Attract WEALTH & True HAPPINESS with THESE DAILY Habits | Robin Sharma

Welcome back to The School of Greatness! Today, we're thrilled to have the legendary Robin Sharma with us, a globally respected leadership expert and best-selling author. In this episode we dive into the common traps and mistakes that even the wealthiest people in the world fall into, and the areas that truly matter beyond material success. We discuss the difference between material wealth and authentic wealth, and Robin breaks down "The Habit Stack of Super Wealthy People," providing us with a roadmap to not just financial abundance, but a life rich in purpose and meaning. Get ready to redefine success and discover the secrets to authentic wealth and abundance with Robin Sharma. Buy his new book for yourself and a friend! The Wealth Money Can't Buy: The 8 Hidden Habits to Live Your Richest LifeIn this episode you will learnthe distinction between authentic wealth and the traditional definition of wealth, and why understanding this difference is crucial for a fulfilling life.the most influential form of wealth beyond money in today's world, and how it can impact your life and the lives of others.the percentage of people who are focusing more on themselves rather than on service, and why shifting this focus is essential for true wealth.three key strategies to transform a life of scarcity into a life of abundance, and how to apply these principles to your own life.how to successfully "disappear" for 6 months to focus on your craft in the age of social media, and still achieve success upon your return. For more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1599For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Eckhart Tolle – https://link.chtbl.com/1463-podRhonda Byrne – https://link.chtbl.com/1525-podJohn Maxwell – https://link.chtbl.com/1501-pod Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back to the School of Greatness, my friend. I'm Lewis Howes, your host, and today we are thrilled to have back the legendary Robin Sharma, a globally respected leader, expert, and bestselling author. In this episode, we dive into the common traps and mistakes that even the wealthiest people in the world fall into, and the areas that truly matter beyond material success. We discuss the difference between material wealth and authentic wealth, and Robin breaks down the habit stack of super wealthy people, which I loved, providing us with a roadmap to not just financial abundance, but a rich life in purpose and meaning. Get ready to discover the secrets to authentic wealth and abundance with Robin Sharma.

• 0:45Robin Sharma?

  You've got to believe in your vision when no one believes in your vision until the world believes in your vision.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  Today's guest is an international bestselling author. He's penned over 20 books, several of which have set sales records across the globe, and he was ranked as one of the top five leadership experts in the world, the bestselling author of the 5AM Club, Robin Sharma.

• 1:08Robin Sharma?

  Words are powerful. Words are programs. We talked about programming. One of the antidotes to limitation, scarcity, fear, is you start to reprogram by using wealth words. Words are very powerful, and they plant seeds in the subconscious which determine our behaviors. I'm going to get away from the noise so I can hear the signal, and I'm going to create something so beautiful, so masterful, so disruptive. When you come back and release it, I mean, people sniff quality a mile away, and they're aching for magic.

• 1:38Lewis Howes?

  What's the biggest thing you've had to let go of in your life that held you back the most?

• 1:42Robin Sharma?

  You always ask the hardest questions out of anyone.

• 1:47Lewis Howes?

  You talk about the habit stack of super wealthy people. Can you walk us through this habit stack that wealthy people have?

• 1:55Robin Sharma?

  First thing I would say is...

• 2:00Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring Robin Sharma in the house. You have sold over 25 million copies of your books. You have impacted millions of lives through your workshops, your speaking, your mentorship, your coaching. You've worked with some of the biggest athletes, superstars, billionaires, artists in the world. You've got a number of massive books, but you've got a big one out right now that I think is going to change a lot of lives. The Eight Hidden Habits to Live Your Richest Life. It's called The Wealth Money Can't Buy. I'm excited about this, but before we dive in, Robin, welcome back. I haven't seen you in a few years, but we've been connected over phone and texts and voicemail for a while. But I wanted to first start,

• 2:45Lewis Howes?

  before I jump into the first question, about the difference between wealth and authentic wealth, which I'm going to get to in a second. There is one thing that you told me in one of the last couple of interviews we've done that has really transformed the way I think and feel about myself and life. And I don't know if you remember this, but the first time we met, I was going through a big challenge in my life. I'd just gone through a breakup and I was dealing with some chatter and some confusion online and people trying to say nasty things about me. And I remember feeling a lot of emotional uncertainty. And this was happening maybe a week before you came on the show. And I was kind of unloading on you emotionally right before we got on.

• 3:29Lewis Howes?

  And you told me a line that I've said many times since five, six years ago, that I repeat all the time. When anyone else is going through a challenge in their life. And the line you said is that a bad day for the ego is a great day for the soul. And I've repeated that over and over again to people when they're going through a difficult time or when I'm going through a challenging time. So I first want to acknowledge you, Robin, for being at the right place at the right time for me when I was going through a challenge and sharing your wisdom from your experience in life when you've gone through challenges and just speaking life into me at the right moment for me. Because it really gave me perspective that a bad day for the ego is actually a great day for the soul.

• 4:13Lewis Howes?

  So I just wanted to start with that and thank you and acknowledge you for your wisdom and your experience. And, and we can get back to that, but I want to start with this question around wealth. Cause I think that also connects to wealth. I think a lot of people want to feel wealthy. And they think of financial wealth first. But you talk about these different levels of wealth in life. And I want to get to some of these other levels in a minute. But I want to ask you first about the difference between what is authentic wealth versus normal wealth. If we could start there.

• 4:50Robin Sharma?

  Sure. Well, first of all, we're really happy to be helpful.

• 4:52Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 4:53Robin Sharma?

  And thanks for being so generous in what you just said. So.

• 4:59Robin Sharma?

  We live in a fascinating world, Louis. We've been hypnotized and mesmerized by society. To believe that winning is a large stock portfolio. Get the yacht. Get the watch. Get the fame, fortune and applause. And one day you'll wake up and you'll feel fantastic. And anyone who has achieved those things will tell you, and just to use the Zen proverb, wherever you go, there you are. So I think too many good souls have fallen into a trap of thinking, if I just had the right amount of money and I achieved material wealth.

• 5:39Robin Sharma?

  Everything will be okay. Well, for 15 plus years, this is year 31, I've been in the personal mastery leadership field. But for 15 plus years, I've worked with many of the world's celebrity billionaires. Entertainment legends and sports superstars. And I can tell you personally that. Some of those people, if not many of those people are cash rich, but life poor. So the wealth money can't buy is based on the eight forms of wealth. Money is one of the forms of wealth. I'm not going to sit here and say money's not important. It puts food on the family table. Allows us to do amazing things for the people we love. Allows to.

• 6:22Robin Sharma?

  Serve those in need. It allows us not to get backed into the corner to make decisions we don't want to make. But there are seven other forms of wealth that when we pursue them, we find authentic wealth, real riches. Versus financial fortune where we become worldly successful, but empty of heart.

• 6:44Robin Sharma?

  And I think, I think in this social media age, there are just so many people, I mean, we're tribal. We have a neurobiological instinct to follow the crowd. We have mirror neurons. So we do what the mass of people is doing. But what's the point of climbing a mountain, spending our best years doing it, only to realize at the end of a quarter, decade, lifetime, we climb the wrong mountain. And so what I'm trying to do is show people a map or a framework of real wealth. And it has eight forms, not just money.

• 7:21Lewis Howes?

  What is the, what do you think is the most influential form of wealth outside of money that people are missing today?

• 7:29Robin Sharma?

  I think many of, many of the seven, aside from money. I would say service is incredibly important. Before we went on, I hope you don't mind me saying, but you set an intention to be of service. And I think it's very easy to think, oh, that's some kind of a metaphysical or philosophical idea. But if you want to be a great entrepreneur, for example, be monomaniacally focused on distributing as much value as possible to human beings. Our job as an entrepreneur is to push magic into the marketplace. And when you push magic into the marketplace in a world that celebrates mediocrity, you stand out, you differentiate, create fanatical followers.

• 8:13Robin Sharma?

  But service is also remembering that in this age of polycrisis, you know, people need to be seen. Service is even listening to someone. Service is seeing someone in need and helping them in some way. Service is just being as helpful as possible. So I think service is a form of wealth. Mahatma Gandhi said it beautifully. He said, to lose yourself in service of others is to find yourself. So we're all looking to find ourselves, to find fulfillment, happiness. And it's such a paradox, but we find that happiness, we find that wealth.

• 8:59Robin Sharma?

  When we give ourselves to others, it's such an amazing paradox. In the book, I talk about a conversation I had in Barcelona.

• 9:11Robin Sharma?

  I don't know why I always befriend dormant at hotels or door people, you know. I just love, and his name was Alberto.

• 9:21Robin Sharma?

  And so we were chatting and I got the sense Alberto may not have realized what a giant he was. And so I said, Alberto, it was a beautiful Barcelona day.

• 9:37Robin Sharma?

  I said, Alberto, you know, if you uplift 100 people every day by being positive and polite, and give them gifts of kindness and positivity, at the end of the year, that's 3,000 plus people. At the end of the decade, it's 30,000 people. At the end of a lifetime, it's 300,000 people. I said, you can have a huge impact. So I think service would be one. I think family is one we miss. I think adventure is one we miss. Craft is a form of wealth we can talk about. I think we miss some of those.

• 10:12Lewis Howes?

  Now, you mentioned service as one of the main forms of wealth. What would you say is the percentage of people in today's society in general that are missing service? It seems like a very self-centered society, or at least what you see on social media, like you mentioned sometimes. But what do you think is the percentage of people that are missing service and are more focused on self in today's world?

• 10:38Robin Sharma?

