Pod Insights Pablo Torre Finds Out The Belichick Ring Mystery, Solved: How Pablo's Investigation Just Got Weirder About this episode After his reporting about 24-year-old Jordon Hudson went viral, Pablo re-opens the door on Bill Belichick's personal and professional scandals, presenting Michael Cruz Kayne and Katie Nolan with more clues to unbox — including, but not limited to: the Avengers of geo-guessing, multiple (exclusive) Ring camera videos, two worried homeowners, a smoking gun, a sheer curtain, a man bag... and a five-star review.
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2:56 Speaker 02 Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is.
3:02 Speaker 03 Pablo, what the [bleep]? Pablo, what the [bleep]?
3:05 Speaker 02 This is crazy.
3:06 Speaker 03 Pablo, what the [bleep]?
3:08 Speaker 02 This is crazy. Right after this ad.
3:13 Pablo Torre? You're listening to DraftKings Network.
3:32 Speaker 02 See, I think we kind of both have
3:34 Speaker 03 I spend, I'm trying to spend. Yeah, probably. We just look for somebody to tell us that we suck.
3:39 Speaker 02 When I'm in the comments, what I see is a thousand Pablo and Katie are such a great couple, or whatever. And I'm like, I'm also there.
3:48 Speaker 03 And then me. I haven't even seen Pablo yet. It's like a reveal. It's like I get like, what's he wearing?
3:54 Speaker 02 He's gonna be in a ball gown.
3:54 Speaker 03 Yeah. Oh, a second outfit. There he is. Miss America.
4:02 Speaker 02 What is, are you in like a?
4:05 Speaker 03 Active withdrawal?
4:07 Speaker 02 No, you're in some kind of a suit, almost.
4:09 Speaker 03 Oh, yes. Are these sensible separates?
4:12 Speaker 02 They're sensible. Were you at, were you at some kind of an event? Or is this just how you?
4:18 Speaker 03 Pablo's very famous now because of this, because of us.
4:22 Speaker 02 Yeah. He's riding our coattails.
4:24 Speaker 03 Yes, the sacrifice we make being here, having journalism happen to us live.
4:32 Speaker 04 And this week, another twist in the back and forth media saga. Sports journalist Pablo Torre reporting that Hudson is being blacklisted by the university's football program. He shared the alleged details on his podcast.
4:46 Pablo Torre? Two sources at the University of North Carolina tell me that there has been a decision that was made last week, and that decision was that Jordon Hudson is no longer allowed in the football building.
4:57 Speaker 03 Okay.
4:57 Pablo Torre? She is not allowed on the football field.
5:00 Speaker 05 If you put me on a lie detector right now and you said, who's the greatest sports journalist in the world? I swear to God, I'd say Pablo Torre.
5:09 Speaker 06 I believe Pablo Torres, who, you know, put out a big statement on Friday, basically dictating exactly where he got the information from, higher ups at North Carolina and what have you, and I believe Pablo.
5:23 Pablo Torre? Once again, Katie Nolan, Michael Cruz Kayne, thank you for being here, and I'm sorry.
5:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:28 Pablo Torre? You have papers again in front of you.
5:29 Speaker 03 It's crazy.
5:30 Pablo Torre? There's a box.
5:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, there's a box.
5:33 Pablo Torre? There's a box in this room, under this table. We're gonna find out what's in the box because...
5:38 Speaker 03 I hate it.
5:39 Pablo Torre? This is even weirder than it was last time.
5:42 Speaker 03 That's impossible. May I say that's impossible?
5:45 Pablo Torre? I went on a reporting trip this weekend.
5:48 Speaker 02 What do you mean?
5:49 Pablo Torre? I left my family to do this.
5:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:53 Pablo Torre? This episode will involve yet more online reviews.
5:57 Speaker 02 Oh, God.
5:58 Pablo Torre? As a brief foreshadowing, and we tried not to do this.
6:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:02 Pablo Torre? We did an episode about Vladimir Putin's partnership with a German soccer team.
6:07 Speaker 02 Okay.
6:08 Pablo Torre? And this was important reporting, and the response from Greg Dickerson on Twitter was, quote, "Stop wasting your time with the small-time stuff like Putin. We need more Belichick ring camera videos."
6:21 Speaker 03 Oh, man.
6:22 Pablo Torre? And so after the episode came out, and everybody was making a big deal of the fact that I said that Jordon Hudson was banned from the Carolina football facilities, from the field, from the program, that she wasn't welcome there, wasn't wanted there, all that stuff, the University of North Carolina had a choice to make when it came to their response. They could have said, "This reporter is incorrect. She is welcome here." Period. What they did, though, was release a statement, and the statement said this, quote... Wow, Jordon Hudson.
6:52 Speaker 06 Is not an employee at the University of Carolina Athletics. She is welcome to the Carolina football facilities. Jordan will continue to manage all activities related to Coach Belichick's personal brand outside of his responsibilities for Carolina football and the university. End of quote. Right, so carefully worded, especially given how quickly they responded with that.
7:21 Speaker 03 She doesn't work here, that's for sure.
7:23 Pablo Torre? Which is an interesting thing that only became more accentuated when Bill Belichick resumed his press tour for this book that was the whole heart of the CBS Sunday Morning thing that went haywire. And the messaging seemed to take on a very deliberate new tone.
7:37 Speaker 06 I know that you're aware that your relationship with Jordon Hudson has been a headline over the last few months. And all of the specifics aside, because a lot has come out in the last couple of days. How do you think that that impacts your ability to coach this football team, if at all?
7:52 Pablo Torre? Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, really off to the side. It's a personal relationship and she doesn't have anything to do with UNC football. She does the business things that don't relate to North Carolina that come up in my life so I can concentrate on football. What does Jordan actually do for you that allows you to do your job? What are her actual job responsibilities?
