Bills New Coach, Championship Preview, Wedding Advice & The New Era of TEs with Greg Olsen | EP 176

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Reese’s Oreo Cups. Today, we are joined by one of the best to ever do it, Greg Olsen First, we share some of your best reactions to our new merch, Travis shares his thoughts on Eric Bieniemy’s alleged return to Kansas City, and Jason has a new social media platform to enjoy. Next, Greg Olsen joins us to recap the Divisional Round of the NFL playoffs! The guys get into everything from what the Bills and Josh Allen should do next, what went wrong with CJ Stroud in the Texans game, why the Broncos still have a shot even without Bo Nix, if anyone can figure out the Seattle defense, react to Joe Burrow breaking his twitter silence to silence the catch critics, and explain why the NFL is better when Chicago has a good team. We also get Greg’s best wedding advice, his thoughts on playing with Cam Newton, an official ranking of Girl Scout Cookies, how he survived the worst game he’s ever called, what tight ends are next up, his hysterical “Welcome to the NFL” moment at the hands of Michael Strahan, and more! ICYMI - check out our brand new merch at https://amzlink.to/az0JVda6JMjOr Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Send something to the New Heights Mailbox. Don’t be weird though. C/O New Heights Productions 135 E OLIVE AVE, BURBANK, CA 91502 Support the show: REESE’S: Grab REESE’S OREO® Cups today, found wherever candy is sold AMERICAN EXPRESS: The refreshed Platinum card is here. Learn more at https://americanexpress.com/withplatinum. Terms apply. ABODE ACROBAT STUDIO: Adobe Acrobat Studio transforms your documents into shareable, AI-powered PDF Spaces with access to easy content creation and trusted PDF tools that help you take any project from idea to done. Do that with Acrobat. EXPEDIA: The one place you go to go places. https://www.expedia.com/ RAISING CANE’S: Raising Cane’s Chicken Fingers. One Love. ALLSTATE: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:13Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our partner Royal Caribbean. Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped The Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 1:31Speaker 03

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 1:40Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 1:47Speaker 03

  And the entertainment? Latin music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 1:57Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  I love a water park.

• 2:00Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship, not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  They've also got Playmaker, sports bar, and arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 2:18Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 2:29Travis Kelce?

  Coming from the Natty last night?

• 2:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, I just, I just flew back to Charlotte, was at the game with my family. Appreciate you guys having me on. I feel like this has been a long time coming. This is a career highlight. Every time you guys release like your new episode and I see who you chose over me.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  It hurts the soul just a little bit.

• 2:46Travis Kelce?

  Dude, stop it. We've been trying to get you on for years. You've been ducking us.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  That's not true at all.

• 2:53Travis Kelce?

  I'm just so glad that we finally freed you up here for a little divisional football talk.

• 2:56Speaker 04

  It's the least I can do.

• 3:02Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a Wondery show. That's right. Brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups, a dog name it if they didn't put together two of my favorites. Reese's Cups and Oreo Cookies. Doggone, go get you some, man. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce, my big brother, Jason. Jason Kelce.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 3:24Travis Kelce?

  Over there with his cowboy hat, all you city slicker turned country boy. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus and or wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media for fun stuff throughout the week. Don't forget that kelseyclubhouse.com for anything new, heights and Kelsey. Jason, you want to tell everybody what we have coming up on this wonderful episode?

• 3:45Speaker 03

  Ninety-two percenters, we got a great episode for y'all around here. We got everything from the division around and we're going to get everything coming up in the championship round. And we got our mighty fine friend, Mr. Greg Olson, don't stop by the show. But before we get into any of that, we're getting a little bit of that new news. New news is brought to you by American Express. First bit of new news, we got some great reactions from the Kelsey Clubhouse. Thanks to you 92 percenters from Steph. Also, the Kelsey Clubhouse is a gag and I love the green hoodie, but I can't believe none of the new hoodies are called New Heights of Man hoodie. I don't know what the fuck that means, but she's disappointed. What does that mean? What's a man hoodie? Is that, is that a thing?

• 4:30Travis Kelce?

  New Heights of Man hoodie?

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Are you familiar with man hoodie?

• 4:32Speaker 04

  I'll just say it's a life of a showgirl reference, boys. Come on.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Man hoodie?

• 4:36Speaker 04

  To the lyric, New Heights of Manhood. It is the time we were referenced in the album.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  All right. New Heights of Manhood.

• 4:42Speaker 05

  You get it. So they made man hoodie. You get it.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  Got it. All right. Now I get it.

• 4:46Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  All right. Thanks, Brandon.

• 4:48Travis Kelce?

  I didn't understand that.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Right over our heads.

• 4:51Travis Kelce?

  Taylor's gonna kill me for not knowing that.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  We're not as good with the Easter eggs as these Swifties.

• 4:56Travis Kelce?

  They sure know how to plan them and call them out. All right. What else we got?

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:02Travis Kelce?

  From Catherine, the pathological people pleaser. Uh, Saber Babe 13. Ooh, sounds like she's from Buffalo. I love that it's on Amazon. What a huge win for me. Prime shipping, baby.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  It is nice. It is a very nice feature.

• 5:19Travis Kelce?

  I mean, it's honestly changed the world of ordering things. Amazon is like freaking insane.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  It's wild. It's annoying not shipping with them.

• 5:28Travis Kelce?

  They have literally everything on there. You search it in the little search bar and you got a plethora of items that you could choose from.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  That they do. All right. From Pop Takes. My New Heights show t-shirt arrived from the Kelsey Clubhouse and it's so nice. Great quality. Can't wait to wear it out of the house. I wonder which one they got. The Golden Baby quality is unreal. That's, I love that shirt.

• 5:47Travis Kelce?

  The New Heights, all right, that shirt that I was wearing last week, dude, I was wearing that all fucking day. Might have slept in it.

• 5:53Speaker 03

  No, no judgment, no judgment. All right. From Killer Scorpio. I need crew neck New Heights sweaters. Brandon. Brandon, this is somebody calling you out. Uh, who does, who do they have to beg? Well, ironically, it's probably not Brandon.

• 6:05Travis Kelce?

  We'll work on it. Well, I like a good, when it goes crew, I like a nice knit crew neck, you know, or a nice little fabric crew neck. So we might have to get that in there. We're working on these. And if you haven't, uh, please check out all the great new merch at kelseyclubhouse.com.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  And as of right now, this is officially unofficially new news, but it looks like Eric Bieniemy will be back with the Kansas City Chiefs. Trav, you and I have talked about this a lot. I know, uh, EB was a huge part of this offensive success for a while. In Kansas City, you offered a lot of not just great offensive schematic coaching and play calling, but I just, I mean, he's, he's gonna coach you hard. And sometimes that's exactly what you need. How do you feel about this?

• 6:46Travis Kelce?

  I love that shit. I think it's great. I think it's a marriage that's gonna. Pick up right where it left off. EB and who he is as a, as a coach, you can see kind of his personality, what he brings to his table in that Chicago team. I know Ben Johnson has his own version of that. He's a very tough guy and what he did in, in Detroit, he brought over as well. And you can see those running backs over in Chicago and their, their body of work was, was definitely a Eric Biennium, uh, style of football, man. And

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Hell yeah.

• 7:15Travis Kelce?

  I can't wait to see him back in the building, man. He's one of, he's one of my favorite coaches of all time. Uh, one of my favorite people of all time. I've had so many unbelievable, you know, growing moments, um, under him as a, as a player, as a person. Um, and, uh, I just love the guy and, and it's going to be awesome to see him back in the building, uh, and see him back, uh, wearing the, uh, the Chiefs logo, baby.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what he learned while with Ben Johnson. I mean, I think he's probably one of the most creative, uh, minds right now coaching the game on the offensive side of the ball. And to be in a building with that guy, I can't, I wouldn't, I'd be picking EB's brain. I'd be like, yo, man, what, what'd you learn? What do you think? Then I also like, you know, how has EB changed as a coach? Is he going to rip his shirt off? Are we going to see a shirtless EB after a game? Hype in the offense up? I want to see it, Biennium. I want to see those tits out.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  New tits.

• 8:11Travis Kelce?

  Who knows, man? Maybe, maybe he's elevated. He's taken his game to new heights in that regard. Uh, but, uh, it'll be awesome to see him back with the Chiefs. Final piece of new news. Jason has joined Tik Tok.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  That's right, Travis. I've finally, I've finally done it. Well, I have two videos. I think they're both very high quality. I was in Huntington, West Virginia and saw this Frost Stop root beer mug.

• 8:32Travis Kelce?

  Jason, what the fuck were you doing in Huntington, West Virginia?

• 8:36Speaker 03

  That's to be disclosed at a later date, but I was enjoying myself. I like the newest one. The newest ones, I like this one.

• 8:44Travis Kelce?

  Why the fuck is your nose so big?

• 8:46Speaker 03

  It's an optical illusion.

• 8:48Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man. Dude, they're so good.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  I made that one just for you, Trav.

• 8:54Travis Kelce?

  I fucking love those goddamn candies.

• 8:58Travis Kelce?

  God damn it, I love those.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm on TikTok. I don't know what I'm doing. I really don't understand how it works.

• 9:03Travis Kelce?

  You really do have like a button nose. Like that nose is, you got like a real like, you got like a little marble on the end of your nose there.

• 9:10Speaker 03

  It's just an illusion, I think, right?

• 9:12Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, kind of like a round tip of the, tip of the nose?

• 9:15Speaker 03

  I feel my nose just keeps getting bigger.

• 9:17Travis Kelce?

  Like that, oh, wow, I kind of got that too.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Look at that nose. How about that? Yeah. Now who's got the big nose?

• 9:23Travis Kelce?

  That's just a Ed Kelsey thing, huh? Because I definitely got an Ed Kelsey snose.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  That rosacea or whatever that stuff is called on his nose?

• 9:30Travis Kelce?

  What?

• 9:31Speaker 03

  The doctor started yelling at him for like going out in the sun too much and not wearing sunscreen.

• 9:35Travis Kelce?

  You're not part Croatian. You gotta be, you're not meant for the sun like that. You're, you're Irish.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  You're up there in them UK islands. You don't need to be out in the sun like that.

• 9:44Travis Kelce?

  The Welsh side of you, you need to be inside.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Or at least cover that nose. Just wear a hat.

• 9:49Travis Kelce?

  All right, well, let's not make fun of that. Once again, new news brought to you by American Express. Well, let's keep this thing moving into some bold topics to wrap up the divisional weekend that we just experienced, and I think we should do it with a friend.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Love that idea.

• 10:05Travis Kelce?

  A fellow Titan U.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  We need the expert of experts.

• 10:08Travis Kelce?

  He's the only expert that I trust with anything in life.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  I'm sorry to whoever's AirPods these are because I am a waxy eared guy. Let me tell you, you, you have no idea what you signed up for.

• 10:23Speaker 04

  I've shared sweaty towels. I've shared a lot of things I'm not proud of. I don't think I could put another man's AirPods in my ear. Do you ever look in your case? Like, do you ever open this and?

• 10:33Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I gotta get the Q-tips. I gotta clean that out, man. It can get bad.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  I've had to clean them.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's ugly. It's ugly.

• 10:39Travis Kelce?

  I'll just toss them and buy a new pair. I'll just eat the

• 10:42Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:43Travis Kelce?

  Thousand bucks for a new pair and just be like, dude.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  That's like ultimate rich guy move right there.

• 10:48Travis Kelce?

  Because I'll do, I'll get the haircut and then put them in and then, so then you got wax on top of hair.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  It's a dangerous game.

• 10:56Travis Kelce?

  Get some Aperol spritzes last night at the game or what?

