#2257 - Bryan Callen

Bryan Callen is an actor, comedian, and podcaster. He's the co-host of the podcasts "The Fighter and the Kid" and "Conspiracy Social Club," and host of "The Bryan Callen Show." www.bryancallen.com This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Get working on a better you with therapy. Visit BetterHelp.com/JRE today to get 10% off your first month. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT) or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD).21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: dkng.co/dk-offer-terms. Ends 2/9/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  My wife, I smoked my leaves and I didn't brush my teeth. I woke up the next morning and my wife said, "Your breath is four dimensional."

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  You didn't brush your teeth before you went to bed and you smoked a cigar?

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Of course I didn't brush my teeth before I went to bed. Give a fuck. You know what I mean? You're married, you're married. She was like, "I love you so much. Your breath is four dimensional." You know, these fires. I have two small children now. Because what I want to do is, what you want to do is, you want to get divorced and then you want to have, get married again to a woman who's 23 years younger and then have two more kids, because that's good. And then I-

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  Definitely takes a lot of financial stress off your back.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Dude, there's no financial stress at all. It's great. You know what? If I hustle till I'm 80, I'll be fine. Anyway, um, it's gonna be really awkward when I call you at 75. I just need help this month. But anyway, so I fucking, I look at her and I go, she's like a girl from Jersey, like Irish Italian chick, no nonsense, you know? Been working since she was 16. And I go, you know, we had an evacuation order that they sent out by accident to people even down where I'm at.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what was that?

• 1:18Speaker 01

  It was some guy who fucked up, because I don't know if you know this, this is gonna be shocking. Grab the table. LA's not run very well.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  Hold on.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck you saying?

• 1:28Speaker 01

  See, here's the thing. We have to worry about, I know-

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  Isn't the chief of fire department a lesbian?

• 1:33Speaker 01

  Now, hold on, let's not turn this into, listen, here's the bottom line.

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  It's run amazingly.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  It's not about infrastructure. Infrastructure's gotta take-

• 1:39Joe Rogan?

  I won't sit here while you disparage the great people that are running Los Angeles.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Sir, infrastructure's gotta take a backseat to climate change and social justice and homeless abatement, which hasn't worked.

• 1:49Joe Rogan?

  See, the lady who's responsible for filling the fire hydrants gets paid $750,000 a year.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Hey, your tax dollars go into good work there, everybody.

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of money.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  You think?

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  That's sitcom money.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  You think?

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  That's like, I'm the star of a sitcom.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Oh dude.

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  Not a star, but like, you're the third person on a sitcom.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  That's a high wage, sir. 750 grand for a city employer who's-

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  For someone just like, "Fill that one."

• 2:14Speaker 01

  How the aquifers, how the aquifers today?

• 2:16Joe Rogan?

  Get the water in that one.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  You know what? We gotta protect the Delta smelt.

• 2:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Whatever the fuck that is. So we gotta, we gotta.

• 2:22Joe Rogan?

  Trump was talking about that on the podcast. On the podcast I did with him. Trump was going on this long rampage about Los Angeles and the fires and how it all can be prevented. And they could have plenty of water. He explained the whole thing and he's right.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Here's my whole philosophy. You guys know, you know that we have a tinderbox. And you can say that there are a lot of people that live there. The fires are, it's always a potential. If that's the case, then please make sure the fire hydrants. We've gotta be able to figure that. You, you guys in LA, California came up with AI. I mean, Silicon Valley, it was pretty innovative people. Let's figure out a way to keep the fucking.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  Very different people.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  They are very different people, sir.

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  People in America.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:08Joe Rogan?

  Are homeless and also Elon Musk.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:11Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Well, get some people down in government who are innovative like that. What the fuck are we doing?

• 3:15Joe Rogan?

  Do that job.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Do you know, do you know the city council of Los Angeles? Four of the members of the city council are far left social democrats. How about that? There's zero, there's zero pushback on ideas. It's just all ideology.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  It's all an echo chamber. Well, I'm hoping now that this is a giant wake up call for these people. I mean, there's no positivity that's gonna come out of a horrific fire like that. But at least it'll wake, cause look, that area, you know, Adam Carolla was on someone's show talking about this. And he said something that's like very, I think he was actually doing it himself.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, about permits?

• 3:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was just saying that there's 80% of the people that live there are far left. 80% of the people that got their houses burned down from complete total incompetence and a lack of management. Total incompetence.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:05Joe Rogan?

  80% of those people are far left people. And that's a giant wake up call when you realize, like, no, this, these fucking people, this is not the way to do it. Did you see that lady, the, the fire lady, uh, who's a part of this whole diversity thing? And they said, uh, you're a woman firefighter, can you, if, can you carry my husband out of a burning building? She was like, well, if your husband's in a burning building, he already made a mistake.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  So she said.

• 4:28Joe Rogan?

  She's a big ol' sassy, fat, black lady.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  My favorite was that one of the women said, you want people to rep, to look like you.

• 4:35Joe Rogan?

  Same lady.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  And I'm like, hey, listen, hey lady, when, when my house is on fire and I'm trying to get my kids out, I'm not gonna be like, hey, I got, I, can I get some people that look like me? Because this, this doesn't make me feel safe.

• 4:45Joe Rogan?

  I want him to look like Brian Shaw.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  So do I.

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  So fucking.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  They can be white as a driven snow. If they look like a white walker and they can get me out of that fucking fire, I'm in. I want Brian Shaw.

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  I want him to be a giant dude who can carry people.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  With a mustache that goes like this.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fucking handlebar.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  I love firemen. I'm such a, I'm so gay that when I saw, they came by, I saw some firemen and I didn't know what to do. I was, I wanted to say something like, go get them guys! Or something like that. And I, and I literally went like this. I went, I saluted them. I went.

• 5:18Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  It's a little embarrassing.

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  It's an acknowledgement.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, but my wife, my wife is so funny because my wife is very handy and I said, and we had an evacuation where I looked at her and I go, I gotta go do Joe's podcast and then shoot my special at the mothership. But, uh, I feel guilty about leaving you here. And she goes, what are you gonna do? You can't change a tire. I got this. I was like, alright, see you later. So.

• 5:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know. I would've felt weird about leaving them too.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Well, I'm in an area, I'm in an area where I'm good.

• 5:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're good for now. This is the thing about LA that, you know, there's a viral clip that's going around now of a conversation that I had with Sam Morrell, uh, a while back. And we were talking about, when I was on Fear Factor, how this fireman told me that this was gonna happen one day. He said, it's just a matter of time.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  With the right wind, he's like, we won't be able to stop it. Now that's gone viral. And um, then the Trump thing went viral too. Because Trump was saying that they need to do something to change this. They need to clean up the forest, get rid of all the dead wood.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  All these things could be done. Get rid of all the brush, get rid of all the dead wood. Open up that fucking water from the north to come down. This idea that, do you know that the whole center of California used to be a lake?

• 6:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:37Joe Rogan?

  A giant lake?

• 6:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I found out about it about a year ago.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Really?

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 6:43Joe Rogan?

  Young Jamie? Wait till you see how big this fucking lake was. And all of it, all of the, is all meddling and fucking around by humans.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Did I ever tell you the conversation I had with Arnold Schwarzenegger? I was with John Leguizamo.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Did he say screw your freedom?

• 7:01Speaker 01

  No, he didn't say, this is me for that. I was doing that movie.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Screw your freedom.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Screw your freedom. I, um, he, he said, um.

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• 8:31Speaker 01

  So I'm with John Legasone, we were doing that movie Ride Along. And John goes, hey, stick around, I'm gonna, we'll have some dinner with a friend of mine's coming by, I didn't know who it was. Arnold shows up with his assistant, it's kinda cool, and I'm a fan. So, we're sitting there, and I had just read a book on California politics by Michael Lewis called Boomerang. About, sort of like how, a lot of the towns like Stockton went broke, because of the pension plans and all that shit. Blah blah blah.

• 8:56Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was the Diaz brothers running around slapping people.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  It is that dude. It is that dude. It's, it's that dude.

• 9:03Joe Rogan?

  Did you find that lake? Check this out. Look at the size of this lake. Tulare Lake.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  What?

• 9:10Speaker 04

  Largest freshwater lake west of the Mississippi.

• 9:13Joe Rogan?

  Largest freshwater lake west of the Mississippi.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  What?

• 9:17Joe Rogan?

  It used to be fucking huge. Show a photo of what it used to look like. So, it was all agriculture, they fucked it up.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Oh, because they drained it, right?

• 9:27Joe Rogan?

  Look at the size of it.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  What the?

• 9:29Joe Rogan?

  Look how big it was!

• 9:30Speaker 01

  What in the world?

• 9:31Joe Rogan?

  Look how fucking big that is.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  And now it's just gone.

• 9:33Joe Rogan?

  Gone. Apparently it's refilling.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Well, I guess we needed it for, to grow all the oranges, right?

• 9:40Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, it became...

• 9:43Joe Rogan?

  We needed it for almonds.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  For the Owens Valley?

• 9:45Joe Rogan?

  So I can get almond milk. There's, there's one amazing photograph of this guy, who was squirting almond milk on the fire outside of his house, because that's all he had.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Is that true?

• 9:55Joe Rogan?

  He had two quarts of almond milk. It's like this soy man. This, this literal human water balloon.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  Oh, look at that. God bless him. God bless him. Dude, that's when you're really trying. That's when you're trying. When his COVID mask on. That's, that's just a last stand, bro. That's a last stand. That's...

• 10:14Joe Rogan?

  No, you should've been out, you gotta get out of there. You gotta accept it. I've been evacuated three times.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Have you really?

• 10:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when I lived in Bel Air. I got evacuated three times. You know, it burnt two houses in front in 2018. Two houses in front of my, uh, old house, or burnt to the ground.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Well, that, that video I showed you of my friend's house, that just disappeared. And then you, remember I said that video of him driving down the PCH? Those guys are coming to my house. Because our, where I'm at is the only place that's, you know, where the air is breathable and all that. Well, we have a barrier between... Um, the 405 and also the airport, so it's really, we're pretty safe.

• 10:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pretty safe. The thing about, I mean, this is from someone who's been through it a few times. You don't understand, you think it's just a fire. It's not, it's a storm.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:56Joe Rogan?

  So, I saw fire tornadoes.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  You did?

• 10:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I saw fire tornadoes. When we were filming, we're filming on Fear Factor, and ironically, this was the same time where this fireman was explaining to me what's gonna happen in LA. We're filming Fear Factor, and when we were driving back, the entire ri- I watched a guy die. Watched a guy run across the highway and get hit by a car.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  What the fuck?

• 11:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I didn't see him get hit by a car, but I saw him.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 11:24Joe Rogan?

  Uh, he was, and my, um, producer, the producer of the show, apparently saw more. He saw like, graphic, you know? People were panicking. Um, there was ash falling from the sky like it was snowing. It was crazy. And everyone's driving and no one, everyone's got this like somber, like 50 mile an hour driving, the entire right side of the highway for an hour, like.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  What?

• 11:50Joe Rogan?

  We were filming.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  And you can feel that heat, right?

• 11:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we were filming off the 5, so we were like way up by, you know, like, as you're headed towards Bakerfield. Bakersfield, like that, that was off the 5 or the 10, whatever the fuck it is. Um, when we were, we were pretty far away, and it was a whole hour driving back, where the whole right side of the highway was in flames. I mean, completely engulfed, like a Lord of the Rings movie where you're waiting for Sauron to come riding on an evil horse over the top of it. It was nuts. It was fucking nuts. And you see fire tornadoes, man. The fire was fucking insane.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  There's nothing you can do to it.

• 12:30Joe Rogan?

  And it's flying through the air, so you're worried your car's gonna catch fire. One of the things that happens is... People get stuck on highways, cars catch fire and the fire and the winds just roll through the whole highway and everybody burns alive inside their cars.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  What?

• 12:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that happened at, what is it, the camp, park camp? What was the big fire?

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 12:49Joe Rogan?

  In Northern California.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that city.

• 12:51Joe Rogan?

  A ton of people died in their cars.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Horrifying, horrifying. You know, I gotta tell you, the crazy thing about the Pacific Palisades was that eight years ago, probably eight, maybe almost nine years ago, I looked at houses there with my, my ex-wife. And we came so close to buying a house because it was, it's such a beautiful place. We didn't buy it because it was a little too expensive, to be honest with you. It was like, it was like, you know, just a little out of our price, you know, point. But even like for a smaller house, that was expensive, right?

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  But it's beautiful.

• 13:21Joe Rogan?

  It's a pricey area.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  The last thing.

• 13:23Joe Rogan?

  But it's gorgeous.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  The last thing you would ever think, the last thing is, um, that that house would burn down or there was a fire hazard, especially down like where Gelson's was or the whole town. That dude, what I'm saying, the town has gone, you know, the only structure that's standing is that guy Caruso, that mayor, the guy who ran for mayor, narrowly lost to Karen Bass. He built that mall out of fire retardant material. And that's the only structures that pretty much downtown that are, that in, in the town of Cali, um, Pacific Palisades. Frank Grillo, our buddy, his old house burned right to the ground. Just done.

• 13:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Segura's house burnt to the ground.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Everybody's. Didn't Mel Gibson's?

• 14:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Mel Gibson's burnt to the ground too.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Look at that, look at that dude. Look at that.

• 14:04Joe Rogan?

  It's insane.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Nobody in a million years, I'm telling you, nope. When you bought a house there, nobody said anything about fire. No one.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  That's so, and by the way, fire insurance in LA, what, look at that one house, perfect. Isn't that crazy?

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 14:17Joe Rogan?

  What's that made out of?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  I don't know. It just, the wind blew a different direction or something.

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, man. I think it's gotta be what the house is made of because that wind's blowing everywhere.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  No, I, I don't think any house withstands that kind of fire. I think it's just luck.

• 14:27Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure?

• 14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  How do you know? Are you a builder?

• 14:31Speaker 01

  I am.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  You're not a builder.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  That's Brian Callens. Nah, I don't believe anything can.

• 14:35Joe Rogan?

  Can't you make a house out of all concrete?

• 14:37Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  How's that one house? Look at that one house. That guy, that guy should play the fucking Lotto, son.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Nah, it's wind. Look at that, though.

• 14:46Joe Rogan?

  But you be, here's the thing. You don't wanna live there now. If you're that house on the corner and everything you look at is devastation.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  The schools are gone.

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  Right. Right, the schools are gone.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  But here's my other thing. Here's the question I have. Okay, so you see that, right? Now, who is going to rebuild there and who's gonna, who's gonna finance it? Are you gonna get?

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  What kind of insurance are you gonna be able to get?

• 15:07Speaker 01

  So, so are you gonna get insurance? Or is a bank gonna finance that? Would you wanna rebuild there when you have to wait for a gas station, for a grocery store? There's nothing there.

• 15:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  So, to me, I don't understand what, I don't know what happens to that very valuable property.

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what happens to the entire city now, because people are looting like fucking crazy. Gigantic groups of a hundred men, organized, are pulling into neighborhoods that are being evacuated, smashing through doors and pulling out TVs. There's film footage of them. There's also a bunch of people that have been caught setting fires.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd be sh- I, I would, I would, I think they should be put to death.

• 15:46Joe Rogan?

  One guy got caught setting fires and he had a UN debit card.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  What?

• 15:51Joe Rogan?

  And he had a bunch, I'll, I'll send it to Jamie. The guy that got arrested for, I'll, I'll tell you which, which fire it was, but he got arrested, he had a UN card, I'll tell you exactly.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  This kind of, this kind of tragedy brings out the best in people and the worst in people. The one thing it does i- in these communities, it brings all these people together. You know, my buddy started to cry because I was on the phone with him, he lost everything, right? And he, they're gonna come stay with us. And he said, um, he, when I was on the phone, somebody, these people dropped by and dropped off clothes for them. And he's got a lot of money and he started to cry, man. He was like, I can't tell you how many people have reached out.

• 16:29Joe Rogan?

  He had five cell phones and a United Nations prepaid debit card.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  I, I, I'm skeptical. Is this conspiracy?

• 16:37Joe Rogan?

  Of course you are. You're always skeptical.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Is this conspiracy? I just don't wanna be played.

• 16:41Joe Rogan?

  No, um, I think the New York Post did a thing about it.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  You know what I mean, though? I don't wanna be played. I don't know what's true anymore.

• 16:48Joe Rogan?

  Maybe the New York Post didn't post that he had the debit card.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know what's true anymore.

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm getting this from the Texas Patriot Twitter account.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  You see? I told you, I'm, I'm already like, mm, I don't know.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  They said that the New York Post has edited the info out of their article.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 17:04Joe Rogan?

  Why? Because it's not true?

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Spreading rumors, Joe Rogan.

• 17:06Speaker 04

  Next Patriot account said that.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so then, oh.

• 17:09Speaker 04

  Like, look at the comments below.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  You got, you got played.

• 17:12Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not. Maybe the New York Post are a bunch of pussies and a bunch of libtards.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  The Post, the New York Post is very conservative.

• 17:21Joe Rogan?

  They are kinda, yeah, yeah.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  But I gotta tell you, this is, I, I do think this is how this, there's a sea change here. You gotta have people with opposing points of view that are pro-business, et cetera. You have just all progressives in Sacramento and in the, if you've got on the city council. But you know what? Until Angelinas wake up and start voting for intelligent people, who are not, forget right or left, how about practical people who understand infrastructure?

• 17:48Joe Rogan?

  Like Rick Caruso.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, because the roads, I live there, man. The roads, the fucking power line, it's all, it's all from 1950s, okay?

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  And it's all above ground, by the way, which is a real problem when the winds start blowing like that.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 18:02Joe Rogan?

  Which is what happened in Maui as well.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  If you don't believe in direct energy weapons.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yes, I forgot about those from space. I wonder who's controlling those?

• 18:12Joe Rogan?

  No, no, they're in Antarctica. Yeah, the Rothschilds. It's a cabal of Jews.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Yes, the invisible circle of Jews. That's what, every conspiracy theory always goes right back to that. I'm just saying.

• 18:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but, you know, the Mossad and the IDF and like the influence on politics is pretty well established. Like, there's both things. It's like, no, it's not that the Jews aren't the problem in the whole world, no. And when everything goes sideways, people always do start blaming the Jews.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Always.

• 18:42Joe Rogan?

  Did we ever figure out who said that to us? Was it Jordan? Was it Jordan who started talking, where's it Gads at, who started talking about it's one of the marks of a collapsing society? When they start blaming everything on the Jews?

• 18:52Speaker 01

  They blame the black plague on them. They're like, you guys cover your wells. My, my thing about that is whenever people go bad on the Jews, I'm always like, yeah. Do you like Hollywood? They invented that.

• 19:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  And improv.

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not. Maybe that's not good. But then also.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Stainless steel.

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  Did they invent stainless steel?

• 19:07Speaker 01

  Yes, and virtual reality.

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, they have more. Eastern European Jews have more Nobel prizes than I think any other ethnic group.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  They're incredible. Nobody wants to.

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  Incredible group of humans.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Let's just talk about art and everything else. Einstein, Freud.

• 19:19Joe Rogan?

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• 21:33Joe Rogan?

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• 21:39Speaker 01

  Goes on and on. So you're gonna have-

• 21:42Joe Rogan?

  How many comics? How many comics are Jews?

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Oh my god. Some of the funniest people of all time.

• 21:45Joe Rogan?

  One of the greatest of all time, Lenny Bruce.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Thank you. Groundbreakers.

• 21:49Joe Rogan?

  The literal starter of this whole thing.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Groundbreakers. Yeah. So I always say that. You're gonna have very innovative people.

• 21:55Joe Rogan?

  Probably funding Epstein, but also probably running a gigantic blackmail ring where they have control over all the politicians in the country.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  I might be doing that too, if I, if I, if my survival depended on it.

• 22:07Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're smart. And you're really good at chess. You're like, I know what to do. These guys like to fuck. Let's set them up. Let's set them up.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  What, have we ever, have, has there been any, what is with the list? My, my, here's my theory on the Jeffrey Epstein team. See what you think?

• 22:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'd love to hear this.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  I think that, I think that the people are so powerful, that I, that I know, I know in certain cases, the lawyers go to the lawyers of these powerful people. And they go, how you doing? Now, we got some evidence that your client, who's a family man and everything else, was banging girls on Jeffrey's island.

• 22:45Joe Rogan?

  Getting pissed on.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, whatever it is, bro.

• 22:48Joe Rogan?

  Nuts put in a cinch.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 22:50Joe Rogan?

  We got little kids are shitting in his mouth.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Sure. Hey dude, hey, hold on. What kind of podcast is this?

• 22:56Joe Rogan?

  They're doing drugs. They're doing drugs. They're taking wild chances.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  As I put this shit cigar on my mouth.

• 23:02Joe Rogan?

  These are good cigars, right?

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Delicious.

• 23:05Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to Foundation cigars.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great. Um, but, but- I think what happened was, there was a lot of money and every one of those fucking people got paid off. I think it just went away, because there's, there's money. They, they came to these really rich people and they were like, "What, what's your, what's your privacy worth? What's your reputation worth? How about 10 million? How about 20?"

• 23:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the, the whole suspicion as to why the guy who was the CEO of Victoria's Secrets gave Jeffrey Epstein a fucking 60 million dollar mansion in Manhattan.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  And controlled his whole estate.

• 23:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then there was the other guy, who was some big CEO, who gave him 150 million dollars and had to resign.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:47Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of these guys resigned, um, money got passed around, and unbelievably, the client list has not been released.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  I know.

• 23:56Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's been years.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  He was very good at laundering money, I guess. And he was also-

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  Was he? Even though, I don't know what he really did. You know, the, the person do I trust about those things is, uh, Eric Weinstein. "Another Jew!"

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  Another brilliant Jew.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  I love Eric. One of my favorite people.

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  He's amazing.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:14Joe Rogan?

  Um, but when I talked to him about it, he actually met Jeffrey Epstein and he said, and Eric is just way too smart.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  You know, he's not a guy that you can fool.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Right. He was like, "This is a construct."

• 24:24Joe Rogan?

  Right away. That's what he said. He said, "This guy's a construct." He said, uh, that he had a woman, like a 21-year-old girl that was sitting on his lap, and he kept kinda like nudging his knee up and down to make her tits bounce a little bit. He kept doing that while he was talking to him. He was like, "What is this?" And he's like, "Also, this guy does not know what he's talking about when it comes to finances."