8:19 Pablo Torre? Well, nothing with North Carolina. That would be number one. It would be personal opportunities. So, you know, it just seems like there has been a change, right? They hired a new PR person, this guy Brandon Faber, used to work for the Chicago Bears. He's now the PR person in charge. It's not Jordon Hudson. She is, as Belichick said, off to the side. Only a personal thing, not personal and professional, as she had said in that statement previously released. But it was complicated, I thought, when I heard Channing Crowder, one of the co-hosts of the Pivot Podcast.
8:49 Speaker 03 With Ryan Clark, the last interviewer in that montage, because he described his experience on set with Bill Belichick in that interview like this.
8:58 Speaker 02 It's weird to know him as Coach Belichick, running the entire organization as GM, head coach, talent coordinator, all that stuff. And then to see this tiny little 95-pound girl kind of pretty much telling him what to do. So she was there? She was there. She she she choreographed the open. Wow. Yeah, no, she like she was there and she kind of coordinated. They had brand managers and you know. What do you mean she coordinated? Like you guys are a successful podcast. You have a pretty decent formula like. She coordinated the. Well, I mean CBS Sunday Morning is a pretty successful show as well. And she seemed to have her paws all over that thing.
9:43 Speaker 02 That's what I say. She has her paws on on the on the the situation.
9:48 Speaker 03 A bit more complicated behind the scenes once again. The second reaction I have, though, is that I want Katie Nolan to turn over the first page. Oh, no, why's it gotta be me? It's an early turn. Should I put on gloves? You might need to. I mean, look, what's been happening is that Jordon Hudson has been sidelined. Okay. Except she's also still around. Sideline. So in this press tour for this book, at least messaging wise. The new rebrand is upon us. Right. She is not speaking, actually. It says, warning, turn over when instructed. I am instructed. First page only. First page only. Okay, here we go. At Jordan Bella is the account. It has been dormant since January 2024, when the account retweeted cheer updates.
10:27 Speaker 03 Then last Friday, so last Friday, Jordan starts retweeting posts that defend her. She retweets one tweet from this account, Curry Hicks Sage. It's lacking a lot of punctuation. I think I'll lose people if I try to read it. It's a lot. But basically, it's the person's trying to defend in response to a New York Post aggregation of your reporting, Pablo. Of our episode, that's right. Yeah, you do keep wanting to put all of our names on it. But it is a quote tweet of that in a defense of Jordan. Jordan reposted that. Then Jordan replied to it. Hashtag scapegoat with GOAT capitalized. Oh, wow.
11:06 Speaker 03 She then also retweeted a reply to Awful Announcing, which I think we've run into this before, but we've had to describe to you that that is a website that covers sports media.
11:14 Speaker 02 Okay.
11:15 Speaker 03 Which reads simply, this comes from Daddy G, at Alan T-shirts, and he replied and said, "Good lord, Pablo needs a hobby." So Jordan retweeted someone saying, "Good lord, Pablo needs a hobby." And now Pablo, show me the lie.
11:30 Pablo Torre? She's not wrong.
11:33 Speaker 03 Pablo, tell me about hobbies that you have.
11:34 Pablo Torre? She's not incorrect that my life has been consumed by this story. And she is so correct, actually, that the real reason I summoned you here is not for any of the [BLEEP] we just ran through.
11:49 Speaker 03 Oh, no.
11:50 Pablo Torre? It's to get to the fact that there is a thing that we didn't even put into the original episode that we did.
11:55 Speaker 03 Okay.
11:56 Speaker 02 I'm excited and scared.
11:57 Speaker 03 I think I know what it is, and I'm just more scared.
12:00 Pablo Torre? It became world famous, and I mean that literally, because of Tom Brady, who Katie Nolan may recall from his work with the New England Patriots. Because he was the center of a Netflix roast, and everybody who was there was some version of associated or instrumental to the New England Patriots and their dynasty, including Bill Belichick. And when millions of people around the world tuned in, they heard Tom Brady say this.
12:27 Speaker 05 And now, for the real reason y'all hear, Coach Bill Belichick.
12:38 Speaker 05 Everybody asks me, which ring is my favorite? I used to say, "The next one." But now that I'm retired, my favorite ring is the camera that caught Coach Belichick slinking out of that poor girl's house at 6:00 a.m. a few months ago.
12:53 Speaker 03 That's just like making me watch that Saltburn video, watching athletes do comedy. I'm like, oh, God.
12:59 Pablo Torre? It's not dissimilar either. Are you guys familiar with this RingCam video?
13:03 Speaker 03 Yes.
13:04 Speaker 02 Vaguely, but I would, I know that it exists, but I'm not sure that I've seen it.
13:08 Pablo Torre? Thank you for being the control group.
13:09 Speaker 02 I'm scared of it.
13:10 Pablo Torre? No, because it went viral, truly, in November 2023. But the video, for those not familiar...
13:17 Speaker 02 Did look like this.
13:21 Speaker 02 Oh my lord.
13:22 Pablo Torre? Please narrate what you're seeing.
13:23 Speaker 02 Well, I'm seeing Bill Belichick topless, coming out of a, maybe a screen door, I'm not sure. On like a Ring camera, he's maybe on the back porch. It looks like, is this a walk of shame?
13:35 Speaker 03 What's he doing there?
13:36 Pablo Torre? All good questions.
13:37 Speaker 03 Yeah. Do we have any answers coming?
13:39 Pablo Torre? Well, what happened with this video is that there have been a flood of questions.
13:46 Speaker 03 Right.
13:46 Pablo Torre? But nobody has ever determined the truth of where this video comes from.
13:51 Speaker 02 Until?
13:52 Pablo Torre? When it was taped. If there are other videos out there.
13:56 Speaker 02 Until now.
13:59 Pablo Torre? Until now.
14:00 Speaker 02 Wow.
14:01 Speaker 03 No way.
14:02 Speaker 02 Go to break.
14:04 Pablo Torre? What the f***, Pablo?
