you know, Art from Radwood and whatnot? He sells his cool car like every six months, and he's owned like 80 of them. So what is that person?

• 3:35Matt Farah?

  I don't think you're a collector. I mean, I think, I think, you know, you, to be a collector, you must have a collection.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  You must collect.

• 3:41Matt Farah?

  You must, yeah, you must act. Now, there's, I don't know how, what the death, if there is a definition of number of things that is a collection, it's probably more than three. What is, what is like the dictionary? Is there, is there a dictionary cutoff for collection? I mean, this is gonna be like, what's the definition of hypercar or supercar? Like, that's...

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Just as a group of things.

• 4:05Matt Farah?

  A group, yeah. Three, to me, isn't a group. Five, six, that becomes a group, right? Where, if you have enough of something where people start to question your sanity and motives, you probably have a collection.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  AI says a group is two or more, but the dictionary, Oxford, doesn't say that, so I'd go with Oxford.

• 4:27Matt Farah?

  Technically, a group probably is two or more.

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  But if you had, if you have two of something and refer to it as a collection, people look at you fucking side-eyed.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Right, it seems like you're boasting a little bit, or like overselling it.

• 4:42Matt Farah?

  Well, they go, "I don't think that means what you think it means."

• 4:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need a little, you need a few more, okay.

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Alright, so you have two pens, right now you're a pen enthusiast.

• 4:51Matt Farah?

  I think enthusiast, that's right, yeah.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  But when you cross over into four or five.

• 4:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, I have obviously more than two pens. But I have like, two pens that were made for the purposes of being art.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  If someone has two Priuses and three enthusiast cars, they have three cool cars. So if you have Bix and stuff in there, I'm not counting those. I'm talking about these things, maybe the one other fountain pen.

• 5:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I've got these, I've got, I think, one or two other cheapy fountain pens, and then I've got a series of ballpoint, nice ballpoint pens, either from Tactile Turn, our collab partner, or that were like, quality swag from either press launches, or like, Grand Seiko, things like that.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  Those are okay.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  You're an enthusiast right now.

• 5:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  But you're in danger.

• 5:38Matt Farah?

  If you're gonna pay bills by writing out the checks, which is old school, but I love it, then fucking, you know, get a, get a pen. Yeah. When I get to, I'm not brave enough to like, travel with this kinda thing yet, though. I'd probably lose it if I traveled with it, so.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Oh, that would be, that would be a bummer.

• 5:54Matt Farah?

  It lives on my desk.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 5:56Matt Farah?

  That was, my dad used to be like that, "I got these nice pens, I lose them." And I fucking, I have a Bic for 30 years, and I was like, alright, never buy a nice pen. That was the lesson I learned from that.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  Sure, I get it.

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  It wasn't quite accurate, but um,

• 6:11Matt Farah?

  it's a fucking exciting weekend because it's boat prep.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:15Matt Farah?

  Weekend.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  That's a pack.

• 6:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Lots of small things.

• 6:17Matt Farah?

  What, but like,

• 6:21Matt Farah?

  the last time we went sailing, five years ago. We should have, on the very last day, made a list.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  We should have.

• 6:31Matt Farah?

  Of like,

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  Fucking, "Don't forget this. Here's a lesson, that a thing that you could bring would solve."

• 6:38Speaker 01

  I do that every camping trip and Burning Man. And the number of times I've remembered to go look for that list the next time is like 20%.

• 6:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. So like, the one thing I remember from our last trip is like, basically, bring no nice clothes.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:55Matt Farah?

  Don't even, like, I remember trying to shower and then put on a nice shirt for dinner and like, instantly sweating through the nice shirt and going, "Well, this was silly."

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm bringing one of those.

• 7:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  And the rest of it is like, like, I'm gonna be in board shorts.

• 7:11Matt Farah?

  All day.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  95% of the time.

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  All day, every day, yeah.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  The same, like, fine. You know what I did buy? I bought, um, like, swim leggings for snorkeling and like a shirt so I don't have to worry about accidentally getting burned, you know, if you snorkel for like two hours straight.

• 7:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  The back of your calves.

• 7:27Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Turn to a ham.

• 7:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  And I don't want to do that.

• 7:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. So for those of you who have no idea what I'm talking about, Zach and I are going sailing. Uh, we're going for nine days, uh, on a, on a, on a big fucking 48-foot catamaran, uh, in the British Virgin Islands, which is where I went to sailing camp when I was a kid. And, uh, how, how does wealth and privilege perpetuate itself? Well, by my parents being able to send me to sailing camp, I got a license that allows us to go charter boats as an adult, which is an incredibly high-value vacation that we get to have for not much money.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  True.

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  Because I got this license at sailing camp fucking 30 years ago.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 8:12Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:13Matt Farah?

  That's crazy that like, who would have thought that like, that at the time? Like at the time, I was having the best time.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  You were having fun at sailing camp doing a thing.

• 8:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and learning to scuba dive and all this other like great stuff. But it was like, it was a fucking hoity-toity camp. I knew it. We were sailing around the Caribbean in a flotilla of boats from the moorings. Made a lot of great friends, ended up working there for two, two years after I was eighteen. And, uh, and now we're essentially going to go sail as adults the same route that I sailed as a kid. Uh, of course, a lot of it's gonna be different because after the 2017 hurricane, uh, but these islands got pretty fucked up. And there was a real like, a real like rah rah to rebuild. Um, and they've apparently rebuilt them like nice, like they're apparently great, so stoked.

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  But, uh, but like it was, uh, but, but just that, that I did that as a camp and that it actually generated a thing of value, a tangible thing of value that we could go back and use later.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  I mean, the ROI is still negative overall, I think. Like the amount you've spent on going to camp, and then the amount you made at working at camp. And then the amount we spent sailing.

• 9:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, I'm not saying it's profitable. I'm just saying it's a, it is a thing of value.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  I would say anybody listening, this is the best way to see a tropical place. I know you've heard me say this like 58,000 times, Matt, but if you're listening and you have access and like the time to go get a sailing license, it takes a couple of weekends.

• 9:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  You can then take friends and family on a, the most amazing tropical vacation for far, far, far less than you could if you had to pay a captain to be there.

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Just do it. It's fantastic.

• 9:50Matt Farah?

  And it's not even just paying a captain. On a boat like this, you have to pay a captain and then give them one of the rooms.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:56Matt Farah?

  So you have like less, you know what I mean?

• 9:57Speaker 01

  And you gotta hang out with them the whole time. Could go either way.

• 9:59Matt Farah?

  And they're on your, you know, not huge boat, uh, the whole time, so, which is probably fine. If you're a captain in the Caribbean, you're probably, you know.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  You're used to that.

• 10:08Matt Farah?

  Best case scenario, you're literally Captain Ron, but you know, short of Kurt Russell himself.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  We watched him below deck to prepare for this trip and I noticed that the captain has the best job because they just go to their, they, they sail the boat, they don't talk to the, the celebrities really, or the people that rent it. They go to their cabin and just go to sleep, read a book, and let the staff, who are 23, deal with the folks staying up late drinking alcohol. They just, they do that.

• 10:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, if you're, if, uh, if you're a real captain on a real commercial, like commercially operated charter yacht like that. There's like, that's like, training, training. You need like, adult level training.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, of course.

• 10:44Matt Farah?

  You can't have gotten that, that, that lesson at, when you're 16 at San Francisco.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, yeah.

• 10:50Matt Farah?

  No, but our, our buddy Tim, who was coming on the boat with us, came with us the first time around and was like, "I wanna be able to do this," and then did, like, you know, it was a few weekends and, you know, and got himself a captain's license as an adult too, and now he can do it.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 11:05Matt Farah?

  But like, it's shockingly affordable and awesome. So, and even, even like, medium terrible countries, the part facing the ocean is really nice.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  The ocean looks like the ocean, you know, and the reefs look like reefs for the most part with some variation. Of course, they're like, you know, the water is gonna be blue and it's just gonna be gorgeous.

• 11:26Matt Farah?

  And the Caribbean has, uh, uh, more consistent winds than Tahiti. Like, in Tahiti, where we were last time, it was insanely beautiful, and I can't wait to go back there. But, uh, we saved money by going in like a shoulder season, where the weather's very pleasant, but the winds aren't so great. So, people who have more budgets like to go in the high season where the sailing winds are really good. We did that trade-off in order to have like a sick experience for a better price, and I think was worth it. In the Caribbean, and this time of year, the winds are like, super duper consistent. So, we can expect like, 10 to 15 knots, like, all the time. And the sails are only like, 2 to 3 hours, you know, because the islands are pretty tight, so.

• 12:11Matt Farah?

  So, it, it should be really nice. Um, I hope, anyway. But like, yeah, I'm, I'm trying to think of like, all the things that we need, and I'm like, "I should have fucking written this down last time," but...

• 12:22Speaker 01

  I, I know I'm gonna forget stuff, I just accept it.

• 12:25Matt Farah?

  Is that, is your coffee grinder a burr grinder or a blade grinder?

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Blade.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  It's the blade, yeah. All the portable ones kind of are.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Unless you sell the hand wine.

• 12:32Matt Farah?

  I don't know what happened to it. I think I fucking gave it to somebody as a donation of some kind. Which is, was dumb. I'll never find one like that again.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  The other option is just grind coffee at home the day before you leave and it'd be pretty fresh.

• 12:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we can do that too. Just grind a big couple pounds into a like a gallon bag, I guess, or whatever. Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:55Matt Farah?

