The New Mitsubishi Pajero, Maserati's Death Spiral, and Lewis Hamilton's F40! THIS CAR POD! EP127

NEW MERCH! https://merch.carsandbids.com Have a question you want answered on the podcast next week? Ask HERE https://crsnbds.com/PODQUESTIONS Welcome to THIS CAR POD! Doug DeMuro & Friends offers weekly expert insight and opinion on breaking automotive stories, the car market, and audience Q&A. Thank you to our sponsors! Perplexity - Start your free trial of Perplexity Computer today at https://PPLX.ai/CARS and experience the next phase of AI. #adTire Rack - Discover the way tire buying should be at TireRack. Visit https://www. TireRack.com/DougDeMuro to find what’s right for you. Chapters: 00:00:00 INTRO/CARS NEWS 00:00:15 Doug's G-Wagen is FOR SALE! 00:02:43 New Mitsubishi Pajero 00:05:59 RAM Wagoneer 00:09:03 Porsche Octan 00:11:19 Maserati Isn't Selling Any Cars 00:16:27 Perplexity Computer 00:17:34 Genesis One of One 00:19:01 Range Rover ELECTRIC 00:22:03 Porsche 911 GT3 Bergsport 00:27:58 Doug's Ferrari Luce Theory 00:29:10 TireRack 00:30:11 TALK CARS 00:30:16 Filippo Apologizes to Canada 00:32:19 White Horse Car Culture 00:34:47 Lewis Hamilton's F40 00:36:49 Cadillac's F1 Team 00:39:41 Filippo Helped His Sister Buy a Rogue... 00:44:59 Doug's Supra Experience So Far 00:45:46 Doug's Vehicle Changes 00:49:00 Market Report 00:49:16 New Merch! 00:50:46 BMW 335is Wagon Conversion 00:54:06 Are NC Miatas on the Rise? 00:57:57 Live Auctions at Willow Springs 01:00:38 Questions! 01:01:48 XJ Jeep Cherokee Tangent 01:06:10 Normal Cars that have Become Enthusiast Cars? 01:10:26 What Car Features Have You Grown to Appreciate? 01:13:33 Ranking the BMW 7-Series Generations 01:19:13 Hoovie's Hooptie Lot 01:23:01 Will the Ferrari California Appreciate? 01:26:35 Was There Actually a Bird in the Office? 01:29:01 Tennis Tournament Cars Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  I'm Kenan.

• 1:09Speaker 05

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug, and there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the news. The biggest news is that the G-Wagon is for sale.

• 1:17Speaker 05

  That is true.

• 1:18Doug DeMuro?

  Are you sad about this?

• 1:21Speaker 04

  I'm sad as the defender. I was much more sad about that.

• 1:23Doug DeMuro?

  This is a big deal. I've had that car for 25,000 miles in like seven years. You don't care?

• 1:29Speaker 05

  Cars come, cars go.

• 1:30Doug DeMuro?

  Cars come, cars go. Kenan, you have any sense?

• 1:32Speaker 04

  I enjoyed it. We chased down an F40 in Newport Beach in that car. That's probably my favorite memory. You know, we did drive home, the top was flapping like crazy in the back, but other than that, really wonderful vehicle.

• 1:42Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, this is the end of the G Cabriolet in our lives.

• 1:48Doug DeMuro?

  This car predates both of you.

• 1:50Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:51Speaker 05

  That is true.

• 1:52Doug DeMuro?

  It's more or less true. You lived somewhere else when I bought it. I knew you, but you were a figment of our imaginations.

• 1:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:59Doug DeMuro?

  The G-Wagon was here, Noodle was in it.

• 2:01Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 2:02Doug DeMuro?

  And now it's all coming to an end.

• 2:04Speaker 05

  It's live right now.

• 2:05Doug DeMuro?

  Do you want to pay tribute to it in any way?

• 2:08Speaker 04

  I think I did.

• 2:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you want to say something maybe to memorialize its loss?

• 2:14Speaker 05

  I'm just sad that the parking sensors don't work.

• 2:16Doug DeMuro?

  They do work.

• 2:16Speaker 05

  I thought they didn't.

• 2:17Doug DeMuro?

  No, we spent a lot of money and time, and now they work 75% of the time.

• 2:21Speaker 05

  That's not bad.

• 2:21Doug DeMuro?

  When I got it, they worked zero, and I put like four grand into it, and now they work most of the time.

• 2:25Speaker 05

  Right. That's great.

• 2:26Doug DeMuro?

  And when you shift into reverse, it makes a special sound when they are working. And when you hear that sound, it's like, ah, this is gonna be a good backup.

• 2:35Doug DeMuro?

  I better do this parallel parking. I better take real care of here because when I go back to drive and then go back into reverse, they may not work again.

• 2:42Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:44Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, that's the end of the G Cabriolet. The sad part is we will never be able to replace this car. So if any of us ever want to have one of these ever again, it is walking out of our lives, never to return.

• 2:54Speaker 05

  How many carb'd ones are there to your knowledge?

• 2:56Doug DeMuro?

  11.

• 2:57Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:57Doug DeMuro?

  And a buddy of mine owns one, and he took it out of California.

• 2:59Speaker 05

  And so it's no longer a carb?

• 3:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, so 10. Maybe nine.

• 3:03Speaker 05

  And maybe nine after this ends.

• 3:04Doug DeMuro?

  And Kendall Jenner is one of them. There's, this is a rare situation, Kenan. I don't know if you want to maybe think about going in on this car.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  You know, if I wanted a convertible SUV, I'd probably consider a Wrangler. I think the G-Cab is a...

• 3:18Doug DeMuro?

  Well, maybe if you want to be like everybody else with the little rubber ducks in your windshield.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Well, you know, yeah, because you love that car so much, so much so that you're selling it then.

• 3:25Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I had 25,000 miles. You know, you ever put 25,000 miles on anything in your life?

• 3:30Speaker 04

  I put 105,000 miles on one of them.

• 3:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but all the other cars that you bought, you sold like six days later. This was a cherished member of my community. More cherished, I would say, than...

• 3:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'd say so too.

• 3:41Doug DeMuro?

  Than Filippo.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  It feels it.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  Only on certain days.

• 3:45Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, what's our actual first news story? The Mitsubishi Pajero...

• 3:48Speaker 05

  Yep, been revealed.

• 3:50Doug DeMuro?

  Has been revealed. It's heinous.

• 3:52Speaker 05

  It's not bad.

• 3:52Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's not. This picture, though, this angle is horrible, but I saw other angles and it was fine.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  It's better. It's based on the Triton, which is their world market pickup truck. Diesel engine, seven seats, body and frame, kind of ladder chassis. It is not yet known whether it will come to the US.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  No, let me answer that question for you. Carry the one.

• 4:12Speaker 05

  It might. They've implied previously that there will be a hybrid after the diesel, the hybrid might come to the US later on.

• 4:18Doug DeMuro?

  It's not coming.

• 4:19Speaker 05

  Almost certainly not coming.

• 4:20Doug DeMuro?

  If it's based on the Triton, it's not coming. Also, Mitsubishi exited this segment forever ago. They'd have to do so much marketing promotion to get people...

• 4:26Speaker 05

  But it's also the right car for the US market right now. Off-roaders are big, cars that look brawny and strong are in.

• 4:36Speaker 05

  It's gonna launch this year in Thailand first and then go to some other markets, Australia, other Asian markets.

• 4:41Doug DeMuro?

  It's the old, it's the old launch in Thailand strategy.

• 4:44Speaker 05

  It's an interesting decision, right?

• 4:45Speaker 04

  I think I heard Lee Iacocca talk about that one.

• 4:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they have the K car, the Dodge Aries. People don't know, the first market was suburban Bangkok. They gave it to the dealers in Bangkok and Chiang Mai before it went anywhere else.

• 4:57Speaker 05

  I want, the context is important, is that it's built in Thailand, and Mitsubishi's planned there.

• 5:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, like every Mitsubishi, it's built in Thailand. Except for Nick's dream mini-split. Anyway, I think this thing is cool as hell. It'd be cool to have it with a 5.6-liter V8, but I think those days are over.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  That exists. Called the Infiniti QX56.

• 5:17Doug DeMuro?

  We're close. That's not made with a V8 anymore.

• 5:19Speaker 05

  Well...

• 5:19Doug DeMuro?

  The days are over, dude.

• 5:20Speaker 05

  The QX56, which is not what it's called anymore, was.

• 5:22Doug DeMuro?

  The days when me and Kenan used to really appreciate things are over.

• 5:28Speaker 05

  Just go by it. We just stopped appreciating. Use our Mata.

• 5:31Doug DeMuro?

  There's no more V8s.

• 5:32Speaker 05

  Looks like...

• 5:32Speaker 04

  Well, that's true.

• 5:33Doug DeMuro?

  They're gone. AMG's got one. They're gone.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  They're gone.

• 5:37Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche...

• 5:37Speaker 04

  Every American manufacturer has a V8.

• 5:41Doug DeMuro?

  You know, Porsche and Mercedes-Benz both have an Audi Volkswagen, have one 4.0 liter twin-turbo V8. Do we think it's the same engine?

• 5:48Speaker 05

  There are questions.

• 5:49Doug DeMuro?

  Have you ever torn one down?

• 5:50Speaker 05

  There are theories.

• 5:51Doug DeMuro?

  Have you ever gone in with a Boriscope? Okay, anyway, Mitsubishi Montero, we hope, we hope and dream that it will come. Thankfully, it is obscenely powerful. It has a 2.4-liter turbo diesel four-cylinder with 201 horsepower.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  That is obscene.

• 6:07Doug DeMuro?

  So I have no, I think this is gonna be a smash hit in any market it's sold in.

• 6:11Speaker 05

  It will be really popular in a lot of Asian markets.

• 6:14Doug DeMuro?

  You know, you say that, but the last Pajero slash Montero, like, went away. Like, it was canceled due to slow sales.

• 6:20Speaker 05

  Well, because it had been redesigned since 2002.

• 6:22Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, that's wrong. There was a second gen.

• 6:24Speaker 05

  I know there was, but...

• 6:25Doug DeMuro?

  People don't realize this.

• 6:26Speaker 05

  I'm not that wrong, you know?

• 6:28Doug DeMuro?

  It looked a lot, it looked like a facelift, but there was a, there was a generation after the 2002 version that came out in 2006.

• 6:35Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 6:36Doug DeMuro?

  So, that's not that long of a run.

• 6:38Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 6:39Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's actually like the fourth generation. The second gen is, I meant there was a second generation after the 2002 body. But type in, oh, yeah, this, this bad boy. Look at this. Yeah, this. You see these in Mexico. You see these in Mexico.

• 6:50Speaker 05

  It looks brand new and competitive.

• 6:56Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next news story, please. Do we have anything else?

• 6:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, all right. Speaking of SUVs, the Jeep Grand Wagoneer is gonna be badged as a Ram. Yeah, that's pretty much the story. So the Grand Wagoneer is based on the Ram chassis.

• 7:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Speaker 05

  And now Ram will, apparently, based on rumors, will have an SUV that's also based on the Grand Wagoneer.

• 7:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, the Chevy Tahoe is based on the Silverado, the Expedition is based on the pickup truck. They decided to base a Jeep on it, but the Ram brand is strong.

• 7:24Speaker 05

  Yep, it's gonna be built alongside it, same factory that builds the Rams and the Grand Wagoneers.

• 7:29Doug DeMuro?

  I think putting some Ram styling into a Grand Wagoneer isn't the worst idea.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  It'll look good. And the, the theory is that they can use a lot of the trim names that people are familiar with from Rams to go both low market and high market.

• 7:41Doug DeMuro?

  Such as, for example, Limited.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  And Laramie.

• 7:44Doug DeMuro?

  So now, they got people, they got people already in the, it's like if you have an Apple versus an Android. Once, once you're in the space of Ram where you know the trim Limited, you can't go to a different brand.

• 7:54Speaker 05

  It is notable because nobody understands the Wagoneer versus the Grand Wagoneer versus trims within that placement.

• 8:00Doug DeMuro?

  You know what, you know what they screwed up there?

• 8:02Speaker 05

  Everything.

• 8:03Doug DeMuro?

  It hit me this summer because they're everywhere. Calling, the Grand Wagoneer is not the long wheelbase.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  No.

• 8:09Doug DeMuro?

  But there is a long wheelbase.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  There's the Wagoneer L and the Grand Wagoneer L.

• 8:12Doug DeMuro?

  So you can have a Wagoneer big, but not a grand. Do you know what I mean?

• 8:17Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 8:17Doug DeMuro?

  Whereas the Cherokee and the Grand Cherokee, that means small and big.

• 8:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:21Doug DeMuro?

  But in the Wagoneer, it's Wagoneer...

• 8:23Speaker 05

  To be, to their credit, initially it didn't.

• 8:26Doug DeMuro?

  Initially, it always did. The Cherokee and the Grand Cherokee.

• 8:28Speaker 05

  I thought the Grand Cherokee for briefly was a trim.

• 8:30Doug DeMuro?

  The Grand, no, the, the Cherokee, when it came out, had a Wagoneer trim.

• 8:35Speaker 05

  That's what I'm thinking of, yeah.

• 8:36Doug DeMuro?

  But it was called, it was called the Briarwood.

• 8:38Speaker 05

  Right.

• 8:39Doug DeMuro?

  93.

• 8:40Speaker 05

  A lot of manufacturers did weird things with their naming. For example, the Tahoe and Suburban, like, Suburban was a trim of the...

• 8:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  That was indifferent.

• 8:48Doug DeMuro?

  I guess my point is that the screwing up of it came when Wagoneer, they have Cherokee and Grand Cherokee, small and big, but they have Wagoneer and Wagoneer L.

• 8:55Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 8:56Doug DeMuro?

  Small and big. And Grand Wagoneer was actually the same size as the regular Wagoneer. Now, they also have Grand Cherokee L, which is big also, which is even more competitive.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  And Wagoneer S, which is electric.

• 9:04Doug DeMuro?

  I don't like any of this.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  I don't know. I can't understand a word you guys have said this entire...

• 9:09Speaker 05

  The Wagoneer S, which doesn't look like any other Wagoneer, is the fastest Jeep ever made.

• 9:13Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, but, but, the wagon, the Grand Wagoneer has the 6.4 for my Wrangler 392.

• 9:19Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 9:19Speaker 04

  Right, hell yeah.

• 9:20Doug DeMuro?

  There will be...

• 9:20Speaker 05

  Almost certainly a Ram version of the Grand Wagoneer. It will look like that.

• 9:24Doug DeMuro?

  You know what hit me? I'm six months away from buying...

• 9:26Speaker 05

  At some point, one of these probably will, yeah.

• 9:28Doug DeMuro?

  I'm six months away from buying this Wrangler 392. How am I gonna select which one to buy?

• 9:34Speaker 05

  I'm sorry?

• 9:35Doug DeMuro?

  I think that the dealerships who want to sell me a Wrangler 392, Jeep has the highest day supply in the industry.

• 9:39Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  I think that the dealerships who want to, who want to sell me one should write into Sean, S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com, and plead their case.

• 9:46Speaker 05

  But like six months from now.

• 9:47Doug DeMuro?

  Six months from now.

• 9:48Speaker 05

  Although some of those same cars will still be on the lot.

• 9:50Doug DeMuro?

  They will all still be on the lot.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Draft the email, schedule it out six months.

• 9:53Doug DeMuro?

  If you can get me down to a number that starts with a 6, send Sean an email right now. Okay, that's the Ram Wagoneer.

• 10:01Speaker 05

  Yep, Ram Charger. All right. This looks like a Q5, but it's not. It is the Porsche Octane model, which is what they're calling maybe the Macan internal combustion engine replacement.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  What words do they mash up for that?

• 10:15Speaker 05

  Octane, Octane without an E.

• 10:17Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question? Wasn't Octane the name of the fictional gasoline company in Lego?

• 10:23Speaker 05

  Or in one of the...

• 10:24Doug DeMuro?

  Type in Octane Gas. I think it was Lego's, and by the way, I love that they're calling it Octane because it's like gas, gasoline.

• 10:31Speaker 05

  Octane Gas Station Lego.

• 10:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yes. Yes, this. I had this set or something similar as a child. This set. I had this set as a child. So they are naming it after...

• 10:41Speaker 05

  Maybe. There's one report that they have, are throwing that around as an actual name for what the Macan will be called in the next, next generation. It could also just be their internal naming that it will still be branded as Macan. We don't know.

• 10:55Doug DeMuro?

  You could go buy that. Go to that last one. You could go buy this today, missing only one mini-figure. Only one mini-figure. Or you could buy the Porsche.

• 11:04Speaker 05

  You can't buy the Porsche yet.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  I know which one will retain value.

• 11:06Doug DeMuro?

  I had this set as a child.

• 11:08Speaker 05

  Is yours also missing one mini-figure?

• 11:10Doug DeMuro?

  Probably my mom's selling it.

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• 11:21Speaker 01

  My boss asked for results, so I opened my dashboard for the only positive sounding metric I had: impressions.

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• 11:43Speaker 04

  It's that.