• 11:00Speaker 04

  I would hammer an Aperol Spritz right now. Can we just meet up and just get a platter of Aperol Spritzes and just hammer them?

• 11:06Speaker 03

  That sounds great. I don't know if you know this Greg, but there's another person named Greg Olsen on Twitter. And for some reason I just like was getting their stuff on my homepage and they were sending out like a lot of like,

• 11:21Speaker 03

  like Dry January, like no more drinking. I was like, is Greg gone? Is he, is he giving up the sauce? And I thought it was you for like the three days. I was telling people, I was like, dude, I think Greg's going through some stuff. I don't really know what's happening right now.

• 11:36Travis Kelce?

  Nice cleanse. Never hurt you, buddy.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  Listen, if I was supposed to do Dry January, that lasted 25 minutes.

• 11:47Speaker 03

  Alrighty, stop wasting Greg's time.

• 11:50Travis Kelce?

  Thank you for the time, big guy. This has been a long time coming, man.

• 11:55Speaker 04

  I've never been more honored.

• 11:56Travis Kelce?

  Greg on here, man.

• 11:57Speaker 04

  Appreciate you guys having me on. I feel like this has been a long time coming. This is a career highlight. Every time you guys release like your new episode and I see who you chose over me,

• 12:08Speaker 04

  it hurts the soul just a little bit.

• 12:11Travis Kelce?

  Dude, stop it.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  We've been trying to get you on for years. You've been ducking us.

• 12:15Travis Kelce?

  Busy man.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  That's not true at all.

• 12:18Travis Kelce?

  All the weakened, all the weakened ball coaching that you do.

• 12:22Speaker 04

  True.

• 12:22Travis Kelce?

  Just you're, you're a tied up individual, man. And I'm just so glad that we finally freed you up here for a little divisional football talk.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  So least I could do.

• 12:30Speaker 03

  All right, I'm going to do this intro and we'll get to this very unserious discussion between three SlapTix. Sound good?

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Sounds right up my alley.

• 12:38Travis Kelce?

  Let's do this.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  Alrighty, we got a very special guest to help us wrap up the divisional round. That's right. Our guest today is the six foot five tight end out of the University of Miami. He's a first round pick in the 2007 draft. He played 14 seasons in the NFL, three time Pro Bowl, two time All-Pro, first tight end in NFL history to record three consecutive seasons with that Leafs, 1,000 yards of seeding. He's a founding member of Titan U and he is also a two-time Emmy winning broadcaster for Fox Sports. Please give us a giant welcome night of two percenters to the best tight end on this podcast right now, Mr. Greg Olsen.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Listen, I've been a part of some cool shit in my day. I've watched you do intros over a lot of episodes on this pod for a lot of really famous people. And I'm not gonna lie, I've laid in bed at night being like, I wonder what my intro would be. I wonder the energy, is it the same when you introduce The Rock as it is when you introduce me?

• 13:38Travis Kelce?

  You know it, baby. Even more.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  I have to say, everything that I dreamed of it being, it was better. It was better.

• 13:45Travis Kelce?

  Let's go!

• 13:46Speaker 04

  Especially a guy in a cowboy hat in a saloon.

• 13:51Travis Kelce?

  He's in character right now.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  A bit out of place right now.

• 13:54Travis Kelce?

  No, dude, you're right where you need to be.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  You do a great monologue, you do a great open, dude.

• 13:58Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it's the best. It's the best. He did, you did blackout though, you forgot to mention that he's the head coach of the undefeated Charlotte Christian Middle School Football Team, baby. Let's go, boys! Let's go, boys!

• 14:10Speaker 04

  Now, now you know you've made it in life. You wanna do some cool, go coach middle school football.

• 14:16Travis Kelce?

  Let's go!

• 14:17Speaker 04

  That's how you know you've made it.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Honestly, what is, what is it like coaching middle school football?

• 14:20Speaker 04

  It's ama- it is the, of all the shit that we do, it's probably like what I enjoy the most, right? So, what's cool about the age group is, um, so it's at the kids' school, like, like Trav said, Charlotte Christian, it's a K through 12 school here in Charlotte. Um, they've got a good program. So me, Luke Keakley, Jonathan Stewart, and my dad. We've coached it the last couple of years. Stu's kids go there, my kids go there, Luke has no kids, he's just been coaching with me for years when we started, when my two boys were little. So, we've been doing it over there. And what's cool is, unlike the other sports, a lot of kids nowadays aren't playing football until middle school, right? The days of growing up in first, second grade.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  So when we have these kids show up to our first practices in the summer, I mean, we, we joke that we like coach lunch. Like, we gotta teach them how to buckle their shoulder pads. We gotta teach them, you know, you got kids that are like strangling themselves. They can't buckle their helmets. Now they got those like, now the new fancy helmets, you know, they have like the ratchet, the ratchet straps.

• 15:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, so it's a lot easier, yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 04

  They're like stuck in their helmet. They can't get their helmets off. So like...

• 15:27Speaker 04

  It's amazing where we start.

• 15:29Travis Kelce?

  I can't see what this thing on.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  It's literally, we are the little giants and you know, so a lot of the kids, I would say one more than half have never played football. They might have played a little flag, a little seven of them, but and then by the end of the year, after a long time, all summer, all fall, lot of workouts and a lot of training, like what we're able to do with these, you know, call it 13 to 15 year old boys is, uh, man, it's just such a great age. They take it all in. They want to be coached. They want to be pushed. It's everything you guys remember. Like it's the, the most wholesome version of football you can imagine. And, uh, we live for it, man. We love it.

• 16:07Travis Kelce?

  Man, you got three all pros on your coaching staff. That is. How lucky are these freaking kids? Oh my gosh. The parents in the school districts that you guys are playing gotta be like, this is unfair. You can't do this.

• 16:21Speaker 04

  We get after it pretty good. Yeah. We, we always joke with Stu. So he's done this for the last two years. And you know, at the young age, you're really good players or your running backs. So we joke like, how nice is it for Stu? Like you just get to walk in and you just get to coach like the best three athletes in the school that are like, you just give him the ball every time, you know, but, um, yeah. And then Luke's out there teaching guys like fit gap fits and how we set the front and cover. I mean, it's, it's cool. And then, and my dad, who's out there, he's 73 years old. He was me and my brother's high school football coach. He's the youngest, he's the youngest 73 year old you've ever met. He, um, he was a 40 year high school football coach. Me and my brothers all played for him back home. So we, uh.

• 17:07Travis Kelce?

  Lean on him, man.

• 17:08Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 17:10Travis Kelce?

  That's so much fucking fun.

• 17:11Speaker 04

  It's amazing.

• 17:11Travis Kelce?

  Awesome, man. Me and Jason, we, we talk about this with our, our really more so with our college buddies that, that, uh, than anybody else, but we talk about it all the time. And like one day just getting into like a middle school, high school coaching deal. It's just the fact that you got to do it with the guys you played with too, man. And your father, that's gotta be so epic, man.

• 17:30Speaker 04

  Do it. If you guys get a chance to do it, I promise like of all the cool shit that you get to do and the experiences. And all that like the purpose and the connection and seeing these young boys like grow up in front of your eyes and like the light go off. It's it's pretty special and like we we look, we can't wait. We'll, we'll start here after spring sports end and we'll get back ripping into the summers and everything, but it's a it's everything you think it is. It's even better. I love it, man.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  That's awesome. Do you find that former Titans and linebackers make the best coaches? Cause you guys kind of got to know everything on both sides of the ball.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  You know, it's I talk about, because people ask me that a lot about like the TV stuff, right? So like, I think what's unique about tight end and even what you guys did with the offensive line, we sat, I just think back to when I played, we sat in on so many different meetings, right? I would sit in with the, I started every single day for, for nine years in Carolina in the offensive line room. When the special teams guys were doing their meeting, I was in there with the offensive line and was in their run game installs, all their pass pro meetings, all their stuff with our offensive line coach, um, John Matzko. Like, so that's where I started my day. And then I would jump out of that and go into the offensive pass game install and then sit through hot reads and, and coverages and pass games. So the point of saying all that, like now as I find myself doing the TV or even just coaching middle school kids,

• 18:50Speaker 04

  I spend every waking second with the offense and the defensive line. I do very little in the pass game. We're blocking, we're taking angles, step, footwork, splits, stance, combination blocks, double teams, angles, like, and it's just the perspective that I was around, not that that was, I certainly didn't make a living on double team blocks, but I've heard, I've heard and watched a lot of really, I've coached enough, right? I, I watched Ryan Khalil. I watched him block on counter. I watched how they taught guards to make sure you're going into the line of scrimmage to get on kick. Like, I was around it, experienced it, and you want to have a good middle school football team, have a good offensive line. You have a good offensive line, you're going to dominate people because nobody can block.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, it's also hard to have like a high powered passing attack in middle school.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  Or pass protection's a bitch.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, pass protection is rough.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  We're not sorting anybody on the backside for a week. We're not sliding the protection. It's a lot of like play action, bootleg, move the pocket. Yeah. We're, uh, and anything you do from the pocket is, uh, we're gap protection. Everyone's got your inside gap. Back's got the edges. We're building a wall. And if the quarterback doesn't throw it to the first or second guy.

• 20:07Travis Kelce?

  We got a three step drop. Yeah.

• 20:10Travis Kelce?

  There is no regression here. Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  But, uh, it's cool. And I'm sure you guys like everything about my career. I enjoy so much of the stuff that I didn't necessarily do personally, but I was exposed to. I use more of that knowledge, like it's now secondhand passively into my career and also just into my coaching more so than teaching a tight end how to run a stick route. Like it doesn't really, uh, it doesn't really come up as much.

• 20:38Travis Kelce?

  God, makes sense. I love it, man. Well, good luck to the boys this year. Uh, is it?

• 20:44Speaker 04

  Appreciate you.

• 20:44Travis Kelce?

  Still, uh, still middle school, right?

• 20:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got one more year. My, uh, my seventh grade, your boy TJ, my seventh grader.

• 20:51Travis Kelce?

  Let's go, fellow tight end, baby. Let's go, TJ.

• 20:54Speaker 04

  Fellow tight end. He's getting big now. He's getting tall. He's long.

• 20:57Travis Kelce?

  There we go. There we go.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  He wears 87. Look what the fuck.

• 21:01Travis Kelce?

  Why would you wear that number? Sometimes it's the only number there that makes sense, Jason. Just saying.

• 21:07Speaker 04

  I get it.

• 21:08Travis Kelce?

  All right. Here we go, baby. Uh, how we feeling after the natty, man? Miami obviously didn't, they weren't able to pull it off, but, uh, it was a fun game to watch and, uh, follow along to, man. Indiana just, uh, they just had it rolling this year, man.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, I, I think it was, what was so cool. It was a clean game, right? There wasn't a lot of controversy. The last, you know, obviously the last pick by, by Carson Beck was the only turnover. Like it was a good, clean football game. We, our offense really struggled in the first half, came to life there in the second, and then the game kind of flipped. Our offense came to life. We were going up and down the field. Passing game started clicking and we scored multiple, you know, back to back possessions there at the end, and we just couldn't get a stop. Right? The two fourth downs were throwing back shoulder fades. And of course the fourth down quarterback draw was a hell of a play by Mendoza. So, you know, it sucked pulling out of there. My wife and I both went to Miami. Our family members went to Miami. Like we're Miami You know, through and through and

• 21:59Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  Pulling out of the stadium and being on a flight full of Indiana fans this morning.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Leaving Lauderdale was not, was not the best feeling, but um, I'll tell you what Mario Cristobal, man, he, he's a stud. He was my tight end coach in college, actually. And um,

• 22:14Travis Kelce?