  That's probably a good enough move. Yeah, I'm super fucking excited to go sailing. It's like, I mean, I guess that it's like an RV, but like a much better, more spacious RV that like is parked in a much prettier place, you know, like.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Well, in the.

• 13:14Matt Farah?

  It's like an RV in terms of it's a road trip where you don't have to unpack and repack.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:18Matt Farah?

  Which is lovely.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  And you can stop where you want, but you have your kitchen and you can just like jump in the water and it's like, it's like every time you stop, there'd be a hiking trail or waterfall right outside the RV. Yeah.

• 13:27Matt Farah?

  It's great. It's great. There's, and there's, uh, yeah, the, the BVI is a good time. It's so, it's like pretty much the biggest yacht charter destination in the world.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Whoa, I've never been there.

• 13:37Matt Farah?

  It's, it's extremely, uh, typical Caribbean fucking vibe. Fun beach bars, secluded, uh, you know, coves, good winds, you know, islands, fucking vibe. Yeah. Mad chill.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 13:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Should be really nice. Um, but I'm interested because I was there before the hurricane to see how it's, uh, how it's evolved, but it's like, this is literally where we, where we would like all fly into when we were in fucking high school to go to this camp.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  It's like, oh, there's the beach. We found the playboys on and there's the beach where we.

• 14:12Matt Farah?

  Can you just pull up Action Quest, which is a really lame for name? This is the coolest camp.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  It sounds like a game show on Nickelodeon.

• 14:19Matt Farah?

  It does, doesn't it? It's the coolest camp with the lamest name. Uh, but this was it. Obviously it's still going. Adventure camps, sailing and scuba diving since 1986, dude.

• 14:34Matt Farah?

  This is a fabulous program. If you want to spoil the shit out of your kids, what can I say? But it was really safe. It was like they really cared a lot about about safety and stuff. And you can you can become a professional scuba diver at this camp, which is pretty cool.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  That's very cool.

• 14:54Matt Farah?

  I went from I went from never even like having touched a scuba tank over four summers to being a professional scuba diver. There it is, the British Virgin Islands camp.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Professional meaning like you are qualified to lead dives?

• 15:10Matt Farah?

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• 19:33Matt Farah?

  Got mad specialties, yo. So that's the route we go. You start on Tortola, and then you pretty much, uh, run a, uh,

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Clockwise?

• 19:41Matt Farah?

  Counter-clockwise. You start in, you start in, uh, in what looks to be the anus of Tortola, right in the middle, to the right, to the dot, to the right.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Freud would have questions for you. Uh, this one?

• 19:53Matt Farah?

  The south side, south shore, sorry, to the right, the one to the right. Down, down, down. The other side of the fucking island, that, that one, there, you start there. And then you go southeast to the little chain of islands, and work your way clockwise, uh, counterclockwise, I'm sorry, counterclockwise, around there. So we will, we'll get it, we're going to choose on the fly, if we want to do the onagata, which is far out. Uh, it's an interesting one, but it's like a long, it's longer sail, each way.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Depends on the wind, I guess.

• 20:21Matt Farah?

  Well, it depends on the wind, and it also is like, you know, do we want to hang out an extra day? Do we want to buffer ourselves? Because it's pretty flexible, so, um, we can do what the fuck ever. Yeah, so, uh, so, and actually, so, see, uh, Yost Van Dyke on the left? A fan emailed me today, and I'm sorry I'm not remembering his name right now, but emailed me this morning, now, there's a bar on Yost. Yost Van Dyke is a drinking island. All that there is to do there is drink. It's bars on beach, that's what the, and I'm, and there's a, there's a, what's called like a guest list or something on the wall.

• 21:00Matt Farah?

  And people, this fan stopped in and pre-bought us a round of drinks at this bar.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 21:07Matt Farah?

  And we just, we show up and, I, I guess I show my ID or something to say, I'm the guy written on the wall. And, uh, and we get a round of drinks. So I'm sorry I've forgotten your name, but thank you for the round of drinks at, uh, Yost Van Dyke when we get there. So that'll be fun.

• 21:25Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, it's a good, it's a good island, that island.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 21:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, uh, so anyway, that's what we're gonna be doing.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  See some dolphins, maybe rescue a whale, you know?

• 21:37Matt Farah?

  It's kinda like driving. We're gonna do a podcast on the boat.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:40Matt Farah?

  We'll have Yacht Cast. Um, so that'll be fun. But dude, also,

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  I, uh, well, not gonna say it. Moving on.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:57Matt Farah?

  Drove a Lotus Carlton.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's talk about this.

• 22:00Matt Farah?

  Um, I've heard so much about this car. Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Specifically from watching Jason Camisa's video, but you know, it's also Lotus, so you hear things.

• 22:08Matt Farah?

  It's a funny, it's such a funny Lotus, cuz it just, it, it doesn't, it doesn't feel like a, it feels like, um, I want it to be like a Holden, is what I really kind of want. It's, for those who have no idea what a Lotus Carlton is, it's a, it is a sedan, uh, based on, I think it's called the Vauxhall Omega. Oh, boy, Thaddeus Brown. Must be very angry at something we said on the livestream and has to chime in.

• 22:38Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's a, it's a British saloon car, uh, very DTM, uh, that for a moment was the fastest sedan in the world.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's a twin turbo six, and, uh...

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Inliner V.

• 22:54Matt Farah?

  You know what's funny? I don't know. I think it's a V. I think it's twin turbo V6. But I believe it's 375 horsepower.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  That's a lot.

• 23:03Matt Farah?

  Dude, I, I...

• 23:04Speaker 01

  For the year, wow.

• 23:05Matt Farah?

  This car is very fast, so we're selling one on, on Bring a Trailer. Uh, it's not up yet, it's gonna be up soon, and...

• 23:14Speaker 01

  375 horsepower in 1990?

• 23:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:19Matt Farah?

  This thing, this car rips. It is, uh, it's right-hand drive, obviously, cuz it's British. It has a, uh, what feels, uh, it's basically a Corvette gearbox, so it shifts like a Corvette, you know, with your left hand. Clutch is very light. It has the same, um, steering wheel as the 80's AMGs, that four-spoke steering wheel that AMG was using. Um, it has a good ride. Uh, the, the steering is a little, it's in the little 90's, but the car feels light on its feet. Uh, good seats, nicely bolstered. This one's got 75,000, uh, I believe they're kilometers. Pretty sure it's all kilometers.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  It's a 24 valve inline six, it's a 3.6 liter and yeah, twin turbo. I mean, I am still baffled.

• 24:05Matt Farah?

  Was the horsepower right? 375?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:08Matt Farah?

  375? Yeah. What's the, do you have a torque number there?

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Uh, no, but I'll find it.

• 24:14Matt Farah?

  Don't worry about it. It, this thing, uh, you know, it's a, it's a, you know.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  419 pound-feet.

• 24:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  In 1990, 1990 for people listening, that's more than every Corvette.

• 24:27Matt Farah?

  Corvet ZR1.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:29Matt Farah?

  Effectively, it's Corvette ZR1 power in 1990. Yeah. Might be more power. I think it might be more power than a Corvette ZR1. Corvette ZR1 would have been 375 horsepower, but being a naturally aspirated V8, it probably was less torque than horsepower.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  It had 370 pound-feet of torque.

• 24:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  So significantly less.

• 24:49Matt Farah?

  So this, I mean, this thing, dude, I put the hammer down in second. This car is fucking fast, really fast.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  This is like a GT-R, which, uh, sorry, which was this?

• 24:59Matt Farah?

  It's kind of like a Skyline. Yeah, dude, it's like, it's got real, it's got, it's not quite as like slick as a Skyline. If you drive an R33 or R34, you're like, this is like a 2012 BMW 335i. Like, it feels like an inline six that's 20 years newer than it is. This is very smooth and very fast and powerful, but it doesn't feel quite as smooth as that, but it was real quick.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 25:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's that, that steering wheel. You recognize that?

• 25:34Speaker 01

  It's not bad. The spokes are small. As far as four spokes go, it's not the worst.

• 25:39Matt Farah?

  It's not the worst. No, it's just the same one, it's just the same one that the, uh, that the AMGs were using.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, what a cool thing. That's a fuck ton of power, man.

• 25:47Matt Farah?

  And actually, and this one has a really, uh, had a really nice interior and it's like, it's, it was, it's not a lot, not squeaky or rattly and things worked. Actually, the, that's mostly true. The AC does not work. But a really fast car that would be a super cool sleeper. You know, if you've kinda, if you've kinda had everything else, you know, and you're comfortable with, with a real DTME car that like only a few people like absolutely lose their mind.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  It's like a sneaky M5.

• 26:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  It's funny, the power is made at 5200 RPM. That's low in the rev range. Do you know what a rev 2?

• 26:29Matt Farah?

  60 mid 6s.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's, it's, it's, uh, yeah, mid 6s. I didn't take it to redline. I probably shifted it somewhere in the 5s, but this thing was humming along. And then it had a long, you know, a really tall 6th gear, cause it's like Corvette gearbox.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:45Matt Farah?

  So you could just kinda loaf it along on the, on the highway.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  It's kind of Corvette powerband, just makes more, more horsepower.

• 26:51Matt Farah?

  It reminds me of that, uh, that Callaway twin turbo Corvette I drove that had like fucking super duty torque.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:59Matt Farah?

  The power curve looked like a diesel. It was like peak torque at 2400 RPM and peak power.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Which is what a lot of modern M cars do now, but back then it probably felt a little different.