  Well, the way I'd answer that, Lewis, is if we are stuck in scarcity, then we are not going to stand for generosity. You know this so well, you teach it in your books and in your methodology. But our primary relationship with ourself determines every other relationship. That's why the first form of wealth and the wealth money can't buy is growth.

• 11:03Robin Sharma?

  To develop yourself, to build a strong character, to get to know your heroic elements, to tap into your wisdom, to know how strong you are, to know your gifts and talents, to know how loving you can be is a form of wealth. I mean intimacy with your mastery is a form of wealth. And the reason I made that the first form of wealth is the relationship with you determines every other relationship. And so if we're stuck in scarcity, and unfortunately, a lot of people are stuck in scarcity. And if you're stuck in scarcity, then you may not be of service, you may not be of use, you may not, let's say you're building an

• 11:45Robin Sharma?

  app or building a business, you might not apply what I call the 10x value obsession, give your customers 10 times the value they have any right to expect, so they beat a path to your door. If you look at most businesses, it's how can I deliver the least amount of value and receive the most amount of money? And that's not a recipe for a global base of fanatical followers.

• 12:12Lewis Howes?

  If someone feels like they are stuck in scarcity, and I like this idea, I want to be more generous, but I don't have much to give. I feel stuck, I'm in debt, I'm stressed, I'm overwhelmed, I'm burnt out. What would you say would be the first three things they could do to turn their scarce life into an abundant life?

• 12:30Robin Sharma?

  Wow. I would say MVP. So you know, as an athlete, that means most valuable player. It's also an acronym for meditation, visualization, and prayer. And I do my best. I'm certainly no guru, and I have a lot of work to do on myself. But I've come a long way over these 25 years of deeply working on myself. And these days I spend from 4 o'clock to 4:45 in MVP, meditation, visualization, and prayer. And it works.

• 13:03Robin Sharma?

  An insecurity you want to move through, a scarcity that's bothering you. You meditate on it, you visualize yourself being generous and brave and stronger and radiating goodness and strength in a world of emerging darkness. And then you pray. And I believe every prayer is heard, it's powerful. So that would be one tool. Another tool is remember that gift giving doesn't mean you have to do something material. I just learned this incredible, we were talking about Japan. I just learned this incredible Japanese philosophy called intoku, which is secret gift giving. Secret gift giving. Secret gift giving. Without someone knowing you gave it.

• 13:46Robin Sharma?

  Well, Lewis, I think a gift given with the expectation of a reward isn't a gift, it's a trade. If I give you a gift and I go, hmm, I hope I get this from you, then it's not a gift. And at some level, you're gonna sense it. So the second, you asked for a tactic, the second tactic would be give secret gifts that nobody knows about. Wow. And it could be, and it doesn't have to be anything material. It could be, I'm staying in a hotel here, I'm visiting you in Los Angeles. It could be simply understanding a room cleaner is going to come into the room after I leave to come on the school of greatness.

• 14:29Robin Sharma?

  Let me make sure the room is clean. Let me make, let me make the bed. Let me put the towels in the bathtub. Let me straighten up the room and leave a nice tip because someone's mother, father, son or daughter is gonna be cleaning this room. That's a gift. I think that's a gift. So we can, we can give gifts that way. In, in the book, I actually talk about, it's full, it's full of philosophy and tactics, but I talk about the power of thank you notes. That's not expensive, but writing a thank you note to your mentor in this world of digital, writing a thank you note to someone you meet on an airplane or in a train or in a, is,

• 15:10Robin Sharma?

  I mean, Lewis, writing, what I love to do when I'm on the road, I'll love to write a letter to mom and dad. My dad is gonna be 87 in June. Wow. And just telling them. What a force he's been in my life, or writing a letter to my partner, Al, or my kids, or of course, of course, my mom. So I think there's lots of things we can do to be generous. And then it's a practice. The more you practice it, the more generous we automatically become.

• 15:41Lewis Howes?

  MVP, meditation, visualization, prayer, gift giving and gift giving in secret. And thank you notes, physical thank you notes. I think those are three inspiring and practical things that people could start to do. And if you don't have an hour a day to do the MVP, you could do five minutes a day. You can give a gift once a day. You can write a thank you note once a week. It doesn't have to be all time consuming, but I really love this process of getting outside of self and thinking of others. And I think that's a great step to turning yourself into more selfish or scarce thinking into abundance and opportunities and synchronicities into your life. So I love this, this process. And I don't think a lot of people think about this enough.

• 16:24Lewis Howes?

  I don't think they're thinking about how can I be generous in gift giving? How can I be generous in my acknowledgement? You know, something I love to do on this show for 11 years is acknowledge the guest in front of me, and I started with acknowledgement with you. I believe we talked about the power of intention right before we got on. It's like setting an intention and acknowledging people. You mentioned people love to be seen. And if we can get out of self and think about others in some form or way, that unlocks a door to abundance. So I love this strategy and I love these, these steps.

• 16:55Robin Sharma?

  I would even say, Louis, with our work, our work, a job is only a job if we see it as a job. And I think many people miss the opportunity for generosity as well as mastery. That's why it's the fourth form of wealth and the wealth money can't buy. Seeing your work as your craft, seeing your work as noble. You're a coder, you're a yoga teacher, you're an airline pilot, an astronaut, a teacher, a firefighter. And you say, I'm on a mission. I want to be B I W, best in the world at what I do. And there's a chapter in the book called Make Your Project X.

• 17:36Robin Sharma?

  I think a lot of entrepreneurs, in my observation, I say this respectfully, but they suffer from chasing every shiny toy that shows up. I think of one entrepreneur in particular, every time I meet him, he has a new business he's launching, every time. It's the once in a lifetime opportunity that's consuming him, and this is going to be his liquidity event.

• 17:57Lewis Howes?

  It's the newest and greatest technology.

• 17:59Robin Sharma?

  It's the newest. And what I'm talking about with the Project X concept is, in a world where we push out so much content, and we rush to constantly be pushing out many things at mediocrity, I would say, be one of those rare, rare souls who takes a year, or three years, or Lewis. I talk about it in the book, the Duomo in Milan, 600 years to finish it and master it. Are you willing? Are we willing to spend 600 years on our Taj Mahal, our Eiffel Tower, our Moonlight Sonata,

• 18:42Robin Sharma?

  our Catcher in the Rye? And I think, you know, you got me on this topic of generosity. I just think it's so powerful. I spent a year of my life on this book. I can get into my writing process if you're interested, but I suffered, but it was a beautiful suffering, but I suffered through so many drafts, so many iterations, so many resistances, like this sentence can't be done, you can't do this, that. And I think, once we push our best out into the world through our Project X, I think it's an act of, may I say it, love?

• 19:25Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 19:26Robin Sharma?

  It's certainly an act of generosity, and I think this world needs more astonishment in it, more magic.

• 19:32Lewis Howes?

  You mentioned in the book, this concept of like, becoming a ghost, or ghosting, like you just said there, where it's like, spend a year, two years, not being everywhere all at once, not putting out something every day, but actually deepening in your craft.

• 19:49Lewis Howes?

  In a world, especially with social media, where people feel like they need to be relevant constantly, they need to put out something every single day to draw in attention, how can someone have the confidence to become a ghost for six months, or a year, or two years, to work on one project and not be anywhere else? And know that it's going to succeed? What if they come back a year or two later, and the world has changed? People don't remember who they are? They don't have an audience anymore? How do they deal with that insecurity, fear, or doubt?

• 20:22Robin Sharma?

  Okay, that is, I love the question. I would say a few things, so...

• 20:28Lewis Howes?

  If they don't have 25 million copies sold in their books already, if they're new, they're starting out, like, how can they navigate that?

• 20:35Robin Sharma?

  Okay, there's a few things. I would say,

• 20:40Robin Sharma?

  you can be in the world, or you can do your finest work, you can't do both.

• 20:45Lewis Howes?

  You say it again?

• 20:46Robin Sharma?

  You can be in the world, or you can do your finest work, you can't do both.

• 20:50Lewis Howes?

  Wow, okay, so what does that mean specifically?

• 20:52Robin Sharma?

  Well, I would also say it means

• 20:58Robin Sharma?

  genius adores isolation.

• 21:02Robin Sharma?

  You want to get into flow state and do beautiful work. See, I would just rather be a minimalist versus a maximalist. J.D. Solinger is one of my heroes. He just published one book. Happened to be Cat, Turn the Rye.

• 21:20Robin Sharma?

  Vincent van Gogh.

• 21:23Robin Sharma?

  He only sold two paintings, but he's Vincent van Gogh. So,

• 21:31Robin Sharma?

  I would say it's absolutely essential to leave the world regularly,

• 21:39Robin Sharma?

  to do your best work, to get into flow state, to create your mastery, to create, to get this little, you know, a little seaside cottage, I mean... Ian Fleming of James Bond had Goldeneye. There's a chapter in the book called "Find Your Personal Goldeneye." I would say to everyone, invest in a cottage, even if it's a hotel room or motel room in your city or stacks in a library. But go ghost there. You don't have to go ghost for a year. I think it's a cool idea. Go to Tokyo, go to Colombia, go to Mexico City, go to Stockholm, go to South Africa for a year and create your masterwork and be free from social media and meditate, pray, visualize, read the classics,

• 22:24Robin Sharma?

  work on your masterwork, chat with the locals, find yourself and then come back born anew. I think that's a powerful idea. And then how do you handle it? Well, you can build a team to run your social media, of course. You can check in once a week and go ghost six days a week, of course. Or you can go all in and be a gangster. Let's call it a ghost, a ghost gangster. And just go, I'm gonna get lost for a year. I'm gonna get away from the noise so I can hear the signal and I'm gonna create something so beautiful, so masterful, so disruptive, so special because I'm not distracted. I'm just writing or doing the screenplay or building the business.