  Wow.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Now, obviously that, yeah, so he, he recruited me when he was at Rutgers early on in his career. Eventually became the tight end coach in Miami at the end of my career for a couple of years and then uh, went off to FIU and went off and did his head coaching stuff. So the fact that he's back home has them back on the national stage would have been a storybook ending for him to win. Miami guy grew up there.

• 22:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  Home, but um, you know, wasn't meant to be the other Miami guy, Mendoza, he got the storybook ending, but tough one to walk out of a man, it was what a moment, so cool. Connect with all former players, connect with guys I went to school with and uh, just kind of rally around a school that we all take a lot of pride in.

• 22:52Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah, man. That's awesome, man. So what was your freshman year? What, what year was it?

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I was oh, oh, three, so I got there in the fall of oh, three. Yeah, so we were, we were on the heels. So my junior year in high school, we beat Nebraska. My senior year in high school, we lost to Ohio State. So that I was my freshman year, uh, we went to the Orange Bowl, you know, back, it was like the BCS and all that back then. So we didn't play, we never played for a national title when I was there. We played in the BCS Bowl my freshman year. I was a red shirt. I was scout team, you know, but I'm breaking the huddle on the scout team and the scout team defenses. Sean Taylor and Antral Roll and Vince Wilfork and um, Jonathan Vilma and DJ Williams and Kelly Jennings. I mean, there was like seven first round picks just on defense.

• 23:35Travis Kelce?

  You're looking at a safety literally the same size as you.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Travis, if you would have seen Sean Taylor.

• 23:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh, holy shit.

• 23:42Speaker 04

  Like live and in person.

• 23:43Travis Kelce?

  Dude, no way.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Now, mind you, I came from North Jersey. Like, we played high school football, but you know, back then, like, we never played, you never played football outside of your little bubble.

• 23:52Travis Kelce?

  Right.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  So I went to like a summer camp here and there, but it was no pads and it, it just wasn't like kids are exposed to now where you know, every kid in California, every kid in Ohio, every kid in Florida. Wasn't the case back then, so I show up, man, and I'm a 225 pound, 18 year old freshman. And Sean Taylor, six, he looked like he was six, eight. And he's got the rainbow visor and.

• 24:17Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Tape on the face mask, you know it, man.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  I was like, what am I? Yeah, the tape on the bars. I'm like, what am I doing here? This is so stupid. Why am I here?

• 24:28Travis Kelce?

  That's so crazy.

• 24:29Speaker 04

  It was awesome and just a great part of my life and to see them back now and, and the guys feel prideful again and the country kind of take notice of them. It's, uh, it's been fun.

• 24:39Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  I don't think you have kids now have no idea. Like they weren't around when it was happening, but like the Miami, like it wasn't even just that they were good. It was that they were, I mean, the 30 for 30 on it says it so perfectly from back in the day too, but the like swagger and every, it was like the bravado that Miami had. It was on top of all that other stuff. So, but college football is just better when Miami is balling out. So.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  I agree. Well, I'm glad you guys feel that way. Cause we, our Miami guys are a little obnoxious, you know, like they walk around and, you know, they, especially probably of the last like 20 years, we've, cause we've all, we didn't accomplish shit. Like we all were in Miami, but we didn't actually like win anything worth meaning, but like we still acted like we did.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I think that Miami though, it feels like, yeah, there's like a, there's a confident, like swagger to it, but it doesn't feel like conceded, kind of like arrogant, like pompous. You know what I mean? Like that, those are the type of ones that you really get upset with. Like Miami is like a bunch of dogs that are just like achieving their dreams and love playing the game. That's kind of the vibe I always got.

• 25:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  No, I mean, it's like a little bit of a difference. The thing about Miami guys is the high energy and the, and the things they say, but they were like, you said it, like they were dogs, man. Like they were hard, the hardest working guys in college, the hardest working guys in the league. Like everybody that came out of Miami, everybody that I played with, everybody that I played with in the NFL, Miami guys, you never had to worry about like their work ethic, how hard they competed, their toughness. Like, and I think that's why they always had the respect of their teammates and the respect of everybody around them.

• 26:14Speaker 03

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• 26:19Travis Kelce?

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• 26:26Speaker 03

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• 26:30Travis Kelce?

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• 26:37Speaker 03

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• 26:37Travis Kelce?

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• 26:40Speaker 03

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• 26:46Travis Kelce?

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• 27:05Travis Kelce?

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• 27:11Speaker 03

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• 28:07Travis Kelce?

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• 28:17Speaker 05

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• 28:59Speaker 05

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• 29:19Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's talk some pro ball, man. Let's talk some, uh, some divisional round from last week, man. We had some great games, uh, and, uh, our first one I wanted to get into was this Bills Broncos game right now. Bills are, uh, taking some heat, man. They fired McDivitt, uh, Josh is taking some.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  McDermott.

• 29:37Travis Kelce?

  Damn it.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Do it again.

• 29:38Travis Kelce?

  McDermott, they fired McDermott and, uh. This TV shit ain't easy.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 29:45Travis Kelce?

  Names the worst over here, the absolute worst.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  It is hard.

• 29:49Travis Kelce?

  And by the way, I had to give you your flowers from the jump. You are the best at it right now, brother. My favorite to listen to 92 percenters, I don't give a shit if you think I'm biased. This man is the best calling the games right now, and I fucking love every single game that I get to listen to.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  Thanks, buddy.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  I love my guy Troy at ESPN, Troy and Joe Buck are phenomenal.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  They do great.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  I'm not trying to throw shade anywhere, but I will say it's pretty routinely acknowledged from players that Greg offers some of the best insight at of all time calling games.

• 30:23Speaker 05

  And he makes it fun, man. It's good times, baby.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  Well, the tie energy is good times, but there's really good insight that I think. You could tell, I mean, everybody's brought this up, like you're the son of a coach. Like the way you think about the game is very holistic. You're very caught up with the analytics. Like, I'm not telling you anything you know, but as a player, we all just enjoy how much you put into it and it's apparent. And it's every time I get the chance to listen to Greg Olsen, I come away learning something. As a professional player that played 13 years, which I think is just awesome.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  Means a lot. I appreciate that, guys. I enjoy doing it and coming from you guys. I know you're not biased. I know it's not, I get it. But, uh, no, I appreciate it. It means a lot more coming from you guys than you know, so I appreciate that.

• 31:09Travis Kelce?

  All right, now let's get into this Bills Broncos game right now. The Bills are taking some heat. McDermott just got canned and Josh Allen is getting some heat for, for not beating the Broncos. Thoughts on the game, Greg?

• 31:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, just kind of an interesting divisional weekend, right? You had some, you had two overtime thrillers. You had one just absolute dog of the game that, that got away up in Seattle. And then one kind of a clunky game with the Texans and, you know, that game kind of got weird and, and, you know, whatnot. And, and New England played well enough, didn't necessarily play great, but, uh, you know, just a struggle. So it was kind of a weird weekend all around. Usually the divisional round is when it gets really fun. It kind of flipped this year. The wild card weekend was incredible. I mean, every game was just, was down to the wire for the most part. But, um, yeah, I mean, you brought up the Bills. You know, I hate it for McDermott. So McDermott got hired there from Carolina. He was our coordinator. We had a lot of success with him.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Brandon Bean, the, the general manager, he was the assistant general manager. He cut his teeth here in Carolina and, and McDermott brought, um, Brandon from, from us to, to Buffalo. So to see them kind of have to start from scratch, I love McDermott. They've been there for nine years. A lot of those coaches are guys that I played for and worked with, you know, so you guys know it sucks to see guys lose their job at any team, right? No one roots for coaches to be fired. Players especially hate it. Um, the one thing about the league is, you know, change is inevitable and, you know, you have a guy like Josh Allen and, you know, here you are year after year, just getting Right to the end and they just can't get over the hump. And then I think, you know, a lot of people saw this opportunity with, with you guys, Trav not being in it for the first time in a while.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  I think a lot of people saw this as Josh's opportunity. Like, all right, get over the hump, right? No Mahomes, no Burrow, no Lamar, get those premier guys out of the way and here's your opportunity. But, you know, as you guys well know, it's, it's never as simple as that. I think while Josh Allen is incredible and I'd argue he's, he's the best player, if not, he's the top three player on any given year in the league. But, um, you know, the roster, they, they got holes, they had issues, you'd have given up 30 plus on defense. And certainly he made his fair share of mistakes in that last game, but their margin for error was just so small. I think the roster was okay. I don't think it was a great roster. It was elevated by a generationally talented quarterback and

• 33:31Speaker 04

  ownership just realized, hey, same old story every year and we're going to try something different and it sucks, but it's the nature of this business.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  Well said. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing with the Josh Allen, I guess, noise out there, like everybody's crushing him. Well, not everybody, he's getting his fair share of criticism and rightfully so, at least two of the like turnovers were blatant mistakes, right? It shouldn't happen. But at the same time, it's hard to criticize him because like the only reason that team had the season it did and got there was because of him. And like, there was plenty of other times had that game go their way and Josh made a bunch of plays in it as well. So I don't know, man, it's, it's a hard one to say because you, you obviously want to hold him accountable. You want to hold McDermott accountable. But like, again, both of those guys, I don't know that either of them was the reason that they haven't accomplished it yet.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  It feels like they've always been missing pieces here or there. That offense, you take away Josh Allen, like they're, outside of James Cook, who really stresses the defense that much, right? Like the offensive line is great. They have a great run game and Josh just makes tons of plays, but, um, yeah, it's, it's a tricky one for sure. I don't know. What do you, where do you sit with? I guess Josh's performance, like, how would you go about grading that as, as an analyst?

• 34:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I, you know, I, I think what you have to be careful is just saying like your performance in this one given moment, like, how did you play in the divisional round? I think there's a lot of examples and we can go back just this year, you know, in, in just the last couple of weeks of playoff games where, you know, would you say Drake May had his best game in the play, come the postseason? He hasn't probably played his best, but CJ Stroud turned the ball over 15 times, it felt like, and they win. So he gets another crack at it. And Stafford certainly hasn't been as good in the postseason. He's going to be the MVP most likely, but, you know, in the regular season, he was incredible. I had him in that wild card round. Like they almost lost to Carolina. He made some incredible plays down the stretch, but he wasn't great that whole game to the standard that they've set.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  You touched on, obviously Drake may not playing as good as he would have hoped yet. Uh, CJ Stroud, I mean, we used to call that being in the matrix, right? Like you don't know what's up, what's down. Like you are just rattled. What, if, if you're out there, you're a teammate, what are you saying to this guy to try and weather this? Or as a coach even, like, how do you get somebody kind of out of that and back into a rhythm?

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I think two full, it's a great question, right? Cause watching it just as a fan and, and I like CJ. He's a great kid. I've always enjoyed the time I've been around him.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  Have a lot of respect for him and, and obviously super talented to watch a kid, to watch a guy at any position, but especially the quarterback clearly at a source and the ball coming out of his hand, the weather clearly affected him. Then it starts getting mental that every ball he threw was like a hope and a prayer, and it just kind of spiraled away on him, especially there in the first half. You, it just kills you. Like you never want to see someone struggle like that. So I think in the moment, there's one way to handle it, right? There's, you know, the coaches need to do a good job with play calling and play sequencing and giving them easy completions as teammates. Make a play for them. Make a contested catch, right? Give them more time if you're pass protecting or, you know, we got to get open quicker and separate and give them an easy target. So

• 36:45Speaker 04

  I think there's things you can do on the field. Then there's the sideline interaction. You know, obviously you want to be positive. You want to be encouraging. You want to try to keep them going. So in the game, I think there's a lot of people, coaches, players, teammates that can do a lot to try to unburden him, like take some of the load off of his back. Cause obviously he's feeling it pile on. And then I think even more importantly, like, how do they handle it now? Right? So the game's over. They lost, the season's done. They have a lot of their future tied to him being their quarterback for the next 10 years. How does the organization, how does D'Amico Ryans, how does the ownership and front office, how do they handle him, right? You can't just say, hey, don't worry about it, go on vacation, we'll see you next week. But you also can't crush him. So I think it's going

• 37:29Speaker 04

  to be a very delicate balance and they're going to have to go about that in the right way because holding a guy accountable and not crushing his spirit, who's the future, as we all know, is a very fine line. And if they don't straddle it the right way and it goes too far other end, they jeopardize a lot of their future.