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17:55 Pablo Torre? So the Ring camera in question, the video that got circulated all over the internet, some Boston area person actually watermarked it, it went viral. And it was most famously described in my research this way, quote, "DailyMail.com can reveal the ex-Patriots coach was sneaking out of the Massachusetts home of his 24-year-old former cheerleader girlfriend, Jordan Hudson. The Ring footage, believed to be from November last year, shows the legend shirtless opening the front door of Hudson's $800,000 Massachusetts property in the early hours of the morning."
18:25 Speaker 03 What? Weird detail.
18:27 Pablo Torre? A lot of people, by the way, because of this, I think understandably, they have theorized that, did this leak come from inside the house?
18:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:37 Pablo Torre? As it were. Did Jordon Hudson maybe leak this? Is a theory that has been promulgated. I can tell you that Bill Belichick's own family has been terrified, panicked by this video existing. Imagine if suddenly your 70-year-old patriarch is shown shirtless, you know, bountifully.
18:54 Speaker 02 Bountifully?
18:56 Pablo Torre? Zoftig, I believe.
18:58 Speaker 03 Oh my god.
18:59 Pablo Torre? And, and they say, where did this come from? What else is happening here?
19:03 Speaker 03 Who has this? Who'd they send to ****? Why does this exist? Why am I looking at this?
19:07 Pablo Torre? And in fact, one NFL executive, whose team discussed hiring Bill Belichick last offseason before the entire league turned Belichick down, says their front office saw the video, didn't know what to make of this video when it got circulated online. This has been a big part of the story behind the scenes. It is a missing piece of Belichick's personal and professional trajectory, to paraphrase Jordon Hudson before, and I didn't want to take any of this reporting at face value, of course, so when I appeared on a podcast, pardon my take, I used their platform to say this. So what I did before I logged on here is I emailed the manager of that guy, Rainbolt, who's the, the GeoMister guy?
19:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's incredible.
19:52 Pablo Torre? And so I'm hoping if Rainbolt listens to this, please respond to your manager's email. I kind of need you to solve a mystery, like where was this camera?
20:00 Speaker 03 Oh my god, Pablo.
20:01 Speaker 02 This is crazy.
20:02 Speaker 03 Oh my god, Pablo.
20:05 Pablo Torre? Familiar with Rainbolt?
20:06 Speaker 03 Yes.
20:06 Speaker 02 It's like the guy who like you can show him a picture of anything and he's like it's exactly here.
20:10 Speaker 03 It's wild. He can be like, you are at the parking lot of a old Caldo's in Massachusetts on the, he can pinpoint you on a map. It's crazy.
20:21 Speaker 02 He's the geo guessing goat.
20:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:24 Speaker 02 Okay.
20:25 Speaker 05 Wait, no, you know, this, this is, um, this is the same rock that was on that one island. What island was it with this rock? It was the island between NMI and Guam.
20:34 Speaker 03 How?
20:35 Speaker 02 I don't know.
20:36 Speaker 03 How?
20:37 Speaker 02 I don't know.
20:38 Speaker 05 I'm going Mexico.
20:38 Speaker 03 Whatever the opposite of that is, that's me. I'm like, I, am I in my own house right now?
20:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't know where I am when I'm there.
20:47 Speaker 05 Do I know this elephant? I ironically might know this elephant. If this is like on one of these roads over here, I might know the elephant.
20:58 Speaker 05 I might know the elephant still.
20:59 Pablo Torre? I'm obsessed with Rainbolt and I have many, many questions for Rainbolt himself that I might ask him now that we have an ongoing messaging relationship.
21:08 Speaker 03 Oh my God.
21:09 Pablo Torre? So last Wednesday.
21:10 Speaker 02 This is crazy.
21:11 Pablo Torre? I got a DM from Rainbolt.
21:14 Speaker 03 Oh my God.
21:15 Pablo Torre? And he said, at 9:12 a.m., I've been sent that podcast clip many times. Ha ha.
21:20 Speaker 03 Wow.
21:20 Pablo Torre? Period. I'm not home for about a week, but just L M K, what you need from me and I can see what I can do. Salute emoji.
21:30 Pablo Torre? I respond, send him some screenshots, the video that you saw of Belichick to the ring cam, and he replied, currently at 18,000 feet in Nepal, but I'll do my best. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Exclamation point.
21:41 Speaker 03 What?
21:42 Pablo Torre? Supposed to be back Tuesday, but we'll send to friends that can get an early jump that are just as talented.
21:47 Speaker 02 A side story here is that there is wifi at 18,000 feet in Nepal.
21:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:52 Pablo Torre? The side side story is that apparently there is an Avengers level roster of geo guessers.
21:59 Speaker 03 That's sick.
21:59 Pablo Torre? Because what Rainbolt says on Saturday at 10:06 a.m. is, all right, sent out to about eight highly skilled individuals.
22:07 Speaker 03 Terrifying.
22:08 Pablo Torre? Including at M Cantow, who is a wizard in his own right. Keep you updated exclamation point.
22:14 Speaker 02 This feels dangerous to me. I don't want to, I don't want to have a relationship with people who can do this.
22:19 Speaker 03 I'm like, I want to have a good relationship.
22:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:21 Speaker 03 I want them to like me and be a friend.
22:24 Speaker 02 This is like when Tony Soprano is like, here's a hundred bucks. You just take it. You're like, no, I don't want that, man. I don't, I don't need that money. It's not, something, something bad's gonna happen to me.
22:31 Speaker 03 Well, get under the table, because here we go.
22:33 Pablo Torre? My army of eight geoguessers proceeded to beyond the case. And as I'm waiting for this army of eight geoguessers to help us with our reporting simultaneously, because I've been on all these things, all these shows, talking about this story in my reporting.
22:51 Speaker 03 So many.
22:52 Pablo Torre? I started getting a couple of tips. And what these tips started suggesting to me, and I had to track all this stuff down, uh, try to verify it, fact check it, is that this house, actually, there's a key detail that has been misreported. It was actually an Airbnb. The problem being that the listing had been taken down. And so there was another dead end, but a clue. At this point, these news sources I was cultivating, uh, informed me of another major development. Because remember when we posed the question about what other videos are there? Out there? What could there be?