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's strange, yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Look how much stuff. We're, we're looking at the engine bay for people listening and they're like, like my car, if you look at it, you can see almost, you can see like the cylinder head in the 1.6, same with RVs.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  The flow of the, of the air.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  This, I don't know where is going what. Like, there's a cylinder head somewhere. This is a charge cooler on top. So, I mean, obviously your engine's beneath this.

• 27:29Matt Farah?

  The airbox is on the left side of the picture.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:32Matt Farah?

  And you've got this laundry ducting, this laundry ducting that goes into, uh, I guess the,

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Each turbo's gotta be down here.

• 27:41Matt Farah?

  Each turbo, right? And then the, well, no, hang on, that's cause the, cause the, that go, the, on the top, it goes through the, through the throttle bodies into the charge cooler, right? That box is the, is the inner cooler.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Oh, so the turbos are here and chuffs through the,

• 27:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Into the throttle body.

• 28:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, okay. All right. So it, it goes from the airbox to the charge cooler to the throttle body into the cylinder. Right, yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  There's a lot of piping in here. I think-

• 28:13Matt Farah?

  I'm glad there isn't plastic covering.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  We know like a lot of modern cars now, like they'll have the turbo is cast with the exhaust manifold-

• 28:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  So like maximize that response. I think, looking at this picture, don't yell at me internet if I'm wrong, but it looks like all of the- like the boost covers quite a distance. You know, there's a lot of like shipping internationally.

• 28:30Matt Farah?

  We call it long boost.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. They would market it like wide track Pontiac. You know, it's a big car. No, no, it's wide track. This would be long boost. Like long drink. What a cool thing. I like it.

• 28:43Matt Farah?

  Look how much weight you could save by having a lithium battery. Holy shit. It's probably just the wide angle of the photo, but that battery is like insane.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Look at the size of this tank.

• 28:53Matt Farah?

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• 29:36Matt Farah?

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• 30:21Matt Farah?

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• 31:17Speaker 01

  Is that windshield?

• 31:18Matt Farah?

  It's gotta be windshield. Yeah, because coolant overflow's here. Coolant overflow's there.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  This is a...

• 31:22Matt Farah?

  Is that a huge windshield?

• 31:23Speaker 01

  This is a windshield fluid tank that is larger than a standard car battery.

• 31:27Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 31:29Matt Farah?

  I guess you really want to make sure you always have it.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  I guess. That's strange. That's a lot.

• 31:36Matt Farah?

  Maybe they... Maybe in England you need it more than here.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  It's got pretty good shape to it. This reminds me a lot of the... Remember the Ford Contour SVT?

• 31:47Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  I mean, that was Blob era, of course, in terms of design, but this is like the rear-wheel-drive early version of that.

• 31:53Matt Farah?

  This reminds me of that Infiniti G20T, which was also Nissan Primera, but it's a little bigger than that. It's also got that neat, like Nissan Sifero, sort of the... What are the... Like, early 90s, like, not like the Maxima XSE, like, the Nissan...

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:11Matt Farah?

  Mid-'90s Nissan styling to it, which I suppose was taken from this and not the other way around.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Rear wheel drive, right? This car?

• 32:21Matt Farah?

  The Cifro, yeah.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  No, no, sorry, the Carlton.

• 32:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  That's one of the big, because the Infiniti, you know, whatever, I20T.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, the G20 was a front wheel drive car.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Front wheel drive car, like, a lot of those things, so this is a little rare in that regard.

• 32:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Cool. That's fun.

• 32:37Matt Farah?

  But that G20T was underrated.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  It was.

• 32:39Matt Farah?

  Nice car.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they handled really good.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  I drove a modded one on a one take, and I'm like, this is a sleeper no one's really talking about.

• 32:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're alright.

• 32:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, my buddy Deveraux in high school hit a raccoon at about 100 miles an hour, and other than needing a new front bumper, the car was fine. So I was like, alright.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  How's the raccoon?

• 32:59Matt Farah?

  Not so fine.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Red mist?

• 33:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was not good. It was, it was, oh, it was ugly.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Just the opposable thumbs just hanging onto the grill?

• 33:08Matt Farah?

  It was so bad.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  They're cute.

• 33:09Matt Farah?

  It was so gross.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  If things go right in our life, Sarah and I are gonna have a pet raccoon in like 10 years. We're just gonna have a house in the middle of nowhere, and we're gonna befriend a raccoon.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  It's just gonna arrive and determine that it's welcome?

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Yes, and it will be, and so I just want you to know what you're getting into when you visit.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  I'm gonna fuck him like, ah! You're like, that's Steve?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  He's fine.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, the prepper slash animal rescue era is really approaching.

• 33:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, man, dirt's cheap in Lancaster. Where are we looking at dirt? We're further?

• 33:38Speaker 01

  I want a place that has trees and stuff.

• 33:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, true.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  For the north.

• 33:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. Oh, up, north? Not like, not like Idlewild?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  I mean, ideally, I want my own tunnel that goes into Canada, but it might be too cold there. But, yeah, probably a different state. This is a ways out. But just expect raccoons, is what I'm saying.

• 33:58Matt Farah?

  So anyway, you should buy a Lotus Carlton.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:00Matt Farah?

  I don't know who the fuck works on a Lotus Carlton.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  A man.

• 34:05Matt Farah?

  Fortunately, it's not my problem. It's just, my problem is to tell you that I drove it, and it is very, very fast.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  You need a Nigel.

• 34:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I bet you, like, Charlie would know.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Which Charlie?

• 34:18Matt Farah?

  Charlie Agafu, he would know who could work on this car.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 34:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  And it depends on what state you're in.

• 34:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's gonna be one of those things with like one guy, and when they retire, like, we're all fucked. Like, if you're in your, god, if you're in your, like, twenties right now? You should be finding weird cars and learning how to keep them running and being the fucking last guy or girl in America that can take care of these fucking cars and you will have a customer base for life.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Did you see, there's a story a few months ago about this girl was like 15 and she started a carburetor repair like business.

• 34:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was in Rodent Track.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 34:58Matt Farah?

  Riley's Rebuild, I believe it's called.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  And it like, it went from her doing it to hiring a staff of other like, high school women to do it and then her brother takes it over while she goes to college like, you know, people need carburetor repair and there's fewer of them and so she had a successful business by the age of 17. So, yeah, get out there and fix lotuses.

• 35:19Matt Farah?

  And carburetors are, I mean, no disrespect, like, not the most complicated thing. Like, one can learn to rebuild carburetors without too much, you know, trouble. Like, and then you can just be the person who does that. A lot of people don't know how to do that, but if you do, you're ahead of them. I don't either.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  I've needed to do it for a long time and I haven't done it, yeah.

• 35:39Matt Farah?

  I know you don't have to be a super fucking genius to do it, but I don't know how to do it, so I will pay somebody. Shout out to her. I'll pay her.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then there's the tuning of it, which is a different story.

• 35:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a whole other thing. Marco could probably do that.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I should ask him.

• 35:56Matt Farah?

  He could probably rebuild a carburetor.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Okay. Uh, but anyway.

• 36:02Matt Farah?

  Proving what I just said.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Right. People learn to repair weird, cool enthusiast stuff and you will always have business.

• 36:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If you, like, you could easily be the, the, one of like, two or three people in the entire country that knows how to, you know, like, right now, like, JDM shit. You can make a, a solid living with being, being a person who is an expert in JDM cars.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 36:27Matt Farah?

  People import them and then they get them and then they don't have anybody that's ever seen one before. It was really hard for me to find someone to work on the Delica. Skyline, not so much. But, but like, it's not a complicated, it's a fucking little shitty diesel, whatever.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  But you see someone that is familiar enough with like, that. Family of cars or engines and and hopefully you're near a city that has that.

• 36:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Like in if you're in Idaho, the nearest Lotus service center might be far away, but if you're in a larger state or city, it might be all right.

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And if you if you knew how to, if you were familiar with working on, you know, Japanese imported cars. And you were familiar with like where to buy parts for them, like you could, you will have a lifetime career.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:12Matt Farah?

  Easy.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  True.

• 37:13Matt Farah?

  Easy.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Cause they're only bringing in more and more cool. Yeah.

• 37:17Matt Farah?

  Simple, not easy.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  They're bringing in more and more Japanese cars with the 25 year rule and everyone's excited about it. So I think the supply of business is only going to go up.

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  The people that are making good use of K trucks now will choose to continue, keep making use of K trucks. And they'll, they're going to keep being cheap. So they'll every five years, they'll import a new one for $8,000. And you know, that'll be their utility vehicle.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a job AI can't do. And if you want to listen to one of those terrifying interviews, like the grandfather AI, I can't remember the guy's name, British, you know, computer scientist. But they said, what's a great future proof job? And he was like plumber.

• 37:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  And the interviewer laughed and he just stares dead straight. He's like, you know, complicated physically that job is. And same with this stuff.

• 38:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No one's going to stop pooping.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  That's right. AI can't.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  Despite what Brian Johnson wants you to believe, like we're not going to stop poop.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  That guy probably tracks all of his defecation. And yeah, and if it, you know, if it drops from four to three for a day, he's like, what's wrong?

• 38:19Matt Farah?

  He's like, son, come here and give me a poop transplant.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  I watched that video where they did the blood plasma, like his dad and him and his son. And all right.

• 38:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, what the fuck?