• 37:47Travis Kelce?

  It's tough, man.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 37:48Travis Kelce?

  People are also saying it's tough as officiating a catch because the Bills fans and really the uproar of the entire, this divisional round, from what I caught on the aftermath was, you know, the catch in the Bills game versus the catch in the Rams game between Devante. But this Bills, the deep throw to Brandon Cooks, how did you see it? Did they get it right from, from your view?

• 38:14Speaker 04

  I think they did. I, I think because the catch was going to the ground, he's not down by contact until the fall through the ground is completed. So I get the frustration. If I was the offensive player, if I was on the Bills, I would have been fighting my ass off too. But when you take a step back and you just evaluate, now, we can debate whether that rule is sound. We can debate whether the catch rules are clear or not. And that's a legitimate debate that needs to be had. But as it's currently written, while the process was clunky and bad communication and poorly handled and all that taken away, it was, it was a correct call in my opinion.

• 38:53Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, Joe Burrow agreed. He said, the amount of people that don't understand what a catch is in the rulebook flabbergasts me.

• 38:59Speaker 04

  Joe came out of retirement. He had tweeted in two years.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  I don't think I've seen him say anything ever.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  All of a sudden, Joe was so fired up over going to the ground reception, it got him out of hibernation.

• 39:12Travis Kelce?

  Listen, if you're gonna watch the game, you gotta know the rules and I'm flabbergasted if you don't.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Flabbergast- and what a great word.

• 39:19Travis Kelce?

  I love it. I don't even care what he said to the world. I'm just glad he used the word flabbergast.

• 39:24Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  Greg, you're the Bills GM. You know Bean, what do you think this team needs from coaching, player, all of it?

• 39:30Speaker 04

  You know, it's a great question and I was talking to a buddy about it this morning and if I'm Brandon Bean and I'm ownership and I have the magic wand, I think there's a lot of Buffalo Bills fans right now that are saying, wait a minute. We just went from decades of irrelevance to nine really good years. And again, never made it to a Super Bowl, but like, we put the Buffalo Bills on the map more than they had in decades prior to McDermott getting there. So I'm looking at this saying, okay, everyone wants to make change, but how often do we see change? And the guy making, and the new guy not being as good as the old guy, right? We're trying to replace 10 NFL coaches right now. Can we all sit here and say these 10 coaches are gonna be better than the guys they replaced?

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Odds tell us they're not. Odds tell us it's not how it works. So.

• 40:18Travis Kelce?

  Especially not the first year. Yeah.

• 40:20Speaker 04

  No. Yeah. Now, the advantage you get is you get the inherent Josh Allen, who makes a little of these margins a little bit wider.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  But if I'm them, I think I'm getting away from defense. I don't think I can sell to my fans, even if it's the right move. I don't think I can sell to fans and to ownership. We're gonna replace a very successful defensive minded coach and just replace him with another defensive minded coach. So my gut is, I think they go the offensive route. I think the pendulum swings to the other side. You know, do they, do they just promote Joe Brady, who has a really good relationship with Josh Allen? And again, I'm speculating, but like, do they, do they go with Joe and say, you know what? Let's focus there. Let's stay consistent on the offensive side of the ball. Let's not worry about replacing that, that play caller over years. And then we can go out and get one of these defensive coordinators, you know, who's a former head coach, right?

• 41:11Speaker 04

  Do you get Jonathan Gannon? You know, the Vic Fangios of the world, right? Who you get. And you just say lock him in the room and you have the defense and we don't have to worry about it for a long time. So those guys are all over the place. Typically, there's more defensive guys that are available than offensive guys at that level. So that's what I would do, right? Do they bring back Dable? Do they bring, you know, they, do they promote Joe Brady? I think it's going to be an offensive guy. I just think for a lot of reasons for, for Josh, for getting that offensive pass game and everything organized consistently over time. And also more so than anything else, just sell it to the fan base. I think that's a big part of this.

• 41:50Travis Kelce?

  Well, speaking of the fan base, the fan base has been floating out a guy who's been undefeated in years past. Do you know Brandon Bean from your time in Carolina? Like Jason said, I think your name has been floated out there. Would you, would you consider being an NFL coach?

• 42:07Speaker 04

  You know, it all depends on what my future looks like on new heights. Like if this is going to be recurring, I think if this is going to be recurring and this is something that I stay, I just can't, I can't make my schedule. Apparently you guys couldn't get ahold of me for all these years. Apparently I was so hard to get ahold of that. I don't want to cloudy and muddy my schedule up to not be available. So we'll, we'll, we'll talk offline about what my future looks like here with you guys. But, um, you know, in all seriousness, I've had coaches, never to be a head coach, but I've had head coaches, you know, text me or call me and say, hey, would you ever consider if we had a spot? And, and I've always, you know, you're always flattered and you're always, you know, it's nice. I'm not sure right now being in a, now you told me I could be the head coach?

• 42:49Speaker 04

  That's a different story. All right. Now, now we're entering into a new world, but you know, the idea of coaching is something I love. The idea of, as fun as TD is, and I love it and my plan is to do this for 30 years. We'll see what the, you guys know, and Jason, you're going through it right now. Like as fun as game day is in the booth and on set and in the studio, it's just different. Not like you're watching these guys prepare for the game. You're watching warmups. You're watching the thrill of victory, the agony of these bone crushing losses, the locker room, the guys, the relationships, the hard times. Like you're never going to fill Like that never gets filled. What we do in TV is really close to it from like a competitive

• 43:31Speaker 04

  and like you're in the juice. Coaching is probably a little bit closer to the action. You're like truly living and dying because you are impacting the game. That appeals to me. I love that competitive element of it. Um, if by some randomness I was ever considered for a job, it's something I would definitely consider, but I, I don't sit here right now pursuing that. It's not something I picture myself doing at a, any higher level than I'm doing it right now with 14 year old kids, but uh, I like doing the TV stuff. It keeps me, it keeps me involved in the game a lot and uh, I get my competitive coaching fix yelling at younger kids. I don't want to get in there and have to start yelling at Travis. What the hell am I going to say?

• 44:11Travis Kelce?

  Fuck, I coached me hard, Greg. You gotta coach me hard, man.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  Just keep getting open and throw him the ball. Make this shit too hard. Hey, you see that guy right there? He's going to be open. Throw it to him.

• 44:24Travis Kelce?

  Well, every, everybody sees how, how good of a coach you, you could possibly be. That's why, that's why we had to ask, but if there was, if there was an opportunity, let's say, let's, let, I'll, I'll ask this. Among all the open head coaching jobs right now, which one is the most appealing? If you are looking to be a head coach?

• 44:43Speaker 04

  That's a great question. So I, I think right now Buffalo is very appealing because every coach wants a quarterback, right? Every coach feels it's the hardest position to get. And if I have one, now I can put all of my focus everywhere else. If you inherit one of these jobs and you have to put, and most likely these jobs, a lot of them are open because the teams weren't very good. A lot of them, generally speaking, you're trying to find the quarterback and build your staff and build the roster and, and, and, and it's just, it's, it's so hard. So you know, you walk into Buffalo, you say, okay, that box is checked for eternity. I can put all of my time and effort into everything else. How do I shore up my defense, my O-line?

• 45:25Speaker 04

  You know, whatnot. So Buffalo feels like the best job just from that standpoint alone.

• 45:30Travis Kelce?

  Another one that's intriguing is Baltimore. Baltimore, Lamar is a fucking generational talent. He's a guy that, that. Yeah, and, and, and a lot of really, really fucking good players on that team. Obviously, a unique set of like, like, like a unique skill set in terms of the type of offense that they've been running. But I think it's still, it's gonna be very interesting to see who lands there and, and how that team changes as well.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, that, that's a fascinating one. And again, you move off of, it goes back to our earlier question about, you know, you, you make change because you're, you're unhappy with the current status quo. And that's ownership's, the ownership has the right to do that. You get rid of a guy like John Harbaugh, are you convinced that you can replace him with a better coach? And maybe they do. And certainly, we've seen it go both ways, but like, that's a tall task. That's, that's not a given, just because you make change, that it's gonna be changed for the better. So I agree with you, they, they've got some really unique pieces there on offense. Obviously, again, quarterback being checked with Lamar is a great place to start. But I'm, I'm with you, Trav. I think that's gonna be fascinating to see, do they go offense?

• 46:42Speaker 04

  Do they go different? Do they go back to like leader of men and kind of stay in that same Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin type vibe, which both Pittsburgh and Baltimore have been for a long time? Yeah, I'm with you. I think that's gonna be very fascinating to see how ownership in the front office kind of decides to move forward there.

• 46:59Travis Kelce?

  It's, you got, you gotta bring in somebody with that, that similar toughness, man. I just, I really just don't see it panning out, man. But it's got, you gotta have that toughness as a coach, especially in that division with those teams.

• 47:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, no doubt.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Well, if you want to be an offensive coordinator, we do have a position open in Philadelphia, Greg. We could really use your help with. We, we need some expertise in the building.

• 47:21Speaker 04

  I love Sirianni. I actually texted him a little bit because I ran into his brother-in-law at the Miami game. So I, I was texting with him, we were just kind of shooting the shit a little bit. I love Sirianni, and I know he gets a lot of flack and people want to come after him. I love him. I love his, I love his energy. I love his edge. I love the way he manages the game. And I, you know, I end up fighting the entire universe on behalf of him a couple of weeks ago.

• 47:46Speaker 04

  That was a losing proposition. I don't know if you guys are familiar with social media, but not, not worthwhile. I don't know if you guys are new to this. I think if I'm an offensive play caller, I'm doing everything in my power to get that job. I want to go call off its plays in Philadelphia because you can do whatever you want.

• 48:07Travis Kelce?

  Pick your poison, man.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  That's a great job.

• 48:09Travis Kelce?

  And when that whole line gets healthy too, holy shit.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  That's a great job.

• 48:13Travis Kelce?

  You want to get into this, uh, Nikki Foles situation now that we're talking a little Eagles offense?

• 48:18Speaker 03

  Let's go, baby.

• 48:19Travis Kelce?

  So Nick Foles offered up some advice. Uh, obviously Broncos losing Bo Nix going into the, uh, the biggest game of his career. Jared Stidham, uh, will start for the Broncos, has not thrown a pass all season long and is in the AFC championship against the Patriots and the fighting, uh, Mike Rabels, man. Nick Foles offered up some advice on social media. Note for the Broncos and their fans. I know it's been an emotional 24 hours. I feel for Bo and the team. Um, and I'm sending prayers for a strong recovery. A positive note though, on going into a game versus the Patriots is that they struggle against back of QBs in championship type games.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  It's an all time tweet from Nick.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  How many retweets is it up to?

• 49:01Speaker 03

  That's a great question. Brandon, what are we at?

• 49:03Speaker 04

  As of yesterday, it was like 20,000.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  20,000?

• 49:07Speaker 04

  It was at like 20,000, I think, at one point.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  I thought, I thought so. I might be making that up. Hold on.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  It's gotta be something ridiculous.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  Maybe I made that up. Hold on.