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 24:45Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, Eric's a legitimate genius.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 24:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, a mathematician. You can't lie to him about stuff like that.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  I'll tell you, his, his theory on, uh, on what he thinks this whole thing is, this whole, you know, "Ah, it's a simulation or whatever." You're here, he's, because you know, so, so Newton, there's Newtonian physics, right, which is this matter here, and then there's quantum physics, study of the electron that Einstein was the pioneer of, and blah, blah, blah. So Einstein was working on what's called a theory of everything, which was the bridge. How do you, how do you, because a lot of times the rules in this ether, in Newtonian, in the world- that we live in are different with when it comes to gravity and light than they are on a quantum level. So what is the bridge? How do we bring them together? How do we reconcile both realities?

• 25:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  So that's the theory of everything. So Eric is obsessed with that and kind of works on that.

• 25:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, he made his own theory of everything.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. So his idea is that maybe the singularity is already here and maybe we're already machines. And we are so so watch this. So we're already machines replicating better machines, better versions of ourselves. And it's kind of an interesting because because it kind of fold dovetails with Buddhism. Right? So watch this. I'm gonna do an experiment on you that that a Buddhist Rinpoche will ask somebody.

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  Should I get prepared?

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Get get get into Lotus, get into Lotus position. There it is. How? There it is. Dude, good breathing.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  I'm ready.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Good breathing.

• 26:08Joe Rogan?

  I was watching this guy.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  Too much yang energy.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Doing uh D M T breathing today on Instagram. He was explaining how to spike your D M T and communicate with entities. And he was saying how you you you you you compress your your balls and your asshole and all your sex organs. And then through your abdominals and you exhale all your breath.

• 26:32Joe Rogan?

  And then you breathe like this.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  And then you come?

• 26:39Joe Rogan?

  And you get that D M T flow.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Oh, is that what you get?

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Doesn't work for me.

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  It's not working with one.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Did he have a boner when he was telling you?

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, like, most of these things take a long fucking time and I'm busy.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  I'm busy, dude.

• 26:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm busy and I'm easily distracted. I have a lot of A D D.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  I'll just lick a toad.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's like.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  My buddy, my buddy did that shit. He did. He licked a toad. He did the toad thing.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the toad thing's odd.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  He called me up. He goes, everything's different now. I'm like, all right, calm down.

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  But that's five methoxy. That's five methoxy.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Have you done it?

• 27:06Joe Rogan?

  Dihydroxydylamethotriptyne. Yeah, allegedly.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:08Joe Rogan?

  Um, the thing about Kundalini yoga and all these different ways where you can uh achieve those states. Like Terrence McKenna had a great line about that. He's like, uh, one time, uh, the Buddha came to visit this town. And this monk came to the Buddha and he said, I have practiced a city of levitation for 10 years. And now I can walk on water. And the Buddha says, yeah, but the ferry's only a nickel.

• 27:36Joe Rogan?

  And that was McKenna's conversation.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  So great.

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  That was McKenna's take on,

• 27:39Speaker 01

  So good.

• 27:40Joe Rogan?

  Why would you do this when you could just take psychedelics?

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's so good.

• 27:45Joe Rogan?

  You don't really have to fucking meditate for 10 years, homie.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  You missed out on a lot of enlightenment while you're staring at a corner of the wall.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, you hear those guys a lot. That's kind of why, um, like Zen masters will say, I have nothing to teach you. Cause once you, the part of you, so the idea would be you can't improve yourself.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 28:05Speaker 01

  He goes, because the part of you that wants to improve yourself is the part that needs improving. So until you get out of, until you get out of your own way and you realize that you, this, this construct called yourself is an imagined construct. You've invented this. So like Sam, Sam Harrison, and he studies the Vedanta, right? So in his book, Spirituality Without Religion, he does, he does this experiment, which the Buddhists will, they'll have you do. They'll say, so you're watching me right now. I'm talking. Now, now there's this guy named Joe Rogan, okay? And we know Joe Rogan's got this. But for a second, try to locate where you really are. In other words, where are you actually listening to me from? Where are you? Where is the seat of your attention?

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Are you behind your face? Are you here? And if you try to do that, it's, it's kind of impossible to locate where you're hearing me from. There's this sort of echo, this idea that you're not your-

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  This is a lot of mental jerking off. I'm right here.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Sir.

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  I'm looking at you right here. I hear you. You know how I know I hear you through my ears? Cause if I plug this one up, it sounds different. And if I plug both of them up, I don't hear you at all.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  You're still attached.

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  I'm assuming the sound's coming in here. I'm right here. I'm talking to you.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  You're still attached to your physical self, sir.

• 29:19Joe Rogan?

  This is all like the children of rich kids who sit around pondering the universe.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Dude, this is Buddhism, man. Come on. You're not even a good student.

• 29:27Joe Rogan?

  They take a backpack and they go on a trek and they stay in hostels because they're amazing.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I turned, I turned to the other room. He's not ready yet. He's not ready. We have to break him down further. Yeah.

• 29:40Joe Rogan?

  No, there's something to that, all bullshit aside. Yeah.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  It's a really, it's a weird exercise.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Because, because the idea would be, you can observe your, your brain, so you can observe your thoughts, you can observe your, your body, and you can observe your emotions, you can actually step outside and watch that stuff. And they get really good at that, like, they get really good at realizing that you're not, you're none of those things. You might be the observer, whoever that is, or whatever that is. And that's kinda where they, that's a kind of an interesting exercise. That's why you see these dudes, who, that guy, that monk who set himself on fire, right? In nineteen sixty-three, that, that, right. Now, David Halberstadt from the New York Times said, he didn't make a sound.

• 30:18Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  They watched him. And he literally, they heard the air leave his lungs and he just fell over.

• 30:24Joe Rogan?

  So did the lady on the subway. She didn't make a sound either.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Well, she was also probably asleep or something.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  She was until she was lit on fire.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 30:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  So I don't know, but, but the idea would be-

• 30:33Joe Rogan?

  I've never seen anybody-

• 30:34Speaker 01

  He never moved.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  Burning, covered, engulfed in flames, he might not be able to talk. Do you know what I'm saying?

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he also didn't move, so he stayed there.

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  It was an incredible display of will.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  He left his body, he was watching himself, that would be the idea behind, that's what they would say.

• 30:47Joe Rogan?

  Or he, he had incredible discipline, and through insane pain, he sat there.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, have you, have you seen those videos, how about the, when the Indian Army went up, this is recent?

• 30:57Joe Rogan?

  That is such a fucking crazy photo.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Jamie, bring up the Indian Army.

• 31:00Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, pull that photo back again.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  It's incredible.

• 31:02Joe Rogan?

  Look how insane that photo is, that guy is just sitting there. Completely engulfed in flames.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  The way, the president of South Vietnam at the time, who was a staunch Roman Catholic, was treating Buddhists, and he said, please have some compassion, and lit himself on fire.

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ. Now, that's a good argument for celibacy, because if that guy's getting a lot of pussy-

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Well, that's right.

• 31:25Joe Rogan?

  He's not gonna light himself on fire.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Because you're attached to a sensation.

• 31:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  So they, they rid themselves of-

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  Looking forward to it again.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:30Joe Rogan?

  Looking forward to the titties in your mouth.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  I have a long way to, I have a long, if you burn me with this cigar, I'd be like, fuck it, you know? I can't, I can't do that.

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• 32:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think all those things are tools to try to break out of the ego, right? It's all, the problem that most people have is they think about themselves all the time. And the worst version of it is extreme narcissism, you know, and sociopathy. And then the best people are the people that think about others more than they think about themselves. Those are the people that we admire the most, the people that like genuinely think about other people.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 33:18Joe Rogan?

  A lot. I think one thing that I really genuinely do try to do is I try to not think about myself.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  I think about things that I must do. Uh, I do think about things that I don't like that I did. Like, I don't like how I handled that conversation. Maybe I could. Maybe I was coming in like a little hot. Maybe I was coming in at a five and I should have been at a two and maybe, maybe the reason why I became a, a, like a contentious argument was my fault.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  You know, and I'm.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Very good.

• 33:46Joe Rogan?

  I'm so much better at that than when I was when I was younger at like. I can have a conversation with someone that I vehemently disagree with and keep it very civil.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, when we were younger, both you and I, we start shouting our opinion.

• 33:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  It was about winning.

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  Also, we were all retarded.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  And we were young and stupid and we had bad role models. It was like, there's a lot of things going on there. You know, and like men would shut the fuck up. They like, men would talk like men and I also like. I grew up essentially feral. I, I, I didn't have any like normal structure.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  I feel like I did a little bit too.

• 34:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, you certainly did. You traveled all over the country, all over the world. You were in a boarding school when you were in high school. It's like.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Like thirteen, yeah.

• 34:25Joe Rogan?

  Like we talked, I remember talking to you about your life story. I'm like, you, it's amazing. You're not more fucked up. You should be like really fucked up.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  My aunt and uncle said, they go, we just can't believe you're not in jail or fucking on drugs. So, eh, you know.

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, you became the best thing for someone who's fucked up, which is a comedian.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  My parents were awesome though. They loved the shit out of me. So, that was a huge part of it.

• 34:42Joe Rogan?

  They're not bad. Look, it could have, my parents are nice too. It could have definitely been way worse. It's not their fault. They had a child in nineteen sixty-seven.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  And everybody was retarded back then.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  And their parents went through the fucking depression. So, everybody was just, it was a vile time.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:02Joe Rogan?

  With so many different aspects of our society with violence and crime and it was, you know, no one knew what the fuck was going on. They had just killed Kennedy. It was like, it wasn't a time.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  World War Two was fresh, true destruction.

• 35:20Joe Rogan?

  Vietnam was ongoing.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:22Joe Rogan?

  Right? So, it was a time of great confusion. And I don't think you could ever compare. It's like. And we go back and we think about things that happened in the year 1200. Like, oh, the barbaric conquests of cities and sacking of countries by the Mongols and all this crazy stuff. It's a different time. It's a different time. There's different people in a different time. Our parents grew up in a different time. We are growing up in the most strange time. Because this is like coming out of this barbaric sort of primal history and recognizing in some strange way that we're more connected than ever before.

• 36:07Joe Rogan?

  And the electronics are bringing us connected, but also disconnecting us at the same time. So there's this bizarre struggle for like interhuman communication and personal communication and like learning how to like in exchange ideas with people and talk to people in a civil way. While you're also, you're more informed than ever before. More informed on human behavior patterns and psychology. We're seeing it play out right before our eyes where you've had a total polar shift of some of the key tenants of the left and the right. Where the left is all for a war, the left is for censorship, the left is for whatever pharmaceutical drugs they're trying to push.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Top-down authority.

• 36:52Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Fidelity to authority too. Blind fidelity.

• 36:57Joe Rogan?

  Blind fidelity to authority.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  The left has also become very good at destruction in a lot of ways. I'm not saying the right doesn't have its problems, but the left has become, like you and I were talking about this. Like if you disagree with the left, they will come after everything. The right kind of goes, you're an idiot and they'll make fun of you and do a meme about you. But the left, you know, and that's, that's what I call the make or break machine. You know, if you look at, and this is one of the things I talk about with my specialists. You take Caitlyn Jenner who came out, Bruce Jenner has an operation for eight hours, comes as Caitlyn Jenner. A minute later, it was an eight hour, the first one was about eight hours on the face. Did a great job, by the way. By the way, how about this? Can I just say this?

• 37:40Joe Rogan?

  Don't say you'd fuck her.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Take it easy. But I'm just saying.

• 37:44Joe Rogan?

  Don't say it.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  I'm just saying.

• 37:45Joe Rogan?

  You're thinking of saying it.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  How about a little something for the surgeon? He should have won Artist of the Year. Bruce Jenner, 65-year-old man, looked like a 45-year-old woman, came out of it, but a minute later won Woman of the Year. Alright dude. Listen, we all have our taste, okay?

• 37:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I like forty-five-year-old ladies, that's why I'm looking at you this way. I like me a hot forty-five-year-old lady.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  I'm saying with makeup on Glamour magazine, look very good.

• 38:06Joe Rogan?

  Like a well-kept forties lady, goes to the gym, does squats, looking good.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  That's what I'm talking about, a real athlete.

• 38:13Joe Rogan?

  Hanging on because she wants to hang on.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Every bit of six-two, maybe six-three?

• 38:17Joe Rogan?

  When you're twenty-three, you don't even have to hang on, you're just there. You're perfect.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  That's why I don't take any advice on health from twenty-six-year-olds.

• 38:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, shut your-

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Should I eat more berries?

• 38:24Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fucking mouth. Shut your fucking mouth.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Come, get into my body for a second.

• 38:29Joe Rogan?

  With your hydrogen water, you shut your fucking mouth.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, fuck off, I gotta warm my feet up in the morning.

• 38:32Joe Rogan?

  You're twenty-four years old.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 38:34Joe Rogan?

  You were just born. You were just born a matter of months ago.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 38:37Joe Rogan?

  Shut your dirty mouth.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Correct. I'm calcifying, motherfucker. None of your shit's gonna help my calcification. I'm dying.

• 38:44Joe Rogan?

  I have arthritis.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  So do I.

• 38:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  So do I. I gotta warm my feet up before I get out of the car, okay? I have a whole thing about that, but, you know, that's the reality of getting older.

• 38:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're gonna be beat up, especially if you work out a lot.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:56Joe Rogan?

  There's just no if, ands, or buts about it.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:58Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to Ways to Well for keeping me glued together, though.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  I gotta get involved.

• 39:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta get involved. And get some peptides and all this stuff. I was talking to Zuckerberg yesterday, and he's like, he got his knee reconstructed. I said, "Did you get on any peptides?" He said, "No." I go, "Do you hate healing?"

• 39:13Speaker 01

  He looks great, by the way.

• 39:14Joe Rogan?

  He does, looks good. He's got a thick neck now.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  I know. He's got a thick neck, he's got a perm.

• 39:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  He's actually handsome, he's got a, he's wearing a jewel, he wears jewelry?

• 39:23Joe Rogan?

  Very expensive watch.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  He looks great.

• 39:25Joe Rogan?

  I looked at his watch, I was like, "That's pricey."

• 39:27Speaker 01

  How much was it?

• 39:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I'm not a real watch head.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  He doesn't look at prices, sir.

• 39:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he doesn't have to?

• 39:32Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:32Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Everything's free.

• 39:34Joe Rogan?

  He's like, "I'll take one of those, please."

• 39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:35Joe Rogan?

  Smiles.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:36Joe Rogan?

  "Thanks for your data." Smiles.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  I'm in the data-

• 39:44Joe Rogan?

  I like him, though. I like him a lot.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  I do, too.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  I really do. I've hung out with him, I've talked to him quite a few times. He's a good dude. He's a good dude with a very weird job, you know, being in control of, what did he say it was? Three-point-what-billion people use?

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  Three

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Well, I was telling you this.

• 39:58Joe Rogan?

  Billion fucking people use Facebook.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  I was telling you this the other day. I think his political transformation is interesting because now there's a cynical view.

• 40:06Joe Rogan?

  It's from jujitsu.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  I agreed. It, when you do MMA and you're around others, like men and you're out, your testosterone goes up, you start to feel your body. You put your hands on the world. You're gonna have a different perspective, for real. It's gonna change. It, it, it, they, they have done studies, I believe, Jamie, you can look it up, where, where, when they raise a man's testosterone, he becomes more conservative.

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Yes. Well, listen, man, and it's also a nice lesson to all those nerds out there that think they can never be a beast. It's not true. It's not true. You, you don't, you don't have to hate people that are like physically competent and formidable. You can be one of them.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:46Joe Rogan?

  And I always bring up Mikey Musumichi, just because he's awesome and he's a brilliant guy who's like, wears these thick glasses, always smiling. He could fucking kill everybody in the room.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 40:55Joe Rogan?

  Like Zuckerberg's on his way to becoming that.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:58Joe Rogan?

  You know, and he was, if you go back just a few years ago.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  He was a fender.

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  Nerdy guy, you know, who's like really smart, but not, not really physical.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  He spent his whole life up here. Now he's down here.

• 41:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's talking about it. He was talking about on the podcast yesterday that he loves training because it gives him a chance to express this side that has been demonized in our culture.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. His voice sounds different even.

• 41:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's good. He's becoming a man.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Well, fucking bro, men are raised by women, uh, in, in our schools and stuff and, and because of this, probably in the past thirty years, masculinity was always considered, was, was, they were taught, it's a liability, your aggression, your competitiveness, all that stuff. Sorry.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  Corporate environments, you know, which have really like put the brakes on masculine behavior. And we talked about that yesterday too, that like, that's actually in some ways a good thing because it gives women this opportunity to excel as well. You know, they shouldn't have to like become a man in order to get, you, you should, they shouldn't have that, you know, sexist perspective.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  Imposed upon them. And so, but it's like everything else. It's like an overcorrection.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, like you have things go completely this way and then they come back, like woke, like the woke ideology went so far right or so far left. Now it's kind of swinging back.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Well, the woke ideology had a major problem, which was it was reductive, right? It would reduce.

• 42:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  A complicated world to a binary world, which, which is ironic, by the way, but it would, it would say, sort of say. Um, I can solve all this. There are oppressors and oppressed. There's power and powerless. Uh, black and white.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Zero forgiveness. Don't apologize. They'll really crucify you.

• 42:35Joe Rogan?

  And you can't, there's no retribution. There's no way to come back.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  But my thirteen year old son, you can see these kids now at thirteen. Don't start talking to him about this shit because the, these kids are like, they've already been, they figured it out at thirteen. I'm telling you. My son was like, I don't feel, I don't like this shit. I want to do jujitsu and wrestle all the time. Fuck off.

• 42:54Joe Rogan?

  So podcasts.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They get to hear actual men who've made it through the maze and aren't a bitch.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:03Joe Rogan?

  And they go, hey, wait a minute. That guy seems really nice and having fun. And he's an actual man.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:08Joe Rogan?

  Like there's, there's real men out there.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Shit that's fun too. He's good at stuff, good at stuff.

• 43:12Joe Rogan?

  Has a good time. That's the point. Stop crying all the time. Why are we fucking?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Oversharing?

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Why are we promoting and prompting up people who fucking cry all the time? Listen, I cry, I cry, I cry if I'm happy. I cry if I'm sad. I cry when I think about my dogs that have died.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  I have a whole joke about that. It's like, I, there are a couple of things. My whole joke is this. I can't call my friends. I, I had this joke. I was like, if I call my friends and I'm like, I'm sad, my friends can go, you got, you got the wrong number, pussy. And it's like, Joe Rogan, that's a mean way to talk to me, you know? But it's true. I remember one time I called you. This fucking great. I called you and I remember I, my audition went bad. And it was like the third, I, I would get right there. I was about to, and back then, remember if you got a TV show, you, you, you, your money problems were gone for a while.

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  All I thought about was I, I get to drink great wine and buy a fucking house and take a minute, right?

• 44:02Joe Rogan?

  You're thinking of a nice car. Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Fucking called you and I go like this. I go, ah, fuck dude. I don't know. I was, I was good. And he goes, you can't be good. You gotta be great. I go, I know, I know, I know. I just, I, I don't know. I'm just, I don't know. I just can't, I can't figure it out. And I was bummed, right? And I was basically saying I'm sad and you fucking go, you go, yeah. And he goes, what do you want to do tonight? I go, I don't know. I just live down. He goes, hey, you'll be all right. Let's just fucking go out and eat and, and do something. You'll figure it out. Fucking relax. Don't, don't get all like mopey about this shit. I was like, okay. And that was it.

• 44:31Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people get mopey, man. I had a lot of friends that got. Super mopey when they didn't get things. So, think about the audition process. And I've always talked about this, that this is a part of the whole problem with the entire psychology of Los Angeles. Because a giant percentage of people at least had some way in the back of their head, some sort of an aspiration to try to get famous.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:51Joe Rogan?

  So, you move there, you have already an exorbitant need for attention. Because there's some hole in your past, that you're trying to fill up with, "I want to be a star."

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:03Joe Rogan?

  And I want to be so, and then you're going somewhere, so you have this need for acceptance. And then you're going somewhere where people judge you. And most of the time, judge you poorly.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:13Joe Rogan?

  Most of the time, they don't like you. So, most things you auditioned for, you don't get. And if you get one, oh my god, now I'm in. And so, now, these manipulative people that are in charge of casting you, they can essentially mold your personality based on what they want. If they want a left-wing personality, if they want you to be pro Kamala, and "we need a black woman president." They want you to say all the, "I took my eighth booster this morning." Like, I believe in science, you know? Love is love. Like, they'll turn you into that fucking thing.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  They'll turn you into that thing, because the entire place is about the golden ticket. Everybody wants the golden ticket. I was so lucky, because I never had any aspirations about acting. I had zero.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  I remember you called me. Do you remember you called me?

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  Let me just let me tell you the whole story behind it. When MTV, when I did the half-hour comedy hour, and then I got a development deal to do a sitcom, I had never taken a single acting class. And all of a sudden, I have this development deal. And I'm over there, and when the show that I was on got canceled, I was ready to go back to New York to be a comic again. I was like, "Fuck this place." But I bought off, I had a lease. I had a lease on an apartment for a year. I'm like, "Fuck."

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  So, I was stuck in this, I couldn't afford to not be in this, because now I wasn't getting $20,000 a week anymore. Whatever the fuck I was doing. I was like, "Holy shit." And I was ready to leave. And so, then, I get another development deal, and then I auditioned for the second show I ever do. I only had two auditions, ever. Hardball and news radio. And I'm on two TV shows. I'm like, this is crazy.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:52Joe Rogan?

  And so, I never went through that whole thing. I never went through that whole, this could change my life. My life was already changed. I didn't, none of it made any sense to me. I was making all this money. I had a Toyota Supra Turbo. I was like, this is crazy.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  I remember you bought that Acura, the new Acura.

• 47:09Joe Rogan?

  The NSX.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude.

• 47:10Joe Rogan?

  I loved it.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  You used to pick me up in that shit.

• 47:12Joe Rogan?

  It was like a little jet fighter car. I loved it. But it was just like, for me, it was all gravy. So I was watching everybody scramble for this thing and I was examining the psychology of it and how it affects everything. Because when people didn't get auditions, when they went on auditions, then you went out to dinner with them at night, they were so depressed.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  That would be me.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you all the time. You all the time. You wanted it so bad. I remember we were at the Comedy Store one night. And I remember telling you, like, why don't you just do stand-up? Why just throw yourself into stand-up?

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're so funny, dude. You're so good on stage, but when you get up there, sometimes you're just like, I feel like you're auditioning for a show.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:48Joe Rogan?