• 11:44Speaker 05

  It is based on a Q5, as you would expect, but they are promising. There's a bunch of changes, wider track, some performance handling changes. Clearly Porsche has realized they need to make a non-EV Macan. The Macan is quite long in the tooth. There's only been one generation ever. Time for a second generation.

• 12:01Doug DeMuro?

  Like the Montero.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 12:02Doug DeMuro?

  Honestly.

• 12:02Speaker 04

  Honestly.

• 12:03Speaker 05

  Are you... Octane, maybe.

• 12:05Doug DeMuro?

  Are you a buyer?

• 12:08Speaker 05

  I've never been a buyer of a new car, period. So I doubt it, but maybe.

• 12:11Doug DeMuro?

  You don't think so? Not even an Acura ADX?

• 12:14Speaker 05

  Certainly not an Acura ADX.

• 12:15Doug DeMuro?

  At what number would you buy an ADX?

• 12:17Speaker 05

  Not interested.

• 12:18Doug DeMuro?

  No? At 50 bucks?

• 12:19Speaker 05

  MDX Type S, I am interested. That's the right number.

• 12:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but okay. And give me an ADX number that you would throw your hat into the ring.

• 12:26Speaker 05

  I'm good. I don't want the hassle.

• 12:29Doug DeMuro?

  Someone in here in the apartment building has one. Did you see it?

• 12:31Speaker 05

  They're around.

• 12:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Okay, Porsche gas economy knew was coming. Very exciting.

• 12:36Speaker 05

  Octane, maybe.

• 12:38Doug DeMuro?

  Named after the Lego gas station.

• 12:39Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 12:39Doug DeMuro?

  Give us our next news story, Kenan, please.

• 12:41Speaker 05

  Do they have the rights, you think?

• 12:42Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, they had to buy them from Lego.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  And Lego was... I'm sure they loved getting that little one.

• 12:49Doug DeMuro?

  Can I give them the news story, Kenan? Is that okay?

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Please.

• 12:51Speaker 05

  All right. This is a rumor, unsubstantiated, coming from one single person on a podcast.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  Which is well researched.

• 12:57Doug DeMuro?

  This rumor, this rumor is that Maserati hasn't sold any cars at any of the dealers.

• 13:02Speaker 05

  So there are 86 US dealers.

• 13:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:04Speaker 05

  Apparently, per this person, 60 of them did not sell a single car in July.

• 13:09Doug DeMuro?

  Now, two things. Number one, the person here is car dealership guy on Twitter.

• 13:13Speaker 05

  It's a person from...

• 13:13Doug DeMuro?

  Who is the least reliable source in history, okay? Number one. Number two, it's believable.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  100% plausible.

• 13:23Doug DeMuro?

  You know what hit me, though, is crazy? Maserati has 86 dealers? What? How the hell did that happen? They should have 25. How did they end up with 86 dealers?

• 13:33Speaker 05

  They won't for long.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  Because there weren't that many Ferrari dealers. They used to be next to one another, and that would have made sense for a lot of them, but...

• 13:39Doug DeMuro?

  Probably, they must have made some promise to Chrysler dealers that if you took a Fiat franchise, you would be given a Maserati franchise. But the result of that is 86 dealers is truly three times as many as this brand needs. Porsche only has 200.

• 13:51Speaker 05

  There are 12 in Florida.

• 13:53Doug DeMuro?

  Well...

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Porsche only has 200 for the world.

• 13:56Doug DeMuro?

  For the United States.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Oh, for the United States.

• 13:58Doug DeMuro?

  So, and Maserati has 86 for the United States. And it's Maserati. They haven't had a new product since... Since... Since Filippo's birth.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  Just think about those poor dealers. First they had Fiat dealerships.

• 14:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  And now they only sell the Topolino and the 500e.

• 14:10Doug DeMuro?

  The good news though is...

• 14:11Speaker 05

  And then they had Alfa Romeo dealerships, which currently sell the Tonale.

• 14:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, but Filippo, what you're not saying is they also have the Wagoneer, the Wagoneer L.

• 14:18Speaker 05

  Not all Wagoneer.

• 14:18Doug DeMuro?

  The Grand Wagoneer L, the Wagoneer S, the Grand Cherokee, the Grand Cherokee L, and the Cherokee.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  There are standalone ones.

• 14:23Doug DeMuro?

  There's only two products, by the way.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  There are standalone Maserati Fiat dealers. The San Diego one closed.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Oh, that's right, it did close.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  They actually sell some used cars.

• 14:33Doug DeMuro?

  There cannot be standalone Maserati. They must still be associated with a Chrysler dealer in some way.

• 14:37Speaker 05

  Not all of them.

• 14:38Doug DeMuro?

  They weren't giving away standalone franchises. It's franchises that built a standalone location.

• 14:42Speaker 05

  I think they would have been willing to.

• 14:44Doug DeMuro?

  There's no way.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  But it is very plausible, if this is true.

• 14:47Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Maserati is Cincinnati here.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Which, very busy, based on the number of empty parking spots that are out there.

• 14:52Doug DeMuro?

  Their sole job is to provide corporate loaner vehicles when the Cincinnati Open Tennis Tournament comes to town. They give gracolli's to the top seeded players.

• 15:02Speaker 05

  I forgot about the gracolli.

• 15:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think that's still on sale.

• 15:05Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  I think it is.

• 15:06Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Maserati's in trouble. Filippo, what are we gonna do? This is a storied brand with incredible history. There was the Birdcage, there was the Bitterbo. What are we gonna do?

• 15:16Speaker 04

  Well, that movie's coming out.

• 15:17Speaker 05

  Bitterbo, I like.

• 15:18Speaker 04

  The brothers. I don't know.

• 15:19Doug DeMuro?

  The brothers.

• 15:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Maserati brothers. There's a movie coming out all about this, but I think that...

• 15:23Speaker 05

  I only know the Chrysler brothers.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Manual...

• 15:25Speaker 05

  And the Dodge brothers. They had a commercial during the Super Bowl.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  You know, I was thinking about this, because we've said the same thing about Aston Martin, but at Car Week, Aston was killing it.

• 15:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, they got the Valhalla now.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, and the Valhalla was everywhere. I do think that they maybe told their owners, like, hey, we'll give you, we'll ship your cars for you if you're gonna be there.

• 15:41Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see any Valkyries?

• 15:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I saw a couple. Which, it's Car Week. It's the only place where you could say that in a blasé fashion, but it's true.

• 15:48Speaker 05

  That and that track in New York where they're all being serviced.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  Right. But if Maserati did something like that, it seems to be working for Aston. And Maserati, it's like, they have some stigma they gotta wash off of themselves. But if they were to start building cars like the Valhalla, I don't know. Because I was surprised that that car is only, it's just south of a million dollars is what it costs. Most of them are like 1.1, 1.2. But for what it looks like, that looks like a 4, 5 million dollar car.

• 16:12Speaker 05

  To a Maserati dealership and cross-shop that next to your $30,000, $400 a month gracolli.

• 16:16Doug DeMuro?

  Well, an MC20...

• 16:17Speaker 04

  You gotta do it with that.

• 16:18Doug DeMuro?

  The MC20, they do build, and it hasn't been a runaway success. Yeah, McPura.

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, but that's like a Ferrari 296 compared. This is like a serious, like, supercar.

• 16:28Doug DeMuro?

  But I guess my point is, they are trying to build like a real sports car, and it's not going so great. They need to do a manual. You know what they need to do?

• 16:35Speaker 04

  Well, that with a manual, McPura with a manual.

• 16:37Doug DeMuro?

  Here's an idea. Manual transmission, center seat, manual transmission, fan on the back, Cosworth V12.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  I'll tell you what, you take away the fan on the back and you make it look like a car you made 20 years ago.

• 16:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh!

• 16:50Speaker 04

  And don't get sued.

• 16:50Doug DeMuro?

  The problem is, Maserati can't do that. Because if they try to make their car look like something they made 20 years ago, it's not gonna be pretty.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Well, they kind of already do.

• 16:58Doug DeMuro?

  They do. They do. The grid tourism is still... Yeah, no fan and it looks like it probably made 20 years ago. Basically Gordon Murray.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  I would never level such slander at Gordon Murray. No, I think that an MC12 is what they need. Something like that's really high-end.

• 17:14Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they made 50 and they all sold.

• 17:16Speaker 04

  They did. That was a Molly Jackson special, that guy.

• 17:19Doug DeMuro?

  That was the coolest car in the world.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did a video recently about like alternatives, like Ferrari, an alternative to it that is cooler. And I think that compared to the Enzo, the Enzo's very cool. Man, an MC12.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  It'd be super cool.

• 17:30Doug DeMuro?

  First off, I'd manual swap.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Short one or long one?

• 17:32Doug DeMuro?

  I would want a shorty, kind of like Filippo. And I would manual swap it. And I would never speak to either of you ever again.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Wouldn't blame you. I would take pictures. I wouldn't even wave to you as you went by. Take pictures of him and be like, wow, so above us.

• 17:48Speaker 05

  Would you speak to the G500 Cabriolet?

• 17:50Doug DeMuro?

  Would I speak to it?

• 17:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:52Doug DeMuro?

  No, only to say goodbye.

• 17:54Speaker 05

  I'm glad that I'm like equal with that.

• 17:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 05

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• 17:56Doug DeMuro?

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• 19:04Doug DeMuro?

  All right, give us our next news story, please. No MC12. Oh, Genesis.

• 19:07Speaker 05

  101. So Genesis is launching in the US their 101 customization program.

• 19:12Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's gonna be a huge one.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  It has been around in the Middle East and also South Korea with some very questionable stylistic decisions.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  Well, they listened to the Coca, tested it, and now they're working.

• 19:21Speaker 05

  It's coming to the US, so if you want to customize your Genesis with different colors and interior finishes, you now can.

• 19:30Doug DeMuro?

  All right, no one's gonna do that, but I do have good news for you.

• 19:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:32Doug DeMuro?

  A GV60 Magma is coming into our lives.

• 19:36Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm excited about this.

• 19:37Doug DeMuro?

  A GV60 Magma is coming into our lives.

• 19:39Speaker 05

  I've yet to see one, obviously.

• 19:40Doug DeMuro?

  Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.

• 19:44Speaker 05

  Friday?

• 19:45Doug DeMuro?

  I can't promise you anything.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  Call me. Kids move on from justice.

• 19:51Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you this, though. You'll be able to set up the facial recogni- If it's not that color, I don't want to-

• 19:57Speaker 05

  Right.

• 19:58Doug DeMuro?

  But you'll be able to set up the facial recognition.

• 20:00Speaker 05

  You'll let me?

• 20:01Doug DeMuro?

  I'll let you.

• 20:01Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm honored.

• 20:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 20:03Speaker 05

  Does the GV60 have that rotating just not thing?

• 20:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, I think it's the only car that has it.

• 20:07Speaker 05

  I can't remember if the 70 did or not.

• 20:09Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, this is big news.

• 20:11Speaker 05

  The back one's cool.

• 20:12Doug DeMuro?

  And you'll be able to personalize it in the one of one program.

• 20:15Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 20:16Doug DeMuro?

  So when you go to sell your GV60 Magna in 10 years, this is a one of one GV60 Magna.

• 20:22Speaker 04

  When it ends up on Cars and Bids, the subtitle will read "one of one."

• 20:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. The wheels are three shades darker gray than the other ones.

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Get bent.

• 20:31Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, give us another one. We don't have a lot of good news. All right, this is a, this is a big news story.

• 20:36Speaker 05

  This is the Range Rover EV.

• 20:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 05

  It has been revealed, has something like 330 miles of range in the US cycles. Uh, it's like 20 grand more than a regular Range Rover. And it looks pretty much identical to every other Range Rover. The grille is a little different, the wheels are different. Apparently the underbody panels have been reshaped to be more aerodynamic. Uh, but the 350 kilowatt architecture, 330 miles of range is pretty strong, actually. More than the G580 with EQ technology has, if memory serves. Uh, I have no idea if there's demand for this whatsoever.

• 21:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I would actually take it back to the G580 with EQ technology because when that came out, this is one of the, this is-

• 21:15Speaker 05

  I really thought it would be okay.

• 21:16Doug DeMuro?

  I don't want to say this is like, I'm like some industry prognosticator, but I didn't, I, that's one of the cars that I've gotten the most wrong. I assumed that because it looked identical and was kind of cheaper, that it would actually be a pretty big hit.

• 21:28Speaker 05

  Same.

• 21:28Doug DeMuro?

  Like, it's an EV, how hard could it be? And even that didn't sell, and so I have to assume this is going to meet the same fate. Like, it'll be fine, but it'll be like the discounted Range Rover. Like, if a, if, if a guy comes in and wants a full size and they have no gas cars on the lot, they kind of try to steer him to this one because it's available. Which is crazy.

• 21:46Speaker 05

  Their most powerful one, actually, that's the same power as their plug-in hybrid.

• 21:50Doug DeMuro?

  That's also true of the EQ technology. The EQ technology G, I don't know the numbers, but the 0 to 60 was like the same as the G63.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:56Doug DeMuro?

  But it still doesn't seem to like move the needle much for people, so.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  It's not about performance in that case.

• 22:01Speaker 05

  Although, for the, in this case, the G is like all about kind of like burbulousness to some extent, and like you want to like be loud-ish. The Range Rover, nobody's buying it for that purpose.

• 22:10Doug DeMuro?

  But isn't the G all about, isn't the only thing we really care if you have a G-Wagon is showing off?

• 22:15Speaker 05

  Right, but you, you, you need the noise.

• 22:17Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know if that really matters that much. The regular G's, the regular G's don't have a lot of noise, and people still buy them to show off that they're rich.

• 22:23Speaker 05

  Also, they're all six cylinders now. The, the G is two as is the Range Rover, maybe that changes things.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  But like, people were buying like the supercharged ones, wanted the supercharged Range Rovers back in the day. They wanted the sound. It wasn't just about the performance, I don't think. Although, it is odd because the Range Rover is so much more of an execution on luxury that actually not having an engine is probably better.

• 22:40Doug DeMuro?

  It might be better, but I just have a suspicion that it's, it's not going to be like some massive smash hit.

• 22:45Speaker 05

  It's also an EQG. 96 more miles of range than the EQ technology has.

• 22:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Nope, but everyone with one of these cars- But no one with one of these cars is driving long distances or parking at night anywhere other than their home.

• 22:56Speaker 05

  Right, so they could actually convert some buyers.

• 22:59Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I just think, I just think people aren't going to participate.

• 23:01Speaker 05

  I have that same concern. I suspect they had to come out with something.

• 23:05Doug DeMuro?

  I'm also a little surprised because this manufacturer is supply constrained on this car, I presume, even still.

• 23:10Speaker 05

  I don't want to say that's true anymore.

• 23:10Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe not, but they're like, they're not, it's not like it's Jeep where, where dealers are scrambling to email Sean, offering us a Wrangler 392 for 56. Like, they're selling these cars.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  Fundamentally, they need it for Europe. I suspect they truly need it for the European market at this point, uh, including for some requirements. Uh, bringing it to the US can't be that complicated.

• 23:30Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of things needed for Europe.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, great transition there. I really like that. So we do have a little bit of Porsche news that I don't want to belabor this one because-

• 23:40Speaker 05

  Not a Porsche podcast, Ken.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  Right, Filippo's shirt says, quote, "Not another Porsche podcast."

• 23:45Doug DeMuro?

  So I'm not talking about Porsche.

• 23:46Speaker 05

  You did already.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  He already mentioned a Porsche.

• 23:48Doug DeMuro?

  The gas McCon.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  Forgot.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  I can't believe you glossed over that fact.

• 23:51Speaker 05

  Totally forgot. Car is a Lego.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  So you can chime in on this. So, so Port, this news story is about Porsche. This is the most BS thing I've heard in a while. So Porsche is making a limited edition version of the GT3.

• 24:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  But only for nations in which the Alps exist. Which is Austria, France, Italy, and Switzerland. Now, they only give out 100 of these cars, so imagine to Italy, they will sell two. Uh, to Austria, they'll sell some, to France, they'll sell some, to Switzerland. But the idea is that like, it's paying homage to that region of the world. It's painted in a color called Valley Green Metallic, which is one word. Now, all that sounds English to me, but the Germans, in great German fashion, have taken the words and put it into one giant, long one.

• 24:28Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 24:28Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:30Doug DeMuro?

  Austria, France, Italy, and Switzerland.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:34Doug DeMuro?

  What about Slovenia, Liechtenstein, Monaco, and Germany?

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Monaco, does Monaco technically have-

• 24:41Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Google dot-coming it, and what it's telling me is they're restricting this car from Slovenia. Slovenia could be a part of this experience, and they're saying no.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  The Germans refusing to recognize Slovenia. It feels like World War II.

• 24:57Doug DeMuro?

  This, this, how could they do this to a great country such as Slovenia?

• 25:01Speaker 04

  There's so many Porsches, yeah.

• 25:03Doug DeMuro?

  So Filippo, have you ever been to La Jubiljana?

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  How do you say it, do you think? But you know the city I'm talking about.