• 38:30Speaker 01

  You know what? They are happy. All right. I can't argue against that.

• 38:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Just.

• 38:35Matt Farah?

  Can I give a little shout out to the fairly lame, but insanely fuel efficient Chevy Blazer? That I rented for ice race?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's talk about it.

• 38:46Matt Farah?

  That Chevy Blazer.

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  Nobody, nobody's talking about the Chevy Blazer. And for good reason. It is a very bland automobile, but we rented one for Ice Race. And this is a pretty small car that fit four adults like really comfortably.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Rear seat is very well contoured and comfortable.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I didn't have to give up any legroom for you guys to sit behind me. And it fit like a shitload of luggage at the same time. And for, I got, for, dude, I drove that car 340 something miles during that week. And I used like not even three quarters of a tank of fuel. It got like 36 miles a gallon the whole time, driving up and down mountains.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Mixed use.

• 39:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  I see them on the highways here a lot, and I'm always surprised by it because my brain is just like wired to look for Toyotas. But I, I see them more than I expected, and now I know why.

• 39:51Matt Farah?

  There, it was like, it was really, in terms of just being like a pretty basic car. It was, it was nice. All wheel drive.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Heated seats.

• 40:02Matt Farah?

  Spacious, yeah. And it was like, this was pretty base, other than being all wheel drive, but it was nice. CarPlay worked good, wireless carPlay was good. It was, it was very fuel efficient and spacious.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  And it held four people's worth of suitcases plus two camera cases in the trunk. And I think you could still see out the back.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  It didn't, it held three people's worth of suitcases because my suitcases were already at the Airbnb.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 40:27Matt Farah?

  Sarah's and Hannah's.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. It would, it would not have held all of ours, but we had, but we had a lot of shit. It would hold, it would hold four people's normal suitcases, but not four people's skiing and filming shit too.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 40:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, those, these are pictures of the electric one.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is what I pulled up first.

• 40:49Matt Farah?

  We had the gas one. That is not, not the same thing that clapped.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  The trunk is almost the same.

• 40:55Matt Farah?

  The trunk is probably almost the same. Uh, I think the trunk is bigger and possibly in the one that we had.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Well, cause there's probably a battery under here somewhere.

• 41:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, surprising car.

• 41:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, nice.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Really surprising car. The seats are more comfortable than my wife's Ram four seats.

• 41:12Matt Farah?

  Are they?

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:14Matt Farah?

  The front seat was okay.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  They were shaped better in the, in the Chevy. Don't tell her I said that.

• 41:18Matt Farah?

  The front seat was fine. The only thing I couldn't figure out was it had, uh, on the fob, it had, it clearly had a button that was a remote start button, but it would not and did not remote start.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  You think, you do, do you think they disable that with the rental car? I don't know why they, no, cause Ali's rental car, Suburban did it.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  Rental cars had it. Yeah. It was like everything else for ice race. It was expensive, that rental car.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Oh, just for that week?

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was like fourteen hundred for Tuesday to Sunday.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 41:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was expensive. Uh, yeah.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  All right. So next year we'll tow a vehicle.

• 41:58Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, look, uh, we now know the math on it. Um, I mean, the, the flights were expensive and the rental car was expensive, but you know.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  We saved four days.

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  But we got home. We got home very, very efficiently and we didn't have to, but I mean, you know, if, if we wanted to make an adventure out of it, I'm not against fucking, shout out to Paul Kramer, who drove his nine forty-four the whole way up there.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Whoa, that's incredible.

• 42:30Matt Farah?

  Couple of people did that. Someone else, I forget who else, someone else I talked to, road tripped from LA also, but it's not my preferred.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  It's not my back's preferred. The duration of sitting would be rough.

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like clearly suboptimal.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  If we broke it up with content stuff along the way, but you know, in both directions, that could be a rad road trip. And I bet it's a gorgeous trip. I bet the drive, like watching the landscape change as you get up in the mountains is stunning.

• 42:55Matt Farah?

  Well, the first half of it, we're certainly familiar with.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  It's, we, the first half of it is LA to basically Salt Lake City. And then you just keep going north from Salt Lake City rather than turning east towards Denver.

• 43:12Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 43:14Matt Farah?

  It's pretty much just 15 to Salt Lake City and then you keep going north instead of turning right. Yeah. I mean, I, it probably is gorgeous. You're basically, you're basically just continuing through the Rockies all the way from, you know, mid Utah to...

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, from, from here, it's probably really awesome. And then all the way.

• 43:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and you're go, you drive through Yellowstone and shit. We could do that. I mean, that's a thing. We could go, you know, we could go to some national parks or something.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  We'll see.

• 43:44Matt Farah?

  But I, there's, there's possibly a mathematical argument for, you know, I wonder...

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Tow the spider. Put some, put some spike tires on it.

• 43:54Matt Farah?

  It's, I don't think it would be, A, I don't think it would put that cool of a show on and, and like, I don't, you know, I don't think it would, you know, people have seen the spider before. I don't think, you know, whatever, we'll see.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 44:08Matt Farah?

  We'll see. It could also be like, maybe if we can get someone to give us a luxury van slash RV type thing that could tow our trailer. And now we could, you know, just sort of stop somewhere like super pretty, standalone for the night, and maybe even like, live in the RV during ice race. That might be a lot.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  I, you know, my, uh, my, my friend who runs Santa Cruz Vans, he camps, uh, he van camps at the ski hills in Tahoe all the time. Cause he put in heated floors and insulation. It's fine. So, and I met the people at Nuvo Van and I bet they'd be happy to loan us one to drive to that thing.

• 44:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, that was the guy who was at, uh, at Johnny's Cars and Coffee, right?

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, brought a van with a coffee machine and stuff like that.

• 44:55Matt Farah?

  See if they have one that can tow a light trailer. Cause, cause our trailer plus manx is only 4,000 pounds. So.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:04Matt Farah?

  That could be fun. Um, we got a couple other cars actually, uh, in addition to Little Carlton on, we got a, a really nice Ferrari 360 on Bring a Trailer right now. Um, it's a silver, uh, silver F1 car with blue seats. Uh, and it's live right now. Um, this is gonna be a good one. It's a coupe. It's very, uh, there it is, 18,000 miles, uh, very well cared for car.

• 45:33Matt Farah?

  It would be a great, I mean, it's F1, so meh, if you ask me, but it would be a great candidate for a swap because it's otherwise just aces.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 45:43Matt Farah?

  And I think the fact that it's F1 will probably

• 45:47Speaker 01

  18,000 miles, that's low.

• 45:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it looks, it looks it too. It looks great. I drove it today for the video and it draw, it sounds

• 45:56Speaker 01

  To the exhaust.

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  Started up, yeah, it sounds great. Yeah.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Okay, so someone buy this and then swap the trans.

• 46:03Matt Farah?

  And it's got service records going almost all the way back to new, like 20, 20 years of service records.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Sick.

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so you get this, you know, it's, it'll, you know, it'll probably go for, I hope, a good number, but it, it likely won't hit 100. We don't, we're not expecting 100, that'd be great, but, but, and if you just, you know, 20, 25 for the swap and you got a real keeper.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, this seems like the great way to get into a Ferrari and you can be happy with it for a long time.

• 46:35Matt Farah?

  I drove it, I drove it today and I hadn't driven one in a while and I was like, God, these, they're comfortable. They're real, they're just really nice, comfortable cars to drive. You can just drive them all over the country, drive them all the time, drive them every day, and there's a really comfortable car. This one with the Tubi, it just sounds really nice and it is quick. It is definitely quick, but the, the current owner bought it thinking he was gonna drive it a lot, but has a big collection, ended up liking some of his other cars a little more, driving those a little more and, and wants it to go, to go to a good home, someone who's actually gonna drive it. So if I had the money, if I

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  had, if I had just sold the NSX and the Countach wasn't looming, this would be incredibly appealing for me to just have made this dude an offer and keep this car, but I'm exercising some self-control.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  And you have a Mercedes project happening.

• 47:33Matt Farah?

  The, we're, we're, we're hoping the Mercedes is gonna go well. I mean, in terms of learning about this powertrain swap thing.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right.

• 47:41Matt Farah?

  The Mercedes is, is not 100% certain, but Countach is, and we think that's gonna be

• 47:52Matt Farah?

  So we're not, we certainly are not.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  That's 100% happening and 100% expensive.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  Yes, we're not buying Ferraris right now. That would be a very fucking stupid thing to do. So we've got that Ferrari up right now. We also have a one-owner Mercedes 450SL that's gonna be going up. Probably by the time this podcast airs, it's not up right now. We also have a 997 Carrera S Cab that's going up in a couple of weeks. It's red, but it has like a turquoise wrap on it. Maybe not for everybody, but otherwise a very nice car. So that's a bunch of cool cars going. The Carlton, Ferrari. Oh, we also have probably going up in two weeks,

• 48:34Matt Farah?

  a black, black 91 Ferrari 348 TS, which is the Targa. I love that car, too. That would be a tough one. Similar money, I think, for the 360 or the... What would you do? I think similar money for the 360, as is, not swapped.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 48:59Matt Farah?

  Or 91 black, black 348.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  Well, I'd still go 360, because the good year for the 348 was 94, right?

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  The best year, yeah.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  That's the best year when it was becoming the 355 and it had all the good stuff. I would do that. Because I bet the 360, even though the transmission is the transmission, in the corners and whatnot, it would be more rewarding. And I also think it looks fantastic. I think it's a beautiful car from every angle.