23:33 Pablo Torre? Turns out that there in fact is another video of Bill Belichick from this Ring cam that had been floating out into the ether. And so I want to remind you again, this was the original.
23:45 Speaker 02 Okay, so first you think he's naked. Off the bat, you think this guy's naked.
23:48 Pablo Torre? I mean, he's sort of like wandering around like a dazed bear.
23:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, hair a little must.
23:53 Pablo Torre? Goes, goes to reach, uh, into the, the, the.
23:57 Speaker 03 Where's his shirt?
23:57 Pablo Torre? Wheel well.
23:58 Speaker 02 The wheel well.
23:59 Speaker 03 Where's his shirt?
23:59 Pablo Torre? He's shirtless.
24:00 Speaker 03 Where's the shirt?
24:01 Speaker 02 It's in the wheel well.
24:02 Pablo Torre? I got, uh, good news and bad news.
24:04 Speaker 03 Okay.
24:05 Pablo Torre? The bad news is, I have no idea where his shirt is.
24:09 Speaker 03 Oh, damn.
24:09 Pablo Torre? Because here exclusively, for the first time, is the other video.
24:13 Speaker 03 Oh, my God. Oh.
24:15 Pablo Torre? He has a satchel.
24:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's got a little, uh, mers.
24:19 Speaker 03 A work bag, right?
24:20 Pablo Torre? He is very shirtless.
24:22 Speaker 03 He's going to the-
24:22 Pablo Torre? He has like a leather satchel.
24:24 Speaker 03 It is a Hyatt key, isn't it?
24:25 Speaker 02 Okay, so he's still topless, absolutely yum yum delish.
24:28 Speaker 03 Great. A bag with a leather strap that he's clearly not figured out how to tighten because it's looped in a way you definitely wouldn't be choosing. And a hydro flask.
24:35 Pablo Torre? He's hol- he's holding one of those, uh, steel-
24:39 Speaker 03 Metal flasks you put water in, and then he puts it down by the wheel well.
24:42 Speaker 02 And I would say he looks, and this is sort of, uh, normal for our guy Bill, he looks kind of disheveled, even in, like, even if you saw another man at that exact same age in the exact same state, Bill has a little bit of disrepair to him.
24:55 Speaker 03 Hmm.
24:56 Pablo Torre? I do love the birds chirping cheerily in the background.
24:59 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
24:59 Speaker 03 That is woke- I just woke up hair. That hair has not yet been vertical to the point where it falls. It's like it was just up against a pillow.
25:07 Pablo Torre? Bedhead. That is a clinical case of bedhead.
25:10 Speaker 03 Yes, exactly.
25:11 Speaker 02 What are we to make of this now?
25:13 Pablo Torre? Well, I'm glad you asked, because simultaneously, what @Mkantow, who turned out to be a German geoguesser, uh, what he sent me is a message. And the message, quote, is, "The Ring Cam is located here."
25:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's terrifying.
25:30 Pablo Torre? And then he named the town, he named the address, he gave me a couple screenshots from Google Maps.
25:35 Speaker 02 Are we, are we allowed to be terrified by this? The idea of just a guy in Germany who's like, "I can find you wherever you are."
25:42 Speaker 03 Sure, yeah, you're allowed.
25:43 Speaker 02 I'm allowed to be like, "I'm a little bit sweaty."
25:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:45 Speaker 02 Okay.
25:45 Speaker 03 Don't piss him off.
25:46 Speaker 02 I certainly won't.
25:47 Speaker 03 It shouldn't be a problem.
25:47 Speaker 02 He's a handsome, handsome man.
25:49 Speaker 03 You don't know.
25:50 Speaker 02 I bet he is.
25:50 Speaker 03 You're just lying.
25:51 Speaker 02 You're a hunk, fella.
25:53 Pablo Torre? I, I was also, uh, sweaty, a bit nervous.
25:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:56 Pablo Torre? Because at this point, I decided to take a trip.
26:00 Speaker 02 You went to the town.
26:01 Speaker 03 Shut up, Pablo.
26:02 Speaker 02 You've been to this house?
26:03 Speaker 03 Shut up, Pablo.
26:04 Speaker 02 If you show me a Ring Cam video of you-
26:05 Speaker 03 Oh, Pablo, what the [bleep]? Pablo, what the [bleep]?
26:09 Speaker 02 This is crazy.
26:10 Speaker 03 Pablo, what the [bleep]?
26:11 Speaker 02 This is crazy. This is crazy. I don't understand what, I don't understand what's it, I don't understand what podcast
26:20 Speaker 03 Is this Truman Show? Is this World Truman Show?
26:22 Speaker 02 Where are we?
26:23 Speaker 03 What's going on?
26:26 Speaker 03 Oh my god, what's going on?
26:30 Speaker 02 What is this?
26:31 Speaker 03 Okay, I need a lot of answers now.
26:34 Speaker 02 You went to the house and you have access to the footage from the ring?
26:36 Speaker 03 Right, so the ring camera, the footage must go to whoever's staying in the Airbnb?
26:42 Speaker 02 I think I'm starting to smell bad. I'm having a special sweat that smells, I'm having a bad smelling sweat.
26:48 Pablo Torre? You raised the number of very legitimate questions about how it is that we just played you a video of me
26:57 Pablo Torre? on that porch.
26:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:58 Speaker 02 Okay, so.
26:59 Speaker 03 Is this AI? Did you put yourself in the video?
27:02 Pablo Torre? So the first thing I should, I should explain is that.
27:05 Speaker 03 Come on, I'm gonna throw up.
27:07 Pablo Torre? There's a box underneath the table.
27:09 Speaker 03 I forgot about the box.
27:10 Speaker 02 The next thing can't be the box?
27:13 Pablo Torre? The next thing is the box. Please get the box.