• 25:12Speaker 05

  No.

• 25:12Doug DeMuro?

  It's the capital, it's like the largest, you don't know anything about geography. We're going to cover this in a minute.

• 25:16Speaker 05

  I will say, I have driven through Slovenia.

• 25:18Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 25:19Speaker 04

  On your way to the lake.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  We used to, as a child, when you, in Italy, don't have any money, you, years ago, would go to Croatia for vacation. Because it's not that far.

• 25:27Speaker 04

  Which is now becoming very popular.

• 25:28Speaker 05

  Notably cheaper, and now it's equally expensive, but it used to be way cheaper. And so we, we drove to Croatia.

• 25:34Doug DeMuro?

  And, but, but he didn't go to just Croatia, he went to Kosovo. His family was so poor that they were like, don't worry about the bombs, kids.

• 25:42Speaker 05

  Right, to Croatia, which is delightful.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  Split, no, we're going to-

• 25:45Speaker 05

  Technically, briefly, go to Slovenia.

• 25:47Doug DeMuro?

  So you, you were, you've been in La Jubiljana?

• 25:49Speaker 05

  Uh, no, that's not the, one of the sections you drive through.

• 25:52Doug DeMuro?

  Huh. Anyway, the point is, this car's coming out, and the only distinguishing feature is that it's offers a special color called Valley Green Metallic, which presumably you could get-

• 26:01Speaker 05

  It is a painted simple color, yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  That says that it, quote, "echoes the deep green and brown tones of the mountainous landscape."

• 26:07Doug DeMuro?

  Is there anything else that is special about this car?

• 26:10Speaker 04

  It comes with the lightweight package and a, and a 6-speed manual.

• 26:12Doug DeMuro?

  But you can get that on the rest.

• 26:13Speaker 05

  I have been to the colors.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  There's nothing?

• 26:15Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wait, no, it has a badge on the B pillar.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  Well, we know Porsche loves a badge or horrible lighting. They just cannot help themselves.

• 26:21Doug DeMuro?

  It has a badge on the B pillar.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  This is an incredible BS car to me. It does not-

• 26:25Doug DeMuro?

  This is another one I'm surprised about because they're also supply constrained. Why do this?

• 26:29Speaker 04

  Well, I, I don't know.

• 26:29Doug DeMuro?

  I guess because if they throw a badge on the B pillar and a special color, they can probably charge even more.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  I guess, but what are they having trouble not, not making money on GT3s?

• 26:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but they want to make a little more. Porsche's not in a situation today where they're not trying to maximize their, their revenue. Porsche's really trying to, so they're thinking, hey, we throw a badge on it, we throw a special color, it costs us three grand to make it, we'll charge people 23 grand, and then 100 cars, you do the math.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  They, they need to be at the big reveal, so they needed to reveal a car, but don't want to make a car. Uh, the good news is that a special edition of Curves magazine will also be released.

• 27:01Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 27:01Speaker 05

  But only 1,000 units.

• 27:02Doug DeMuro?

  Will they, will they at least release the magazine in La Jubiljana? Um, let me ask you this, Ken.

• 27:08Speaker 05

  So Filippo's got a message in to say that's not how you pronounce that.

• 27:10Doug DeMuro?

  Do you? Do you remember the 599 Fernando Alonso edition?

• 27:16Speaker 04

  I do remember that car.

• 27:17Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, well, this is that.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  That's a fair point.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  The 599 Fernando Alonso edition, I was, I remember, I worked at a Ferrari when it came out. It was the most laughably stupid special edition of a car in history.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  I took that picture, actually.

• 27:28Doug DeMuro?

  It was ugly, it was ugly, it was done as a runout model to get rid of the last few 599s that they couldn't get rid of, that were not particularly exciting to people. It was an old car by then, and they made this thing, and it was absolutely pathetic. And now they sell for a zillion dollars because it was a special edition. That's going to happen to the Bergsport.

• 27:44Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, whatever.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  And the Slovenians are missing the whole thing! Folks, if you're watching from La Jubiljana, you need to send an email to Sean, uh, S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com, and tell him about how great the Porsche culture is in your country.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  I'm sure, what a riveting-

• 28:00Speaker 05

  What, what, the interior here?

• 28:01Speaker 04

  The one thing I will say about the Fernando Alonso edition, is that they used cloth on the interior instead of leather. Like, that was, I thought that was kind of cool.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, I didn't realize the interior was so different.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  Then it became an option with the GTO.

• 28:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's still heinous, though. I agree.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  The exterior is-

• 28:16Doug DeMuro?

  No, the interior is cool.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  The interior is cool, but that exterior, I mean-

• 28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing has ever screamed "runout model" more than this. You agree?

• 28:23Speaker 04

  Also, like-

• 28:24Doug DeMuro?

  Like, paint this, let's, oh, let's put an Italian flag on the-

• 28:26Speaker 04

  Well, also, Michael Schumacher, seven-time world champion, won a lot of those with Ferrari. Uh, and then, like, Kimi Räikkönen, the last Ferrari world champion. They don't have special editions. Meanwhile, Fernando Alonso, who never won a championship with Ferrari, has a special edition.

• 28:39Doug DeMuro?

  They're waiting to give Kimi a special edition later.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Right, since he's retired and now has nothing to do with the spy edition at all, not, not doing anything, I don't care about that.

• 28:48Doug DeMuro?

  Kim, the problem with Kimi, I think, is that he's Finnish. And Ferrari-

• 28:54Speaker 05

  Is not.

• 28:55Doug DeMuro?

  Is, they want to, they only-

• 28:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, but their best driver was German.

• 28:58Doug DeMuro?

  They only support the Southern Europeans. Listen, I, I'm not trying to explain it, the company made this. They don't know what they're doing. Maybe we'll get a Kimi Räikkönen edition Luce.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Oh, that's, that would be tough.

• 29:10Speaker 05

  That'd be brutal.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  That's not, that's not selling for 40 million, I'll tell you that.

• 29:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, why wouldn't it? Chassis zero!

• 29:18Speaker 04

  Chassis.

• 29:19Doug DeMuro?

  The regular car's worth 40. Imagine what a Kimi Räikkönen edition is worth. You put a couple of Finnish flags on there, maybe it's 60 million.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Maybe it's because people have difficulty spelling Räikkönen, there's too many characters.

• 29:28Doug DeMuro?

  I have a theory, by the way, about the Luce sale, because I wasn't on the pod that week that happened. I have a theory. Please.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  Do you?

• 29:35Doug DeMuro?

  The, um-

• 29:37Doug DeMuro?

  The proceeds from the sale were going to Ferrari's foundation and specifically, I watched the whole auction live. An Italian man came on and announced that not only are the proceeds going to Ferrari's foundation, but specifically the proceeds for this auction are going to go to a portion of the foundation that will help to cultivate the next generation of car designers and engineers. And I think that the bidders were trying to spend a lot of money in order to cultivate-

• 30:03Speaker 05

  Better designers.

• 30:03Doug DeMuro?

  Better designers and engineers. Ferrari needs this. I'm not even buying a Lucci. I'm like providing them with capital to continue to exist because they've obviously gone down a horrible path. Like this is a donation. This is a special donation here to like make them good again.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  Do you think they would have put a stipulation, if we get over 50 million, we'll fire Johnny Ive? And we could have gotten there?

• 30:24Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that should have happened.

• 30:25Speaker 04

  That's very funny. I'd never really thought-

• 30:27Doug DeMuro?

  That's my theory on the whole thing. I don't know. The fellow who bought it, obviously a little crazy, but the underbidders, I think, were like, 40 million is nothing if it gets Ferrari back on the right path of building desirable cars instead of this utter trash.

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• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, do we have any more news or can we move on to Whitehorse?

• 31:43Speaker 05

  I think that's it.

• 31:44Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk about Canada for a second.

• 31:45Speaker 05

  I would like to, too.

• 31:47Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you start with your apology?

• 31:48Speaker 05

  I have an apology to give. I made two Canadian-related errors last week in talking about the US-Canadian trade-

• 31:55Speaker 04

  I'm glad I wasn't here.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  One is that I, instead of saying Mark Carney, which is actually the Prime Minister's name, I said Dan Carney.

• 32:01Doug DeMuro?

  Who's a car journalist, I think.

• 32:03Speaker 05

  That might be true. And secondly, I referred to Ontario as a city when I meant to say province. And I apologize.

• 32:10Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I think, now he's-

• 32:11Speaker 05

  And also a lake.

• 32:12Doug DeMuro?

  I have a theory. I have a theory that-

• 32:15Speaker 05

  It is, by the way, since that point, it has been formally by the US in an executive order renamed the Lake of America.

• 32:22Doug DeMuro?

  Lake America. Which sounds like it should be at the Mall-

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Or not? I still am not.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  Do you think it should be at the Mall of America? Like, those should be together. The lake inside the Mall of America should be the Lake of America.

• 32:33Doug DeMuro?

  You are claiming that you knew all about Ontario.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  I know it's a province. I've been there.

• 32:38Doug DeMuro?

  You apologize for the whole thing. Let's go province or city?

• 32:44Speaker 05

  Let's.

• 32:45Doug DeMuro?

  Calgary.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Is it a both?

• 32:51Speaker 05

  Look, I'm not an expert here.

• 32:51Doug DeMuro?

  Nope. It's not both.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  Just it's a city, then.

• 32:55Doug DeMuro?

  It's a city. Do you know what province it's in?

• 32:58Speaker 05

  Alberta.

• 32:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. Yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. Um, uh, Prince Edward Island.

• 33:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:07Doug DeMuro?

  Can you name any city in the Canadian Maritimes?

• 33:14Speaker 05

  Uh, are we including Vancouver on the far opposite coast?

• 33:18Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, that's not what the Maritimes are.

• 33:21Speaker 05

  I know, but like my word choice should be. Um, Prince Edward Island, far to the east. Uh, uh, yeah, I bet I could. Can't on the spot, turns out.

• 33:31Doug DeMuro?

  There's one that has an X in it. Is that a hint? Little hint?

• 33:36Speaker 05

  No.

• 33:37Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Halifax. Uh, all right, we're gonna move on from Filippo's unbelievable disknowledge of Canada. Capital, Canada? Do we know that yet?

• 33:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, we talked Ottawa.

• 33:45Doug DeMuro?

  Ottawa, you got it. Okay. Last week on the pod-

• 33:47Speaker 05

  But I do apologize that there are two embarrassing errors.

• 33:49Doug DeMuro?

  Last week on the pod, I brought up Whitehorse, which is in the Yukon Territory, extreme northwestern Canada. And I said jokingly, if anybody is listening from Whitehorse, send Sean an email with a picture of the newspaper and some cars that you've seen.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:01Doug DeMuro?

  We have, it turns out, we have listeners in Whitehorse.

• 34:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:04Doug DeMuro?

  Roll the tape. This fella, Sean, do we have a name for this fellow? Thomas here, he wrote in, he's got the picture of the local August 26-

• 34:14Speaker 05

  All northern, all fun.

• 34:15Doug DeMuro?

  What's up Yukon? Learning to fly.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  Learning to fly.

• 34:20Doug DeMuro?

  Go to the next picture, because it gets even better. Somebody sent a picture from the Whitehorse Ford dealership of a Bumblebee Ford GT.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  Shout out to Thomas.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  On Bayside.

• 34:28Doug DeMuro?

  This Thomas, Thomas is a killer. Thomas is the man in Whitehorse. Look at this. This is real.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  That's pretty serious.

• 34:36Doug DeMuro?

  Do you believe this? Wow. There's a Ford GT in Whitehorse.

• 34:39Speaker 05

  I know, that's wild.

• 34:41Doug DeMuro?

  And it's a Bumblebee Ford GT. And someone also sent a picture, next one, of, this is a 718 Cayman.

• 34:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:48Doug DeMuro?

  With a Yukon-

• 34:49Speaker 05

  GTS, no less.

• 34:50Doug DeMuro?

  Before you go thinking that this is fake, it has a Yukon license plate.

• 34:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, with the cover to avoid, uh-

• 34:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, all the, everybody knows the seven police officers in Whitehorse already.

• 35:01Speaker 05

  Somebody emailed in saying that they didn't have a picture, but they had seen a Vantage driving around. And then somebody sent a picture of the Vantage.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  Send a picture of the V- Not only is that a Vantage, I think it's a V12 Vantage. Isn't it based on the hood?

• 35:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:13Speaker 04

  But yeah.

• 35:14Doug DeMuro?

  We know, we know he didn't get an aftermarket hood. Because sending, it'd be easier to just buy a V12 Vantage in Whitehorse. Sending a hood from wherever to Whitehorse. Uh, go back to the Ford GT picture. This is Filippo. There is a major car scene in Whitehorse.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  There is. We should go up there. Arrive and drive Whitehorse coming soon to the key channel.

• 35:33Doug DeMuro?

  That would be great. Here's the question. Is there a car scene in Yellowknife? Folks, if you live in Yellowknife-

• 35:39Speaker 05

  There's a big truck scene.

• 35:41Doug DeMuro?

  If you live in Yellowknife, send an email to Sean, S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com with a picture of your local Ford GT over at Yellowknife Ford.

• 35:51Speaker 05

  Surely it doesn't exist.

• 35:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. I want to talk about, uh, car topics. Uh, Filippo's already apologized.

• 35:57Speaker 05

  I have apologized, and I do sincerely apologize. I especially am frustrated by my Ontario mistake and by Dan Carney.

• 36:04Doug DeMuro?

  Dan Carney.

• 36:04Speaker 05

  Instead of Mark Carney. It's an embarrassing error.

• 36:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's a big Canada thing we're doing here. Should we talk Brickland?

• 36:11Speaker 05

  We should also talk Mustang GTD.

• 36:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, and new Ford GT.

• 36:15Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 36:16Doug DeMuro?

  Among other cars. Um, tell us about Lewis Hamilton, Ken.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  Yes, so Lewis Hamilton recently, it was very public, he bought an F40, but not just any F40, he bought one that was a barn find and needed a full restoration, which he, of course, did at Ferrari. Ferrari Classic, he obviously wanted to be involved with it.

• 36:32Speaker 05

  He lives in the house.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, he lives in Enzo's house, according to Sean. It was gifted to him as a part of his contract. Sean asserts this, even though he's completely wrong. Uh, and, uh, yeah, so Lewis went through this process, and he says one of his dream cars. What's interesting is that not long ago, Lewis Hamilton quietly liquidated his entire car collection and was reported. Had some pretty crazy stuff in it, a 427 Cobra, I think McLaren F1, some other stuff. And now he, the only special car he had, oh, and his, yeah, his Pagani Zonda LH, his edition LH, whatever. Now he just has this F40. And he drove out, like, of the factory in it. And there's, like, great pictures of mechanics, like, taking pictures of him in the F40 leaving. And his license plate? 44. Because that's his racing number. How long he's had that for? I'm not exactly sure.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  Well, in what country?

• 37:16Speaker 04

  What country? UK. It was yellow on the back, so.

• 37:18Doug DeMuro?

  What, um, well, it could be Dutch. What, um-

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Right, yeah, Lewis Hamilton's famous Dutch resident. Max Verstappen, he's coming to your home.

• 37:27Doug DeMuro?

  What, um, whatever happened with the fella in Monaco who's got that Ford GT?

• 37:32Speaker 04

  Are you talking, well, uh, do you mean the guy who slides it around?

• 37:36Doug DeMuro?

  You know, there's a fellow in Monaco, one of your fellows, the Formula One fellows.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, Fernando, or not Fernando, Lando Norris.

• 37:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what's his deal? Is he still driving that thing?

• 37:45Speaker 04

  The F40 was repaired, because the F40 is the one that got damaged. That crashed, yeah. But I think that got repaired. Um, and then he's, because he's got, recently, this is my favorite thing, here, there's a video on Instagram of him being spotted driving an 812, uh, or an 812, um, uh, what's the, Competizione? And someone pans over and they go, it's Lando Norris. They're freaking out. And you can tell Lando's like, like secretly waves up because he's in a new-ish Ferrari.

• 38:11Doug DeMuro?

  What's he normally driving?

• 38:12Speaker 04

  Well, he races for McLaren.

• 38:14Doug DeMuro?

  I don't, I don't know the teams.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  The old stuff you can get away with, but like, the new stuff is coming hard.

• 38:20Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, we haven't talked that much about Cadillac Formula One. I assume they're dominating.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. If, they're dominating the last spot on the grid, really good.

• 38:28Doug DeMuro?

  They haven't won a race?

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 38:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, what's going on? I, I, but, but, but, come on.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  I think they thought it'd be easier than it is.

• 38:37Doug DeMuro?

  This is my patriotism.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  They're not using their own engines yet. They will next year?

• 38:42Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't recall.

• 38:43Doug DeMuro?

  It was something like that.

• 38:44Speaker 04

  It is hard to explain how poorly they're performing, but-

• 38:47Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? Are they finishing races?

• 38:49Speaker 04

  Not all the time. And not, uh, the off, double DNFs are not uncommon.

• 38:55Doug DeMuro?

