TRAVIS BARKER: "My Biggest Fear Actually Happened"

In this episode, Jay sits down with legendary drummer Travis Barker to talk about the discipline that built his career, the tragedy that almost ended it, and the slow, hard-won path back to peace. Travis opens up about losing his mother as a teenager, his struggles with addiction, the 2008 plane crash that changed his life, and how love, friendship, and sheer determination brought him back to himself. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty PURPOSE10 for 10% at altrarunning.com⁠/onpurpose. Free Shipping and Free 30-Day Trial. JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe here: https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:43 Childhood Memories & Drum Practice 03:08 Skateboarding 03:48 Drum Kit & Musical Genres 05:45 Getting Good & Learning Jazz Charts 07:49 Natural Talent Vs. Hard Work 09:56 Grieving The Loss Of His Mother 11:54 Mom’s Final Advice & Marching Band Tryouts 13:40 Garage Rehearsals & Dad’s Hard Ultimatums 15:58 The Grind of Being In An Independent Band 17:42 Counselors Laughing At The Dream 19:13 How Blink-182 Came Into His Life 22:17 What Practicing Looks Like Today 23:26 Early Financial Success & His Dad’s Advice 26:55 Introduction To Drugs And Self-Medicating 30:48 Inside Blink-182’s First Breakup 32:32 Collaborating With DJ AM 35:01 High-Functioning Addiction & DJ AM’s Intervention 37:01 The South Carolina Show & His Daughter’s Premonition 41:47 The Plane Crash 45:17 Processing Loss And Amputation Fears 48:49 Survivor’s Guilt & 20 Years Without Flying 50:18 How Kourtney Got Him Flying Again 51:36 Skin Grafts And Hospital Suicidal Thoughts 54:44 Grieving the Death of DJ AM 59:20 Feeling The Presence of Passed Loved Ones 01:00:20 Surprises of Life Today 01:01:07 His Relationship with Kourtney Kardashian 01:02:41 Navigating A Miscarriage 01:03:51 Rocky’s Birth And Emergency Fetal Surgery 01:05:25 The Decision To Go Sober 01:07:32 First Flight In 20 Years 01:10:00 Blink-182 Reunion 01:11:53 Overcoming Fear & Running Toward Challenges 01:14:19 What His Mother Would Be Most Proud Of 01:14:45 Favorite Collaborations & Grammy Moment 01:16:10 Travis Barker On Final Five Episode Resources: Website | https://www.travisbarker.com/ Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/travisbarker YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/user/travisbarker Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/travisbarkerofficial/ X | https://x.com/travisbarker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 3:10Jay Shetty?

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• 3:12Speaker 01

  Amazing, amazing.

• 3:14Jay Shetty?

  Ever since I moved here eight years ago, it has been my favorite restaurant is where I take all my friends, whether they eat meat or don't eat meat, and it is easily, easily hands down the best vegan restaurant in the world, so.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  I love to hear it. Yeah, that's, I really feel like it is one of the best vegan restaurants in LA for vegans and non-vegans. Just, just good food.

• 3:34Jay Shetty?

  I agree, good vibes too.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, good vibes.

• 3:36Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful atmosphere, the staff is amazing. Shout out to Miriam, she's incredible.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, Miriam's awesome, tall as the, is the GOAT.

• 3:44Jay Shetty?

  Hey, it's Jay. I don't know what your day's been like, but I was just thinking about you for a minute. And I hope you're being a little patient with yourself, because you deserve it. And yeah, I'll talk to you soon.

• 4:07Jay Shetty?

  Travis Barker, welcome to On Purpose.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you for having me.

• 4:11Jay Shetty?

  It's good to finally meet you. I feel like I've missed you a couple of times in the same room or not really come across you, but getting to watch this documentary and getting to experience you in such an intimate way, I just wanted to say, first of all, thank you for making it, and thank you for allowing us in. And I really hope that this interview allows you an opportunity to share the inner workings and the inner dialogue that you've been experiencing for the past few decades of entertaining us, but also living life. But yeah, thank you for putting that together.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Thank you for, for watching it and, you know, being a part of this whole process of talking about it.

• 4:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I want to start by saying, I was just sharing with you outside, when I sit down with someone, Travis, I'm always fascinated by who we were and how we became. And so one of my favorite questions to ask people is, what's a childhood memory that you have that you think defines who you are today?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Just like the first time I played drums and the love I had for drums and the love my parents had for me drumming, that was the magic of it all, really, you know? And then my parents being so, at the time, probably a little hard on me, disciplining me to like practice all the time, which was the best thing they could have ever done for me, you know? I think some parents feel bad to, to try to, you know, motivate their children to, to practice something they love doing, or even something they, they share with them, I want to be good at this. I mean, the best thing my parents could have done is say like, oh, then you gotta practice, you gotta practice two hours every day before you go skateboarding or go ride BMX bikes. That was everything to me.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  That was, that's what gave me so much confidence as a child, you know? Without that, I'd have been, think about it, I would have been lost. It shaped me, it was everything, you know?

• 5:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I, I remember, so I loved the drums growing up too.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 6:01Jay Shetty?

  But I was, I think my parents were more the opposite, they hated me making a racket in the house.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  It is.

• 6:08Jay Shetty?

  Because it's a racket.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Your parents, you gotta have the coolest parents ever, because it's so loud, it's so noisy. But I think about like the different paths that I went down, like I loved skateboarding and I have early memories of my dad, there was this place called Pick and Save Warehouse, and we would go, everyone would go, there was no internet then, there was no, everyone just knew on Sundays, you go to Pick and Save Warehouse, someone's gonna break the chain link fence and we're all gonna go skateboarding in this ditch. And my pops used to take me, so just doing stuff like that, like as a parent and those early memories of your parents supporting what you want to do is everything. I was loud, like my neighbors hated us, they were constantly calling the police on us, and my parents were just so good about it.

• 6:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  They were so determined for me to be a drummer.

• 6:57Jay Shetty?

  I was rebelling because my parents wanted me to play the piano. And I was like, I want to do drum kit, like I want to play the drums. And so I shifted my classes over to play percussion, and it was so much fun. It was just the type of music I listened to, which was mainly hip hop and rap at the time, I feel like it didn't really allow for me to explore my drumming capabilities as much.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  I would play like everything from Beastie Boys albums to like Public Enemy, whatever I was listening to, Run DMC when I was a kid, and then I would also be listening to like Motorhead, Metallica, King Diamond, and learning all those songs. My parents wanted the same thing, they're like, what, you, you could play piano though, it's way quieter, you could play Beatles songs for us, whatever it was. But I thought piano was so lame compared to drums, but piano's a great instrument. Everyone should, if they could, learn how to play the piano.

• 7:52Jay Shetty?

  Because?

• 7:52Speaker 01

  It's a bet, it's just great for songwriting, understanding chords, keys, like everything. It's just great, it's great for songwriting. So I wish I would have played more piano, ironically, I'm learning how to play piano again now, but drums were way cooler. In band, drums were the coolest people in the band, by far, not because I was a drummer, but the horn players weren't cool, the flute players, no one was cool, the drummers were cool.

• 8:17Jay Shetty?

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• 9:00Speaker 01

  My parents making me practice for one.

• 9:02Jay Shetty?

  How many hours?

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Uh, usually like at least one to three hours a day.

• 9:07Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  If I wanted to go out and skateboard and do all the things I wanted to do at the time, you just leave the house and you come back before it's, you need to go to sleep, you know? My parents also got me this drum instructor named Ed Will when I was a kid, and he taught me how to read music. So I learned, I was learning jazz charts. Learning all these cool songs that my parents loved. Taught me about Buddy Rich, some, some great jazz musicians, Miles Davis. But then when it came time to be like, hey, I wanna learn Jump by Van Halen, or whatever it was, the teacher was like, I'm not teaching you that. That's not, that's not music. So that was on me. So I learned how to read music, which was really valuable for when I got into orchestra or marching band or jazz band.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  But everything else I, I needed to, to teach myself. So I was self-taught and it would just be a matter of putting on records and even learning like rap records, cause I was the same thing. I was listening to The Far Side, Tribe Called Quest. All that music was, was really, really like what I would go skateboarding to. Also skate videos would show me so many styles of music I didn't know about, whether it was like thrash bands or punk bands or, or hip hop artists. So I just started learning anything I would listen to.

• 10:22Jay Shetty?