  That's what I felt like you were doing when you were doing stand-up.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  You didn't want to be crazy. But then offstage, you would say wild, you'd say silly things. You'd be like, much more vulnerable and ridiculous. And that was the funny Brian. I'm like, just throw yourself into this thing.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  You remember when I was doing that, I finally got my own show. I'm doing those shows. I was like, I fucking dude, I, I don't like this. I want to do stand-up. Now, now I told you, the cool thing about being 57, I'm enjoying stand-up more now than I ever have.

• 48:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're smarter now.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  And Dom Arriera said this to me years ago. He was like, Joe, you know, he was like in his 60s at the time. It's like, Joe, I've never been sharper than ever. You just keep doing it and you keep getting better. We're so lucky we're comics. We're so lucky. And he was. He was better in his 60s than he was in his, he was always great.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  In his 60s, hilarious.

• 48:36Joe Rogan?

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• 51:09Speaker 01

  Tom is the best, Tom. So did I. So did I.

• 51:11Joe Rogan?

  Did you?

• 51:12Speaker 01

  I was in college and I was at the Improv in New York and my father took me to, we sat there and watched Dom Herrera. And I remember that's why when I come off stage at the Laugh Factory and I was still a little in awe of Dom. And Dom goes, "Brian, come over here." And I was like, "Oh, maybe he's gonna give me some pointers," you know? And I go over there, I go, he goes, "You know what I love about your act?" I go, "What?" And he goes, "You don't go for the laughs."

• 51:40Joe Rogan?

  Dom's the best at that. The subtle diss, the comedy diss. I became friends with Dom. Well, I think I'd actually done an open mic night or two before I met him. But then I, or before I was paid to see him, rather. But then, not that long afterwards, so this is like four years later, like 92, I was working with him in Montreal. We did the

• 52:06Speaker 01

  That's intimidating.

• 52:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it wasn't though. He was super cool. Maybe it was a year after.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  He's a real comic, man.

• 52:11Joe Rogan?

  Real comic. So maybe it was 93. So maybe it was like five years later. So I'm like real raw in comedy, but I had my feet under me at that point in time where I had some material that could kill. Like I wasn't a really good comic, but I had a few jokes, especially sex jokes that were bangers. They were bangers. And so we did Montreal together and then I was in Amsterdam Billiards. This is in my almost became a professional pool player stage. Like if, if pool was a real career like golf, I would have become a pool player. I just loved it. I loved the pool halls.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  You're lucky you didn't get into golf, dude. You're a maniac. You're fucking crazy.

• 52:48Joe Rogan?

  But I loved the pool players. I loved the, this, the hang. They were just so different. They were outcasts and they were loose and fun and we said ridiculous shit to each other and everybody was laughing all the time. It was always fun. Um, and I saw us playing pool every night. And so, uh, I had a gig and, uh, before the gig, I think, or maybe after the gig, I went to Amsterdam. And, uh, Dom Arera pulls up and he's got his own cue. And I was like, Dom, you play pool? He's like, yeah, you play pool? I go, I fucking love pool. I go, let's play some pool. And he was good.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:25Joe Rogan?

  We, we were playing straight pool. Just like the type of pool they played in the movie The Hustler. Very rarely played in America anymore. But it's an amazing game. You play with a stack of fifteen balls. And you knock off one, the first break is like a safe break. And everybody moves balls around till someone makes a mistake and leaves an opening. And that guy smashes into the balls and then you run as many balls you can in order. So it's called fourteen and one.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  So it doesn't matter if it's solids or strips?

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  You leave fourteen balls on the table. And the one ball, like, you leave a break ball and then you rack the other fourteen. And so you shoot the break ball in, the idea is to collide your cue ball into the stack and keep running. So let me give a shout out to Jason Shaw, cause Jason Shaw, who's one of the best pool players on earth. One of the greatest of all time. He just broke the world record in straight pool this week. And I think, I think he ran eight hundred and thirty-nine balls. Jason with a Y, J A Y.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  He made eight hundred and thirty-nine?

• 54:23Joe Rogan?

  In a row.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 54:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's trying to get to a thousand.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 54:28Joe Rogan?

  So he got eight thirty-two. Eight thirty-two. So the record before was set by Willie Moscone. In like the sixties and it was on an eight foot table with big pockets. That was like five hundred and something balls. So he beat that. He ran seven hundred and fourteen balls. So that was the previous world record he also owned. And then he just ran eight hundred and thirty-two balls. When I tell you like the concentration involved in doing that, cause you're talking about hours of play. I mean, I don't know how many racks of fifteen balls is eight hundred and thirty-two. Someone do the math.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  I think when you do, I think when you get that good at anything, you learn about, you learn everything about life.

• 55:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a wizard.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  And about yourself.

• 55:10Joe Rogan?

  He is a wizard.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you, but I'm saying when you master something like that, I'm not saying your marriage is gonna be great. I'm saying when you master something like that, it's a, it's a very good way to really get to know yourself.

• 55:20Joe Rogan?

  Here's how great professional pool is right now. He doesn't even win most tournaments. That's, yep.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  Is there a nationality that dominates?

• 55:29Joe Rogan?

  Uh, no. Filipinos are among the highest level on earth.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Why, do you know?

• 55:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, because the GIs went there in the 1950s and they brought pool. And Filipinos learned how to play pool in very tough conditions because it's very humid over there.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck.

• 55:47Joe Rogan?

  So humidity affects the tablecloth. And the moisture in the tablecloth slows down the roll of the balls. And so you could take two approaches to that. You could either, um, hit the balls hard, which is like, uh, the American way to do it. Or the Filipinos learn to use the entire weight of the cue. And have an elegant, almost like artistic way of playing. They have the most beautiful strokes. Yes, they have the most beautiful strokes, especially at the time. So there was a guy who came over in the 1970s and his name was Efren Reyes. And he came over under the, the nom de plure, uh, Cesar Morales. And he was this Filipino kid.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Changed to a different Spanish name?

• 56:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, he went from Filipino to Mexican.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:33Joe Rogan?

  Because everybody would have known him.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:35Joe Rogan?

  If they had ever gone to the Philippines. Because in the Philippines, he was already robbing everybody. And like a legitimate wizard, a chess genius. And unbelievable, widely considered if not the greatest of all time. One of the, you know, it's like MMA, like is it Khabib, is it Mighty Mouse, is it John Jones? It's one of those deals. One of the absolute greatest pool players of all time. And then from Efren Reyes came all these other, this Filipino invasion. Where they were just dominating pool. Like, and big money. Like giant money games, half a million dollar matches.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 57:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, a ton of them.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  And when you, when you have a match, how many games are you playing?

• 57:15Joe Rogan?

  Depends. Some of these guys will play like a race to 120, whoever wins 120 games. And they'll play it over three days and they'll do it for a hundred thousand dollars.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Wait, a race 120 games?

• 57:25Joe Rogan?

  120 games of nine ball.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  That's a lot.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot. But that's really gonna find out who's the better player. So like, if you and I played 10 games. Maybe I'm a little better than you. You could win those 10 games. You could get on a roll. You could get a lot of rolls of the balls where I get safe a few times or I scratch on the break a couple of times. And so that's two more games that you probably maybe wouldn't have won if we were playing, you know, even. And you could win a race to 10. Like the, the odds of me winning a race to 10 if we were both, if I was just slightly better than you, it'd be like, you know, maybe 60, 40 or 55, 45, something like that. But when you get to a race to 120, then your odds dwindle. The better player always wins.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  That becomes a physical game too now. Now you're actually an athlete a little bit.

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, sort of. It's concentration for sure.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, but your body can't break down.

• 58:19Joe Rogan?

  No, your body can't break down. Those good, the best guys are all fit. You never got really big fatso's.

• 58:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:24Joe Rogan?

  That can handle. There used to be a guy.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  What I love about The Hustler, one of the great, greatest movies ever with Paul Newman, is when Jackie, um, what the fuck's his name?

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  Gleason.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Jackie Gleason said, it really came down to character. He, he washed his hands, washed his face and drew a blank and came back and beat him. That, that was a really interesting lesson for me as a young man.

• 58:46Joe Rogan?

  Guys really do that too. They clear their mind. They go in the bathroom, they throw cold water on their face, they wash their hands, they change their clothes. They just need something to break themselves out of it. It's a mental game. Like, you know, Jeremy Jones, who's another all time great, won the US Open, good friend of mine. We were talking about it. He's like, I think it's the most mental game in the world because it's not just about thinking about what happens. It's about execution under pressure. And then it's also about you're controlling the rotation of a ball. Like you, if you hit it this hard, it goes that far. But if you hit it this hard, it goes that far. And that's what you want. You want the difference between an inch and an inch and a half. It's crazy.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Everything, everything at the highest level is those micro adjustments.

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  The reason why Magnus Carlsen wins all those chess tournaments.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  When they say when, when Rafa Nadal is one of the greatest tennis players ever, when he won Wimbledon, they're all clapping. He comes in and the legend goes, I don't know if it's true, but I heard it makes sense. He, he's coming in and he's going like this. He goes, I, I think my grip, I, I think. I want to, he's not even paying attention. He's talking to his coach. I feel like my grip should be just a little bit like that. Or still making micro adjustments. You just won't.

• 59:52Joe Rogan?

  You have to.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  That's what makes them so good in the first place. I know guys who change their grip all the time in their queue. Like sometimes they'll grab it like this with two fingers. And then they change it and then they turn their wrist forward and they'll play for a year with their wrist forward. Oh, guys do weird shit.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Isn't stand up like, so I'm gonna shoot this special and I'm gonna throw it away. And I gotta start again.

• 1:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  And just because I've done five specials doesn't mean it's gonna be easier. It's gonna be a motherfucker. Cause I've gotta come up with, I gotta make sure I don't repeat myself. I gotta make sure I'm not.

• 1:00:21Joe Rogan?

  You gotta have something to say.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  You got something, something to say?

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  I took a whole month off of stand up after I did my special because I didn't have anything to say.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 1:00:28Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, I got drained doing that thing, especially doing it live.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:32Joe Rogan?

  This is so draining. Um, and then I was like, let me like, think about what I want to talk about afterwards, like, and then.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Do you have any ideas now?

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh yeah. I've got like 25 minutes now.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's good stuff. Like, it's fun.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Do you get tired? Do you ever get tired of talking to, do you ever get tired of doing this podcast, even though you have very interesting people?

• 1:00:53Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't. No. Oddly enough, at all the things in my life, this is the one thing that I, I kind of net. Well, first of all, I choose who goes on it, right? So I'm always looking forward to talking to those people.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  But, uh, I love talking to people, man. I, I like it. Like that, like the whole like moody loner thing, I don't get it. Like people to me are awesome. They're interesting. I like being inspired. I like being intrigued. I like trying to think about.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  Problem solvers on this podcast.

• 1:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:01:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, I've definitely gotten a unexpected education.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:25Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you go back and listen to me in 2009, when I started this thing, I was a retard.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  We all were.

• 1:01:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  I think what is interesting is we would, I'd have these opinions and I'd, I'd, I'd state these truths. And then like, somebody would Google it and be like, hey, hey dude, no. It's like I had this hilarious, fucking typical Brian Kellum. I'm talking about cows, grass fed, all this shit. Hey, hey, man, never been on a farm, okay? Never, never raised cows. The farmer goes, hey, I love your podcast. Brian's wrong about everything he said, but it's cool. I fucking emailed the guy back, you know, I'm talking to him. And he gave me an education. He's like, I mean, what you're saying is just not true when it comes to how you raise cows. And there was a thousand things, of course, I had no idea. That's the biggest liability, I think, in a lot of ways.

• 1:02:08Joe Rogan?

  You know who you should talk to? You should have Will Harris on your show.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  Who's that?

• 1:02:12Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Will Harris runs, um, this amazing farm in Georgia. Where it started out as a industrial farm that his family owned. And he converted it to regenerative agriculture over 20 years. And it took him forever to do it. What's the name of the farm again, James? White Oak Pastures. White Oak Pastures. And then there's Joel Salatin, who's a similar guy. Who, um, I think he was, they were talking about him having something to do with farming in the Trump administration. I don't know if that's come to pass. Uh, but if it does, I, I really do hope that he'll be involved. Cause he's another brilliant guy who, um, runs a regenerative farm.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Farm, farming's no joke.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  And what they do is essentially their type of farming is recreating nature. So they just contain nature. Instead of like having people, you know, shuttle all these cows into these stalls and put a fucking trough in front of them and like, no, these, these animals graze out in the field. They just control where they go. And they eat what they normally would eat. And they make sure that they get plenty of new ground. So they move them to new ground when they've used up all the grass. They push them over there and then the chickens do the same thing. They, they have a chicken coop that's a mobile chicken coop. They push it out, they open it up, they run around. And then he's dealing with like hawks killing his chickens. So he's gotta come up with ways to mitigate the hawks.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is like Mike Cathcartwood, you know, Mike? Great guy. Do you know Mike Cathcartwood? He was on, uh, uh, Love Line.

• 1:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, yeah, I know Mike.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  And he lives in Austin, so he-

• 1:03:41Joe Rogan?

  What do they call it? What's his, his name on the radio show?

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Psycho Mike Cathcartwood. So Mike gets, Mike comes down with his, his wife, who's an actress and they're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be in Austin on the outskirts and I'm gonna, I wanna live on a farm.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Did he move here?

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a kid from, from LA. He goes, I get here and we got guinea fowl. We got little sheep. We got, you know, rabbits. We got, and fucking the snakes are eating all my eggs. The guinea fowl are getting decimated by coyotes, foxes, wherever the fuck it lives out there.

• 1:04:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  I mean, everything's dying. Coyotes, I'm just getting decimated by hawks coming in. I'll take, I'll take your bunnies. That's adorable. You think you can raise bunnies? So they're just getting decimated. Guess what they did? What's the one change they made?

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  What'd they do?

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  They got two Anatolian shepherds.

• 1:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  And, bro, he said, even the fucking snakes are on those. He's like, those fucking dogs are just like, coyotes? Excuse me, sir?

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  That's what they, that's what they were bred for.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. And they're not pets, not indoor pets.

• 1:04:40Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Those fucking things will just patrol your grounds and anything on four legs is gonna pay a very dear price.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Good.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  I want four of them.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, they don't fuck around.

• 1:04:49Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna buy a ranch.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  Are you?

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:04:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. I've been talking about it for a while.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  You're gonna live on it?

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Just waiting for the maybe, but at the very least, we're gonna put the podcast on the ranch.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:05:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Cause I wanna have a ranch.

• 1:05:02Joe Rogan?

  I also wanna have a big piece of land in case things go sideways. Where, um, I can have like a whole community on a ranch. This is where I start my cult. I'm gonna have, just let people build on the ranch, like, give them a few acres.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  I got some kids. I wanna come out.

• 1:05:16Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying. Like, imagine if you have like a 2,000 acre property and on that 2,000 acre property, there's like a literal community of you and your friends and you can go hunt on the land.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Joe Rogan?

  And then there's water, there's a lake there.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  Count me in. I'll wear a tweed jacket. I'll smoke cigars. I'm not gonna do any of the work, but I'll, I'll supervise.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Do any of the work.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Boy!

• 1:05:35Joe Rogan?

  There's no need for that.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  Go and take care of that hay.

• 1:05:37Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a crazy dream, like, it's a crazy idea to do, but isn't everything a crazy, like, coming here is a crazy idea.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Building a mothership is a crazy idea.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  But what if you had out like a, a big pond with fish?

• 1:05:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  So you can fish?

• 1:05:51Joe Rogan?

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• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  You had land you can shoot your own?

• 1:08:29Joe Rogan?

  Let me tell you about freshwater fish.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 1:08:32Joe Rogan?

  Can't eat a lot of them.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Because of poison.

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of mercury in freshwater fish.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was a dude who...

• 1:08:41Joe Rogan?

  What did he win? He won some big fishing derby. He was a big time fisherman. He started getting with some weird neurological condition. And it turned out it was because he was just eating freshwater fish all the time in some lakes. So you gotta think about rainfall. Like you remember when we were younger, acid rain, everybody's worried about.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Oh, it went away. I don't know, it went away. But the thing about it is like pollutants in the air.

• 1:09:08Joe Rogan?

  When the rain comes down, it does bring all that shit into the water and then it stays in that water. You know, so if you've got a lake and that lake gets drowned on with pollution rain, you're gonna have a certain amount of toxic elements. That are gonna be in that water.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, mercury is not good for your body.

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you Google how much, oh, Jamie's already on it. Eating one freshwater fish equals a month of drinking forever chemicals water.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  Well, that's a problem. No more trout for me.

• 1:09:36Joe Rogan?

  See, that's the problem. These forever chemicals. PFAS found at high levels in freshwater fish with most concern for vulnerable communities. So like, this is a good point about the vulnerable communities because I was filming a TV show once in Detroit. And we were on the banks of this river that was fucking clearly polluted. And there was all these really poor people who were on the banks of that river that were fishing for food.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  And not just a few, like quite a bunch of people that were trying to get their dinner on that river. And you know, people that really, they needed that for food. They looked real poor and you know, there was a white, black, all kinds of different nationalities, Asians. And a lot of people, and I was like, whoa, like Detroit is, at least was in 2012 when I was filming this thing, was fucking scary. Like, when you realize how a city, which was one of the richest cities in the country. Thereby one of the richest cities in the world in the 1950s during the, the peak of the automotive industry. And then to see it just decimated.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Decimated.

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  And these people were just, and I was like, oh my God, they're gonna eat these fish. And then I thought, oh my God, they have to eat these fish.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Well, that was the great migration, right? So from the south, the black, a huge number of black people went up to Detroit looking for jobs. And the problem was when they got to there, first of all, the auto industry started to get decimated because it started to move toward Japan and different countries, but also. In the, in, in, I can't remember, see when the Great Migration was, it was before that.

• 1:11:06Joe Rogan?

  I feel like everything started fucking up in the seventies.

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  Well, they, they had jobs and there was a whole thriving community. But what really what happened also was that the Auto Workers Union, I'm sorry, but it kept black people out of it. There's a lot of racism that went on. So a lot of people couldn't find jobs.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  The Great Migration refers to a large-scale movement of approximately six million African-Americans from the rural south to urban areas of north and west beca- uh, between roughly nineteen sixteen and nineteen seventy, driven primarily by the desire to escape racial violence, pursue better economic opportunities, and access improved education in the north.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Uh, escaping Jim Crow laws, yeah.

• 1:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  Didn't work out.

• 1:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, it did, I mean, and maybe in a way it did, because they thrived in those areas where they probably wouldn't have.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Well, it was like the Puerto Rican exodus from Puerto Rico to New York. They went up there looking for manufacturing jobs, then the manufacturing jobs coincided with moving south. So you had this massive number of people who didn't have anywhere to go.

• 1:12:02Joe Rogan?

  In the early nineteen hundreds, many African-Americans migrated north to work in Detroit's booming industries. Yet they rarely saw the benefits. Many white neighbors actively denied African-Americans access to decent living conditions and job opportunities.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  There it is.

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  A lot of darkness and all that stuff.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  There is.

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  But the city that's left over now, um, you know, you've seen Roger and Me, right?

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Joe Rogan?

  Michael Morris film, which is like, I think his best one. It's like when he was pure.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, he wasn't like ideologically captured and editing things for effect. He was pure.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  That was a bummer. I saw that he started doing that.

• 1:12:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It is a problem, um, because then it makes you question everything else.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Well, the, the, the, the biggest thing that, every mainstream publication is in crisis, and I think they've earned it, they've deserved it. The New York Times still makes money, but primarily not because of their articles that people read. It's primarily because they're crosswords, they're, they're puzzles. But, you know.

• 1:13:02Joe Rogan?

  Burtle.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but when you take things out of context and you have journalists that are twenty-six years old and have an ideological bent. Um, people just, you know, the rest of us are going, the news doesn't reflect the world I live in. Whatever the fuck you're saying, I don't know who this is. I don't even, I've never seen this. I live in a very different world. And it's gonna be interesting to see. I, I, I think there's a liability though, where podcasts take the place of mainstream media in some ways. Because then you have somebody who's very good at talking for three hours. And they, they can really sway a lot of people, but that's one side of their story. So now you have just that. So you have to be careful because sometimes it could just move things over here where, again, the truth is somewhere in the middle a lot of times.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Or it's more nuanced, or there's just more to know.

• 1:13:48Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely more nuanced. I think, uh, there's always gonna be a real problem with people that don't really know what's going on, say they know what's going on.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:57Joe Rogan?

  When they say they know what's going on, it confuses everybody and fucks everything up. And it's another version of gaslighting. So CNN and, you know, MSNBC, they gaslight you. They gaslight you and they, they, they actively promote propaganda and narratives that are not objectively true. And the problem on the other side is if you are in opposition of that and you say you know this and you know that, but you really don't. Like you gotta be real clear with what you say. They have, people have to really be able to try, like if you don't know, you have to say, ooh, I didn't know that. You have to say that.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:38Joe Rogan?

  If you do not say that, no one is going to listen to you anymore, and they shouldn't.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Because the difference between someone who's completely independent and a podcaster and someone who's on CNN should be that no one is telling you what to do. So what is your ethical compass?

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  What's the evidence too?

• 1:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Right. What's the evidence? But also, what's your ethical compass? Are you trying to win and be correct? Or are you trying to find out what's going on?

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Well, it's also about ratings. Right?

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  It is, but it's not. Yeah, but it's not, because I don't think about ratings.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  No, you don't. I'm saying-

• 1:15:12Joe Rogan?

  But that's why I have them.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:15:14Joe Rogan?

  See what I'm saying? Like, it's not about ratings.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:15:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, ratings come if people believe you.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you sit around thinking about the ratings, do you think you would be on?

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  No. What do you mean?

• 1:15:27Joe Rogan?

  You be on this show right now.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like saying things. Yeah, how'd that come across? Can we do that again? Let me do that again. You didn't even get it. You didn't even catch it. Oh, you fucker. Oh, wait a minute. Hey, you motherfucker. You saying that Mark Zuckerberg and Mel Gibson get better ratings than me?

• 1:15:44Joe Rogan?

  Occasionally. Occasionally, they do.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  You fuck.

• 1:15:47Joe Rogan?