  Wait a minute. I'm gonna decide whether or not this is true.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  It's, uh, you know, you could watch some of the sport and you would know, but like-

• 39:02Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? They're routinely finishing races. They only had two double DNFs, and one of them-

• 39:08Speaker 05

  How many races have they had?

• 39:09Doug DeMuro?

  They're 12.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Not that many. We've had not that many.

• 39:11Doug DeMuro?

  But one of them was in Hungary. They just simply didn't want to be in Budapest. They wanted to go to Le Jubel Jalana.

• 39:15Speaker 05

  But they still have to stay there for the entirety of the race, I think, is a rule.

• 39:19Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. That's not true. Didn't that fella who crashed out in Monaco a couple years ago get on his yacht?

• 39:22Speaker 04

  You know who that was? Kimi Raikkonen.

• 39:25Doug DeMuro?

  Kimi, you got your special edition Ferrari. It's all good. So, you're right that they're using Ferrari powertrains, so we knew they were gonna be bad because Ferrari's bad.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  Right.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Ferrari's doing very well this year.

• 39:36Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean Ferrari's doing well? They're doing better than, you think they're-

• 39:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. Wait, you think they're giving Cadillac the bad ones?

• 39:41Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 39:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is incredible. We've just discovered something on this very podcast.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  No, they, yeah, they're not, yeah, Cadillac, it's, it's tough. The first year in Formula One is really, really hard. Uh, and it's a very difficult sport.

• 39:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it's Cadillac. They get all this money.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  I've only got to start using it, I guess.

• 40:00Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, Filippo, take a guess what the, uh, engine size of one of these Formula One engines is?

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Three liters.

• 40:06Doug DeMuro?

  Three liter what type?

• 40:07Speaker 05

  Uh, V6.

• 40:09Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's a 1.6 liter V6. Like you have in your Honda Civic.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 40:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. But there's no restriction on RPMs.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 40:18Doug DeMuro?

  So they can just roll.

• 40:20Speaker 05

  They can just roll.

• 40:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 40:22Speaker 05

  Can I, speaking of Cadillac, what happened to Johan Denis?

• 40:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, whatever happened to him?

• 40:28Speaker 05

  Where is he at?

• 40:28Doug DeMuro?

  He saved Audi, personally. And then he kind of fizzled out. He went to Nissan, that was bad. He went to Cadillac, that was bad.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Oh, man. He's in a lot of Chattanooga area things. He's the chairman of the board of the Chattanooga Area Regional Transportation Authority.

• 40:42Doug DeMuro?

  You're kidding? He moved to Chattanooga at the end of it all? He probably, when he was working for Volkswagen, he was probably like, I like the factory situation here. It's a beautiful town.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  He moved around.

• 40:52Doug DeMuro?

  Remember when he moved Cadillac to New York?

• 40:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:54Doug DeMuro?

  It was the single greatest decision in the history of Cadillac.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  They moved back.

• 40:56Doug DeMuro?

  And then they moved back. They're like, no, no, we can handle it from Detroit, no problem.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  It turns out that Cadillac period ended in 2018.

• 41:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. If only he had moved Cadillac to La Jubilana.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  It feels like more recently than that.

• 41:09Doug DeMuro?

  Cadillac would have been better in La Jubilana. Uh, Filippo, you helped your sister-in-law purchase a car.

• 41:14Speaker 05

  I did. Sister-in-law's Ford Explorer died after 180,000 miles.

• 41:17Doug DeMuro?

  180,000 miles?

• 41:19Speaker 05

  And she had a couple of requests.

• 41:20Doug DeMuro?

  Out of Detroit Steel.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  That's pretty impressive for Detroit.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  She specifically wanted a turbocharged engine because she said that the turbocharged cars she had driven were more fun.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  Did she consider the F40?

• 41:29Speaker 05

  And so.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  She think about an F1 car?

• 41:30Speaker 05

  And so I helped her track down a Nissan Rogue.

• 41:34Doug DeMuro?

  A Nissan Rogue?

• 41:35Speaker 05

  Which is a 1.5 liter turbocharged three-cylinder.

• 41:38Doug DeMuro?

  Of all the turbocharged?

• 41:39Speaker 05

  Turbocharged, yeah.

• 41:40Doug DeMuro?

  It's not a three-cylinder?

• 41:40Speaker 05

  Sure is.

• 41:41Doug DeMuro?

  What? No.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  Turbocharged.

• 41:43Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  She had a requirement?

• 41:45Speaker 05

  I met it. We're good.

• 41:46Doug DeMuro?

  There's no, the Rogue uses a turbo three-cylinder?

• 41:49Speaker 05

  2023, excuse me.

• 41:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 41:52Speaker 05

  1.5 liter.

• 41:53Doug DeMuro?

  What's happened to the car industry, huh?

• 41:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:55Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  Filippo, you gotta fix this.

• 41:57Speaker 05

  She may have wanted a B58, but instead she got this.

• 41:59Doug DeMuro?

  God, I'll tell you something.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  If that's a requirement, you're welcome.

• 42:04Doug DeMuro?

  In my day.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  She doesn't watch. I can say whatever.

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  In my day, the Nissan Rogue had 170 horsepower, 2.5 liter four-cylinder.

• 42:10Speaker 05

  And now it has surely that same power, just from a three-cylinder.

• 42:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's not the power. It's that I don't accept smaller engines. It's like when the new Ford GT came out and everybody was like, rears. You know what this is like? Actually, it's like the XJ220.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Except we're not getting an XJ15 to follow it up.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  We needed a V12. We wanted a V12. Instead, they gave us a 1.5 liter turbocharged three-cylinder.

• 42:34Speaker 05

  You know, she had their requirement. We made it happen.

• 42:36Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Was there any car that you considered that was not turbocharged? I mean, are there even any cars in that segment anymore that are not turbocharged?

• 42:42Speaker 05

  Very few. It was very easy to meet that specific requirement.

• 42:45Doug DeMuro?

  The CRV is turbocharged even?

• 42:47Speaker 05

  Some of the trims. Sport trim is. I think you got to upgrade from the base engine. Who knows? I wasn't looking at brand new. It's looking a couple of years old.

• 42:53Doug DeMuro?

  Did you consider a first-gen Q3?

• 42:56Speaker 05

  Uh, there were specific requirements around age, you know?

• 43:00Doug DeMuro?

  Did you consider importing a Q2 from Mexico?

• 43:02Speaker 05

  I considered a lot of things that were ruled out immediately by myself.

• 43:05Doug DeMuro?

  Was that one of them?

• 43:06Speaker 05

  No.

• 43:07Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan, pull a picture of an Audi Q2.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  I did consider the car that I think everybody should buy, which is a Volvo V60, because they're about 10 grand. They're reliable. They're great.

• 43:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 43:15Speaker 05

  She was, she wasn't interested.

• 43:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  The Q2 is a great car.

• 43:20Doug DeMuro?

  Is it?

• 43:20Speaker 05

  No.

• 43:20Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Uh, all right. So that happened. Do you have any interesting stories from, you now recently have purchased a car more recently than any of us, except me?

• 43:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was great. It was an easy experience.

• 43:30Speaker 04

  It was an easy experience.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  It was great. I talked to every single dealer in Phoenix, because she lives in Arizona. I talked to every single dealer. Ended up buying a car online.

• 43:39Doug DeMuro?

  Every single dealer in Phoenix?

• 43:41Speaker 05

  It felt like it. And based on the number of calls that I still get, it still feels like it.

• 43:45Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, they're following up. That's great.

• 43:47Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 43:47Doug DeMuro?

  You talked to ABC Nissan?

• 43:48Speaker 05

  Uh, I reached out online to, I think.

• 43:50Doug DeMuro?

  Did you get on the horn with Pinnacle?

• 43:52Speaker 05

  No.

• 43:53Doug DeMuro?

  Did you call Flagstaff?

• 43:54Speaker 05

  Oh, no. I said to the Phoenix area dealers in Arizona.

• 43:58Doug DeMuro?

  What about Larry?

• 43:58Speaker 05

  There are interesting pricing situations. For example, the rural markets, uh, she lives in Prescott, Flagstaff, much more expensive than Phoenix. But she wanted an all-wheel-drive car because she lives in, like, Prescott, in the mountains. There's a lot of snow. And she is a traveling nurse and so is often like in like rural areas. Uh, every single all-wheel-drive car that I could find in the Phoenix market was a rental car. Because nobody buys new all-wheel-drive cars in Phoenix in the city.

• 44:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  So they're all former rentals.

• 44:28Doug DeMuro?

  Did you consider looking outside of the region to find more four-wheel-drive cars, such as in Pagosa Springs?

• 44:35Speaker 05

  I considered.

• 44:37Doug DeMuro?

  If anyone's listening from Pagosa Springs, um, okay, I'm glad that you did this. I'm disappointed that you ended up in a Rogue.

• 44:44Speaker 05

  I'm not. It works out great for her use case.

• 44:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:48Doug DeMuro?

  She had a Ford before. You don't put her in another.

• 44:50Speaker 05

  I learned a lot about the reliability by years of a lot of models. For example, if you're considering a Volkswagen Taos, which is a fine, subcompact SUV crossover, don't get a 2022 or 2023. Apparently, this had a lot of issues.

• 45:03Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of issues.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  By 2024, most were resolved.

• 45:05Doug DeMuro?

  Ironed out. And you know who ironed him out? Is Johan Denisian in Chattanooga personally went on the assembly line.

• 45:10Speaker 05

  Yep, yep. He sure did. I still have his link up. You'll know more about it. He's also the special advisor to Chattanooga 2.0, advancing equity and opportunity in Hamilton County.

• 45:19Doug DeMuro?

  What would, what would life have to be like for you to end up in a Nissan Rogue?

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Kind of my head?

• 45:25Speaker 05

  It's a good, small SUV.

• 45:26Doug DeMuro?

  What would have to happen for you to even involve yourself in the search for a vehicle such as that?

• 45:31Speaker 05

  He has sisters.

• 45:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but if you.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I wouldn't advise that. I.

• 45:35Doug DeMuro?

  But also.

• 45:35Speaker 05

  You gotta advise.

• 45:36Doug DeMuro?

  Do you agree that if your sisters came to you asking for help with a car, you would say, buy what has the best color?

• 45:42Speaker 05

  Oh, she wanted black or white.

• 45:44Doug DeMuro?

  Buy the dealer that is closest to you.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  That's very good advice.

• 45:49Doug DeMuro?

  Salesperson.

• 45:50Speaker 04

  That's pretty good advice largely for what they're looking for, I think.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I, well, one sister lives in New York City. I don't think she'll need a car for a long time. The other is happy with her Subaru back.

• 46:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, because everybody is.

• 46:02Speaker 04

  It's Carlin.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  Johan, by the way, is also a junk professor at Nelson Mandela University in South Africa.

• 46:07Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Wow. He's around.

• 46:09Doug DeMuro?

  That's interesting, as is your pronunciation of that.

• 46:11Speaker 04

  He must be the only person in Chattanooga who knows that institution.

• 46:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's very true. Uh, no, Chattanooga is an educated place. It's a nice city. It's one of my favorites, actually. I would live there.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  I've heard great things.

• 46:22Doug DeMuro?

  Um, the, uh, it's hard to get to. You gotta fly to Atlanta and then, and then think.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  Everywhere I like to go is hard to get to.

• 46:29Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to talk about the situation. We've already covered the G is leaving. I've announced the Supra. The commenters are thrilled.

• 46:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:37Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody's so excited about this Supra.

• 46:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. How is the Supra?

• 46:40Doug DeMuro?

  It's wonderful.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  Did you drive it here today?

• 46:42Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, no, it's getting very minor servicing done, it turns out. Um, are you going to modify it?

• 46:50Speaker 05

  Uh, no, I don't modify my cars. Kenan, you do. Are you gonna modify it?

• 46:56Speaker 04

  No, I'm a preservationist. Thank you. I do things to make them more practical to use.

• 47:01Speaker 05

  That's what every modifier says.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  No, that's not. What every modifier says, dude, it's faster because it's a Supra.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  That's some blowing smoke for the, for the, for the audio listeners. No, you're not gonna modify. You're gonna leave it as it is.

• 47:17Doug DeMuro?

  I have this Mercedes-Benz station wagon that I'm announcing here in a couple of days. I already have announced on this pod. Well, the pod, you know what I've learned? There's now two ways to find out information in the, in the Doug DeMuro Cars and Bids world. There's my videos and the podcast. And I've discovered this because whenever I posted I bought a new car, people in the comments are like, Doug said he was off cars. Uh-huh. But on the pod, we've been talking about this for years. I was off cars for a long, long time. And then I sort of gradually got back on cars. And I've been saying for a year now that I'm like, ready to do it again. But people are like, oh, he said he's off, because they're not listening to the pod. And every time I see a comment like that, I'm like, this person is not a true fan.

• 47:54Speaker 05

  Right. The thing is, 300,000-plus people every single week listen to this conversation inexplicably.

• 48:02Doug DeMuro?

  Including 44 minutes in.

• 48:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:04Doug DeMuro?

  But they don't know. They don't know. Folks, there's an E55 wagon coming. I already got it. It's coming. There's a Supra. The 993 is gone.

• 48:13Speaker 05

  Are you, I see it.

• 48:14Doug DeMuro?

  Are you gonna toss in a bid?

• 48:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:18Speaker 05

  The first bid, if I get there in time.

• 48:20Speaker 04

  Yep, yep. $750. It's got Filippo's name on it.

• 48:24Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan, you're a Porsche man. Are you thinking about, are you thinking about throwing down some money on the 993?

• 48:28Speaker 04

  I wish I could. They're just so dang expensive.

• 48:29Speaker 05

  They're so.

• 48:30Doug DeMuro?

  Does it make it.

• 48:30Speaker 05

  It's a lovely car.

• 48:31Doug DeMuro?

  That that car is leaving us?

• 48:35Speaker 04

  I'm trying to decide, am I more, am I, do I care less about you having the Supra? Or am I gonna miss the 993 more? They're kind of at a similar level for me. Like, the 993, I'll miss a little. I never rode in the, I rode in the car one time and I don't know, it's not.

• 48:50Doug DeMuro?

  When is that going?

• 48:51Speaker 04

  It's fine. The only car I care about that you have is the Countach.

• 48:53Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 48:53Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  For a GT, no. Ford GT, no.

• 48:56Speaker 04

  Nah, Craig's been normalized and he doesn't use that much. Ford GT's been around forever.

• 49:00Doug DeMuro?

  He's got like four cars that he's interested in. Oh, it's been around forever. Someday, the Countach won't be cared about. It'll be too long.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  But that is how that works.

• 49:06Doug DeMuro?

  Presence will be.

• 49:07Speaker 05

  Fundamental.

• 49:07Doug DeMuro?

  It is. You know, I think about that, because I walked in my garage the other day and the Countach is there. And it's always been like a slap in the face. And I think it's down too much.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  Two years?

• 49:15Doug DeMuro?

  And I need to get it back up, so I don't see it for a little while.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  Keep it special.

• 49:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 49:20Speaker 05

  You were gone for three months.

• 49:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 05

  That's a tough, tough look.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  It sat right there and we stared at it and I moved it, started it, moved around.

• 49:28Doug DeMuro?

  Countach is still my favorite. Have no interest in anything happening to that car, but the 993 is gone and you are gonna buy it.

• 49:36Speaker 04

  No, I will end up with one eventually.

• 49:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  Don't you think? Don't you think?

• 49:40Doug DeMuro?

  I do think that at your core, you're a Porsche man.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I haven't accepted that. And it's, yeah. But it's true. It fits me really well. I drove around that 991 Turbo S and was like, man, this is everything.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  But older, it fits you better.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, but that's, I was like driving the manual DB9 that's on the site right now and like, it's like, that fits me. Great. Like, I really love that car.

• 49:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  I can't bid on my own car. Let's for sale. Like, that, that's not permissible.

• 50:05Doug DeMuro?

  Why not? I'd throw down a couple of bids. You want me to do it for you?

• 50:08Speaker 04

  I really don't.

• 50:08Doug DeMuro?

  I don't, we just don't tell anybody?

• 50:10Speaker 04

  Right. It won't be obvious. Doug DiMiro just slides a bid.

• 50:14Speaker 05

  Can I drive that 993?

• 50:15Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 50:15Speaker 05

  It's too late.

• 50:16Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next time for the market report.

• 50:18Speaker 05

  That's my opportunity.

• 50:18Doug DeMuro?

  You missed your opportunity, Filippo. But if you want to drive a Supra.

• 50:22Speaker 05

  I've done that.

• 50:22Doug DeMuro?

  There are other ones available for you.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  I brought that one to your house.

• 50:25Doug DeMuro?

  You go get a Mark 5. Oh, you did. And you loved it.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  I went a total of 30 miles per hour.

• 50:29Doug DeMuro?

  You loved it, I bet.

• 50:30Speaker 05

  It was fun.

• 50:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, let's move on to the market report, which is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids is the finest place on the planet to buy or sell your enthusiast car. There is an app. It is available to Android users. We have everything. We have a Chevy Sprint Turbo live on the site right now.