  How did your mom encourage you for your discovering your passion for music?

• 10:27Speaker 01

  The story was I was playing on pots and pans as a kid and I was relentless. I wouldn't stop. And I was just breaking spoons, any, anything, you know? And I did it so much that they thought, maybe we should get him a drum kit. I got an Animal drum kit from The Muppets, played that every day, wore it out. And she was just like, that he's gonna be a drummer. And then her and my dad went on this mission to, to execute that, that, that dream.

• 10:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? How kids just love playing on pots and pans. You just, you just had the discipline and the practice and the, you know, obviously the skill and the talent and the gift. Do you believe that your love for music and your ability was a gift that you already had? And that you found it as it went along? Or was it something that you feel you just built and developed? Like, how do you see it?

• 11:19Speaker 01

  I think both. I think it was natural. Cause it's different, you know? And I think about my kids, Atyana Landon in Alabama, I made them play drums. I was like, if someone hands you drumsticks, you're my kids, you better know how to do something, even if it's just a little something, you gotta, you know? With Rocky, he plays a lot. He, he's always tapping to the point where he goes to like my wife's mom's house and she's like, we're trying to watch a movie, why is he tapping? And I'm like, I heard the story afterwards. I'm like, it's cause he's a drummer. This is what drummers do. That's what I do all the time. So with me, there's no drummer, there's no one that's a musician in my family. I felt like it was in me. And then once it's in you, then it, then it takes hard work after that.

• 12:04Jay Shetty?

  I always like to ask that question to someone who's done something at the highest level because I feel like there is a sense of, no, you have a natural talent. Like for me, I feel like I had no natural talent. Like it was never possible for me to get that good. I was okay. And I practiced and I worked hard or whatever, but there just wasn't that natural ability that was, you know, gifted to me that was there.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. I think it was like, it was written, you know? Also, I didn't, thank God that they pursued that and they, and they really kind of like pushed me to practice a lot. Cause like I said, I'd hate to be lost, just a grown up and not have anything I was passionate about or like that I felt like I was good at. Life would have been crazy.

• 12:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I assume it gave you a lot of confidence as well, right?

• 12:47Speaker 01

  It did. Yeah, it did. After my mom passed away, that's all I focused on. You know, cause I knew it was her dream for me to play drums. So I was, I was determined. I was like, I gotta fulfill this dream of my mom's. And when the going got tough, that, that's always what I, that's what I knew how to do.

• 13:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Talk to me about that moment, you know, when you're watching the documentary and I mean, this is like the first major loss that you have that kind of becomes this story of your life. Like, talk to me about that moment when your mother passes away a day before you start high school.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:23Jay Shetty?

  Like, just to walk me through what that even feels like as such a young man and young boy.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  I mean, it's hard to even describe. I mean, it came as a shock. Cause I also at a young age, I didn't, no one, no one sat me down and was like, mom could pass away. No one, no one said those words to me. It was just a matter of my family was all doing different things. My dad was a steel mill worker at Kaiser Steel in Fontana. He worked sixty plus hours a week. My sisters were, I think in high school and, you know, just graduating. So everyone was kind of doing their own thing. It was my responsibility to get on my BMX bike and ride to the hospital every day. So that's kind of like how things were. And yeah, I just went one time and it was like, mom passed away. And I was just broken, you know?

• 14:13Speaker 01

  My reality now is so different, but like for that, it was like, my dad still went to work the next day and he still had to pay bills. I still went to school. It was like, just no grieving, just head down,

• 14:30Speaker 01

  fists up and just, you know, power through life. That's kind of what, what it was like.

• 14:34Jay Shetty?

  So you never even got to be with her when she was passing away? This was like, you got there and found out?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  I got there right before she passed away. So yeah. And I think I just would like grieve on my own, but never really had any, I don't know, like structure or, or maybe talk to someone, either to my dad. I don't think anyone knew how to deal with what just happened, you know? It was difficult.

• 14:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm so sorry for your loss, man.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you.

• 14:58Jay Shetty?

  I mean, it's the worst thing that could possibly happen, no matter what age you are and to go through it that young. Do you remember the last conversation you ever did have with her before that moment?

• 15:08Speaker 01

  She had actually said to me, like, you have to just focus on music, focus on being a drummer, like play drums. So I kind of took the message and, you know, just dove into that. So there's never a good time for that to happen. Like I just, I had like a tour manager who, who's a grown man and his dad just passed away. And I'm like, there, there's no age where it's okay or it feels better. It just, it's terrible.

• 15:35Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing that that's what she said to you there.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that that, that stuck with me. So it was so loud to me, to where I just like started school. I'd missed summer band camp where, cause drumline gets a little more serious in high school. People are working like six weeks during the summer, just learning all these rudiments and, and all these things they're gonna be tested on to figure out who gets first snare. So I missed all of it. I got handed the music the first day of school and I said, please just let me try out. Made drumline, made snare, uh, made snare line, joined jazz band, joined orchestra, started taking out multiple like band wanted in, in, in magazines like where I grew up, like called Mean Street.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Also things like drummer looking for a punk band, drummer looking for a metal band. I literally made one for every style of music I loved.

• 16:31Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was just like, people would be flying in from Texas to come jam with me in my bedroom. And that's when I just started forming bands.

• 16:39Jay Shetty?

  How supportive was your dad after your mom passed away?

• 16:42Speaker 01

  He was always as supportive as he could be. Like I said, he was working all the time. He was also in another relationship. So it was like, man, I think everyone was having a hard time, but no one, I think everyone was grieving in their own way.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  He was always so supportive of my music. I literally had bands that were, that I would start and we'd be practicing in the garage. Police would be constantly coming, but it could be worse. I could be whatever, getting in trouble with my hood them friends where I grew up, whatever, you know? So I think he always was just like, you know, as I got a little older, like right when I was graduated high school and I was working jobs, he's like, yo, you gotta get out of this garage and like make something of yourself. Like this has either gotta take off. Or I think you should join the military, like I did, like go in the army. Or get a better job and start paying rent if you're gonna live here. I actually contemplated, I was like, maybe I will just quit playing drums. Maybe I will

• 17:42Speaker 01

  join the military or I'll get a job. Ended up applying for a job. I was working at Target in the garden center at the time. And then I got an opportunity to work at the distribution center. I called my buddy, um, Noel, who was in this band I was playing in, a punk band called Feeble. I said, yeah, I think I'm gonna take this job. Think I'm gonna stop playing drums. He said, I really, really feel like you're, you have so much talent, Trav. You, you can't waste your talent. You can get a job anytime. Come stay with me in Laguna Beach. I'll try to get you a job at the city being a trash man if you're down. But I, I think you're gonna look back on this, you're gonna regret it. Like you have, you're too talented to go get a job.

• 18:22Jay Shetty?

  That's a great friend.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you saved my life. So.

• 18:25Jay Shetty?

  Did you ever become a trash man in Laguna Beach?

• 18:27Speaker 01

  I did. I told my pops, I said, I'm, I'm moving to Laguna. He's like, okay. He gave me three ultimatums. I took one. So I moved to Laguna, stayed in, in Noel's apartment. There was always a few people staying there. It was like a one, one bedroom, just like studio apartment. Was a trash man, played in this band called Feeble out there. And, uh, life was good. Life was great. I was never been somewhere so beautiful as Laguna Beach. That was paradise to me. I was skateboarding every day, was playing music, playing the drums every day. From the time I woke up to the time I went to sleep, if I wasn't working, it was honestly the, the best thing for me.

• 19:08Jay Shetty?

  What did you learn by being a trash man at that age?

• 19:10Speaker 01

  I was like, man, people in Laguna Beach have a lot of money. I'd never really been there. I was like, these are the best houses ever. I think the first day on the job, I was literally like what they call a downtown rat. Like I'm litter picking downtown, like people's cigarettes, just whatever's on the ground. And then cleaning trash can lids. And my first day, there was a hundred dollar bill on the top of a trash can. Probably someone with too much money was emptying their pockets. So there was like gems like that, you know? I was literally with my best friends that all lived where I grew up in Fontana that had transpired to Laguna. So it was pretty awesome. And then just learned, you know, no crash, better crash course of being in a band than

• 19:54Speaker 01

  eat, sleep and breathing, being in a band, whether it's like paying for our demo to go make a demo, going and printing up flyers for our next show, flyering. It was like everything you do and you wanna be a band. Plus just your normal job. It was, it was awesome.