27:17 Speaker 02 I'm getting the box.
27:18 Pablo Torre? I'm lightheaded.
27:19 Speaker 03 I don't like this. I don't.
27:21 Speaker 02 Should I put the box on the table?
27:22 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
27:22 Speaker 03 I think so.
27:23 Pablo Torre? You should open the box.
27:24 Speaker 02 I should open the box?
27:25 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
27:26 Speaker 03 Pablo, is it alive? Is something, can you just give us a heads up?
27:29 Speaker 02 If this is Bill Belichick's shirt, I'm walking out of here.
27:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, same. With a new shirt.
27:35 Speaker 03 Okay, even more sketchy.
27:37 Speaker 02 Okay, do I open this? I've returned to the microphone for our producers. Okay. It's taped hastily.
27:48 Speaker 02 I don't know how scared to be, but I'm definitely a little bit scared.
27:51 Pablo Torre? So, what are you holding, Michael?
27:54 Speaker 02 I'm holding a box for a ring camera, which sounds like it has a ring camera inside of it.
27:59 Pablo Torre? You may open the box inside the box. What I should explain is that the day before I went on this reporting trip to this house, I went to Sue Bird and Megan Rapinoe's live podcast.
28:11 Speaker 03 Shout out.
28:11 Pablo Torre? Shout out to A Touch More, and they had gift bags. And as I, this is not a joke, they were literally giving away ring cams.
28:18 Speaker 03 Okay, so this is your ring cam?
28:20 Pablo Torre? This is my ring cam.
28:21 Speaker 03 That you set up at that house?
28:23 Pablo Torre? That we set up at that house.
28:24 Speaker 03 That's a lot less crazy than I thought it was for a second there.
28:28 Pablo Torre? Now, what I did do though.
28:29 Speaker 03 You don't want to touch it anymore? You want to put it down?
28:30 Speaker 02 I'm scared of it.
28:31 Pablo Torre? What I did do though, as we explain how it is that we have ring camera footage of me doing that.
28:36 Speaker 03 Right.
28:36 Pablo Torre? Is that I found the Airbnb listing, which had been taken down previously, it was not the same one, but I was matching photos. And I wasn't sure if it was the house, like how could you really tell? It wasn't exactly, you know, screenshots of the ring camera video that we had shown. But the smoking gun did reveal itself.
28:59 Pablo Torre? Among the reviews.
29:01 Speaker 03 Oh my god. Jordan from Chatham, Mass.
29:04 Speaker 02 Oh my gosh.
29:05 Speaker 03 July of 2023, five stars. Great spot, great views, great host, great value, thumbs up emoji.
29:13 Pablo Torre? And that review encouraged me to rent this Airbnb. So, um, at this point, I'd like to take you on a tour.
29:21 Speaker 03 I'd love that.
29:22 Pablo Torre? Of my vacation getaway.
29:25 Speaker 03 Can this stop blinking at me?
29:27 Pablo Torre? No. So here I am in the foyer. Uh, there's the curtain in front of the washer dryer. This is the door to the kitchen.
29:36 Speaker 03 Great.
29:37 Pablo Torre? Uh, you know, it's very nice.
29:38 Speaker 03 Railroad styles?
29:39 Pablo Torre? Very nice railroad style, long hallway. And we're at the end of the property. Um, this is about 700 square feet. There's some nautical theme stuff you may see. Very clean, very nice. Um, opening up of the sheer curtains to the bedroom and there is.
29:56 Speaker 03 It's a railroad style house, the whole place is.
29:59 Pablo Torre? And there is.
29:59 Speaker 03 In one straight line.
30:00 Pablo Torre? It has like, you know, a college dorm sort of scale to it.
30:05 Speaker 03 Looks like almost a Murphy bed. Is that a Murphy? Does it fold up?
30:08 Speaker 02 It might be.
30:09 Speaker 03 Cause it could. They, they make those very chic now.
30:12 Pablo Torre? It is, uh, the downstairs apartment of a house.
30:15 Speaker 03 That is what it feels like, yep.
30:17 Pablo Torre? Winthrop, Massachusetts.
30:19 Speaker 02 Winthrop, of course, Winthrop.
30:21 Speaker 03 Winthrop.
30:22 Pablo Torre? Just outside of Boston. And so that, yeah, I think that's a full or a double bed.
30:26 Speaker 03 Damn, I couldn't even guess what town it is in Massachusetts. So don't let those G O guys see me.
30:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:32 Speaker 03 They're like, hang them, pata. Pathetic.
30:36 Pablo Torre? And when I took this tour and I got the gist, I was like, I think my work here is done.
30:42 Speaker 03 You'd think.
30:42 Speaker 02 I think your work is kind of more than done. You have exceeded the bounds of what I would consider your work.
30:48 Pablo Torre? Michael, I tried.
30:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:49 Pablo Torre? I tried, I tried to be done.
30:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:51 Pablo Torre? Tried to leave, but what happened was.
30:54 Speaker 02 Just when you thought you were out.
30:56 Pablo Torre? The upstairs owner was like, I want to introduce myself.
31:00 Speaker 03 Oh.
31:01 Pablo Torre? And I said.
31:01 Speaker 03 My name's Julian Edelman.
31:05 Pablo Torre? She came downstairs, stopped by, and for better and for worse, recognized me.
31:11 Speaker 03 Oh dear!
31:13 Pablo Torre? At which point, I said, "Hi, would you be willing to answer a few questions
31:18 Speaker 03 Journalism?
31:19 Pablo Torre? about your property? And what seems to be the most famous porch in Massachusetts? And provided that we kept her anonymous and just used the audio, she agreed.
31:29 Speaker 03 Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.
31:31 Pablo Torre? What's your relationship to this place? We lived here. We rented this unit for about a year in 2022, and then we bought it in May of 2023. And you guys are sports fans? Big time. Yeah, Cowboys. Patriots. But it works. So this is the couple that owns the Airbnb.