• 49:28Matt Farah?

  I think 348s look good.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  I think it's cool, but I just, I just preferred, once we got into the 90s design, more than the 80s, you know? So that's what I would do.

• 49:35Matt Farah?

  All right, fair enough. Either way, someone will get a good 348 also. Can we go to the people?

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:42Matt Farah?

  Because I'm out of things to talk about, because we podcasted yesterday, too. Happens. We gotta get ahead, y'all. Gotta get ahead. There's only so many things happening in our worlds. Because we gotta do paperwork and shit, too.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  We gotta do what?

• 49:58Matt Farah?

  We gotta do paperwork and shit, too. We don't have, we're not always out doing exciting car things that we can come, come back here and tell tales. Sometimes we just gotta pack for a trip and do paperwork. You know what I mean? But Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is where you would ask your questions. It's where you watch the live stream. It's where you get the show early. It's where you get extra show. It's where you get a show without ads. It's where you get exclusive access to collabs and things such as the very soon upcoming Notice Canyon in, I don't even know what we're calling it, so we don't get sued, but it's the color that looks just like my car. I, I'm pretty sure I can't call it the exact same color as the car, but it will be very obvious of the intent.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that company would like a new revenue stream and you don't want to be it.

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 50:50Matt Farah?

  Um, alright, let's see what we got. Can you make that bigger, please? Keel and Toe says, "What brand is poised to develop a cult-like following similar to Porsche in the last 15 years?" A cult, I mean, there's certain brands that already have cult-like followings.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, developing one, because that, that assumes a newish brand.

• 51:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  I think Rivian's doing the best job. I think they've, they're becoming, you know, more like Wrangler. You know, the people that like Rivian, really like Rivian. We've talked about this, the Poles, despite their reliability.

• 51:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  First time Rivian owners, their response to buying another one was huge. So I think they've actually done the best job.

• 51:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, last 15 years, Tesla has a literal cult.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 51:38Matt Farah?

  Like, we don't cult like? Yeah, I'll give Rivian cult like. That means like, people really like their Rivians and would buy another one. Tesla is an actual cult. Uh, they have like lunatics and, uh, so, I mean, I, it's not be, it's not in the same way that Porsche has enthusiasts, I don't think. Porsche enthusiasts can get a little bit overboard with their colors and whatever and be dweebs. Tesla people are insufferable.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Well, because the Porsche formula was racing history plus, uh, good cars, plus a consistent design and a...

• 52:17Speaker 01

  The exchange between like motorsports engineering and the publicly available cars has basically existed the whole time.

• 52:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  So I think to have something like that, you need Corvette or Ferrari, like you need a company that races and sells performance cars for 50 years.

• 52:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Matt rear ends moms. That's only true in certain select ways. Not since I was 16.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  I was thinking something else.

• 52:46Matt Farah?

  Is the price, oh wait, is the price difference between the 4Runner and the Land Cruiser based on where it's built and tariffs? Or does the Land Cruiser carry on the higher standard for build quality and life cycle of the old Land Cruiser? Or are all Toyota trucks equivalent now? That's a good question. I think it's too early to tell if the new car, I didn't go on the press launch for those, so I wasn't told if that was the goal. Just based on vibes, it's not. And there still is, you know, that Lexus version of it here, but like there is that

• 53:28Matt Farah?

  old school Land Cruiser that you, they still have like in Japan, but not here. Here it's like, there it's Land Cruiser Prado is the one that we get here. I don't think they're all equivalent. I do think the Land Cruiser is nicer than the 4Runner, but again, that's just based on like vibes.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  True. Isn't it slightly larger?

• 53:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Very slightly, I think there's a three row Land Cruiser, or is there not?

• 53:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there is. It is a little bigger.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  It's gonna, it's the same way it was in the 90s with, like the 4Runner, they're very close in size, but the Land Cruiser is aimed more at like the family that makes a little bit more money, essentially. Little more space, little nicer materials, and that's it. You know, and the, and the image they sell of it.

• 54:10Matt Farah?

  The, the Land Cruiser is less bro-y than the 4Runner. To me. You know what I mean?

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Do they have a Land Cruiser TRD? I forget.

• 54:21Matt Farah?

  They, no, they have the over trail is, is their Land Cru, no, that's the Lexus one. There isn't a TRD Land Cruiser. There's like, whatever the, isn't, is there? There's just like the off-road package, something, right? Cause I drove the TRD Sequoia and the TRD 4Runner, and they were both super bro-y.

• 54:45Matt Farah?

  They were, they were fine to drive, but in vibes and style and certainly in the interior, they looked like a fucking UFC gym. Whereas the Land Cruiser was much more, what you might say, demure. Like, a little more chill about itself.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  There's an article, I mean, if someone wants more information-

• 55:06Matt Farah?

  Is there a TRD Land Cruiser?

• 55:07Speaker 01

  No, there's not, but there's an article on Motor Trend about like, the main competitor for the Land Cruiser might be the 4Runner.

• 55:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's funny.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  If you want that, if you want off-road ability.

• 55:15Matt Farah?

  That's funny.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:16Matt Farah?

  Matt's Peterbilt Long-Nose Tow Rig says, "For those of us looking to be good cat dads, what's the best cat-related investment you've made?" Oh, that's a good question.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Probably reading that book, right? How much did that change how you raise and treat your cats?

• 55:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I guess, more so than like dollars, yeah, the time investment to like, read about how to raise good cats. Like, that, like, learning about their natural, like, rhythms, like hunt, catch, kill, eat, groom, sleep, and like, stuff like that, and actually taking the time to like, play with them and invest in their like, social health is more important than any like, actual monetary investment. Now, for monetary investments, I mean, shit. I mean, Hannah and I spent deep four figures on Axel's surgery. Remember when Axel had a tumor in his lungs and like, and like,

• 56:16Matt Farah?

  he had crazy surgery that like, we did not think he would survive, and he did, and he lived for another like, four years.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 56:24Matt Farah?

  So like, like, keeping Axel alive while he clearly wanted to be alive, and he beat, for a time, that disease, and ultimately, when he got sick again and there wasn't a lot we could do for him, as soon as we thought he was in pain, we, you know, we did what we think good cat parents do, but, that was pretty amazing. But I mean, in terms of like shit in the house, like, cat towers, just like lots of cat towers, places for cats to go up high, places for cats to watch the world.

• 57:06Matt Farah?

  I mean, if you're handy, then the tunnels in the walls were not hard. You literally bought the tunnels on the internet and like

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Sawzall.

• 57:13Matt Farah?

  Sawzalled it and you know, anyone handy could probably do it. So that kind of stuff like you can build gyms for cats for like very cheap, like wall shelving and stuff like that. So that kind of stuff.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Someone in my building has a catio, basically they should like, you know, a cheap, easy screen that's meant exactly for this and it just covers the balcony. And the cats can go out and hang out there and look at stuff and look at squirrels, but not eat the squirrels. It's good.

• 57:40Matt Farah?

  If the balcony is high enough, the cats wouldn't jump, but yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  Well, they, an adventurous cat could jump from balcony to a tree.

• 57:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  So they want to stop them from doing that.

• 57:50Matt Farah?

  Smart. Yeah, yeah.

• 57:53Matt Farah?

  Fat Ice, Fat Ice Agents go home. Shout out to them. Not the Ice Agents. The ones that are gonna go home though, I'll shout out to them. Looking for a Cartier watch for my wife. You said they all like them. True. In the three to $4,000 range, could I find a good condition pre-owned in that budget? Or is that too low? I mean,

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  with the consideration that I have not shopped for a Cartier watch in that price point, I think so. The most affordable ones are called Muste de Cartier, that's M U S T, which was a sort of more affordable version of the Cartier brand in the like 60s. I think 60s, but now it's been a long enough that most people don't look at a Muste de Cartier and

• 58:50Matt Farah?

  that is one, yeah. But there's other ones, but look, I mean, you know, it just, it just says Cartier on it, but

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 58:56Matt Farah?

  Usually if you're

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Forty three hundred bucks.

• 58:58Matt Farah?

  If you're gonna buy a Cartier for a woman, it should be square. Like Carl, Carl used to say, round watches remind women of being fat. You should get a square, a square one. So there you go. Cartier Tank Muste, right there. That's what you want. Four grand, steel, 29 millimeters, so that's for your lady.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Bingo.

• 59:21Matt Farah?

  Bingo. Fucking lifetime right there, dude. That's where, that's where you're at. And there you go. Bob's is, has been a sponsor in the past. Reputable.

• 59:32Matt Farah?

  You're probably not going to find much in the gold variety, because gold is expensive now, so. Cam Faz says, "What UK tracks have you driven and what was your favorite and what would you like to try?" Let's see.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Drove Anglesey, the Lotus Test Track.

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  Hethel, yeah. I drove Silverstone once.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 59:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is a very interesting question. What other racetracks have I driven?

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  I mean, Anglesey remains one of my favorite tracks of all time. It had elevation, good curves, a view of the ocean from like that top right-hand turn.

• 1:00:14Matt Farah?

  It was very beautiful.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  It's amazing. You know, I have fond memories there. I've watched a lot of videos shot there. Like, that's a crazy place.

• 1:00:20Matt Farah?

  I don't have very fond memories there, but it's pretty.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  It's also like, it's way out in the middle of nowhere, and when you show up, you rent it, and they're just like, "Okay", and you just never see the track staff again. Great place.

• 1:00:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Ah, shit. I don't think I've driven that many other tracks, though.