• 50:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, it ends by the time you're watching this. Can I also shout out our merch store? We have new merch.

• 50:50Doug DeMuro?

  We have new merch.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  It is actually very cool. I'm very happy with, with how they all turned out. Go check it out. Merch.carsandbids.com.

• 50:57Doug DeMuro?

  Merch.carsandbids.com.

• 50:59Speaker 05

  There's also a pint glass that says a couple of cold ones. This of a Porsche, this is a hat.

• 51:04Doug DeMuro?

  Did Ryan Lopez design the merch?

• 51:06Speaker 05

  He had no role in this merch.

• 51:08Doug DeMuro?

  When, when are we gonna have some Ryan Lopez-themed merchandise?

• 51:11Speaker 05

  That already happened. Nobody bought it. Sorry, Ryan.

• 51:14Doug DeMuro?

  But I want my merch to say, I want my merch to, to like, instead of not another Porsche podcast or that, I just want to say, Ryan Lopez.

• 51:21Speaker 05

  Oh, we can work on that.

• 51:22Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 51:22Speaker 04

  You want to say Smoke Show?

• 51:24Doug DeMuro?

  No, I don't want it to say anything else. I don't even want a picture of his face. I just want to say, Ryan Lopez.

• 51:28Speaker 05

  If you, as a viewer, would buy that, comment below, Ryan Lopez.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  Maybe you can say HVAC loading, like have the loading.

• 51:34Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, maybe Ryan Lopez and a picture of an air conditioner.

• 51:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, that'd be good.

• 51:39Doug DeMuro?

  Ryan Lopez. Ryan Lopez, you, you guys don't, aren't aware of this, but Ryan Lopez right now is diligently working on a 1986 Toyota 4Runner. He's preparing it. He's making it perfect.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 51:51Doug DeMuro?

  He may even get it street legal.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  He missed a date to do it.

• 51:55Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  With a smoke show.

• 51:59Doug DeMuro?

  Ryan Lopez refers to every woman as a smoke show.

• 52:02Speaker 05

  Including in the video.

• 52:04Doug DeMuro?

  Bizarre.

• 52:05Speaker 05

  Oh, no, he's pulling up a photo. I can see him off camera.

• 52:07Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 52:08Speaker 05

  We gotta move on.

• 52:09Doug DeMuro?

  No, move on. Anyway, Cars and Bids has brought the, it brings you the market report, uh, the market report where Ryan Lopez's can be bought and sold. I want to talk about the 335 IS wagon.

• 52:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:19Doug DeMuro?

  Can you pull that up? Do you know about this, Kenan?

• 52:21Speaker 04

  No, I don't.

• 52:21Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God, Kenan, this changed our lives. It's not under 335 IS because that car doesn't exist. But type in E91 and you might find something.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  It absolutely does exist.

• 52:30Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, pull up that. Wow.

• 52:33Speaker 04

  Well, that's cool.

• 52:34Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty cool. It's like OE. It's a 335 IS.

• 52:38Speaker 04

  This is how you, well, all right. So normally I would say this is how you do it. You take it, you take a wagon, you make it look like BMW would have built it and sold. Now, this car only sold for $13,100, which is about what a 335 IS would sell for.

• 52:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  So really not that big of a difference, but in terms of coolness.

• 52:54Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty cool.

• 52:55Speaker 04

  This is pretty.

• 52:55Doug DeMuro?

  And they did it right. Like, those are the right wheels. It has like the exact right stance. Like, it looks right.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  It looks pretty legit. I would put those grills back. Or I put silver grills on.

• 53:03Doug DeMuro?

  I just love that powertrain and tuned up a little bit with the 335 IS. Like, this is a cool car.

• 53:08Speaker 04

  Those are N55 powered cars, right? Not N54s?

• 53:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it's not. It's an N54.

• 53:13Speaker 04

  It was an N54. Well, the.

• 53:15Doug DeMuro?

  That's a great motor, though. When it's running, when it's running.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  When it's running. All right. Every, some would argue every engine is great when it's running.

• 53:22Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, I didn't say that.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  If it's supposed to be running and it's not, that's not.

• 53:26Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of engines are bad even when they're running. That Nissan Rogue 3.

• 53:30Speaker 05

  It's turbocharged, okay?

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Okay, fair enough.

• 53:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's not good running or not. This motor, when you have it dialed in, which you never will, it is a great powertrain. I love the torque. I love the way it feels.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  Like all BMW engines. I've only been up building engines for over 100 years. Sunday they'll give it, right? Oh, the B58. They got that, right?

• 53:46Doug DeMuro?

  The B58 seems like it's okay.

• 53:48Speaker 05

  Aren't you a little worried that we'll discover?

• 53:50Speaker 04

  Of course, give it some time. But it's in so many things and it has been for a while now.

• 53:53Speaker 05

  And you would think.

• 53:54Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not that worried we'll discover issues because it's been years. I think it's 10 years.

• 53:59Speaker 05

  Toyota has one, so we're good.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, Toyota has accepted it. I mean, you have to imagine that is, that is the 2J of our time.

• 54:06Doug DeMuro?

  The, excuse me? What? Why would you say such a thing?

• 54:10Speaker 05

  He's not wrong.

• 54:11Doug DeMuro?

  That would be like saying, that would be like saying that, that, that, that carpeting is the gold of our time.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  Well, I think if you talk to any Carpet Emporium owner, they'll tell you it's the gold of our time.

• 54:23Doug DeMuro?

  The 2JZ is the greatest powertrain ever put. Ryan, tell them.

• 54:29Speaker 05

  Better than a 1UZ?

• 54:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you mean a 2UZ?

• 54:33Speaker 04

  It means a 2UZ. You do mean a 2UZ, I think.

• 54:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the 2UZ is the 4.7.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I meant that.

• 54:38Doug DeMuro?

  The 1UZ is the 4.3, isn't it?

• 54:39Speaker 05

  4.0, yeah, yeah.

• 54:40Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the 4.0 from the IS, the LS400. But the 2J was produced and it ended. Hey, go get that IS300, Filippo. Go grab it so we can talk about this real.

• 54:49Speaker 05

  No, I'm good.

• 54:50Doug DeMuro?

  Go get the I.

• 54:51Speaker 05

  Fine.

• 54:53Speaker 05

  Fine.

• 54:53Speaker 04

  Doug is actively walking around.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  He's walking off set.

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• 55:05Speaker 01

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• 55:30Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe. I am so sorry.

• 55:32Speaker 05

  I'm a male of the country, guy.

• 55:34Doug DeMuro?

  Tried to denigrate.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  Of our time, the 2J's not in production anymore. It hasn't been in ages. And of, I mean, what's, it's, there are a lot of similarities between the two.

• 55:43Doug DeMuro?

  This is an Alteza AS200. It's a two liter. It's not a 2JZ.

• 55:46Speaker 05

  Correct. But nobody needs to know.

• 55:48Speaker 04

  Great point.

• 55:49Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Anyway, cool car. Uh, $30,000 is a bargain in my mind for what this thing is.

• 55:54Speaker 04

  I think that is so cool.

• 55:55Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  That is a Cars and Bids car if they ever were one.

• 55:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally. The, the specific one was a salvage title from a flood. Who know, I don't remember how many miles.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  Well, that's kind of what you'll just find building this car.

• 56:05Speaker 05

  It's so cool. Uh, Filippo, what do you got for us? Can I talk about NC Miata? Because they're cheap? No, because they're not as cheap as they once were. And it's kind of surprising. We sold one for 26 grand. A nice one, but like a regular, non-hardtop.

• 56:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, not a.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  Oh, it's a more, not a club. A powertrain with a hardtop one for 22, but that's still like the second highest result we ever had.

• 56:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:24Speaker 05

  On one of these. They are ticking up, which they should.

• 56:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 05

  Because I think the NC Miata has been unfairly maligned.

• 56:31Doug DeMuro?

  Fairly maligned.

• 56:32Speaker 05

  Amazing car to drive.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  Okay, it, it, there's nuance to it, right? Because the suspension is designed that like, once you put, you load it into a corner and then the suspension.

• 56:40Speaker 05

  What if it has a suspension package like that, yellow one did?

• 56:43Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 56:43Speaker 05

  Whatever.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  A driven one can say. I did learn how to drive manual on an NC. That was where my, my car.

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  I have always loved the NC. I think they've always gotten a little bit of unfair criticism. They are weird looking.

• 56:52Speaker 05

  They're weird.

• 56:53Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think they're bad looking. Weird looking enough that I wouldn't want to be in one. Like, it's fine. It drives great. People talk about how the suspension is this different and this and that is all changed and all that. I've never found that. I always found that like, if you just go in thinking it's a great driving car, it'll be a great driving car. And maybe there are nuanced differences compared to NBS and all that. But like, as a general good sports car, it is a general good sports car.

• 57:14Speaker 05

  It's a good car. I'm glad that they're getting some recognition for being that. Because values are up a little, a solid in percentage terms amount.

• 57:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 57:22Speaker 05

  And I'm glad.

• 57:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, 22 grand for a car with 55,000 miles is pretty, pretty surprising.

• 57:26Speaker 05

  And one, like a soft top for 26 is the highest result we've had. Uh, second highest result we've had.

• 57:31Doug DeMuro?

  It's especially surprising considering NDs are easily gettable at that number.

• 57:34Speaker 05

  Right.

• 57:35Doug DeMuro?

  So you, these people are choosing an NC over an ND.

• 57:38Speaker 05

  ND1s and ND2s are available at that number. ND3s aren't yet. And maybe.

• 57:41Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but.

• 57:42Speaker 05

  Maybe I would.

• 57:42Doug DeMuro?

  An ND is a, I mean, ND is, is the greatest sports car ever manufactured.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  Well, you're just breaking away from that, that GT4 claim, huh?

• 57:52Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up NDs.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  You, you agree with me now.

• 57:54Speaker 05

  ND is a steak.

• 57:55Doug DeMuro?

  I, I don't actually think it's the greatest sports car ever manufactured, but my God, I love an ND Miata. They are so, oh, look at this car.

• 58:00Speaker 05

  NDs are getting cheaper.

• 58:01Doug DeMuro?

  How in 2026 are we lucky enough to be, to have this car available to us? Weighs in at 3,100 minuscules.

• 58:11Speaker 05

  RF for 20? That 2020 red one in the middle there?

• 58:15Doug DeMuro?

  20 for a sole red car.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  For, for. Guessing a lot of miles, obviously. Four, oh, 48,000, something like that. Must have an accident.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  Clean title?

• 58:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, it has an accident.

• 58:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  It had an accident, really.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  Still.

• 58:25Doug DeMuro?

  But look at them. Go back up.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  Minor.

• 58:26Doug DeMuro?

  Go down. Go down to the thing. Look at this. It's got mods, DC sports shift knob, stubby antenna.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, everybody does that mod, the NDs. That is appealing for 20 grand. I drove our friend Kevin's ND2 to get, take out the other day.

• 58:41Doug DeMuro?

  It's delightful. It's so good.

• 58:43Speaker 04

  It's great. I think the.

• 58:44Doug DeMuro?

  Shifter is perfectly in hand.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was great.

• 58:46Doug DeMuro?

  The clutch is so great. I think this car is so good looking. I love how light it is.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  Totally. I drove that one that had the, was the Brembo BBS Recaro package and all. The only mod to it was a supercharger that brought that power figure up nicely and perfect. Wouldn't change a thing.

• 58:59Speaker 05

  Even without the extra power, it's still delightful.

• 59:01Doug DeMuro?

  It's a lovely.

• 59:01Speaker 05

  Okay, for 20, I'll take an ND, not an NC.

• 59:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, below that.

• 59:05Speaker 05

  That's the thing. So that's why it's surprising that NC.

• 59:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. But that's nice. Nice to see that good cars sell for good money.

• 59:11Speaker 05

  Good cars sell for good money.

• 59:12Doug DeMuro?

  These are still cheap.

• 59:13Speaker 05

  These are still deals. Every Miata, except for the NA and it's still, it's still.

• 59:19Doug DeMuro?

  NA's are deals.

• 59:20Speaker 05

  Hmm. I've never loved the NA.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you didn't like heat? You don't like the NA?

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, but NB experience was also fine, but the, the, they're, they're not deals. There's other cars you can get that I think are equivalent.

• 59:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's a, it's a classic now.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:35Doug DeMuro?

  I want to move on to the questions.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  Ooh, questions.

• 59:38Doug DeMuro?

  The questions are brought to you by, uh, the Cars and Bids merch store.

• 59:43Speaker 05

  Merch.carsandbids.com.

• 59:44Doug DeMuro?

  Merch.carsandbids.com. See Filippo for more details. Do you have any other merch related things to say?

• 59:51Speaker 05

  No, just, if you buy enough, you get some free items. So check that out and check out the, what we have going on. We also have a exciting event at Willow Springs on October 17th.

• 1:00:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what's gonna happen?

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  Where we're gonna have a bunch of cars there for a live auction, similar to what we did at Velocity.

• 1:00:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:07Speaker 05

  That are, those auctions were incredible. People were bidding online. People were bidding from there in person. Uh, we sold a Ferrari 550 where the guy was bidding with his wife next to him from our tent. It was super cool. We'll do that again at Willow Springs Reimagined.

• 1:00:20Doug DeMuro?

  This is in like a month, in like six weeks.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, we got some great cars lined up. Yeah, we got some great cars lined up.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  I have a car that'll be there.

• 1:00:25Speaker 05

  Nice. What do you have for this? It'll be there.

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  Cayman R. I have a Cayman R. 2,800 miles on it. It's, you're doing a video. It'll, it'll be there.

• 1:00:31Speaker 05

  The nicest Porsche key I've ever seen.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  It's, it's the nicest Cayman R you've ever, the whole car is nice, believe it or not, just the key.

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  God, that's a Porsche thing to focus on.

• 1:00:39Speaker 05

  Uh, well, I pulled it out of the, the lockbox. I'm like, whoa.

• 1:00:43Doug DeMuro?

  What other, what other, what other good stuff we got there?

• 1:00:45Speaker 05

  Oh, I can't reveal it yet.

• 1:00:47Doug DeMuro?

  Can't reveal?

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  No, but there will be a Clio V6, at the very least.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:00:51Doug DeMuro?

  You bidding on that?

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  Uh, left-hand drive.

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  I'm over cars, but that would be.

• 1:00:56Doug DeMuro?

  USA title?

• 1:00:57Speaker 05

  USA title.

• 1:00:58Doug DeMuro?

  Don't, don't send that. Don't send that. I, I want to have a conversation with the seller. I think that car has a lot of issues. It needs to be held back for, uh, further inspection.

• 1:01:07Speaker 05

  It is. I don't remember if it's left-hand drive or not. It is left-hand drive?

• 1:01:10Doug DeMuro?

  Silver.

• 1:01:11Speaker 05

  Silver.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 1:01:12Doug DeMuro?

  What year?

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  That is so cool.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  Uh, 01, 19,000.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  I wish you could see the pictures I'm looking at.

• 1:01:16Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, we not buying this? You're not buying this?

• 1:01:18Speaker 05

  You're, you're reviewing it.

• 1:01:19Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna review it, but that's not the same as buying it.

• 1:01:22Speaker 05

  It's so cool.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, one you spend money on, the other you make money from. There's a difference.

• 1:01:26Speaker 05

  Uh, there's one here local in San Diego, not this car, uh, that was here at our event that we did alongside a Vans.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  So cool.

• 1:01:31Speaker 05

  So, so.

• 1:01:32Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, you're not buying this thing?

• 1:01:35Doug DeMuro?

  What is going on? You're not buying this? Neither are you?

• 1:01:37Speaker 05

  No, I want it.

• 1:01:38Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna just sit around?

• 1:01:39Speaker 05

  I'm off cars.

• 1:01:40Doug DeMuro?

  It's a Clio V6.

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  I want it.

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  That's a serious car. It's an expensive car.

• 1:01:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, what are they?

• 1:01:45Speaker 05

  How much are they for?

• 1:01:46Doug DeMuro?

  A lot.

• 1:01:46Speaker 05

  A lot. Hundred something?

• 1:01:47Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no, no. If you think it's a hundred something, then yes, let's go Habsies. You're gonna get a bargain. I want this car.

• 1:01:54Speaker 05

  I did too.

• 1:01:55Doug DeMuro?

  And I

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  Bidding war.

• 1:01:56Doug DeMuro?

  And I, I'm planning to be bidding. It's right there at Willow Springs. Uh, okay. That's not actually true. I would love it if it had backseats, but the thing that makes it cool is the, is also the thing that removes the backseat.

• 1:02:08Speaker 05

  That turns out the engine is back there.

• 1:02:09Doug DeMuro?

  I drove one of those a long time ago and I'm excited to drive that one, which I haven't done yet, but I will.

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  You said it's spooky, right?

• 1:02:14Doug DeMuro?

  I loved it. It was spooky.

• 1:02:15Speaker 05

  You drove a Gen one?

• 1:02:16Doug DeMuro?