31:54 Speaker 02 They seem sweet.
31:55 Speaker 03 They do seem sweet.
31:55 Pablo Torre? Um, they are very sweet. And something that they make clear, which is insane to me, is that they didn't own it for that long before this all happened to them. And as a new host, as you've now learned through her experience with me, she's very friendly. And she offered the same courtesy to Jordon Hudson. As a new host, I tried to make it a point to meet people, and I couldn't meet her right when she arrived. So I came in, I'd come off the golf course, and we were just chatting about different things. And that's when she said that she wanted to know how far Danvers was. And I was like, "Oh, you're getting married, you know, I compete in pageants." And I said, "Well, we're members at the golf course. You should come and play with us.
32:41 Pablo Torre? You know, my friends have clubs, they can lend you..." She said she played, that's not... Yeah, she said she played. And she also said she prefers the men's senior shaft. So I just sort of didn't really think much about that until later.
32:54 Speaker 03 Wait a second! Wait a second! Wait a second, am I Team Jordan? Wait a second!
33:00 Pablo Torre? This is a golf term?
33:01 Speaker 03 I have learned. I mean, a men's senior shaft. Now, may I ask, because I've, I just like to ruin your day. Yeah. This is, at this point, does this woman know, at the point that Jordan is saying that she prefers a men's senior, does she know that her guest with her there is Bill Belichick? I am so glad you asked that question. Yes, finally.
33:24 Pablo Torre? We saw the ring video in the morning, not knowing who this was, but it was an older gentleman with a very young woman who checked in the night before and a car parked where it said no parking was like worrisome to us that this is gonna shut us down. We need to make sure that they know registered guests cannot. She said, ah, she's like, she's with this creepy old guy who's either her relative or a drug dealer. It was her first thing because of the age discrepancy. Remember you go, must be a frigging coke dealer. And I was like, what? Come on. It was crazy. So that was, that was her first reaction. And then I started looking, I'm like, that does look like Belichick.
34:03 Pablo Torre? And then I saw the walk and the haunch he had, because they were doing OTAs, so he had the farmer's can going. Summer's just coming up, yeah, it's probably six o'clock. We were legitimately worried about her because she booked for four nights or something. Five nights. Five nights and she was here that one night with him and we didn't see her again. And we looked in the window like nobody came, like who books and doesn't come? It was a beautiful, the weather was beautiful, like we never saw her once. Yeah, there were no more ring videos of her coming and going. So when it came Saturday evening, it was time to say, hey, hear the checkout instructions. But at first we thought she was like a dancer or an escort. I mean, I was like, she could be frigging dead somewhere. As the week went on, we were thinking that. Because, because she had multiple, like, she said she was a dancer and it was just,
34:48 Pablo Torre? something was off about it, you know, like it just didn't make sense.
34:52 Speaker 03 I think that's fair for those people. That's logical. That's what the gossip in me would do, being like, we had a young girl who mentioned cheerleading, have an older man over and then not show back up. She must wear, like, that's fair. I don't think they're like...
35:05 Pablo Torre? I mean, with that accent, I can only discern this to be the most genuine reaction for a Bostonian Patriots fan to have when, uh, he's not sure, is this man Bill Belichick?
35:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, that sounds like my uncle.
35:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, his detective work also, I really, I really enjoyed him being like, it's the funniest, the OTAs. Like, that's a fan. You know what I mean? That's a real fan.
35:25 Pablo Torre? So this was, as key context is concerned, the second Airbnb guest they ever had.
35:31 Speaker 03 Crazy, the odds of that.
35:32 Pablo Torre? And this was happening, uh, this video was taken on June 28th, 2023, during OTAs, organized team activities in the NFL. And I just need to clarify something because when it comes to how the video originally circulated, how did it get out? This was the original mystery that compelled me to even go, which was like, where did this come from? How did this get out here? Who leaked it? And they wanted to be extraordinarily clear that not only was it not them, they regret not making money off of this because this is what happened.
36:13 Pablo Torre? She showed it to me the next morning and I said, no, come on, don't be foolish. And she had sent it to a girlfriend of hers and the girlfriend right away said, that's definitely him. I don't think we ever really thought of it in that way until we probably saw when someone other than us released the video and then when it was on the Netflix special. And then it came out a few more times. So I, I think it's, it's kind of crazy now to think about, but I... They sent it to some friends and were like, is this Bill Belichick? The favorite coach of the man who co-owns the...
36:53 Pablo Torre? This house and everybody that they sent it to was like, of course it is Bill Balachek.
36:58 Speaker 02 And then that video is on the loose, bro.
37:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, once it's out, it's out.
37:01 Speaker 02 Out.
37:02 Speaker 03 Somebody, do they think one of their friends might have profited off of it?
37:06 Pablo Torre? I think there is a chain of custody beyond which they have zero visibility.
37:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:11 Pablo Torre? And someone, I mean, what other proof I have that this is not them has to do with the fact that some of my sources who tipped me off to the fact that this is an Airbnb outside of Boston. I got sent screenshots of group chats.
37:24 Speaker 03 Whoa.
37:25 Pablo Torre? From before this was released.
37:27 Speaker 03 Okay.
37:27 Pablo Torre? And it's all lots of people in the Boston area just talking about how this thing is about to drop and it's just, and they're not in it for whatever that's worth, but lots of people clearly were like trading this video. Until it made its way out.
37:42 Speaker 03 I'm not in the right whisper circles.
37:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:45 Speaker 03 That's a bummer. It's a blow to the ego to know that I'm not getting included on any of that.
37:50 Speaker 02 I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that.
37:51 Speaker 03 That's all right. Thanks.
37:52 Pablo Torre? Oh, and I should clarify that like a key part of what I'm finding out, by the way, to be very, very clear is that I also don't have any evidence that Jordon Hudson is the one who leaked this.
38:01 Speaker 03 Right.