• 23:07Robin Sharma?

  That when you come back and release it, I mean, people sniff quality a mile away and they're aching for magic. And so let's say a book, you just get away from the world and then you come back with this masterpiece. It's, if you, people are gonna find it.

• 23:27Lewis Howes?

  I love, I love this concept of becoming a ghost for a period of time. I had a Christian pastor on named Michael Todd that has a couple of New York Times bestselling books and a big congregation, a big social media following, all these things. And he said, before he became a pastor, early on, he had a mentor that was a wiser pastor than him that was kind of teaching him how to come up and lead a congregation and, and be a good husband and a father and all these different things. And he said, every year, take a month off. Take a month off where you're not in the church, you're not working on a book, you're not creating something. Like you're gonna be pouring your soul into service every week.

• 24:11Lewis Howes?

  Take a month to recover, rejuvenate, relax, reflect.

• 24:16Lewis Howes?

  And he had a book a couple of years ago that was a, I think it was a number one New York Times bestseller or top on the New York Times bestseller list for like six weeks in a row. And his, he planned his month every year in advance, right? So he has, he knows it's gonna be July or whatever it is. And this was the six month, uh, week mark, every week it was on the list. He was out promoting, he was marketing. And every week it hit the list and then his time to stop promoting was up because his month of ghosting was coming up that next week. And when he came on, he said, um, you know, the week I stopped promoting is the week it came off the New York Times bestseller list. And I said, do you, you know, wouldn't, couldn't you just push

• 24:59Lewis Howes?

  it a little farther like that ghosting month? Couldn't you just extend it and just keep going and ride the momentum? He goes, I could, but then that could lead to burnout also. I scheduled this in specifically because I know greater things are to come on the other side. And I'm okay if it's not on the list that week or that month. And he said, the reason this book was such a big success was because I got the idea from two years ago of that month off. That's when this idea came. And so he's like, I, I am sacred with this time. Even if amazing things are happening, I say no during that time. And I think that takes a lot of strength or power to say no in

• 25:39Lewis Howes?

  your season of ghosting, when you're recovering, reflecting, working on your masterpiece, or just allowing ideas, the signal, as you mentioned, to come to you. So I just thought that's interesting, and I like that you have this in the book. Um, how can someone approach becoming a ghost? When they have a lot going on, or they're maybe living in scarcity, or there's, you know, month to month right now, and they're not, they don't have the resources to extend for a year in another country. How can they start to think of a ghosting season of their life?

• 26:12Robin Sharma?

  Well, first of all, I, I think that's the key. It's seeing work and life in a series of seasons, almost like an athlete. You have your on season and you have your off season. But I think that's the power of the eight forms of wealth model that the book is based around. We were talking about work and master work, but that's only one of the eight forms of wealth. The third form of wealth is family. So we don't want, that's why I don't subscribe to the hustle and grind culture. I've, I talk about it in the book, you know, I was asked to mentor a multi billionaire. My team and I thought about it for a few weeks, decided I was gonna do it. Show up at his house, never seen anything like it.

• 26:55Robin Sharma?

  Walked by his art collection, walked by his indoor car collection, walked by his library. Eventually went to this, down these stairs into this subterranean passageway. I could smell cigar smoke from a mile away. I walk in and there he is, the icon. So we talked for a few hours. He tells me, he, he shares his story and his, how he built businesses. The empire. The empire, he's the emperor, emperore. And, and I say, he goes, yeah, you know, and I said, like, you know, tell me about your family, who you share it with.

• 27:34Robin Sharma?

  Long silence.

• 27:38Robin Sharma?

  And he said, no, I, you know, I'm all alone.

• 27:43Robin Sharma?

  So I share that because the third form of wealth is family. If you have a rich family life, we've talked about relationships in our past conversations. You know, if you have a rich partnership with your life partner, that's, that's wealth money can't buy. If you have a rich relationship with, in my case, you know, also my children, then Colby and Bianca. And my parents, I saw them in Toronto the other night. Like I said, dad's gonna be 87 in June. Mom is still a Titan. There's a chapter in the book, that time my mother took on a motorcycle day.

• 28:30Robin Sharma?

  And having good friends who you.

• 28:34Robin Sharma?

  Enjoy being with, I mean, that is a form of wealth money can't buy. So, yes, put out master work and yes, do great work, but also remember the other forms of wealth. Because, you know, what's the point of having a lot of money and ending up there alone? There's, I quote Bob Marley and he said, possessions is rich. I don't have that kind of rich. My riches life.

• 29:02Lewis Howes?

  Family, I think, is a thing that a lot of people miss out on. I think a lot of people are preaching about family first, but where they put their time and attention is not their first priority of family, it seems like, certain people. I know you mentioned in the book about choosing your partner wisely. And I think you even have the 10,000 meal rule. Can you explain what the 10,000 meal rule is when picking an intimate partner for life?

• 29:30Robin Sharma?

  So, I was reading the Financial Times and I read about, they do this feature every week and it's called Lunch with So-and-so. And they interviewed Ayesha Vardags, or Vardag, I believe. And she's one of the UK's top divorce lawyers. She works with the footballers, she works with the movie stars, she works with the moguls.

• 29:54Lewis Howes?

  Musicians.

• 29:54Robin Sharma?

  Musicians, exactly. And so she's seen a lot of bad situations and breakups. So she was asked for, you know, how would you explain, or what would you say makes a great relationship? Her first answer was separate bedrooms. And her second answer was 10,000 dinners. And she was asked, well, what do you mean by 10,000 dinners? And she said, well, looks will fade, lust might diminish.

• 30:31Robin Sharma?

  But if you can see yourself having 10,000 dinners with this person, hold them tight because great love is hard to find. Wow. And I just think, I just think, I mean, I know you have someone super special and I'm so happy for you. Thank you. And you sure do deserve it. And I've watched your podcast fly over these years and your books and the influence you have and couldn't happen to a better person. Thank you. Couldn't happen to a better person. Thank you. And I'm blessed to have an amazing life partner.

• 31:10Robin Sharma?

  And I really do believe that it's easy as a content creator or movement maker or entrepreneur to get so stuck in the hustle of grind. And I'm not saying it's, ambition's not important. It's a fuel. We all want to win. We all want to do beautiful things. I think it's actually spiritual to materialize your talents and hot pursuit of serving as many people as possible. That's amazing. Having said that, when our family life is stable, when our home life is peaceful, when we have someone to share our wins with, and maybe our losses, we're so much better

• 31:53Robin Sharma?

  at work. So that family foundation, that third form of wealth is incredibly, incredibly important. And as I get older, I'm, I'm starting to put a few years behind me now, but I just, you know, I am, Elle has a grandmother, we call her Nona, and she'll be 90, she'll be 96 this month. And when she was 90, we had a big party for her. And I said, Nona, you know, what's most important? Tell me. And I think if you can sit on an airplane next to an elder, or on a train, or have conversations with elders, that's the people you want to be talking with a lot of the time. And I said, what's most important? And she said, family. Wow.

• 32:38Robin Sharma?

  So these other forms of wealth, family, wellness, growth, we don't think about it. Wow, I'm growing, I'm learning, I'm reading, I'm listening to podcasts, I'm doing sweat lodges, I'm doing Reiki, I'm doing journaling, I'm growing every day, increment by increment. We often don't see that as a rich person, but that is what real riches, I believe, look like.

• 32:59Lewis Howes?

  It's beautiful. It's beautiful.

• 33:04Lewis Howes?

  You know, these habits are things that we can all start to implement to feel wealthier in our life. But I feel like people get trapped on, you know, one of the habits, which is the financial aspect.

• 33:17Lewis Howes?

  Why do you think people get trapped on that aspect alone and think, well, I gotta get this figured out first, and then I can start to have the family, and then I can start to get in shape, and then I can grow and work on my craft and travel and have these adventures. Once I get safe and secure financially, then the rest, then I can start doing some of those things. What do you think is the biggest trap of material success first?

• 33:45Robin Sharma?

  Well, I think, I think the reason we do it is we've been hypnotized by society from a very young age. There's an acronym in my methodology called PENNEM. PENNEM, and it stands for the five forces that program us into the way we see the world. PENNEM, P, parents. When we're little kids, we have social cues. And a lot of us have parents who say, "You're successful. Look at that person. They're successful." Because, "Louis, they have a new car. Oh, they're successful. Look at the golf membership." Or the, "Oh, they, that person right there made, it just made a lot of money. Wow, they're successful."

• 34:26Robin Sharma?

  So as little kids, we look to our early caregivers to give us social cues on the way the world works. That installs a series of beliefs and programs that we run through the rest of our lives unless we reprogram. PENNEM, parents, E, our environment. We live in an environment where who gets celebrated? It's the billionaire with the jet, not the gardener or the teacher that elevates 20 lives. You don't often see on the cover of a magazine, "We're gonna put him or her on a pedestal because this is a teacher that works like Picasso painted." N, N is nation.

• 35:09Robin Sharma?

  So our nation has a collective program. There are some nations where they say, here's the trophy of material things that influences us. Penem, A, our associations. We become our social circle. And a lot of us have social circles where people say, look, I just got the car. I just got the yacht. I just sold my company. I just got past 1 million followers on social media. And so, and then M, media. All the messaging from the influencers we follow and the ads that are sent to us. Again, what does a lot of it show?