• 20:10Jay Shetty?

  Well, hearing about you talk about it at that time and when you're seeing in the dark, it's like, from the outside, you're like, wow, that's stressful, but it's incredible hearing about it from your perspective where you're like, I'm getting to do what I love. That's the most important thing.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  I think all of us, where we grew up, it had its fair share of everything, you know? But.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  You never heard of anyone really making it out of there. There wasn't, it wasn't until we were in Laguna that, that we saw some like hope. Or me at least, cause I didn't even dare dream like, I wanna be a successful drummer. I used to say it in, in everything actually when I was like, from the time I was in grade school till high school, they'd be like, what do you wanna do? What, uh, what college do you wanna go to? What do you wanna be when you get older? And I would put drummer. And my counselors would just laugh at me and be like, what are you talking about? Drummer? No, like, what do you, what college do you wanna go to? And I would say like, my, my dad doesn't have money for college. I don't have any money for college. I'm just gonna focus on music. I'm gonna play music at whatever level that is.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Just to be able to like do it sorta was, I just couldn't believe it. I, I had already somewhat made it, cause I moved out of the house and I was playing music. And just living outside of my dad's house and I felt like he was proud, you know?

• 21:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it wasn't about the fame and success. It was just about the love of the art.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it never was for me. It like, what I wanted was attainable. I wanted to play music, play drums. And have enough money to eat, uh, somewhere to sleep and survive.

• 21:46Jay Shetty?

  I think it's interesting, isn't it? Like I think about that today. I feel like there's such a pressure on young people to make it. And do something with their life, but often I think about in my own world as well. I feel like for me, I was just happy getting to do what I love.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:01Jay Shetty?

  And that was it. That was enough. Like it didn't, I'm grateful that it's gone beyond that.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:06Jay Shetty?

  But that was the win. The win was if I can do what I love every day, then that's good enough for me.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think as long as it starts with that, like do something you love. I like that. AM used to always say, he's like, find something you love and find a way to get paid for it. That's the goal, you know? And it doesn't even feel like you're working.

• 22:23Jay Shetty?

  How did Blink one eight two come into your life?

• 22:25Speaker 01

  People was playing with a lot of other bands and there was this punk band named B H R. And the bass player of that band had said, hey, I have this other band. You, you should come play with us. It was the Aquabats. I was like, sure, like just give me the, give me the record, whatever. I'll learn it. So gave me the record. The next week I played with them. I became their drummer. They were, they were kinda like really popular. They were getting really popular. It was like ska, new wave, punk. It was really cool. It was a cool band. I was touring with that band with Blink one eighty two. Opening for them on a tour called Snowcore Tour. It was like, it was Aquabats, Blink, The Alcoholics.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  That rap group and Primus. Oh, and Long Beach the All-Stars, right after Bradley had passed. We started doing some solo shows with Blink. Their drummer took off right before a show one day. It was like forty five minutes before their show. And they were about to lose money, cause they weren't gonna play the rest of the shows on the tour. They came to me and I would hang out with them a lot, cause we were just, we had a lot in common, like skateboarding and listening to same music. He said, man, is there any way you could learn like twenty songs so we could play this show tonight? And maybe the next few shows, if it goes well. I learned all the songs.

• 23:45Jay Shetty?

  Is it right that you learned all of Blink one eight two's songs for tour in an hour backstage?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:50Jay Shetty?

  That's crazy.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was crazy. I just sat with them and played in a room. Like I didn't have drums or anything, but just, we just jammed, kinda like air drummed. And I listened and watched everything.

• 24:01Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then played our first show. It was incredible. It was incredible.

• 24:06Jay Shetty?

  Did you make any mistakes?

• 24:07Speaker 01

  I was so dialed in and I was, I was so in a zone to like pull this off. Also like, I feel like the way I grew up. And the discipline I had even on myself, even after my mom passed away, was to like not get ready, but to stay ready. And be ready for like situations like that.

• 24:25Jay Shetty?

  Did you feel scared at all or?

• 24:26Speaker 01

  Of course. I mean, I, before every show, like to this day, if I go play a show, there's like a good kinda scared. Like a good nervous energy, like you wanna kill it.

• 24:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you can.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the next three shows were amazing. And then they had come to me and said, we love playing with you. Like, would you, would you consider being on our band? It was kinda like a girl approaching you, but she's still in a relationship sorta. And I was like, well, if something happens to your drummer, like hit me up. I'd love to, you know, I love playing with you guys. And then maybe a week or two later, it was my first show and yeah, the rest is history.

• 25:02Jay Shetty?

  I love what you said about staying ready and being ready for an opportunity like that. Because all of us may get an opportunity like that sometimes in our life. And if we're not ready, you miss the audition. You don't show up to set. You don't turn up to the interview. You say no to the introduction. And then your whole life takes a different trajectory, just because you weren't ready and you didn't stay ready.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  I'm still like that. I'm still, I'll be practicing sometimes and my kids are like, why are you practicing? I'm like, I practice every day. Like if there's, you know?

• 25:36Jay Shetty?

  Even now.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Unless time doesn't permit and I'm just really, really, you know, I have so much going on with the kids, but I'd love to have an hour or two. But if I don't get it, like last night, I, I didn't have much time. I was with the kids. I was, you know, went to go see my dad and went to my nephew's birthday. And then it was like, I still got fifteen minutes in right before I went to bed. My wife's like, are you on the treadmill practicing? And I'm like, yes, I'll be right in. But yeah, just, it feels good. And for me, like the days I don't practice, something fills off.

• 26:05Jay Shetty?

  What does practicing look like now? Like what are you practicing?

• 26:07Speaker 01

  It's all sorts of different things. Like, uh, I'm actually getting ready to play, uh, the fiftieth anniversary for the Ramones.

• 26:14Jay Shetty?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  It's like me, Tim Armstrong from Rancid, Billy Joe from Green Day. It's gonna be awesome. So, um, I'm, I'm about to start practicing that. But then while I'm working on albums, I just, it's like keeping your chops up. It's almost like running three to five miles every day. Cause you know a marathon's coming up.

• 26:33Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Keep, you know, kind of a small workload always.

• 26:37Jay Shetty?

  What was that like, those first few shows, the first couple of years for Blink one eight two? I mean, that must've been a dream come true.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  I played those three shows and I came home and I remember I went to go see my pops. And my pops is, he's the best. He's always been really hard on me, but it also one thousand percent made me the man I am today. You know, my dad was in Vietnam. He wrote a Harley Davidson all his life, you know? He's just, uh, he's a man's man, you know? I remember I got home and I said, pal, I just made like thirty five hundred bucks, played three shows. He's like, you better keep it, cause you probably won't make it again. But that was like his attitude, you know?

• 27:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  I think also where I came from, our family didn't have money. So I think my work ethic also is always like, keep pushing. Cause I never wanna go back to have nothing, you know? I never wanna be there again. And I'm, and I pride myself in being able to like buy my dad a house, buy my sisters, buy my family's houses. Make sure they're all taken care of. So it was unreal, those, those shows. Like I, it, it seemed like a dream. You know, like I was just waiting for someone to smack me and wake me up, cause it was like too good to be true.

• 27:49Jay Shetty?

  When did it start to take a toll on you mentally? Like when, when did it start to feel different?

• 27:54Speaker 01

  There never came a time where, where I didn't love playing in the band. I lo, I love Mark and Tom. Even before I was in the band, I loved hanging out with Mark and Tom. Even though I was in the Aquabats, I would hang out with them too. We had a lot in common. All of the Aquabats were surfers, skateboarders, musicians. I think with Mark and Tom, it was the same way, even though we weren't in a band, I was hanging with them a lot. So I, I loved playing in a band with them. I don't think it was until, you know, when I got in the band, we're traveling around in a van. We're sleeping on people's floors. And you know, the band's popular, but we're not, we're not flying every day or do, you know? It was a, a young punk band. Also, there's no punk bands that really were successful.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  I think Green Day was successful like right before us. And that was, that once again was seemed unattainable. That's not even, it, it's so out of reach. We didn't even think we could be anywhere close to that. And then recorded Ina Mother State, things took off. We're flying from like radio show to the next radio show, to the next radio show, sometimes two flights in a day. I was still okay. I didn't like flying. I, I never loved flying. I saw my mom at a young age, like when I flew to Chicago. I'd only been on a plane one time and I saw my mom really reacting to the flight and being really upset because of the turbulence. And I could tell she was afraid. So I didn't love flying. I, I really didn't look forward to it.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Then after I had Landon and I had met Landon's mom and Atiana. Things started like kind of wearing on me a little bit, like I have to go on tour right now, or I have to go to play this show and I'm gonna be on a plane. And I could die and I could not come back to Landon and Atiana. And you know, that really started wearing on me. Then mixed with a couple of bad flights that made flying worse, that's where things kinda took a fall for me. But it still didn't affect how much I loved playing in the band. But I found, I found myself like self-medicating in order to leave my children and, you know, just fly.