  The guy like talking to everybody. I don't, I genuinely don't give a fuck like how the show's gonna do. I don't think you can. I think if you do that, it'll distort what you do. And I think we've all seen people who fall victim to what they call audience capture. You know, they start getting a crowd like, you see with a lot of guys like online, they start saying like a lot of wacky right wing things. And everybody like, yeah, finally someone's telling the truth. And then they become just like a fucking nibble and dime version.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  My compass for that is this. Whenever I hear somebody say on a podcast or whatever, when they say, you guys, all those people over there are wrong. I'm, I'm the one whistleblower. I figured out, I'm the one. Now, you do have mavericks, but I always am weary of when I hear somebody go, all that, the entire medical establishment is wrong. And I'm right. And I go, mm, I don't think so. I think it's way, I, I, I just don't think you know enough. I don't think you as one person, I'm not gonna just put all my bags. Um, there is something called a scientific consensus. Sometimes that can be a bullshit consensus. We can be told, we can be told the climate scientists all agree. It's not true. It's just how you get funding. So sometimes the incentive structures are there.

• 1:16:58Joe Rogan?

  And the same with the medical establishment.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Correct. Let's just be a little bit, let's be a little bit more, you know.

• 1:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't say you know things. Cause I've heard people who are those kind of people say they know things about me.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:09Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh, you know, that you can't use your phone on his show. I've heard people say that like confidently.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, the CIA is right behind that door though.

• 1:17:17Joe Rogan?

  Say that he's handled by the CIA. Listen, Mike Baker is my friend and I'm pretty sure he's still in the CIA. I like him. I like him. I have him on because like here's a guy who was a CIA operative, like, let me ask this guy how, and I really do believe he's a patriot. And I really do think he's a great guy. And I think there's a lot of them and I don't believe cops are bad and I don't believe any of that bullshit. I think there's bad people in every fucking business. There's a lot of comedians that I think are rotten cunts.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  I don't like them.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:17:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, but it doesn't mean I hate comedians. I love comedians.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:51Joe Rogan?

  But there's some comedians that fucking suck.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:17:53Joe Rogan?

  And if you encounter those comedians and that's your only exposure to comedians, you're gonna think, oh my god, these guys are all selfish assholes and narcissists and they rob people and...

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Joe Rogan?

  No, it's just a few. There's just a few of those.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  I also know some CIA people, like real CIA people, and you talk to them and it's like, they're always like this. They're always like, dude, I wish we were as competent as people say. I mean,

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  if you were involved in it.

• 1:18:15Joe Rogan?

  Talk to Evan Hafer. Like, he was one of my best friends.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  I had breakfast with him today.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  Love that guy.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  I love Evan.

• 1:18:19Joe Rogan?

  To death and he's flying out here to see your special.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  He's coming tonight, coming to my show, yeah.

• 1:18:22Joe Rogan?

  I love him.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just said this to him today.

• 1:18:25Joe Rogan?

  That was his business for a while.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  I know a bunch of those guys.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:18:29Joe Rogan?

  And you need them. You need them. You wanna know how the real world works? The real world works? Talk to Evan. Have a conversation with Evan.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  Andy Stone, same thing.

• 1:18:38Joe Rogan?

  Same thing.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  I said to him, I go, I went to his wedding and I loved everybody there because they were all his closest friends. Evan was there and stuff and I just, that was the first time I met Evan and and I'm just talking to these tier one guys and they just seemed so intelligent and they were so, and they were, and John Dudley was there and a lot of like great guys. But I'm talking to some pretty cool people, right, who have done a lot with their life and they were well-rounded and everything else. And I said, man, I just think it'd be so fun to be in that, in a tier one unit because they're just all so, they're so smart and they're just, they just have such a wide breadth of knowledge. And he goes, god, you're so fucking wrong.

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  That's Andy.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Andy's the best.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Andy had one of the quickest paths to black belts I think I've ever seen.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Oh, is he a black belt now?

• 1:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Well, he lives with a black belt instructor.

• 1:19:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  When your wife is a black belt, you better get your fucking Ps and Qs in order, son.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  You better dot your i's, cross your t's.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  That dude is so fucking smart. He's another guy who's very smart.

• 1:19:34Joe Rogan?

  Genius, but also obsessive. Like, he got obsessive with bow hunting, became very proficient at bow hunting very quickly. And then, you know, living with a black belt, though, is what a... Huge advantage. You can just drill with your wife.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Also SEAL Team Six guy, so he's got some physicality.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  Also kinda hot, you know, your wife's strangling you every day, like kinda hot, you know? And she could probably kick his ass in the beginning.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Leah Leah is built like a true athlete.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  You cannot be light in the ass.

• 1:20:01Joe Rogan?

  Super smart, too.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Super smart, which like I think most black belts are. I think it's just, there's too many things you have to consider to get that good at jiu jitsu. There's so, there's.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  It's infinite.

• 1:20:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you could be a brute and just brute strength your way through a lot of it and, you know, be kinda halfway dumb. And get to black belt, maybe.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  My only regret is not, uh, not going down that rabbit hole. I, I, I, I'm, I train now.

• 1:20:26Joe Rogan?

  I wake up every morning going, ah.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  You don't train much anymore, right?

• 1:20:32Joe Rogan?

  No, I want to though. This is the thing, I'm trying to rehab my fucking knee. My knee is the thing that's keeping me from doing it right now. I twisted it when I was hunting this year. Pretty bad.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  My joke is, it happened to me the other day. I, I trained at this, uh, this in, in Nono's MMA, who I, I love it down in, uh, Hermosa. And, uh, I, I, I love doing it, but I, of course, I'm rolling with a 26 year old and I'm like, let's go. And of course I'm 57 and I see his ankle. Don't give me your ankle, bro. I'm an ankle guy. I pick his ankle, drive him to the ground, walk and poke that ankle up. I'm back, I'm back, bro. I'm a wrestler. High school.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  How tired you get?

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  High school dude, had trouble looking left for 11 days. All right? Fucking worth it.

• 1:21:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, you gotta, when you're old, you gotta roll in a different way. You gotta roll, like, roll with John Jock Machado. Okay, John Jock Machado, who, uh, was, you know, my instructor since 1998. John Jock is still rolling and still dominating black belts on the mat.

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  When John Jock rolls, he never moves fast. There's no fast.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:33Joe Rogan?

  His knowledge is so wide. His understanding of Jiu Jitsu, he's talking to you, Joe Hogan, Joe Hogan, I'm about to pass you. Oh god, like he's talking shit to you.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Does whatever he wants.

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  But it's smooth and slow and because of that, he does not get hurt.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, he's had a few injuries over the year, but when it talk, when you, you, you deal with like high level black belts who roll on a consistent basis and Jean Jacques in his 50s now, he is not hurt. He's still like, looks fantastic. He's like filled with energy, trains all the time.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, sometimes I'll train, I'll train with.

• 1:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Do that ape shit that you did when you were 23, like, "Wah, fucking wrestler."

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  I, I don't get, I don't get hurt when I'm rolling with somebody who's really good. Yeah, fuck that.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't be that guy. You gotta like, you know, you gotta move slow.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Joe Rogan?

  Slow and strong.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  I like to talk shit to guys who are way better, that's fine.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Then you gotta be flexible. That's the other thing. You gotta really work on your stretching and your flexibility. You have to maintain your mobility. I was watching Armon Sarukyan, who's fighting Islam Makachev, uh, for the lightweight title next weekend.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Monster.

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  And he was doing this mobility and flexibility routine. You're like, this is insane. He's so jacked and so mobile, like more than I think anybody I've ever seen.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  Well, part of that also, I think that one of the, people don't talk about this, I think the Dagestanis, the Russians, like Murab.

• 1:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Look at that dude.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 1:22:55Joe Rogan?

  That's the dude who's fighting for the lightweight title. And by the way, they fought a few years back and it was, god damn, son.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  I thought I was, I thought I was straight this whole time. Holy shit.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  That dude isn't even flexing right there.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  That's a good looking man. I mean, that's a strong man is what I meant.

• 1:23:09Joe Rogan?

  Good looking and strong.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  God, I'm gay.

• 1:23:11Joe Rogan?

  Correct on both?

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  Jesus. What a monster.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, homeboys, fucking jacked, super skillful.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  I think his coach is a gold medalist, uh, Olympic wrestler. Here's the thing about those guys. I think one of their advantages that nobody talks about is that when you get a guy like Khabib, you get these Dagestanis, you get these Russians, these, these Armenians and stuff. They've been training probably since they were six.

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  And, and so what happens is your tendons and everything gets really, really strong. And also, if you ever watched like Alexander Korolen, the way they would warm up.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Those guys, like Korolen could do a backflip, go splits and all that. Those guys, the way they warm up was, it was scientific.

• 1:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  And, and so, because they knew that the micro damage that happens and so they would, they would strengthen all the connective tissue first. And I think a lot of times like guys like Murab, guys like, um, uh, Nirmat Umar, since they've been training so long, their bodies are different, they feel different, they are different, they're more rugged, so they don't get injured, they don't deal with injuries. Then one of the biggest things that is hard for a lot of deaths-

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  They all get injured.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  They might get injured, I think they get injured less.

• 1:24:18Joe Rogan?

  They probably do.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Or they train, they train differently.

• 1:24:21Joe Rogan?

  You're definitely right that their bodies are stronger-

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  -because they've been doing it since they were younger, and that they get developed in that way.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  But they're all, the opposite is true with striking, like, not the opposite, but it's also true with striking, that if you start striking when you're in your 30s, you're never gonna catch Floyd Mayweather.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Never.

• 1:24:38Joe Rogan?

  You just-

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  You need that radar.

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, you need that, your body needs to be sort of like, developed to strike.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you also have to be, like, if you look at the boxers, like, if you look at Floyd Mayweather, his father and his uncle said to him, like, they knew, they were like, boxing is just as much about not getting hit. Like, you can be great and everything else, if your emphasis isn't on every time you throw, you gotta be in a position where you're not gonna get hit. Every time you step, custom auto was that way too. Every time you throw, you step.

• 1:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  And, and, that huge part of that is, it was all a foot game. And all of that is, if you haven't been trained properly, as you're learning how to box, you're gonna get, take a lot of damage.

• 1:25:18Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  And you're fucked. You're fucked after a while. And if you look at those really good coaches, those old guys, Eddie Futch, who taught, who would teach the jab, your hand was here. Because instead of here, you were, you were taking shots, you would be here. So if you watch him fight with Ken Norton, when he fought Ali, he said, "When you fight Ali, Ali's here when he, when he jabs, he's doing this. I want your hand here." So you can see Norton catching Ali's jab, and then boom, answering back and catching Ali in the face. Those little details make, like, literally all the difference in whether you box five more years, or if you're done five years earlier.

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, the best example's Floyd, right? Because he got hit less than anybody ever.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  I can count him on my hand.

• 1:25:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you wanna say, like, who's the best boxer of all time, I always say Floyd because-

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:26:04Joe Rogan?

  -he got hit less than anybody, and that's the whole thing. And by the way, didn't have the kind of power that any of these other guys had. Didn't have that, like, that Roy Jones Jr. power-

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  When he was younger, he was a power puncher, but-

• 1:26:11Joe Rogan?

  But he broke his hands a bunch- That was part of the problem and but even then like he wasn't a robust guy.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  You know, so he just.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  Wasn't germane, I mean, what's his name, Trevante Davis or anything?

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Well, that's a great example of a guy which is preposterous power. You know, just preposterous power. Did you see Arthur Betterbeef? Who is fighting Dmitry Bivol?

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  He did a hammer workout on a tire where he hit a tire for an hour.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  He did?

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  An hour.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:26:41Joe Rogan?

  He hit a tire for an hour with a sledgehammer.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  His Dagestanis are made of different fucking.

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  He's Chechen.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Is he Chechen?

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  But same shit.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Mountain people.

• 1:26:48Joe Rogan?

  Hamzat Chamayev, savage people.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  And he's the one of the scariest boxers of all time. The only fight that he had as a professional that went the distance is Bivol.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  The only fight.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  And did you see when Bivol would have his hands up?

• 1:26:59Joe Rogan?

  He was 19, no, with 19 knockouts. That's fucking insane.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  When you have your hands up with him, he'll still concuss you.

• 1:27:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  He hits that hard. Shit, just basic two, like ones and twos, maybe a hook once in a while.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  There's a great video where this boxer who was, you know, world-class boxer, who's a professional, got brought in to box Bitterbeef. And his coach said to him, just do your best. He's like, do my best? Do my best? What the fuck are you talking? Do my best? I'm gonna fuck this dude up. And he goes, and he hit me, the first time he hit me. It was like nothing I'd ever experienced in my life. Like, it was almost like my body left me and I was like standing there all.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  That's your job, dude.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Betterbeef is hitting people too like this.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  It's all short. Everything is short and it's just thunderous power.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  But they'll hit your arms.

• 1:27:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  He'll break your arms down and then by so round five, enjoy that shit.

• 1:27:49Joe Rogan?

  Canelo does a lot of that. He does a lot of that. He smashes guys' arms.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  I think the best boxer.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  Shell up with him.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:55Joe Rogan?

  You don't want that guy punching your arms. Well, I've always said that about, look at, look at his workouts with his wrists and fists.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's ridiculous.

• 1:28:00Joe Rogan?

  And this is his warm-up. Betterbeef is one of the craziest specimens because he's almost 40 years old too. So he had this endurance fight with Bivol. So it's 12 rounds of super high pace.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Joe Rogan?

  Very endurance-heavy and he was the one that was dominating at the the last round.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Correct. Correct.

• 1:28:19Joe Rogan?

  That's February 22nd. I'm fucking pumped for that fight.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  They're gonna fight again?

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. It's the rematch. I'm very pumped for that fight because Bivol is so goddamn good too. What he did to Canelo, like no one's ever done that Canelo.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  I think the best fighter, I I think you can make an argument for certainly top three fighters of all time.

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• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Is Usik.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  I think he's incredible.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Incredible.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  I mean, I've watched every one of his fights. That dude is on such a different level.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  He's smaller than everybody.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  He's fighting giants.

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  He's fighting giants.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  When you're fighting a guy who's 60 pounds heavier with 10-ounce, 12-ounce gloves, it makes such a world of difference.

• 1:30:03Joe Rogan?

  Especially when the guy is fucking Anthony Joshua, you know?

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  But please understand, Usik fought at, I think, 75 when he started out. He's not a big frame guy.

• 1:30:12Joe Rogan?

  He's like 225, 230 as a heavyweight.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  220, not even 230.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not big, not big, man. By the way, that was Tyson's weight when he was in his prime, too.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  There's something to be said for that because a 220-pound man like Mike Tyson can knock out any human being that's ever lived. The amount of power he can generate is insane. So then you have the speed of being only 220 pounds instead of 290, you know? Or like, remember when Andy Ruiz fought Joshua the second time and he got real fat?

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  So sad.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:42Joe Rogan?

  Because like you had a real chance of like carving out a legacy. The, the knockout in the first fight was fucking huge.

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, he has speed.

• 1:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Louis is surprised the shit out of you.

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  His fucking boxing combinations are so fluid. He punches like a middleweight.

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is he a bronze medalist?

• 1:30:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I think he is. I think he is. I think he did medal in the Olympics.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  Great boxer, very, very skilled boxer.

• 1:31:03Joe Rogan?

  Super nice guy too. When he came on to the podcast after he beat Joshua, he had a fucking diamond across his watch. He came in with a Rolls Royce.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  He did?

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  I was like, let's go. Let's go, Andy. Let's go. I like it.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  We gotta get you an accountant though. Don't spend too much of your money on that.

• 1:31:17Joe Rogan?

  And probably don't get to 280 pounds.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Joe Rogan?

  The problem is then all of a sudden you're a superstar and you're partying and you're having cervezas and hanging with the boys and...

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  I think there's also, you've gotta, you've gotta take the responsibility on of being a champion. It's hard to hold that. It's one thing, it's like starting a business. You can get, you can get people to know about your, your business. It's running a business is very different. It's a little bit like you're getting the belt and staying, staying champ.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Maintaining champion. I remember Matt Hughes when BJ Penn beat him. He told me, he goes, honestly, Joe, it's a weight off my back.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:31:49Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, really? And I was like, it makes sense though, cause he was just smashing everybody and he was the person that everyone was chasing.

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:56Joe Rogan?

  And it's like, gotta fucking weigh on your psyche.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  That's why John Jones to me is just incredible.

• 1:31:59Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie? He didn't win?

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  He lost in the qualification tournaments for the Olympics.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  Oh, he didn't go to the Olympics. Okay.

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  But he did win a bunch of other stuff.

• 1:32:07Joe Rogan?

  Uh, he represented Mexico in the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games qualification tournaments, losing to, oh Cuba.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Cuba, man.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  You ever watch Hell of a Test Train?

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  The Cubans are amazing because they, they don't hit mitts. Like you'll, you'll have a guy and they just move and move and move and, and once in a while the coach will lift a glove. About one shot. You know, move and move and move. It's all footwork. It's all footwork. You throw one punch, you know, every...

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  They, they like the Russians developed a very technical and very technique oriented way of combat sports. It's why the Russians were so good at Olympics, at, at wrestling rather, because they were so technical where the Americans would just try to work harder than everybody else.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:45Joe Rogan?

  And the Russians like figured out like, no, there's a time you work hard and there's a time you recover and you... You have to have active recovery and they got real scientific about their physical training. Real like, uh, Dan Gable, when he did the podcast, explained to me how he learned, uh, sauna. From the Eastern Bloc.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:33:02Joe Rogan?

  He's, they started incorporating sauna. He's like, this is another added element that raises your endurance.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Because they would train hard and then after training, you sit in that sauna for 20 minutes at 190 degrees, man. Your heart is hammering. So you're getting static cardio. Also, it has an EPO like effect where it's like a mild dose of EPO. It raises your red blood cells.

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:33:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. My endurance is raised significantly when I started.

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  What about cold plunges? There's, that's controversial still, right?

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, cold plunges is not controversial in terms of the way it makes you feel. Okay. So the psychological benefits of the increase in dopamine levels and norepinephrine, that is a hundred percent established.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  I felt that.

• 1:33:44Joe Rogan?

  I think that is one of the most powerful aspects of the cold plunge. Also, what's been established is that when you do the cold plunge before exercise, it raises testosterone. So there's something about doing the cold plunge and then forcing your body to heat up. Through a warm up and then going through your workout that raises testosterone for people.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  And there was a study that was done where it showed this guy went from having an extremely low. Uh, testosterone level to having a testosterone level where his doctor thought he was juicing.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  All he changed was he started doing cold plunge.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  Putting your body under stress?

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  Put your body under stress. It's not good after workout.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  No, because you want hypertrophy and you want muscles to grow and strengthen. And part of that growth and strengthening is inflammation. So that inflammation is actually good.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Heat, on the other hand, is good after workouts. So it's good for the effect of, uh, it raises your red blood.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  So that's interesting. So Dan Gable said he would do a sauna after working out because it raised his endurance.

• 1:34:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it raises your endurance and the, the Eastern Bloc athletes already knew that. Fedor was famous for using sauna.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Fedor would use sauna and cold plunge. So they use hot and cold therapy. So, um, Huberman recommends. Doing that once a week and what you do is you go back and forth and back and forth. You always finish on cold though. Always allow your body to reheat itself up. Don't finish on sauna. So you would do cold plunge or sauna, cold plunge, sauna, cold plunge. However, many cycles you want to do it, but he said that raises your human growth hormone level.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  The Swedes do that. I did that in fucking Sweden where I was with all these Vikings. It's fucking so funny.

• 1:35:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, the Finnish studies on sauna are amazing. What it's shown, these are long-term studies over 20 years. It shows that people who took the sauna four days a week for 20 minutes at a time at 175 degrees. Had a 40% decrease in all-cause mortality compared to their peers. 40% decrease in all-cause mortality. Heart attacks, stroke, cancer. 40% decrease because the heat shock proteins, the stress on your body, it makes you more resilient. It makes you more vibrant. You have more energy and you have less inflammation after it's over.

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Your body produces those heat shock proteins. You feel amazing when you get out. You feel loose and relaxed.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  You have a sauna here?

• 1:36:05Joe Rogan?

  I have a sauna everywhere. I don't fuck around dude. I even have a portable sauna that I bring with me. It's like a blanket sauna. That's one of our sponsors. What's that called?

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  I'll hug you.

• 1:36:14Joe Rogan?

  What's that blanket sponsor sauna called? Find that sucker.

• 1:36:18Speaker 01

  I have to pee.

• 1:36:18Joe Rogan?

  It's really good. You gotta pee? Pee right now?

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  I'll pee.

• 1:36:20Joe Rogan?

  We'll pee right now. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  There's a scene in a book called Blood Meridian. Where the guy chops a dude's head off with that fucking knife. Let me see that bowie knife.

• 1:36:29Joe Rogan?

  Who gave me this? Someone cool.

• 1:36:34Joe Rogan?

  Don't fucking ruin it for everybody.

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  I mean, that's a knife. I don't know what you'd do with this if you were, if you had to.

• 1:36:42Joe Rogan?

  Nothing good.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  Clear brush.

• 1:36:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think that's a brush clearing knife, son.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  What is this? It's a hacking knife.

• 1:36:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, who gave me that?

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  It's when, it's when you're, you're coming in and you want to just clear it. Clear house.

• 1:36:55Joe Rogan?

  Uh, no, you're an asshole. You have a giant knife on your table. That's what it's for.

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  What's a knife for? Just in case, bro.

• 1:37:03Joe Rogan?

  When the president came, they had to take those axes off the wall.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:37:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  Cause you might go crazy.

• 1:37:09Joe Rogan?

  I might go crazy and grab one of those and impale them in the forehead.

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  Those axes look like they actually would work, too.

• 1:37:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those are real. Those are the Jack Carr tomahawks.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  They, they look like you can throw them.

• 1:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think you throw them. I think you're fucking.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:37:24Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  Ow, you hurt me.

• 1:37:26Joe Rogan?

  Put that away. You're making me uncomfortable.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  Sorry, buddy. Yeah.

• 1:37:29Joe Rogan?

  I was gonna grab it by the blade like.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Something aggressive about a knife.

• 1:37:32Joe Rogan?

  That's very aggressive. This is a very aggressive knife.

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a ridiculous knife. That's like little, that's overkill.

• 1:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Do we know who gave it to me?

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  That's like somebody, if somebody wears that on their belt, I'm like, your dick is tiny. That's incredible.

• 1:37:43Joe Rogan?

  Or you're a fucking complete psycho.

• 1:37:45Speaker 01

  Or you're a psycho.

• 1:37:46Joe Rogan?

