Bonus: Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Kurt & Courtney Conspiracies, and…Constipation?

In this week’s After Party, Jake discusses the spirited online response to our Nirvana episodes and wonders why Courtney Love continues to be the the target of vitriol and suspicion. We look at the wild and mysterious life of Screamin’ Jay Hawkins who allegedly had over 57 children. Plus, Disgraceland is hitting the high seas. And as always, your voicemails, texts, dms, and emails and more. Disgraceland has been nominated for a Signal Award! Vote for us here: Best Writing https://vote.signalaward.com/PublicVoting#/2026/shows/craft/best-writing Best Music Podcast https://vote.signalaward.com/PublicVoting#/2026/shows/genre/music See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:10Jake Brennan?

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• 2:14Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand, the after-party.

• 2:43Jake Brennan?

  Do people actually believe that Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain? Or do they just hate Courtney Love so much that they cannot accept the fact that Kurt killed himself?

• 2:58Jake Brennan?

  I've asked this question a couple of times before. The first time it came up, of course, was when we released, originally released our Nirvana episodes, our two-part story. It's basically on Kurt and Courtney. And we had them in the rewind feed this past weekend. And we excerpted parts of that story for some content on Instagram. And the response has been, I mean, I knew the response was going to be what it was. I didn't know it was going to be as intense as it was. I know that there's a large group of people out there who believe what they believe about Courtney Love, and it's not what I believe clearly. And I knew that they were going to be upset by the fact that we were pointing

• 3:43Jake Brennan?

  out this anecdote from the couple's past where Kurt overdosed. I talked about this last week in the after-party. He overdosed and Courtney saved his life. The response is not only intense, again, this is on social media. It's on Instagram. It's also, it's also pretty hysterical.

• 4:04Jake Brennan?

  It's very flattering, guys, to think that Courtney Love would pay me to do publicity for her. It's very flattering to think that people believe that I'm an industry plant. It's, but it is kind of ridiculous and fascinating. It's more fascinating to me than it is ridiculous. And it deserves some unpacking. Because, again, I've looked at everything out there, including, of course, soaked in bleach, including the new so-called evidence that has come out over the last 12 to 18 months, whatever it is.

• 4:46Jake Brennan?

  And yes, there's a lot of compelling, I don't want to call it evidence, circumstances, compelling circumstance, excuse me, to the death of Kurt. There's a lot you could pull to paint some sort of narrative, some sort of picture here that points fingers at Courtney Love, but there's no actual evidence. And if there were, my God, man, don't you think? Don't you think that Courtney Love would be held accountable? Okay, but hold on, let's just go back. I want, I'm more interested in the why, like where this disdain comes from.

• 5:30Jake Brennan?

  Now, on the one hand, I get it. Courtney Love is an outrageous person. She always has been, even in the last two decades of her career here, where she hasn't really been as in the public eye as she was in the 90s and in the early 2000s. She is still outrageous, truly, in the truest sense of that word. She is outrageous. Okay, she says things that are meant to drive you crazy, to get attention. She does truly outrageous things. I know two people personally who went to her house and had the same story. She showed up, she answered the door, basically, not basically, she answered the door naked. Okay? And that's just me.

• 6:14Jake Brennan?

  I cannot imagine what it's like for people who actually know Courtney Love. But I'm guessing that most of the people in the comments section on our Instagram page do not know Courtney Love. And I'm also pretty sure that most of the people who are saying these ridiculous things, making these ridiculous comments, aren't DisgraceLand podcast followers. Some of them are. Most of them are just DisgraceLand Instagram followers. And there's a difference. A lack of understanding of nuance, I think, is the main difference. But whatever, that's a different story. My point is, I don't know amongst those of you who are listening now, I don't know how many of you are as convinced that Courtney Love killed Kurt

• 6:59Jake Brennan?

  as a large portion of people on the internet are. And that's because I think most of our podcast listeners are, I think you guys are smart. I think you guys are well-informed, and I think you know how to process information. However, I do understand, because I get the emails, that there's, there's some of you who still think that she did it. And I'm truly interested in hearing from you and hearing, hearing why. But again, that's the point here. Why? Why do people think this? She, okay, she's outrageous. There's a lot of outrageous rock stars.