• 35:53Robin Sharma?

  It shows cash out, get the sailboat, get the big house, fly in the jet, get nice things and then you are rich. You know, I think the richest person I've ever met or one of them was my ski instructor. And Louis, he said, I'm not rich, but I have a rich life. And he had a family who adored him. He'd ski in the mountains. He loved his craft. So we get programmed and then we follow what the crowd does. And often we're so busy being busy, we don't know why we're busy. And we're spending the finest years of our life climbing mountains, only to realize they might be the wrong ones. And so I want to be clear, the fifth form of wealth is money.

• 36:38Robin Sharma?

  There's 25 chapters on what I've learned mentoring the billionaires on how they do it. I'm not going to sit here and say money is not a form of wealth. But there are seven other ones that I think are essential to focus on if we really want our richest life. And, and as you said, authentic wealth.

• 36:55Lewis Howes?

  You talk about in the book, again, we're talking about the wealth money can't buy. The eight hidden habits to live your richest life. You talk about the habit stack of super wealthy people. Can you walk us through this habit stack that wealthy people have?

• 37:10Robin Sharma?

  First thing I would say is you've got to believe in your vision when no one believes in your vision until the world believes in your vision. So the first part of the habit stack of the super wealthy people I've worked with is they are careless of the opinions of others. Careless of the opinions. Careless of the opinions of others. Most of them couldn't care less what we think about their habits, their beliefs, the way they live. They're pirates. They're pirates, they're gangsters.

• 37:48Robin Sharma?

  And I think most of us, we're so polite, we're so plugged into the majority consciousness. If someone says, "That's a silly idea for your helper." "You want to find that person to spend your life with? Or you want to go live in Tokyo and go ghost for a year? Are you crazy?" We say we want to leave our jobs and launch a new venture. First time our parents or our best friends or significant other or stranger in the street says, "Well, that's not possible." We believe them.

• 38:24Robin Sharma?

  George Bernard Shaw said it beautifully, he said, "The reasonable man," and obviously woman, but his words were, "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable one persists in adapting the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." Interesting. So we must not listen to the trolls, we must not feed the trolls and the billionaires, the financial tycoons. They have a vision. They understand the nature of a disruptive vision is it terrifies the status quo. The status quo doesn't celebrate disruptors, it throws rocks at them.

• 39:04Robin Sharma?

  So our job is to take the stones the critics throw at us and build them into monuments that inspire the world. Second thing is, these people are incredibly disciplined. We know from science, discipline is like a muscle.

• 39:22Robin Sharma?

  So do difficult things, take the cold baths, join the 5 a.m. club.

• 39:29Robin Sharma?

  The project that most frightens you is the one you need to do. The conversation you're most resisting is the one you need to be having. And I would actually go out on a limb for you and say, hard is easy and easy is hard. So I think you want to build a financial fortune. It comes from the consistent doing of difficult things, but it gives you an easier life. Yes. And you try to do easy things and hang out with the easy crowd and easy habits and easy books and easy conversations and easy work projects, you have a hard life. So the second thing is they are strong willpower. Thirdly, and you've heard this a million times, but I think of the Japanese proverb, get knocked down seven times, get up eight.

• 40:11Robin Sharma?

  They just, they, they just like that boxer who just gets down and you just go stay down, please, stay, don't, don't, just please, please. And they're just like, they, and they just get back up and they just get back up. And I'm reading Nobu's memoir right now.

• 40:32Robin Sharma?

  And I don't know if you know his story, but he, he was a Japanese apprentice sushi chef, comes from very humble beginnings, went to Argentina, his restaurant ultimately failed, went back to Japan, went to Alaska for another opportunity, his restaurant burnt down. This is Nobu. Thought about killing himself. I guess, I guess this, the Japanese honor and Yeah, the shame. The shame, right? The shame, people saying he's failing. Yeah. So thought about that. His wife pulled him out of it, started a hole in the wall

• 41:15Robin Sharma?

  in not far from where we are. I believe in West Hollywood or Beverly Hills. And I believe it's called Matsuh, you probably know. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's Nobu here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he started that one. And one day it started to get some traction. And one day, Robert De Niro was brought in by a producer and Robert De Niro fell in love with the food and said, you know, come to New York, let's start a restaurant. Nobu went.

• 41:47Robin Sharma?

  But who wasn't ready. So Robert De Niro kept on coming back for four years, different meals. Every time he was in LA, loving the food and eventually called Nobu and he said, come on. And Nobu said, you know, it's time. And I realized Robert De Niro was waiting four years for me to say yes. But my point is absolutely relentless. Forty years in the game and now he's Nobu. So that would be the third thing. I could go on about the habit stack of the billionaires, but those would be three things that immediately come to mind.

• 42:17Lewis Howes?

  You talk about wealthy words that we can use. And I think this is really interesting because a lot of my audience is into how to use language, words, thoughts and emotions to manifest, to attract, to draw in, to create opportunities and synchronicities to enroll people in their vision and their dreams. So I'm curious, what are the wealth words that we can apply that will create more magic in our life?

• 42:51Robin Sharma?

  Well, I'm trying to find, here we go. So

• 42:56Robin Sharma?

  words are incredibly powerful and I think we live in a culture that dismisses the value of words. We say, oh, man, your shirt is sick, man.

• 43:11Lewis Howes?

  That's probably me, most of my doubt hit.

• 43:13Robin Sharma?

  How often, how often do we actually say, oh, yeah, he, he crushed that workout. She was amazing in the presentation. Whoa, that book is cra- it's crazy. No, it's not crazy. It's not crazy. It's hard work. It's mastery. Often we say to someone, hey, Lewis, you got luck. You're very lucky. You're not lucky. I've seen you working with focus, dedication for years. So we're very loose. We, we say sick. Oh, I hate this. Oh, a lot of people say it's impossible. There's, there's actually some cultures I travel to and they

• 43:57Robin Sharma?

  go, yes, I'd like to do this, but it's impossible. Everything is impossible. It's unreasonable. Words are powerful. Words are programs. If you're on it, we talked about programming. The ant- one of the antidotes to limitation, scarcity, fear.

• 44:14Robin Sharma?

  Selfishness, insecurity, is you start to reprogram by using wealth words. So, the chapter has some of the words I've written down to start adding to your vocabulary.

• 44:26Lewis Howes?

  What page is this?

• 44:27Robin Sharma?

  This is 228.

• 44:30Robin Sharma?

  So it's sensational, excellence, grateful, heroic, grow, generous, willpower, love, genius, beautiful, consistency, powerful, brave. Like, we can either engage in victim speak or leader talk. And you can tell a victim a mile away. You can tell them a mile away. And I'm not judging, I'm just reporting. But they're, "Yeah, you know, I'd like to find love, but there's not a lot of good people out there. I'd like to launch a business because I don't really like my work, but, you know, the economy is bad, inflation is high, and there's lots of competition."

• 45:13Robin Sharma?

  Even when they talk to people, I mean, there are people who, when you leave them, I'd love to know your thoughts, but you leave them, you just feel that.

• 45:23Robin Sharma?

  I would trust that. And then there's people who are very conscious about their words, and they use words that uplift people. They use words that encourage people. If you look at the greatest of the great, the Nelson Mandellas, the Mother Terraces, the Martin Luther King Juniors, these people freed countries and launched movements through their words. Through their words.

• 45:50Lewis Howes?

  Words have a powerful impact, either in a scarcity way or an abundance way, it sounds like.

• 45:59Robin Sharma?

  Yeah. I agree, and I think it's, communication is to state the obvious. Communication is so powerful. You can transform someone in a conversation through communication, through writing, through storytelling.

• 46:18Robin Sharma?

  I think, I think it's so powerful too. Words are powerful. So that chapter is in the fifth form of wealth, which is money. And once we start deploying words, the wealth words, in our writing, in our speaking, in our pitches, in our conversations, then we start to redefine our self-identity. And our income and impact always reflects our self-identity. I'd better say that again because I think it's really important. Our income and impact always reflects our self-identity.

• 46:57Lewis Howes?

  And what makes up our self-identity?

• 47:01Robin Sharma?

  Well, Penham, the five forces of Penham, our parental programming, our environment or ecosystem, the nation we live in, our associations. That's why the sixth form of wealth is community, our associations. You're with drama mamas, crisis papas, energy vampires, dream stealers. You're not going to be a possibitarian. You want to live, be with people whose lives you want to be living. You want to be a masterful, whatever athlete, be around the best athletes. Like your social circle is so powerful. And if you're the smartest person, fastest person in your neighborhood, move to a new neighborhood.

• 47:42Robin Sharma?

  So, so what makes up our self-identity, the five forces of Penham that I mentioned? What makes up our self-identity are the books we read. What makes up our self-identity is the behaviors. If we do difficult things, if we are someone who moves towards the things that frighten us, if we are, look for every opportunity to be helpful and of service and make the world a brighter place. If we are authentic and live our values, all those kinds of things shape our self-identity and allow us to rewire ourselves if we're not the people we want to be.

• 48:20Lewis Howes?

  And it's, you know, someone, I'm just thinking about someone who might be watching or listening and saying, what is Robin talking about, about words, wealth words? This seems like, come on, it's about actions. It's about taking action. That's how you get wealthy. Just saying words is not going to make me wealthy or have a better life. But I'm hearing you say that words help build your identity and it's either victim speak or leadership talk and our income and our impact is made of our self-identity that you mentioned and the words we use it sounds like impact our self-identity as well.

• 48:57Robin Sharma?