• 1:00:41Matt Farah?

  I was at some little club track near Birmingham that I truly could not tell you.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  To Donnington? Someone mentioned Donnington.

• 1:00:51Matt Farah?

  I've never been to Donnington.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  And Crainer Curves.

• 1:00:53Matt Farah?

  Never been there.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  The thing with the UK is there's so many tracks.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I've never, really, the only ones I remember are Anglesey, Silverstone, and, um, what do you call it? Just those two, right? Really?

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Hethel.

• 1:01:10Matt Farah?

  And Hethel.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Hethel, Anglesey, and Silverstone.

• 1:01:13Matt Farah?

  Hethel was kind of fun, actually. I thought Hethel was neat.

• 1:01:17Matt Farah?

  Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel. Wait, you're playing an automatic, I don't know, do you know the game?

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  If you're red light, green light, you'd play it.

• 1:01:26Matt Farah?

  You're playing an auto game of red light, green light. What car under 100K are you choosing?

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  So you want maximum acceleration and deceleration. Red light, green light was like, everyone would line up at the far end of a field or a roller rink, and they'd say, "Green light", and everyone, you know, you go, and then when they say, "Red light", you have to stop within like, two seconds or one second. And basically, the goal is to get across the finish line first without getting thrown out because you continue to go when red light was called.

• 1:01:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, so under 100K, best acceleration and braking?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  So you want like a Navara?

• 1:01:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if it's just, if it's just straight line acceleration and braking, you want a Taycan Turbo S effectively, or under a hundred, you could probably, and I'm sorry to say this, get a Lucid Sapphire for under a hundred. Yeah, that's what you want, you want essentially a Lucid Air, the fastest Lucid you get, or a Taycan Turbo S. Right? Like, what would beat that?

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Uh, nothing. Unless, unless you get the car that the Swedish university made that set the zero to sixty record.

• 1:02:32Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  But that's, uh, not straight legal.

• 1:02:36Matt Farah?

  TVR Bob Cigaris, favorite tailpipe configurations.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  That's a funny name, Bob Cigaris.

• 1:02:42Matt Farah?

  Open and waiting. Uh, no, uh, um.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Depends on the car, man.

• 1:02:49Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, sure it does, but, but some are, some are hard no's. Like, if you have a dual exhaust, like, let's just, let's just call it the Califor- uh, Ferrari California slash Lexus ISF, where it's sort of a semblance of a vertically stacked side exhaust, but like, just off enough that you go, why did you do that?

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  See, I think it looks, I thought it looked kinda cool on the ISF.

• 1:03:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  But I thought, I thought the back of the California was so ugly, the exhaust couldn't help it.

• 1:03:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, true.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  I think quad exhaust works for me on V8s. There's almost like a ratio of exhaust pipe to cylinder, or vice versa, you know? One, one, let's see, two, each, each exhaust pipe needs two cylinders. So a four-banger can have two pipes, a V8 can have four, and then, uh, and then it falls apart when you get to twelve.

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  Remember when, remember in oh-two, when, or maybe oh-one, when Chevy did the Camaro SS, and it was a fucking LS1, the first Camaro with an LS, and it had a single exhaust pipe? It's like, baby, what are you doing?

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Terrible.

• 1:03:54Matt Farah?

  Who thought, who thought of that?

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  It looks cheap as hell.

• 1:03:57Matt Farah?

  That's fucking crazy that they did that.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Cause when you see a single, when I see a single pipe like that, I think it's a V6 with a broken muffler when it sounds like that. You know, that's no good. You don't want, cause you basically have the same pipe setup as a V6 Mustang, or a V6 Camaro, so that's terrible.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  It's terrible.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:14Matt Farah?

  Now, side pipes, sometimes good, sometimes not.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  It has to be on an old car for the most part?

• 1:04:22Matt Farah?

  Right. Well, not necessarily. In my opinion, if you have an even number of cylinders, no, no, that's not the right, that's not the right, even number of cylinders per bank. So, so V8s are okay with a side pipe.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Tens, no.

• 1:04:43Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Matt Farah?

  12s, uh huh, you know what I mean?

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, the exhaust out the back of a Viper sounds better than the side pipe, is what you're saying.

• 1:04:51Matt Farah?

  Yes, absolutely correct.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  Totally agree.

• 1:04:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, the, the side pipe Vipers sound like a pair of UPS trucks fighting each other.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:02Matt Farah?

  Benjamin says, oh Benjamin, like Benjamin, Benjamin, yeah.

• 1:05:10Matt Farah?

  Can you talk a little bit about the current state of Porsche? Over the past year or so, I've been hearing about the company's financial struggles, but that doesn't seem to jive with the current brand status. Virtually every car they make seems to be the best in its class and the brand seems desirable. As an outsider, it seems like they have the makings of a very profitable company. Well, I mean, that's true, but I'm not sure you have quite factored in how much it costs to develop like multiple EV model lines that are all of a sudden like not mandatory to sell.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, I think you hit it.

• 1:05:50Matt Farah?

  Lighting, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars on fire by developing an entire range of cars that you might not actually build is a real fucking problem. And a lot of their product, although it's desirable, stuff that isn't a 911, although maybe it's best in class, it's often like most expensive in class, like by a lot. And

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  To produce?

• 1:06:18Matt Farah?

  To sell, like MSRP's, like this Cayenne I'm talking about, like. To get one new, it's like a hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Like, that's a lot of money for what is effectively a very normal car. Like, that's not, it's not that special of a car. Like, it's a little bit nicer than the competition, you know?

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  True, yeah.

• 1:06:41Matt Farah?

  If you already like Porsche, it feels, quote, like a Porsche, you know, the, in terms of how it's built and whatever. And it's a nice car, but like, that shit's mad expensive. So I think, I think Porsche has been riding pretty high over the last ten years as the GT line and they're, they, across the board, have been building great cars that people want. But like, when everybody's not super flush with cash, and then they're also spending all this money developing these model lines that may or may not ever, you know, see the light of day, or, you know, they were, it was, it was gonna be all-electric Macan, all-electric Cayenne,

• 1:07:25Matt Farah?

  all-electric, they weren't going to have fucking gas cars anymore.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Matt Farah?

  And now they have to go back and develop new gas and hybrid powertrains, and possibly throw these electric cars in the garbage entirely.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  You know, the cost, and the cost of that, because they wanna do things at a very high level and do them well, of course. So they're gonna spend a ton of money just for, I mean, this is an article from Road and Track, uh, in 2024, their operating profits were four hundred and five million dollars at the end of quarter four, and last year was forty. So this is the whole, like, they lost ninety-nine percent of their profit. Um, they also, uh, their sales and delivery are down six percent compared to the year before. So that accounted for one point seven billion dollars declined in revenue and thirteen thousand fewer vehicles delivered. So...

• 1:08:12Matt Farah?

  And they're absorbing some of the tariffs, right?

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:15Matt Farah?

  It's not, a hundred percent of the tariffs are not being passed on to the consumers. So, even as the price of the cars go up, Porsche is probably actually taking less profit per car than they would have been two years ago.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, this is a very well-done article with a lot of numbers. But basically, they're selling fewer cars. Their R&D costs went way up on a bet that got changed because of country mandates from different parts of the world. And that's not good.

• 1:08:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  So that's all going to affect it. But I feel like, I mean, they'll be fine long-term because people love their products.

• 1:08:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're not going out of business. But they're temporarily in deep shit.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:08:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  And it's more visible now because they're publicly traded, or something publicly traded, right?

• 1:08:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, you know, sucks to be them, right? I mean, but they're not going to go out of business. So, Travis Pastrami on Rye Country Day School. It's finally time someone made a rye bread joke. Wait, can you... Oh, sorry. Is it time for automakers and/or journalists to better define the class of car that slots between sports car and GT? And which of these classes, including the hypothetical new sports GT class, is your favorite for R&T driving events?

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  What? Well, that's funny. So if we create a new division, what is your favorite car that you would put in the division? Is that... that's the question?

• 1:09:47Matt Farah?

  What... well, what is... is there a class of car that slots between sports car and GT? I mean, do we need a new category?

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  I don't think we do. BMW, of course, would love it if we did because they like to create markets. But I think, I think like with the invention and the proliferation of things like Mag Ride or adjustable suspension, you can have cars that blend, that work well in both worlds, touring and sport driving. I don't think you need, I don't think you need to make a new class because the car can do both. You know, maybe if we existed in a world that didn't have adaptive suspension... You could create a new one in between, but like, I don't, that doesn't seem necessary.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  I, I agree. I mean, to me, a GT is a car that is optimized for long distance driving. And a sports car is a car that's optimized for handling. Like, and there's a spectrum between those two cars. But I don't think it requires an entirely new category to define that. I mean, there's cars that exist, you could plot them on the, you know, the, what is the full, what is the most, the furthest down the GT could be?

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  Bentley.

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  A Rolls, a Rolls of Wraith or something, right? That's the most, the most GT. And then the most sport is like.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  GT3 RS?

• 1:11:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, something, something like that, or some mid-engine thing with, you know.

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  A Sena.

• 1:11:15Matt Farah?

  A Sena or a 765LT or something like that, right? And then almost everything else falls in between there. So which of those, which is your favorite for R and T driving events? I mean, these are, for me, there's some track work, giving some thrill rides to people. There's the windy roads. But there's also, because a lot of times I'll drive to the event and back from LA like a shitload of highway miles. And so like, what's important to me, I would lean more towards the GT because I could, without bragging, like hustle a soft car fast enough on a road and a track.