• 7:33Jake Brennan?

  Does that make them killers? No, it does not. But Courtney Love, she just scratches this particular itch for people that is, that is unique. She's truly hated. And I try to not hate anybody, like nobody. I just don't, I don't believe in hate. I don't even like, I don't like saying that word. I'm not trying to get up on a moral high horse here, but it's, it's, it's, I try to get at like, okay, why is this person doing this ridiculous stuff? And to me, Courtney Love just strikes me as a very cold and calculating

• 8:08Jake Brennan?

  Machiavellian type of entertainer, of which there are many in history. And I know you're hearing these words come out of your mouth and you're going, dude, listen to what you're saying. These are the exact qualities of a killer. Well, it takes a lot to kill somebody and get away with it, a real lot, especially in the public eye, especially when you're someone like Courtney Love. Especially when Kurt Cobain is one of the biggest rock stars in the history of rock and roll, in the history of pop, in the history of entertainment.

• 8:34Jake Brennan?

  So it just doesn't stand, it just does not pass the smell test. None of the evidence. And I wish, I wish I woke up this morning and had the time to go through all the evidence again and come here. And, you know, maybe, maybe that's what I should do. I should actually, I've been planning on doing this Courtney Love, Courtney Love episode for some time, and I'm waiting for this documentary to come out so that I have more information, more of the story. Cause I know there's going to be real revelatory stuff in, in that film. And I just, I just, it was supposed to be out by now. It's not. So I keep punting this episode down, down the line. And, but maybe what I should do instead, maybe what the audience is telling

• 9:18Jake Brennan?

  me here is I should actually litigate the facts in an episode. And in a really open-minded way, in a way that not, not necessarily to prove my point, but to unpack my point and, and, and pressure test my point.

• 9:38Jake Brennan?

  Cause I'm truly, I'm truly, my jaw's on the floor, this reaction.

• 9:45Jake Brennan?

  Don't mean to laugh, but it is kind of funny when you read these comments. Now, of all the rock stars throughout history.

• 9:56Jake Brennan?

  Courtney Love is singular. But if I had to choose one rock star to compare her to, and it has nothing to do with her relationship with Kurt Cobain, it has nothing to do with the death of Kurt Cobain and how he died. If I had one rock star to compare Courtney Love to, it would be Sid Vicious. Courtney Love is a better musician, she's a better songwriter, of course. But as far as being an entertainer, being a rock star, behaving like a rock star, Sid is the best con, because Sid was completely outrageous as well, and said things just to get a rise out of people, and just to get attention,

• 10:38Jake Brennan?

  and all those sort of things that Courtney, I believe Courtney learned them from Sid Vicious, from watching Sid Vicious. And there's some irony here, too, because Courtney Love is in Sid and Nancy. But you don't get, it's interesting, because Sid is caught up in this murder mystery as well with Nancy, but you do not get this hatred for Sid that you get for Courtney Love. And I want to know why. I mean, he did truly outrageous, the guy wore a swastika for the entirety of his career, okay? I mean, I get the context, okay? So, you know, OG punk rockers, don't come at me for being critical of that. I'm just pointing it out.

• 11:22Jake Brennan?

  There's a lot, my point is that there's a lot there with Sid that you could actually, that could drive you fucking crazy and cause you to be super critical of the guy, and perhaps come up with, I don't know, wild conspiracy theories, or not even, I mean, the stuff with Nancy, it's a stone cold whodunit with Nancy, I think. And we're going to get into that later as well. Of course, we touched on Sid and Nancy before, but you know, if you talk to old school New York punk rockers and hardcore kids, they all have a very clear idea of who killed Nancy. And I'm interested in unpacking that, but I'm getting off topic.

• 12:04Jake Brennan?

  Why don't people hate Sid Vicious the way that they hate Courtney Love? What is it? I mean, is it misogyny? Is it because he's a man, he's not a woman? I don't think so. I don't think those of you who listen to this podcast and are Disgrace Land listeners and are convinced that Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain, I don't think you're misogynist. Now, could a large portion of the people in the Disgrace Land comment on Instagram, could that be at the core of their belief? Perhaps, I don't know, I haven't really dug into it. Maybe I will. There's just something about her, or maybe there's not. Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way.