38:01 Pablo Torre? So like the whole thing of did Jordan release the tape? Was it her house? Did she release the video herself? The thing that she did that was not the greatest, again, OPSEC, as they say in like the Defense Department.
38:14 Speaker 03 Operational security?
38:16 Speaker 02 You got it. You got it.
38:18 Pablo Torre? Is that it didn't seem like Bill Balachek was aware that in fact, in the listing for this Airbnb, it very clearly says there's a Ring cam as he was wandering back and forth loading his car before 6 a.m., which you can tell us when the timestamps.
38:32 Speaker 02 One of the amenities at the Airbnb is we will catch your ass.
38:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
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42:05 Pablo Torre? So I do want to go back to the tweet that I feel like is increasingly accurate that Jordan Hudson retweeted.
42:09 Speaker 03 Oh, you mean, "Good Lord Pablo needs a hobby"?
42:12 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
42:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:13 Pablo Torre? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:14 Speaker 03 I was thinking the same thing.
42:15 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
42:16 Speaker 03 Daddy G.
42:16 Pablo Torre? Because when you go to that tweet on her page and you click on it and you're like, "What is this in response to?" It is a response to this awful announcing article that is aggregating a piece of information that I had in our first episode that we did together. And it said, quote, "Pablo Torre, Jordan Hudson, was around Patriots as early as 2021." That is the response. That is the tweet that led Daddy G to say, "Good Lord Pablo needs a hobby." This is also a bit of information that people have doubted.
42:53 Pablo Torre? I've doubted whether she could possibly have been around the Patriots in 2021. For instance, on Twitter, there's a guy, Jamie McDonald, who said, quote, "Yeah, I don't believe a thing this dude says. Honestly, maybe she was, but if Pablo Torre is the one saying it, I don't believe it." And then he goes on to further disparage my credibility in general.
43:11 Speaker 03 How dare.
43:12 Pablo Torre? The New York Times reported this week, quote, "Miss Hudson has not shared publicly when or how her romantic relationship with Mr. Belichick began in earnest, but by the summer of 2023, she was spending time in Foxborough, Mass., where the Patriots are headquartered," end quote. And so this brings us back to this larger question about what did NFL teams know? What did anybody know about their relationship? Such that the teams that were contemplating interviewing, even hiring Bill Belichick to be their head coach, and possibly more, which again, no one did. This question sort of rests on this timeline of like, so when was she around? When did this relationship start? When was she around NFL buildings? And so I had to figure out, how do I prove what I had been told?
43:53 Pablo Torre? Which is that she was around Gillette Stadium in November 2021. How do I prove this? And so, Michael.
44:01 Speaker 03 Oh, no.
44:02 Pablo Torre? You got papers in front of you.
44:04 Speaker 02 Oh, my God.
44:04 Pablo Torre? And I want you to describe what it is that you are seeing.
44:09 Speaker 02 Okay, I'm looking at a picture of the crowd at Gillette Stadium.
44:12 Speaker 03 Are you [bleep]?
44:13 Pablo Torre? So, there is a there is a thing called a, uh, fan cam.
44:19 Speaker 02 Okay.
44:20 Pablo Torre? That I didn't know about until last week.
44:22 Speaker 03 I know about this.
44:23 Pablo Torre? Okay, you know, and you're familiar?
44:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, so you can, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but a fan cam, you can put in your seat, like your ticket number and your row and everything at a certain game, and it'll show you that section of that game on camera. So you can find yourself as a fan in the crowd at the game that you went to.
44:42 Speaker 02 Going back, like, like you could do this for
44:44 Speaker 03 I don't know. I don't know how far back it goes.
44:45 Pablo Torre? It started, it turns out.
44:46 Speaker 02 He's gonna find, he's gonna tell me.
44:47 Pablo Torre? On December 14th, 2014.
44:49 Speaker 02 Wow, seven years ahead of when we would need it.
44:52 Speaker 03 Huh.
44:52 Pablo Torre? So.
44:52 Speaker 03 Precious.
44:53 Pablo Torre? What I didn't realize is that this was a whole searchable Thing with like high definition cameras everywhere. We could zoom into any part of the stadium.
45:01 Speaker 02 The Panopticon.
45:02 Pablo Torre? It is in fact a Patriots Panopticon.
45:05 Speaker 03 A Pat opti- a whatever. Go ahead.
45:08 Pablo Torre? What I found, uh, after exhaustive searching of the Patriots FanCam database.
45:15 Speaker 03 Good lord, Pablo needs a hobby. Sorry, keep going.
45:18 Pablo Torre? Was the Sunday, November 28th, 2021, when the Tennessee Titans visited the New England Patriots.
45:27 Speaker 02 I don't understand.
45:28 Pablo Torre? So I'd like you to flip to your next.
45:32 Speaker 02 This is like when David Blaine like eats a thing of glass where you're like, what? How did you do that?
45:38 Speaker 03 What's the sleight of hand here?
45:39 Speaker 02 No, you know what I did? I just did it.
45:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:41 Speaker 02 I actually did that thing.
45:42 Speaker 03 I ate the glass.
45:43 Speaker 02 The thing that you're like, no one would do that. I did it.
45:45 Speaker 03 Oh, my God. Stop, Pablo. It's zoomed way in.
45:48 Speaker 02 We are way zoomed in on this FanCam. Is that?
45:52 Speaker 03 Sure is. That is Jordan. This is November, when? 28th?
45:56 Pablo Torre? 28th, 2021. It's the Patriots 36-13 win over the Tennessee Titans. You may recall it as the time Mac Jones threw for 310 yards and two touchdowns. Ramondre Stevenson had 46 yards on the ground. Jacoby Myers, 98 yards receiving. What I learned in my reporting is that Bill Balachek has a row of seats. He has multiple seats outdoors, not merely in his luxury box somewhere, but out right beneath the overhang in Gillette Stadium, which is a pretty good seat, it turns out. Good sightlines also cover from like the elements. And what I had to do was scroll endlessly through Gillette Stadium's FanCams.