• 1:11:57Matt Farah?

  And I'd rather have that and like adaptive cruise control and shit for those long transits than have some hardcore sports car that, that doesn't have those conveniences and then it just beats me up. There's exceptions like, hey, you want to drive a 918? Yes, I do. But I wouldn't ask for a, for a GT3 RS or a, a fucking, that Lotus or some kind of track day, you know, special thing where it's, you know, all the time, right? But like. What is a sports GT like a Corvette? Corvette's a good sports GT.

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  I think the Corvette, especially Z06, it can do both so well. You know, hit a button, it's so comfortable and then you hit the other, hit the button and it goes straight to the track. Sounds amazing.

• 1:12:48Matt Farah?

  I would still classify that as a sports car. I mean, if it's got, if it's a mid-engine car, it's a sports car.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, they've just given it GT ability.

• 1:12:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, that's like, that's something that's great about modern cars is you don't really have to compromise. Although having said that, I drove my Ferrari 328. Hours and hours and hours to other states. Drove it to Phoenix, drove it to Pebble, like, can GT? It could. It didn't have like cruise control and shit, but like, it could. There was nothing about that car that was less than totally relaxed on the highway. Countach too. Countach, although the mid-engine eliminates it, the size of the trunk and the ride on the highway, I think it qualifies on that spectrum.

• 1:13:35Matt Farah?

  It's probably more in the middle than on the Senna side of it.

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  Well, especially, it probably feels soft compared to today's sports cars.

• 1:13:44Matt Farah?

  Sure. And it was just Lamborghinis in the 80s were never race cars. They were only ever supposed to be road cars. And that fucking Valentino Balboni loop was shitty ass, local, regional fucking tarmac. It wasn't a racetrack. So they had to ride well, even more so than they had to handle well. In the 80s, like, nobody cared about handling. What's your top speed? And ooh, the doors go up.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  Pretty much, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:12Matt Farah?

  Dungeons and Datsuns.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:14:15Matt Farah?

  What are some cheap, inexpensive, interesting, weird, cool vehicles that would gain more attention at a car meet or gas station than today's average exotics?

• 1:14:27Matt Farah?

  Auto Zam.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Matt Farah?

  You roll around in Auto Zam, AZ1.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Gullwing doors, right-hand drive.

• 1:14:33Matt Farah?

  That's 25 grand of a good time.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  Yep, that'll get you a lot of questions.

• 1:14:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  That's a good one. BMW Isetta.

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  You know, dude Hannah's Del- the Delica?

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  You can't stop somewhere without people asking about the Delica. That's a very friendly, useful vehicle. Like, that is a... We bought that truck to be a tool and like, everybody loves it. It's so charming. Same with like her Pal, the Pal or a Figaro. Japanese shit, weird Japanese shit.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  If you got like one of those diesel, right-hand drive 4Runners, that'd be a sleeper, but you'd get talked to by so many 4Runner people.

• 1:15:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, dude, get a fucking Patrol with a huge turbo on it.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:13Matt Farah?

  You know, um... Car nerds just wanna see something that they haven't seen before or haven't seen in a really long time. I mean, go find like, a Cadillac Cimarron with 2,000 miles on it that some dealer can't give away. You know, and you win a trophy with- for something like that at Radwood.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  You know, like, um, you know, take... If you- if you- if someone sees that you've taken the effort to import a car that doesn't seem valuable enough to import, like... Dude, I went to Monaco, Monaco. The only car I took picture of in Monaco was like a 1983 Corvette, like, pace car edition. With Monaco tags on it, like, somebody took the- spent the money to import the worst Corvette of all time and had been driving it around Monaco for years. Like, that's what I'm talking about. Find something that nobody gives a shit about, except you, but it's like the best.

• 1:16:16Matt Farah?

  And yeah, people will- people like me will lose their mind and not care about the latest, you know, whatever thing. BlauPunkedPlayaVista says, "With the imminent demise of the Tesla Model X, do you think there'll be a future for cars with gullwing doors like in Demolition Man?"

• 1:16:38Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, but it's exotic cars, not like regular cars aren't supposed to have doors like that. It's not, that's not practical or useful.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Well, and I think the Model X has had a lot of problems with the doors.

• 1:16:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  And it's always complicated, like they have to have the crash system, they have to be able to blow the doors out, like it's a complicated thing for the car company to do.

• 1:16:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  But I also think they will always have a place because everyone thinks they're rad. They're just gonna be rare.

• 1:17:02Matt Farah?

  Well, it's just, it's pivoted to the more practical but still cool butterfly doors.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:17:08Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's, a car with a carbon tub can and really should have butterfly doors. That's like, that's a more effective door system.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  It is a way better door system.

• 1:17:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  But I just think because the gullwing, or yeah, the gullwing and the butterfly door have been so, or sorry, the gullwing doors have been so iconic, they will come back.

• 1:17:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Just, they'll be rare.

• 1:17:31Matt Farah?

  I blow horns. What cars go from bad or mediocre to great with a few modifications?

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  I think any Honda Civic of any generation with like a little sway bar and a little suspension is suddenly one of the funnest front wheel drive things you could drive.

• 1:17:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. A Mustang GT with a set of like coilovers, a square stance wheels, and like track pads and fluid is a formidable track performance machine.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:01Matt Farah?

  That is like well within warranty.

• 1:18:08Matt Farah?

  F-body Camaros, if you run

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  Square stance.

• 1:18:12Matt Farah?

  Square stance, turn in like Corvettes.

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good race car.

• 1:18:15Matt Farah?

  Actually.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. And same with the later Camaros. I mean, they're a great track car, they got better and better, so those can surprise some people.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Miata's. They're fun, but they're very soft, I think.

• 1:18:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Miata's with the right suspension setup, for sure. But, but, but they're not like bad, like cars that go from like, it's hard to make something go from bad to like good.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Cause if it's bad, it's engineered, might be engineered poorly from the factory.

• 1:18:45Matt Farah?

  I would say like, how about like a Fox body Mustang with a proper Watts Link put in the back of it? Like, that's like a car, that's how to make one of those handle like totally predictably, actually.

• 1:19:03Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  It's a tough one.

• 1:19:04Matt Farah?

  It's a bunch, though.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's hard to find a car that, like, the only problem is that the suspension is just a little too soft or something.

• 1:19:11Matt Farah?

  You can, all right, how about this, a classic Bronco, and the only thing you change is you give it to Jonathan Ward and write him a check for $300,000.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  I wouldn't say that's a small modification, but you are correct.

• 1:19:22Matt Farah?

  It's only one thing.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Matt Farah?

  You only have to write one check for it.

• 1:19:28Matt Farah?

  The swinging tire, what are some cars that had so much hype from journalists, it was impossible to live up to expectations when you drove it? The Cybertruck.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:19:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:42Matt Farah?

  So much hype, but it's tough to live, okay.

• 1:19:48Matt Farah?

  This is hard because...

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  Oh, M5 Touring.

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  Like, we had had one, and everyone had wanted one for decades, and they brought it here, but with all the technology required to make a modern car, blah, blah, blah, it was like, oh, this is very compromised and not great.

• 1:20:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh huh.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  I think the same about the RS6, actually. I like it in very specific

• 1:20:10Matt Farah?

  The RS6.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  environments, but in most of them, I go, well, this is two, it's two sports car when I want it to be more GT car.

• 1:20:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, my shameful thought is that I like the RSQ8 much better than I like the RS6, which is my, that's like, that's like sacrilege, like, as a gearhead, I must like the wagon better than the crossover.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is a wagon.

• 1:20:32Matt Farah?

  But actually, I don't. I actually like driving the RSQ8 better. Hmm. Yeah.

• 1:20:40Matt Farah?

  How about that? No country for old buffets. What common car feature do you think people used the least? Good question.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  I mean, rear wiper, like, I, I use the rear wiper in Sarah's car, and I think I'm the only person who does it. She goes, oh, yeah, that's right, like...

• 1:20:57Matt Farah?

  I use it in Taycan, too, and I get mad at when cars don't have it now.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Oh, it's helpful.

• 1:21:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  For sure, things get dusty here.

• 1:21:03Matt Farah?

  I got annoyed in that, in the Acura Integra Type S, because it didn't have it, and Hannah was like, Matt, no, no, like, sedans have it. I was like, you're right, they don't. Uh, sunroof, I find that I, that when I have a car with a sunroof, I don't use it very often.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  I thought you would.

• 1:21:19Matt Farah?

  I'm the kind of person who would.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  But I, but I don't.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:21:23Matt Farah?

  I don't use it very often, actually. I think a lot of, uh, who? Features that don't get used. Onboard navigation systems.

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Nobody probably uses that.

• 1:21:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  No one just goes CarPlay.

• 1:21:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The notorious J R G.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  That's a good one.

• 1:21:42Matt Farah?

  That would be, I bet you could do it. If we were to get a, if a, a, a fun car in a, in a J R G.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  Get that plate. N T R S J R G. Yeah.

• 1:21:52Matt Farah?

  That would be sick. I've been driving my Fiat 500 for nearly a decade and man, the highway driving ain't too smooth. Is that a short wheelbase thing, a cheap car thing, or a sign that my shocks are beat?

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:06Matt Farah?

  It's probably all.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  Correct. The answer is yes.

• 1:22:10Matt Farah?

  Yes. Definitely. Yeah, it's, this is the problem with driving a disposable vehicle.