• 12:49Jake Brennan?

  Maybe it's because there's something about Kurt. Kurt Cobain is a lot different than Nancy Spongen. Kurt Cobain, at least for our generation, for Gen X, there was nobody more important, there was nobody bigger, there was nobody who reached as many people, there was nobody who had the cultural impact in music. He was our John Lennon, our Bob Dylan. He was all of it rolled into one. And I do think there's something psychologically with music fans where they cannot let go. I see this with Michael Jackson fans, I see this with Elvis Presley fans, and I see it with Kurt Cobain fans.

• 13:32Jake Brennan?

  It's a little different than it is with, I don't know, like, you know, Lane Staley fans, or Pickett, Tom Petty, you know what I mean? Not that those guys weren't great, they were, they were truly incredible. But they weren't Kurt Cobain, Michael Jackson level. You know what I'm saying? And maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe in the absence of actually dealing with our sort of icon grief, we cannot accept the fact that the answer is the answer. We don't want to let, we don't want to accept it, because then it prompts another level of letting go.

• 14:16Jake Brennan?

  And if we can hang on to, I don't want to call it a conspiracy, but if we can hang on to these, I guess it is a conspiracy, we can hang on to these alternate theories, whatever you want to call them, about their deaths, we can keep their stories alive, and the myth certainly grows. And maybe that's on some sort of subconscious, psychological level, what's happening here. Or maybe people just think Courtney Love is a fucking crazy person, and contains the capacity to do something like murder her husband and get away with it for all these years publicly, which I have a lot of respect for Courtney Love. That might shock a lot of you, but I don't have that level of respect

• 14:59Jake Brennan?

  for her cunningness to think that she could pull that off. But again, I'm going to look into it more fully. I'm going to respect the people who are showing me no respect in the comments, and I'm going to dig into this and see if I have some sort of artist bias, historical bias, whatever type of bias, and see if I'm wrong here. See if, I'm going to look at this information again. I've looked at it, like I said, Matt really looked at it. He really went at that dossier of info that came out about 18 months ago. And we had a big, big talk about it. I'm going to even watch fucking Soaked in Bleach again,

• 15:41Jake Brennan?

  and that knucklehead from The Mentors, and that whole theory. And I'm going to entertain, I guess, all the stuff about her dad, even though just because you were associated with the Grateful Dead does not make you a member of the CIA. I'm going to look into all of this, I think. But most important, I want to hear from you guys. I want to hear from you listeners who don't normally engage, and who think that Courtney killed Kurt, and I want to know why. And there's no stupid answer here, okay? There are no stupid questions, there are no stupid answers. I really want to understand this, because it's some sort of phenomenon that's unique to rock and roll history, and it's fascinating to me. I thought I was done with it, I'm not. So there's that.

• 16:25Jake Brennan?

  If you're on Instagram, and you're not following Disgrace Land, @disgracelandpod, and you want to see what I'm talking about, there's two, or there's maybe four posts about Kurt and Courtney over the last week. And there's one carousel post, which is this post that's like a series of images, and it's a little story that we tell, along with the images, pictures, and quotes. And that's the one that really, really got people going. Check that out, let me know what you think. And email me at disgracelandpod. And I want to get into these theories, I want to get into your thoughts, and I want them to inform the episode that I'll probably start to put together within the next sort of four to six weeks, I'm guessing. And it'll be a straight up whodunit.

• 17:09Jake Brennan?

  Obviously, we covered a lot of ground in the Nirvana story thus far. I'm not going to retread that, I'm just going to get into the actual death and the theory that Courtney killed Kurt. Now, as outrageous as this theory is, there are more outrageous theories from rock and roll history. Truly weird, unhinged, completely ludicrous ideas about rock stars. I've had my fun with some of these theories before in the past. The idea that John Denver was one of Vietnam's most prolific American assassins. The idea that Jim Morrison is the Zodiac Killer, I kind of made that up.

• 17:53Jake Brennan?