46:36 Speaker 02 You're telling me, you're telling me that you just went through it?
46:40 Speaker 03 You knew the section, but not the day?
46:42 Pablo Torre? I knew roughly the month, November. I didn't know exactly the section. And what was a real mother **** for me was that when you start doing this, the first set of photos is from pregame. And so when you go to that, you don't see three people who seem to be sitting together in those seats. You in fact almost contemplate giving up on this episode entirely.
47:09 Speaker 03 Right.
47:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, sure.
47:10 Pablo Torre? I don't see anything, only to realize that in fact there's a time lapse dynamic in which you click forward to like the first. First quarter and suddenly materializing in three empty seats. Are three people that I recognize because a separate bit of photography I had seen before is in fact, a photo of Jordon Hudson at a Patriots game. And that is.
47:37 Speaker 03 The next piece of paper.
47:39 Pablo Torre? Piece. So Jordan had posted this photo on Facebook of her and two people that I don't know. And I did some basic research and may or may not know who they are, but that's largely irrelevant to what we're doing here. And yes, you can clearly see that this is Jordon Hudson, wearing the same outfit in the fan cam video alongside two people who are also wearing the identical outfits.
48:03 Speaker 03 The outfit being a Tom Brady jersey.
48:06 Pablo Torre? And Katie Nolan has observed.
48:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, and it's the same jacket, but the jacket's all pulled up. So you can kind of, you can see her face a little better.
48:13 Speaker 03 Yeah. Tom Brady jersey. I don't know. It's just very frustr- I think the, the main source of frustration for me is this iron curtain that it's always been. Where I've always been like, well, Bill doesn't talk about that stuff. So Bill's on the distract. Like I've, it's the words I've used to defend this, h- h- him being at the helm of my team, that now I feel like he's going like, actually, I'm like this. And it's just like, okay, so you've been covered by a media you refuse to interact with in a, in a way that gives them anything. And now you're kind of spilling out on the sides and it's just, I, I, I'd like to know if you're aware of everything that's going on, Mr. Belichick.
48:51 Pablo Torre? I, I do often think about what New England Bill Belichick would say to North Carolina Bill Belichick. When it comes to the concept of distraction and media strategy and who to trust. Because if nothing else, what we are talking about beyond a story about power, which was the theme of the last episode. It's just a story where you pull at any thread and you will find, in some cases, a literal thread attached to a mattress in an Airbnb in Massachusetts. Or, in the case of Gillette Stadium,
49:34 Pablo Torre? a trail that goes back on camera that is verifiable years earlier. And all I'm saying is, the whole thing about, like, "Don't be a distraction, do your job, we don't talk or worry about the media." We are seeing one character become so opposite
49:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:55 Pablo Torre? that it's been disorienting for everybody involved.
49:58 Speaker 02 I mean, based on my understanding, which is extremely thin compared to the two of you, of how Bill Belichick operated as the coach of the Patriots, Patriots Bill Belichick would fire UNC coach Bill Belichick.
50:14 Speaker 03 It feels like this whole "no distractions, do your job" is like the no parking sign of this Airbnb. It's a thing you say and Bill goes, "Not me, though. They're not talking to me."
50:43 Pablo Torre? So, this is where I do need to reiterate that for all of my reporting here, neither Jordon Hudson, nor Bill Belichick, nor the University of North Carolina has responded to our requests for comment.
50:55 Pablo Torre? And look, yes, this story may have very, very dumb aspects to it. Fully acknowledge that. But it is also the story of the most highly-paid public employee in the state of North Carolina today, who also happens to be the greatest coach in the history of America's most popular sport, as well as the foremost cultural example of what it means to "do your job" and eliminate distraction, as he preached to the greatest and most famous quarterback of all time, who was publicly joking about the video whose mystery we have now solved today.
51:35 Pablo Torre? And so, look, yes, if you think sports are important, I find it hard to not treat this story as worthy of inspection, regardless of the whole age gap dynamic, regardless of the whole "he met her on a plane when she was 19 years old" thing, although I also consider that worth mentioning.
51:55 Pablo Torre? She became the person Bill Belichick empowered to the point where he told North Carolina to CC her on every single email sent to him. She was managing his public image and actual media businesses and the people who diminish her influence, as well as fail to consider the influence this had on NFL hiring processes, clearly didn't talk to the same people that I have now interviewed,
52:18 Pablo Torre? let alone his family and his inner circle and university administrators. But Jordon Hudson and I agree on two things, at the very least. Number one, I really do need a new hobby. I've spent way too much time reporting, fact-checking. For instance, this week, The New York Times reported that Jordon Hudson has told at least one person that she and Bill Belichick are now engaged to be married. What I can tell you is that as recently as March, Belichick told a friend who directly asked him about this that they are not engaged, and if they are, mazel tov.
53:04 Pablo Torre? But the second thing that Jordon Hudson and I absolutely agree on brings me back to Winthrop, Massachusetts.
53:12 Speaker 06 Wasn't Attucket, wasn't Cohasset.
53:15 Pablo Torre? Wasn't Hull.
53:16 Speaker 06 Wasn't Hull.
53:17 Pablo Torre? It was Winthrop, Massachusetts.
53:20 Pablo Torre? This little town right outside of Boston.
53:23 Speaker 06 By the sea.
53:23 Pablo Torre? Yeah.
53:26 Pablo Torre? And so what I needed to do here at the end was leave a review of my own.
53:34 Pablo Torre? It is pretty amazing that this apartment is just 22 minutes outside of Boston.
53:40 Pablo Torre? It has an in-unit washer and dryer,
53:44 Pablo Torre? a dining area slash workspace, excellent water pressure, by the way,
53:51 Pablo Torre? a relatively new smart television,
53:55 Pablo Torre? a full-size bed with freshly changed sheets, and this sheer curtain,
54:03 Pablo Torre? which provides some privacy, but not quite as much as you'd think.
54:12 Pablo Torre? Five stars.
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