• 49:17Travis Kelce?

  No, 23K with 17 million views and 200,000 fucking likes.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  Deservedly so.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  You talk about using social media with a great kind of as a craft. That was a really well worded, well timed. Obviously the internet loved it and super relevant because.

• 49:36Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, stay positive, boys. Anything's possible.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  I mean, Wentz was going to be the MVP. You guys replaced potentially the MVP of the league that year and won the Super Bowl.

• 49:46Travis Kelce?

  Tricky Nikki Foles, man.

• 49:47Speaker 03

  It was wild. And I still remember Wentz went down and I still remember you could hear a pin drop in the locker room. Like we were all, we knew his ACL was torn in the locker room after the game. We were like, dude, what is going to happen? How are we going to overcome this? We just lost our starting quarterback and thankfully Malcolm Jenkins like was up as a hey, we still got a great team and Nick Foles has played a lot of football here. We had all played with them under Chip, so we kind of had a lot of familiarity and confidence with Nick. And it took us a couple of games. That's the one thing that Stidham doesn't have. Like we got the rest of the off, the rest of the season and kind of warmed into that role. It's going to be interesting. I mean, Sean Payton is one of the all time schemers and he was in his bag this last week against the Bills like we had a thick six,

• 50:30Speaker 03

  frigging had a bootleg throwback at the end of the half. Like he was dialing them up in that game as well. So it'll be interesting to see what he kind of has suited this coming week against the Patriots. I don't really know. I mean, I'm, I want to see Stidham play well. Are you familiar with Stidham at all?

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I know him enough. You know, he came out, got drafted by the Patriots. Oddly enough, but again, just hasn't played a ton. Obviously hasn't thrown a pass this season.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  You know, so just not a ton of experience. I do know just from talking to people around there that Sean Payton does have a lot of confidence in him. Like he views him as like a, like a sleeper backup, but and again, I might, this isn't a knock on him, but what you said is exactly right. He has no runway. Right? There's no like, hey, give him a couple of weeks. He'll find his footing. There's no best of seven series. He doesn't get to come back on Monday and play again. Like this is it. And you're playing against, you know, one of the top teams in the league, arguably the best story in football and Drake, who's going to be up for, you know, in the running with Stafford and MVP. So tall task. You get it at home, which is certainly helpful. And, um, but yeah, it's a, it's a, I mean, just could you imagine? I mean, you went through it, but could you imagine you just win

• 51:42Speaker 04

  an overtime football game in the playoffs to go to the AFC championship? And you're walking off, you're, you're loving life. Your quarterback's doing a press conference, sideline hit, all this, and you walk into the locker room. And I don't even think 30 minutes had passed before Sean Payton broke the news in the press conference. Not only that he broke his ankle, that he was done for the season. Like he didn't say, we're going to reevaluate tomorrow. Like typically he's done. Yeah. Could you imagine the mixed emotions? It's everything you said you went through with Wentz to Foles, but.

• 52:17Speaker 04

  Six days before the NFC Championship.

• 52:19Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  The AFC Championship. Like, I cannot imagine what their day was like the next day waking up and having to piece it together.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Right, absolutely. It was wild.

• 52:30Travis Kelce?

  Stidham has some live bullets though. Like, he's played, he's played some ball in the National Football League, so I don't think he cones in there with just absolutely, you know, no confidence. Obviously, he's got a great team around him. He's got Sean Payton dialing those things up for him. And I think, I think it'll actually be better than what people are assuming. Obviously, Bo Nix is unbelievable talent. What he can do with his feet, his arms, outside of the pocket, he's more of a gamer. And in the fourth quarter, he does have that ability to just make the fucking crazy ass play or make, make the big play, the game changing play. And Stidham definitely is gonna have to come in and show us that he's ready for that moment, but I think it's gonna be closer and, and, and, and just a better game than kinda how it feels

• 53:15Travis Kelce?

  knowing that one of the best players in the league isn't gonna be playing.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  Who do we think is gonna take the NFC? Let's switch over. Switch conferences. We had two, well, we had one amazing game in the Rams versus the Bears. And then one just complete blowout with Seattle. How do you see that shaking out? Cause Seattle just looks like unbeatable on defense. The way they swarm to the ball, they're good at every level. It's absurd.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, Seattle's defense is incredible. And, you know, I'd say probably the back half of the season, I was fortunate to have a couple of Seattle games, couple Rams games, had the Rams first round of the playoffs. So like, I had enough time kinda taking them in and kinda getting a picture of what they looked like. And I thought going into the playoffs, the Rams and the Seahawks were the best two teams in either side, in either the AFC or the NFC side of the playoffs. I think they were the most balanced. I think they had the quarterback play, the offense's ability to score points, and then obviously being very good on defense. That Seattle defense. To me is how every defense in the league would want to be created, right? They're, they're little, they manage the game up front. They're going to play with five or six DBs the entire game. They've got a lot of like positionless hybrid type second and third level players.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  They keep a lid on it. They play fast, they play in space, but then you still can't run the ball. Like you're saying, oh, we got all these light boxes and they're in nickel, they're in dime. We're just going to beat them up and you can't gain a yard. They're really physical up front. They've got good running chase players at the second level like, and I think Mike McDonald's is the defensive equivalent of like McVeigh on offense. So yeah, I think Seattle's probably the most well-rounded team in the league. I felt that way kind of down the stretch. I feel even more so about that. Going into this weekend's game, I love McVeigh. I, I think McVeigh is very unique. I think he's incredible. Stafford's probably going to be the MVP. Of all the NFC matchups, it's probably the best matchup. If you could have picked before the playoffs, like who do we want playing in Seattle?

• 55:09Travis Kelce?

  100%, yeah.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  I think the last time they played, it was damn fireworks. It was incredible. So that's the game I'm most looking forward to. And I think it's clearly the best two teams for sure in the NFC. But if not, I, I think in a lot of ways are the best two teams in the entire playoffs.

• 55:24Travis Kelce?

  I'm right there with you. Obviously Seattle, Seattle, we just talked about that defense, how they fly around the energy that that team plays with.

• 55:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:32Travis Kelce?

  The, the both, it feels like they got a lot of young guys that just love to fucking play ball and they have this, they have this camaraderie and those teams with the juice, man, they just, it just feels like those teams find ways to win at the end. And it, it goes back to what you were saying, how the Rams and Seahawks played their last game was a fucking insane, crazy ending to the game. And you could just see it was like, it was like stars were coming out of, of both, of, of this Seattle team of like, when they made plays, um, AJ Barner. Our, our, our tight end, our fellow tight end in, in, over, over there in Seattle, man. One of my favorite guys, a young guy, a swag champ kind of guy that, that, that just come out, kind of like brings everyone together. They have guys like that on the offensive side, defensive side.

• 56:18Travis Kelce?

  And I just think that team right now is going to be so fucking difficult to beat. Especially when you got Walker running for how, like, how, like, how aggressive and, and hitting the second level with speed, man. That's a, that's going to be a fucking tough team to beat. And the Rams, the Rams snuck by the Bears, dude. That game was a fun game to watch. An old Soldier Field, baby. A familiar place that you know, Greg. And when that place is fucking rocking, man. It is a, it is a fucking, it is a different type of, of energy, man. I got to see one of Jason's games, the double doink, man. Shout out to Nags, love Nags. But I got to see the double doink when Jason was playing over there in Chicago. And you just, you, it's a different type of atmosphere when the Bears are fucking in it, man.

• 57:02Travis Kelce?

  When the Bears have a fucking chance and right now they got, they, they, they have one of the best and most exciting quarterbacks in the league. Young and, and you're starting to see these unbelievable plays kind of unfold. His ability to make this magic that he had in college. It's starting to get comfortable in the NFL and he's starting to make these crazy plays. That fourth down and forever throwing it to our guy Cole Komet, man. Shout out to tight ends everywhere right now making plays. Cole Komet, man, that was one of the craziest fucking plays I've ever seen in my life. And I still get chills watching all the different camera angles from the stands. And I'm just happy for Chicago to finally get something that they can go out there and fucking cheer for, man.

• 57:41Speaker 04

  I'm not sure if there's a cooler city in the country as when their team is good than Chicago. And I was fortunate, I got there, when, when I got drafted there was on right off their Super Bowl loss. They lost to Indianapolis. Couple of months later, I got drafted there. It took us a couple of years. We didn't make the playoffs. And my fourth year, we made the playoffs. We ended up hosting the Packers in the NFC Championship game. It turned out to be my last game. I got traded that next offseason to Carolina. But man, I got to see it firsthand. You know, it's, it's snowing, the crowd, the City, the stadium is in the heart of the city, which is very unique. And you know, you don't see that a lot anymore with where they're built. It's just, it's a city that just loves their sports. They love the Bears.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  They've had a history of all, you know, between the Cubs and the White Sox and the Bulls and the Blackhawks.

• 58:29Travis Kelce?

  Blackhawks.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  They've had a lot of success, but man, they want the Bears to win again. They want, it is a bear city. And football rules is right. So it's, it was cool. I mean, watching that game in the snow, Caleb backpedaling, throwing a 17 yard pass, 50 yards in the air. It felt like that ball was in the air for three days. And when he threw it, and when he threw it, everyone was like, oh my God, that's what the end of the season came down to. It was like a punt and then sure as shit, Cole Komet's wide open.

• 58:58Travis Kelce?

  Right in the old bread basket.

• 58:59Speaker 04

  Man, it was, I thought they were going to go for two. Ben Johnson had been so aggressive in the playoffs, going for it on fourth down, did it against Green Bay in the wild card round. Going for it on fourth, continuing to push the envelope and then had a chance there. I thought he was going to go for two, elected to go to overtime and with these new overtime rules and you can debate how you handle it. But um, man, it, that was a heartbreaking way for Chicago's season, but the Rams have won both games that way. You know, I was there in Carolina calling that game when it looked like Carolina took the lead with two minutes and they looked like they were going to win. And Stafford makes plays and you know, McVeigh pulls plays out of his ass and puts it all together where they have to. He's so talented and so unique.

• 59:43Speaker 04

  But man, it, tight ends, but you're right, tight ends all over the world. There's a lot going on here. I mean, tight ends, glory, what the Rams are doing with their dudes. It's, it's a fun time to be an NFL fan. It's a fun time to just sit back as just a casual observer and just take in exciting. I wouldn't say good football. There's a lot of bad football going on, but man, it is fun football. And uh, these last couple of weeks of the playoffs have been awesome.

• 1:00:09Travis Kelce?

  Get me fired up for this round, baby. Let's fucking go. Yeah. So we got Rams Seahawks, we talked about it a little bit. Um, but uh, it's, it just feels like that's going to be the game that, that, that, you know, the team that goes on is going to win the Super Bowl, man. It just feels like though both those teams, the Rams having that veteran presence that we've done it before, we've got the guys and then the Seahawks of like this new magic and it's Sam Darnold playing his tail off and the run game and the excitement and the juice, it just feels like right now the NFC is cooking, man.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  That's kind of how I view it and I think it does run and then obviously it complicates things now with Denver's chances and all this stuff we've talked about. So fascinating final four, maybe not the final four everyone would have imagined for sure when the season started, but maybe not even down the last couple of weeks. So that's what makes the NFL king and one, one game series, man, are so challenging and you know, you guys have been on the good and the bad. I've been on more of the bad than the good come postseason, but uh, those one game series, man, they'll get you.

• 1:01:14Travis Kelce?

  They will, man. It's what makes football the fucking best, baby. You lose, no championship weekend.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

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• 1:01:22Travis Kelce?

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• 1:01:34Travis Kelce?

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• 1:02:05Travis Kelce?