  Super light front end. Uh, yeah, but the Clio V6, there were like different versions, but they were all the same basic idea. Super light front end. Kinda twitchy.

• 1:02:26Speaker 04

  It was cool. You love cars that are actively trying to kill you.

• 1:02:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I like dangerous cars. Uh, even though I don't drive fast. Only Kenan does.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  Only, and Boyd does.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 1:02:35Speaker 05

  I've heard rumors, I won't say them out loud because I don't think it's appropriate.

• 1:02:38Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Time for the questions. The questions are brought to you by Slammin' Stafford. He is our video editor.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  And outstanding photographer. He takes like

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  Stafford visuals.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  I'm very proud of the DB9 pictures that he took.

• 1:02:49Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up.

• 1:02:49Speaker 04

  Look at that. Come on. Is that not one of the best looking pictures of a DB9 you've ever seen?

• 1:02:54Doug DeMuro?

  You see that picture?

• 1:02:55Speaker 05

  That's so good. I love the car as a result of that picture.

• 1:02:57Doug DeMuro?

  You know what the problem is with these pictures? You see the pictures and you think to yourself, maybe I don't want to sell it.

• 1:03:02Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:03:03Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta be damn sure you're ready to sell when he takes the pictures.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  I have yet to have a client do that, but they all say the same thing. Can you send me a link to the full res? I want all the pictures. They all say that.

• 1:03:13Doug DeMuro?

  I want to frame the pictures of the car I'm selling.

• 1:03:14Speaker 05

  In the Cars and Bids history, we have had people do that for like great photographers. Like some people have said like, I'm really sorry. I, I can't sell this car anymore now that I see the listing and like the listing got me excited. The photos got me excited.

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  I almost want to hand it. I am. So there's a thing I do for some of my clients. Like when I take pictures of cars, I will then take, I did this for you with the Carrera GT and Nick with the Mercy. I'll turn it into an ad, like a factory. You use whatever text the factory said about the car. And then I send, have a picture printed and send it to them. But this will be one of those situations where I think it's

• 1:03:43Speaker 05

  What did the DB9 ads say?

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  I don't remember what the DB9. I have to look in. I haven't built, maybe yet. The car hasn't sold yet.

• 1:03:48Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I would like if I was one of your customers? I would like a scale model of a different car. An XJ.

• 1:03:54Speaker 04

  Just a random?

• 1:03:55Doug DeMuro?

  No. A late XJ Cherokee, like a 2001 Limited or Classic. Pull up an XJ, you'll see what I mean. Pull up an XJ Cherokee. Yeah. Why? I just always loved how those looked.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 1:04:07Doug DeMuro?

  But you don't want the car you're selling. You don't want a scale model of the car you're selling. No, go to carsandbids.com.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  We have sold XJs.

• 1:04:13Doug DeMuro?

  Type in XJ Cherokee. I'll tell you what. You know what I mean? Cause if you get a scale model of the car you're selling, it's like, well, I'm memorializing this thing. Yes. Late production. No, limited. Do this. Do this.

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Limited. I don't know what that means.

• 1:04:23Doug DeMuro?

  I almost bought this car.

• 1:04:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  Well, if

• 1:04:26Doug DeMuro?

  I have almost bid on many XJ Cherokees.

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  It was the first, my stepdad when we moved to the US had a pre-faceless, early XJ.

• 1:04:33Doug DeMuro?

  But this is a post, this is a final year car.

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  But you know what?

• 1:04:35Doug DeMuro?

  A Limited, it probably has leather. It still doesn't have rear headrest.

• 1:04:39Speaker 05

  Competitive.

• 1:04:40Doug DeMuro?

  No, but it was cool and people knew then it was cool. Everybody wanted a four liter.

• 1:04:43Speaker 04

  I'll tell you what. If you're good, Christmas is coming. Something I'll think about.

• 1:04:49Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the interior.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  Not saying I'll do it.

• 1:04:51Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the interior. What a, what a, what an interior, Kenan.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  Look at, look at that golf club steering wheel.

• 1:04:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  That was a post-faceless steering wheel, right?

• 1:05:00Doug DeMuro?

  It was in all these, and I think it was even in the Prowler. Or no, the Prowler's a little different, but it was a steering wheel.

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  Steering wheel with those two, designed for relaxed motoring.

• 1:05:09Doug DeMuro?

  Uh huh. Relaxed Midwestern motoring.

• 1:05:12Speaker 04

  That's right. Yep. Just listening to Willie Nelson on the radio.

• 1:05:15Doug DeMuro?

  These were horrible and that was the appeal. They were, they were, they were basic. See that? No rear headrest. By, by 2001, everyone knew that whiplash was a reality.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:05:25Doug DeMuro?

  And Jeep was still like, not only are we not gonna give you rear headlights, we're not even gonna contour the seat bottom. This is a bench.

• 1:05:31Speaker 05

  The middle seat didn't have a three point belt, I don't think.

• 1:05:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, when did that become law? Right around then. It was the early 2000s.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  2000, the year it ended. I will say early Jeeps were, were so go back to the XJ Cherokees. There was like a 85 that looks real clean.

• 1:05:47Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, we had, we had.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  Eighty-five?

• 1:05:48Doug DeMuro?

  I never liked the old one as much.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  That top row one. It has

• 1:05:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the upper right?

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:05:52Doug DeMuro?

  The blue one. Look at that.

• 1:05:54Speaker 05

  Look at that. That's what a Cherokee, when it was good.

• 1:05:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, this is a 2.8 though. This is a 2.8 car.

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  You could get a 4.0.

• 1:06:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but they, I don't think that's even true. But at this point, they had the 4.0?

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  I thought so.

• 1:06:05Doug DeMuro?

  By, in 85? Or this is an 89? This probably did have a 4.0 or was offered at least. Yeah, it does.

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  Uh, 87 was the first year of 4.0.

• 1:06:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, these were great. They were so good.

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:06:17Doug DeMuro?

  A scale model, this is the one. Those two.

• 1:06:21Speaker 05

  Damn, I should have bought

• 1:06:22Doug DeMuro?

  You want those wheels? I love these wheels. I love, at the very end, 2000 and 2001, they started throwing on all these wheel designs that all looked good.

• 1:06:30Speaker 05

  The 98.

• 1:06:30Doug DeMuro?

  The car looked good. So if you go back to the originals, that wheel looked good, that wheel looked good, that one, that one. All of these like last couple model year run out wheel designs looked amazing.

• 1:06:41Speaker 05

  Although the early ones.

• 1:06:42Doug DeMuro?

  Don't even get me started on the Grand Cherokee North Face Edition. Oh, you want to see a good wheel? Pull it up. I bet we've sold one.

• 1:06:50Speaker 05

  I don't think we have.

• 1:06:51Doug DeMuro?

  Well then what are we doing? We're not even a real company. The Grand Cherokee North Face has one of the great stock wheels of its time.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  What year?

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, oh, they did a new one?

• 1:07:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:01Doug DeMuro?

  The Avenger North Face. I think like 2003, Kenan.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:07:06Speaker 05

  Good year.

• 1:07:06Doug DeMuro?

  May have been the Freedom Edition. I can't remember how exactly it was badged. This. Whatever this is. Look at those wheels. Those are beautiful.

• 1:07:14Speaker 05

  Yikes. Yikes.

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  Will they, will they color match to the car?

• 1:07:20Doug DeMuro?

  No, they were all gray.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:07:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. We can move on to questions. Most of this should be edited out. We got, we were just waxing nostalgic about Jeeps. By the way, that was a four liter Jeep that was great too.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  Uh.

• 1:07:32Doug DeMuro?

  Speaking of, the first question is from Stills400. And by the way, you can ask us questions on the YouTube video. There will be a posted comment that says, questions, ask them here. And then you can post your, you can ask your question and then I will find it and answer it. That's where you do it. You go to the YouTube video for our podcast.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  Post?

• 1:07:52Speaker 04

  We can.

• 1:07:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:54Speaker 05

  Can we do that?

• 1:07:54Doug DeMuro?

  It's somewhere on YouTube, folks. Good luck. Anyway, the first question comes from Stills400. This is a high quality operation. Like, like the XJ Cherokee at the very end.

• 1:08:06Speaker 05

  Yep. Best engineering went into it.

• 1:08:08Doug DeMuro?

  Regulations can we avoid?

• 1:08:10Speaker 05

  Twenty years ago.

• 1:08:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. From Stills400, name a car in the past that was just seen as a normal car in period, but is now seen as an enthusiast car today. Every four liter Jeep. I was there.

• 1:08:20Speaker 05

  You're not wrong.

• 1:08:21Doug DeMuro?

  Nobody cared about those cars.

• 1:08:23Speaker 05

  You're not wrong at all.

• 1:08:24Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, basically every 90's car.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:08:28Speaker 05

  A lot though.

• 1:08:28Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of 90's non-enthusiast cars have become enthusiastic. The Lexus LS is such a great example. That was seen as like a BS grandma car. Everybody was so soft and awful and all the kids, the cool kids, thought all cars like that were bad. And now that the world has twisted, drifted into SUVs, suddenly all those cars have become cool again. That Camry from that era is cool. And I remember how much that car was hated by enthusiasts. It was like the antithesis of what we represented.

• 1:08:55Speaker 05

  Wallowy and

• 1:08:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 05

  I think every very reliable car from that era, the, the 4.0 Jeeps, that, the Crown Vics

• 1:09:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:09:03Speaker 05

  are now

• 1:09:04Doug DeMuro?

  Crown Vics were just cars.

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  They were just cars.

• 1:09:06Doug DeMuro?

  And now they're like cool. You can't say anything bad about them.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  Cars that your grandma drove, probably. And now like it's any of the cars that like were long lasting and durable.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Basically just picturing Radwood. It's like, that's like the kind of cars that show like

• 1:09:18Speaker 05

  But a lot of them are like that, that Chevy Sprint Turbo.

• 1:09:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, there is a cool Radwood.

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  Cars that were cool.

• 1:09:22Doug DeMuro?

  Enthusiast. Yeah, yeah. Those were cool. Those, those, those 90's Audis were cool even in period.

• 1:09:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Doug DeMuro?

  But, but yeah. And you know what's, I think durability has been a marker of cool.

• 1:09:32Speaker 05

  It's why you buy those.

• 1:09:33Doug DeMuro?

  Devils are not considered that cool because they had a North Star, which was trash.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 1:09:37Doug DeMuro?

  But like they were, the town car is cool.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Doug DeMuro?

  Because it had a, the intake or the modular V8 and that was cool.

• 1:09:44Speaker 05

  Also in that category, every JDM car. Cause like you, you, you see Corollas imported that are somehow cool because they're right-hand drive and have funky seat designs.

• 1:09:53Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think sometimes about how many people are driving around in a JDM used car who are not

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Doug DeMuro?

  enthusiasts?

• 1:09:59Speaker 05

  They're just

• 1:09:59Doug DeMuro?

  Must be ton, they're cheap and reliable, often super low mile.

• 1:10:03Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:10:03Doug DeMuro?

  Must be tons of these people. South Dakota plates, like just trying to make it work.

• 1:10:06Speaker 05

  They live in non-California.

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  Think there are tons of these people at all.

• 1:10:09Doug DeMuro?

  They exist. Oh, Kenan, so many thousands of these JDM cars have been brought in and then sell for $4,000 on the used market. They are not only selling to enthusiasts.

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  I know they're very cheap, but I have yet to run into someone who isn't an enthusiast who drives one.

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  Search JDM.

• 1:10:22Doug DeMuro?

  We only know car enthusiasts. We don't know a single person who's not a car enthusiast. If you entered our life, you would think that everybody has a manual transmission and rear wheel drive.

• 1:10:30Speaker 04

  That's true. We either have car enthusiasts or people who know nothing about cars in our life, which is kind of the way I like it.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:10:35Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, look at this Ryan Lopez.

• 1:10:36Speaker 05

  Right. That is such a Subia Veretta.

• 1:10:38Doug DeMuro?

  Man.

• 1:10:39Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 1:10:39Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Why is Ryan Lopez not sitting in one of these?

• 1:10:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:10:42Doug DeMuro?

  Well, right.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  Ryan, get on it.

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Uh, but like, you just went.

• 1:10:47Speaker 05

  Scroll back up to the ones that are live, because they're relatively indicative. They're Crown Royal, which has 2JZ, but that's about it.

• 1:10:53Doug DeMuro?

  This car, this Corolla Fielder, I was, I've actually been looking at a lot because I didn't know they did a wagon version of the 03 Corolla.

• 1:10:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Doug DeMuro?

  This will not be bought by an enthusiast. This will be bought by.

• 1:11:02Speaker 05

  This is a stick. I think we sold them with an automatic, and that certainly won't.

• 1:11:06Doug DeMuro?

  But this will be bought by someone who like, needs to get to, to community college. And he may be an enthusiast, but that's not why he's buying this car.

• 1:11:13Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:11:13Doug DeMuro?

  He's just driving. He's got his South Dakota plate on, hoping he's not gonna get state raft.

• 1:11:17Speaker 05

  I did not know about the Toyota Kami, which is the.

• 1:11:20Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to like, the Kami.

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  That's the Daihatsu Tarios.

• 1:11:23Doug DeMuro?

  The Kami, yeah. Look at this thing. It's a Daihatsu Tarios. The wheels are way too big. The three spoke on the trunk is what it should be driving on. You see that three?

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, the wheels are too big.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Love me a good three spoke.

• 1:11:33Speaker 05

  Oh, that three spoke looks so good.

• 1:11:34Doug DeMuro?

  This is a cool car. Ah. These are tremendously capable. They could go down roads or light dirt roads.

• 1:11:40Speaker 05

  Hey, it has a locking center diff.

• 1:11:42Doug DeMuro?

  Go back, yeah, see?

• 1:11:44Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:11:44Doug DeMuro?

  The locker, you got a locker.

• 1:11:45Speaker 05

  Also a short wheelbase, which is perfect.

• 1:11:47Doug DeMuro?

  Keep going down. By the way, you know where a ton of non enthusiasts drive these cars is the Acties and the.

• 1:11:51Speaker 05

  On every farm and suburban subdivision.

• 1:11:55Doug DeMuro?

  All right, go back to, keep going down on these JDM things.

• 1:11:58Speaker 05

  I miss your.

• 1:11:58Doug DeMuro?

  There's so many good ones.

• 1:11:59Speaker 05

  Your, um.

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  S-Cargo.

• 1:12:00Doug DeMuro?

  My S-Cargo, you can get another one.

• 1:12:01Speaker 05

  My, my best friend and Italy's mom drove a Suzuki Jimny when that came out.

• 1:12:05Doug DeMuro?

  Like, do you think an enthusiast spent five grand to buy this automatic, random hatchback?

• 1:12:10Speaker 05

  I mean, yes, because they're on Cars and Bids.

• 1:12:11Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe buying it as an enthusiast's move, but. This will end up with the, the buyer of this car, he will get tired of it after three months. His cousin will then drive it.

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:12:19Doug DeMuro?

  And she'll be like, well, it's right-hand drive, but it was free.

• 1:12:22Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:12:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, that's the answer to your question, Still's 400, most cars. Uh, next question, this is one for Kenan.

• 1:12:29Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:12:29Doug DeMuro?

  Who is a noted hater of technology.

• 1:12:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's true.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Love it.

• 1:12:33Doug DeMuro?

  From C Hernan Men, C R Hernan Men. Are there any unusual car features that you initially believed you wouldn't utilize? But you have grown to appreciate?

• 1:12:44Speaker 04

  Uh, well, there are, this is gonna sound like I really am coming out of the Dark Ages, but when I had my SLS 65, just having keyless entry was so nice. Like, that was, I had never had that in a car before. And like, that was like, I don't know why it took me that long to realize, but I don't know, I just really loved that. But, no, there are some, like, uh, blind spot monitoring is nice. Like, the fact that a car will light up, especially in, I like that. Um, I still have yet to find a radar-guided cruise control system that I enjoy.

• 1:13:09Speaker 05

  Drive my.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  They all stay way too far back from everybody, and it's just kind of irritating.

• 1:13:13Speaker 05

  Why are you tailgating?

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  Not tailgating, it's just like if.

• 1:13:15Speaker 05

  I wanna tailgate.

• 1:13:17Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I mean, isn't that the point of having radar cruise control? A machine is driving the car. Why does it have to be 40 car lengths back?

• 1:13:21Speaker 05

  Because if you, if you're a machine, you wanna be assured that you can stop in time. And distance is what ensures that.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  It can stop in half the time it falls.

• 1:13:30Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, have you ever seen, have you ever seen an escalator? They can start, they go, and then, boop. They don't need like, distance to stop. They can go, like, or, or anything, anything. Machines can just be.

• 1:13:41Speaker 05

  No, no, no, but, but cars don't, because they have substantial.

• 1:13:49Speaker 04

  Have you ever seen?

• 1:13:49Speaker 05

  What kind of escalators do you want?

• 1:13:51Doug DeMuro?

  Escalators are big, but they're bigger than my car. And they stop, boom, like that. Boom. You can stop an escalator if there's an emergency.