• 30:06Jay Shetty?

  At what point were you introduced to drugs?

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Probably right around the time of take off your pants and jacket, like between Ina and take off your pants. And it, it just started with like a Norco or a, a painkiller, just to like mellow me out. But it would get tricky, cause I couldn't really take them before shows. It was like the opposite of my playing style, like crazy, give it all, like, so I, I'd have to be really selective when, when I could do it. And then it got worse and worse after.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Alabama was born and it would be long periods of time being in Europe or Australia or Japan for two months. That's when I kind of just had to medicate to stay, to even keep myself on tour and forget that I was away from the kids or whatever else, you know?

• 30:53Jay Shetty?

  I had this reflection a few years ago and it's nothing compared to what musicians do. I went on my first world tour and it was 40 cities. So it was like 40 cities across, I think it was like across three months. I was in a different city every other day and we went everywhere from Australia to Europe to Dubai to India to all across North America. But I know music tours are like crazy long. And I was older when I was doing it, like I went three years ago, I was 35 years old. And I'm like, God, if I was doing this any younger, I totally see how this messes up everyone and leads them towards some sort of coping mechanism. Because I was like, this is hard and this is tough, like being on the road for this long. You couldn't really tell because I think when you see your favorite artist on stage,

• 31:36Jay Shetty?

  obviously it looks like they're having the best time of their life and everything's amazing.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:40Jay Shetty?

  And not realizing that the travel, the staying in a hotel, the loneliness, the everything else that comes with it.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just said it like, and I never thought about it, but hotels by yourself for being on tour long periods of time are lonely.

• 31:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  And then you pinch yourself because you're like, dude, this was like, you didn't even dare to dream this, you know? So you'd, I'd also struggle with that, like, I have it made, what am I, you know, like, what is it? And then the struggle between Travis that's in the band, that's traveling all over the world, that's like this rock star, whatever, whatever anyone thinks of me. And then there's like, Travis is actually like, Atyana Landon in Alabama's dad. That was just hard. A little bit of identity crisis, I think, you know? Cause I loved both, but I found myself being gone all the time since I was like 21. So yeah, touring, touring started to take its toll.

• 32:40Jay Shetty?

  Even today, when the first thing you came in and you were like talking about the kids and you see you come to life and the joy you feel of being a dad.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I love it.

• 32:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it just came, it was very natural.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  I'll always be like, I'm really, really tired, but it's so worth it. You know what I mean? I love it all. I mean, I love, I love making music, I love playing drums, I love my children. I couldn't, like, there's nothing more rewarding than being a parent, you know?

• 33:04Jay Shetty?

  I like what you're saying about the identity piece because it sounds like there's almost this friction between, well, I should be grateful because I'm living the dream.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:13Jay Shetty?

  Like, I should just be happy about this. But at the same time, it's like, no, I'm on the road and I'm away. And now I'm having to medicate in order to just numb myself.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I've seen people who can be on tour, they can't wait to go on tour to get away from their families and get away from home life. That's not me. Like, I'm like, oh, I love home life, I love my kids, any chance I get, I'll bring them all on tour. Like, I'll literally have my whole family on tour. It's the best. But as I got older and once I got sober, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna run three to five miles every morning, I'm gonna go get something to send back home to the family, I'm gonna practice, I'm gonna constantly like get better at my skill.

• 33:59Jay Shetty?

  What was it like afterwards? Like, I think there was a moment, we'd hear about this in the documentary, like, from the outside, it looked like everything was made for Blink 182, but on the inside, there were different things going on.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  At the time, I can't pick out one thing, I can't be like, it was this one thing that the band broke up over. I think everyone was in a relationship and had their own families, they had their own priorities, their own goals. I mean, we all had priorities, like my, my children were always my priority, even when I was smoking weed and doing drugs, I was only really doing that stuff because I was away from them. The minute I got home, I'm like, super dad, you know? I know Tom says in the documentary, he was like, my wife wanted me to be home and I needed to take my daughter to school. Well, I had three kids at the time that I needed to take to school, you know? But it was just touring too much for the band.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  And I think Tom also had like this, we had done Boxcar Racer together, which was a side band that we did. But I think he also just thought maybe he could do it on his own without the band. Um, and he needed to go try and figure that out. And then the story of our band, which everyone knows and all the fans have lived through is, is our band breaks up and then I get into a plane crash where, you know, and then our band gets back together. Then we break up again and then Mark got sick and then our band gets back together again, you know? Um, that's why I wrote that song like One More Time.

• 35:28Jay Shetty?

  One More Time, yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  It's like, literally.

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• 38:30Jay Shetty?

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• 38:37Speaker 01

  Our band, you know, in a song.

• 38:39Jay Shetty?

  Before we get to the plane crash, which, I mean, yeah, I want to spend a bit of time with that. I feel like we see in the documentary that after the band breaks up, you like successfully pivot into working across different genres, you're working with other artists, other producers, like you're seeing you go on to, you know, be prolific musically. And then one of the people that you collaborate with is Adam Goldstein or DJ AM. Talk to me about how that collaboration and connection started and what was that relationship like?

• 39:12Speaker 01

  When my band had broken up and at the time I was out, just in LA doing whatever and I'd seen AM spin. And it was like at a nightclub and he literally played every genre. He would go from, he'd play like Dilla into Kelly Clarkson, into The Beatles, into Nirvana. And I'm like, what? He's like, you're not allowed to do that and you're not allowed to do that that good. And everyone's like jaw dropped, he's just so good. At the time I was playing with TI, I had just played with TI. TI just got out of prison and we opened the BET Awards. I was, I was playing with a lot of rappers right after my band broke up.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  And then AM and I were chopping it up and I was like, I feel like there's this, there's this DJ drummer thing that I envision. And I don't, it's never been done before, but I just see you throwing acapellas at me. And I'm playing drums, like remixing stuff live with live eight oh eights. I don't know. I just have a vision. We should, we should see, you know? So we came, got a rehearsal space. We jammed for like six hours, didn't say a word to each other, just spoke to our instruments. It was, it was the best. It was magical. For someone who grew up loving every genre of music, I would say I was happily confused. It was the best, the most fulfilling

• 40:39Speaker 01

  musical experiment ever. And then we started playing shows. Played the MTV Music Awards, like played Coachella. It was so fun.

• 40:51Jay Shetty?

  That sounds incredible. I mean, you can see you come to life when you talk about it too. It's like.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was magic.

• 40:55Jay Shetty?

  I imagine that's pretty rare in music where like you, you can collaborate with a lot of people, but then you meet someone and you're just on a different frequency.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  We were so similar from like being sneaker heads to collecting vintage T-shirts to both being girl crazy, everything at the time. We were, we shared like a brain.

• 41:16Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  It was, it was awesome.

• 41:18Jay Shetty?

  And what was your engagement with drugs like at that time, like with addiction, substance abuse?

• 41:23Speaker 01

  I would call it a, a really well functioning drug addict. Where I could smoke 10 to 20 blunts a day.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  Take a handful of pills a day and I'd still go running. I'd still do all my meetings. I'd still go to practice. I was just functioning. AM though, I think was already probably 10 years, 15 years sober.

• 41:45Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  He'd always be, hey, come to a meeting, you know? I went to a meeting, uh, watched him talk in a meeting one time. It was amazing. It was beautiful. I remember at the time I was, I was contemplating like leaving my relationship. I was in this place where I'm on tour. I'm, I'm medicating to be on tour, to leave my children. When I'd get home, my partner at the time wanted, let's go on party right when I'd get home. And it was the opposite of what I wanted to do. I was never out partying or going out to bars or clubs when I was on tour. I was just self-medicating to get through being gone. So when I came home from tour, I never wanted to go out. I never wanted to drink. I just wanted to lock in with the kids.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  And we were disagreeing a lot and Adam had said, cause I had said, man, I don't, I don't know. I don't, I think I might, I might be done. And he would challenge me, he would say, you gotta be sober for 48 hours before you make any like big decisions. You need to just completely be sober. And then we'd also see, uh, this, this one therapist that also helped with alcohol abuse and narcotics and stuff. So I would go see him. We'd actually go see him together. So he was just such a good influence on me. He was more than just someone I jammed with. He was like a dear friend.