  Or you're living in downtown Los Angeles right now.

• 1:37:48Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:37:50Joe Rogan?

  That's what's gonna be really crazy.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  Well, I, I wanna see what happens because I think first of all, rents are gonna go through the roof. This is gonna be crazy. There is a major.

• 1:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Where's everybody gonna live?

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  It's a major housing shortage. This is a major problem.

• 1:38:00Joe Rogan?

  Where are you gonna live? Where all those people in the Palisades gonna go? There's thousands and thousands and thousands of houses.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  I think people who own, I'll tell you what's gonna happen, I think. I think people that own houses that are not in fire zones, even if they're small, are gonna sell their houses for millions of dollars. Cause you got those very wealthy people going, I need a place, name a price. And your house might be worth $2 million, you're gonna sell it for $4.

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  I think that's what's gonna happen. I really do.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna be even more fucked.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  It's gonna be completely fucked. And remember, you know, Los Angeles has been the worst, at, the worst at building affordable housing, or just housing in general. All the permitting you gotta go through, all the red tape.

• 1:38:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  They can't do it. Um, there, there's, there's so many issues. There are so many issues, but especially housing, especially. We have, what is it? I think poverty rate in Los Angeles is like second to none. The schools are terrible. Uh, the homeless situation is, I think, the second.

• 1:38:55Joe Rogan?

  But hey, it's sunny.

• 1:38:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's sunny.

• 1:38:57Joe Rogan?

  People are really pretty.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:38:59Joe Rogan?

  And there's a lot of TikTok stars there.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  There's a lot of TikTok stars and that's, that's good for our culture. That's good for our culture.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  What was the name of that sauna blanket again?

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  Spell it. B O N. Bond charge.

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  It's a blanket?

• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a blanket. Yeah, you could carry it with you when you go on vacation and sauna the shit out of yourself anywhere you go. Yeah.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not doing that, but I appreciate it.

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  It's I live by sauna, man. If if I had to choose between one thing that I eliminated. Yeah, if I had to take cold plunge or sauna, I would take sauna all day. I think cold plunge is very important and it's really good for just my mental state. I just like that I force myself to get in there. I like it. I win every day. I win.

• 1:39:42Speaker 01

  Well, I said to you when you signed that deal, I go, you I I say this people about you. You've not changed even a little bit. Well, if anything, you've calmed down. You have peace of mind, but you've not changed as like in terms of like. You know, you you become a very powerful influential person, but I've never I haven't seen you change. I haven't seen you like it hasn't gone to your head. I said, why? And you go, I think it's because I do something really difficult every day and it just reminds me of what a bitch I am.

• 1:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I break myself down every day.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  I think that's important.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  I think it's everything because I think mental health is attached to that. I think too many people have too much anxiety and too much like.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  Success can do that.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Feel. Yeah, well, the pressure. And also, I don't read comments, which is huge. You know, because there's a lot of people out there reading comments and they're.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  One comment.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  I was talking to Zuck about that yesterday. I'm like, you gotta stop reading comments.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Comments?

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I'll tell him to stop right now.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  It's so bad for you.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Comments?

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  It's so bad for you.

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  I've never read one, especially good ones. I don't want to hear it because it's gonna have power over me.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to hear the good ones either. I appreciate them. I appreciate people, even the bad comments. I I get it. Look, you know, uh, if I was fifteen, I would be the worst fucking poster on Twitter of all time. I'd be a total troll. I'd be on 4chan. I'd be on all those things. I'd be talking mad shit all day long.

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  You know that kid, Matan? Matan? He's that kid, this really kid who's like seventeen years old and a complete troll. I did his podcast. It was so fun. But he's just like that. Those kids at that age, they are about just, there's no reverence to anything.

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  They want to tear it all down.

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  They want to tear it all down. Also, it's all about making them. A living getting eyeballs on you.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's what their their business is eyeballs.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:23Joe Rogan?

  So if they can slap someone at a supermarket, or you know, fucking scare someone in line at the grocery store, or whatever the fuck they do to get attention.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  That's their currency. Their currency is attention.

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:34Joe Rogan?

  And if you beat their ass, it's actually good for them.

• 1:41:36Speaker 01

  That's right. There's no, there's no way.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  Which is really crazy.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's just a different.

• 1:41:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  Different time.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  It's the end of Rome.

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  It's the end of Rome.

• 1:41:45Joe Rogan?

  It's the collapse of of of a really sick civilization and, you know, the thing that you're seeing like with this whole like woke fire department. Which is um, we're talking about that lady saying if your husband's in that burning building. Like that they want someone who looks like me, like like looks like them, like that's not what they want. But this this is all like this ideological, like bizarre cult. That these people have fallen into that leads to the collapse of great civilizations because the people that worked hard to make this like very easy life, those people don't get respected.

• 1:42:25Joe Rogan?

  And then the people that you think are the marginalized people that should be elevated through equity. These people that haven't done anything, now you're giving them all the power.

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  And you're also letting them be the bullies of the bullies now, right? So they got picked on their whole life. Now they're we're we're kicking ass now. We get things done.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  I'll make.

• 1:42:44Joe Rogan?

  It was Pride magazine in the whatever website. I'll send you this because it's real. See, like, see if you can find that, Jamie, so I don't have to look for it. But the uh, the the headline said the LBGT fire chief is showing that she can get things done.

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. This is in the middle of the biggest disaster in the history of Los Angeles.

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  Tone death.

• 1:43:11Joe Rogan?

  But saying that she can get it done shows she can get it done. Like, what is get it done?

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:17Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Run out of water, collapse society, what does it mean?

• 1:43:20Speaker 01

  I don't know if that the blame lays in the fire department, by the way, here. I think, you watch, I'm gonna make a prediction. I'm, I bet you it's already happening. I promise you that the progressive government in Los Angeles and in Sacramento is going to blame not infrastructure, not government incompetence, not mismanagement, but climate change.

• 1:43:40Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  I promise, watch.

• 1:43:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, good luck with that. Good luck with, here it is. Amid Palisades fire, Los Angeles first LBGQ plus fire chief is proving lesbians get it done.

• 1:43:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:53Joe Rogan?

  Excuse me, lesbians get it done. Not she gets it done. I, I, it's even dumber than I thought.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable.

• 1:43:58Joe Rogan?

  She's proving lesbians get it done.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  Her sexual proclivity is really what makes it.

• 1:44:01Joe Rogan?

  So what does that mean? Like Elon Musk is proving heterosexuals build rockets? Is that what that means?

• 1:44:06Speaker 01

  It's just identity politics.

• 1:44:07Joe Rogan?

  It's nonsense. It's nonsense, people writing nonsense things. It's so fucking dumb.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  It's placing a group above an individual, right? So treat that person like an individual. I don't give a shit that she's into women. I don't care at all.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  Who cares?

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  If she's competent, if she's competent, I'll, I'll, I'll fucking vote for her all day. I don't know if she is. I, I don't know enough about her record.

• 1:44:28Joe Rogan?

  You can't call it climate change because LA's been like that forever. The reason why they filmed in LA in the fucking first place is because LA doesn't have rain.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:44:36Joe Rogan?

  That's why they started putting Hollywood down there.

• 1:44:38Speaker 01

  Until what happened? It got too expensive to do business, got too expensive to shoot in LA.

• 1:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  Taxes and everything else. It got too expensive. It is too expensive to open restaurants or anything else in LA. So you've got this great, this great sandwich chain I'm obsessed with called Snarfs, right? I like, just like they're, I think they have one in Austin.

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you brought them here.

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  I love.

• 1:44:58Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean you think you have? They brought them here.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I brought them here.

• 1:45:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  Um, I love, I love their sandwiches, dude. And, and, you know, that company is so good that I, I literally was, I wanna get involved in the franchise business because I think it's, it's out, it's, they're crushing. And I, and they will not open in, in Los Angeles. It's too expensive. They're too many thou- A friend of mine who you both, you and I both know, has businesses in Texas and businesses in Los Angeles and a lot of them, okay? I'll tell you who it is later.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, I love a suspense.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  So in his California businesses, he's been sued over 1,000 times. I think it's 1,002 times, 1,002 times in the 18 years he's been in business. In Texas, he's been sued once, once. And in that case, they were right to sue them because they did something wrong. And it's pretty interesting because there's a literally a difference in culture. There's a difference in the notion of I'm responsible for my actions. Somebody else is responsible for the state I'm in. And that is a, that is a mind virus that has taken over Los Angeles, taken over California, in my opinion. A lot of this is just mindset. And I think it's very ironic, with all due respect, because I have a lot of friends who lost houses in

• 1:46:13Speaker 01

  the Palisades area and everything else. But, and I, and I, if you had walked through the Palisades, you would have seen a lot, most of them voted for Karen Bass. I'm not saying Karen Bass deserves all this blame, but I'm saying there was a lot of Kamala stuff there, very, very little Trump stuff. And it's ironic to me because I do think to an extent, without having done enough research, but I've done some, that you have to lay at least some of the blame for this total inability to respond to government mismanagement. And the fact that this government, this progressive government in California, in Sacramento, in Los Angeles, put things like climate change and social justice ahead

• 1:46:58Speaker 01

  of fucking basic infrastructure, basic infrastructure. You knew that they were predicting and they knew how, how dry this season was. Fucking eight months without rain. Okay, guys? So we need to figure out, there is a way to solve every problem. You gotta, if you, do you need an army of firefighters?

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Trump laid it out.

• 1:47:16Speaker 01

  They cut, they cut 17%. I know, they cut 17%.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  17.6 million dollars from the fire budget in Los Angeles.

• 1:47:22Speaker 01

  Wasn't it 17% or was it?

• 1:47:24Joe Rogan?

  17.6 million dollars.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:47:27Joe Rogan?

  That's what I read. See if that's true.

• 1:47:28Speaker 01

  I thought it was percent, but maybe so.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  I think it's 17.6. Maybe that's what it turned out.

• 1:47:32Speaker 04

  17 million, but.

• 1:47:33Speaker 01

  17 million.

• 1:47:34Speaker 04

  It, it, yeah, it's, it's a thing.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  I don't know what that means.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  It might be 17%. It might be they have 100 million. budget and they cut it down to seven.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Either way, either way, obviously.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  What's that, Jamie?

• 1:47:43Speaker 04

  Eight hundred million dollars or something crazy.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  That's the whole budget?

• 1:47:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a lot.

• 1:47:47Joe Rogan?

  So they only cut seventeen million out of eight hundred, but still, why would you cut anything out of one of the most important things? Obviously, now you know, now you know that was a huge mistake. Now you know you should have increased the budget.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  Well, to your, to your point, this was a perfect storm to an extent, and there's, there's a limit to what any fire department can do. There's a limit, right? We live in Los Angeles, fires are a reality, earthquakes are a reality, mudslides are a reality. We know this, it's, it's, California's a tough place to live, that's great, but there are a lot of liabilities. I just think if you know that that's the case, something went wrong. And our infrastructure, the fact that our fire hydrants, and it happened in Colorado three years ago, but the fact that the fire hydrants lost pressure. You, you can predict these things.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, again, I bring it back to Trump, because Trump was saying that this all could be solved, and he was right. What he was saying is true, and that they are doing it to protect a fucking smelt. That exists.

• 1:48:39Speaker 01

  The Delta smelt.

• 1:48:40Joe Rogan?

  That exists other places.

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  I love the Delta smelt.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  I don't.

• 1:48:43Speaker 01

  What does that thing look like? Let me see what a Delta smelt looks like.

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  I don't give a fuck about those things.

• 1:48:47Speaker 01

  Neither do I.

• 1:48:47Joe Rogan?

  Um, yeah, seventeen million last year, she directed more, uh, for twenty twenty-three, twenty twenty-four fiscal year, Los Angeles allocated eight hundred and thirty-seven million to the Los Angeles Fire Department. Accounting for roughly sixty-five percent of the one point three billion dollar budget designated for homelessness initiatives.

• 1:49:04Speaker 01

  Which didn't work.

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  What? Sixty-five percent for homelessness initiatives?

• 1:49:08Speaker 01

  Didn't work.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Roughly half the budget for homelessness went unspent. These motherfuckers.

• 1:49:14Speaker 01

  Let me say something else about that.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  These motherfuckers.

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  The homeless thing too, you talk to, you talk to progressives about the homeless thing, you know what they'll say? It's a housing shortage.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:21Speaker 01

  No, it's not, it's a drug and mental health problem.

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  Housing, housing, housing.

• 1:49:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, sorry, sorry dude.

• 1:49:26Joe Rogan?

  Housing, housing, housing, and we can't fix it.

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  It's a mental health and drug problem, so fuck off.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  They spent twenty-four billion dollars last year. Twenty-four billion in California on homelessness. Yeah, that's what it is. It's a bunch of people making money off of nonprofits.

• 1:49:41Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:49:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  And so there's, there's a vested interest in keeping homeless a problem.

• 1:49:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the real problem is that there's homeless at all, like. How is that possible in the greatest society the world's ever known? But because we've put very little effort into stopping it. Very little effort into education and fixing people's mental health problems and mental health institutions for people that are sick and twisted and real solutions like Ibogaine, real things that they can do to sort of reset people's minds and help them get out of it, real programs to help people integrate back into society.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  I know a guy who's a tier one guy who was dealing with real demons and he did one session of Ibogaine and it changed everything.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, there's a lot of people like that. I had the former governor of Texas, Rick Perry, on. Um, and he was explaining it.

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  And that's surprising that Rick Perry, who's, you know, a Texas conservative.

• 1:50:33Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep, it was very reluctant and then he knew someone who came back from the war and was suffering and you know, he got involved and now he's an advocate for it.

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  Repairs the neural pathways or something like that?

• 1:50:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes, helps people with Parkinson's disease.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Wow, really?

• 1:50:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy, completely rewires the brain of addicted people.

• 1:50:50Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  Stops the pathways, gives you an insight as to why you're addicted in the first place, like what little weird fucking patterns you have in your head, what are you escaping when you're trying to like load up on heroin? It's crazy, but it's illegal. This is the nuttiest part of it and this is the beautiful thing about what Rick Perry's trying to do and explaining it very eloquently that it was all established in the 1970s to combat Richard Nixon's political opponents. So the anti-war movement, the civil rights movement, if they made all those drugs illegal, the sweeping Act of 1970, the Psychedelic Drug Act, where they were just trying to demonize these things that these people were using.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  That was like, you know, the flower child movement, the hippies, the anti-war people, they're like, we need to figure out a way to lock these motherfuckers up.

• 1:51:40Speaker 01

  Well, they did a really interesting study on, or there was a guy, journalist, I can't remember who it was talking about. They drew this comparison, when the 60s music movement happened with Hendrix and all those guys. When they were taking psychedelics, incredible things were going on musically.

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  Once they turned to cocaine and heroin, the music fucking died.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  Hairburns.

• 1:52:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, I was bringing it back to cars, you know, because I'm a car freak. The cars of the nineteen sixties were the greatest fucking cars America has ever created in terms of the way they looked.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  The iconic view, the, the, the image of those things, and it all died around seventy, seventy-one. Everything after seventy-one is a piece of shit.

• 1:52:21Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Except a few Corvettes look cool. But because they, they needed to become, first of all, then there's the gas crisis. So cars started becoming less powerful and more economical. And then they started making them out of plastic and they just looked like shit. And then they weren't doing the drugs anymore, so they, the design sucked. If you go back to design, like, one of the classics that I always put out, like, let's look at a nineteen sixty-nine Boss Mustang. So this is.

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  Bring that up.

• 1:52:50Joe Rogan?

  Acid, marijuana, whatever. These people that were designing these cars were like freaks. They were weirdos.

• 1:52:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  You know, because they were artists. And they designed these things that just, to this day, you look at them, you go, fuck, fuck, look at that.

• 1:53:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. That's the, that's the reason why John Wick killed everybody. That's it is. They stole his car. They killed his puppy and they stole that car. And John Wick killed everybody. That is a fucking work of art, man.

• 1:53:20Speaker 01

  Whiplash, fucking engine closing.

• 1:53:22Joe Rogan?

  Damn, that's a work of art.

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  Not safe.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  One of the most beautiful things human beings, fuck the Sistine Chapel. That's one of the most beautiful things human beings have ever created. Look at that.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Is that a catalytic converter or carburetor?

• 1:53:33Joe Rogan?

  Shut your mouth about that. This is Texas. Pull all that stuff off and fucking roll, roll coal right on the highway.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  It gets like a block a gallon.

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my, um, my Raptor, my Hennessy Raptor that has a thousand horsepower, I get nine miles to the gallon. Suck my dick.

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  It's so stupid.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing. That is a different one. That's a, um, that's a, a, yeah, that's a classic restoration.

• 1:53:57Speaker 01

  Does nothing for me.

• 1:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Classic recreations does, uh, um, a resto mod version of it, but that's like the right from the factory version. Both of them are gorgeous.

• 1:54:05Speaker 01

  Come in electric?

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  They do make them an electric, honestly. Yeah, there's a company that takes old cars and turns them electric. Well, a lot of people have a problem with it. Everotti does it.

• 1:54:16Speaker 01

  I like the Aston, I like the old Aston Martins. Those are cool as fuck.

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Gorgeous, man. Gorgeous. Pull up Everotti. Everotti is a company that takes old Porsches and they do old Mustangs and they convert them and make them fully electric.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:54:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And but they look really cool, but you're missing the whole point.

• 1:54:31Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  The whole point is it's

• 1:54:33Speaker 01

  You want to feel the road.

• 1:54:34Joe Rogan?

  It's a work of art. It's a mechanical experience.

• 1:54:37Speaker 01

  I drove a 1985 Porsche Targa.

• 1:54:40Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:54:41Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:54:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:54:42Speaker 01

  It's a stick shift.

• 1:54:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  What a beautiful car. You feel everything, but goddamn, it's beautiful. I mean, you're just zipping it. Dun-dun-dun, you know?

• 1:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's so light, too. It's so engaging.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  That's a great car.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god, those are the best.

• 1:54:54Speaker 01

  That's the only time I've driven a car and I went, I get it. Like, I've never been into cars. I drive a Tesla 3 with white interior, white exterior. I wanted to gaze, I wanted to be as gay as I could.

• 1:55:05Joe Rogan?

  It's still an incredible car. It's a great car. So they do a bunch of different stuff. So let's go to the Porsche 911, 964 Signature. So look at that. So they take this 964 Porsche, which is one of the most beautiful years.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  And they turned it into this insane electric beast.

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, incredible car, man. I mean, sub-zero, uh, zero to 60, sub-four seconds.

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  I drove the

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Look how beautiful it looks, too. Oh, my god.

• 1:55:35Speaker 01

  I drove the new electric Porsche, which is

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  But look at the range. Up to 200 miles. Shut the fuck up with that range. That range is nonsense.

• 1:55:41Speaker 01

  That's nonsense.

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  The up to 200 miles is where you're driving really slow.

• 1:55:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's 100 miles.

• 1:55:45Joe Rogan?

  But I bet that thing is super sick to drive and goddamn, it looks beautiful. But wouldn't it be better if it went

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  when you started it up?

• 1:55:53Speaker 01

  I think it should be.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  You want to hear that.

• 1:55:57Speaker 01

  That should be gas.

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you want to feel the engagement of the clutch. You want to pull the gear lever down in a second. You want to let off the clutch and hit the gas. You want to feel it. I like what they're doing. I think it's cool, whatever. I'd rather, I'd take that car and I'd gut it. I'd gut it and put a fucking real engine in it again. It looks beautiful. Beautiful, but.

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  What can I pick one of those up for, like a regular car?

• 1:56:20Joe Rogan?

  A regular one?

• 1:56:20Speaker 01

  A 964 like that?

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of different companies. There's a company called.

• 1:56:24Speaker 01

  Not, not, not electric.

• 1:56:25Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, a regular one. There's a company that specializes in air-cooled Porsches. Um, go to Sloan.

• 1:56:33Speaker 01

  What's air-cooled?

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Sloan, Sloan, that's those, the old ones. The ones that you drove, the one that 1980s one, that's a, that's an air-cooled one.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  Love that car.

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  The old ones are the ones that, yeah, that's it. So this place specializes in, uh, Porsches, but particularly air-cooled Porsches. They've got a lot of air-cooled. Go, click on like available cars. So inventory, go to inventory.

• 1:56:55Speaker 01

  That's nice, too.

• 1:56:56Joe Rogan?

  So, a lot of these are the expensive, more modern ones, like the 1963. Like, click on that one, 84 911 Carrera. Look at that. 26,000 original miles.

• 1:57:06Speaker 01

  That's a gorgeous car.

• 1:57:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, dude, that's a joy to drive.

• 1:57:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's beautiful.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  That car's a joy to drive.

• 1:57:12Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:57:13Joe Rogan?

  Look how be- oh, it's gotta be very expensive.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  That's a beautiful car.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  With such low miles, that thing's probably meticulously maintained. It looks incredible.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  So you're not picking that thing up for less than?

• 1:57:23Joe Rogan?

  That's an expensive car.

• 1:57:24Speaker 01

  Hundred grand?

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  And by the way, not very fast. It's not fast. That's not, you're missing the point.

• 1:57:29Speaker 01

  But it's the handling.

• 1:57:30Joe Rogan?

  It's the, it's the feel. It's the experience of driving. It is so analog. It probably doesn't even have power steering.

• 1:57:38Speaker 01

  Fuck, it's brand new.

• 1:57:39Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's basically brand new. Whoever kept that, amazing.

• 1:57:43Speaker 01

  They'd probably sell that for.

• 1:57:45Joe Rogan?

  Couple hundred thousand dollars.

• 1:57:46Speaker 01

  A couple hundred?

• 1:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:47Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 1:57:47Joe Rogan?

  At least.

• 1:57:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:57:49Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine. I mean, it says contact us for pricing, but if you want to get one like that, a stellar model with 20s. Look, if you get a 911 from 1970, like a 911 RS, a good example is a million dollars.

• 1:58:05Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:58:06Speaker 01

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  Go, Google, uh, 911, 1971 911 RS, immaculate for sale. I guarantee you they're over a million dollars. Yeah.

• 1:58:19Speaker 01

  Cause they're just very few.

• 1:58:20Joe Rogan?

  Your, your Model 3 will blow that thing away in every way, shape or form. Handling, speed, especially if you have the Model 3 performance.

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  That's why I like my car so much. I like the Tesla.

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  It's, they just go.

• 1:58:32Speaker 01

  So easy.

• 1:58:33Joe Rogan?

  They make every other car seem stupid.