• 1:13:57Speaker 05

  They actually don't stop that.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  It is like explaining something to Jeremy Clarkson, it's wild.

• 1:14:01Doug DeMuro?

  Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Maybe big auto makes the cars stop slower, because an escalator is big, and if you have an emergency, you press the button and boom, it stops. The cars take a little time. Why is that? Big auto is screwed.

• 1:14:12Speaker 05

  Escalators go much slower. If an escalator is going 30 miles per hour, or 60 miles per hour.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  What noise does the escalator make?

• 1:14:19Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think that?

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  It would take a while to stop, yes, because it's all friction-based.

• 1:14:23Doug DeMuro?

  I think that they could stop an escalator if they had to. They could really put a stop to that.

• 1:14:29Speaker 05

  If it was going 60 miles per hour, which, good luck.

• 1:14:34Speaker 05

  It would take a, it would take a second to stop.

• 1:14:36Doug DeMuro?

  I, I think we gotta do a little Mythbusters here.

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  I don't, I think, uh, it's whatever.

• 1:14:41Speaker 05

  Sorry, to stop more than once. One time, a car can stop real quickly if it hits a wall.

• 1:14:46Doug DeMuro?

  Well, okay, that's something too.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:14:48Speaker 04

  Well, it's not the speed that gets you.

• 1:14:49Speaker 05

  But that's not the point of the radar, that is cruise control.

• 1:14:51Doug DeMuro?

  Well, maybe it should have hit a simulator wall. And, and that way it would stop quicker.

• 1:14:57Doug DeMuro?

  Big brain stuff. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

• 1:15:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's like that video where Tesla, it's like that video where they put the carpet up in front of the Tesla, but it's painted like a road.

• 1:15:09Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta figure that out. This is, folks, if you work for the auto industry, this is your next thing to figure out.

• 1:15:14Speaker 05

  Have you considered hitting a simulator wall?

• 1:15:16Doug DeMuro?

  But have it pretend to hit a wall, and then it'll stop faster. It'll stop, this is good stuff.

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  My goodness.

• 1:15:21Doug DeMuro?

  I don't understand why I have to think of all these things.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  It's surreal.

• 1:15:25Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, Filippo, you got an answer to this question? Features you initially believed you would.

• 1:15:28Speaker 05

  I used the massaging seats that I never thought I would.

• 1:15:30Speaker 04

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 1:15:31Doug DeMuro?

  All right, here's.

• 1:15:32Speaker 05

  Like, a long road trip, it's nice.

• 1:15:33Doug DeMuro?

  This is an actually good question for me and you, from Emira Hojaijai.

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  Is that the capital of?

• 1:15:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Um, the question is this, can you rank?

• 1:15:50Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, Le Jubel John, pronounce it correctly.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  My apologies.

• 1:15:55Doug DeMuro?

  Can you rank the generations of BMW 7 Series?

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  E38, number one.

• 1:16:00Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, do you think that?

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  I think so. It's the best looking, it was so well-built, it's sedate.

• 1:16:09Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, famously reliable.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  Well, the V, yeah, I mean, well, it's an HBM, well, okay, name a reliable 7 Series.

• 1:16:15Speaker 05

  Oh, wait, that's the problem. The, the I7.

• 1:16:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the current I7.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  Only because it has a warranty.

• 1:16:20Doug DeMuro?

  Came out yesterday afternoon.

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:16:23Doug DeMuro?

  Been dead reliable. I've done 2,300 miles in this car, no problem.

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  I've nearly driven this car for one day.

• 1:16:28Doug DeMuro?

  Have way fewer parts.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  Um, I think that, I don't know. We have to say E65 is bottom, right? Yeah, E65 is last.

• 1:16:36Doug DeMuro?

  Unless you wanna call E23 bottom.

• 1:16:38Speaker 04

  I might, E23, I just.

• 1:16:41Doug DeMuro?

  But E65's bottom.

• 1:16:42Speaker 04

  But E65 still feels the bottom to me, it just goes like, there's no.

• 1:16:45Doug DeMuro?

  I totally agree. E38 is top, there were, by the way, there are seven generations. E38 is definitely top, E65 is definitely bottom.

• 1:16:52Speaker 04

  And I think.

• 1:16:53Doug DeMuro?

  And that's reflected in their values. The E38 is worth the most, $19,000, and the E65 is worth the least, free. And every other BMW 7 Series generation fits in a value, in, in terms of value, in between those two, even the new ones.

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  They'd appreciate that quickly.

• 1:17:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm telling you, you should go on CarMax. You can get like, a four-year-old 7 Series for like, $27,000. It's unbelievable.

• 1:17:17Speaker 04

  I'm still waiting for M760s to come down. They're still, they're getting there, but they're still in the 40s.

• 1:17:22Doug DeMuro?

  They're getting there.

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  They're getting there. I really, really want one of those.

• 1:17:25Speaker 05

  Do you care about the generations between the F?

• 1:17:27Doug DeMuro?

  The F01. Because I actually think that the F01 is the next best after the E38.

• 1:17:32Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:17:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:33Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:17:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:35Doug DeMuro?

  What, what, what, you, what is? What are you gonna say is the E32?

• 1:17:38Speaker 05

  Might be.

• 1:17:38Doug DeMuro?

  No. Absolutely not.

• 1:17:40Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:17:40Doug DeMuro?

  That thing drives so, so large.

• 1:17:43Speaker 04

  No, I think, because it's the, the next one, which is the G.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  The G11, G12.

• 1:17:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, that.

• 1:17:48Doug DeMuro?

  That's the one with the M760.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  That, I think, is the second best.

• 1:17:51Doug DeMuro?

  I'll give you, I'll stipulate, E38, and then either F01 or G11 next, and whichever one isn't that, that's the next.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  You looked at an F01 recently?

• 1:17:57Doug DeMuro?

  I li, I always liked how they looked.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  They're looking old.

• 1:18:00Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up F01s, I always loved how those cars looked.

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  Obviously.

• 1:18:02Doug DeMuro?

  I, I love F01s, and I love the, the, the F10s.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  Of course, they're all, all of ours are gonna be obvious.

• 1:18:10Doug DeMuro?

  That, that car, go, go back.

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  That one's cool. There was an, an LD.

• 1:18:15Speaker 04

  That looks good, this is a face of the.

• 1:18:17Doug DeMuro?

  That's a nice-looking car, you can't tell me it's not.

• 1:18:19Speaker 05

  It's fun.

• 1:18:20Speaker 04

  It's pretty good.

• 1:18:20Doug DeMuro?

  That's a nice-looking car. It's not like, standout beautiful, but it's not a go, it's a nice-looking car.

• 1:18:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's not a go.

• 1:18:26Speaker 04

  I'm trying to find a really early.

• 1:18:27Doug DeMuro?

  This color is the one I always associate with this car.

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  Oh, that, that pewter, what is this called? This is a cashmere.

• 1:18:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:34Doug DeMuro?

  But regardless, so we agree E38, and then either F01 or G11 is next.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:18:39Doug DeMuro?

  Although, current one is really a nice car.

• 1:18:41Speaker 04

  The current one, I would put probably third. I know, you and I are like, two of the only people in the world who like it.

• 1:18:46Doug DeMuro?

  You know, actually, I might put current one second.

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  No way.

• 1:18:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  Now you're just being Jason Camisa, and you're just being a good inflammatory.

• 1:18:52Doug DeMuro?

  It's good.

• 1:18:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's good, they're all.

• 1:18:55Doug DeMuro?

  And it has so much.

• 1:18:55Speaker 04

  They're all good when they come out.

• 1:18:57Doug DeMuro?

  Heinous.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  I like the way it looks, but it's not the best.

• 1:19:00Speaker 05

  That's the take?

• 1:19:01Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, it's not the best-looking, but he, he's, you're over here telling me this is old. What, so what looks good? You think the, the G11 looks that good?

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I think the G11 looks, the G11 looks so nice. It still looks like a really expensive car.

• 1:19:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 1:19:17Speaker 05

  Oh my god, 20 grand, you're right.

• 1:19:18Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, they're so cheap. I'm telling you, go on CarMax.

• 1:19:20Speaker 05

  That, that, that 760i was 40, the one we sold.

• 1:19:23Speaker 04

  I know, we're, this one, I think, had an accident.

• 1:19:25Doug DeMuro?

  Go on CarMax. They're, they are, our Cars and Bids.com.

• 1:19:28Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:19:29Doug DeMuro?

  We don't sell that many of these, but CarMax has a bunch.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  No, but I, I think that is, if I've, when I see one of those. This is a 60. When I, when I see one of those, I like, I nod.

• 1:19:39Doug DeMuro?

  All right, fine. That's second, current's third, F01 is next. Then all we have to do is choose between E32 and E23. Pick them as far as I'm concerned.

• 1:19:46Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:19:47Doug DeMuro?

  And E65 is dead last, whether you're referring to the E65, the E66, the E67, or the E68. And Kenan, can you name what those all are?

• 1:19:56Speaker 04

  Well, the E65 is the short-wheelbase, E66 is the long-wheelbase, E60s.

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  I don't remember. Isn't there like a, isn't there like a one for the Chinese market?

• 1:20:07Doug DeMuro?

  No. The E67 was the protection.

• 1:20:10Speaker 05

  Protection.

• 1:20:12Doug DeMuro?

  And the E68 was the hydrogen.

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  The hydrogen? How could I forget the hydrogen?

• 1:20:16Doug DeMuro?

  Well, everyone else did.

• 1:20:17Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:20:18Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember the X6 Active Hybrid? Do you remember this? For like an afternoon, they made a hybrid X6, the first gen.

• 1:20:25Speaker 05

  First gen X6s were weirdly popular in Italy. I remember driving around, like you would see them inexplicably.

• 1:20:32Doug DeMuro?

  What happened to that car?

• 1:20:33Speaker 05

  When was the last time you saw one of these on the road?

• 1:20:35Speaker 04

  The Efficient Dynamics badge on the side of it.

• 1:20:37Doug DeMuro?

  Never.

• 1:20:38Speaker 05

  Do we sell, have we sold any?

• 1:20:39Speaker 04

  No way.

• 1:20:40Speaker 05

  Type in X6.

• 1:20:40Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:20:41Speaker 05

  We don't sell that.

• 1:20:41Speaker 04

  We've sold the newer gen.

• 1:20:42Speaker 05

  We've sold some Ns.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  We've sold some Hms.

• 1:20:44Speaker 05

  We've sold.

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  Ns price on 550i, right? Cause they did that with the.

• 1:20:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, and we sold some other first gen.

• 1:20:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, here's a first gen. 51,000 miles, sold for eight. Oh my god.

• 1:20:52Speaker 05

  They are free.

• 1:20:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, valve seals.

• 1:20:54Speaker 05

  Now we know what happened to them. They all went to La Joubel Jolana.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  That's exactly what happened.

• 1:20:59Speaker 05

  The only Active Hybrid we've sold is a 3 Series.

• 1:21:02Doug DeMuro?

  What a shame. Okay, next question. We did a good job with the 7.

• 1:21:06Speaker 04

  I feel like, but all that matters, I think every enthusiast can agree, E38 on the top, E65 on the bottom.

• 1:21:12Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely. Okay, next question, and this is an interesting question that we haven't thought about, Filippo. From Zev Meth, Original Jewish Music. Would Nick or any of the other crew ever think of selling or buying a car via Hoovy's new Hooptie Lot? It just hit me, that question. Hoovy is a competitor. Hoovy is a competitor of ours.

• 1:21:32Speaker 05

  Nick will buy a car from him at some point.

• 1:21:33Doug DeMuro?

  We must crush him. We must crush Hoovy. We cannot allow Hoovy to compete with us. What's he selling right now? Anything?

• 1:21:40Speaker 05

  I'm looking. Thehoopdelot.com?

• 1:21:42Doug DeMuro?

  Is that what it's called? Thehoopdelot.com?

• 1:21:45Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. He's got a Buick Encore, he's got a Jeep Renegade, he's got a Buick Regal for four grand. You can get a loan application.

• 1:21:52Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god, this is good stuff. There's nine cars. A Buick Encore for 11, he's got a 1990 Ford Ranger for 3,500 bucks.

• 1:21:59Speaker 05

  To be fair, his prices are reasonable.

• 1:22:01Doug DeMuro?

  The prices are reasonable, the cars are.

• 1:22:03Speaker 05

  6.0 Wrangler.

• 1:22:04Doug DeMuro?

  How about this 07 Titan, dude?

• 1:22:06Speaker 05

  5.6.

• 1:22:06Doug DeMuro?

  Two 6.0 Wranglers. Folks, if you want a two-wheel-drive Titan with a bug shield, there is not a finer one between Tulsa and, and Scotts Bluff, Nebraska than this right here. You will not find a better one.

• 1:22:19Speaker 05

  Hoovy.

• 1:22:20Doug DeMuro?

  Don't worry about the two-wheel-drive thing. Take it to Oklahoma.

• 1:22:23Speaker 04

  Taking pictures.

• 1:22:24Doug DeMuro?

  Vertical photos.

• 1:22:26Speaker 05

  Mobile first.

• 1:22:27Doug DeMuro?

  Good for TikTok.

• 1:22:27Speaker 05

  Mobile first.

• 1:22:30Speaker 05

  Tyler, please give us a call. We just need to make sure you're okay.

• 1:22:33Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, what? Go back up. What, what happened here? Oh no.

• 1:22:36Speaker 05

  Oh no, Russ.

• 1:22:37Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, I take back my comment. There are nicer two-wheel-drive Tundras between Tulsa and Scotts Bluff. But you won't find a nicer one in Southern Kansas, I'll tell you that.

• 1:22:46Speaker 05

  Oh man, that, that driver side, Russ also there.

• 1:22:51Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, seven grand will get you. He's also got an I3. How many lots you think have an I3 and an 07 Titan?

• 1:22:58Speaker 05

  More than.

• 1:22:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god, wait, go back to, this is the deal of the lot.

• 1:23:01Speaker 05

  Four grand, I know.

• 1:23:01Doug DeMuro?

  Four grand for a Regal?

• 1:23:03Speaker 05

  Also, the, these engines, if memory serves, are reliable. Cause they were in everything.

• 1:23:06Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you the reason you want this car?

• 1:23:08Speaker 05

  You can manu swap it.

• 1:23:10Speaker 04

  Painting great.

• 1:23:10Doug DeMuro?

  These cars are so unknown by the public that you can commit crimes in them. And when you're, when you're driving away, nobody knows what car you have.

• 1:23:19Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 1:23:20Doug DeMuro?

  It was a car.

• 1:23:21Speaker 05

  It was a good car, too.

• 1:23:21Doug DeMuro?

  It was a car, officer. That's all I remember.

• 1:23:23Speaker 05

  This is better known than the Saturn Aura?

• 1:23:26Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, dude, they're both, it's a rough situation. This was the next gen, though.

• 1:23:32Speaker 05

  No, I'm aware.

• 1:23:33Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know if you are. Okay, next question.

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  Stock image for the About Us.

• 1:23:39Speaker 05

  This is his lot, right?

• 1:23:43Doug DeMuro?

  What, what, that's like, it's a Peugeot dealer, right? Or Citroen? Isn't it, are those the Citroens? This one here?

• 1:23:50Speaker 05

  Quality, we get calls at TNA Ventures LLC.

• 1:23:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, dude, in Kansas. This is, this is deep Hoovy. He's got good stuff.

• 1:23:55Speaker 05

  His YouTube video says, "My car dealership failed to make a profit."

• 1:23:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well, he's, the Regal will sell Hoovy. You'll get, you'll make 600 on that.

• 1:24:02Speaker 05

  Oh, he's, he's got a lot of other cars coming. They just all have major problems.

• 1:24:06Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next, next question from, the ones that are listed don't have major problems. Ranger. Click on that Ranger. If a car has ever screamed, does not have major problems more than this, god, I don't know what it is. This car so clearly is mint.

• 1:24:23Speaker 05

  Mint as my. Tyler, we love you, but I have a lot of questions.

• 1:24:26Doug DeMuro?

  There's a gooseneck trailer in the background, just like there is in the background of every, every lot in, in rural Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico.

• 1:24:35Speaker 05

  Go check out the Hooptie Lot on YouTube, where you can learn about how Daniel said tow it, but Hoovy badly damaged his Chevy truck's front axle by driving it.

• 1:24:41Doug DeMuro?

  That taillight is not gonna, Hoovy will give you a warranty on that taillight, folks. That won't, he promised you that taillight won't come out in the next two weeks.

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  You know what?

• 1:24:49Doug DeMuro?

  Or you get your money back on the taillight.

• 1:24:51Speaker 04

  I'll give you a Midwestern. Someone glued that in there and they went, eh, it's not going anywhere.

• 1:24:55Speaker 05

  You gotta tap it a few times, but then it came out.

• 1:25:00Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, okay. The next question comes from Jvan1942, and it's a good Kenan question. Do you think the Ferrari California prices have reached their floor? No. And do you think with current, the current direction of the brand, that Californias may appreciate in value as buyers continue to feel alienated by Ferrari of today?

• 1:25:18Speaker 04

  Let me do the math here. Carry the one.