• 43:06Jay Shetty?

  It's so beautiful to hear about that. And I, I imagine he, he feels, seems like a good influence too, like a, a positive.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Best. Yeah. That was the only way we were really different is because I, I wasn't sober.

• 43:17Jay Shetty?

  I wanted to take you back to September 2008, which you were referring to earlier. And at least in the doc, it feels like it's a typical night. You and Adam are playing a show in South Carolina, I think it was. And then you left with the airport to go home. I want you to take me back to that moment in the documentary where like you're pulling up to this plane, which is normal for you, but you kind of sense in that moment that something doesn't feel quite right.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:43Jay Shetty?

  Like, can you take me back to that moment?

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, that show to begin with was like, it was a show that I had like right before, like that, that weekend, I think it was on a weekend. It was like on a Saturday or Sunday, but when Thursday came around, I'd said to my manager, is it too late to just pull out? Like, I don't really need to do this, you know? It was, it was summer, I think. And I, I was just so content with being home with the kiddos.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  And he's like, bro, you can't, you can't cancel this late, you know? So I ended up flying out there. I had a pretty good flight out there, honestly. I went with me and little Chris and Che. And, um, it wasn't bad, but it was a planned flight. It was a, a nicer private plane. I never loved flying on private planes. But I think they had, it was in our deal, you know? So I was like, okay, fly out there. And when I leave and I say bye to Bama, she also calls it and she's young at the time. She's three or four years old. She's like, dad, don't go. And she's bawling and she doesn't usually do that. She's like, the roof's gonna come off.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  The, the roof's gonna come off. And I'm like, what is she talking about? Like to the point where I like went back in the house and I was like, what's going on, baby? Like, you know? I get there, play our show and then we're, we're supposed to leave the next morning. But everyone else that was with me kind of was like, was in a hurry to get home. So we booked a private plane, super last minute. There, there's usually a bunch of hoops to jump through to book me a plane. Because even back then, without an accent, I was like, who's the pilots? Is the, has the plane been maintenance? Um, what's the, you know, I want to know everything. And none of that stuff happened.

• 45:32Jay Shetty?

  Oh, it wasn't checked that day?

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Mm-mm. No, I mean, the, to, to the best of, of their ability. But it was so last minute and I, and no one's thinking, you know? Cause at this time, everyone's like, Trav, realistically, you're never going to get in a plane crash. Stop, you know? Every flight I'd be on, like Mark and Tom even would be, you know, before that, they'd be like, dude, why are you white knuckling? Like I would, I would have a rosary that I would hold on to. That was my mom's rosary. And I was like, it, it took everything in me to fly. Where like, when we land, I'd be like, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna, I felt like just so grateful to be, you know, back on land. There was no protocol. I don't believe. We just booked something. I think we get to the airport around 11 or midnight.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  It's foggy. We show up to the airport. We pass by all the, all the planes that are near the runway at this private airport. And then there's one plane in the distance that's really small. And we pull up to that plane and I'm like, this, this can't be our plane. There's no way. And then they're like, yep, this is the plane. To the point where I call my dad and show him the plane and my pal, I have an awful feeling like this. I just, I don't know. This plane's small, pal. I feel weird. And I remember I was like upset where my dad was like, come on, like you're, you're gonna be okay. Got on the plane. It was one of those planes that's so small that the, the two pilots, like one of the pilots is basically your flight attendant.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Closes the door and then goes in the, in the cockpit, you know? And then, yeah, the rest is history. But I knew, I knew before, like to the point where I was like, something feels off. I even told my dad, if something happens to me, please make sure the kids are taken care of. Please make sure, like I was saying way too much, like.

• 47:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, wow.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  All the signs were there for like, now older me would just say, I think I'm not gonna get on the plane.

• 47:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, trust your body.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but everything was there, everything.

• 47:34Jay Shetty?

  And you've always had this fear anyway, because you don't want to be away from the kids. You were worried that what would happen to the kids if something ever happened to you. And then, but in this moment specifically, you're feeling like this extra weight and heaviness.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I even call it out and talk about it.

• 47:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  You know, my dad and saying like, you're gonna be fine. Like, you're gonna be good, boy. Like, get on the plane. You know, and I'm like bawling, which is so out of character for me. I'm like, I don't know, pal. Like, I just feel, I don't know. And I'd never felt like that before.

• 48:03Jay Shetty?

  Your documentary shows the 911 footage from the night of the crash.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:07Jay Shetty?

  And we can hear you as well. You've jumped off the plane with almost your entire body on fire. I can't even imagine being like conscious in that when the plane's exploding behind you. Like, just walk me through what you can even remember of that horrific moment.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  I had self-medicated like I always do right before the flight. I was kind of just waiting for takeoff. There's no communication. So no one's gonna be like, okay, we're getting ready to take off. Cause they're all in the front. Chris is sleeping, Chase sleeping, I think Adam's sleeping. I'm wide awake.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  And then we take off. There's like just a huge loud noise that sounded like gunshots.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  And the plane spirals out of control. We, we take off, but there's like smoke filling our, our cabin. We're going up, we're going down and we're like hitting, hitting the runway. And then going back up, hitting the runway. And there's full fire in the, in the cabin by, by then. I was just waiting for lights out. I was like, okay, um, this is really happening. I just couldn't believe it. My biggest fear is, is like happening. Um, which still I feel, it feels like a movie to me. It doesn't even feel real. And I'm just holding on, embracing myself. I have my seatbelt on, obviously.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  But this time I can't even see in front of me. We, we keep going up in the air and then we finally go down one last time and we hit an embankment. And I'm still awake and I'm alive. And there's fire all around me. So my instinct is to get out of the plane. I try going forward to try to get to AM and Che and my hands catch fire in my arms. I'm panicking because I'm on fire. I go to my left. I shake AM. AM wakes up. And there's no fire near AM. I open the emergency exit. I jump right into the jet. That's where all the fuel is. My whole body catches fire.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Uh, and then I run. I'm like, I'm like running against the highway. And I just strip. I just tried taking my clothes off. And after I don't know how many feet of running, a long time, I just hear someone go, stop, drop and roll. Which I never thought about once. And I stopped, drop and roll. AM comes, cause my socks are just soaked in jet fuel and he's like patting out my, my feet. And, um, a few, I don't know, a few minutes later, uh, the plane blows up. And then that's probably right around the time the police footage, like their dash cam footage is.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  And then it's, you know, being taken to a burn center in six months in a burn center. It's crazy.

• 51:00Jay Shetty?

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• 51:48Speaker 01

  I'm in Augusta first. And I remember little things in Augusta. I remember Mark and his wife coming to visit me. I remember my dad being there. I remember kids setting up drum kits outside the hospital. And like, I could hear drumming, which was pretty cool. And I was so out of it, but it's amazing. I can still remember that. They basically had suggested I get to Grossman Burn Center in L.A. because that was the best burn center. And I had about 70% of my body burnt.

• 52:20Jay Shetty?

  Seventy percent?

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I got on a bus and I traveled via bus with the doctor and the nurse. Because I couldn't fly. Got to Grossman Burn Center.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  I remember they couldn't get my, my, my pain medication right because I was self-medicating for so long that their pain medication would do nothing for me. So

• 52:45Jay Shetty?

  So you'd still be in pain?

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I was an awful patient. I felt really bad. I was, I was not a great patient um in the beginning because I would wake up during surgeries and I wouldn't know what's happening. I thought, I don't know what you think. You think someone's attacking you. You're just in pain. There's all these people around you. So I think I swung on Dr. Grossman, who saved my life, you know? So I was like, I was just so out of it. And he, he later told me, he's like, it's because you had been self-medicating for so long. I couldn't get your, your pain meds, right? I was there for a long time. I think I had 30 something surgeries while I was there. Um, I didn't really understand the severity of everything. I didn't know everything that had happened. They had to tell me that Chris and Jay passed away in the plane crash. I thought

• 53:28Speaker 01

  I would ask where they are in the hospital and if I could go see him. I wasn't in a good place and I was so medicated. I didn't really know what was going on. So like, yeah, it was hard being in there and um missing their funerals.

