Jan Berry Sandlin | BONUS | Season 1

Burden of Guilt has been turned into a docuseries, now streaming only on Paramount+. Available to watch HERE! https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/burden-of-guilt/ And make sure to binge all episodes of the podcast that inspired the show before you watch! Jan Berry Sandlin talked with Nancy for the upcoming Burden of Guilt docuseries on Paramount Plus. Hear a portion of their conversation in this special bonus episode. You can stream, Burden of Guilt starting February 4th on Paramount Plus. If you would like to reach out to the Burden of Guilt Team, email us at [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:18Nancy Glass?

  Hi, I'm Nancy Glass. In the Burden of Guilt podcast, we shared the story of Tracy Raquel Burns, who, as a child, was told she was responsible for the death of her four-month-old brother, Matthew. You heard the lengths she went to in order to get the truth and in the process, get justice for Matthew. If you remember, after several twists and turns in the courtroom, it was Tracy Raquel's father, Jan, who was ultimately found guilty of killing baby Matthew. And while you didn't get to hear from Jan on the podcast, you will be able to see him and hear from him in the Burden of Guilt docu-series on Paramount Plus, premiering on February 4.

• 3:02Nancy Glass?

  Jan is currently serving time at a Florida prison. And when you see him, you will see how he's been affected by the ravages of time and time in prison. He did talk with me a handful of times, and he answered my questions. But I can't say the answers he gave me were truthful. In fact, there's plenty of evidence that the answers were outright lies. Here's a part of the conversation you will see on Burden of Guilt, the docu-series. How do you think the baby died? What do you think happened to him?

• 3:42Speaker 06

  I don't really know how to answer that question, because I don't know. I didn't know that this was going to end up being the way it ended up being. But I should have never, ever let Tracy be blamed. That goes without saying. I can't change that. I can't fix it. I can't correct it. The only thing I can assure you, Ms. Glass, is I didn't harm that little boy. I've done the time for a crime I didn't do. That's all that matters.

• 4:17Nancy Glass?

  You sound very sympathetic. But Kathy and Tracy Raquel both have talked about how you beat them and how you hurt them.

• 4:31Speaker 06

  Okay, one.

• 4:34Speaker 06

  I never put a hand to Tracy. That's an outright lie. I'll ignore you before I do that. You can't go anywhere in my history and find anything but other than somebody's mouth saying I did something. There's probably 25 other women out there that I that are still alive that I dated all through that time. Ask any of those girls if I ever put my hands on them, and I never did.

• 5:02Nancy Glass?

  What happened to Tracy Raquel on the day that Matthew died? Did she fall down a cement staircase, or was she pushed down a cement staircase?

• 5:14Speaker 06

  Where did this come from?

• 5:16Nancy Glass?

  Well, that day, she was taken to the pediatricians because she was bleeding out of her ears. And the story was that she fell down a concrete staircase.

• 5:29Speaker 06

  What? That's...I don't know. Whoever's been feeding you this bull crap, that's what this is. That's bull crap. That's a story that somebody just made up. And it sounds like someone with demented mind making this crap up.

• 5:45Nancy Glass?

  Well, Jim, there's documentation of it.

• 5:49Speaker 06

  But let's don't butt me none. Okay, let's don't butt me any. I'm trying to explain something to you, and you're coming to me with this bull crap from out of left field.

• 6:01Nancy Glass?

  Well, there's documentation, and there are medical records.

• 6:07Speaker 06

  Show me the documentation and show me the medical records of where that child was harmed in any shape, form, or fashion.

• 6:14Nancy Glass?

  What about Tracy Raquel saying that you put out a cigarette on her?

• 6:21Speaker 06

  Listen, Tracy came up with some of the... Doggone it, stories of it. That part about me putting Kathy in a closet, pouring a beer on her. You should have, somebody should have asked her, well, where's the, where's the burn mark?

• 6:39Nancy Glass?

  Well, she was a small child. I mean, there's a chance it healed.

• 6:44Speaker 06

  Listen, I'm not a sadistic person. I'm not a sick person. Yeah, I've made some mistakes in my life, but one of them is I've never murdered anyone. I've never raped anyone, and I've never harmed a woman, and I damn sure ain't never hurt a little folks. You can ask me why I didn't do this and why I didn't do that. And hell, I don't know why I didn't do some of the things that I didn't do, but I didn't do them. But that don't mean I hurt that little boy. And anybody that believes I did can kiss my backside.

• 7:23Nancy Glass?

  You can see and hear more of Jan in the complete three-part docu-series on Paramount Plus beginning February 4th.

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