  There's some other ones, the notion, some people think Stevie Wonder can see. Some people think that Jay-Z is a vampire. We're going to get into some of the more outrageous rock star conspiracy theories and have some fun with this in the exclusive section of this episode. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up, become an All-Access member, unlock exclusive content just like this, plus ad-free listening. Zeph and I will be in there momentarily, and we will be giving you all this insanity and more. All right, so talking Kurt and Courtney, because they're in the Rewind feed this last week. And then we released our new episode on Screamin' Jay Hawkins this past Tuesday.

• 18:35Jake Brennan?

  Coming up after this after-party, guys, we've got a Rewind episode on Eminem. That's gonna, now that I think about it, that's going to cause some problems as well. But Screamin' Jay Hawkins fathered 57 children. Did you guys know this? It's part of rock and roll mythology, for sure, and it's something that came out, I don't know, decade or two ago. Always fascinated me, 57 children. When Jay Hawkins died, it was revealed that those children were out there, and most of them were illegitimate and unknown to him. Friend of his asked Screamin' Jay if he ever sent his children money, and Screamin' Jay responded, "Well, that's the mother's problem."

• 19:19Jake Brennan?

  Solid dude that he is. Screamin' Jay Hawkins is one of these guys who bounced between record labels as much as he bounced between wives and girlfriends in one-night stands. And when he was on his deathbed, he supposedly asked a new friend of his, an investment banker, to track down all 57 of his children. So the banker set up a website called jayskids.com, and received upwards of 2,500 submissions from people claiming to be Screamin' Jay Hawkins' progeny. So approximately one year after Screamin' Jay's death, a total of 36 legitimate children had been identified.

• 20:03Jake Brennan?

  But not one of them went to his funeral. Now, to his three legitimate children that he knew of, the children that he had with his first wife, Anna May, Screamin' Jay Hawkins left $1 each.

• 20:19Jake Brennan?

  This is fucking crazy. I don't understand the $1 thing. I really don't. Like, why leave them anything? You know? Is it just a diss? Is it a way of being cute? Or was it legitimately like, a heartfelt, "I got nothing and I want to show them I care"? It's really fascinating to me. Screamin' Jay Hawkins is completely fascinating to me. You can hear all about him in the new episode, if you haven't already, perfectly timed for the spooky Halloween season that we have just entered. As is the Eminem episode. Now Elvis Presley died on the toilet. Eminem launched his career on the toilet. Gross, I know. Grosser than the Constipation Blues song we were talking about last week, but it is true. It was Christmas,

• 21:03Jake Brennan?

  it was also Eminem's daughter's birthday, and M was broke and back in his mom's trailer, and he was constipated and on the toilet, and he took notice of how skinny he was, and inspiration struck. Skinny, slim, slim, shady, Slim Shady. He grabbed a nearby pen and notebook, and the lines just flowed out of him, page after page of words that became the song that would help Eminem break through and launch his career. More than that, the Slim Shady alter ego concept that M conceived on the can gave Eminem the creative shield that he needed to explore incredibly dark themes in his raps. Themes that attracted millions of listeners and led to his 1999 Slim Shady album going quadruple platinum.

• 21:45Jake Brennan?

  And it all started, well, now you know where it started. More on Eminem in this upcoming archive episode of the Disgraceland Podcast. That's hitting this weekend in the feed. Then after that, on Tuesday, our new episode on As I Lay Dying. And we're asking the question, is the Christian music scene full of phony faith leaders? Now, Tim Lambiesis, singer for the Christian metalcore band As I Lay Dying, the frontman. This is a band, guys, that would regularly pray with their fans after shows, okay? Now, he, this frontman, Tim Lambiesis of As I Lay Dying, admitted to being an atheist, and he claimed that the majority of Christian metal bands that he toured with were not actually Christian.

• 22:27Jake Brennan?