• 1:58:35Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:58:36Joe Rogan?

  But it's a different experience than driving that thing. That thing is an amusement park ride.

• 1:58:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, that thing is a-

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  It's like grinding your own coffee. It's something about it. Like, there's a manual-

• 1:58:45Joe Rogan?

  The sensations.

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  There's a tactile, there's a tactile sensation.

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lighting your own fire on the grill and cooking over hardwood coals.

• 1:58:52Speaker 01

  I think there's a huge value to that, like, cooking.

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  Like, the, the, the, the fact that it takes, you, you take time-

• 1:58:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  -to get good at something like cooking the perfect beef stew or whatever the fuck it is.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Especially if you're cooking over fire. It brings you this caveman-

• 1:59:08Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  -DNA section of your brain. Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Also, it makes the food taste better.

• 1:59:13Speaker 01

  Convenience and abundance comes with a price like everything else. Sometimes that's a lack of connection. Sometimes just the, the actual process of doing shit, like, the actual process of preparation, all that, is a form of flow that you get into.

• 1:59:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:28Speaker 01

  There's a great book called Beyond Boredom and Anxiety by, um, Schickson Mihaj- I don't know what the fuck his name is. He's like this Hungarian scientist. He compares the flow state that rock climbers, surgeons, painters, and conductors get into.

• 1:59:43Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:59:43Speaker 01

  And, and it's all very similar because it takes incredible concentration. When you're rock climbing and you don't want to fall.

• 1:59:49Joe Rogan?

  I bet the rock climbers look at the painters like, bitch, you are not in the same flow state as me, motherfucker.

• 1:59:53Speaker 01

  It's very, that's, no, they're not, because it's life and death, right?

• 1:59:56Speaker 04

  Cool site that shows the average sales, like, it's a stock almost. So, five have been sold for an average of $708,000.

• 2:00:03Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  My lord.

• 2:00:06Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  That's, that's insane.

• 2:00:08Speaker 04

  Two point five million.

• 2:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Two point five million for that one. Click on that. Can you click on that so I can see it?

• 2:00:12Speaker 01

  I gotta sell a couple more tickets, stand up, you know what I mean?

• 2:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Does it let you see what it looks like? There it is. Let's see if we could find it. God. By the way, um, it's, a lot of that is like a, a dick measuring contest, like, that I have a pristine model.

• 2:00:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. They don't drive it.

• 2:00:27Joe Rogan?

  This is like a Jerry Seinfeld-type vehicle. Like, he would, he would own one of those.

• 2:00:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  I have a, uh, 1993 RS America. It's a 964. I know you've seen it, that little red Porsche that I have.

• 2:00:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:40Joe Rogan?

  No manual stea- or no power steering. No air conditioning, no nothing. It doesn't have a radio, it doesn't have jack shit.

• 2:00:47Speaker 01

  It's so raw.

• 2:00:49Joe Rogan?

  It's so raw. It's, it's, it's raw and rowdy. It sounds loud. You feel everything. Every time I drive it, I'm like, why don't I drive this?

• 2:00:57Speaker 01

  Do you remember when I used to have that, that fucking Bronco?

• 2:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:00Speaker 01

  1971 with a 350 Windsor, whatever the fuck it was. I don't know, carburetor.

• 2:01:04Joe Rogan?

  I remember he came to my house and that.

• 2:01:06Speaker 01

  Dude, I would get dizzy on the highway.

• 2:01:08Joe Rogan?

  Fucking gas.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  Fucking the gas.

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  And it had no top.

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  Dude, I thought I was gonna pass out. I was like, I, I, I went to the mechanic, I think I'm gonna pass out. I was all panicked, you know, he goes, "Ah, it's just the way it is." I go, "What do you mean it's the way it is?"

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  You're dying slowly, but you're living more.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  Fucking sold that thing for 500 bucks or so. I was like, get away from me.

• 2:01:23Joe Rogan?

  I was so happy when you bought it. I like when you get irrational. I, I want you to be more irrational. I think it's good for you.

• 2:01:28Speaker 01

  I was that way with dogs too.

• 2:01:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  Oh, is it a fighting dog? Really? Fresh out of the box?

• 2:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's get it. I think that, uh, a little bit of irrationality for comedians is very good for you.

• 2:01:38Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. I've been pretty irrational.

• 2:01:40Joe Rogan?

  You gotta have a little bit of fun in you.

• 2:01:42Speaker 04

  There's a fun auction coming up in a month.

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:01:45Speaker 04

  All these are for sale, uh, coming from Paris.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that Alfa Romeo, that little thing like there? That little Alfa Romeo 1965? I guarantee you, that's fun as fuck to drive too.

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  Really? It looks shitty to me.

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it looks shitty, but I'm telling you, you feel every fucking bump on the road through your ass.

• 2:02:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:01Joe Rogan?

  I never got into those, uh, 356 Porsches.

• 2:02:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:04Joe Rogan?

  I think those look like a fucking VW bug.

• 2:02:07Speaker 01

  They do look like a VW bug.

• 2:02:07Joe Rogan?

  They look stupid.

• 2:02:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  But that right, to the right of it, the 92 RS?

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  That's what I have.

• 2:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:14Joe Rogan?

  I have one of those with a duck tail. I have a red one with a duck tail. I love it.

• 2:02:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:19Joe Rogan?

  I love it.

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  Well, you know what it is? They're, they have a personality. There's something about getting into my, I had a girlfriend who had a, a vintage Mercedes. And I swear to God, I got attached to that car. It felt like an experience. I would get in there and I, I, I, it had a personality almost. It was like,

• 2:02:35Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:02:37Speaker 01

  Cause somebody had made that. Somebody had taken the time. A lot of that shit's made by hand, I think.

• 2:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're definitely put together by hand.

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, especially back then.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  But, but, but, but considered by craftsmen.

• 2:02:47Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:02:48Speaker 01

  Like when something's really considered by craftsmen and, and you can't, you cannot replace the feel of like something that's been crafted out of leather and wood.

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  1970, look at that, son. Oh my goodness, that's a beautiful piece of machinery.

• 2:03:02Speaker 01

  It's an artistic, it's an expression of artistry, man.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  That is such a gorgeous car.

• 2:03:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  That is fucking beautiful.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  That's European, brother.

• 2:03:10Joe Rogan?

  And it's so light. Those cars are so light dude, that's like a 2,000 pound car.

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're, they're so little. Yeah, when you're near them, they're so little.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  You know how much my three weighs? Almost 6,000 pounds.

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're very heavy. They fuck up, uh, those, um, borders.

• 2:03:26Speaker 01

  It's a fucking tank.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  What are, what are they called? The, the rails, guardrails. They go right through those things. Cause they're too heavy. Car rails are meant for regular sized cars.

• 2:03:35Speaker 01

  I didn't know that.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Look how gorgeous that is. Look at that damn thing, man.

• 2:03:39Speaker 01

  Bucket seats.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  God, it's so beautiful.

• 2:03:42Speaker 01

  Fire extinguisher?

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  That guy's, that guy maintained that motherfucker. That guy knows how to drive, I bet. Look at that steering wheel.

• 2:03:50Speaker 01

  I picture myself.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  2003 restoration?

• 2:03:52Speaker 01

  In a tweed coat.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so gorgeous. I bet that's 150,000. How much is that?

• 2:03:56Speaker 04

  It's gonna be auctioned.

• 2:03:58Speaker 01

  They're not giving them away.

• 2:03:59Speaker 04

  For a 180 euros.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  180 euros, so more. So 180 euros is like 200 and something thousand, which makes sense. It's fucking beautiful, man, and they don't make them anymore. You know, if you want one of those, and when you drive it, I guarantee you have a fucking smile. You'll have a fucking smile on your face. It only has 180 horsepower.

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 2:04:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're not, they're not fast.

• 2:04:19Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:04:19Joe Rogan?

  Even mine has 300. Mine only has 300 horse, and I had it juiced up a little bit to get to 300.

• 2:04:24Speaker 01

  I was gonna say.

• 2:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:25Speaker 01

  That must give you worms.

• 2:04:26Joe Rogan?

  It's not fast. Not fast.

• 2:04:28Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  No, but it doesn't matter. It's just fun. It's engaging.

• 2:04:32Speaker 01

  You used to like big trucks too, though. You liked the Denali's and stuff.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, well, I have the Raptor. I was a Hennessy Raptor. I still have, you know why? I like to see what's going on over there. I don't wanna be at the same height as the cars when someone slams on the brake, you can't see what's going on. Well, up here, you could see someone doing something stupid, like five cars ahead. You're like, oh Jesus. And you, it's safer.

• 2:04:52Speaker 01

  Way safer.

• 2:04:52Joe Rogan?

  To be in a lifted truck is safer. You see things more.

• 2:04:56Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 2:04:56Joe Rogan?

  That is, is very important. It's very important. Like you, the, the elevated viewpoint for a safety perspective is important.

• 2:05:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and you get used to that. You like it a lot.

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  I know, that's the kinda car you take out on a countryside, like, you know.

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, man.

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  And you wear a scarf.

• 2:05:11Speaker 04

  You wear gloves.

• 2:05:12Speaker 01

  Gloves, scarf, and you wear the glasses.

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  I want to be European so badly sometimes.

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  And your lady's doing this, "You're going too fast!"

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't go with a girl. Go by yourself.

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  Oh, by yourself?

• 2:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't go with a girl.

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to hear that. Shut the fuck up about TikTok.

• 2:05:32Speaker 01

  Faites attention, faites attention!

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  That's different. That's hot. Well, that's preposterous. That's a four million dollar car. That's a Pagani. I don't even know how to say that. How do you say that?

• 2:05:42Speaker 01

  It looks like a fucking, it looks like an arachnid.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  That's a monstrous vehicle.

• 2:05:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's also ridiculous. I mean, does it come with a Batman suit?

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing. That's all great. That's all fast, but that can't fuck with a new Corvette.

• 2:05:57Speaker 04

  It's a track car for sure.

• 2:05:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a track car, but it's not even as good as a track car as a new Corvette. The new Corvette ZR1 is one of the greatest cars the world has ever built. It's over a thousand horsepower. A thousand! Over a thousand horsepower for the new Corvette ZR1. It does zero to sixty in under three seconds. It's gonna break all the records. It's probably gonna break Nürburgring records. It hasn't even been released yet. It's a fucking amazing car. It's the greatest American car ever by far.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  Because it's just reliability, everything, or what?

• 2:06:29Joe Rogan?

  Everything. They're reliable. They're fucking incredible looking. They look like an exotic car. This is the new ZR1. Does it have volume? Can we hear what it sounds like? Hi, I'm Brad France from Chevrolet Marketing. Brad, you fucking knocked it out of the park, Brad! This is an amazing vehicle. This vehicle's faster, handles better than that stupid fucking five billion dollar car. That thing's the shit. That's America, fuck yeah, in a car. I mean, it's so stupid. How could you go to a dealership, look at that carbon fiber wheels? How can you go to a dealership and buy a 1,100 horsepower car?

• 2:07:05Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Look at it with a giant wing on the back of it. It shouldn't be, but it is. And that's why it's America, motherfucker! Look at that thing!

• 2:07:13Speaker 01

  Is that, uh...

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  Drag to rotate.

• 2:07:15Speaker 01

  Is that fin that was on there necessary?

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yes, because you want to look like an asshole.

• 2:07:20Speaker 01

  That looks great.

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can get it without the fin.

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  Because you want to look like an asshole?

• 2:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:23Speaker 01

  That looks good.

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  The, it's downforce. It gives you more... Or downforce, so it'll slow your top end speed, so the high end speed will be like two hundred and five miles an hour instead of two fifteen or whatever the fuck it is.

• 2:07:35Speaker 01

  I like that, that's a good look right there.

• 2:07:36Joe Rogan?

  It's a gorgeous car.

• 2:07:38Speaker 01

  Stupid fin.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  That is a fucking beautiful machine.

• 2:07:41Speaker 01

  Does the fin come up or something, or?

• 2:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, no, it's just downforce, it's adjustable, but it's downforce for the track.

• 2:07:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like that.

• 2:07:47Joe Rogan?

  That is an amazing car for the track.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  That's a good looking car.

• 2:07:49Joe Rogan?

  And they make them in a convertible, check of the convertible.

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  They won't break your bank probably, right? Or are they very expensive?

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  It's about two hundred grand. Before, you know, markup and all that other jazz, I think it's one seven, two point three seconds zero to sixty. Fucking go, nine second quarter mile, right from the factory. Motherfucker.

• 2:08:08Speaker 01

  A nine second.

• 2:08:09Joe Rogan?

  That's what you need, that's what you need, Callan.

• 2:08:10Speaker 01

  You do, it's very important.

• 2:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Special kicks it and you start selling out giant theaters.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  Let's go, baby.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Let's get a little.

• 2:08:21Joe Rogan?

  You run away from looters.

• 2:08:23Speaker 01

  Once I start selling, uh, uh, theater tickets.

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which should get the fuck out of Los Angeles.

• 2:08:27Speaker 01

  I know, I gotta do that, you've been telling me that a long time. Listen, this might be the one, I talked to my wife. If, but I have my other kids, so I got my, I have two families, you know.

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Talk them into it too.

• 2:08:36Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:08:37Joe Rogan?

  They come out here, they'll, they'll realize like, oh my god, what have I been doing?

• 2:08:40Speaker 01

  What the fuck were we doing?

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  What were we doing, why, why?

• 2:08:43Speaker 01

  Me, traveling from Texas is way easier than traveling from fucking Los Angeles.

• 2:08:47Joe Rogan?

  That Ron White told me that in two thousand eighteen, when I started thinking about Austin.

• 2:08:51Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 2:08:51Joe Rogan?

  He moved here before any of us. Ron White was the original. He was the original, the, the, the Texas setup, cause he was, he's from Texas. He goes, I fucking love Austin. Food's great, people are nice, it's in the middle of the country, you could travel anywhere. I was like, wow, can I live in Texas? I started thinking about it, like, can I live in Texas? And then when COVID hit, Ron being here was one of the things that moved me here.

• 2:09:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, I love Ron, at least I can hang out with Ron.

• 2:09:17Speaker 01

  One of the greatest comics, period. I, I watched that motherfucker and I'm like, and he's still doing it at his age.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Killing it.

• 2:09:23Speaker 01

  How old is he?

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  He's a thousand years old.

• 2:09:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:25Joe Rogan?

  And he's better now than ever.

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  Unbelievable.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Better than ever.

• 2:09:28Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  And he's at the club every night. He's there all the time, all the time, killing it, killing it.

• 2:09:33Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  And just the best fucking. Human being, he's just the best guy.

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, he seems like it.

• 2:09:38Joe Rogan?

  So when he was coming here in two thousand eighteen, I was like, maybe I could go. I don't know, I can't live in Texas, because I had always been trying to escape L A forever. But then it's like my business was there, the comedians were there, and the store was there. And there was like so many things there. It took something like covid to make us all like just take this crazy chance. And move to Texas.

• 2:09:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, these fires, I feel like these fires are kind of almost like.

• 2:10:01Joe Rogan?

  Very much like the same thing, very much like the same thing. It's the same kind of experience. Hand me that bad boy.

• 2:10:07Speaker 01

  You're gonna have one too, huh?

• 2:10:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's go, right, Callen, we're men, we're smoking cigars like men.

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  I like this, I like this new, uh, this thing.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  Having a guy like Ron here, though, was like, okay, well, if Ron, at least I'll have Ron as a friend. At least we'll be, and then Tony moved here. I was like, oh shit, Tony's here. And then I remember one time I talked to Segura. And I was like, uh, dude, it's fucking awesome. I love it here. He's like, fuck it, I'm moving. And he was, he was here quick.

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  How do I open this?

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, you just, here, you can use this one, because you're just stupid.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  I'm an idiot, I'm like, I can't do, I can't figure shit out.

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  How come you can't figure things out?

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  Because I'm bad with that stuff, okay? It's why my wife was like, get out of here, you can't do it, and I'll take care of it. I'm like, raise my kids, save them, tell my story, I'll be in Austin. Sorry about the fires.

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Tell them to watch your special.

• 2:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Tell all the kids at school to watch daddy's special.

• 2:10:58Speaker 01

  They'll watch, they'll watch daddy's special, it's gonna be good. False gods, I'm excited, man, I'm shooting.

• 2:11:02Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna put it on YouTube?

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  That's the move.

• 2:11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so, right?

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  YouTube's the move, because you get the most views, for sure, like, look at Shane.

• 2:11:09Speaker 01

  I'm proud of him, too.

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  You have a great, that's awesome. You get a great set, you put a great set, and the, the club is the best place to film. The audiences are so hyped.

• 2:11:17Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I thought, I was like, I'm gonna, I would rather, like, shoot it here, you know? And, um, because you did that club right, man, you did that club right, this makes such a difference. You know?

• 2:11:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of it's because of Ron. If it wasn't for Ron, and then one time when we did shows, we're doing shows at the Vulcan, and Ron hadn't gone onstage in like eight months. And he got offstage and he grabbed me by the shoulders. He goes, "Whatever the fuck we gotta do, we're gonna keep doing this." He goes, "You gotta open up that club." I was like, "Okay, I gotta open up the club." Because I was like, "I gotta open up a club." You know, it's one of those things like, "I'm so fucking busy. How am I gonna do this?"

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  It's a lot, right?

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  "How am I gonna handle this? How am I gonna handle the stress of the business and a hundred employees?"

• 2:12:05Joe Rogan?

  It turns out you don't have to. Just get really good people to run it for you.

• 2:12:08Speaker 01

  That's it. That's it. I get a kick out of you because I don't know, you still have like for this podcast, what, three people that work for you? I mean, four, but you know, more than that.

• 2:12:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, we have Brandon, our video editor. We have Matt, who books everything, young Jamie, and moi. That's it.

• 2:12:25Speaker 01

  My buddy is, they're gonna start a podcast and, "Well, we gotta get a production team. We gotta get this."

• 2:12:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're gonna need a production team if you don't have Jamie. The thing is Jamie's a wizard and he's also a little bit on the spectrum. And Jamie can- What side? The good side. You're on the good side. You're on the fun side. You're like totally socially aware.

• 2:12:43Speaker 01

  You're one of those stoics. He's like a stoic.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  But Jamie's just on the ball and like his ability to pull things up while we're talking about them, while he's managing the podcast, like no one could do that. You need like a team of people to do what he does. But then you gotta deal with a team of people that are just like, one of the coolest things about Jamie is how, like first of all, we're friends and he's the easiest to hang out with. Like Jamie's so easy to hang out with. So it doesn't matter who's in this room. There's no weirdness or like, "Oh, this guy is complaining about that guy."

• 2:13:16Speaker 01

  And he's not trying to be, he's not trying to be anything he's not. So what happens in that position is that that's kind of a big job.

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:24Speaker 01

  And it'd be very easy to go, "I'm part of this podcast. I'm a huge part of it." He doesn't get his ego-

• 2:13:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's happened to a few friends of mine where they had to get rid of their producer because the producer was like, you know, "We did this." And he's like, "Hey." He pointed cameras at a comedian that was already famous, like, cut the shit. Like, this is fucking stupid.

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  We all have our role. We all do our thing. Just don't get too.

• 2:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's like, what happens with a lot of these people is they develop these podcasts and then they have, I go to my friend's podcast and he has ten people working for him. And I was like, what are all these people doing? What do they do? What are they doing? Like, this is crazy. Like, why you have all these people? And then they have interns? I go, you have people working? You're making millions of dollars and they're working for free? Like, I don't agree with interns.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, I would never have an intern. If I had an intern.

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  Pay that person.

• 2:14:09Joe Rogan?

  I would pay them.

• 2:14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:09Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent. I don't even know if you're allowed to pay certain interns, because they're supposed to get, like, I would break the law. I'd break the law and pay them.

• 2:14:17Speaker 04

  You can be a paid intern, it's fine.

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Can you have a paid intern in a college?

• 2:14:20Speaker 01

  I think what happens is it builds resentment if you're not.

• 2:14:23Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 2:14:24Speaker 01

  You gotta be careful with all that.

• 2:14:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a problem with rich people when they have assistants, too.

• 2:14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, Al Madrigal had an assistant once who was like, "Yeah, I gotta get an assistant." I go, "No, you don't." I go, "Listen to me. Do less shit." Just do less shit.

• 2:14:35Speaker 01

  I'd never.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  If you, you need an assistant, you don't.

• 2:14:37Speaker 01

  I don't need an assistant, no.

• 2:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Do less things.

• 2:14:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  You don't, they're like, I remember when David Spade had an assistant, the dude tried to duct tape him and the guy, uh, he tasered him. He was gonna kill him.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:47Joe Rogan?

  Guy went to jail.

• 2:14:48Speaker 01

  Fuck. Henry the Eighth said something like that.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Also.

• 2:14:50Speaker 01

  He said, "Every time I promote somebody, I create, every time I promote somebody, I create eight enemies and one ingrate." Something like that. I think that was the quote. It's great.

• 2:14:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but didn't he kill a bunch of his wives?

• 2:15:01Speaker 01

  He was terrible. Henry the Eighth was a fucking idiot. That's the great story of.

• 2:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he's just a piece of shit.

• 2:15:06Speaker 01

  Well, you know what he did, right? He, so the Catholic Church, he wanted a son, and his wife was barren, and he, he, uh, he wanted an heir and the Catholic Church would not codify his divorce. So he was like, "Okay, I'm gonna start the Anglican Church. Fuck off. I'm gonna start my own church and it's gonna, okay, it's gonna be okay with divorce." So he created the Anglican Church. And the great story of a man for all seasons, Thomas, Sir Thomas More, was Thomas More would not join the Anglican Church, and they killed him for it. And he said, "I am more than my appetites. I am more than, you know, my body. I am my principles, and my principles are higher and I'm gonna stick to the Catholic Church." Kind of like, you know.

• 2:15:44Joe Rogan?

  I wish I was his friend.

• 2:15:45Speaker 01

  No shit, right?

• 2:15:46Joe Rogan?

  I'd be like, "Yo, dude, just join another church."

• 2:15:47Speaker 01

  Well, we all would, right?

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Listen, Tom, you get a lot of shit done, okay? Alright.

• 2:15:54Speaker 01

  I was in acting class, as you remember, remember that? And one of the, kind of a famous actor, he did the scene. This is so great. He did the Man for All Seasons. And as he, you know, so you do a scene. And, you know, a lot of working actors in the class, this is Los Angeles, and we all sit back and now the great teacher will now break it apart. And he, the actor, began to weep. And they said, "Why are you crying?" And he says, "Because I'm not this man. I would have joined the Anglican Church and it bothers me that I'm not the kind of principled man that would stick to..."