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• 1:02:11Speaker 03

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• 1:02:27Speaker 03

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• 1:02:33Travis Kelce?

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• 1:02:37Speaker 03

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• 1:02:42Travis Kelce?

  Woo, Raisin Canes. I'll tell you what, man. Back in the day, and when I say back in the day, just like a decade ago, when I was in college, when I used to drive to Ohio State or around Columbus, I would go through the Columbus drive through of Raisin Canes every single time.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  Dedication, Trav. And it makes sense because that cane sauce is unmatched. And don't even get me started on that Texas toast.

• 1:03:06Travis Kelce?

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• 1:03:12Travis Kelce?

  Damn straight. I do not. It's right down the street. Jason, what's your go to order at Canes?

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  Chicken fingers.

• 1:03:18Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man. That's, that's my favorite order too, Jason. But we got to give a shout out to the owner and founder, Todd Graves, man. Such a good dude.

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• 1:03:48Speaker 03

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• 1:04:07Travis Kelce?

  All right now. All right. Well, that wraps up Bold Topics. Let's get into our last segment. Greg, we appreciate you, your time and, and all the fun and all the great insights you always have. But let's get to this last segment, which is we gotta ask, but you don't gotta fucking answer. You can tell us fuck off if you want, but we'll shoot you with some of our, some of our best questions you had, man. Everyone's seen the viral photo of you at, at the McCaffrey wedding. Our intern is getting married, hopefully sometime soon. Do you have any advice for him and him alone on the five must haves at a good wedding?

• 1:04:42Travis Kelce?

  Because it looks like you are a pro at wedding.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Number one's me. I mean, let's just be honest. I just want to be clear here. For anyone, for Jason, for anyone potentially getting married, there's a lot of people saying it. I don't say it, but there's a lot of people saying it like, if you want it to be memorable and you want there to be great energy and great camaraderie and fellowship and moments, like, I'm at the top of the list.

• 1:05:05Travis Kelce?

  Send the invite, Trav.

• 1:05:07Speaker 04

  Send the invite, Trav. No, listen, there's no, there's no, we don't do pity invites. There's no pressure. We don't do pity, we don't do pity invites. Listen, you want guys that bring it and have a lot of fun and can dance with grandma or the bride or the bridesmaid or the, we're very, very, it's like the tight end position. We're very multiple.

• 1:05:28Travis Kelce?

  It is.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  We're very versatile. A lot of different music. We can go Journey. We can go Rihanna. We can do a lot of different things. We can karaoke if it gets crazy.

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  Had a lot of fun at McCaffrey's wedding, as you saw.

• 1:05:43Travis Kelce?

  As you can see, yeah. A lot of good dudes there.

• 1:05:46Speaker 04

  Oh, all time. We had a blast. It was like a reunion. All right. So five must haves at a wedding from the guys' perspective, from the groom's perspective.

• 1:05:54Travis Kelce?

  Yes, guys.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. So music runs the show. So I would say number one, don't go too long on the ceremony.

• 1:06:00Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  Right? Like, you gotta do the ceremony and you gotta have your moment and your love, but like, don't, like, everyone's really excited to get to the cocktail hour.

• 1:06:09Travis Kelce?

  Yep, everyone's excited. Don't lose the energy.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. So let's find the balance between like honoring each other and getting this thing started off the right way, but also realizing why everybody came. So let's not go too long on the ceremony. Number two, like cocktail party, cocktail hour's gotta be incredible. While bride and groom, while you guys are off taking pictures and doing your thing, like, we need to have great cocktails. We need to have great finger foods. Everyone's hungry, right? I want a little sushi. I want a little shrimp cocktail.

• 1:06:40Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  I want like really good little like finger crab cakes. I think cocktail hour really sets the tone. The music, I think you can go either way. I've seen great, like, like big, big bands that can play anything, multiple different singers, and it's awesome. DJs can also work great. Music is critical. You gotta keep people out there. You gotta keep people engaged on the dance floor. I don't even know how many things I just gave. Was that free?

• 1:07:03Travis Kelce?

  That's four, that's four. Give us one more.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  That's four? All right. So one more.

• 1:07:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, and this sounds cheesy, but like you just gotta have your people there, right? Like you gotta have your people that you wanna share this moment with because you're gonna wake up the next morning for breakfast and meet your family and friends and you're gonna reminisce. It's like college, right? You wake up after the night before. The best part was talking about the night before and rehashing all the moments and all that. So you wanna make sure you have your people there that mean a lot to you, that you wanna share hopefully the best day of your life with and be able to live. Oh, and film it. I regret not filming my wedding. We did a photographer, no videographer, and I regret it. I would love to be able to show my kids my wife and I's wedding. We only have photos. Big regret. So I'm actually gonna

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  move that like besides me, I'm gonna move that like way off the list. Way off the list. Get that shit on video.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  There we go. Take notes, Brandon. All right. Who was the more eccentric quarterback? Jay Cutler or Cam Newton?

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:08:09Speaker 04

  So my, my, my understanding of what that word of what like eccentric means, I'd say Cam.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  Jay wasn't necessarily eccentric as much as he was just Jay, right? Like Jay had a very, and the one thing about Jay is he was pretty consistent. Like you knew what you were gonna get. He was a good teammate. He worked hard. He was tough. I always had a great relationship with Jay. Not everyone did. He wasn't for everyone. The personality, there was a little aggressive. Me and Jay always had a great relationship. He was always great to me and my family. We had a lot of good moments together in our short time, you know, the couple of years that we played before I got traded. So I had nothing but good things to say about Jay in a lot of ways. Cam was Cam. I mean, you see it now, right? You turn on First Take and he's got the, the gear and the hats. Yeah. And, and you know, he's always had his little

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  flair from the time he got drafted, right? It started with the little, um, he had like a little like, I don't know if it was a, it was like a tail of some sort. Like he would hang out. What was it?

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  It was a fox tail.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  Fox tail. So you cool guys. Yeah, I can't wear fox tails. I'll tell you what, Trav, you could probably get away, like, there's very few guys that can wear what Cam wears. I think Trav, to a degree, like,

• 1:09:24Travis Kelce?

  He could pull it off?

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  People would look at me and be like, that guy's a douchebag. I think people would look at Trav

• 1:09:29Travis Kelce?

  No way, dude.

• 1:09:30Speaker 04

  And be like, that dude's fucking cool. Like, I want to hang with that guy. So, but no, Cam,

• 1:09:36Travis Kelce?

  Dude, if Cam's coming out with a line of, of, of the top hats and the suits and the scarf, if he's coming out with a line, I'm fucking getting, I need one of the hats. Fifty percent of that. He should sign you. Easily, easily.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  So, I actually own, like, four. They're called Mashika, free plug, not a part of it.

• 1:09:54Travis Kelce?

  Whoa, okay, Mashika, alright.

• 1:09:56Speaker 04

  So Cam bought so many of the hats that he ended up, like, either buying the company or investing in the company. I don't know the exact specifics. Yeah, so I actually have a few. Some were gifted to me, one at Cam's Super Bowl party years ago in Atlanta.

• 1:10:09Travis Kelce?

  Epic.

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  There's a confident element to that. Answer your question, Cam, and I mean that in, like, the most loving and enduring way, because I've been very consistent in my messaging about Cam's impact on my career and our relationship and friendship. Like, I love Cam for who he is.

• 1:10:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  And, um, but he is who he is.

• 1:10:30Travis Kelce?

  Nice. Well, using a former teammate, fill in the blank. People forget that blank was a problem.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  That's a great question, right?

• 1:10:41Travis Kelce?

  Could be college, could be NFL.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  Ah, man, that's a great, I, I think back, you know, in, in college, in the NFL, I think of, like, a guy like Devin Hester, but I don't think people forgot that he's amazing. You know who I'm gonna say? Because I saw him last night, and I think he's a perfect answer for this, is Frank Gore.

• 1:10:56Travis Kelce?

  Nice, a very good answer.

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  Will Frank be in the Hall of Fame? I, I, maybe, I don't know. But I'll tell you what, anyone who's watched football, studied football, knows anything about football, he would be on a very short list of guys that probably has universal respect from every player, teammate, coach who's ever seen him. And I got to spend some time with him last night at the Miami game, and he was a teammate of mine for a couple of years in college. So, I'm gonna go with Frank, because some of the other stars that I've played with, Cam, and Luke Keakley, and Steve Smith, and Devin Hester, and Brian Urlacher, and Julius Peppers, and these Hall of Fame guys that I played with. I don't know, like people remember them. I don't think people appreciate how amazing Frank was.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  And so he's my answer.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  It's a great answer. I will say people definitely don't appreciate how much of a physical freaking specimen Julius Peppers is though. And his voice, like this dude, the way like Julius Peppers, yeah. Like it was like, what in the, this is like the predator is just on the field playing a football game right now. Like this is ridiculous.

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  No, but you know that meme online where like people say like for every like, and they like slowly make the guy's head bigger or like.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  Every time I saw Julius Peppers, he grew three inches.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  What's insane?

• 1:12:17Speaker 04

  Like I saw him early in my career when he was in Carolina and I was like, oh my God, this guy, he's like six, five. He's a freak. And then I played with him in Chicago and he, it felt like he was six, seven. And then I played with him again. He came back to Carolina and I feel like he was seven feet tall. Like every time I saw him, the biggest guy in the world got bigger.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. How is it possible?

• 1:12:39Travis Kelce?

  Insane.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  He's, he's insane.

• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  All right. Very important. Next question. It's Girl Scout cookie season officially. Top three. Go.

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  Thin mints.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  Love it.

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  Thin mint, thin mint.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  The mint, the mint.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  Clean sweep of thin mints.

• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm hammering, like I'm not even opening. I mean, if you give me any of the, what's the like, um,

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  like the real pop, the real like famous original one. It's like the cracker, like the white.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  I know what you're talking about.

• 1:13:10Speaker 04

  It's like the traditional, like safe one. People would like dip in their.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, like it's like a vanilla cookie. Yeah. Whatever that is called. I mean, if there's a box there, I'll eat the whole box. I'm not saying I'm too good for it. But I'm picking thin mint like a thousand out of a thousand.

• 1:13:25Speaker 03

  Thin mint is great, but there's something weird. Have you noticed that there's like different, there's like two different thin mints depending on which Girl Scout area you're in? Maybe I'm too neat and maybe I'm too deep in the weeds.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  There's like an Illuminati apparently of, of, of.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  Well, there's one, there's the one thin mint that almost has like a softer mint in the middle of it where it's like a.

• 1:13:52Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  But then there's the other one that's like a harder one. I like the hard one. Like, I don't know which one you're on.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  I don't, to be honest with you, I'm not sure if I even know the difference. But all I know is the whole sleeve is gone.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  Is in your mouth.

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  It's gone. It's gone.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were, we were tagalongs, Thin Mints, and then the, what was the coconut one?

• 1:14:12Travis Kelce?

  It was like a caramel, it was a caramel, like drizzle on top, dude. I'm not gonna lie, those things are crack. Those things got me hooked right now.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  They, they called them Samoas, but then I think the Samoas got canceled.

• 1:14:24Travis Kelce?

  Carmel delights. Carmel delights.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, there we go.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  I'll eat them all. I'm not too good for a cookie.

• 1:14:30Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I hear you, dude. I hear you, dude. Give me a glass of milk, let's fucking cook.

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:14:36Travis Kelce?

  Um, Bianca says, the guy who called Super Bowl 57, how sick of the Kelsey family were you on game day?

• 1:14:45Speaker 04

  Let me, let me, let me say this. That was a really cool week. As a guy who like has two brothers and grew up with them and like played together, fought with them, fought against each other, all that. Like, we got to sit down and do, I don't know if you guys remember, we sat down and did that cool piece for the pregame show.