  What he said was that only 1 in 10 of the bands in the scene were actually sincere about their faith, and that the rest were fake Christians. Now, Tim Lambiesis' band, As I Lay Dying, they weren't some fringe act. They were nominated for a Grammy, they released an album that charted in the top 10, and all of that was because of their devoted fans, Christian fans who believed in the band's faith-based message. But the story of Tim Lambiesis in As I Lay Dying, it's not just about Christianity and whether or not people are charlatans, it's about murder. Because in 2013, Lambiesis was arrested after paying an undercover cop disguised as a hitman to kill his wife. Obviously not

• 23:10Jake Brennan?

  a very Christian thing to do. We get into the story of Tim Lambiesis in As I Lay Dying and the whole Christian metal scene in the new episode of Disgraceland. So do not miss that. That's coming on Tuesday. And when you're listening to this As I Lay Dying episode, what I want to know from you guys, what music do you listen to that compels you to think about faith? I don't mean something that's converted you to a religion. That's not what I'm saying. You know, I personally believe that the mystery of faith is something to be contemplated, is something to be confronted, okay? And a lot of music has done that for me. I think about Dylan's Christian album, Slow Train A'Coming. For some reason, I think of Moby's Play. That record always kind of makes me think about my faith and think about

• 23:53Jake Brennan?

  faith in general, I should say. I think about gospel, bluegrass music. I tend to listen to that a lot on Sunday mornings, okay? And it's all for this reason. It's kind of propelling me in this direction, to think about faith. So what music does that for you? Is it As I Lay Dying? I don't think so. It's not for me anyways. But you know, what music do you listen to that has pushed you to confront faith, to think about faith? And it's a little heavy, but I don't care. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. Get at me. We'll get into it. You might hear yourself in next week's episode of the Disgraceland Afterparty. You can always DM me at @disgracelandpod on the socials as well, [email protected] on email.

• 24:38Jake Brennan?

  I'll be back right after this with your answers to last week's question of the week, your voicemails, texts, all that stuff. Hang on.

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• 25:56Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, welcome back. Let's get straight into your calls. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. This one comes from the 903 on the subject of Screamin' Jay Hawkins.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, Adam from Texas now in Maryland. Screamin' Jay Hawkins. I can't help but remember you said that he was addicted to coding at one point. Yeah, I can block his bowels too. So obviously he died of a blocked bowel. I would guess the coding addiction had something to do with it more than anything. But as you said, we don't know, because everybody you look, you hear a different story. So us in our, you know, current factory thing, what we feel might be right, must be right, of course, in that the way things go these days. Just my only thought on that, like, great episode of mine, just insane on the 54 kids, and I don't even know what to say about that. Anyway, love the episode, love

• 26:53Speaker 05

  the show. Rock and roll. Out.

• 26:56Jake Brennan?

  Adam, thanks for the call, my man. Appreciate you. 54 kids, 56 kids, 57 kids, 36 kids, whatever it was, it was a lot of kids. Just as crazy. And I feel for those kids, who hopefully some of them found a dad elsewhere, somehow. Yeah, the coding, intestinal blockage as well. A lot of intestinal blockage talk over these weeks in Disgraceland. Who knows? Who knows how Jay died? Wouldn't it be ironic if one of his kids did him in? Let's go to Kelly in the 781.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  Hey Jake, this is Kelly from the 781. I have not called in a while, I'm sorry. I was just re-listening to the Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love episodes again, and I'm just calling about your question, did Courtney Love kill Kurt Cobain? And I think absolutely no. And I am down for conspiracies. I think that, as they say on another podcast I listened to, the difference between a conspiracy and the truth is six months. And really, that's how it's been lately with all the craziness. But no, I have never thought that she killed him. I always thought that was ludicrous. Why would she kill him, number one? What did she gain from that? I mean, she had her own money, she had whatever. She loved him.

• 28:14Speaker 06

  She did not kill him. I think that's ridiculous. Rock and roll.

• 28:19Jake Brennan?

  Kelly, the voice of reason. Appreciate you calling in. I'm with you. I do not think Courtney Love, obviously, we talked about this earlier. I'm going to get into the specifics, though, and I'm going to unpack this for the people who do think so. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text. We can keep talking about Courtney Love, we can talk about Jay Hawkins. We can talk about anything you want to talk about. 302 writes in, and 302's very angry. Says, Jake, my friend, if your question of the week isn't, "Are you one of Screamin' Jay's kids?", then we, as a Disgraceland society, don't deserve shit. I don't quite understand what that means, 302, but a lot of passion there. "Are you one of Screamin' Jay's kids?"