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  At least he knows.

• 2:16:27Speaker 01

  That was pretty cool.

• 2:16:28Joe Rogan?

  At least he's not that guy, "I wish I was a Navy SEAL, I'd kill everybody."

• 2:16:31Speaker 01

  He was one of my favorite actors, too. And I was like, "There you go. At least you know your fucking limitations."

• 2:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:36Speaker 01

  Never say what you would do in an emergency, because you don't know.

• 2:16:38Joe Rogan?

  But isn't that also probably why he's a great actor? Because he was aware?

• 2:16:42Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:16:43Joe Rogan?

  Of everything? Of like the differences between him and those other people? You know?

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  Well, you better know you're vulnerable. Like, you walk around like a tough guy.

• 2:16:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:16:52Speaker 01

  But the real tough guys are the guys that have done a lot of shit. Or who've seen a lot of combat, or at least been involved. And like Evan Hafer, for example, has probably done a lot more than he, he never talks about any of it. You'll never hear him say anything, but, and for that matter, Andy Stumpf, same way. They don't really tell you anything, but they're very aware that, first of all, it's very easy to be killed. Very easy. Like, I don't care how strong you are, what you bench.

• 2:17:13Joe Rogan?

  A tiny child can kill you with a gun.

• 2:17:15Speaker 01

  Right away. So you, you, you get a real sense, part of what's really good about just doing combat sports, or doing any kind of, like, even a rough sport, contact sport, is that it, it, it comes, you come into contact with objective reality. It's very hard to start living this fake existence. And part of the problem, I think, with our society is a lot of people controlling the narrative. Don't really pay a price for being wrong, because they live a life and they live a job where they're working, where, where they're working with their mouth, they're working with only their brain. And I think you get a lot from actually trying to grow your own food, or doing whatever it is. You know, you've got to kind of come in, you own a farm, and you realize that life eats life.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  And things, everything, nature, mother nature's a motherfucker and wants to kill everything you try to grow. It, it gives you a very different perspective. About reality and what the world is about.

• 2:18:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:18:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a giant problem with urban environments. It's why urban environments all get to these sort of esoteric philosophical ideas about what society would be like. Because they're completely separated from the circle of life.

• 2:18:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:20Joe Rogan?

  They're buying all their food from either a restaurant or a grocery store. They're they're not farming, they're not doing anything, they're enjoying meat without any death.

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  Right. You ever see Steven Pinker's book, The Blank Slate?

• 2:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:18:32Speaker 01

  You know, the the when the anthropologists came with their name, they they I think they were at Harvard and they came back from studying the Yanomami Indians or whatever. In the Amazon Basin, they were like, hey, guys, um, I know you think just white Anglo Saxons are aggressive and we have a culture that rewards male aggression. Those people have never been in contact with anybody white or Western and the guys that get laid the most are the guys that killed the most people in combat and had their hair on their daggers. So they they have their version of a fucking all-star quarterback too, and he gets all the pussy. And they were like, what the fuck? And they literally attacked their their reputations and everything. They they drove them out of academia.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:19:11Speaker 01

  Turns out that was truth.

• 2:19:12Joe Rogan?

  It should be obvious. It should be obvious. Like that, this is, there's like been a series of events that human beings have gone through that have developed this certain people, like we we understand it's an understanding that certain people are better at survival. Certain people are better at being the leader, certain people are better at warriors.

• 2:19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, and life takes a certain amount of aggression and competitive spirit. Or you're gonna fucking get eaten.

• 2:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're gonna get fucked is really what happens. That's right.

• 2:19:41Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:19:42Speaker 01

  So don't, don't you, it's great. I love that we're all, it's all utopian. Until your kids don't have enough to eat and then I'm gonna kill, that's what happens. People are really kumbaya until your kids have to struggle for resources and then they become genocidal. Jared Diamond, who wrote Guns, Germs and Steel, did this study with the fucking people up in the Guinea Highlands. The minute, the minute they they started running out of resources, they would, they would start coming up with stories about the other tribe over there. That were basically, yeah, they eat their own kids. Yeah, they're fucking really evil. Just to, just to whip up, just to justify what they were about to do to that other tribe.

• 2:20:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:21Speaker 01

  Cause they got their stuff.

• 2:20:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:24Speaker 01

  Human beings.

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean, there's beautiful things in urban environments and society where you don't have to struggle.

• 2:20:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to do that. So you can, you can get much more involved in art.

• 2:20:34Speaker 01

  You get more cooperative.

• 2:20:35Joe Rogan?

  Finance. There's a lot of things that people can achieve when they have that sort of shelter, but there's a balance to be achieved, you know, in our society, the influence. And the problem is the influence of these people that are detached in urban environments is so significant because there's so many of them. There's so many more people that are detached than are connected. That we have is like very weird, like appreciation and understanding of resources and of like just how hard it is to just survive without modern conveniences.

• 2:21:06Speaker 01

  I, I had a, I think what changed me a lot was when I was younger, I, I was accidentally around some pretty rough people, some criminals, people that were bad, violent, or you know. And I think I remember going, I remember, it's very scary when you're around people that are, you know, like that. And I never forgot it because I was pretty naive as most of us are coming up because I'd been around a good family and stuff like that. And I saw how ugly and dangerous some men can be, especially when nobody's looking. And it, I never forgot the idea.

• 2:21:48Joe Rogan?

  Especially in the areas that you grew up in.

• 2:21:49Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:21:50Joe Rogan?

  I mean.

• 2:21:50Speaker 01

  Well, I lived in, remember also I was in the war in Lebanon.

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:53Speaker 01

  So I think.

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  How old were you?

• 2:21:56Speaker 01

  I was, I left in, I was, I left Lebanon when I was, I went to, I was, I was 11 years old.

• 2:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So just imagine experiencing that as a 10 year old boy.

• 2:22:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then I went back. Remember, I went back when I was, I think 15, 16, and I didn't recognize anything from my childhood. So I was in Lebanon for five years. And so I had wonderful memories. And then the war broke out and we were stuck. My father couldn't get back in because he, he, he, he was, and then we got evacuated, but I was living in the, in the Holiday Inn for six months and we had to sleep on the floor. And then finally we had to, we had to go down into the fucking underground. Parking lot because they were bombing and you would wake up and you would hear machine guns and stuff. So you felt very out of sorts and very, very, it was very scary, you know, you're a kid, you know? And I remember seeing on a balcony, I remember seeing planes bomb a gas station. I never forgot it. I never forgot seeing the planes come in and the, the missiles dropped and just, you know,

• 2:22:53Speaker 01

  and, and the sound dude, the sound. And I don't know if anybody, anybody who's been in war knows this, but I was on the beach. I was on Coral Beach, um, and it probably was, it was in the eighties. I was a young, young, I was 14, 15, 16, whatever I was. They shot a rocket over our head. Okay? And I think it was a test fire. Dude, when I tell you that the sound was so loud that we all fell on the ground. I fell down on the sand. The sound was so disorienting that, that you, you, everybody went down on their hands and knees. That's how loud it was over your head. And I think that, that, that when you are in that kind of proximity to violence like that. And then later on, when I was older, I was around some, some people who were pretty rough, you know?

• 2:23:38Speaker 01

  And for me, I always, I, I knew that if the grid broke down, that those people were going to take over. And there was going to be no fucking mercy and I've never forgot that. And so you could see with COVID, the minute that, you know, law enforcement had to restrict their resources. You saw what happened, looting, you saw crime, you saw homelessness. And the fabric of a society can break down so fucking quickly. People don't realize it until you've been in countries where it's happened. And until you've been around men who negotiate the world in a violent way. And maybe in, in, in ways that are a little bit outside the law. You don't know what you're doing, man. You, you, you've got no idea. So all those people.

• 2:24:19Speaker 01

  And I love when the left starts talking about, you know, violent revolution. And you're in college kid, you have no fucking idea. You don't, first of all, don't wake up that. And don't wake up the conservative. Don't do that. Let's not even talk about it because I know a lot of guys that shoot real straight. You know.

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  And often.

• 2:24:38Speaker 01

  And yeah, and often, and they're very comfortable.

• 2:24:40Joe Rogan?

  They're really good at it.

• 2:24:41Speaker 01

  And they're comfortable in those violent spaces.

• 2:24:42Joe Rogan?

  Kind of ready.

• 2:24:43Speaker 01

  They're, they're, yeah.

• 2:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's not, let's not, let's not let those dogs slip.

• 2:24:49Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen John McPhee?

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have.

• 2:24:52Joe Rogan?

  The mayor of Baghdad?

• 2:24:53Speaker 01

  That'd be a good example of a guy.

• 2:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Like, that is a guy.

• 2:24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, just.

• 2:24:56Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:24:57Speaker 01

  His body just comes from enforcement. His traps, he just looks like a giant block. Yeah, he's a, he's a born enforcer. He's not gonna win a Nobel Prize for peace.

• 2:25:06Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:25:07Speaker 01

  You ever hear how Tim Kennedy talked about him?

• 2:25:08Joe Rogan?

  Like. Yeah.

• 2:25:09Speaker 01

  You put him in a glass case and break in case of war?

• 2:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Let's keep those guys.

• 2:25:14Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:25:15Speaker 01

  Let's keep them over here on a leash.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Thank God that guy found jujitsu, too.

• 2:25:18Speaker 01

  And that's why.

• 2:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Give him an outlet.

• 2:25:20Speaker 01

  Yes, and, and please understand that the base of our republic also is that we have civilian control of a military. And that was a huge, in the election between, I think, Madison and Jefferson, the idea was, was it Madison or was it, uh, Adams? I can't remember. But in the, the, the election was, should we have a standing army? Because traditionally, in a republic, if you had a standing army, a, a very charismatic general like Napoleon would take over the army and take over the country. So that was a huge thing. James Madison was a genius at figuring out how to, how to limit that. And he said, checks and balances, but you have to have civilian government in control of the military. Cause military people arrive at military solutions.

• 2:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:59Speaker 01

  Fucking really important, man, really important. You don't wanna, don't let guys like John McPhee, you need him in war.

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:06Speaker 01

  God bless, but let's just, you know.

• 2:26:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, you've had Eric Prince on your podcast, right?

• 2:26:10Speaker 01

  Very smart guy. Have you had him on?

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't.

• 2:26:13Speaker 01

  Man, I really enjoyed having him on.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  He was, uh, another guy who was talking about like what to do with Africa and I was like, Jesus.

• 2:26:19Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:21Speaker 01

  He used the word viceroy and he did it on purpose. It's like, he, he, uh, but, but, but Eric comes from a position of how to solve problems.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:31Speaker 01

  When he was talking about the, um, when he was talking about Gaza, he said, we have the ability to frack. What that means is we can drill sideways. He said, you could have filled those tunnels with seawater instead of bombing the shit out of, you know, 70% of it and killing all those people, you could have flooded those fuckers out. Cause you, you, you, you drill, and I don't know if this is true, I don't know anything about fracking, but he does. And he said, you, you could have drilled fucking this way, fill, take the Mediterranean, fill all those tunnels with seawater and they would have had to come up and you would have been just fine and just position people. You know, when they come out of the water.

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Why didn't they choose that?

• 2:27:07Speaker 01

  Uh, a good question. The same reason that in Afghanistan, they had an oil, they had an oil reserve there in Afghanistan that was well capped by the Soviets, well capped. We could have taken that cap off and that oil, they had enough oil to not only fuel the entire country, but the whole war effort, right there for about nine cents a gallon. But instead, we would get our oil from Saudi Arabia, et cetera, and have to ship it through Pakistan with all the roadblocks. So it was about 900 bucks a gallon or some crazy shit. He was on my thing talking about it.

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  This video says he presented a plan to do it, says blocked by the Pentagon. Let's, um, you hear this?

• 2:27:45Speaker 01

  Eric's a smart dude.

• 2:27:49Speaker 06

  Provided the Israelis a fully funded, donated ability to flood Gaza with water, with seawater, to flood the 300 miles of tunnels blocked by the Pentagon. Our stuff isn't working that well in Ukraine. The Navy has been ineffective in Yemen. US has given very bad advice, very mixed advice in Gaza, preventing the Israelis from finishing it, or even preventing from ending that war in a clever way.

• 2:28:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's very smart. And, and, and Eric is, uh, he's a problem solver. You can say whatever you want about him, but I, I really enjoy, I, he, he's a very smart guy. And I know people that work with him and for him and...

• 2:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, if the shit goes down, you need people like that. You need people that know how to solve problems.

• 2:28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but also, you know...

• 2:28:37Joe Rogan?

  You can't have some overweight lesbian that says that if you're trapped in the building, you already made a mistake. You already fucked up. You need me to carry you.

• 2:28:45Speaker 01

  Is that really what she said?

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  You want to hear it?

• 2:28:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. Let me hear it.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy, you could probably find it, right?

• 2:28:51Speaker 01

  Just, just so you can outrage me and give you more energy.

• 2:28:55Joe Rogan?

  I certainly have it in here.

• 2:29:01Joe Rogan?

  I know, uh, I can find it if you just give me a moment. It's just, it's so ridiculous. You, you hear a saying, you're like, what are you even saying? Here it is, I found it.

• 2:29:14Speaker 01

  It's not AI, right?

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no. Here, Jamie.

• 2:29:18Speaker 01

  This AI shit's getting crazy. I've had to call you and ask you. I called you, I was like, is this AI?

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  It's really hard to tell. Here, headphones on again, because you're gonna have to hear it, because it's so crazy.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  It's so ridiculous.

• 2:29:36Speaker 06

  Ouce your emergency, whether it's a medical call or a fire call, that looks like you. It gives that person a little bit more ease, knowing that somebody might understand their situation better. Is she strong enough to do this? Or, you couldn't carry my husband out of a fire? Which my response is, he got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.

• 2:29:55Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Oh, that's helpful.

• 2:29:57Joe Rogan?

  That is such a crazy way to look at things. The correct answer is, no, I cannot, but I can do other things.

• 2:30:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and we are gonna need people that can carry people out of buildings, because that is a part of the job.

• 2:30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  It's not, he got himself in a bad situation. Yeah.

• 2:30:14Speaker 01

  But again, this is social justice, social justice ideology over... Ideology over effectiveness, ideology over utility.

• 2:30:24Joe Rogan?

  One of the things we saw during the 2024 election is massive chunks of California turned red, that had never been red before. And, uh, I suspect that that trend will continue and be even further, and, uh, flip the top.

• 2:30:35Speaker 01

  There's a limit to what you can do. People, you know, they're not stupid. Americans, they, they, they reached their boiling point.

• 2:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think we're gonna get to a point where they wake up and you're gonna have to have someone come in and clean up the mess.

• 2:30:47Speaker 01

  I think the greatest...

• 2:30:48Joe Rogan?

  Someone's gonna have to be like socially liberal, but fiscally conservative and pragmatic and realistic. But they're, they're gonna have to like... Be a person like you or I, who like supports gay rights, supports women's rights, supports equal rights, like of course. But also, the thing is, don't hire people that aren't qualified for a job because you don't want to hire white people. That's crazy. Hire everybody that's qualified and then make everybody else more qualified. Go to the-

• 2:31:16Speaker 01

  Make everybody ra- ri- rise to the same level. That's why sports are great.

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Right. Figure out a way to fix all your fucking urban problems. If you have twenty-four billion dollars every year just for homelessness, imagine what that could have been done to clean up communities.

• 2:31:29Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Cause you haven't done a goddamn thing about homelessness and all those people should be held accountable.

• 2:31:34Speaker 01

  Well, that's because they, again, they're framing the problem wrong. If you talk to those people, you talk to the people in charge of homelessness, a lot of times, I'm not saying, a lot of them are, look, a lot of them are good people and a lot of them are smart and they know a lot more about it than I do. So I don't like being the guy who's talking about, like I, but I'm just saying, I like to be fair. I want to be fair. But I think when you're framing it just as a housing problem, and an equality problem, it's a fucking lie.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a bunch of people profiting. I mean, Colian Noir, when he was on the podcast, explained that to me for the first time. He said, when he was in San Francisco, he said, "What is going on? Do they just need more money?" He's like, "No, you don't understand. It's the opposite." It's like there's a business now in keeping homelessness there.

• 2:32:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:32:12Joe Rogan?

  Because there's people that are making a quarter, quarter million dollars a year and they're, they're just working on the homeless problem and they're failing. We got thirty-one thousand new homeless people this year. It's just failure.

• 2:32:23Speaker 01

  And you know, California was always, including under, uh, democratic governors, California was always known as a, as a place that was run very, very well, with really responsible civic employees for a long time, under Reardon and that and stuff, and then it just-

• 2:32:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's collapsing under the weight of its own bullshit.

• 2:32:40Speaker 01

  Oh, did I tell you, so, so I had, uh, I had, I was with Arnold Schwarzenegger and, and I asked him, "What was it like to be governor?" And one of the things I got was that how little power he, he was not able to get a lot of things done, but I'll give you a classic example. He said, and I'm sorry if I'm paraphrasing, but he said something, he said, "There was a water issue." And he said, "These farmers over here are not using all that water. So here's, ready? Here's what you do. Just take the water they're not using and give it to this, this part of the state over here. It's no big deal. Just pipe it over here." And his senators said- Mr. Governor, I can't do that. He says, why? He goes, because now you're asking me to go and ask my constituents to give up some of their water. They're gonna use that against me in my next election.

• 2:33:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:26Speaker 01

  So he goes, so Schwarzenegger goes, so then what the fuck are we gonna do? And he goes, here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna make a speech and you're gonna say exactly what you just said to us. And we're gonna say, yes, but then we're not gonna really let it happen. And he goes, that's how this works. He goes, how you're learning, baby? That's fucking California state politics.

• 2:33:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, that is where Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy come in. The Department of Government Efficiency? Maybe. For sure. Maybe. I don't know what they're gonna be able to get done.

• 2:33:55Speaker 01

  Let me give you an example. So Pete Hegseth seems like a great guy. I'm a fan. I don't know much about him, but I like, that kinda seems like kinda guy I'd like to hang out and have a beer with. I'm sure he's very smart. Princeton, I think. Harvard, like, Bronze Star, wrote four books. Awesome. I'm sure he'll be a very effective Secretary of Defense. However, that job, this, this DOD, I think has a million point one employees and a budget of $750 billion, maybe $850 billion. Now, just, that is a massive, massive company essentially. And that requires management on a different level.

• 2:34:36Speaker 01

  That skill set is very specific and very, very difficult and very strange. It doesn't mean that because you were a great soldier, you can necessarily do that. And I'm saying, I'm not, I'm just using it as an example. So we have to get down to brass tacks and take politics out of this and get real fucking practical with all this stuff. I think with Elon Musk and with Vivek Ramaswamy, the US government is a very complicated organism and massive and does a lot of shit none of us even know about. You know, I always use this as an example. Who the fuck keeps geese out of the airfields? The Department of Agriculture. Who keeps, who, who keeps falcons on hand at most airports? Peregrine falcons. You know who does? The Department of Agriculture. You know why? Cause they're territorial birds.

• 2:35:20Speaker 01

  They keep all the other birds out of the airfield. You know how to do that? Cause I don't. Who gets sheep to graze at a higher altitude? Cause of global warming and they, they don't want to graze when it's really hot. I don't know, but we have to do that if you want mutton and fucking wool. And there are scientists that have to figure that out. They're not political. There's a thousand things. Who manages all that nuclear waste in the ground and make sure it doesn't get into the Columbia River? And the waterways? Who manages our electric grid? This is all, who keeps track, please? I'd like to know of all these spent uranium rods, sir? That are used in all our diagnostic machines? Cause if you detonate one of those motherfuckers over the Superbowl? You have to clear out that city for 20 years. The Department of Energy is the answer.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  That's, um, Buttigieg. He's doing a great job.

• 2:36:05Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't he? No.

• 2:36:06Speaker 01

  Transportation.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  He's transportation. It was the guy who stole women's clothes.

• 2:36:09Speaker 01

  Hmm. Yeah, he's the nuclear secretary.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was responsible for that.

• 2:36:13Speaker 01

  That guy seems like fucking well.

• 2:36:15Joe Rogan?

  That's not a guy, that's a they, you piece of shit. Don't misgender.

• 2:36:18Speaker 01

  That's the most important thing, that fucking guy.

• 2:36:19Joe Rogan?

  Don't misgender that thief.

• 2:36:21Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ. You understand what I'm saying?

• 2:36:22Joe Rogan?

  Yes. So, so this is. Oh, it's beyond complicated.

• 2:36:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:26Joe Rogan?

  Unbelievably complicated.

• 2:36:27Speaker 01

  Uh, and so Michael Lewis wrote a book called The Fifth Risk about this. A good book, short, very worth reading. Very fucking worth reading. I walk around talking about being a libertarian. As usual, I don't really know what government does. It, I was so kind of humbled by the book. Cause I was like, there's a lot of shit I rely on. The people who are needy, people who are very elderly, people who are disabled, who live in places where they can't get food. Our food banks feed those people. Meals on Wheels is a really big thing. So there's a lot of shit that the government does. And we feed a lot of people that couldn't feed themselves otherwise. So we have to be careful about not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And once again, take politics out of it. Let's approach everything like it's a problem and stay agnostic about this shit. And sometimes you might have to be a little left, sometimes you might have to be a little right.

• 2:37:11Speaker 01

  Respond to the fucking evidence and, and, and be humble about the fact that every time you step into a problem? You may not know anything. And that's what. I try to do.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  Brian Callen for governor.

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Fucking, why didn't you write, I hope you guys wrote that shit down. Where's my camera?

• 2:37:24Joe Rogan?

  You don't need to write it down, bro. You just said it from the heart.

• 2:37:27Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah, dude.

• 2:37:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro.

• 2:37:28Speaker 01

  Fucking hilarious.

• 2:37:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why don't you be a governor?

• 2:37:30Speaker 01

  My buddy, my buddy, last time I did my podcast, my buddy AG goes like this. He goes, um, from Toholt, he goes, hey dude, loved your Rogan podcast. Next time you're on the biggest podcast in the world, make sure you talk about the fucking Bible some more.

• 2:37:44Joe Rogan?

  Hey man, it's interesting.

• 2:37:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm into that.

• 2:37:46Joe Rogan?