• 1:15:02Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yes.

• 1:15:02Speaker 04

  Um, that was awesome, even though you guys made me late because you were filming this, uh, but it's fine, it was worth it. Um, that's when you first told me you were gonna have me on the show, and that was like three years ago, but it's fine. I changed, apparently I changed my number. It's the, it's the same place that my invite is.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  But anyway, no, man, I thought it was so cool, like, in, in all, in all seriousness, like, seeing you guys have all of that culminate to play each other, be so willing to like openly and share it with the world. Frap, you know, person, share it with me, which was cool. And then like your parents and your mom and your families, like, it's been cool to watch you guys have like your separate deal. And then like over time, bring you together and have like that moment. I think watching, like Jason, watching after the game, the emotions of like, yeah, my brother won, but everyone who has a brother, anyone who has a sibling, for that matter, knows the feeling of like, I want what's best for me, but if I don't get it, I'd rather you get it.

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Right. So like there's this weird, so like watching all of that play out on the world stage that week. Like, I thought it was awesome, man. And I think the way you guys have handled all of it and your relationship and your families and you have the second biggest podcast in the family, which is cool. I think is pretty, um, I think is pretty awesome. So no, I'm, if I was sick of the Kelseys, I wouldn't be sitting here for the last, I don't even know how long.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  Touche, touche.

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  You're the best.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  All right. What's the worst game you've ever called?

• 1:16:37Speaker 04

  Wow. Um, I've called some clunkers. Oh, man. I'm trying to remember off the top of my head. I called a really bad game this year. What was it? Oh, it was towards the end of the season. Oh, Minnesota, I want to say Minnesota went to Seattle.

• 1:16:55Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:56Speaker 04

  And JJ McCarthy got hurt the week before. So they started the rookie Brosmer. And again, I'm not knocking the kid because a lot of guys have looked bad going to Seattle.

• 1:17:07Speaker 04

  And I can't recall exactly off the top of my head, but I want to say Minnesota had like 50 yards the whole game. Maybe less. And it, by the second quarter, you're looking at my partner, Joe, we're just looking at each other like, I, I got nothing. I got nothing. I got nothing.

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  What are you, what are you doing in that situation? How do you like, how do you weather that and keep the excitement there? You just gotta.

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  The rule of thumb, and I don't think there's any like, again, by no means am I an expert. I haven't been doing this very long. But like, I think our rule of thumb is get to like halftime, up till halftime, regardless of what the score is. Make it about the game, make it about the teams, make it about the matchup, make it about the personalities and the whatever. Second half, when it's clearly it's 35, six, it's 35, nothing and it's over. You know, you start zooming out and you try to, you have all these things. You call it like a bucket, like we gotta empty the bucket. We got playoff standings. We've got coach of the year. We've got trends around the league. And you just turn into like a daytime radio show, right? And you're just, you just, sometimes it goes really off the rails and you start just talking about complete nonsense.

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  You know, you're kind of like blackout, you know, you're, you're, you're like Will Ferrell in, in, uh, old school. You're like, you don't even know what you just said.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  We're going streaking.

• 1:18:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. Those games are the toughest. That's like every broadcaster's worst nightmare is when they assign the games and it's like, you got a really good team and a really bad team. You're like, I'd rather call a game with two bad teams because all we want is competitive.

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:18:41Speaker 04

  So the games that get multi-score at the end and there's no drama, those are not typically the, the ones that you want to call.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  Makes sense.

• 1:18:50Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man. We got, uh, we got tight end U coming up this off season yet again. It's getting bigger and bigger, man. Last year was, uh, was one of my favorites. Um, I can't, I can't imagine how this thing's going to keep getting bigger, but, uh, just in terms of the guys, what new guys do you want to see at tight end U this year?

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. Good question. You know, I want to see, we were talking about the Rams, you know, we always get Colby Parkinson has had a great year, has made some big time plays.

• 1:19:16Travis Kelce?

  Carolina game.

• 1:19:17Speaker 04

  Made the game winning play against Carolina. Um, Terrence Ferguson's the young rookie. Um, I want to say he's from Oregon. He's super dynamic. He can run. He's downfield guy, kind of runs routes like a receiver. I'd love to get like, see him live and in person. I think, anyhow, we can all sit here and say it's because of TEU. It probably is. Let's be honest.

• 1:19:39Travis Kelce?

  Everyone heard my speech on, uh, Thomas Anderson. No, I'm kidding. No, it wasn't even Thomas Anderson. I can't even remember what it was.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  It was inertia. You're doing one of the, uh, Newton's laws.

• 1:19:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, you blocked out. That's the way it should be. You blocked out. But you know, it's just so cool. And I think that's what's been so cool about TEU, right? And I, and that's what I try to tell all these young guys. I try to encourage him to come. I'm like, guys, when are you ever at the front of the line going to have Travis and George and, and over the years, you know, Mark Andrews and like all these guys that had played for so long? And then at the back of the line, it's like the young, wide-eyed, undrafted free agent rookie who's never even seen an NFL field. And he's just so happy to be there. Like the fact that we have the top of the top, guys that haven't even started their journey yet, and for two and a half days, everyone's in the same bucket. You're all in the same drills. You're all in the same conversation. You're all at the same parties, you're all in the same bar, like you're all one in the same

• 1:20:31Speaker 04

  from a social, from a connection standpoint, from a fellowship, and then obviously from a football and the guys that you're able to pick their brains and how does Travis warm up? How does George run his routes? Like, what is he like in practice? Like watching guys, body language, watching guys work ethic, like it's just so unique. And then you look around the league and I would say the talent is as widespread and as deep as it's ever been. And I think that's so good for the league. It's so good, obviously selfishly for the position and the fact that TEU gets to play like a small little role and like elevating the position across the league. I know, you know, you, you, George and I, we all take a lot of pride in it, but I think the entire position does. Yeah.

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, you guys should. I mean, listen, I give, I give George a lot of crap and like National Tight End Day, I'm tired of made up holidays, but like since all seriousness, like it is crazy to think of what tight ends are in the modern day NFL and how important they are, like all of the best offenses utilize these tight ends that can be hybrid blockers, they can go out and be a mismatch out at the receiver position. You can spread them out like it, all of the best offensive minds want these guys because they offer so many different things you can do formationally, schematically, mismatching, depending on what personnel the defense throws on the field. And it feels like Titan U has given this position a platform that it never really had before.

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  And I know that was an initial reason that you guys all started this was, hey, we need to start like coming together for all tight ends. Like we aren't respected enough. We don't earn the money that a lot of these other star positions do, and we should because we're as valuable as that. How have you seen the position change on the national scale with Titan U?

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I think Ted and you certainly played a part of it. I, I do think the biggest difference between tight end, when I came in the league in 07 and the way it is now, right? So we're talking almost 20 years. I think the biggest difference was tight end was always seen as like The blue collar, the unsung hero, right? There, there were stars. Jason Witten was a star. Antonio Gates was a star. Tony Gonzalez was a star. Shannon Sharp, I was like right on the tail end. So there was prominent players, but they weren't the face of the league, right? They were, they were great players and Hall of Fame players, but they weren't the stars. It was a quarterback driven league. It was a running back driven league and wide receivers.

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  And then there was like a handful of prominent defensive players, right? Brian Urlacher and Troy Palamalu and those guys, right? So you fast forward to now, and again, I'm not just saying this because Travis is on the pod. I'm not just like, I'm not just saying it because he's my buddy and George and Gronk, like the position of tight end over my career started being played by the faces of the league. They weren't just really good players. They were stars. The league was building the brand around these individual guys with, with Gronk and with Trav and with George. And now instead of it all being all quarterbacks on, you know, the, the commercial for Sunday night football or the commercial for the Fox double header.

• 1:23:33Speaker 04

  It was always, which, who are the two quarterbacks? Plaster them up there. The commercials, the guys we saw, that's very different nowadays. So on top of just having elevated roles on their teams, playing in postseason games, winning Super Bowls, being the best player in the Super Bowl. Like having the platform of football to play well at the position and then just all the stuff that comes around it, the off the field, the elevating. I think all of that is like high tide raises all ships, right? So I think it's been a combination of on and off the field elevation. And, uh, you know, obviously Trav's at the forefront of that and he has been for, for years and Gronk and, and, uh, and, and obviously George.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  And it's, it's just a different time where it's okay for the tight end to be the star of your team, the star of the league. And it wasn't always like that. Um, but I give all these guys a lot of credit because they're really the, the tip of that spear.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Do you think that that's why we're maybe seeing some more divas at the tight end position than we've ever seen? Is that fair to say?

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Divas, podcast, podcast hosts. Um, yeah, I think that's part of it for sure.

• 1:24:40Speaker 04

  I think that's part of it for sure.

• 1:24:41Travis Kelce?

  We got a young man cooking over there in Chicago, man. Colston Loveland came out hot and in hard knocks.

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  If I was these NFL teams between Colston Ludland, between Aiden Hutchinson, right, like they should make every guy at the combine do like a stand up rookie song. Because right now, yeah, I was going on that. I was going on that angle. I was going like, like, if you can get up in the room, especially as like a 6'5" white guy and just crush it and just own the room, you have no choice to be really good. And all the boys are giving you high fives. You're instantly the man. Like, there is no greater feeling than walking out of that team meeting where you're like, I just own that.

• 1:25:26Speaker 03

  I mean, if anybody knows, if anybody knows, you know, Craig, you might have started this whole thing.

• 1:25:32Speaker 04

  I, yeah, good and bad, good and bad, good and bad. Uh, let's just say my rookie, my rookie show was better. Uh, my, my post-college days were better.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 1:25:45Speaker 04

  And my weddings, and my weddings.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  That's the way it's supposed to be. They're supposed to get better.

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  They got way better. Decision making improved. We'll leave it at that.

• 1:25:53Travis Kelce?

  I love it. All right. Well, this is a, we'll, we'll move it to our last question for you, G Ragman. Uh, what was your welcome to the NFL moment?

• 1:26:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, and it's ironic because I, I work with them now, you know, indirectly at Fox, but, uh, we had a home game, my rookie year in 07, and we had like a critical short yardage. It was like either third or fourth down, short yardage field, short yardage, um, play at Soldier Field. I'm the Y. My hands in the dirt. We're running, I don't know, power, whatever, inside. And Michael Strahan is playing like a, I don't know if he was in a four point stance, but it felt like he was like an eight point stance. And he was playing, he was playing six technique, right? So he was like on my head, but he, the worst. And like you go too far inside and he just caves you down. You stay on his outside shoulder and he just presses you back. So I

• 1:26:46Speaker 04

  come off hard inside step and I'm like, I'm gonna bring everything I got. Everything I got. I'm bringing it. Well, he like two gaps me. He locks me out, presses me, heading the hole. He takes me into the fullback, into the backside pulling guard.

• 1:27:04Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 1:27:05Speaker 04

  And like, and I was like, I ran off the field.

• 1:27:09Speaker 03

  Swab the hole.

• 1:27:10Speaker 04

  And I'm, yeah, I'm like, guard, I don't care if you dislocate my elbow. You gotta swab this thing, brother.

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  You know, as you got older, like, I don't know about you, like, I mean, I guess both you guys, but like, you know, you're going and you kind of keep that inside arm out. You're like, hey, brother.

• 1:27:25Speaker 03

  There's somebody coming. Yeah, I don't want to get my elbow popped here.

• 1:27:28Speaker 04

  I don't need to hyper extend my elbow for three yards. If I'm gonna break my arm, at least let it be downfield.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  But I'll tell you what, man, I came off the field that day and I was like, all right.