• 1:22:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, 10 years and, and you've got small wheels. You've got a car that is a sort of thinly put together and your rubber is, is probably wearing out. I mean, maybe, maybe your shocks, maybe your bushings, you know, 10, 15 years.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  A long time.

• 1:22:34Matt Farah?

  It might be time for bushings in that kind of car. But also, yeah, it's got a little short wheelbase, not exactly optimized for highway driving. But I might have your shocks and bushings inspected.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. In alignment, that can make you move around more than you want.

• 1:22:48Matt Farah?

  For sure, yeah.

• 1:22:53Matt Farah?

  Run at GMC. Was that someone's answer?

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  No, no, he, he asked, they asked this first and then they wrote this T L D R.

• 1:22:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, I see, alright. Alright, the question is tire width versus tire compound.

• 1:23:06Matt Farah?

  Okay. Would you

• 1:23:10Matt Farah?

  upgrade your tire compound until you run out of grip before making your wheels wider? Uh, to achieve a similar effect? That's a good question.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  It is a good question.

• 1:23:22Matt Farah?

  I think you can upgrade your tire compound without negatively affecting your steering feel.

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:23:28Matt Farah?

  If you widen your wheels, your steering will get heavier.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:23:32Matt Farah?

  Now, you may or may not want that. You're talking about a C4ZR1 and a GMC Cyclone. And these are cars with heavily overboosted 90s steering. So, a wider tire may actually somehow improve that.

• 1:23:50Matt Farah?

  But in general, uh, you will change the steering feel by putting wider tires. And you will not really change the steering feel by putting stickier tires.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:00Matt Farah?

  So, that's the question you need to answer for yourself. Do you just want more grip? Or do you also want to change how the steering feels?

• 1:24:08Matt Farah?

  Didn't know a turbo was a fish.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  I like this one.

• 1:24:17Matt Farah?

  I love Armchair Anonymous episodes of Dax's Armchair Expert Podcast. Would you guys ever do an episode where friends or car journalists wrote stories that you would read anonymously with their worst or most embarrassing stories?

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  Absolutely would. But I wonder if people could, even if they took their name off of something. The internet is the internet these days. Would they be able to piece it together?

• 1:24:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  And so, I don't know. I, I hope when we're all like 80, you know, we, everyone just starts publishing a book with, you know, worst, funniest moments, can't get sued for, or, I don't know, that you won't affect career and whatever.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  I feel like, I feel like if you do something that is a funny story, but not like career ending, you probably are more willing to talk about it already. But I like the idea. I'm not, I'm not totally against it. I rarely hear about like, like, like, because we would know who it was.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  Right? The audience would say, I don't hear, you know, even at like dinners and stuff with other journalists. We hear about people that have crashed press cars and, but then they'll, they'll come on the story and they'll just tell that on the podcast. I'm sorry, I, I flubbed the word. They'll come on the podcast and they'll just tell that story.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  For the most part, yeah.

• 1:25:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's very few times where it's like, I'm gonna tell you this, but like you can't tell it on the.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  You know who would have the better stories? The PR people.

• 1:25:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  If they, if they could tell stories about, about crashes and antics of journalists, especially in the eighties and nineties. That shit, like I've heard, people have told me stories from like the eighty-nine press launch of something and I'm like, are you? That's insane. And it usually has to do with professional pleasure providers and stuff like that. So those would be the stories.

• 1:26:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's always about hookers and drugs.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:26:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, ball caddy, I want a second car to learn how to wrench. Uh, the priority is ease of learning. It should drive, uh, but the driving experience doesn't really matter. Seven K or less.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  Their list is great. Crown Vic, Ranger, Tacoma, Miata, um.

• 1:26:27Matt Farah?

  Well, this is, this is an opportunity here. It's, it's great that you want to learn how to wrench and it's great that you are, have a priority of ease of learning. But this is still a car. It's gonna cost you money, space and time.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:26:41Matt Farah?

  So although the driving experience doesn't matter, like you have an opportunity to get a second car here and like, it, it, and the, and the things that you list up as examples, Crown Vic, Ford Ranger, Toyota Tacoma, Miata, Civic, other.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  A lot of crossover between them.

• 1:26:58Matt Farah?

  Do you, like, you, do you want a truck? Like, do you want a utility truck, a utility vehicle? Like there, then you, maybe you want one of the truck. Do you want to, uh, both a Ranger and a Tacoma are good, good options here. You know, and do you want a sports car? Miata, Civics? Like those are good options. Those are very easy cars to work on, as are like Mustangs and Camaros and stuff.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:27:19Matt Farah?

  And Subarus, I think, to an extent.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  But they're Legos, which is good.

• 1:27:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And old BMWs even, like E30s, although 7K, you're not getting, you're getting a horrible, rusty, terrible car.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, the body might be fucked.

• 1:27:34Matt Farah?

  But I, I do think you should get a car that you're gonna at least, you at least think you might enjoy when it's driving. Like, cause if you don't drive it, it's not gonna break.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:27:49Matt Farah?

  But like, do you wanna drive around at Crown Vic? Do you wanna drive around at Tacoma? Like, everything you've listed would qualify under what I would recommend.

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  There's also, if you, if this person wants to learn to wrench, if, if your goal is to be able to, is your goal to be able to just repair your cars, no matter what they are, to save yourself some money, then any of these work.

• 1:28:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  If your goal is to learn more about performance cars, setup, then you go Miata. Cause now you can fiddle with alignment. They're super easy to work on. The parts are lightweight, which is nice. Truck stuff might be a little heavier, but if you are gonna be an off-road person and you wanna learn about suspension lifts versus body lifts versus all these other things, like, then you should get that, one of those vehicles. So all of those are, uh, things to think about before you buy one of these, but.

• 1:28:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is a car. You're going to want to use it as a car, you know, there, you're, so it should be.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Right. And if you have a sports car already, then I would say get a truck, cause you can do truck stuff.

• 1:28:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  If you have a truck, get a sports car.

• 1:28:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But sure, you could, yeah, Ranger, Tacoma, F1, you know, old F, all the 7Ks not getting you probably.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  I would say, I'd say get something that's manual, because then you can learn if you had to, like, how to change clutches and shit like that. And that's just a piece of, uh, knowledge that would benefit you in the future.

• 1:29:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  And this is the last one.

• 1:29:05Matt Farah?

  Fountain pens and beard trimmers. Wide open question, what's fun for you both?

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  Very wide.

• 1:29:13Matt Farah?

  You've seen, driven, and experienced a lot? Uh, so what is fun? I mean, a lot of things are fun.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:29:20Matt Farah?

  So many things are fun.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  Adrenaline is fun.

• 1:29:23Matt Farah?

  First off, a lot of times, work is fun.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, true.

• 1:29:26Matt Farah?

  I, you know, I, I don't, I don't constantly like yearn for vacations because I generally enjoy the thing that I'm doing most of the time. But like, you like, you go, you do a lot of hiking?

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, not as much as I'd like, but I, I like to go camping and get away from stuff and like reset. I, I find that really enjoyable.

• 1:29:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I like to, my resets are involved just enough doing something and just enough nothing. So, like we just talked about at the beginning of the show, say, the sailing. Sailing is a great activity because you're doing something, but you don't need to be laser focused on doing it. You know, I can sail a boat and read a book at the same time. Which is nice. Skiing, golf, like, I like, I like, you know, I gotta be doing something. I can't just like sit.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Matt Farah?

  Road trips are fun, even though that's work sometimes. Cooking is fun. Seeing new places is fun.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:30:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Meeting new people that are from different places.

• 1:30:29Matt Farah?

  Lots of things are fun, yeah. Trying new food is fun. Lots of things are fun. So many things. Fortunately, like, most of those things are not expensive that we just listed.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:30:42Matt Farah?

  Most of them.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  I feel like I'm having more fun in, at this time in my life, learning to do a thing. Whereas when I was younger, I would assume I should be able to do the thing immediately. And if I couldn't, I'd be like mad about it.

• 1:30:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, right.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  So now I enjoy the process of learning, getting better at something, and then having a skill.

• 1:30:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I think, I, I think I got lucky a little bit in that when I got grounded for getting my first tattoo and had to teach myself guitar.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  Had a tattoo, oh.

• 1:31:06Matt Farah?

  No, I, I taught myself a guitar using like a fourth grade level book. That was pretty humbling.

• 1:31:14Matt Farah?

  I, I kind of reveled in being shitty for a minute.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  That's great. That's a very good skill to have.

• 1:31:19Matt Farah?

  It's okay to be shitty at stuff, yeah.

• 1:31:23Matt Farah?

  Thanks, everybody. We're gonna, uh, we're gonna see.

• 1:31:29Matt Farah?

  What it's like to podcast on a boat. It should be fine.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  It'd be very relaxing.

• 1:31:33Matt Farah?

  It should be fine. What's the worst thing that could happen?

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Well, if the boat sinks while we're podcasting, it's good content, you know?

• 1:31:40Matt Farah?

  True. That would be a fucking headline, wouldn't it? We'd have to shoot a center card from the ocean.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Podcasting while sinking. Oh, no. He's all the anchor.

• 1:31:52Matt Farah?

  I got the insurance, yes. Cool, man. We appreciate all of our patrons asking such good questions today. Superb. Best of luck buying yourself a Cartier watch out there. And we'll call you in from the boat next week. Yeah. Have a good time until then, and we'll see you in our board shorts. Bye.