  Yeah, I would say so. The first thing I want to say is I'm not saying that execution is not essential. I'm not I'm I'm offering a tool to build us into our strongest selves. I'll be the first to say that ideation without execution is a hallucination. I'll be the first to say that a vision without implementation is fool's gold. You know, there's a lot in the book about working hard. I think I believe that rest is not a luxury, it's a necessity. I've talked a lot about recovery in my work. The twin cycles of elite performance, I talked about

• 49:38Robin Sharma?

  it in the 5am club. Sleep is a secret weapon, no question. Having said that, I think almost hard work has a bad reputation these days and I don't know of any Titan in business or athletics or life who who doesn't put in the time.

• 49:55Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you can't get mastery without hard work.

• 49:57Robin Sharma?

  You cannot get mastery without hard work and I just if I may, I want to just I know you met Kobe and one of my favorite Kobe stories. He said on the point about hard work because we see him in action or we saw him in action and we saw wow, what a master and that's the seduction. We see them in at the height of their glory and we think they were born like that and we don't see the backstory. And he said, you know, when I got into the NBA, I realized a lot of people got in the NBA and they didn't want to be best in the world. They just got in the NBA and they go, I'm here and they started to party and have fun. And he said, I realized that if I got up at

• 50:45Robin Sharma?

  I got up at 4 a.m., did a workout from 5 o'clock, went home, had some breakfast, hung out with the family, went back, did another workout later in the morning, one more in the afternoon, went home, had dinner, one more in the evening. As compared to the people who did one workout or two, he said, after four to five years, to use his words, after four to five years, I would have an advantage so great that no one would ever be able to catch up with me. So hard work's important, but on the wealth words point, it's just a tool to be careful about your words, because words are very powerful and they plant seeds in the subconscious which determine our behaviors.

• 51:25Lewis Howes?

  And I think words have a vibration also, an energetic vibration. And like you said before, you can feel what it's like being around someone who uses words that make them sound like a victim. It kind of lowers the energy, lowers the vibration, it doesn't make you uplifted versus someone who has more empowering words, leadership words that you talk about, that empower the moment, that take responsibility for the moment of their lives, and find solutions as opposed to find the reason why, you know, someone to blame for their challenges, their problems, and takes responsibility. You feel empowered, inspired, uplifted, you feel like, oh, there's, let's take this on.

• 52:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, let's go after this. So I think words do matter in a big way, and we should definitely be intentional about the words we use. Speaking of words and communication, you know, you mentioned how a lot of the great leaders and the ones that we think about or talk about who have long passed, they led with their communication style in an empowering way. You know, when I think about that, I think about this idea of enrollment, the ability to enroll people in a vision bigger than yourself. What's your thoughts on enrollment, or the secret to enrolling one person or millions of people in a cause, a mission, a vision bigger than you?

• 52:54Lewis Howes?

  That sounds crazy or out of the norm, how do we enroll people in our dream?

• 53:00Robin Sharma?

  Ooh, love it. First of all, I would say, dream big, start small, begin now.

• 53:10Robin Sharma?

  Secondly, I would say, how do you build a global movement? One conversation at a time.

• 53:20Robin Sharma?

  So

• 53:22Robin Sharma?

  one handshake at a time, one conversation at a time. If you're trying to build a movement online,

• 53:31Robin Sharma?

  every DM matters. Leave the voice note if you can. Never forget who puts food on the family table.

• 53:40Robin Sharma?

  So one relationship at a time, one thank you at a time is how I I believe how you build a global movement. And I actually believe that as your movement grows, look at your movement. Many people who follow you and trust you and respect you have their movements, whether it's a massive movement or a micro movement. And I would simply say that when you're most successful, you're most vulnerable. I think this is one of the greatest traps. Say it again? When you're most successful, you're most vulnerable. Why? Nothing fails like success. When you are winning, you are closest to losing. Wow. And what I mean by that is there's a human seduction.

• 54:23Robin Sharma?

  When we start to be successful, to believe our own promotional material.

• 54:30Robin Sharma?

  And that's why

• 54:32Robin Sharma?

  anyone who's making traction around their ambitions is in a very dangerous position. And there's a methodology I teach called cheerful paranoia.

• 54:43Robin Sharma?

  Okay, what is this? So Andy Grove is the co-founder of Intel, and he said, only the paranoid survive. Now, no one's suggesting we should be paranoid. It's unhealthy, of course. But it's cheerful paranoia is just, it's a metaphor to remind us, be happy, be healthy, be cheerful, be decent, have a good character, be loving, be excellent. But be paranoid that you could so easily be knocked off your perch by someone in their underwear, coding in their basement, who comes up with a new tech business, for example, that knocks you out of the game. So I actually have a model called

• 55:28Robin Sharma?

  The mastery humility proportionality and I don't know if this is going to make sense, but if you could imagine, I wish I could draw it for you, but imagine this is the axis. Yes. And imagine this is the mastery axis right here, Lewis. And this is the humility access, axis. And so as your mastery grows, and that's influence of your movement, quality of your craft, success in the world, income, impact, all those currencies. So as your mastery grows, be one of those rare air people.

• 56:09Robin Sharma?

  Your humility grows. Become more humble. Become, strange, right? So that's why it's the mastery humility proportionality. As the mastery grows, increase your humility. Now, if you do that, then you're going to be, because I think the key to legendary is longevity. Yes. So anyone can be a champion, or it's hard, but you get to a, but the real legends want the dynasty. And you only get a dynasty if you think about longevity.

• 56:42Robin Sharma?

  And what I believe in, there's a chapter in the book on this that explains all of this. But I would say it's the humblest wins. The humblest wins. Yes. And I don't just mean good manners.

• 56:55Robin Sharma?

  Humility means you don't lose your white belt mentality as you rise. Humility means you don't forget to have a humble and grateful heart for the people who keep you in business. Humility means you never lose your white belt mentality. Humility means you go to a conference and you've, you've been in the game 25 years and you sit in the first row and you take more notes than anyone in the room. Wow.

• 57:19Robin Sharma?

  That's big. And, and, and then I think of the Titans of humanity. The, the real servant leaders, they were globally revered.

• 57:31Robin Sharma?

  And they had humble hearts. I stood in Nelson Mandela's prison cell. How was that? Changed, changed my life. I, I don't know if you'd be interested in doing it, maybe with. I would love to.

• 57:44Lewis Howes?

  What was that like stepping into the

• 57:47Lewis Howes?

  that physical space?

• 57:48Robin Sharma?

  In my life, people say, oh, I had a life-changing moment. I mostly in my life go, I've never had a life-changing moment. You know, people go, I read that book, my life changed. Or I went to that event in my life. It never really happened to me. Mostly, it's been incremental growth. But one day I got on the ferry from Cape Town. It was July, cold winter's day, under the equator. I saw the limestone quarry where Nelson Mandela

• 58:18Robin Sharma?

  cut stone for seven years, damaged his eyes because of the glare on his eyes. The limestone dust damaged his lungs. I went to the propaganda office where they would redact letters from Winnie. And they wouldn't let him leave the prison to attend the funeral on the death of his son. He said that was his greatest regret. My son died in a car accident. Like, they wouldn't let me out to attend his funeral.

• 58:48Lewis Howes?

  That's sad.

• 58:49Robin Sharma?

  I saw the showers where he, as an elderly man, would shower and the guards would laugh at him. All forms of torture. I saw the courtyard where he would tend to his tomato plant, but secretly hide his autobiography, Lone Walk to Freedom.

• 59:09Robin Sharma?

  And then I was led up three steps to, I believe, the second room. And I saw his room and Louis, it was, I would say, from here to where you are to right there.

• 59:23Lewis Howes?

  Tiny.

• 59:24Robin Sharma?

  Yeah, tiny for the first few years because of the color of his skin. They wouldn't let him wear trousers in the cold of the winter. Sick all the time. And no bed.

• 59:39Robin Sharma?

  And yet, when he was released from prison, 27 years, 18 years on Robben Island, he invited the jailer to his inauguration, he invited the prosecutor who asked for the death penalty to dinner, and he said, you know, "I did that because otherwise I'd still be in prison."

• 1:00:00Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:00:00Robin Sharma?

  So there are these people who, who, we were talking about humility, from every person I've met, I go to South Africa a lot, it's a country I love, you'd love it because I...

• 1:00:13Lewis Howes?

  I gotta check it out.

• 1:00:14Robin Sharma?

  You'd love it. He was just, "Oh, I asked the, I asked the guide who took me around that day, what was he like?" It was, "Oh, I've served with him for seven years." So, "What was he like?" And the first thing he said...

• 1:00:29Lewis Howes?

  He was an inmate with him.

• 1:00:30Robin Sharma?

  He was, he was a political prisoner.

• 1:00:33Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:00:34Robin Sharma?

  And served with Nelson Mandela, he served with Nelson Mandela. And he said, um, the first thing he said, and I'll never forget, and he said, "Oh, that man was a humble servant."

• 1:00:49Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 1:00:51Robin Sharma?

  So, if we could only, now, for entrepreneurs, athletes, or whatever, humility is still incredibly important.

• 1:01:02Lewis Howes?

  How do we have confidence but stay a humble servant? How do we lead with confidence and go for it and not dim our light in the pursuit of our craft and creation and communication and execution, and live with poise and power and passion, but also be a humble servant? How do we hold both of those in two hands?

• 1:01:30Lewis Howes?

  It's hard enough to get confidence for a lot of people.

• 1:01:33Robin Sharma?

  Confidence is not easy.

• 1:01:35Lewis Howes?

  It's hard enough, yeah.

• 1:01:37Robin Sharma?