• 29:01Jake Brennan?

  617-906-6638, voicemail and text. Get back and let me know. 405 writes in, "After a long hiatus that life often imposes on us all, I have had a lot of catching up to do. And while I'm late to the game, I had an existential experience in listening to your piece on Patti Smith. I listen to a lot of podcasts, and you always bring your A-game, but your work on Patti Smith took me to a place in my mind and the universe that is only reserved when that rare moment of clarity hits. You recently spoke of the new mediums for good writers, and your episode on Patti Smith is up there with the great pieces in..." Wow, thank you. "In modern..." That's me saying thank you. Goes on to say, "is up there with the great pieces in modern pop culture literature, in The New Yorker, Rolling

• 29:44Jake Brennan?

  Stone, and those other magazine rack grabs that molded the youth of the 1970s, 80s, and 90s. Don't Stop Writing, Rock and Roll, The Notorious RDG." From the 405. Notorious RDG, thank you so much. Really cool of you to say. I appreciate that. Yeah, that episode was nominated for a Signal Award. If you guys want Disgraceland to win, as I do, because like I said, once you get nominated for an award, it's a double-edged sword. You don't want to lose. I hate fucking losing. I don't like, I don't like the concept of, oh, it's just nice to be considered. Fuck that. I want to win. So help me win. Help us win.

• 30:26Jake Brennan?

  Go to the website, signalaward.com. You can, big button right there, click Vote Now. You find Disgraceland nominated for Best Writing and Best Music. Thank you, Matt Boden. Thank you, Shonka Halen. Thank you, Ryan Spraker, for all the amazing work you guys do on the music for Disgraceland. And I like that you're being acknowledged here, as well as my writing. And thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate it, RDG. That is, you know, I'm humbled. I truly am. Helltown Mark from the 978 writes in, "Hey, didn't really expect to be adding a blues song about constipation today, but here we are." And there's a screenshot

• 31:06Jake Brennan?

  of Helltown Mark's phone where he's selecting Constipation Blues and adding it to the Disgraceland Songs playlist. Mark, do me a favor and call in and leave us a voicemail. You're great on the text, but I want a voicemail, and I want you to explain to the people what this is, so that I can explain it more fully. I'm getting hit up on Instagram. People are asking about this playlist, and I want to let them know exactly what it is and where they can find it. This is an ongoing thing. I get at least one message per week. So, call back. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text.

• 31:43Jake Brennan?

  416 writes in, "On our Quincy Jones episode, hey, great Q episode. I really identified with what you said at the beginning of the after-party episode. All throughout high school, I was told, you're going to become a writer. You're going to write stuff. What did I do? I became a clinical psychologist, researcher and professor. Turns out I write for a living. It started with the BA, the MA, the PhD dissertation. When people say, oh, you're a psychologist, what do you do? I reply, paperwork. I see my job is trying to tell the client's story through these very long reports, but I tell them that my job is not to get it right. My job is to get it right for them. Now, of course, people tell me I should have a podcast because I love telling stories. This is the way of the world now. This is how you get your stories out. This is how you speak your truth

• 32:26Jake Brennan?

  about life. Rock-a-roller." Well, Jason in the 416 is a very interesting text. You sound highly educated and I'm glad that you're getting your money's worth and that you finally became a writer in a roundabout way, just like I did. It's crazy how these things happen. All right, 617-906-6638. Voicemail and texts. Get at me. Leave a voicemail, send a text, recommend some episodes. Give me your answers to the question of the week. What music inspires you to confront or contemplate your faith? I know it's heavy, but who gives a shit? Let's get into it. We know each other.

• 33:08Jake Brennan?

  We've known each other for a while. It's been a while since I've been out there and I'm getting out there, getting out there in the new year. It's gonna happen. Get this cruise planned and we're going to be staging a live version of DisgraceLand. Haven't done a live show in a while. We're gonna be doing it on a ship, Virgin Voyages, Zeth and I. Gonna be taping, filming, perhaps a live episode of the DisgraceLand podcast and after-party. And we need you there, okay? We're gonna make this disco-centric. This cruise does not happen until March 20th,

• 33:51Jake Brennan?