• 53:44Jay Shetty?

  Because you were in hospital?

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm in, I'm in the hospital and then

• 53:49Speaker 01

  then they're like, you know, we might have to, we might have to amputate your foot. So you have all these thoughts. When, when you're able to process your thoughts in there, when I had those moments, I would just be like, what the, you know, like, how, how did this happen? You're just in disbelief, you know? And like, when I think about it, I wasn't just a patient. That was like 70% burn. I was like dealing with loss, you know, to my best friends. I was also like the trauma of being in a plane crash was like, I was talking to a post-traumatic doctor all the time. The thing that would have been

• 54:27Speaker 01

  probably the most healing would have been to see my kids. But I couldn't see him because I was like, basically a huge open wound, you know? So it was, it was difficult.

• 54:39Jay Shetty?

  How long before you saw your kids that time? Do you remember?

• 54:42Speaker 01

  I think about three, three months in, I was able to, they were able to come outside on a balcony and I was able to see him for a little bit, but that was the hardest thing. I felt like as soon as I got out of the burn center, when I was with them, that was like, that was my strength.

• 55:00Jay Shetty?

  How was it?

• 55:02Jay Shetty?

  Having been so close to death, like, how did that change how you feel about living?

• 55:09Speaker 01

  I was struggling with survivor's guilt. That was hard to, to comprehend, like how, how I was supposed to be. It wasn't actually until recently where I could finally be like, okay, live in their honor and do what would make them proud.

• 55:25Jay Shetty?

  What changed recently for you to realize that?

• 55:28Speaker 01

  I got to a place where, you know, I didn't fly for 20 years and something hit me one day. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm living the whole rest of my life since the plane crash.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Like not flying. And I'm like, this thing has like so much power over me. If there's like one thing I gotta figure out, I gotta figure that out. I don't even know what to compare it to, but I would wake up and I would think about it.

• 55:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Whether it would be the band saying, hey, you have like this offer to go play here or I mean, that's what, that's what it usually was in the beginning. But I would really, I'd be like, I don't care about any shows. I don't care about whatever. My kids didn't fly. We were, we were like, we were on buses 24/7 or on boats. I would take the Queen Mary two from New York to London. So I was fine with it, but then there was this piece of me that burning inside that was just wanted to fight. And I was like so pissed off and I was like, I can't, I can't die like this, you know? And around the time, not to skip around, but like Courtney and I had like really connected my wife.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  And she was like, oh, there's so many places I want to go with you and take you. And I'm like, I don't fly. You know, in my head, I'm thinking, she was so cool. She was like, no, they're all places like, we can go on your tour bus too, or we can drive too. So we were doing that. And then I had a massage therapist that I was working with all the time. She's like, you know, like, I can always like give you like treatments, but like you have a lot of trauma. I can tell by massaging you. You should try doing breath work because you might release all this trauma. And she's like, all the trauma and stuff that you're holding on to can also like cause cancer over time. And she just, I don't know, for whatever reason, whatever she said to me, it really stuck.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  So between like breath work, the want and desire for

• 57:25Speaker 01

  my kids to fly and for me to fly again, I just said it one day. I said to my wife, I said, if you ever have

• 57:33Speaker 01

  like an idea of somewhere you want to fly that we can't like drive to or take a boat, just book it. Don't tell me about it. And I'll do it. But I don't want to know too much because I don't want to talk myself out of it. So that, that's just what we did. I just said it one day.

• 57:48Jay Shetty?

  And with the healing, I mean, I feel like being like you said, an open wound. I mean, and having 70% of your body burned, that sounds like one of the most painful six-month healing processes.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  It was the worst. Being on fire or the process of skin grafts. I think we share a little bit of photos in my documentary, but we couldn't include most of it because it's too graphic. It's awful and it's an awful process to go through all the surgeries and everything. I'm grateful that I, I got through it all and Dr. Grossman like saved my life. Um, they say when I got in there, it was life threatening. Yeah, grateful. And most of the people I was in the burn center with were kids, which really bummed me out. Just cooking accidents and stuff like that. I just saw, I saw the worst stuff. That building I was in is off Van Nuys in Los Angeles in the valley.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  And there's, it's no longer a hospital, but I can drive by there and look at that building and I just, I can just be there, you know?

• 58:49Jay Shetty?

  There's a quote of yours in the documentary where you say, I was suicidal when I was in the hospital. I'll transfer any amount of money, just kill me. Talk to me about the darkest day you had as you were recovering and how did you even begin to pull through that?

• 59:07Speaker 01

  That was about the time where I found out Jay and Chris weren't in another room at the hospital. I had lost it. And then the doctors not really being able to give me a time when I'd get out, couldn't see my kids, amputate my foot. There was like, there was no light at the end of the tunnel. I was just looking for something, you know? And at the time, I knew, I knew Skinhead Rob, who was in the transplants with me or one of my buddies, you know, I was like, just please, uh, like I can't do this. I feel like literally living in hell, you know? Obviously now, when I think back, it's the last thing I'd want to do is be away from my children or go out like that, but it was just desperation. It was, like I said, no light at the end of the tunnel.

• 59:52Jay Shetty?

  Were you and Adam supporting each other because you'd both survived? Was there a?

• 59:56Speaker 01

  I think he had about 6% of his body burnt and he was only burnt because he was nice enough to try to pat me out. And he, he ended up like getting burnt by his neck or something. He was in and out of the burn center in a week and he was flying again, which I just, I, I couldn't even believe that. I was like, he's doing what? It also gave me hope and I was, I was proud of him, but I, I couldn't even process that he was flying. When we got out, him and I would spend a lot of time just talking about what each of us remembered from the accident. He'd also looked into this treatment where we could retrain our brains, where we'd hopefully like forget what happened.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  I think he actually did a treatment and uh, I, I had said, there's no way I'm ever going to look down at like my hands, my legs or forget what happened because I lost and my two best friends. There's, there's not a scenario where I'll forget how, how they left me, you know?

• 1:00:57Jay Shetty?

  I'm sorry for your loss again, man. It's um, it's unfathomable.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:01:04Jay Shetty?

  No one can imagine and really empathize with what that feels like to lose your two best friends in that way.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like probably the

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  10th interview I've done on it. And it's like, it gets better every time, but it's like, I don't know. I don't think it'll be something I can ever.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Just talk about and, you know, not be affected by it or something, you know? It's not like it gets easier every time, but I don't think it'll be ever something I can just breeze through, you know?

• 1:01:39Jay Shetty?

  Does it help talking about it?

• 1:01:42Jay Shetty?

  And remembering it or remembering them?

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I feel like it gets easier every time, but it's still, you know, it's still like a, a wound you open back up.

• 1:01:53Jay Shetty?

  I think the hardest part about it all, and I mean, this is, you know, when you're watching the documentary, it's like, and then you find out that Adam passes away too. It's that moment where you're like, what? Like, how can you possibly live through each and every one of these moments? And of course, those individuals and the people that loved them and the people they loved going through that as well. I'm just, that, that part in the documentary for me is like, you know, the worst.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's still the worst for me too, you know? In the documentary, it starts with my mom, which is still hard, the accident, Chris and Che, obviously the two pilots too, and then Adam, the one person who is like this main character in my life, who's always such an inspiration and so positive and um, just being a great example, you know, being a great friend and um,

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  also being sober and trying to get me sober, you know, the whole time we're friends and stuff, it's just, yeah, it's like the, the worst ending to that movie, you know?

• 1:03:00Jay Shetty?

  Especially is because we, we learn in the documentary that he was prescribed to get back on Xanax, right?

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Hmm, to fly again.

• 1:03:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  It's like what I talked about when I'm in the hospital and he's flying, but I don't know, he's, he's been prescribed Xanax and I don't think anyone around him knows.

• 1:03:18Jay Shetty?

  You mentioned survivor's guilt. I was like, how do you even begin to process that at the time? Because you're going through physical pain, there's emotional trauma, there's an intuitive sense that you knew you shouldn't have got on the plane. I mean, and then you've got the loss of friends and a loss of, as you said, the main character friend in your life, like it's, it's almost like, how does one person even carry all of this?