  I don't know. I would say, well, let's go to some tactics. There's a tool I talk about in the book called the pre-performance paragraph. It's simply one paragraph you write in your journal every morning about your ideal day.

• 1:01:56Robin Sharma?

  And related to that, there's four questions I journal about almost every morning. This could be tactical and hopefully valuable to your global base of viewers, followers. Number one, what am I grateful for? Common one.

• 1:02:13Robin Sharma?

  Number two, where am I winning? So if we focus on micro winning, it builds momentum and it builds confidence. Our brain has a built-in negativity bias. We look at the threats versus focus on our wins. So by deliberately focusing, asking yourself that question, where am I winning? You train your brain to focus on the progress that mostly we neglect, which builds confidence, creates energy, keeps us hopeful. Third question I ask myself, I have a sense you might like this one. What will I let go of today?

• 1:02:49Robin Sharma?

  If you haven't forgiven someone, you're carrying them on your back. It's a lot of energy, affects your creativity, productivity, prosperity and performance. So what will I let go of today? Could be someone who hurt you.

• 1:03:04Robin Sharma?

  It could be a loss. It could be a business struggle. It could be an insecurity that's bothering you. You're just frustrated about something. So let it go. And the final question I ask myself is, what would make today an ideal day? So in that morning protocol in my journaling sessions, you could write about humility. And that would help you stay focused during the day. But one of my best things, I'm going to go back to MVP. Like I just, when I meditate, when I visualize and when I pray, I do my best to pray to be a servant, to be useful, not to forget the mission. When I write, I don't write to get on a bestseller list. I don't write to sell books.

• 1:03:49Robin Sharma?

  I think people would feel the energy and the emotions. So I write, I spent a year of my life. I rewrote this book, maybe 20 times, 10,000 changes plus in every version. And it was really a hard book to write. But the way I look at it is, I said, I want The Wealth Money Can't Buy to be the most valuable book I've ever done. Because I'm only as good as my last book. But even more, I'm only as good as my last book. Mail it in versus bring it on. But even more importantly, the way I look at it is I have a sacred bond with each of my readers. And so if they pick up the book, they trust me.

• 1:04:33Robin Sharma?

  And I don't want to dishonor them. So MVP, journaling, et cetera, et cetera, can keep you humble.

• 1:04:42Lewis Howes?

  Speaking of question three, what's the biggest thing you've had to let go of in your life that held you back the most?

• 1:04:48Robin Sharma?

  You always ask the hardest questions out of anyone. I would say.

• 1:04:59Lewis Howes?

  You've gone through, you've gone through a lot. You've been, you know, businesses, relationships. People have burned you. People have taken advantage of you, you know, physical things you've had to let go of, emotional things, mental. What would you say is the thing that was holding you back the most at some stage in your life, that when you let it go, you created a level of freedom that you never had before?

• 1:05:20Robin Sharma?

  I would say two things. I would say, number one, there have been people who have hurt me.

• 1:05:29Robin Sharma?

  Who I've had to do a lot of work to It's not easy. To get to a place where I love them from afar. So it doesn't mean you have to have them in your life. It's that old idea. People come back into your life to see if you're still stupid.

• 1:05:49Robin Sharma?

  So, right? And that other idea, which I think is very good, reason, season, lifetime. Some people come in for a reason. Some people come in for a season. Some people come in for a lifetime. There's a chapter in The Wealth Money Can't Buy that explains my philosophy on it called, "Your hurters are your helpers." And the people who have hurt me most were actually the people who taught me forgiveness, introduced me to any wisdom I have, introduced me to strength, et cetera, et cetera. So that would be something I've had to let go of. People who've hurt me to get to a place of peace and forgiveness where I realized, you know what? They were just doing their best. They were stuck in scarcity and fear. And they were just doing their best.

• 1:06:34Robin Sharma?

  And it's the way they behaved seemed like a great idea to them in that moment.

• 1:06:41Robin Sharma?

  And then the second thing I've had to let go of is just, I would say,

• 1:06:48Robin Sharma?

  you know, I sometimes see these people who you look at them and you get that sense. They, they just have super confidence. And I almost go like, wow, how do they do that? And, you know, I come from immigrant parents, wonderful parents, but simple beginnings. And, you know, I'm, I'm just a very, very ordinary person. So, you know, maybe to let go of some of that.

• 1:07:22Robin Sharma?

  Yeah, just, I don't know if I'm being clear, but I just, I'm very ordinary and sometimes I, yeah, sometimes I still struggle with that.

• 1:07:35Lewis Howes?

  Feeling ordinary or feeling from an immigrant background or feeling like you didn't belong or fit in or what's the?

• 1:07:42Robin Sharma?

  I would say that's part of it.

• 1:07:44Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:45Robin Sharma?

  You know, feeling I didn't fit in.

• 1:07:48Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:07:48Robin Sharma?

  Yeah, I think I, I often, I will often feel that.

• 1:07:54Lewis Howes?

  Still today or is this more of like the growing up stages, the memories of the past where you felt neglected or picked on or pushed away or?

• 1:08:03Robin Sharma?

  I wasn't picked on.

• 1:08:07Lewis Howes?

  Just not welcomed in?

• 1:08:09Robin Sharma?

  Well, I'm sort of welcomed in, I just don't know if I wanted to be in.

• 1:08:12Lewis Howes?

  I got you.

• 1:08:13Robin Sharma?

  You know, like I, I just, I, I just, I hang out with the oddballs, the misfits, the eccentrics, those are the people like, you know, I, I, those are the people I love the most. I love the artists. I love the people who see the world differently. The people who I resonate with and some of my closest friends are just quirky. They're real, they're quirky and, and so, yes, that's, that's what I would say.

• 1:08:43Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. In the wealthy money, in the wealth money can't buy, you have this concept of putting your last day first. Can you explain what that means and how someone could use this philosophy in their life today?

• 1:09:02Robin Sharma?

  Anytime I talk about mortality, people start to shift in their chairs.

• 1:09:08Robin Sharma?

  And they often say, I don't mean to get dark, I don't mean to talk about that.

• 1:09:16Robin Sharma?

  I think that mortality, and maybe I'm channeling Marcus Aurelius here, the great Roman emperor. Yeah. But he talked a lot about, you know, how we just end up as dust. He talked a lot about all the noise and all of our lives chasing these things for a year on the calendar, because a lot of the emperors had a year named after them.

• 1:09:45Robin Sharma?

  And so, the last part of the books, the eighth form of wealth is about service. So I talk about helpfulness and how we can serve to find that form of inner riches and happiness. But there's, there's a lot in the last section about the shortness of life. Yeah. There's one chapter, Alexander the Great's Three Last Wishes. He told his lieutenants, he said, you know, when I die, I want three things to happen. Number one, I want the world's best doctors to walk behind my casket on the funeral procession. Number two, I want my emeralds, diamonds and golds and money to be strewn along the road

• 1:10:26Robin Sharma?

  going to the graveyard. And number three, I want my hands to be left open so all the world could see. And one very boldly said, you know, Alexander, why? He said, number one, I want people to see that all the great medicine, I get biohacking. I love all of that. I love it. But he said, I want the whole world to see that even the best doctors in the world can't help one cheat death. Wow. Number two, he said, I want people to see the money made in the world remains in the world. Hmm.

• 1:11:09Robin Sharma?

  And number three, I want all the crowd to witness my open hands to realize we were born with nothing and we die empty handed. Oh my gosh. And again, this is perspective.

• 1:11:23Robin Sharma?

  This is perspective. Imagine in our MVP, in our journaling every morning while the rest of the world is asleep, we think about these things. And then we're in the world, we build the business, we build the family, we build the love, we build the mastery, we do all the worldly things. But we're, and this is one of the greatest proverbs of all time. It's certainly not my proverb, but it's we're in the world but not of it. That's when you play with the masters. You're in the world, you're doing amazing things, you're finding wealth, worldly wealth, but you found the wealth money can't buy because you're in the world but not of it. So, why do I say put your last day first? Because intimacy with mortality is an incredible source of focus.

• 1:12:08Robin Sharma?

  Like, I hope I live 30 more years. There's one concept I talk about called my, what do I call it? My 25 summers philosophy. If I'm lucky, I have 20, 25 summers left on the planet.

• 1:12:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's crazy to think about.

• 1:12:30Robin Sharma?

  It's a, it's a great thought exercise. 25 Christmases, 25 more birthdays. And so, the more you can connect with the shortness of life and remember, I'm gonna be dust, we're all gonna be dust, no one's gonna remember me. Like, I used to talk about legacy in my books 15 years ago. I don't believe in legacy now. Who cares about legacy? It's all about ego.

• 1:12:56Lewis Howes?

  And you're not gonna be around to experience and enjoy it?

• 1:12:58Robin Sharma?

  That's, I'm gonna be a pile of ashes on a fireplace mantel next to someone's little league trophies.

• 1:13:06Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:13:07Robin Sharma?

  Who cares? My fam, my family, my family will miss me, and maybe a few readers will think about me, but who cares? Look at all the kings and queens. We felt sad for them for months, but we don't think about them now.

• 1:13:24Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:13:25Robin Sharma?

  So...

• 1:13:26Lewis Howes?

  What should we be thinking about in terms of legacy? Is it a distraction? Or what is legacy for you today?

• 1:13:32Robin Sharma?

  Exactly. I think for thinking about legacy and how the generations who will follow will know that we were here, our focus, our hearts, our attention, our work, our lives are off of... Building each day beautifully.

• 1:13:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Robin Sharma?

  And the interesting thing is, our days are our life in miniature. And as we live each day, we craft a lifetime. So forget about legacy.