  2027, so you got some time. And this would make just a fantastic Christmas present, okay, for you and your girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband, whatever, buddy, pal, I don't know. You're DisgraceLand fans, just come on out. And if you order now, if you book now, I should say, you can score up to a thousand bucks in savings, 70% off, 70% off your, what they're calling, second sailor. It sounds fun. Not as fun as the first sailor. I imagine that means the person you're going with gets 70% off. And you get a $300 onboard credit that I'm sure you can put towards all kinds of stuff on the ship. Go to virginvoyages.com/truecrime and grab your spot.

• 34:36Jake Brennan?

  This is gonna sell out. This is March 20th, 2027. We're sailing out of Miami and we're heading to Grand Turk. It's gonna be five nights. It's not just gonna be me. It's gonna be, it's gonna be me and Zeth, like I said, but it's also gonna be the Buried Bones podcast. That's an Exactly Right Network podcast and it's gonna be Wise Crack. Wise Crack is the podcast of the year, last year. Very big show. Again, five-night cruise begins March 20th, 2027. There'll be all kinds of stuff going on besides the show. I'm gonna be hanging out. Zeth's gonna be hanging out. It's gonna be all kinds of true crime-themed happenings onboard, podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes

• 35:16Jake Brennan?

  sessions, meet and greets, all that stuff. Again, you book now, you're gonna get $1,000 in instant savings, 70% off your second sailor, which is not your first mate, and up to $300 of onboard credit, okay? Go to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime, book your ticket, book passage, as they say. Pick out a good Hawaiian shirt and let's get into this. All right, I will be back in a flash with your emails. Don't go anywhere.

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• 37:00Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, [email protected]. Hit me with your emails. This one comes from Neil Gillis. Neil Gillis, the subject is ranking dread episode suggestion. Ranking dread. Story has everything. Sound system, clashes, political riots, fleeing multiple countries, bringing the yards from Jamaica to the UK, Canada and US. And he made great music. Tell me, Fatty Boom Boom is not great music. Rock-a-roller. Ranking dread, Neil. I am, I am embarrassed to say, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but the passion in this email is such that I'm going to note it and I'm going to put this on the list. This is something that sounds like it would allow

• 37:43Jake Brennan?

  us, I need a way into Jamaican music that is not Bob Marley or Peter Tosh. And this sounds like it might be it. And I'm very interested. Robbie Thring writes in, "Hey Jake, it's your neighbor in the upstairs apartment." Have you, what, what the fuck are you talking about? Robbie goes on to say, "Have you watched Last Stop yet?" And no, it's not a Western or an old TMC classic. Think more along the lines of Tarantino. Just watch it. I guarantee you'll like it. If you don't, I'll buy you a pint of Moosehead next time you're in Toronto. Also, oh, I get upstairs apartment. Now I get it. He's in Canada. Robbie, I like how you did that. I like how you did that. You did explain it. Robbie goes on to say, "Also, another point, I just discovered this band,

• 38:25Jake Brennan?

  The Silver Apples from 1968. They sound like nothing from that era. They were so far ahead of their time. It's incredible. They were a synth rock band before there was synth. Anyhow, check them out. After you've watched The Last Stop. Cheers." From the 519, Waterloo, Canada. Love these recommendations. You guys are killing it this week. Robbie, great job. Silver Apples, I've heard of them. Never checked them out, but I'm excited to check them out and do that today, actually. 1968, huh? Synth before there was synth. And The Last Stop. You didn't give me much to go on here, but I don't know, there's something about the way you wrote this that I feel like you're a guy I need to pay attention to, Robbie. So I'm gonna check out The Last Stop, all right? At least I'm gonna talk to Zeth about it. See if he's, see if he's got a take and then

• 39:10Jake Brennan?