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  Oh, when I think about it, I feel like I was just bleeding out at that point. I was like, I was done, you know? It was like, I couldn't even get one thing to try to get over before there was, you know, there was like, there was so much happening all at once. There was my accident, there was like the loss of my friends and everyone in that plane. And then Adam and then thinking about like little Chris's family that he left behind. There was, there was so much thinking of everyone's family, everyone left behind, you know? Being a great godfather to, to little Chris's son, who's my godson and um, having a great

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  relationship with Chris's mom, Linda and Che's mom Thelma and keeping AM's legacy alive, that's like the best I can do. You know, or it feels like I'm working with them, like honoring them.

• 1:04:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for sure. I'm, I'm happy that you've been able to reframe that to being honoring them because it's evident how important they are to you and how much of an influence they've had on you and how you carry them in such high esteem. And that's what comes across in the documentary even today as I'm sitting with you, I'm like, yeah, these are people that you deeply, deeply love.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  They also like give me strength and I feel like breathwork definitely helped me. The, the power of love with my wife and my children helped me, but I, I also feel like they helped me and they're with me and that's, that's why I fly again or, you know, I say the same thing about my mom. I'm like, there's no way I got in one of the most successful bands and I got so blessed to be able to tour the world for like the last however many years. Like I feel like when people pass away, they are with you.

• 1:05:34Jay Shetty?

  How do you experience that today? How do you, how do you feel their presence today in that way?

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  I don't know. I've always felt like that.

• 1:05:40Jay Shetty?

  Do you talk to them or no, that's not?

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I always, I always like, before I go on show, on stage or play shows, I always, I have a prayer list that's, that's so long, you know? But um, when people pass, I feel like they're with me. I don't feel like I ever forget about them or I don't feel like they weren't, they're not here anymore because they usually had such a big effect on my, on my life, you know, left such an impression on me that I keep that with me.

• 1:06:07Jay Shetty?

  That fully resonates and I think you're definitely honoring them by sharing their influence on your life right now.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially with the flying. I was like, if their roles were reversed and it was me, the last thing I'd wanna do is see like AM not fly again. I'd be like, get your ass on that plane, you know what I mean? Like, you can't, you can't let that determine the rest of your life.

• 1:06:33Jay Shetty?

  What about your life today would surprise Travis from 20 years ago the most?

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  I've learned to not think I have life all figured out or what can happen or what's possible or not possible. I never thought I would be a new father, you know, so an amazing little human that I, that I am now.

• 1:06:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, congrats.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  I never thought I would be married again or I would have fallen in love again. It's the most, you know, beautiful thing ever, or I would have children in their twenties, you know? Or how things would be, I would say, my children in their twenties, there's not an age where it gets old or you don't feel like the same love you have for being their father. It's just sort of never ending, it's awesome.

• 1:07:20Jay Shetty?

  I mean, you and Courtney had known each other for years before you ever started dating. What made you know that the timing was right to shift into that phase of your relationship?

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Just like life happened and I can't explain it. It was, we've lived down the street from each other for years and my life before her was 20 hour studio days, spend as much time as I can with the kids, get back to the studio. There was no relationship in my life, there was no love in my life. I still felt fulfilled, I felt complete because I got so much love from my children. Man, I love music, I love music. Music is, I couldn't survive without music. I feel like it's when you're in that kind of flow with life that something like that could happen to you. I would just work out with Court, I would see her more and more, almost to the point where you feel so comfortable.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  It was like, I definitely had stages where I had a crush on her or I like thought about her, but then we were seeing each other so often, I was like, oh, I'm also cool with like having this really good female friend in my life, that's my workout, you know, friend and we work out all the time and we do Halloween together, Christmas, it was, I don't know, there was also nothing broken about what was going on right there. It was, it was already a special relationship and then I think I was always reluctant to take it to another place because I didn't wanna harm such a beautiful friendship I had with her. So she did it. She just said something, she just said something one day and uh, led to us like hanging out,

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  you know, and fell in love so quick. We were pregnant within months, you know, with our, our first baby that we had a miscarriage with, but I always knew and all my friends knew too. My friends used to be like, you and Court, when that happens? And her and her friends used to always say that to her too, but it was undeniable.

• 1:09:18Jay Shetty?

  I mean, I've had a lot of friends in the last 12 months go through miscarriages. I mean, that must've been exceptionally difficult as well to go through.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd never been through one and we weren't like actively trying to have a baby, but when you know you have one and you're starting the process of going to the doctors and you're looking at ultrasounds, it's, I mean, anyone who's a, a, a mother or father, you know how precious that is in that whole time? I mean, having a child is a miracle. Makes you, if you don't believe in God, you better start after you have a child because it's, it's a miracle, you know? That was a hard thing to go through, especially six months into our relationship, but it just made us stronger and kinda really let us know that we wanted a child together.

• 1:10:04Jay Shetty?

  Take me to that moment that you and Courtney welcomed Rocky into the world.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  You know, I had to come home from Europe.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  About eight months into her pregnancy because they said he couldn't breathe and one of his lungs wasn't working. So I literally had flown to Europe and I flew back an hour later. And they went and did this surgery where they they released all the fluid in his lung. And I was saying I had prepared for the worst. I honestly thought I was coming home from from tour to say goodbye. And this one was gonna be really hard because he was he was eight months, you know, I already knew what his name was. I was just preparing and I had the worst flight from Europe where we didn't have internet on the plane for some reason. They're like, our internet's not working. And I was like,

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  oh, you gotta be kidding me. You gotta be kidding me. And she was having surgery. I wasn't gonna make the surgery, but I was gonna be there right afterwards. And then he made it through the surgery. I think I was still broken from the miscarriage. Where I was afraid to get too attached to the idea that he was gonna make it. And then he fucking made it and it was the most beautiful thing ever. And I'm so, I'm so attached to him. He's, I don't know if it's because he's a Scorpio and he's born the same month as me, but he's is just, I mean, every one of my children is like a blessing from God, but it's to be fifty years old and have a two and a half year old

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  makes me feel like I'm like twenty all over again. And he inspires me to be better, just like all my children inspire me to be better. When Lana was born, I was started running to the freeway and back. Started boxing, like every child has made me better and there's just nothing like it.

• 1:11:54Jay Shetty?

  Comes naturally to you. It feels like being a dad.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  I love being a dad. My parents were so amazing, my mom and dad. I just, it's easy to me.

• 1:12:04Jay Shetty?

  What led to your decision to go sober as well?

• 1:12:08Jay Shetty?

  What did that journey look like for you?

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  When I was in a burn center and I suddenly wasn't self medicating anymore. And I'm on so much morphine and so much drugs, all I could think about is getting out of there and never taking anything again. So I went from self medicating to fly, taking a ton of opiates and smoking a bunch of weed in order to be gone and be on tour and fly and be away from my children to being in a plane crash and having the biggest wake up call of my life. Being in a burn center for six months, having thirty surgeries, being in the worst pain of my life,

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  not being aware of anything for six months because I was on so much meds that when I got out, I never wanted to do anything again. My plane crash was my rehab, my my time to get sober. It was everything to me.

• 1:13:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, something so life defining.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  I don't know where I'd be without my plane crash. I might even still be using drugs. Might still be self medicating to fly. I hate my plane crash, but it's also a part of me. Like, I can't imagine life without it.

• 1:13:22Jay Shetty?

  I think sometimes we have this weird view of turning hard moments into like, oh, that was, you know, and it's like, no, no, no, it's the worst. It was, you know, it's just a part of your life. It's not, doesn't need to be glorified. It's, it's, it's terrible and painful and horrific and people died.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't think of anything positive out of it, you know? I only can say is like, I now accept it, which took me a long time.

• 1:13:45Jay Shetty?

  What was your first plane ride like? That you took after that?

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  It was to Mexico City with Court and her mom and her mom's boyfriend. And it was like the smoothest. You know, my documentary almost didn't come out. I almost didn't let it come out. It was, it was finished in two thousand seventeen.

• 1:14:08Jay Shetty?