• 1:25:20Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:25:21Speaker 05

  I think they could appreciate someday, just like Mondial's have.

• 1:25:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they're, they're up.

• 1:25:25Speaker 04

  You know, they went from 40 grand to 42 grand?

• 1:25:28Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they'll appreciate with inflation.

• 1:25:30Speaker 04

  You know, I did the.

• 1:25:33Speaker 04

  The rising tide of inflation will lift those boats off the bottom of the seafloor. No, I actually like the first gen California. I like the way they drive. I don't mind the way they look personally. I like the way they sound. I think they offer a bargain and a great driving experience. There is a stigma you have to get over it being the cheap Ferrari, but I also like, kinda like the Mondial, too.

• 1:25:51Doug DeMuro?

  The thing about Mondial's is they were maligned forever, but now offer what a lot of people are looking for, which is a vintage experience with a gated transmission, an old-school feel, a real V8. And someday, people will feel that way about the California. As long as Ferrari keeps making cars like the heinous Luce, even the Luce Reich in an addition. Ultimately, someday the California with a naturally aspirated V8 is gonna seem like a pretty attractive car.

• 1:26:12Speaker 04

  The nice, very few left. And also, do they have to go, do they have to go for value? I hope not. Like, I kinda, kinda hope there is an accessible, I realize it's still an expensive car, but like, an accessible Ferrari that people can go and enjoy. And I think they drive, anybody who's actually driven one, spent time in one, it's fun.

• 1:26:27Doug DeMuro?

  I have a feeling the California will never become like truly cheap and will someday be more desired than what Ferrari makes in the future.

• 1:26:35Speaker 04

  I saw one Transact for like 42 grand recently, somewhere. I should not be named.

• 1:26:38Doug DeMuro?

  You get my point, though. Like, someday, in the world of electric cars, whatever, they'll look at this like they look at the Mondial now. NAV8, old-school, has a sound, has a feel, and there will be some value there.

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  Those wheels, gotta have.

• 1:26:51Speaker 05

  NAV12, like the DB9 has, so it's certainly propelled those values from 28 to 30.

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  Well, we'll see.

• 1:26:57Speaker 05

  Well, no, manual, but automatic.

• 1:27:00Doug DeMuro?

  Go, speaking of cheap, go to the DB7. You see that DB7?

• 1:27:02Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:27:03Doug DeMuro?

  Go to the DB7. DB7s are the bargain of the century right now.

• 1:27:06Speaker 05

  I can't believe this. Why did we not buy that car?

• 1:27:09Doug DeMuro?

  Why did you not buy this car?

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  I should've. Well, I don't, I can't deal with it.

• 1:27:15Doug DeMuro?

  Do you understand what this is, Kenan?

• 1:27:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:17Doug DeMuro?

  This is a V12 manual.

• 1:27:20Speaker 04

  DB7 Vantage. Yeah, this is the DB7 to have, and it sold for under 20 grand.

• 1:27:26Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know what Vantage meant?

• 1:27:29Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:27:30Doug DeMuro?

  V12.

• 1:27:31Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, for the DB7, yes.

• 1:27:34Doug DeMuro?

  Or Vantages.

• 1:27:35Speaker 04

  Yes, I thought you meant like, in general, in Aston Martin.

• 1:27:37Speaker 05

  No, no, the word makes, has no meaning. It's Aston Martin.

• 1:27:39Speaker 04

  Of course, like, the Vantage existed.

• 1:27:41Speaker 05

  That is a separate car that didn't just have a V12.

• 1:27:43Speaker 04

  Correct. And then there's one after, which was only V8s until they put a V12.

• 1:27:47Doug DeMuro?

  You know what my favorite thing is? That's true. That's actually true, yeah. There was the Veyron, the Veyron Vantage.

• 1:27:51Speaker 04

  Aston Martin, we don't know what the hell we're doing.

• 1:27:53Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to DB7s. I want to tell you my favorite thing about the DB7. My very favorite thing is the way that the convertible top is stored.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Now, that's interesting.

• 1:28:01Doug DeMuro?

  On the drop tops.

• 1:28:02Speaker 04

  The fan push ended up.

• 1:28:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you know, click on that one. And then, no greater convertible stop stored.

• 1:28:07Speaker 04

  Yep, I've never, yep, I know.

• 1:28:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, subtle.

• 1:28:11Speaker 05

  Subtle. That's great.

• 1:28:12Doug DeMuro?

  Is a car even a convertible? It's a speedster.

• 1:28:15Speaker 05

  Blended it real well.

• 1:28:16Doug DeMuro?

  No one knows.

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  Is the top up or is it down?

• 1:28:18Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, what's in those horns on the back?

• 1:28:22Speaker 04

  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

• 1:28:24Doug DeMuro?

  You, you reviewed one years ago.

• 1:28:26Speaker 05

  I loved it, honestly.

• 1:28:28Speaker 04

  Okay, I've dig, I cannot believe how.

• 1:28:30Doug DeMuro?

  Two more questions. I know, it's a bargain.

• 1:28:32Speaker 05

  It's a bargain. If that comes up again, I will bet.

• 1:28:35Doug DeMuro?

  Two more questions. Uh, one from Dark Tango Fox. Filippo can do the acronym. Was, was, a lot of people ask this question, and I want to address it right here.

• 1:28:43Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:28:44Doug DeMuro?

  Head on. Was there actually a bird in the office? And if so, did you manage to let it out? So last week on the pod, halfway through, Nick, well, we were just chatting, Nick goes, "There's a bird. There's a bird right there." And, and he's like, "It's flying. It's somewhere. It's somewhere. Everybody, stop." He insisted there was a bird in the office. Now, the office is, is like 85 feet underground. There's no windows. There's no doors to the outside. No bird could possibly get in. It was obviously crazy, which Nick is.

• 1:29:11Doug DeMuro?

  And later that night, we were talking to Nick, and he told us that, we asked him, we hadn't heard about his E55 station wagon in a while. By the way, short answer, no bird in the office. But I'll get back to that. We, you know, you know the story I'm gonna tell. We were asking why, why we hadn't, hadn't heard about his E55 station wagon in a while. And he said, "Well, the reason is because the fuel range currently reads zero miles, and it's parked at my house." And I'm just, I, I know that the next time I drive it, I'm gonna have to deal with that.

• 1:29:41Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:29:42Doug DeMuro?

  And we said, "How did you let this happen?" He said, "Well, I was on a date night with my wife, and, and, and the mother-in-law was watching the kids, and we had to hurry back, and it was at six miles, and we decided to try to make it back." And he said, "So I haven't driven the car. It's been a couple of weeks."

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• 1:30:28Doug DeMuro?

  Zero miles. And, and so that's Nick, you know?

• 1:30:32Speaker 04

  That's Nick. Maybe he stops microdosing. I don't know what the.

• 1:30:34Doug DeMuro?

  At some point, he said to us during that same meal that he was the rational one of the group.

• 1:30:39Speaker 04

  Yes, he says, "I don't understand." He and his wife both say this. It's like, I'm not, Nick's not that crazy. I'm like, well. He tried to accuse us of being the people in, uh, one, a bird flies over the cuckoo's nest, and we're saying that the nurses are evil. It's like, no, Nick.

• 1:30:53Doug DeMuro?

  Conclusion to the bird story is that after Nick dropped this whole thing about the E55, Sean mentioned to us that our, our, uh, video editor slash camera assistant slash maker of things, Stafford Visuals.

• 1:31:10Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:31:10Doug DeMuro?

  He said that he also saw the bird, except it wasn't a bird, it was a notification on the screen.

• 1:31:18Speaker 05

  Close enough.

• 1:31:20Doug DeMuro?

  Look, it's like.

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  Want it flies.

• 1:31:24Doug DeMuro?

  That was the bird.

• 1:31:27Speaker 04

  He's just.

• 1:31:27Doug DeMuro?

  So that's Nick, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  Crazy Nick, stick's living up to his name.

• 1:31:32Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, final question.

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  Flop everything.

• 1:31:34Doug DeMuro?

  Final question. This is from ST. Sean wants me to do this question.

• 1:31:37Speaker 04

  Oh, sure.

• 1:31:38Doug DeMuro?

  Final question from ST Rediter 14.

• 1:31:41Speaker 04

  So an Alfa Romeo based question?

• 1:31:43Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, Doug, there are a few tennis tournaments throughout the year where the winner is given a car. And, and, and by the way, when these tennis tournaments happen, the car is parked on the sidelines of like the center court. And so it's like sitting there the whole time. Like if you win the tournament, you'll get this car. It's like sitting right there always. But the question is, if each of the four slams gave the winner a car, what would it be?

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 1:32:03Doug DeMuro?

  And that's Australia, France, Wimbledon, and then the one in New York City, which is happening right now.

• 1:32:08Speaker 04

  It is.

• 1:32:08Doug DeMuro?

  What an interesting concept. Filippo, if you were to win the Australian Open and they chose a tenant, a car to symbolize Australia, what would it be?

• 1:32:16Speaker 04

  What do you, what do you want, Filipe?

• 1:32:20Speaker 05

  I assume that Mitsubishi will use all of their marketing budget to advertise.

• 1:32:23Doug DeMuro?

  So true. Cause Mitsubishi has an actual presence in Australia. And they would be desperate to have the car sitting there at center court. Hoping to God that the one and two seeds ended up in the final.

• 1:32:35Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:32:35Speaker 04

  There comes Filipe. It's just this serve stands between him and a new Mitsubishi.

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  And he waffles it. He missed the bloody shot.

• 1:32:46Doug DeMuro?

  All right. What about France?

• 1:32:48Speaker 04

  Ah, France.

• 1:32:49Doug DeMuro?

  What BS electric hatchback would they put there? Does France sell any car anymore that is desirable?

• 1:32:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:56Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, the one that looks like the five, the electric version.

• 1:32:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but those are probably like real cars.

• 1:33:01Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, that's what I want.

• 1:33:02Doug DeMuro?

  But they would want to use this as an opportunity to advertise.

• 1:33:04Speaker 04

  If I'm at Roland Garros, that's the car.

• 1:33:07Doug DeMuro?

  You agree they would want to use this as an opportunity to like advertise a car.

• 1:33:11Speaker 05

  They wouldn't want some. C5 Aircross.

• 1:33:12Doug DeMuro?

  It would be some BS.

• 1:33:14Speaker 05

  Uh, or Bugatti, French.

• 1:33:17Doug DeMuro?

  And then at the end, when, and then at the end, when the winner is contractually obligated to explain what he's going to do with the car, he, by the, by the, by the tennis tournament, he would say, uh, give it back.

• 1:33:28Speaker 05

  Uh, C5 Aircross is the car. And I think it's still for sale.

• 1:33:31Doug DeMuro?

  It was like a minivan?

• 1:33:34Doug DeMuro?

  I would submit to you that France, aside from some very particular little one-off things, does not make a car that would be sufficiently exciting to sit on the side of the French.

• 1:33:44Speaker 05

  The Renault four and the Renault five, they're, those EVs are cool.

• 1:33:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that's.

• 1:33:48Speaker 05

  They're like very like retro, but not, but not Tennessee.

• 1:33:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And also.

• 1:33:52Speaker 04

  But they're painted like tennis balls.

• 1:33:53Doug DeMuro?

  Those aren't cars they're having trouble selling is my point. Like, there was a time when it would have been a Citroen C5.

• 1:33:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:59Doug DeMuro?

  Because that was like the flagship.

• 1:34:00Speaker 05

  Or, or the C6.

• 1:34:02Doug DeMuro?

  Are there any big Sedans even out of?

• 1:34:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they're all.

• 1:34:05Speaker 04

  If you were, if you were playing at Roland Garros and the C5 where the car, when would you just maybe throw that game?

• 1:34:12Speaker 05

  You just don't want to deal with it.

• 1:34:13Speaker 04

  I believe they'll give you today.

• 1:34:15Doug DeMuro?

  DS would be a new Defender.

• 1:34:16Speaker 05

  The DS7.

• 1:34:18Doug DeMuro?

  Wimbledon would be like a Defender Octa. Although is that, maybe that's not classy enough for like the, the grass court.

• 1:34:23Speaker 05

  Defender. Um, the Citroen DS7.

• 1:34:25Speaker 04

  It'd be like an electric Range Rover.

• 1:34:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it'd be the new electric Range Rover. That is exactly right.

• 1:34:29Speaker 05

  Or the Velar.

• 1:34:29Doug DeMuro?

  The new electric Range Rover.

• 1:34:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:34:32Speaker 05

  Uh, can you pull up the DS7?

• 1:34:33Doug DeMuro?

  The DS7?

• 1:34:35Speaker 05

  It's there. It's like the lux, most luxurious French car you can think of right now. It's not a Citroen really. It's DS is its own brand.

• 1:34:40Speaker 04

  Oh, that's right. I forgot.

• 1:34:42Doug DeMuro?

  You're right. This is what it would be. Cause it's like actually an.

• 1:34:44Speaker 05

  It's like luxurious, but it's now just an SUV, but it was a Sedan-ish looking thing.

• 1:34:49Doug DeMuro?

  In the French car world, this is as good as it gets.

• 1:34:53Speaker 05

  The E10.

• 1:34:55Doug DeMuro?

  I remember.

• 1:34:56Speaker 05

  I actually love, I've, I've had a couple.

• 1:34:57Doug DeMuro?

  I remember a different time.

• 1:35:01Speaker 05

  I love the 208. I've had two different cars.

• 1:35:04Doug DeMuro?

  You remember the Exanthea?

• 1:35:06Speaker 05

  Not a good, neither were good products.

• 1:35:07Doug DeMuro?

  Remember the DS?

• 1:35:08Speaker 05

  That was a good product.

• 1:35:09Doug DeMuro?

  Look at us. Look at where we've.

• 1:35:11Speaker 05

  Do you remember the, the Citroen C6?

• 1:35:13Doug DeMuro?

  Bonsoir.

• 1:35:14Speaker 04

  Ha foi, the mighty hell.

• 1:35:16Speaker 05

  Can you pull up the C6?

• 1:35:18Speaker 04

  So quit that, what?

• 1:35:19Speaker 05

  The, um.

• 1:35:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, the C6.

• 1:35:21Speaker 05

  The C6 with the great taillights and the.

• 1:35:23Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you said great. Everyone thought they were heinous and no one bought the car.

• 1:35:26Speaker 05

  I didn't say they were good.

• 1:35:27Speaker 04

  Cool. That, that, that weird treatment.

• 1:35:30Speaker 05

  And good are two different things.

• 1:35:31Speaker 04

  That is insane.

• 1:35:32Speaker 05

  Absolutely insane.

• 1:35:32Speaker 04

  That's what I want from the French.

• 1:35:33Doug DeMuro?

  Have you ever seen one of these?

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:35Speaker 04

  Ken, I've never seen one in person.

• 1:35:36Doug DeMuro?

  You've never seen one in person?

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  I would love to.

• 1:35:38Doug DeMuro?

  If you went to France for a period of about four years, you saw them in there and they're now completely gone.

• 1:35:43Speaker 04

  I looked the entire time I was in France last year, did not.

• 1:35:45Doug DeMuro?

  No, no one's running one of these anymore.

• 1:35:46Speaker 04

  They did not make it. Surprise, surprise. But God, that's cool.

• 1:35:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. There was a time, I'm telling you, there was a time the French set up. Uh, anyway, in the UK, it would be, it would be the new electric Range Rover. And in New York City, it would be a slightly damaged five-year-old Chevy Suburban.

• 1:36:00Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:36:01Doug DeMuro?

  Black ice.

• 1:36:02Speaker 05

  It'd be.

• 1:36:02Doug DeMuro?

  Air freshener.

• 1:36:03Speaker 05

  Three. It'd be an Escalade, right?

• 1:36:04Doug DeMuro?

  That's New York City.

• 1:36:05Speaker 05

  It'd be an Escalade.

• 1:36:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Speaker 05

  Has to be Escalade.

• 1:36:08Doug DeMuro?

  You think Cadillac? They're busy doing Formula One. They can't.

• 1:36:11Speaker 04

  Not well.

• 1:36:11Doug DeMuro?

  But they were based there briefly.

• 1:36:13Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:36:15Speaker 05

  No other manufacturer is.

• 1:36:17Doug DeMuro?

  In New York City? No manufacturer's based in New York City?

• 1:36:19Speaker 05

  Infiniti may have also moved. There actually may have been a signature move of you.

• 1:36:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they only have five employees. They, they just, they rented a, they're doing a WeWork. They're out of a WeWork in Palm Square.

• 1:36:29Speaker 05

  Yep, that's right.

• 1:36:29Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, that's our podcast for the day. Filippo, do you have anything else you want to plug?

• 1:36:33Speaker 05

  Uh, just.

• 1:36:34Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, no, nothing. Thank you so much.

• 1:36:38Doug DeMuro?

  Thank you so much for listening. Ken, great to have you here.

• 1:36:40Speaker 04

  A pleasure to be here as always.

• 1:36:42Doug DeMuro?

  Our finest podcast of all time. Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:36:45Speaker 05

  Goodbye.