• 1:14:00Robin Sharma?

  Do amazing things or good things today. And the paradox is you'll you'll leave a legacy.

• 1:14:05Lewis Howes?

  Wow. It's interesting, I just turned forty one a couple of days ago. And the day after. I've I've thought about and meditated on death for maybe, I don't know, ten fifteen years in some aspect. But it hit me, I don't know, after forty one. It just hit me, I was like, man, like. I don't have like the rest of my life ahead of me as when I was fifteen or twenty or twenty five. When you think about it, it's like, sure, I've got hopefully have a long, healthy life. But it's not the rest of my life of like. Eighty years, you know, when you think about it, it's like, maybe, who knows, like if there's some modern science or whatever, but. You've really got to value this these eight hidden habits to live your richest life.

• 1:14:49Lewis Howes?

  You've got to get a value these wealthy things in life beyond money. And I still think about money in terms of, you know, we've got a team, we've got expenses, we've got office, we've got. Employees, we've got agencies, we got to pay things to make sure that things thrive and grow and develop. But I've put more attention in the last year on my health and my relationships than ever before. And I feel the most peaceful and abundant I've ever felt. Because I put my attention on health, relationships and and visualizing building a family. I don't have kids yet, right, but visualizing, planning, talking about it, creating the the idea around it.

• 1:15:31Lewis Howes?

  And someone asked me this morning, they're like, how are you feeling? I like to tell the truth of how I'm feeling, where most people say I'm good or I'm having a great day or things are fine. I like to say exactly how I'm feeling. Maybe I don't know if that's good or bad, but I'm like, I'm not in a good place right now. Or when I met you, the first time I met you, within 10 minutes, I said, I'm really struggling. When you said, how's your day? Five, six years ago, I was like, I'm actually really in a struggling place. And I feel like people have abandoned me and betrayed me and I don't really know. And you gave me a great piece of advice. If I hadn't said how I felt, I wouldn't have had that wisdom shared by you that I've been able to apply for the last five or six years. I wouldn't have that memory and that moment that gave me insights that said,

• 1:16:13Lewis Howes?

  oh, this is tough now, but let me have hindsight now as opposed to wait to have hindsight and know that every bad thing or challenge that's happened to me is actually one of the biggest blessings in the future of my life. When I look back at being injured or hurt playing football or going through bad breakups or feeling, you know, like I failed on my face, something good came from that. It might've taken six months or years, but riches came from the pain. And so if I wouldn't have shared how I felt in that moment, I wouldn't have that wisdom that you gave me. And so I think about, you know, investing in these, these eight things that you talk about, about building wealth. And the health and the relationships are definitely two of the things that I put more time and attention in.

• 1:16:59Lewis Howes?

  And so someone asked me today, how are you feeling? I was like, I am blessed, I'm grateful, I'm healthy, I feel loved and I feel abundant. And they were like, wow, those are all great words. And I go, well, when you have the wealth words and you use them correctly, you start to create and manifest those things as well. And so this is all coming together. I'm just mixing it all together now, but I, I'm so grateful that we're having this conversation. So I'm not sure where I was going with that, but um, I think it's powerful to be speaking what is on your mind and figuring out, how can I use this for my benefit and get beyond it if it's not a positive state?

• 1:17:39Robin Sharma?

  Well, what I hear you saying, Louis, is first of all, you're in a very good place, which is beautiful. Second, what I hear you saying is you used your triumphs as well as your tragedies as grist for the mill. See, the ego would judge the darkness as difficulty, but pain purifies. And those hard times, right? The pain is an amazing purifier.

• 1:18:08Robin Sharma?

  And it's in those difficult times that we really get to know all we truly are. It's in those difficult times where we ask ourselves the big questions. And we ask ourselves, who am I? What are my most important values? We learn wisdom, we learn forgiveness, we learn how strong we are when we are on our knees. And so, and I find it interesting, I mentioned Mandela, but when I study the lives, I love, I love memoirs and biographies and autobiographies. And when I read the best of the best, they've suffered the most. Hmm. Rumi said it well, he said, keep breaking your heart over and over until it opens. Wow.

• 1:18:52Robin Sharma?

  And so if you look at the people, I think I mentioned I was interviewed yesterday by a gentleman, John O'Clery, and he, I want to get his story right, but he was, I think as a kid, he was in a fire and he suffered amputations and he suffered a real tragedy. But when I, when I spoke to him, you could just, it was a digital call, but you could just feel the humanity. Yeah. And so I think when you go through really hard times, I guess what I'm trying to say is, we all have an ambient fear of death. And it really limits us.

• 1:19:35Robin Sharma?

  But when you experience tragedy and you get through it, you realize very few things can kill you, very few things can break you. I've been in my life in a situation where I came close to losing everything. Yeah. Was it fun going through it? No, it was miserable. But now I'm at peace. Losing everything. So.

• 1:20:03Lewis Howes?

  You mentioned something about like, I think it was great leaders or legendary individuals.

• 1:20:11Lewis Howes?

  They care less of opinions of others. And I think when you go through some type of trauma or trial or pain or suffering, you realize, oh, okay, I've been through some of the worst. So if someone judging me or comparing me or trying to say mean things about me doesn't matter, I'm gonna go after what I want. I'm gonna live the best life that I can because I almost lost it all, or I dealt with something way worse than this. And I think that you mentioned some of the happiest people, the people that have been through the most pain or suffering and learned how to overcome it. I was reading a quote recently from Don Miller, who talked about this, just the idea of storytelling, that every great story has

• 1:20:52Lewis Howes?

  a problem and a hero to solve it. Otherwise, there is no story. And, you know, I'm not saying we should welcome horrible pains and life-threatening moments in our lives, but challenge is good to show up the more we live life and go after the things we want. And that's kind of what makes us heroic, is the problems that we face and how we overcome or solve them. And I just love that approach that you have to taking on this. And I'm curious, this season of your life, you've got a lot more wisdom than me and more experience. How do you approach death now? You know, seeing, I'm assuming you have friends who

• 1:21:32Lewis Howes?

  have died that, you know, that are close to you or people you've known, more people you've known that have probably passed away or had maybe less healthy or things like that. How do you approach life and death now at this season?

• 1:21:47Robin Sharma?

  I would say I walk the earth more gently.

• 1:21:52Robin Sharma?

  And I think what's most important comes into sharper focus.

• 1:21:59Robin Sharma?

  When I see my parents, for example, I, you know, always make sure I celebrate them. And when we part, like the other night in Toronto, I gave my mom an incredible hug, my dad, an incredible hug.

• 1:22:16Robin Sharma?

  Yeah, I, I think as you get older, you just...

• 1:22:21Robin Sharma?

  I, I still want to write so many more books and I'm traveling and I'm up early and I still have a huge fire in my belly to do what I love to do so much in terms of my career. And I still am an adventurer and I want to see the world and experience new things.

• 1:22:45Robin Sharma?

  There's also, I would just say, just a gentleness that

• 1:22:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:49Robin Sharma?

  that comes with, with getting a few years behind you.

• 1:22:54Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:22:55Robin Sharma?

  Things that might have bothered me in the past, they don't bother me as much.

• 1:23:03Robin Sharma?

  You just start to realize every human being in front of you has a story to tell, a lesson to teach, a dream to share. I just have a lot more time to hang out with the taxi driver, have a conversation with a stranger.

• 1:23:23Robin Sharma?

  So, yeah.

• 1:23:25Lewis Howes?

  If you could go back to your 30s or early 40s and you could tell yourself three things to take on or let go of, to set you up, yourself up for better success now at this stage of life, what would those three things be that you would tell your 30 or 40 year old self or, or anyone in their 30s and 40s today?

• 1:23:44Robin Sharma?

  The first thing I would say is be a minimalist versus a maximalist. If you look at any genius, and I've worked with a lot of business geniuses, athletic geniuses, sports geniuses, these people all have one thing in common. They do one thing and only one thing.

• 1:24:01Robin Sharma?

  At B I W best in the world. Uh huh. So I would say, build your life around just a few things. That's the power of the framework and the wealth money can't buy. I think there's eight, these are like eight Mount Everest. Build your life around these eight Mount Everest. You're guaranteed to live an amazing life. Not 50 things, even in business. I think the people who get the most traction, they come up with one idea. And here's a bonus point. They are approached with a once in a lifetime other idea. And they say no to it, even though it's a once in a lifetime idea, because they have their mountain top they're chasing. So the first thing I would say is be a minimalist versus a maximalist.

• 1:24:44Robin Sharma?

  Master, even personally, have a few friends. There's a chapter in the book, the three great friends rule. Have three great friends versus 10,000 digital friends. Master three wonderful books versus reading 60 books. Just do a few things really, really well. Everyone's saying, I'm so busy. What I would say, strip away complexity. Have a few friends, focus on your family, focus on the forms of wealth, wellness, adventure. And just do a few of those things. And then you're going to free up so much time. And the paradox is you're going to be better at the few things that you do. Second thing I would say to my 30 year old self.

• 1:25:29Robin Sharma?

  I would just remind myself that

• 1:25:33Robin Sharma?

  your primary relationship determines every relationship. What does that mean? It means that working on the four interior empires, that's the term I call for your inner life. So many people talk about mindset. Mindset is incredibly important. It's your psychology. But I believe as human beings, we have three other interior empires that need to be optimized and calibrated bit by bit every day. Mindset is your psychology. Heartset is your emotionality. You can have a great mindset, toxic heartset, you're never going to win in business. You're never going to win in relationships. It's going to affect your health with inflammation, cortisol, et cetera, et cetera. Third interior empire, your health set.