  Oh, no way.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  The pitch to me for the ending was, can you just go walk on a plane? And at the time I couldn't, like the plane, the plane equals death to me. I couldn't even walk near a plane. It equals like what almost killed me, what killed two of my best friends and like also had, you know, affected like AM too. It's just, I had so many bad memories. My kids, I went to an aviation field trip with Alabama and I couldn't walk on the plane. My daughter couldn't even walk on the plane. So when they had pitched that to me, I'm like, that's not, I can't, I can't do that. They're like, well, you have no ending to your documentary. So I'll put my, put my documentary out when I'm dead. Like, I don't, that's not the ending.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  That's another thing that triggered me to be like, not flying has so much power over you. Like, it has power over your whole life, where you go, how you travel. So that was like really big. When I flew again and my kids flew again and it was like a major life change. It was like this valve got opened that that had been closed for so many years. All these misconceptions of what flying would be like. None of it existed. It was, it was fine. It was the smoothest flight. It was, there was no tragedy. There was no trauma. There was no, no one got hurt. It was like nothing that I had painted it out to be because of my last experience.

• 1:15:41Jay Shetty?

  How did you build the courage up to even walk in again? Was that the breath work there?

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Sober, yeah, sober. I didn't take anything to fly. I did breath work leading up to it. I did breath work about six or seven times leading up to it, which I would just bawl my eyes out for an hour, you know, each time, like I had no control over it. And I connected with little Chris in it. I connected with my mom. It was so therapeutic for me. And I just got to this place where I, I told myself, I just gotta have faith. It's just like this fear that I've made up. It doesn't exist.

• 1:16:16Jay Shetty?

  You talked about this earlier about the band and I had a lyric from One More Time that I love. So you say in one more time, do I have to die to hear you miss me? Do I have to die to hear you say goodbye? I don't want to act like this tomorrow. I don't want to wait to do this one more time. I feel like what you were saying of this back and forth and how that song is almost like the heartbeat of the band. I wanted to ask you, like, what does it mean to be able to go back and play with Mark and Tom and have that opportunity and to have had so many moments of

• 1:16:48Jay Shetty?

  splitting up and getting back together?

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Oh, it's beautiful. I mean, the band is like, it's so important to all three of us. And I think now that we're in this position where we've gotten, we've broken up and we've gotten back together so many times, like you figure out a lot about yourself and you figure out a lot about the other people you, you're either in a marriage with or in a band with. Band's a lot like a marriage. I feel like Blink's got into this really, really healthy spot where we understand one another and we'll never take the band for granted again.

• 1:17:22Jay Shetty?

  And of course, Mark's experience as well. It's like,

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Jay Shetty?

  It's like everyone's going through something in a marriage, in a band, in a team, whatever it may be. And it's almost like everyone's lesson is kind of saying the same thing, which is like, this is rare. When people watch this documentary, which I hope they do for so many reasons that I can think why it's an important watch, whether they're a Blink one eight two fan, whether they're a, you know, Travis Barker fan. And even beyond that, just, I think if you're someone who wants to see someone who's lived and experienced and been resilient through incredible difficulty, I think just from an understanding life point of view, the documentary is powerful. If there was one message that you'd want people to walk away from watching this documentary, what would you say is?

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  The kid who was like me, who didn't have anything that didn't think things were attainable or almost felt guilty for dreaming. There's parts of my documentary, me being a child and me having to stream to play music, that tells you it is possible. And it's okay to dream and you will succeed and you can't give up. You know, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. My parents weren't music executives. It was, it was just hard work. It was hard work and determination and being relentless. I think for anyone who's experienced tragic loss, I think it's beautiful story of not letting it

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  destroy you, but let it make you stronger. And just anyone who's afraid, anyone who's like living in fear, I feel like it's a good watch, you know, for anyone who wants to kick that fear, you know, and shows you how powerful you can be and you don't let these things determine you and you don't let them break you. All of it just is life lessons and it makes you stronger.

• 1:19:12Jay Shetty?

  I mean, that theme's really come across today of you talking about how much your fear owned you.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  It had owned me completely, had so much power over me. And I was so good just being like this. And I'm like, now I'm, I'm making records in the studio and my kids are whatever, we're taking boats and we're doing whatever. I, I was just like, but then there's this thing and I'm like, I'm gonna deal with you at some point. I feel like those hard things are like the life changing things. It's hard, but.

• 1:19:42Jay Shetty?

  And we all have a fear that's owning us, all of us, all of us have one. And so.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  But the hard stuff's the good stuff, you know? It'll be huge. It'll be, uh, you know, monumental if you, if you can face those fears and you, and you just. Yeah, like me personally, my, my entire life's changed, you know? In a way I never thought was possible.

• 1:20:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, we have to run towards what we're avoiding.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  I always say like, that's why I like running so much, like some people like kind of waking up, going through their day and just like let bad shit happen to them and they just take it to the chin, whatever. I'm like, I like running towards it. I like running towards anything I'm afraid of now. Or I like starting my day with five miles in the morning. I love running long distances. I love like, I love all the hard shit. I've already had enough hard stuff happen. I don't want to be surprised by anything.

• 1:20:33Jay Shetty?

  Travis, uh, it's been amazing talking to you today. I've got a couple more questions to end on. I wanted to ask you, what part of your life today would your mom most be proud of?

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  I think she'd be really, really proud of

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  me executing, you know, her dream for me and my dream for me, uh, with music and playing drums. I also think she would really be proud of what kind of father I am.

• 1:21:00Jay Shetty?

  That resonates very strongly. And I was, I wanted to ask you like the, um, over the last decade, you've become easily one of the most sought after collaborators, working with so many incredible artists. What have been some of your favorite ones that stand out to you in this incredible career and journey?

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  DJ Em goes down as like one of my favorite collaborators ever. And of course there's performances that are, I think were magical. I think the one that's in my documentary, it was like life. It was like one of those moments where I'm like, after this, I'm good. I don't, if whatever happens, happens. It was like me, Eminem, Drake and Wayne on the Grammys. It was like, are you kidding me? Even in the documentary, when I watch it, I have like, feel like I have superpowers. I'm like, does this not move you? You know what I mean? Like, I, I like having those feelings and I like being part of those feelings that I can watch. And, and it still gives me that, that feeling.

• 1:21:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Tell me something about that moment that we may not know or that, that we may not see.

• 1:22:01Speaker 01

  Grammys is always, comes together so fast. There wasn't a bunch of rehearsing or anything. We never rehearsed all together. I think at the time I was playing with Eminem here and there, played a couple of shows with him and I think I rehearsed with him. But that was the first time

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  me, Wayne, Drake and Eminem went on stage together.

• 1:22:19Jay Shetty?

  That's insane.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  It was just, everyone knew what their job was.

• 1:22:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's insane. That's amazing. Travis, we end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one sentence maximum.

• 1:22:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:22:32Jay Shetty?

  The final five today is brought to you by State Farm. Being financially savvy is a smart move. Another smart move, choosing State Farm to help you create a plan that fits you when you choose to bundle home and auto. Question number one, what's the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:22:48Speaker 01

  Find something you love and find a way to get paid for it.

• 1:22:51Jay Shetty?

  Great answer. Uh, question number two, what's the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  I think sometimes when people say, that's what God wanted.

• 1:22:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I guess that's not advice, but that one's always a hard one to, to, for me to accept.

• 1:23:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, good answer. Question number three, what makes a good dad?

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  Present dad.

• 1:23:09Jay Shetty?

  Presence is everything.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  Being present, um, not like buying them things, but being present, like putting the time in with your, with your son or your daughter.

• 1:23:17Jay Shetty?

  Question number four, what makes a good friend?

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Someone that is truly there for you all the time.

• 1:23:23Jay Shetty?

  And fifth and final question, we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  I have one that I live by that like, that I practice on a daily basis. And that's like, no matter where I am, I'm usually by myself. I always smile and say hello. Like, I think that's really important. I started doing it like years ago to where even sometimes I'd be with my wife. She's like, who's that? And I'm like, I don't know. Just waving though, you know, we're, we're here and like, you might've made that person's day. Or I know my daughter's been like, do you know that person? And I'm like, no, but like, there's something about saying hello and smiling to someone that's maybe having an awful day or it could change their perspective. I think that's awesome.

• 1:24:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:09Jay Shetty?

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• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:24:37Jay Shetty?

  I hope I get to have many more conversations like this with you. And honestly, like the way you showed up so vulnerably, thoughtfully, genuinely, the way you reflect on your own life is really left a mark on mine.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

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• 1:26:17Jay Shetty?

  So thank you so much.

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

• 1:26:20Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, thank you, Travis.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.