• 1:27:44Speaker 03

  Lot.

• 1:27:45Speaker 04

  Well, that was different. That wasn't great. That wasn't great.

• 1:27:47Speaker 03

  What are we doing as a coach? That's what we're tiling up? That's the dumbest thing I've ever like, what are you doing?

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  Give the ball to Johnny. I'm Johnny.

• 1:27:57Speaker 04

  You can't put me at the tight end. I'm the tight end.

• 1:28:01Travis Kelce?

  Two little Giants references in one game or one day, man. It's the best, man.

• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm 21 years old. I'm like 245 pounds if I'm lucky.

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  I'm gonna run as fast as I can down the field and throw it.

• 1:28:16Travis Kelce?

  This is so good.

• 1:28:18Speaker 04

  We're gonna work into the other stuff.

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

• 1:28:21Travis Kelce?

  God damn, that's fucking good.

• 1:28:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, it wasn't great.

• 1:28:24Travis Kelce?

  Oh man, well, I could definitely say I've been there with you, brother.

• 1:28:26Speaker 04

  By no means was that the last time.

• 1:28:29Travis Kelce?

  That's it. It's just the intro of the NFL, baby.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  We gotta arc release this one, coach. Arc release.

• 1:28:36Speaker 04

  Coach, that safety, I'm gonna kill that guy.

• 1:28:38Travis Kelce?

  I'll go get that second level.

• 1:28:41Speaker 04

  Oh, that cracker plays safety, he's mine.

• 1:28:45Speaker 04

  And then it's Kam Chancellor and he just knocks your helmet off. You're like, this sucks. This sucks.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  This game is so stupid.

• 1:28:55Travis Kelce?

  Not only is that gonna be the game plan, we're gonna run that three times today.

• 1:28:59Speaker 04

  Oh my God. But hey, that's why they pay us the big bucks, right?

• 1:29:02Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, baby. That's the fun of it, man. Dude, it was everything I could have imagined and more, brother. Great. Thank you so much for fucking coming on today, man. Sorry it took so long. Appreciate you being patient. Keep fucking taking the world by storm on the broadcast. The middle school football, I can't wait to see or hear these, the bits that you guys do, the mic'd up bits you do on as a coach that you put on your, your Instagram or your social media, man. I gotta be one of your biggest fans in the world. I love you as a person, who you've been for me and my career, getting to meet you back at the, in Baltimore at the Ed Block Courage Awards.

• 1:29:43Travis Kelce?

  You were everything and more back then. You still are the, the best guy I know, man. So appreciate you coming on and I love you, brother.

• 1:29:49Speaker 04

  I appreciate you, man. You guys are the best and a lot of respect for you guys. Everything you've done, everything you guys stand for, having a ton of fun while also being good at what you do, man. It's awesome. And the pleasure was all mine. Thanks for having me.

• 1:30:00Travis Kelce?

  Let's go, baby.

• 1:30:02Speaker 04

  Hopefully we get together and have a couple Aperol spritzes this offseason.

• 1:30:05Travis Kelce?

  Oh, it's probably gonna come up in like two weeks, brother, to that even.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  Spritzing.

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  Let me know. I'll be around.

• 1:30:12Travis Kelce?

  All right. You're the man, dude.

• 1:30:13Speaker 04

  Appreciate you guys.

• 1:30:14Speaker 03

  All right. That does it for Mr. Greg Olsen. Did not disappoint. That's probably the best football insight you've ever gotten from the show. And it's all thanks to Mr. Greg Olsen.

• 1:30:23Travis Kelce?

  We're gonna have to tie him in next year to a contract because there's about 10 teams that are gonna hear this podcast and gonna offer him to be their, their head ball coach, man. That guy knows ball and he knows how to get, get the best out of people, man.

• 1:30:36Speaker 03

  You're right, lion. It's also just a fun ass time. It's rare that you find somebody that's that articulate, intelligent, but fun. It's hard to find those individuals and he somehow nails all of it.

• 1:30:47Travis Kelce?

  Doggone.

• 1:30:49Speaker 03

  How many traits can one guy have?

• 1:30:50Travis Kelce?

  Funny, smart.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  I bet if you zoom in on his nose, it looks just fine.

• 1:30:54Travis Kelce?

  Great head of hair.

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  Damn it.

• 1:30:56Travis Kelce?

  Tall, athletic.

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  Smart.

• 1:30:59Travis Kelce?

  Smart, great vocabulary.

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  Beautiful eyes.

• 1:31:02Travis Kelce?

  Fucking, he's married with a beautiful family.

• 1:31:06Speaker 03

  It's a blessed man.

• 1:31:07Travis Kelce?

  Good for Greg, man.

• 1:31:11Travis Kelce?

  One day.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  All right, let's get us some stamps for the week. Um, stamp of the week is brought to you by Adobe Acrobat Studio. I kind of want to give Greg the stamp of the week, uh, but.

• 1:31:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, Greg gets the stamp of the week.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  Let me see this clip of the equipment guy never letting Stafford's jacket hit the ground. The Rams are on it with the jackets out in the middle of the field. I feel like that was too much. And where are you at with getting jackets put over your shoulders in the middle of the game on the field?

• 1:31:39Travis Kelce?

  They were in sync right here. I'm not a big jacket guy.

• 1:31:43Speaker 03

  Like, what is that doing? Like, there's no way you're gaining that much heat from throwing a.

• 1:31:48Travis Kelce?

  It's not heat, it's just keeping the wind off you, I think.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  I got you, but guys, I mean, come on.

• 1:31:54Travis Kelce?

  I'm not a, I'm not a hand warmer guy. I'm not a.

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  I did the hand warmer. I would put a towel in it if it was like wet out so that I could keep my hand dry.

• 1:32:04Travis Kelce?

  I hear you on that. I think when I was younger, I did it and I didn't love it. And I felt like it was like the more that I wear, the less like free I felt. It felt like I was kind of like in a stray jacket when I wore a lot of layers. So I just eat the fact that I'm just going to be cold as fuck for four hours and I'll be fine no matter what. Uh, I don't, I haven't like noticed that it's going to like make me stiffer and like the cold is going to make me less athletic. Like when you start running and your body gets warmed up, like it's, we're outside playing football. Like I'm not going to be stiff that way. I feel like the more layers I had on, that was restricting me more than like if I'm just cold as balls.

• 1:32:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100% agree. All right, I'm going to say this, although I'm against the coats in the middle of the game, I will say when it is a weather game, equipment managers matter more. People don't understand this, like equipment people actually end up playing an impact in the game. How well they articulate to the players, like changing your cleats. Uh, I know my man Greg is on top of it with the Eagles most of the time. He is meticulous about telling guys, hey, it's slick out there, yada, yada, yada. But also like the balls, like whoever's in charge of getting the balls ready for game day. When the weather's good, like it doesn't, it's not that important. Really shows up when you got a little bit of rain or snow. If that ball hasn't been broken in properly, it just gets slick. It doesn't feel right.

• 1:33:28Travis Kelce?

  Half of it is just being prepared for the situation. Like I know my guy Allen Wright, shout out to Allen Wright. Uh, over in Kansas City, uh, just got inducted to, I believe the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame, uh, for, I think he's been doing this with the, with the Chiefs for maybe 40 years, 50 years, something crazy like that. He's still doing it. It's being prepared for all the elements.

• 1:33:51Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 1:33:51Travis Kelce?

  It's having, it's having the, and, and it's kind of like putting your own twist on things like, how can you be creative to help guys always be at their best in the elements, um, and always have something available for them. Uh, I think is, is the cool thing. Like I know the deep diving suits with the scuba suits were, became a thing. You know, it's just like, but it's like, as, as things are like coming up or, or as things are kind of becoming a trend and things like that, having all that shit ready. Knowing what to order before the season for your specific players on how they like to be ready for it. Um, it's just, it's always different, man.

• 1:34:27Speaker 03

  But it, and it becomes magnified when it's colder or the rain or the snow. Like it really does make a competitive advantage for your players. And it, that's one of the things I always loved was like the fact that like the equipment guys have put in the extra time. I gotta give a quick shout out to my equipment, uh, guy, uh, Craig Blake. I know, I don't know if you're watching, but let me tell you, I'm going to that shower. And Craig will be scrubbing them balls and he'd be getting them right. And I'm telling you, he'd be in the shower. I'd be going in there showering. I feel a little bit weird that I'm naked showering next to Craig and Craig's trying to get the balls right for game day. And he's just scrubbing away at these balls.

• 1:35:03Travis Kelce?

  Can we get, can we give the guy, you're scrubbing balls, he's scrubbing balls. Can we give him the, the chance to scrub some balls without you scrubbing your balls next to him?

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  I mean, listen, he's doing it in the shower. There's only, there's limited, especially in away game, there's limited, uh, shower space. Um, so yeah, I'm going to go equipment guy, although I'm not about the, uh, the jacket. I respect the dedication to the craft. Rams equipment guy, don't know your name. Uh, you get my stamp of the week.

• 1:35:27Travis Kelce?

  I'll give the fucking. Stab of the week to Kayshon Bootay. Did you see this fucking one handed catch for the Patriots?

• 1:35:35Speaker 03

  Did I see it? I was there.

• 1:35:37Travis Kelce?

  Sorry, I forgot you had a deja vu, Jason. Um, yeah, no, it was absolutely fucking insane. It, everybody that was watching the game, uh, with me, everybody jumped out of their fucking seats for, in this moment in the fourth quarter to go up two scores with a play like that, fucking A, man. That is a hell of a fucking play. And you're at home. Look at everybody going nuts in New England, man. New England's back in the fucking AFC Championship game.

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  What is this like thing where the, the guys put their hand over their face and do, is it like, they're saying the other guy's stinky?

• 1:36:08Travis Kelce?

  I'm not sure. I have no idea.

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  I've asked so many people and nobody knows.

• 1:36:13Travis Kelce?

  It's so fun.

• 1:36:14Speaker 03

  The only thing that makes sense in my head is like, oh, he's stanky. He just put that stank on it.

• 1:36:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I think maybe. I don't know.

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  That's the sleep. The sleep. Everybody knows the sleep.

• 1:36:23Travis Kelce?

  Peekaboo.

• 1:36:24Speaker 03

  They're doing high fives.

• 1:36:25Travis Kelce?

  Peekaboo.

• 1:36:25Speaker 03

  And then this is, this is the, the, the stanky. They're doing, putting the stank on it.

• 1:36:32Travis Kelce?

  If you're calling it that, uh, he definitely put the stank on that catch though. Shout out to Bootay, man. You get my stamp of the week.

• 1:36:37Speaker 03

  Way to go Bootay.

• 1:36:38Travis Kelce?

  That wraps up stamp of the week brought to you by Adobe Acrobat Studio.

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you so much to the one and only Greg Olson. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or in the Wondery app or wherever you get podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights right now at free by joining Wondery Plus, Voice of the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:37:02Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. The perfect combination of our favorite candies, Reese's Cups and Oreo Cookies. Doggone. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show for fun clips throughout the week. That's New Heights Show with one S. Thank you to our New Heights production team. Thank you again to you 92 percenters. Check out Kelsey's clubhouse and, uh, we'll see you guys after a little championship weekend.

• 1:37:29Speaker 03

  Peace. Yeehaw.

• 1:37:41Travis Kelce?

  Aw, man. Well, bud, you look fucking great. The saloon looks fantastic. Do you have assless chaps on?

• 1:37:47Speaker 03

  I don't. I actually have sweatpants on. The, the pants that they gave me, uh, don't fit my ass. So they're cutting the lining out right now to make sure that they fit. So right now I have sweatpants on. I'm a, I'm a half cowboy.