• 1:26:17Robin Sharma?

  You know this so well. Your health set is your physicality.

• 1:26:26Robin Sharma?

  So I think it's incredibly important to be fit. Your fitness determines income impact. Fitness determines ideation. Fitness determines longevity. Fitness determines your positivity, your moods, et cetera, et cetera. And then the fourth interior empire is your soul set. That's your spirituality. And people might, I wish that the world celebrated spirituality even more.

• 1:26:55Robin Sharma?

  Because I'm not talking about religion or mysticism at all, Louis. I'm talking, when I say, use the term soul set in the four interior empire model, I'm talking about your relationship with your heroic self versus your egoic self. Your egoic self is the part of you that has developed through the micro and macro trauma that we've experienced as we've journeyed through life. So it's the fearful, scared, limited, selfish and secure part of us that affects everything. Our heroic self is there. It's there. It is who we truly are. It is the silent whispers of wisdom that come to us when we're quiet. It's our bravery. It's our instinct. It's our loving hearts.

• 1:27:40Robin Sharma?

  It's our strong character in hard times. So I would remind my 30-year-old self that that relationship, the more time you can spend alone and building those four interior empires, well, then you go out in the world and you get to know, you keep on going. You get it, go out in the world, you want to start a business, everyone laughs, you keep on going. You're in a relationship with a customer, a supplier, a lover, your partner.

• 1:28:07Robin Sharma?

  And that quiet time and that inner character you've built determines how you show up. So we, I would say that would be the second thing. And the third thing I would say to my 30-year-old self is the one who serves the most wins.

• 1:28:22Lewis Howes?

  Amen.

• 1:28:27Lewis Howes?

  In every aspect of winning, not just like in the business or this, but you win in all areas of these four kind of interior mind, uh, what do you call them? Four keys to mindset of four interior emperors, have you caught?

• 1:28:40Robin Sharma?

  Four interior empires.

• 1:28:41Lewis Howes?

  Empires. Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

• 1:28:46Lewis Howes?

  I love this.

• 1:28:47Robin Sharma?

  Yeah. I mean, it's such, it's such a paradox, but as I, as I love to share, Mahatma Gandhi said it so well, to lose yourself in service of others is to find yourself. And that sounds like a philosophical

• 1:29:08Robin Sharma?

  idea, and yet it is so true to

• 1:29:16Robin Sharma?

  as we work on ourselves to be more helpful to people, be more valuable to others, to be more useful to other people, we actually find ourselves and we find happiness. And that's one of the paradoxes. Money's important. It's one of the eight forms of wealth that I talk about in the book, but I don't, I don't know anyone who has said, I finally made enough money and I'm happy. See, it's a hamster wheel. It's a drag up choice.

• 1:29:43Lewis Howes?

  Never enough. Right. Yeah.

• 1:29:43Robin Sharma?

  Do you? Do you know someone?

• 1:29:47Lewis Howes?

  I mean, I feel very happy with the, the business and the money I've made and saved because it allows me to have flexibility and I feel like I've been smart over the last 18 years of working hard and saving money and investing money and reinvesting it in myself and relationships.

• 1:30:06Lewis Howes?

  But it's, I don't want to stop making money is I guess. So I want to keep earning and creating more to be able to serve more, but I feel at peace and harmonious with where I'm at. So if that makes sense. So I still want to earn more, make more. I'm not like, okay, I'm done. But yeah, I feel at peace with what I've created up to here.

• 1:30:29Robin Sharma?

  I get you, and I'm not saying, I'm not saying to anyone.

• 1:30:34Lewis Howes?

  But I still want to make more.

• 1:30:35Robin Sharma?

  Don't quote "make more money." I'm simply saying, suggesting it's one of the eight forms of wealth.

• 1:30:40Lewis Howes?

  Yes, exactly, yes.

• 1:30:42Robin Sharma?

  It's a form of wealth. Don't make it your god.

• 1:30:45Lewis Howes?

  Main thing, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:46Robin Sharma?

  Make it your servant.

• 1:30:47Lewis Howes?

  I love that.

• 1:30:48Robin Sharma?

  And I just think too many people, it's, it's, I think it's something, it's not everything.

• 1:30:54Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:30:54Robin Sharma?

  And what's the point of being cash-rich and life-poor? What's the point of having all of the money in the world? And you have an empty heart and you don't like yourself very much.

• 1:31:04Lewis Howes?

  And a home full of stuff, but not full of love.

• 1:31:09Robin Sharma?

  And, and let's go to the science, hedonic adaptation. Any good positive psychologist will tell you hedonic adaptation is the human beings, the human phenomenon psychologically of getting what we always wanted and we feel good about it for about a week and then the baseline happiness kicks back in.

• 1:31:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, we need more.

• 1:31:28Robin Sharma?

  More.

• 1:31:29Lewis Howes?

  More. It's a great lessons for someone in their 30s and 40s.

• 1:31:35Lewis Howes?

  I've got, I don't know, 20 more questions on my, my list here that we, that we didn't even get to tap into. But I'm assuming a lot of those answers that you would have shared would be in this book, "The Wealth Money Can't Buy: The Eight Hidden Habits to Live Your Richest Life." I want people to get a copy of this and get a couple of copies for their friends. I feel like this will be a book that you could read over and over and digest a few chapters at a time and go over them multiple times to really take in everything that you need in your life to feel more peaceful, abundant, happy, healthy, and in service to your mission and the people around you. So I want people to get a copy of this book. For me, this was extremely powerful and I want to acknowledge you again, Robin,

• 1:32:19Lewis Howes?

  for the energy you bring, the wisdom you bring, the insights and the dedication to your craft. Ghosting for a year of your life to dive in deep into this. You've created a masterpiece for so many of us to have knowledge broken down into things that we can understand and start to apply in our lives if we have the courage to take the actions. Again, knowledge is only as good as the action you take to implement it and learn it yourself. So, don't just read this, but start applying these things little by little and you'll start to feel wealthier in your richest life ever. So again, I want to acknowledge you, Robin, for being here, for taking the time, for sharing so many stories openly and vulnerably. It's beautiful, it's powerful.

• 1:33:02Lewis Howes?

  I know this is going to impact a lot of lives. The Four Interior Emperors, is that what it is? The Four Interior?

• 1:33:10Robin Sharma?

  Empires.

• 1:33:10Lewis Howes?

  Empires. Why I keep saying Emperors? The Four Interior Empires, I believe, was from The 5 AM Club, which I loved. And I know a lot of people have read that book and bought that book if you're listening on this show and if you've been watching this show. So I want you guys to check out that book as well, but if they follow you at Robin Sharma anywhere on social media, they can find you. What's your main site where they can connect with you as well to see all of your books and anything else?

• 1:33:38Robin Sharma?

  Robin Sharma dot com and Instagram and YouTube at Robin Sharma.

• 1:33:44Lewis Howes?

  Okay, perfect. The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari was obviously one of your biggest books, The 5 AM Club, which was one of your newest books, and The Wealth Money Can't Buy. Make sure you guys pick this up, get it for a friend. Follow you on social media, even though you might be ghosted for times here and there, so you may not be posting if you're ghosting on the next book. Two final questions for you, and I've asked you these before, but I'm curious if it's different from the last times. The first one is the Three Truths question. I ask everyone at the end, if you can imagine a hypothetical scenario, it's your last day on earth many years away, which just sounds like you've visualized and meditated on many times.

• 1:34:24Lewis Howes?

  And from this moment on until that last day, you get to create and live however you want to live. But for whatever reason, all of your work has to go with you or has to go somewhere else. We don't have access to any book, any conversation, any piece of content you've ever shared. Hypothetical scenario. But you could leave behind on the last day, three lessons, three final truths. Kind of like you are, you know, Alexander the Great, leaving behind these three lessons. What would be those three truths you would leave behind if we had no access to anything else of your information?

• 1:35:02Robin Sharma?

  I would say every human being, to use your words, has greatness within them. But every, every human being matters. And every human being has specialness and gifts and wonder within them. The second truth, I would say, is life is too short to postpone living on your own terms. And the third truth is, as simple as it sounds, Lewis, I would say, personal development, personal growth, it really, it really works. You know, whether

• 1:35:45Robin Sharma?

  it's the MVP, whether it's the morning routine, whether it's the journaling, whether it's the reading, all the modalities we know about. But small, daily, seemingly insignificant improvements when done consistently over time lead to stunning results. I just, what I'm trying to say is, there are a lot of people out there who want to feel stronger and want to achieve their ethical ambitions and want to do amazing things and have this vision for a beautiful life. And it's how can you get there? And how do you get there is, you start. You start today, and as simple as it sounds, each and every day, little by little, you make progress. And it's amazing how far you can get in a series of weeks, months, and years. Those would be three, three simple truths.

• 1:36:31Lewis Howes?

  Final question, what is your definition of greatness?

• 1:36:35Robin Sharma?

  I would say having the wisdom, courage, and persistency to make yourself into who you're truly meant to become.

• 1:36:49Robin Sharma?

  And it's a process and just being in the process each day of becoming more of who you're truly meant to become, your gifts, your talents, your bravery, your loving heart, your vision and executing on it, being in the process is winning. Robert Louis Louis Stevens, the Scottish novelist, said,

• 1:37:13Robin Sharma?

  "Judge your success not by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant."

• 1:37:21Robin Sharma?

  So I think the real trophy is being in the process of becoming who you want to be versus getting the gold medal at the end of the day.

• 1:37:30Lewis Howes?

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