  I had that Wesley Huff guy on, you know who he is? Yeah, he was really interesting. And one of the most fascinating things that I can't stop thinking about is how the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls was verbatim the same as the book of Isaiah that they found a thousand years later. A thousand years. And it was exact, word for word. Like, that's incredible.

• 2:38:10Speaker 01

  It's not only incredible, but I always think the fact that the Bible endures is interesting, right?

• 2:38:15Joe Rogan?

  It's very interesting.

• 2:38:16Speaker 01

  It endures.

• 2:38:17Joe Rogan?

  And I always go back to like, what were they trying to do? What was it really all about?

• 2:38:22Speaker 01

  I think I know.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Start.

• 2:38:23Speaker 01

  I have an opinion.

• 2:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Tell me.

• 2:38:25Speaker 01

  I think that if you read the Old Testament, which I've done three times, the, the, I would argue that, so what, what's a theme of a, of a, any, anybody, any, any author writes a book? The theme is always the audience, the author's argument for how one should behave in the world. Okay? It's a good way of looking at it. And I think that the central theme of the Bible, of the Old Testament, certainly is, don't worship false gods. So what's that mean? If you try to worship false gods, if you, if you, if you put too much emphasis on money, on status, on power,

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  On ideology.

• 2:38:59Speaker 01

  On ideology. You, you will, you will inevitably turn yourself into a circle. You'll, you'll be a snake eating its own tail. For whatever reason, human beings have a very hard time inventing and creating their own gods. And we always do it. What, what, what, there is, what, the value of having a transcendent truth of something that you can't measure. It's very interesting that you can't measure it, that you even when, so, so would, why do the Muslims, why do the, the Orthodox Jews not have any kind of like? of God, it's because you're putting a measurement around God, you're trying to define God, and that's not for you to do. And there's something very valuable about not being able to do that. Because that transcendent truth is not for you to understand necessarily.

• 2:39:43Speaker 01

  It is for you to reach for, it is for you to be reverent of, it's for you to understand that something is watching you, that you will never get away with anything. And I'll quote Jordan Peterson, I love it, because I've always thought this, and I think you agree with this. You don't get away with anything, and you'll pay in full for everything you've done and haven't done. It's a great way of looking at things, maybe it's wrong, but it's a good way to at least, it's, it's, keep that in mind.

• 2:40:04Joe Rogan?

  I think you pay psychologically, no matter what.

• 2:40:06Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, when you're not telling the truth.

• 2:40:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, and the people that don't. Those are the people that are the most delusional and the most disconnected because they put blinders on as to who they are and what they've done. I mean, you see this when people get caught for horrible crimes and they, you know, they can't, like Bernie Madoff type people. Like, they've deluded themselves to a point where they've, they've, they don't look at, they're complete sociopaths. Which is a weird path that the mind can go into, where you're never wrong, and it's always about you.

• 2:40:39Speaker 01

  Well, also, like, I always, when people talk about God, I, I kind of like replacing it with truth. So, just, just try to stay close to the truth, man, and it's, it's hard, sometimes the truth is really fucking inconvenient. It's really, it's really, it'll, it might throw your whole life up in, in the air, you might have to burn off, you know, but, but. I don't think, I think it's inevitable, and, and part of like, if you, if you see great stories, you know, what's the definition of a tragedy? It's the, the hero or the protagonist doesn't learn from his mistakes. And, and, and holds on, Moby Dick is a tragedy because Ahab will not give up on this fucking white whale that took his leg.

• 2:41:15Speaker 01

  And if you read the book, he just gets sucked in, you'd think it'd be some dramatic thing, in the book, Ahab gets caught by the whale and just, he just, he just dies this quick. It's just soundless, he just gets sucked in, like, wait, dude, he's been in the book the whole time, what the fuck happened to the book? That's how it happens, bro, you got sucked down, and the universe doesn't give a fuck, you're not important. But you spent all that time trying to get vengeance on a white whale, and that's. Thing was like, he was just trying to run away. And you drown. It's a great way of looking at life. And, and I, I, as I get older, the one thing I would have told myself when I was younger, the one thing I would have told myself is I would have said, hey, listen, listen, fuckface. You better tell the truth all the way, all the way across the board, all the way across.

• 2:41:58Joe Rogan?

  Let me tell you something. You were an adolescent.

• 2:42:04Speaker 01

  You're so fucking right. Because you know what I always said to myself? I'm one of God's favorites. These things don't apply to me.

• 2:42:12Joe Rogan?

  You were charming, you know, charming is a problem.

• 2:42:15Speaker 01

  Got away with a lot.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, charm and you were fun to be around. People liked you. You're fun.

• 2:42:20Speaker 01

  Lot of friends.

• 2:42:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of friends.

• 2:42:22Speaker 01

  Found my way through.

• 2:42:23Joe Rogan?

  And also we liked that you were ridiculous. We liked that you're living your life completely chaotic.

• 2:42:28Speaker 01

  Reckless.

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also why you're funny. Like that, that's the balancing act. As a comic, as a human.

• 2:42:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't want to be too, I didn't want to be, the people I knew who got real famous actors, they were so buttoned down. They were so fucking afraid of everything. And I was like, hey, bro, I think sometimes you gotta be willing to throw the whole fucking chessboard in the air. You know, it's like my favorite.

• 2:42:48Joe Rogan?

  If you want to be funny.

• 2:42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you, if you become too calculated, man, I just think you outthink yourself. You lose the magic. You lose the ma, the, part of the magic of being a comedian is these sparks of ridiculousness that have to pop into your head. So you have to be able to entertain that part of your mind. I used to think when I was young that I, I didn't want to meditate. Cause I didn't want to become enlightened, cause it would fuck up my comedy.

• 2:43:16Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, I thought that way because I realized that there was a completely different mindset between me as a martial arts competitor and me as a comedian. Where I didn't need anybody's approval before. Like I, I, I liked that they didn't like me. I used to love going to places and fucking up the local hero. I used to enjoy it.

• 2:43:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:34Joe Rogan?

  I just get a kick out of all, cause I didn't have anybody in my corner. I didn't have anybody cheering for me. Nobody came to see me fight. So I was like, I'll go to your place and fuck you up. I liked it. I liked, I liked.

• 2:43:44Speaker 01

  Relying on yourself.

• 2:43:46Joe Rogan?

  There was one, there was a fight that I had when I was 19 and I fought in Anaheim at the Nationals and there was this guy who was the state champion, I think he was from Illinois, and I hit him with a wheel kick. That was probably the hardest I've ever hit anybody in my life.

• 2:44:01Speaker 01

  Kill somebody like that?

• 2:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, he went unconscious and he never woke up. They took him to the hospital, they took him out on a stretcher. It scared the shit out of me.

• 2:44:08Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 2:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Because I remember thinking that easily could have been me.

• 2:44:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:13Joe Rogan?

  That easily could have been me. But what I do remember was all these people were cheering them, "Let's go Johnny, come on Johnny, fuck him up Johnny." All these people were cheering. "Whack!" Silence.

• 2:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Face plant and then snoring.

• 2:44:26Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:44:27Joe Rogan?

  And then I remember the satisfaction of that, like, "Shut the fuck up."

• 2:44:32Speaker 01

  And it feels like nothing on your foot.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, it hurt. I was limping.

• 2:44:35Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  For days.

• 2:44:36Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:44:37Speaker 01

  Did you hit him with your heel?

• 2:44:38Joe Rogan?

  I hit him with my heel in his cheekbone.

• 2:44:40Speaker 01

  Oh, Christ.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  On his cheekbone. Yeah.

• 2:44:43Speaker 01

  That'll hurt.

• 2:44:44Joe Rogan?

  Fast. I was fast.

• 2:44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, still are.

• 2:44:48Joe Rogan?

  But back then when I was 19, I was fast. So it happened in a breeze, a quick moment. And then I remember thinking afterwards, "When is he getting up? He's not getting up." He didn't get up. And then they carried him away in the stretcher and they took him to the hospital. And I never felt the same way about fighting again after that.

• 2:45:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, because that could have been you.

• 2:45:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I also thought about, like, if that was me, would I even be the same person again after that? Because I had a friend who fought in this tournament, he fought this guy Jersey Long, who was this Canadian national champion, and he got axe kicked in the head.

• 2:45:22Speaker 01

  Oof.

• 2:45:22Joe Rogan?

  Hard. And he went unconscious and real bad. And he was never the same guy again.

• 2:45:27Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:45:27Joe Rogan?

  He was timid after that, he never fought well.

• 2:45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:30Joe Rogan?

  He didn't show up for training a lot. He was just, and he just seemed depressed.

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  That's why I think fighters who have longevity are very special, because one of the things you know if you like just box or Taekwondo especially, people don't realize that people would get knocked out all the time in our studio.

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:46Speaker 01

  But also boxing, like, when you get hit hard and you have trouble chewing for like two weeks, or you get hit, like when I was sparring a lot, I would get hit, man, and I would get fucking gun shy. And my trainer, Wayne McCulloch, would go, "You're sparring today." And it was everything I could do not to turn my car around. It would almost turn me into a liar. I was like, "I have to, I'm in the hospital."

• 2:46:10Speaker 01

  Ah, my car just got hit by a truck, anything. But I would, you'd get there and you'd have your fucking, your, I would wear a bar, cause I'm a bitch, and a mouthpiece, and I, I was still always nervous. And I got, I was fighting good guys, fighting guys like me, fucking weekend warriors.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't matter, just the person trying to hit you in the face is scary.

• 2:46:28Speaker 01

  You know what I think, you know what I think meditation does, I think, I think the point is, and I don't meditate a lot, is to get out of your own, to get out of the way, like to, to get out of the way, like literally.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of life.

• 2:46:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, you, you should disappear.

• 2:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:40Speaker 01

  I heard a sports psychologist say that, he teaches baseball players, he would teach them, he would do this mantra, which was, one, two, get out of the way. So when you're trying to hit a ball, cause it's really precise, and you can't be overthinking, you've got to just be totally reactive, right? Your, your, your eye and your hands have to be married. And motherfuckers are throwing a hundred mile an hour balls and shit like that.

• 2:47:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:03Speaker 01

  And, um, you ever, you ever done that? You ever stood in, at a plate and had guys throw a hundred miles an hour?

• 2:47:08Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:47:08Speaker 01

  I have, I have.

• 2:47:09Joe Rogan?

  Insane.

• 2:47:10Speaker 01

  Fucking terrifying.

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  The idea of hitting that thing.

• 2:47:12Speaker 01

  Dude, it's terrifying.

• 2:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:15Speaker 01

  And, and, but I, I wanted to try it, and I want to see what it was like. And when you, when your job depends on it, when, when everything rides on it, you better get out of your own way. And guys get the yips, that's why guys will go on hitting streaks, and then they'll go on long dry spells. Cause they get in their own way. But I think part of like, all of that meditation, Jamie, pull up the, uh, fucking Indian Army, did you see this? They were hiking.

• 2:47:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:47:41Speaker 01

  In the Himalayas, and they came across a Bodhisattva, or one, uh, you know, a, a monk, who was meditating in the snow, and it was forty below.

• 2:47:52Joe Rogan?

  This is recently?

• 2:47:53Speaker 01

  Yes, sir, you might want to bring this up, so it can just fuck with you.

• 2:47:56Joe Rogan?

  You know what, uh, Customano used to tell Mike Tyson? You don't exist, just the task, the task exists.

• 2:48:02Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't exist.

• 2:48:04Speaker 01

  He's become a bit of a monk.

• 2:48:08Joe Rogan?

  So they found this guy?

• 2:48:10Speaker 01

  That's one guy.

• 2:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, this is AI.

• 2:48:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:12Joe Rogan?

  That's a, that's in a green screen.

• 2:48:14Speaker 04

  This is two or three years old.

• 2:48:15Joe Rogan?

  Shut up, it's fake.

• 2:48:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's bad.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  Look at that dude. I bet that dude's boring as fuck to talk to.

• 2:48:20Speaker 01

  There's a guy, there's a guy meditating.

• 2:48:21Joe Rogan?

  Look at him, sitting there with a dog.

• 2:48:23Speaker 01

  There's a guy meditating, covered in snow.

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Om.

• 2:48:25Speaker 01

  And it's fucking unbelievable.

• 2:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:48:28Speaker 01

  That might be true, bubba.

• 2:48:29Joe Rogan?

  Om.

• 2:48:30Speaker 01

  That might be true.

• 2:48:30Joe Rogan?

  He looks legit.

• 2:48:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they find these guys out there.

• 2:48:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he looks legit.

• 2:48:34Speaker 01

  They find these guys.

• 2:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I like to see him a couple hours later.

• 2:48:38Speaker 01

  But there's a guy covered in snow, and he's not moving, and the Indian army came across.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it looks like he's having fun. What's the temperature like? Dogs having fun too, though.

• 2:48:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's, it might be sunshine.

• 2:48:45Joe Rogan?

  We don't think that dog's amazing.

• 2:48:47Speaker 01

  That's in Utah.

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  We're like, that dog's amazing. You think that's in Utah?

• 2:48:51Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Come on, man, that's real.

• 2:48:52Speaker 01

  That's some guy on a lot of drugs.

• 2:48:53Joe Rogan?

  That guy is, no, man, he's, uh, he did the DMT breathing.

• 2:48:56Speaker 01

  Well, you know those dudes in, in, you ever read Shantaram? You know those guys who take a vow to never sit down? They stand up.

• 2:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:49:02Speaker 01

  You ever seen their legs in India?

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:49:04Speaker 01

  Oh, bro.

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  Their knees must be destroyed.

• 2:49:05Speaker 01

  They're the, they're the standing, they're the standing yogis.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  How bad are their knees?

• 2:49:09Speaker 01

  No, no, they, they get varicose veins, their bodies, their, their feet start to melt, like, they, they, but they smoke copious amounts of weed. I mean, they're always high, constantly.

• 2:49:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:19Speaker 01

  But they, they take a vow never to ever, ever sit. They are standing their whole life, so they sleep standing up in slings.

• 2:49:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's ridiculous.

• 2:49:28Speaker 01

  And, uh, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't.

• 2:49:29Joe Rogan?

  What do their legs look like?

• 2:49:30Speaker 01

  You should, you can, you can look that up.

• 2:49:34Speaker 01

  Just to fuck you up some more.

• 2:49:35Speaker 04

  Give me, standing yogis just show me also some positions for yoga.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  What is it? How would you describe it as? Standing yogis?

• 2:49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're like the standing, the famous standing yogis or something they're called.

• 2:49:45Speaker 04

  Where from, maybe? Do you know where?

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  India.

• 2:49:47Speaker 04

  India?

• 2:49:48Speaker 01

  India, I think in Calcutta.

• 2:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Ugh.

• 2:49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sometimes the ferry's only a nickel. You know? You don't have to stand all day, you fucking idiot. Have a seat, smoke a cigar.

• 2:49:59Speaker 01

  Exactly, please.

• 2:50:00Joe Rogan?

  Relax a little bit.

• 2:50:01Speaker 01

  At the end of the day, they're trying to get laid.

• 2:50:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what they're trying to do. They're, they're definitely not trying to get laid, right? Cause they don't do it.

• 2:50:08Speaker 01

  I think a lot of people are dealing with trauma. I think a lot of times, you, you're gonna either kill yourself or do something crazy, right?

• 2:50:15Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes.

• 2:50:15Speaker 01

  You're trying to find something.

• 2:50:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:16Speaker 01

  You know? I don't think you become a monk or a shaman. Joseph Campbell did a whole thing. Every shaman he studied, he, he was an expert at comparing Western and Eastern traditions. And he said, every shaman. Ever had gone through some kind of a, a mental breakdown, usually in their teens. And they came out of it because they had a society, a village that helped them through it. That, that's sort of like, understood that it was, uh, it was a schizophrenic break, but they were going through something. And there was something on the other side of that. So they, they wouldn't medicate them.

• 2:50:48Speaker 04

  Standing babbas.

• 2:50:50Joe Rogan?

  This is got, what is this standing, what? Standing babbas.

• 2:50:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:53Joe Rogan?

  What are the, uh, look at that guy's foot. Go back to that other image that you had before.

• 2:50:57Speaker 01

  It's not a good, it's not.

• 2:50:57Joe Rogan?

  What did you have before?

• 2:50:58Speaker 01

  No, that's a woman who's been bound.

• 2:50:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's different. Oh, that's Chinese ladies. Oh, my God. That is the most disgusting thing. The Chinese foot binding, like, Jesus Christ.

• 2:51:06Speaker 01

  I saw that with my own eyes in, in, uh, 1984 in China. I went to.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  So this is how this guy stands?

• 2:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Just propped up all the time. That dude looks like he has one leg.

• 2:51:17Speaker 01

  Donations. No, they, they.

• 2:51:18Speaker 04

  Left his arm in the air too.

• 2:51:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus. Look at his arm. Forever.

• 2:51:22Speaker 01

  He keeps his arm up.

• 2:51:23Speaker 04

  It's 1973.

• 2:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. He hasn't brought it down since 1973. He sees it as a devotion to Lord Shiva. Maybe Lord Shiva like, hey, hey, hey, hey, wipe your ass.

• 2:51:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I gave you two arms.

• 2:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Wipe your ass. You can't use the same arm to feed yourself and wipe your ass. You're gonna have to wipe your ass. That's crazy. Look at his arm. I bet I could arm wrestle the shit out of that dude. I'd bet everything I have.

• 2:51:46Speaker 01

  But that's not the point, man.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Everything I have, dude, let's go.

• 2:51:48Speaker 01

  You know who's into arm wrestling now? Brian Shaw.

• 2:51:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:51:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:52Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem.

• 2:51:52Speaker 01

  He's been training hard for it.

• 2:51:53Joe Rogan?

  That's a real problem.

• 2:51:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Look at that dude. Just ha- high out of his mind.

• 2:51:57Speaker 01

  I tell you, Brian took a.

• 2:51:59Joe Rogan?

  White power.

• 2:52:03Joe Rogan?

  What does he do? What is that?

• 2:52:05Speaker 01

  That's, uh, no, so that's black power.

• 2:52:07Joe Rogan?

  Black power.

• 2:52:08Speaker 01

  That's why.

• 2:52:08Joe Rogan?

  Which one? White power is the hand? It's all about the hand movement.

• 2:52:10Speaker 01

  If you extend your fingers, it's, it's.

• 2:52:12Joe Rogan?

  So white power is just basically a bitch slap.

• 2:52:14Speaker 01

  Pro-black, pro-white.

• 2:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Black power will fuck you up.

• 2:52:17Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:52:17Joe Rogan?

  White power is just.

• 2:52:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's not. And Hitler did this.

• 2:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:23Speaker 01

  Everybody else did this, he did this.

• 2:52:24Joe Rogan?

  It's funny, like when CNN was attacking me, one of the photos that they would use all the time was me at the UFC waving to the crowd. Like this, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to.

• 2:52:32Speaker 01

  Fuck you guys.

• 2:52:32Joe Rogan?

  They would use me standing like this. This one is like they caught.

• 2:52:37Speaker 01

  That Blake Lively, uh, Justin Baldoni thing?

• 2:52:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:40Speaker 01

  When you see what the New York Times did to Baldoni, where they took every one of those things out of context and Baldoni was like, really? How about I see you for 250 million dollars?

• 2:52:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:49Speaker 01

  And, and he's got fucking 90 pages of receipts. It's gonna be very interesting.

• 2:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, very interesting. It's, it's interesting how the mainstream media just continues to go down this road of discrediting themselves.

• 2:53:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't understand it.

• 2:53:03Joe Rogan?

  It's, well, it's the rise of independent journalism because there are the Michael Schellenbergers, the Matt Taibis, there, there are the.

• 2:53:09Speaker 01

  Barry Weiss.

• 2:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Barry Weiss, these people in the world, Glenn Greenwald, there's these people that you can trust that are gonna tell you the fucking truth, no matter what.

• 2:53:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I like about the marketplace. The marketplace will find people that you, you can rely on.

• 2:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:53:21Speaker 01

  To actually.

• 2:53:22Joe Rogan?

  As long as there's freedom of speech, as long as you don't have censorship.

• 2:53:26Speaker 01

  That's Elon Musk.

• 2:53:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's Elon Musk.

• 2:53:28Speaker 01

  I feel like YouTube and, and now Facebook, they're all coming around.

• 2:53:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was one of the things that Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg came on yesterday to talk about. They've changed their content policy. They no longer have fact checkers and now they're gonna rely on community notes.

• 2:53:40Speaker 01

  What is that? I don't understand that.

• 2:53:42Joe Rogan?

  They used to have fact checkers.

• 2:53:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:53:43Joe Rogan?

  Like someone would say something and someone say, that's not true, the vaccine's nothing but amazing and they, they'll, they'll take off posts.

• 2:53:50Speaker 01

  So what are community notes?

• 2:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Community notes is what X uses. So like, say if you post something, it's not true, the community notes underneath it would, you could write community notes.

• 2:53:59Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:53:59Joe Rogan?

  So the community notes would be, everybody would post into it, this is not true, and it would come to a consensus, the, the fact state that this and that, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. It's amazing. It's the best way to do it because eventually the truth comes out.

• 2:54:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  The truth comes out. Brian Callen, I love you to death.

• 2:54:15Speaker 01

  Love you too, buddy.

• 2:54:15Joe Rogan?

  You're the fucking man.

• 2:54:16Speaker 01

  Two shows tonight.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm so happy that you're filming at the club.

• 2:54:19Speaker 01

  Thank you, buddy.

• 2:54:19Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be fucking awesome.

• 2:54:20Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:54:21Joe Rogan?

  Are you filming tomorrow night?

• 2:54:22Speaker 01

  Tomorrow night, tonight I'm doing two shows just to warm up. Theo Von's stopping by, which I'm excited about.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  So tomorrow night, 7 and 10?

• 2:54:28Speaker 01

  7 and 10 tomorrow night.

• 2:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 2:54:29Speaker 01

  Sold out already, all shows.

• 2:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:54:31Speaker 01

  Which is exciting.

• 2:54:32Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:54:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:33Joe Rogan?

  So exciting.

• 2:54:33Speaker 01

  I'm pumped, buddy.

• 2:54:34Joe Rogan?

  I'm pumped for people to see your set, too.

• 2:54:35Speaker 01

  Thank you, bro.

• 2:54:36Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be fucking powerful.

• 2:54:37Speaker 01

  I'm very proud of it, and I'm proud of it.

• 2:54:38Joe Rogan?

  I love you, man.

• 2:54:39Speaker 01

  Love you too, buddy.

• 2:54:39Joe Rogan?

  Thank you very much for doing this. Bye, everybody.