  I'll, I'll dive in. Maybe, perhaps, I think. Let's see. In any event, I really appreciate the message. [email protected]. You guys want to hit us up about anything over email, that's the way to do it. Heather the Yinzer on Patreon writes, "Hey, what happened to the old rock stars with no fucks to give content?" Well, I don't really know. I'm reading this comment out of context, so it's hard for me to tell Heather, but I'm gonna look into that. Pete on Patreon writes, "Feast of the Mau Mau makes I Put a Spell on You sound like a Celine Dion Jam." Feast of the Mau Mau is a Screamin' Jay Hawkins song, for those of you who are interested. Thank you, Pete. Tim on Patreon writes in, "Hey, is it me or does this episode

• 39:52Jake Brennan?

  just sound different? More natural, less bass or decibels or something? Sounds good, just different." I don't know. Tim, maybe it's your settings. Or maybe, maybe Matt did something different. Matt, did you do something different? Let us know. All right, guys, it's October. We're nearing the end of the year. We gotta get together and figure out what episodes we are going to produce for next year. This, talking directly to the discos who are part of the Sound and Fury membership in our All-Access Club. We've got a episode of this film we have to produce next week. Perhaps we can hook something up for the week after, for a Zoom, where we can all jump on and you can bring your recommendations and we can have a more of a sort

• 40:36Jake Brennan?

  of organized discussion about what we want to produce for next year. We can get into that more fully. Zeth and I will have some information in the Patreon in the coming days about when we're gonna do this. In the meantime, start thinking about what episodes you want us to produce. Come to this, come to this Zoom prepared, just like Zeth Lundie comes to the Hollywood Land feed every week, prepared. He's talking to you guys in the wrap party, as am I with our recommendations. He's talking to you in the screening room, setting up our watch for the weekend. And of course, we've got our archive episode over there as well. Make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood Land. Go to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio app, wherever

• 41:18Jake Brennan?

  you listen to podcasts, search Hollywood Land and subscribe. Our next episode on this film should be played loud. It's Halloween, so we're gonna be doing Shaun of the Dead, which was a recommendation from a bunch of you guys over on Patreon. Like I said, we're gonna be filming that next week, I believe. Yeah, next week, I think. Coming up though, that's coming up end of the month. You want in on all this All-Access action, you gotta go to disgraceampod.com to sign up to become an All-Access member. You're going to get this film should be played loud. That's our monthly video podcast. You're gonna be able to chime in with us, get on a Zoom, talk to me, talk to Zeth, talk to us, recommendations, give us your thoughts on

• 42:03Jake Brennan?

  episodes, subjects we should be covering, directly influence the programming here. Go to disgraceampod.com to sign up and to unlock ad-free listening and also exclusive content, like the conversation Zeth and I are about to have right now. All right, back after this.

• 42:32Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we're about to get out of here. Before we do, just your weekly reminder that we have, mainly for new listeners, but also for some of the loyal, long time listeners. We're coming upon 300 episodes of DisgraceLand, massive archive stories on so many different musical artists from so many different genres. Hit me up, [email protected], 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, at disgracelandpod on the socials if you have questions about your favorite artists and whether or not we've covered them. And I can point you in the right direction in our massive archive. All right, let's recap before we get out of here. Number one, this week, our new episode on Screamin' Jay Hawkins. That's available for you to listen to right now.

• 43:14Jake Brennan?

  Number two, in the rewind slot this weekend, our classic episode on Eminem. Number three, next week, coming at you, our new episode on As I Lay Dying. Four, Zedd's gonna give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in the Hollywoodland feed, so make sure that you're subscribed. And I'll be giving you my music recommendations over there in the rap party. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our video podcast episode on Gross Point Blank is available for you right now. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become an All-Access member and unlock exclusive content just like this, along with ad-free listening. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget, Discos, this isn't just content, it's a community, a

• 43:58Jake Brennan?

  community of the obsessed, and no one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on February 12th, 2000, Screamin' Jay Hawkins died, and this is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, I Knew I Loved You, Savage Garden, last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 17. Number two, Thank God I Found You, Mariah Carey, featuring Joe in 98 Degrees, last week, 22. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 10. Number three, What a Girl Wants, Christina Aguilera. Last, number six, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 12.

• 44:43Jake Brennan?

  Number four, Get It On Tonight, Montell Jordan, last week, five. Peak position, four. Weeks on chart, 17. Number five, last week, 18.

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